Chris Eubank Jr. Opens Up About His Grief, Living In His Father's Shadow & His Future | E159

i don't do a lot of interviews like this. so there's not a lot of people that do. get to see this side of me chris. eubank. jr. the biggest fight of his life growing up. i was always chris eubank son a lot of. people would say you're trying to steal. your son's limelight to a certain extent. maybe he was i have to do something here. to where people know me for me. i got myself into this gang some kid had. gotten my number. he was like wait till i find you i went. into school with a baseball bat to find.

this kid i take the baseball bat out. that changed the path of my life. [Music]. the first time i went to dubai there was. a young guy there and offered to train. me. that was your brother. i just started crying man it was you. know one of the worst days of my life i. knew my brother was in dubai and i. didn't go and see him. that would have been the last time i. would have saw him before he passed.

um. a man named nick blackwell he got taken. to hospital he actually died on the way. to hospital he had to revive him with an. adrenaline shot those types of incidents. are what put things into perspective and. make you think about what you're doing. have you ever had this conversation with. your father about your emotions. this is too much. so without further ado i'm stephen. bartlett and this is the diary of a ceo. i hope nobody's listening but if you are.

then please keep this to yourself. [Music]. chris. one of the really remarkable things. about your story that i was. that kind of broke the mold a little bit. was someone that comes from a family as. you described where you did have comfort. because your father was very very. successful in his career. it seems like a little bit of an anomaly. that you had such. discipline.

and appetite for. struggle and pain because usually that. comes from typically stereotypically. that comes from. a background of intense hardship. so i guess where my question is like. where did that come from in you and is. that. something you saw in all of your. siblings. i always had that. very competitive. uh. personality you know and before i found.

boxing. i was heavy into sports in school. cricket rugby football athletics. swimming um. and i i just got a high off of. competing and winning. just. just competitive that's all i all i want. to do was test myself against other guys. and then obviously when i found boxing. i. quickly understood that this was. the ultimate form of competition.

you couldn't get anything. more intense more hardcore. more pure. than. two guys putting gloves on getting into. the ring. and. and going until somebody can't go. anymore. did you have. that from your dad at all was he ever. pushing you in those early years before. you even knew he was a boxer to be. competitive to win and that that was. important or was it more just. innate in you. you know it's funny my father actually.

he was the opposite in terms of. supporting or you know pushing me. towards boxing. he he banned me from going to boxing. gyms for a couple of years. he didn't think i'd be tough enough you. know so uh you know i was begging him. all the time let me let me go to the gym. let me let me let me go and spa let me. go and train. and he he would just tell me no no. you're not going. stick with your athletics stick with. your rugby stick with your football.

stick with your studies. that was a big thing for him you know. because he didn't have that education. growing up. um. boxing's gonna be too tough you know. you've got so many look at look at where. you are you're in a mansion you go to. private school. you know you've got everything you need. and want here why do you need to go down. to the gym. and and get your ass kicked every day. so um you know it took years of me. nagging and begging let me do it let me. do it.

um. finally he gave in. and i guess the rest is history now. we're here. when i was younger i remember my older. brothers could all eat really spicy food. and remember someone saying to me at the. table maybe one of my brothers maybe my. mum she was like don't give that to. steve he can't eat it when i heard that. it sounded like a challenge to me. now when you said that about your dad it. almost sounded like a dare it sounded. like a challenge did you receive it like. that him saying you're not tough enough. to do that absolutely you know as a kid.

um. when you're told you can't do something. you want to do it. ten times more do you think he was aware. of that. he's a smart man. you know what i've never thought of it. like that i've never thought about that. like was he. was he trying to bait me you know was he. saying this or stopping me so that when. i actually did start i would go so hard. that i would actually you know make. might make something of myself in the. sport i have no idea. if he did then that's that's a hell of a. you know a thing.

but um. no i mean i i genuinely think that he. he did really think i wasn't tough. enough. i mean world champions the best fighters. in the world. generally come from. poverty from hardship from broken homes. and they fight because they have to. fight. there is there's no other option for. them if they don't win if they don't. succeed in boxing they don't eat. you know they don't have a home to go to.

they can't pay the bills. um. so that's what fuels them to. to make it they have no choice. uh whereas me i had. i have many choices so in a way. i see it as i i see it as actually more. of a. an accomplishment. because i didn't have to go through. everything i went through to get to. where i am today. 34th of fights 32 wins.

the pain the hardship the sacrifice the. suffering i didn't have to do any of. that. i could have. stayed in school i could have. kept the rugby up all the or the or the. football or the cricket. um. you know and i i would have made it in. any sport that i wanted to make it in. i know that. why. just just because of my passion and my. my drive you know once i once i zone in. on something i want to do. nothing else matters. and i will i will do it and i will get.

there. by any means necessary. people that don't know about boxing or. don't know how to fight. they think that you got to be big and. strong and mean and full of hate and. that's what. enables you to be a great fighter or to. be able to to win in the fight game. and sure some of those things are going. to help you you know speed power all of. that stuff. plays a big part for sure but the. biggest part.

of being able to be a great fire is is. this. and a lot of people don't realize that. or don't know. that it is. in my opinion. i don't know 70 80 mental. you know. the balls and the the grit that you have. to have. to. you know walk through crowds of that. thousands of people.

and while you're walking there knowing. that you know once you get. to that ring and walk up those stairs. you're gonna have to take off your. jacket. the bell's gonna go and you're gonna. have to fight somebody. you're gonna have to get hurt and you're. gonna have to hurt somebody in front of. thousands of people and millions of. people around the world. that in itself. that that walk. most people on the planet could not. cannot do that.

just the walk let alone the fight part. it takes a lot of mental strength. it takes a lot of of guts a lot of heart. you know mental strength. it's a huge thing in boxing. it's a big thing in life. even outside of boxing right in business. and. in all i think great endeavors do you. think it's something that you can from. what you've seen in the gym something. you can teach or train. i think you can have you seen it talk to.

someone that didn't have it. i've seen fighters. improve. you know i've seen fighters over the. years become more confident and. in their abilities and you know. that does transfer for that just. transfer over to their performances in. the ring. i think to a certain extent you do have. to have. that strength that that belief and that. courage and that. that mental fortitude to fight. it can be enhanced.

in some ways. but only to a certain extent. because at the end of the day. there are going to be times. in training inspiring and definitely in. in the fighting. where you're going to get hurt you're. going to be in a position where. you're questioning yourself. what am i doing here. am i gonna be okay can i beat this guy. um. should i give up should i find a way out.

this is too much. every fighter experience is that that. that moment you know have you. experienced that yeah in a fight. there's one time where i was close to. giving up. one time. i went to cuba. before i turned pro. out there obviously they have the. olympians and. you know their their olympic. training is second to none you know. these guys are animals they're monsters.

um. in cuba they have this thing called. technical sparring which i had never. done and i never did. ever again until maybe up like two years. ago. but technical sparring is basically um. you're sparring but you're not aspiring. to hurt the guy. you're aspiring to work on technique you. know so it's like an agreement all right. listen i'm not gonna go all out here you. know we're gonna work on the jab today. or we're gonna work on foot movement. um we're not trying to bang each other. out.

you know they they they're big on that. they're big on technical sparring. i had never done anything like that my. my whole mentality was if i'm going to. spy you. i'm going to try and get you out of. there. because that's how my mentality is going. to be when. i'm in a real fight. so i i need that's just how i need to be. um. the cuban. olympic heavyweight representative. walks up the stairs and gets into the. ring i thought he was coming into the.

ring to to shadowbox and warm up for his. sparring session with somebody else. he said no no you guys you guys are. going to spa. i was like. uh. dude he's. about three times the size of me what do. you mean he's like yeah yeah it's okay. it's okay we you know he'll work with. you he'll work with you. technical sparring. so i thought sure that's fine let's go. first round goes first bell goes this. guy. sprints over to me. and just starts.

laying into me the biggest shots. bang bang bang. head up moving out the way dungeon. running around the ring and he's just. coming at me and i can't get this guy. off of me. he knocks me out of the ring he punches. me i i fall out of the ring i drop down. it's like a three four foot drop onto. concrete. my knee hits the hit hits the concrete. my leg goes dead. right. this is the second round that this. happened i still have one more round.

afterwards. so i'm getting up. legs completely gone. i'm looking up. in this heavy weights like leaning over. the the ropes looking at me looking down. at me. and i have a decision to make. do i get back in. or do i say listen my knees bad you're. too big. i've got a concussion let me know let me. just take a break. so i'm sitting there i'm looking around. everyone's looking at me my dad's there.

i was like you know what let's [ __ ]. go let's go walk back up knowing knowing. what i was about to receive once as soon. as i got back in the ring. and that's like what happened. crack click uh you know clapped us back. in. just starts laying into me again for. another another another two rounds. but my whole thing was. i have to finish the three rounds. why. because i said i was gonna do the three. rounds.

i said i would bar him three rounds. i'm not leaving this gym. with everybody knowing that i quit. why not. why not because uh. i couldn't i couldn't live with myself. i've gotta i've gotta go home and go to. sleep. how am i going to go to sleep with that. on my mind you know i can go to sleep. with getting my ass kicked by a guy. who's three times bigger than me i can i. can sleep like that. i can't go to sleep knowing that he.

another man made me quit made me run out. of the ring no. so i got back into that ring and i took. my beating like a man. and from that day on i was never scared. again. so that was the worst. experience of my life in terms of. boxing but it was also the best. experience. because i knew. i knew what i was capable of i knew i. had it inside me to not give up. i knew i could take a shot.

i knew i had what it what it would take. to make it if he can't make me quit. who's gonna make me quit nobody. so that stuck with me for the rest of my. career. something really interesting which i i. gained from that. which is like we basically create a. personal like philosophy or story with. ourselves and in that moment when you're. looking up at stepping back into that. ring with that massive guy in there. it's like you're you're writing or. making a.

story about yourself one that will. probably follow you forever and i think. about this sometimes when i'm on my own. and i'm on my like peloton and i'm. either exhausted or knackered and i know. there's seven minutes left and i know i. can just get off it but this thing in my. head goes but then steve you're changing. your own. personal story which is that sometimes. steve quits when it's hard. and the thought of having to live the. rest of my life with that per and it. sounds like a very strange thing i've. never said before but the thought of. having to live with that personal story. that personal philosophy that that's who. i am is never worth getting off the bike.

because okay it's seven minutes today. but it's a lifetime. of thinking that's who i am and it. sounded like that in that moment you you. had a choice about who you were going to. sit you know and it's a self thing i. know there's other people there but. sometimes when i'm sure you have it in. the gym or whatever where no one's. around it's just. you and you yeah you have a decision to. make about who who you are right. happens a lot in training i imagine as. well right no that that's actually when. it happens the most you know there are. times you know i'll be i'll be on the.

treadmill. where i'll be running and you know i'll. get a cramp in in the uh in my calf. yeah i've still got eight minutes to go. because you said you were gonna do. because i i've set the timer for 40. minutes on the thing. so i'm on i'm on 32 minutes. the cramp starts going. you're on the treadmill yeah. you got. you got eight minutes to go. and i'm i'm running like this now.

but i'm not getting off the treadmill. because i've got to do the eight minutes. why no one's there nobody's there. but if the treadmill can make me quit. what happens when i get into the ring. with a guy who's hit me and i'm hurt. yeah he's gonna make me quit too so i'm. i'm on that treadmill for eight minutes. like that. just try and just try and not try not to. get the pressure on this leg. but i'm finishing the 40 minutes. now that is.

you know it it's huge because. it teaches you. to believe and to know that you know no. matter how hard things get you will find. a way. you'll find a way. it doesn't matter who's watching you. know you know because. yeah no one's around right now so no one. would know if you took that break. but what happens when you're in a. situation where the world is watching. and you're in that same position of pain.

or of. of un you know uncertainty about you. know. so you got a big speech or you you know. some something's happening and. everyone's watching and you don't know. you don't really want to keep going. you know. then you'll get that same feeling you. know what i'm going to do it. not. oh well listen i'm i'm i'm done i just. this is too much you don't ever want to. put that. uh. that spirit inside yourself you know. you got to you got to keep those demons.

out. you know and they are demons you know. and if you and if you let them in. enough they take over. i don't let anything like that inside me. i always beat. what it is. uh that's in front of me what it is. whether it's mental whether it's. spiritual whether it's physical. um. i always make sure i come out on top. one of the ways we learn about who we. are and i was i guess that self story. that i was talking about there is by. looking at others we can sometimes. compare ourselves to our peers or those.

around us or whatever it might be and. say. i know that i'm. different because everyone around me. isn't like this thing they're not like. they don't have this trait or quality or. think in this way that i do. when i look at your career and what. you've done it is remarkable because. as you said you had so many other. choices but you chose what i consider to. be. the. most tumultuous. struggle-filled one. and so i when i when i sit here i go.

what is it about you. that's made you where you are today in. this this great champion. the character traits the attributes what. is it. i've always had a strong mind i've. always had a strong soul. i've always known what i wanted to do. uh and that i was never gonna stop until. i did it. um. i had a lot to live up to. you know growing up. i was always chris eubank's son.

you know from an early age i was like. yeah but that's not my i'm not chris. that's not my name. my name is chris he made it even harder. by calling me chris he made it even. harder this guy. um. but i knew that that's not i couldn't go. the rest of my life. as that as just being the son of. oh that's chris you know i have to do. something here. to where people know me for me. that was a big driving factor. becoming my own man.

doing something that people would be. proud of and that my family would be. proud of and that i could say was my own. now some people would say well then why. did you go into boxing with which is you. know the same sport your dad did. um. you know it's a good question i mean. i guess that. you know. i guess that competitive. uh. soul inside of me maybe. wanting to see if i could be better than.

what my dad was. see if i could be better than the guy. who said i i wasn't tough enough. um. i'm sure that was. in my mind in the early stages. now that i've done so much it's it's not. at all you know i don't ever compare. myself to my father people do all the. time you know who would win in a fight. if you you and your dad fought or you. know did would you ever spar with him. um i don't i don't think about any of. that you know. i just have to be the best fighter i can.

be um. because at the end of the day. um. especially in boxing you know. you know you you're only going to be. competing with yourself that's how you. that's how you elevate that's how you. get better. not by focusing on other people and i. think that that goes for you know any. industry if you if you're constantly. looking at other people and what they're. doing and. you know. why they made it or why they didn't make. it you know you. you're losing out on on you and what you.

know and on what is best for you and how. you're going to progress. i never looked up at anyone and said i. want to do that and i want to be there i. just i always just thought to myself you. know what. this is going to be so hard as it is i. don't want to put any added pressure on. myself. i don't want to you know. can i can i get as many wins as my dad. or you know can i be more famous or make. more money like. all that stuff would it's just it's a it. just messes with your mind so you just.

have to focus on day by day. week by week fight by fight. just being the best you can be and. that's what i did and i just built that. up over the years. until you know until i had made my own. name and made my own. uh. path um. my father's always been there he's. always been there to support me and. guide me. i think. he's now taking a back seat a lot a lot. a lot more than he was originally he was.

frightened and said at the beginning of. my career you know. you you look back on youtube at the at. the the press conferences and the. weigh-ins he was right there. you know and he'd be talking on my. behalf sometimes. a lot of people would say you know oh. you you're trying to steal your son's. limelight um. to a certain extent maybe he was or. maybe he. i don't think he was doing it. consciously like oh i want to i want to. steal a sunset but it's just. he's such an entertainer he's such a. people person he just couldn't help.

himself. you know he'd have to get up in the. middle of a press conference and do some. poetry. or or talk [ __ ] to my opponent or he had. to he just that's just who he is. um. and early on i actually didn't mind it. because. i was so hell-bent on just becoming. a good fighter. i didn't even really want to talk to the. public. and i and i i always got and i still do. get a lot of.

uh. trolls online social media. so it gave me like kind of like a bad. taste. for. publicity and and media and and. so i didn't really even want to deal. with that i just wanted to fight i just. wanted to get my record up so that. people could start saying okay yeah this. kid's a bad boy that's all i cared about. so it was actually him he actually did. take a a lot of pressure off of me by. him kind of doing the talking for for a. certain amount of years.

um. now that i'm established. now that i am you know where i am in the. sport. uh. that isn't needed. you know i'm 32 years old now i can't. have another man at my press conferences. speaking on my behalf it's just this. it's just not gonna fly. so for the last few years. he hasn't been doing that. i'm comfortable in front of a camera now. i wasn't comfortable at the beginning.

in the beginning i was very and i looked. back and i looked back at the all these. pictures i used to take with fans and. interviews and i was always very. serious and stone-faced. and not. fun to really listen to in interviews. and people would say oh yeah i met you i. met you uh you know i met you in in 2013. 2014. look look here's a picture and. then and then and i'd be sitting. standing up some like this. what was that you just.

you just had a bad opinion of that. no i just i was just so serious i was. just so obsessed with boxing like. and. for me when i'm in the fight i don't. play. you know some guys you know they they. walk they walk in into the ring you know. manny pacquiao's and joshua's in the. high-fiving guys and smiling and. you know dancing to the music. i'm not that guy i can't i can't be like. that if i know i've got to fight.

i'm a barbarian. you know i'm it's wartime. um. and even though i'm light outside of the. ring now. as an adult. one even now i i still want this fight. time i'm not smiling. i'm not a nice guy. now as at the start of my career i guess. i couldn't i couldn't separate. the fighter from. the guy in the street they were the same. guy. so whether i was in the ring or i was.

taking a picture with the fan. i i wasn't smiling i was a serious dude. now. as you get older you you know you. understand you can't. you can't be like that around. normal citizens. because it's. it's it's just weird you know you you. have to be able to smile i i smile at. all my pictures now. because these pictures they have them. for the rest of their lives. and and they show them to their friends.

their family. um. and what do you want do you want. that or do you want. oh he's a nice guy or oh he's an [ __ ]. he couldn't even you couldn't even smile. he looked so serious he didn't look like. he didn't want you want to be there. you know that's one thing i've learned. it's very important. being. in the public eye. you have to give people time. and you have to be happy about it. uh. because.

you know one encounter. is not just one encounter. if you meet somebody you're actually. meeting their friends. their family their son their daughters. you know that one person it's a spider. web. so that one person is actually. a thousand different people and it's. either gonna be. he was a really good guy he was a cool. guy he said he took he took a picture. and he spent you know he spent time and. talked to me. that's that's the story that goes out to.

the thousand people or. what an [ __ ] what a wanker. um. which one of those stories do you want. being. spider webbed out into the universe you. know and it all comes back around. because you meet the friends you meet. the family you see the tweet yeah you. see the tweets you know it all comes. back around so. good energy positive vibes give people. your time you know. because those pictures and those stories.

stay with them for the rest of their. lives. and becomes your karma. and becomes your karma it becomes. how people treat you that you've never. met before. you know you really got to be aware of. the power of your energy towards other. people if if you give off bad vibes and. then you get bad vibes if you're a good. person if you give people time. it all comes back around. there's been this kind of perception. because of that because if you're very. stone-faced that you're unemotional.

sure you've heard this before. yeah. what's the truth in there are you. unemotional. i've heard that i've heard that word. many times. throughout the years with girls i've. dated. that's always been a really. bad or hard thing for them to. to get past is that i'm not. an emotional guy. apparently i'm very hard to read.

when i'm in a relationship or on a date. or whatever it is um you know they don't. know if i even like them. um. am i emotional no i'm not. i have emotions obviously but. you know like. for you to upset me. is it's damn near impossible. and you know i will never sh i i don't. think i've. i can't remember the last time i shouted. at somebody.

i don't have that emotion to. you know if you if you do something. wrong to me or to disrespect me or. okay. and then i just never see you again. i i don't get that like. you know what are you doing you know. like that so many people get i don't. have that in me i don't know why. you know if i knock somebody out in the. ring. i stand there.

i look at them while they're on the. floor that's it. you know 99.9 percent of fighters they. they knock a guy out. [Music]. jumping up onto the brink. high fiving people. crying. you know i don't i don't have that. emotion it's like yeah i knocked you out. this is what i said i was gonna do this. is what i've trained for. for my whole life. so. yeah that's what happened. um.

do you ever worry though that that's. gonna get in your way a little bit in. terms of especially romantic. relationships women. are a little bit more emotional than men. um they're more in touch with their. feelings i mean the data shows that. quite clearly so. do you ever think that's gonna inhibit. you from forming romantic relationships. i mean i've never really thought about. it and it's not. because she said you wanted kids i. remember hearing you say that of course. yeah i mean who doesn't.

um well i mean some people don't but. eventually i do want a kid. but you know. the woman i'm going to have a kid with. is not going to be a woman that needs an. emotional man you know some women don't. need that. um was your father emotional. no. no your mother. yeah. yeah father emotional at all. no. affectionate. i knew he loved me and that you know i.

knew i could i knew he wanted the best. for me. um. [Music]. he was emotional enough to for me to. know that. uh that's my dad and i would do anything. for him and i love him you know some. some people don't have that relationship. with their dads you know. i love my dad i res but i respected him. and i feared him. um. i did fear him. so.

and that was you know he was very strict. growing up i couldn't get away with. anything. i think that's sometimes about myself i. think you know i i actually grew up i. still to this day called my mum and dad. by their first names never called them. mum and dad and then i think there was a. lack of affection and emotion in my. child in my childhood so. i had to kind of learn. growing up how to be affectionate and. emotional i remember someone calling me. their best friend and me feeling this. like internal. repulsion like the [ __ ].

and then when i would when i'd get into. a relationship with well no this was. even worse when i'd find someone that i. fancied and i'd pursue them the minute. they showed interest in me i'd reject. them and so until i realized that was. going on and i had this like weird thing. in me it controlled me and it meant that. 27 i had my first proper relationship. so. yeah that's uh i'd learn a bad model of. affection relationships and emotions so. i feel like i've become a little bit.

more emotional as i've gotten older. you know before. nothing could phase me you know doesn't. matter what would happen nothing would. phase me. up until a few years maybe maybe over. the last like two or three years. there's been a few times where i've. watched movies. and. i'd get this like. you know something sad would happen and. i'd get this this feeling you know like.

and i i never cried you know but. you know that like that start of like i. might cry. um. [Music]. and i was like what what the hell is. this you know like this is weird and. that's only have started happening over. the last couple of years. so i don't know if i'm becoming more. mellow. or. i don't know but i'm just i'm just not. an emotional person you know i haven't. cried.

you know the last time i well i was the. last time i cried i was. i was 12 years old. and then i cried again when my brother. died last year. so. you know that's. that's 20 years in 20 years i've cried. once. so yeah i mean i guess you could say i'm. not emotional but that's what i needed. to be. to do the things i've done in the ring. that that that was that was my journey.

that was that was how i was able to do. it. um i had to get my emotions out. to be able to perform. ice cold. you know some guys use their emotions to. help them fight more. that was my path you know if i ever. if i ever felt emotions getting involved. in you know whether it was hate or anger. or. being afraid i would. i noticed that it affected my fighting. negatively i would make mistakes.

you know if i went into a sparring. session i really didn't like the guy. you know and i went out there and really. tried to hurt him i'd actually hurt him. less than if i was just cool calm cold. and calculated you know. i'd make mistakes i'd attack when i. wasn't supposed to attack or i would. i'd move and i would do certain things. which i'm just i'm only doing because i. just want to get him you know and it's. like. boxing is a chess match you know. at the highest levels. you have to think about everything that. you're doing.

the guys that think while they're in the. ring not just react those are the guys. who who make it to. the top of the top. have you ever had this conversation with. your father about your emotions. about dealing with emotions suppressing. emotions whatever because. i don't know i struggle to believe that. you're not emotional as you've seen you. does come out in you but it just seems. like you've. learned how to. suppress and not express those emotions. i have never had this conversation with. my father no we've never talked about.

emotions or. feelings. i'm not gonna say he's not that type of. guy because he actually may be now at. this stage in his life. you know he's he's found god he's very. religious now. um. so maybe i actually could have this. conversation with him but. you know. 10 years ago. 20 years ago. there's just no way i could never sit. down with him and. and talk about my feelings you know.

he'd be like feelings. come let me take my belt off and show. you about feelings you know. really. it was not you know very strict very um. [Music]. yeah very. uh. you you i got away with nothing as a kid. you know but i i think i needed that. because i was very boisterous i was very. i had a lot of energy. you know i got myself into this gang.

when i was a kid and. you know i was going around i was. fighting i was. you know skipping school um. [Music]. the only thing that. somewhat kept me in line. was knowing that if i got caught or if i. went too far. my dad was waiting for me at home. do you really think he would have taken. his belt off if you tried to chat with. him back through here i'm exactly i'm. exaggerating that part yeah but listen. the belt came off many times. but when i stepped out of line as a kid.

yeah. um. you know that strictness those that. punishment. uh. stopped me from. going even more overboard than i already. did. and i did go overboard you know you can. go on to youtube right now and see a. video of me street fighting at 16 years. old in the car park in brighton. and i was doing that every other week. you know. so imagine what i would have been doing. if i could if i could just have free. reign if i had nothing.

stopping me from doing anything it would. you. know i'd be in jail. 100 percent. um. [Music]. you know we're jamaicans we're built. differently you know we're. there's just something in our dna which. uh you know we. we we have this thing where we. you know we we like to cause trouble man. i don't know why. um. my father was the same you know he got. into all types of trouble as a kid you. know stealing and.

getting arrested and fighting you know. that's just. i don't know we just we we come from a a. bloodline of. of uh of ruffians you know it's just how. we are. i'm a lot more. um. refined now as an adult you know i look. back at some of the things i was doing. and i'm just like. what what was i thinking i remember. i went to college. for maybe. a month or two before i ended up moving.

to america. some kid from. this uh the school that was opposite. from the college had had somehow gotten. my number. and i had i got in a fight with his. brother and these are these two really. big kids um and he he got my he called. me like 2am woke me up he's like yo who. do you think you are. i'm gonna [ __ ] you i'm gonna do this i'm. gonna eat you i'm gonna do this stuff to. you. you know watch wait till i find you. watch hung up the phone.

i i knew who the kid was because i heard. i knew his voice right. the next day. i went into school with a baseball bat. in in my gym bag. so i have the gym bag so obviously no. one can see it. lunch bar rang went picked up my bag. started walking across to the other. school. to find this kid. and when i say find him i mean like. i was walking in and out of classes.

i was opening the doors. and seeing. you know the teachers looking like. who are you what are you doing don't. worry about it so i was walking from. classroom to classroom to classroom to. classroom on your own on my own yeah to. find this kid. with the baseball bat in my bag and you. know. um. i thank god i thank the good lord above. that i didn't find him. that i didn't see him.

because you know. i walk into a classroom or i see him on. the football field i take the baseball. bat out i hit him with it. finished. you know one i could kill the kid. i'm in jail for the rest of my life. um. you know. i would i would have been banned from. going to america. so my my whole. my whole foundation. uh everything that i learned going over.

to the states as as. at 18 years old having my first amateur. fights training with floyd mayweather. and his father. that would have all been washed away i. would have never i would have never done. it. so i would never have done anything in. boxing because that was that was that. start. was what built me up. you know. you know i just so i just thank god that. he wasn't there that day because that. could have changed the part of my life. you know and i just look back at that.

like. how what were you thinking like how. stupid could you be but obviously as a. kid you you're not thinking about. consequences or america you know you you. know you're just upset that some kid. called you up and and called you an. [ __ ] and said he's gonna mess you up. the next time you see him you're not. thinking about. traveling and getting bands and going to. prison and you're just thinking i want. to be a big man and and show everyone. i'm hard. you know so it's just. you know you have to have that's why i. say i thank god for my father as well.

for how strict he was because. you know. there were other times where there were. things that i was going to do. but i didn't do them because i didn't. want to. suffer the consequences of my old man. so um. yeah. you talked earlier about your the death. of your brother. sebastian. the first time i went to dubai. i went to the gym there.

and there was a young guy there that. came over and offered to train me. and he trained me for. about. i think two weeks. individually i was your brother. got loads of photos hundreds and. hundreds of photos of him training me on. the bags there. i remember him as being just the most. generous. pure. pure is the word that i always come back. to. giving person he did not ask me for any. money he never asked me for a thing he.

trained me on the bags both times that i. came to um. dubai and i wasn't he didn't necessarily. know who i was or what i was doing but. he did that out of the goodness of his. heart and then he continued to message. me and speak to him on instagram about. superfoods and we talked a lot about. that. obviously he there was a tragic accident. and he. passed away from that. what can you tell me about that incident. and the. lasting impact that's had on you and. those those around you. i mean you know.

this is fresh this is this only happened. a year ago. um. and i never had to. i've never dealt with anything like that. in my life. um. i told you i'm not an emotional guy. the last time i cried i said i was 12. years old. but the day i found out. i cried the whole day.

i cried the whole day i cried for like. two days straight. um. yeah yeah my so my dad actually. i had covered i had covered when i found. my dad came to my house. uh. he woke me up. he said come outside. and i thought i'd done something wrong. because he had he had a look in his face. which was uh.

i don't know i just couldn't i can't. describe it but it was. i knew something was wrong. um so i thought that you know i don't. know i i i wasn't sure what what i was. about to hear he took me outside my. little brother my little brother joseph. um. he's he lives with me and i have an. outhouse. uh so he lives there he went and got him. and he sat us down and he told us and um.

you know i just started crying man it. was you know one of the worst days of my. life and um. you know. it's just it's so crazy to to think that. somebody that is so healthy you know. like you said he's telling you about the. superfoods and. you know he trains every day you know. peak physical condition. um. can just you know have a heart attack. and just gone.

just still just blows my mind you know. um. i thank god that you know he didn't. suffer he didn't he didn't really feel. anything he just went. um and i also thank god that he had a. son. his son was born. maybe a month or month before he passed. and he raheem. and he looks just like him. so we have that you know.

um we have raheem to carry on his legacy. and i thank god for that every day um. you know he's just now starting to walk. learning how to walk. he has a seven or eight teeth he's he's. a great kid. very good looking kid. um. i guess. that one. instance. i feel like that has made me more of an. emotional person since that's happened.

um. it makes you think just like how. before something that happens to you you. hear about all that stuff on your news. and to other people and you see it in. movies. and it's just like well whatever you. know it doesn't it doesn't really. register but when there's a death in. your family then. then the next time you hear about. someone passing away then you get that. immediate feeling of what you dealt with. and then you start to sympathize and. empathize and.

with the people that it's happening to. that you don't know. um and i never had that emotion before. until until this happened um. and it just you know. like i said i had covid. and. uh. that meant that i actually couldn't make. it to his his funeral which is. you know it's just crazy like i was in. florida for the whole of covert right. and.

when i say that these guys didn't care. in florida like. the beaches were full. no one's wearing masks i i remember. going to the beach and i would walk. along the beach thousands of people and. i'd be wearing a mask this was like peak. covered and people would be looking at. me like what are you wearing a mask for. like they did not care. i was in i went to texas i was in dallas. for a month i was partying every night. never got covered. and then. the day my brother dies i have covered.

and i can't get on a plane. and fly to dubai for his funeral because. i have covered and. in the muslim. religion they have to bury him as. quickly as possible. um. they couldn't wait. i thank god that my family were able to. go out. i had to stay. um. you know i don't. i don't believe in regrets. um.

i believe what's meant you know what's. meant to be will be. and you know you should be happy with. whatever happens in your life you know. but i would say there is one regret i. have in my life. uh and that was. i actually went so i hadn't i hadn't. seen my brother for quite some time. and. uh. i was. i had a holiday this was i don't know.

maybe three or four months before he. passed away i stopped off i had to stop. off in dubai and i stopped off in dubai. for like a couple days before i flew to. this destination. and um. i didn't want to i didn't want to see. anybody. nobody knew that i was making this trip. i knew my brother was in dubai and i. didn't go and see him. i just i didn't want people knowing i. was in dubai so i just i stayed in my.

hotel room and i didn't see anybody. and then i left and i went to the next. destination. that's that's probably the one regret i. have in my life now is that i didn't. go and see him you know because that. would have. that would have been the last time i. would have saw him before he passed. um. [Music]. you know and these things it just. teaches you you've got to appreciate. and you've gotta. um.

you know you don't take anything for. granted nothing is guaranteed you know. the people you love. be with them as much as you can. appreciate them enjoy them. don't get into fights. you know. don't do things which just wasting time. because. one minute they're there and one minute. they're gone and then you've got to. think about all the things you could. have done with them or should have done. with them that you didn't because. you know you're. you're too busy or you you know i'll see.

them again another time. you know it's uh it's crazy how the. world works but yeah. i appreciate everyone at all times and. you know. family is family is number one. you know. don't let anything ever get in between. that don't take it for granted that's. one thing i've learned. you know investing a lot of time in your. relationship with rheem. absolutely yeah we're on the phone all.

the time. i've got a million videos of him. on my phone my my uh my brother's wife. seb's wife salma she send me videos. every day of raheem. um. they're coming over to england actually. in uh in a month or so. and yeah so raheem is is now my son you. know that's that's how i feel. um. you know it actually makes me want to. have a kid.

i was never really planning on having a. kid until after my career. and i still may not but. um. i want raheem to be able to grow up with. my son you know i don't want them to be. too. far apart. um. you know me and my brother said we were. you know a year and a half apart so we. were very close you know we did. everything together. um so i want i want raheem to have that. so you know within the next few years.

we'll uh we'll see what happens. one of the things i couldn't quite. ascertain from. googling. was if you uh if you are in a. relationship or if you're dating you. keep all that stuff very private i don't. blame you to feel this but. i couldn't quite ascertain where you're. at with that um. most things said you weren't. but is it. a part of your life. absolutely yeah. one thing i've learned is that.

relationships and social media don't mix. um. i've just i've seen social media mess up. so many relationships. uh that i just. you know i decided a long time ago that. whoever i was with. uh is not gonna be. it's not gonna be a public relationship. my life is public. people can see what i'm doing every day. i want something that's for me.

uh. you know and you've got so many girls. out there who. you know they're they're just clout. chasers you know they they just want. they want to say that you know that look. at me look at these pictures we went. here we went there. um i don't need that in my life you know. i've got enough clout i've got enough. attention on me so i. i keep my private life private. so much so that i've actually seen. comments online saying that i'm gay.

you know. this guy's never in pictures with girls. he's never gotten he's got no girls on. his instagram i think he's gay i've seen. that like multiple times and just you. know i laugh my ass off whenever i see. that but. yeah i just. i just don't i don't believe in mixing. the two i don't i don't see any. positives from it you know people see. something. if they see something. if they see people happy. some most people yeah that's great but.

there's there's a large p percentage of. people that if they're seeing something. happy they they want to try and make it. unhappy that's what is as crazy as that. sounds that's what some people do you. know. so uh. i'm not gonna let anybody take shots at. or try and. muddy my relationship because. i've seen it happen before it will you. know and it happened it happens all the. time. i believe. a private life should be private and. that's that's how i've chosen to.

to keep my relationships. it's good to hear i agree. i'm not gay. you talked a bit about um seb there and. his approach to like health and fitness. i actually looked back through my. conversations with him before you came. and all of our conversations were about. health and fitness he'd asked me a few. things about social media and some. advice there but. did that incident also impact how you. viewed the health implications of the. sport that you do.

because you know you can get. one. one hit in boxing and it can be it can. cause really bad damage right. has that brought it more into the. spotlight for you that your the. fragility of your health and. you know i hear a lot of boxers talk. about not overstaying their welcome. tyson fury this weekend after he won the. fight talked about that as well. has that is that front of mind for you. when you you think about your career. i wouldn't say that what happened with. seb has. um.

no it hasn't hasn't affected how i think. about boxing um. you know i've been doing this game i've. been in this game for a long time. i've been in fights where you know. i've hurt people to the point where they. you know have been in a coma i've fought. a a man named nick blackwell. years back and you know he. he uh he got taken to hospital he. actually died on the way to hospital and. he had to revive him with an adrenaline.

shot and he was in a coma for two weeks. um you know that that was national news. um. you know those types of instance of. incidents are what. really put things into perspective and. make you think about what you're doing. and. the risks and the implications. as a youngster you don't think about it. you know when something like that. happens then you do think about it and. you and you think about even more as you. get older. because as you get older.

especially in boxing you. you're affected more by the punishment. you take. i feel like when i was young it's like i. could do anything and i never get hurt. you know at 32. you know you pick up sick little. injuries and. you know you. the shots you take you feel them that. little bit more than you used to. you start forgetting things.

you know. um do you think that's correlated that. forgetting things. so what you'd forget like a name or. something and you'd yeah and you'd like. my recall is is a lot worse than it used. to be. so. you know in my 20s. um. if i couldn't remember something i'd sit. there. and within five seconds i get it you. know you do that thing when you think. about it oh yeah yeah. now it's. ten minutes.

you know i i it's it's it's really. embarrassing to say but. i forgot the name of somebody one time. it took me a week. every day sitting there. like throughout the day whenever i would. remember what was the name what was the. name and then a week later bang just. came to me. i just i couldn't i was just nuts you. know because now. now i force myself to remember.

because it's like you're training your. brain it's called recall. so i'll i'll force myself if i'm if i. you know i could easily just go on my. phone and what was the name again google. oh yeah that was it. but now i now i force myself to pull it. out of my mind. um and that there was one particular. name and it took me a whole week before. it just snapped back. do you have recall apps on your phone i. read that somewhere that you had like a. an app on your phone to help you train. so i have an app now it's called um.

elevate. and it's basically. going to the gym but for your brain. you know so i've got here so you've got. like. spelling recall eloquence precision. um. you know you have it's games it's games. that you play you know vocabulary. uh math equations you know just little. games to play each day and it just keeps. your mind working. your mind your brain is like a muscle. you know if you keep using it the more.

you use it the better it gets right the. stronger it gets and i think it's. important you know especially because as. you get older you you know i do i know i. notice it you know i'll i'll. go into a room and i'll put my phone. down somewhere. and then i'll walk off and then i'll. and i'll walk around the room looking. for the bloody phone. it's you know and it's like i'm think it. shouldn't this should not be happening. um. [Music]. is that from. getting hit in the head i don't know is.

it just i'm getting no i don't know. um sounds like me to be honest and i. don't get hit in the head i don't drink. you know you know i got i got friends. they drink every night. you know and they're very smart guys you. know they're in business they're in. economics they're you know they. they're in tech they. but. they drink. a lot sometimes so it's like and i feel. like you know. drinking kills brain cells right. just like a punch would. but they seem to be okay i don't know so.

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you know you've heard them we've all. heard them that the biggest killer of. men under the age of 45 is themselves. and a lot of people point and go well. why is that a lot of the mental health. charities cite that men don't express. themselves enough they're not emotional. they don't talk and we've had all the. campaigns about talking and. um those kinds of things have you ever. experienced. anxiety or depression. or any sort of mental health um. ailment. that's one thing that i do thank god for.

is that i've never experienced any of. that. um. it's hard for me to relate to. uh hearing about people with depression. and. anxiety like i've just never experienced. anything like that um i know it's a. thing. um. [Music]. but i'm i'm just an extremely happy and. content person and i'm not saying that. to you know pick myself up that's just.

how i am it's like it doesn't matter. what happens i'll find. the bright side or. if there's something bad going on in my. life i'm. i'm able to just cut it off. and move on. deal with it to the to where it stops. being an issue. um i've i've never been the type of. person that will let something affect me. um. you know from day one in my career.

i've had i've been i've been a target. i get a serious amount of. [ __ ] online to this day. uh. haters doubters non-believers. i have like a whole army dedicated to. just. sticking it to me on a daily basis. online it's unbelievable. um. and the funny thing is if i walk out. into the street it's pictures it's. autographs it's love.

none of these guys are around. why is that. i. you know i i got it at the beginning. well actually i didn't get it at the. beginning it really got to me because. you know i'm young i'm coming into the. game i'm trying to be the you know. trying to do the best i can. and i've got people constantly coming at. me oh you think you're you're old man. you're a copycat you'll never be as good. as him. uh you're a wannabe. you know and when i when i saw when i. first started experiencing this uh. this hatred and this um.

you know this trolling. it did affect me. um. i didn't get depressed. because i'm not that type of person but. angry. you know why are these people saying. these things what what have i done to. them. um i couldn't understand it you know. maybe that is why i had for so many. years that kind of. that stone wall when i was taking. pictures of doing interviews.

because i'd seen so much. so much negativity online you know um. but then after a while. i i don't know it just it just switched. one day and i was just like. why am i getting upset why am i getting. pissed off with these random guys. i don't i know what it was some guy. wrote something uh i think on my. facebook. i think i just had a fight and he said. um.

terrible performance you're an. embarrassment to your family name. i hope you get knocked out in your next. fight you scumbag. right. i'm i'm a 22 year old kid. i've got some and you know i'm looking. i'm like jesus like you know it's just. nuts. i clicked on his. profile i was like i've got to see who. said this i mean who is this guy he must. be some amazing guy to be. saying this to me. and uh.

you know it was this. fat. bloated. just nobody you and he was sitting on. his couch with a with a beer that was. his profile picture and he ended and he. had his cat next to him and he was in. shorts and like a wife beer. um or what you guys don't say wifi. that's my american thing coming out uh. tank top. um. and i was like hold on this is the guy. that just called me a scumbag.

i'm letting this guy. affect my day. nah nah this has got to stop. and from that day on i just realized. it's not it's not even me it's. they're unhappy with themselves they're. not happy with me. you know the people that are trolling. you know they've got whatever they've. got going on in their lives they're. upset they're unhappy. they and they're projecting that onto. other people who are. who they see as doing them doing well.

for themselves and they you know oh he's. look at him he's you know he's got all. that and you know let me see if i can. bring him down you know i'm upset so let. me see if i can make him upset like. that sounds crazy to me to do that but. that's. what i've come to understand that some. people do. you know they're unhappy so they want to. make other people unhappy with them. as soon as i realized that. i i never i never worried about trolling. or bad comments again i actually and now. i actually enjoy them you also must know. that it's profitable for you.

absolutely mayweather taught us that. absolutely yeah i mean in in boxing. that's another that's another thing. which made me stop worrying about it. because i knew. after a while i started i started seeing. these trolls at my fights. you know i'd be walking to the ring. you're gonna get knocked out what are we. i'd hear all this stuff walking to the. ring. right. and i thought hold on a second. that guy bought a ticket.

he paid to be there to to shout at me as. i walked past. and i'm you know. i'm getting a percentage of that ticket. what am i upset about all right he. shouted at me but. i've just made some money off the guy. so then then i understood right. you have to be a villain. or you have to be a. a hero in the sport of boxing. love or hate you can't be in the middle.

i have a lot of fans. and i have a lot of haters both buy. their tickets. both. buy their pay-per-view subscription. to watch on tv. both get online and talk. and build the profile. the guys that are in the middle they're. the guys who don't do well because. when you're neutral in the spot of. boxing people don't tune in they don't. talk they're not interested it doesn't. matter how good of a fight you are if.

you're not a character that can. inspire emotion whether good or bad. then on a saturday night when you get. into the ring. you know the people will be sitting. there. when they get off work or wherever they. are. oh yeah he's fighting tonight but. there's this really hot girl and she's. going to be at this club. yeah i'm going to go to the club i'll. watch the replay or i'll just i'll find. out what happened the next day yeah i. don't need to. that's what happens when you're neutral. or when people aren't really that.

interested. if they hate you. forget the forget the girl in the club. i'm going to that fight to see him get. knocked out. let's go. let's go. forget everything else and if they love. you. forget the girl in the club i want to be. there when he wins. those are the guys love and hate that. will tune in that will watch you every. fight that will talk about you. so that's one thing i learned early on. you have to be you you have to be a. character you have to be something that. people can either get behind or get.

against. and that's very much i feel what i am. um. at the beginning most people were. against me. because they saw me as a gimmick as. somebody was just trying to make a quick. buck use my name to get a better profile. have a few fights and then probably go. on love island or big brother or. whatever it is and you know whatever. but then obviously as the years went by. win after win after win. a lot of the haters turned into fans. um.

there's still a lot of haters left but. you know we're working our way to making. them into fans. uh slowly but surely. quick one we bring in eight people a. month to watch these conversations live. here in the studio when we're here in. the uk and when we're in la if you want. to be one of those people all you've got. to do is hit subscribe. do you feel like your career is complete. and if the answer is no. what do you think is required in terms. of your boxing career. with the knowledge that as you said. before we started that there is a window.

of time where you you get to do this and. you get to do at the highest level. what is required if the answer is no to. make you feel that your your career was. complete. it's an absolute no um. i've had a lot of great fights i've had. a lot of great wins but. um. there's still so much more left you know. there's still so many more big fights. out there for me to to take part in and. to win. um.

you know i want to capture these world. titles. you know i've been a world champion at. super middleweight i'm back down at. middleweight now. um. and you know the the. you know the map is wide open there's. there's a lot of great fighters and they. have belts and i i can get in with these. guys and i can beat these guys. um. you know boxing you do have a short. window. but i live my life. uh correctly i live the boxing lifestyle.

boxing is not just a sport it is a. lifestyle. um. you know outside of a fight camp. i'm not drinking i'm not doing drugs. uh. i'm not overeating and blowing up in. weight which so many fighters do. and then they have to spend weeks or. months cutting that weight back off to. make. whatever weight they're going to be at. on fight night i don't do any of that i. stay in the gym. i stay dedicated i stay healthy.

i stay responsible. so that being said. i will be able to fight until. i will be able to fight effectively and. i would say until i'm 37 38 39 years old. um i'm 32 now. you know my father retired at they too. i'm so i'm retirement isn't even close. to what i'm thinking about. you know i am financially stable.

but there's still so much more money out. there to be made. there's still so much more accolades out. there to collect. um and i still have a lot left in the. tank so. to answer your question no my career is. not. um complete. far from it even even though i've had 34. fights you know. more fights than a lot of fighters have. had and 32 wins is still not complete. there's still so much more i'm gonna do.

and the next few years. are the money years and they are the. years where i need to fight the best. beat the best. and really cement my legacy. we have a closing tradition on this. podcast where the last guest asks the. next guest a question they never know. who they're writing it for. they said hello which is the first time. anyone said hello but. hello i was wondering. what you believe happiness is. and how it can be achieved.

um. well as i said before i'm an extremely. happy person i may not look it at times. but i'm very content. um. i don't get angry i don't shout i don't. put other people down. i don't wish bad on other people. um if someone's successful if someone's. doing better than me. i look up to that. i praise that i respect that. you know.

other people they see people succeeding. or doing better than them and they think. oh you know. i wish he would trip up. you know why has he got all that why is. why is she doing that and i can't do it. don't be like that. you can never be happy if you're. constantly comparing yourself to other. people and. you know. not wanting the best for everybody. including yourself. you know it's a mirror life's a mirror. you know. whatever you're projecting is is.

projected back to you if you if if. you're negative that's what your life is. going to be. and that's whether it's thoughts so. that's whether it's tweets that's. whether it's what you're saying to. people. everything comes back around. you know. so happiness is. is positivity. is being a good person. is being a genuine person. um. you know don't lie to people.

if if you think something's wrong say it. you know if you if you think that. somebody's doing something wrong or. that they're on the wrong path help them. because you're helping yourself. you know. be positive that's the key to happiness. chris thank you for doing this it's been. a huge honor and i can't wait to see. what you do over the next couple of. years. in your money years. in and outside of the ring. and i thank you for giving me the.

opportunity because yeah there's not a. lot of people that that do get to see. this side of me you know all they see is. the big bad guy in the ring he's. throwing punches you know. i don't do a lot of interviews like this. so yeah i appreciate you uh putting me. on here and. hopefully the fans get to see a. different side. i had a few words to say about one of my. sponsors on this podcast my girlfriend. came upstairs yesterday when i was. having a shower and she said to me that. she tried the heel protein shake which. lives on my fridge over there and she. said it's amazing low calories you get. your 20 odd grams of protein you get.

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