How Trump's Greed Will Bring Him Down | The Daily Beast Podcast

I think they feel conned. You know, same with a lot of people who voted for Donald Trump. in the last election. They feel like they were voting for a party that promised. to bring down costs that promised to drain the swamp. And now, just a year later, they see that everything has gotten more expensive. Corruption is the worst it's ever been, and they are not focused on the problems. we face as ordinary Americans every day. Instead, they're focused on building this police state. so they can accumulate even more power and wealth for themselves. Unless we identify how corrupt it is, how big money is at the root of this,

we're really missing the big picture. I'm Joanna Cole. This is the Daily Beast podcast, and I'm really excited. to share the next conversation with you, with someone who is really causing. enormous excitement in the Democratic Party. He has been in the Texas Senate for the last four terms. He's a former public schoolteacher, and he's now got his eye on beating.

Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett for the Senate to represent Texas. I think it's fair to say that he actually came to national prominence. on another podcast, on Joe Rogan's podcast, which is really a space. that, for the most part, Democrats have feared to tread. James went there boldly, and Joe Rogan, at the end of it, said, you should run for president. You're a good guy. You should run for president.

Well, he's running for the Senate. He's in Texas. We had a far ranging conversation which involved. when he was going to produce grandchildren for his mom. to how to deal with the situation in Minneapolis, to. what would Jesus do if he were confronted by Donald Trump? So I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. And of course, let us know what you think. Comment on YouTube. Please sign up for The Daily Beast. But just subscribe to the podcast and to the Daily Beast itself.

We're independent media and we get to have interesting conversations like this. because of subscribers and readers like you. So I hope you enjoy. No time to waste, James Talarico. Let's get into it. James. Hello, Rico. Extremely excited to talk to everybody saying you're the great hope. of the Democratic Party. And God knows they need some hope. But but without being too flippant.

We've had, as you have pointed out, two American citizens. peacefully protesting, shot in cold blood. on the streets of Minneapolis by a masked police force. It feels like this could be an inflection point. in American history, not just American politics. How did we get here? Well, you're right. Ice has shot a mother in the face, has kidnaped a five year.

old boy, has executed. a man in broad daylight on our streets. And so I think it's past time that we tear down. this secret police force and replace it with an agency. that is actually going to focus on public safety. I personally believe that our law enforcement resources. should be used to to crack down on the cartels, not our communities. We should be deporting gang members, not small business owners.

We should be hunting down human traffickers, not moms and babies. I think the vast majority of Texans, the vast majority of Americans, agree. with that position. But we have seen an administration that is using. every lever of power at their disposal to, you grow their police presence, across. this country, particularly in Minnesota, where we're seeing it most acutely. And so this should be alarming to every American, regardless.

of your political affiliation, regardless of your beliefs or your background. This is government overreach at its worst. And, and it's about time that every American stood up against it. But James, all of that sounds right. And yes, the Republicans were voted in. This is a democratically elected government. And the Democrats somehow let. immigration and the border slip through their fingers.

as policies that the voter had confidence in. So how do we how do we get out of this situation? Because right now the Democrats don't have any power. And it's another 11 months until the midterms and they still might not win. And you're absolutely right. It was the failures of the Biden administration. on our southern border that got us into this mess. I my family is from the border in Texas.

My mom grew up in Laredo, right there on the Texas Mexico border. And so I feel like we Texans understand this issue. better than most people around the country because we live with, the the challenges. and the benefits of immigration on a daily basis. And I think most Texans, most Americans are actually in the same spot. on this issue, despite how divisive it is. I've said that I think our southern border should be like our front porch. There should be a giant welcome mat out front and a lock on the door,

meaning we can both welcome immigrants who want to live the American dream, make us richer and stronger, and we can also keep people out. who mean to do us harm. Most Americans, most Texans want an immigration system. that is pro-immigrant and pro security. But for the past two decades, they've only had. they've had a political party. in the Democratic Party that seems to be pro-immigrant.

and not too concerned with security, as we saw in the Biden era. And then they vote in the Republican Party, as they did in 2024. And they see a party that seems to be pro security and anti-immigrant. and now anti-American, given that they are rounding up American citizens. And and I think. you're seeing the American people reject that kind of extremism as well. So what they're looking for is a party that can both champion. immigrants and the American dream and also champion public safety.

And I hope that our party can chart that new path on this issue. and hopefully get us out of this nightmare that we're all living in. Do you feel that. Democratic leadership at a national level, actually exists at this point? I mean, we had President Obama and President Clinton. both come out and say, well, this is not what American values are, but they're both figures in the past. You're being talked of as an American Democratic leader of the future.

But but where is the leader today of the National Party? Well, I think that's why we need a new generation of leaders. stepping up to take control of our of our party, because national Democrats have been feckless. They've been weak. They have not met the moment. And that's why our party is in the wilderness. All I'm trying to suggest is that. there is something to be learned out in the wilderness. The wilderness is where new ideas and new leadership and new movements come forth.

And so I think we should embrace this time in the wilderness so that we can, we can find ourselves. again, as, as a party, but also as a country. And it's in moments like this when you really do discover. what our true values are. It's it's been said before that, it's it's when it's most dark. That's when you see the stars. And I do believe that in this moment of crisis for our country and,

and, and for our world, you are seeing new leaders step up all over, this country. And that gives me a little bit of hope. Which, we've been starved of, for so long. How do you de-escalate the situation that we're in a Minneapolis? Well, you know, I think we need a, a mass protest movement, not just across. Minneapolis, not just across Minnesota, but across this country. Our forbearers, gave us the tools that we need in this moment.

and the tools of nonviolent direct action. are what led the civil rights movement through very dark and difficult times. It's what guided labor organizers and farm workers and suffragettes, during similar moments of crises. And so I think that's we have to fall back on that legacy in this moment. And so using the tools of nonviolent direct action, which we're seeing in Minnesota with these brave protesters,

you're seeing it in cities across the country. I think we have to double down on that, as we start to build. campaigns and build movements to win political power. In November of this year. You have to do both. We have to have immediate direct action to respond to the. the abuses of power that we're seeing in Minnesota and across the country. And we have to be building campaigns that we can win at the ballot box. and be able to win power so that we can push back.

against this extremism and this corruption. So you've been in the state Senate in Texas for four terms. What are you hearing from your Republican colleagues. about how they feel the national Republican Party. is showing up at the moment, because this can't be good for Republicans. as well as it might be an opportunity for Democrats. Well, I'm hearing from Republican voters on a daily basis, in this campaign. You know, I've been traveling all over Texas over the course of the Senate.

campaign, holding packed rallies and town halls. from Beaumont to El Paso, from Amarillo to Brownsville and everywhere in between. And I have so many people coming up to me at these events. who tell me that they're not Democrats, that their independence. or they're Republicans, or they're just disillusioned with politics as a whole. And all of them, regardless of where they are on the political spectrum, all of them are deeply disturbed by the extremism, the corruption, the government overreach that they're seeing in Minnesota.

And so there's a real moment here to build a big tent, a real, coalition that can. win power in this country and start to, to get us back on track. And, and, you know, protect our Constitution and our fundamental freedoms. It's our job, to start organizing. that movement and and building that coalition. And John Cornyn, the senator in your state, was,

I think it was his vote that pushed through the big, beautiful bill. Correct. So what what are. what are his Republican supporters saying at this moment? I mean, I think they feel conned. You know, same with a lot of people who voted for Donald Trump. in the last election. They feel like they were voting for a party that promised. to bring down costs that promised to drain the swamp. And now, just a year later, they see that everything has gotten more expensive.

Corruption is the worst it's ever been. And they are not focused on the problems. we face as ordinary Americans every day. Instead, they're focused on building this police state. so they can accumulate even more power and wealth for themselves. And so that's why I said, from the very first day of this campaign, that the real fight in. this country is not left versus right, it's top versus bottom. It is all of us, whether you're more conservative or more progressive.

It's all of us versus the people at the very top. who have corrupted our political system and who are trying to, to steal as much power and money for themselves as possible. And when you say at the top, you mean billionaires, right? I mean billionaires and their puppet politicians. Because they the the billionaire mega-donors. can't do anything on their own. They buy politicians who then in turn. write the rules in favor of these billionaires. You know, you're seeing this, in. Venezuela, where, you know, Donald Trump in the last election promised.

American oil executives, a great deal. That's a direct quote. In exchange for $1 billion in campaign contributions from those oil executives. And those executives flooded the president's campaign coffers with cash. And then just a few weeks ago, the president returned the favor. by gifting them the nation of Venezuela, home to the largest oil. reserves in the country. So we can we can get on shows like this and talk about how reckless.

and how, unconstitutional that intervention was. But unless we identify how corrupt it is, how big money is at the root of this, we're really missing the big picture. And so that's why I'm trying to. to call out this broken, corrupt political system, this broken, corrupt. economic system, so that we can understand where the true problem lies. That's the disease. The politicians, the extremism that we're seeing, that's all the symptoms. And, and I think. we're not going to get out of this mess until we focus on the system itself.

Although I'm not, I'm not I'm not sure if the oil executives thought. that Donald Trump was going to hand them Venezuela as part of the big deal. I mean, we heard the CEO of Exxon saying that Venezuela was basically. on the investable at this point. They may have thought he meant a different, a different deal. But I wanted to ask you something. You came to national prominence last year because you did an interview with Joe. Rogan, who has sort of been verboten on the Democratic side.

And I wanted to ask you, what did you learn from that experience? Yeah. I've been surprised that, people to this. day, still talk about that interview with with Rogan. You know, I, I had a real, I had a blast on that podcast, and, you know, I was struck by how, warm. and and open and curious, the host was, and it allowed for us to have a real conversation. You know, he didn't have a list of questions.

He didn't have an agenda. He was just trying to. have a, you know, a regular conversation like you would with a friend at a bar. And sometimes the conversation goes into weird, you know, rabbit holes. Sometimes it. it goes into these different tangents, but that's. what makes a conversation interesting. And I think it's why so many people listen, to his show. And so I learned, I think, on that, on that show that we can really build,

bridges, across all these, these manufactured divisions. We're a lot more alike than we realize. And, someone like Joe Rogan may get a reputation, as, you know, being unwinnable or, you know, being someone we don't have anything in common with, as Democrats. But, you know, I found the opposite. I found that weekend I had a lot more common ground than, than we both realized. And so that, to me, just emphasizes the importance of engaging in these,

these conversations across lines of difference. It takes a little courage and to be a little risky. I went on that show without any idea what he wanted to talk about. I don't have a list of topics or questions. So it took a little bit of, it was a bit of a risk to go on that. show, but, I think he and I actually connected in a genuine way. And I think that was helpful for a lot of his listeners. Well, he suggested you run for president. You said you were a good guy. Is he going to vote for you? Can he vote for you in your, in your in the Senate primary?

I don't know. I assume he's registered to vote in Texas. And and if he is, I would love to earn his vote. Whether it's in the primary or in the general election. But I'm not sure, where he's registered, and I don't know how he's going to be voting. Well, James, I think your team should find out. He's very influential. Are you going to ask him? Sure. I can ask him. I can ask him for his vote. And, you know, I think I'm, you know, more concerned.

with, with, reaching out to his listeners. You know, all over the state of Texas and earning their trust. and earning their support, in this election. But, yeah, would would wouldn't, wouldn't turn away Joe Rogan if he wants to vote for us. So, so let me ask you something. Much has been made of the fact that you're a man of faith. Your. Are you still in seminary as we speak? I am, you know, I, I, graduated, from seminary,

last May with, a degree, a master's of theological studies, but I, I am still on the path of learning, of earning a master's of divinity, which is the degree that I need to get ordained. in the Presbyterian Church, which is my ultimate goal. So, still on the seminary path, so to speak. So I have several friends. all in midlife who've recently finished seminary school. So I called them to ask them what I should ask you. And the first one who is a comedy writer, oddly,

who's who's finishing up at Princeton, Princeton Seminary wanted to know if you thought Jesus was woke. I guess it depends on how you define woke. You know, I, I do think that, Jesus, you know, was was going to the root. of our many problems. Going to the to the root of,

of so much of what we long for as human beings. It's why Jesus was truly radical. That's what that word radical means to go to the root. And, and so in that way, he was really talking. about the most fundamental aspects of our being. and was trying to get us in touch with that. You know, every time you read the New Testament, you'll notice. that when Jesus is asked a question, he never gives a direct answer. He always tells a story. And that's because his goal is to bring us to our own awareness.

If he was trying to, you know, teach us something to memorize, he would have sounded a lot different. But like all great teachers, whether it was Jesus. or Buddha or Moses or Muhammad. They are trying to help us connect with our, our deepest selves and, and that requires something different than just, you know, memorizing rules or, or repeating creeds.

It, it requires, you know, coming to your own awareness and, and so I think that's, that's what what the gift that Jesus still gives us 2000 years later. So what would Jesus say. if he if he was confronted with Donald Trump? Well, you know, I, I think, you know, Jesus told us to love our enemies and. and that kind of love is sometimes uncomfortable. It's sometimes confrontational.

Oftentimes love is, is, confused with a sentimental feeling or, being nice or being polite. That's not what true love is. At least not in my experience, and certainly not. when we look at the life and death and teachings of Jesus. That kind of radical, dangerous love sometimes requires. that we stand up to bullies, that we flip over the tables of injustice. And and so I think he would advocate.

for that kind of nonviolent resistance, and holding out hope, for, for not only this country, not only for our values. and for our neighbors, but also for our enemies, too. The goal is to win, in the words of Doctor King, a double victory, a victory for our. neighbors and a victory for our enemies at the same time. And and to me, that that's probably what Jesus would advise us to do. at this moment of crisis. I'm very curious about, as I think are a lot of people.

the difference between Christian and being Christian, which is what you are, and you're finishing off your master's. in the Presbyterian Seminary and a Christian nationalist, and I think for a lot of people is some sort of confusion. Can you explain to us the difference? Because it's the same God. Well, but there is nothing Christian about Christian nationalism. It's an an oxymoron. It's a contradiction in terms, because the love of Jesus of Nazareth.

was a universal love that can't be confined to the borders of a nation. It can't be confined to a political party. or, or, an ideology. can be defined to a, a race or a gender or even a religion. It's something that should transcend even religious boundaries. And so that's why Christian national is so dangerous. Because it's a perversion of the Christian tradition.

It's a perversion of of, of the teachings of Jesus. And the goal of Christian nationalism is to accumulate. wealth and power for the people at the very top. In the name of Christ. It is using our faith tradition to, to to try to hurt our neighbors. Which is exactly the opposite of what we're supposed to be doing as Christians. So that's why it's incumbent upon me, as a Christian, to speak out, against this, perversion of my faith.

and the subversion of our democracy. Okay. This evening, we're recording this on Tuesday evening. And just before we manage to connect, Ilhan Omar, the representative in Minnesota, was delivering, addressed to various people, and someone ran up to her and threw a liquid on her, which looks, in the moment, certainly very frightening. Your opponent, your Democratic opponent.

in the Democratic primary for the Texas, for the Senate, Jasmine Crockett. said she now has to wear a bulletproof vest. You're about to qualify as a priest. Why on earth would. you want to go into politics right now instead of running a ministry. which sounds more peaceful and perhaps more effective? Well, I mean, we've seen in Minnesota and across the country how members. of, of the clergy, priests and pastors.

and rabbis have been, thrown to the ground, by Ice agents, and have been persecuted themselves. just for living out the gospel, and living out their religious values. And so I would say that any, any position of public trust, whether it's. a elected official, a public servant, whether it's a, a minister, you know, it requires that we speak truth to power. It requires that we stand up to bullies on behalf of our vulnerable neighbors,

and that that's going to entail some danger. Again, we talked about the love of Jesus not being a sentimental feeling. It is a dangerous thing that love demands a lot of us in these types of moments. And, you know, I think about, Alex Preti, the. the man who was killed by Ice agents over the weekend in Minnesota. He was a, a VA doctor. He devoted his life to serving American veterans and serving his neighbors.

And in his final moments, he stood between a masked man. and one of his neighbors, risking his life to protect hers. And that, to me, is what real courage looks like. It's not hiding behind a mask. It's not shooting a man in the back. It's not lying to cover it all up. In a world full of cowards. We should all be more like Alex Preti and,

And I think our country needs us right now. She needs us all to have that kind of courage. Whether we're an elected official, whether we're, a fake leader, whether we're, a VA doctor, a teacher, or just an ordinary citizen. We all have to. step up in this moment of crisis and act with courage on behalf of our country. What did you think. of Erica Kirk's response to her. late husband, Charlie Kirk's assassination?

Well, you know, I know that she had called for, for, you know, her supporters to love their enemies. And, of course, I think that's a very, Christian concept. It's it's harder to put it into practice than it is to preach. I certainly know that myself. I think everybody, you know, experiences that, that difficulty. But it is a, a an admirable. and noble pursuit to try to love our enemies.

And it's, I think, critical in a democracy. The only way this American experiment is going to. continue is if we can learn to love each other. through our disagreements and despite our differences. I think the only way democracy is going to survive around the world. is if we find a way to love our enemies again. That doesn't mean you're not going to have disagreement. I mean, part of the, the the radical nature of that teaching. is that it acknowledges. that you're going to have enemies if you speak truth to power.

If you stand up for your neighbors, you're going to run into resistance. But the the thing we're called to do is to is to love the people. on the other side of that fight. Just as much as we love the people that we're standing up for. And again, it's that's almost impossible to do, but, it is the secret, I think, to, to saving this democratic project, all over the world. So in your own journey of faith, what's been or who's been the hardest thing to forgive?

Well, you know, in the Texas legislature, where I serve, we have been, you know, engaged in a. lot of very difficult, conflicts. Conflicts over public education, conflicts over health care access, conflicts over a woman's right to control her own body in our state. And those are life and death debates, because people die. because of the decisions made by members. of the Texas legislature, particularly by the Republican majority.

And, you know, when I'm engaging in these fights, when I'm standing up for my constituents, you know, I, I feel myself, getting angry, I feel hate. begin to, to grow in my heart, toward my opponents, toward my enemies. And and so it's really hard to, to see through some of these conflicts, especially when they're so consequential. for so many people that I love and care about in our state.

And but I think, doesn't Texas have the most restrictive. abortion laws at this point in the entire time? Exactly right. And and because of that extreme abortion ban, we have women dying in emergency room parking lots. because they can't access basic health care, because their doctors are too afraid to provide that care to them. And so this is killing women in our state as we speak. And so to try to, you know, to, to continue to work with those colleagues after they pass such.

a morally monstrous piece of legislation like that is incredibly difficult. And, you know, I again, I'm I'm an imperfect Christian like everybody else. I really struggle with how to love my enemies when when my enemies. are are hurting my constituents and hurting people all over our state. But again, the key is how do. you stand up to those bullies without becoming a bully yourself? That that's that's the line we're supposed to walk.

Because I think everyone knows. Well, how do you do? How do you do that? Well, I think it's one recognizing that, you know, the people that you're confronting, the people who are inflicting so much harm, they are human beings, too. And if we can recognize that all of us have, you know, deep flaws, all of us are imperfect. Then it's it's easy. It's easier to to figure out how to,

how to hold out hope for their salvation. To hold out hope that they will have. a change of heart, that they will see the error of their ways. You know that. you're not always going to see that in your lifetime. But if you can hold on to that hope, in that redemption that I think it, it ultimately will prevail in the long run. You speak very much with the rhythms of a preacher. And I know your grandfather was a Baptist preacher.

And I understand that that may work in Texas. Do you think it works outside of Texas, where people, perhaps less reliance on religion and much more conflicted. about state and religion and someone talking. about their faith as openly as you talk about yours. Well, you know, anybody who's seen my work in the state legislature knows. that I'm the fiercest defender of the separation of church and state.

I was raised to believe that that boundary, in our First Amendment is a sacred boundary. And I have stood up to Christian nationalism. At every turn, I have rejected any attempts to, to create a a state religion, to elevate Christianity over all the other beautiful faith traditions in the world. I've stood up for our atheist and agnostic neighbors in Texas. And so, you know, I try to model a responsible,

relationship between politics and faith. Between church and state. That's part of, you know what I, what I'm trying to show, in the state legislature, and I'm also trying to be very sensitive to the religious trauma. that a lot of people hold and a lot of people carry, because organized religion has hurt a lot of people in this country. And, and so I try to be very sensitive to that. When I talk about this in public, and I try to always remind. people that I know plenty of Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims,

Sikhs, agnostics, atheists who are more Christlike than some of the Christians. serving in public office in, in this state and in this country. And so I'm less concerned about what you believe. I'm more concerned about how you treat other people. Because to me, that's the the true testament to your belief system. So when you. hear someone like the vice president saying that he hopes that his wife, who is of Indian descent and I believe was brought up in Hinduism,

he hopes that she will convert to Christianity. What do you think? Yeah, I, I, I'm surprised they're still married. You have that kind of attitude. You know, I, I would remind, the vice president, that so many of, so many of the heroes, of Jesus's stories in the New Testament. are people of different faiths. If you go back and read the parable of the Good Samaritan,

maybe the most famous of Jesus's parables, the hero of that story. was didn't belong to Jesus's religion. The Samaritans were a different religious group. The Samaritans were the sworn enemies of Jesus's listeners, and Jesus lifts up that person from another faith. As an example of what it truly means, to to love your neighbor as yourself. So I feel like that those kind of parables should be a reminder. that people from other faiths can teach us something.

And that we should be open to learning, from these other beautiful faith traditions. You know, it's it's almost like telling. someone who speaks a different language that they should only speak English. I think our world would be poorer if we only had one language. I think all, you know, this rich tapestry, across our country, across our world, just. is such a gift to all of us that we should appreciate and cherish and protect. And that's. That should be true in people's families, too.

I know so many people who are in interfaith marriages, and from what I've learned from those couples is that they both grow. in their faiths by learning and cherishing the face of their partner. There's something beautiful about that kind of union. And, so I don't know where the vice president is coming from on that. So you're very well known in Texas. You're less well known on the national stage. Joe Rogan podcast notwithstanding.

Jasmine Crockett, who you're standing against as, for the Democratic primary, said that she had better name recognition. She had more experience on the national stage, that she was very appreciative of your experience at the state level, but that she would be a better candidate. for Senate because she just has more experience, more name recognition. And right now, the Democrats need to do whatever they can to get into government.

What's your response? Well, that's going to be for the voters to decide. They get to pick who they want. as their nominee and what kind of experience they value. And if they want more, DC experience, they have a candidate in this race. who has that. But if they want someone who has experience, teaching, in a classroom and an underfunded public school, if they want someone who has experience as a type one diabetic struggling. to afford insulin, if they want the experience of a.

of a fighter in the trenches of the Texas legislature who is still able to pass. major bills that that transform the lives of working people in our state, then they should be able to choose that kind of experience, too. I think different kinds of experience are valuable. And we shouldn't just value once. one type of experience over, over others. And, you know, there's probably value. And people who know. Washington have been in Washington and understand the ways of Washington,

that may be valuable in some, in some instances. But I think in this moment, people are looking for an outsider. They're looking for someone who's going to, who's going to change the system, not someone who comes from the system. So one of the other things that she implied, though, she didn't accuse you of this, but she raised a question over it. was, that Bowen Yang, the comedians Bowen Yang and Matt. Rogers had gone on a slightly. what what seemed like suddenly random,

attack on the congresswoman saying no one should give her money. It would be a complete waste of money to spend any time on her campaign whatsoever. And when I asked her about where that came from or. why they seemed so animated by not giving her money, she sort of implied that they might have been set up for it. So I wanted to ask you if you are anything to do with that. No. I know, I've heard I've heard her say this a few times, but, I don't know those two people. I didn't even know the podcast existed.

Me. Neither me nor our campaign. or any of our supporters, had anything to do with that. And, and I, I learned about it along with the rest of us. So thanks for the opportunity to clear it up. All right. To clear that up. So it was nothing to do? No, no. And, you know, and and, you know, after everybody was talking about this, I listened to the, to the clip, and I think they talked about me not knowing anything about me. And so, you know, I think if I had set that up, I would have made.

sure they knew something about me before the before the show started, so. Okay. Well, they're both suddenly. very interested in your Senate race, so that's probably a good thing. It's bringing more attention, I guess. And the, and I'm going to ask you the same question. I asked the congresswoman, and after I asked it, after I asked it, she accused me of making her sound like a loser, which was not my intention. But what are you doing when you're not campaigning? You know, what's your personal life like? How do you relax? Yeah, well, my family is very important to me.

My whole extended family. lives in round Rock, Texas, my hometown. My parents, my grandparents, my aunts, uncles, my cousins, my sister and her brother in law and my baby niece, Jane. I became an uncle three years ago for the first time. And congrats. It's been the the joy of my life. Watching, my baby niece grow up into a very curious, kind, silly toddler. And, you know, any chance that I,

can get off the campaign trail and steal a few minutes with her? I jump at that opportunity. You know, I also, very much enjoy hiking. I go to big band every year. I go to Los Maples every year. These are two, of our, a national and a state park here in Texas. In the Austin area, we have beautiful trails. I have a hiking trail right behind my house. In East Austin. And so, you know, I, I, I love to, to be out in nature. I love to, to be alone.

There's so much on the so much time. on the campaign trail that you're with other people. And it's really nice to have the opportunity to disconnect and. and be by yourself with, in the natural world. And then I also love to read. I was a language arts teacher. And, and reading is, has always been, a great source of comfort and inspiration, and escapism at times. And so, if I'm not hiking, if I'm not with my family, you'll probably find me, with a book, that that tends to be how I, how I relax.

I'm hearing that you're not married. Are you dating? Either. Gender. I'm just curious, because you're living in a very conservative state where by now. you should have full time. Yeah. Well, yes. You know, I'm 36, and you know my. I'm surprised. Maybe my mom puts you up to that question because she's also she's also. wanting to know when she's going to, get another granddaughter, or grandchild. So, it's in the works. I'm working on it. I'm, you know, and I know that's what, what my parents.

want to see and, and, and all in all, all due time. I'm sure, I'm sure they'll get another grandkid, and I do, in all seriousness. You know, I do want to have a wife and kids, one day. And, you know, my, unfortunately, my career and, my seminary work. has as kind of taken over my life in recent years, but it is a goal of mine. And, and I do want to have a family of my own at some point. I'm going to. connect with your mom, and we're going to we're we're going to work on it together. I have sons, so I'm always interested in this issue.

I've got two questions for you. If you if you are to win this race and you get to the Senate, you will be the youngest member of the Senate. At the same time, the Democratic establishment is behind, Janet Mills, currently governor of Maine, who would be, at 78, the oldest member going into the Senate if she gets elected in the primary. Should that be a cut off? It's 78.

Too old to be going into the Senate. Well, you know, I've been pretty outspoken about the need for a new generation of leaders. to step in, to step up in our party, and we need more millennials like me. But also, Gen Z are stepping up to take the mantle of leadership. in the Democratic Party. Our, you know, our our more senior elected officials, they they have invaluable wisdom and experience that, is really important. And I've learned so much. from my more senior colleagues in the state legislature. People who have been doing this work for a lot longer than I have.

And so we need this balance. We need new blood, new ideas, fresh perspective, fresh energy. And we also need the wisdom and the experience of our older colleagues. It's a balance that we need to strike right now that we don't have a balance. We only have, you know, people my grandparents age running things. in this country. And so that's why I'm so passionate about stepping forward as a young person. running for this seat, but also helping other young people all over the state. Also step up in when, public office because we do need that,

that balance, in our party to be able to lead into the future. So if you. do get elected to the Senate, if you get through the primary. and you get to the Senate, would you be in favor of a new, Democratic leader in the Senate as Chuck Schumer's time come and go? Well, I, I. definitely think that we need new leadership at every level in our party. And I'm sure that if we win a Senate majority, there's going to be a, competitive race, for,

Senate Majority leader, in our caucus. And so I'm going to do what I did as a member. of the state, House when I was a member of the Democratic caucus. I'm going to sit down with every candidate, including Leader Schumer, if he's running again. And I'm going to have some tough questions about their vision, their values. I'm going to weigh those conversations and then make a decision. But, you know, I think my record, and, and, what I've said in the past about needing some new blood in our party,

will definitely, color my thinking, on that decision. What would the first question you ask him be? Well, you know, I think I would ask, you know, any member, who's running for that critical, office of majority leader. is how do they stand up and hold this administration accountable? Because right now we don't have checks and balances. In our government anymore, we've got a rogue executive branch. that is violating the Constitution, blatantly violating our laws.

And so I want to know that we have a majority leader who is tough enough. to stand up to this president, stand up to this administration, and be able to, to finally reinstitute, checks and balances in our government. when you, listen to Donald Trump and you see what he's doing. Do you have concerns for his health? Well, I mean, I, I think anybody of, Donald Trump's age, you know, we should be thinking about their health, both physical and mental health. And, you know, I think we've seen that the president,

throughout his career, has lied about his health on multiple occasions. So I think these are legitimate questions to ask and legitimate concerns, for the American people to have. All right. Well, James, as we wished, Congresswoman Crocker, best of luck in the race, and I hope you will come back and talk to us. A very interesting talking to. And, you know, congratulations for creating a lot of drama around. what you're doing or a lot of attention, I should say.

Not drama. Attention. I really appreciate it. And thank you for the for the conversation. In the time. Okay. To be continued and good luck at Seminole. Wonderful. Thank you. See you soon. Well, you can definitely hear the grandfather, preacher and James's cadences and the way he speaks. And you can see why so many people are excited by him, and, hoping that he will go from state level in Texas to national level.

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