Jesse Lingard Reveals The Problem With Man United Today & Why He Moved To Nottingham Forest | E214

what was going through my head at that. time I do not know I was drinking just. trying to take the pain away. it's tough man. [Music]. so that's a fantastic. hey that's football we'll call it man. united obviously it's all big and you. can have that control over you what. people have a voice Jesse he asked if we. could give him a couple of days off when.

things are getting said about you that. it's not true he's gonna voice your. opinion I knew I needed to leave. do you have a suspicion why you won't. pick. um. you do don't you can see it in your face. so this is the whole thing what happened. is there a day that you look back on and. you go that was the hardest day. getting that much abuse and I'm already. down enough and I've got to perform I. was still trying to be Jesse like hey. like about no jokes on that but of. course it's gonna affect me.

it's not done much at all this season. I've already gone through things when. you don't know about I felt like in the. world on my shoulders in 2019 your. mother was admitted Hospital. just kind of really cope anymore. did you ever figure out what the root. cause of your mother's Depression was. I think as soon as had me to be honest. [Music]. thank you for tuning in to watch this. episode honestly an incredible episode.

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early years as you signed and joined. Manchester United I think at seven years. old what was life like if I'd been in. your home if I'd been in your. surroundings in your environment what. was life like. um. life was good obviously Mormon does. split up. an early age especially when I was born. which can make things a lot difficult. um but I still had the the desire the. hunger. so going training we're going to taught. me in training you know week and week.

out you know our trials are Everton City. Liverpool so I'm going to be driving up. and down the motorway. constantly. um. you know to support me and and take me. to training and games and then. obviously made a decision to sign up for. United at nine years old you know we had. a you know great team. um no one likes a Pogba. um Ravel in the team so we had a we had. a great team on. um I think outside of that obviously I'm.

almost very supportive but that was very. supportive it was you know football mod. you know so I think that support system. especially at an early age is important. did everybody in your circle around you. have high hopes for your. for your career when you were that age. about 10 12 13 did they think you were. going to be a professional football. player oh my grandmother did your. granddad did yeah he. I mean was on their surf pretty much. every day. practicing skills learning new things. um and he had the the belief that would.

be a footballer and you know if it. wasn't for him then you know it wouldn't. be in this situation I mean because he. took time out of his day to take me. enough to you know practice my brother. will come down but that will come down. you know we play One Touch. two top football you know pretty much on. a regular basis and that's my happy. place that's where I'm most happy on a. football pitch and like I say my grandma. was you know very important. you know part of me. into Liverpool into City into United on.

Trials because you know people. recognized you know their talent but he. was there to push me I I was watching. the documentary and I saw. um. a Granddad who looked. it's rare to see I mean you one might. expect a dad or a mother to be that. pushy and direct and critical but to see. a grandad being that Savage with you at. times was quite surprising can you give. me a flip for anybody that hasn't seen.

it can you give me a flavor of how. how um. tough he was at times. well he got he got he got banned a. couple of times. like when I say we're 12 years old or. playing stalk away. and he's come on the pitch after the. game and said you're not fit to wear a. shirt. so you're not fit to wear a shirt not. even if it's wearing a shirt. I'm thinking like the cop was just. looking at me I'm like I can't do. nothing he had me on weights at 10 years. old like lifting weights went into to.

man united and said to won the coach's. tiny wheel at the time he said like you. know I want to get my grandson into it. because it obviously is a it was a power. lifter for a great burn right so you. know he wanted me on the way it's an. early early age to try and build a bit. of muscle because you know I was always. small he kind of drove that from you. know being a power lifter you know for. Great Britain. kind of pass it on to me and Mum was a. gymnast it's always kind of tough on her. as well mum took it.

the wrong way. um because obviously she's got to be a. gymnast but we're gonna be so hard on. her that you know eventually she you. know she quit on that. um but even with me you know some games. I'd you know not play the best and. you know you get in the car on the way. home and you know I'll tell you that. look oh my toe was sore today like let's. try and make excuses because he saw like. hard on me but he was trying to push. like it come from a good place I'm. saying. so the reason why your mother quit. gymnastics was because he was so hard I.

know yeah he was so so tough on her. um and obviously she didn't have really. the motivation to carry on. probably she went strong enough to to. carry on that but you know for me I I. was new to be a footballer so. you know have him you know my granddad. you know my Dad my mom around me at the. time you know trying to push me and it. was difficult even earlier stages. because you know I was living. literally five minutes but you know like.

I said my mum couldn't. really cool with me at the time. um and I suppose back and forth from. another one that's a lot. and then like I say I see you driving. from up and down the motorway Liverpool. straight back to Manchester now I would. train at Liverpool for one day have a. game for United the next day so you know. he put the he put the yardage in you. know to get me well or what to eat today. you said you said that your mother. couldn't really cope with you at the. time what do you mean by that.

it's depression. um. should be in bed all day. well most days. um. you know go in ask some money for the. ice cream. like still be in bed. so me I was I was happy to go lucky I. I'm bubbly like what's going to play out. with play football my friends. but and you don't understand. you know the situation that you know. your movies in at the time was so young. so I didn't really understand what was. going on.

um until obviously it got it got brought. to light you know. Maybe. let's say. about 16 17 you can kind of understand. like what she's going through and and. things like well she'll never talk about. it I should always part it up so your. mother was. suffering from depression even when you. were very very young yeah but at that. time you just didn't realize what it was. no you didn't know it was did she know. what it was.

I think she I think she knew yeah but. she would never. at that time would have really a support. system to support her [ __ ] I've really. people around her that you know she'll. go to like she can go to my PA now and. you know go to the doctors and you know. show us all out but at that time. obviously I think she knew what it was. but. she couldn't really caught with it she. can't really didn't know I had to deal. with certain things. um. and you know for me almost okay so I. always play out of fun play football but.

for her. she's supposed to go be in bed like all. day she would she could drop me off at. school well she should go off at school. uh eight o'clock in the morning and then. sleep until three o'clock until she bits. me up. that's how bad it was. like she was we were really going for it. so she'd sleep all night wake up to drop. you to school and then go back to bed. yeah she sleep in the daytime. pick me up from school.

probably go back to bed again just lay. in bed like cutting a short dark room. everything. and then. obviously you know buff me whatever go. before I go to bed and then she'll sleep. all night. over the last 10 years or so people have. become more aware of what like. depression and mental health is and this. is kind of why I ask if your mother knew. what it was because like 10 years ago if. I'm being completely honest there was a. real stigma around mental health it was. kind of seen as someone just kind of. being a bit crazy and over the last 10. years thankfully we've gotten to a point. where we have a better understanding.

that we have physical and mental health. and this is why I say like did your. mother know what it was did she just. think she was just. sad or she didn't have motivation or did. she know she was depressed. yeah I think it was a pull in the. motivation part I just couldn't get out. of bed she's got motivate yourself to. get our bed. even when I woke up. I was dying for it to be there. and I think she came for the. quarterfinals. and that just made me so happy because. in that situation.

you know not getting out of bed not. having a motivation but she find that. motivation to come and see her someplace. at World Cup. that was like I was I told her like I. was really part of her I was it's Brave. what he did because. you know every day in bed depressed no. motivation and just to find that little. bit of motivation just to come and see. you know a son that'll work up and don't. forget she's got you know I've got my. little sister and little brother as well. so. you know she's got to deal with them as.

well. um which is always tough but like I say. to find that motivation to come and see. me at work what was. important for me especially because I. wanted to I want to live there anyway. regardless and I didn't even know she. was coming until I was in the lineup. singing national anthem for Messina. you've seen him really I know just give. me a Goosebumps straight away that was. so emotional after that and I wanted to. perform at the highest level and win the. game just for a I think there's a. there's a video on on my Instagram of me.

hugging her for like. two three minutes I've seen it and it's. there's some things I can that can make. you happier you know as a person but. just to be there and get up and get. changed and get dressed. and have that motivation so not a World. Cup that's what made me happy. this is a bit of a difficult question. because it's not always obvious but did. you. did you ever figure out where. or what the root cause of your mother's. Depression was.

um. not really no I think. I think as soon as she had me to be. honest I think it was just difficult for. her to. love and a child. um. you know took over most of the time but. you know she was still there she was. still a mother but. just hard for us to do over and. you know we had certain instances where. you know we would be in Ben should we. like trying to stretch my legs and that.

like I'm like what's happening I didn't. know what was going on I didn't know she. had depression at the time also I was. such a young age. um but for it was just normal like. normal for her and she's like you know. stretching my life you got training. tomorrow and I'm like. oh what's going on like I didn't realize. what was going on so I shot them like. phases where you know should do. um. you know some. extraordinary you know stuff stretching. your legs I'm confused yeah it's like.

like stretching my brains out like. before like we went to sleep. just like it was strange for me because. I knew I trained next day but. if I heard I was probably not like. natural normal. so I mean like I still don't still don't. resonate with me today I'm probably not. resonate with her today of what was. going through ahead at the time like. especially when I was born. like Gucci handle that situation of. having a kid so you're saying basically. before you would go to sleep she was.

stretching your legs in a way that. didn't make sense like as in yeah I was. like I just want to go to sleep right. why well another question like I'm. another question but she was too like. astronomy stuff. and this lasted this has lasted up until. today since as young as you can remember. till till today. yeah. and I think she's just a lot she'll. still always have depression. but she can cope with it now she can. handle it because I've said we've got. the right support system around.

but still it's. like I say I've got my little brother. and sister who she looked after and you. know what. just come on mum's come on lease some. bones to be honest. especially from like even a documentary. she was nervous to do that like she was. crying in the car like the director. sport tour I said you're going to be. involved in it she's crying like the. nervous she's caught with it. but you know she's found a courage final. motivation you know to do it and.

that's still a big thing even though. she's going through what she's going. through. but like I say we can we can handle you. know certain situations now. emotions you said about bottling up your. emotions and generally you know. I think men in particular have a real. problem with kind of expressing their. emotions for various reasons because. we're you know we're Macho and masculine. and whatever else but. um did you learn at a young age at all. how to express your emotions did you see. did you have models in your life where. people were emotionally expressive.

no. only with. only mum I'm an underground nod I would. always say love you like how are you. okay. but like that side. right not not much. like rally hog. more of a you know fist pump but you. know sometimes you want to see that. that love inside especially from you. know our father. and you know me becoming a five result. that's all I want to do with with hope.

you know Express you know what emotions. or. um so I mainly got it from like my mum's. side Granddad none mainly. like say. I think it does come into a realization. where. you know we've seen a documentary and. you know as far as what's the point in. you know it's a short life what's the. point in. in arguing all the time because my mom. and dad never seen eye to eye so. I can understand from my mom's. perspective where.

you know she don't want to see him but I. mean that's come to our realization. where it's like look. let's go together let's have a coffee. let's sit down you know documentary. really you know walking up and and. realize Life's too short to you know. because it becoming games and. my mom it'd be asking like this is your. window box so he's in the Box are you. using the box and I'm like my mum but. I'll I'll sit in the stands and and I. know it shouldn't be like that but you. know that's how it is but he wants that.

you know to give in us again but I can. never see what I'm doing it. I never see them giving him time of days. to be honest. has your mom been able to find a new. partner since. she picks. yeah she picks um. not the best people to be honest. um she puts a lot on us this. but. she kind of fries off that for some. reason like the bad boys.

and. you know the situation that we're in. you know you can't be. coming out with these guys and doing. what you're doing with these guys. because you know it comes back to me. they've had a lot of drama. with. most of them to be honest and. the last guy. hung himself. which is.

it was deep. um. but it. you know what narcissists are like like. one minute you'll be given to the world. and then next to be like who you with. like he texting blah blah. I'm I'm speaking I'm like Mom these guys. are not good for you like they're not. good for you but some. somehow she thrives off them situations. and gets a buzz off it and becomes happy.

so. I was in a situation where it's like. do you want me to be happy. um being with these guys or. you know bring her back down to earth. so it's a difficult situation but. like I say yeah the guy you know hung. himself in the end. um. and then. I think after that my mom realized. um you know she can't be you know dating. these people.

it's difficult I completely relate to. what I can completely understand. not that I've had that lived experience. but I can understand what you're saying. with this conflict of I want her to be. with someone but if it's a bad option. would I rather her just be alone and. then you know. I was thinking as you were saying that. about many of my friends who have been. going through difficult situations with. their mental health and what ends up. happening because there might be a gap. somewhere or something missing or. something not quite stable with you you.

end up attracting someone like a mirror. who is also a little bit. unstable or who isn't in the best place. and you're kind of are toxic together in. a way. and often I think with some of my. friends it's like you just need to work. on yourself first before you yeah you. try and find someone who you know. because a lot of the time we end up. trying to look for someone that will fix. us yeah which is never a good thing I. think that's what she she did. someone to. because you know she's not she's got.

friends but she doesn't she don't go out. with her friends and you know be social. so. I feel like her having you know someone. uh. you know she could go to his house she. could do things with him she could be. happier. but on the other side it's like. that's they're not good for you at all. you know to bring they kind of bring you. down in a way manipulators and. manipulating and they're well aware of. you should believe it right she believed. like. like would I don't know would go. probably would go somewhere like me my.

mom Daisy and maybe travel something or. something like that the guy was texting. like where are you like what are you. doing who you with all right what's your. family no you're not no you're not no. you're not yeah and it's like. I don't know my mom's like dealing with. this and I'm like how can you deal with. that. I'm thinking how can you deal with this. and let's block him. but she just like she loves the. attention she loves it narcissists. Target people like that that they can. control in such a way be coercive and. manipulate and sort of take advantage of.

their self-esteem and stuff that's what. narcissists do because an individual. like that a narcissist like that would. never. be successful in coercion and. manipulation of. um someone who would go what the [ __ ]. are you texting me when I'm with my. phone the [ __ ] do you think they. wouldn't they wouldn't survive there so. they find that they find their way to. people who they can easy targets yeah. exactly his Target. if I say like looks leave him she's like. yeah yeah I'll block him block him look.

she'll unblock him the next day. tough man. it's difficult it's hard. it's difficult. difficult difficult thing. um off you go into to Manchester United. um when did you when did you get in your. view your first real break in Manchester. um. Apollo and Jose are coming really yeah I. mean not in the South it's relaxed. Ferguson. I'll make it when I'm 23. I'm 23 24. so.

you know I always believed enemy always. believed in me. um I think when they were always coming. I went ready to play first team football. yet. and then I think. especially on the van Gogh. um. you know gave me the confidence to play. but. still it was difficult because. you know I was at a stage where. played the first game on the van Gogh.

the money six months out. January came. went online to Derby. and then the season after that was that. kind of make our break. so I left it till. October. time. and if I weren't playing then then I. knew I needed to leave. and then. he played me at CSK Moscow way Champs. League. like starting what's up okay.

freezing cold minus five whatever it was. really was like don't wear gloves. like what is that don't wear gloves. that's okay. I don't wear gloves played well. and after that stayed in the team so. it's kind of a that's kind of a make-up. break time for me why is that comment. don't wear gloves significant. to you. because.

you know especially at United we're. brought up. go wear black boots. no gloves. no long bombs in training just like the. basic things we brought up with that so. when you go into the first team of. course in the warm-up you don't want to. wear clothes. but for the game you know Back to Basics. how we grew up. don't wear gloves in the game. it's about values right it says values. you know it's morals it's the way you've. been brought up you know United.

put that into us an early age. a lot of that comes from Sir Alex. Ferguson right I'm super you know I've. sat here with a bunch of extra Alex. Ferguson players Rio Gary Patrice. how would you describe the um the. culture at Manchester United during that. Sir Alex Ferguson period what was the. culture like. it was good yeah always but a real. scoozy gigsy. um you're not always but not even on. tour. um you know it's good to go on tour of. them and you know I think.

you know real being real always was. there for advice I always had to speak. to. um you know on a regular basis like. Muslim schools are the same. um were they honest and critical as well. though are they tough. some of those senior Lads. um. yeah because the winners. and you know they've been there and done. that and you know did one trophies. before and. you know it was unfortunate that I went. in you know any of the teams that you. know won the Prem or are Champs league.

but you know even on tour it was you. know you still win games and. you know going on tour with them. especially with you know so Alex was you. know an amazing feeling remember being. on a bench me and Pogba got called up. for. it's about to manage against Newcastle. you'll not knowing if I'm gonna play or. not but still just to be there and see. how you know they are in a change of. room and you know see that winning. mentality and. I think being at United is all you know. it's. been installing you from a young age you.

know winning is important talk about how. you win. just win and I think they've been so. successful in over the years. um you know winning trophies. just by having that winning mentality. celex Ferguson leaves. now it's funny because I'm a Manchester. United fan I'm a big fan and I've had. season tickets over the years and. um go to most of the games at home still. today. and it and from what I've heard it went. from being like a like a family.

to. being run by Ed Woodward and it feeling. less like a family like one of the. comments one of the waitresses meant. said to me was you know when Sir Alex. Ferguson and David Gil were here they. would come in here and like chat to us. and they knew all of our names every. single one of our names and then when. Silas Ferguson left one of them said to. me they don't beat it they don't speak. to us anymore it's different I. so Alex was like month a month. like. when we're training with the first year.

bring us all right 16 17 train with the. first team like they give you that. confidence know your names know all like. from probably. under tens. to the first team it's not everyone's. name. you take this time out to understand you. as a person or saying your family. and like I say you know things change. [Music]. um. you know but with him. you know it was good that you know if. you could understand the family side get. to know your family a bit more.

um you know understand you as a person. you'll see a progression like I say you. said 23 34 you'll be in the first team. you know to head up you know you can. kind of get a big eagle but you know for. me it was nothing's guaranteed anyway. so I'm just gonna work my ass off 10. times you know more you know so being. that first team. Rio said to me that when his granddad. was Ill Sir Alex Ferguson not only knew. but he knew what um Rio's Grandad's. favorite whiskey was flowers were and he.

sent it to the hospital bed before. anybody else he got it there so Rio said. to me whenever I've asked the senior. players why stuff was so good they all. said they would all just before you even. get the words out they'd say man. management that's what you said though. and I think I think even this day and. age now. I feel like it's important. even with Josie Josie used to FaceTime. me like randomly. a couple times I'll be driving and be. FaceTiming me I'm like where are you. where you kid. I'm just driving home within salvages.

where's Marcus. I don't know everything is at home okay. enjoy. just little things I little calls here. on there even you know Steve Cooper not. gonna ring me let's have conversations. wanting to understand you a little bit. more very soon so I think I feel like. it's so important why. because it shows that they care it shows. and when they care you care back yeah. right okay it works yeah like I'll. understand you a little bit more than. you know as a person not just as a.

person like how are you like how you. operate. not in football I want no outside of. football as well. same with the lads like one way outside. of football I get to know your families. and I think. well I learned that from was England. we've got a soft gate. money management top. got to the 2018 World Cup got to the. rooms. see a picture of them me and my mum.

see a picture. me and Marcus. right home. so when you got to your room at Camp. yeah. in the hotel. like I thought I was at home. he really has got the best out of. England in my in my lifetime in the 30. odd years that I've lived I've never. seen an England side that looks so happy. and cohesive and honestly ego free. um and then it's showing in the in the. tournaments we're playing we have hope. like I was I was out in Katana I was in.

the stadium for the England France game. and even though we lost it I walked away. happy because we're playing great and. we're challenging what's he done in your. view. um to that England side to to create. that atmosphere in that culture. I don't think he understands. you know others players I think. when he first came in he was the first. person to give him a debut of England. I played with him on the 21s you know on. the studies values and and the way he.

did things. and then you know coming into you know. the senior team you know give him a. debut what are his values New View. um. I mean he cares about the players a lot. and. like I say he wants to understand you. know the player. um. you know so for me you know being from. it on a 21 level and obviously being. with a senior team. you know this this trust already there.

anyway. but. you know it takes a lot to trust a. person and. you know for someone new coming into the. team. um. you know we still understands the person. and like I say he wants that trust and. the trust back on. you know you can speak about anything. not just football it's about anything. and you know we'll understand and I'll. ask about oh how's your mum how's your. dad this little things go a long way and. I think you know the money management.

side of it. is is very important especially. tournaments anyway. but. you know the group was a collective you. know understand is his values and the. way he does things. um you know so people knew coming to. come you know it's easy selling shall we. because it'll pull you straight away and. like speak to you and set you down and. you know talk just talk and that's it. and I think it's so important what is. you know a lot of managers are known for. you know sir Alex Ferguson's one of the.

trademarks of his style is the hairdryer. I know that's kind of like over gas by. the media and stuff because you hear. what. um a caring man he was but when you. think about Southgate style compared to. these other managers you've had like van. Gala Mourinho and all and Moyes Etc. what's his style South Gates. it's different but it's still got the. the hair dryer I don't know really yeah. yeah it surprises a lot of people. but.

you need that though because. you know our manager is you know nice. and unless you you know get away with a. lot of things here and there like he's. he's on it I will tell you if you're in. the wrong way or not. I don't know what what player you are. who you are it'll tell you something. wrong or not. but. you know another hand is still. he still wants to create that good vibe. you know with a team and. you know he'll shot one. you know it's needed but most of the.

time it's just you know simple you can. speak to him you know we'll speak to the. group. um you know simple words. you know enjoy the game with you know. we've been here before. go out go out win the game you know have. fun do the tactics all in the week but. you know it's not something like that. you know he's a good guy as well. I think you know it goes a long way. especially you know with England team. quick one as some of you know Intel are.

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show. um before we'd released one episode. which is a remarkable thing and he gave. me a huge amount of self-belief in. myself so thank you Julian Hearn for. that but also thank you huel for. creating a product that has helped me. and help my health stay intact in my. busiest days over the last couple of. years. why did Manchester United not reach the. levels on the pitch during that era. because when I look at the players that. we had I mean [ __ ] hell we signed. some unbelievable players it's not. people often criticize the glazes for.

lots of reasons but when you think about. the money spent on players on the pitch. we spent the money yeah it's like Oh Mr. Billy I think it's almost a billion. billion billion we spent in players in. that period yet we couldn't we couldn't. seem to win we couldn't seem to get that. cohesion right through that sort of van. Gaal Mourinho era and even the David. moyzera. um what's your assessment on why that is. like what why wasn't it. I think it didn't click of course it won. you know with Vanguard when the FA Cup. when we know Europa League.

Cowboy cop. could these these world-class players. are coming to United and I'll be honest. they're looking average. so they would come from a club where. they were banging and me and my friends. we celebrate our Manchester United chat. we're like here we go Lads every year. and then it's like they'll become half. the player. it's strange because a lot of players. have come in unveiled. like I say oh. you know relaxing training. top. like this this is.

quality training quality. when it comes to a game this thing clip. for some reason not on. is it pressure. you know when I was playing especially. with Roman. you know Alexis we decided to enjoy. football and of course it's gonna be. hard to win a premise if you know been. so dominant for for many years but even. to win Europa League you know carabao. cup Community Shield. like we're winning trophies but. I think when.

Jose left and trophy stopped. that's difficult. another new manager. it's kind of like you. you have to like kind of prove yourself. over and over again. it's kind of like you know. false like fake promises really I think. that's what the heart of it yeah like. you know you get I I you're doing more. like you know you're playing this game. not playing during the time under social.

yeah because I've played at first and. then obviously when when all first came. in you know unbelievable you were all in. out of control that's what I'm saying. yeah and then. I said to me before the season you know. if I don't play. x amount I gained before December and we. let me go alone in January he said yeah. so then play and generally come West Ham. came in and install people wolves you. know debating you know is he fair enough. is he ready to to go into a team like.

that and start straight away that nearly. didn't happen did it it was off and on. and off and on. honestly. I literally with my brother. watching Skies what's news. Dave always on the phone I'm like yeah. I'm coming I'm there like you want me. down there. edible Rings no you're not going there. it's off it's done. it's crying I was crying. me and bro just crying I was like to do. is play football. it was.

all right it's back on now yeah. I do is play football let me let me just. go and play football please. as soon as I got there hit the ground. running. that's probably one of my best seasons. to be honest. like I think nine goes five assists in. from like February to May. I still didn't go Euros after that. and that was a main integral Euros how. did that feel when you found out that. you won't go in after having one it. probably arguably your best ever year in.

football before at West Ham when you. were you know widely considered to be. the most informed player in the league. how did it feel. it's heartbroken because. you know. growing up I was what I do represent my. country. and play for England. and. to not play. the first half of the season.

than to go to West Ham. on the phone I was in there quite easy. took it into into the orals but. didn't pick me like I say weren't strong. enough to probably say. look why I'm not picked well that's. helped probably yeah what do you think. yeah like. what what I could have done to get into. this yeah should I score 10 11 12 goals.

I don't know do you have a suspicion why. you weren't picked. um you do don't you I can see it in your. face no because. I could see that smirk you do I don't. know because. I was thinking of. form. how how can I not be picked do you think. it could be something else. because your form you can't argue with. it can't argue for him. off the pitch.

off the picture was sweet I was in a. good mental space so I don't know what. it could have been then. this is what I'm saying who knows and. maybe. one day we'll probably get. you know the reason. but to this day. not sure why. in 2019 as as shown in the documentary. your mother was admitted Hospital. what was what was. what was the cause of that.

of that happening what was the lead-up. of events that sent her to hospital. just a depression it was just so bad. that. she couldn't really cope anymore and. I think she needed to go away and get. help. but. then leaving me with. my little sister who was probably 11 at. the time and. you know my little brother who's. probably like 15 at the time. for me I was still going through my own. things as well.

so. I went really the the big bro that they. wanted at the time. because they always get like. the phone The Laffy Jesse the bubbly. Jesse. by that time I was going for my own. stuff anyway so I was just autopilot. your mum's in hospital you've got two uh. younger siblings that you're now primary. carer of and how are things going on the. pitch you're saying that you just. weren't present on Pitch. swear now like. mentally.

went there. like I'd be on a pitch but. still my mini pitch really yeah I don't. want to play I Don't Wanna I don't want. to quit football. I've never quit football but. I would have needed a break if a lot. down income wouldn't need a break 100. and is this in this is an old first year. or second year. yeah it's like the second year on. almost gone into games I. smile bluntness. it's not up here it's just like I didn't.

want to be an ass but it's all. of course I'm gonna play about and then. you're getting abuse. that was kind of what tips it over to be. honest. after the Derby game what happened. so we won. but you know as soon as you get on the. bus it's no Jesse [ __ ]. blah blah like why are you playing froze. blah blah. and. she fell at Luke shot back to be honest. he came down off the bus and I started. shouting I'm arguing whatever but don't.

be friends or United fans but. like I'm human I mean of course it's. gone off at me like I'm already down. enough anyway. I'm already going through things what. you don't know about. and I've got to perform on a weekly. basis. and when you're performing you're not. performing it 100. so of course it's going to be critics. and you know you're not playing that. well. to be abused like that.

it's kind of what kind of what tips with. her. that was like I was like no I can't this. is I can't be asked anymore. like I need I need a break I need to. find something some motivation some fire. in my belly again. to get going again because you know I. can't can't be doing this I. might be another game next week and I'll. be like Oh I'm like just can't be. awesome I can't I don't want to play. just during that time that time period. of everything what was going on mum look.

after my little brother and sister when. I I felt like underwear on my shoulders. there's this really kind of like moving. haunting part in the documentary where. I think you broke your older brother has. Louis had videoed you lying on the sofa. completely yeah still your eyes are like. blank that's how it was. like. even at training like just masking it. just. my skin you know the depression side of. things. the anxiety.

like I was still trying to be Jesse like. yeah a bunch of jokes or not but. you know it comes to a point where. you actually need to say something. because I felt like. the world was on my shoulders and. had no one sent to like can't speak to. anyone about anything I didn't want to. speak to another I thought you know what. I can deal with this I can handle this. I'm good enough to deal with this but. come to a point where. it's like look Ollie.

this is what's going on. we kind of kept it. in all close-knit to be honest but even. just to have like Ollie say like you. know how's your mom how is she doing. like I could have a conversation with. him kind of a conversation with a kind. of conversation with liaison woman and. that has helped a little bit more. just having done a conversation and. letting people understand like what I'm. going through. and then I think I did it I did a piece. for the paper. um you know talking about and. I still don't think people really fully.

understood you know what was going on. until until like like I said documentary. came out. in order for you to. um. be able to have those conversations with. the people you first had to make the. decision to like for you to talk about. how you're feeling because once you open. up then they can give you that support. you talked about how it's difficult to. do that when you're a young man did you. realize in that moment that you were. suffering with depression could you see. see yourself and your mother. oh yeah probably yeah. I think the video sums up the woman want.

to solve for I'm actually Layla for like. three minutes. just staring to finish I don't know what. I was thinking don't know what's going. for my head at the time but I could say. like I was I was I was drinking. something like that like before bed like. having nightcaping like it's not about. nothing. I'm not doing that far. all right what I need is something. just trying to take the pain away. and like put me at ease somehow I'm like. trying to forget what's going on but it. makes 10 times worse.

do you feel the online criticism do you. are you exposed to it. no don't read it you don't read it no. have you ever gone on Twitter and looked. at what people are saying no I think. that's the worst thing anyone can do. some players must do that though right. players do it yeah but I don't know why. because. see if I'm strong enough to handle it. now yeah I. I'm showing a tangled negative comments.

criticism whatever. concentrating football there's no point. going in Search and Phil yeah in a sewer. yeah there's no point why search for it. because I'm thinking about like you know. we talked a lot recently about players. like Harry MaGuire being on the. receiving end of a lot of criticism and. stick. in My Views most of it's completely. unjust. um but. I've always wondered if players actually. feel that criticism and it impacts their. game. yeah I think so can you see that when. you're in the dressing room if you know. a place like been slammed in the press.

or online or whatever can you see. them drop like their head drop a little. bit and then yeah they probably try and. mask it a little bit yeah. just to like be strong like I can't. handle it but. something like we are human. of course criticism is going to affect. us especially when you know the pundits. are saying it and it's. especially them you know with a pundit. saying it more than you know a comment. on Instagram or. [Music]. um.

or any social media because it gets. highlighted more you know when the Press. with. um you know a pundit saying that's all. of course you're gonna see it or. someone's gonna send it here. but then it's kind of masking it trying. to be strong. and then you gotta go and perform but. I think the majority of players you know. in this day and age are strong enough to. know what anyone says anymore. you you did perform when you went to. West Ham you really really performed as. we've discussed. um I think a lot of people were.

expecting you to stay there because you. performed so well and it just seemed. like you finally found your your groove. consistent you scored the goals you've. got the assists. what was your thinking at that point. when that loan comes to an end did you. want to stay at West Ham you wanted to. stay yeah Manchester United when did you. come back. yeah so I had a year. yeah I went into my final year after. that then. and I still wanted to go on I wanted to. go online and. John because I weren't playing again.

so. Newcastle was on the cards in June deal. with donor FM. obviously the United Squad weren't big. enough. so let a couple players got online. and then when it comes to me. John irungu was like no like you're not. going alone. I was like um. well he's gonna know he's got let me. score an enjoy if I'm not playing there. so let me just go online all right let. me play football to Newcastle yeah.

and um. [Music]. he's like what do you want days off I. was like no that's what I'm gonna play. football all right would you want days. off yeah so this is the whole thing what. happened. so then. to stop the loan obviously I was pissed. um. and then when he said about the days off. or not. I messaged him I was like you know what. I'm gonna take two days off now. just because you said that. so then they put out. um Jesse's last for two days off in the.

media what went on Twitter straight away. no I didn't ask for two days off. he asked me the open days I was put I'll. put it out there the facts. how how what was the dressing room like. at that point you know when because a. lot of players would obviously when all. Ronaldo comes in obviously all. eventually ends up getting fired et. cetera Etc. um. it did feel like you know they use this. phrase or the managers lost the dressing. room or there's from a fan looking in. you could just see that there was.

something wrong with the culture at the. club players would come in there that. were world-class as we said earlier. world-class else were coming they were. becoming [ __ ] average players you. know you've got all of these these. rumors leaking you've got all of this. stuff happening players at the club. feeling like their trust has been broken. like you said you've been lied to a few. times it just felt like some there was. no someone didn't have control of the. place no it won't there's no control I. don't think like you say when Sir Alex. was there it was full control like a. fortress yeah. Fortress everything goes for him.

contracts everything like commercials. like everything. of course Generations change. players grow up people have a voice what. like you say when. things are getting said about you that's. not true. you're gonna voice your opinion like say. what happened back in the day it'd be. squashed there and then with Sir Alex. but like you say no. people have got platforms to to voice. their own opinion and write what they. want do you think players have lost lost. respect not in this sort of um Eric Tana.

gear but just in that period that. followed through these managers and the. Soul share if you think players from. what you'd seen had kind of lost respect. for the club. probably uh it looked like that yeah. probably it looked like this wasn't. there. the same control you know control right. there's no there's no structure there's. no there's no balance for people doing. what they want pretty much on it it's. like a free throw. yeah it's just a free throw I mean. like you say.

people saying something like. that's never happened ever. at United. people are sending stuff onto a run I. think up in the parliament as well. like you've got a lot of scrutiny all. right guys one of the best midfielders. in the world like. I've known him since like 16. like she kids Got Talent one like he's. one of the best midfielders in the world. and still he can't perform at United.

so there's something wrong. in some way. you got one of the best midfielders in. the world you can't perform and then. during the season when you're in. National Grid and he goes to France. let me see how he plays the fronts. it's like. yeah guy's sick. let me come back like. Alexis or not I told you. I don't know what it is I don't know. what I can't say what it is I don't know. what it is. I enjoyed my time on the draws either. like I'd want one of my best seasonal.

drills later I was gonna I'm gonna say. that of all these managers van Hal you. know Mourinho oh in the in movies in a. post solex folk scenario when did it. most feel like there was control and. that United was starting to be more like. United. um probably Vanguard to be honest really. yeah. a. yellow structure. like everyone understood what he wanted. like some people didn't like I love Van. Gogh. um very tactical knew I wanted to play.

and everyone bought into that. and then of course Josie. best manager in the world just wants to. win. but like you say had that mind. management as well and had the belief in. me and the trusting me to perform. if you could waive a one then if I give. you one then I said okay. in that all era in that post Alex. Ferguson era do one thing.

to fix. the club's issues what would you have. done with that one. wish have been you know what it is I. think uh the saw behind. on like with everything. like. you see like six facilities see. tottenham's facilities when we go there. a lot of England and that one between. left on them. like people on Mars head. even like like the social side of things. and I went to him like tivan so eating. about like YouTube and let's do like.

content. now they're so behind on everything. I just want him to just get up to date. on like the new things are happening. like the things that are popping what. does that matter. you gotta be relevant you gotta stay. relevant but in terms of like the. training ground it obviously Ronaldo and. appears Morgan interview talks about the. jacuzzi and the the chefs and the food. and the facilities and the weights. training equipment and he left years ago. yeah he says he came back and it was all. the same yeah. how does what impact does that have when. you as a player.

you want the best things you want. especially like you know it's one of the. biggest clubs in the world so you know. you want the best for the best and. you know of course you want the best. food on. um you know you want a swimming pool and. the jacuzzi in this island which is it's. still there but. you know it's like. um modern like. modernized because. like you see like you know cities. facilities or not.

and like you think like I'm like. black girl today like catch up a little. bit like because like you're way behind. at the moment. is it is a symbolic thing like as in. it's just a it's kind of a symbol that. you're not keeping up with the other. clubs you're not investing in the in the. small stuff which as a player you go. well then. well we're also behind on the pitch and. we're just behind just down in general. because. like back in the day we have like tables. on a table and like. um like pool and everything.

so like you like mentally you know happy. and you know with a dart ball and stuff. like but. nothing. and like just just go in you train and. you go home. sometimes you are like stay at a. training ground sometimes. you know play that sort of lads and you. know play table tennis for the boys or. not. but. this is like like I say just need to. catch up a little bit more and I'm.

becoming a little bit more modern. because he changed like the canteen or. not but. you know to. to be relevant and stay in this day and. age you know you've got to be more a. little bit more modern. is that because of the the ownership is. that the like the people at the top of. the club just don't understand what's. important for the players because they. spent their money on players but to hear. that they didn't spend the money on. things behind the scenes kind of speaks. to the fact that I don't know because. Sir Alex Ferguson probably could have. called the shots back in the day and. said we need this we need this we need.

this we need this. whereas these days. don't know what's going on. and of course now they want to sell the. club. what the fans have been wanting them out. for you know a long time but did the. players care did the players take a view. do you think. um. not red it was just like I say just. behind was just behind. on a lot of things.

um. let me tell you what you want that. modern you want the modern things. you want the things that are. you know popping off at that time. but I don't know. like who called the shots about you know. changing the training ground or. on things a lot but. like I say just just to catch up a. little bit and let me see what what city. you're doing on that right so. frustrating round. best facilities. no one talking back in the Press.

about the about the team you um you. chose after your timer. um Old Trafford after your contract to. come to an end to go to Nottingham. Forest a lot of people were surprised by. that a lot of people would have thought. you would have gone to back to West Ham. where you'd had an unbelievable run or. even to Newcastle or something like that. why why did you choose Nottingham Forest. newly promoted team. they've just been promoted right yeah. um. why why Forest. I finished all the love.

to show. you know the Wilderness and the hunger. to want me. dude Who's Gonna Fly me here and. everywhere to. to get a deal Over The Line. um. things brought down at West Ham. negotiations. which obviously I can't get into too. much but. no I'm not even showed. the love. a lot more than. you know West Ham and. you know when you think about it you.

know I've been at West Ham anyway before. and you expect. like you see what I can do I'll see what. I've done so you expect him to be like. yeah like you know what I will show you. the love like. this is the contract blah blah let's. negotiate let's talk. it went like that for some reason they. didn't want you to sign no they want me. to sign them kind of rush it it's like. kind of rushed. like it'll be like Wednesday and be like. Sunday Friday like there's a deal let's. let's talk like you know me.

like I'm not respect yeah like it's just. show a little respect like I've been. there I've helped your team like we've. got got to Europa League. I show a lot a bit more respect on that. well nothing I'm just like listen. like we love y'all. we want your all right the manager will. come to your house. like the owner wants to fly you to. Greece like sand deal like doing. everything in the power to get the the. level alone. on. you know for me it's a new challenge. different challenge. another team of course I've known All.

the known as United all my life. um. and I remember leaving. United. the last day. and. the physio that we had from under 18s. obviously is with the first team now. he's like I remember the FA Cup goal I. believe you've got you know run when you. when you won you've caught like I'll. always remember that goal like yeah.

I was like. you know I'm leaving leaving crying all. the way home on that like couldn't. continue on emotions or not and then. like it lasted a long time like I've. been there all my life. like I know everyone in the club. from like staff kipman. thinner ladies. you know. Mike Glennie who scouted me you know to.

United and like that that's been my life. United. but how did you feel about the club when. you left it. did you feel let down like disappointed. yeah a little bit. they say false promises here and uh. not really give you a reason why you. know you went playing. so yeah kind of let down to be honest. like say didn't really get a sand off. we've been there that long. I think I deserve one but when you get. in that car or you when I've been in the.

moment it's all worth like I've you know. quit my business that I'd started seven. years in when there's hundreds and. hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of. employees and my first reaction I got to. be honest was like I was like when I. knew I was going to quit I was so mad. and I wrote this email and it was kind. of bitter and whatever else when I. realized I was actually going to send. this email there was this little pause. and this is when I was in I was in. Portugal at the time and I got really. emotional yeah because that's when you. look back and go I'm actually going here. yeah like a hit shot yeah it's all said. and done now yeah and I'm I'm leaving.

and so I've redid the email and it was. like a really nice one it was like a. thank you to like the board and stuff. for taking the chance on me and stuff so. yeah it's tough tough though because. that was tough when he said that when a. physio said that. I was gone I was gone crying all the way. home in the car. and people don't know that. like people probably thought like oh. yeah he's like he's happy silly but I. needed to leave. I wasn't playing. so why am I gonna like I got for the.

contract but. what's the point I'm not gonna play so. I wouldn't rather. like yeah biggest club in the world but. happiness is more important for me and I. needed to be happy and go somewhere I'm. loved on. it's been a difficult start to the. season for Nottingham on the pitch. um as we sit here now I believe there in. the relegation Zone in the table. what's your what's your view on the.

start of the year for Nottingham. I think it's always going to be tough. especially with new players coming in I. think 22-23 yeah crazy. so it's always going to be tough but. I feel like. I feel like especially the Tottenham. game The Palace game you know we started. getting a bit more momentum. everyone knows you know the rules and. responsibilities now we played with each. other. um you know a lot more and you know we. understand each other a lot more so I.

felt like. you know the connection was especially. Tottenham and the palace game and then. obviously now we've had a break but I. think they break and doors does go to. regroup and. you know really you know reevaluate and. you know see what. what the main aim is for the season and. you know of course we don't bring my. location so you know we won't be winning. games on a way we need to do a lot. better. because. um you know we're struggling away from. home at the moment but you know home. games can be really crucial on key. because the atmosphere is.

nothing I've like I've never heard it. like before I've never been a nightmare. feel like that for the game like Etc I. got goosebumps every time. and I feel like we need to really. I think this big D I think everyone. knows what the situation I'm in anyway. on just about. you know. maintain and keep working hard. because the attackers have got to score. and you know we've got to do our job. um. you know it's different from me because.

you know I've been playing United and. you know of course we have all the ball. and you know we're getting shots and. chances on that of course it's gonna be. difficult I'm not even where you know. you might not see the wall as much and. you're not getting as many shots and. you're not create as many chances but. you know I thrive off these moments and. these and these challenges it's a new. challenge and. you know I'm happy to be there. um you know I love training I love I. love playing playing in the games and. that's the most important just to be.

happy for me. off the pitch you know you're 29 now. players I think the average age of a. player usually goes I don't know 32-ish. I don't know. what are you thinking about off the. pitch what's going on in your world I. know you've got your you've got your. brand you're doing several Investments. and sort of deals you've got a media. company give me a view of what what that. looks like. so even you know I don't I've always you. know off the pitch I've always I'm. always on the go I always want to know. what the next thing is to do.

what's the next investment what can I be. involved in what can I do Esports comes. gaming love gaming. Esports team let's do Esports team. brand love fashion that's so brand. at the launch for the Brandon was like. it was amazing I feel like 3 000 people. turned up like Victoria Warehouse. and then at the night time. little baby was there we've got a little. baby to perform. anyway even big big then.

um. but I just wanna. I just want to be happy and do things. like. I want to do to make me happy. and. you know the investment the business. side of things. of course I want to set up things. from my little sister from my little. brother. for my daughter when she grows up like. they can just go into straight away and. I think with the media company. um it's called One Touch. and guess what it's got one touch.

uh because you play one touch with your. granddad mm-hmm. something at One Touch. um and obviously the channel 4. documentary came from from Latin. I feel like it's just easier because. if I do a commercial now. JBL commercial. and. they're getting their production. but I can be like well you can use my.

production then. like the talent can get paid. um Productions you can get paid at the. same time. so it's a win-win and all the con like. anything that we do that we. um video record we get last like final. say so anyway so it's all under our. umbrella. and like I say after football I want to. go into acting. so. maybe starting this now and. maybe start doing a little bit of voice.

over work and like you know reanimation. kind of thing. um but I need to say drama classes I've. not done that yet why acting so when you. think about your life after football. some people think about being a pundit. or a manager or a coach whatever you're. thinking acting yeah how come. this is all films man I just I've always. been a big film lover. and. you know to be involved in. you know a film or a series would be you.

know be amazing and. like I say I need to. to really you know. home in on on the drama side of things. and you know learn like I'm really bad. Reliance to be honest what would be your. dream role have you got an idea in mind. for what. um what kind of like acting. let's give me an example. I think I'm gonna start comedy comedy. I'm gonna start comedy first. and then. you know when you see the interstellars.

and the inceptions. them kind of rules but that's going to. take time like you're not going to be. you're not gonna be thrown in straight. away. maybe a bit part here and there but you. know for the for the for the future with. with a media company I've got so many. things you know in in the lineup and. obviously it's based in LA and that's. where. eventually hopefully I want to finish. football. you want to finish in America yeah I. think so. at the very center of your documentary.

is the story of your mother. I found this. wonderful picture. what does she mean to you. no she's everything mom.

like she's been through it Mom. she's been for written. you know to see where she like where she. is today. from where she was. huge progression. so proud of her. and it can be hard because she's had. depression for years and years he is. like so he's having me probably made.

that worse for him. because she couldn't probably handle. you know being them over at that time. but luckily we had you know we're not. going at that suppose but. what you want for him. that's one of the best for her. I wanted to see you know our kids grow. up. I know she's so proud of me I've.

you know how far I've come. you know she'll still message me for my. bad game or I think like which is good. same like my granddad saying my dad. saying brother. [Music]. um. but yeah she's been through it but. that's not the best friend like I said I. wanna. you know keeping a. in this lifetime long enough to. you know see me progress see hope. progress into the character up what. she's gonna turn into because she's a.

character at the moment you're proud of. her. mum yeah massively. massively how come. just uh. from saying in bed. you know the age I was there probably. although maybe a little bit older. not being social. to. FaceTiming me every day and ringing me.

every day and just what you're doing and. have it. I love that. and I think my little sister like. she's 14 but she's acts like she's 18. but. I think she she helps my mom as well a. lot. which is good because mum never really. had someone to. like lean on like not even men like not. even me Granddad really that much. like she's she's not really a darker pop. a friend to lean on you know in times of.

struggle but I think I've been Daisy. there you know my little sister. you know she's she's really helped me. mum and I think my mom you know thrives. off that and. [Music]. why would you like honestly if you had a. camera Arrow so let's leave this is it's. 24. seven Carnage. honestly. I believe you we have a closing. tradition on this podcast where the last. guest asks a question for the next guest.

without knowing who they're leaving the. question for. um the question that's been left for you. is. what are the uncomfortable things that. you banish to the Shadows which means. kind of putting the Shadows which would. improve your life. if you. integrated. them. basically means what are the things that. you put in the shadows that would. improve your life if they weren't in the. shadows I guess. so I think just to question things a.

little bit more. because. you know growing up on I've never never. do that like. I've been put in situations where I. could question things like corn last. question. you don't actually not yet. but I've never done that and. you know it's only taught me. over these last couple of years where. you know confinedly. like man open you know be strong enough. to ask a question.

because sometimes like sometimes it can. take time for you know a person to. you know to grow up and you know be a. mum but. you know having my daughter like change. a lot of things and. you know like I say things don't go your. way of course I want to question you. know things but back in the day I would. never. well Jesse thank you thank you um so. many reasons you've given me so much joy. as a Manchester United fan. um over the years I've I've you know not. just because of your off the field on.

the field performance but just generally. like the personality you've brought into. the game and the happiness you bring to. your game. um but also the documentary you've. released on channel four. is incredibly important incredibly. inspiring because it's starting a new. wave of conversation around players. mental health and really a call for. empathy because we never as fans know. what's going on out off the pitch behind. the scenes and to have a view into that. puts puts things in perspective it kind. of turns the lights on and when you can. see that full picture hopefully people. will realize as you've said that your.

your players you're not robots and that. even one comment or one thing happening. at home can like all of us like the rest. of us human beings kind of have a really. debilitating impact on us our mental. well-being and how we perform and that's. a really important conversation one that. you didn't need to to start. one that you could have very easily just. kept yourself and it's um tremendously. strong uh contrary to popular opinion. um to speak out like that especially. when you're a man and it's not so easy. to do so because of the stigma so thank. you for that that's incredibly important.

and I'm exceptionally excited to see in. the next chapter of your life play out. at Nottingham Forest but then much. further on Beyond as you as you embark. on a new career in a different industry. thank you means a lot to me that you've. got me appreciate it Stephen pleasure. [Music]. quick one from one of our sponsors I've. got a tip for all of you that will make. your virtual meeting experiences I think. 10 times better. as some of you may know by now Blue. Jeans by Verizon offers seamless high. quality video conferencing but the. reason why I use blue jeans versus other.

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