Why Prince Harry Says King’s Aides ‘Want Me Dead’

Hello, I'm Joanna Coles, the chief content. officer of The Daily Beast. And today marks the first day that we're. bringing The Daily Beast podcast to the new abnormal feed. Regular listeners will know that the new abnormal was launched. as a series to grapple with the crazy days of the early COVID. era and quickly developed into sharp, lively commentary, thanks most recently to the terrific Andy Levy. and Danielle Moody, who are going on to create their own new podcast.

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that you should expect from The Daily Beast. So now, I'm joined by The Daily Beast's executive editor, Hugh Doherty. He's a favorite on The Daily Beast podcast, because he knows exactly what's going on minute by minute, second by second. Hugh, what is going on in the world of politics? I feel since I saw you 10 minutes ago, the world has probably already changed. Oh my god, Joanna, there's been so much. I can't even begin to pack it into three episodes, never mind one.

But congratulations on the new show. It's going to be amazing. But let's dive into the world of Trump. We're not the only people with a new show going on. Donald Trump is as well. As you know, he celebrated 100 days of his presidency, last week, and now it's day 106, if you're listening, on Tuesday. And it's a really interesting time, because I think what Donald Trump is doing. is he's trying to come up with a new format for his show too. So it's season two.

It's season two. Season two of season two. And someone--. Waltz has already been voted off the island. We've had a firing or a voting offer, whatever you want to call it. Although Mike Waltz, who was the national security adviser, who accidentally added a journalist. to his secret signal chat, has been nominated to be. the ambassador to the United Nations, some people in the Trump administration. say officially that that is a promotion, including among them, J.D. Vance.

But none of them will say that behind closed doors, because of course, it is not a promotion at all. And it's also--. Nels Gavell pointed out in the Daily Beast, actually, in a very thoughtful piece that actually ate out. of the last 10 ambassadors to the UN have been women, whereas actually, I think nine out of the 10 security. advisers to the president have been met. So this is actually a girly drug. Far be it from me to offer gender--.

I can say that you can't--. --eat gender barriers to jobs. But yes, Nels' observation was absolutely right. And she rightly pointed out that it probably. wasn't Joe Biden or Barack Obama or George W. Bush, who were making it out to be a girl job. But it certainly was Donald J. Trump. And he had previously tried to give it to his own daughter, Ivanka. Now, also--. Of course. --in the reality show--. Hold on, hold on. Can I just throw one more thing? So I'm assuming that because it's a Senate confirmation job,

the Senate will do the actual dirty work of questioning. or interrogating Mike Walsh about actually. what went on with the signal chat in a way. that Donald Trump hasn't had to. Yes, this could be really embarrassing for Mike Walsh. All his signal secrets that he hasn't leaked himself. are going to come out. We're going to see a lot of emojis, maybe some fire. ones, from the Democrats. And what we're also going to get is one of the most bizarre. spectacles of Trump world. But what does Trump love more than anything else? He just loves the show. And inflicting that on Mike Walsh is going to be, for him,

just part of the entertainment. So he may well be confirmed by the Senate, but he will have gone through humiliating questions. from the Democratic senators too, on the committee. Absolutely. This is a chance for them to really get into how on earth. do you accidentally add a journalist to signal chat. And just for the record, please, add me to your signal chat. I'm easy to find. You can find my number on the internet. Just let you can find Pete Hexeth. And unlike Pete Hexeth, I don't have any secrets to tell you.

But please, tell me your secrets. I don't believe you don't have any secrets. I'm sure you do. Not official ones, Joanna. You all busy to tell people, though. That's true. And you do it very well. All right. What else is going on? I think that there's been another big shift. in the world of finance, correct? Again, this is another episode of the reality here. And it's one that I don't think Donald Trump has liked. or is going to admit to not liking. Warren Buffett, who is by any measure, the man Americans.

would trust most with their money. And he's one who Donald Trump does trust with his own money. Donald Trump is a shareholder in Berkshire Hathaway. Warren Buffett's legendary conglomerate invested company. That Warren Buffett, as many people have noticed on Saturday, he suddenly stepped down as CEO. Not unexpected. He's 94, but a very dramatic way to do it. He addressed his annual shareholders meeting. and said that he was going to hand--.

recommend that the board hand over his job to Greg Agil. Abel, who's been his designated successor. Now, what he also did before that was to take aim at Donald. Trump very directly answering a question about tariffs. And as we can hear now, this language was very, very pointed. Trade can be an act of war. And I think it's led to bad things. Just the attitudes it's brought out. And for Warren Buffett to say, trade is not a weapon,

was really a weapon directed straight at Donald Trump. And if that isn't enough of a dagger to the heart, in the front row, clapping as this was said, was Hillary Clinton of all--. And the meeting that goes on, the annual general meeting, a lot of people attend, correct? Yes, huge numbers of people attend. Tim Cook or Tim Apple, as he's known to the president, was there. Bill Ackman, the outspoken hedge fund investor.

Bobby Kotick, who's a tech investor who, in many ways, is one of the voices of Silicon Valley, was there. And I noticed, had lost a lot of weight. I saw Bobby about six weeks ago, and he had lost. an enormous amount of weight. So to my own personal obsessions about GLP ones, I think Bobby Kotick has probably got some familiarity with them. He would certainly, as an investor, know about their impact. I think we can safely say.

I know that's always been running a lot. He's been running 100 bars a day. Joanna, I would never seek to diagnose you. I know Stephen Chong has. I ghost you as having TDS in your pea-sized brain. Of course, that's a medical insight. that is a matter of your privacy. But same thing for Bobby Kotick. Yes. Sorry, I'm calling you out, Bobby. The interesting thing about people who are on GLP ones. is though it's very evident to everybody.

that they've had dramatic weight loss. So I don't think I'm pointing out anything. that anybody else hasn't said, because if you've seen him, I saw him last year, sat next to him at a dinner last year, saw him six weeks ago. The change was dramatic. Anyway, good for Bobby Kotick. There's been change in the country. There's been change everywhere. There has. And then, of course, there was an interesting interview. that Trump did at the weekend with Kristen Welker, where he talked about not running for 2028, but now he seems to think that actually he might pass it.

on to someone else. Yeah. And this was, again, a fascinating bit of reality. television, because everybody had been wondering, what's Trump doing about the third term? And he said, people have just been keep asking him to run again. We don't really know if anybody has, obviously. Grown men, tears in their eyes have come up to him saying, sir, sir, please run again. But it's prohibited by the Constitution. It's really simple.

You cannot have a third term. He did, in fact, create a whole new conflict. by saying that the most likely successors were JD Vans, not a big surprise, because he's vice president, and Marco Rubio. Marco Rubio already has Mike Waltz's job. He's also the official archivist. He's the secretary of state, and he's running USAID. So this would give him a fifth job of running for president. And of course, in Trump world, this is great, because now there's two people who are going to be going head.

to head, not just in the next 100 days, but for almost three years. And what does Trump loves this show? And he's going to love watching. So it's the great American political bake-off. It is the great political bake-off. I'm going to offer you-- there's another witty show. that is offering itself as a comparison, and that's Monty Python. And this is quite a surprising intervention.

And it's one that I would just--. Tuesday is the day that we publish our must-read newsletter, The Swamp. I just urge everybody, go to Daily Beast, sign up to The Swamp. It comes out every Tuesday afternoon. So now is the time to get the most amazing gossip and insight. in your-- direct your inbox. But what's going on in DC from our team there? And our team around the world. Everybody contributes, because Trump touches everything. It's all the gossip.

It's all the ooze you can use. All the ooze you can use. That's fantastic. I haven't actually heard that. That's very good. In The Swamp this week is an intervention. from John Cleese, who, of course, was one of the co-creators. of Monty Python. And he has said that he's comparing the Trump. administration not just to Monty Python, but he says it would have been too extreme for Monty Python. He says, if Monty Python had written a farce. about hopeless administration, we would not.

have had, as the first man filed for a serious security. lapse, the national security advisor. We did not know that's pushing it too far. Nobody would believe it. So as John entals his second 100 days, that's the kind of celebrity endorsement that you really want. And you certainly wouldn't have thought. that the head of Homeland Security. would have had her bag stolen from under her seat. in the Capitol Burger restaurant with a security guard.

on either side of us. You would have not. But we now know that there is something. that might happen to that perpetrator. Donald Trump has obviously been looking for TV formats. And he's found a new one, Prison Break. He wants to bring back Alcatraz. El Salvador was not enough. Trump, as we all know, kind of peak boomer. His references do tend to go back to the '50s and '60s. Alcatraz closed in 1962.

It's been a tourist destination that I think everybody. has been to. Now he wants to bring it back and use it as a prison. to bring to what he says to bring down crime. So if you are considering committing any federal fail. on these, be aware you could be the next birdman of Alcatraz. Or, as Trump says, that he can pick--. he's often talks about the late great Alfonso Capone, who. of course was, without doubt, the most famous. inmate in Alcatraz. That's right.

And of course, you'll write about his references. Anyway, Hugh, you'll be back regularly with updates. from the madness. Subscribe to The Swamp for the latest ooze you can use. I love that expression. And, Hugh, I'll see you back in the newsroom in a few minutes. And I can guarantee you the world will have changed. unrecognisably the next time I see you, Joanna. I'm very excited now to be talking to one of our favorite. correspondents, Tom Sykes. Today marks the 80th anniversary of VE Day, the end.

of World War II in Europe. Across Britain, crowds gathered at Buckingham Palace. to witness the pomp and the ceremony, honoring that historic moment. King Charles, Prince William, and Kate. appeared on the balcony drawing by their children. in a carefully orchestrated show of unity and tradition. One figure, of course, was conspicuously absent. that of Prince Harry. Despite being one of the only living royals. to have seen active military service,

Harry was not invited. Instead, just days ago, he gave a blistering BBC interview. that reignited his tensions with the royal family. Palace aides reportedly told the media. they didn't want any Harry-shaped distractions. from today's long-plan celebration. With that backdrop, we turn to the interview. that now casts a shadow over what should have been. a moment of national reflection. And I'm joined by the Daily Beast's European editor. at large, the great Tom Sykes.

He's our brain's trust when it comes to all things royal. Tom, it's great to have you. Thanks very much, Joanna. It's great to be here. Well, we're very excited to have you. And I want to go back to basics, really, which is what is Harry complaining about. and what was this particular appeal about? So this court case was supposedly all about his security. So when Harry and Meghan stepped back from royal duties in 2020,

they said they wanted a hybrid model. They wanted to be part-time royals, part-time private citizens. The Queen rejected that idea. They left fully. They moved to North America. They signed the lucrative deals with Netflix and Spotify. And just Tom, can you just remind us how lucrative they were? Because they were pretty lucrative, weren't they? Yeah, I mean, look, Netflix is thought to... The figure of 100 million has been thrown around. I think in reality, that's what it could be.

But, you know, as with all production deals, that's contingent on delivering hits. They did deliver one huge hit. So I'm sure they got paid well for the Harry and Meghan documentary. Maybe not so much money coming out of the polo film, or as ever. But the book was huge. I mean, it was the fastest-selling book of all time. I think it was faster selling even than the art of the deal. It could well be. I mean, look, let's not be about the bush. Those guys, you know, can make it in the afternoon.

What the rest of us can, you know, make in a lifetime. Do you know what I mean? So, like, they've made a lot of money. They've been very successful. But is it then when you're in the world of Montecito, is it a lot of money? I mean, I don't know, compared to what, you know, I get the feeling that they're the poor guys on the block up there. But the point is that he lost his UK security privileges. And which meant that basically in the old days,

whenever Harry was in the UK, whenever he went anywhere, he was accompanied by, you know, motorcycle outriders and armed guards. and all that kind of stuff. So he appealed it over and over again, and he lost the final appeal. On Friday, the Court of Appeals said, no, you know, it was completely, they were completely right to take away your automatic security. And, you know, he was incredibly upset. And I don't know, it just, it felt like a bizarre moment for to lash out,

you know, straight after this sort of legal defeat that had cost him. millions of dollars and that, you know, he says prevents him from ever coming back to the UK. I mean, it's all, you know, typical Harry, bullheaded, rushing in, very overdramatic, very kind of like, I can never do anything ever again, you know, and all that kind of thing. But yeah, so he's complaining about he thinks that. because he was born with what he calls inherited risk,

he says that when he comes back to the UK, him and his family should just get armed top level guards. And the palace, well, not the palace, but technically this body called Ravec, but I think we all know, you know, that the palace are involved, they say, "Uh-uh, buddy, if you want to come back, you've got to give us 30 days notice, and if you're invited, we will give you security protection.". Well, why can't they just invite him?

I have to say, this sounds like a sort of weird, petty family argument. that's somehow playing out at large. If I were a parent of a child who was facing any kind of risk, I wouldn't care about picking up their security bill. So why is the palace so determined not to pay for him? Because his mother was killed being persecuted by paparazzi. in that terrible accident in the Paris tunnel going back now to 1997.

So I can see why Harry would want security. And we know there have been threats against his life, because I think in the documentary, or it was either in the documentary or the book, he talked about killing people when he was posted abroad, right? Yeah, yeah. Look, there's no doubt that there is a completely reasonable case. to say that Harry, who, as he says, was born into this position, should have top-level security whenever he wants.

The thing that I think just astonishes me about this whole thing, I now remember being called up by an ally of Harry's last year, who was going on and on about it was so unfair, and the king could click his fingers and take it away. I don't have to say to this person at the end of it, "Do you really think that Buckingham Palace, with everything that Harry and Meghan have done, all the conflict, do you like imagine if Harry had full-time security for him and his family? Today, when the focus is supposed to be on VE Day, it means that Harry could have rocked up at Heathrow Airport.

and gone and opened a new wing of Battersea Dogs Home.". Do you know what I mean? Now, I'm not saying he would have, but as things are structured now, basically the Royal Family having enormous amount of control. about when Harry can come back, which is basically never. So they're basically saying they don't want him back? They're not because they're saying, "Oh, this is nothing to do with us. This is an independent body that made this finding.". But I think there will be a lot of people who have sympathy for Harry.

when he says, "This is a good old-fashioned establishment stitch-up,". which is what he said in the interview. I have had it described to me once people knew about the facts. that this is a good old-fashioned establishment stitch-up, and that's what it feels like. What astonishes me is that Harry, having been in that institution for like all these years, having seen how ruthless they are, how determined they are to control the narrative, thought for one moment that it would be anything other than an establishment stitch-up, quite frankly.

So, Tom, what is it exactly in the interview that he said that was so provocative? Well, it's one thing to say, you know, "I'm upset that I've had my security taken away when I'm in the UK. and I believe I deserve it.". And I think a lot of people have sympathy with that. But then, typical Harry, typical, you know, getting over-emotional, over-genratic, he launched into this extraordinary tirade. He at one stage said that there were figures in the Royal Household. who wanted the same thing that happened to his mother to happen to him,

that wanted history to repeat itself. That sounds so conspiratorial. Who is he talking about? Well, he hinted that they were two retired people, which seems to suggest that they were the private secretaries of the late Queen. And he's literally trying to suggest that they want him to die. He is basically saying, "These people want me dead.". And interestingly, this is a kind of conspiracy theory. that's been around in the so-called Sussex Squad for quite a long time.

Very interesting to see Harry sort of giving it rocket boosters. The thing that he said that really upset the palace was he said, "I don't know how long my father has left.". Because he has cancer. Has cancer. Now, look, the reality is that everybody knows that the succession plans are gearing up. No one's really expecting Charles to live, you know, more than three or four years. And I mean that in the context of that when he came to the throne, people definitely felt that he could live till he was the age of his mother,

who was 94, or his father, who was 99. So people definitely thought it was 20 years of the King Charles era. And I think people much more now think it's, you know, going to be like a five, six year reign, something like that. But what Harry said was he said, "I don't know how long he has left, because he won't speak to me.". To say that on the BBC, for the King's son, to say that on the BBC, when the palace have literally spent the last year. going, "The King's fine, you know, he's going to be fine, he's going to carry on working.".

Because, and then look, everybody knows, Charles himself has made jokes about it. And he's made less, you know, he said, "I don't know. I hope I will survive.". He said all these kinds of things. Charles is very aware that he has cancer. He is having weekly treatment. But the public message has been, "Let's not let the fact that this narrative about my health and my story. just detracts from the work that I want to do.". So let's all just, you know, put on a brave face and get on with it.

And to have your son go on the BBC and say, "I don't know how long he has left, because he won't speak to me.". It was just extraordinary who the hell is advising this guy? I mean, also, like, who would do an interview on like one of the worst days of their life? Who thinks that is a good idea? I don't know, I've had a really terrible day, a really upsetting day. I've just lost two million dollars. I've just been told I can never act as a country with my birth.

I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to give an interview to the BBC. You know, you're going to look angry, you're going to look bitter. I know that there's probably an argument that he wanted to get the narrative out there. and all of that. But... So the basic question, Tom, why can't he just pay for his own security? Well, exactly. I mean, he can. He can totally pay for his own security. He can pay for a nice private house and he totally could. But he's backed himself into a corner now because he's saying, "I can't come. I can't come. They're trying to control me.". So if he doesn't go, "Well, actually, I can come.".

And just turns up, it sort of exposes him as, you know, having exaggerated matters, shall we say. So when was the last time that Harry's children, Lily Bet and Archie, saw their grandfather? Who is, after all, the King of England? I mean, it's really, really awful. But Lily Bet has only met Charles once during the Platinum Jubilee. And she must have been a baby at that stage, wasn't she? For like 20 minutes, I believe.

I think that Archie, you know, has had a few, a bit more contact. But definitely not since the Platinum Jubilee, you know, nothing. And it's just, it's just like, I just keep thinking, like, are they going to turn around one day and go, "Mom, Dad, is my grandfather the King of England?". It's good. That's also going to just be a surreal moment, isn't it? So, Tom, you broke a very good story last week about William. being determined that when he becomes king,

he will strip Meghan and Harry of their royal titles. Can you just give us a bit more detail? William absolutely loathes Harry. He despises Meghan. Him and his circle completely blame Meghan for what has happened. William feels so betrayed by Harry. They had such a close bond as kids. Like, people who knew them when they were kids, you know, describe this incredibly close bond,

the terrible tragedy with their mother, and the sort of weird, slightly distant father, you know, that actually Harry captured so well in his memoir, "Spaire.". You know, it's the most brilliant. The first third of that book, I would say, is one of the best books ever written. And if Harry had stopped after the first third, it's so brilliant. It describes being at Balmoral. And Charles is like, "You open the door, and you'll accidentally knock over Charles, because he's behind it doing a headstand.". Because it's the headstand.

And, you know, there's waiters arriving. while they're having the fish fingers under the silver cloche. that they pull off with the fish fingers. You know, and it's all so brilliant. But just sorry, I've gone off the point. But yeah, so they had this incredible... They were so close, those guys. You know, in the hacking trial, we got to hear all these phone conversations between them, and taking them Mickey out of each other, just so close and such good mates.

And it's just unbelievably sad. And so William feels basically like. Charles has not been assertive enough. He understands that it's different with your kids, you know. And he respects Charles. He respects Charles' rank, because that's how it's often put to me. Charles is the boss at the moment. And Charles thinks it's not the right thing. to take the HRH off them. Now, taking the HRH off them is a very, very easy thing to do. The monarch can effectively, could effectively just say,

"I am removing the HRH from these people.". It would just be an edict or a proclamation. Taking the title, "The Duke of Duchess of Sussex". is more difficult and will not be done. Like, there are plenty of dupes and duchesses. But there's very few people with the title HRH. Very, very few. You know, so it is a real thing. And the problem is that Megan, they agreed with the Queen. that they would stop using the title, full stop. They just agreed, "We will not use the title anymore.".

But Megan has started using it again. And this is a massive insult. It's a massive slap in the face. It's very provocative. It's a big rattling of the cage. And it's also kind of weird, like, you know, like the whole irony of the whole Megan thing. of like how awful the Royal Family were. and yet, you know, wants to be an HRH. And by the way, I have no doubt that multiple people. in the Royal Family, in the Royal Household,

were, you know, prejudiced towards Megan. And bullying towards her. Then it's like, "Well, tell.". Well, yeah. I mean, Tina Brangham makes the very good point. in her book, "The Palace Papers," that Megan and Harry. didn't seem to know what they were doing. when they gave up the very thing that made them special, which is they were members of the Royal Family. Because now they're just like any other. sea-list celebrity scrabbling around. for something to make them relevant. Went all along, they had this exceptional, unique title.

And certainly in "As Ever," Megan's new show on Netflix. is a moment which I know we've discussed, where Mindy Kaling calls her Megan Markle. and says, "Well, well, well, Megan Markle. "Kind of look at you.". And Megan goes, "Actually, it's Megan Sussex. "It's Megan Sussex," which feels unnecessary, actually, to slightly dress down your friend over giving you. the wrong name. Can they still use the name Sussex if they lose HRH?

Yeah, yeah. They can. I mean, absolutely fine. Like, that is not unusual. Like, you'll often, or any norther. Well, do you know what I mean? All that kind of thing. So bizarre. English people are so bizarre. These traditions are so odd. They're so odd. And that is normal. So the Sussex thing is not in danger. It's the HRH. It's the HRH. That's not actual title. It's called a style. But it's, you know, the HRH is very rare. It is very valuable. And it is very dangerous if it gets devalued. And I think William's point is that they have devalued it.

and they have betrayed it. And it can be removed very easily. And it should be. And I think also for William, it's where drawing a line. under the whole thing is like, "Stop going on about reconciliation. "Let's just not talk about this anymore. "We're taking the HRH off you. "Good luck. "See you later.". You know, so yeah, he's going to do it. He is going to do it. And I think it will be done. I've told it's going to be done very quickly. In much the same way as Camilla was simply,

suddenly became Queen Camilla after Charles took it ascended to the throne. Now, Queen Elizabeth was very helpful. because she said she would like her to be known as Queen Consort. So for about three and a half weeks, she was known as Queen Consort. And suddenly she just became Queen Camilla. And that's it because Charles just said, "I am King Charles as she is Queen Camilla.".

Well, do you want to have an argument with the King. as Harry has proved in this ridiculous court case, you know, one person not to pick a fight with over. Right. Off with their heads. Off with their heads. Tom, as ever you shine light on a complicated nuanced story. Thank you. The one thing I did think watching the interview. was how good Harry's hair transplant was. I mean, for the longest time there were pictures of him. looking as if he was going to go as bald as William, who really is as bald as an egg.

And suddenly Harry's hair is, it's like a bush on his head. Can I tell you what I thought looking at it, which is I just felt it was so incredibly sad. that this could have been an incredibly consequential guy. He was such a preeminent voice for the environment, for mental health. He was such an amazing advocate. and he could have been such an influential, consequential person.

If they'd just been a little bit more patient, if they'd just bit their tongues and waited. and just been patient, they could have had this, you know, roles don't have to do anything. They don't have to be interesting. They don't have to be a hit. All they have to do is wait quietly, you know, until the time had come. And I just think it's, he's just a very, very diminished figure now. And I'm afraid he'll just become less and less important, much like Edward VIII just became less and less important. And at the end, you know, people in my generation.

barely even knew who Edward VIII was. Oh dear. Well, family is complicated, right? Very complicated. And you can see clearly sibling rivalry. and this extraordinary accession to the throne. has destroyed what was once a wonderful relationship. with two brothers. As the mother of two sons, I just feel for them. It's so sad. Did you see rivalry between George and Louis today? I did not go ahead. Apps is so fascinating.

Oh my goodness, it starts nearly, what happened? The day to kick off George, who's... George, who is the older one. Yes, who's... Right, who will eventually inherit the throne after William. Who is the heir? Sort of pops at his hair, you know, he goes. and blows his hair up off his eyes. And Louis looks at him and blows his hair like, like, like you're such an idiot. And then George gives him what Paddington Bear would have. described as a very hard stare.

and pushes his hair with his hands like that. And Louis gives him a very hard stare back. and pushes his hair like that. And then George leans over and appears to report Louis. to father. And father seems to be like, "Yeah, yeah, all right, lads.". Right, Nick? That sounds like very boy behavior to me. It sounds very normal behavior. Maybe the last normal thing they do. Tom, you're a terrific correspondent. As always, bringing us the latest from this, the "viporous" your word, I think that you use from time to time,

which I always enjoy, this viporous family. Thank you very much. Go back and have a drink for VE Day. Thank you. Okay, so that's it for today's episode of The Daily Beast Podcast. I hope you're having a beast of a day. And as always, if you're watching on YouTube, leave us a comment and let us know who else you would like to hear from. on the next episode. And you can email us at beastpod@thedalybeast. I'll be back with you this Thursday.

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