Charli xcx (FULL EPISODE) | Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend

[music]. >> Hi, my name is Charli XCX and I feel. nervous about being Conan O'Brien's. friend. >> [music]. >> Hey there, welcome to Conan O'Brien. Needs a Friend. Joined as always by Sona. Movsesian. You didn't change your last. name when you got married. >> change it. No, it's a lot of paperwork. Yeah, and a lot of consonants. >> [laughter]. >> What? Is it Is it what's Tax's last.

name? Is it Takasian? >> O'Brien. No, it's not Tak- It's not. Takasian. >> I always think it's his first name plus. Azizean. >> I know, but that's not how Armenian. names are. >> a lot of consonants in it. >> a lot of letters that like really. shouldn't be next to each other. Like. the V and the S. >> Oh, I know. It's an explosion at a. Campbell's Soup. factory. >> Okay, who has an apostrophe in his last. name? How awful is that? >> in my glass house. I'm firing stones. >> [laughter]. >> I thought I was safe and apparently I'm. not. And Matt Gourley joining us as. well. There's a There's a fine name,

Matt Gourley. None of your O' apostrophe. Brian Yeah. Movsesian Azizean It used to. be Mac [laughter]. Gourley long, long ago. >> What? Mac Gourley. You were Mac Gourley? >> told the last name the same. >> got rid of the Mac? >> Well, I didn't personally. I've just. heard long ago that it was Mac Gourley. Oh. Mac Gourley. You guys are looking at. me like I did this to. Wait, so your name would be Matt. McGourley? >> If I don't think I would be named. that. Matt McGourley Matt McGour- Matt. McGourley. They dropped it. I think they It was Mac.

Gourley until you were born. And you were born Matt. So they knew. that they had to lose the Mac. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah. He was born with a hi, my name is. Matt on his chest. >> I was. You know, it's interesting that. we're talking about the joking about uh. birth and uh related matters because um. you are. uh going to be taking a leave of absence. for a while. And this is uh this is big. news. What's going on? >> Well, I'm having a baby.

Not my wife. I am. Yeah, you're doing it. all yourself. No. So um when uh I won't. say ask when specifically, but this is. going to happen soonish? >> Soonish, [laughter] yeah. I mean, it God. only knows. It may already have happened. the way this seems to be going. Who. knows? I mean, I just got this feeling. that it's coming early. So Yeah, this is. a girl. We're having another little. girl. I'm I'm I'm I'm over the moon. Over the moon. I'm excited about this. Well, you know, I think I'm the first. one to make this analogy, but to me it. just feels like you know, you're going.

from one-on-one defense to zone. >> [laughter]. >> Is Is that something I just thought of? >> that I understand sports in any way. Also, it implies that I've never heard a. thousand people say that. >> Well, you you've had two kids. You. obviously have two kids, but they came. at once. So you kind of won the lottery. in getting it over with. >> I did. I know a lot of people think. twins is hard, but I think having a. little kid and a baby and doing that all. over again, that's harder. >> I mean, two at the same time. I can't. even imagine that. >> And one punched the other out first. Is. that what happened? There was a brawl.

inside the womb? Oh, probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Mikey punched Charlie and he went flying. out like the way cowboys would fly out. of a barroom. >> Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of brawls. still happening in there. >> down a little doors down there that went. like a. saloon doors? [laughter]. Yeah. Well, punch and then and then. >> [crying]. >> This is highly problematic. >> [laughter]. >> Did you hear piano music? ANYONE FLYING OUT? >> [laughter]. >> MIKEY PUNCHED CHARLIE. Charlie goes. flying out and then.

Wow, Mikey comes out himself and to. finish the job and they just punched. each other down the hallway of the. hospital. That's how my birth happened. Well, >> [laughter]. >> sorry. Just can't get that image of the saloon. doors Stop it. Cuz when I think of. You're talking about my vagina. Uh yeah, sure. Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> You mean your saloon door? Yeah. That's horrible. Is your vagina. spring-loaded? Oh my god.

>> [screaming]. >> ANYWAY, BUT I'M BUT I JUST LIKE THE idea. of saloon music coming out. Uh listen. >> So I had a C-section. Yeah, okay. So. your stomach is a saloon door? >> Yeah. No, no, that's different. That's. different. That's a. cellar door, you know. You leave. Kid [laughter] looks around, sees a. tornado coming. Not yet. GOES BACK IN. AGAIN. YEAH. Get in here, TOTO. HURRY. >> [laughter]. >> UH SO ANYWAY,

>> [laughter]. >> VAGINAS ARE SALOON DOORS. C-sections are. of course Kansas. >> [laughter]. >> Kansas cellar doors. Um so uh well, this. is let's get back to the real story. here, which is that you and Amanda are. having a second child. This is very. exciting. >> It's exciting. Um. I'm I'm. old to be a dad, so it just You're not. Yeah, I mean, I am. I mean, this is just. not how it's typically done, but that's.

how it's going to happen and that's just. >> Well, you're not old to be a dad. Look. at I think uh. Look at Michael Douglas. I think was had. children when he was. >> Robert De Niro Al Pacino. >> Yeah, they're having children at 80. Yeah. Doesn't it seem wrong? >> You're young compared to them. Compared. to them? Yeah. They'll have the same. bedtime. >> [laughter]. >> I go to bed before my children already. Interesting picture of Al Pacino in the. crib with the baby. >> [laughter]. >> I GUESS IT'S GOODNIGHT.

WILL YOU KILL YOUR BROTHER AND BRING ME. SOME CRACKERS? >> [laughter]. >> YOU GO AND GET A SWADDLEX. THE HELL? IT'S ONLY 6:00. I can't. believe we're in here. GIVE ME MY MILK. >> [laughter]. >> HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT MAMA HAS A BIG. [screaming] ASS? >> [laughter]. >> WELL, ANYWAY, IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE. DOING IT AND THEY'RE much younger than. you. Yeah, I know. So it's going to be fine. >> you mean. >> [laughter]. >> No, I'm saying Oh, you're right.

You know what I just revealed? This is. what I'm saying. I just revealed that. I'm too old to be a dad. I can't think. properly. >> Oh, no. >> Yeah, that thing that Sona said. That's. what I meant. >> Yeah. You're much younger than they are. >> baby. Everyone's having babies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like a studio head. Yeah, you're going to be in a house full. of girls. Including your cat. >> I know. I'm going to be the only man. You know what? And then even that's. pushing it. >> [laughter]. >> If yeah, if you need to boost the.

testosterone around there, I'll stop by. [laughter]. We don't need a deficit. Why did Why did estrogen levels just. spike? I'll come. I'll [laughter] get there. I'll do it. I'll stop by. You know what? Yes. So what's It is very exciting and. how long are you going to be departing. for? >> gone for about 3 months, but I'm sure. That's way too long. >> This is Hey, man, it's modern times. Paternity leave. Well, you know who would not like this. conversation at all? My wife. Oh. Cuz I. never got any maternity leave and she.

was like, "What's going on?" I'm like, "Got to do another show, baby." Yeah. >> America demands it. Turns out they. didn't. Uh. >> [laughter]. >> But don't worry, Amanda will be here in. my place. Very good. Well, she'll be. great, actually. She would. I will be. popping in and out just cuz we've. recorded ahead some and stuff like that. You know what I mean? Like next episode, I think I'll be there for the interview. and things like that. So it may seem. like. >> Quick question, and I don't want this to. sound crass or bullying or in any way. intimidating. Do you get paid while. you're gone? Uh.

That's the question I have for you. Yeah, good question. Adam, how does this. stuff work? You don't have to answer. that. I don't want you to be on the. spot. Well, I'm an independent contractor. I'm. not salaried. Perfect. >> [laughter]. >> I'm sorry. You also you support. paternity leave in a man bonding with. his his new child. And so you're such a. progressive I want to make sure that. everyone's taken care of and I believe. in everyone. having good child care, but of course my hands are tied.

>> [laughter]. >> I am but a figurehead on the SS Conan. O'Brien. >> [laughter]. >> Is Is it going to be me and you? Yeah. Okay. No, wait. I I think David's going. to sit in. Yeah, we'll get David to sit in. Of. course, Blay will be yelling and. pitching a mile a minute. >> Oh, yes. Yep. Well, [laughter] hey, guess what? With. those kind of energy nuggets, we can't. go wrong. >> Yeah, and I reserve the right if there's. some stellar guest, I'm coming in. Oh, trust me. Yeah, hey, the whole cast of Blivvy.

Blubber there cast Men of the Sith I. don't know. >> [laughter]. >> What? MEN OF THE SITH? NO, Men of the. Sith. Men of the Sith? That sounds like. a Star Wars erotic calendar. I would watch that. That's when I watch. Star Wars. [laughter] Oh, Men of the. Sith. And also Men OF THE SITH. >> [laughter]. >> I SAID IT LIKE THERE was vomit in my. mouth. Men of the Sith. Well, listen. It's a 2026 erotic Men of. the Sith calendar. Oh, man, check out.

February. His dizzle dazzle goes on. forever. Uh listen, we should get into it. And. And listen, uh sincere uh. congratulations to you and Amanda. I. joke. I'm thrilled and I'm very excited. >> I know you are. I'm anticipating it very. much. So I'm nervous, but I'm excited. Okay, well, good. Could be a godfather. Here we go. Today's guest That was awkward. Today's. guest. >> [laughter]. >> Gosh, uh. It's good enough for Sona's kids, but. >> [laughter].

>> That was just weird. Hey, you want to. You want to hear real awkwardness? >> [laughter]. >> Just press rewind just a little bit and. you'll hear the sound of just. >> [laughter]. >> nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Hey, today's guest is a Grammy. Award-winning singer-songwriter who now. stars as a fictionalized version of. herself in a terrific new mockumentary. film, which I've seen and I loved it the. moment.

Uh we are very excited she's here today. Charli XCX, welcome. I don't know why you would be nervous. [laughter]. You're officially the coolest person on. the planet and I might be your polar. opposite in every way. Although I'm. although I'm huge in the clubs. You. should know that. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah. Huge in the clubs. I'm huge in the London club scene. I. bet. You just never saw me, but I was.

[laughter] huge. But um I don't have any. reason to believe that you're nervous. about anything. because. I saw my daughter and I saw your movie. 2 days ago. and loved it. Really loved it and when. the movie was over, my reaction was. well, I don't worry about her because. you are so smart. It is such a smart. movie. Thank you. And I think just the. right thing for you to be doing at this.

moment and we'll talk about that in a. bit. We'll really. uh. get into it. But I just wanted to start. by saying A, my team gets to see a lot. of cool people. They're they're pretty. excited today. To the point where when. your car pulled up, people ran up to the. window. >> god. >> Everyone who works for me and they're. all young. They run up to the window and. they were like. it's a white Explorer. It's a Ford. [laughter] It's a Ford. >> Yeah. I'm like get away from the window.

I threw myself on the hood. Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> I'm sorry. >> Yeah, we we hit him off with the wipers. Yeah. >> You turned on the wipers? Yeah, yeah. Good for you. >> Yeah. Um you're a very inspiring person. because I love the arc of your career. It hasn't all come quickly for you, but. it's been amazing and what I wanted to. start with was just. kind of your origin story, your. superhero origin story which is. you kind of lived dual lives growing up.

>> Yes. because your mom and your dad came. from completely different worlds. Is. that right? True. Yeah, yeah. My um. my mom grew up in Uganda. Mhm. And her and her family had been there. for years. She's Indian. Mhm. Um and she. was removed from the country uh by Idi. Amin in the '70s. >> Right. And then she came to the UK then. and um her and her family were kind of.

like, you know, rehoused and I remember. she told me it was like when when they. touched down in in the UK, weirdly at. the airport that's kind of like opposite. where my parents still live now. She'd. never experienced snow before and this. was like the first time she had ever. been somewhere so cold and they um. gave all of the kids these like huge fur. coats. >> [laughter]. >> So she's kind of like.

stepping off the plane. >> Wait, why are they handing her a pimp. coat? >> Yeah, I know. >> [laughter]. >> So she's like it was kind of a cool. welcome, I guess. >> like when you go to Hawaii, you get a. lei, but [laughter] you come to London, you get Yeah, you get a giant fur coat. Wow, welcome. So they were kind of like. swagged out, I guess. [laughter]. And then my my dad. um. he he's adopted and um his adopted. family is Scottish. So, you know, we say. Scottish, but um he grew up kind of like. near where um they raised me and. yeah, they met in a club on New Year's.

Eve. Am I am I right you were born in. Cambridge? >> Mhm. Which I I was in Cambridge weeks. ago. And. um How is it that I haven't been back. for a minute? >> It's Hogwarts. I was hanging around at. the. university and it was just oh my god, Hogwarts exists. Yeah, totally. And um. and this is it. And um but it was. lovely. It's it's almost like a theme. park cuz it's exactly what you think the. quintessential old British. you know, university should look like.

>> Yes. But you then have this kind of I. wouldn't say schizophrenic, but dual. world that you're living in where if. you're hanging out in your dad's world. in whether it's Essex or Cambridge. um you feel like an outsider. I'm. imagining in some ways. Mhm. And then if. you're visiting with your mom's people, that's a whole different experience. Yeah, totally. I mean, it's it's funny. It's like I grew up yeah in in Essex and. I went to school in a town called.

Bishop's Stortford. And. um it was like a lot of white kids, you. know, predominantly. Mhm. And then on. the weekends, I would go and kind of. visit my mom's side of the family who. lived uh like in Crawley. Yeah. And um. that was a very much more like. traditionally Indian setup. Like big. family gatherings, so much food, Bollywood playing in the background. Um.

speaking Gujarati except I never really. learned much apart from jolly jolly. which means quick quick. Um [laughter]. that's like all I know. >> That's really all you need to know. Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, like. sometimes like doing prayer and like. sometimes going to mosque and things. like that. And then like. yeah, not really having any of that kind. of experience uh when I was like going. to school or um during the weeks really. And and it was kind of hard to.

really feel that I fit into. either world, I suppose because most of. my um. kind of classmates sort of touch point. for an Indian person was Apu on The. Simpsons, Right. So it was like that was. what an Indian person was. Yeah. Um so. uh it was very like it was a bit. jarring, but also it's it it was also, I.

must say, like it was like okay, you. know, it was it was like my mom had to. struggle a lot more with dealing with. kind of um. racism and. uh things like that when she was not. only growing up, but even when she was. like living in our our town. Like I. remember one day she she came home. because she'd kind of had like a. milkshake thrown over her and been told. to go home and things like that. And. I've, you know, been very lucky that I. haven't had to experience that probably. because I'm a lot more passing than she.

is. Mhm. Um but yeah, it's it is. interesting kind of being from both. worlds and not particularly feeling like. I belonged in uh. either. And and it's and it's also funny. because I think doing what I do now, I I. definitely feel. that sometimes when I. Google myself, which I do. Um I. [laughter] sometimes see that people are. sort of like. mad that I don't really talk about this. side of my life that much.

>> Yeah. Um but the reason I don't is. because no one asks me. So now that you. have kind of sat here and asked me, I'm. more than willing and happy to talk. about it. I just feel very awkward about. using like my culture as a USP. Like I. find it to be kind of a little bit. grotesque. Yeah. And it's not something. that I feel like I really want to do. because. there are parts of me that feel dis-. distant from both sides of my. upbringing. But when someone asks me.

about it, I'm so happy to. talk about Well, it, you know. >> know what you think about this, but I've. always. had this notion or theory. that. it's good for an artist to be. maybe slightly uncomfortable. when they're younger. I that may sound like oh no, that can't. be true, but it is. I feel there's. something to the idea that. not feeling particularly cool when.

you're a kid or not being sure what your. identity is. might it's like the sand in the oyster. that gives you the pearl. I it may be. something that you can access. Is that. possible for you, you think? >> gosh, 100% and and I wouldn't say that. that just comes from uh you know, my. heritage. It is like that I think for me. uh comes from feeling I felt like I I. was a loser, you know, like I so like it. was like coming which and I feel like so.

many artists have that experience of. like that they're just they've just feel. so isolated and alone and uncool and all. you know, all the the things or what-. whatever. I don't know. And I definitely. felt that way and and still do. And you. know, I think it's like actually why I. used the word nervous at at the at the. top of this is because often when I meet. people, I'm at a party and it's night. time and there are so many additional.

things that can help me feel. relaxed. If [laughter] you know what I mean. Um. and I. >> about hot chocolate. Yeah, and I'm not drinking hot chocolate. right now. You know what I mean. So. [laughter] it's like Oh, then you should. try hard drugs. Yeah. Max. She doesn't know what hard. drugs are. >> I don't. Everyone thinks I do, but I. just I don't. But. >> [laughter]. >> yeah, so it's like in the cold light of. day sometimes I do I do get a little bit.

nervous and I and I kind of revert back. to that. um that younger girl who I think. sometimes would feel really out of like. her comfort zone when meeting people and. feeling like you know, you have to sort. of like establish that you're like a. functioning human with a brain and. things like that and sometimes it's like. ah. >> [laughter]. >> you know. so yeah. I'm telling you there's. uh and I think a lot of people listening. can relate to this. There's a lot of.

people that would look at you and the. stunning astounding success you've had. in the career you've had and say oh. she's just cool and she knows it and. that's who she is and they don't. understand the chemistry behind it. There needs to be moments. big moments where you're insecure where. you think I don't have any ideas. sometimes imposter syndrome everybody. all the people I admire have that in. moments. Of course. >> can access it. I'm someone who can go up.

in front of a lot of people and take. charge and be. perfectly in control but I can also in a. second after I'm done with my. performance access the me that's. 16 years old bad skin doesn't know how. to talk to girls uh way too skinny uh. feels like a loser. That person is. always lurking around and I can access. that person whether I want to or not in. a in a second. That's just part of the.

formula. Yeah. Yeah, I agree and I think. it's the sort of um. the the kind of duality of both that. makes a good artist. I can't imagine if. you were just like. so like chill and confident and happy. with yourself all the time. You'd make. terrible art. You know what I mean? >> why. >> Probably probably. Yeah, exactly. No, that's why you know, nothing would. enrage me more than if a really good. looking guy that I knew in high school. who was an incredible athlete went on to.

become the seminal artist. Right. [laughter]. >> I would be enraged. A nightmare. I would. say no. Whatever success I have is my. consolation prize for years of celibacy. >> [laughter]. >> Uh you don't need to know about that. Charlie. That's my problem not your. problem. >> [music]. [music]. >> I'm going to tell you a way that uh your. parents are different than mine. There's. many ways but this is the biggest one.

that stands out to me. Your parents took. you to perform at illegal raves. Mhm. Never happened with me. >> [laughter]. >> Right. Um and um and and I I heard that. fact and I thought this is really. interesting because you were you were. young at the time they were taking you. to illegal raves. This is. um the kind of. these are these are parents who. really they were out of their comfort. zone especially your mom to go to a rave.

and to take you to this world is a level. of support. that to me feels phenomenal. Yeah, of. course. I mean obviously at the time I. was like can you guys wait outside? You're like cramping my style. >> [laughter]. >> You know, I was like so ungrateful in a. way cuz who wants to go [laughter] to. the rave with their parents? Like it's. so embarrassing. >> Especially when they jump on stage. Uh. you know, you know, it's like you're. like oh god but. >> [laughter]. >> but like also I will say they were they. were very very respectful of my space.

and and stuff um when we went. And yes, now with hindsight I'm like wow that is. so cool of them. Like they didn't have. to do that. Like they they they kind of. like drove me up there and would sort of. like hang out in the back and this is. like late stuff. This is like I would go. on at 4:00 a.m. You know what I mean? Like and they were they were. like so so kind of cool of them to to do. that. I will say like when I said. to them that I really had this big plan.

to like move in with one of the rave. promoters when I was 16 in a warehouse. in um. Hackney Wick they drew the line there. and they were like that sounds like a. bad idea. And I was like it does it? I think it. sounds amazing. And they were like yeah. yeah no. >> [laughter]. >> So they they were they were supportive. >> like them even more now. I know yeah. yeah yeah. They did draw the line. >> Yeah, they're they're great. They and. and I think. it's cool. It's like my. my dad was very much kind of like a.

self-made. guy, you know, he like worked like super. hard his whole life like working class. background like really kind of like. did. his thing and did everything that he. could to kind of have you know more for. himself and I think he was very much. like with the whole rave stuff he was. kind of like oh like if you're really. passionate about this then you should go. and perform because maybe then you can. do that for real. And I think most.

parents would kind of be like you. shouldn't do that. That feels unreliable. and stressful and why don't you. >> Right. pursue something else but I think. he was always a bit of a dreamer um. which sounds like a horrid sort of. cheesy thing to say but he really was. and and so I think it for him it was. like oh if you're passionate about. something that's really cool like let's. try and like figure that out. And I feel. very very very lucky for that, you know, it's it's very cool Do you ever say to. yourself I could have been a really good.

tax attorney? >> [laughter]. >> All the time. All the time. Yeah. Cuz when I was. watching your movie I was like I'm. sorry. I said she's amazing but. >> [laughter]. >> tax attorney. And we don't have a lot of. them. I know I know I know. Yeah, my. side hustle. >> [laughter]. >> It would be so great if that was your. side hustle. After a massive show where you're going. well, I've got to go over these. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah. I'm just checking the numbers. Um. as a kid you were listening to Spice. Girls, No Doubt, Britney Spears and.

um. and then at some point. at a young age you start thinking about. writing. uh yourself and that is a leap. What what is the early early writing for. you look like? Is it. you know, uh. pen and paper and trying to write things. out in a book or is it playing around. with a musical instrument? >> a lot of keyboard playing um playing the.

keyboard and kind of. and make I had like this Yamaha keyboard. um and I was like making a lot of kind. of. beats on there and then like record like. doing like recording kind of separately. all the different layers. Um so yeah, it was kind of like writing. lyrics and then um trying to kind of. figure out chords and very much like. piano orientated and I think it all. began because. I had this boyfriend. who turned out to be gay and honestly.

all the the signs were so there. He was. like the coolest. >> [laughter]. >> And like not many like you know what I. mean? Not many like 15-year-old boys are. like that cool. And he was like so cool. He had great style, great taste. He made. me a mixtape of stuff that I'd like. never heard before. [laughter]. And I think it was like that was kind of. like the moment where I was like oh like. he kind of like opened my. um eyes to all of these different. artists that I hadn't really been.

listening to that much before like some. kind of. indie bands and then like stuff like. Gang of Four and like I I don't know. like a lot of stuff that I had not. really that it hadn't been on my radar. and at that point I think I kind of had. the hunger to try and write things. myself a bit more. >> Yeah. Well, I mean step number one is. always you have to put stuff into the. machine. You have to open up your head. and a volume of not just any type of. music but every type of music. And they call it having big ears but.

just the more stuff you're listening to. at an early age. I I swear to god they're going to figure. out that it happens almost on a. neurological level. You can redirect. your synapses can grow. Right. You can. you can. teach yourself that it's a big musical. world out there and it becomes part of. you but a lot of it's just osmosis. It's. just listening listening listening. And. something that really interests me about. your career which is there's so many. ways that I I can't relate to what you.

do. I admire it but I I can't relate to it. And one thing I can relate to is that I. started as a writer. And I would write for other people and I. would write things for other voices and. I. listened and watched a lot of comedy but. then I would write for. someone. a a known performer and I did that for. years before. I sort of solidified my thing. And I. think I know early on you're writing for.

a lot of other people and that was your. your way in and in some ways it's. helpful cuz you can observe. You had. you're clearly you know, crazy. intelligent. You could observe other. people how they're. living what it's like to be a huge star. And you can stand off of it for a little. bit and participate but not get the full. blast right away. Does that sound right? Kind of. It's interesting. It's like. there is this misconception that I was.

writing for people first. I actually. made a record first and it was really. really good and it was like critically. acclaimed but it sold about honestly. like 11 copies. It was like really like. no one bought it basically. >> Yeah. No one bought it. No one really. heard of it apart from like the five. people who reviewed it. Loved them, you. know. >> [laughter]. >> Like. I there was like a small fan base of. people who were into it. It was called. True Romance. And um I was signed at that time to. Atlantic Records and I'm pretty sure.

they would have dropped me like there. and then after that album. And at this. point in time this is god what like 20. I could I could be so wrong 2013. But. this was like a point in in time where. like record labels had so much more. power over an artist and their career. and whether they could even have a. career. I mean, I I think it's so. different now, but back then it was like. especially being a woman making um pop. music, it was like if you didn't have a. label, like forget about it. You know. what I mean?

Um. but right. right at the kind of end of that album. campaign, which was it wasn't even a. campaign, it just came out, whatever. Like I wrote this song called I Love It, which um was sung by this Swedish band. called Icona Pop. >> Yeah. And that became. a big a big song and I think that. started my career of of writing for. others. And if I hadn't had that. then yeah, it probably would have been. you know, accountant or whatever for me.

Tax. >> Listen. >> [laughter]. >> And let me point out there's still time. I know. I know. And I know a guy who can. help you. Great. Great. >> know your team doesn't like what I'm. taking you down. >> [laughter]. >> No, they love it. I mean, it's. responsible. If you would take 3 years. off, just hear me out. Uh first law school, we'll do it later. Um well, that song too, I know you're. singing on that song as well. >> I am, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so uh I. mean. that that experience of you getting your.

music across uh and working with another. artist or through another artist. you you have that period of time, you. have this long arc of making very. successful music. and. I mean. my daughter, who I told you is a massive. fan, has been listening to for years. long before. Brat. >> Mhm. And was a fan of yours and then.

um so when the moment comes. that Brat comes out, Brat summer, the. whole cultural phenomenon of that. you're probably maybe a little better. prepared, if you can be prepared, something like that. >> sure. I mean, 100%. It's funny like I I. guess as an artist I had already sort of. like dabbled in like commercial success. through. um yeah, the songs I'd written for other. people and been a feature on and. you know, that had like literally taken.

me around the world and been able been. allowed me to perform on different. stages and things like that. So I kind. of had this like second-hand experience, as you were saying, of of like. pop star success, but it wasn't I was. sort of like the one like photo bombing. the photo, rather than like in the main. center frame. But I it was cool, you. know, it was I was cool with that. But. um. yeah, and then I I sort of I I had my. own song, this song called Boom Clap, which was in this film called Fault in. Our Stars. And that was my sort of big.

like, oh, now she's going to do it. And. I like did it didn't really happen. Like. I I don't think I was ready then. Like I. didn't really I didn't really like have. my brain like fully dialed as like an. artist brain in a way. Like I wasn't. connecting all the pieces of the puzzle. together in the in the way that I I do. now when I think about my work. And then after that I kind of like. went into this other world of okay, now. I'm [snorts] going to kind of really. like make underground stuff and work. with like my freaky friends and things.

like that. And so when Brat happened and um people. were into that record, I was actually. kind of at this point where um I was. kind of like, I'm just going to make. this this record for me and I don't. really care if anybody else likes it. This is for me, this is for my fans. I. felt like I was at a point in my my. career where I could really like sustain. like being able to do what I wanted, even if the album wasn't like. commercially successful. Like I I was. like totally at peace with it and I'd.

been so swinging on the pendulum back. and forth. between like what I wanted as a person, as an artist prior to that. But with. this record I was like. down the line like I am ready for it to. flop and I I'm going to [laughter] stand. by it. I love it. Like this is for me. and my fans who like give a about. what I'm doing. Yeah. Um and then. obviously like it didn't really happen. like that. Like a lot more people than. my hardcore fan base were into the. record. And I think because I had had.

this prior journey before of like. you know, being in the background of the. photos and like kind of like having this. sort of like almost type moments, I felt. yeah, like I'd kind of like seen so much. and I'd also like experienced so much of. what the industry is and how people come. and go and how people treat you when. you're on top versus when you're not. And I think.

not to be not to sound jaded, it's not. that I was jaded. I think I'm just quite. realistic about um. fame and the industry and how serious or. un- seriously you need to take it and. yeah, I don't know. I I feel I feel like. really thankful that I got to have the. experience that I had prior to Brat. because I think it I think I would have. been a nightmare if I hadn't. Like I.

really honestly like really like I think. it would have been like quite a. dangerous like concoction of things all. coming together. It makes you feel. feel sorry or have empathy for people. There are people that have that when. they're 19, 20, 21 and um. often times that can lead to drug. addiction, mental illness because I. don't think people are meant to. experience that. 100%. >> And um. it's not something biologically we're.

meant to be able to handle. I'm just. curious. uh because there's a little bit of false. modesty about Brat. It wasn't just. successful. Um there's very few times can you say. that an album is a cultural phenomenon. This really was. It was artistically a. smash. But it took on a whole life. The color. and font of the album became a thing. That's when you know you've done. something interesting. Yeah. Do you.

know? Um when, you know, you're. whatever, you're passing by a coffee. shop and the color and the font is. telling you buy a mocaccino and you're. like, okay, this isn't doesn't even have. anything to do with Brat. They're trying. to use Brat to sell a mocaccino. This is weird. Was there a moment uh. when you've had success before, you'd. been playing before people for a long. time, was there a moment that. crystallized for you where you thought, oh my god, this is weird. This is big. Um Or was it all kind of fluid in a way?

You're in a flow state. >> I kind of flow state and also I'm very. bad at. um doing the thing where you like look. back and acknowledge success. Like I'm. I'm kind of like, next thing, let's go. Like I I don't know. Like I I can sit. here and you know, talk to you guys and. say like, actually yeah, it was really. cool. Like but in the moment I wasn't. really. thinking like that. Um and and I think I. find the whole sort of like social. experiment of the whole thing really. fascinating and I think.

the way that people interact with pop. culture has always been like a huge um. inspiration to my work. And so for me. this was sort of like, oh my god, this. was like cherry on the cake of. everything I had ever hoped for because. it was so interesting to see how people, fans, haters, brands. presidential campaigns were interacting. [laughter].

>> Yes. Yes. you know, what I was doing and. and I I found it. very very yeah, fascinating the way that. um. yeah, like trend cycles. happen. And and yeah, it's like that's. always been. such interesting fuel for for me and for. my work. Like I'm I'm fascinated with. how people engage with stuff like that. >> all served you really well because the. moment. is your movie. Mhm. And.

um it is a. a mockumentary. which I don't think quite describes it. because it's a. uh yes, it's a pretend documentary. It. can be very funny at times. But the. thing and Sona, you saw it as well, the. thing that struck me as I watched it and. I thought. uh this is true. This is very very true. Um. and. I'm speaking as someone who has nothing.

no connection to that world and that. experience, but you can tell when. something is authentic and this is a. very smart. uh honest, funny, wry look. at. what you went through and no, it is not. factual, but it's true. And I was really. blown away by I mean, just. when you watch the movie you get a.

really good sense. of. what it's like to be you. And I know. it's your it's a version of you, but it. it felt to me like a very honest, cool, innovative document. And I loved it. I. really did. >> And I don't know what your experience. was, Sona. >> know what? It reminded me of something. you said, which is a lot of times people. try to justify their paychecks and it. seemed like there was a lot of. characters in here who were trying to. justify their paychecks in a way and it.

shows you. it shows you what it really is for. people who are such a big part of the. zeitgeist to have so many voices that. are just coming at them. And I don't I. mean, it was so it was really funny. Alexander Skarsgard. >> god. is hilarious and amazing in it. It. was I he's so incredible in this movie, but everybody is so funny. It's also. very real and it's it's such a great. glimpse into what it's like to go. through what you went through. >> Rachel Sennott fans and she was sitting.

in that chair weeks ago and we were. talking about her new show and I just. adore her. I love that she's playing this version. of herself which isn't all that. flattering and it's it's [laughter]. really funny. The Kylie Jenner uh Oh my god. like Yeah, she kills. >> But also I love that she comes in and. encounters you at a weak moment and. gives you this advice which. >> [laughter]. >> which is like comically she's telling. you you got to go for it you got to do. this but in a way you're thinking no. don't listen to Kylie.

>> [laughter]. >> Yeah. Seriously. serial like her lighting is. insane insane. And then there's the song about the. fruit. But she you know the there there were so. many moments that are and and yeah. Alexander Skarsgard's coming in and he's. this very awkward weird energy. But to your point Sona it's a really. good point. The thing I like the most about the. movie is something that happens all the. time in any kind of entertainment. endeavor which is.

you are you. you are a real person living in the. world you have these experiences you are. following your own. north star creatively making your stuff. then. you hit this mother lode of insane. success. and you're right credit card companies. you know Frappuccino companies you know. sneaker companies banks presidential. candidates everybody moves in and then. you have a team and.

as we talked about earlier. a lot of your work is flow state work. but now people are saying now hold on a. second. you know it's not good for Arby's. restaurant if you. >> [laughter]. >> you know say in the song could you. instead say I enjoy Arby's And you're. saying what? Why would why would Charli XCX be saying. I like Arby's? It would really help. And. >> [laughter]. >> that is depicted so well in this movie.

and it is funny but it's also it's not. just a funny movie. It also felt like. very much. a snapshot of where we are right now. And I think people are always trying to. depict a lot of movies about famous. people and people going through fame. I. thought this was. the truest depiction I've seen in memory. of what it's really like. Right because. yeah it's like thank you for saying all. of that by the way it's.

so kind of you and. you [snorts] really got the film. >> [laughter]. >> great great news great news You thought. I was an idiot. And the car ride on the way over in your. white Ford. who is this idiot? That's why I wrote I. said nervous. And then they showed you a picture of my. hair and you went what is that? >> [laughter]. >> No I mean you know you never know you're. so locked into the edit and you're like. are we insane? It feels clear to us and.

then you're like you know whatever. anyways um no I you're smart you're. really so smart so that's. >> [laughter]. >> great. You know what I always say? When. Charli when someone likes my work I say. you're smart. >> [laughter]. >> And when someone has any problem with it. I SAY YOU'RE AN IDIOT. THAT'S HOW I'M GOING TO DO PRESS FOR. THIS FILM. [laughter]. Who here's an idiot? You can show yourself out. >> to be really good. You know what's. really nice too is.

you have proven yourself a million times. over with your abilities in music and as. a performer you're very funny. Oh thanks. gosh I love this. No no but you you. really are you're very funny and the way. you play things because um. a lot of people think being funny is. about saying a line in a funny way and. yeah okay that's true but I there's so. much of it which is almost harder to do. which is reactions and you're so much of. the movie is watching your face.

watching what's happening to you and you. are the avatar for the audience so we're. watching it thinking. Jesus Skarsgard's a weird guy. And other people are listening to him. saying well he's a big deal and he's got. a neck scarf and you say yeah but you're. you're taking it in and you could your. face is is you you you play the comedic. moments really well. It was very funny. >> Thank you. And then I I I someone turned. me on to your movie reviews Oh.

and I was reading your movie reviews. which you do on what is it. Letterboxd? Yeah Letterboxd. Okay I'm. cool Letterboxd. What is it now? He said. putting on his glasses it's Letterboxd. >> [laughter]. >> Young lady. go to your room. >> [laughter]. >> You're like a complete unknown you said. there are a lot of songs in this. [laughter]. Uh Moneyball this isn't for British. people.

>> [laughter]. >> I love this one. because as you know. I did a thing once parodying we did a. film parodying Mad Max Fury Road and I. was his name is the Doof Warrior. He's. the guy that hangs off the front of the. truck in Mad Max Fury Road playing the. playing the guitar that shoots flame. Your review for that fantastic movie is. the guitarist dead? Hope so. >> [laughter]. >> And I was just like oh okay.

>> [laughter]. >> You're also a comedy writer which isn't. fair cuz I've worked it out my whole. life and then you step out of the a rave. and do it. >> [laughter]. >> and do it really well but um. I would think your sense of humor would. it's so important to your to everything. it's so important to music and to just. stay sane. Yeah yeah absolutely. I mean. it's yeah I think it's like I have to. take everything with a pinch of salt but. then at the same time I'm also like an. emotional wreck and it's kind of like. balancing the two things and I think.

it's like I I try and approach like. everything I do. with with kind of acknowledgement of. both sides of of my personality whether. that be you know making music or doing. press or you know even the film itself. and I think that's an important part. about the film you know it's like. and to go back to to your point about it. being. what you feel is an accurate depiction. of. fame or success or or.

whatever the phrasing was that you used. it's like. >> [sighs]. >> it it's so ridiculous really isn't it. like the world that we live in or. encounter it's it's it's like amazing. and exciting but it's also like. pointless and ridiculous and then also. so rewarding sometimes and. sometimes I am the complete total. villain you know and I think and I don't. just mean like in the in the film I mean. like actually like in my life in my.

world like I can be a nightmare. sometimes you know what I mean it's. >> What's your about that? >> [laughter]. >> But it's you know it's like and I think. for me it was really important that like. I I wasn't sort of taking I wasn't like. landing in this kind of like. you know like morally like perfect place. at the end of the film because that has. not been my experience with working in. the music industry and my it hasn't been. my experience with fame it's like it's.

complex like you don't always like land. in this place where you're like and now. I've like tied up all the loose ends I. was a great person everybody loves me. and that's the end of the book like no. it's like you hurt people you burn. people you you like are really rude to. your sweet manager on text one day and. they're having probably the worst day. ever but they're professional so they. don't like say anything back you know. and and and you cancel a show you. whatever it is I don't I don't know but.

it's like. it it's all so heightened and crazy and. I hope that we we showed that in the. film and I hope that whilst I. acknowledge I can be. like that sometimes I also hope that I. try and be like a a nice person. Yeah. You know I I hope that I wouldn't be the. real person to ask about that but. >> Well no we've talked to your people and. you're a monster. >> [laughter]. >> Uh. that's just the way it is and I'm.

talking about the people right outside. so you can let them go. Um but uh yeah. uh they have to go. Um I won't tolerate. that on your behalf. No what I love is. that um. you. in your work you've made it kind of a. mission to tell. girls and you're very you have a massive. influence with young women. to say I'm scruffy I say dumb. sometimes I fall down. because what's modeled for them often is.

perfection is fairy tale um is perfect. lighting is. things that they can't possibly compete. with um no one can compete with and you. have gone out of your way. to I think be true to the you that's in. a rave at 4:00 in the morning and it's. do you know what I mean? It's sweaty and. it's chaotic and [snorts] you improvise. some stuff and this went well but I just.

knocked that light over and smashed it. and someone's going to have to pay for. that but it's not me whatever. >> [laughter]. >> I mean I I think you've been very good. about Um, which I admire. And you're not doing it to be a good. person, you're doing it because that's. the way you see the world. Absolutely. >> You're not saying, "Oh, I'm going to do. this good person thing." You're doing it. because that's how you see things and. that's how you see yourself and you want. these young women to see you that way so. they can see themselves that way. Yeah,

it's totally. I mean, and and look, it's. like I I would hope that as I said I am. a good person to those who who meet me. in, you know, in real life. But I didn't. make I didn't decide I wanted to make. art to. be. a. role model or you know. >> not where it comes it can never come. from that. I should not be put in that. category at all. Like, I don't want that. responsibility. I don't think it is an. artist's responsibility to be a role. model. Like, I think opinions on that.

have have kind of changed. It's like the. relationship between fan and artist gets. sort of closer and closer and closer, but I don't really subscribe to that. belief personally. Um, and yeah, I think. it's like if I can show people. that up sometimes is actually. fine because we're all human and we all. probably do it even if we claim to not. on the internet where we're being like. our best most creative versions of. ourselves. Like, I think that's that's. good because I would have loved to have. seen that when I was younger.

>> Yeah, yeah. You know, but um, I also I'm. probably going to like mess up at that. some point at some point, too. You know, it's like that's just how it goes. You. know, I don't want to give anything. away, but the um, the end of your movie, I have to be. careful here cuz I I don't want to give. it away, but it's the end of your movie. is you having to make a choice. Um, a big choice about how you're going. to present yourself on stage and I'm not. going to say what happens, but. people are pressuring you to put on.

these. sort of more the kind of outfits we're. used to seeing when someone does a world. tour or a massive, you know, arena show. Something uh, and and you're putting on. these dresses and things that really. aren't you, but people are saying, "No, you got to wear this cuz this is the. next step.". And I was thinking, was there any point. where you were looking at any of those. dresses thinking, "This is actually I. really like this.". >> [laughter]. >> I think maybe you were.

Okay. Okay. There's a green one you wear. that I must have. >> [laughter]. >> Gosh, yes. CUZ I'VE GOT A KILLER ASS. WELL, COME ON, SONA. YOU'VE SEEN IT. >> [laughter]. >> I haven't. I can't find it. >> you pictures. I can't find it. I have no. ass famously. My [laughter] ass was lost. in a terrible accident years ago. You know, I got to say um, no. There. were There wasn't, but. there was actually like the opposite. experience where I'm I'm sort of.

on the way to making the decision at the. end of the film where I'm kind of trying. to decide like which what show am I. doing? And I'm in a rehearsal for this. more traditional kind of show. Mhm. And. um, on the day that we shot it I'm I'm. wearing this this outfit that is not. something like I've ever worn before. It. is green. I'm Oh, I know the outfit very. well. You know, like green hair, green.

eye shadow. And I'm up on wires. Um, and when we. were shooting it, you know, I was up on. wires up and down for like most part of. two days. But before I went up, my my creative. director in real life came over to me. and she was like, "Are you okay?" And I. was like, uh, yeah, I think so. And she was like, I you you know you look really really. lame RIGHT NOW. >> [laughter].

>> AND THEN AND THEN. AND I WAS LIKE, "REALLY?" I was like, "Really?" And she was like, Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. And then I cried. And then she cried. And she was like, "You've never looked so uncool." And I. was like, "OH MY GOD." And then the. director the director came over and was. like, "You ready to shoot?" I was like, "I HATE YOU.". >> [laughter]. >> THAT'S GREAT. >> And and and he was like, "But this is. the point." You know. But you know. what's really funny and and I honestly. don't think we're giving anything away. cuz if I heard this I'd be like, "I have. to see this movie." And it doesn't give. anything away because we won't tell you.

what happens, but it's a moment in the. movie where you're getting some pressure. uh, to. do the more traditional thing and we. always see pop artists up on, you know, wires. It's just they're they spend more. time up in the air than on the ground. And um, but what really made me laugh is a. visual that people have to see which is. they hoist you up and you're in the. midair and you've got your your outfit. on and your boots and you're holding the. microphone and you're just singing but. not doing any So, they [laughter] just. took you're doing the exact same thing.

you would be doing. You know, you're not. No. It's not Cirque du Soleil. It's if. they took Yeah. a tax lawyer and hoisted. them in the air and told them, "Now do. the do your work." And you were just. there saying, "Well, if I And and that. really made me laugh. There's so much. stuff like that in the film. You know. what I will say from shooting that. scene, I I got to say I have so much. respect for artists who do go up on. wires cuz it is like really hard. It's. really hard to look good and poised and.

effortless. Like, it is so hard. Like, I. really was like at points it all got cut. from the film. I was like really trying. to look good and I kind of look like. Sugar Plum Fairy. It's [laughter] like. really really hard to look like serene. and and gorgeous. It's so impossible. So, respect to Pink and whoever else. who's doing all the flips and stuff. It's very hardcore. >> No, no, it's amazing. that that people can do it and sing and.

move. >> Um, we should do the podcast sometime. when it's the three of us up on wire. >> Yeah, yeah. And then you can be our. guest and we'll hoist you up and we'll. [laughter] tell you you look lame and. you can wear that green dress and tell. us to off. >> Yeah, yeah. It'll be a nice show. Um, Charlie, I am delighted absolutely. delighted to meet you. uh, and just uh, it's so funny because. I. the thing that keeps inspiring me is. people that are much younger than me.

uh, who. are oftentimes in an art form that has. that I maybe I don't understand that. they're doing something completely. different, but I see the same things over and over. again which is really hard working, true. to themselves, disciplined, um, honest, and brave. And I think and and I. look at all those qualities and time and. time again in history those people do. really great things and I get inspired. And you know, so I'm this geezer who's.

like, "That's cool. I'm really glad. you're out there. I'm really glad that. you're doing your work. and doing it so beautifully. Love the. film and please come back sometime cuz. it's been an absolute joy talking to. you." Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. for having me. I had a great time and. thank you. >> right. And we'll talk about this tax. thing. >> Yes, perfect. I think you're wasting. your time in music. No, come on. >> [laughter]. >> She's good with numbers. I know she is.

Okay, it's time for review the. reviewers. This is where I go to Apple. Podcasts. I pull out one of them. just flowing sea of five-star reviews. for this podcast and we review it and. then we review the review. >> like to review you right now. You said. review. Well, I the audience won't know what I'm. talking about. I will have cut that out. >> think so. I think you're going to keep. it in cuz you're going to know it's I. cut that out, but I'm going to keep this. part in. Yeah, better comedy. I would. keep it in. It's good. [laughter]. I'm going to cut all this out. Okay. All.

right, this is from Calabria86. Okay. Sibling rivalry, five stars. Love, love, love the podcast. Conan, you, Sona, and Matt have an infectious. sibling rivalry. What do you think. day-to-day life would have been like if. you three were actually siblings and. grew up together in the same house? Oh, wow. Well, I don't think we even have to suppose. what this would be because we know. We. know. I mean, to pick any period of. history, pick any situation anywhere in. the world, the three of us living in a.

house day-to-day as siblings would be. exactly what you think it is. >> Even as kids would it be any worse or. better? Um, yeah, I think it would be. >> Let's adjust the ages so you're like two. years older than me and I'm two years. older than Sona. Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah, so there's just a two-year gap. between each of us. Am I the oldest? Yeah. >> Yeah, still the oldest. Okay, so. well, I I mean, my brother Justin could. speak to this very well. Um, I would be. uh, 24/7 bits. I would recruit him in bits.

I would So, I'd I'd be recruiting both. of you into my bits. and making you participate against your. will. And um, It would be it would be tough. >> ourselves in this scenario? Then I would pummel the two of you on a. daily basis. >> do to you? I just cuz it's like you're. an easy target. >> Yes. And I you know, you're just going. to be like, "I'm, you know, painting my. figurines or whatever you're doing.". >> he has his figurines. Yeah, he has you. know, famous uh, ar- architects of the.

early 20th centuries, you know, and he's. doing his little paintings of the. figurines. [laughter]. Yeah, he would. >> So yeah, I just I'm just, you know, I'm. going to like kick him and I'm going to. beat you up cuz I think that happened to. me a lot and it made me a much tougher. person. Like, my brother was bigger and. he, you know, he beat me up a lot. And. so, I would. >> I tried. I fought back. I think if I had. weaker people around me, I would beat. them up. So, I think I would just. >> Danny was Danny was just stronger than. you. And I think he He was a real nerd.

He carried a briefcase around as a kid. >> not and I know that's you. >> we just got to get the word out on that. >> know that's you. No, no, no. I know this. for a fact that she I did not carry a. briefcase. >> me you had a briefcase when you were in. college. >> You did have a briefcase. You said you. did. When you were You told that on this. podcast. >> but I was probably bullshitting. I did. not have a briefcase. My brother really. wanted to work in finance for a really. long time and he had a briefcase. >> Her brother had Danny had a briefcase. >> You have said right he said on this. podcast that he had a briefcase. >> I can't remember. >> know that I did have a briefcase. You.

forget every podcast that we record. We. have to I cuz that's I don't think. that's true. I would And I'd be the. first to admit I had a briefcase. No. [laughter] No, it's not that you had a. briefcase. It's that you wanted Is. [clears throat] it that you really. wanted a briefcase? You've talked about. it before. >> I said is that I liked I really loved. office supplies. I loved the ideas of. having like a stamp. I loved the ideas. of having one of those pressy things. that makes like a little medallion on. the paper. >> An embosser. An embosser. I liked No, no. I'm saying I I know this is. terrible, but I really wanted an. intercom where I could go like, "Hello, Louise, you know, put those Get those.

memos out." Uh I loved that. My My dream. when I was a little kid was to be a. mid-level Soviet bureaucrat. >> [laughter]. >> So, your brother had a briefcase. Yeah. >> You showed me a picture once when you. were a little kid and he's standing. there I think he's wearing one of your. dad's suits. It's too big and he's. holding a briefcase. >> Yeah, he does. He used to have a. briefcase, but then he got older and. then he became a jock and he was a. football player and he was like huge. He'd have to work out all the time. And.

so, you know, he would like we would. fight over the remote or whatever and. things like that. So, I got really tough. because of him. And I feel like with you two as my. siblings, you know, I just beat you up. all the time. >> But let's keep in mind in this scenario. I'm 2 years older than you. I'm your. older brother. You still think. >> older than me and I would still beat you. up. >> beat me up. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> That's That's You know what? That scans. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I think you. would beat me up. But. >> So, I'm taking abuse from both sides. >> Yeah, you are. You're you're. >> of all, I don't I think you'd die after.

a year. >> [laughter]. >> I'm being honest. I think I think I open. my veins in a warm bathtub. >> [laughter]. >> I don't want to be in living this life. at. >> No, no. You open your veins in a. bathtub, but we find you, bind you, [laughter]. and then um just and then beat you and. then. >> and you just That's too good a way for. you to go. But no, people are looking for you and then. you're you're found in a bog. What's. left of you? They find your glasses. floating on top of the water. You'd be. dead. We'd kill you so fast. No, no. You'd be gone and then Sona and I I.

think you would quickly realize this. guy's going on to things. He's going to. monetize these bits. And so, you. wouldn't want me dead because you'd know. you can sponge off me the rest of your. life as you do now. I wouldn't want. either of you dead. You're my siblings, right? >> Yeah, you sure love us. Yeah, I sure I. But I I want to I'll fight you. That's. how you people show. >> what? Even if we don't kill Gorley, he. dies of like the milk sickness. >> I know. He's very weak. I'm sorry. You. are. >> Yeah, you'd get the rheumatism, you. know. >> [laughter]. >> Oh, and you'd have braces. You'd have. braces on your chest and your legs. I.

did have braces on my legs. I [laughter]. know. I shouldn't laugh, but. You know those braces you had? Make them. out of a cruder material and that's what. you would have in this scenario. >> Wicker. Yeah. Okay. Um but uh and then I. do say after you're gone, we do feel. badly and we go visit your grave for a. little while. >> Just a little bit. >> we move on cuz I'm a big deal. I've. faked my death [laughter]. just to get away from you guys and I'm. living happily happily anywhere. Anywhere but here. Right now in this. time that I'm not even joking. We're out.

of this role-playing scenario. It's like. the It's like Tom Sawyer, Huck Finn. You're. You're up in a tree You fake your death, you're up in a tree listening to your. own eulogy, but then you fall out of the. tree and you're killed. >> [laughter]. >> I fall right into the grave. >> roll you right into the grave we've. already dug. Yeah. [laughter] I'm like, "Ah, that works.". >> what happens is I'm a ghost. I've got. I'm CIA thing. I had to fake my death. I. got multiple passports. I'm doing my own. thing. I think we all know that's what. happened. >> you become a ghost, but then you're. sickly as a ghost.

>> [laughter]. >> Which has never happened before. Other. ghosts are like, "That's not supposed to. happen." And And then And then you die. as a ghost and become. >> second level of ghost. >> a more translucent ghost. And then. you're still sick. >> [laughter]. >> And you can't be. because the pathogen keeps getting. spread. >> Oh my god. Yeah. And then you're just a ghost. that's wheezing and coughing and blowing. your nose as you are now. >> [laughter]. >> all the time. Oh my god. >> Other ghosts are bullying you. >> Do you think our parents would like. constantly like at dinners and stuff. they'd just Would our parents leave us?

Um For good, yes. Right, that's what I. mean. Like they'll be We've got to go. get cigarettes. But then they again. they'd have that hint that that Conan. guy seems like he's monetizing this bit. thing. We better just keep in touch just. to get some of that sweet scratch. >> But when you were a kid, no one was. like, "He's going to monetize this.". They were like. >> Luke new. Luke new. Did he? Oh, that's. cool. >> [laughter]. >> They didn't say that. He had an abacus and he was figuring out. I [laughter] think that what you do now. while you can monetize it now, back when.

you're a kid, it's like concerning. Right? They were thinking they're going. to monetize this and they were thinking. we need to institutionalize. Yes, that's. what I mean. >> But some of our best artists have been. institutionalized, you know? Okay. I. just made that up. I don't think that's. true. I don't know what that is either. Okay, well, I think we answered that. question. And that was Reveal the. Reviewers. Hey.