Patton Oswalt (Full Episode) | Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend

Hi, my name is Patton Oswalt and I feel. relieved about being Conan O'Brien's. friend. >> Relieved. >> Relieved. >> You thought you were just barely hanging. on with me. >> Hanging on by my fingertips. I know you. got way bigger people you're hanging out. with. When everyone grabs the chocolate. chip cookies, you learn to like the. oatmeal. You learn [laughter] to like. the oatmeal cookies. [music]. >> Hey there. Welcome to Conan O'Brien.

Needs a Friend. >> I'm Conan O'Brien. Big surprise. Joined. by Sun Obsessian. >> Hello. >> Matt Gorley. Hi. >> Very exciting show today. >> Because um this is a follow-up. You. know, every now and then something comes. up in a podcast and maybe it piques the. listener's interest and then we get to. follow up with new information that. changes the whole story. >> Uh do you know what I'm talking about. here, man? Why don't you take the ball? Well, in an episode not long ago, um, we. were talking about the epic time that. Eduardo called Conan a little.

>> Yeah. [snorts]. >> Yeah. Well, I don't know if it's epic. time. >> It was epic. >> Maybe the darkest hour. >> one for the ages in the. >> history of our history of our nation. Monumental. >> clutched my pearls. >> Hero of mine. Uh, and actually, we were. all re reing in it that Yes. And and. just make it clear, um, we were talking. on a certain subject and then Eduardo. out of nowhere just called me a little. >> Out of nowhere. out of nowhere. >> I know. Out of nowhere. >> Yeah. I think. >> Wait, we're going to litigate this. again? Cuz I'm talking about the time we. were talking about that time, [laughter].

>> which was very recently, >> but it didn't bother you at all cuz you. don't, >> you know. >> I don't know. It's sort of uh it felt a. little out of left field um and not at. all in keeping with my stature. [laughter] But yes, we were discussing. that time and um everyone here of course. was doing the haha, wasn't that great? Wasn't that great? Conan sure got his. And then Sony, you admitted something. that kind of surprised us. >> Kind of stopped us all. I don't think I.

would ever I don't think I could ever. call you a It just feels like And. then you said you still have a little. bit of professional fear. And I I I. think I do. >> It's so funny because you uh have kicked. my ass to the curb in so many different. ways. >> I've called you a dick. >> Sure. >> I've called you an. >> Well, I am those things. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Those are I don't know. why feels like it's a little too. harsh. >> No, but to you it it stopped you a. little bit and you were surprised that. Eduardo said it and you thought I.

couldn't go that far. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um well, some information has come. in over the transom and Matt, you were. the keeper of this information. Care to. tell us about it? >> Well, as soon as we left that segment, Sam Curry, who handles all the wonderful. social media, put a clip in all of our. faces. Let's just roll the clip. We can. talk right? >> The dreaded son obsessian who's terrific. at cornhole. Um, >> I'm terrific. can't throw. You little. What? Wasted height. God, this is.

embarrassing for you, loser. >> You can't touch me. >> I swear I'm not worried about this at. all. >> I can't get better at this. Even if we. did a competition where we built wooden. airplanes, you'd win. Thor, someone's. getting hurtful cuz he's losing. I don't. think I've ever seen you throw anything. >> Let's dial it back [laughter] a little. bit. Three points for. >> Yeah, I do have a problem, >> Twice. Twice you call him a little. >> Twice you call me a little And.

that's one of 700 [laughter] awful. things you said to me just as we're. playing cornhole within like a 2-minute. period. >> Oh my god. >> So, you called me a little twice. >> I was brutal. I was. >> So what? Explain you. How can you think. you've never done it because you never. in a million years would and then you. said it twice. >> in within seconds of each other? >> You legitimately thought that I had. never called you a I really did. And then I the moment that that started. I was like I remember that. And I think.

that Can I can I say something in my. defense? >> Sure. >> I please. [laughter] I'd love to hear. it. >> I had I at that point I was buzz buzzed. I was buzzed. >> Were you drinking? That was one of those. That was one of those summer s'mores. So, you were drinking alcohol. >> Yes, I was. >> I don't even remember. But you probably. made the cocktail. >> I did, I think. Okay. What was in there, do you think? >> Liquid courage. >> I guess my point is your defense is that. you were drinking. And we all know that. in Veno Veritas, truth comes out of. drinking.

>> So, all that reveals is that you do. think I'm a little. >> Here's what I know. I know I get. competitive and I know we were competing. and I'm even more competitive when I'm. competing against you. >> Yes. >> Um. >> and you'd been drinking. >> and I've been drinking. >> So you're trash talking. >> and I love to just trash talk. So. >> And you're a little [laughter]. >> You're a little. >> Yes. I I mean we'll get to that later. I. whether or not I am a little. [laughter].

We have I've I just came back from the. doctor. The tests are in. We'll talk. about that a little later. >> I um I think this also means I clearly. don't have any sort of professional. >> You [laughter] don't Also, if you. remember, I demolished you in that. cornhole game. I beat you and you were. mad. You were really mad. >> And I think that's where a lot of this. came out. >> Yeah, that was like an uncomfortable. day. I remember feeling like my parents. were fighting. >> Oh, >> I wasn't fighting back, I don't think.

>> No, you were smug as hell. >> You were so smug. You are the worst. person to lose. >> because I won in cornhole which means. that I'm the best person that ever. lived. >> No, you are an awful person to lose. I'm. already competitive and then when Look. at your stupid face right now. Look at. your stupid face. >> Hey, if you want to see my stupid face, go to the video on team coco.com. >> Oh, you're so you're smug just thinking. about it. >> And remember how cranky he was? The. whole thing started with you complaining. about ducting for like 20 minutes. >> Always covered in ducting and conduits.

And hey, get me started on conduits and. I need a drink. Uh, but the facts are. the [laughter] facts are that you were. shocked that Eduardo called me a little. >> I was. >> You said I would never do such a thing. And then we immediately, >> thanks to Sam Curry, had footage of you. calling me a little Not once, but. twice in rapid succession. >> Right. [laughter]. >> So, what else have you done in your life. that you think. >> you probably walk around thinking, "I. didn't do that. I would never I would. never kill a hobo." You guys never had. those nights where you went drinking and.

you woke up the next morning. You're. like us. Are you kidding me? What are. you talking about? What happened? >> Yeah. I once had a rum flavored lozenge. and woke up in the library. [laughter]. >> You're looking at two little. here. >> Yeah. I'm a little And by the. way, that's the big [laughter]. that's the big reveal from my doctor is. Yes, it came back. The results. >> I mean, when I used to go out and I. would, you know, I would drink pretty. heavily and then. >> Oh, I remember. Sure. >> Don't Don't add Don't add commentary. >> Okay. Oh, sorry. I thought this was a. podcast with my name on it.

[laughter]. >> We don't need your audio editions. [laughter]. on. >> talk on this podcast. Okay. >> I do. I And I I think I would [laughter]. It's not that I blacked out. It's that I. was loopy dupy. You went into a fugue. state. >> Then I went into like, "Hey man, I'm I'm. like limber and loose and chill and. we're competing against each other and. you're a little and I was like. just talking.".

>> Okay, so now. >> that's what we do. >> You know what? Now I think Eduardo's. looking at you and he's like, "Game. recognizes game." You two. >> That's true. You probably incepted it IN. MY MIND. >> NOW I know where I got it from. >> Yeah, there's a little virus going. around. [laughter]. >> Well, uh, you know what? I I I there's. nothing I can say other than I probably. had it. >> We solved a lot here. We solved that you. did indeed call him a little and. you are indeed a little and we we. did it. >> Yeah. Yeah, we did. We solved a lot of.

problems here and I think uh everyone. listening can rest easy. >> Yeah. And I drank too much. I don't even. remember who won. [laughter]. >> I don't even remember who won that game. Hard to remember. >> I think you won Sona. >> Yeah, sure. Sure you did. Well, uh, we. have we have a wonderful show today and. I think we should begin. >> Okay. [laughter]. My guest today is a comedian, an actor. who's late. What's so funny to you? [laughter]. >> I feel like sometimes you in your mind. you're like, is this an intro or are we.

ending the episode for [laughter] sure? >> I don't know. >> My guest today is a comedian and an. actor whose latest comedy special, Tea. and Scotch, is available to stream on. YouTube. Uh, this gentleman is one of my. all-time favorite people. I love it when. he pops in. Pat Oswald, welcome. >> I'm in that I'm in I'm on that one of. those uh uh promo death marches for my. new special. And and listen, I I I'm I'm. flattered that anyone wants to talk to.

me, but there is nice to get to. occasionally do a show like this where. we're clearly just bullshitting and. there isn't that like it's coming out. here and push it, push it, push it. We're just This interview I'll be amazed. if we even mention the special. >> Yes, >> we're going to wander around everywhere. >> We will, but it'll be a miracle when it. happens. >> It will be. It It'll be like a It'll be. like a little Easter egg that pops up. like, "Oh, oh, that's right. We're doing. it. [laughter]. >> There's a reason he came by.". >> But on the way, we'll somehow mention. Marty Allen and the [laughter] the. Treaty of Gent. It It'll be the most.

I can't believe I said it. Oh god. Oh. god. That's how all kids uh who. [laughter] are like 14 and 15, all 14, 15 year old girls know me as the guy. that talks about the Treaty of Gent. It's [laughter] their favorite topic. >> at the food court. >> Yeah. At the. [laughter]. >> They're all eating Swedish fish and. gummies and. >> uh. >> they know you as the man to stay away. from. at the mall. >> cuz I talk about the treat again. Um.

>> Oh, he's going to gonna quiz us again. It's so funny you bring up this uh the. media death march which most people. aren't aware of because in this siloed. world they come across the thing that. they like and oh great you know patents. on but they don't know that in order to. reach a number of people to watch your. special they need you had to do 107 of. these. I swear to God, this is a thing. that was said to me maybe 75 times on. the old late night show and and shows. after that. But over like a 28-year.

career of doing late night television, >> many times, much more than you'd think, people said to me, >> "Oh my god, I've been doing so much. press, but this is the LAST STOP." AND. [laughter] THEY WOULD say that without. any sense that it's insulting. Yeah. Like I did everything and then you know. we all know. >> that the very end. >> if there's time [laughter] if there's. time you do the Conan O'Brien thing. >> Oh Jesus.

>> I swear to God they said that so many. times and I would like look out at my at. my twoot CAMERA AND GO WHY why that's. being broadcast. Yeah, [laughter]. people. >> Here's one of those things like when I. do um uh double threat with Tom Shopping. and Julie Clauser. Oh, this is the. dessert in the middle of all of the boom. boom because we were talking before we. went on when you're promoting things. now. It is you are doing a million. It. isn't even talk shows anymore. It is. stunts. You just you have stunts lined.

up all day. You're going to go on this. thing. You're going to both be at a at a. at a salmon hatchery [laughter] and um. and you're going to be following you're. going to be, you know, squeezing the. thing to get the whatever the row. Yeah. The row out and then you'll be talking. about it's called All in a R row with uh. with Mike Row and [laughter] and listen, it's it 800 billion viewers. They love. watching celebrities squeezing out. salmon. We were we were talking about. this because I [laughter] did this I was.

telling you I did this movie uh with. Rose Burn last year and they said you. know now I've never I don't do movies. and so I was new to all of this and it. used to be oh to promote your movie. you'd go on maybe one maybe two late. night shows. This is back in the day. It's all changed seismically since then. Yes. >> So the next thing I know seismically is. a good way to put it. Yes. I am talking. to uh a young woman's interviewing us. while Rose and I are fingerpainting.

[laughter]. >> and and then that would be over and. they'd say, "Get rid of the. fingerpaints. GET RID OF THE. FINGERPRINTS." [laughter]. And then they'd bring in a little blonde. Austrian boy named Gutair and he the his. bit is you both have to put on Flemish. armor while Gutair throws ping pongs at. you, ping pong balls, and they have. little questions and you have to catch. them and then answer the questions you. catch. and 900 billion views. And you do. this. And it's one thing for me to do it. cuz people are used to me being. humiliated all the time. But Dame Judy.

Dench, right, >> has to be lowered into a giant toilet. [laughter] filled with hot caramel and. then the person asks her questions about. her career [laughter]. >> and it's called, you know, housing. >> Yes, exactly. We're pro [laughter]. promoting the movie The Queen. And what. better way to do it than on Royal Flush. Yeah, that's where we [laughter]. >> But but okay, here's what's even weirder. though. >> You're in a movie called If I Had Legs, I'd kick you, which is a very like kind.

of s It has funny parts to it, but it's. a drama. It's a very dark drama, and. you're doing fingerpainting. So that's. like having William Defoe and Charlie. Sheen like doing um playing Ganipkanop. going see Platoon. [laughter] Um it's a. really dark movie about Oh. Oh, you got. >> the loss of America's innocence. >> MAN'S INHUMANITY TO MAN. GOT IT. MY. HIPPO BEAT YOUR HIPPO. [laughter]. >> I guess I was hungrier. Will.

>> no it is. It is what's become. And so. here's another thing. [laughter]. >> I'm uh I'm going to be I'm in Toy Story. 5. It's coming out in in in June. Now, you did Ratatouille and it was probably. long enough ago that there was some some. of this, but now it's gone haywire. And. already I've done things where I'm. [laughter] they'll say, "Now they don't. even trust us to know the context. They. don't even trust the comic or the. performer to know the context." So,

they'll say, "Just say rope a dope. squidly d." And you go, "Uh, rope a dope. squidly d." And they say now say rope. dope squiddly d hello Brazil and then. they get all these things out of context. and you do it and they say trust us it. all fits into a bigger thing because you. know Tom Hanks has done it and Tim. Allen's done it and you know Joan. Cusack's done it and when it all fits. together and is shown around the world. to 900 billion people it's really funny. and I'm like how old are you? >> I'm 21. [laughter] I'm in charge of all Disney,

Hulu, Pixar, and so it's amazing. >> 21 and the success of this movie hinges. on me getting to these outlets, all. these online outlets, or you're screwed. if you don't have me. Yeah, it's. >> it's just fascinating to me how this is. what it is. And I'm a big believer in. you don't don't I'm not complaining. about it. I'm marveling that that it. changed that it just all changed and now. it's this and I'm an old white guy who's. like, "Wow, look what's happening." You.

know, just losing my relevance fast. But. I'm just enjoying all the changes. Yes. And I'm enjoying and I'm I'm very. anxious to see who is going to do the. next great like producers Doctor Strange. love style satire on this moment like. what how crazy this is. >> But but it's going to be hard. I I'm in. a movie called The Goat and uh it's a. delightful animated movie and um so to. promote it uh we a bunch of the actors. we all went and did goat yoga. They.

filmed us doing goat yoga. So there were. there was a goat on my back. >> and it was I don't want to get graphic. but it was spraying goat herbs. [laughter]. and apparently. >> by the way not graphic at all. Well, yeah. Um, I [laughter] lit I literally. just said I don't want to be graphic. spraying. And by the way, what I found. on your back. >> Well, goat turds come out like pellets. These were these little pellets coming. out. >> It's a giant Pez dispenser. >> It is. [laughter]. >> But as I'm doing this, we we they went, "Okay, cut." And they're doing this, but.

I'm still have a goat on my back. And. it's it stopped spraying for a second. And then somebody was on the front and. went, "Oh man, we just went to war with. Iran." And [laughter] then the goat. started spraying pellets again. And I'm. just like, SO WHERE WAS WHERE WAS. HOLLYWOOD when the war was declared? And. they [laughter] just cut to me like. GOAT. YEAH. [laughter]. >> WELL, PATTON OSWALT was holding on the. Ford America doing his part FOR OUR BOYS. OVERSEAS. >> I JUST love answers the call.

[laughter]. >> But I'm telling you, >> you're a regular capra. >> But you know [laughter] what? You can't. think of something. You no, you can't. think of anything that's weirder or. funnier as a comedian to parody this. than what's really happening than what. you're doing. >> You with a goat on your back as it. shoots pellets out its ass was a real. thing and that's what one, you know, and. and I accept it's go eat hot wings, you. know, with Sean, go eat chicken on a.

chicken shop date. Um, and those their. shows are really funny. The interviewers. are great. I love it all. But it's. fascinating that those shows now. >> um you know people talk about late night. TV and what's happening to it and I. think well obviously there's a political. component to it and there's all kinds of. stuff going on all kinds of factors but. >> um none of us can comp no late night. show can compete with these shows that. cost $2 to make. >> and they're watched by you know hundreds.

of millions of people all around the. country. It's kind of stunning. I. somebody uh I remember I did a a late. night talk show. I won't say which one, but they basically said um no one's. actually watching this show. We hope. that one of our clips goes viral. tomorrow. That's where we get our. viewers. That's where the promo happens, which is why there are so many stunts. and craziness going on. They want the. viral moments and there and no one has. the patience. Now, I just rewatched the. there's that Dick Cavitt episode where. they're remember they're promoting.

husbands. So, it's Peter Faulk, Ben. Gazara, and John Casvetes come out and. they are so tanked [laughter] and the. and it is it's like a better movie than. the movie they're promoting is. [laughter] them drunk and and Ben Gazara. takes his shoes off at one point and. Casvetes falls asleep and it like it's. such an event and now that would have to. be cut up into little. >> seven-second things. You wouldn't you. wouldn't watch the whole event anymore. >> Yeah. No, I mean it reminds you of the. way things have changed that, you know,

um that uh Dick Cavitt could, you know, uh could have um James Baldwin on and. they could talk about uh the state of. being black in America for like 35. minutes with one of the most celebrated. authors of all time. And it's, you know, um but now they would say, uh, you know, that's great, Mr. Baldwin. We want to. talk about that. But first, you have to.

hold this exploding pig. >> Um, we've stuffed a lot of Starburst. into it and they're time to go off in 5. minutes. And then when it blows, you. have to catch as many in your mouth as. you can. But one raspberry and you get a. goooo point, [laughter] which means you. have to sit on the bon bon throne. You. know, >> watch all of the things that you're. describing right now. >> I would watch everything you're. describing. >> Mr. Bowwin, that was a really incisive. take on the white liberal. Try the next. hot sauce. See [laughter] right there? Yeah. >> Are you feeling it yet? Is that the. second one?

>> He's so busy screaming, eating the hot. sauces, and at the very end, they just. have to jam in. And remember, racism may. be endemic in our society. [laughter]. ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL THE time we have. >> Let the record show he [laughter] the. seventh sauce was the one that got him. rough. >> Father's Day is coming up very fast. Hint hint. >> June 21st. >> We're not your children. >> My children are not getting me anything. So, It's up to you guys to get me. Father's Day. They have never bought. into Father's Day, but you guys are.

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I'm reminded that you have this insane. knowledge of history and also movies, pop culture and um all I will say is. that there's a thread around that that. you are part of and a bunch of other. really sharp, really funny people. Uh, and I rarely contribute because I have a. knowledge of these things, but I can't. keep up with you guys. I feel like. someone who's got a singleshot daringer. and you all have these very. sophisticated gas powered Russian.

machine guns [laughter] firing away. Um, and I'll just. >> and a combinate you the word insane a. combination of genuine knowledge of. history and then the most useless. showbiz trivia you've ever heard. >> in equal amounts. And this is one I I. want to bring up cuz we might as well go. for it. There's this obsession that you. and your cohorts have and I think I have. it a little bit too but not as much as. you guys with. >> there was everyone knows uh Jerry Lewis. and Dean Martin Lewis and Martin. And.

then at some point it was decided there. should be. >> it was guess a ripoff or something but. it was these two guys who were supposed. to maybe like okay Lewis and Martin are. kind of winding down so we've it's a. shameless it's two guys one is Sammy. Petrillo the other is Duke Mitchell. >> and and it's not it's Martin and Lewis. but it's not not Martin and Lewis and. it's kind of horrifying. >> like when they replace the Duke brothers. I mean the Duke brothers that is And by.

the way, I'm not saying this to be junk. That was subtle compared to what we're. talking about. Yeah. And like this. mutant amplified version of what Martin. and Lewis were. They were in Quebec, Sammy Petrillo and Duke Mitchell. And. Sammy Petrillo was doing. Jerry Lewis like almost like it's body. horror like like it looked like his. [laughter] face was going to come apart. It's so unsettling. >> It's a real thing. And then they they do. these movies like Sammy Petrillo and. Duke Mitchell meet. They did one movie. Uh-huh. >> They only did one called Bella Losce.

meets a Brooklyn Gorilla. >> Uh-huh. [laughter]. >> There's no Brooklyn gorilla in the. movie. There's I mean, a guy get Duke. gets turned into a gorilla. I can't. believe I just tried to qualify that. I. just said Duke gets turned into a. gorilla, as you know. >> So, there is a gorilla. >> It's It's Bagosi at the height of his. morphine addiction. It's these two. Um, >> and that goes on the poster, too. [laughter] At the height of his morphine. addiction. You've never seen him like. this before. Goof to his eyeballs. Um, [laughter]. >> well, yeah, we all went, we all.

organized a night to go see it at the. New Beverly, uh, recently. >> I think I was doing a travel show. I. would have gone to that. I was out of. town, but I, you know, I check in on. this thread cuz you guys are going all. the time. I mean, you guys are. chattering away at 4:00 a.m. and. occasionally, uh, you know, when I'm up. in the night to apply a cream or an. ointment, >> [laughter]. >> um, I'll I'll check in with you guys and. it's like, oh my god, there it is. But. you guys have this endless fascination. with this mutant version of Jerry Lewis, which is a funny sentence because you.

don't need a mutant version of Jerry. Leone. And but they found one. >> They found one and. >> Oh my god, it's in the boy. They both. look like them in a bizarro way. >> Yes. Exactly. Yeah. >> But you can see. >> and it's it like. >> you can tell how angry Bailey Lagosi is. being in this movie. [laughter] Like he. is openly snapping at Sammy Petrillo. And unlike the Jerry Lewis movies where. when Jerry's doing his stuff, people are. kind of laughing or or enjoying it, all. the other characters in this movie are. openly hostile. It's like, "SHUT UP.

STOP." LIKE, THEY'RE JUST YELLING at. him. >> You're not Martin and Lewis. >> No, stop this. And And then they I I. listen Let me tell you what the. >> Listen, I like I [laughter] like how you. just said, "Listen, like this marriage. is over." No, no, no. I want to show you. the essence of this thread. One night, uh, we for some reason we started all, uh, texting and emailing back and forth. about Subie Sales and Super Sales. Yeah. >> And then you chimed in and it was, "It.

is 3:00 a.m. I'm in a tent in Africa. This is the one hour that I get Wi-Fi. and you have me looking up soupy sales. [laughter] videos on YouTube." Like, you're literally in the cradle. He goes, "I'm in the cradle of civilization and. you idiot. I'm watching soupy [laughter]. sales videos on YouTube. >> You know what's amazing is you guys draw. me in. Oh yeah. You know, and you were. talking about the Rich Brothers. >> That was. >> That might That might have been it. I. think it was the Rich Brothers. >> The Rich Brothers who were sort of a.

version uh you know they. >> again Mutant Marks Brothers. >> Mutant Marks Brothers. And you were. talking about one of the Ritz brothers. and I I am in Ghana and I'm shooting a. travel show and I'm shooting a a a a. travel show and I can't sleep and it's. 3:00 in the morning and my phone goes. I'm like what the hell? Maybe it's Liza. contacting me to say that our house was. just stolen and I look at it and. [laughter] you guys are all talking. about Harry Ritz and what Harry Ritz he.

was the funny one. I wanted him to leave. his brothers. He wouldn't do it. >> He wouldn't do it. He was loyal, but. then he made this movie late in his. career. And I don't know, it's kind of. embarrassing. And I'm suddenly looking. at clips of it. And then I come in to. Harry Ritz's defense [laughter]. >> and I'm like click click click click. click click click click and yeah, you're. again I am in the cradle of civilization. in a tent. >> I should be on the belt. [laughter]. >> You should be like connected to the. Here's here's what made me laugh so. hard. I've I've never mentioned this to.

you. I for when you when you said I'm in. a tent in Ghana and I'm looking at Rich. Brothers videos on YouTube, I just. picture like there's this um like a like. a cheetah or something like in the bush. like looking over and there's this all. silent tent and suddenly this little. light goes on in the tent. You hear Mr. Bon [laughter]. one day and like hear like you just. these little rich brother songs. [laughter]. like the is that weirdo doing? We're just trying to get away from it.

But that happened at one point. There's. a little glowing went on in a tent and. that was Conan because of us. >> Oh my god. >> I [laughter] just love But I just I I. had to bring that up because if you if. you guys want to amuse yourselves uh. Sammy Petrillo, Duke Mitchell are and. also there was this feel there was this. almost sense I remember reading an. interview with Jerry Lewis where he he. blessed these guys. He was like I. blessed them at first. He blessed them. because he said, "Well, Someone's got to keep it going because.

we're almost, you know, we're winding it. down and and I want to I'm tired and so. I want someone to take over being Jerry. Lewis. And I thought that's not how it. works. We don't need someone else. Maybe. you should go [laughter] away for a. while. I just love the idea the that I. would say, you know what? Uh, I'm. stepping. I can't step down yet cuz I. haven't found someone else [laughter]. who can be that would have the funny. name and the hair and the, you know, the. the pitchy voice. And.

>> I haven't found someone who would. disconnect from the atmosphere of Africa. to watch [laughter] Soupy Sales getting. hit with a pie at 3:00 a.m. That and. I'll know that when I see it in his. eyes. I'll know it, but I haven't found. it yet. >> And then I can rest. Then I know then I. can retire to my ancestral mans and. write my memoirs when I find another. idiot to do this that I'm doing. But I think one of the reasons that. we're we are so obsessed with this stuff. is because you know showbiz is a is a.

very rough up and this is nothing new. but showbiz is very up and down and. there can be extremes of up and down and. some people they think the up will last. forever and it doesn't and you still. have to show up when you're not. necessarily doing what might be the most. glorious or looked at work. And this. past week with, you know, like Netflix. is a joke. I know a lot of people are. like, "Well, this guy's in an arena.". I'm like, "But you get to do. >> comedy. You still get to do it and you.

get to show up." Like Nicholas Cage has. made some bad movies, but he was never. bad in them. He showed up and did. something unique. And even with when you. watch Bella Losi meets a Brooklyn. gerilla, as pissed as Baila is with. Sammy Petrillo who's literally hanging. on him. And one time he openly yells at. him and it's clearly not in the script. He just IS LIKE, "GO CLOSE THE CAGES.". LIKE JUST SCREAMS at him, but he's still. showing up and doing the work. Like he's. And that always fuels me when I see.

that. That's why I'm obsessed with that. level of showbiz. >> You and I have several things in common. I believe. >> our. >> but I our height, [laughter]. >> our brute strength. >> Yeah. Our. >> um our Celtic blood. But you [laughter]. know, like one of the things that uh I. think you've made this point and I've. made this point uh which is that we. weren't class clowns. I was never a. class clown. And in fact, I never liked. the class clown. Not that I was jealous.

I just thought he's making too much. noise. It's and I was very quiet and. kind of shy about being funny. >> I was I wasn't the class clown, but I. was in the class clown click. In other. words, we we were the the comedy nerds, but we weren't the hey, it was the we. knew all the routines. We knew all the I. mean, but we like went deep when when. other kids. >> when other kids were like quoting Monty. Python, my group could quote Derek and. Clive and like we would always go for.

the even deeper stuff. >> Yeah. you know. Yeah. It was that that's. the kind of comedy we liked. >> And so you would you're not the kind of. person that would get up in front of. everyone else and do something when. you're in high school or grade school? >> I'd feel a little No. >> Yeah. >> Not quite. >> Yeah. So when you get into standup, did. you have to fight through a reluctance. to get up in front of people to in order. to do it? >> Yeah. I had to Well, it's weird. Um uh. for the first thing that I did was. because I was so reluctant to go up, I.

did this bigger version of myself to. hide the fact that I'm not comfortable. with myself being up here. So it was a. very much a stage persona and a stage. presence. And it took me like 6 years to. work through that. And it wasn't until I. moved to San Francisco um 4 years into. it and I started seeing comedians like. Brian Posain and Margaret Cho and Greg. Barren that and Greg Proos that were. actually themselves on stage rather than. hey I'm talking to you now you're going. on I got to get into my st they could.

literally be mid-sentence and go I'll be. right back and they would just go up and. talk and so now it doesn't really feel. like I'm nervous when I'm on stage. because I become so comfortable just. being up there and going this is what's. going on and here you And I I've also. got over the whole let me point out. what's stupid about the world and here's. my cool take now. My my point of view is. so much more listen to this idiotic. thing I did. You're not going to believe. this. Like like it's more insightful. that way. But it's weird. I had to get.

over that by first embracing that out of. nervousness and then I now I can just. kind of be myself. It takes years to. grind that out of you to the point where. you can go up and say, "I know who I am. You know who I am.". >> Yeah. That's one of the things on the. one hand, I'm so glad with a lot of the. new online media and and cell phones and. social media that people have way easier. access to there. The gatekeepers don't. quite have the power that they used to.

have. >> I don't think there are gatekeepers. >> that really there there's not really. anymore. But the one bad thing about it. is what you just talked about the years. that it takes for you to get through. that persona sometimes and become. yourself. A lot of people because. they're immediately filming themselves. as they start. They're not they don't. have those years in the wilderness that. people like my generation had where you. figure out who you are. And a lot of. people are getting stuck in a very early. persona that they're comfortable with. But as they grow and mature and evolve,

they're like, I don't want to do that. anymore. I want to do this thing. You. know, like I I just think of all of the. the the the rock stars that we know and. love now that what if they had been. stuck in their early personas forever? >> Well, I brought I example was if the. current world had existed in 1962. >> Yeah. >> Everyone would have been sick of the. Beatles before they even got to the Ed. Sullivan show. Yes. because they would. have seen I mean no matter where you are. in the world you have seen thousands of.

hours of videos them in the Cavern Club. and then British Beetle Mania they're. touring they're in the Netherlands. they're in Germany they're and then. they're coming to the Ed Sullivan show. yeah we know we know them and you know. what I [clears throat] think their best. work was their early work [laughter]. >> to us that was the big introduction. after they had been had their legendary. >> where did they come where where did this. come from. >> these haircuts yeah and so. >> and and we would have seen a version of. the Beatles and That's what how we would. have pegged them. They would have been. the ones in the German strip club in.

Hamburgg in the leather jackets lighting. condoms on fire and throwing them into. the audience and doing antics and being. crazy like that's the Beatles I know. And then by the time Brian Epste got a. hold of him, made them the ones that. became they're like I don't know. Put. the let beat you guys are goofballs. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We wouldn't have accepted it. >> No, I think that's that's uh that was a. it's weird to say but it was a luxury. Although now there seems to be a quiet. rebellion against that where there there. does seem to be whatever the generation. after Alpha, a lot of them seem to be.

like, "You don't need to film me yet. I'm we'll wait till I figure it out.". Which is what cuz they're learning from. the mistakes of the ones that came. before them. >> A lot of the influencers that are now. trapped in the. >> Oh god, I got to I got to mukbang again. That's what people are watching. [laughter] I got to eat 10 cans of baked. beans if I want to sell my new book. I. don't know. So anyway, my guest today is. Conan O'Brien. Conan, you got a new. [laughter] show coming out? >> Yeah. >> Conan, why you wearing a yaching cap?

>> Something I thought I tried in 1982, [laughter]. but I thought I should bring back out. again. You look like an idiot. Um, [laughter]. you know, one of the things that, uh, occurs to me with you is that you. there, uh, your fame and your success is. not wasted on you because you get to do. all these things that you're genuinely. passionate about. you get to dip into. these projects and these things, not. just standup, but there are so many.

different ways that you have taken your, you know, natural uh ingrained uh. obsessions and and then you get to jump. into you're in this Star Trek strange. new world. >> Yeah. >> And you're you're like this is I could. picture you if someone suggested this to. you when you were 11 or 12, you'd say. that's that's insane. That could never. happen. >> Right. And also the fact that I am in a. show that is being made by people that. grew up at the same time as me that.

loved Star Trek that that also went but. what if this thing h like everything. that you love you will always then but. then [clears throat] why don't they add. this aspect to it. So the fact that yeah. I'm playing a Vulcan but it's a Vulcan. who's obsessed with human culture and um. and. >> his name is Doug. >> His name is Doug. the Vulcan named Doug, which is my favorite thing. >> But his parents were obsessed, so they. gave him. It's the same way as like. people like hippies giving their kids. names, you know, like like American uh.

Indian names or, you know, first turn. into like star. Exactly. So, um why. wouldn't that happen in another culture? Why wouldn't they try to do that? And he. unlike Spock who has has kind of struck. this balance, he's so clumsy with it, >> but because he really loves it and. that's a really real thing. with an. artistic edge. >> with an artistic edge. >> I love that. >> Um, >> is art even logical? How can you be a. Vulcan who's like, well, that is I mean, I'm not it's I'm just curious how it all.

comes together. >> Uh, it comes together of I have to play. it of all of my the way that I usually. am passionate about something like a. movie or something. But what if I have. to I'm forced by my biology to always. filter it through this calm logic. And. what would that. >> feel like? So it's always just like kind. of bubbling underneath and you can see. him wanting to, you know, kind of pop up. a little bit and but he's like, "No, that's not that's not what Vulcans do. [laughter] That's I'm not capable of. doing that even though I'm feeling it.".

>> Does he wake and bake? Is he. >> He's [laughter]. constantly still very logical. >> I'm going to require a a couple of days. of bedrotting like there's [laughter]. you know like I don't really know what. what a Vulcan artist would do like that. Yeah. How would he I am not feeling this. which is strange because I should not be. ruled by my feelings and yet there is. not oh I never thought of it you know. what I'm doing some more episodes so. maybe they'll they'll about that exactly. >> you know it's it's a possibility I'm.

there's another obsession I've had and. my uh headwriter Mike Sweeney has it as. well we're both obsessed with uh the. show that ran pretty much at the same. time as Star Trek called Lost in Space. >> Lost in Space is insane. And when you. when you watch Star Trek, >> it is it looks like the most the highest. art possible when you compare it to Lost. in Space and there are these clips uh on. that you can watch on YouTube of and and.

the character to keep your eye on is Dr. Smith, Dr. Zachary for many reasons. >> For many reasons. He's played by. Jonathan Harris who doesn't just chew. scenery. He inhales it into his lungs. and and then shits it out. It is. amazing. >> Truly incredible. >> And the story lines, I think everyone. was on acid who wrote this TV show, but. my the other day I happened on one where. >> an alien ray turns Dr. Smith into a. hippie and [laughter] he's got long. hippie hair and he's dancing and of.

course, you know, you're like and and. there there's a crazy wacky cuz there. the clearly the show is trying to get. down with the scene. Yeah. It's it's. it's a bunch of 51-year-old writers. probably at Renmar or uh Warner Brothers. like see this in the paper. Can we work. this into the work this in an episode? The hippie thing. Yeah. How? But. [laughter] how would there be hippies in. space? I just array. Just with a ray. >> No, everything's just array. Yeah. >> And then [laughter]. and then they would they would clearly.

to come up with ideas go to the prop. shop at Warner Brothers or wherever and. they'd say, "Hey, I just found a giant. Cleopatra, you know, uniform." Okay. Um. there's a big puff of smoke and a. Cleopatra alien shows up and she has a. ray that turns them all into mummies. Like they just worked backwards from the. costumes that were available. >> What's available? >> Yeah. Somebody pointed out there's a. there's an episode of The Outer Limits.

uh that is was the basis of the movie. The Terminator. It's written by Harlon. Ellison called Soldier. And there's a. helmet that this future soldier wears in. his future soldier battles. And that. helmet is the helmet that Robin Williams. wears in the opening episode of Moram. Mindi when he comes to Earth. Same. Same. one. But they were just like we. like Gary Marshall. He should wear some. kind of. >> outer space. What's Can we use this? like they're just in the [laughter] like. you said they're in the warehouse but. the that's just alien thing. >> once like the famous guy in Empire.

Strikes Back evacuating Cloud City is. carrying the space uh equipment but it's. actually an ice cream. >> maker [laughter]. you can hear it churning away. >> and they've given him a name and a whole. backstory they've they've written him. into. >> the thing he's a guy and and that ice. cream was an ice cream maker. >> someone found out. >> they if you look at it someone matched. it with at the time it was they just. clearly just spray painted it can go. here. >> Yeah. >> But then they worked that prop into uh.

the first season of The Mandalorian. It's a thing for transporting like. >> biological matter. So they had to work. that into the Yeah. So that's where they. worked that. You could I mean we live in. this world that's so. >> I mean you know people decry oh the. internet era and [laughter] are we. losing our humanity like yeah but. >> think of the connections you can make. You could do an amazing documentary. where you someone could make an amazing. documentary where they track a prop. that's made in the 1950s for like a for.

like a like a goofy movie, but then it. shows up here, but then it shows up. there because. >> people didn't throw stuff away. >> And it went back into the prop room. And. um I've been in some of the prop. warehouses. There's stuff like, oh, if. you shut shoot this from a different. angle, this could work as this. Yeah. But all those there's [clears throat] a. uh Tom Sharpling who I mentioned earlier. does the best show does. >> hilarious so funny. He did this thing I. I I think about it like once a week.

>> and I didn't know this till he pointed. out. You know the show The Monsters. >> Yeah, of course. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> There's 73 episodes of that show. Do you. know how many seasons they ran? >> Two. >> Two. >> Two. >> And they So they were cranking that. thing out and Tom was like, "This is a. writing session on the monsters. Have we. put Herman in a like a baby bonnet. holding a rattle yet? [laughter] Have. we? All right, write that in. I'm going. to go to Muso and Frank's, have four. martinis and a steak and then drunk.

drive home. I'll see you tomorrow. Like. [laughter] that is how those shows were. What do we have? What can we use? Yeah, we we got to do 38 of these. >> But also, no one was thinking about. reruns. No, >> no one was thinking about this being a. body of work, >> boxed set. >> or box set. No one's thinking [laughter]. about that. Everyone's thinking, "Get. this thing done, get it out, and then. let's do another one. Let's get our. check, and then we'll go to Mouso and. Franks and drink at 1:00 in the. afternoon." Oh, and there's Jack Webb at. the next table, [laughter] and he's.

completely smashed. >> Yeah, he he's six martinis ahead. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> Um, but you look at these shows and you. just see they weren't afraid to use all. the same plots. N. >> there's an old. >> same actors. Yeah. Over and over. >> and and the same the the plots over and. over and over again. same actors within. the same show, different characters all. the time. >> Yeah. And one thing they did was. [laughter] I don't know how many times. when I was a kid growing up watching. different TV sitcoms and reruns. I'd see. the two people have a fight. So it's. like the Skipper and Gilligan on.

Gilligan's Island have an argument. So. they paint a line down the middle of the. of the hut and then it's you stay on. your side, I'll stay on mine, but your. side has the has the door. then you'll. have to use the window, you know, but. your side, my side has the food. Well, then you could, you know, it's and and. then you'd watch the monsters and and. grandpa and Herman have a fight and they. paint a line down the middle of the room. and then you watch the monkeys and they. do it and you're just like, no one had. any shame about number 17. Let's crank.

it up for this week. >> Yeah, let's do a number nine on them. We. got to get Listen, I got to get my. martinis. It's it's 12:30. [laughter]. >> And it always was a white line, too. that even down to that detail. And you. know, yeah, >> that that kind of stuff is and also they. they didn't understand well they didn't. cuz no one could predict it. >> YouTube freeze frame, you know, being. able to capture little moments were. like, "Oh my god, look at this in the. background." You know, there there's an. episode of that that show, The Naked. City. Yes. Yeah.

>> Now it's so valuable because a. casually filmed and also it's all the. first roles of people like Dustin. Hoffman and Robert Duval and they're all. in this it's it's like day players. >> Um but there's a there's an episode with. Burgess Meredith where he plays a a. Greenwich Village poet who wakes up. drunk and there's been a murder and he. doesn't know. Um and he stops at a news. stand to look at the paper like what day. is it? And behind him on the news stand. is.

>> copies of Amazing Fantasy number 15, which is the first appearance of. Spider-Man. Wow. Just hanging there. >> and anyone person just put those up. >> Yeah. Or they went to that news, can we. just film here? Fine. Done. And then just walked and and you. know when the the the comics came the. next week, guy was like, well, these. didn't sell. Boom. >> Like that's like that's millions of. dollars of props just hanging there in. the background. It's. >> You know what I love? you just brought. up something which is no one used to. think there would ever be freeze frame. available. So they and and more in line.

with what we were saying which is people. were just cranking the stuff out and. moving on. No one ever thought that. there'd be whole cults of people that. love to hate watch and then have the. power of freeze frame. So recently, I. think uh um Matt O'Brien and I or. Sweeney and I were watching one of the. Deathwish movies with Charles Bronson, and there's a scene where Charles. Bronson wants to kill these guys in a. restaurant, and it's the most insane.

plot. He comes in pretending to be a. wine salesman. He takes out. >> I'm not kidding. He takes out, >> you know, he should just go in there. with [laughter] a gun and kill the. people who are sitting. >> That's what he does in every other. scene. No, this one. He comes in, pretends to be a wine wine salesman, and. he's he goes over to their table and. says, "Hey, I got this wine here. You. might like it. It's a good wine." And. they're like, "Huh? Well, we're okay.". He goes, "It's spoken like a true wine.". And he goes, [laughter] "Hey, it's red. You ever see red wine? >> You ever see red? Bet you didn't think. that.

>> See something new. [laughter] It's wet. and it's red and it's wet on your mouth. You can sip it." and he um [laughter] he. says he I think he opens the bottle and. he sets it down in front of them and. then he gets real nervous and a guy says. who's sitting at the table with the. other mob figure says, "Hey, don't I. know you?" And he goes, "I don't think. so. I got to go." And he's trying to get. away because clearly something's up with. this bottle of wine. And the guy goes, "I think I know you." And um and then. [laughter] Charles Bronson squirms away.

and basically he runs off and runs into. the kitchen of the restaurant, covers. his ears like Wy Coyote. You cut back to. the table, there's a huge explosion. Freeze frame. You have freeze frame now. So what they did was [laughter]. >> Yay. They. >> Here we go. >> They cut to Charles Bronson running away. and going to the kitchen, putting his. hands over his ears. They cut back to. the table. They replace the mobsters. with mannequins. >> Oh boy. >> And put them in the same suits. It looks. terrible. And it's just two frames, but.

you can freeze on it. And suddenly these. guys are mannequins. And then I guess. they tried a real explosion, but it. didn't work. So they just did one of. those things where they made smoke go in. front of the the film in some awful way. So you So you see these guys freeze, right? [laughter] And then a cloud and. you're like they were just trying to get. through the day [laughter] and I'm. watching it over and over. You have it. over and over and over again and I'm. just overjoyed. Do you want to see the. whole clip or just the mannequins?

>> I want to see it all. I can edit it. down. Let's see. >> Yeah, edit it down. Go ahead. Let it. roll. Let's have some fun. >> Watch the whole to the beginning. To the. beginning. >> By the way, when they put headphones on. >> what a minute. Oh, when they rigged this. explosion, uh Charles had already left. >> Yeah. Like [laughter] Mr. Bronson's. already left. Just do this. He's not. here anymore. >> He starts by convincing him that he's. really he's got a good wine. >> This is late Deathwish. You can tell by. his costume, too. >> Yeah, >> exactly. >> I like this guy. >> Yeah. Scott Glenn's younger brother.

>> Yeah. >> And Jim Vney. >> Yeah. >> Not bad. [snorts]. >> Let's see what your customers [music]. say. >> Uh, no. I don't think that's a good. idea. They'll love it. >> Uh, I'm just going to randomly pour. liquor for you. I'm a guy off the. street. [laughter]. >> Your lucky day today. Bottle of wine on. the house. >> Hey, not bad. >> Hey, don't I know you from some place? >> I don't think so. >> Is that Danny Trey? >> Hey, it's Danny Tra. >> Wow. >> I know your face. Did you ever live in.

San Francisco? >> I'm from Idaho. >> I'm thinking. >> I got a brother in Idaho. >> What city? >> I'm from Idaho. >> I'm thinking of opening up a donut. >> I know you. I never [laughter]. look. >> Look. >> Oh, wait. You got to go back and freeze. >> Oh [laughter] my god. >> Go back and freeze. OKAY. [screaming]. >> WOW. >> LOOKS LIKE [laughter] A RIDE AT KNOTS. BERRY FARM. >> Oh my god. >> Isn't that great?

>> Why? WHY? YOU KNOW, THE SUNGLASSES guy's. not so bad, but the Danny Tjo guy. [laughter]. >> Danny Tjo, they did not. >> I mean, that is Isn't that one of the. great You want to put a mustache on this. Gregory Peek mannequin we [laughter]. have? It's close enough. I don't know. what to tell you. >> Look at the stains on the ceiling. >> Oh my god. No. [laughter] I just. >> I just But here's the thing. I always. say there's good and bad in everything. And when people decry this new era we're. in, I think of the joy.

>> that I have had on YouTube. >> being able to freeze frame. >> people just trying to get through the. day or they're making this TV show in. the 60s. They're doing the best they. can. They don't think anyone's ever. going to look at it. [laughter]. >> It'll air once. Who's going to watch it. again? Why would you? They're never. going to Wait a minute. Someone's going. to There's going to be a thing called. DVDs. They're going to collect every. episode and put it in a butt. That. doesn't make sense. Who would do that? >> It's going to be on a cloud that anyone. can [laughter] see at any time. And.

people are going to have radio shows. where they criticize it [laughter] over. and over and over again. >> Yeah. Yeah. People are going to have P. Hang on. A redheaded giant's going to. freeze frame [laughter] this. him. He's going to he's going to sit. with a hobbit and they're going to LAUGH. AT OUR WORK. That doesn't make sense. That'll never happen. You're you're in. you're in La La Land. We'll be right. back with more Redheaded Giant The. Hobbit. [laughter]. >> Have you got an ass? Then Duth Trading. Company is for you. I'm just reading.

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together all the promo materials and. went I was like this is my 11th. So. that's yeah that's uh and I mean at this. point now I'm not trying to think in. terms of I think that like uh posterity. reputation and cool are just traps that. get get in the way of you doing the work. you're supposed to be doing. It's other. people that that sort out your legacy. later do the work now%. >> and it but it took me a little while. I. I was getting in my own head about stuff. and now I'm just like, "No, I get to do. comedy and people want to come see me.

and I get to do venues that I really. love." And this is me at a very very. small club. I did a club uh it's in um. uh Madison called Comedy on uh Maine, Comedy on State a couple years ago. And. it was I hadn't done club in like years. and they're like, "Hey, I was getting. ready for do another special." They. went, "Why don't you do this little club. to get ready?" And the show was so. electric. the audience is right there. I. was like, "How do I shoot something in. this space small?" So, that's what I. did. I directed it. We set up the You.

can see the other cameras, the lights. Like, I wanted it to look raw. I wanted. it to be I I just And I I don't fault. anyone being in big theaters and arenas. That's fine. But there's some I just. don't it's like some rock and roll it. when it gets too gigantic it kind of. loses the. >> No, I've had the same thought many times. that that's why some music just sounds. amazing in a small club. >> It's why some food just I don't know. what it is but it tastes better when.

it's a small restaurant. >> A stand that you've grabbed and now. you're walking around like you're just. right there. >> Yeah. I had a small studio uh for the. late night show. 6A was a very small. studio and I remember seeing it for the. first time and thinking this is too. small. We need something bigger cuz we. got to do crazy ideas. We're going to. have a a Triumph the Comic Dog and we're. going to have you know uh you know all. these crazy characters and we're going. to do this big stuff. It turned out it. was such a blessing to have this small. space. >> Mhm. >> Um and I think that's something that's I.

now don't take for I don't take it for. granted. I think it's really good. So. something like this is even in that even. in that small space, >> you [clears throat] you feel you feel. that clock ticking till the next. commercial break. >> We can get at things that you can't get. at on a TV panel segment because there's. no clock ticking. We're going to talk. and talk and we'll cut out some of the. rough spots, but we're actually talking. and there's a whole different not you. It's what you always said about SCTV. It's the least needy sketch show ever.

done. And this format is not needy. And. doing a smaller club, there was so less. neediness about it because we're all. right here. I'm not like, "Oh god, I got. this big theater. I got to I got to make. this count. This is like we're doing a. few shows. This little club I can be. loose.". >> Yeah. >> And. >> what I'm learning, especially from I. don't know if you've seen Josh Johnson, right? Incredible. >> The turnover now is so much quicker. I. can shoot this stuff, get it up on I'm.

on a new platform called 800 lb uh. gorilla gorilla gorilla uh comedy plus. >> and um and get it up on YouTube so much. quicker and be so much more immediate. >> And so that feels like oh one less. gatekeeper, >> you know, now I can just and I can set. up the next one. Like once this comes. out June 9th, I'll never do that. material again. I'm working on the new. stuff and it just keeps me working and. there's just so much less pressure.

>> It just feels so much better. >> You know, the uh and the themes you're. exploring, are they new themes? >> Well, there is there anything new in. this that that I mean, obviously your. stuff is always. >> it's always fresh material, but is there. a theme that has surprised you that's. come along at this stage in your life? Yeah, the thing that has surprised me is. I'm becoming way more and that I was. kind of uh touching on this a little bit. in the last special uh We all scream too. is that I'm becoming way more. comfortable with being overwhelmed and. not having an answer to things.

>> And I think that comes with I'm a big. believer in you got to know when it's. time to let the next generation kind of. come up and maybe they have the answers. that you don't. I think a lot of people. white knuckle their youth and they white. knuckle their authority and you got to. go and you can still I'm going to do. comedy forever. I love doing standup, but there will be this embracing of this. is beyond me at the like I do a whole. thing about AI and the whole point of. the bit is at one point I'm like I don't. have an ending to this because this is.

such a massive subject. But that is so. much more honest that I'm overwhelmed by. the horror of this. And I think that's a. thing that a lot of comedians are. nervous to embrace is that you will. eventually come to a point where you're. like, I don't know what this is. I don't. know what is happening. This is, you. know, I I did my part. You guys got to. do your part. I'm going to talk about. the weirdness now off to the sides. When. someone tells me they're not sure,

>> I am immediately attracted to them. I. like them and I trust them. When someone. tells me I know exactly what's going to. happen, uh, and I know all things, I um. I I want nothing to do with them. And. there's a kind of comedy. >> that I never been a big fan of, which is. I know and you don't. >> Let me tell you how it is. >> Yeah. >> I'm going to I'm here to tell you how it. is. >> I'm here to tell you how it is. And then. I've always liked people that admit that. they're down in the muck with me. I'm in.

the muck. We're all in the muck. >> Yeah. find a help me find a way out. here. It's what we talked about the last. time I was on the show that your your. your term wisdom rock. >> Yeah, >> you hate wisdom rock. It's that let me. take my hand. No, you're 20. And and. there's a lot of that now in um standup. I think Mark Marin said there's some. comedians doing comedy. There's some. comedians holding rallies. Yes. >> And uh and that was such a Yes. That's. kind of what's going on. and we need to. get back to the confidence of someone.

that can get up there and go, I have no. idea. I don't know what is going on. Um. maybe we will get to that. But that's. that's where I am. And I'm so much more. comfortable being. >> Yeah. >> in that. And and also being able to look. back at some of my earlier stuff where I. was doing the tell you guys how it is. Oh, you're 23. That's why you're saying. that because you know which is a. >> that's also kind of real wisdom is when. you're like let me tell you what an. idiot I was used to say this kind of.

stuff. Yeah. >> If you can laugh at yourself at. [clears throat] that period. >> Yeah. So, there's a lot of that and. there's a lot of just very raw um. there's there's a lot of uh. my my daughter it's it's it's the the. relationship who's a teenager and so now. it's becoming more about oh she's. actually right about this and I'm not. and maybe I need to like okay you you. figure this out. um that it's also an an. interesting place to get to where where.

it used to be like, "Oh, here's this. goofy thing that my daughter did and we. got to help guide her." Now it's like, "Oh, my daughter just explained this. thing to me that I didn't understand and. just completely laid it out for me." So, that's really interesting. >> The roles have shifted. >> How old are your um. >> They're in their late 40s. >> Oh, wow. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah. So, my. daughter I had my daughter when I was. nine. [laughter]. Uh, no. I have a daughter who's 22 and a. son who's 20. And but you know what? They've been smarter than me for so.

long. And you will attest to that. >> Absolutely. >> They were when they were a kid, little. kids, and would come by the office. >> Yeah. >> They were not having my. >> Anything technology related, we'd just. be like, "Ask Becket." This was when he. was like 6 years old. >> I The times that I've handed my phone or. iPad over to Alice and go, "Can. me. make it [laughter] do the thing. make. the screen go away. >> I've handed that thing to her. Oh boy. Yeah. >> Well, uh, Tea and Scotch is coming out.

It's going to be on, uh, YouTube. >> June 9th. And I'm really looking forward. to it. Thanks. >> You're always uh, funny and, uh, delightful. I just I'm going to end with. this. You were on my TV show 44 times. >> Oh my god. >> I thought I I I looked that up today. Um. and even the the the computer was upset. >> and on this [laughter] podcast that's. too many as many as anybody right on. this podcast. >> I think you've been this is the fourth. time. So yeah,

>> but it's always. >> it's always funny like when you were on. the show on TBS as long as I've been. working for when we knew you were coming. on we knew we were going to laugh and. that it was going to be just a really. good. >> well. When I came on to this show, I. knew that yes, we would do pre-in, but. it was always like it'll turn into just. us going, "Oh man, this thing. >> and that's going to be better than any. that's going to be better than anything. That's it's the stuff that you know, >> it was dessert." It was like, "Oh, I can. relax a little bit.". >> Yeah. Yeah. So that I was always very. And I know I speak for a lot of.

comedians who were like, "Oh, when. you're on coning, you're just you're. actually talking with someone else. that's understands comedy and is not. looking for a got to get a punch line. every 10 seconds. It's. >> hey, we can just let's chill. let's. talk. And it was and it always ended up. being way more funny because of that. >> Oh, good. Well, listen, it's it's a a. mitzvah, a blessing. Anytime you you. come by, please come back. >> for anything and everything. >> My daughter and her friends watch old. Conan clips, the NBC show. >> like they're just freeze frame it.

[laughter]. >> Look, Conan's a mannequin just before. >> You didn't even try to hide that stuff, [laughter] though. >> No, you embrace I would embrace it. You. embrace it the same way that like SCTV. were like, "We don't have any money. Look at this.". >> But I just love the way that they will. react to like whenever um they when I. showed her Arty Kendall, the singing. ghost and her whole thing was like. >> he just makes it worse and worse. Like. every time he's like, "Well, let me do. this one." And then it's 10 times wor.

like they just love that it just. >> Brian Stack is a kuner ghost who would. come on the show and he was a ghost and. then he would sing because he died in. the 30s. He would sing songs that were. sexist, racist, you know, all this. stuff, >> but also that he thinks are like, "You're welcome. Here's a nice little. song." And [laughter] it's always the. worst thing you've ever like, "Oh, I got. a little I got a little something about. the Irish. Oh, the Irish love to. [laughter] the Irish love to drink." And. all this stuff that's not appropriate. anymore. And then I I remember I think. in one episode I said, "I'm surprised.

people stood for this." And he went, "Well, they didn't. I was killed by a. mob." [laughter]. >> You go, "I'm I'm sorry. I'm watching.". She goes, "I'm surprised you weren't. murdered." He goes, "I was murdered. Bunch of women threw me down a well.". And then you're like, "Well, good." He. goes, "Hey, you have a hot Irish temper. I wrote a little song about the. [laughter] Irish." And then it's the. worst thing you've ever and and also. sketch. I was in a hotel room in New. York. I watched it's it's the one the.

very first one where you don't let him. finish his third song cuz you're just. like, "Nope, we're cutting away." And I. had to rewatch it to to say that um I al. it's about the the Irish um Irish. people's brains are made of corn. And um. and I and I texted Brian Stack. I was. like I am laughing so hard at this guy. already can and now there's like. collections on it's like YouTube is like. this mini criterion collection of great. comedy sketches now. No, I I just uh.

always love Well, shout out to Brian. Stack and shout out to And also my. favorite conceit is that. >> I was always supposed to be the the. [laughter] host who would but I would. entertain all our sketches were me. saying, "Okay, what's that, sir?" Yes, I'm a beekeeper. And I'd be [laughter]. like, "Well, uh, okay, you can have like. I in no way [laughter] say no. This is a. show." I'm always saying, "Ah, well, >> okay. Hey, what are your nine rules for. living forever? Mummy from the future,

you know. [laughter]. >> I don't know. Like, why came off the. street? >> Yeah, I'm a I'm a crazy man off the. street. Okay, crazy man, take your 10. minutes. [laughter]. >> Yeah, it's like you're at the bottom of. the decision-making ladder on a show. that you're hosting. >> That I'm hosting that has my that has. [laughter] my name in it. Uh Pat Nswald, we salute you. We love you. Come on back. 44 times, please. >> Oh, I will. Thank you.