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Trump is going to want to wage war with the Democrats. What most of the people he has had on his side to wage war. are leafing. Michael. Joanne. Welcome to the 190th episode of Inside Trump's Head. What is going on inside that? Well, my favorite description of his hair is. the bale of moldy hay that someone wrote in and suggested.

Big day. Jensen Wang resigns. Susie Wiles has. a big bash to say goodbye to the white House, and JD. Vance and Marco Rubio aren't there, and neither is Stephen Miller. We have a list of the people who are there. Melania? Well, what's happened to Imperia? Her initiative to support women. We'll be getting to the latest on that. And, well, Mississippi. Mississippi has gone Democratic.

Amazing, amazing in this blue wave. And Elena Harper Milton married to the 29 year old. Or is he actually 25? Is that better? If he's 25? Who is an international business man of mystery? Some mystery has lost her $50 million contract. Boo. Who though she's kept. She's kept the signing bonus. And she's getting another. She's getting another stash. So she makes out with 15 million. Not 50 million, but so a lot to discuss.

My 15 million for doing no work. Well, you say that. She would have to have. You get someone pardoned for it. Allegedly. I think that's the other point, is that the 50 million. she would have had to do no work for either. It's. Anyway. I long for a I long for that. Anyway, we're here to do a lot of work going inside, Trump said. Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast if you haven't. We're independent media. That's why we can have Michael Wolff saying what he does. about the current administration.

Michael. Joanna. Where do we begin? Well, let's set the Jensen's. stage. Okay. Please do. So Donald Trump. Donald Trump is told. that Jensen Huang is having an affair with a Chinese spy. Now, this is Jensen Huang, his close ally. His close business ally is the CEO. of one of the largest companies in America.

One of the company's most. pertinent to the health of the United States. economy and economy, and a company at the center of myriad. national security concerns involving China. Okay. Donald Trump, the president of the United States, knows. that the CEO of this company is having an affair with a Chinese spy. So he knows he has that information.

He obviously knows the context. He obviously knows the stakes. And he appears to do nothing about it. In fact, he actually denies that he has that information. And now it has been established that he certainly did on. at least two separate occasions. He's been told about this. There is a report prepared by the State Department by Marco Rubio. So in writing that this man, Jensen Huang,

as important as he is, is having an affair with a Chinese spy. And still. it very much appears. that Donald Trump shrugs it off, does nothing. Is unconcerned about it. Do we know that he didn't call Jensen? No. We don't. We don't know. This is this is. This is only what we've been told. And as a matter of fact. And so to take this a step further, we can assume that Donald Trump,

knowing everything that he knows about, about appreciating where Nvidia is in importance. to the United States and to his administration. and to China. That he knows this. And so he would have had to have made a conscious decision of what. to do with this information. Or or he has dementia, which is always possible.

And it just. he somehow couldn't comprehend hend this, but let's assume that he could. And so what does he do with this pivotal piece of information that the. That a Chinese spy is involved with the CEO of this important company. In other words, there has to be by any logic and agenda here. So Trump either says to himself, I got something on Jensen, right? Right. Jensen is going to is my Jensen is my bitch.

Yeah. Because I know this because I can ruin him at any time. Or. he is saying, oh my God, you know this. If this comes out, it's going to bring the stock market down. It's going to bring my son's investments in AI down. So let's just. Hush it up. Just, let's. Let's, let's essentially a cover up. Well, he. Doesn't always do that thing where he goes. You know what? It'll all be fine. It'll all be fine. Yeah, right. What, again?

And that could be the dementia speaking. His refusal. And it could be that his just refusal to deal with things that are unpleasant. And it also could be. Hey, I'm, I'm in a lot of deals with the Chinese right now. and the Chinese are, are being, are cooperating. and we're going to all make money together. So let's not rock the boat. Now all of this is. is at a conspiratorial level. I mean, I think we're, we're.

we're approaching this and that is self-interested level. In other words, we are at a major scandal inflection point. Well, right. There's also the aspect that Donald Trump, when confronted with things. not not of this magnitude, but certainly, you know, when he's been asked about. different things that foreign agencies have been doing to America, he goes, well, we all do it. We do it to them. We do it to them. So it's possible he doesn't think it's that serious. The thing that I find odd is that China is our adversary.

In the first administration, Donald Trump was, you know, very anti-China, was going to show China up, and there was a lot of support in Wall Street on Wall Street for that. Now he seems to be, a personally. enriched, but B, he's not he's trying to buddy up to China. Well, I think first thing that didn't go very well in the first administration, I mean, he went into the first administration and they were going to do the following. things to China.

And China emerged out of that, that as. probably arguably. and probably stronger than, than when it went in. So in a way, he has come, I think, to the understanding, you know, it's China. We're kind of stuck here, but I, I think, I think it's, it's larger than and has to be. larger than, than him brushing this off.

and saying, well, it's not a, you know, it's not that important. And he may also have thought, oh, I had lots of affairs. This isn't important. You think he had affairs with Chinese spies? Possibly. I think he had to face with Eastern Europeans. Russians. Okay. Okay, then a very interesting. That was. The 80s and 90s. when Trump was probably peak affair and now we're moving into Chinese. So no, I think it's good. And I hadn't I hadn't thought of that. Don't know why I didn't think think of that.

But certainly the 1990s were, were a time of, of of, of a whole range of, of people seeking influence in the United States. sending and having to do with the modeling industry bringing, bringing women from Eastern Europe into the US. Right. Red sparrows, they were thought. And Trump was certainly very much involved with this, obviously.

Trump. Trump married a in Eastern European model. So well. I mean he really married to because if Ana was an a quasi model okay. Married two. So so he is not unfamiliar with the, the possibilities here. Yeah, exactly. So all I'm saying is, is he thinking, oh, interesting. I'm not interested in the Asian women. I'm more of a kind of Eastern European guy. Yeah. You know, the locker room talk. But even let's extend let's extend this because here is.

we know we know the stakes here. The stakes are much, much harder. This is Nydia is, is. as Nvidia goes so goes the country in a sense. Exactly. And and the Chinese and he has been. I mean, it's one of the sort of the pivotal. things that has happened in diplomatically in the second administration. is his negotiations with the Chinese to let them have this. otherwise pro proscribed technology.

And it's mostly Nvidia technology. And then we have the CEO having an affair with the Chinese spy. So many questions. First of all, was she a Chinese spy when she started. having the affair with him? Or was she having the affair with him? And the Chinese intelligence got to her and said, we know what's going on. We need you to give us information. We don't actually know that. We don't know what kind of. We have not we have not heard from her. We don't know. She's disappeared. Do we know?

We don't know where she is? Yes, she's. She's gone. She's disappeared. And she may have disappeared forever. She's just going to say she may never reappear. I would not want to be Alice Wong right now. Poor woman. Whatever. But. But let's just talk about the timing of this, right? Because the New York Times gets. Before we go just to just let me, enter here. But we have another affair, too. Well, we have another affair with someone that he worked with who, as far as we know. Right. Well, who he also worked with because he worked with Alice.

So Alice was a customer. She worked for a company called Mega Speed, which already in my head. I'm calling Mega Scam, which appears to have been a shell company. Mega Speed. We should call MAGA o maga speeds very good or MAGA scam, which was set up in Singapore. She was a TV journalist. Chinese TV journalist ends up running this company called. Mega Speed in Singapore, which appears to have been a shell company. circumventing trade rules to get chips into China.

Right? I mean, ironically, this means that actually Nvidia's sales appear to have gone up. throughout this entire process. But but my question is about the timing of this. We've known well, the intelligence services have known this. Affairs been going on for some time. We know that Trump still took Jensen Wang to China with him. on his most recent visit. Indeed, they made a special trip to Alaska to pick him up. Because he wasn't initially on the guest list of people that Trump was taking.

And. Well, I think that he seems to have been quite likely kept off the list. Exactly by the people. Because of other people within the administration knew. that this is a problem. Right. And then Trump deliberately added him. But my question is timing, because this has come out. Jensen Wang's now had to resign where a week after. the midterms was this designed for? Was this initially planned by the leakers.

that Jensen would would somehow resign either the week before the midterms? No, I don't think so. I think so, because, I mean, there's also before and after the midterms here. So one of the things that has happened to, to, poor Mr. Wang is that his ultimate protection. has suddenly had a grievous loss of power, which is Donald Trump. And so this story,

among among the many facets of this, this story is a. is a measure of Trump's loss of power. I mean, I think, I think we have we have to see that in, in this light. that that that the board, Nvidia's board. probably would not have acted. if Donald Trump were still the Donald Trump of your,

which is to say that it is. almost an all powerful presence. within the within the technology industry. Okay. That has radically shifted with the with the midterms. So I think that's one of the, one of the things that we're, that, that we're seeing is an appreciation in the technology. community that. that times have changed. And I think that's going to expand out in everybody in the technology community,

whether they are having affairs or not. And I suspect many are having affairs. Are, are, are probably, you know, reevaluating many, many aspects of their relationship. to Washington and Trump and to power and to their own entitlement. So I think that's something that's. something we ought to very clearly keep our eyes on. So meaning what? That would be anxious that they're going to be facing Elizabeth Warren.

and various Democratic committees as opposed to Republican committees. For one thing. Yes. And I think the heavy hand of Donald Trump, which would have been previously on their side. Now matters much less. Much less. And so if you're on the video board and you get a call from Donald Trump. and he starts doing his, you know, Donald Trump gas bag, you know what what whatever you're going to go.

that's going to be much less, that's not going to leave you as quaking in your boots. as it might have been prior to the midterms. Right. But the other thing, thing your point, your your point is the leak. This leak came out before the midterms. So was it. So all I'm asking is, was it designed actually to further inflame. Democratic or independent voters against Trump? Was it actually a political. Well, I don't know. It had to come from come.

From within the administration itself. I don't think there's any indication that this was that this had somehow. gotten outside of the administration. This was not an independent, you know, you know, Jenson is. you know, this is not a not a just idle gossip thing. This was very much connected. It's not just that he was having an affair. People might have known that, but the fact that the American intelligence community. had concluded that she was a Chinese spy.

So that was the that was the the key piece of information. which would have had to come from directly within the, in the, you know, a fairly close the, the, the Trump administration. Unless you don't think it's possible, it could have come from a Chinese source to disrupt the midterms. No, I don't I. Think this is very bad for China in, in, in every way. I think they had a good thing going.

and understood that they had a good thing going with Donald Trump. And now they will have a quite, a, quite a less. good thing going with a, with a Democratic Congress. I do think, however, that there has always been. a strong strain in the Trump. coalition, let's call it, of anti-China. You know, Steve Bannon for one thing, and Steve continues to have.

lots of influence within the administration, is first and foremost and anti-China guy. And that is a thread that. is that that even as Donald Trump has, has pulled it back. and softened and made deals, has certainly remained. a, a theme throughout much of the Trump administration. They hate China. Do you think it might have come from an anti AI faction? We saw that data centers and AI played a role in.

in getting Democrats elected. Is it possible the leak came from there? Yes. I mean I mean, I think that there is also within the Trump coalition, within the MAGA base and a strong. anti, generally anti-technology. Again, Steve Bannon anti-technology. and a strong anti AI sentiment. So yes. And we can see this other in a broader sense.

of, of the of this of splits. developing which we have seen within that Trump coalition. Right. No. There's clearly a civil war in the, in the. Republican Party going on right now. I would say civil war, I think, I think. possibly over overstates, but yes, something is going on. But yesterday Axios reported that, Scott Basant, Treasury secretary, and the Howard.

Nick, Commerce secretary, had gotten into it because Commerce knew. that Commerce Department knew about this affair. And apparently the Treasury, Scott Besson was saying, why on earth didn't you do something about this? Everybody is going to be protecting their ass at this at this point. So Marco Rubio enshrine this in a report. He wants it in in writing. I think everybody saw this. as a problem, as an as an issue. Why wasn't it being dealt with.

And the only reason it wasn't being dealt. with is because Donald Trump wasn't dealing with it. That's number one. Number two, everybody hates Howard. Nick. So if you can get into it with Howard. Nick I think you take that opportunity. So you said just a minute ago and I bet, our listeners. and viewers picked up on this poor Mr. Wang, do you actually feel sorry for him? No, not in the least. Quite the opposite. It's a poor. As in saying. Oh, you were being sarcastic.

And I miss the sarcasm. No, I mean, again. It's like. Yay! Mr.. Mr. Wang, you know. Well, I wasn't sure if as a bro, you were kind of sympathizing with him. and just thinking if he'd only kept it in his pants. Nothing, you know? Why didn't he do this? I don't think I have ever sympathized with anyone in the technology industry. Okay. Okay, good. You know. Well, I'm glad that we got clear. I'm glad. We can go there. Those are your friends. Well, I'm very curious. What I find really unlikely is that he only had two affairs,

I think, in in the sort of schema of affairs, you either have one affair, one big affair, or you have many affairs. But I don't believe that you have two affairs. That seems to me weird math on this, on the affair math. So I suspect. That will be so. We're going to get more. We're going to get the drip, drip, drip. And maybe the board knows that, which was why they were like, dude, you have to fall on your sword right now. Otherwise it's all going to come up. It's all going to come out. Your way.

I think there was that that right now hurry up and and finish this off. Let's forget about the investigation. Let's forget about what? Lipton being hired to look into this. Let's just get it out of here. And all of these people remember the board. The board. Very loyal to, poor Jensen. Well. Of course, they've made so much money from him. Yeah, everybody. So nobody wants this to happen. So. So coming to the decision to make it happen is just, you know,

we have no other alternative because it is going to get worse, not going to get better. Right. And the human drama of this is so fascinating. So golf you know, girlfriend turned wife, they met when they were 17 or she, he was 17 and she was 19. Both his children and his son in law work for the company, as does the woman who he was. the other or the second name to be surfaced in this,

the human drama of it. You know, you come from humble beginnings, you marry your colleagues. We are. You build the most important, business in the world, and then you bring it all comes crashing down around you. It couldn't be more interesting. Well, let's let's be precise. It comes crashing down because one of the people he's had an affair with is a spy. Is a is a Chinese spy.

Anything else is probably survivable. I mean, anything else? I mean, who knows? If you know, if you're Jensen Wang, multiple affairs I think would be actually survivable. Yeah. Now CEOs have gone for much less. Right. Think about Mark heard. Yeah, but Bill gates, for instance, survived for many, many years. And you know, the rumors were the rumors. ET cetera, etc.. But I think again, again, this. this is about a, a about high,

a high level of, of intrigue that were, that were on here. This is this is a Chinese spy. This is China. This is the pivotal, maybe. the pivotal issue of our time. This is going to go down. Hey, spy novelists, there it is. This this is a, an intelligence failure. that that that I think is going to, I mean, resonate in all kinds.

of directions and, and achieve a, a place in history. Well, and, and with it, the humiliation of Donald Trump, complete humiliation. He knew he did nothing about. Well, I don't. Yes, I mean, I don't. Is it the humiliation? I think it's the humiliation of Donald Trump. Yes, yes. Well, I think it is a loss of power of Donald Trump. Donald Trump is in a is in a broader. moment of.

a broader existential moment than just Jensen Hwang. Right. Because of the blue wave, of course. But there is something about the fact that his AI buddy, the guy that when they had that recent group at the white House, he put Jensen right in the middle, Jensen flexing his leather Tom Ford jacket. I think there is something heliotrope. I think it's you can take this even then, even beyond humiliating, I think that there is potentially something profoundly corrupt here. Of course. So it is not just just that that that somehow his,

his bro turns out to be a having an affair with a Chinese spy. It is at some level, Donald Trump made the decision to. accommodate this or cover this up or colluded. And he's been undone, probably by his own people, Donald Trump, that this has come. The leak has come from within, as everybody keeps saying now the call is coming from within the house. Yeah. No. And I think we ought to get on to that.

And I think the Susie Wiles of it all may well be relevant. So I know you've been talking to people about Susie Wiles. Tell me what you've been hearing. I've heard simply that. that for the last number of months, and that may be longer than months, and I suspect it is longer than months. I suspect Susie Wiles has been on a slow burn, probably, perhaps since day one of this administration. Well, and probably exacerbated by cancer.

I'm sure that when you're facing cancer down, you have a reappraisal. of what's important. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you I mean cancer. You wouldn't. Answer cancer. Cancer is cancer is bad. But Donald Trump is worse. Right? But I wonder if she thinks that Donald Trump actually somehow. triggered her cancer. I don't want to even begin to question the science of that, but. Well, there is no science to it. Yeah, you're always telling me. that gas has nothing to do with stress, and I disagree, but.

But I think the fact is she has been the one who has kept this, this white House in West Wing in, in, in, in. a pretty stable condition, which is, which is unlikely. in Donald Trump's history. And she has more and more and this is what's been described to me. as people who and people who who know her rather. well and have seen her is that. is that this has flipped over at some point in the.

and somebody suggested to me that this was happened really over the summer of, of, of, of pure coming to terms with how much she hates him. And, and that was that increased. and increased and increased and increased and. and and who would be surprised? So what does that mean? She's I think. She, is she going to go up against him?

No, I don't think she's going to go. I mean I assume that she's a professional. I assume that she's. she is someone who is. is, you know, and I'm saying this now, and I'm just reversing myself slightly. because she worked for Ron DeSantis. She had a, she was a close. a, a close advisor, a central advisor to Ron DeSantis.

They had a falling out and she went after him. Right. I mean in in some sense Trump's. reemergence in 2022. and then his attacks on Ron DeSantis, I mean, his obliteration of Ron DeSantis. was led by Susie Wiles. So never say never. I don't I don't know, I know that. that the reports are now she hates Donald Trump hates.

So does she. I mean, she's still on his payroll because he's moved her to his. whatever his political thing is. And, so she still earning money from him, but is she going to get subpoenas to, you know, find out about all sorts of alleged in competencies once. He is she going to be subpoenaed? I'm sure she will be subpoenaed. And I'm sure the Trump administration will respond in a in the way that they do. National security and executive privilege in part of the next chapter.

is going to be a lot of resisting subpoenas, a lot of going to war with. Of course, there'll be tons of. Right. And I'm sure there'll be lots of accusations. Well, I'm sure the Democrats will be very active on the. Okay. You're not going to I'm not going to cooperate. You're going to go to jail. So we know that Peter Navarro went to jail because he was in contempt. We know that Steve Bannon, your great friend, went to jail in contempt. Is Susie Wiles going to go? I think a lot of this will come down to are people going to go to jail.

to protect Donald Trump? Would Susie Wiles do that? Those the the people who went to jail in the Trump. allies, who went to jail, went to jail when Joe Biden was president? So, it's a different situation when that. when the sitting president is claiming executive privilege. That's fair point. That's the point. But but does it not make any it can't. The Democrats demand that they appear before them in Congress.

You know, it's it's one of those one of those constitutional conflicts. Yes. They can will it be negotiated? Will it's it's it becomes a complicated issue. But don't you think the Democrats think they have a mandate. now to bring every single person that works in the white House before them? You know. I think I think I think. The, the Democrats, what's in the Democrats head? I would. say usually nothing that interesting is in the Democrats head, but. I think they have to make that that estimation.

Are they looking like, are are they seriously trying. to do something for the American people, or are they doing. engaged in performative acts which achieve nothing. But can't they do both? Can't they chew gum and walk at the same time? I would say unlikely that they can. And. Also. And also also remember there's this you only get to send so many messages. and remember the Democrats have have tried to do this before this very thing.

Let's confront and, and a couple of things they didn't confront very well. They deterred and did it at the last minute and not with a not, not enough time. And then and then that plays into Trump's hand. So the Democrats have to figure out and they still have to answer that. central question, which they have never quite been able to answer, except possibly in the midterms. They've somewhat figured figured it out about how to deal with Donald Trump.

Right. Okay. So I'm just going to read some of the names. that were at the party for Susie Wiles, which tells us something. about who's thinking of running, who wants to stay on her good side. ET cetera. Who was missing spotted. And I'm thanking Politico for this spotted Treasury Secretary Scott. Energy secretary Chris. Right. Our friend. at your Health and Human services secretary. Here's how to cook and omelet.

By the way, it was 25 years yesterday since the anniversary of me. finding the dead were going and cutting off his penis. and putting it in the freezer for me to look at later. Anyway. There are many commenters who have petitioned for you to stop doing. That know, but some people still like it Mehmet Oz, Christopher Landau. they're from. Dwindling. Dwindling dwindling. FCC chair Brendan car Canadian. Ambassador Mark Weissman that's an interesting one.

New Zealand ambassador Chris Seed, Australian Ambassador. Greg Moriarty there's no sign of the British ambassador here. And then various other names. Joe Gibbs, one of the co-founders of Airbnb. He was there. No, it appears to be no JD Vance and no Marco Rubio. It's possible that they dropped in. And our correspondent Politico, this just.

Seems to me a list of people who go anywhere for a free drink. Well, that's that's very possible. A bit like the 11 Democrats who didn't turn up to vote. for the impeachment of of Pete Hegseth. What was your interpretation of that? I mean, I thought it looked pretty bad for Hakeem Jeffries that he couldn't. get his people there, but I think you'd probably have a different take on it. I do. Inevitably. I think I think everybody dislikes Massie. I think he's a pain at everybody. Thomas Massie, who brought the impeachment order?

Yeah, I mean, I think I think that, that he's performative. He's a he's a, a representative of one. And, and. I also think that this action that he brought kind of undermines. a concerted plan to accomplish this in the, when the Democrats do have a majority. So, I mean, why is he bringing this now? It's just because he's outgoing. Yes. Well, just because. Of him. Yeah. This is about me.

And I think everybody said, you know, you know, I'll sit this one out. I don't think that's what happened. I think they missed the time to get home. I think they missed their schedule. I think they were to drinks party. Because nobody likes to vote. And they closed the doors on the vote. Yeah. And I think probably purposefully, you know, nothing. Nothing happens. Well, maybe it maybe it does. Maybe everybody is a stumble bum and an incompetent and,

and can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Well. Who. Does that remind me? Or. Yes. Donald. Trump or. Everybody is calculated. And, So you think it's possibly. Calculated that the Democrats didn't bother to turn up for the impeachment? I don't. Yeah, I don't think that they wanted. I don't I don't think they wanted to get behind Massie on this. Okay. They didn't want it to be Massie show. They didn't want to Massie to get the credit,

and they didn't want to get into a situation that they were going to lose, which they did lose. And even if they had shown up, they would have lost. I mean, the question now is, what do they do? I mean, this is kind of irrelevant at this this point. The New Democratic Party begins on January 3rd. The new Democratic power begins on January 3rd. What happens then? How do you take on Seth? How do you take on Blanche? How do you take on RFK junior?

How do you take on Donald Trump? That is what what I'm sure that they are trying to figure out now. And there's Thomas Massie. Thomas Massie. He's an irrelevance. You know, jumping the gun on this. Did you see there was a wonderful moment with and I think his name is Doug Collins. As they were walking up the steps to the Veterans Day. memorial service, Donald Trump is in front of them, and Pete.

and Doug Collins do a fist bump behind the president, which is obviously. a fist bump for Hegseth, having survived the impeachment vote. And then did you see and it was beautifully caught on camera. for us by Nell Scovell, who watched every moment of the veteran service. And then, of course, Pete. Hegseth got shouted at at the tomb of the Unknown Soldier, where. I would say he got he. Got dressed down, okay. More than you know. You know, he had he he had he was called on the carpet.

I mean, he was. laughing or, or having a good time. at a particular space, which is, is, You know, a. space that the, that the military certainly considers. And he is civilian leader of the military of a, a sacred space. Right. And he was caught laughing at it on Veterans Day.

He would know the rules. And the young soldier who was marching back and forth. and guarding the space yelled at him and to remind him, silence! No laughing. That's not what happens here. We're going to play that clip. Oh, this is we'll make it happen.

Silence and respect. And all times. That is actually a pretty remarkable moment, isn't it, that the Defense secretary gets. exposed like that and told us by this young guard. I wonder what happens him? Does he, like Alice Wang, disappear? Does he get promoted? You know.

Well, well, they they were forced the the Defense Department. was forced to issue a statement in which they acknowledge that, well, they didn't acknowledge that Hagar's had done. anything inappropriate, but they acknowledged that the, that the Sentinel had done what was appropriate. Yeah. So what happens to him? Yeah. He does. Hager say, find that guy. He gets totally, totally.

Never see him again. Well, we. Appreciate your we appreciate you. But does. But the larger question of course. Is is Hager here. Yeah. What happens to hackers. Does Trump blame him for the war and move on? Well I think that's the thing. This is a binary. At this point he gets blamed or he gets, where he is. Is Trump's protection even more? You know, Trump is going now to engage in this, in doing everything possible.

to make the Democrats respond in a way that. that's useful to him. So he's baiting he's going to bait everybody. And the Democrats are reliable, reliable. He reliably baits them and they respond in a, in a, in a way that, that he can take advantage of, which he always does. So that we're going to that's going to play out now constantly.

I mean, so he did this this thing, this was really kind of extraordinary. But, you know, we're in extraordinary times in which. the Justice Department. announced that they were going to. when Congress, the new Congress, starts. to investigate the administration, as it has, of course, every right to do. When that happens, the Justice Department is going to. investigate the investigators.

Now, this is completely meaningless, but it is just a kind of their chumming, the waters. How can we get the Democrats to react in a way that will make them seem, hysterical, hysterical, ineffectual, weak, And distract them from doing the things that actually the voters want them to do, which is bring prices down and corruption get ice off the streets. Yes, exactly. I mean, be effective in. Other ways. So there is a how can how can we provoke a war with.

With the Democrats. And with the Democrats? Yes. And what's going to be really interesting is the sort of split in the Democrats. And I think that probably is still a civil war. going on in that party about how they respond to Trump. You have a lot of civil wars. I do have a lot of civil wars. But I do think, you know, the Dems are supposed to be this big tent, but at some point they're going to have to come together on a philosophy, if you like, of how, as you say, they handle Donald Trump. and do they rise to his continuous bait or do they let it go?

And arguably, you know, there's somewhat pathetic efforts. to go after Trump during the Biden era led to Trump coming back. Yeah. No. Absolutely. Again, for criminal trials, one one resulting in a conviction. And Donald Trump. Is. Is president. As president. Is president. And the Supreme Court basically said, you've got a free pass. Right now. So Donald Trump.

We will have this this. we we are going to see, especially after January 3rd, Donald Trump and the Trump administration. go to war with the Democrats and with Congress. But there's going to be problems with that, too. So they are in the Democrats are in a new world. The Trump is in a new world. And among the issues is, nobody works for the Justice Department anymore, right? So many people have been leaving. Right.

So all of within Trump is going to start to go. Trump is going to want to wage war with the Democrats. But most of the people he has had on his side to wage war are leaving. It is going to be. Donald Trump and Stephen Miller. That is it. And Todd Blanche. And Todd Blanche. But even that Todd Blanche, at some point, I mean, Todd Blanche is in deep but.

but I've I've, I've got to assume that he unless he's just, you know, I'm in too deep. I, I'm stuck. He's got to start protecting himself, so. I, I it's hard to understand. I was going to say it's hard to see what happens here, but actually, we've seen this before, which is, you know, this is exactly what happened after, the, the the loss of the election in 2020,

the entire white House, the administration, everybody in a. who who was a semiprofessional. got out of there as fast as, as fast as they could. And he was left with Rudy Giuliani. And then this band of nutcases. Including Stephen Miller. No, actually, even Stephen Miller. at that point stepped aside from there. Stephen Stephen. Miller had stayed with him the whole time.

Well, no. During that, Stephen Miller came back after after January 6th. and after it became clear that that the party itself, I mean, Stephen Miller came, came, came back, made his amends and and came back. But he was not among that group of, of Rudy Giuliani crazies who, who came to who came to stand behind Donald Trump. And I think we're going to see this again.

It's Stephen Miller. Stephen Miller will be in the Rudy Giuliani role, possibly. And then other true believers, people who have nowhere else to go. will be beside Trump, and everybody else will be, I'm out of here. Susie Wiles, case in point, right? This time of year, something's always going wrong at the worst possible moment. And your customers don't care who fixes it, just who answers first. That's why today's episode is brought to you by quo, spelled Q.

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beast. So what happens do we think to ice. Does Stephen Miller double down. We know he's the architect of the anti-immigration policy. that this government has, you know, followed aggressively. I mean strangely, Trump could have got a win. for closing the border, but instead. he's ended up with people.

hating what Ice has done on the streets of America. Does the appointment of Stephen Miller hastily, though it was done? I mean, if he had walked. We did. Trump. Trump doesn't know, right? Okay. I mean, I mean, at this point, I mean, so we've had he goes on 60 minutes. and says and says he's he's open to some kind of compromise on on immigration. Everybody goes, oh my God. You know it's really it's happened. He's been he's been humbled. And then he immediately reverses that open to nothing.

And he's deporting everybody again. Where is that going to end up? I don't know, I mean, one of the things that is going to happen and one of the things that the that the, that the new. Congress could easily do is defund Ice. I mean, they, they really have a clear. remedy on that issue. And, and, you know, which would, which would probably be popular. And what happens in that case to Mark.

Wayne Mullin, who appears to have been silent. since the midterms, Mark Wayne, your friend, the former wrestler. who tried to appoint his security detail as head of ice. The man with the. This is Lance Froya, who, Yeah, I know, I don't know what happens to him. And does anyone care? The highway patrol man? Yeah. I don't think. I mean, I don't think anyone cares, just the irrelevancy. And so maybe ice gets closed down, which would be the best possible thing for it. Yeah. And and how does Stephen Miller I mean, remember,

this is Stephen Miller's issue I don't know. I mean, I think this I think Stephen, I've said before, I think Stephen Miller. last four months, this comes across very quickly. Stephen Miller can't do this job. by just doesn't have the the skills or temperament. to manage a complex organization. had doesn't nor the experience and. and he is single minded in his in in this this is his issue.

And I think if this issue demands. any kind of nuance or compromise, he falls apart. And the Democrats have already said they're not going to work with him. All right. So final subject for today. Your favorite person in mine, Melania, again, I've tried to join her Imperial network. I'm struggling to find how to join it, but I think you have thoughts on it. Well, you know, my thoughts continue. I mean, what's her game?

And you can begin to. sense that her game is not Donald Trump's game. I mean, I mean, now she's set up this thing that seems to violate. all kinds of the new Trump. Second, Trump administration rules against die. Yeah. And she seems to pay no mind to that. And I, I suspect that she like. we're going to see among many members of this.

this administration wants her distance. Well she's already got. Her distance right. She's she's got her certainly has her physical distance. Right. And she has their, her marital distance. and she has her. you know, I mean she has would be hard to express greater, greater contempt for, for her husband, the president. But I think now we're going to see possibly policy differences.

that she wants to she wants to be a. better person than the Trump administration. would like her to be interesting. So that leaves us with Natalie Harp. How is Natalie Harp faring after the midterms, given that her one. and only the son she is, life revolves. Natalie Harp will be there till the last moment to his last.

breathing moment, so everybody may well have scattered. By the time Trump exits from the the presidency. But Natalie Harp will return with him tomorrow. Is there a is there a moment where Donald Trump. gets bored with Natalie Harp that he's like, enough with Natalie Harp? Where's the new Natalie Harp? Oh, interesting. Something for us to keep our eyes on. Yes, indeed. A 40 year old Natalie Harp.

That could be. Oh, 25 year old. Yes. No. But I mean, when she turns, when she, She could age out of this role at any moment. Good point. Possibly a Chinese spy can find. Yeah. We don't think nasty Chinese spy. Do we? I mean, you know who could have been a Chinese spy? Who? Joanna. Katie Zachariah spent time in China, worked as a lawyer. As an attorney in. In China. You know, she was giving Chinese.

Chinese. business advice, apparently. According to. According to her. Anyway. I see. Okay. Possible that the Chinese had gotten to her, and that's how she ended up. getting the job. Anyway, she didn't last very long. But, Katie, if you've got anything you want to tell us where we're available. We're available to hear. But I'm really fascinated to figure out where the leak. of the Jenson Wang story came from.

As are many people. Yeah. And the timing of it anyway. We'll be back to discuss, inevitably more of this story. It couldn't be more gripping. We'll be back on Saturday to talk about it. Won't we? All being well. Or being well. Or being well? If you have been, thank you for joining us. Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast wherever you get your podcasts. And big thanks to our production team Ryan Murray, John Romero, Rachel Passer, Heather Pesaro and Neil Rosenhaus. So the good news is we have so many BBC tier members now.

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