I Know Who Trump's Going to Fire in MAGA Massacre | Inside Trump's Head

The people I'm talking to feel that the direction. of where things are heading is that Stephen Miller is out. Mark Wayne Mullen is out. James Blair is out. Pete Hegseth is out. Susie Wiles, they say we'll try to hang on. Everybody's fighting for their lives. Trump is going to have to try to mollify members of his party. And Trump is not a fire. But Susie Wiles is a model of fire.

So she will be there. She will try to hold on to her job by essentially sacrificing. other people. Michael, it never stops. Joanna. It never. It never stops. But it's good that I didn't never stops. Because what do we do three times a week? Well, we go inside. Trump's head, and, you know, it's an interesting.

I guess this is an incredibly interesting moment to be inside Trump's head. because things are happening to him that he has no control of, which is unusual for Trump. And everything is sort of in. Trump world is predicated on him. having control of everything. So, and I've been asking people, I've been on the phone with people. saying, literally, what's in Trump's head is when I called them, they said,

I guess you want to know what's in Trump's head? But, don't we have to give some promotions? Don't we have something coming up? Don't we have. And then normally we call us at this point and say, oh, we're going to be liable. Oh, we've got and in fact, again, just a big. thank you to everybody who joined us on election night. It was so much fun. Neither of us had any idea what was going to happen when we sat down.

at 8:00, other than we were in some surprises, but I think everybody. was surprised by the surprises that came Darlene Graham getting knocked out. Vivek Ramaswamy Well, perhaps he wasn't everybody. Everybody getting getting knocked out. Everybody getting knocked out. Mrs.. I mean, the enormity of this wipe out. is, well, I think this is going to require months.

and months, years and years history itself to kind of comprehend. Well, I think when history books are written, hopefully. they will include the occasional reference to inside Trump's head, because I know how many people you talk to in the Trump circle still. And also, I do, much as there has been fantastic reporting, especially in this second Trump administration, I do think we try and offer and we say this for anybody. new joining this podcast today, we try and offer a different perspective.

This has, up until this moment, been a government of one. Donald Trump's obsessed by attention and he's got the world's attention. I mean, he is the most famous person. He's the most important person in the world. Or is he? Has the American voter stepped up? Anyway, please support this podcast. We are independent media and we love your support. We rely on your support. So please like and subscribe to this podcast wherever you get your podcasts.

So Michael, well I just noticed let's give ourselves one more plug because I think it's it's. kind of amazing that our election night and election morning coverage did. has is now up to 850,000 people, have seen us. So that's amazing. Rather daunting actually. It's rather daunting. And yet I think it shows how people want coverage.

That explains the psychology of this man, because nobody, nobody can quite believe. how he's managed to do what he does and and how he's managed to be so incompetent. and surround himself with a cabinet of goons, as we constantly refer to them at the Daily Beast. It's incomprehensible. Yeah. I mean, we're going to have to look at a shift in our narrative, and everybody has has we'll have to look in a shift in the Trump.

narrative, because he seemed it seemed incomprehensible. that he could do these things. And it turns out that he can't. So, so it's a different story for us going forward. I pray Trump and. and it is a. different story for, for him going forward, actually. I mean, he has to figure out this. This is for Trump in existential moment, which is which is.

a kind of above his pay grade. Ex existentialism. Existentialism does not come naturally to Donald Trump, that is to say, any level of self-awareness. But how could he not, at this point face. these kinds of questions? You're shopping for everyone else, making holiday plans and somehow trying to squeeze it all in.

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I always forget to lay out a menu of what we're planning to talk about. Obviously, we're going to be discussing the sort of. what you're hearing from people around Trump, his reaction. to what happened on Tuesday, but also JD Vance immediately. beginning to spread blame about the war and distance himself. The Michigan's going on in the cabinet, the blame, whatever Milani is. Well, everybody everybody in the in the West Wing now afraid for their job. Everybody.

Okay, so so let's get into it, let you know. this is going to be a discussion this morning of how he's reacting. and how everybody else is reacting, because I'm sure it's sort of rats. leaving a sinking ship. But as you have predicted, there was a downfall. It happened on Tuesday and it was fast and it was definitive. There is no messing with election shenanigans. The country very clearly spoke. So what is going on inside his head, Michael?

Well, well that's so, so literally, I've been calling around people. close to him and saying that question what's what's in his head? And the answers I've been getting are first, first, a kind of level. of incomprehension on his part and and him repeating, I didn't lose. Other people lost, I didn't lose. And as though he's holding on to that, Slim Reid. And but then there's also also a kind of a kind of philosophical,

believe it or not, edge to, to what he's what he's saying and feeling, which is to say he repeats, well, the the incumbent party always suffers as though this is built in. And again, as though this does not this is not on him. So that's going to be the important thing. It's not on him. There are outside circumstances. This is not his fault. I am the last person to blame here. This is absolutely not about me.

That's certainly where he is at now. And then he is blaming it on the war, which is which is interesting. because obviously the war, this war of choice was his choice. But he's distanced himself. It's now the war. The war is over there. The war is the war is again a fact of life. And then even that he says, yes, the war. But then adds, but I wouldn't have done it differently. So.

So again, it's almost a kind of moment of of righteousness. He's he's as though he did the right thing. and is willing to suffer the consequences of doing the right thing. So does he see himself as as genuinely having. somehow saved the US from a nuclear attack by Iran? Well, yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, he's this is this is Trump.

He's not that he's not that granular. It's just that he decided in his mind. the war is the right thing because of because of because of the nuclear threat. Because of who, who what for whatever reasons. And and there really are no reasons. If there were reasons, well thought out reasons, we would never have gone to war in the first place. So it's just the war is the right thing to have done.

And there's a there's a kind of a kind of jujitsu here. The war, the election results were as bad as they were because of the war. It's a war he started. So therefore, if you follow the logic, he's the blame for the election results. But the war is the right thing to do. So therefore he's justified and the loss is not on him. When literally he he.

said he he wasn't on the ballot, but he was going to put himself on the ballot. And every single candidate that he shoe horned. into the race lost dramatically. Ken Paxton lost. Darlene Graham lost two that he was particularly passionate about. And I mean, obviously in Lindsey Graham case, Lindsey Graham died unexpectedly at the age of of 71. But Ralph Norman was a congressman, been repeatedly elected,

probably would have secured the seat with zero. Oh, just just a little pushback on this. because it is not just. that he selected horrible candidates and they lost. All Republicans lost. So the interesting thing, actually, is that it might have been even if he had. to let Donald Trump off the hook on this, because Ken Paxton. was not only a bad candidate, but the worst candidate in history.

But it is also possible, if you look at the at the, at the numbers and the trends, if John Cornyn, you know, a safe Republican senator in Texas, if he had actually. in a sitting Republican senator, if he had been nominated, he he might well have lost to everybody. Lost. Yeah. Florida on only Florida seems to have,

have have preserved its Republicans. Right. Which of course, Ron DeSantis, the governor is, is busy out. bragging about laying his groundwork for 2028. But it was interesting that Susan Collins, two, who didn't give a concession speech up in Maine. She just sent a congratulatory apparently, she gave a congratulatory call. to Troy Jackson, the Democratic candidate, fifth generation logger, as we've.

referred to many times. But she complained she was. bitter that she'd gotten caught up in the drama around Donald Trump. She was like, you know, I voted for his impeachment the second time around. What more could I have done? But she was furious that she'd got caught up in the Sturm. und Drang around Donald Trump. I think that that's kind of true. She couldn't have done anything else. Except I suppose she could have become a Democrat. Failing that, if voted against Brett Kavanaugh.

I mean, her decisive vote, Brett Kavanaugh. Yeah, I'm not sure that would have done it either. I mean, the this this the enormity, the pure enormity of the wipeout here means that. if you were a member of Trump's political party, you were going down. That's it. So the other interesting thing that, that I heard from two people and, and they found it interesting.

and a little frightening, was that the day after he seemed markedly older, markedly older. Meaning what did they give you? Specific symptoms. Just, said he, the way he carried himself this the sense, I mean I mean, so here is I think what why? While he will never admit his own defeat, he looked like he looked like defeat. I mean, he was. he was less.

he was quieter. I mean, I mean, which is which is a really kind of weird Trump symptoms. Trump going quiet. Is Trump dying? Really? And, I mean, the only the only thing that they compared. this to is actually after the Butler, Pennsylvania shooting when suddenly, you know, Trump was listening to people instead of instead of talking. So realizing his own vulnerability.

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or click the link in the episode description. That's incognito.com/beast. Yeah, you could hear it even when he was talking obsessive. about the ballroom, which of course he came out and talked about, instead of addressing the defeat. But you could hear it when he called into Fox News. You could definitely sense a shift in his confidence.

And and maybe there is a sort of self-realization. that they don't love me anymore. That this old vaudeville entertainer who, you know, relies on his old jokes. to get him through and says he can talk about anything, and the people love it and he can do anything, and people will still turn up, and he can make as much money as he wants and people don't care. Has discovered the end of the road. I mean, you've. you've talked for the last six months that we are witnessing the beginning. of the downfall Tuesday night delivered that downfall. And.

He definitely seemed to be expressing vulnerability. Yeah. And let's set the stage again for that. He came into office in 2025. believing he had because he's in numerate, and and truly does not understand the numbers that are presented to him. and turns them into what he wants.

to believe them to be in 2020. That was it was stolen from him, even though the numbers. certainly did not add up to it being stolen from him. And in 2024, what he he construed the numbers. to be a landslide and a mandate for him and the truth. The truth is that it was it was another close election. But so he went into the into the.

the first year of the second term believing he could do anything. He had a mandate. And he then proceeded to do anything, and, you know, a whole string of executive actions, tariffs. IAAAA list. of a list of policy decisions that were draconian. and without without equivocation. In other words, they. he acted.

like he had the country in the palm of his hand. He could do anything. And the reality is that he did not. And that immediately that started to become apparent. in the second year and, that each one of these of these key policies. from from shutting down the border, okay, he shut down the border. and that might well have been popular, except then he. he put an army of masked men in the streets,

and that was immediately unpopular. So it was suddenly, I'm. going to fix the economy, but I'm going to do this with tariffs, which are going to raise prices pretty much across the board. Then I am going to war. I said I would not go to war. I'm an anti-war candidate. I'm against forever wars, but I'm going to war and it's going. because it's going to be a short war. Well, the short war turned out to be a long war, and it to raise prices.

raised the key, the key price in America, which is the price of gasoline. So that mandate immediately. that that so-called mandate. began to begin to dissolve. And what we saw. on Tuesday night was that it was that. it never existed, that he was there as men.

And, you know, it's it's a kind of profound reminder. that he was there at the sufferance of the American people, and they decided to suffer no more. Yeah. It's extraordinary to think that Ted Cruz is the sole Republican. lawmaker left in in Texas. It's just remarkable. So, Michael, I'm sure there is massive. what we know, there is massive recrimination going on. among cabinet members and in the white House advisors.

Let's check in. We've got Susie Wiles, the chief of staff, her deputy chief of staff. in Stephen Miller, the architect of the disastrous immigration policy. And we've got James Blair, who most recently was off hustling money. in some far flung republic with Chrysalis of a former campaign manager. Right in just some. Just to be technical, Stephen Miller is not her deputy chief of staff.

In other words, it doesn't work. The hierarchy doesn't work that way. It's essentially means it means I'm Stephen Miller reports to the president. The president really to Susie Wiles. He is the president's person. But so this is what I so again, in crawling around in trying to get find out. what what the president is thinking and what people around him are thinking. And so this is not by any this is.

let's see. how how would one characterize this? No. Nobody knows what's happening now. I mean, everything everything is up in the air. The people I'm talking to feel, feel that that the direction of. of where things are heading is that Stephen Miller is out. Mark Wayne Mullen is out. James Blair is out. Pete Hegseth is out.

Susie Wiles, they say, will try to hang on. So that seems equivocal. And again, these other certainties and they seem certainty certain about this. But no one can be certain at this point. Okay. Okay. What this means is everybody's fighting for their lives. Okay. Right. That's what. So did you. So that was a lot of names. So, Pete out. Let's focus on Pete for a moment. Pete Hegseth out because Trump can conveniently blame the war on him.

Yes, I and and. also he's going to be there are. so the dynamic is going to be a lot of Republicans also casting blame. So he Trump is going to is going to have to try to mollify, mollify members of his party. And Trump is not a fire. But Susie Wiles is a model of fire.

So she will be there. She will try to hold on to her job by. essentially sacrificing other people. Okay, so Hegseth gone. Stephen Miller, you said gone. Stephen Miller obviously the the, Stephen Miller. is the architect of the draconian immigration policies, not only the architect of the somewhat successful, you might say, policy of closing down the border,

but the architect of sending a paramilitary force into American cities. dressed in black and with masks, representing Donald Trump. What does this mean for Katie Miller, his wife's podcast, I wonder? I mean, she has managed to interview, I think, almost every cabinet minister. at this point. So, does it what is it closing down? Do we think I'm being sarcastic? Yes. I don't think the Miller family is depending on.

Katie Miller's podcast at this point. She made so she might have to go out. and get a genuine, a legitimate job somewhere. Not that podcasting is not a legit. It was just going to say he's out, say we have to monetize every word that we say out loud, Michael. But all right. But we monitor that through the, through the actually hundreds. of thousands of people who watch us, hundreds of thousands of people do not.

watch Katie Miller. Well, not yet they don't. So Stephen Miller, Stephen Miller, and then the, the the other person. who is in the, a part, a part of the immigration crackdown. And actually, in some fairness, he came in after the crackdown had begun, but he is now, the, the the homeland director, Mark Wayne Mullin. He seems vulnerable at this point.

And as you said, whoever heard the name Mark Wayne. before, I mean, he was a fighter, right? He he. I mean, none of these people have got the background to do these jobs. I mean, the miracle is that they lasted until the midterm, frankly. Although I guess, as you point out, Mark, when Mullin came into. to replace Kristi Noem, who was too busy. flying around in the Homeland Security jet with her. alleged lover, Corey.

Lewandowski, who's now under investigation by the Trump DOJ. So, he's been targeted. And then James Blair, let's. I mean, James Blair, who who would have been the the architect. of the of the midterm campaign, the architect of the of the of the of Trump's push. to gerrymander in so many, so many, theoretically red states. And then the architect of the trying to promote low propensity.

voters to come out, which they mostly did not know. They resoundingly did not. So JD Vance now commences his run for 2028, frantically out there, as you saw from his long post. Blaming the war. Blaming the war thoughts? Well, I mean, so. JD Vance has always been always positioned himself.

as the person in the administration who was most skeptical of. of the invasion of Iran and the war, the war in Iran. So he's kind of pulling rank at this point. So this is a and I told you so moment. And it's and it's a moment when, I mean, he has to be he has he has two years. Not even two years. Basically he has he has a year, to begin to distinguish himself from Donald Trump.

Now, in any administration, a vice president. would have to take those steps unless it's a hugely popular president. But presidents in in the modern age. have not been hugely popular. So, so he has taken that that initial step in the war. is I mean, I think, I think you could you could argue and Donald Trump.

is arguing in many, many Republicans have, are now arguing that it was the war. Why did they lose this election? It was the war. Now in partly they, they they do that. It's a kind of a surgical, you know, identifying the cancer. And then we remove the cancer and then everything is okay. That is obviously or I would argue that that's not true at all, that the war. is part and parcel of, of a whole range. of problematic and discredited policies.

And it's and it even more so, all of that is a reflection. on who Donald Trump is and the way he governs. JD Vance is going to try to argue this other thing, though, that it was. it is just this this singular issue. The president felt. felt felt it was the right thing to do. And he was, a passionate about this.

It turned out to be the wrong thing. JD will now distance himself from that, and that will show that he's not Donald Trump, although he has in every other way. embraced Donald Trump, in fact, converted from his early, contempt for Donald Trump into a love for Donald Trump. And now he has to convert this into something else, which is going to take some magic.

And what about Marco Rubio. also setting out his store for 2028? I it has has. Marco Rubio responded to the election? If if so, I have not I have not heard his his response. But he too has a similar problem and he took unlike. JD, Vance cannot so easily distance himself from the war.

The big question now is we know the Democrats have the Senate by. I think at this point, what are we at 57? Senate seats? No, no, I think we're we're at 54 confirmed. Mississippi and Alaska. still hanging out there, trending in the. in the Democratic direction, although. although in the, I, I think, I mean, we're in a countable number of votes.

in the Democratic direction, so it's unclear where they will end up. But if they do end up in the Democratic column, then it would be 56 seats. Okay. So I'm I'm going to work in my head with 56 seats the Dems have in the Senate. We know that they've got an enormous majority in the House. What does Donald Trump do in the next two months? He's still got a working majority in the next two months, Mike Johnson said. He's not going to run for, you know, anything. Now.

He's going back to Louisiana. Does Trump make the most of the time he has left? I guess he will. He will try to I think that that's that's the the. his working majority majority now becomes. and it has been an absolutely loyal working majority. Now it becomes a and a highly equivocal working majority. I mean, we have a whole set of people who have lost their jobs. because of Donald Trump.

Well, we can assume that they're not going to be so eager to. to express their undying loyalty at this, this point. You know, this does this mean Cuba? I mean, does this mean Cuba? Does this mean more, more crazy policy from Donald Trump? Or when you say he's quieter, he's looking older. He sounds as if potentially he's even being reflective. Does this mean he's he's not looking for as much attention?

No. Well, well, let's look so going forward. and it's not just the next two months, it's the next two years. What does what does he do. And let's look at what he can't do. He can't deal. He's just not capable of. I mean, although he's the great dealmaker or theoretically the great deal maker, he can't really deal because he can't really compromise. And then he can't moderate. because he's just he exists in a world of,

of polar opinions, of, of extremes. of certainty, of, of his own, his own emphatic this so, so he's in that he, he he can't do the things that that a. and a depth politician, a Bill Clinton. kind of politician and, and. and and something in the first term similar happened to Bill Clinton. and then he, he, he threw it up in the air.

and kind of reinvented himself and became a kind of a half Republican. Donald Trump is not is not going to do that. He can't do that. He's not interested in doing that. He doesn't have the skills to do that. He doesn't have the skills, doesn't have the temperament, doesn't have the will. And I'm sure it doesn't really have have the interest. It doesn't work for what Donald Trump is and how he succeeds. So the only thing that he can do, and it's really the only thing.

that he has ever done, is to seek attention. And that's his. that is his political philosophy. And it's his political tactic. If I get the attention, attention is zero sum. If I get it. Nobody else does so. And he has succeeded. He has largely succeeded on that, at least until until,

until Tuesday, until he started to get, you know, and that's an interesting thing, that he kind of confused. His power grab became part. and parcel with his effort to get attention. Therefore he got associated instead of instead of. And this was true. This is true. When Donald Trump is successful, he gets attention for just being Donald. Trump for for, you know, saying crazy things, which he then doesn't, doesn't follow through on.

But it just in the moment he gets that attention, but suddenly his attention was men and, you know, masked men in the streets. in a war in Iran in tariffs which, which he set, then he reversed, then he backtracked on. And that was what people voted against on Tuesday. What does he do now? How does he get attention when all of his policies are discredited?

What is he going to do? He's going to bomb Iran for more attention. and certainly not a good look. Put more men in the streets. No, he's not going to do that. More tariffs not going to do that. His revenge campaign. Well I think that that probably comes to an end at this point. So it is is I, I'm back to the Donald Trump workshop. And the interesting.

question then is, is who might he turn to? You know, he's always said, I don't turn to anybody who's here. He's been asked this question again and again. Who who do you, when you need advice, who do you look to? And then he looks at you blankly and says, myself, I turn to myself. He's also at this point he'll have decided. that turning to himself is not a very good solution. So he's also turning to the ballroom isn't he.

I mean, what I find amazing and we've got some clips here are. that he's retreated into the helipad and the ballroom. The ceilings are over 50ft high. That's like a five story building. And I don't think there's any ballroom. I doubt there's a ballroom in the country with a 50ft ceiling. And you'll be able to have dinners for as many people as you want. We had King Charles here, and we could. We were very restricted, as we said. Could we have about 350 of our people?

They said, we don't hold 350, we hold about 98. So having 350 is a little tough. I mean, just sort of nonsense. Nonsense. Well I it yeah, nonsense. I mean, it's I mean, it really sounds. ridiculous. I mean, against the enormity of history. He's talking about, about the ceiling height of the ballroom. Well, a slightly blaming King Charles say,

mocking Charles wanted 350 people, and we can only do 90. Well, he's trying to accommodate Prince Charles. We need a bigger ballroom so Prince Charles can have his 350 people. But I. You know. But the other thing is that he will do. And there's not much more that he can do in with some sympathy here. as to as to act like, like a normal see continues. This is his his job. Nothing changes.

I mean, which is what he's going to try try to he's. he's going to try to project that sense I I'm here. Nothing changes. Everything goes on. I'm still the president, and I'm I'm the ballroom president. The ballroom president. We should call him that. Now. The ballroom president. That's a great name for him. So. So I guess my question is. Well, we can come on to Natalie Harp in a minute, because she's apparently. been,

she's now answering his phone for him. We discovered this on election night that she picks up. and says it's the president's, you know, the president's phone, and then she decides whether or not he speaks to whoever's calling. And in one incident, it sounded like she was actually deflecting the call. And of course, it was a reporter. And Donald Trump. immediately lunged for the phone because he wanted the attention. But but there are some really serious issues at stake here,

not least America's relationship with Putin. and what happens with Ukraine, and of course, what happens in Iran. And, and all the reports have it that Iran is bracing itself. for another round of bombings. Do you think that's the likelihood right now? Well, I think there's two things that he has to accomplish here. He has to save face. You know, going to war in Iran was the right thing to do. And he has to and he has to get out of Iran.

He has to get some kind of peace deal. So I think what that will involve is that there will be some. kind of some kind of bombing, to say, you know, my policies, I this is the correct thing to do. I am not in any way admitting that this was, that this was that this was a mistake. But then he will do anything peace at any cost. So I think I think he will wrap that up.

What does that mean? Wrap it up. because we know he can't get a deal done and the Iranians have his numbers. So they can string this out and make it very difficult. Well, I think he will do. I think he will. He'll do a deal. It'll be a very bad deal. It will be any deal that he can possibly get. But I think he I think he knows that he has to get out of there. So January 3rd, when the nuclear January 4th, the day. after the new Congress is is sworn in, they will begin to defund the war.

He won't have any alternative there. That will be over with. So he is going to try to end this on his own volition. You see, I ended the war, so and I would expect that to happen. before before January 3rd, January 4th. Once again he sets fire. He is the arsenal and then he is the farm and riding to the rescue. with it, as you say, likely to make a terrible deal, having made.

an enormous amount of hay out of having. ripped up the Obama Iranian deal. Right. And I think and I think, you know, the Ukrainian situation. is, is the same. I'm not sure how he can. he can affect, affect a, a real, you know, any real game change there. But I think that he is looking at the new Congress.

supplying funding for for the Ukrainians. And he can remember he he can veto that. It's not a it's not a veto proof Congress, although it's getting pretty close to it. But but I think he will want to say he's going to look, look forward to use the next two months in a way. that he can claim credit for having done. something before he is forced to do it.

Okay, so the other question is how does the Republican Party, many of whom probably most of whom, as you've repeatedly pointed out, hate him? They hate him. They've been humiliated by him. They've had to kneel before him, and they've watched. their constituents, those of them who are still left are looking. Horror at what has happened to America over the last two years. Is this the moment that the party, what's left.

of the Republican Party, rises up against Donald Trump? Well, I think it's even worse than that because it is. the traditional Republican Party, the Rhino Republican Party. For them, that may be redundant, but, who have always been, you know, gotten on the Trump. bandwagon with gritted teeth. I think all of those, those that wing of the party.

is now suddenly, if not liberated, they're certainly trying to. they're they're going to be they're going to feel that. they have more room to maneuver now than they have ever had. So but then there's the other wing of the Republican Party, the MAGA. wing of the Republican Party, which is is at war, at least with itself and to some degree at war also with Donald Trump. So it's the it's the, the Tucker Carlson's the,

the Marjorie Taylor Greene. They have been kind of proved correct. I mean, they have been there. Their break with Trump has been pointedly about the war. And and the war is pointedly. the key issue in the campaign that the Republicans just lost. So does this provide a way through for Marjorie Taylor Greene and Tucker Carlson. to to inherit the future of the MAGA wing, do you think?

I think I well, they they. they will certainly make an. I will try to make that a reality. Yeah. That's that's that is where they're heading. I think I've always thought that Tucker is, is in active. consideration to run for the Republican nomination. And he's going to need vice president. He he could well sign up with Marjorie Taylor Greene.

Yeah. I don't I don't immediately see that one. But, there are all these fantasy pairings going on. Last night I saw Jon Ossoff with AOC as as his vice. Okay, well, this is just bullshit. This is just a fill to fill. Fill the air. But is it just thinking nobody knows, but is he's actually, I think I would say it's not interesting to think about. It's not real. It's just,

I mean, all all of these things, things will happen in a in, in actual time. when and there'll be a zillion other variables and considerations. and the chances that one of these things would come. true is just a rant, a random chance it everything changes. But I disagree in that I think Tuesday has given people the ability to hope again. that America can cause correct after a very dramatic, noisy, disruptive.

last few years. Yeah, I mean, of course correcting is I think I think it has course corrected. It will course correct. But but how this is going. to play out in individual careers. and politics is. no, you know, it's no, no, there's too many factors. But it's like it's like people play fantasy football.

Michael. You don't, you know, that's a that's a fantasy. That's a fantasy. This is reality. Oh my goodness. It's two days after the election. It's fun to think about what are the possibilities. that could lead America into the future. It's useless to think like that. You know, if you would like. Well, I do like I think it's fun. I tell you who did seem silent or we didn't really hear from on Tuesday. and you suddenly could feel the power vacuum.

And that was Gavin Newsom, that that there was no real noise from him. because obviously he's giving up his governorship, his term limited, and obviously he's planning to run for 2028. To my point, he realizes you can't you know, the one thing at this point, you. you you don't want to start putting your marker down at this point. because you don't know how things are going to shake out, not how they're going to take out this week or next week or next month.

And he is now trying to read the read the room. And which is the smart way to do this? I mean, he's not on the ballot. He's not there. He's just he's just reading the room and he's also not trying to hog air time, which is interesting for Gavin Newsom, but a moment of. of maturity from people who deserve the airtime. They were just elected. We're also hearing from the white House, and I don't know if you have any insider. info here that Melania has apparently been trying.

to intervene with Donald Trump and say that the immigration. policy is gone too far, that she's had friends caught up in ISIS sweep. Are you hearing anything about this? No. You know, I mean, I think Melania, like everybody else, is going to use this opportunity. to look for distance from the president as if she could have any more. Well, yeah, I mean, which I mean, Melania has always in the first term, you know,

the children remember the children being snatched from their, their, their mothers. There was an intervention at that point from Melania. which got the got her husband to back off or insist that, that, that Homeland Security back off from that. So, yeah, I think, I mean, she is an immigrant. I mean, she probably does have some,

some greater sympathy than her husband here. But, you know, Melania, she's she's not a part of this. That's exactly right. You can you can sense. You can see you can feel that she's not a part of it. Yeah. I mean, one of her people, I'm sure said, oh yeah, let's get, let's, let's. we can get a little good press for ourselves here. Right? As she did when she said that she'd brokered the peace deal. between the Russians and the Ukrainians with Alexi, thereby nearing.

the or at least having the brass ring. of the Nobel Peace Prize in reach as opposed to her husband. If only that. You know, I'm sure that she's trying to figure out. now, how does this impact on her growing business, right. And on her business? Yeah. I mean, right. Yes. Her millions and millions of dollars of her grift. and then everybody else their grift.

I mean, this is there's going to be there is a complete rethinking going on. now. There has to be a rethinking among everybody in the Trump circle. What is what is Jared thinking now? I mean, and and I think actually Jared will be an important player. He is Trump doesn't turn to anyone for advice. But the exception there would be to Jared, and Jared, because of his.

special standing, has the has the ability and he's so good at actually working. his father in law that he has the ability. to step in and, and, first thing, he has influence himself so he can bigfoot anybody. He's always been able to do that. And then his, his father. in law actually sort of listens to him.

And you said he's the only person around the president. that actually calls him Donald. Everybody else calls him Mr. President, but Jared calls him Donald. Yeah, that's an interesting thing. It's, It's such a good state. Yeah, yeah, it's a good state as call, isn't it, that. you're the one that gets to call the president by his name? I want him. When you were with him, did you call him Mr. President? You calling him Mr. President? Of course, of course. As a matter of fact, you do it first thing.

It's such a it's such a, you know, an interesting experience to call anyone, Mr. President. And you think in your life. you'll never have that opportunity to call someone Mr. President? And, and then also because it's it's he's the president of the United States. I mean, you do it even if it's Donald Trump. He is the president of the United States. And, and he's Mr.. Would like the opportunity to call someone Mrs..

President or would you call the Madam President? I suppose that's what they do in the shows, right? Madam president yes. Well I, I, I, I'm just I was going to say. you may have that opportunity, but you may not have that opportunity also. Yeah. Let's hope, let's hope I have a few years left in me, Michael. An America may yet may yet shift. All right, well, we'll be back on Tuesday. No, was back on Saturday. What did he. Is it still completely, befuddled.

after a marathon, 4.5 hour live. dissection of the election. What day is it? What's happening? Who's been elected? Which races haven't yet been called? But what a what an incredible week in America and in American politics. And indeed in the life of inside Trump's head. You're hosting a big luncheon today. I am I'm hosting a big lunch at all.

All our events that are happening in the same week. I'm hosting a big lunch. It's for 100 Power Women in New York. It's something I've been doing for 15 years. Maybe one of them will be president. Maybe one of them will be president, one of them may be president. And I think we may have someone in the room who ran for president. So. So there you go. Anyway, I will be back with you, I hope, on Saturday to go inside Trump's head again.

And it's just fascinating that that he's he's feeling. older or he's looking older, he's sounding quieter. He's retreated to his subjects of the ballroom and the helipad. I wonder if the ballroom even gets finished. What does Congress do with the ballroom? Everything. Nobody knows. And if anyone claims they know, they don't know what's going to happen. Now, the Democrats don't know what's going to happen. The Trumpers don't know. Donald Trump doesn't know. Everybody is,

is effectively in the Gavin Newsom position, waiting to see what's what's. how the. what's the metaphor here is, is the tea leaves metaphor. or the something metaphor, how it's going to shake out. Well, and I wonder if there is any moment. I mean, a lot of people have predicted, possibly wrongly, and you will have a better insight into this, but is it possible.

that Donald Trump would actually just say, you know what? This isn't worth it. I just want to make more money. I'm going to let JD have a run it. I don't want to be president anymore. No. Would you resign? No, no, he's gonna stay. No. You don't. You don't have to understand. The answer is no. He's not giving up attention for. Has anyone ever.

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