Greg Daniels (FULL EPISODE) | Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend

Hi, my name is Greg Daniels and I feel. outraged about being [laughter]. Conan O'Brien's friend. >> You should be. You should be outraged. >> Conor O'Brien needs a friend. Conor. O'Brien doesn't have any friends. Poor. Conan has no friends. Help [laughter]. him find a friend. >> And how long have we been friends? I. >> I live two miles from you. [laughter]. >> I I brought you food when you had. shingles in your eye. Yeah, [laughter].

it's true. >> Hey there. Welcome to Con O'Brien needs. a friend. I'm sitting with my good pals, my amigos, my chums for life. That's the. uh number four. Um son obsessian, Matt. Gorley. Good to see you both. >> For life. We're committing for life. >> Yes. You you did you've more or less. >> we've been doing this together over five. years. [laughter]. >> And that's a significant. >> I know. But doing it well for five. Okay, >> it's the number four.

>> That was one of my favorite um jokes we. ever did. We did a 10th anniversary. special um for the late night with Con. O'Brien show and we did at the Beacon. Theater and it was this big show. It was. so much fun and so much great stuff. But. one of my favorite things is I'm. standing out there um and I'm saying. it's such a wonderful night and Mr. T. came out. >> I remember this. >> and he put he handed me a giant he's Mr. te wearing fatigues and with his mohawk. and jewelry and I was just so delighted.

because he became a friend of the show. and he was such a great guest and we did. remotes together and I went to Chicago. with him. He came out he presented me. with a gift and he put a big gold number. seven over my neck and he was like happy. you know happy anniversary Conan and I. said Mr. Gee, this is seven. I've been. on the air for for 10. And he said, "You've only been funny for seven.". >> No. [laughter]. >> And then he spun on his he gave me a. sharp salute, spun on his heel, and. marched out. Killed. I thought that was. a great joke. >> That is good. >> God bless you, Mr. T. Uh, so that was a.

lot of fun. >> That's nice. >> Um, we are having an exciting day. because I walked in to the offices here. at Larchmont, the sprawling, uh, corporate um, massive structure. >> It's like one building. >> You shut up. Um, I suddenly am set upon. by two imps. >> Yeah. >> Your kids are here today and it's so. much fun. >> Why don't you paint the picture? Because. I immediately revert to a to a. three-year-old when I'm around three and. four. >> You really do become a child. >> Yeah. Become a child.

>> You maybe it is who you are. And then. this is like who. the real one. >> There's layers of crud. Like those. dishes that are wrapped in bacon. I'm a. child. And then there's just layers and. layers of um high fatty uh meat. surrounding the the inner child. Huh. >> It's weird. The analogy I thought of was. how Superman is Superman and then Clark. Kent is who he pretends to be. That's. what I was thinking more along the way. >> I like that better than Bacon. >> No, I think Bacon's more.

>> So, what happened? You were there and. they were. >> they lost their minds when they saw you. >> cuz I'm like a parade float. you you. come in and you're immediately just like. going at like just going at it. You're. going crazy and then they feed off that. energy and then it just turns into a. >> we're both chasing each other around. Um. I'm running upstairs, they're chasing me. and then I'm they come running back. downstairs and I'm chasing them. >> Yeah. >> Uh it was really fun to have them. around. And um and the only thing I. couldn't do is I try to get them to.

freeze like, "Okay, everybody freeze.". >> Yeah. And Mikey won't do it. >> Mikey has a problem with authority. I. don't know where he gets it from. I. really don't know where he gets it from. >> It was so funny because I'd say, "No, guys." And then when I do this, we all. freeze. And I would freeze, too. >> Yeah. >> And he just won't freeze. >> No, he won't. He won't listen to you. And then he'll like do what he like. It's funny. And I'm like, "It's not. funny. You're not listening." Like it's. just not It's Stop. You have to stop. >> Do you see yourself in him? >> Yeah, I do. >> Yeah. Cuz you never listened to me for.

years and years. You know that. >> Yeah, that's true. And I used to when I. first hired you as my assistant, I'd say. freeze and you'd be like, "What? No, that's stupid.". >> Yeah. Well, that was just smart of her, though. [laughter]. >> Yeah. You were good life skills. You. were 30. That was appropriate. [laughter]. >> Your boss tells you to freeze. >> Freeze? No. What are you doing? >> I just took out my pepper spray. >> Yeah. >> No, I'm it. Yeah. They're really They. love you. They really, really love you. And I think that they like every time. someone would come in, they'd be like, "Is that Uncle Conan? Is that Uncle. Conan?" And you know, like they're just.

really excited to see you. I don't know. That burn you a little bit that they. love them so much. Yeah. >> Why? I don't know. I think when they're. >> It bothers you more than anybody. >> It does. It does. Yeah. >> You have kept me away from your. daughter. I've noticed you don't want. her forming any attachments to me. [laughter]. >> That's not true. I brought her in here. before. >> Yeah. You bring her in, but you're. always, "Okay, that's enough. That's. enough." And she starts [laughter] to I. see light coming into her eyes for the. first time, like unbridled joy and fun. And you're always like, "Let's get out. of here." And you wrap her in a blanket. and you run away. >> I'm just going to look at what you've. been doodling here. Oh dear.

>> Oh, look at [laughter] this. >> Oh no. >> You've got a Darth Vader that you've. drawn. And then is that a Boba Fett? What is that? A glipop. And then this is. just a regular Stormtrooper. These are. the renderings of someone who has. thought about these guys a lot. I I. don't ever draw them. I swear to God. And I just happen to today. And of. course, it's the one day that you pick. up the piece of paper. >> Don't ever draw them. >> You don't ever draw them. These are. perfectly. >> because I used to draw them in in grade. school all the time, you know. You're. saying you regress when you're in my.

presence? >> I do. [laughter]. >> Look at that. >> Those are really good. >> Those are really good. >> You're a very good artist, but it's just. interesting to me that this is um this. is what I feel like I'm trying to get. you to take an algebra test and I walk. by you and I'm like, [laughter]. >> Mr. Gley, >> that's exactly what happened in high. school. >> Did you get uh Yeah, >> you horrible at algebra. Absolutely. horrible. >> Did you have detention a lot? >> I wouldn't say a lot, but I I was no. stranger. >> Yeah. >> You seem like a law-abiding guy. No, I. was a real like uh I got away with a.

lot. I broke a lot of rules, but I very. rarely got caught. And I'm not proud of. it. But I would do things like I I once. to get out of a test, did a full gash. wax makeup cut on my hand and went in to. class just pouring blood out of it. going, I got to go to I got to go to the. nurse. Isn't that horrible? Uh and so. and it was very realistic. >> Very realistic. Yeah. I had it in my. glove compartment of my car in high. school. my brother, we had this woman. that uh, you know, my mom went back to. work, my dad was at work, and so she got. this woman named Eva Murphy who was from.

Prince Edward Island, and she would, you. know, help clean the house, and she'd. put on a meal for us at at 5:00. And she. was just sort of there to make sure that. there was someone at home. And she did a. lot actually. She was wonderful. But my. brother Luke once took a Sorry Luke, I'm. selling you out here. But he spent a lot. of time. He used that fake vampire blood. and he this was ingenious. He used a he. just wanted to play a prank on Eva, but. he melted red wax on his hand and his.

upper arm so it looked like it had. >> and then he he painstakingly put all. this blood on it and it looked like his. hand had accidentally fallen into like I. don't know a wood garbage disposal or. something. It was shredded. His hand. looked shredded and he went he came. running into the kitchen was like ah Eva. Murphy freaked out and I think Luke then. was like Luke was scared cuz he got. [laughter]. he just thought he was going to get oh. you rascal and instead he came running. in with a stump [laughter]. >> that was shooting blood. Do you know.

what I mean? It was it was out of money. python the holy grail man after my own. heart. >> Yeah. And I I remembered I was. horrified. Eva was horrified. Luke was. horrified. And. >> oh my god. >> I don't think so. He's kind of a. sociopath, but um it was quite that just. triggered me. You just brought up a very. painful. >> memory for me. >> Yeah. >> Is that a butt? >> It's a W for rap, but it also could. >> You looked Look at that. Jesus. Can I. see that, please? >> So, you're out of control today. You. just draw drew [laughter] boobies. >> Well, after she said butt, I put some.

nipples on there. Yeah. >> Okay. So, now I see why you would go. into detention. All right. >> Yeah. >> Well, I'm going to Were you ever in. detention? I feel like you were like the. kid who asked for extra credit. was the. kid that carried other escorted other. kids to detention. >> No, you weren't. >> making that. Were you Were you the kid who was like, "Excuse me, I have him." Principal. [laughter] Thomas, >> THIS MALIFACTOR [laughter]. NERD. Nerd as he draws more Star Wars heads.

>> Nope. I've taken your booby and I've. turned it I took your frown and turned. it upside down. Um, so I'm very happy with what I've. done. Um, Yep. That's real good. That's. real good. I know. And hey, you know the. great thing about a podcast? It's. perfect for drawing stuff. >> Yeah. >> Um, but look at that guy. Look at that. See? >> Wow. That's really special. Yeah. >> Guess what? And guess what? His friends. call him Titty. [laughter].

>> That's Titty Johnson. I just took back. everything I just did. >> Titty Johnson. >> All right. Um, [laughter] that's the. kind of show you've signed up for. Hey, I am very excited. My guest today is one. of my oldest friends and he also just. happens to be. >> uh a legendary writer, showrunner, and. producer. I mean, he's been responsible. for like half of the really good TV. shows in the last 25 years. And. >> he and I go way back and we got started.

together. We struck out two lads heading. out to LA in 1985. and um he saved my life in so many ways. and I love him for it. The fourth season. of his show Upload premieres on Prime. Video Monday, August 25th and he has. like 15 other things going too. It's. craziness. I am so thrilled he's here. today and I know fans have been wanting. this for a long time and it's finally. the day has come. Greg Daniels, welcome.

To anyone who doesn't know, and I think. most people know because Adam Saxs has. told me that this might be the most fan. requested interview that we've had over. years. People are saying, "When are you. going to get Greg Daniels here?". >> And yet, I'm guessed like 750. [laughter]. >> I think I think I should have a podcast. Greg Daniels thought he had a friend, [laughter]. >> but I guess not. >> Look, I waited to monetize our. friendship uh at the peak moment, and I. think I've done that. middle of the.

summer. Who who couldn't come [laughter]. because they were on vacation? >> Um, you and I met in college. Uh, and we. both worked on the Harvard Lampoon. We. knew each other. >> We were in the same class freshman year. >> Yes. We did a we did a. >> we could talk about. >> we did a class which was like a. playwriting class. >> No, the other one there was one that we. did one with the same professor about. stories. Do you remember in freshman. year as a seminar? >> I don't. It's all a blur. >> Yes. Well, maybe I I might be thinking. of someone else. >> I think you're thinking [laughter] of.

someone else. You know what we're going. to do? We've never done this, but we're. going to start again. Watch this and. [laughter] go. >> Got to leave. >> All right. For the uninitiated, for people who don't know, [laughter]. um, Greg and I went to school together. We. kind of knew each other. And then I was. on the lampoon. You were competing to. get on the lampoon. You dropped off a. >> Why is that important that you were. there first? >> [laughter]. >> I was there. This is the like the fourth.

time you said [laughter] this intro. >> I was on the lab. You were competing to. get on. >> I could have gone thumbs down. I could. have gone thumbs up. [laughter]. >> I was the John Lennon and you were the. Ringo. >> Um he was like I can keep a steady beat. uh [laughter] you dropped this cartoon. off that is and that moment I remember. that moment very well because you had to. leave them on the floor of this building. and I remember going into this room uh. in the lampoon building where people. would just leave their stuff on the.

floor and looking down and seeing this. cartoon and a good cartoon is like a. little silver bullet. It goes right to. your brain. Why don't you describe it? >> I would never have brought this up. I. [laughter]. >> I liked I thought it was really funny. I. thought it was that's it was sort of my. it's our origin story I suppose. I. suppose if we're about the other thing. but very literary cartoon very small. audience very uh nerd definfining. cartoon but. >> talk down to my people. [laughter]. >> It was a um oh god I can't. >> it's a sea captain.

>> It's a sea captain. Old sea captain. And. he's at some party and he has a hello my. name is sticker on his shirt and it says. Ishmael. >> Ishmael. One of the great lines. Call. [laughter] me Ishmael. And I thought I. saw that and I thought, "Okay, that's a. great that would be a New Yorker cartoon. right now." It was well drawn. Um, we. got to know each other. And then both of. us were interested in getting into. comedy. I'll just speak for myself. The. idea of going out into this crazy world.

by myself was terrifying. And I. remembered thinking, "Gee, I wonder if. Greg would do this with me cuz he's. really funny." and then I'd have a good. friend and we could do it together. That. was my feeling. >> Yes. >> Um I think you were under the impression. that I was very wealthy, [laughter]. >> which I was not. >> Well, we the summer before we graduated, we worked on a project and it was a very. fun experience and uh I think that. comedy is such a social thing. It's so.

much fun to to joke around with friends. and um. >> you know I I I prefer it that way for. sure and um. >> so yeah so I thought well that's cool. let's try that. And I remember uh Greg. uh a brilliant fellow and you were uh. possibly going to go to law school and I. think your your mother was questioning. and I remember when you showed up with. me. It's like you show up with your. fiance. You showed up with me and I.

remembered uh your dad was like, "Oh, this sounds fun." And I I think your mom. was who I love by the way. Uh, I love. your mom and she's fantastic, but she. rightfully was a little like, who's this. Conan and he's talking all this nonsense. into my son's ear. [laughter] That's the. impression I got. [clears throat]. >> Yeah. Well, I those were that was my my. two choices. Uh, lawyer or comedy. writer. And uh, I found that people when.

I had been a kid, they and growing up, they would say, "You should be a. lawyer." And they always said that when. they were mad at me because I was being. like really annoying and argumentative. And then sometimes they'd say, "You. should be a comedian. You should be. funny." And they were always saying that. when they were happy with me. Oh, >> that's cool. >> And I was like, "You know what? I think. I should probably not go down this path. of everybody hating me.". >> Yeah. So [laughter]. >> well. uh we um I this part of my life is so.

seared into my brain and um I am. indebted to you because I don't know. what I don't I I I think coming out to. LA was terrifying to me was it was just. I I. >> What have you said to the audience about. your origin? What can I talk about that. they don't know? >> Oh, he ate a lot of burgers and fries. and he was. weird and lanky. >> No, no, that's just genetics. That's not.

[laughter] about my. >> for burgers and fries. >> We used to go to Johnny Rockets to we. talk about this. >> Well, I Well, >> and I had this very annoying running. joke with him where I would tell the. weight staff it was his birthday every. single time [laughter]. >> that he came so they would come sing to. him. >> Yeah, it was annoying. Very annoying. But I I [laughter] think all I have to. tell people is that we came out here and. we uh were very. frugal. We were very hardwork. We did.

not have girlfriends. >> We shared one car. >> Yep. >> One apartment and one office. >> Wow. [laughter]. >> And according to my father, one towel. >> I don't know if that's true. >> No, [laughter] it's true. It's true. And. I'll tell you this, we had we had an. apartment which I pass every day cuz I. live not far away on Bington. And I. remember us we had no furniture. >> We got All right. So we got we got uh.

mattresses. from a a parking lot in Watts. >> Do you remember that? There was. >> We drove there and they they would you. pick out your mattress and they throw it. on a truck. >> They tie it to your top of your car and. off you go. There was it wasn't a store. And then. >> who's I'm sorry, who's they? >> I don't know. [laughter]. >> There was no warranty to this. It was. just. >> there was no tag on the mattresses. >> and it was wrapped in plastic, but it. could easily have come from a dead. person's apartment. I don't I don't. know. >> There was weird stains on them, bloody. stains [laughter].

>> and and we also we had a subscription to. the LA Times because it's very important. to know what's going on in your. community. And that used to pile up so. fast that we built furniture out of it. We made we stacked our LA Times. We did. not have a couch. We did not have. furniture. So, we knew we had to have a. television. So, we got a television. And. I know what it was because my brother. Neil tends to, let's say, hang on to. things. Somehow, my brother Neil, he. calls me the other day and he says, "I. just emailed you something." And I. checked my email. He had emailed a. photograph. He said, "It's an old 1985.

TV remote that says Quazar on it." And I. said, "What is this?" and he went, "That's the remote control you and Greg. had in your apartment in 1985.". >> It's like the size of a dictionary. [laughter]. >> Oh my gosh, that's crazy. >> Um, and it's all beat up and Neil got it. because I guess when we got our own. places eventually I took the TV uh and. then it had another life and it went to. New York with me and then eventually. Neil gets all appliances. He ended up. with it. But the story that you everyone.

needs to know is we shared a terrible. car that we bought at like a junkyard. near the airport. >> Rent there used to be a place you could. rent cars maybe still called Rentto. Wreck. And when the wrecks got so wrecky. that nobody would rent them, then they. sold them. My [laughter] god. >> And this looked it was a 1977 Isuzu. Opal, which is a car that I think they. made twice and then said, >> "No [laughter] more. >> No more." Um, >> and you could see the ground from in the. back seat. There was a corrosion hole.

and you if you wanted to get rid of your. your litter, you could just drop it on. [laughter]. like that. >> We were this unit. We were locked in. Uh, we worked really hard at our job and. not necessarily the news, but one of the. things that was um unusual is for young. guys who are 22 and out in LA, we. weren't we didn't drink. We didn't do. anything. We didn't do drugs. We didn't. We We were kind of interested in having. girlfriends, but we didn't know what how.

to do that. So, I remember [laughter]. you went to like a Mrs. Fields and. started chatting up the girl who worked. at Mrs. Fields. [laughter]. >> And you were like, "Oh, I'm doing pretty. well with the And then. >> I had a second date with her.". >> YOU HAD A SECOND DATE. >> AND SO, HERE'S the best part of that. Greg comes to me because he he had some. success with the girl at uh working at. Mrs. fields and he came back and he went. taking her out and then he said I need. to speak to you can I have the car. tomorrow [laughter] so he had to ask me.

if he could borrow the car and I said. well that's okay and then I just stayed. home with the TV the quazar and watched. the a team again I don't know but I. don't know it's just we had this. >> this is very accurate it's not. complimentary but it's very [laughter]. accurate. >> well I mean I and then we had these uh. we we were so worried that we are going. to get into some kind of what what if. the job dries up and we don't have money. and you were more of a taskmaster in a.

good way about hey we got to make sure. we don't blow our money when we're out. here on our paychecks. So you found a. place called Flaky Jake. >> Oh yeah, my my Flaky Jake scam. >> He had a scam at Flaky Jake. >> Yes. So Flaky Jakes was great. It was. this burger restaurant and they were. very proud of the fact that they baked. their own buns and that you would put. the burger on the buns and then you'd go. and they had hundreds of fixings. >> It's like a salad bar, fixings bar. >> Yeah. And um you know and the whole. thing was you know I don't know what. like eight bucks or something but they. would sell the um the buns for 35 cents.

and you got the bun and you got a tray. and then you could go to the fixings and. you could put tomatoes and onions and a. lot of dressing on pickles and you can. make yourself like this vegetarian. fixing sandwich for 35 cents. >> So you don't. >> So they would say I of course didn't. subscribe to that. I I was 6'4 155 lbs. which if you do the math doesn't work.

and I was always hungry. I was always. perpetually hungry and I couldn't gain. weight. So I would I would say I'll have. the double double triple burger and then. they'd turn to Greg and he'd be like. just the bun. Thank you. [laughter]. >> And then he'd walk over to this thing. and pilot mile high with freestyle to. take a bad job cuz I had the burger. You. know you want I want to have [laughter]. a little flexibility there. Yeah. And so. >> that's genius. >> Yeah. So we're driving around. I'm just.

trying to paint a picture because um. Greg has gone on to be one of the most. successful TV creators uh of all time. And it's just No, it's true. And it's. really fun for me to try to time travel. and go back to you had a kick once when. we were when you said you had read an. article that broccoli has all the amino. acids you need. So you you and I went. and you filled bags with broccoli at the.

store and we came home and we boiled it. cuz that's supposed to be or steamed it. and then we ate it with some fat-ree. butter substitute. Yeah. And I and you. were chopping it down going m all the. amino acids [laughter] and for very. little money. And I remember thinking. why did I pick this guy? [laughter] Why. did I pick a guy who was like come on. let's do a few lines and then go to that. strip club. You got you Carpey DM. >> Yeah. >> There was no Carpey DM with us. >> Yeah. It was Greg holding you back. Right. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm the problem. [laughter].

>> Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Can you imagine? >> I had a t-shirt that said bikini. inspector. [laughter]. There was not a nerd vibe in him at all. [laughter]. >> This guy was supposed to go clubbing and. you held him back. We'd be murder. >> They say that Leopold and Loe neither. one of them would have killed if they. were alone, but together they [laughter]. were lethal. That's true of most. murdering couples. Greg and I each made. the other's nerd jeans vibrate and we. both would get nerdier. >> I know. Who knows? Maybe without you he.

would have been like, you know, going to. the strip clubs and I don't know, >> having a burger. [laughter]. >> Yeah. I don't know. >> Having some real protein. >> I really want to run with that premise, but [laughter]. it just it doesn't feel right. [music]. I have such clear memories and they come. back to me whenever I drive past our old. haunts. Remember, we eventually get. separate apartments. I found a $380 a.

month apartment um from Cynthia. Stevenson. She had this special. apartment that was really cheap and she. said, "I'm moving in with my boyfriend. You can have my apartment. You got an. apartment not too far away. We're now in. the flats. uh in Hollywood." And I'll never forget, you finally decided I'm going you were. going to get a new car and you were. going to come by and show it to me. And. of course, you're very practical. You're. careful. I did a lot of research about. how you deal with car dealers and you.

got to hold the line. You got to go in. there and tell them this is all I got. >> and um so I did I did everything right. I went in there and I walked out. They. had sold me a car with no air. conditioning. >> because they were I didn't know what to. do. I was like this is it. This is all I. can go. And they were like well we can. make that if you get buy this one that. has no air conditioning. And I kind of. was like maybe I don't need it. >> And so this is interesting. He comes by. my apartment and this is before cell. phones, before anything like that. So I. think you called me ahead of time and.

said be out in front of your apartment. and at 3:00 I'll come by with my new. car. I go out and then uh you had bought. >> a very sensible Toyota Corolla. >> So yeah, I got the one with no air. conditioning and then I also compounded. my problem by getting a car that would. last forever [laughter]. would have no air conditioning for years. and years. And I got in and you were a. little defensive. I I got in and there. was a giant hole in the This is a brand. new car and there's a giant space that.

you could put a watermelon in [laughter]. in the console and I said, "What goes. here?" And he went, "Well, that's. normally the air conditioner, but I. didn't get that." And I said, >> "Sorry, do I sound like that?". [laughter]. >> What the. >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I forgot. I. thought I I'm sorry. I THOUGHT OF I. THOUGHT THAT I PARTNERED with Niles from. Frasier. I apologize. [laughter]. No, but Greg said, "Oh, I didn't I. didn't get that." And Greg was like, "I. DIDN'T GET THAT.". >> YEAH. [laughter]. WHAT THE. >> HOW YOU DOING? HOW YOU DOING? >> HEY, DON'T DISS THE WAGON. [laughter].

I was like, "Craig, please.". He said, "I'M OUT ON BADGE PATROL." I. SAID, "JESUS, CRAIG." [laughter] But he. said he said, "I didn't get an air. conditioner." And I said, >> "There's only two settings.". >> Yeah. >> And I said, "Uh, yeah." I [laughter]. said, I said, "I don't know. Don't you need. air conditioning?" Like, "It's fine. right now." And it was, of course, it. was February. >> He felt really good in the car without. the air [laughter] conditioning. >> After that, anytime we went to a. meeting, he was covered in sweat. He.

looked like he was having a nervous. breakdown. >> I remember going to I drove to I think. to see you in Chicago. You were. >> I did I did Happy Happy Good Show with. Robert Smiggle, Bob Odenkirk. Yeah. >> And I was going to see you. It was like. August and I drove from LA to Chicago. and um I had to uh sleep during the day. and drive at night because it was so hot. in the car. [laughter]. >> I made the mistake of leaving a cassette. in the car and I came back like when I. went to get a hamburger, I came back, it.

was all curly cued from heat. >> It was a It was a nightmare car. But I. had. >> Wish you had a hamburger though. You. treated yourself. >> Yes. [laughter]. >> I'm dying and so I need a hamburger. I. do remember we used to do very strange. things to entertain ourselves. We have. to sit down and we have to together. write all this down sometimes. >> Yeah. I don't know what you've told. folks here. Like the one of one of my. favorites was. >> you're insane and I was held back from. my life [laughter] as a suck. master. >> God.

>> by the way to Greg and Judy Daniels. I. mean [laughter] to Erin and Judy Daniels. I hope you're enjoying the podcast. See, I was a good influence. [laughter]. >> We We redid the beginning four times and. we won't redo this. >> That's got to stay. >> I'm not redoing this. I'm proud of this. >> Oh, I was just remembering the bit where. uh we got into our first um kind of. argument with the costume designer and. >> Yeah. >> And they at Saturday Night Live. >> at Saturday Night Live. And they went to.

Lauren and they said, "You fire these. two or I'm leaving." Mhm. >> And um and Lauren was like, "This is my. costume designer. You know, she's, you. know, terrific and. >> got all these awards and everything.". So, he called us into the his office and. we were a little uh nervous and we. thought we were getting fired. >> Yeah. And he sat down and and we just. had this conversation. He said, "You got. to we got to stay in here about 20. minutes um so she thinks I'm yelling at. you." [laughter] And. >> it was terrific. It was. >> It was great. He was like, "I have to be.

here for 20 minutes and you're in here, too. And just so you know, I'm yelling. at you right now, but he wasn't, >> right? >> Um, and we didn't get into a fight to be. fair. All we did was we wrote a sketch. and it had these elaborate costumes and. we. checked on we went to the place where. they were manufacturing them just to. check on them because we thought that's. what a good writer producer does is. check on things and that apparently was. us overstepping our bounds, which okay, I didn't know. We didn't know that. We. were brand new so yeah, >> I don't remember us. We never got into.

fights with people or yelled at people. >> No, no, no, no. We just ignorantly. stepped on toes. >> Yes. [laughter] Yes. >> That just seems normal, though. >> Yeah. >> Now that's normal. >> I don't know. It was one of those things. where we were new and I don't think it. would have been an issue if we. >> there. We had bad I mean I think we were. pretty nice people, but we had a lot of. like bad instincts for Hollywood. Like I. remember when we before we got to SNL we. had an opportunity to possibly do a. movie rewrite. >> and um this was very rare for us. We had.

never. >> ever been offered anything like this. So. they sent us this uh script. >> and we read it and we had this one. meeting. We came in and for some reason. we were really concerned that the studio. had wasted money because we didn't like. the script at all. And we were we spent. the whole time going, "Can you get the. money back? Is that possible?" We were. more interested in the [laughter] studio. getting its money back and there were. and we we weren't playing the game. [laughter]. >> And also I remember the first meeting we. ever had with an agent was no was Howard.

Klein. >> Yeah. >> We had a meeting with Howard Klein and. Howard was like, "Okay, well you guys. there's a good word on you. You're doing. a good job." And the next step would be. for you guys to do this and this and. this. And I cut him off and I said, "What if we how does it work if we want. to write new lyrics to existing songs?". And he said, "What? What do you mean?". And I said, "Well, you know, um, Elvis. Presley had that big hit with Suspicious. Minds. What if we just changed it to. Suspicious Brains? Can we get paid for. that?" [laughter] And he said, "Get the. out of here.". I don't know why. [laughter].

Trying to tickle our own brains and be. happy. >> Well, you had this thing uh you had this. thing where you wanted to put in our. contract that if Bob Hope died, we would. be released from our contract. Was. [laughter] rules of comedy would have. been all different. >> You know, there's all this boilerplate. >> Oh god. got our first contract and it. was just, you know, we were staff. writers on not necessarily the news and. there's just this stuff that of course. Greg got out his magnified glasses and. was looking and saying it it says here.

well [laughter]. according to Pinsley Teenworthy it says. here [laughter]. that article 4 section 9 and it says. things like that's been in contract. since the beginning of time literally. biblical stuff about fire plagues locust. act of God and I said well there should. there needs to be I said Harry Klein, we. need we want a clause in there that if. Bob Hope should die, comedy as we know. it would be forever changed and this. contract is null and void. And again, he. said, "Get the out of here.". [laughter]. >> Oh my god. >> I was think I was kicked out of his. office like 15 times. [laughter].

>> And Bob Hope just kept living, too. >> He died six hours ago, the [laughter]. age of 150. But um I will say I have so many uh. happy. memories that I wouldn't have had. I'm. an anx I'm an anxious person and I put a. lot of pressure on myself and Greg was. really just a great.

>> golucky. Well, not smoking. [laughter]. Just think Owen Wilson. >> Yeah. Pick Greg should be played by Owen. Wilson. [laughter]. from the stick era. No, you um we just had a lot of fun. doing weird things that there's a whole. story. It's probably a screenplay where. you and I decided to just I think we had. seen in the news that uh Lady Diana or. Princess Diana and her husband Charles. had just been to Vancouver for like a.

fair and we decided to expo the expo. It. was like Expo 87 or something and we saw. an ad where they made it look amazing in. the ad and I think you as a historian. type person knew about the Chicago Expo. of like 1904 or something that was very. >> like impressive and and we just managed. to convince ourselves. >> that if we missed Expo 87 in Vancouver, we would regret it for the rest of our.

lives. I still stand by that. >> Expo [laughter] 87. And by the way, the. expo was over. >> The expo was over, but we thought we'll. see the remnants. >> Oh no. >> So I remember we flew to we flew to. Seattle. It was like all business, [laughter] too. It's just like Xerox had. a thing cuz they had a new copier. >> You know, it was a new kind of asbestous. they [laughter] were coming out with. >> sign in the paper and you're like, "We. got to go there. >> We got to go." So Greg and I fly. I. mean, other people on their weekends are. I'm in LA. I'm going to get on a boat. with all my friends. And we did know.

people Billy Kimbell, Ian Maxstone. Graham, who lived in a cool house. They. all were writers. They would go out on. they would rent boats and all split it. And on the weekend they'd go out and. wear yaching caps and have fun. And. there were women on the boat. And you're. like, we're like suckers. [laughter]. Xerox has a new copier. So, we're going to be the first to see. it. We're going to have our pictures. taken with the new Xerox copier. >> So, we flew [laughter].

We fly to Seattle. We fly to Seattle and. then we drive in a of course the. cheapest rental car you can get like. >> the the Hyundai bulb and it's a light. bulb that's they turn into a car and we. drove that from Seattle to Vancouver and. then we're watching we're in our motel. room quickly sussing out that well this. expo isn't really happening and it's. raining a lot and all the exhibits are. closed and there's a half a ferris. wheel. What are we doing here? And then. we're we're spending a lot of time. We.

got hooked on. >> Hcomrs. There's a there is a a a. Canadian content show that ran for like. 50 years. It's like the bold and the. beautiful of Canada called Beach Comrs. >> The Beach Comrs, I think. >> The Beach Comrs. And Bruno Jerusi was. the star and creator, I believe. >> Glad you got that right. [laughter]. >> That's some mail I don't have to answer. >> And we decided we had to go watch it be. filmed. [laughter]. And um. >> we decided there was one particular.

character on it who didn't have many. lines and we decided we have to meet him. and we made a promise to ourselves we're. going to shake his hand before we leave. Vancouver. And then we went and we got. reporters notebooks and we're. interviewing people all over town. pretending we're reporters and then. someone CBC we found out they were. shooting at Gibson's Island. Um, which I. I now I'm like in that community a. little bit because I shot Upload up in. Vancouver and so I people.

>> return to the scene of the. >> return. Yeah. People send me like Beach. Comr's shirts like all the crew that I. worked with there. But um yeah, so we. and then we had to get to Gibson's uh. like in time to go back to Seattle to. get our flight and we we were running. out the clock trying to figure out how. to get to the set and um uh we missed. the ferry that goes to Gibson's and it. was the last ferry. We were there would.

be no way to get there. Um, so then we. went down to the docks and we started. talking to fishermen and we um. >> we explained our situation show. [laughter]. >> Yes. And we paid some guy to go faster. than the ferry in his little [laughter]. fishing boat. >> and we're so excited. We jump in this. boat and we're beating the ferry AND. WE'RE LIKE, "YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO. THE island before the ferry." [laughter]. And then we get on the island and we we. want and then someone tells us the. character we want to shake hands with.

He says, "Oh yeah, no, I think he lives. over on Mapleton Avenue. You and I fan. out and you take one pounding on Dora. on doors randomly going, you know, where. open up.". >> And so Greg took the north side of the. street. I took the south side of the. street and we just both and then I'm I'm. banging on like my seventh door. Door. opens. There's the guy. And I'm like, "HOLD ON A SECOND. GREG. GREG. GREG. Greg comes running. We both shake his. hand. He doesn't know what's happening. >> He's He's just accepting that he's got.

fans from LA that, you know, have made. the pilgrimage. He's happy. And then, but then but we have to get on the the. ferry has docked and is putting on cars. And that's our last chance to make our. flight to get back to that ferry. >> The one that we we beat. >> And we start running down the street. trying to get to the ferry. And this. woman in a jeep picks us up. Do you. remember that? We were we hitched like. this woman. We explained it to her. She. completely loved the got into the spirit. of it. She like gunned it towards the. ferry,

>> went into the wrong way down a street. cuz like the ferry line for the next. ferry was already there. >> and uh pulls up. >> So we had to kill her. [laughter]. >> No witnesses. That was the plan. Still. unsolved. [laughter]. But you know, so flash forward years, Greg's gone on to create half the TV. shows people have watched. And um I've. gone on to My Foolishness. And one day I. get this, someone tells me Ari Emanuel, the famous Ary Emanuel's online one,

uh Agent to the Stars. He's like, I just. talked to Greg. He told me the story of. you guys. Um. >> he thought it would be a movie. >> And he said, "IT'S A MOVIE." And I said. very calmly, "No, Ari, it's not. [laughter] It's an aneote. >> It's two nerds doing something very. nerdy. Yeah, if Anecdote Film starts. making films, then maybe. But, >> but Ari's got really good instincts. And. so, I don't know, maybe that should have. been [laughter]. the next project. >> That'll be the next thing we do. Uh, it's very interesting to me because we.

both um I think I knew early on that you. were very interested in what turned out. to be stuff that most people like, which. is character development, story arcs, and I was always like, "What?" You know, [laughter] it should be a sketch that's. 3 minutes long and it should have a. masturbating bear in it. And you'd go, "Uh-huh. Yeah, but what happens to the. bear over time?" And [laughter] um so we. decide you start I remember initially. you were writing I did an extra season. on SNL. You start working on a a.

screenplay. Um then you start working on. these different things. I know that you. worked uh you did work on the Simpsons. You did work on uh for for Seinfeld. And. then you team up, you and Mike Judge do. King of the Hill. >> Yes. >> Which was fantastic. And. >> thank you. That was a lot of fun. And. it's coming back August 4th. >> Yeah. >> Season 14. >> Yeah, it's coming back. And you are in. this period right now, a real purple.

patch, which is. >> I don't know what that means. [laughter]. >> Uh purple patch I usually means like a. very creative sweet spot because. >> um King of the Hill is coming back. You're also launching uh uh season. >> Upload is coming the final season. >> Final season of Upload. >> August 25th. >> August 25th. You showed me the other day. uh your um pilot episode, the first. episode for uh The Next Generation of.

The Office. >> It's the It's a new documentary by the. same crew. That's how we're describing. it. >> Yes. It's not a It's It's not a reboot. It's not It's nothing like that. You. showed it to me. Um, which I loved, by. the way. I really loved it. >> I like to slip you things. I remember. showing you and Beckett, uh, Parks and. Wreck, and, uh, >> I get good feedback from Conan. >> Yeah. Becket said, "No, >> really, >> this can't work.". >> Oh, >> yeah. He said, "Carto in Texas, that's.

not going to work." And he was really. vehement about it and he was like, "Five." Um, but uh yeah, I saw the uh. this this latest the episode for this. latest show, the pilot, and it starts, if I'm allowed to say there's we can cut. this out if it's not cool, but. >> there's a moment that's very powerful. where the documentary crew is trying to. find it's well, it starts with them. trying to find out what's up with. Thunder Mifflin, and. >> they find out some stuff and it leads.

them in a new direction to a different. city. And. >> in the different city, they stumble upon. this uh historic newspaper, which has. kind of turned into a ghost newspaper, which I don't know if you're familiar. with that, but that's when some other. company buys a local newspaper and fires. all the reporters and keeps it going. selling ads, but they just print wire. stories. >> Wire stories. Yeah. >> And so they they see this and they kind. of go, "Oh, that's an interesting. subject for documentary." And then this.

guy comes and he doesn't really have a. lot of journalism experience. He's been. uh selling toilet paper at another. division of the company. >> Uh but he loved being on his college. newspaper and he wants to revitalize. this uh newspaper. >> He wants to bring it back to a real. paper. There's a lot about this new show. that is putting a light on how much. things have changed. So there's old. documentary footage of the old newspaper. in Toledo, Ohio. Yeah. Um, and then they.

contrast it and you just see 150 people. working really hard on these giant. machines putting out the paper and then. you see this young woman who's an. important character, but she's working. at the paper and she's explaining to the. documentary crew what they do and she's. just dragging and clicking AP stories. and dropping them. >> and and then a lot of it is just. clickbait and there's a thing that. automatically tells you, is this too big. an article for this page? Yes, it is. is.

and then she has to pick a different. article and I thought um very smart to. make it about this right now especially. >> well it's it's um you know people have. sort of counted out newspapers and there. is something in the tone of the office. that this sort of a poignency of people. doing their best in a situation that is. not very hip or people have kind of. counted them out and um this this new. show is got a little more maybe bad news.

bearsers energy because they are trying. to do accomplish something and um you. know and they are more inspired than the. team that worked at Dunder Mifflin. Uh. >> and you're working with a guy who. started out with me, Michael Coleman. >> Yes, >> Michael Coleman is one of my shout out. to Michael Coleman. One of my all-time. favorite late night writers, brilliant. guy, really funny. And he has enough on. me to put me in jail because he was uh.

[laughter] uh. >> everybody does. >> I was gonna say more than son. >> I think I. >> I think I tackled him 50 times. physically tackled him. Uh. >> yes, I I've seen the battery uh salt and. battery [laughter]. things that he hasn't filed. >> He's uh absolutely brilliant and I love. >> the guy behind uh Nathan for you. >> Yes. And when you think about um you. know a show um like The Office that. takes like a reality format and gets. high comedy out of it. I mean to me. Nathan for you is like the pinnacle. So.

>> uh very excited to be doing this with. him. [music]. >> It is a lot. I think you're the busiest. person. I I'll think of myself. occasionally as being very busy and then. I look at what Greg's doing and you're. doing 15 times the amount of work that. I'm doing. [clears throat]. >> It's very rare that they all come out. the same month. I mean, that's like. nuts. Um the paper is September 4th. So.

between August 4th and September 4th, I. have three things coming out, but they. they've been years in development and. working on them and stuff. It's just. random that they're. >> right. Well, I noticed that. >> I get at least I get an invitation here. I I have to do three shows. [laughter] I. don't know what some of the other um. guests do, but I I can't imagine they. have three shows coming [laughter] out. >> The only guests I interview have an. Emmy, a Golden Globe, uh you know, the. whole thing and EGOT, >> um Tony, Oscar, uh yeah, I've been I've.

been rooting for you to get on this and. I've been waiting. >> I know. I will when will Greg's career. [laughter]. >> he said he called out Paula. >> That's what that's what Conan's been. saying. He said, "I I want to get you. on, but Paula. >> Paula Davis, my uh my [laughter] who who. we met at SNL." Yes. >> We met Paul at SNL the first day we. showed up there in uh February of 1988. >> and I started talking to um Paula and.

she was sitting behind a desk and she. was really funny and quick and I said, "Oh, she reminds me of my sister Kate. I. like this Paula." Cut to her me hiring. her the summer of 1993 to be the head. booker at Late Night and she's still. with me. >> A barnacle that cannot be removed. [laughter]. Um, it's funny. I I think about I don't. know about you, but I drive around Los. Angeles and when I'm in New York, New.

York less so because it doesn't have the. same associations, but but in LA, 85, 86, 87, um I'm constantly passing things and I. have a very strong sense memory of you. and I being there. Uh, you went off to get your ridiculous. car. I decided I need to get a different. car than this piece of junk we bought at. the airport. No.

>> Oh, no. Yeah, you got a cool car. It is. like a Dodge Dart or something. [laughter]. >> It's a It's a Dodge Dart. It's the car. they drive on Dragnet. >> Yes, that was a good one. >> I wanted I wanted a car that looked like. I was a Narc from 1972. [laughter]. It was a Plymouth Valiant, uh, which is the same thing as a Dodge. Dart pretty much. And it was mustard. yellow with a black interior bench. seats. >> Yeah. >> And when you turned it off, the engine. dieseldled, which means it kept going.

and I remember going on a date and. [snorts] getting out of the car to go. open the door for the for my date. >> and opening the door and the I had. turned the car off. It was going. [laughter]. and it was like. and just watching it and thinking, well, this isn't going to happen for me. tonight. >> Well, I had a window air conditioner in. the passenger side [laughter]. for my dates. >> The car's A LITTLE IT'S A LITTLE. SIDEHEAVY. [laughter].

What do you think of you know was really. fun which is a really nice memory for me. uh my uh hosting the Emmys and I thought. of this open that connected all the. different shows that were Emmy nominated. >> and my favorite transition I I always. wanted to think of a cool way to get. from one show to the next at the time. Lost had just had its first season was. the big you a huge hit big show. everyone's talking about it so I wash up. on the Lost my plane cr I'm going to the.

Emmys to to host my plane crashes is I. uh wash up on the beach and I make. myself I I make myself a haird dryer and. uh get my pompador going and then I walk. through the jungle. I meet Hurley from. Lost. He we find the what was it called? The hatch. We find the hatch and he. said, "We don't know what's down there.". And I said, "Well, I'm going to find. out." And I lower into the hatch and I I. went to Hawaii and shot this. So you can. I think you can look this thing up. online. I go down and suddenly my feet.

kick through something and you cut to my. feet going through acoustical tile on a. se office ceiling and I fall down onto. Dwight's desk and it's the entire cast. that original cast of the office and. suddenly I'm in the confessional area. where I'm giving my testim whatever. Um. >> well you'd been you'd actually been like. our our one celebrity guest star up till. that point because. >> you guys came to 30 Rock. We went to 30. Rock and Michael was in New York for a.

meeting and he was like showing all of. his favorite things like his local pizza. place, Sabaros and [laughter] and um and. he thought he saw Tina Fay uh going into. Wasn't Tina Fay. >> Wasn't Tina Fey, just somebody looked. vaguely like her. But then you walked by. and the camera saw you, but he missed. you. >> He missed me. So I'm going by and I. think I remember just doing like two. takes. >> and I came downstairs from my show. But. that was magical for me because. um our our different worlds which are.

very diverse came back together again. and you were directing me in your big. hit show uh your second big hit show and. I was uh it was cool. It was really it. was like a nice happening like wait a. minute we're the same guys that. >> maybe it's being the same age. I don't. know. There's a couple things that go. like that. like the you hosting the. Emmys when we won an Emmy and there was. something um what were you saying right?

>> We were both arrested at the same time. >> Yeah. [laughter] No, but there there's. like things that things happen like. that. >> No, but there was a lot of there was a. lot of neat little that was a moment um. getting to work with you on that and. then uh I remembered Steve Carell. I. that's what I'm remembering. The. upfronts. This was hilarious. You you. were hosting the NBC Upfronts the year. that we came out. Yeah. >> And I guess there wasn't an enormous. amount of overlap there, but this was so. funny to me because, [laughter] and this.

is probably inappropriate, but they the. show that they were really pushing hard. was Father of the Pride. >> Do you remember this? It was is the. cartoon. >> cartoon based on Zig Freed and Roy. >> and and Roy had just been it was about. their tigers. It was like the idea was. to take the Sig Freed and Royy's Tigers. and do a family show about them and it's. animated and um. >> Dream Works I think. >> Yeah. And uh [laughter] and uh. >> and then literally a month before it. came out, one of the tigers nibbled on.

Roy's [laughter] face. >> Nippled. >> um he just had a nosh and uh. >> and um. >> and they were like, "Nope, this is. actually good for the show.". >> Yeah. Yeah, I remember they were just. like they cut to him, right? Like you. were on stage with all the advertisers. and they decided they'd beam in Roy in. bandages saying it's okay. It's okay. >> Everything's okay. >> I don't have any ill will to my tigers. >> Yeah. And he was to show that the tiger. was with him too. Um heavily sedated,

[laughter]. >> jaw wired shut. Um anyway, uh yeah, there were all these moments where then. we were our careers would come back. together. But all this time, um, I'll tell you one thing is I I've. I've learned a bunch of things about. Greg. One is that he doesn't want to. just meet me at a restaurant and have a. meal. He wants to meet me while we're. doing something where our heart rate is. up. So, you're always saying, >> I like walking with people. I like. walking with people. I don't I don't.

love having to look into people's faces. when I'm talking to them. I prefer. >> some faces are different. I don't know. Sona, I might make an exception. a. >> friendly face. Um, but [laughter]. >> but it's better. It seems better to walk. like. >> I know, but parallel, right? It seems to. talk more. >> Sometimes it's a little insane where. I'll say it would be really nice to sit. down and I'm hungry. I haven't eaten. You haven't eaten. We could sit down and. you're like, "No." Um, there's. >> I bring a I bring a bun with condiments. in [laughter] it for you. He has a big.

backpack filled with 33 cent buns and. kleslaw and pickles. [laughter]. Something's never changed. >> Yeah. And it's just you that's still. what you want to do. That's what you. wanted to do in 1985. My dad always said. people don't change. They become more. so. And I think that's the case. I think. >> I think that's why that's what I like. about character comedy. Just to to talk. about that genre. I think that's what. people like about it is that you feel. that way about your own friends and then. to see somebody on TV. You get to know.

what their character is like and to see. them act in character over and over. again is very, you know, makes you feel. like, oh, I know them. That's just like. Conan. Conan's Conan going like this. with his vein popping. [laughter]. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Have you guys seen that? >> Oh, YEAH. OH, YEAH. WE'VE SEEN IT. >> I'VE BEEN MEDICATED [laughter] SINCE. >> YEAH, we've seen it. >> Well, yeah, we were back. I mean, I. don't know about you, but I've I've. enjoyed We have a culture that uh, you. know, says, "Oh, you shouldn't get. getting older is not cool. It's not.

good." And I just know that I'm happier. now because. >> Well, you're older than me, though. [laughter]. >> So, yes. This is Yes. But I was on the. lampoon first. Um, uh, [laughter] Greg, there's a two-month. No, two. >> April to June. >> April to June. It's a little more than. two months. >> It's an 8w weekek difference between our. birthdays. [laughter] And Greg's. favorite time of year every year is when.

I'm 50 and he's 49. And what he does is. he calls me on my birthday and he says, "How are you? [laughter]. Are you okay?" And this goes on for. eight weeks. And then my favorite thing. is when that time elapses and and it's. his birthday, I call him up AND SAY, "HAHA, UH, this is really cool. This this art. kind of banter, doesn't it? It. >> this is like this is like you got to. imagine Bill Burr is doing that with his. friends and like. >> right he's doing much cooler things.".

>> No, I don't think so. >> He's doing [laughter] much cooler. things. >> I think this this is maybe like what. Jack Benny would do. >> Nope. >> With George Burns. Maybe [laughter] what. >> we were This is feels like a very maybe. two Mormon comedians or [laughter]. >> Yeah, I remember I it was Greg. Speaking. of birthdays, I'll just We were in. Westwood together. We were walking. around doing nothing. And it was Greg's. birthday and I said, "I've got a. birthday present for you. >> Let's pretend we're firing our talent. beams at each other as hard as we can.".

And he was like, "What?" And I said, "Just each we'll be fing and I'll I. blasted you. Nothing happened. Then you. blasted me and I stepped I threw my coat. off like I had been vaporized and. stepped behind a light pole as if you. were so much more talented than I that. it vaporized me. And I remember you were. pleased. [laughter]. >> This was this was Conan's idea of a. birthday present to me. >> to one day a year. >> suggest that I might have some talent. that could I could do [laughter] a joke. better than. >> Was this recently or was this like.

>> It could have been recently. I was going. to say, >> but it was now this is like 1986, but it. could easily have been. >> a couple of weeks ago [laughter]. >> easily. I know nothing. >> That's why I'm asking. I don't know. >> Changed that much. >> I was going to say I I mean, as as a. comedy fan, I think the reason people. want Greg on here is because the fact. that the two of you worked together for. so long before the two of you went on to. astronomical success on your own is it's. very rare and it's really cool. I mean, I I I it's cool for me to be in the room.

with you two just talking about this. stuff. >> It's funny to me that um because I think. back to Greg just brought up I am a uh. some would say uh demonic I have a demon. various demons and I would sit and I. would be anxious and so I would grind my. hands together and if if I if something. wasn't coming an idea wasn't coming uh I. would I would grind. Greg would lean. back in his chair and he would he.

thought that by whipping his head side. to side it would get get blood into a. part of his brain and create an idea. So. I'd be sitting there if you just. [laughter] if there was a fly on the. wall or a secret camera it would have. seen me pushing my hair through my crazy. long pushing my hands through my hair. >> It's very like with nail and I the two. the two of us we were. >> there's a fun reference. Yeah, [laughter]. >> we were I was grinding I was grinding my. hands, my eye vein, my forehead vein. coming out, giant hair flying. everywhere. And then Greg is.

>> I'm trying to concentrate. >> Greg is has his eyes closed and is going. anyone who came in there would say you. got to medicate them both [laughter]. immediately, right? >> Yes. >> Medicate these guys. Um, well, I don't I. mean to usually I end these by saying, "Hey, excited about the new project.". But you can't do that with Greg Daniels. because it's last season of Upload. Um, continuation of King of the Hill. Uh you.

have a a a new show that picks up where. the office it's it's the documentary. crew that filmed the office has now gone. forward and they're uh exploring this. newspaper which is tangentially related. to Dunder Mifflin. Um did I forget. anything? >> Uh I could talk about a few other. things. >> Oh my god, it's insane. >> I'm connected to this show common side. effects that people like. I love that.

show. You know what? I haven't talked to. you about Common Side effects because. you were out of town when Becket and I. binge watched it. >> I didn't even know you were I watched. the first episode and loved it and then. saw your name. >> Yes. >> So, I didn't know that you were. involved. Uh Mike Judge and I started an. animation company about I don't know. five or six years ago and um so we are. producers and of course he's very. involved in this because he's a he's a. voice uh and it's uh done with this.

amazing [snorts] animation uh god named. Joe Bennett and Steve Healey who was a. writer on the office who you might know. and um yeah it's a really good show. I. uh I watched it with my daughter Nev who. loves anime. So we watched the first one. and then again we were like well the. next one then the next one then the next. one. Absolutely fantastic. And I started. watching it not knowing about your guy's. involvement but have you seen it?

>> I absolutely love it. I've seen the. whole thing. Um, and yeah, similar. thing. I watched it because I love. Scavenger's Rain, which I think Joe. Bennett did before and and the CEO I was. like, "God, that sounds like Mike. Judge.". >> Yeah. >> So, and then I was like, "Oh my god, it. is." And Greg Daniel, what is this? It's. an amazing show uh about kind of uh. conspiracies. It's very funny. The. animation's beautiful. >> It's also really sweet. It's the best. animation I've seen in a while. Incredible. because uh.

>> uh without giving anything away, watch. common side effects. And I've seen it on. a bunch of lists as if you're it's it's. everywhere on these lists these critics. lists of if you're not watching this. then you're an idiot and a shout out uh. because I know you're not just a fan of. Upload. David, >> I'm obsessed with Upload. >> Oh, thank you so much. >> It's so good. The whole concept of it. and like just everything about it. It's. one of those shows that once the season. would end, I immediately Google when. will the next one be [laughter] out.

>> I know it's it's tough. I I did you see. season 3? >> I did. >> cuz season 3 is a, you know, dropped. during the writers and actors strike, right? And I think there's a lot of fans. out there that may not have seen season. 3. Um, the first two seasons had a lot. of uh, >> you know, push behind them and then we. weren't able to publicize season 3. So, season 4 is the one coming out uh August. 25th, and that is the final season, wraps up all the stories, and uh but you.

know, if you haven't seen season 3, you. can go check it out now. >> This episode drops August 25th, too. So, you can. >> Oh, like that. Comes out today. [laughter]. Upload comes out today. Oh, what a winky. dink, huh? I wonder if a publicist was. involved. [laughter]. Greg's publicist is Greg wearing a wig. This was cut out on the tree, I tell. you. [laughter] Now it's all go to flaky. gates for a bun. You're the Mrs. Doubtfire of [laughter]. publicists. Um.

uh yeah, that is um and. uh I cannot end this without saying a. big shout out to your parents because. your parents and I've said this before. to them. >> Well, they love you. Well, they they and. they were they said to me, "Finally, the. son we've always wanted." Exactly. Um, no, they uh. >> they let us use. >> They still want you to go to law school, though. >> I know. They think I up. They uh.

Your parents uh let us use uh their. apartment that first crucial summer when. we had no place to live. And I I think. if they hadn't done that, I don't know. what our chances would have been, but. that's where we started really working. together. It got me out of Boston. It. got us both working together. Seriously. We wrote our packet. We sent it off. Um, >> your parents, too, though. I remember. working out at your parents' house and. the we went to see Spies Like Us. >> They were Yeah, that's right. [laughter].

Boy, did we have fun. >> Yeah, that was a big deal. >> Yeah. >> Remember that movie? Yeah. [laughter] We. would see those kind of We would go see. movies if we thought a girl in a bikini. was in it. >> Yeah. >> Greg would see an ad somewhere and he'd. be LIKE, "THERE'S A GIRL IN A BIKINI IN. THE MOVIE." [laughter] We were true. creeps long before the internet was. invented. >> Spies like us. There was a girl in the. poster in a full-length fur coat and we. were excited. [laughter]. >> She could see your face. >> NONE IN IT, BUT SHE'S A GIRL. [laughter].

Uh. >> could see her hands. They poke out of. the sleeves. [laughter]. We went and saw Witness because we went. for the action. [laughter]. >> Uh, that barn was erotic. [laughter]. >> Uh, Greg, we got to do this again. Um, this was. >> we've scratched the surface. >> No, I'm serious. There could be maybe 15. episodes where we talk about us in 8586.

alone and people would uh love that. But. >> well, that remains to be seen. Let's see. how this goes. Well, there was a lot of. talk about us alone in ' 8586. [laughter]. You may get some comments. This was the. most boring. >> I don't think so. >> Adam, you can weigh in. Adam can weigh. in. >> No, this is this is what people want to. hear. >> Yeah, this is what they want to hear. Sadly, Sadly, it's what they want to. hear cuz you know what? It makes them. feel better about themselves. >> Yes. Finally, you're humanized. [laughter]. >> Anyone listening to this suddenly feels.

like, "Hey, I'm a I'm a stud. These. nerds didn't do anything." [laughter]. I have a couch. >> My car has air conditioning. >> I have an air conditioner in my car AND. I [laughter] HAVE A COUCH. >> I'm still going out with the Mrs. Fields. [laughter] girl. Uh well, Greg, you're go with God. You're killing it. You're killing it. And I couldn't be happier for you. >> Thank you. You, too. >> Yeah. >> I love the show. >> and you love me. I know you love me. And.

you're going to end by saying you love. me? >> I'll say it. I'll say it. >> You didn't say it yet. No. >> I love you, Greg. Love you, Greg. >> Love you, Greg. >> Yeah. >> Love you, Greg. >> All right. Love you back. [laughter]. >> Peace out, Tupac.