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Trump and Epstein. They're broken. Contact. That Epstein was making threats to expose Trump. Trump was concerned about that. Epstein thought he might be given a pardon protected by Trump. And that might explain, the story of Epstein's death. I'm John Nichols, this is the Daily Beast podcast. And today we are talking to the British historian Andrew Loney, whose remarkable book entitled The Rise and Fall of the House of Yorks. really began the unraveling of.

Andrew, formerly known as Prince Andrew, now Andrew Loney has, because he's been inundated with new information, started a Substack. I signed up to it, and I urge you to it's extremely compelling. But he has two outrageous allegations. this weekend that we're going to completely unpack. And I have to say, when I read them, I couldn't quite believe them. I wasn't sure if they were true. They both involve, of course, Jeffrey Epstein.

And we know that Jeffrey Epstein's friendship with Prince Andrew. was part of the reason for Andrew's fall from grace. Anyway, you don't need me to tell you about them. We're going to talk to Andrew about them, and I don't think you're going to want. to look away. So let's get into it. Andrew, I. can't believe how much has happened since we last talked. And it was only, I think three weeks ago. And you have in your new Substack, two absolutely.

explosive allegations, which we are going to unpack. And when I say explosive, they really are. They really are. We will get to them in a minute. But what I wanted you to do first was give us an update with where we are. We have some embarrassing emails of Prince Andrew coming out. from the Epstein trove, the emails that came out last week. But but where is Prince Andrew right now?

Has he left Royal Lodge and what are the developments. since we last spoke when he just lost his title of Prince? Well, I mean, what I'm hearing, he doesn't seem too concerned. He feels he's a free man now. He's saying he's going to go on dating apps and he's going to go on dating apps. Really. And you know, he's still in Royal Lodge. They still haven't haven't opened all the present, all the, the parcels that Sir Ferguson ordered and hadn't open to self. So, I think they're not going to go up to Sandringham till after the New Year.

I'm clearly when all the royal family have left, and I'm not totally convinced he will go to Sandringham. I there's suspects that he may go somewhere else. We've got, a prosecution being brought by Republic. We have calls from, former head of Royal security, and I was saying. that he should be investigated both for sexual and financial irregularities. So he's clearly not out of the woods. I mean, there's been a lot of speculation. about whether he might go to the Middle East, a lot of speculation about what Sarah Ferguson is going to do.

Will she go to Switzerland? Portugal? Will she have a look at the tower in London? She's been it's been said that she's going to promote herself. as a, a speaker for empowerment and, positivity. I don't know how that. Well, that's going to go. Empowerment. How is she a speaker for empowerment? She was being funded by the world's most notorious pedophile. Well, she is a woman, you know, with her own, logic. But she is a survivor. She she she's been, you know, she's been a, you know, pretty much,

you know, a broken spirit. So particularly in 2010 when she was caught selling access to Andrew. and she came back, she went on Oprah, and people. gave her the benefit of the doubt that she had she had repented. And I think she's going to try this again. I don't think many people think that she's, a busted flush. So, it's a lot of it's up in the air. I mean, actually, tensions between the King. and the Prince of Wales over how this is handled. The king's authority, I think, has been a bit diminished.

by the fact that he didn't act sooner and more ruthlessly. As you say, there are these lines coming out, Andrew fro from the Epstein disclosures showing him to being panicking. Really? When the story of Jeffrey broke. Of course, that kind of goes against the conventional line. that he was pushing that, you know, he didn't know her, and and he didn't know what this was all about. But of course, it. confirms what I found my research and other people have written about. For those of us who haven't gone through the emails in as much depth as you have,

can you tell us exactly how he did react when it first became clear. the allegations were that he'd slept with Virginia Giuffre? Yeah, well, basically keep me out of the story. And he went to PR people, PR people to undermine Giuffre. He he tried to get information about up through his police. protection officer using his contacts with the FBI. It was all about damage limitations and about distancing himself. from the story. And,

you know, he is only one of three. many, revelations that have come out with the disclosures, in the files. We've got more, I think, imminent. I mean, interesting that Trump has now kind of changed his tune. and is happy for the material to be released. So I would say I'm not sure if he's happy for the material to be released. He realizes that he wasn't going to win the battle to keep them suppressed. So he sort of leant into the rebels in the Republican Party, I would say. I think it's more of a political maneuver, rather than he's happy for them to be released. Absolutely right.

You know, he's he's he sees that, you know, that there's new advantage in him. trying to prevent the other release, as he has done up till now. And, and he's having to go with the mood. And I mean, thank goodness we're seeing this stuff. I think again, we've seen the publication, of course, of Virginia Giuffre, his. own book. Ghosted by Amy Wallace, which has been well received and been a bestseller. and I think has again changed the Da for a lot of people. It really brings home how awful the situation was. and how entitled these people felt they were.

So, as you say, there have been a lot of developments. And I think there will be more. I mean, I think more people will come forward. Now, I'm certainly. finding from my own research that, people are coming forward, but. Objection. Officers, former members of staff, ambassadors. who I think are appalled by what they've discovered and learned, and I think also want to be on the right side of history here. And clearly, that's what's motivated Trump to a certain extent as well. And there've been lots of accusations. Tina Brown made it over the weekend that the Queen really enabled.

Andrew's behavior. Do you think that's fair? Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, I was vilified when I said this in August, because. the Queen, of course, was a saint and wouldn't have done anything like that. So it's great that, you know, people like Tina Brown are saying these things. It's but it's exactly what I found. I mean, we know that attempts were made to suppress this story. ABC television were were threatened. Basically, if they went ahead, they would lose access to the Royals. I know from talking to ambassadors and others that they were basically.

sent away with a flea in their ear when they tried to bring, the concerns to the Queen and her staff about Andrew. And of course, every time he seemed to be involved. in some scandal, the Queen seemed to either, I've taken with her to church or give them some new honor. So I think it was pretty apparent at the time. Just no one was prepared to say it, and, and there was even a leak in the Sunday Times the other day, I think, by the palace, but trying to basically put the blame on the Queen for not basically sorting.

this problem out and handing a time bomb to to King Charles. So there's a lot of buck passing going on at the moment in your book, entitled. The Rise and Fall of the House of you, which we've talked about, extensively on this podcast. You talk about a weekend in Thailand. where Prince Andrew went through 40 prostitutes. I mean, subsequent reporting has also found that he appeared. to have prostitutes coming into Buckingham Palace. with no security clearance checks whatsoever. No.

Absolutely nothing. Paul Page has gone public on that. He was one of the policemen on the North gate. And I think this isn't a this was of concern to the police. because there were always people who didn't know who they were. It was pretty clear that they were escorts. And, I mean, there were lots and lots and coming in, and, we've got lots of stories of escorts from in Hong Kong. who took over the top floor of the Landmark Hotel and entertained. escorts there on, I think, a trade mission.

So, everyone was turning a blind eye to, to his activities, which is extraordinary. And I think one of the things that hasn't really come out. yet is the whole national security element to the story. We've had hints of, alleged Chinese spies, but there are a lot of spies. running around this story. You were to seek. Could is easy to see that both. Andrew and Sarah Ferguson were very easy ways into to. They were very vulnerable because of their greed. And, they did have some very useful context.

Yeah, it's absolutely fascinating. And of course, greed does make people vulnerable. And we've seen that with members of the family time and again. So let's move on to Andrew. Two remarkable allegations in your Substack, which I couldn't believe I was reading. The second one, which will come on to. is that Jeffrey Epstein was actually killed. But but let's look at the first one, which sort of leads to the second one,

which is that Jeffrey Epstein had had enough of Prince Andrew and Fergie. He was concerned that they would perhaps spill his secrets. and that he had hired, a hitman. to basically, to remove them. Yes. I mean, this comes from two sources. One one, one in Paris, and another one in Palm. Beach, who were very close to Epstein. I mean, you know, Epstein said all sorts of things.

We can't always believe everything he said, but, I think he was getting very nervous. He thought particularly Sarah Ferguson might spill the beans on him. And this was a precautionary measure, I suppose. Now, how far he went down the line of trying to get more details. about, in terms, the sniper. But the sniper was, British Special forces trained. And had he actually had conversations with this particular sniper? I mean, it sounds so. Conspiracy theorist. I find it hard to believe. But then so much about this story is hard to believe.

Exactly. No. And I was very nervous about putting it up. because clearly, you know, it's an easy way of undermining my credibility. So we'll see what comes. I mean, we do know that Sarah was was very concerned. I mean, that was the reason. that she kind of kept in with Epstein because she was scared of him. And I think this this could have been just a threat. It could have been just as paranoia. As I said, I haven't been able to follow up the story to find any more detail. Though I've been told I will be given the name of a sniper.

But, it is an extraordinary story, but it's, you know, as you say, that the story is is bizarre. Anyway. And, we're dealing with people who are not necessarily in the realms of reality. If you are a sniper actively in the special services in the UK, the idea of being commissioned by an American to kill members. of the British royal family, I mean, how on earth would he get away with it? I mean, it just seems remarkable.

Well, I do think this was a serving member of Special Forces. as someone who being trained in as a British Special Forces person, you know, I'm just thinking of the update of the Freddie Forsyth's novel. The Day of the Jackal, and it is not, I think, than the update. It is about an ex-British Special Forces person who is basically a gun for her. So in some ways that isn't that odd. It's interesting that I've got, you know, that's come from. two different sources, but, you know, often that happens. It doesn't mean it's true. But, you know,

interested to see if that does bring forward anything else. In terms of, of disclosures, a lot of these things are rumors, and you just kind of float them and just see what happens. And maybe they have to be disregarded. Well, and in the hierarchy of people that Epstein was frightened of, I wouldn't have thought Sarah Ferguson would be very high on this list. No, I agree, but I mean, you know, maybe she's more garrulous than the others. I don't know. I mean, I don't know what she knew that she was concerned about.

But, you know, we have had, you know, these rumors, for example, moving on to the second part of this, of this, the revelation that, you know, Trump, and Epstein, the their broken, contact, that Epstein was making threats to expose Trump. That was one of the stories Trump was concerned about, that Epstein. thought he might be given a pardon protected by Trump. And those rumors have circulated for a while. And that might explain, the story. of the, Epstein's death, which I think, you know,

a lot of people have of questions and I question in the book. I mean, just in terms of of Epstein being one of the great survivors. he was at the beginning of his, his, his court problems. He had always called out to them in the past by, paying people off and having good lawyers. And, he was not someone talking to, to, for example, the, the, the lawyers who, who were dealing with some someone who was suicidal. And then we have all the strange things. going on in the prison with the cameras not working and the guards falling asleep.

We have Michael Braden's, autopsy suggesting it was homicide. rather than, suicide. We've got former members of, other correctional facilities saying it was impossible to kill yourself, just because of the heights and the sheets and various all things. And then, as I say, the source, which has come from a good FBI source. talking about, a fellow convict who was brought in to do this. Can you explain to me how this all unfolded?

So you were contacted by a former FBI agent. How did this play out? If you you're the historian, hugely respected historian. You have a PhD in history. How did you get this information? How did it come to you? It didn't didn't come to me. I went to them. I knew about a case that they worked on, that I knew they'd left the FBI. I approached them, and they kindly, in confidence, just shared some, correspondence with me that that revealed this.

And the correspondence was between him, internal I fi, correspondence. Internal FBI correspondence. Has Jeffrey Epstein being killed in his cell, and that's what I was told. And this is what actually, Glenn Maxwell also said. I think, when she was interviewed by Daphne back a few months ago, and it k course makes sense. You know, someone who has very little to lose and a lot to gain. Set the scene. What did the correspondence say, Andrew.

And how was he killed? I don't know. I don't think it says that in the correspondence for I remember looking at. what were these internal emails that you saw? Yes. The this was the investigation into into this character. And this seemed to be a correspondence talking about. about this particular figure, and, and the, what had happened, what he had done. But it's only a fragment, shall we say. So again, you know, it would it would be useful. I know the FBI had been looking at this.

I mean, it's, you know, it's kind of been passed off. You know, it was a suicide and that's been the line. But, I do know that people were looking at it. And I think a lot of people suspected that, and that would all fit in. to the sort of his paranoia, when he went into prison. And worries about some Sarah Ferguson and others. So I just want to get this completely straight, because I know you talked at the book fair this weekend, and you talked about being told by FBI agents.

that Epstein was killed in his prison. cell by another prison inmate. And you're now saying you saw correspondence, FBI correspondence that discussed this? Were they discussing it as a possibility? Were they floating it as a theory, or were they saying they were confident. this is what had happened? But from what I remember, it's a little while since I looked at it. I've shown it, but it was it was treated as fact. This wasn't speculation.

And they know. And you know who the inmate was? Yes. There was a name there. Yeah. Why haven't you shared the name? Well, I mean, you know, I haven't got. This is the only word of evidence I've got. I mean, clearly there the libel, considerations, and, you know, given that what's happened to various people in the story, perhaps wiser, I didn't share it too publicly. But, you know, at some point, I hope I can, and, you know, it's still sort of ongoing research.

So a lot of people are going to say, Andrew Lone, he's. just launched a Substack. He's trying to sell more copies of his book. He's now floating conspiracies that have been around. What do you say to people who are just saying, this is. this is wild exaggerations from a man who can't possibly know? Well, I'd like to like to be able to follow up on this as soon as I can. I mean, the story has slightly run earlier than I expected. Incision was taken. by people doing my Substack, that we would release it. when I was waiting to do more research.

But didn't you say it when you were actually at the book fair? So you sort of put it out into the world? I did, and I know we picked it up, so I thought it was okay. So no one picks it up. What are the British press doing? Oh my goodness, it's only small people. Like you said, it is all gone. Roll the court. And and then, the, people who myself. thought we should put it out there, but, Yeah, I'm a bit more cautious. Yes, you should put it out there. Yeah. So. But you obviously. Right.

You know, you know, I can understand, you know, people want more evidence. I mean, the problem with the stories. is often difficult to get the affidavits and things that people want. It is, yeah. Of course, I'm starting a Substack, and I've got a book sale, so, there's a. there's a perfectly fair comments to make, but, you know, lots of people have sub stacks and books to sell. Doesn't mean what they say isn't true. Right. And also, I think what's so interesting about your book entitled The Rise. in the fall of the House of York, is that so much of what you said in the book that the,

the Yorks were trying to stop coming out? I mean, we know that they tried to stop their friends from speaking to you. They wouldn't speak to you. So much of what has come out in the book, has proven not only to be true, certainly more than the tip of the iceberg, but it's led to, along with Virginia Drew phrase. But nobody's fool. The Prince losing his title. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's extraordinarily I mean, I think they realized that this,

there were wider questions about royal privilege. and accountability being asked by the media, by social media. And they felt that they had to kind of cut, cut him loose before he infected the rest of them. And I think when the king saw you know, was being heckled at Litchfield, when I think they were worried that there might be more Epstein material, they may know. What's that? I don't know, I think they realized that they had to distance themselves and he, you know, there had been increasing calls that he should be investigated.

and could be charged. And in those circumstances, clearly they needed to distance themselves. And, you know, in some ways they should've been dealing. with this problem years ago. They shouldn't have allowed it to drag on as long as it has. Well, I was going to ask you about because in a sense, this story has become. so prominent because of Jeffrey Epstein. And yet the prince was off frequently, as you have pointed out, on taxpayers. money, on diplomatic jaunts, supposedly trade jaunts,

where in fact, he didn't want to stay at the residences. of the ambassador because it clearly becomes, evident. that he wanted hot and cold running prostitutes where he was staying. And I'm surprised that given how many people knew. this was going on in the palace, that nobody ran to men, was it. because the Queen and Prince Philip gave him cover. and that you can't, you know, once you know that they support him, even if you're. a respected member of the household, the royal household.

staff, your word is not going to be taken seriously. Yes. I mean, the problem was, you know, policemen were reporting not to the, the Metropolitan Police, but to the head of the household. In fact, an even, Tony Johnson. But he's the head of the household. When people brought him complaints, said, look, you know, we just got to do a master's bidding. He wasn't a great fan of of Andrew. In fact, they got into fisticuffs themselves at one point. They got into fisticuffs. He supposedly it's it's supposed to turn physical.

when Andrew couldn't get hold of a room that he wanted. So. Johnson. But it's or stand up to him. But, Andrew just always went to mommy and mommy would overrule the one. And Busters did complain and then found that their careers were pretty curtailed. Son Wilson, who was the deputy ambassador in Bahrain, spoke out. and then found his security clearance, I think was. was was withdrawn, for, for a job he had later on. So they could. they have ways of making life difficult for people who don't play ball.

And I think the view was taken. Just just give him what he wants. I mean, I'm talking to members. The royal household last week, I was amazed that both. he and Sarah Ferguson still seem to have staffs. Sarah was coming in and getting her laundry done at Windsor or Buckingham. Palace. And there were still entertaining businessmen, in royal palaces. and still was still operating under the radar. So I think what we're told and what's happening. are some two very different things. But you see right there, you know, the obscene thing is kind of.

taking everyone's attention away from what is the real scandal, I think, which is why they've abused their position as royals to make money from sales. I mean, some ambassadors refuse to play ball. And when they were given. a list of people that Andrew wanted and other he or his mates to meet, didn't. provide it or said they were unsuitable and kind of warned him off. But there was quite a lot, as I forget, the book of And, I'm not Karl senior aspersions, but Andrew had close connections. with, with banks, banks that dealt with.

the sort of customers that no one else wanted to deal with. And so, you know, the, the you can see how the system might have worked. So, Peter Morgan, the writer of the brilliant, Netflix series The Crown, I read, said that. when he was envisaging writing about the royal family, he thought about the Queen as almost as Tony. Soprano, that this was a business.

And she was the sort of head of it. I'm not saying he was likening it to the mob, but as he was thinking about it unfolding over seasons, how did you sustain the story now you look back on. the Queen and. Prince Philip, given all we know now. and the love and respect and all. with which the Queen was held, do you think that if she was still alive, she would still have that?

Or do you think she's been subsequently revealed as enabling. a very corrupt son, fully knowing what he was up to? Yeah, and it's interesting whether, you know, in my book. why you're being published, and whether the press would have been as confident. as some of them were in running some of the stories. they did, because, I mean, I know there are a lot of stories. It's suppressed. So I, you know, I suspect now the Queen's dead, that it was a little easier for me to, to get published. I had a very, supportive publisher and big publisher and that helped.

And I think then, you know, people felt the ground would've being softened. and they could come, come back. And there was clearly a very strong feeling among the population. that, you know, elites were getting away. with some pretty bad behavior and needed to be held to account. And, you know, that was a big factor in the seats. But I think it was also a stronger feeling in Britain, too. So, you know, I think the whole softening up process. was beginning, and it made it possible. But yeah, I think Queen it's the Queen was still alive.

I think it would be very difficult. I wanted to ask you about the Queen's husband, Prince Philip, otherwise known as the Duke of Edinburgh. What was his role in all this? Was he a supporter of Andrew? Did he try and rein him in? Did the Queen always take preference over the Duke of Edinburgh? I mean, as a married couple, as parents, how would they. trying to influence Andrew? Well, I mean, my design had always been that, you know, the Duke of Edinburgh. was the chap who ran the family and he ran a pretty tight ship.

I mean, he was the one who basically summoned Andrew to Wood Farm and told him. basically, you know, you got to resign all your things, you know, this is it. And he was pretty tough. So I, and the Queen did, did sort of listen to him. So I find it is extraordinarily that that wasn't to what happened. And all I've. been told is that to the Queen that he he did obey the Queen. The Queen said no. And, you know, we're kind of sort of tough this one out. And he had to, to, to go with her.

I mean, to be fair, he was also by this stage in his 70s, and I think he was just. didn't really want to have all the fights as she was that might be required. They thought they could probably get away with it, or they thought they could deal with it. So they thought maybe the problems at the time were worse. Addressing, because the buffer lost in the Duke, quite the behind the scenes. Never it never happened. They may not have been told the full story by Andrew. I mean, one of the interesting things I picked up last week was that, the Andrew hadn't told the staff he didn't know.

about the interview, with Newsnight in Buckingham Palace. And therefore the room hadn't been prepared, hadn't actually been cleaned. And there were the the staff were very upset that that actually, it wasn't enough for they didn't begin a fit state to, to have TV cameras in it. The, Queen and Prince Philip must have been older than in their 70s. When were they in their 70s? Because I thought the first story about Andrew and Epstein, came out, I think, in the mail or Mail on Sunday in 2011.

So they were doing so. Wouldn't they have been in the 80s at that stage? Hey, sorry I just a yeah. So they're older. Yes. Exactly. So I mean so in some ways you know they, they. they were kind of they had this. attitude was sticking their head in the sand sometimes. And I think that's what they did. And maybe they thought someone else would deal with it who didn't deal with it. I'd who knows? I mean, they're not here to tell us, you know, but I mean, to be fair, it was also a problem for King Charles.

I mean, he was taking a much more active role. I by that stage. And, and Williams is, is taking more active role now. So it's it was kind of on his watch as well. And he's not a great you know, there's no love lost between the brothers. And he has a full measure of his younger brother. He was the one who didn't want him to have this job as a special envoy, because he knew how you would abuse a position. So it's it is. a mystery how this was allowed to happen.

And, you know, maybe we'll know maybe some of the courtiers. will eventually talk. I was very interested that you said that since the publication of the book. and since Prince Andrew has lost his title, that now members of the household of the Royal household feel, much freer to talk to you, even off the record, because they're much less frightened of him. Yes, absolutely. I seems to be, you know, I'm amazed. I mean, I had dinner last week with the former EC3, and these are people.

who would have given me a very wide berth, before the book was published. So, and again, you got to wonder why of these people coming forward. Is it they did they, want want to share information, feel uncomfortable about what they know, and, feel that there's a higher loyalty. than there is to the NDA or, or the previous job. Or are they giving you just information in the woods. to undermine your credibility, or are they is there some factor that,

I mean, a lot of them didn't like Andrew and were very, very happy to see him, you know, the, fallen, a fallen figure. So you you're constantly assessing why people are talking to you. But certainly I've gone back to a lot of people. and they've talked a lot of people now prefer to go on the record, as well. Very interesting. So, and I know you're doing a follow up to your book entitled calling it untitled. Is that going to be packed with new revelations? Yeah, well, I got 150 pages of notes so far just from the material through keep.

You've come forward. And so this is some you know, this book is a couple of years away. So yeah, I think that will be it will all be completely new. You know, we will cover some. of the same period, but I'm good at getting new lot more new information. For example, about his time as a trade envoy, and activities. and places like Kazakhstan, places I didn't know about, like Mongolia. We took out a I think almost all the material. about his, activities in Libya, for example.

And those have now been I think we could now put that stuff back in good little. the stuff from Peter Mandelson and Epstein was taken out, because people didn't do those, didn't believe it. And now, of course, we've got the revelations about Madison. Epstein's activities together and how close they were. So, you know, it's been gratifying to see that. a lot of my sources proved to be absolutely right, which is why. I sort of felt I felt it was okay to go on the Substack, because the sources have proved to be reliable in the past. And, I'm hopeful that I, you know, the opportunity to reduce stress.

be so well now that the Epstein files are about to be released, I'm assuming, that there will be more, more emails, more texts, more communications. with the former Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson are you expecting more? Oh, absolutely. I mean, and other names, you know, because clearly the focus has been on him. And, you know, we've had Mandelson and but very little on the American side.

So, you know, given the number of documents are, are. I mean, there's they've got to be huge number of revelations. And if we remember, there were 40, I think 40 girls came forward. to give evidence in the original Palm Beach, investigation. So there's, you know, I still think you've only got the tip of the iceberg here, in terms of of what, even law enforcement. knows, let alone what, may emerge. quite separately from other other, other witnesses and testimony.

Do you think there is, the chance that. Andrew, Prince Andrew, as he was known, will end up coming to the United States to give evidence? No, I think that's very unlikely. I mean, I think that was a little bit of grandstanding. By by the Democrats. I mean, he he's been caught between a rock and a hard place for a long time, because clearly, if you didn't give evidence. or didn't cooperate with the sorties before Evans, you guys was guilty. But if you did, he was going to probably, implicate himself.

So, isn't exactly the same position, that I'm sure the lawyers will just say. this is a sort of, a political trick. Democrats career, a minority on the committee. He's not an American citizen, so, I can't see him cooperating until he's forced to do so. But I can see material. being passed to the British authorities for him to be investigated. Both. In terms of of the sexual trafficking and the misconduct in public office,

which is, I think, the most obvious charge that we leveled against him. And I think that, you know, there are good grounds there, and I've offered to to offer material that wasn't put in the book, but for legal reasons to give that to the National Crime Agency. I think I have a story in my Substack of about $5 million in a suitcase. in Kazakhstan, for example. This was a suitcase of cash. This is a suitcase of cash that he was given. We know, you know, for example, that he was offered a 3.85 million pounds,

1% of a huge deal to bring a Greek water company into Kazakhstan. And that that that emerged through email leaks. So I think the deal never took place, though, right? It didn't take place because of internal unrest. So but we do know that there were these sort of deals going on. And so, I think we may. find other things emerge, other people may come forward and talk. You know, Elon Musk has said various things in the past. There were people who seen the files, before they were redacted.

You may again be prepared to tour or leak material. Are these just the things that were in Jeffrey. Epstein's safe, or what do we actually think they were? At least the supposed documents and information. that he was, in theory or alleged to have been, blackmailing people with? Well, I mean, there's material for the Department of Justice and the FBI. This is all part of the investigation. So there'll be witness testimony, with people who interviewed.

There will be material that they've collected. So, for example, we know that there were, videos and tapes. that he made of people who came to the house, of the various homes, and those in may be released. I think one of them is be briefly shown on on the internet. So, there's a lot of material this, as you say, the stuff that may. he just kept himself that was confiscated when they raided the homes. We don't really know. I mean, this is this is this is what's so interesting.

But there certainly is a lot of material, and, you know, just to see how devastating. the limited amount that's been leaked so far has been, it's suggested. that there's there's some really big, damaging disclosures to come. Well, well, you couldn't have launched a Substack at a better time. Andrew. I can't wait for the next, the next installment. And, you know, I hope you get more information. on what actually happened to Jeffrey Epstein in jail, but good luck,

with, you know, solving what. sometimes feels like the world's biggest mystery. Yes. Well, I mean, think how much has come out. and just in the last few months, you know, so I'm hopeful that the full story will. a pretty full story will eventually emerge. But it just may take time. Yeah. And as I say, you really couldn't make it up. Every day there's something coming at you. and you just think, how is this even possible? Anyway, I'm glad to know that you haven't entirely jumped the shark. And we will come back to you the moment the Epstein files released,

because we would love your take on what what you've found in there. So promises you'll come back. Of course. I look forward to it all right, Andrew Loney, thank you so much. I sometimes feel that I'm on psychedelics. listening to these stories that they're so outlandish, the claims. And yet time after time, it turns out the conspiracies are true, that Randy Andy, as he was nicknamed by the tabloids.

the beginning of well, I want to say the 1980s. turned out to be so much truer than anyone could have imagined. And now Andrew Lowndes allegations about Jeffrey Epstein. being killed in his prison cell, about Jeffrey Epstein hiring a sniper. to actually take out two members of the British royal family. It seems so outlandish. And yet this is where we are.

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