This Is Why Trump Surrounds Himself With Idiots | Inside Trump's Head

People have a very hard time understanding the full sense of a man. who is the president of the United States, who is, as he has said, about. so many other people. Dumb as a brick himself. And couple that with the fact that he doesn't give. anyone else around him who might. the independence and the wherewithal to to deal with those issues. It's why he's filled the administration, the second term, with unqualified people,

or ons of one variety or another, because he can't have people who are clearly smarter than he is. He can't have people, as in the first administration. who went around saying, oh my God, what an idiot. Michael. Happy birthday. It's not my birthday. Yes, it is your birthday. It is, it is. When is your birthday?

I asked your wife when your birthday was. She told me it was August the 27th. October? Literally. Your wife told me about. It was August the 27th. She's just screwing with you. That's Lyndon Johnson's birthday. Okay. Oh, Lyndon Johnson's birthday. Like I would have known that date. Like anybody would have known that date apart from the Johnson's family. But this is odd because I asked her, like, three weeks ago, what a strange thing to do.

Anyway, you will find a delivery making its way to you. Which don't eat them. Don't eat what we've sent. Then I'll wait till October. Wait till October, please. And happy birthday for October. In case I forget. That's such a strange thing to do. To lie about your spouse's birthday. Unless she couldn't remember and she felt caught out. Probably. That's probably it. Is it really your birthday? Is it? No. I just told you it's not my birthday.

Let me. Let me be more precise. It's never my birthday. Okay, so it could be your birthday. It could be your birthday. And the good news? Definitely Lyndon Johnson's birthday. Okay, so you were born on the same day as Lyndon Johnson, is what you're telling me. Do you know? I'm telling you, Lyndon, August 27th is Lyndon Johnson's birthday. Is will go unmentioned, unremarked upon. Guess who I share a birthday with then?

If we're doing sharing birthdays, who's your birthday? At your birthday twin is Lyndon Johnson. Guess who my birthday twin is on the edge of my seat here. Okay. Notorious 20th century bad guy. Like, really bad guy, Jeffrey Epstein, you're. You and Jeffrey Epstein were born on the same day. No. Much, much worse than Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein was pretty bad. And we saw Glenn Maxwell desperately trying to get an appeal.

And that got slapped by the judge this week who said that all her arguments, in fact, simply strengthened the reason she was in jail. Who would be worse than that? Jeffrey Epstein, it could you possibly, sir, share a birthday with the H man? Yeah, I share a birthday with the H man I see. Oh, yes. Michael, I think you're ageless. You're ageless. Unfortunately, I am not ageless.

And there in lies the pain. But let's. Let's get to what we're here to get to. We're doing. Oh, we got Darlene Graham again. Geez, we're never going to get rid of her. We have we have interest rates. Something I actually find kind of sexy. We have the end of the Kennedy Center. We have Hagar's. Oh, Hagar's. I'm really getting to love old Hagar's. We have the CIA chief.

in his secret trip to Moscow. What was he actually doing there? And we have. another. Another favorite. And the measles epidemic. in extraordinary development, in modern health. Really extraordinary. And then we have the the Massachusetts. primary and your. in your crush, Seth Moulton.

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Anyway, I think we should just note the passing. of a great country singer, and she was so much more than that. And in fact, it turns out I think this is correct. Her obituary. Dolly Parton's obituary is the most read. obituary of all time in The New York Times. I'm trying to say this she's only been dead for some. 24 hours, so I imagine how many people read it.

Yes, I know, but I assume where does this figure? This can't possibly be true. But it's true. I got sent a note about it this morning. I think it's possibly true. Is it because she had such enormous breasts? When I asked a few people why, it could be that. Dolly Parton's obit was the most read in the New York. Times of all time, it appears a few people suggested. Well, one person in particular suggested it was because she had very big breasts.

Well, in big hair, that's a combination. That's a that's an unbeatable combination. Well, as we know, Dolly Parton refused to take political sides. She had values that were very much in line. with the left, I guess, or frankly, with decent people. She was, you know, but she had to make a living in the South, so she had to make a living in the South. Well, no, actually, what I was going to say is Donald. Trump talking to Glenn Beck.

Why is anybody talking to Glenn Beck? Who knows? And why is the president with I thought I thought you just called them Glenn. Beck. No, no. You've got Gillen on the brain. Glenn Beck, Donald Trump, the president of the free world, or the president of, I should say, the president of the United States. In theory, the leader of the free world said, I knew her a little bit. She wasn't a very political person. She really liked me, I will tell you. But she was a great person.

It was a natural thing to lower the flag. So I know Donald Trump's playlist and Dolly Parton was not on it. What is on his playlist? Michael, you're burying the lead. What is on Donald Trump's playlist apart from, as he calls. it, the gay anthem or the gay YMCA? Yeah, no. A lot of, you know, I'm unlikely kinds of, you know, pop the pop canon 30 years out of date.

So Gloria Gaynor's I Will survive, I bet is on there. Yeah, I can't get it. I actually don't have I have I had a list. This was a. this was passed to me during the campaign because all of those people on the plane. had to listen to this over and over and over again. I will I will recover it. Oh, please recover it. And also we had your video of Natalie Harp tapping her foot. She had her headphones in, you could hear music in the background, and she was tapping her foot on the president's plane.

Yeah, no. And it's actually interesting during that, you know, these campaigns, a whole life, a parallel hermetic life takes place, takes place on the plane. So is it like a dance party on the plane if they're playing music, is it? Well, it's like. in any it's like a flying office, really. But is it a flying office that's kind of, you know, upbeat. Didn't play the music to be upbeat.

I find music distracting in an office. Yeah, he plays it. I mean, it's what he's. So it's it's his playlist. And yes, that's the kind of. That was a kind of sign on the plane to, you know, okay, we can we can all relax. We're all off duty at this point. And now we have to listen to Donald Trump's playlist. If weight loss has felt like a losing battle this summer. can be different, skip the guesswork and try weight loss by hymns.

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is dead. Well and Tim Curry who was in. Rocky Horror Show also dead also 80. What do they have in common with the president of the United States? Also, you know, well, 80 is that, you know, is a is a mortal begins. to be a seriously mortal moment. You're in your 80s. This is your ninth decade. So do you think he felt a tiny bit.

more fragile, waking up to the news that Dolly Parton had died? Because I'm assuming he woke up sort of at lunchtime? Yes, I'm absolutely sure he did. I mean, I when I see people who are my age. who are who go down, I register it. I think everybody does. I'm trying to figure out if I can. And, and and and just that point out everyone does.

But in a particular a 300 pound man who stuffs himself with poison. and who hasn't done a lick of exercise ever. might have an even more immediate reaction. to other people's mortality at his age. Well, and to is also very sleep disordered. I think that's the thing I think of almost more than anything else. is that just it messes with your memory.

It messes with your cognitive ability. What? Death? Well, obviously death does. No. Not sleeping well. I mean, we know he doesn't sleep well. because he's always frantically posting in the middle of the night. And so 80 year olds need less sleep. Do they need less sleep? Oh, yes, yes I am. As I. realize that whatever age I am, which we will, we will gloss over. I need a lot less sleep.

Oh, interesting. Well, twice you're young. In my dreams. I'm young. Dolly Parton twice declined the Presidential Medal of Freedom. from Donald Trump, and she declined it from Joe Biden, stating scheduling conflicts, which is the perfect excuse. for anything you want to get out of. I know a lot of business people. who have managed to avoid meeting Donald Trump despite. having been summoned to the white House claiming scheduling conflicts.

And then I think Trump just moves on. I mean, there's. there is a reason of obviously to avoid meeting Donald, Donald Trump. But if she declined both Joe Biden's. offer and Donald Trump's offer, I think that that's great. I mean, that's everybody should decline. these ridiculous offers which which have nothing to do with anything. except some somebodies PR agenda, everybody stopping. snow, inviting people to the white House.

No, not stop. Stop giving out these phony baloney awards. Okay. Stop giving out phony baloney awards. Michael Wolff I'm not accepting. Okay, so if you get off of one, I will remind you not to accept it. You will? Okay, well, who knows? Someone might give you an award. Yeah. Well, I they actually, they have. And it's a terrible experience. You have not got the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

No, I haven't gotten that. But but of the of the other awards that I have gotten, I think maybe I was sitting next to you during at least one of those awards. that I have gotten, and that's the National Magazine award. Yes. And I actually got that, as I recall. I got that, but the other times that I didn't get it and. everybody kind of looks away from, you know, you're nominated.

You're there. Right. And, and then and then you don't get and people are up. until that moment, people are looking at you like you're the sun god. And then when you don't get it, everybody's. they're, they're, they're gaze is averted and they don't want to meet your eye. But we both have one, actually. And every now and then you can see them behind us. You've got to. You've got to. I have one, but occasionally you can see them behind us when we're in certain.

backgrounds, certain rooms. And people often comment. What are those things? They are they. Alexander Calder statues for the National Magazine Awards? That's when they are. When there were magazines. When there were magazines. Now they don't matter. Well, I want to segue from Jolene, Jolene to Darlene. Darlene. Darlene Graham, a winner, winner, winner. Chicken dinner. And now you have segue. I have segue very successfully to Darlene Graham will be the Republican candidate.

for Senate in South Carolina, replacing her brother Lindsey, who, as Donald Trump once said, has never met a country. he didn't want to bomb, despite a well, I think it's fair to say, an awkward. moment during a debate where she was asked about Taiwan. Yeah. Terrible campaign. I mean, she doesn't know how to do this. She's not a politician. She doesn't know anything about politics.

She doesn't know anything about the issues one is somewhat required to know about. She's a she's a cipher, and but she's Donald Trump's cipher. Well, I suppose an outsider insider. And isn't that what people like? People like outsiders at the moment? People don't want politicians. That's why Trump managed to work his way in. Well, yeah. No, I mean, I think that that's largely true, but but they also don't. like people in the who look like they're in the headlights.

Oh, what am I doing here? Which which she she did look like. Yeah. I mean, completely confused person. Completely, you know, pushed out onto the stage without with. and suddenly having to sing and completely tone deaf. And this is an over I mean, and so she got this. She, she got the nomination because Donald Trump was embarrassed. I mean, he had to do this. I mean, he had to deliver this.

And he spent an enormous amount of money. And Donald Trump never spends his own money. I mean, this is actually becoming an issue in the the midterm campaign writ large. Donald Trump has a ton of money which he could spend. and he doesn't want to, and he probably won't. Why? Because he wants to keep this money for himself, obviously. But he did was forced to spend on Darlene. Graham and that got her elected.

Well, that got her the nomination. Now she has to get elected, which suddenly is a. is makes South Carolina. more problematic than it has ever been. She could lose the she's running against some of them by the name of Annie Andrews. Love that name. And and. and she could she could lose because, you know, she's.

first thing she's going to go into a campaign. and she's going to make a mistake after mistake after mistake. because she doesn't know anything. And Annie Andrews, this also an outsider. She's a pediatrician. She's a mother of three running on affordability. but also running on school shootings against school shootings. I mean, that's that sounds like a more estimable. argument and resume than I am. the sister of a dead brother.

You have said before that you thought Donald Trump was doing this. because he understands the sentimental storyline. I come back to the question, is it possible. he actually thought of Lindsey Graham as a friend? Well, I think he thought of him as an acolyte. I think he thought of him as a suck up. I think he thought of him as a guy who graveled before him at a. in a, in a greater way than other growlers,

and that would have, in fact endeared him to Donald Trump. So he was groveling in chief. Yeah. Well, I mean, one of many grovel is in chief. He's. Yeah, he's he I mean, he was incredibly good at this. He was incredibly good at playing Donald Trump. And as I said, I've spent some time talking to Lindsey Graham. And I know that out of the other side of his mouth, he was,

he was, you know, I mean, I would not say he openly criticized. he he but he was funny on the subject of Donald Trump. Funny to the extent that you thought, oh my God, this guy sees through. Donald Trump. Of course, this is all this is all for a show. This, this sucking. and licking and whatever it was. Well, fellow.

South Carolinian or someone who at least was living in the beautiful city. of Charleston, Scott Bissonnette, also a bit of a grovel in chief, you know, loves to. sit around the cabinet table saying the markets have never been so good. And that's thanks to you, Mr. President. Who seems to be in some kind of economy and everybody is. just let's point this out. Everyone in this little discussion is gay. I guess Darlene is not gay, but Lindsey Graham is gay.

Scott Best is gay. I won't draw any further conclusion than that, except that on one of the occasions that I sat with Donald Trump. for several hours, I was overwhelmingly aware. of the of the of of his of what he did with his legs. in a, in a very feminine posture. What are you talking about? Well, he's he crossed them in a, in this in this very like.

like like a woman and he had and I could see his legs. They came up his, his, his pants came up over his socks. And they were fragile, kind of dainty legs. Anyway, I became kind of obsessed with this. because when you talk to Donald Trump, he does all of the talking and a lot of it is incredibly boring. So therefore you are you're you're.

looking around to somehow pass the time. And I focused on his legs. Well, his legs now seem swollen with CVI. Chronic venous insufficient. Did they did not. Then this would have been in. 21 2021. And and his legs were were very fine at that moment svelte. Well as we mentioned. He's 80.

So these things creep up on you. But what I was trying to do was say that Scott Best, Secretary of the Treasury, is in some sort of conflict, I think, with the new chair of the fed, Kevin Walsh. Kevin Walsh says in theory he believes in dropping interest rates, but has gotten there and discovered inflation's higher than he expected. Just I'm not sure that they're necessarily in conflict. They both know what their job is,

which is to which is to bring down interest rates. The problem is that that's very, very difficult, if not impossible. And no, and it's an interesting thing that's an interesting Donald Trump window, because Donald Trump believes that the key. to any election of winning election is low interest rates. And he's always insisting, demanding that interest rates be lowered. Not quite understanding.

It would appear that that that you can't that interest rates are. the president of the United States does not have control of interest rates. Interest rates are, in this modern world, a global phenomenon. There are they are they are dictated by all kinds of factors. which which have something to do with the United States, but not everything to do with the United States. And and it would appear and has appeared in.

now over many years, that Donald Trump can't get that through his thick head. And he just insists, I want lower interest rates, refusing to. to comprehend. everything that that might, might entail. If you lower interest rates when they should not be lowered, inflation is going to go up. It's a it's it's again, one of those things that Donald Trump, a uninformed man, a dumb man, can't get.

I mean, he's smart enough to know that people like lower interest. rates, especially around an election, but at the same time, not smart enough to know that that can't easily be delivered in. Scott Besson is smart enough. to know that, and Kevin Warsh is smart enough to know that. But they are also having to listen to Donald Trump. call them up every ten minutes and say, lower interest rates. Well, and I think consumers are smart enough to know.

that they like lower interest rates, too, because it means that housing is cheaper. It's cheaper to buy a house. Yes. That's why Donald Trump knows that this is what voters that is in a. something that voters that voters, it's a it's. a visceral kind of kind of thing. And you think everything is good. Lower interest rates. I can I can get a, I can get a mortgage that I can afford, but that will also have the effect of creating inflation,

which people really hate, and of of destabilizing the economy. in other ways, which would be which Scott. Besson and particularly Kevin Warsh. Their job is to make sure that doesn't happen. Well and interesting too, because we witnessed Donald Trump. essentially sort of harassing. Jerome Powell, the former head of the fed. His term ran out in May despite Donald Trump,

I think, trying to sort of shoehorn him out of their incomes. Kevin Warsh, that Donald Trump says he loves, what has made noises about agreeing with him. on lowering interest rates, but in fact gets in. Inflation has just hit 4%. And Warsh is now talking. about possibly even raising interest rates before Christmas. That's what the market seems to anticipate at the moment. So interesting to know how long Trump can cope with. that before he starts attacking Kevin Warsh.

Yeah, injustice just to focus in against on on Donald Trump a fundamental. this is a fundamental issue of managing the economy, a modern economy. And he can't do it I mean and and and again, it's as though. people look at this and say, okay, yes, he wants this. for the political expedience of it, but and they don't go further to say he's. too dumb to understand the issues here, but I'm going to tell you,

he's too dumb to understand the issues. And Scott best knows that, and Kevin Warsh knows that. Should we put either of them in charge of the Kennedy Center finances, which turn out to be in terrible shape, partly because so many artists. have refused to perform, so there's been nothing to book tickets for. Trump brought in his friend Rick Grenell, former ambassador to Germany, also gay,

as you mentioned, that Trump was like, he can run it because he's gay. It's the arts. Ergo, he'll know what he's doing. He had no idea what he was doing. And now the Kennedy Center is essentially mothballed. Slash, you know, awaiting reconstruction. Well, I'm actually Rick Grinnell may have somewhat known what he's doing. I mean, Rick Grenell is is I mean, it's not the. not the brightest bulb in the world, but he's probably as. at some level of competence, the person who is at no level of competence.

here is Donald Trump, who basically took over the management of the Kennedy Center. And ultimately that was why Rick Grinnell left, was pushed out. Because, you know, I mean, he understood at minimum, he had to keep this institution going. Any institution has a certain kind of financial imperative. And and it was fallen apart because of Donald Trump,

because the demands that Donald Trump was making on it, not least of all. to changing the name of the Kennedy Center to the Donald J. Trump and John F Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts. And at that moment, everybody left, performers left, and the audience left. Leaving the Kennedy Center broke, which it is now, and broke. because of because of Donald Trump, because of Donald Trump.

insisting on what he wanted regardless of the economic realities. So like interest rates. Yes. Right. And and the National Symphony Orchestra, which was based there has had to up. sticks and move elsewhere. I mean, interesting because Usher Vance. was actually on the board of the Cincinnati Orchestra, you would have thought they would put her at least on the board of. it doesn't make any difference if they put up put on the board.

I mean, I get that, but she might have had someone actually supporting the idea. of the institution of an art center instead of saying, yes, we want limits here every week. You didn't I. that I think. I think that's one of those things. in which one of those propositions which. which ignores the reality, which is that there is no other reality. except Donald Trump wanting what Donald Trump wanted. And it doesn't matter who is on the board, the people on the board, as in so many.

aspects of Donald Trump's government, have. no independent life, have no say. They are just there to rubber stamp what Donald. Trump wants because that's their job. So do you think does he. I mean, what's inside his head on something like this? Does he think this is a win for him that his closed it down? Does he think it's everybody else's fault? I mean yes it's. Yeah. Stop there.

He thinks it's everybody else's fault. It's nothing to do with him. And to the extent that it ever occurs to him that maybe. he did have something to do with that, he's perfectly capable of of putting that. wholly out of his mind and replacing it with it is someone else's fault. It's the fault of the Democrats. It's the fault of the liberals. It's the fault of record. Now it is someone else's fault. He has a.

I you know, I think I'm a. mental inability to acknowledge his responsibility for anything. I mean, I mean, I really think that this is a. something that he cannot do, not not something that is just bad politics. And I'm going to I'm never going to assume responsibility. for this because he he literally and again. here, people are always remarking on my overuse of the word literally.

But I mean literally, he has no capacity. for except acknowledging or accepting his own responsibility. Well, and that, I think, is going to become increasingly. apparent with the war on Iran. He's already clearly blaming Pete Hegseth. for what may turn out to be his forever war.

He's already said that he was very persuasive in the process of him. making the decision to bomb Iran, and now he's just seems to be. I mean, I can't tell you the number of people I've spoken to in. and around the Pentagon who had just appalled by what's going on there. And this week. we saw that the Army secretary is going to resign by the end of the year. The chief of staff of the Army resigned earlier this year. It's a shit show.

Well, let's let's set up the stage even a little more. We're involved in in a significant war which we cannot get out of. We have we have there is a war. that Russian is waging on an ally, and with threats of expanding. that war into NATO territory. It's not it's it's actually quite reasonable to begin.

to outline a situation that is eerily parallel to, to the. to the several years that led up to World War. One of all of these conflicts. getting worse. and crossing over into other conflicts. So we're at a moment of, of. geopolitical fragility that I'm not sure that we have seen in a very long time.

And we're partly there, of course, because Donald Trump is a numskull. Again, one of those other situations in which he is incapable of, of of comprehending the, the many dimensions of a situation. But on top of that, the person who is then next. most responsible is Pete. Hegseth, also a person of well,

I mean, I mean, clearly he is he has no experience. I mean, his absolute lack of experience. And he's he's been firing. general after general, field officer after field officer. and and what to see. You know, he was his experience is that he was in. he was the second lieutenant in the National Guard. Well then that he saw service in Iraq, but he was.

Yes, but as a National Guard, you know, he didn't he doesn't have military, a National Guard. You have a kind of minimal level of military training. He was a second lieutenant. So no, no strategic. training, no. management capabilities, the management experience, none of the kinds of things that a. that that people who lead the Pentagon traditionally have or,

and they either come from business and have been CEOs of major corporations. or come from the military itself, and they. then have been to star three star, four star. generals, not Hagar's. Hagar's basic qualification is that he was, you know, the co-host of a of a weekend television show. So, I mean, this is unbelievable.

And I was just thinking about this the other day in his role as a. as a weekend television show host, because his boss, Roger Ailes, who I was very friendly with and Roger was, shall we say, free with his opinions, also free with his hands. But that's another story. But and he would call. Hegseth Colonel vodka.

that call him Colonel Vodka. Yeah. It was well, it was well known that that that the Hagar's was drunk. all of the time. He was a drunk and and that that that amused. that particular weakness amused Roger Ailes. Well, in his Senate confirmation process, he promised. not to drink on the job. It's unclear if he is drinking on the job, but astonishing to be able.

to go from drinking to possibly the most stressful job, literally. one of the most stressful jobs in the world, leading the American military and give up drinking. Perhaps less stress for him because his wife is doing the job. Yes, that was an amazing piece in the in the New York Times last week. about the importance of Jennifer Hegseth, and he says that his life was saved. I mean, this is a man who has talked openly about having PTSD,

one of the reasons that he was drinking and that his third wife, Jennifer, and happily, Jesus saved him, which is why he likes to do prayer ceremonies at the Pentagon. But let's understand the, the, the, the, the range of this job. I mean, we are talking literally. about the military industrial complex. So a management responsibility, which.

I mean, it's. just we're in the world of the preposterous, which we are often in with Donald Trump, of course, but this is really astounding. Well, the other thing that's very nerve wracking is that this week. we learned that the head of the CIA, John Ratcliffe, had gone to Moscow. to talk to the Russians and advised them not to antagonize. I don't want to use the word invade, but not to antagonize any NATO.

allies, which is what the Russians appear to be on the verge of doing. Of course, we don't know that. We know that he went to Moscow what his mission there is. We don't really know what he said. We don't really know. It could. It could very well be that that Donald Trump. sent him to Moscow to suck up to Vladimir Putin. I mean, that would not be out of character with with Donald Trump. and not out of character, as with Donald Trump's kind of inability.

to set a straight course with regard to Putin and Russia. Does he love them? Does he not love them? You know, again, we don't know. And all of these guys, the CIA chief. as well as the Pentagon chief, are, I mean, even beyond their own. severe limitations, their ultimate limitation is having. to deal with a boss who knows absolutely nothing,

can't again, cannot comprehend. all of the factors that are in play in these around. incredibly complicated situations and issues. Well, and again, on Glenn Beck, the president who has failed to get out of our now. forever war on Glenn Beck, where he had plenty of time. to discuss the world, said, oh, this was a semi routine visit. Semi routine visit.

Well, in fact, the last time a CIA director went to. Moscow was under Joe Biden's presidency. And that was to tell them, you know, we've got the intelligence, we've seen you amassing tanks on the, you know, border of Ukraine. Don't go into Ukraine. and look where that got us. Yeah. So it is unnerving. And regular viewers of the podcast will notice I have a different background. I'm actually in London and.

I can tell you people here really anxious about it. I had lunch today with several people who said, this is really unnerving. They're worried that Russia is poised to go into Lithuania, that. that will trigger article five of NATO, where people have to. then, you know, do something about the Russian invasion. And as we know, Hegseth has run down munitions. There aren't enough Patriot interceptors for the Ukrainians to deal with the drones.

that Russia is now getting increasingly sophisticated in sending in. And it's a mess. And people are nervous. They're scared, and they can no longer trust America, which is obviously not new. But you can feel it tangibly here in a way that you can't yet. in the States, they're nervous and scared of Colonel Vodka. They are nervous and scared, and they frankly, they're incredulous at Colonel Vodka. They are incredulous. He is running the American, the American armed forces.

You know what? What I it's extending that incredulous this to its real source. And its real source is, again, Donald Trump in a real appreciation, which people have a very hard time coming, kind of understanding the full sense of a man. who is the president of the United States, who is, as he has. said, about so many other people, dumb as a brick himself.

I mean, he just has he all of these issues, he does not have the information or the intelligence. to appreciate and to cope with and to address. It just doesn't not there. And couple that with the fact that he doesn't give anyone else. around him who might the independence. and the wherewithal to to deal with those issues. So when Pete Haig, Seth, who you know, is obsessed as we know.

by the warrior ethos and he wants everyone to warrior up. when he's firing all these incredibly impressive. four star generals, is that him making the decision to fire them? Is that Donald Trump saying you need to fire more generals? I mean, what could it what could possibly be in it. for Pete Hexa to fire these people? They are extremely experienced. We are in a continuous crisis position at the moment.

I understand. wanting to bring your own team in, but it's not like he comes in. with a ton of four star generals that he wants to put in place. And why would you do it at a time when we are. bombing Iran, when we're in a headlock with Iran, and Iran's got the arm over our neck, and when we're running out of munitions, that doesn't seem like the best time to fire the people who've been in charge. No, but look at it this way.

You're in this job. You're you're underqualified. You're unqualified to hold this job. Everybody knows it. Everybody knows it. And many of those people who you have to rely on. treat you as someone who is unqualified to hold this, this, this job. So you you are yourself in a constant state of absolute. insecurity and unhappiness.

So what do you do? Well, you you you get rid of the people who think you're a lummox. and who are who almost. borderline openly talk about your stupidity. and your and your. your your your failure to be able to do this job. So, I mean, I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a kind of a. I mean, you're in a kind of difficult situation.

I mean, it really it becomes binary. I mean, either you leave, you have to say, I can't, I can't, I can't do this, this job, or else you have to say, no, I'm. going to get rid of the people who feel I can't do this job, because obviously. I can't do this job if they're around ignoring me. and treating me like like, like like I'm a child. So yeah, I mean, that's what happens.

That's why that's one of the reasons, one of the management reasons why. it is very bad to put someone into a position. who is cannot have the does not. and will not have the respect of the people who work for him. So there's been very quick since the beginning. of the bombing campaign against Iran to push Dan Cain out there. Dan Cain is obviously in charge of, of the strategy of, of this war.

Does Dan Cain survive, or do you think that he. is likely to get rid of him? You know, it's like Donald Trump. I mean, think of Hagar's Colonel Vodka. as an as a kind of mini Donald Trump. Donald Trump does this. It's why he's filled the administration the second term. with with, you know, unqualified people.

more, you know, morons of one variety or another, because he can't have people who are clearly smarter than he is. He can't have people, as in the first administration. who went around saying, oh my God, what an idiot. that was. That was he understood. That undermined him, to say the least. Well, who can forget Rex Tillerson, the former CEO of Exxon, who left that job to be the secretary of state,

describing him, which was then leaked as a fucking moron? Yeah, that was his description. No. So he is in the same situation. If I'm going to be in this job, I've got to get rid of these people. who think that I'm not qualified for this, this job. Do you think that Donald Trump. I mean, Donald Trump, you have said, describes himself as having an alcoholic personality. Susie Wiles, his chief of staff, describes him as having an alcoholics personality.

I think you said that. Jeffrey Epstein once said to you that Trump was terrified of taking a drink. in case he became an alcoholic and his brother died of alcoholism. His older brother died of it, which Mary Trump, a frequent visitor to the Daily Beast podcast, has talks about. Do you think that Donald Trump sees the alcoholic personality in access. and is well attracted by that? Or do you think at this point, while things are looking so unsteady.

with Iran, that he begins to realize it could be a major weakness? Well, I think it's a this is an interpersonal. There are many interpersonal complications here. Donald Trump's interest in Pete. is that Pete Hegseth is a grovel. and a flatterer, actually, during the first administration. During the first administration, many people at Fox News. were intent upon sucking up to Donald Trump.

You only got ratings during that period. if you had a relationship with Donald Trump. And but Pete was looked at within the white House. as the most hopelessly shameless person. person, even among the other hopelessly shameless people. At Fox News, Pete Hague said during the first administration, was a joke. and but a joke to other people who watch these interactions,

but not to Donald Trump, who was, you know, kind of infatuated. with with Colonel Vodka. because Colonel Vodka said everything that Donald Trump wanted to hear, then shared war stories with, with, with Donald Trump. And that's the moment in which they bonded. That's what catapulted him into this wholly. unlikely position of being the secretary of defense.

I mean, no one would have seen that. No one saw that coming. No one would have seen that coming, except that Donald Trump, coming into the office for the second term, said, you know, all these guys who I'm going to who would be likely appointees. to this job are smarter than I am on their more experience. They have more, more credibility, I mean, the whole list. But and so Donald Trump.

was the one who put Pete on that list. Pete said no one would have put Pete on that list except Donald Trump. And that's why we've got Pete. Well, it's also why we've got. perhaps for slightly different reasons. Health Secretary measles. Now, that's what I'm going to call him. Health Secretary measles, whose single handedly brought. measles back with his nonsense about vaccinations.

Obviously, your old friend Robert Kennedy Jr, with whom you drove around the South. and listened when you shared a room at Democrats houses. where you were writing about him going down there to whip up. support for his uncle, Ted Kennedy, who was running for the Democratic. primary candidate. Presidential candidate. You witnessed his night terrors. I mean, so many parents now having night terrors about measles being back.

I mean, how is it possible we're having this conversation? The health secretary is saying, don't have vaccines for measles. And yet we've just had this week two people die from measles. Let let's let's draw. I think it's an interesting comparison between between RFK junior. and and Pete Hegseth because. because Pete is just. ultimately just just a grovel or just, you know, he, he,

he exists on the basis of, of Donald Trump's favor. And that has that has actually been incredibly important to his career. It's it's it's made him until he's unmade. RFK Jr is is different. And he's looking at this relationship with Donald Trump. in wholly opportunistic terms.

I mean, he sees himself I mean, in a person of delusional arrogance. RFK junior, as someone who has an independent future, who is finally and brilliantly. threading a political needle, which will bring him to, I assume that he at least hopes and maybe even believes the presidency. And in order to do that, he is.

he has cynically adopted this position. as anti-scientific position which appeals. to, he believes, appeals to a certain. powerful voting bloc within this country, and disregard. the fact that people are going to actually get sick and die because of it. Well, almost 3000 people have got measles this year,

which I think we've mentioned this before, but it's more than the entire number. of people in the US got measles in the first 24 years of this century. Secretary. Measles. You should be ashamed. You should be ashamed, RFK junior. You should be ashamed. And you're spending time on your podcast with fancy chefs. like Jeffrey Sachs and talking about how to make a French omelet. This is not what your job is. Yes.

Needless to say, he's not ashamed. And what he is, what he is, is, is convinced. that he is making a play here, a political, a brilliant political play. to set himself. up for a presidential run in 2028. Yes. And I you know, I find it interesting that that Trump. has not understood this.

But on the other hand, I think Trump also understands. that he has a vulnerability. with this hard core MAGA moja. crowd and and RFK junior is his cover. It's just astonishing that in 2026 we're talking about this. I mean, this has been settled by science. It's just unbelievable. Once again, I don't think people appreciate.

the Dionysius of this situation and not the. not just the dire ness of policies, but the dire ness of character. You know, it's it's the stupids and the it's it's it's stupidity. and it's a level, a level of the cynical that, you know, even in a, in a time when people have been are. Are doubtful about.

politics and politicians were well over that well and I would throw. in their craven ambition, craven ambition that they will do whatever it takes. You know, the one person we haven't talked about today is Natalie Harp. And I was going to ask you whether or not you thought. that the president's executive assistant, who, as we have chronicled. since you wrote about her in All or. Nothing two years ago. Do we do we think she's actually enjoying this moment?

I mean, there was, you know, she was in the background at the Indy car. race in D.C., and Melania was very much in the foreground, although it didn't look like she was having a good time, it clearly looked like she and Donald Trump were having an argument at one point. Interesting to. know whether or not Natalie Harp, who seems from her letters to be smitten. with the president, is this is she also vulnerable here?

I mean, she's 35, so it's not as if she's the age. that Monica Lewinsky was, but but is this a is. is Natalie Harp enjoying this notoriety or not even notoriety, attention? Is she thriving on it? Is this something that she's living off? You know, I mean, very few people enjoy. and thrive on being in the headlights like this. Some do. Donald Trump obviously, obviously does.

some you know, there's a there's a particular. and a very particular class of people that I think do thrive on this. Most people don't. And I'm sure she's completely freaked out. And she is only will only get through this. because Donald Trump says, don't worry about it. They always do this. This is and he said, and I. and he will say this to people, and he has said this to her before. This is not about you. This is about me. They're after me.

And and he leads you to believe. And this is not necessarily ultimately true, but he leads you. to believe that he is wholly on your side, that the fact that you are being picked on in his name gives you actually. some amount of, of protection and currency with him. I wondered whether or not. What do we know about who Natalie Harp lives with? Because I wonder,

does she have to go home on her own and sort of try and handle all this? Or does she live with friends? I mean, she I don't, I don't, you know, I assume she lives in Washington, in Palm Beach. She lived with her mother. Whether she who she lives with now, I don't know. And I do know that that. that people in the white House tend not to go home very much. Well, we know that she. stays up late with the president when he's so frantic on Truth Social.

But I'm very struck by the comment that the social, the Secret Service gave you that she was. potentially a danger to the president and also a danger, potentially to herself. Yeah, the Secret Service did not give that to me. They gave it to the staff, the political staff, Donald Trump's political staff. But who gave it to you? Yes, but I don't I, you know. And again, it's.

you have to understand that people live in this bubble. The West Wing White House bubble is a kind of extraordinary. I mean, it's a it's the reality inside. And then the reality out there somewhere, and the reality out there somewhere. can impinge on the reality inside. But no one really thinks it's reality. I mean, even with even with this latest Natalie Harp stuff.

And I was speaking to people in the, in the, in the white House. and they kind of regarded I mean, they said, this is what's going on. We don't this is old news. And then they actually blamed it on me. I mean, this is the this is you wrote about this, you know, almost, almost two years ago. So what is everybody talking about now? This is all there's nothing new here. Well, it. was because Senator John from Georgia had drawn attention to it.

Right. Do you think that Natalie is printing out. pieces about herself and showing them to Donald Trump? Because that would almost be like she's vying for. the amount of attention that he wants to get. Or do you think she's not bothered to to. Well, I think she's I think she's very good at what she what. of supplying the president with what he wants. to be told or what he wants to.

see. Well, it may be a bubble. I wonder what she says about Melania. I wonder what she prints out about Melania for him. I wonder what she says about me. Probably nothing. Michael, I think she's dealing with the president. She's got enough. Enough to handle. But if it is your birthday. Happy birthday. And to anyone who's been joining us, thank you for joining us. We'll be back.

We've got a special episode on Saturday where we focus on. we focus on what's inside Trump's head about the midterms. He says people don't like the Republicans, but they still love him. And he's insisting on putting himself on the ballot. So we look at some of the more vulnerable issues around the election on Saturday. And just to say that this is that this is now beginning. We're going to pass this, this Labor.

Day mark, and then it will be midterms. all of the time and incredibly consequential midterms. And there's a primary in Massachusetts on September. 1st of a person that you are very fond of. I'm a big supporter of Seth MacFarlane, the congressman. who is going to lose in interesting I mean, he is going to lose. He's a young a young guy, a young Turk in the party, but he is going to lose to an 80 year old.

Well, we don't know he's going to lose. We've talked about and in fact, we talk on Saturdays episode about the danger. of polling at the moment, that it's incredibly unreliable, as are the prediction markets when it comes to, you know, ever hopeful, ever hopeful he's going to lose. I have been tracking his career for the last ten years. He's a marine. He went to Harvard under and he's got an MBA. And I think he's exactly the kind of person that the Democrats.

need in the Senate. But Ed Markey at 80 is going to have another six years. And this is why people are getting fed up with the incumbent Democrat. You know, Steve Bannon felt this way about Seth Moulton, too. So you get the you get the profile here. All of all of you fundamentally. conservative people are backing Seth Moulton.

Well corporate lacking. Well no we'll know on when will we know Tuesday. We'll know on we'll know next week whether or not the polling was wrong. And he gets the last minute surge or whether or not Ed Markey, who literally will have been in elected office first as congressman. and then as senator for 50 years, five, zero. years, this is why people have fed up with the Democrats. Apparently not. Editor Markey is going back to Congress now.

He's going back to the Senate, going back to the Senate. He's going back to the Senate. Who said the Senate was the best retirement home in America? Who said that? Who said that? I think he was. Was it Nikki Haley? No. Nikki Haley never said anything. memorable to anybody. Nikki Haley voted for or supported. Ralph Norman against Darlene Graham, so that was a bit of a bummer. Former governor of of South Carolina that she is she picked the.

wrong candidate. And you supported Seth Moulton again, said Markey. I'm in the woods, Michael. I was I was supporting the future. I was supporting the future. He's been a very good interviewee on the Daily Beast podcast, and I know. a lot of people up in Massachusetts who think he's a very good congressman. Not enough apparently. We'll see. We'll see. You're not out until you're out. If you have been. Thank you for watching.

We'll be back on Saturday with another episode of Inside Trump's Head. Michael, will you thank the team? Ryan. John, Rachel. Neil hath a has. How could I I apologize, Heather. So the good news is we have so many beast tier members now. There are too many names to read out and we really appreciate your support.