Trump and Melania’s Weird Bedroom Secrets Exposed | The Daily Beast Podcast

We know that they have different bedrooms and slightly weirdly. that Donald Trump actually gave Melania the better bedroom. But then that's what happens inside his bedroom. He insists on having carpet in the bathroom, carpet in the bathroom, carpet. The domestic staff have to deal with the fact the carpet is wet. And what's not the only problem? They have to deal with this. The other problem is in his boardroom and in his bedroom.

They have to clean up because he leaves discarded. detritus from his fast food habit. On the floor includes what sounds like candy wrappers. It includes fast food wrappers. I mean, it sounds pretty awful. I'm trying to cold. This is the Daily Beast podcast we're recording on Juneteenth. a point when we're supposed to be reflecting, and yet. we can't reflect from the reflecting pool because it's covered in algae.

It's covered in algae. We'll be getting to that with our executive editor, Hugh Docherty. Plus the delicious new book Helped by Donald Trump, which tells us about his really revolting late night eating habits. Of course, Michael Wolff has often talked about those greasy hamburgers. that the president lights in bed, but it turns out there's much more than that. going on, and he just throws the stuff off the bed. for the staff to collect while the staff are having their own revenge. And talking to Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan about, well,

the president's domestic habits and, of course, Georgia maloney, the Italian prime minister's. response to Trump when he said she was begging for a selfie. Turns out she really wasn't anyway. Please subscribe if you haven't. This is our call to action to help support us as independent media. That's why we can bring you conversations like this without fear.

or favor and well, you subscribe. Let's get into it. Okay, I just really want to get into this book. that reveals Donald Trump's nighttime habits. Hugh. This is regime Change by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan. It's the imperial presidency of Donald Trump. Tell me everything. Tell me everything. Obviously, Johnson Swan and Maggie Haberman are coming out on Tuesday.

with this book, and already lots of parts of that have been leaking out. Leaking more than the reformed, in fact, with just as much. But some of the big reviews are about how Trump lives his life. And the most fascinating thing that I think so far. is all about the white House bedroom arrangements. They have just caused a wall. I think, you know, as a war,

out of all these thought and Make a Wolf has often said. that it's very clear that Donald Trump and Reinier Trump do not sleep together. But now we know exactly how that arrangement goes down. We wore that. They have different bedrooms and so mutely. that Donald Trump actually gave Miami the better bedroom. It's very hard to do with what's going on there. She was very rarely in Washington, D.C., but she gets better bedroom. But then that's what happens inside Haines bedroom.

And as it turns out, it's not great. I'll just. I want to take you back to a line and a tone. that we've all forgotten about the 1970s and 1980s. He insists on having carpet in the bathroom. Carpet in the bathroom? Well, it's warmer. Having carpet. I understand people having carpets warmer. I don't have one myself, but people do have carpet in the bathroom. Although you would think that the white House would be able to have.

underfloor heating. Well, it's unclear. if I want carpet in the bathroom, but it's one of the big problems. that the domestic staff in in the House resistance. And that's that area above, above the center of the white House. It's not an east wing that you knock down, it's the bit above. The domestic staff have to deal with the fact the carpet is wet. It's not the problem you have to deal with.

The other problem is in his boardroom. In his bedroom. They have to clean up because he leaves. discarded detritus from his fast food habit. on the floor includes what sounds like candy wrappers. It includes fast food wrappers. I mean, it sounds pretty awful. And you've got to see that's if that's how if that is how the president. is treating these incredible dedicated domestic staff.

and we are warm, have all heard accounts about what goes on in the house residence. And with that group movie, The Butler. These are people who have dedicated their lives to being there for the first time. And I think it's safe to guess that they've never seen such a thing before. So Michael Wolff has often talked about the president eating hamburgers in bed. So I'm assuming that some of this comes from Donald's. Maybe there's the odd fish of filet sandwich that he enjoys.

I think I read in a Daily Beast story about this. that they're also having to be very careful when they throw out. the detritus of his midnight snacks, because sometimes there is actually. white House sterling silver cutlery there. If you don't exactly more hold watch this out. But no, they have to go through every bit of trash. unfold if he's off the silver cup oriented. I'll just take you back to the first Trump presidency and I.

there was also from emergency room in book, which was the key. they had to deal with an issue for he was tearing up. official photos, documents, threw them in the trash, and they had a team who was which were dedicated to literally. taping these back to bother to compile with the Presidential Records Act. This it's the it's the silverware. Remember the Playhouse silverware. He didn't get it.

They don't get a like some of us. They don't go. They don't go to meetings. This is really. this is part of a merry little old times are a part of American history. And they tossed in the floor. And it appears where the some accidentally axle load it. out into the garbage, you know, and were in the landfill. We don't know. But what we do know is that we realized he was doing this, and they had now have to search this garbage. So it's. I think people are going to say, well, this is very triggering,

but there's, there's there's conflict in the Middle East. Gas prices remain high. Inflation is apparently incurable. The national debt that exceeds in the levels that we've seen outside of war. all these into trouble. But I just want to see you. We are dealing with an absolutely extraordinary insight. into exactly how the president lives his life and how he treats the people. closest to him. And I think that's something that everybody wants to know about.

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I mean, it's very unusual for this level of personal detail. to come out about a president. I mean, there weren't books that came out revealing this kind of thing. about the Obama's or the bushes or the Bidens. And of course, we know that they had their enemies. But but would Donald Trump actually. be within his rights to feel a, that the staff have been disloyal. and be given how he loves to sue people.

that actually they're infringing an NDA? Well, what's the government. imposed by some of Morton members of the military? It's all in principle. Voice the point. There are dozens of white House staff. It's very difficult to sue dozens of people we don't know. who joined from Swan's sources are. And what we know that.

the difficulty that Trump has here is that there was something of how. the Obamas and how particularly I think everybody will remember George H.W. Bush and the and also George. W Bush daughters on the affection that the Bush final fought for, received from the people that looked after them in the residence. On particular, Jenna Bush has been real public about how. when she was, she's been able to go back occasionally to the white House.

She was hugged. She would sing people that she had not seen in 20 odd years. She's hugged them. She's kissed them. She felt such audience gratitude to them. George H.W. Bush I think I'll remember. You know, there are pictures of him. embracing these, you know, these public servants. And the words is kind of delivered because our indeed is their. traditional servants in a big house. But this is kind of unprecedented. We've never had bad things about first families.

And I think the idea of picking trash off the floor. and the sense of entitlement about it, the the carpet in the bathroom, certain things that are damaging to Donald Trump. And if you went to court, somebody somewhere has said something that breaks. that agreement. He's going to have to work through. It was and I don't know how all people feel about somebody. this, this these are not highly paid people. The majority of them are often American and always have been.

The white House. And this is Juneteenth, the white House. Of course, there's a history that is colored by the missions, struggles with evil, is partly bought by people who were enslaved. And then, you know, the the ritual kneecap of Washington, D.C.. So there's a whole divisions that this raises, as I say, about how Trump treats the people right beside. him, those people who are there to look after him.

Okay, so so what else do we learn about Melania Trump? We know that she doesn't apparently spend that much time in the white House. As I've said numerous times on this podcast, she makes it very clear. at the end of her movie, Melania the Amazon Love Fest for her, that at the end of Inauguration Day, which the movie leads up to, she makes it. very clear that she and Donald Trump are going their own separate ways. So what do we learn about their arrangements?

And is she more liked by the staff than he is? It's interesting actually. I'll just be honest. From what we know so far from this book and we've not we got right every page. I've just just said on Tuesday we haven't obtained every bit of it. We so far have a kind of a bit of a ghost. and I'll think, suggestive of my not being there very much. She gets in for is called the master bedroom. He wasn't for what is traditionally been called the Guggenheim,

and in previous administrations, John F Kennedy. and Jackie, the last presidential couple to have separate bedrooms. worth pointing out on the living room was was for a week. We would come together in one Cregan and Nancy. Reagan pools and their living room because things are looking good. Trump has taken over and beat it into her bedroom. But there is Volvo. It all mentioned that we know of of Maroney or Trump was also. So it's true. Huge detail about about Moran.

and about how far better. that had been in the room, which she had had. And these are the same boardrooms. he had in the first president, his first presidency. Some of the subjects are moved into his bedroom and she wasn't around. The other thing that we do in is that she was very unhappy. about the demolition of the East Wing, and that is pretty significant. Oh that's interesting. So she was unhappy about it.

And of course, the East wing is traditionally where the first lady. has her office. So she did she complain about it? Does she protest him? What do we know about her reaction to it? Well, the war that there were two things she was unhappy with sequentially. And the first one was the rose garden. And the walled garden, of course, was created by Jackie Kennedy. It was, you know, it was low date by Mellon. It's kind of it's one of the things the group symbols of the white House.

until until don't Trump paved over it turns out. he wanted to people for the whole what he wanted the roses gone as well. And the will that it's put by. Jonathan Swan. Is that what came back from the first lady's team? That she was very unhappy. And there was a compromise on the compromise was. that the rose bushes got to stay. Now, similarly, from the East, one demolition became mean as a plan worked again,

came back that this was not going to meet the the first lady happy, but it still went ahead. So I think there's a lot to digest about their marriage. and their arrangement there. And a lot of questions about how did like this, this phrase I've used is what came back from the first lady's tea. Is that how you communicate? There's lots more to know. There is lots more to know. Do we think that Donald Trump talks to Maggie Haberman. and Jonathan Swan for this book?

Because certainly they talked on and off to him as as have many reporters. He calls people all the time. He loves being reported on. But sometimes, sometimes people cooperate. And I always think you and I both know this with with Princess Diana, who cooperated, we thought was told reporters everything. and then of course, denied it frantically and said it was completely untrue. I think I think we've got a new of the transparency in the white House.

Apparently. Yes. He did speak to them. He spoke to them in March, which was at the end of this. very long process that they'd gone through this spoken to the sea. of a thousand interviews and the stones and people, or they spoke to hundreds of people, and some are from two or 3 or 4 times. And in March we find this book to them. into the Oval Office. And it's again, we're doing everything best book, but we know a lot of it. It's quite extraordinary scene because they.

they walk into the Oval Office and what they find is him. sitting around a Gould, obviously, and he's looking at pictures. It's mid-March, he's at Wilder's around. He's looking at pictures of maple trees. because it says he's all doing some more trees for the white House. So it's it's it's a scene that that tells you what I think. about this president who's determined to magnify the house he's monologuing at.

And we were you know, I've said that. the wind in their comments, people saying, why are we focus in on this trivia? Well, maybe. interfere, but of what the president is focusing on. And he's the most powerful man in the world, and he's the one looking at printouts of maple trees. The other things that he was looking at, it was a printout. that claimed that he had 313 boolean TikTok views. He was how this was counted.

Who noise even came up with this number. But there it was. And we'll do it all. We would at the end that that both of them interviewed him. Clearly. I think there may be more quotes coming in this book. It's 400 odd pages, but I think some of it was off the record. Some of it was fact checking, some of it was then putting things to him and on low. I'm just going to warn there was some bad I mentioned. I wouldn't use the worst of it. He has had a complicated relationship in public with Michael Haberman.

He's he speaks to your spoken to her regularly over the years. They go back many, many years. She was in due course reporter. That is his favorite newspaper and he is nicknamed are maggot. maggot Haberman in public at the same time many people watching this. I google going to see you in the comments. People feel that she has been an avenue for him to stay in watch, and an avenue for him to get his views across. Any on the way out the door. I'm just going to have to glide down to get this court right, he says.

Amelia Book will be critical, but remember this people are tired of the bore. Less always criticizing. I'm tired of women and women and women and just getting bad offing press. It's about time that you tell the truth. So it's the seventh inning of all. The certain will be nice. And I think even he knows that forts in this book is bad, bad, bad. And the other I know you know, I'm not going to I'm.

not going to see that these are these are necessarily more insightful. But they certainly I think on on more significant to many people, the idea that there was a discussion of crisis, discussion. about how to hide the Epstein files that took place on the Situation Room, and it might have been taped on, that is an absolute bombshell. And we've used this once. We've called a bombshell book because that is an absolute bombshell. The Situation Room being taped,

the files been covered up, an active part to do that. These are things that people are going to look at, you know, in the, in the, in, in this way the things to be but also in November and say, oh my God, what is going on in the white House? How can how can this be a serious presidency? I mean, well, in April, Jules, and of course. all the gold decoration and the filigree that he loves so much in the Oval Office. There's an anecdote in the book, I think, where Carolyn Leavitt comes in,

the press spokesperson, and she's astonished to find. Donald Trump's super gluing some filigree to the wall. And this is just, you know, this is part and parcel of how he decorates it. It's a tiny correction there. Because what absolutely factual. the beast equals to the mantle of the Oval Office fireplace. So I got the wall, the mantle, the mantle and not somebody not dire.

I'm left handed. I don't do loose days where it is super glue I've ever done involves. one by two fingers and stuck together. And then it goes somewhere. And I just the idea that the most powerful man in the world, and I keep saying, there's the most powerful man in the world, is spending his tone. flicking through catalogs of multiple trees going. are going off to the mantel on going, oh, do you know what? I've got a little bit of gold and super glue on it.

It's extraordinary. I mean, I'm just stating the obvious here, but. I wasn't doing that in 1942. No. And I mean, actually what's fascinating too, because we've done our own reporting around Trump's. manic truth socialist, is that obviously a lot of his truth. social posts can probably be sort of timed by his smacking. So we know, because Michael Wolfers talks about his obsession with ice cream,

that he loves to have a tub of ice cream, that Michael talks about going. to his house in Hollywood, and Trump tossing him a carton of Haagen-Dazs. So we know that he he eats fast food in bed, he sugar in bed, and then we can see the outcome of it, which is these manic posts. And of course, if you're eating, you know, tubs of ice cream, if you're main. lining Starbucks sugary snacks, you're not going to get much sleep. Well, I mean, one or the sugar highs.

It's like, you know, one thing I should say is that there's a. there's a there's a mutant question which number of people have is. and we don't know the answer because we don't have the text. The leak of the book has suggested that he has Starbucks. wrappers on, on the floor of, of the bedroom. A lot of people suggested it might be Starburst. We'll water them to see the text. We're waiting to see. if there's going to be some corrections, really make clear what it is.

But whatever it is, it's all of the sugar. You shouldn't be eating sugar late at night. Well know that. And we all know, you know, with the evidence of all days that Donald Trump is not a healthy man. He was 80. He is certainly he shoes vulgar. He can't argue about that. But he shows the coin and rebuilding. Who is watching him. You know, I'm I'm aware of this.

And any stage after the audio 22. you don't feel good sitting at night. You know, it's it's it's this extraordinarily. manic burst of truth social coming night after night or, or they're force one, which I really want to talk about. And. you're right, it must match. up to these sugar rushes and this rush of salty foods.

that anybody would be told by their physician not to do well. And it's slightly addicts behavior. I mean, we're always told that Donald Trump's older brother Mary, Trump's. father. And obviously we've had Mary Trump many times on the podcast. She's a friend of the Daily Beast, and she hasn't remarkable. sort of observations about him because she's a clinical psychologist, but she talks a lot about her father having been an alcoholic, that Donald Trump refused to touch alcohol. He says he doesn't touch it. And yet we know that he's so passionate about Diet Coke.

that he actually has a button on the resolute desk. that he presses to get Diet Coke whenever he needs it. And this is kind of addicts behavior late at night, a pint of ice cream, lots of wrappers around yourself. Either that, or slightly reminds me of the fashion world. where people used to take a lot of Ambien when we were flying back and forth. to the shows in Europe, and models and fashion editors who had disordered.

eating would report that they had taken to Ambien, woken up, and they were smeared with Snickers wrappers from the minibar. because they sort of, you know, behaved weirdly. So I wonder if it's possible he occasionally takes sleeping pills. and then wakes up and he's eating all this stuff. I mean, who knows? But it's it's odd behavior for a president is a very serious health. Who's going on this week? I should say, Joanna, because what we saw this week.

when he was in Algeria, Ben, for the G7 summit, that there are a number of pictures of his hands. and the short marks of his hands that he called a cut on the back, I believe, of his left hand, sort of like there. And they also show on his left thumb are pinprick. by a pattern which is incredibly similar to that. which people who have diabetes are used to doing.

And when they check their blood sugar, and who have asked the house, what is this mark about? Is he knew is he being monitored for diabetes, for pre-diabetes? We offered once. So. Right. We don't know if it's on Ambien. We don't know if he's getting one for diabetes. And we were asking relentlessly. And these are very serious questions. And in fact, the white House physician, Sean Barbarella has said, we are not necessarily obligated to close everything that is going on.

So here we go. I'm being something similar. This pattern of behavior is, is actually a serious question of asking. And again and then go back to the seriousness. and importance of these revelations in this book. Okay. So we know that something also is going very wrong with the reflecting pool. It's Juneteenth, a time for reflection. Yet the one thing that isn't allowing anybody. to do any reflecting because it's covered in thick green algae.

And we've all seen the pictures. It's not American flag blue. It is a discussing kind of syrupy green, moldy water that I don't think anybody wants to to look at. So you can you just remind us, I did I put my boy. Well, how did we get here, Hugh? Because I think everybody I mean, previous, previous presidents have wrestled with the fact that the pool does leak. And yet it's one of the most classic, beautiful,

calm places in DC to have a stroll. And as its purpose says, to reflect on whatever. ails us, whatever troubles us. Well, right. And yes, I think anybody who's been to DC has, has almost inevitable walked around the pool and thought, what? You know, what a great place to place a piece, a piece of cam, you know. Oh, usually you're walking towards on the Lincoln Memorial.

Sometimes you go in water direction towards the very, very large World. War two. And both of them are, you know, fantastically architecture. And this reflecting pool. has, has long been troubled by algae, obviously. since almost since it started, since it started, been filled and it was built in the 1920s. And it's often, you know, there's been a number of schemes to try to deal with this. And there was recent one.

was a pretty elaborate. or say, the most recent one before Trump was a very new drainage system. that would enthrall clean the water consistently for this, this algae. And it didn't quite work as well as it should have. I do believe knowledge that. Trump, however, saw this as something that was really. to bold on July 18th and Barack Obama on W Bush. I'm not sure if he knew his other presidents to blame, but they're the ones,

because the pool, of course, is owned by. the federal government is a responsibility of the Department of the interior. So he blamed his predecessors for these these new systems. that had been installed that hadn't quite what. And of course, what does he do? Well, he owns a lot of swimming pools, particularly in a Lago. And he said, I'm the expert, you know, I'm the only one that can sort it out. He got in. And this is where the stool goes from green siren to real slime.

And he said that it would only cost a couple of million. It has no cost $18,000,000.18. So it's nine times more expensive than he said it was going to be. It is. And or to sing that we more of. and the contracts were given out for bids. and I'm just going to go on a completely colorful. and I really mean this story, which will make people groom with rage. One of these bids was given to a felon,

a man who had been convicted of fraud, accounts of broadband, Congressman. And the picture that you're about to see on screen of this man, John Cafaro, has caused hilarity to everybody who sees it. There have been comparisons between him and Fat Toomey, from The Simpsons. to the. somebody who kidnaped Orphan Army it was been on was comparisons. But this girl, he runs a company called Groom.

Water Services and to do what he delivered, because the water is a gluten, he got 1.8 million. How could he possibly get into this? Well, we don't really know because it's a little bit. contract and it's shrouded in secrecy. But let me just run through some of the things we know about him. He's a Trump duder. He's got hosting a mile. I go and Donald Trump says he is a fantastic morn story. about the five days he spent in duel for trying to make a miracle deletion.

to his daughter. I'm sorry for the large family paid for for blood. Been in the tunnels are congressional crook called Jim Traficant, a man who, by the way, has the hair, which turned out to be a hairpiece. and is often seen as a predecessor politically to Trump. But by the way, this guy was the perfect guy with his green water. services to the reflecting pool. So what happens now? We know it's supposed to be American flag blue.

It's supposed to be perfect for July the 4th. because it's obviously not perfect for Juneteenth. Is is is it possible it's going to be fixed. as this thing is possible? Joanna I the war that we saw them trying to fix it. this week was pouring in gallon bottles of bleach such that you would. probably have under the sink and can certainly get up. There is hardware there are pouring individually in by hand,

and perhaps the most devastating outcome. I just remind you, and one of the things that Donald Trump has called the water. there are filthy and disgusting. You promised on June the 4th, Jordan the fourth. That was four of beautiful water, a 6.75 million gallons in there. Unfortunately, there's no bidder now. It is. Which I credit the Washington Post for this. They got a researcher at the UVU University of Virginia.

to use satellite imagery that goes back five years. And each year there's more algae than ever before. So. Wow. Can it be fixed? Oh, Mabel, I'm. I'm not sure that Paul, when individual gallon bottles of unbranded bleach is the wall. And as you see, the clock is ticking to July the 4th. I'm realistically to weeks or is two weeks and months. July the 4th. It doesn't look like it.

It seems to be going up, but down. Well, then of course we remember Donald Trump has a thing about bleach. Remember when he just wish that we could get rid of Covid. by spraying bleach at each other into our veins? All of it. He's obviously got a thing about about bleach. So he of course, this has made all the more fascinating this week. The UFC fight, the strolling around Versailles, where he's. obviously getting more and more ideas for for his ballroom, the book about his.

unseemly, let's say, bedroom. habits, scarfing all sorts of fast food and leaving the wrappers everywhere. And I'm assuming he's sort of sleeping in the wrappers. Or perhaps he throws them off the bed like Henry, the eighth sort of 80s. chicken bones and turkey legs and threw them over his shoulder for. for people to collect. But but the judge can I just could I just correct a swap. just because you're so factual? The Daily Beast, Henry, if in reality didn't have access to Turkey.

because it hadn't been brought back from the United States at the time. Alternative facts, as Kellyanne Conway would say anyway, he's eating. chicken legs. Somebody eats his chicken and then throws them over his shoulder. And of course, poor people come in collective. And actually, I've been in England for the last week or so, as you know, and actually the comparisons with Henry. the Eighth and Donald Trump. seem more and more similar as she creating his own church,

you know, getting rid of his wives when he's had enough of them, the whole thing, actually, you suddenly realized. there are these characters in history that crop up that have just. completely outsized power and use their power in an outsized way. So, of course, the juxtaposition this week that I think everybody is, is seeing. is the opening of the Obama library yesterday, the hilarious speech that Michelle Obama. gave with several digs directly at Donald Trump, an enormous amount of applause.

when she references Barack Obama's Nobel Peace Prize. Of course, the one thing that Donald Trump. has been craving since he's got in second time round, but also the fact that the previous living presidents are all there. So Joe Biden was there with Jill, the bushes, George. W Bush and Laura were there, the Clintons were there. So I can't help but think.

Donald Trump, especially given, I mean, at least according to Anthony Scaramucci, he knows what a bad deal he's ended up striking with Iran, whether or not he's feeling utterly paranoid that these people are all. sitting around discussing him, laughing at him, or whether or not. he thinks they are envious of him because he's now wielding global power. I'll just go back to this. Some of the revelations from this book, because they're flesh. But these are things that Michael Wolff has been saying to you for so many months,

for more than a month, you know, for all the time that part of the deal with his family inside Trump's head? One one of the. moments in the book is Trump tones to hold. his most reliable sycophant, and he he says to him very abusively, what happened to you, Howard? You used to be a killer. You were 35 now. Got your beautiful wife. Now you're just a p word.

The words that Trump Renewal uses regularly, the grabbing by word. And the thing is, as is often pointed out, his lizard bloom on Anthony Scaramucci said similar. He knows there is no way that watching. And that's what he does. He watches television, watching this incredible number of people. with the Obamas to open their library, all the living ex-presidents, the. the presence of George W Bush is, of course, a rebuke to Donald Trump.

Donald Trump was was smirking. at this appalling insult that was leveled by Michelle Obama at his. his tacky UFC fight on the South Lawn, when this Josh Halkin. stood up and said, and this is vowel, but you know, it has to be said on Michelle Banner as a man. And Trump smirked. His house didn't condemn it. He's never he's never condemned it.

George W Bush. when I know that George W Bush and Michelle were friends, he went straight to Michelle and hugged her. You can't get anything stronger than that. Trump is watching. He knows, he knows. He knows how this plays. He knows that the oldest were all there, even people. that the Trump was kind of thought wall mobile could be sympathetic. All Chappelle the comedian was there. He's been incredibly controversial on trans issues. He was there and he said it was a great moment of history. Or was model.

Trump isn't hurting. And the contrast, the saw and the contrast of the singers, too, because of course, Donald Trump had wanted there to be a big concert. And I think it was Rick Grinnell who had previously been in charge. of the Kennedy Center, their unemployment. Well, and I was going to say now, happily back to its actual name, the John F Kennedy Center, not the Donald Trump Kennedy Center. Their attempts to put on a concert.

to celebrate Donald Trump's birthday fell. I mean, just completely fell apart. Martina McBride, even Milli Vanilli pulling out because they didn't. want to be a part of it because it had been hijacked by MAGA. And yet you have the Obama library of Stevie Wonder, you have Bruce. Springsteen, you have American classic artists. They don't get bigger than that. So that must also feel like a rebuke. The sense of rebuke was, for every second of it, his numerous ever mentioned.

And what does Donald Trump hate most of all? You know, not being in the conversation and division. that Obama set out for his library was very then pointed. He sold it, would acknowledge his mistakes and short fallings. He also spoke about the beauty and the challenges of democracy. he's walking while he was. Just be honest, this is a register on ruin to Donald Trump. And he was cheered. He was applauded.

He was hugged. He paused with, you know, all the all the first the first families. and the the contrast to the UFC event was absolutely blatant. And it was one. one particular guest that I think. is going to cause raised eyebrows, at least around. if there's a Trump family dinner table, I can't really envisage it. because he'd be in the bedroom eating off the fourth. But in the in the Trump final group chat,

Ivanka's sister in law was there. and she spoke about what a great deal was for America. So your system of supermodel. Karlie Kloss, he's a friend of mine, I should just say. And he's married to Josh Kushner, who is Jared Kushner, his brother. He has an enormous private equity fund. called or venture capital fund Thrive Capital. What a symbol. First of all, the divided country.

that will have this member of a family, the rest of this family, I. say. Her husband, Josh, tries to say to people that he's not political, just not a phrase that we should be using these days or what happens in C. But her husband says he stays away from politics. But her father in law, Charles Kushner, a part of Fareham. pardoned by Trump, who became to Paris. and citizen Ivanka Trump more in. UFC and rubber and Jared Kushner negotiating peace.

in the Middle East on Ukraine. You comment on the results. And there she was. Well, I think the sense of the coldness of this rebuke to to the Trump. to the Trump family machine is going to be is going to be felt by them. I just go back to my point. The war, the more that this looks great, the more that whatever your views are in the architecture. And I know, Joanna, you're not not a huge fan.

of the presidential library building, but whoever you are that you saw admitted. front of absolutely all listers in one polls for one purpose. And that's something Donald Trump has never managed to do well. And you also had a former first lady in Michelle Obama giving her husband. a rousing speech, which I guess you could argue Melania did in Trump one. But at Trump to he looked incredulous.

when she turned up and smiled at him during the RNC. I mean, nobody expected her to come. She showed up. She didn't say anything, and she wouldn't sit with him in the box that they are in. C I'm expecting you to correct me on that. You looked as if you had your Daily Beast fact checker. Joanna. Joanna's exaggerating, but I'm pretty sure that's right, right. He wasn't expecting her to turn up at the RNC, and she did because it was. right.

And it was just after the shooting at Butler, Pennsylvania. So it would have looked really hard hearted if she hadn't shown up. You made the word that you could see that the Obamas are an enterprise, if you like, that Michelle was there to speak in support of her husband, and I'll just say that they also did an interview on ABC news. and they sat together. You know, I'm not sure. Have we ever seen The Lion. and Donald Trump sitting together, together for an interview? I while he's been president, I'm not sure we have, but they sat together.

and Robin Roberts asked, Michelle, what's next for you? What's what's your next? You were going to be about? And she said, me, I'd I can't imagine the one with Trump swing her. to Donald Trump. And I certainly can't imagine that she would laugh and put put. that Donald Trump would laugh and put his hands on on his wife's hand. And being not just a proven but, you know, supportive. And part of this, this journey, the contrast in these couples.

is extraordinary. Well, there's also a contrast with Trump's. version of being at the G7. summit this week and spending time with Georgia maloney, the. prime minister of Italy. He says that she was desperate to talk to him, that she insisted on having selfies. Incredibly unusual. Georgia maloney actually decided to respond to the present, say. this is completely untrue.

I wasn't demanding a selfie. And why are you so much more pleasant to China and to Russia. then you are to your allies. It makes sense. It makes no sense. Why do you do this? Which is actually one of the first times. that people have challenged him on this and his sort of nonsense, and he also sort of behaved as if he gave her an audience, and she should be incredibly grateful for it. Instead of acknowledging that she is an ally. She's part of the European Union, part of NATO, and that we're allies.

So I just I just want to quote the words of George Morley, at least translated from Italian do not speak Italian. There is one thing to remember, she said, neither I nor Italy ever beg. That's right, because he said she begged him for a selfie. White begged him to take a photo of her. She wanted it so badly. Look, I think there's a sort of sexualized element to this. rather than his life and obviously how he approaches woman.

But this is also a reflection of Donald Trump's. view of power and how power rests with him. And what we saw this week at this G7 and in France. Well, actually, this power didn't look too much like his. This was not the only bad, bad moment of human interaction. that suggests that Trump and power in the world, on the world stage are real, not as closely related as he would think.

The other great moment was that he walked in an old beat. to the main session of the seven leaders who were there. And around this here we've got Mark Carney, you've got Georgia maloney, you've got Emmanuel Macron. I'm sure if you're going to discuss in a second who is the host. and who's the host, because this is a place in in the south of France. And Mark Carney, of course, the Canadian prime minister, the United Kingdom's prime minister, who is.

is there as well. And work while sitting around got Basant of all people, has set himself in the president's chair but didn't know violence wasn't there. He was promoting his book on the view but but got better was sitting in the chair. Trump walked in and I think in the end he swaggered, but he walked in. behind the South Korean delegation who were sending. in an interpreter or something, and he worked and walked about.

And I'm the boss and laughter, because it's not cooler after this one mess, after the core difficulties that he has done with Russia. And, you know, I Ukraine. and his trip to China, that got him nothing. It's not clear that, frankly, that he is a boss. And therefore there was laughter. And then it's weird quotes that he gave to an Italian newspaper. or told news channel that was published in further morning.

about her bulging for it, bulking for a photo I was responding to. People are pushing back the slump upon our waltzing. And that's not something that it's not something that we have seen. on a world stage. How does he react? We won't see, but we're also beginning to see it at home. to partly with Republicans who are now leaving, either because. they've been primaried, like John Cornyn or Thom Tillis, who's leaving. But.

Well, and of course, these people could have built could have grown a spine. before. It's much easier doing it at the door on your way out. But nevertheless, there is certainly a feeling, I think, among certain Republicans that they've they've got. a large enough group of resisters that they can begin to push back. Hugh, it's so interesting talking to. I'm thrilled that we've managed to catch up.

And when we speak next week, I really hope that we can. dig down into the Republicans who are beginning to resist. Trump now and say, enough already, you're going to be a lame duck. I think. this is a few days where we are going to see. an accretion of the sentiment inside the Republican Party, this Iran deal, and I'm just like, we do. We could we could we could do podcast unpacking.

It's a deal. But it's a message. It's a memorandum of understanding, but nobody understands what's in it. And the Iranians just laughing, saying he's the worst deal maker in the world. The war may not be like, let's let's not judge that. But what we can sue is that people are paid. Crews are not happy. People like people who have been vehemently opposed to any hope, assistance, aid to the ruling regime of saying it appeals.

They're going to get 300 billion. It appeals to get to keep some nuclear material. It appears to get to keep their missiles. These are problems for these for for people, you know, as a Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley and those Republicans that you mentioned that are. beginning to be. in the euro, you all know with once caucus. because they can stop this on this, this sentiment is going to rise. with the incredible,

influential media mogul. Even The Mental Files remains a very powerful voice on this particular. issue, on Iran, on informed relations, the world region, which is raid heavily by these old fashioned establishment Republicans. in something, has, in its opinion pages been really, really critical of Donald Trump has used words like surrender. So I think the next few days you're going to see an accretion of this. And Trump has been pushing back his, you know, and he is.

literally said to people, I'm the president and you're not. But his response was, is his new catchphrase, right, I am the president. This is new. Yes. And I. wonder if this has a knock on effect on Marco Rubio. and JD Vance, who, as you say, is now out promoting his book. Who knew we would be in this position? Well, I think from next week. there there is it's going to be clear.

What is it for the Republican Party at large or the modern movement at large, has thought this deal. and gone wrong with Donald Trump's assessment. and this cruzi assessment this week, that he is more powerful than Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin and Sharon. Mao and many others and said, sounds, sounds good to me. We're going to see if they'd gone along with that and was more powerful. And he's made them swallow this memorandum of understanding,

which appeared to be crumbling even as we speak. Or what are the the hold on. the elections coming up in in November? And two was telling me, we've got a presidential race coming up on. every senator looks in the bowl and says how we must have President. Ted Cruz absolutely making moves. Marco Rubio appeals to a bit annoyed by Trump, to Vance clear of things. He might have been announced by Trump. You get a lot of a meeting when you were a Catholic,

but that one that's not that's not official. And although there's 100 senators maybe out of Libya, out of that. Republican caucus, there are 4 or 5 people who are plausible candidates. Josh Hawley as a very plausible candidate. Still, Tom cotton, a Villa plausible candidate. So Borglum, to have to decide what I'll do about this, where do I go on this? And am I going to say yes, you're more powerful than Hitler. Not so. Good thing I'm not going to say I'll call. stop letter on things bad I want to do that is start resisting.

Well, it's going to be not just talking about our, you know, candy wrappers on the on the floor of the bedroom is going to be. things thrown at the walls in longer because the reaction. that Trump is going to have to that is going to be fascinating. Wow. Okay. Well, Hugh, let's get back together again at the end of next week. for further catch up and track what's happening. But it does feel that it's all beginning to fall apart.

That's all cracking open. And Trump's domination of the Republican Party. certainly seems to be faltering. It's one algal bloom that appears not to be not to be blooming right now. Donald Trump's power and no reflecting in the reflecting pool. Hughie, thank you very much. I know you have a newsroom to run. Thank you, and I will look forward to seeing you. while I won't be back for another week or so,

but I will look forward to seeing you in person when I do. But I think we'll be seeing each other before then on the daily basis. My pleasure. I always love talking to Hugh, doctor. He's so knowledgeable. He knows everything going on and he reads everything. You can never find a story that Hugh hasn't already read and knows. much more about. Anyway, if you have been, thank you for joining us. Big shout out to our production team working on the holiday,

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