Who Put Bella In the Wych Elm? | STUFF YOU SHOULD KNOW

welcome to stuff you should know a. production of iHeart. [Music]. Radio hey and welcome to the podcast I'm. Josh and there's Jerry oh my gosh. there's Chuck sorry. Chuck and this is stuff you should know. and we're off to a weird weird start. already that's right you forgot I was. here I just I don't know what happened. my efference copies on the fritz hey hey.

uh real quick before we get started and. this just hit me uh I went to a work. function yesterday uh wherein we. celebrated Jonathan Strickland our uh. still our colleague but our old buddy. from the old house stuff works early. stuff podcast days who was the long long. long long long time host of tech stuff Y. and he has hung up his Tech boots uh to. as far as hosting that show he's still. around and uh executive producing a. slate of shows but he he decided not to. host Tech stuff any longer longer and we.

just it was great seeing him it's been. quite a while and uh he's doing great. and just hats off to Jonathan and what a. what a great body of work he's he's uh. given the world over all those years. yeah he has man hats off to you John. like that's you should be very proud. we're all proud of you for sure but keep. that your head on Strickland because you. got that bald head we don't want to get. sunburned uh wow that was really cool of. you to bring up I'm glad you did yeah it. was good I saw some of the old crew and. it's just it's been too long uh cuz you.

know we don't go to the office much. anymore and nobody does so it's not like. if I went there we I would see all the. old gang but uh it was good it was nice. to catch up with some people that's cool. man yeah you sent me and Jerry some good. pictures yeah it was fun um okay well on. to the murder of a woman right awful um. so this is a pretty true pretty famous. True Crime um case like really really. famous I'm not sure if you'd heard of it. before have you no no I'm not sure why.

or where it first got me but I'm pretty. sure so um I think Dave helped us with. this and he um linked to a pair of. pictures of a tree and then a diagram of. a of the woman the murdered woman in. this case and like you know um like a. almost an. anatomical diagram of like what was. found where and what she was wearing and. all that and it has like a real Ripley's. Believe It or Not look to it the drawing. does and.

those things are as etched in my brain. as pictures from like the time life. paranormal series wow from when I was a. kid so it's some point I was exposed to. this so it's one of those things that. I've always just kind of known about but. I didn't know any of the details really. and it's a truly fascinating case that I. think one of the things that makes it. appealing too is there's this uh level. of the sense of like witchcraft or um. some sort of like Pagan Cults involved. or something like like that um and it.

turns out that that's not true that's. not the case that a lot of it is just. associated with the tree that she was. found in a witch Elm which has nothing. to do with witches and that she might. not have even been found in that kind of. tree so let's get into it Chuck because. I like confusing everybody from the. outset yeah this definitely smacked of. like a uh tailes from the Crypt or a. weird stories entry or something like. that um this goes back to World War II. in April of 1943 specifically uh Robert.

Hart Bob farmer Tommy Willets and Fred. Payne four teenage boys uh went to what. was called the or what is it called I. guess Hagley wood M um this was a time. in World War II where they were. rationing things like food in Britain so. they were looking for food they were. looking to catch some rabbits or maybe. get some eggs from bird's nest and. 15-year-old Bob farmer saw an opening in. a tree uh went up to check it out and it. looked like an eggshell.

um it turned out it was a skull and so. he got a stick wrapped it with some. cloth and lifted the skull up out of. there and they were like what kind of. animal is this um turns out it was a. human animal it had a clump of hair a. couple of crooked teeth had clearly been. munched on by some animals and so they. were like we're trespassing and we don't. want to get like most kids would do like. uh we don't want to get in trouble so. we're just going to put it back and. never talk about it yeah I think their. quote was hum hum hum right plus tax so.

yeah they could have gotten in decent. amount of trouble I couldn't find. exactly what but they were poaching and. poaching was a big deal um still then I. think it still is now but it's probably. lost a little bit of its you know. punishment sure regardless the the I. guess the oldest boy Tommy Willets he. was. 17 uh despite this vow went right home. and told his parents and I say good boy. Tommy Willets cuz he it was clear to him. like we just found a human skull in a. tree and that's that's something that we. need to talk about so um very quickly.

the police were called in and they. started to investigate and they brought. in a guy named James Webster who was a. pathologist uh with the Birmingham. forensic laboratory and he essentially. led the initial investigation and came. to some pretty pretty good basic. conclusions because there's one thing to. know about this case it has been. um um hijacked and molded in all sorts. of different ways and you really have to. be careful that you're aware of what.

source you're getting your information. from because it's just one of those. cases that people have loved to talk. about and add to and lie about and do. all sorts of stuff with but the stuff. that comes from James Webster is. definitely legit he was he firsthand. examined the body that's right uh so he. cut this tree open um he found uh most. of the skeleton in there it was missing. some small bones and I think they got a. tibia nearby um there was a piece pieces. of clothing there was a shoe there was a.

wedding ring and they you know when you. get a skeleton like that you're going to. reconstruct it and try and figure out. who this person was or what they may. have been you know shaped like right and. they said well this is a woman um. probably about. 35 um 5et tall so you know quite quite. short H with brown hair CU I think I. mentioned those was a little bit of hair. very gruesomely still on the skull yeah. did you see the picture of that I did. yeah uh and she's probably been gone.

about 18 months maybe longer and like I. mentioned animals had gotten into these. bones and you know munched on them some. right um so Webster was like I'm pretty. sure this is a murder there's a few. things that stand out to me one stuffed. into the jaw pretty deeply into the jaw. was a piece of the the tafida from the. woman's dress yeah um and enough that it. was enough of the the piece of the dress. that he was like this could have aixi. somebody if it was stuffed into their.

mouth while they were still alive yeah. probably wasn't a dress eater so maybe. this is murder uh he also said that um. there's no way that this this person was. placed into this tiny opening so it was. about 12 in by 24 in uh like say a third. of a meter by 2/3 of a meter okay yeah. um which is a very tiny place even for a. five five foot woman like that's that's. a I get claustrophobic just thinking.

about that and that if they were dead. already then um like rigger mortise. would have prevented them from being. pushed into there even and then also. this is not the kind of place that a. person's just going to crawl into on. their own accord like they were placed. in there possibly while alive still. which is one of the ghastlier aspects of. this case and so Webster said you know. you put all this together I'm pretty. sure this is a murder that we're looking. at the other thing they had to go on was.

as far as Clues go was they had you know. most of the jaw intact and so they. thought hey maybe we can find a dental. match uh they were not able to um now. that they had this kind of rough. physical description they thought well. let's come through missing persons. reports did not find anything matching. that and so the case went cold for a. while they just kind of put it on the. Shelf um haggle would itself uh we. should describe it a little bit it is on. a private estate but it wasn't like. gated and walled up such that you.

couldn't access it because people would. use it uh people would have picnics. there um while the blitz was going on. and and um cities were being bombed uh. people would leave Birmingham sometimes. and even sleep out there around haggle. wood where it was a little. quieter uh and then a weird thing. happened um in March of 1944 so this is. about almost a year. afterward uh there graffiti started. popping up around town around Birmingham. and we'll see elsewhere uh with white.

chalk letters and all caps on these. brick walls uh two messages at first one. said haggle wood Bella and another said. who put Bella down the witch Elm wych h-. Hagley wood yeah so this is where we get. the name of the victim that everybody. knows and the type of tree that the. victim was found in that everybody knows. from graffiti from an anonymous person. yeah um and but it was enough that the.

police were like okay this seems a. little weird um there were other people. who started to to kind of CopyCat the. whole thing um once the paper started. writing about it but there was at least. uh a third one a couple days later that. was clearly written by this the first. person who wrote the first two um and. they were like maybe this person knows. who it was and they want to find Justice. for the the the woman and they looked. they they reopened the case and this is.

I mean they'd already really extensively. investigated having like both both Jaws. they're like great we'll do dental. records and we'll find who it is nothing. matched they tried to comb through all. of the missing persons reports no one. matched they get this Chuck did you see. that they investigated the shoe and got. really far with it um they they traced. the shoe that they found with her back. to the waterfoot company in Lancashire. okay and um they traced down all but six.

of the the owners of all but six of the. pairs they were sold in a market stall. so this wasn't like looking through the. Market's credit card um receipts they. didn't have credit cards no like they. really were doing some leg work here and. you know hats off to him because let's. not forget um England was getting bombed. almost nightly by the lofa there was. food rationing there was a war on and. they investigated this random you know. know dead person that that hard and then.

they reopened the case I'm just saying I. think they did a good job with what they. were working with totally and by the way. I don't know when credit cards came. about so maybe that's a good shorty so. if I'm wrong uh I imagine they sprung. from credit accounts like with a store. or something but uh yeah maybe we should. do one on that I bet it's Diner Club I. think it was Diner Club in fact with. Telly savales no that was Players Club. oh yeah yeah was it mhm okay because he. was a player yeah yeah he was yeah you.

noted some other graffiti um one of the. ones that seemed to be from the same. hand uh this was in Hazen and another. town nearby this is different just um. because it had a different name and this. one said uh who put lubella l u e b l l. a lubella in the witch Elm uh and we. mentioned that even though it seems like. a a copycat had done it because it was. in different script uh it just gave them. another name to look for and so they.

looked for lella as well and came up. cold as well yes yeah they looked for. everybody Bella Luella Isabella um Lou. Bega everybody and nothing came up right. you never know when he's going to pop up. on the show no you don't that was one of. the best pranks ever played on us pretty. good if you don't know what we're. talking about it's just an Easter egg. and uh listen to every episode and. you'll learn yeah yeah so um the which. Elm thing for those of us who aren't.

familiar with um with British trees. sure um the name which Elm does not mean. which wi T C it's you spelled it before. it's Wy c h and it comes from an Old. English word maybe Vice Vis wi C and. that means smooth or Supple and that. that describes the bark of a witch Helm. has nothing to do with witches witches.

are not associated with the witch Elm. it's not even spelled the same and. yet there's been an association with. witchcraft and this case uh at least in. part because of that even among Brits. like there was a folklorist and. archaeologist named Margaret Murray who. loved to spin a good yarn and she was. one of the first people to associate. this case with witches and basically. said witches killed this lady yeah yeah. so she wrote a book uh a prominent.

folklorist and archaeologist uh she. wrote a book uh you know many books but. one of them was called The Witch cult in. Western Europe so she was really into. this this thing and this kind of idea. and she had a theory that she had been. um promoting that European witches were. in part of this ancient fertility cult. where they had you know sacrifices and. things like that made and she was there. in Birmingham in 1945 investig uh. investigating a different occult murder.

where a farmer had been killed through. the chest and pinned down with a. pitchfork while she was there she he. hears about Bella in the witch Elm and. she's like well that's right at my alley. MH and very quickly was like oh well. this was clearly some kind of witchy. witchcraft occult sacrifice that. happened um because um putting corpses. in a tree is a form of ancient tree. worship and so that's obviously what. happened here um also uh the you know. this severed hand that we found near the.

tree um with the bones I guess the hand. bones um that's part of an ancient thing. called a hand of Glory which uh you dug. up some stuff on which I thought was. super interesting yeah it's it's nothing. like what it sounds like with hand of. Glory um instead it's a old burglar. Superstition that you would take a. severed hand and put a candle in it like. make it hold a candle or you would. basically attach candles to all five. fingers fingers that tips of them and.

then you'd light it and if it stayed lit. then that meant that everybody in the. house you were about to Rob was asleep. if any of them went out that meant that. there was somebody still awake and you. shouldn't Rob that house it had nothing. to do with witchcraft um and then even. more so there was no hand found severed. from the body that doesn't appear in any. of the initial police reports yeah it's. just an it's a great example of the lies.

that came up so to to legitimize this. idea that it was the hand of Glory. somebody just said along the way maybe. even Margaret Murray that the hand was. severed and found at the trunk of the. tree and you will see that everywhere. even in ones that don't mention. witchcraft it's just that's how cases. like this just get you know that's how. they become unsolvable over time but I. mean I guess it doesn't really matter. but for some reason it's just always. ticked me off no I get it um I don't. know if have your phone but I just. texted you a picture of uh and I just.

want to shout it out because it looks so. darn good on Etsy a hand of Glory candle. oh yeah the company is Wailing dip. candles MH and it is a frighteningly. realistic old hand with candle wicks. coming out of each of the fingers and. the thumb I got to check this out let me. go grab my phone. [Music].

oh my gosh it's amazing so Josh really. did go get his pH like it doesn't even. look old it looks like they just severed. a hand and and planted some Wicks on it. like wow well it doesn't look. young well okay so it looks like an aged. person's hand but it's not like a. mummified no no no no it looks like a. real hand and I'm hoping we move these. things it's uh for this company it's. kind of pricey it's 85 bucks but I. reckon if you amortize that over like 10. Halloweens uh that's not too bad it's. like 850 a year to have a good spook.

yeah I do feel like we need to change. the name hand of Glory though first of. all it doesn't make sense and secondly. sure it really does sound dirty let's. just be honest about it yeah. unfortunately attaching the word glory. to other objects is just that's not so. good yeah that's true Blaze of Glory. good yeah just ask uh Jerry Jones um. so the idea that it's witchcraft um was. like we said really just sort of. invented by Margaret Murray who happened. to be there investigating an another.

case altogether yeah by the way that was. Charles Walton who was murdered almost. certainly by his employer in a raid yeah. that's right so that wasn't witchy. either it was just like I'm I'm. pitchforking your hay and I get mad at. you and so I'm G to kill you with the. thing in my hand right uh and you know. what actually we should probably take a. break here oh uh because we've been. going for 19 minutes now and it's it's. kind of a good little uh little. cliffhanger. okay we'll be right.

[Music]. [Music]. [Music]. back all right so I mentioned a. cliffhanger it wasn't really a. cliffhanger I'm not sure why said that. but um let's jump forward a little bit.

to 1953 where the story takes a turn. there was a a journalist there named. Wilford uh Wilfred biford Jones. apparently had a pin name that was uh. quar it's basically yeah q u a e s t o r. and you can see the A and the E join too. you know yeah I could see that uh but oh. Wilfred wrote a bunch of um very. speculative articles about Bella's. murder uh which only led to confus usion. and falsehoods um a lot of it had to do.

with witches of course and uh blaming. stuff on uh the Romany people um you. know what they called gypsies at the. time like coming through town uh doing. something like that and all this to say. uh one of these stories was caught by a. reader who wrote in to Byer Jones under. the name of uh Anna of claverly and. basically was like I know the deal uh. I'll just read it real quick um finish. your finish your articles re the witch.

Elm Crimes by all means they are. interesting to your readers but you will. never solve the mystery the one person. who could give you the answer is now. beyond the jurisdiction of Earthly. courts uh in other words Dead uh the. affair is closed and involves no witches. black magic or Moonlight rights the only. Clues I can give you are that the person. responsible for the crime died insane in. 1942 and the victim was Dutch and. arrived illegally in eng. about 1941 I have no wish to recall.

anymore right and the police said well. TS because you're going to have a secret. meeting with us yeah I guess they they. found Anna and like brought her in for. an interview yeah and Anna's name was. una mup um and she eventually became. unaa hainesworth but during the time of. the murder she was married to a guy. named Jack mup and I saw altern. alternatively that he worked in a local. Munitions Factory or that he was a RAF.

instructor or that he worked in a. factory building plane engines. regardless he existed he was married to. una and um he una told the story to the. cops that one night Jack brought home a. friend named Van ralt a Dutchman and. that uh apparently at some point Jack. admitted to una that he was on Van ral's. payroll and Van Ral was a spy for the. Nazis and apparently Jack was feeding. him information about local factories. and stuff to help the L wafa plan their.

bombings right so Jack was a real great. a bastard as far as things went because. he traded his country in for some. spending money right and una said one. day um Jack came home uh in March or. April of 1941 came home late he was. drunk but he was super agitated right uh. said you know pale as a ghost he said. he'd been at a pub with van ralt and uh. what he called a Dutch piece uh who was.

this Dutch woman I didn't know they use. as that kind of language back then or. maybe it meant something else I have no. idea but that's those were the words. that he used and then he said things got. awkward uh we can just chalk that up to. understatement of the year um she I. guess was also drunk passed out in Van. ral's car and Van ralt supposedly as. this story goes had a very strange idea. was hey let's go stick this woman in. that tree and she'll she'll sober up in. the morning and come to her senses and.

Jack uh apparently una said was never. the same he started drinking more and. more quit working still had this money. um but eventually una said I'm out of. here and I'm leaving you I'm taking our. kid uh she saw him again about a year. later in 1942 when he was really coming. apart at the seam saying that he keeps. seeing this woman in his mind in the. tree she was learing at him and he was. eventually uh committed to a mental. hospital where he died about 8 months.

before Bella's body was discovered yeah. he died of um as far as his um death. certificate is concerned a combination. of cerebral softening myocardial. degeneration chronic nefritis an acute. um in acute something Insanity I can't. even remember my own abbreviation okay. but you put those together and that guy. is like dead dead dead um so un know. story sounded like this actually all.

makes sense uh from what I can tell she. provided information that you wouldn't. have just been able to glean from the. papers and what's more she didn't really. have much to. gain she wrote in anonymously and. resisted coming forward so it wasn't. like she was a publicity Hound it'd be a. weird thing to make up she would be like. a mastermind attention getter to to to. really like yes it would be a weird. thing to say to to make up right yeah I.

mean it's a weird thing to do to have. that idea like hey let's go stuff that. woman in a tree I mean it's oh beyond. the no that's weird and then it's a. weird thing for that not to have. happened and for this woman to sort of. invent it it's all just beyond the pale. exactly one of the things is though is. so like if this was a joke what you know. what tree how did Van ralt know that. that tree right was there in the first. place and that it had this 12x 24 you. know space in it the the the thing is.

this is Far and Away the most legitimate. explanation for what happened this is an. unsolved case it's an unsolved mystery. but for my money like this is as close. as we're ever going to get no I agree uh. you know cops obviously searched for Van. ralt they searched for uh you know. records wise um a Dutch national who may. have fit the description that una gave. um but it went cold yet again uh and. then we flashed forward to 1968. uh there's a writer named Donald.

McCormick uh who picked up the case for. a book he was writing called Murder By. Witchcraft and this is when he I mean. this guy doesn't have a very good. reputation as a writer because it seems. like he would just uh they called him a. fantasy historian like he would just. make stuff up um make a lot of weird uh. claims and theories um he would say. things like uh you know I was able to. interview someone exclusively who was. Anonymous and that no one else would. could talk to uh and and here is that. interview and in this case he said you.

know this interview that I got with this. guy that no one else knows about or. we'll talk to and who shall remain. anonymous was a former Nazi spy. recruiter hiding in Paraguay and Bella. was a Dutch born German spy named Clara. or Clara Bella and uh I've even got Nazi. intelligence files on this I'm not going. to show you um but it says that she. parachuted in Birmingham um in March or. April 1941 so the timeline fits and she. happened to look just exactly like who. was described by.

una yeah so um Dave points out that this. guy had a habit of making his puzzle. pieces fit together a little too neatly. so essentially he found out about unaa. um mup story and it's decided to make it. real by corroborating it with his. imagination um this his book though is. the the book that we get the very famous. pictures that I was familiar with that. caught my attention as a kid but it's. really important to point out here the.

tree that he shows is not the tree that. she was found in you said toward the. beginning of the episode that the cops. chop that tree down to look for more. evidence to so that tree doesn't exist. anymore and yet that's that picture that. Donald McCormack put forth as the tree. is what you see on the internet still. today is the tree she was found in and. that that's possibly not even the kind. of tree that she might not have been. found in a witch Elm the cops mentioned. that she was found in an Elm but that's.

it and then apparently some people have. been able to examine the photos of the. original tree and said it's not a witch. Elm because you don't cut witch Elms. down that. way that story about you seeing that. picture when did that. happen I was probably like 10 11 I think. probably in like a school library book. or something myy recently okay I no no. that's that's how I was walking around. with this case for that many years like. I saw it in some book when I was a kid I.

got that makes so much better I can I. can even remember like the cellophane. covering of the book cover even feel it. my fingers right now I can smell it. that's it smells awful that makes much. more sense because you were talking in. those sort of ways about it and I. thought it was recent and I was like. that's a a weird Nostalgia for something. that happened a few weeks ago right it. makes me nostalgic for yesterday I can. still remember that moment in uh. December right no not like that little. kid stuff uh all right so that's that.

book aside um another twist came in. 2013 uh the independent ran a story. about Bella connecting it to a spy uh. named ysep yobs uh who's a German spy. who evidently parachuted into a field. near Cambridge in February. 1941 got hurt really badly uh could not. walk fired his pistol in the air to. attract some some help ideally and said. hey fuzz yeah so the cops come and he's.

in police custody he has a wireless. transmitter a fake ID um almost 500 lb. in cash but also a head shot a. photograph of a woman but like a a. professional head shot of this you know. attractive smiling woman and on the back. of it in English it said my dear I love. you forever you're Clara. landow uh 19 July. 1940 okay yeah so there's a lot that's. weird about this so um Clara landow this.

picture of Clara landow was actually a. picture of Clara bowerly who was a. well-known I saw her described as a. movie star but at least a movie actress. and a cabaret singer a German ly. bun and so yeah exactly I think that's. almost exactly who this could have been. based on she was apparently as far as. ysep yakob is um had said to MI5 in. multiple interviews that this was his. mistress that um they met in in uh bowly. was singing with a group called The.

Bernard Eda orchestra that just goes to. show you Dave's dedication to research. um and that yobs and bowerly were both. crypto nais meaning that they were not. actual Nazis they were pretending to be. Nazis and they had fooled the Germans or. at least yakob had into um taking them. on as a spy and sending him to England. he planned to get to England defect and. make his way to America but first he. wanted to set up a fake operation enough.

to convince the Germans to send bowerly. after him. and this this is it that's it like. that's that's what ysep yakob said but. the independent was like ho ho let's. fill in some blanks and come up with our. own Theory uh Donald McCormack style. yeah they uh they did some research they. looked for obviously for records for. Clara uh bowly and they did find. information and confirm yes she was a.

cabaret singer in Germany she would have. been 35 years old at the time of the. murder just like the the skeleton you. know seemingly. confirmed um but had she had she come to. England was the big question uh all they. found was a uh claraa with a K uh Clara. Sophie bowerly who was 35 who did go to. Germany uh I'm sorry from Germany to. England and uh stayed from 1930 to 32. but that was kind of it no information. at all about what she did in England but.

they ran with it anyway they did I mean. think about it so like she left a full. eight n years before uh Bella and the. witch Elm happened was was killed yeah. uh and yet yeah the independent like so. what so based on all this um with a. bunch of pie filling that they mashed in. with it the independent came up with a. new Theory uh and I say we take a little. break and come back and talk about it. after this. [Music].

[Music]. [Music]. so like I was saying the independent. came up with their own pet theory for. the Bella and the witch Helm case and. what it what they said was okay so Clara. Clara Bow. um had come to England in the 30s and.

was a performer a cabaret singer here as. well as as in Germany uh and that she. became known as Clara Bella like maybe. this is a stage name she adopted or. something like that but it was a mashup. of her name Clara bowly and that was the. foundation that they based everything. else on yeah uh they said here's what. she did she parachuted into England in. 1941 um she was you know trying to catch. up with her parachuting boyfriend Yosef. yakups and they thought that was the. only way to get into a country I guess.

to drop into the middle of a field um. and they said Hey what if this Clara was. who was in that tree who was killed by. Van ralt um like we think that that's. who was in The Witch Elm and that. graffiti artist uh had to have known. that clarabella or Bella uh was her name. and tried to get Justice for this murder. right and they walked away like this. yeah could you hear that did that come. through yeah I think so so um yeah so.

there's some problems with this Theory. number one um she was not Clara bowly. was not 5 feet tall she was approaching. six feet tall that's the biggest problem. with this right that's a pretty big. problem I I would I would say that. there's an even bigger problem than this. and that is that she died a full year. after um Bell did in a German Hospital. of a barbituate overdose yeah th those. two very large problems with this story. that did not keep them from running the.

story no and this is 2013 this isn't the. independent you know decades ago this. was well I guess a decade ago but still. it was recent enough that they should. know better than making up basically new. theories and printing them as if they're. basically fact so um one of the good. things that came out of this um was of. ysep yacob's being brought into this. case although just totally like that was. the independent that did that that was. like he was not mentioned that he was.

not tangential the case he had nothing. to do with it basically but his. granddaughter Jazelle K yobs or Jacobs. I'm not sure which one she goes by she. has a PHD in ancient history so she. knows about being a historian and she's. applied some of that to the Bella and. the witchel case on a website called. ysep yobs doino and it is very well. researched and well written information. about this case so if you're interested. in it at all go check that out yeah.

finally uh which is great um if you're. were wondering about DNA you know. sometimes they can you know find DNA on. old stuff uh but everything has been. lost apparently um all everything was. being passed around and moved around in. different boxes and different labs and. this is in the 1940s and 50s and uh no. one knows if it even exists at all. anymore if it's you know hidden away. besides uh the the um Arc of the. Covenant and some some Warehouse or. something you know I mean it's possible.

that someone will find it at some point. you know yeah it might still be out. there or it could have been lost or a. building could have burned down like who. knows like our L episode Jerry has no. idea no idea that's gone for good that's. not in any warehouse anywhere no which. is probably a good thing uh and now. we'll wrap up this episode with five. minutes on the ancient Woodland. management technique of. coping very funny uh you got any. anything else I have nothing else uh.

well go forth if this floated your boat. and read more about Bella and the witch. Elm the case just be wary of where your. information's from uh and there's a lot. more to it there's a lot well there's a. lot more out there to read how about. that uh and in the meantime it's time. for listener. mail uh I'm going to read this and. preface it with uh we got quite a few. emails remember when you um tied John. Williams uh I guess uh Star Wars people. are going to be so mad is it Darth. Vader's theme or the Imperial Death.

March one of those Imperial something or. other sure something like that uh you. tied that to um who was it Bach I I. don't remember Chan's funeral March and. I stand by that's right and we got quite. a few uh music people that wrote in and. were you know gave us the old hey well. actually uh these differences here and. there and here and there fair enough not. knocking those people for knowing much. more about that kind of thing than than. us you just know what your ears told do. well also I called up John Williams and.

he was like yep I love that funeral. March keep up the good work. boys uh he wrote our theme song too by. the way sure no one knows that no U but. this is from lad who gets your back uh. Hey guys hope all is well finally. somebody said it Josh John Williams. likes to borrow heavily from classic. Works uh please listen to lasaka Du. the right of spring by strabinsky and. you will hear the theme from Jaws as.

well as many other hits that Mr Williams. has taken on loan uh not saying he. hasn't done a lot for the genre but if. this is a sampling issue he'd be paying. a lot of money to those. composers uh keep up the work and stay. sexy and that is from uh lad thanks lad. appreciate that loved your turn as the. little kid and Lost Boys yeah and I uh. by the way we watch The Lost Boys with. Ruby the other night would she think. that's her second sort of adult movie in.

a row after Terminator 2 she loved it I. looked it up beforehand I was like. surely Lost Boys has some gratuitous. nudity or some awful like sexy stuff and. it really doesn't it's some some kind of. gruesome stuff but she's totally good. with that and a little bit of language. and she knows all that stuff sure and. she really dug The Lost Boys cuz she. likes all that spooky witchy stuff yeah. it's a really good movie uh and it you. know it was pretty fun it's it holds up. in the way that' 80s movies like that. hold up yeah yeah it definitely did I. saw it not too long ago and was like.

this is like I said it before I'll say. it again it's a good movie yeah. agreed uh well thanks a lot lad again I. appreciate being backed up that was very. refreshing and if you want to be like. lad and back me up about some stand I. took that everybody tried to shout me. down on and I said no I'm not going to. be shouted down they're like yes you are. and I said no I'm not and then it just. kind of hung out there until you email. in we love that kind of thing you can. send us that email to stuff podcast. iheartradio.com. [Music].

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