Why World Leaders Think Trump's an Idiot: Rothkopf | The Daily Beast Podcast

And then Trump showed up today in Davos and he gave a speech. was so offensive to the crowd. Europe does not trust us anymore. Europe does not trust the US and NATO. Americans need to remember. Europe's the same size as US as an economy. But also Europe has the ability to focus on China, to focus on others. in the world in a way that really changes the equation for the United States. So it was a fiasco. It was a mess. Trump was embarrassing. Trump was offensive.

Trump was a bore. Trump was an idiot. I'm Joanna Coles, this is the Daily Beast podcast. And what on earth is happening amid. the boiling vats of fondue. in that tiny little town in Switzerland where I have never been? The president descended somewhat gingerly from Air Force One. and delivered a humdinger of a speech where he was basically. equal opportunity, insulting everybody he could think of.

Who knows if anybody wrote that speech or if it was just one of his weaves? But we have David Rothkopf here. to dissect it and debrief on it for us. Who better? David was the editor of Foreign Policy magazine. He worked for the Commerce Department. So let's get into it. David Rothkopf, what are we doing here in the States? We should be in Davos eating bubbling cauldrons of fondue.

Okay, first of all, fondue sucks. And and and I used to host. a fondue dinner in Davos every year. You did and every every year. And I was there's this one little shop there that's a restaurant. That's the big Davos restaurant at the big, you know, place to go. And I would get the back room and I would host this dinner there. And every year I thought, fondue is terrible I love I love fondue. David before we get into the meat and potatoes of Trump's speech, and then,

of course, the Gavin Newsom of it all in the new campaigning ground, I want you to set a little bit of the scene. for us of Davos, because I know you were the ultimate Davos man. At one point, you were there for the State Department. I'm assuming you were there. for when you were the editor of Foreign Policy magazine. So I and I've never been I'm always I would be terrified of slipping. and breaking something on the snow. But I need more details about what it's actually like.

Well, first of all, I never work for the State Department. I work for the Commerce Department. I always get that wrong. I always get that wrong. Why do I do that? Because I feel like. But I, you know, I was there. when I was managing director of Kissinger Associates. I was there with foreign policy. I was there for many, many, many years. And, you know, the way it was described, you know, is this sort of mountain retreat where people would get together. and, and hobnob and do deals is a little misleading.

In fact, I remember once talking to Eric Schmidt, who was, you know, the founding. CEO of Google, and he said, you know, every time I come to Davos, I'm. pretty sure that somewhere and some hotel, some big deal is being done. But it's never where I am. So, so, you know, full of FOMO. It's full of FOMO. But but, you know, it's a lot of strutting your stuff. I remember going down the stairs at Davos and watching people. look at your badge to see whether you were important enough.

And I turned to somebody who happened to be next to me was, a finance minister from another country. I said, now. I know a Dolly Parton feels like because, no, nobody looks me in the eye. Everybody looks you in the chest. Well, I think isn't it full of high price escorts? I mean, someone once told me that all the escorts. from Europe just hone in on their roles. A lot of kind of Russian and East European escorts there.

But that was you know, that was a demi monde on a demi monde. Let's, let's focus that, you know, this, this, all these people, you know, are there in the hopes of doing a deal, being seen, wanting to be perceived as being somebody who's in on the action. But the reality is there was never really that much action going on there. And it's had a couple of bad years now. There was a story in the Wall Street Journal. this week which said Davos is back because Trump is back.

And I don't know who planted that story Steven Chung. or one of these for well, good for them. But the but the reality is people showed up at Davos this year. because they are terrified of Trump. They are terrified. But he's doing to markets, to their businesses, to, to the, transatlantic relationship. And, you know, as it turned out, they had every reason to be, terrified. But my final point about Davos is this.

it's cold and unpleasant. You are absolutely right. Not they don't shovel the sidewalks because people who live in Davos. go with their skis or their sleds, and they like to pull them. along on the sidewalk. So everything is covered with ice and snow and on a regular basis, you see bankers and government ministers fly up into the air. and land on the pavement, flopping around like seals about to be club.

As big because. it's it's just a really unpleasant place to be. Now, there's a story in the paper today saying it's also too. small traffic jams, too much security. And so they're thinking of moving it. And they listed two places, Dubai, which I kind of understand. That almost makes some sense. Or Detroit, which makes no sense. Well, also cold, also cold and much easier for the Americans.

Well, easier for the Americans. But Davos was never about the Americans. Davos originally was about the Europeans. It started in the 70s, as primarily a European thing. And then it was about multinationals. And people should never mistake big U.S. corporations as being American. They're multinational. They are they're dealing with their community.

at Davos, and people have more in common. with other multinationals than they do with their home countries. And so that's why you get, you know, you get a lot of policies. that may not have been in the US interest being promoted because ultimately, they were in the interests of these big companies. who were the agenda setters and who are the agenda setters. Okay. So you must be missing being there and and being at the center of everyone. and people staring at people staring at you.

Amazing that not tell me. You told me once a very funny anecdote at the time that was happening around, Black Lives Matter. Can you just remember what it was? I want you to share it with people because it was you. So when I was the C, C or an editor of Foreign Policy magazine, we were to host a lunch with the Washington Post, which was part of the same group, and you would have all these sort of big shots together. And I remember at one, I and I can tell you when it was 2017,

and I was hosting one table and Marty Banner. and the editor of Washington Post was hosting another. And I think Lally Weymouth, who was affiliated with the family that owned it, was hosting another. and and at like at my table or the right next to me. because everybody was jammed in was, Jamie. Dimon, the CEO of JP Morgan. And then I'm right next to him. At the next table was David Rubenstein, the billionaire from Carlyle Group.

And somebody. started talking about Black Lives Matter. And I think David Rubenstein was the one who leaned. forward to turn to Jamie Dimon and at that point said, what about us billionaire Lives Matter to? And that was. that was so good, so good. This is this is the off Asian people think is happening and downvote this. And it was actually happening at Davos.

It's what a what a great anecdote. Billionaires lives matter to. Don't let's tell Zoran Mamdani that all right. So let's get into the vote. And the dolphin was of Trump's speech. And my favorite, like most I've been very, very smart, very smart. That's not how he speaks, but it's me trying to differentiate. And actually several commentators, on YouTube wrote in and said,

I've got to stop doing, Donald Trump with an English accent when I quote him. because it makes him sound too intelligent. So I'm going to try and do it in the very bad American accent. But I show up for these podcasts every week or so. because of your impression. All right. So tell me what what what was he talking about? What was going on there? Well, I mean, again, let's set the stage. The US decided this was going to be a big deal. He was going to be a big deal. They took over what I think.

was a former little church along the street turned it into USA House. We're having events there. Scott Bezzant was speaking there. The cabinet was out in force and was last night. So, you know, today's Wednesday. So, Tuesday night, Tuesday night in Davos, Howard Lutton. was giving a speech that was hosted by Larry Fink of Blackrock. And like Nick was, you know, lightning is a loose cannon to begin with.

He'd, he totally out of his depth in this job. And he's kind of thuggish and he's ridiculously loyal to Trump. And he started getting up. and insulting the Europeans Trump style, but without the finesse. And I use the term, but I was like, okay. Yeah, but he doesn't have any. He also was like, we need to go back to coal, and we need to. and and people Europeans started booing him at this dinner. And people like Christine Lagarde, who's the head of the European Central Bank,

who is the most poised, experienced. international states person I know walked out. They just walked out. So things were going badly. And then Trump showed up today and he gave a speech. in which he thought the big headline was going to be that he. kind of sort of. renounced the use of force to take Greenland. But the rest of the speech was.

so offensive to the crowd. You know, you you're to a bunch of Europeans, you'd all be speaking German if it wasn't for us. And then, you know, you know, we. we gave Greenland back to the Danes and that was stupid of us. And, and and Greenland is just a piece of ice. And it's all my ask. And, you know, we're going to get it. And if we don't get it, you know, or else. And there is this big implied economic or else tariffs.

and other kinds of things would be imposed upon them. And he was a racist and he was talking about how Somalis are a low IQ people. And, and he was. he was making up complete nonsense about the U.S. economy and he was talking about Venezuela as though it were something. to be proud of. It was as though the United States seizing the oil assets of another country. and putting them into a secret bank account in Qatar,

which only Trump control was something to be proud of. And and, you know, he said, all the big oil companies are going in there. But we know Exxon. Exxon said when Trump got them together, this is an investable country. And, you know, he's he's having a meeting tomorrow there about, the peace board for Gaza, which he mentioned. And but meanwhile he invited Putin on the peace board. And then the big news, breaking news today was he invited.

Bibi Netanyahu. to be on him, this this peace board. You know, the butcher of Gaza, like, hey, you come and join. the peace board is now starting to look a little bit like, I don't know if you remember this scene. in the James Bond movie specter, where all the heads of specter. get together in this opera house, and I think it was in Germany. But it's starting to look like a bunch of bond. villains, and Trump's charging them each $1 billion.

And where's the billion going to go? And is it going to go to a Jared Kushner? You know, casino project on the Gaza coast? And what will happen to the Gazans? Who cares? So, so like from beginning to end, the speech was offensive. It was a fiasco. Markets responded badly. Immediately after the speech, the European Union announced, because Trump was threatening tariffs if the Europeans don't go along.

with giving Greenland to the US, the European Union. pulled out of the trade deal. that they negotiated with the United States said that's on hold. because if you're going to change the terms. every time something comes up, then we don't really have a deal. You know, markets are skittish, stock markets up a little bit, but other markets are highly skittish here. And and you know, I think finally and most importantly, as, as big a fiasco as it is politically as as.

as as embarrassing as Trump was for his ignorance. and is slurring his words and his low energy and all of that. This is really a historical watershed. For a hundred years, the US has made building. transatlantic relationship the foundation of peace. and prosperity for us and for many, many people in the world. And it's over. Yeah, Europe does not trust us anymore.

Europe does not trust the US and NATO. No one thinks they can count on NATO, the trade agreements. The cooperation is, is, is in trouble and there are threats. of retaliations and, economic bazookas. And I think Americans need to remember. Europe's the same size as us as an economy. Europe not only is big and important and leading in a lot of key technologies, but also Europe has the ability to focus on China, to focus on others.

in the world in a way that really changes the equation for the United States. So it was a fiasco. It was a mess. Trump was embarrassing. Trump was offensive. Trump was a bore. Trump was an idiot. But this is also a bright red line in history. And the world is not the world. that it was when you woke up this morning. And it only promises to get worse and worse.

And I just think all of us listening need to go. Holy shit. Is just, I mean, I grew up in Europe. I have lots of European friends and family still, and they're all saying, we cannot believe that Europe's biggest ally has now. turning into an adversary, both militarily, potentially, which obviously brings around, the end of NATO and also economically. But but what we're seeing out of this, a new world leaders. Right. So we have Mark Carney speech about middle powers, which I want you to.

to talk about, too. We have, the great crested crane of Gavin Newsom. strutting around, sensing opportunity. He's now pecking at opportunities there. And then we also had and I want you to talk about this, too, Donald Trump picking on certain European leaders, Macron being one that he, you know, taunted, because Macron refused to write the $1 billion check for his piece board.

And also the prime minister of Switzerland, who he said. rubbed him the wrong way. So so can we dissect each of those? And it feels like Mark Carney is emerging. as the the sane leader of the West. Well, look, Mark Carney has the advantage that he's located. directly next to the United States. Stand next to Trump. Anybody will look sane. But the reality is, Mark Carney is an incredibly gifted guy,

was the head of the Bank of England before he ran the Central bank in Canada, before he became the prime Minister of Canada. A really brilliant guy, and he's quite low. key, and his oratorical style is not great. But what he said in the speech was. not he said, this is not a transition. This is a rupture right in the world. It's a rupture in the world. Really important. because a lot of people have said, you know, and this has been the way.

a lot of people in the press have been writing. Well, we're sliding in this way. And that. we've crossed the line. And that's what Mark Carney is saying. And why? Because the US is now a threat. Canada's biggest friend is now a threat that we have. There were stories in the paper yesterday, of the Canadians. are now planning for what they would do if they were invaded by the US,

and saying that they would try to figure out how to conduct. guerrilla resistance like the US faced in Afghanistan. and have people out there with improvised explosive devices. And so this is crazy. But Canada is taken seriously because Trump's not backing down. He did go into Venezuela. He is threatening huge economic pressure to go into Greenland. He changes his mind and force, but he could change it back and forth.

It's crazy. So Trump insults him and says, well, the Canadians, they're not grateful. You know, we're going to build this golden dome and they'll benefit. Well, you know, I've said this on here before, the Golden Dome is a fantasy. If you talk to anybody. who's a nuclear armed specialist, they will tell you it can't be done. You can't build that kind of shield for the United States, at least not with the current technologies that we have. But more importantly, Trump, you know, Trump like to be a bully.

And he was like, well, you know, Canada, you know, you better. You better tell your leader the next time he gives a speech. like that to watch out, because we're coming for him. And he did the same thing going after Macron. He made fun of Macron for giving a speech with sunglasses, on which Macron did because he has an eye infection. He did look cool, though. Only a French president could have pulled that off as well. This kind of blue tint to them, which is fabulous.

And also he's got that tremendous accent. But I'm being facetious, obviously, before people write in. and say I'm trivializing, which is what is clearly a very serious moment. Well, it's one thing, Macron was was just seemed like. the worst kind of bullying playground bullying. Well, that he did. But, you know, he did the same thing with the Danes. We did a lot for the Danes. The Danes did nothing for us. The Danes were the first people to respond after 911.

You know, the the only time article five has ever been invoked. in the history of NATO. They're like, okay, we're here for you. Send our troops. They lost lives of Danish troops protecting the US. Responding to 9/11, the Danes were critical. in a whole host of intelligence cooperation with the US. We're leading the way in a lot of those things. Trump is an ignoramus and he's a bully. And he went after the sweet, the Swiss, and he went after other Europeans.

He you know, he said, well, you know, I talk to my friends about Europe. and it's just it's not the same. You know, I know because he's stuck in 1965. Well, he's stuck. Yeah. I mean he does it I mean, I don't know, you know, what. what he is referring to, he's never liked Europe. He's always he's always been a little, you know, fond of Eastern Europe. We could talk about that if you like. But he's never liked Western Europe that much. And, and, you know, he was he was going after them here.

and it's, it's very clear, you know, this guy has done more. He's wanted to damage NATO and blow it up since the last term. Right. He mentioned it, you know, he told Mark Esper, the secretary of defense, to pull troops out of Germany. Esper said no, you know, they found ways around all of this. They moved the troops from Germany and to Poland. So we didn't lose the leverage that that we had. But he doesn't have anybody like that around him.

No, they all snapped to attention. Whenever he says something twice, they do it. So, David, David, one of the things that that people. are beginning to say, which you have said for many years at this point, which is that Europe may not be the same, but Trump is not the same. either, that Trump is, you know, cognitively slipping. We can see it in plain sight. He's been in the public eye long enough for us to have comparisons. with his first administration with ten years ago, with 20 years ago.

He's definitely not the same. Even Tom Friedman in the New York Times today said, is he a mad king? He is a mad king. Do you think there is? I mean, there's a rupture in the world order that may have been. a rupture in Trump's brain, but but do you think there is also. now an understanding and a panic among the ruling class? Perhaps I should say that that Trump is there's something wrong with him,

that it's time. I believe. that everybody who is looking at this objectively. thinks there's something wrong with Trump, whether he's had a neurological incident or he's had a series. of neurological incidents, or he's entering into a phase of dementia like his father did who had Alzheimer's. And we know that that's, you know, genetically passed. on, to, to within families,

or whether it's just aging or whether it's too many cheeseburger. I don't know, I don't know what it is, but Trump is certainly not the Trump. He was a year ago, and he's not the Trump he was ten years ago. And, you know, he wasn't so great to start out with. Right? I mean, he was a big, fat, guy. who who never took care of himself even back then. But he is he has declined. the notion that, you know, he is now, mad king or that he is now a threat.

I find that I personally have a little bit of trouble with it. I don't want to pat myself on the back. There's nothing that bugs me more than the social media culture of I told you so, but there were a lot of us ten years ago who said, this is where it's going to go if you elect this idiot, you know, and you know. when I say a lot of us, I mean, everybody who lived in New York City, anybody who read The Village Voice in the articles by Wayne Barrett.

in the 1980s, anybody who watched this guy go bankrupt over and over again, 66 times, anybody who listened to Barbara Walters interview with him. when he talked about being president in the early 1990s, everybody knew it. I wrote in an editorial in 2016 saying, the biggest threat the United States faces. is candidate Trump. You know, and when I was the editor of Foreign Policy,

which we had never written an editorial like that, but we felt compelled to do it. I wrote an editorial in the Washington Post in 2017. saying, the biggest threat the United States faces is Donald Trump. The problem was everybody else, and a lot of the mainstream media and a lot of big businesses were like, well, if we say that he'll be offended, let's go along with it. How bad could it be? There will be guard rails. People. Well, the guard rails are gone. The Republican establishment has abandoned ship.

They're on their knees before their king saying, yes, sir. How high sir? And and and and the the business. establishment, many of them are going along with them. If I were going to say there is one little silver. lining that I have seen in the past 24 hours in Davos, it's that the Europeans who. have really had a hard time.

since there, you know, was the idea first posed of a united Europe. in coming together on anything, are finally recognizing that you've got to stand up to Trump. and and you know that you've got to be tough. and that the head of the EU and the foreign Ministry, people from the EU. and the head of the European Central Bank and the head of a lot of these countries. and, you know, are saying, no, we're not going along with it. The Germans are saying, no, we won't be on the peace, for.

the French are saying, no, we won't be on the peace board. They're pulling out of these trade. This is the the US guardrails have give it out. So fortunately there's some in the world that are emerging. So it was Gavin Newsom right to go I mean he's obviously. planting his flag for 2027 ism. I gotta tell you, you know, and I'll take one step back from it because, you know, I know your background and you have been a trendsetter.

And you, you, you, you understand what's cool in the world. And the core definition of cool. is not caring about right. You're not cool if you're trying to be cool. And the core with becoming a presidential candidate. is not looking like you're trying so hard. And Gavin Newsom is trying so hard. He is trying every angle. I'm going to go and attack Trump, for which we applaud.

He's been very tough on that. I'm going to go and play to the Joe Rogan crowd, which is gross and disgusting in the Ben Shapiro's and the others, but he's like, I'm, you know, I'll do whatever it takes. And so he goes off to Davos and you know, God. love him, you know for speaking out against Trump. But you know you say him. What kind of bird did you say was. a gray crested crane which has a sort of plume of hair. like Governor Newsom, which I know shouldn't matter.

But Donald Trump's hair oddly matters. He understood, even though it looks like a sort of candyfloss, a settled or. what are those things that blow down, Texas roads that. No, nothing else on tumble? Wait, that a tumbleweed to somehow blown and settled itself on his head. He understands that it's recognition and that nothing matters more than recognition. as a as a candidate. If I were if I were asked to nominate a bird, I would say Gavin. Newsom is a preening peacock.

and he wants attention. And, you know, frankly, we need all the voices. we can to speak out against Trump. So God bless and keep it up. But spare us this guy as the Democratic nominee. Do you think that? But do you think that Gretchen Whitmer and J.B. Pritzker and Wes Moore in Maryland and Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania. are sitting thinking, damn, why didn't my team say you should be in Davos?

This is going to be a moment. You need to be there. No, I don't think they are because Davos is followed by a narrow group of people. And there's some people reading a story about it in the Washington Post. And nobody nobody is reading a story about it. No, but you say that. But don't you know the Daily Bugle? I mean, it's just not. But, David, as the founder of Deep State Radio, you know that this is all about opportunistic clips. on YouTube and Instagram and Gavin Newsom is everywhere that now.

Well, this is all. he has for a moment. The reality is this. And I really think people need to keep this in mind. for a three out of the last four Democratic. presidential winners. Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama were nowhere. as candidates two years before they were elected. Joe Biden won, but frankly, everybody thought he was nowhere.

We are way too early to know because for all the reasons. you just talked about and YouTube and Instagram and, and, and and, and various other social media challenges, the channels. the the the the the reality is that. there's these guys changes all the time. And so the candidate who's going to win is going to be the one who comes out. and gets the zeitgeist right a lot closer to Election Day.

And so, you know, my my sense is, you know, people are going to do horse races throughout this year. It might be. one of those people, but it could just as easily be somebody. who the Democrats win in the House and they hold hearings and all of a sudden. somebody becomes a star, or Trump sends troops into some city. and some mayor or some governor stands in front of a statehouse building. or turns away ice or gets arrested and then writes a letter.

from some jail someplace, and, and and that person will emerge as a hero. And I would I would just keep an eye out. for the person you know, for whom lightning strikes. in the social media world closer to Election Day. Okay. Well, from your lips to YouTube's ears, it's it's a really remarkable moment.

It's a remarkable moment. And and also, the thing I found very strange was, Lindsey Graham, who, you know, a ridiculous figure. at this point who's gone from calling Trump sort of tutti frutti Trump. to now being he couldn't be more obsequious, saying that, NATO hasn't worked that the last 80 years of peace organized, you know, from world War Two onwards hasn't worked. And you're like, what are you talking about?

I mean, they're just it's really remarkable. Yeah. If Lindsey Graham got a phone call from Donald Trump or Caroline Leavitt or. whoever it is that calls Lindsey Graham, and they said, Lindsey, we want you to go on national television and say that the president's. balls smell like a field of lavender in the south of France, like Lindsey Graham would say it. Well, he would say, when can I go? How fast can I get to the studio?

Yeah, but that's his role. You know, his role is to say, oh, yeah, no idiocy. You know, this is where whatever the the president. says, space aliens took over all the brains of the Democrats. I think we should investigate that. I wonder if Marco Rubio and J.D. Vance are talking to each other and going, Dear God, how long, how much longer do we have to put up with this? Or if they're, sharpening their elbows to go after each other? I mean, it just seems like they're putting that out.

We saw the first. when we saw the first shot. fired in the Republican presidential. Campaign to succeed Trump this week. because USA. Vance announced she's having her fourth child, you know, say, and this is like, you know, this is J.D. Vance saying family values. And my wife, who should be deeply offended. by the fact that I insult her,

country of origin and everybody like her and anybody else. who is brand, is willing to sleep with me and have another baby. And so we're not getting divorced, you know, here we are, making a bigger family. You know, this this this is him campaign. And, I'm sure Marco. Rubio is trying to think of the appropriate countermove as we speak. Well, perhaps he could adopt David Beckham's son. Well, that kid wants out, man.

I mean, I don't know what the Beckhams did to Brooklyn Beckham, but he wants out of that family bad. He really. He's doing that thing that a lot of the kids. are doing these days where he just goes for a total cut off from family, which seems very dramatic. But, that's also a fascinating rupture in celebrity culture. in a celebrity life that, that people can't get enough. It may not be quite as consequential as the rupture between the United States.

and our European allies, but it is another road. It's definitely a rupture. But I'm sure that David Beckham is at home whipping up some delicious potato. dish that his wife will not eat because she wants the David Beckham documentary. What he's probably doing is he's on his knees in his skivvies. scrubbing the the cooktop. because he does seem to have a bit of an OCD thing. Yes, I know, see well. And also going around wiping the tops of candles, which is something I didn't know you were supposed to do,

that was that was quite a helpful hint from that show. Well, David Rothkopf, it's never dull speaking to you. I'm sorry we're not dipping large, carby slivers of, whatever bread is the best for soaking up funding. Well, come to come to Washington and we will host a fondue party for you. Excellent. And all of your Washington admirers. And we'll say. And we'll just we'll be a very small crowd, David. It'll be a small bunch of us huddled around a pot of bubbling fondue.

I am sure that when you look into the comments following. this, this little venture into YouTube, there will be millions of volunteers. who want to dip big chunks of bread. into bubbling cheese. And here you do your Melanie. Oh thank you, thank you. Well that's not that's not Melania can't channel Melania today. Well David always a always a joy to talk to you. And I mean, who knows what happens next.

What an extraordinary moment. But I'm very glad that we have you to decode it for us. And and the last. 25 years of Davos look like they were just washed away on the sand, that the tides have moved in. and how they couldn't happen to a nicer group of people. As far as I'm concerned, if Davos disappeared tomorrow. the world would not in any way be diminished. On that note, David, on that note.

All right. We will see you very shortly, I hope. And I can't recommend Deep State Radio your entire media network. Highly enough. You keep people go to go to Deep State Radio on YouTube. Subscribe to Deep State Radio on YouTube. It's the fastest growing part of what we're doing. And you'll get, you know, one of the benefit of Joanna, though, Joanna, you should come on there, too. I'd love to. Come on. You've never invited me. You've never invited me. This is a meditation that's not a follow up. Okay. Follow up. In the next week or two, we'll have you, grace our stage.

And people can then go, also to DSR network. If you want to subscribe to the podcast the old fashioned way or go to YouTube, and get it there. But David Rothkopf and Deep State Radio, unafraid to speak truth to power. David, thank you. I love. talking to David Rothkopf because he's funny and he's got a sense of. perspective, but he also has a sense of how fucking serious this is right now.

This is a rupture. Mark Carney is right. Europe's biggest ally, America for the last 80 years. has become its destabilizing adversary. And it is a real moment in in the global order of things. And and frankly, Donald Trump. does seem to be a government of one, as he's always telling us, he will decide it's his morality that will tell him when to stop.

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