Werner Herzog (FULL EPISODE) | Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend

Hi, my name is Va Herzog and I feel. elevated. [clears throat] I feel. weightless about being Conan O'Brien's. friend. >> You know what? You should. That chair. you're sitting in actually is attached. to a scale. And [laughter]. the minute you read that uh that you. were my you felt elevated, I saw your. weight and basically in kilograms, you. know, that the European tradition uh you. uh you lost most of your body weight as.

you became my friend. >> Um I don't know, but let's hope so. [laughter]. Let's hope that I'm going to dwindle. down to 20 or [laughter] something like. that here. Well, hello there. Welcome to Conor. O'Brien Needs a Friend. I gave a little. extra today. Well, hello there. >> Yeah, you did. >> Uh, Sun Obsessian. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Hello, >> Matt Gorly. >> Hi. >> Hi. [laughter].

>> We've got much to talk about today. >> What was it? [laughter]. >> You just said before we got on mic, talk. about that. >> Yeah. >> And I said, sure, but I didn't hear what. you said. >> It was that Sona and I did. [sighs]. Yeah. I have to pretend to be interested. in your lives. HERE [laughter] WE GO. HOLD ON. HEY, this is interesting. I. understand that you guys went off on a. summer vacation. >> No, not that. We did We did voices for a. cartoon. >> I forgot which thing I'm supposed to be.

interested IN. >> OH MY GOD. >> OKAY, I CAN DO THIS. I CAN do this. Give. me a second. Hey, you guys had an. opportunity recently. [laughter]. >> OH MY [screaming] GOD. >> WOW. THAT'S EXCITING. I want to hear all. about it. [laughter]. Are your eyeballs painted on your. eyelids and you're sleeping right now? >> I just drew a face on a shovel. [laughter]. >> I left hours ago. >> Funny because Sona and I never want to. plan what we talk about and he always. wants to plan what we talk about. Then. we finally give him something and he. forgets.

>> Exactly. [laughter]. >> Cuz it involved your lives and I can't. channel the enthusiasm. [laughter]. >> No, I am. Here's what I've heard. All I. know is that something was offered to me. that I turned it down. Of course, it. never got to me. Yeah. >> Um and that you guys took it. So, tell. me about this adventure you had doing. the thing that I said no to. >> We talked so much about what it was and. what we did. And you only remember it. from the angle of how it involves you. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. [laughter] My own.

self-interest is my north star. It's my. guiding light. Wherever I if I'm lost in. the woods, I'll just remember who I am. and that will lead me home. [laughter]. When I hike in the woods, I don't bring. a compass. I bring a selfie, [laughter]. a head shot, and I just take it out. every now and then, and it it leads me. north. [laughter]. >> All of this is true. >> Yeah, >> it's true. >> I'm lost and I don't know what to do. I. can't see the sun. Which way's home? Oh, wait a minute. I've got a I've got a. head shot from 1998.

from NBC. >> Is this you talking? Yeah. Let's see. here. [laughter]. There it is. What a handsome fella. So. young, full of promise. Oh, it's leading. me to the future. >> Uh, [laughter]. tell me about this gig. It was a gig. that I turned down. >> Oh my god. Yeah. Well, yeah. Do you want. to tell it or No, >> you tell it. >> So, uh, we got we both got an email from. a show on Disney called Big City Greens, which is an awesome animated show.

>> It's a kid show. >> It's a kid show. And the thing is when. you have young kids, you I trust me, I. did this. I went through this phase when. my kids were 2, three, four, five, that. age. I did so many voiceovers for shows. that they were really into. But what. happened is because it's animation, it. takes a while. >> And then for it to come out and by the. time it would come out, I go, "Hey guys, I just did Gilly Glaloo Patrol.". [laughter] And aren't you excited? They'd be like, "What are you talking. about, man? They're rolling a joint.

What are you talking about? [laughter]. My son's shaving in the corner with an. electric razor. What? No one watches. that anymore. That was last year. [laughter]. So, I think four times I said yes to. things that by the time it came. [laughter] out, my kids were on to the. next show. Hey guys, I I taped a Caillou. 7 years ago. It's finally out. It's the. one where Caillou gets a wig. [laughter]. >> They found the cure for his bone cancer. [laughter]. >> Oh my god. >> I'm sorry. Caillou is a up kid.

>> Oh my god. >> Check out Caillou. >> I don't even either. >> Have you seen Caillou? I don't know what. it is. >> Has anyone here seen Caillou? Someone. jump on mic. Who's seen Caillou? Go. >> Yes. Am I on mic? >> Yeah. >> Yes. I've Caillou is a French uh bald. guy wearing a yellow shirt. Maybe. >> he looks like he's uh lacking. I'm going. to say this with all kindness. And not. much happens on Caillou. And he seems. rather meek. >> There's Caillou. Oh, so he's just French.

Charlie Brown. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I was going to say French Arnold. >> No, I think he's French kid who's. >> got an autoimmune disorder. But the. point is, [laughter]. um, Caillou is French for please. help me. [laughter]. There's no protein. There's no prote. [laughter] My body can't process. protein. It's just part of the sentence. >> Can you help me, please? >> Can you help me? >> Can you help me, please? [laughter] Um, anyway, I would do things like that and.

then it would come out and my kids. didn't care anymore. So, >> it does take forever. >> If I had young kids, I would know. What's the show called? >> Big City Greens. >> Big City Greens. I would know about this. show, but because my kids are now uh, you know, older than I am through some. uh, trick of time. Um, yeah, I don't. know this show. >> Well, it's it's great. And when they did. send us the email offering it to us, they were like, "We originally offered. this to Conan, but he couldn't do it.". So now we're coming to you. >> I could have done it. I have plenty of. time.

>> Oh, okay. >> Does it Does it sweeten the case anymore. that Tom Hanks has done it? >> Um, yeah, but Tom takes a lot of I. wouldn't do. [laughter]. >> I was offered the first Toy Story. I was. offered a part of Woody and I turned it. down. >> This was a long time ago and I was just. like, >> um, Splash I turned down. Oh. >> yeah, Forest Gump I turned down. >> That makes more sense. >> Yeah, Tom mostly has taken [laughter]. >> They saw me and they said. >> they wrote the script. >> Let's wrote a [laughter].

>> They wrote the character for you. specifically. >> They saw me running with braces on and I. had a weird buzz cut. >> Those braces when I was a kid. >> Did you really? >> No. Did you? >> I didn't have braces on my teeth though. >> I did. >> But wait, why did you have braces on. your legs? >> I had uh the pigeon toes. I don't know. even if that's the right term. >> Oh, they lied to you. That's not what. you [laughter] were. >> your legs as crooked as question marks. >> That's what they said in for. >> My dad used to pick me up out of the. crib with by the bar and swing me upside. down.

>> Yeah. >> Why did you No, did you have ricketetts. or something? Did they not? >> No, I just had I had. >> You had no citrus growing up. >> I had feet that turn inward and now they. work too well and I walk like a duck. Like my feet turn out too too much. [laughter]. >> Jesus. I didn't realize I was working at. a freak show. [laughter]. Oh my god. >> I'm sorry. Is that inconsiderate? >> Well, coming from you. It's a quite a. >> That's nice. Sorry. I didn't realize 6'4. 190 lbs of muscle is a freak show. I. think that's the technical term for. Adonis.

>> Uh [laughter]. let's move on. So, uh. >> we recorded these characters for Big. City Greens. And you're right, it's not. going to come out for like at least I. think a year and a half. >> Yeah, that long. >> Like a while. She Yeah, she said 2027. So we can. >> You're going to be sending this to your. kids in law school. You're going to be. [laughter] You're going to be saying, "Hey, I'm sending you something. >> in what used to be FedEx is now called. Glip Gorp.". >> Oh, you think the boys are going to law. school? [laughter]. >> Well, I think they're going to have to.

[laughter]. >> No other lawyer will take it. WE GOT TO. GO TO LAW SCHOOL OURSELVES. [laughter]. RIGHT, MIKEY? RIGHT, CHARLIE? Who says we ain't smart? >> ALL RIGHT, HERE we [laughter] go. >> I love your boys. You know that. More. than life itself. >> I'm the one who brought it up. So, that's me. >> My guest today is a legendary filmmaker. who's made over 70 films, including. Grizzly Man and Fitz Caraldo. He now has. a new book uh titled The Future of.

Truth. I am uh thrilled. I'm in awe of. this gentleman. Uh Verer Herzog, welcome. I want to thank you for being here. [laughter]. And I say that this is my second take. As a director, how do you respond when. an actor demands multiple takes? >> Oh, I don't uh care that it's movies and. actually I do not shoot many takes even.

though some of it is very very complex. Uh, I just finished a feature film with. [snorts] the two Mara sisters, Kate Mara. and Mara. >> They're fantastic. Yeah, >> they're fant I mean it's [laughter]. something you have never seen ever. before or after. They speak in unison, move in unison. And it is extremely high. precision to speak in unison, have the same emotion in unison. And yet. I didn't have more than two, three,

maximum maybe four uh takes. >> Last time you were here, you were saying. you were going to you started production. on this film, this. >> Yeah. Yeah. it has been dormant for a. long long time and it's uh it's. wonderful that uh I finally did it and. it's also related to writing to my. writing I I wrote my memoirs every every. man for himself and God against all and. there's a chapter.

>> I like those odds. >> yeah [laughter]. >> towards the end of the book there's a. chapter about unfinished business and I. speak about unfinished business a story. that I carried in me that I've in. partially encountered myself um with two. twin sisters who spoke in unison and. these uh sisters um they not only speak. in unison they move in unison in like. choreography they fall in love with the.

same man they have the same dreams at. night at the same time the same dreams. and they make the same Freudian slip of. tongue at the same moment. So the film. is called after one of these slips of. tongue bucking fasted. in [laughter]. >> in court. >> You bucking faster. >> Fast. Yes, [laughter]. >> I remember that. I want to use that. >> Eduardo, you bucking faster. [laughter].

>> And and the bucking faster, by the way, is Orlando Bloom, who is absolutely. wonderful. Wow. >> Uh and they had fallen in love with him. and um after they become so insistent he. goes has to go to court for a. restraining order and the judge allows. something that is completely. unprecedented in common law in England. or Ireland where actually shot it to. have two persons testify at the same.

time. >> Oh wow. in the same witness stand. >> Both sisters in the witness box. >> and they speak in unison and they shout. across that. They get completely excited. and in panicky and jabbing with their. fingers at the plaintiff, the uh. >> Orlando Bloom. >> Orlando Bloom. And they shout in unison, he's lying. >> Don't you hear that? He's lying. He's. lying under oath. The bucking bastard is.

lying. And they both make the same slip. >> Same slip of tongue. Yeah. >> When is this going to be out? I want to. see this now. >> I have. >> Can you screen it for us right now in. this booth? Or at least act it out. Yeah. [laughter]. >> Well, I could I could tell you the. story. Acted out. But. >> I just did part of it. It was great. >> No, [laughter] but uh but it's still not. finished. >> Yeah. >> Uh but I have another film that is. finished. It's called Ghost Elephants. And ghost elephants are shot in Africa.

and part in um in the United States in. the at the Smithsonian. and uh in some scientific labs. and this will be shown in Venice uh film. festival end of August. >> Incredible. I. >> the world premiere there and then. tellide. >> I just read your latest book. This is a. testament to your productivity. um which is off the charts. You've. written a book called the future of.

truth which is a bunch of just. fascinating essays about what is the. nature of truth and and where are we. headed and and uh in this post uh you. know strange information age that we. live in. Um but I noticed that at the. very end of the book I'm just looking at. the dust jacket as if I didn't you I. don't need to read your bio but it said. something that struck me which is you've. done over 70 documentaries and feature. films. It's probably more than 80 by. now. >> Since we've been in this room, [laughter].

>> you ran out and directed seven movies. while we were talking. >> We're in one of them. >> Yeah, exactly. But okay, over 80. I'm. going to go with over 80. Uh you should. talk to your publisher. Um but I'm I'm a. gasast at I think one of the reasons. that I get nourishment from being around. you is that you are such an inquisitive. person. Uh, I get the sense that you. always were and in your books and in. your writings, you you can't mention uh.

an obscure obscure tribe or place on. Earth that you haven't been to. You'll. say, "And I've been there, by the way. I. was there to shoot this film or I was. there to do this project." Um, so before. this is over, I'd like to have your. frequent flyer miles if I could. [laughter]. because you're everywhere. And I was. fascinated to learn that you don't. engage in social media. You don't have a. cell phone. >> And I think you lead a richer life than. most people I've encountered, if not.

everybody. >> Well, it's hard to compare. Uh each one. of us has uh the privilege of living to. live your life to live your life. To. live your life. Um [snorts] we are here. only once. >> Mhm. So we better do something decent, do something meaningful. Whatever it is. at the end of the day doesn't doesn't. really matter. But um I have lived with. a great intensity with great uh how.

shall I say also great dangers, great. great challenges. and it has been wonderful so far. I. can't complain. >> Well, I don't know how you survive. without a cell phone in the modern era. >> Easily. easily. I enjoy it. I do read. But in fact, uh I had to get myself a. cell phone. Technically, I have one now. because what happened uh uh in Dublin, I. was filming at the train station, parked.

my car at the adjacent uh uh train. station building and I couldn't get out. of it because uh it would open only. um with a application on a cell phone. You could. >> Yes. You could not pay cash. You could. not pay with a credit card. you had to. download an app of this parking lot and. then because it would register your uh. license plate the place where you parked.

in the duration [clears throat] of your. time in parking so I couldn't get out of. it. >> Yeah. >> And I was stuck and and for for things. like that I do have a cell phone. >> I I will tell you something. >> but it's always switched off. Sorry. Yeah. No, no. I There's a sign of our. modern times is uh um we have in my home. two young kittens and so my wife and I. went out and we had heard that oh you. can get a cat litter box that is.

self-cleaning. So we got it and we. unpack it and we it got very good. reviews. We put it in the room with our. two kittens and it said to operate this. you need an app on your phone that you. need to download. So, there's an app on. our phone. >> for cat for cat litter, [laughter]. a cat litter box, and it tells us when. the cats went to the bathroom, which of. the two cats went, cuz it knows the two. of them separately by their, I guess, weight differential, what they did in. there.

>> What? >> Yes. Yeah. What they ate. It analyzes. the feces. It tells you what they ate. and then I think it sends the feces back. in time. [laughter]. >> It's insane. And I now have a new rule. which is I will not I don't want to buy. a product that requires me to have an. app. >> I think that's a crime. I think it. should be a federal crime to demand that. oh I just this is really nice. I bought. these socks. You need to download the. app. It tells you if it's on the right. foot or the left foot. [laughter] It. tells you what your temperature of your. body is. It gives you alerts about how.

the sock is feeling. >> It's insane. and and too much. disinformation comes in. >> through it and people get addicted and. they cannot. >> uh take their their eyes off and keep. scrolling scrolling. >> and of course everything everything that. comes in uh via your cell phone or your. laptop emails or whatever you have to. distrust you have to doubt every single. male uh asking you for let's say.

um your information your informations. for making a money transfer is probably. some something fraudulent going on. Um, every mail that you receive or let's say. young girls receive mails from a young. uh handsome young man and maybe behind. it is a is a predator. >> who is who is 60 pretending to be a 17. >> You're looking at me. I didn't. [laughter].

>> That was an innocent That was an. innocent thing I was doing. Um, well, [laughter] this gets us to this book. which I very much enjoyed. It's called. The Future of Truth. Again, I don't know. how you're able to make over 80 uh. documentaries, films, constantly travel. uh the globe and um generate I think. you've generated two books since this. new book, which will be coming out soon. But you're talking about truth. What is. truth? What are we talking about when we. talk about truth and how unattainable it.

is? >> And at the same time, you make the point. that it's. >> the absolute truth of of any issue is. impossible to determine, but we must. strive for it. The striving is the. important part. >> Well, nobody knows what truth is. We do. not know. And there was a survey among. philosophers, 2,000 or so of them, um, and scientists, mathematicians, and trying to get a definition of truth.

Nobody could come up with it. There's no. way. There are different schools of. thinking, schools that link uh, truth. very much with reality and facts. >> But uh, the question immediately would. arise, what is reality? Am I real? Am I. just a rumor sitting here? Am I an. imposer to try to persuade you it's me? >> Yeah. >> So [clears throat] it's that there's no. no real thing out there or no truth per.

se. However, uh it's somehow innate. It's inbornne in us that uh some sort of. search for truth. >> that makes us distinct from the from the. cows in the field. And in all my work, whoever is an artist, a filmmaker is. always confronted with a question of. truth. It's something very very deeply. inherent in us. And I always have. struggled with it. Always have tried to.

define it and find the deepest stratum. of truth in film making in writing and. uh it makes it meaningful what I do. And. yet I do not claim that I'm in. possession of the truth. However, I have found ways to. approximate what we think may be truth. That's something deeply known in us. because I'm uh sometimes changing facts. I modify facts but not for the sake of.

uh misleading you or or cheating you. I. do it for the sake of arriving at at a. deeper stratum of truth. And I can. simply uh explain it with Michelangelo. who built who did the sculpture of the. Par in St. Peter's. The Virgin Mary with her son taken from. the cross in her lap. When you look at. the son, he's a 33y old man tormented.

uh and the mother is only 15 or maybe. 17. So my question now comes did. Michelangelo try to cheat us or give us. fake news? >> Right? >> Of course he didn't. He wanted to by. modifying facts got us into a deeper. insight into the very nature of Jesus. Christ the man of sorrows and into his.

mother the the virgin. >> Mhm. So, um, that's a way I. >> he could have depicted Mary being 20, 30, 40 years older in that moment. Uh, >> sure. Yes. >> And, and that might have lined up more. with chronologically. what's happening in that moment, but it. would have not arrived. It would not. have had the emotional impact, which is. truthful. >> Yeah. >> Had he not altered their ages. >> Yeah. Sure. And and of course uh would.

he have shown uh the Virgin Mary as. let's say a 55year-old woman? >> Yeah. >> Um he would have created what I call the. accountants truth. >> Yeah. There's such a thing like. factbased accountance truth which um is. a term that uh again is not not. completely applicable to to these things. but uh I do believe that uh he showed us.

something very very deep in the. emotional context. >> Yes. is always something that um um is. among all the crazy facts and. implausible things. uh emotions are always strangely enough. are always truthful. >> Yeah. >> And I describe a a case I made a film. called Family Romance LLC in Japan. There's this company that uh um an.

agency that rents out [laughter] rents. out friends or family members. >> I am familiar with this because I've. done it. >> I know. [laughter]. >> I've done it. >> In Japan, you can rent it's to deal with. the the the problem of loneliness and. you talk about this in the book. >> Yeah. >> Uh you can rent a family. >> Exactly. and the family the family is. fake but the emotions are truthful. >> and that's that's a significant thing or. for example you have an opera which I.

describe in the book uh um and opera um. stories uh are sometimes completely in. incredible and and strange and wild and. uh and um completely exaggerated out of. context of any credib ibility and. plausibility. >> and yet with the power of music the. emotions of the audience the emotions. that we feel are completely truthful.

>> In the book you break down Verer breaks. down the plot uh of an opera and it's. insane. It's the most insanely. implausible. I mean, just breaking down. the story lines and how um you know, people are posing as other people and. fleeing but then bumping into each other. in a cave, but then marrying each other. accidentally, but then having kids who. then I mean, it just it goes and goes. and goes, but you're right. >> when the music is added. >> Yeah. And uh there's a power. I mean,

how many times have we broken down the. lyrics to a rock and roll song that we. love, a rock and roll anthem, and you. just look at the lyrics and you think, well, this is ridiculous. But if the. band is playing it and you're hearing. that recording, you think this is an. elemental truth in our lives, you know, that and uh. >> and we should have sugar poured on us. >> and we should all have sugar poured on. us. [laughter] Um. >> that's Yeah. That's a rare occasion where I actually.

read the text and I think [laughter] the. text holds up too. And you see uh Koni. uh it's opera is a transformation of an. entire world into music. >> and then you achieve it and as you. mentioned I mean the story and I'm. describing La Forza delistino the force. of of destiny it starts with a young uh. lover who is actually an Inca prince. entering at night through the window of.

his beloved and The father is an an. aristocrat has just left and hears some. commotion or some noise returns. Corners the intruder who wants to who. has drawn his pistol because he thinks. he's attacked but he recognizes the. father throws his pistol away to show. that he has no bad intention. The pistol. hits the ground, discharges and hits the.

father through the heart and kills him. So that's only the beginning. [laughter]. >> That's that's the first action of the. play. >> It's it's just the first. >> and it's the most reasonable thing that. happens [laughter] in the opera. >> It it. >> it just goes and goes and goes. >> Yes. It it gets wilder and wilder. And. yet and yet there's a beauty about it. The beauty of And in the joy of by the. way the joy of stories, the joy of. storytelling. And I when I modify. things, of course, I would let the.

audience know either the story is so. implausible it cannot. I did a film in. uh Kuwait when everything was set on. fire before the first Kuwait war. All. the oil wells were on fire and the. commentary at the beginning explains. that this was shot on a planet in our. solar system. Meaning we as an audience. know it cannot have been shot on Pluto. or on Mars or Jupiter. It must have been.

filmed here. >> But the world that you see is not. recognizable anymore. >> There 60 minutes of images where you. cannot recognize our planet anymore. >> Yeah. And um so these these are the things. where where I not it's not embellishing. it's in a in a way modifying things in. order to enter into a deeper truth into. some sort that elevates. >> to the audience. Yeah. >> What I took away from the book was we.

all do this. It's in us. Um there's. something called an Irish fact which is. uh when the Irish get going on a story. um they they use Irish facts which are. are not no this is not factually correct. but when um a person such as myself. who's 100% genetically Irish and steeped. in whatever that is good and bad is and. when I'm telling a story.

the worst thing that you can do who was. stepping. Well, no, Conan, stop. Hold. on. No, no, no. You spent $18. Was You. said 17. [laughter] It was 18. >> And um this is going out to you, my. beloved wife, Liza. Uh [laughter]. she will hold me to account on some of. the facts sometimes, and I'll look at. her like, "The facts don't matter in. this story. I know that I'm switching. things out left and right, but it's a. really good story and it is getting to.

some moment that feels like it's the. truth to me. >> More truthful than the sheer facts. Yes, >> that's the beauty about it. That's the. beauty about storytelling. The beauty. about invention, the beauty about the. invention uh somehow enters enters your. heart and enters your dreams but not. your not your books of the accountant. >> Yeah. >> Well, I think that's what you're talking. about throughout the book is that.

um emotions get us to a truth sometimes. that facts cannot deliver. >> Yeah. Um, and we live in this world. right now where people are constantly. contesting. this is a fact. No, that's fake news. What's real? What's not real? We have. deep fakes. We have AI. >> We're constantly debating whose reality. are we going to use, which is the real. reality. >> But I do think there are moments where.

everyone can look at something and the. emotion they feel about it. >> delivers the real truth. >> Yeah. But you have to be careful about. it because uh when you look for example. at uh Germany in the late 20s early 30s. uh and uh when Hitler came to power it. was this emotional impact. >> That's true. So you have to be very very. >> no it's not unfailing but it's it's. >> just be suspicious remain suspicious and. >> and you see I see today 10 year olds who.

very casually tell me oh don't open this. here that's uh that's. an attempted fishing or what they call. it and I look at it yes and they say. yeah look at this here and look at that. here just put it into junk and they deal. with it with great ease. is. >> they've grown up with it. >> They younger people. >> even the the generation of let's say the. 20 30 year old uh who also grew up with. it don't have this kind of ease and.

nonchalance about uh separating things. and being suspicious. It's a little bit. like um um with prehistoric men when. they were out uh roaming around and uh. uh hunting and gathering, they would. gather berries and they would gather. mushrooms. But I'm sure uh they were suspicious. about things and they would not pick the. poisonous mushroom or the poisonous.

berry. They were they had a natural uh. acquired suspicion about things and it. was so natural that uh we can certainly. assume that they did not hate nature. They didn't hate nature. They just knew. how to navigate. And it's the same. thing. You don't have to hate the. internet and the cell phone and the what. whatever is coming at you in this new. media. You just have to maintain an a a.

complete level of suspicion. Truth is. not like a like a point somewhere far. out in the distance like a light, something uh translucent, something um. which is far out there which you can. which you can never reach. It's more a. process of searching for it, approximating and having doubts, going. uh uh wrong routes and then.

recalibrating your your way. That's what. I have done all my life and knowing that. I will never get at the very very truth. It doesn't matter. >> Mhm. >> It doesn't matter the search itself. >> The search is the point. >> The search is the point. the not giving. up the certain could I have the book. because I the very last chapter I would. like. >> this was your book but you know what. it's not the publisher sent a uh. >> but I have it.

>> you have it good they sent us I have. your copy at home your paperback but to. have a hardback here on the table they. sent us I think there's a. >> this is pornography they sent us. [laughter]. >> very good by the way fantastic there's a. picture of Fabio here [laughter]. >> is the Yeah, the cover. >> Oh, this is the book. >> The cover. The cover is correct. But you. see uh the um. >> what did they put here? This is the. great degeneration. How institutions. decay and economies die. >> Don't don't worry about these [laughter].

things. Let them let them decay. But you see, I. I just recorded it in a in a studio. and it will be out as an audio book at. the same at the same time uh with the. printed version and it has a last. chapter, the future of truth. >> In the future, the chapters are 10. pages, 15 pages or whatever. The very.

last chapter is only two lines long. the. future of truth. And it reads, "Truth. has no future, but truth has no past. either, but we will not must not cannot. give up the search for it." End of the. book. >> Yeah. No, it's uh. >> it's the striving is probably what it's. ultimately all about. The It's. interesting because I'm thinking about.

the way you live your life. We talked. earlier about how it must help you that. you've kept things simple. You avoid the. distractions of social media and a cell. phone. You also avoid a lot of the. distractions of materialism. >> You've had. >> True. Yeah. uh you've had great success, but you um unlike many famous directors, you're you're driving a car that you've. owned for maybe 12 years. >> Uh the last one 17 or 18 years.

>> 17 or 18 years. Okay. >> Uh what kind of car is it? >> A simple uh Ford Explorer. >> Okay. >> But but the most primitive. I love. that's a great uh this is why Ford. Explorer is not asking you to do. commercials [laughter] because you went. Ford Explorer and then you shrugged like. what are you gonna do? >> Yeah. No. Okay. Let's let's take the. name out of it. Let's. >> No, that's okay. That's okay. It's a. simple. >> No. No. But uh I asked for for the one. with uh the least amount of uh digital.

things in it. So yeah, good. >> Uh no um uh no um sort of uh phone calls. that come in or or Google whatever maps. and routing you and so. >> and I asked do you still have a car. where I can hand crank my windows and. they said no since 12 years it's nobody. produces it anymore. Then I asked, "Do. you have a car if my electric system.

somehow fails me that I can hand crank. the windshield wiper in [clears throat]. a thunderstorm?" And they just laugh, but they got the point. Yeah. [laughter]. >> So I just I just need four wheels and. engine steering wheel and. >> Stone had it right. Um, >> so you also uh I don't think you own a. lot of clothing or shoes, right? Do you. have how many pairs of shoes? Uh, basically one pair, but I do have. sandals.

[laughter]. >> Someone's hit the big time. >> Take it easy. >> You sound like Jesus Christ. >> I also have sandals. >> Oh, Jesus. Hitting the big time. >> But Conan, you will understand as you. have been in the Austrian mountains not. long ago. I do have uh strong heavy. boots for uh being in rocky terrain. So, it's not just one pair of shoes, but. basically, >> but you you keep things very simple. >> I don't need. >> Do you have a lot of suits and things. like that or. >> No, no, the jacket. I put it on for you.

today. >> This is the jacket that you own. >> What are you, Johnny Apple Seed? [laughter] Incredible. >> No, I actually own uh. a jacket that's very Bavarian in style. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And I. Yeah. And I I actually own a a suit. >> Yeah. >> But for for very formal. >> Yeah. >> sort of events where I I would dress up. to the occasion.

[music]. I I do understand. And I didn't used to. understand this, but you know, when. Maria Condo's books came out and she. started talking about you need to clean. out your closet, you need to um these. things weigh on you. That resonated with. me that when I have a lot of stuff, um it has a psychic weight, which. doesn't really make sense, but it feels.

like it does. And um doesn't mean I'm. going to have less. >> Oh. Oh, you're not learning from it. You're not adjusting. 15 homes. [laughter] I've never been to 12 of. them. Um but I won't let anyone else. stay in them. Uh [laughter] cuz they're. mine. >> No, but it's uh I do understand the the. principle of it. Um and. >> well, the principle is uh is the. observation that uh we are ruining our.

environment. >> because of two major reasons, underlying. reasons. Number one, we are too many for. this planet. We are using 8 or 9 billion. 9,000 million human beings and the um. the resources of of our planet are not. sufficient. >> So we are over uh overdrafting our our. account here on this planet. [clears throat] And the second thing is.

uh consumerism that a great amount of. human beings on this planet and growing. uh are into consumerism. and you see it with emerging countries. they are wildly into consumerisms and. that's why I love [snorts] for example. the Amish. uh the Amish who who do not want to have. electricity do not want to drive cars. they have horse buggies they do not have.

telephones television or anything like. that and let's say if there's a. cataclysmic. catastrophe. they are the first survivors because. they are homestead farmers. and uh they can provide uh what they. need. Um and Inuit by by the way would. also hunter gatherers would have a real. survival if it comes to a cat. cataclysmic catastrophe which is not too.

far-fetched to think about it. So in in. just in in order to understand what's. going on throwing things away is is not. the right thing. It doesn't feel right. And it doesn't feel right Conan because. I grew up as a child of the Second World. War. >> I was born in the middle of Second World. War. I know what hunger is. I was hungry. two and a half years of. >> and that's my strongest memory being. really hungry. And I it pains me. It.

pains me to see how uh people are. throwing 40% of the food away into the. trash. Um it's it's not that I do want. to be ideological or being the the. profit of anything. It just pains me. pains me and it's not right that uh we. are into this amount of consumerism and. it would be very easy to reduce uh the. amount of things that you are throwing.

away by simply uh managing your your. fridge better. >> Mhm. I overlook sometimes something and. oh my god it's gone and it's it's moldy. and I throw it away but it doesn't. happen very often. >> and it's simply simply because my. experience in life was different than. your experience in life uh most of the. people that I encounter here uh not that. you have to uh adopt my ways of of life.

but it's healthy to look a little bit. about how We are in a culture of. consumerism. >> We uh I I do think I mean we're all. influenced. It has to be a profound. influence on you the way that you you. were born into that cataclysmic event. and then experienced hunger which is the. most primal really uh deprivation you. can feel. And I I know and.

I know I as one of six kids in a family, I didn't know hunger, but I knew the. fear of my brothers taking [laughter] my. food. And so you'll attest to this, Sona. I eat like somebody in a prison. yard. I have my arms around my food. Uh, and I'm here, you know, living in Los. Angeles with uh, you know, uh, you know, all the everything at my disposal and I. still, uh, eat my food very quickly and.

my eyes dart around [laughter]. um because I think Neil's going to get. it if I'm if I'm not careful. And so. these things stick with you. >> Yeah. Yeah. But what sticks more to me. uh is not that I was hungry. >> Yeah. >> It's remembering my mother who could not. feed us. Yeah, >> three boys and she doesn't have enough. food to. uh [sighs] satisfy the most basic needs. >> and uh. >> so in a way you're you're remembering. her pain at not being able to perform.

>> Kids get get over it easily and it. didn't didn't damage me that I was. hungry. >> It it made me alert. It made me curious. It made me looking around what is not. going right here. My mother when we were. tugging at her skirt and we were kind of. whailing and we are hungry and give us. something to eat and she I remember that. moment. She spins around. completely collected and calm. She says.

to us, "Shut up, children. Shut up, boys. If I could cut it out of my ribs, I would cut it out of my ribs, but I. can't." M. >> and she goes on working in whatever she. was doing and that sticks to me to this. >> seared into that. Oh my god. >> So it's uh that's much worse for the. parents, for the mother. It's much. worse, >> right? >> To um uh being unccapable of feeding the.

children than it's for the children. themselves. >> Um. >> we can take a lot. >> Yeah. I I'm. >> kids. Yeah, I I'm I'm thinking about, you know, your book brings up all these. questions and there's so much to talk. about with obviously with AI and and. deep fakes and um how talking about the. search for truth, but everything can be. manipulated now and it's only going to. we're just at the beginning. So I'm.

curious, are you okay, Verer, with your. distinctive voice, your image living on. beyond you? And uh I mean it must have. first of all I'm sure it exists. I'm. sure there's a there there are verer AI. uh generated. >> Yeah. And even before AI, I had at least. 30 doppelgangers and they speak with my. voice. They adopt my accent. I mean. fine, let's accept my accent as it is.

But uh but they give you advice for. difficult situations in your life. >> Yeah. >> They read books to you. They tell you. jokes. They do whatever. So, and I. thought yes, experience of self has. changed and of course with the internet. in particular and um. doppelgangers and uh fakes of you are. rampant out there and I'm sure there are.

fake Conan out there. >> No one wants to do that. Yeah, [laughter] there's been no takers. They. want they want other verers. No one. wants another coner. You're making them. and everyone's. >> I'm making them. I'm trying [laughter]. to sell them for give them away for. free. >> No, I can live with it easily. Let Let. them do the battle out there and let. them do the dirty fight out. I mean, the. doppelgangers. >> But I'm thinking right now, if I if I. could change the directions in my car to. being Verer, I would happily do that. I. would I would happily have Verer telling.

me to take a left on Crenshaw, you know. Uh I that would fill me with delight and. um and you know if it enabled you to buy. another pair of shoes then [laughter]. everyone wins. >> I should I should be actually the voice. of of these uh systems. Uh they tell you. >> uh in 500 ft from now turn left. [laughter]. >> Well it get more philosophical in 500 ft.

you see to exist. No. [laughter] Calmly, calmly intimidating. Turn left now. [laughter]. Something like that. Yeah. [laughter]. >> Or else, you have arrived or have you? >> Do any of us really arrive? [laughter]. >> We always have a philosophical question. >> Drive to arrive. >> It's the It's the journey that's. important, not the destination. No, it. would be great joy if I if I would pop.

up with the voice to give you guidance. for turning right or left or going for. the next 12 miles straight. So um no uh. self uh the experience of self uh is is. a massive change and of course AI I do. not want to uh to put it down completely. because it has glorious magnificent. possibilities in science in. pharmaceuticals in transportation and. you just name it but at the same time uh.

it has already on route to take over. warfare. >> M um directing drones and I mean huge. swarms of them and it will be. overwhelmingly uh uh the face of uh of. warfare of the future. And of course uh um cheating, pretending, propagandizing,

all these things are are are like a. nemesis are like a it's it's out there. and and we have to be we have to be. alert to it and and again I say when. you're curious and when you. access different sources very quickly. you would find out this is in invented. Yeah, >> I've seen movies, short films, completely created by. artificial intelligence, story and.

acting and. >> and everything and they look completely. dead. There are stories, but they have. no soul. >> They don't have the spark. Yeah, >> it's not only a spark. It's they are. they're empty [clears throat] and. soulless. And you know it's a most. common lowest denominator of what is. filling billions and billions of. informations on the internet. The common. denominator. and uh nothing beyond this common.

denominator can be found uh in in these. fabrications. and uh you will immediately identify it. you will find it very quickly and I have. no problem that people are using it like. school kids using it as a tool the same. way we used uh uh dictionaries or. encyclopedias in my time or we would use. um a calculator for for uh calculating.

multiplication or the square root of. something fine but you should understand. what does it mean a square root of. something what is the mathematical. concept behind it? What is the. mathematical concept of uh logarithmic. uh curves and things like that? You have. to know that. If you know that, use the. calculator. >> Mhm. >> That's fine. It's interesting because. when I listen to you, when I speak with.

you, when I read your work, when I see. your films, uh I there's a pattern where. uh things can get quite grim, but then. you'll say something that makes me very. optimistic. Um I I find that it's a bit. of a it's a wave, you know, uh which. which it should be because you can. always see both. Um, but I find myself. even in this course of this chat we've. had at times feeling like you're telling.

me we're all in great danger and it's. over. Um, but also feeling optimistic at. times that if we strive and if we try to. see things as they are uh or we make. multiple attempts to find a real truth, we'll get there somehow. So, I'm always. end up with two ends to the story when I. talk to you. a a bright one and a and a. darker one, >> which I think is probably okay. >> Sure. Yes. And I I'm I love storytelling.

and I. >> I love what I do and and of course when. I when I listen to you Yes. Uh you're. right. And it continues until this very. day. I just. >> made a film called Ghost Elephants, a. documentary in Africa, Namibia, and. that's okay. And uh and um what is interesting is. that uh tribal people in the southern. part of Africa, Kalahari, sun, bushmen, tribesmen, they link uh the fate of.

humans to the to the fate of elephants. If these elephants disappear, human. beings also will disappear because they. are um mutually somehow um incorporated. in in each others. The soul of elephants. lives in you and lives in a in case of. these tribal people lives in our tribal. communities. And it's beautiful to to see that. And.

uh and it's uh it sounds a little bit as. if it were a documentary on um uh on. wildlife, but you see elephants only for. 20 seconds. >> in the film. Otherwise, you see ghosts, you see the spirits of elephants. And. how do you how do you show the spirit of. an elephant? And that's a big question. and and they show the glory and the. magnificence of elephants and at the.

same time as you have suggested yes. there's there's this glorious side in. the dark side if we exterminate them uh. it will probably lead to our own. selfdestruction. and yet of course we don't do it. completely we try to protect them. preserve them study them keep them life. >> Yeah, that's a great way to look at. environmentalism is do it for ourselves, not for not to be noble, but these.

creatures need to endure so that we can. endure. >> Sure. And and uh it's more than just. enduring and uh. >> today as we are arounded about instill. thriving. I do not want to live in a. world without lions. >> period. >> I just want to see them around. >> Yeah. Well, without elephants. >> Is there an animal you hate that you're. fine if we get [laughter] rid of it? >> Well, yeah. I'm I'm worried about.

spiders. [laughter]. >> Yeah. I just wanted you to admit, so. it's okay to kill this if you're. listening. Kill a spider. [laughter]. >> Yes. And and a spider, a tarantula. that didn't sting me or bite me almost. killed me once. I was in the jungle in uh in the. Peruvian. >> But not a bite. It had a gun. >> No, no, no. [laughter] I we were. desperately trying to get a flight a. single engine flight amphibious flight. far out into a small uh tributary of the.

Amazon and I was woken up every night ah. the plane is there so it wasn't there so. I went back to sleep suddenly at 4 in. the morning wake up wake up get out get. get up the plane is there so I put on. some clothes put one shoe on and the. other and there's a sock still in there. and I grabbed into the shoe and pull it. out and it's a tarantula. I mean almost. hairy as big as my fist.

>> and I and I dropped the tarantula. >> and I and my heart stopped beating. I I. it literally stopped beating and and I. knew it and I thought to myself, dying. from from a heart attack is is. ridiculous. Not because of a tarantula that has. [laughter]. has has not even bitten you. >> has not even and I was sitting there and. I was looking at the tarantula and tried. to listen at my heartbeat which wasn't.

there anymore. And then after 20 seconds. or 30 seconds all of a sudden. I was I was back to life. >> So I don't like spiders. [laughter]. Wow. >> Do you have a an edit of our My favorite. quote of yours from one of the previous. uh podcasts was you talking about your. favorite real or a reality show that. intrigued you and it's a it's it's. burned into my brain and I hope to burn. it into everyone else's. Give it a roll,

Eduardo. >> Here Comes Honey Boo Boo. >> That just makes me happy. You. enunciating boooo gives me so much joy. Do you still watch Here Comes Honey. Boooo or have you moved on to Love. Island? >> Yes. [laughter]. Now I I I'm still searching around. Honey Boooo, of course you made. [laughter] something beautiful out of. it. I had no idea that it would have. such repercussion in [laughter] your in. your spiritual life. >> Oh, it's huge. It's the only reason I. get out of bed in the morning.

>> Okay. [laughter]. >> Is I think of And when I'm down, I think. of you uh saying Honey Boo Boo. And it. makes me very happy. >> I had no idea that it was that funny, but I accept it. And uh today I enjoy. myself [laughter] because you made it. into such a wild thing. >> Well, uh a joy to talk to you always, Verer, and I'm in awe of your uh your. spirit and your tenacity and your. curiosity. Uh it's these are all great.

qualities and we can all uh I I should. get a bracelet. What would Verer do? you. know, because I think you have a a. terrific. uh outlook on life and uh and I'd like. to be a little more like Verer Herzog. So, Verer, I until we meet again, thank. you so much for being here and for. honoring us with your with your presence. and your insights. >> I enjoyed to be with you on this table. Thanks a lot. >> Yeah. Yeah. And yes, look for uh if you.

want to request that Verer Herzog become. a directional vocals uh on your uh. >> you can actually do that on the ways. Speaking of app, on the ways app, you. can plug in a few little things. So. probably there were enough sound bites. from this recording [laughter] put in. turn left and I'm worried about spiders. [laughter]. >> So look for that soon. All right. Thank. you, Verer. Thanks, [music].

Sona. This is a first. I sat down at the. mic like any professional, ready to go. when uh in my peripheral vision. I look. to my right and I see that Oki, >> your dog, is with you. Oki has been a. fixture for a long time. When did you. get. >> special girl? Well, we were just talking. about this. We got her in September. 2018, and this podcast premiered. November 2018. >> So, Oki is pretty much uh the same exact. same age uh as the podcast and the same.

amount of downloads. >> Yeah. >> What do you guys ever think about what. your animals sound like? >> Yeah. Mine are like, "Oh, [laughter] oh, what. mine is feed me. feed me. [laughter] all day long. Feed me. Feed. me. >> I brought I I'm worried she's a little. depressed lately cuz she's been under. our bed a lot. She used to like. >> roam around, but I think she's just not. used to the change of scenery. So, she's.

just been in under the bed. >> She checked under the bed. There might. be like half a ham back there. >> Oh, no. The half ham. We left it there. [clears throat] I forgot. No, she's just. I don't know. I just brought her to. Let's talk about Oki. Uh, of course, famously, uh, you brought Oki to a. restaurant once when you were going to. meet me because you thought, "Well, I'm. eating with Conan. They don't allow dogs. at the restaurant, but I'll bring Oki. because who's going to say boo to Conan. O'Brien?" So, you used Did you use me?

>> Yes, I did use you. I did. Who is going. to say I mean, look, it's It wasn't It. was outdoors. You're making me sound. really shitty right now. >> You used to do this when you would drive. me places. cuz you would go like 110 mph. in a residential zone and your whole. attitude was what are they going to do. if they pull me over? I'm sitting here. with with the golden child. >> Have you ever we we you don't we don't. have to talk about this but you've been. pulled over and they haven't given you a. ticket. >> You know what they do? What. >> they pull me over and they say, "Sir, do. you realize holy [laughter] are.

you?". And I go, "Well, yes, officer. Right. I. [laughter] am. >> just so much work. So prolific. >> September 13th, 1993. Up until the present day, every medium. you try a total home run. [laughter]. Officer, please. Officer, do you need a. change of pants? I do. >> And then they always let me wear their.

cap. >> They give me candy. You. >> want to shoot their gun? Probably. >> They let me shoot their gun. [laughter]. Gun. They let me shoot their gun. Um, yeah, it's uh it's amazing. >> Yeah, but you make me sound bad. I did. It was outdoors. We were meeting. outdoors at a restaurant. They probably. There weren't any other dogs there, but. I don't I don't think I explicitly. >> They explicitly said no dogs. >> You walked in holding your dog, sat down. opposite me. >> Yeah. >> A woman at the next table went into. anaphylactic shock cuz she was allergic.

to dogs. >> She is no longer with us. >> She died. >> Yeah. She. >> Yeah. And you. >> but Oki got to sit with me. >> I said [laughter]. I said we should use a pen knife and. make a small opening in her trachea so. she can breathe. And you said on it, chief. And stabbed her to death in the. throat. [laughter]. >> I heard about this. >> Yeah. It was all over the papas. The. papas. >> And then you let Oki just go feed from. everybody's plates. >> Yeah. And from her wound. >> But they didn't cuz I was with Conan. >> Yeah. They couldn't. They said you're.

you're technically guilty of murder. But. Conan [laughter]. >> Oh my god. Oh, [screaming]. >> you're on the cover of TV Guide three. times. [laughter]. Rolling Stone twice. You were one of US. magazines 75 bachelors in 1995 to quote. keep an eye on. >> Is [laughter] that real? >> I don't know. I think that last one's. kind of true. [clears throat]. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Speaking of the early days of this.

podcast, Okei played kind of a pivotal. part because one of the earliest. segments we did and we should recount. this story at least in a nutshell is the. text between you and Conan about Oi. Do. you remember this? >> I don't. >> The Oi shits. >> Remember when I I text you I was like, "Okay, everywhere and there's throw. up and I got to stay and clean it up and. then I'll be in. >> and I read it which way?" You you read. it as I'm going to be late. Okay. I. everywhere. >> Yes. [laughter]. >> Yes. The dog's name is Okie. And this is. a blast in the past, but And what a.

blast. But you said, "Okay, everywhere." And I read [snorts]. >> Yeah, I'm going to be late. [laughter]. Okay, I everywhere. And I thought, "Wow, >> TMI.". >> We were talking about this before. The. the sentiment in the reading of it is. like, "I'm going to be late. Pause.". Like, "All right, you got me. I'm late. because I everywhere. >> No one asking me.". >> Yeah. And I just pictured you firing at. the walls. Um but uh. >> don't picture it. >> But then too late and every listener.

[laughter] is now too. >> And then remember you got that second. dog. >> Huh? >> Yeah. It name is I have to be honest. with you. [laughter]. >> And you said remember I got these texts. I have to be honest with you. >> Yeah. Was the name of the dog was I have. to be honest with you. I which I thought. was and it was all ran together. I have. to be honest with you I was the name of. the dog which is an Armenian term. [laughter] meaning bright sun come over. a mountain. And anyway, >> Yeah. And you said, "I have to be honest. with you. I humped [laughter] the leg of.

a chair for 3 hours with my eyes rolled. back in my [laughter] head." And I said, "What?". And you said, "Yeah, I have to be honest. with you. I. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> has an erection that won't go away and. has gone for 9 hours straight. Remember. this? >> Do you remember your dog to tell the. truth I told to tell the truth? I licked. my own butt for [laughter] a long time. >> and then remember you got a cat called. Don't Tell anyone. This [laughter] is. just between us but I remember that.

>> true. These are all true stories. If. only did you ever think of Pho or Arth. or Snoopy? [laughter]. >> No. >> Oh no. Poor Oi. Oki. They're using you. for comedy fodder. >> You know what? You can tell Oki knows. what's happening cuz Oki has just sunk. his head his her chin down onto your leg. and is just in a depressive funk. >> Yeah, she mocked once again. >> I can't wait to get back under that bed.

and nibble that half ham. [laughter]. >> Oh my god. >> Why do you keep hams under the bed? Is. that some sort of. >> I love ham. >> Okay. Well, [laughter]. >> why wouldn't you keep ham under the bed? So, you're sleeping and you've got your. eye mask on [laughter] and you just do a. reach under and grab a hunk. >> Pre pre- bedtime ham hunk. >> I love that. >> On the floor just getting dusty. It's. all covered in. >> It's collecting a lot of things. Yeah, it's it's seasoned. It's getting. seasoning. The dust actually makes it. taste a little better. So, you guys.

should try it. Bed ham. >> Bed ham. Well, I enjoyed this segment. I. really did. And I'm glad you brought I'm. going to reach over and give Oi. What's the name Oki come from? >> So, when Tac and I were in Japan, we. were in Okinawa for our honeymoon for a. chunk of it. And then uh my friend uh. Nai posted her picture on Instagram and. said that they were looking for a home. for her. >> So, to remember where we were, we called. her Oki, which is short short for. Okinawa.

>> Okay. You had a really nice wedding. >> We had 550 people. >> It was great. It was really fun. >> That's not a wedding. That's a like. convention. It was a convention. >> Yeah. I wish I knew you back then. I. would have invited you. It would have. been crazy. People throw money on the. floor. You're dancing on money the whole. night. Awesome. And then did you guys. hear someone in Glendale stole. >> like the money from a wedding? >> What? >> Yeah. >> Well, just to so everyone knows, Armenian weddings, you throw money in. the air. >> Yes. You throw money in the air.

everywhere. >> It's $1 bills. >> Well, some of them are like fives. >> Not at your wedding. >> How dare you? cuz I was going through I. was looking hard for a fiverr. I would. take a five. I would have taken a two. They were all singles. I'm sorry. It. looked like there was an explosion at. the score strip club, >> but there were a lot of ones. And then. there's no registry usually. They It's. just envelopes of cash. And so you put. them in a box and some guy came into a. hall in Glendale and then like stole the. whole box of money. It must have been.

like $100,000. >> Oh wow. >> Crazy. There's video you see him like s. >> Do we know who he is? Has he been. caught? >> No, >> but they have him on video. >> Yeah. Yeah, but it's fresh. It's fresh. It's like it just happened. >> You should have a crime show where. nothing's ever solved, but you have that. exact optimistic tone. And they never. FIGURED IT OUT. >> YES. >> NEVER. AND they called him the Zodiac. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> And no one figured it out. Anyway, next. week, this guy went in the woods and. he's just gone. I don't know. Did they.

FIND HIM? I DON'T KNOW. ISN'T IT GREAT? >> YES. That's a great podcast. I'm going. to do it. >> Well, listen. I'm going to wrap this up. because I think we've gone on for quite. a while, but we had some good laughs. >> I do love Oki, especially. You bought. him, I remember, or you had it made her. I'm sorry. Her. >> You know, different pronouns, I suppose. Um, who knows? >> Uh, you bought Okie uh a little slash. hat cuz you love Slash from Guns and. Roses. >> She was a slash for Halloween one year.

She had a little leather jacket and then. a little hair. Yeah, she had. And we we. just got her groomed, but usually she's. like fluffy and she was slashlike. It. was awesome. >> Very cool. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, peace out. >> She's the coolest dog in the world. >> Peace out. And uh. >> don't say Tupac. >> No, I was going to say uh I was going to. say Slash. >> Oh, okay. >> You could say it. >> Yeah. Saul Hudson. Love him. >> What a great guy. >> He's the best. >> Good friend to us. We've touched on many. subjects. We've roamed. We came up with. some amazing dog names. If you want to. use them, we will lease them to you.

[laughter] Peace out. Saul Hudson. slashtupac. >> Saul Hudson slashtupac. >> Yeah. [laughter]. Yeah. And uh shout out to my to my uh to. Sona's other dogs. I swear to God, you. can't tell anybody but I. [laughter]. And this is a complete cone of silence. You can never breathe a word of this. But here goes. I. [laughter]. And you have to swear on your life and. your mother's life and your father's. life that you will never repeat what I'm. about to tell you. I. [laughter].

Peace out.