Charlie Puth (Full Episode) | Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend

Hi, my name is Charlie Puth [music] and. I feel blank about being [laughter]. about being Conan O'Brien's friend. [music]. Hey there. Welcome to Conan O'Brien. Needs a Friend. Uh I'm Conan O'Brien, of. course. Uh and I'm joined by Sona. Obsessian. Hello, Sona. >> Very good to be here. Thanks for having. me. >> And David Hopping is of course filling. in for Matt Gorley. >> Yep. who's uh on paternity leave.

>> forever. >> Still gone. >> He's [laughter]. still gone. >> Listen, I respect a guy. He he takes. fatherhood seriously. I did not. [laughter]. >> Uh when Liza was giving birth to our. first child, I I left mid-contraction to. go back to work. And uh I still haven't. met my daughter, but I'm [laughter] told. she's lovely. >> Yeah, it's very sweet. He spent a lot of. time with his family. >> It's very nice. Uh and that's a familial. bond, which is very important early on. You've got to do it. Uh but he'll return. one day. Um [laughter].

until that time there's much to talk. about. So I had a nice surprise which is. I turn on the TV the other morning. The. TV's just on in the background and they. go and coming up sonum obsessian and it. was uh is it is it what's it called? Good day. >> It's called Good Day. It's on Fox 11. News. It's a local. Yeah. People from LA. know Good Day. It's the thing. And I you. know I was just like I've got to watch. Fox right now. I was just like, I've got. to see my Fox. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You love a local Fox. affiliate. >> I love a Fox affiliate. And that's just.

the way I've always been. And then I. hear we'll be right back with. Sonomassian. >> Yeah. >> And you come on and you have a book. that's coming out fairly soon. Your. first book, which was a smash hit, World's Worst Assistant. >> Um I don't see why it was so popular. because it's just a book about truth. [laughter]. Uh, >> about my time being your assistant. called The World's Worst Assistant. >> You wrote the forward. >> I wrote the forward. [laughter].

>> Um, >> and this is the world's worst mom. >> This one's called World's Worst Mom. It's all about your adventures raising. your uh your two lovely boys, aka. monsters. Um, >> they're lovely. They're lovely. I love. those guys. >> Monsters. They're adorable. >> I love winding them up when they come. here to the office. I drop everything. I'm doing and I chase them around. >> Yeah. >> They get super hyper so they're not. going to go to sleep for six days and. then I say, "Gotta go." And I go into a. recording session [laughter]. >> and I always see your husband Tac.

looking like, "F you, man. Thanks a. thanks for not They're pl They are. plutonium by the time I'm done with. them.". >> They are. They're psychotic. >> I chase them upstairs, downstairs. They. chase me. >> They love it. They love it. So, this is. you on the news sort of obsessian and um. I was thinking I I just I'm sorry I had. to look at that and think look how far. you've come. Amazing. >> I grew up watching Good Day LA and then. I was on it. I've but I also I've never. done live television and I had to be.

very aware of what I talked about. >> Right. You've done a lot of things with. me, but those are on tape and there's. time to pull things up a bit if you get. salty with your language cuz you did. some time in the Navy and you have a. [laughter]. >> you got a mouth on you, sister. Right. And so, um, I was amazed at [laughter]. how professional you were, but almost. like you took classes. >> What do you mean? Like media training.

classes? >> Yeah. Have you ever done that? >> I mean, do you think I've ever done. that? >> I don't know. You have this ability. which you've always had to appear like a. normal person when necessary. >> Yeah. You know what I mean? Like you're. very charming and um you're not dropping. fbombs. You're not uh telling runchy. stories. You are just this glowing uh. >> Well, sometimes when I was working for. you. >> as your assistant, >> there were times when we had to interact. with like actual real people, like.

professional decent people, right? And. so you have to like you have to switch. it up. We can't be like, "Oh, you. you." in front of like, you know, Michelle Obama or like her people. >> We hope not. [laughter]. Jesus. >> But we can't do that. So it's, you know, you have to be good. >> Yeah. >> And professional. And so yesterday I was. on the news. >> I was on the news and I was following. Manny Pacquiao, which was crazy. Yeah. He was on before me. And I uh And yeah,

I had so much fun. And those women I was. on with, one of whom is my friend. Aroxia, and then the other two anchors, everyone was so professional. They're so. like cool, they're fun, they look great. >> Don't you think, and I don't mean to. insert myself in a situation, but don't. you think in a way they had you on to. kind of get to the big dog? Do you know. what I mean? Like, don't was there. anything like, "Oh, so you're here, son. That's great. Is he coming?". >> Oh, they think like you come with me? >> Yeah. >> And then you would just replace me.

No, not replace you, but you have to. look. It's just got to be a thing in. your life where you have to be a little. suspicious that people maybe you're. >> if someone's being nice to you. Oh, it's. just to get to the guy. >> Okay, the guy. >> Listen, you're doing bits about this, but you're also right. You're right. >> Comes to me to get to you. Okay, you. know that I'm gonna get a call tomorrow. from Good Day LA and they're going to be. like, "Well, um, Sona was on, [laughter].

>> so I guess now your turn.". >> Well, yeah, >> right. >> Well, it's kind of like you're at a. feast and there's like scraps falling. and I'm like, "Yay, I get to eat.". [laughter]. >> You just likened yourself to an animal. under the table. [laughter]. But I've always been a barnacle on your. cruise ship and I'm fine with that and I. love it and I get to do things like go. on Good Day LA and that's what I'm. saying. I don't really. >> And you know what I'm going to say? Barnacles are necessary. They serve a. function. >> What? >> I don't know what it is. [laughter].

>> I know they have to be scraped off. religiously. >> They do. >> Uh but they must serve some function. >> No, they don't. That's the whole point. You have to scrape them off. Well, then. you're a barnacle. I'm a barnacle. >> And you know what? It's cool. I feel. like I'm a con man. I have done the. perfect grift and I'm cool with it. I am. perfectly happy with it. >> I will say I'm blown. I mean I every. time I see uh it's Sona. Every time I. see this Sona um out in the world, I'm.

very impressed. You you uh you you look. great. You're very engaging. You're. funny. And the thing I've always said. about you is you don't change when the. camera's on you. You don't change when. you're in here being on the podcast. You. don't change. I swear to God if I. >> made you come out with me at the top of. the Oscars, you would be Sona. You. wouldn't be That is a gift because most. people I I know hardly anyone. You might.

be the you're the most natural person in. every situation. That's pretty cool. >> Thank you. And you know, a few weeks. ago, I did a keynote speech at the. writer's workshop in Dayton, the Irma. Bombbeck Writer Workshop. I wrote a. speech and I I remember I sent you a. text cuz you're doing the Harvard. commencement speech this year. And I was. like, if you need help, >> I'm writing a champion. Speech. You're a. speech champion. And you bring that up a. lot that you're a speech champion. >> I bring it up every almost every day. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's had a huge impact on your.

life. >> kind of. >> Yeah. I mean, I'm doing this for a. living, which is just talking. >> This isn't couldn't be a living. >> This is my living. This is literally my. life. >> Do you get paid as my assistant? >> Do you still get paid as my assistant? >> Yes, I do. >> OH MY GOD. [screaming]. >> OH my god. >> Oh my god. >> Back in October, I had to go to a. wedding. She covered me for two days. >> I covered him for two days. Remember, we.

went to the eye doctor. That's why you. pay me. >> Why did you go to the eye doctor? >> Why did you go? You went to the eye. >> Your eyes were like watering. >> Oh, that's right. They were watering and. then it turned out they said you're. having an emotion. [laughter]. >> That That's how repressed I am. I said. my eyes are watering and they anything. happened? Well, you know, my parents. died last year and also this sad thing. happened [laughter]. and they said that's called crying. >> But I do things sometimes. I don't I. actually don't I don't do anything. That's an incredible. And this is we.

have just we just I just saw this rock. I was walking through the forest and I. saw this rock and I just lifted it up. and I saw. [laughter]. scandal, depravity, injustice. [laughter]. Um and uh and I quickly put the rock. down. But if you think we're not. revisiting this rock and lifting it up. again, you're sorely mistaken because. this is a scandal. And I want I want Sue. Lane in here. I want Sarah Federovich in. here. I want to open the books on this.

thing because I think you're committing. a crime. >> How dare you? I was. >> How dare you? How dare me? >> The fallout from being your assistant. >> has been that I am attached to you for. the rest of your life. So for the rest. of your life, you're paying me to be. your assistant. No, I'm not. >> I'm going to investigate this. I'm going. to get into the weeds. Uh this is a. crime. This is a crime at every level. It is. Uh, and we're going to have to. figure out. I mean, yeah. I mean, unbelievable. Unbelievable.

>> I still get notifications when it's. someone's birthday. I don't do anything. with the notifications, but I get them. >> Oh, yeah. >> Did you get a notification about this. Saturday? My birthday. [laughter]. >> Hey, I think the barnacle should learn. the birthday of the cruise ship it's. been hanging out on. [laughter]. You had no idea. Oh, I get notifications. about important birthdays. Oh, yeah. How. about this Saturday? Oh. [laughter].

WHOA. >> OH, I mean, >> you just remember. You don't need a. notification cuz it's just. >> it's there. I always know it. I have it. tattooed on my leg. >> No. Yeah. >> April 18th. Thumbs up. >> All right. Uh, listen. >> Shut up, Blle. [laughter]. >> Wow. We've exposed so much crime. The. Rot Goes Deep. [laughter] The Rot Goes. Deep. All right. My guest today is a. singer songwriter whose fourth studio.

album, Whatever's Clever, is out now. Very excited to chat with this. gentleman, Charlie Puth. Welcome. >> Is this a first? I think uh after 35. years of doing this podcast for the. first time, uh our guest Charlie Puth. has a uh has a keyboard in front of you, which is really cool and may become. mandatory for everyone. >> I may just say even if they most people. won't play the keyboard, but I'll insist.

that it be there and that they take a. few stabs at it. >> Yeah, >> it kind of colors my words a little bit. more. Like if I'm if I have like a. really good idea. >> Oh, [laughter]. if I'm introspect. Okay. But let me let me ask you. something. What if I start to speak and. things get menacing? Let me tell you. something, Charlie. >> I'm going to switch it to the piano. here. >> Let me tell you something, Charlie. >> I don't like you and I don't like what. you stand for. [laughter]. I've never liked these musicians, these.

prodigies. And I'm going to kill you. [laughter]. >> Now, let's have a get happy. Wait a. minute. I'm off my meds. But now I'm. back on my meds again, Charlie. >> Because now we're in C major and you. don't end up killing [laughter] me. >> That's good. See, I'm I'm draw I'm I'm. in it now. >> You're in it now. Um lovely to have you. here. There is so much to talk about. Uh. you're on fire at the moment. Um you've. got this great album out.

>> Thank you. and uh and I'm very excited. to have you here. >> uh because I just want to talk about. something. First of all, it's called. Whatever's Clever. You've got some great. tracks. Um first of all, this is crazy, but one of your tracks is Don't Meet. Your Heroes, and yet here you are. [laughter] High five, Sona. >> I don't. have to. >> Uh I love I Used to be Cringe. I was. listening to I That actually might be my. favorite song on the album. It's a. really good song. And you talk about how. you um.

Is that ass. don't play more than 6 seconds of a. song, but I'll let you play. I I'll I'll. give the rights to you or whatever the. it is. >> No, you [laughter] just Wait a minute. You just gave me the rights to a Charlie. Poo song. >> You idiot. [laughter] AND THAT'S A. VERBAL CONTRACT. THAT'S WHAT I'M my new scam is going to. be getting, you know, Billy Isish in. here, getting Taylor Swift in here, getting Sabrina Carpenter here, and then. having them blurt out, okay, you can. have the rights, [laughter].

>> and then overnight I've got seven yachts. strapped together. >> I don't know if I used to be cringe. going to give you seven yachts, but. [laughter]. >> I really like it. Um, I identify with. the song, though mine would not be past. tense. I remain cringe. Well, mine isn't. past tense either, but [laughter] still. >> Uh, and then I love this. One of my. favorite people was Jeff Goldblum. You. have a collab on a song called Until It. Happens to You. And I thought, oh, cuz I. know Jeff's a musician, this is going to. be Jeff playing.

>> When you get to his part, which would. normally be like rap or singing a a solo. part, >> it's him talking and it's fantastic. It's It's a great uh 10 CC shot of pure. Gold Bloom. >> in the song. >> It's He's like, "Well, boys, if if if I. were to tell you that kind of sounds. like Howard [laughter] Stern, >> that's good though. That's good. >> But like it's a song about um reacting. to losing a loved one." And it it's it's.

kind of it's kind of like a disguise and. like very happy very happy chords, but. it's just like it's about death. [music]. It's about death and [laughter] and Jeff. Goldblum like will he made us all cry in. the in the studio because he just like. started speaking to his kids who weren't. there but like speaking to us like we. were his kids and it felt like the end. of a a movie where the credits kind of. slowly trickle down and everyone's. walking away into the sunset down the. yellow road. You know, I liked um first. of all, it's Goldlum who's got the most.

distinctive I he's up there with. Christopher Walkin and a couple of other. iconic people who have such a. distinctive way of speaking and it's. almost the part of the song where. someone would scat and he is kind of. scatting but it's then I realized that's. just how Jeff Goldblum talks. Let me. tell you something. Oh yeah. And he's. doing that and you realize that oh this. is a version of jazz. What is and it's. just the way Jeff Goldblum talks. >> Absolutely it is. And I, you know, I. strive to find the most melodic people. on uh on anything that I any project.

that I make. And. >> yes, I'll do it. [laughter]. >> Wait, I'm sorry. I thought that was my. next question. >> I thought that was an invite. I've got. the rights to one song and now I'm going. to be in another song. [laughter]. >> You're This is the worst day for your. career ever. >> Spending a lot of money. >> I said you were on fire and you are, but. it ends here. >> I'm like negative like $26. [laughter]. Um, I've got to mention, we'll talk more. about the album in a second, but um, and.

when I say a second, I mean towards the. end of the interview. Um, but you killed. the national anthem at the Super Bowl. And you got a lot of very hard song to. sing. >> It is. It's a very hard song, he said, being a comedian, not a musician. But. I've always heard the trick is. um, and the rockets red glare takes such. a big leap. Who owns the national. anthem? I'm sure Trump has it now. But. [laughter]. >> no, he bought the rights like six week,

you know, when no one was looking. >> But what what um I've always heard the. secret is to start low. >> Mhm. Well, that's what I would do. I. would be like, "Oh, say can I would. start down there.". >> So, you were doing it in C major. Oh, sir. >> Say can you. So, then when I go up to. have the rockets red, I can. >> You'd have to go octave up from Oh, sir. Actually, no. You're correct. Oh, >> I have. >> I was right, wasn't I? >> Say, can you see.

the rockets red glare? Well, you have to. It feels so patriotic. >> Yeah. >> In this moment. Well, I mean, visually, if I can represent the reason why it's. hard to sing is because like you start. if you're going to start here and then. you have to. >> go here and then you have to actually go. >> Yes. >> up here at the middle end of at the end. of the song. So you don't get a break. >> When I see someone start the national. anthem too high, ho ho say. I'm like, you're dead. You are dead. [laughter].

>> And I say that, I start screaming at the. TV. You're dead. >> Yeah, cuz then you have to awkwardly. change keys. Um, nobody comes to mind. because everybody nails the national. anthem, obviously. [laughter]. But Oh, I bet you have some. >> No, everyone. seem like too nice a guy. But you know, I know in your head right. now there are some names of people. >> we're all thinking of. >> But you're correct. When you start. specific one. Yeah. >> What's that? >> Fergie. >> I'm trying to get off the exit here.

When [laughter]. >> when you. didn't say anything, Charlie, and I. didn't say anything. What are you. saying, Sona? >> Fergie. She famously went crazy. She. went buck wild with the Star Spangled B. >> Did she start too high? >> I don't know. Don't ask me. I don't I. don't know. I'm I think I'm. >> Sarah Ferguson, the Duchess OF YORK. >> YES. YES. [laughter] SARAH FERGUSON. >> OKAY. WELL, she had no business singing. the national anthem. >> I know. I agree. >> Um. >> London Bridge is a fantastic. [laughter]. >> And again, not it stays stays in a.

restrained range. If I'm ever asked to. sing the national anthem, and I know. it's it hasn't happened yet, >> but I'm still very young in my career. >> It's coming. >> It's coming. Thanks, Charlie. I will start low. I will start low. >> Yeah, but you're you are correct in your. assessment. You don't want to start like. say because then you have to go. >> I wonder how high I could start and. still hit it. Oh, say can you see by the. dy what we are?

Here we go. >> [screaming]. [crying]. >> a modernday Mini Ripperton. [laughter]. >> You know what? You ran out of keyboard. There were and I saw you pull some extra.

white keys out of your pocket [laughter]. and glue them. >> I had to I had to really drive this. up. I You got really loud there for. [laughter] a second. >> Uh yeah, it's insane. It's insane. But I. >> It's kind of like a cross between Tiny. Tim and like Freddy Mercury. [laughter]. >> Oh, how dare you. >> Yeah. Yeah, it was. It's a very good. musical analysis. [laughter] I had my. testicles removed six weeks ago in. preparation for this interview. [laughter]. And I'm told they might be able to. reattach them. Might. If they can find.

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for more details. You perform a great. service which is I just want to make. sure I get the title right. Yeah. >> Professor Puth Tik Tok series. You have. this Tik Tok series that I enjoy because. I'm an amateur um musician and I like to. play around with guitar and I like to. try and make music with other musicians. in my way. >> Uh lot of um qualifiers there. >> You're a musician. You're downplaying. it. Well, I I love doing it. It's a big.

part of my like private uh hobby life, >> but I've always been phobic about. theory. >> And yeah, >> and I've I was phobic about math when I. was a kid. And when people would bring. up math, I would think I'm not smart. I. can't do this. And I would shut down. about math. >> And I'm the same way when people bring. up theory. I love to mess around on the. guitar. And then when someone says, "Well, that's interesting." That's the. relative minor. So you can take the. relative minor, but remember if you play.

the flat, remember there are three. flats. I just black out. >> I do too. >> You do? Really? >> Absolutely. I do. I'm not just saying. that to make you feel better. I I really. I I I remember there's a, you know, soulfetch do. >> that is put in place so you can know. It's like a it's built as a reference. for singers. So like do Oh, now it's a. toy piano sound. Yeah. [laughter]. >> Good job, Schroeder. This is C is do and then F is F, but I. don't need.

>> do F. Like it's it's an extra effort for. me to remember that. I just know it's C. and F. So I would go to my teacher and. be like, I don't know how to read. Soulfetz. She was like, well, you have. to know how to read Soulfetz. You're in. Soulfetz class. [laughter]. >> I don't like the way this teacher talked. to you. >> Yeah. >> And I was like, if you don't know how to. read it [laughter] properly, you have to. go to Soulfetz 3. like but and I would. hold up the piece of paper but like I. can sing and play back every note. perfectly cuz I I don't need the. reference. I have it in my head. She. said it doesn't matter. You have to go. back to three. So I I I share that with.

you where I would get nervous with uh. all the mechanics and theory. >> You have this great you know I use the. term origin story a lot on the podcast. but you have this moment you're. interested in music clearly and you know. you have a facility with music. >> Have I made it clear? I don't [laughter]. Well, there was a keyboard in front of. you, which Alpuccino did not have. Um, but you uh you went to Catholic school. >> I did. Yeah.

>> And um you had a moment in Catholic. school when is this correct? An. organist, someone who who played the. organ for you guys at in a you know at a. mass or something wasn't present. >> Do we have an organ sound? I don't think. we do. But yeah. Did we get you this or. did you bring it? >> I brought it just cuz it has my initial. CP on it. >> It's not my piano. I just um it's it's. it's tiny enough where it's not super. >> You're that self involved that you need. your name [laughter]. on everything.

>> Very narcissistic. >> Okay. I saw your license plate on your. car when you drove. It's puth rules. >> Yes. [laughter]. >> Puth's in here. >> Yeah. But yes, the church organists show. up and they were going to play it. Um it. was the time of uh life where they would. play things on tape. I don't even know. if that exists anymore, but they were. going to play the whole mass on tape and. awkwardly pause it and they sometimes. wouldn't pause it correctly. And and. then I was like, I I just I know the. whole um uh mass from memory. I've heard.

the songs uh so many times I because I. thought it was like if you look at a a. cup with a deer on it, you're going to. remember what the deer looks like. If. you you know uh have a a bit that you. have to memorize, like it's if you read. it enough, you're going to remember. eventually if you read it enough times. I thought that was the same thing for. everybody just with sound. Um, and. apparently it wasn't typical and that's. how I discovered it. >> Yeah, that's a it's funny that you you. thought um well, wait a minute. Okay, the organist is in here, the person who. was supposed to play, but.

>> how can I make this about me? >> Yeah. [laughter]. Well, I would do that, but then have. nothing to back it up. Um, but you. thought to yourself, I Oh, I've heard. these a bunch of times, so I'll just go. up and play them. And you didn't know. that was unusual. >> No, I didn't because again, I thought it. was just like if you study for a. vocabulary test, if you need to memorize. the definition of whatever, then not the. word whatever. I know what actually what. is the definition of.

>> Anywh who, you [laughter] read you read. a bunch of definitions. you're going to. memorize them because you heard it so. many or you read it so many times. I I. attribute it the same feeling with. sound. If I hear a James Taylor song 10. times, I'm going to know it. >> right away. >> Right. It's interesting. I think I'm. actually pretty good at hearing. something. and then over the years having my own. band and the late night shows for years, sometimes I would say, "Oh, let's, you. know, let's let's play that song. I.

heard it and I really love it." So Jim. Vino who's brilliant and Max wine they. would go off and they would come back. and they'd say here it is and they'd. play it and I'd go yeah but that part. isn't right and I would just and I think. probably a lot of us have that I don't. know how to translate that musically but. I would just kind of know that's not. quite the way that it plays on the radio. uh or that I heard on tape or whatever. CD. Yeah. >> And they would um it endlessly. fascinates me. That's why I. >> that fascinates me too. >> I love your Tik Toks. I really love your.

Tik Toks because and this is where it. all started. >> I love when you explain something that. I've been hearing and it's around but. now you're explaining. >> um why so many songs sound like this. I. remember watching one, I forget what. it's called, but that whole trend in. music where there's a a soft and a loud, a soft and a loud and a soft and a loud. oscillating and it's become such. >> a side chain compression. >> Side chain compression, which we. the.

>> That was so cool. >> Yes. >> Sorry. >> Do you want me to do it again? Oh, you. mean what Charlie did? >> What Charlie was doing? I don't know. >> She meant what Charlie was doing. musically was the one you were. interested in. >> That's what I like. Were you trying to. beatbox? What were you doing? I was. choking on a chicken bone. >> Okay, that that that makes sense. >> But so no, but what you were doing was. you start explaining what that is and I. realized I have heard that a million. times and and you it's always associated. with like a club. >> It's in like every uh you know episode. of Euphoria. There's people crying.

[laughter]. >> crying with uh lots of makeup and it's. like. whenever you do it please I don't want. to do it again. [laughter]. Sounds like a pig in distress or. something. >> Son, I don't understand. You really love. this, don't you? When I do this, oink. oink. >> Yeah, that's exactly what you do it. Please, Charlie, I beg you. >> So, everybody unders like if you went up. to someone on Larchmont right now and. was like, "What what what does dance. music sound like?" They would go they. would put their hands if you're in New. Jersey, they would put their hands in. the other be like.

But my go my my goal is to so everyone. knows that that's like you know the. broad terminology of like what dance. music sounds like. But my goal is to. like take it one step further for people. for them to understand that that all. that is is just volume automation you. know like. >> right that's just me falling rising. falling rising. >> rising falling and it's just volume down. volume up volume down volume up. >> But then what's cool is you talk about. how a lot of people would think okay. that's in club music now. Yes it is. But. you'll say, well, they were doing it in.

the 70s with or in the 60s with this, then the 70s they, you know, Donna. Summer. >> It wasn't as obvious, though. It was. just more of like a. >> a way to, it was more of like a really. secret engineering trick to, >> right, a little spice that they were. putting in and not telling anybody. >> And then everyone exaggerates it more. and more and more. It's like any so many. other things in music. You can hear. >> you can hear uh something's going on in. >> Sunession Records.

>> in the 19 in 1954 555. >> and it's. >> now we can say well it's kind of just. sounds. >> um kind of very much country but at the. time it sounded very different to people. because and then people just kept. tweaking it and tweaking it and it. became. >> Yeah. >> You know. >> I mean everybody wants more of what they. like. So, I mean, the first time you. heard. >> uh like when when I first heard uh the. black album Metallica, like sad but. true,

the the that the really bright '9s Lars. like a motorcycle like metal uh. kind of kind of sound. Then I started. here that that came from or might have. been inspired by like living on a prayer. boni or another mut lang record where. they were experimenting well but where. did what came before living on a prayer. uh I'm generalizing like in the air. tonight Phil Collins big Peter Gabriel.

Phil Collins gated drum sounds. everything you can trace the thing cool. thing about music is that you can trace. everything back to something. >> yes there's nobody and that's the thing. that's true of I mean my business has. been comedy and it is so important for. people to know. >> no one's coming along with a fresh. slate. Everybody is is coming to their. >> call it a craft, call it a pastime, call. it a career, whatever. They're all.

coming to it with this gumbo that they. grew up eating, >> you know, that was just a mix of so many. other influences. And um everybody's. starting with that. >> So you could, you know, you could say, "Oh my god, the I like the most hardcore. thrash metal.". >> Yeah. >> But those guys will tell you, "Well, actually, I was listening to, you know, Ario Speedwagon in high school." And. you'll be like, "Wait a minute, Ario. Speedwagon." And I'm making this up.

because I don't think that's possible. >> No, but I like. >> But you know what I mean? They they. heard something in that that then they. extrapolated and pulled out and got to. where they wanted to go. >> Like do do you remember the first time. you ever saw I guess the video or the of. like Kenisonson at uh Dangerfields like. when he just got up there and started. >> yelling. >> yelling. Yeah. Yeah. >> Had anybody done that in comedy before. where they just like I just got back. from a seven. I was saying Marble like. like I Dice had his like you know.

cigarette behind the ear kind of like. stickick and everything like that but. like where. >> did that come from the Eddie Murphy. thing? Did that come from a like there. Brian Rean not cursing at all in his in. in his bits? I don't know if you're. enemies of these people or if. >> No, [laughter]. I hope you're friendly with all of them. >> You've not named an enemy yet, but if. you keep going No, I don't I don't have. enemies. Um, >> I would listen to like 2005 Dne Cook. where he's cursing all over the place, but then I'd hear like a couple years. prior Brian Rean where he wasn't. It was.

like maybe he was listening to that, but. just like added in the curses for like. extra effect. Like I I think a lot of. comedians are also musicians too because. I think that's there's a lot of. parallels. Well, we talk about this a. lot. Uh, I bring it up a lot because it. fascinates me. Um, everyone in comedy. uh envies musicians, I believe, whether. they consciously or unconsciously do it. I very consciously um envy musicians. because I I always look at. a musician as um someone who's not.

judged moment to moment and I envy that. but but. >> well [laughter]. no but but not when I'm saying moment to. moment I mean when you start and you. play one of your songs. >> people aren't boiling I like this part. oh no I don't like that part oh but I. like this part again oh but I don't like. this part now that's not how they think. about music. Um, and that is very much. >> comedy is moment to moment. Like you get.

a laugh and then you you do another. thing and like less of a laugh. >> and then sometimes like and then like oh. yeah and I don't think that happens. >> in music. And I think I've always envied. >> you know if you go out and play your. hits. >> um everyone's going to be so happy the. whole time. Springsteen's back out there. now. >> with the East Street Band and I think. >> I got to go to that show. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be amazing. But no one's no one's. >> no one's saying, "Okay, I like this this.

part of this song. Oh, I don't like this. part as much." I But no comic ever gets. to the point where they're not judged, I. think, moment to moment. In my opinion, >> there are moments I'm sure I'm sure. Bruce has had fans who are like, "Do we. have to hear the rising one more. time? Do we have to let's get to glory. days? Let's get to I've I was I just put. out an album and of course I'm like any. artist that says that they're not.

reading reviews or scouring the internet. is lying. I am like I I look at this I. look at these reviews as much as my. child. I'm [laughter]. >> And you nurture them. You nurture them. >> I I take them too seriously sometimes. My wife tells me to stop looking at. them. I I I saw this one and everyone's. entitled to their opinion. I saw this. one review saying that Charlie just put. out an album and it is just another. soulless attempt at trying to be an. artist. And that really hurt my feelings.

because I actually I put my my heart and. soul in this and I didn't make this. album to make a bunch of hit songs. I. wanted to actually talk about you know. uh fatherhood, my family and like and. other things like that and they were. like boo doesn't have a catchy hook. It's like I've had and I you know I had. my song attention you just want to just. I had that song out. It was a number one. record and we couldn't sell 3,000. tickets in I think it was Chicago. It. was like 2,000 tickets. 2,000 people is.

a lot, but. >> it was a tour meant for 5, 6,000 people. I've had hit songs out. People knew the. hits more than they knew me. My goal on. this album was for people to know me. Yeah. >> And I' and and sometimes I get jealous. of comedians because, you know, their. personality. Like when I first time I. saw um uh Ralphie May, it's like I. became obsessed with like uh uh Greg. Geraldo and like I just I felt like I. knew their personality. >> Yeah. >> They both passed, haven't they?

>> Yeah. That's okay. >> Oh man. I just named two people that. passed. [laughter]. >> That's okay. It happens. You know, >> but you know what I mean? Like I I know. you're I feel like I know you because. I've obviously grown up watching you and. like I your delivery. It's like you you. are who you portray yourself to be and. whereas a musician it takes a couple of. years for people to get to know you. unless you just nail it right out of the. park. That's interesting to me that you. um and it makes perfect sense that. you have worked with so many great.

artists and then you yourself have had. so many hits and people know your name. and now you're saying, "Yeah, I I really. want to get into the autobiographical. part of songwriting and and have people. connect to you that way." That makes. perfect sense to me. As far as critics. go, there's no escaping criticism. And. um. I got to a point in my career where I.

don't look for it. Uh I have, you know, sometimes you are just confronted. whether you want to know it or not with. the good. >> a and the bad. But, and usually people. tell you if there's something really. mean about you out there, you'll find. out cuz you're garbage man. We'll say, "Hey, did you see that?" You know, uh, and I'll say, "Well, I I didn't, but. thank you. Um, [laughter]. I don't think you're the worst. in the world.".

Well, I appreciate that. [laughter] Uh, >> why are you eating so much dairy? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Now, the dairy is another issue. [laughter] We'll talk about the dairy. Um, >> it's coating your stomach for the. morning. >> Yeah. >> Uh, but I think that I I would agree. with your I would agree with your wife. that you don't I don't think it's. necessary to seek it out because you. know when you're doing work that you.

like that's important to you. And so. that's why I would agree with her. >> that you going on the internet and. looking for what do people think about. Charlie Puth is unnecessary. >> Everybody knows it though. >> I mean it's and and I totally agree with. you. It is completely unnecessary. But. like it's it's almost like it's almost. like high school. You just like want. validation sometimes. You poured your. heart and soul into this and you just. want people to like at least like take a. listen to it and understand. But and. there are so many there's millions of.

people that already have. I'm coming. across as if I'm scolding you or telling. you this is ridiculous. I completely. understand what you're saying, but I've. spent a lifetime around people uh that. are looking for validation. and then they're like, "Well, first I. got to do this soldout series of. concerts at Madison Square Garden. Um, and then I'm getting kned in uh in. England and then I have to go to Spain. where they're actually making me a.

member of the royal family. [laughter]. Um, you know, and it's just one of these. funny things about human beings. And. trust me, >> anytime I do anything, I think this is. the test of whether I'm any good or not. And I recalibrate every time I set all. the clickers back to zero. I think you. guys could agree that. >> all the clickers go back to zero. And. it's like you're giving a small toast at. a [laughter]. at a Christmas party. Yes, I know. Um.

but these are good friends of mine and. this has to be the greatest toast of all. time. And if it isn't, I'm nothing. So. I'm telling you that yes, we're all. ridiculous people. But at the same time, because I'm not you, I can say um that. you do not need to be hunting on the. internet uh and reading. Oh, good. Someone wrote something nasty. I need to. read every single word of it because. >> I don't think it serves you. It doesn't. serve your creativity. I don't think.

it's doing anything. >> No, it doesn't. >> And you don't know what that person's. going through, >> which is. >> they, you know, they made it. They. wanted to do what you're doing possibly. or they have biases. Of course they do. >> I've exper I've had interactions like. that before. There was this like. bartender who was very rude to me and. then I I was I was I'm never rude to. people like because I I I I always have. that like mentality of like they might. be going through something and it turns. out that like he didn't get into the. school that I went to and like it's he.

was very well aware that I went to that. school. It all had to do. >> very little with the fame aspect with. the school aspect and I then I ended up. having a great conversation with him. about music. >> Right. Was this Berkeley? Those are. somewhere in Woodstock, Vermont. >> But I mean, was the school Berkeley? >> Oh, the school was Berkeley. Yeah. You. ever [clears throat] been to Woodstock, Vermont? >> Yes, I have. >> Gorgeous. >> Yeah. Beautiful. >> New England. >> And yet this person's living in. beautiful Woodstock, Vermont, and. they're bitter. >> and angry. You know, >> maybe not anymore.

>> No, [laughter]. I think after they they already had a. resentment towards you, then they met. you and you were really nice. >> Yeah. >> He's twice as bitter now. [laughter]. >> And he's nice. >> Yeah. He should have been a dick is what. you're saying. >> If you'd been a dick, then this guy. would have be so happy right now. I'm. glad I'm not him. [laughter] Then I'd be. a dick. But now he's I mean, he's. probably not alive anymore. I'm just. going to put it [laughter] out there. >> Oh god. >> This took a turn. >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I think there's a. good chance that person no longer walks.

the earth and it's your fault. But. anyway, let's move on. God. [laughter]. Um, I I've got to get into music cuz I I. [laughter] can't be a comedian anymore. >> You're sick. >> I'm just a broken man. >> You're so sick. [laughter]. >> But, um, >> it's going to be fine. >> It's like when you watch the sitcom and. you hear like, you know, the. >> they're there, everything's [laughter]. going to be okay. And then and then you. hear the audience clapping like a and. then and then you have to and then like.

cousin uncle Jesse comes in and you have. to some some sort of like comedic break. like anybody want to go get tacosh. [laughter] and then the credits. roll. Going on tour. >> Going on tour. And this is a big tour. [laughter]. >> Big tour. >> What's the name of is it named after. your your album? It is the Whatever's. Clever World Tour and I will be uh on. stage with my band and they're the best. band in the mu in the music industry.

>> They make me sound so good and it's just. a joy to share the stage with them every. single night. You have to come to a. show. I would love to come to a show. >> You come to the form show. >> and maybe uh if you want me to come out, >> sing a song. I knew I know this is. coming so I want to save you the. embarrassment. >> No, I'm serious now. You just you throw. out a key cuz I also have perfect pitch. >> I feel like you actually might. >> Comedically. I have perfect pitch. I. never Oh, wait. I just did that thing. about a guy killing himself. >> Yeah, you do. [laughter].

>> So, what's another song that we might. all know that you like? Uh, like you. know, something in the way she moves. James Taylor, Sweet Caroline, Neil. Diamond. What's. >> it? I was mocking him with I was doing a a. pitbull thing earlier. >> I wrote a Pitbull song. Did which one? >> It didn't do very well, but I wrote one. It was called uh Oh god. It was part of. a movie. This was back in 2014. >> Was it Men in Black? >> It was Men in Black. It was uh No, it. was called Celebrate. And it was a I.

just want to celebrate. And then he did. his thing. And we've been around the. world. Same song. I'm Pit B. [laughter]. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm Pit B. And I'm here to. say I'm going to rock the USA. Um. [laughter] Oh my god. I was driving in to work today and I was. flipping around FM radio, which I never. do, just randomly, and I heard this song. and I'm like, "What is that?" And they. were whoever the rapper was, I found out. later on it's Pitbull was sampling baby,

you're the one with this 19 late 50s or. 60s hit. >> And I um. >> What is this what is that song called? Because what I was going to ask you is. if you can sing a song that you like and. see if it's actually in the key of what. the song actually is. >> I'm going to sing um has runaway and. we're going to get in trouble because we. can't uh do these songs but. >> expensive guest that I am. >> Yeah, what I forget. >> Well, don't even sing don't even sing. the first song. Sing the first note of a.

song that you like. >> Uh well, let me see. Um wow, this is. incredible. Uh like uh do you know Sweet. Caroline? Sweet Caroline. >> Yeah. Not so well. I mean I hear the way. the Boston Red Sox crowd sings it and um. [laughter]. we know they've been drinking and. they've got 40 Days. You you sing a lot. >> I want to give you 40 Days. That's uh. Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks. 40 Days. >> How about a Jack White song? >> Jack going to be friends.

>> Ideally a song I know so I can see if. he's correct. >> If you know we are going to be friends. Fall is here. I hear the. >> Oh, you're stumping. I usually know. every song. >> Okay. It's a very famous song and I'm. ashamed of you. Um [laughter]. >> uh we we can we we can get off it if you. want, but like I just I feel like I want. to hear this. >> Cupid by Sam. >> Cupid. Draw back your WHAT THE. >> WHAT THE IS WRONG WITH YOU? >> I DON'T KNOW that song. I don't know. >> Die so that you could live. [laughter]. What.

>> I mean, we got to bring it up in the. current time. What about a beetle song? >> Oh, yeah. Bele song. >> Well, of course we all know those. Help. I need somebody help. I think that's B. minor it starts off in. >> Yes, it is. Okay. So, I need some Is. that Did I just sing in B minor? >> Well, you're doing it in D minor. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I fixed it. [laughter]. >> The be I often fix beetle songs. >> You know, you know the first chords of B. minor, so you definitely have some extra. recollection that. >> I do. I remember that.

>> That's fascinating. >> Okay, I'll admit something. You talk. about this song where you. >> make fun of your prior self or. >> Yes. >> and and talk about how I used to be. cringe. >> And I I think one of the reasons I. identify with that song is that. >> I always want on this podcast to. underscore that that is the human. condition. It's not the Conan O'Brien. condition. It's not the Charlie Puth. It. is the human condition that we um are.

very self-critical and we think the. former our former selves were. illegitimate and then we've slowly. worked our way to legitimacy or we're. not quite there yet but we will be. someday. And I think that's just a. fallacy. I think we. >> So your song was about how I used to do. this. I used to wear my hair. differently. I used to try and throw out. these words to to seem cool. And I. think, yeah, this song is is special was was. resonated with me just because.

um I think I do that about musicians. I. think they're real, >> you know, they're real because you can. sit here and you can make magic with. this keyboard and you can. >> write these songs that two billion. people will listen to. And I think, oh, that's many, many levels above what a. comedian does. And I think a lot of. comedians do that. I think a lot of us. lower ourselves around musicians. We. because I just I think we we put.

musicians on a pedestal and maybe. rightfully so. >> Lower yourself. You just sang the. national anthem, right? I mean, I think [laughter] but I I I. >> didn't sing it as high as I think I. could sing it. >> But this this is very I didn't know that. this was going to be so introspective. This is very continuous. >> I'm sorry. won't I won't every now and. then some real stuff breaks out here and. we try to clean it up in editing and add. fart sounds. >> Why do you think you the comedians will. lower themselves when. >> I think comedians are all about uh. they're welldefended.

>> You know, they're it's all about um. >> they keep the conversation moving. >> Keep the conversation moving. Um slip. and move and make fun of yourself before. someone else can make fun of you. There's a lot of tricks that we all. employ. >> because really we're just protecting. ourselves. A lot of m a lot of really. funny comedians grew up not being able. to fight and this is what we could do. >> And so it literally is kind of a a. weapon. It's a survival mechanism. And. these aren't new observations. This is. as old as time. But I do think that um.

a lot of comedians can grow up thinking, "Yeah, I do this because I literally had. to to. um make my mark or survive in some way.". Not literally survive, but survive these. social situations. >> And then music just feels so instantly. >> like, "Oh my god, that's great. Do more. of that." You know, when you come across. someone who's playing the piano really.

well, you just think instantly, "Oh my. God, that's like God is speaking through. them." And I don't think we think that. way about comedy. God is not speaking. through me. And if he was, God should be. sued. [laughter]. >> But you know what I mean? And so I'm I'm. not This isn't false modesty. This is. what I really believe is that when. someone is playing with. these um sounds and manipulating them in. a way and creating these patterns.

seemingly without effort. I know there's. a lot of practice involved. They know. there's a lot of work, but when they sit. down and they're just messing around and. you see the film Get Back. >> the recut uh recut version of Let It Be. when you see that and you see Paul. McCartney sitting with his bass and he's. frustrated because they need a song and. he just starts over and over again. >> banging and then you see it become the. song Get Back. >> Yeah. through sheer force of will and.

creativity and he does it in real time. and it's this song that again is in my. head and I could make noises to simulate. it. >> Um. >> I know the scene you're talking about. >> Yeah. And he's just there with his I. mean they're like they need something. and he just keeps with a bass which I. did not think of as a songwriter's. >> instrument. I think it's guitar or it's. often keyboard or piano. But he's there. with a bass and he's just and he's like, "Okay, yeah, yeah, I see what it is now.

It's. don't sing too much, you'll have to. pay." McCartney isn't cheap. [laughter]. And McCartney will he he's monitoring. this stuff right now himself. He listens. to this podcast cuz he knows, >> right? >> I got you. I got you. Um, [laughter] see. what you done. >> Cuz he's the master of none of this is. like all all of this is not even about. me. It's not for if if a musician the. reason. well not the reason this is how I'll say. it the musicians that make it all about. themselves are the first to fall in my.

opinion because like it's not this I. didn't invent this chord this is like. some god particle thing and then we. apply our human experience and the. chords the. >> like that sounds ugly but like when you. put [music]. >> like it starts to resolve like that that. >> does something that that can make. anybody if there were a hundred people. in here and. played like a fire alarm. Everybody. would like, you know, wse and cover. their ears. But you can they're not. going to do that if I do.

and be like they're not going to there's. a difference. Like you can do that. That's a very primitive example, but. like you can do that through intervals. and chords. And then it's our goal as. humans and job as humans to to to to put. our experience in what was made for us. already. >> Yeah. >> The stage was set. >> You know, it's interesting. The parallel. that I always find is because there are. certain rules that exist obviously in. Greek tragedy. I mean the the Greeks. invented so much great salad by the way.

[clears throat] Um. >> Oh jeez. >> But um I just looked at Sona cuz she's. per Greek. Um [laughter]. >> like I invented the salad. >> Well, your people did and I'm proud of. you. >> You're welcome. >> My gut feels amazing every time I eat. what [laughter] you've made. >> You're welcome. Um welcome. >> But you know there's dramatic structure. There's dramatic structure and if you. look you know plays um novels any story. has a dramatic structure. Sitcoms have a. structure. Uh um you know and then you.

look at a lot of it is creating tension. and then resolving tension. And that's. what so much of music is is, you know, you then you're on the E, you're on the, you know, and then you get back to the A. and you're just like there's this. feeling of. >> Yeah. >> happy. Happy. sad. [music]. >> Yeah. Happy. >> Mhm. >> Tension, resolve. >> Yeah. And it's just I I think it's the. soundtrack for uh most mood stabilizer.

commercials is, you know, [laughter]. someone's I don't feel good. I don't. feel good. Then you tried Millastra, you. know, and then [laughter]. Yeah. Yeah. Same words and it's usually. a ukulele or something. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then [laughter]. >> and then all the side effects. >> Yeah. Yeah. Side effects include massive. diarrhea. More diarrhea. Your diarrhea. will have diarrhea. [laughter]. Um people near you will have diarrhea. And it's called sympathetic diarrhea.

They changed the key. Yeah, they changed. the key a bit. Also, diarrhea in a. higher key. [laughter]. But you know that I do think that that's. >> diarrhea in a higher key is what the. tour [laughter] should be called. I'm. going on tour or just open with that. song. >> Um I think it's cashmere, you know. >> Yeah, we really got to be careful cuz. Jimmy Paige [laughter]. Jimmy Paige is on the same He's watching. on the same Zoom with Sir Paul. Um.

[laughter]. >> Oh, there he goes. Um, that's a song. that stays forever and then it's I mean. these are very simple elemental changes, you know, and I don't know I I I don't. know that song that well. It's not in my. head, but you know, it's like it's in. it's almost like it's in E for a long. time and then it goes to E7. And so you. can sort of see like the ice is starting. to break and it's it's agonizingly long. and then suddenly it goes to like A. And. every time that happens, every time I.

hear it in any context, I think I've just seen the face of God. And it's the simplest move in the world, but that is I think what a lot of people. in comedy do as well, which is you. create this tension of what this person. is saying is completely outrageous. And. then laughter is the resolution. People. laugh and it's like, "Oh, good. >> We're out of that long sustained E7 and. now we're into an A mate." It's like, h. >> yeah, >> yes, this person just saved the day. And. what it is is creating this unbearable.

tension and then breaking it. >> You know, it's so. >> I've just ruined everything by trying to. explain. this. >> I I knew walking in here that I was they. were, you know, your staff is wonderful. They were like, it's you're it's going. to be fun. It's like, yeah, I know it's. going to be fun, but what you're not. telling me is that it's going to be. thoughtprovoking. I always have really. interesting, awesome conversations with. >> Dave Chappelle, yourself, Will Frell. It's never I feel like the common. misconception when you have a sit down. with a comedian or an actor is that.

they're going to be 100% that person. that you're thinking of. >> It's there's there's so much more to. that. Every time I Will's a really good. friend of mine, I'm sure you know him as. well. >> He's an enemy. >> Okay. He's an enemy. >> And [laughter] so Chappelle, you just. named my two arch enemies. I just have. >> I hate those guys and they have no. talent. None. None. >> Mhm. >> None. Sad. What happened to them? Anyway, continue. [laughter]. >> My media training is.

>> Whatever you do, don't mention Will. Ferrell or Dave [laughter] Chappelle to. Con O'Brien cuz he hates them. >> No, they are two they are two. spectacular. geniuses. >> I'm slapping my knee laughing like. talking to them. I'm like kind of like. really intrigued what they have to say. cuz there's a lot of parallels drawn. >> Well, it's it's the same thing that. happens to me if I'm talking to, you. know, the times that I've had a chance. to have a conversation with, say a Paul. McCartney, >> I don't I don't walk away thinking,

"What the hell was that? He he made no. music while we spoke." you [laughter]. know, and it's the same thing because uh. the first time I met Steve Martin years. and years and years ago when I was a. writer on Saturday Night Live, I went. into the me the the meeting to pitch him. ideas thinking he's going to have an. arrow through his head like 1978, 1979. >> Yeah. He's going to, you [laughter]. know, there's part of you that thinks. that's who you're going to be talking. to. And yeah, exactly. That it would be. that era. That's the era that I first.

that's how I first experienced Steve. Martin. And then you walk in and it's. this very very serious serious as a. heart attack guy who's trying to figure. out what he's going to do that week. talking in a very soft spoken voice and. he can access that but he's not going to. do that right now. >> That's so. >> so that's fascinating to me. Yeah. >> Yeah. I I am me all the time. I I I. guess I I if you see me at Chipotle, I'm. not going to be how you see me on the. internet. But so I I guess that's the.

it's the same thing. It's I I have, you. know, days where I'm super quiet and I. don't want to be like music music. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And there are. days where it's the last thing you. probably like I don't want to do that. today. >> I just want to watch uh Doug de You ever. seen Doug Demiro on cars? Carsandbids.com. I love. >> I don't think I know that. No, [laughter] I don't know that. >> It's just this super niche community of. car lovers of the modern era. Like if I. can tell you all you need to know about. the Saturn view. >> Oh wow. [laughter] I just I love I love.

>> cars of the modern era. >> Cars of the modern era. Every anything. below 70s. Like I don't know what a. 79 Corvette is supposed. [laughter] to look like, right? But I. can tell you everything about the uh the. the the Scion XB. [laughter]. >> The Leaf. Do you know anything about the. Leaf? >> Nissan Leaf. Like I I love [laughter]. >> even phones. I like that. I love that. A. guy just going on and on about, okay, [laughter] I got this Nissan Leaf.

>> and you know it runs at 40 watts. I. bumped it up to 41. [laughter]. >> This sucker will do out of the gate, it'll do 35 mph at top speed. [laughter]. >> I do know the statistics. If you're It's. a four straight four cylinder, but it's. >> You got a four under that hood. [laughter]. in that leaf. Like. >> what do you got in that leaf? You got a. four. Like, do you know what I sit. about? I think about when my wife's. trying to watch her heated rivalries and. whatever. I I I I lay I I I lay down and.

think, why did the Yukon Denali in 2002, I'm serious, [laughter] why did GMC have. this beautiful insignia and this chrome. door handle on the Yukon Denali in 2002. and then in the 2003 model year, they. got rid of it. [laughter]. >> This is crazy. You're going to say I'm. making this up. I have my notes here for. the conversation. Denali right here. Why did they lose it. on the door [laughter] right here? SO TO. BELIEVE ME.

SO TO BELIEVE DID YOU BELIEVE ME? >> I I That's insane. >> I KNOW. I AM VERY. >> WHY WOULD I GO INTO AN INTERVIEW WITH. CHARLIE Poo to talk about the Denali? >> So sincere. I just brought it up. >> I didn't know. I thought he. to be fair. I I thought he was serious, too. >> Thank you, [laughter] Charlie. >> I have a way of committing. >> Yes. Yeah, >> I'm going to say something cuz we ran. out of time a while ago and I'm we've. been keeping it going because I. >> just having too much fun. >> I was having so much fun. I'm shocked.

you haven't been here before. And our. booker, Paula Davis, um I went to her a. while ago and I said, "Let's get Charlie. Puth on. I love him. I'll watch his. TikToks." And she said, "No, not going. to do it. Not going to do it." And I. kept pushing her and she's like, "No, no, no." She was like, "No, we're not. going to do it. We're going to do it.". And I said, "Why? Why can't we have. Charlie on the show?" And she said, "Cuz. you can't handle the booth." Oh, >> I got to go. >> I got to go. I can't do this anymore. I. got to go. >> Oh god. >> I got to go. >> What do you think? Is it the end of the. podcast? >> Oh, yeah. It's done. It was good working.

with you. That was awful. >> Jesus Christ. >> You can't handle the poof. >> You can't handle the poo. Listen, >> I am so mad. >> I thought I thought it was just because. I was just recently taken seriously like. a year ago. I feel like people are. finally like actually taking me serious. No, it's because it li it lines up so. perfectly with you can't handle the. truth. And what I took was Hold on. Let. me explain. Let me let me explain. Let. me explain. And then your last name's. Puth. >> And so I took this iconic What's this?

You can't give me thumbs down on this. >> Explaining it. That's the problem is. that now we're going. >> now. Imagine I'm Jack Nicholson. >> Yeah. >> You can't handle the poof. That's a bad. You did it. >> That's a great great bit. Did it end? I. don't understand. >> No, I think we're done. No, no, no. It. didn't. This is This is how I wish we. had started. [laughter]. >> And I wish this had happened in the. middle and then at the end as the. resolution. >> I see. >> Um [laughter]. >> Charlie, that cup has been empty for a.

while. You're just looking for a way. out. >> Lukewarm Arawan bone broth. [laughter]. >> Um no, what are you talking about? you're a phenomenally talented young. fellow and uh I'm I just knew cuz I also. I see your sense of humor too when I. watch your videos. I'm like, "Okay, this. guy does what I wish I could do and he's. funny and you're a massive success." So, I was really happy. >> Such a trip to me because you are such a. mass massive success and like having.

grown up watching you and it's like now. it's it's just so full. >> None of us none of that stuff I don't. know. I don't think of myself that like. this is me being as honest as I think I. can be, which is. >> um I have been incredibly lucky and I. love getting to do this thing, whatever. it is. I won't put a name to it, but. what I love about these conversations is. trying to get to something that I don't. think I'm ever going to crack, >> which is there's this thing we're all. trying to figure out. And now you're.

going to go off, and I know exactly what. you're talking about. You're going to go. off and and play these amazing shows. Mhm. >> for sold out massive venues and but. you're still trying to see. >> Portland's not sold out. [laughter]. >> Portland is always tricky. >> Yeah, but they're, you know, >> they're drinking. >> kombucha. Yeah, exactly. >> They want to hear we don't talk anymore. Some do. >> Yeah. Well, listen, first of all, you've. now we're not going to get Portland sold. out by alienating Portland. So, I'm just.

going to say I can't imagine a better. place for you to play than Portland. It's going to sound amazing. >> I mean, great donuts, great people. [laughter]. >> They They can't handle the booth. >> Maybe that's it. Maybe they can't handle. the. >> We don't have to go back to that. Well, >> we just went back to uh a quip that was. cancerous. >> Yes, it was. >> It was I mean, it's toxic. >> It was. It was. You should apologize. >> I don't know. I. >> Is there any other musician you look up. to other than me, of course, but.

>> [laughter]. >> Well, I I I look up to anyone that can. make a living doing it. I think that's. absolutely stunning. And that sounds But. I'm just amazed when when I mean, and my. goal getting into this was if I can pay. my rent. >> Mhm. >> thinking of funny little things or being. weird, wouldn't that be the most amazing. thing in the world? That was my idea in. 1985, and it's still my idea, you know? It's like still like that is it's not. going to get better than that. um scale of things can change, but the.

actual mission doesn't change. So, I'm. just I'm blown away when I mean I like. to sit and talk to people. If I walk. into a hotel lobby and someone's playing. the piano there, I'm just I think. >> that must just be amazing to be able to. sit and play the piano and you've got a. um you know a you've got a standing gig. and people come and they listen to you. and. >> you get some free drinks. That's the. part I would want. >> Yeah. But you can when and I used to. that used to be one of my odd jobs is I.

would go well not odd. I would play the. piano at at bars. You can change the. room with you know when you start. playing uh piano man. >> Yeah. I won't play any more of it but. yeah. God [laughter] these these laws. are destroying they're destroying. podcasts. [laughter] They are. Well, Billy Joel needs that 35 bucks. No, [laughter]. >> but you would hear you would hear like.

uh you would hear Rodney Dangerfield sit. down with Johnny Carson and he would. just like you could the the the audience. would change just based on the the. diction and like his delivery. >> and the expectation. >> So like Buddy Hackett or Rodney. Dangerfield or any of these amazing. comedians would sit down with Johnny. Carson when I was a kid and my father. and I and anyone else in the room would. just be like, "Oh, this is going to be. good." Mhm. >> And that's what happens when you start. to hear some of these iconic songs. When. anyone's playing their hit, you there's.

the Oh my god. Everyone knows what's. coming and they're also delighted and. excited for it. >> Mhm. >> Which is great, >> right? Except if you completely change. the arrangement and make it uh not. [clears throat] what it's supposed to. sound like, >> right? The Bosanova version of Piano. Man. [laughter]. >> That's sounds great. >> Artistic selfishness. But even Billy. Joel, he says he's and I've opened up. for him a couple times. One show got. rained out, but he's I asked him, "Do. you have. >> Let me guess. Portland. [laughter]. >> No. Pittsburgh.".

>> Oh, damn it. >> He even said he like I I asked him, "Do. you get tired of playing piano, man?". And he was like, "I do, but the crowd's. reaction is worth everything.". >> Wow. >> That's You don't quote me exactly, but. that's what I remember him saying to me. in. >> He say to you, "Now get out there and. open this show. I'm not paying you to. talk to me.". >> Well, the show got [laughter] the show. got rained out. And the show got rained. out and I was all bummed out. He came. in, they were like, "Mr. Joel wants to. uh Billy wants to come in and, you know, offer his apologies." And he came in and.

he shrugged his shoulders. He was like, "What do you want me to do?" [laughter]. >> And we took a picture. >> I love a guy that thinks he needs to. apologize for the weather. I'm going to. start doing that. Sorry, guys. Eclipse. [laughter]. What can I do? >> He didn't have to do that. It was nice. >> No, he's nice. He was very nice. Um, listen, an absolute delight. Congratulations. You are a new dad, which is the best thing you'll ever do. >> Shout out to Jude Puth. >> Jude, what a cool name. >> Hey, hey, Jude. That's what he played.

during the uh during his birth. >> That's during the birth. >> Yeah, >> that's a long enough song. >> The anesthesiologist, all the doctors. were. >> That's so cool. >> Yeah. Now every time I sing it to him, he goes [laughter]. >> that and Sing by the Carpenters. He. loves when the kids come in on the. second verse. >> That's so cool. >> My daughter's name is Sandman [laughter]. >> cuz we were listening to Metallica. and um that was up. >> But you know what it turns out? I.

>> Sandman O'Brien. [laughter]. >> Just be careful. This is a public. service. be careful what you're. listening to when a child is born cuz it. can go any different way, you know. >> Um, delight having you here, Charlie. Really? And, uh, best of luck on this. tour. You're going to kill it. >> Thank you. >> Uh, no more diving through the internet. Not necessary. You don't need it. You're. way past that. Long time ago. >> I agree. All right. >> My first interview with my permanent. retainer. I just got it like right.

before. >> You just got a permanent retainer. Is it. behind your teeth? >> It's behind my teeth. No, it's it's. right behind uh these four front teeth. here. >> Okay. >> I don't know why. >> Why would you tell me THAT AT ALL? [laughter]. >> Because it's a personal victory for me. I was kind of like nervous that I wasn't. I was going to talk weird, but. >> No, it was perfect. >> Yeah, I did. >> And now I have This is my first. interview with an empty colon. Just. [laughter] there's nothing completely. clean down there. >> Completely empty colon. >> Is that something that we should be. sharing? >> I mean, completely. Completely. Haven't.

eaten in six days. Okay, we got it. >> just and then right before the podcast. [laughter]. >> Oh my god. >> Okay. Um I'm an awful person. >> Awful. >> Charlie, I apologize to you to your. team, [laughter]. >> but thank you so much for being here. This was so cool. >> Thank you for having me. Thank you. everybody.