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[Music]. Welcome back everybody. We're moving. along on our true crime playlist with an. episode we recorded live in Seattle in. 2017 on the unsolved mystery of DB. Cooper. Someone using that alias. hijacked a plane flying from Portland to. Seattle in 1971 and jumped out midair. making off with $200,000. People still float suspects today and. they usually say the case is solved, but. the FBI stopped investigating back in. 2016 and they consider it unsolved. This.

one is pretty fun, so I hope you enjoy. it. And if you like this live show, come. see us when we hit the road again in. 2026. [Music]. >> Welcome to Stuff You Should Know from. how stuffworks.com. [Music]. Hey and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh. Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. And we are here live at the beautiful. Neptune Theater in beautiful Seattle and.

beautiful Washington. [Applause]. Thank you you guys.

Phenomenal. >> I'm already a sweaty mess, so that must. mean we're on stage. >> We are off to a great start. >> That must mean I'm awake. >> or sleeping. Yeah, I sweat in my sleep, too. >> Big time. >> It's gross. >> I'm always wiping his brow while he. sleeps. >> What movie we gonna watch tonight in the. hotel? >> Is a spy out yet on? >> I don't know. And we can leave the seat. up on the toilet. >> I don't I don't do that. >> I don't either cuz I pee sitting down.

because I'm 45 years old. >> Do you really? >> Well, yeah. I might as well get into it. Um, what. you do, too? Why have we never talked about this? I started being sitting down at during. the middle of the night, get up because. if it just makes sense because you don't. want to wake up too much and you don't. want to like make a mess. >> And then I think I just hit a certain.

age where I was like it it's just nicer. to sit down. >> I don't need to prove anything to. anyone. I stand your lady. >> Huh? >> You landed your lady. You're all set. >> Yeah. I stand when I pee off my deck at. night. >> I don't do that. I live in a condo. complex. They would write letters to me. if I would. >> It's not good, >> man. I feel like an enormous weight's. just been lifted off of. >> I can't believe that you're not even 40.

years old yet and you pee sitting down. >> Yeah. >> Let's uh let's start the podcast. Are there other guys out there that pee. sitting down? >> All right, we are starting a movement, baby. >> That's right. Your ladies will appreciate it. >> Oddly, I pooped standing up. [Applause].

>> This is so off the rails already. like. like in in conversation. You'll just be. sitting there talking to him. You're. like, "You're pooping right now, aren't. you?". >> Yeah. >> He's like, "It's more efficient this. way. I get more done. >> We should probably start over.". >> Well, you should. We're going to get off. stage and come back out. I can't believe. what we've been talking about here this. evening already. Okay. Let's all just take it down a. notch. All right. Uh so, we're podcasting. We're about to.

start podcasting. Mhm. >> I think I already started the podcast. Oh god. Which means that's going to be. on like the thing we. >> That's why I said we should start over. >> Oh, okay. You ready? >> It stays here, everybody. >> Yeah. Is all our secret. 500 people, >> right? >> Okay. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm. Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck. Bryant. And we are live here at the. beautiful Neptune Theater in Seattle,

Washington. Man, times two. >> That's even better. >> That's an in joke. >> People will be like, "Even better than. what?".

>> Really? There's a lot of there's more crossover. between our fans and Howard Stern than. our fans and Mariners fans, I think. >> Boy, there's a vin diagram out there. that's uh confusing me already. >> Okay, so Chuck, >> yes, >> this is a little bit of history. >> Yeah. >> So, we're going to go back in the way. back machine. >> That's right. It's if you listen to the PR live. podcast, you know that like the wayback.

machine is imaginary, so settle down. >> They heard that live. >> Yeah, that was a good one, too. >> There are PR professionals here cuz they. emailed me today. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah, >> I can tell. >> That's the call of the PR professional. >> Kak. So, we're going back to a cold, stormy, rainy, pretty nasty Thanksgiving Eve in.

1971. And the story begins at PDX, Portland. airport, and a man walked into PDX, took a picture of his shoe on the. carpet, and then walked along to the. Northwest Orient Airlines ticket desk. >> That's right. and he walked up and he. said, "Hi, I am really interested in. finding more about flight 305, the. flight to uh Seattle. Would that happen to be a Boeing 727-100.

airplane that you guys are going to fly. on that route?". And the ticket agent went, "Uh, yes, as. a matter of fact, it is." And the man. said, "That is fantastic. Here's my. $20.". >> Yeah. one ticket, please, for a one-way. ticket between Portland and Seattle. aboard flight 305. >> Yeah. And she was like, "That's a weird. question, but I guess he's very specific. about what kind of plane he likes to fly. on.". >> Plus, it's 1971, and I'm in no position.

to publicly question a man, so I'll just. go along with this. >> It's very true. And it was $20 for that flight. This is. a very 70s podcast. So, uh, they handed him his little. ticket voucher and said, "Just fill this. out, sir. Uh, don't need to see ID. because it's 1971. Just tell us who you. are. Uh, or whoever you want us to think. you are." And he wrote down in big block. letters and a red ink pen, Dan Cooper.

Few, you know where we're going with. this, huh? So, the Boeing 727-100, as every single person in this room. knows, is a smalish plane. Uh, it's not. the biggest plane in the Boeing fleet. It's not the smallest either, but it's. the only one that had an aft staircase, right? And this particular flight flying. aboard this Boeing 727-100, flight 305, had a crew of five aboard. it. There was Captain William Scott, not.

Sha William Scott, we figured out later. on. >> Not Stiffler. >> That would have made zero sense. >> Yeah. >> Had he had a former life in the 70s as. an airline pilot. uh co-pilot Robert. Ratzac. There's a C in there for those. of you who like that kind of thing. Um. and uh there were three flight. attendants. There was a head flight. attendant who was uh named Alice. Hancock, right? >> Yes. >> And then two, I guess regular flight. attendants, Tina Mlau, who's a hero of.

ours, and Florence Shaner. >> I think they called them steartes back. then to be fair, >> right? >> But we're forward thinking guys, so. we're we're going to go ahead and say. flight attendant. >> We don't use the sword. You just make Well, never mind. >> Never mind. We've done quite enough. extraneous stuff for. >> I know. So, uh Dan Cooper gets on the. plane. There's 37 other passengers cuz. again, it was the '7s. They didn't. overbook flights back then and say, "I'm. sorry you bought a ticket, but you. really can't fly on this flight." Uh 37.

passengers, pretty empty. And Dan Cooper. seats uh sits in seat 18C. Uh they pour him up a bourbon in 7Up and. he lights up a cigarette. >> A Raleigh brand cigarette. >> because it's 1971. You could smoke on. planes. >> Yeah. >> And uh he looked to be about in his. mid-40s. He was, you know, kind of look. like the men of the time uh which is to. say you either looked by 1971, you. either looked a little more like Don. Draper, kind of holding on to that 50s. look, or you look like Charles Manson.

>> He looked a little more like Don Draper. >> Yeah. had the suit, had the skinny tie, >> and the we should talk a little bit. about the suit. The suit was a russet. colored suit, which was like that weird. burgundy brown color. >> that's potato colored it, >> right? And it just so happened that he. was wearing the suit during the one. six-month period in history where you. could wear that color suit out in. public. So, he was okay. And then his. skinny tie was a clipon from J. C. Penney. >> That's right. He had a uh imitation.

mother of pearl type in. He had uh an. overcoat. He had uh a hat. He had a bag. kind of like a briefcase. And he had. these black horn rim sunglasses. Um dark. kind of uh olive skin. Would you say? >> They call them sworthy, which I think is. like steartish that's been phased out. You know what I mean? >> I thought swary. I thought that was like a sea captain. No, I'm sure there were swary sea.

captains. >> because Yeah, because they were out in. the sun, so they ended up getting olives. skinned. >> That's uh rugged. >> Okay. >> You're thinking of the Gorton's. fisherman. >> Oh, right. Oh, he was sworthy. >> Sure. >> He's sworthy as H. So, uh he had uh he. had this kind of dark wavy hair. Um and. other than that, he just sort of an. unremarkable dude. He wanted to blend. in. >> Right. Well, yeah. Okay. So, this guy's. sitting in 18C. He's being unremarkable.

aside from wearing the sunglasses. He's. smoking with his left hand, which has. nothing to do with anything, but we just. kind of wanted to show off how much. research we've done on this. >> And uh when Florence Shaner, the flight. attendant working his area, comes over. um and gives him his bourbon and I think. Seven Up, right? >> Yeah. >> Um he hands her a note. And to Florence. Shaner, she was 23. She was very pretty. She was uh at the time a stewardist and. um this happened to her all the time.

like businessmen drinking sevens and. sevens like pass her notes and hit on. her all the time. So when this guy in 18. C Dan Cooper handed her a note, she took. the note and just put it in her flight. apron without looking at it and turned. and walked away. >> with all the other notes. >> Right. Exactly. There was previous. flights. Yeah. From all the men who. wanted to rescue her from her life. Come away with me. I'm sworthy. >> And so Dan Cooper sees us and he goes,

"Uh, miss, uh, you may want to have a. look at that note. I have a bomb.". >> I think you know where we're going with. this. DB Cooper, [Music]. >> you know, we when we were coming here. today, we were like, "Oh, we're really. rolling the dice." It's entirely. possible that everyone here had the DB. Cooper case drilled into them from like. third grade on. That's not the case, is. it? >> No, >> you didn't study it in class. And. >> such a side relief. >> I I told that to Yumi and Yumi was like,

"That's so dumb." She's like, "Do you do. you know everything about the burning of. Atlanta?" And I said, "No." And she's. like, "No, no, you don't." And they. don't know everything about DB Cooper. And I went back to sleep. So, uh, this was, um, not the first. commercial, uh, airplane hijacking. It. actually the first one was in 1948. And. remarkably, um, between 1968, just three years earlier, and the time. DB Cooper hijacked this plane, there.

were 100 commercial hijackings in 3. years. >> Yeah. So, this is not new. >> It was not new, but I remember like if. anyone here grew up in like the 70s and. stuff, it was a thing like planes got. hijacked all the time because you could. bring guns and bombs on planes and you. didn't need ID and no one cared, >> right? They were like, "hm, this is. weird.". >> Yeah, that's pretty much where the FBI. was at the time. And by 1971, they were. just starting to like get hip to the. idea of hijackings being a problem. And.

so their first idea was, "Well, we'll. put an air marshal on every flight." And. then they looked at the schedule of. flights in the United States and they. were like, "Oh, this may have been a bad. idea." But they tried it. good idea. >> It was a fine idea if everyone if like a. third of the population of the United. States were air marshals then yeah it. was a good idea. >> It's a good idea if you want one of. every like 300 flights with an air. marsh. >> Right. Right. And the other 299 open for. hijacking. Right. So this was they.

figured out after a few years like why. the logistics of American air travel. >> Jay Edgar Hoover's idea by the way he. was still in charge of the FBI in 1971. >> Yeah. So he'd been there for about 50. years, right? >> Yeah. >> So his idea was air marshals. Didn't. work. Um but they were still trying it. There was no air marshall on flight 305, the DB Cooper hijacking flight. >> Yeah. They're like, uh Portland to. Seattle. Maybe we should put like three. air marshals on that one. >> Hight traffic flight. And I mean it made. sense that there would not be an air.

marshal on that flight because most. hijackings were crazed lone gunman with. a handgun who wanted to be taken to Cuba. for political reasons basically, right? >> No one flying from PDX to CEK wanted to. be taken to Cuba. So there was no reason. for an air marshal to be on the flight. It was a pretty good bet to not have an. air marshal on. They just didn't expect. DB Cooper because he was a pretty novel. person. The idea of a single guy taking. control of a flight for money with a.

bomb, that was new. And like our whole. conception of a mad bomber hijacking a. flight comes from DB Cooper and Sunny. Bono's character in Airplane 2. This is actually I did a little more. research between 1968 and 79. It's. literally referred to as the golden age. of skyjacking. I I was talking to Josh. was like, I. didn't know you could have I thought a. golden age was about something good. I. didn't know you could have the golden. age of dysentery, >> right?

>> The good old days. >> It was good for the hijackers cuz they. could get away with it no problem. >> Maybe that's who wrote that. The golden. age of skyjacking, >> man. All right, so uh Florence Shaner, uh I'm sorry, Schaffer reads the note. and she says, "Uh, you know what? Give. me or Cooper says, you know what? Give. me that note back." which is a very key. thing because that means they won't have. a sample of his handwriting. Yeah. >> So he asked for the note back and from. that point on he uh did not converse. like everything else he had them write.

down to take to the captain so they. would have no more like physical. evidence of his handwriting. >> Yeah. The only handwriting sample had. was that ticket duplicate and it was in. block letters which Yeah. He went like. this Cooper. >> So she sits down and she says uh you. know I want to know that this is legit. This is for real. Can I Can I like get a. look at that bomb that you're talking. about? Makes sense. And he shows her, right? >> Yeah. He gives her a little peek. >> He opened her her his bag just enough. and she went to put her fingers in and.

he snapped it shut and she went. >> just like Pretty Woman. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And uh but she sees what, you know, she. sees red sticks of dynamite and a. battery and and I guess presumably like. an an alarm clock with two two bells on. it, >> right? It's got like a skull and. crossbones. It's like says you die or. something. >> Electrical tape is all around it because. uh he watched a lot of cartoons. He. knows how to make a bomb. >> Well, she I mean she bought it clearly. Um she saw the bomb and she uh took down.

a note. He said, "Take this down. I have. a ransom demand. He said, "I want. $200,000 by 5:00 PM in cash. Put it in a. knapsack. I want two back parachutes and. two front parachutes. When we land, I. want a fuel truck ready to refuel. No. funny stuff or I'll do the job, >> which is that was tough talk in 1971.". >> Again, he watched a lot of cartoons. And. that's what you say when you mean.

business. Uh that roughly is about $1.2. two million dollars today. >> Yeah. >> Um I think it's a little low. If you're. gonna go through a skyjacking, >> it's a lot of work for a million. dollars. >> Yeah. I would have said like if you're. gonna ask for 200 grand, ask for 300 or. 400. That's just me. >> Sure. >> I'm no skyjacker. So this is turns out to be the only. threat that uh Dan Cooper makes during. the entire ordeal. He he he is this very. first note that he gave up. So from that. point on, like I said, he dictated.

everything else uh so they could just. pass notes uh back and forth. And aside. from a couple of conversations uh with. the pilots on the cockpit phone from the. rear of the plane to the cockpit, uh. they didn't have any interaction, the. pilots whatsoever with Dan Cooper. >> So there were like almost no help. whatsoever during the investigation. Right. And then the fact that he asked. for two parachutes was a stroke of. brilliance because it did show his hand. to the FBI that he was going to jump out. of the plane with the ransom money. But.

it also said FBI, I'm probably going to. make a hostage jump with me, so don't. tamper with any of these parachutes. Which if the FBI had would have been. murder, but we're talking about JA. Grouver's FBI, so they may have they may. have tried just that. So, it's pretty. smart that he asked for two pair because. they didn't know what he was going to. do. >> That's right. So, Shaner takes uh that. ransom note, gives it to Alice Hancock. She takes it over to the the pilot and. the co-pilot and uh well, what did they.

do? Josh, you do a great pilot. They. called Seek Airport and said, >> "Uh, CEK, we just want to advise you on a bit. of a fiddlesticks we got going on up. here. Uh, Sunonny Bono is taking control of the. plane. He wants $200,000 in negotiable. American currency. >> by 5:00 p.m. >> Negotiable American currency. >> Yeah. >> It was a very weird thing to ask for.

>> It was. And so CEK was like, "We should. probably call the cops." And the cops. said, "We should probably call the FBI.". >> Well, yeah. This was the Seattle Police. Department in 1971. They were like, "No, no, no, no, no. We we don't deal with. things like this. >> They're like, "Wait, wait. This guy. doesn't want to go to Cuba. We don't. understand.". >> Like, we're literally waiting for John. Rambo to wander through town, >> right? >> So, we can harass him. >> Just 10 more years. >> Wait, that was Oregon, though, wasn't. it? >> Okay. >> Pretty close. That joke will kill.

tomorrow night. >> Yeah, man. Rambo joke. >> Yeah. Remember it. So, um, all of a. sudden, like there's all this crazy. energy going on down on the ground, right? So, the FBI comes in and, um, they're they're trying to get the money. together. Um, they're like, "You we we. have an hour. You got to give us more. time." He's like, "No, you can't have. more time." They're like, "Okay, that's. fine. We'll get all this stuff together. You guys are going to have to stay up.

there until we get everything ready for. you." So the plane is circling CTAC and. they told the passengers that um the. plane was experiencing mechanical. problems. which I would have had a problem hearing. you know it wouldn't have like I think. they could have thought that through a. little more. >> Yeah it's experiencing mechanical. problems so we're just going to keep. flying. >> We're going to stay aloft see what. happens. Captain Scott is a gambling man.

So um. >> everyone was drinking and smoking. cigarettes. So they didn't care. They. were hooking up in the bathroom. This. was 1971. >> If it had been Chucky, you would have. been like, "I told you we should have. driven.". >> I know. >> It's nothing. >> Could have been to Portland. >> So they had to circle for an hour and. they ended up telling the passengers, "Oh, we just need to burn off some gas. and everything will be fine, right?" And. the passengers apparently were totally. unaware that they've been hijacked. That's how cool Cooper was, right? But. one passenger later said, "I had a.

pretty good feeling we've been. hijacked." And the the press pool was. like, "Shut up. Go get off the day.". >> He was that guy. >> Next person. >> Yeah. >> Um. >> I was at that game. >> Yeah. I was at that game seven. It was. all right. He's that dude, you know. >> Oh, yeah. >> Any remarkable event. Yeah, I was there. It was It was no big deal. >> Gotcha. I knew it was a hijacking. You really had me stumped there for a. second. >> I'm role playing.

>> game seven. So. CEK is circling, right? They're. circling, circling an hour, killing. time, but just burning off gas. And um. Florence Shaner is has gone away to take. the note to Alice Hancock, who takes. notes to the cockpit. She's on the relay. team basically now. Um, and um, DB. Cooper says, well, Dan Cooper says, uh, "Hey, Tina Mucklow, why don't you sit. beside me for a while?".

>> And she did, and she ended up kind of. taking a bit of a seat in history, if. you will, if you'll allow us that. >> terrible analogy. Um, and she sat down. and she got she spent a lot of time with. Dan Cooper and they ended up chatting. and she said Dan Cooper kept a level. head during a very tense situation like. the whole time. and they chatted about. things like Tina Mucklau's home state. which was Minnesota. They talked about a. nearby Air Force base and how long it. took to drive to SeaTac. It was like 20. minutes or something. You guys can.

actually probably guess the Air Force. base. We don't know. Uh that one. Yeah. >> And then um they also at one point he. looked out the window and he said, "It. looks like we're over Tacoma." So all. this would indicate a lot to the FBI. later on, right, that this guy was maybe. a local. >> Yeah. I'm kind of curious. Could anyone. here recognize Tacoma from an airplane? >> From an airplane. An airplane. >> Wow. >> Do they have a huge like field cut out. of grass that says Tacoma?

[Applause]. >> Corn. What are they saying? >> I I think they're saying corn. >> Yeah. >> The smell. >> Oh boy. I I knew I knew this would go over well. here. >> By the way, uh we didn't mention they. diverted all the other flights away from. uh from SeaTac at the time cuz they.

wanted that to be the only plane in the. area. And to me, the most remarkable. part of this whole story is one of the. other planes in the air, the dude, the. pilot gets on and tells everyone else on. that plane what's going on. Well, he. like he patched into the comm link. between flight 305 and CTAC for the. listening enjoyment of the passengers on. his flight. >> It's insane. It's like, I'm sorry we're delayed, but. here's what's going on on another flight.

nearby, >> right? Just sit back and listen to the dula. tones of a skyjacking. >> Again, it was the 70s. Everyone was. drinking. They're like, "This is. remarkable.". Thank Thank god it's not us. >> Everything's better when you're. drinking. >> All right. So, he recognizes Tacoma, which apparently everyone in this room. could do. >> Yeah, right. We were impressed by that, but it's nothing. >> Uh, occasionally. >> he went smells like Tacoma.

[Applause]. >> Uh, so all of these are sort of clues. though. If he recognized Tacoma, he knew. by the Air Force base that clearly maybe. the guy's kind of from the area, right? might be a clue later on. So, uh, Mucklow at this point asked Dan Cooper. She said, "Do you have a grudge against. our airline, sir?" And he said, "No, ma'am. I don't have a grudge against. your airline. I just have a grudge.". >> Cryptic, >> right? She was like, "Yeah, like they.

did.". >> So, back on the ground, the FBI is like. going crazy. The local cops are going. crazy. Everybody's going crazy trying to. get 200 grand in cash together. Turns. out that was the easiest part of this. whole thing. So, Northwest Orient's um. president at the time, Donald Nairop. >> Any Nairops in the uh house? >> No. >> He would have been in Minnesota. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. >> But I'm convinced that someone in here. is going to be related to someone in. this story. >> Oh, I am too. >> Yeah. I'm just waiting.

>> I'm waiting for somebody to stand and be. like, "That's a lie.". >> Or for someone to stand up and say, "I. am DB Cooper.". >> Oh, yeah. >> That would be amazing. We'd have to come. up with a different show tomorrow night. >> Oh, yeah. >> Or just bring him along. >> Sure. >> And here he is, everybody. >> Yeah. >> So, Donald Nairopp um the uh president. of Northwest Orient, he's like, "Yeah, sure. We'll totally pay that. We have a. huge um insurance uh policy on this kind. of thing." Um apparently Northwest had.

to pay like 20 grand and their insurance. company paid out 100 80 grand. And they. tapped Sea First Bank, which had a. downtown branch. And in this downtown. branch, they had a really great idea. They had stacks of $20 bills in varying. amounts so that it looked like a nervous. teller ran into the back and like put. some 20s together in the event of a bank. robbery, right? And then would come out. and be like, "Here you go, bank robber. You're getting off scot-free." But it it. turns out that every serial number on.

every one of those 20s had been. recorded. So it worked for bank. robberies, worked just as well for. skyjackings as well. So they had the. money, no problems. The parachutes were. just a very difficult thing. >> Yeah, that was actually the harder part. >> Yeah. >> Uh back in 1971, the big recreational. skydiving craze had not yet taken hold. It happened here and there, but uh the. manager at SeaTac said, "I I got a guy. Don't you worry." Um he got a operation. called Seattle Sky Sports in Isiqua.

>> Anybody from Isiqua? >> Shout out to Isiqua. Why do you call it Seattle Sky Sports? Did they mooch off of Seattle? >> Yeah, >> off of the tit of Seattle. >> He's like, I got a guy. His name is Earl. Cassie and uh he agreed to help. Um. little side note, Earl Cassie uh was. actually murdered three years ago. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Chuck likes to bring the room down.

>> I know. We're all having too much fun. Uh he got killed by a blow to the head. in his garage. But apparently, you know, some Cooperists that are still active. today on the internet, you know, these. conspiracy dudes. >> That's how they tight. >> That is. Everyone did it. I love that. Everybody. see, you can all be conspiracy theories. Get out your tin hat. Um although women. can't be cuz they're too smart. It's. always guys. Did you know?

So Earl Casi was killed, but they think. it has nothing to do with it. Even. though Cooperus are like, "Are you sure? They're trying to silence a man.". >> Exactly. >> So, that was pretty great, man. >> Very well timed. >> Yeah. >> So, Cassie called his uh his operation. and to the to the dude working there and. said, "Hey, can you get together these. parachutes? I need two fronts and two. backs." The guy said, "Sure, bro." And.

um in his uh haste, he packs three. regular shoots. Well, not three regular. He packs one. >> military shoot. >> Yeah. >> Two regular shoots. And one thing that I. still don't understand called a dummy. shoot, >> right, >> that doesn't open. >> No. So, like if you were working at. Seattle Sky Sports in Isiqua, um you. would get really really sick of having. to fold up the whole parachute every.

time somebody was training throwing out. the pilot shoot, which is just the. little chute that comes out first and. pulls the bigger chute out, right? If. all you're trying to do is throw that. part out, you don't need the bigger. chute. So, if you're an employee at. Seattle Sky Sports in Isqua, you may. have the idea that you should just sew. the bigger part shut. There should be no. parachute that has like the the most. important part sewn shut, right? That is. our rule. Every parachute should open, >> right? But this is the thing, and.

they're called dummy shoots. The thing. is, everybody's like, "Oh, we got it. covered. We'll just put a big X on it. and everybody will know it's a dummy. shoot." So the one of these dummy shoots. made it into the four shoots that were. delivered to DB Cooper. So the money and. the shoots go in the cop car and he does. a donut getting out like in front of the. plane and gets out and uh stands outside. and um waits for the plane to land I. should say. So when they get everything. together, they let flight 305 know that.

they've come and get it basically and um. they they prepare to land. And DB Cooper. does something very smart. >> Yeah. He uh he said, "You know what? I. bet you there's going to be snipers on. the ground because I've seen a movie or. two. >> I've seen Black Sunday. Anyone?" No. >> Didn't that come out like five or six. years later? >> Maybe. Uhhuh. >> Actually, I'll have to look that up. Maybe. >> I think that was 76.

>> You know this? >> Sure. >> All right. >> He said, "I have a dream about a movie. one day that would be called Black. Sunday. and there's going to be snipers at that. airport. So, um, have everybody put the. shades down on the windows. They're all. drunk. They don't care. They won't ask. any questions." And so, they did so, which turned out to be a pretty good. move because there were in fact snipers. >> Right. Exactly. So, the plane lands and. um no one's allowed to get off yet. Uh. Cooper says, "Hey, Tina, do me a solid.

Go out and get the money in the shoots. and come back with them, okay? Then we. can let the passengers off." And Mucklow. leaves the plane. And at this point, and. this is one of the first reasons why. Tina Mucklow is one of our heroes. Um. once she's off the plane, she could have. been like, "So long, chumps. See you in. hell.". Um, which may have been a little harsh. had she said that with an earshot of. somebody in this hostage situation. She. could have thought it. Her actions could. have said as much. She didn't. She got.

the shoots. She got the money. And she. essentially traded herself for the. hostages and went back on the plane. And. I mean, >> so out of there, >> that's metal. Chuck would have said out. loud, "See you in hell. Flight 305." I. would have walked straight to baggage. claim and uh or the ground. transportation and said take me to. cousin Iikes. I need some looseleaf tea. >> Good luck. Good luck with the. skyjacking. >> Right. >> Yeah. But she came back which is. amazing. >> She did come back. So she traded herself. for these hostages and um the hostages.

were allowed to leave and so too were. Alice Hancock and Florence Shaner. Um. they the the rest of the crew is. basically like there's no reason for you. to stay here so go. So it was down to um. Shaner and Cooper and then in the um. cockpit Ratzac and uh Scott, right? And. Scott and Ratzac repaid Tina Mucklow by. staying themselves. There there was a. rope ladder actually that they could. have climbed out of. They had almost no. interaction whatsoever with DB Cooper.

They could have at their leisure. They. could have put on bathing suits and. climbed out this rope ladder and laid on. the tarmac for a while and then gone to. the safety of like the FBI barricade and. they didn't. They stuck around and they. like were like, "We're going to see this. hijacking through.". >> Yeah. In my uh like in my comedic mind's. eye, I see them getting out on the rope. swing or a rope ladder. >> That's different. Rope swing. >> That would be amazing. >> They may have like. >> It's like a tire swing on the plane,

right? They get off on the rope ladder. Tina Mucklaw never comes back and DB. Cooper's just sitting on the plane by. himself. >> He's like, "Oh, it happened again.". >> Yeah. >> Is he typing? >> No. >> Oh, no. That's like this. >> Sorry. >> I didn't know they had a rope ladder. That's crazy. >> Sure. >> What's that for? Don't be skying. I. know. >> Every airplane has a rope ladder in the. car. >> Wake up, man. fashioned out of like old.

cheats. >> So, uh, the FAA actually had a their. chief psychiatrist on the ground and. this dude does a a quick analysis, you. know, like, let me do one of those movie. readings of who this guy is and what's. going to happen. And he says, you know. what's going to happen is you're going. to give this guy the money and the. parachutes. You're going to go up there. in the plane. He's going to jump out and. blow up the plane. Uh, and just let. everyone know that,

>> right? He's going to. >> tell the pilot and co-pilot that this is. what's coming, >> right? He's going to force Mucklow to. jump with him and then blow up the plane. afterward, right? But yeah, make sure. the make sure the cockpit knows. And. then he added, and he probably has some. sort of fixation on longer than usual. nipples, so make sure he's not exposed. to those because he has some sort of. fetish based on his experience with his. mother.

cuz it's a 1971. psychoanalyst for the FAA. Hey, if I had done that in a German. accent, it would have sunk in even. faster. Did you tell them that? Make sure you. tell them that, guys. Is that all right? I'm going to go ahead and say now what. I'm going to say in like an hour. backstage. >> All right. >> That was amazing. >> Was it? Thank you. I thought that's not.

what you were going to say. Actually, >> I didn't didn't see that one coming. >> You got me. when you Yeah. I had no idea where you. were going. Literally, you said longer than usual. nipples. And I went in my head, I went, am I is this happening? >> You're like, Josh, Josh, >> am I still in Atlanta? Have that is the.

trip? Am I sleep? >> Pure gold, buddy. >> Thank you. [Music]. [Music].

Where are we? I am so thrown. >> So, we said Cooper was cool, right? >> The cool head. >> He was He was so cool. He ordered food. for the crew during the refueling. process. >> Yeah, he's a nice nice guy. >> Yeah. >> You want to know who else is cool is. Tina Mucklaw because once they released. the passengers and they got the money on. board, she sat back down and he offered. her a couple of the stacks of money and. she said, "Well, you go ahead and say.

it. >> No tipping allowed.". >> Smooth. again. And had it been me, well, first. of all, I would have been Uncle likes by. then. But if I was dumb enough to get. back on, I would be like, "Yeah, get pay. it forward.". >> Yeah, just two stacks of bills. >> Yeah. >> What gives, jerk? I want half. >> She's She's amazing. So, uh, the plane's. being refueled. Uh, he passed along a. request, uh, very specific request for. what's to happen when they go to take. off. He said, 'I want to take off with.

that a staircase that I know is back. there down uh in the jump off the plane. position. And they said, 'You can't take. off with the plane. Uh you can't take. off with the door down. And he said, "Well, can you check on that? Are you. sure?" And they said, "No, you can't do. that." And he said, "Are you super. sure?" And they said, "No, you can't do. that." He said, "All right." And they. said, "Oh, but once you're up there, you. can totally lower it and jump out.". And he said, "Well, why don't we just. start there? Cuz that's really the only. thing that matters.". >> He's like, "Fine, fine.".

>> And then the the pilot's like, "Well, where do you want to go?" And Dan Cooper. says, "Mexico City, let's say." And the. pilot goes, "Well, that's that's kind of. far. We're going to have to refuel. Is. Reno okay?" And Dan Cooper goes, "I. don't know how I can get this across. anymore." Clearly, I'm jumping out of. the plane the next time we go up. Fly. wherever you want. just fly southward. >> Southward. >> Yeah. >> So, they refuel the plane and the only.

time uh Dan Cooper gets a little a. little ruffled is when it takes a little. long for his liking and he says it it. shouldn't take this long. Let's get the. show on the road. >> Right. He picked up for one of the few. times he picked up the cockpit or the. cabin and cockpit phone and said, "Let's. get the show on the road.". I would have screamed it and like hit. the phone and then hit myself in the. head with it and then just started. crying and been like, "It's never going. to work. This is never going to work.". >> I think it's well established we'd be. the worst skyjackers ever.

>> And hostages. >> Yeah, just get No, I don't want any part. of it. >> He also gives him instructions on how to. fly the plane, which is getting really. specific. He said, "Don't go any higher. than 10,000 ft. uh set your wing flaps. at 15°, which apparently we learned is. an angle that only the 727100 could. position those wing flaps, >> which everyone in this room knows cuz. it's a Boeing. >> Sure. And he said, "Don't go any faster than. 190 mph, 200 knots." Uh, so that means.

they're going to be flying slow and low. like you're cooking ribs. or jumping off a plane because that. means the cabin isn't pressurized and. that means when you open that door, you're not just going to suck everything. out. It's still uh skydiveable. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Oh, that's the terminology. >> Okay. So, Cooper had some problems, right? He had specifically asked for a. knapsack and the feds had given him the. 200 grand in a bank bag, which as we all.

know is a very unwieldy, clumsy bag, right? It's like a canvas bag. There's. nothing to it. What do you like tuck it. under your arm? What are you supposed to. do with that, right? So, he's like, "Well, I need to make a handle for this. thing. I'll harvest one of these. parachutes for its rigging." And he. chose the pink one, which the pink one. was actually the best one of all of. them. >> Yeah. Because it was the dummy shoot, the military shoot, and then. >> a so so shoot. >> Is that what we're going to call it?

>> Yeah. >> The medium shoot. Yeah. >> And then the pink one, which like Josh. said, is the best one. So he cuts the. stuff loose. He makes a uh handle for. it. Things are happening at this point. They move to the rear of the plane, he. and Tina Mucklaw, and he says, "You. know, I think I need help lowering the. staircase." So, she goes back there with. him. She's a little freaked out at this. point. >> Super freaked out. >> Like, she was calm and cool, but like. it's go time. And she thinks she's going. to get sucked out. Uh, rightfully so, cuz she didn't understand the physics of. uh, you know, the the plane being that.

low and that slow. >> She didn't know there were hell with. physics. I am still freaked out. Yeah, exactly. >> We're about to lower a staircase at. 10,000 ft. >> Why did I mention physics? >> Exactly. So, she gets back there and uh he said. she said, "Can I at least have some of. that rope so I can tie myself to the. interior of this plane?". >> Like, that's how helpful she was. She's. like, "Just let me lash myself to the. plane. >> Let me help myself." Right. >> Yeah. >> I just spit like all the way across. that.

>> I spit earlier. It's fine. >> Okay, good. >> We should learn to sink those up. >> Like in Vegas. >> That's what I was. Yeah, >> man. We are in sync. >> I know. My god. Except, well, never mind. So, she asked for some rope to lash. herself in. And he goes at this point, you know what? Never mind. >> He literally, like, this is the quote. He goes, >> never mind. >> Never mind. >> He said, you know what? You just go back. up to the cockpit and you see that first.

class curtain. Just don't come any. further back. I got it from there. He. turns back around and looks and then he. turns back around to where she was and. he just sees like a pile of dust to. where she was just standing. She was like in the cockpit all of a. sudden. And so it's go time in the. cockpit. 7:42 p.m. the little light. comes on that says door a jar, I guess. And uh.

they said the the pilots were like Tina. like let's call back one more time. >> She's like no you can't call him. And. they were like no really we should call. him. >> So we can totally call him. >> Like the FAA shrink said like he might. blow us up. He said some other weird. stuff too but he said. like he he's going to blow us up. We. should really butter this guy up. >> Right. And we could have left on that. rope swing and we stayed because of you. >> Rope ladder. So they call. >> They do call and the pilot is like.

ringing ring ring ring ring ring. >> Oh, am I Cooper? >> Yes. Ring ring. >> You let it ring a couple of times. >> Ring ring ring ring. >> Uh Dan Cooper, hijacker. >> Uh Mr. Cooper, uh we want to make sure. your flight is as comfortable as. possible. Is there anything we can do to. help you back there to make your. hijacking more successful, sir? >> No. Click. I know it's kind of rude. He said no.

Hung up. And then at 8:12 p.m., the crew. felt the plane kind of jiggle a little. bit as if someone had jumped off the. rear of it. >> And they said, "Dina, go check. We're flying the plane.". >> She's like, "Wait a minute. Only one of. you is flying.". >> No, it takes both of us. >> You don't know. >> And that's it. So, from the moment that. Tina Mucklaw left, shut that first class. curtain, nobody to anyone's knowledge. ever saw Dan Cooper again.

>> Yeah. >> But that's not the end of the show. >> No, it's not. So, there was a manhunt, right? So, Dan Cooper had pretty clearly. signaled his intentions that he was. going to jump off the back of the 727. The FBI was like, "We need to scramble. some jets. Let's get some fighter jets. that are in the area. We're going to. scramble them to go follow this 727.". >> What is the scrambling? I I never get. that. >> It's like. like go. >> I know, but they all. It just sounds It sounds chaotic like.

they're scrambling J. >> Well, I think that's I think that's the. point. Like people are supposed to run. around and bump into each other and fall. down and then get up and get in their. jets and fly off. Scrambling. That's. classic scramble. >> I would have renamed it. It would be. like activate the jets. >> That's not bad. >> That's not bad at all. >> Scramble the jets. Sounds desperate. You're right. >> Activate the jets. >> So either however the jets were brought. into this picture, um there was a.

problem with them in that they were way. too fast for the 727 which is putting. along at 190 mph. Then all of a sudden. there's a jet that goes. >> and then the next one comes. and they're like, "What are we going to. do?" Well, we'll stick a helicopter on. them. This is like Goldilocks. The. helicopter was too slow. >> 727's just putts along. People are going.

and trying to catch up. Nothing. happening. >> They should have scrambled a 727. >> and just followed right behind him. >> That makes sense as a matter. >> with the headlights on, >> right? So they're scrambling. The point is, nobody saw Dan Cooper jump when he. jumped. So, they used the 812 p.m. oscillation to kind of figure out where. they should start looking. And they. zeroed in on a place called Ariel,

Washington near the Lewis River. Anybody. from Ariel? Good, because we got aerial. jokes. Nobody from Ariel. Anyone ever heard of. the Lewis River? >> Okay. So, they get they get this manhunt. going. They're combing. They're they're. scrambling and combing. Those are the. two things you do here in the FBI. >> It was a massive manhunt, too. There's. like a thousand troops and cops combing. this area. >> Yeah. No one from Seattle PD, of course. They were just sitting around stoned,

>> hanging out in Isiqua, >> waiting for Rambo. Here's another fun fact. There was a a. millionaire, a local millionaire who we. don't know. Do you know the name? >> No, I've looked. If anybody knows, tell. us. Just stand up and and say it with. dignity. >> It was on No, it was on the uh news that. this local millionaire says, "You know. what? That's near Lake Merwin and I'm. going to rent a submarine. because I'm a millionaire and that's,

you know, we're. >> that's what I do.". >> Yeah. >> I don't work. I'm a millionaire. >> He got a submarine and he trolled the. depths of Lake Mwin. He said he rented a. small submarine because he's not an. extravagant local. do. >> The 25 seems ostentatious. The. hydraulics on it. Who needs that in a. summary? >> Does it have a metal detector? >> Which would not have helped because it. was cash bills. >> Exactly.

See, you'd make a great local. millionaire. >> I would. If only. Uh, the other weird thing that. happened was the um the CIA got. involved, which is a little bit strange. Yeah. >> And they scrambled the SR71 Blackbird, >> right? >> They scrambled it several times. >> Yeah. The they it was almost over easy. Terrible.

>> You should be ashamed of It doesn't even. make sense cuz once you scramble it, it. can't be over easy. Terrible joke, Chuck. >> Yeah, that's what I say. >> It's all right. Rebound. Rebound. >> Is this really happening? Did you talk. about long nipples? >> All right. The SR71 Blackbird was at the time super. secret. Uh we all know about it now, but. at the time it was very secret and it. was kind of a big deal to get this thing. up in the air. So,

>> especially multiple times. >> Yeah. >> Like one time it's like you your dad is. the head of CIA and you're the head of. Seattle PD, so you can make it happen. maybe once, right? Multiple times. That's weird that the SR71 was. scrambled, right? The FBI is very. studious and likes to do a lot of. obvious stuff. So they interviewed. everybody in the area with the last name. of Cooper, which there's like a square one.

>> Sure. >> This is like square neg five. >> Yeah. Yeah. Sure. >> Yeah. No, it's neg five. I looked it up. Oh, >> okay. So, you look up all the Coopers in the. area. And at this point, they have a. press conference. And if you've noticed, we've been calling this dude Dan Cooper. the whole time. Yeah. >> Because up until this time, he was just. Dan Cooper. So, they have a press. conference and there's it's sort of I. don't think we know who messed it up, right? It's either a reporter or okay, >> a cop. >> Either a file clerk or a cop talking in.

front of a reporter. Gotcha. >> Either UPI or AP depending on who you. ask. >> And they were saying like what Cooper. could could have done something like. this, >> right? >> And somebody said, well, there's a Dan. Cooper who's a cat burglar in the area. That's that's a terrible suggestion. and. Kberlar does not go to hijacker, you. know. And um this reporter was like, "What a scoop." And hit the wire with. cops looking for DB Cooper. >> Yeah, he said DB Cooper.

>> Did I say Dan Cooper? >> Yeah, that's all right. >> The little part of my brain was like, you just said Dan. Let's start over. So, a cop was talking. in front of an AP reporter and they. said, "What Cooper do you know could. have done this?" And the cop said, "Well, there's this DB Cooper. What did you just say? >> Did you just say AD Cooper? I I said. there's a DB Cooper. I got it that time.

He's a cat burglar. And the reporter. said, "This is hitting the wire." And he. reported that the cops were looking for. a DB Cooper. And it just changed from that point on. >> Yeah. I mean, he was never a DB Cooper. It was literally a mistake. So that's. why we all know him as DB Cooper today. And the FBI actually little smart, believe it or not, and they said, "You. know what? Let's keep it that way. That. way we'll know if any tips come in on a. Dan Cooper, we'll know it's a hot lead.". So it actually ended up kind of working. in their favor.

>> Yeah. And anytime a tip like that came. in, like the office prankster would come. in with the facts and be like, "Hot. lead, hot lead." It was like a joke. around the Portland office. Everybody loved Richard. Uh, and this. will. this will come up later too when it. comes time to solve the crime. Uh, they. later on the FBI learned that there was. a a comic book in the 1950s about a Dan. Cooper who was a Canadian jet pilot and.

it was a Belgian comic, which is a. little weird, but it was, you know, there was literally a Dan Cooper who. jumped out of planes in comic book form. >> Right. Exactly. could be a clue maybe. >> And that's a niche comic, right? So it's. >> I would say so. >> printed in Belgium in the French about a. Canadian fighter pilot. >> in the French. >> All they had to do was find like the 10. people who knew of that comic and be. like, "What'd you do? We know it was one. of you.". >> And so the FBI had a pretty clear.

belief, a very uh openly stated belief. that DB Cooper died in the jump. That. was just the the line that they took. right off the bat. They're like, there's. no way this guy survived. And um the he. wasn't the lead agent on the case, but. he became the most famous agent, Ralph. Himlsbach. >> Any Himlsbachs in the house? >> No, you're a liar, sir. >> Yeah, you're a liar. So, Himlsbach, uh, like I said, he wasn't the lead agent, but he was out of the Seattle office, and he became the most famous agent.

associated with it. And, um, he actually. gave the case its official name, Norjack, which is stupid. Oh, Northwest Jack, Skyjack, >> right? But remove the sea. It's just, let's call it the DB Cooper case, you. know, or heist even better. >> So, he self-published a book in 1986. about the case. And Himlsbach said he. thinks that DB Cooper didn't even get a. shoot open, that he plunged to his death. and hit the forest floor with such.

impact that he basically was buried. immediately with the parachutes still. attached and maybe even the money. And. uh that was Himmel's box take. >> That was excuse me. >> You going to get that? >> I realized it wasn't a twist off. >> And then I realized I had my lighter. from the loose leaf tea place. >> Nice. >> Nice going. >> You just saw the sum of Chuck's college.

education. [Applause]. So, Cooper had jumped from the plane. Did he live? Did he not? The odds are. against him in a lot of ways. Uh, outside the temperature that night was. 20° Fahrenheit. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> hey, we're in America, man. Say 20°. >> Yeah, you're right. 20°. >> USA.

at 10,000 ft. It was -7°. >> Yeah. Uh, and he was going 190 miles an. hour. There was freezing rain. It was. there was like a a quarter crescent or. not a quarter crescent, a crescent moon. Yeah, >> those are two different things. >> Sure. >> Crescent moon in the sky, but it was. cloudy and rainy, so there's probably. was zero light. It's freezing. He's. 10,000 ft. >> He's not dressed for the occasion. >> No, he's wearing loafers. He's wearing. an overcoat. He's got this He doesn't. have this knapsack, so he's fashioned. this weird kind of knapsack with this.

pink uh rope. Plus, plus the area he's. jumping out into, and he's flying at. 10,000 ft over the Cascades. Some of the. Cascades, as you guys know, are higher. than 10,000 ft. Very dangerous jump. And. there's a lot of pointy trees. I mean, the pointiest. Am I right, Seattle? The. pointiest trees around. Plus, despite what the FAA guy said, the. FAA psychiatrist, >> Yeah. He did not leave the bomb to be.

detonated after he jumped off. He took. it with him. Bank bag, bomb, overcoat, loafers, parachute. >> pointy. >> That was my DB Cooper jump impression. >> And by the way, the FBI later on, they. inter uh interviewed Muckl who was the. one who saw. Yeah, Shaner saw the bomb. like you just did. >> And she said, "Yeah, these red sticks. taped together and they went, "Huh, that. wasn't dynamite." Dynamite isn't red. You've seen too many cartoons. Dynamite.

is tan. Road flares are red. So, it was. more than likely a fake bomb with an. alarm clock and road flares. Plus, DB. Cooper did not help his cause by his. choice of parachutes, right? He um he so. he chose a military shoot as his main. shoot. It was not a great shoot. It the. rip cord wasn't as easily accessed as. the recreational shoots. And once it. deployed, you can't steer it very well. It was not the best choice. Even worse.

was his choice of the dummy shoot for. his front reserve shoot. He took the best shoot and gutted it to. make a handle for the bank bag, let the. second best shoot and chose the two. worst shoots to jump out with. Right. So, >> I didn't know you couldn't steer a. military shoot, but it makes total. sense. >> I know. Yeah. They're just like, "Go for. it, pal.". >> Yeah. Cuz if I was in the military, I. would steer I would be like, "Well, why. don't we go over here instead, right? I see a lot of guns down there. >> Yeah,

>> let's take it this way. Right. >> So, they just drop you apparently. >> Yeah, >> man. I guess they know what they're. doing, though. So, uh some other. theories uh because it's uh Washington, believe it or not, some people actually. posited that he was eaten by Sasquatch. >> Yeah. >> With a straight face. >> I mean, let's be honest. How many of you. in here were thinking the same thing? Yeah, >> true. >> Uh, some other people say, "Well, he was.

clearly burned up by the jet exhaust. because when you come down the stairs of. a 727, the rear jet engines right in. front of you and it would have been 7. 800° right there. Um, but the FBI. conducted a test uh right afterward. where they took a 720 a 727 up and they. took a 200lb sled, >> a 200lb prison victim, >> right? He was condemned. Don't worry about it. It's fine.

>> And uh they said and threw it off. And. they found that the 200lb sled uh that's. a euphemism, I guess, now. >> Sure. >> Uh went straight down. So it didn't come. in contact in any way with the jet. exhaust. So it kind of did away with. this idea that he burned up. >> Uh well, it was kind of good news bad. news though because what it did do at. least was it mimic that same. oscillation. Yeah. So they're like, "Oh, you know what? It was the exact same. thing happened when we were in the air, so that 8:12 p.m. jump time. Like it was.

probably right on the money, so we know. probably where he might have landed.". >> Right. So there's a lot of questions. remaining, right? And um there were some. clues left behind. The thing that that. really kind of confounded the FBI at. first was that they combed the area. where they were looking for him with. like a thousand people just combing this. area. this SR71 Blackbird circling. around looking. They didn't find. anything. He had left a couple of things. on board the plane, right? He left uh.

his clip-on tie, which was his second. biggest secret that night. >> Uh he. >> Well, that's what you do before you jump. out. Sure. >> You know, you you take it off and you. >> It was a clip on all along. >> You unbutton that button and you're. like, I'm out of here. >> Right. He left uh eight cigarette butts. of his Raleigh brand cigarettes. He'd. smoked eight over 5 hours and all eight. butts have since been lost, right? Um. they found a hair on the headrest. Um.

they the thing is the FBI traded in. fingerprints. That was their big thing. at the time. And Dan Cooper had been. very smart to not leave a single print. on any of the uh cigarette butts. >> Yeah, true. But there was uh. fingerprints on the uh inflight I guess. Sky Mall magazine. >> Yeah. RIP Sky Mall. >> What do you mean? >> It's not around. >> It's gone. Yeah. Sky Mall's gone. >> Did you guys not know this?

>> No way. >> It's Yeah, that's why I said RIP Scott. I know, but I just uh I don't know where. am I going to get my putting green that. doubles as a cat feeder. >> My friend, you can just go to Frontgate. because Frontgate has everything. everyone needs. >> What's that? >> Frontgate. They advertised in Sky Mall, but they have stores, too. >> I don't even know where I am right now. >> That's Uncle I.

>> What year is it? No. So, it would be seven years before any. trace of the hijacking, any real clue. turned up. And it was uh in 1978, there. were some hunters in Oregon hunting. animals, I guess. Right. Unless it was the most dangerous game, >> right? >> You don't know. It's Oregon. >> You never know. There are less civilized.

people than we have here. Uh they found a plastic uh instruction. placard showing how to lower the aft. staircase in the woods. So this is like. a really good clue. >> It was, but it didn't it didn't lead to. anything new. >> Well, no. It was definitely from flight. 305, which was I guess I'm saying it was. cool. >> It was cool. Like if you were the. hunter, you'd be like, I'm keeping this. >> Sure. But um it it was on the flight. path so it didn't generate any new leads. but it generated a lot of renewed. interest in the case because believe it.

or not the DB Cooper case had kind of. fallen to the wayside in the last like. seven years. People just didn't think. much about it anymore. skyjacking. >> Right. Exactly. So it was like a dime a. dozen. But all of a sudden everybody's. like we got to make a movie. Who's the. biggest movie star we've got? Treat. Williams. Make him as DB Cooper. And. that's what they did. Has anyone ever. seen The Pursuit of DB Cooper? >> No. That's right. Nobody. That's right. Everybody, God bless you, Seattle.

>> Smart town, Chuck. >> I figured here like somebody because it. was a local thing. 1981, very, very bad. movie was made. >> Mhm. Several. >> starring Treat Williams and Robert. Duval, >> right? >> Whose mom needed surgery at the time to. lay off. So here's what you Well, first of all, if you want to know how big a piece of. garbage this movie is, it had three. directors. And if you know anything about film.

making, if you have more than one. director, it's probably a really bad. movie for one reason or another. If it. has three, then it's guaranteed to be. bad. But all you need to do is go home. tonight when you get back to your uh to. your house boat. >> in Isiqua. >> Does anyone here live on a housebo? No. Okay. cuz I was going to ask if I. could come stay over cuz those things. are awesome. >> That was just sleepless in Seattle. You've seen that too many times. >> Oh, no. They exist.

Uh cuz I tried to stay in an Airbnb. actually before I came here. >> on a housebo. >> Yeah, I totally did. >> And I ended up in some stupid hotel. downtown. Go home to your YouTubes, type in Pursuit of DB Cooper and watch. the first three minutes. because this movie literally starts with. the point from where DB Cooper jumps out. of the back of the plane. It starts from the point where we know.

nothing else that happened. is literally fictional from that point. forward. >> The slogan on the movie poster is. factmax. So, it starts with uh Pursuit of DB. Cooper and has Robert Duval, the names. all come up and all that. And it's got a. Jews heart playing. It's like boing. boing and uh Treat Williams. It's a. terrible voice uh voiceover recording. You just hear a yeehaw. And he jumps off the thing because.

that's what you do when you jump off a. plane and you're skyjacking. He parachutes down in the night in the. night and he crashes through some trees. and lands and then just this really. little sad yahoo. >> Everything was sad about that. >> And Treat Williams gets on the on the. ground and he and he takes out a cigar. and he takes out a lighter because. that's what you do to when you. successfully landed after skyjacking. He. doesn't light the lighter though. He. rips open the money bag and he takes out.

a $100 bill and he lights that. and then he uses that to light a cigar. and that is how that movie opens. >> and it goes downhill from there and. Robert Dval is he's just you can tell. when. >> he starts every scene going like this. >> let's do it. >> It's so bad. But I do encourage you. It. was like I mean when I was a kid and it. came out it was like we got HBO on my. street and it was a really big deal when. we got cable and HBO. So I would.

literally watch any movie that came out. >> It was like Croll. That's on. I'll. watch. >> Hey Kroll was okay. >> War Games. Great movie. >> Sure. >> Pursuit of DB Cooper. Why not? >> I I was not exposed to that. >> Yeah. >> I think my mother shielded me from that. movie. >> Good for you, Mom. >> Yeah. >> Watch the first two minutes on YouTube. [Music].

So, um, the We were still talking about. the placard, weren't we? No, no, no. All. right, we'll we'll go to 1980. Was The. first real good clue turns up in 1980, >> right? And this is a big clue. >> Big clue. >> So, there's a a young lad named Brian. Ingram. He was eight, I think, at the. time. Yeah. And his family was camping.

on Tina Bar. Are you guys familiar with. Tina Bar? Do you guys know what that is? It's Columbia River. >> Yeah. >> Where? So, are we correct in. understanding that you would just call. that an island, not a bar? >> Okay. All right. So, Tina Island, everywhere else, uh, the Ingram family. was camping and Brian Ingram was. fashioning a fire pit for his family. Oh, father's going to love this fire. pit. He'll be proud of me yet. Oh, father, won't you love me?

And as he's as he's like as he's going. like this to the sand, poor little. eight-year-old, he uh turns up a stack. of bills. Several stacks of bills, actually. um three and these stacks of. $20 bills total $5,880. and he's like father. >> and father father takes those and uh. starts looking at him and he's like we. should probably call the police so they. go and call the police and. >> yeah again they call the Seattle police.

which evidently all they do is forward. calls to the FBI at this point. >> they're like Seattle PD please hold. So the FBI is like, "Read us a serial. number." And he reads one and they're. like, "Read us another." Reads another. and they're like, "That's DB Cooper. money." And Ingram's father's like, "What did you say?" And they're like, "Nothing.". So the FBI gets their hands on it. And.

actually, we should say, it turns out. they they let little Brian Ingram um. take some of the money. $3,000 of this. money. Actually, >> this is later on. and they returned a. little. Not bad, right? Right. >> Uh and you want to know what's even. better? In 2008, little Brian Ingram. sold that money on eBay for 37 grand. >> Right. >> Yeah. Take that, father. So, the thing is this money showed up in. a place where it should not have been.

Um it showed up 20 miles south of Ariel, Washington in another river. So they. were looking here in the Lewis River, right? Everybody knows Lewis River, Ariel, Washington here. Tina Bar is down. here, just a little south of Vancouver. Is my geograph my air geography right of. Vancouver, Washington, everybody? Vancouver, Washington. Is that is it. like this? >> That's even more amazing. This is what I suspected and I looked it.

up on Google Maps and they're like, "What do you mean, Tina Bar, Josh?" So, I wasn't able to conclusively find it, but I did have this idea that it somehow. ended up above it. And the an FBI. hydraologist looked at this money, said, >> "The FBI has a hydraologist, >> right? I'm retainer." Himlsbach got a. hold of him. And um the guy was like, "So, this stuff's only been exposed to. the elements for a year, even though it. was found what, nine years after the the. robbery, right?".

>> Yeah. >> And it got here one of two ways, the guy. said. So, the Columbia River flooded in. uh 1974. >> Yes. >> And it was also dredged in like 1977. So, one of those two probably got this. here, but no one's ever said. conclusively how it ended up where it. was. >> So, it did. Yeah, there you go. >> I got it. >> Uh it would be another 28 years before. any more clues turned up. So, that's a. very long wait. Uh in 2008, just eight. short years ago, some kids uh were. playing uh on their was it their own.

land in Amboy? >> Mhm. >> Little south of Ariel. Anyone from. Amboy? No, >> I suspected not. >> Are we in Washington? >> Okay. >> Yeah, but nobody's from Amboy. >> We got more response in Birmingham. No. >> About Amboy. >> Yeah. >> They're like, "We like the sound of. that.". So, these kids were playing in the woods. uh on their property and they said, "Oh, look at there. There's a parachute.

and they start pulling out this. parachute for like an hour. It's like a. magic trick." And they finally get to. the end of the parachute and they run. and show P and and they say, "P, I found. a parachute in the woods. What should we. do?". >> Right? And Paul recognized that this was. the most exciting thing that ever. happened in Amboy, Washington. Called this the cops who called the. Seattle police who called the FBI.

And the FBI did something smart. They're. like, "Well, you know who would know if. this was DB Cooper's parachute? Good old. Earl Cy.". >> That's right. He's not dead yet. >> Not dead yet. Oh, too soon. That's a good He's not dead yet. That's. a celebratory. None of us are dead yet, >> right? That's a good good way of looking at it, Chuck. >> Good save. >> Way to find the silver lining. So, Earl.

Cy looked at this thing and he was like, "No.". >> Yeah. He said, "I'm sorry." He said, "Uh, Cooper shoot was nylon. That's. clearly silk. Uh, good try.". >> Yeah. He said, "This is I I know whose. shoot this is actually.". >> Yeah. >> It turns out that back in 1945, a jet. pilot named Floyd Walling bailed out of. his Corsair jet that was going down and. parachuted out in the woods around. Amboy, Washington, right? Which isn't. too far from Ariel. And it wasn't.

Cooper's shoot. You guys all remember. when they found that parachute, right? Like 2008. It wasn't that long ago. It. was a big deal. Um, and it wasn't his. shoot, but it did suggest that possibly. he could have made it because Floyd. Walling had and he walked out of the. woods in terrible weather just like DB. Cooper would have had to. So, it kind of. um shined a light on the whole thing. again. >> Yeah. It kind of kicked some interest. up. So, um. >> over the years there have been many many. many suspects. Like we're talking over a.

thousand. And the FBI won't even say how. many suspects they've had or weirdly. people confessing to be DB Cooper. It's. one of those strange things that people. do, right? >> Where they claim to be something that. will send you to prison. >> Well, a lot of them are already in. prison, but they're in worse prison and. hoping to go to good prison. >> No, it's true. Apparently, state. prisoners will try to confess to federal. crimes because the cinnamon buns are. better in federal prison. >> I was thinking cinnamon buns. >> Were you really? >> Yep.

That's because there's cinnamon buns in. our green room. >> Yeah. >> Well, no. We mentioned that in the. prison. That's like a commodity in. prison, right? Cinnamon buns. >> Yeah. It's like currency. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. >> Cinnamon buns and cigarettes. >> We know. >> So, there's a very famous sketch. So, if. you go home before you get on YouTube. and look at the uh the first three. minutes of that terrible movie, which. you definitely need to do, just Google, get on the Googles and and type in uh DB.

Cooper sketch. There's a very singular famous sketch of. DB Cooper. >> It looks like Kevin Spacy. It looks a lot like Kevin Spacy. >> Yeah. Or Don Draper again. >> as Kevin Spacy. >> I think it would be Kevin Spacy as Don. Draper. >> Yeah. Yeah, sure. So, if you go home and. look at that, it's like, you know, got. this kind of short-haired guy. Looks. like he's sort of from the 50s or 60s. He's got the hair. He's got the. sunglasses on and the tie, the skinny. tie. And that's the only sketch that.

they have of DB Cooper that they got. from uh the flight attendants, specifically Tina Mucklaw, cuz she spent. like 5 hours right next to the dude. >> Yeah. Um, she incidentally. was really messed up after this, understandably. And she went to be a nun. in Oregon in the 1980s, which is a. little weird. I didn't know they had uh. convents in Oregon. >> Sure. Everywhere. >> Convents everywhere. >> There's a convent right over in the. alleyway back there. >> There's a convent behind us right now. But even worse than that, the mother.

superior in an article I read at the. convent said, "She never really fit in. here.". >> Oh, >> you're not supposed to say that if. you're a mother superior. That's a. mother inferior if you ask me, you know. >> Good one. >> So, >> sorry, you go ahead. >> No, you. >> All right. If you look at some of the. behavior that Cooper displayed, you're. going to turn up some clues, and that's. what the FBI does. They kind of examine. what happened. Um, he chose a military. shoot, which could mean one of two.

things. either he was former military, which could narrow it down, or it could. mean he has no idea what he's doing when. it comes to jumping out of a plane, >> right? And the choice of that dummy. shoot would definitely suggest that. because even recreational sky divers say. like even if you're just a military. parachutist, you're going to see a huge. X on a parachute and instinctively shy. away from that parachute. You know, >> I thought it stood for extreme, >> right? Mountain Dew extreme.

So there a lot of people say I think he. probably is ex-military, had some like. parachuting experience, probably a. paratrooper or something like that. >> Yeah. >> A lot of people point to the idea that. um he knew a lot about the plane. He. knew about the wing flap degree that it. could go to. He knew about altitude. A. lot of the witnesses later on said that. um he clearly was um very much aware of. what was going on in the cabin. He just. knew the plane very much. So, a lot of.

other people say this guy was probably. an airline employee, maybe even a pilot, actually based on the um altitude and. stuff that he gave them to fly. >> Yeah. And one of the weird things that. he knew was that uh the 727100 had an. apt staircase that you could lower and. jump out of because this wasn't common. knowledge at the time. >> Uh apparently a small group of people. knew this. you were either an employee. of Boeing or you may have been in the. CIA because in the Vietnam War we. actually used a 727 over Cambodia which.

is where we were not supposed to be and. they lowered that a staircase of the 727. to drop supplies. >> They said go. >> You can't steer but go. >> Well, and then there's the whole thing. with the SR71 Blackbird. So a lot of. couprists still say that he might have. been secretly a member of the CIA, right? Because he knew about the aft. staircase. He knew about the or the. blackbird was scrambled. So they had. like some skin in the game, >> right? So a lot of suspects have come. and gone and come back and stayed over.

the years. Um the FBI says about well. they won't say but a lot of people say. about a thousand like Chuck said, but. one of the first ones to emerge was a. dude named Richard McCoy. And um in. February of 1972, I think 4 months after. the DB Cooper heist, Richard McCoy. hijacked a 727100. flight and he asked for $500,000 in cash. and he parachuted successfully out the. back over Utah, right?

>> Yeah. >> So, a lot of people say that's pretty. similar. >> Yeah. >> Maybe that was DB Cooper. >> Well, and 500 grand that to me that. makes sense. Like 200 grand worked out. fine, right? I should have asked for. more to begin with. >> So, let me try it again. >> Let's try it again. >> Uh, it turns out that he was a green. beret in uh Vietnam, so that sort of. fits with the whole profile. Uh, he. looked a little bit like the sketch of. Dan Cooper. And. >> a little bit, >> yeah, he was 29 years old, so he was. much younger than Cooper, but he didn't.

look 29. I'll say that. He looked much. older than that. >> True. >> He looked more like D uh Don Draper than. Charles Manson. >> It's true. >> I'll say that. >> Absolutely. Uh so this guy gets caught. actually after pulling off this heist uh. initially and he goes to prison and he. makes a fake gun out of dental plaster. from the dentist in the prison and he. takes a truck by force and literally. crashes through the front gate of the. prison and escapes and is later killed. in a shootout by cops.

>> Which is to say Richard McCoy knew how. to live. he did. and die. Uh and his family would later go on to. say actually he was at home in. Thanksgiving 1971. Uh so it probably. wasn't him, >> right? >> Good suspect though. >> Suspect number two is named Dwayne. Weber, right? >> Is this your guy? No, this isn't your. guy. >> No, this isn't my guy. >> I like this guy. He's fine, but I don't. like him. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So Dwayne Weber was a career criminal.

And the definition of a career criminal. is one where you and your alias have. both done time in prison. >> Yeah. >> And he and his alias had done a combined. 16 years. Right. So he uh was on his. deathbed and his wife Joe came around. and said, "How you doing?" It's like, "While I'm still dying, I have a. confession for you I'd like you to hear. Um I am Dan Cooper." And Joe's like, "I. don't know who that is.

and Dwayne blows up. They have a fight. on his deathbed, never speak of it again, and he dies. nine days later. So Joe starts poking. around after that. She's like, "Who is. this Dan Cooper?" Which is a legitimate. question after an experience like that. that she went through, >> I would say. So, and she finds out uh. via internet, this is 1995, that uh Dan. Cooper was DB Cooper. And she said, "You. know what? I think that he was telling.

the truth. I think he was DB Cooper. because you know what? I remember in. 1979, we were on a vacation. We were on. a car trip. Uh we were kind of right. around the area where the hijacking or. I'm sorry, where the landing supposedly. took place and my husband stopped the. car and just pointed and said, "You know. what? That's where DB Cooper walked out. of the woods.". >> Which is a weird thing to say on. vacation. >> Very weird thing to say. It's even. weirder that she didn't say, "What the. hell are you talking about?".

>> Yeah, agreed. >> There's another story later on. They. were on another vacation. >> No, this is the same vacation. >> Oh, is the same one? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> All right, we'll just call this the. communication vacation. >> The non-communication vacation cuz they. clearly didn't talk to one another. because he stopped over the Columbia. River on a bridge. literally stops on a. bridge, gets out of the car, goes to the. back, opens the trunk, and is just gone. for like 10 minutes. Gets back in the. car, and they just drive on.

>> Yeah. >> And she doesn't say anything. >> She's just sitting there like this. >> I know. Yumi. >> Yumi would have been like, "Why'd you. take your foot off the gas?". >> Yeah. You know, started to break. >> There would have been Emily would have. had 300 questions on why we stopped on a. bridge and I opened the trunk. >> Yeah. Not Joe. >> Not Joe. >> Yeah. >> So, a lot of people still like Dwayne. Weber, but he's actually The FBI said, "No, that's not the guy. We ruled him. out with DNA." Right.

>> Yes. >> The next guy is my guy. Kenny. Christensen Chuckers. >> That's right. He was a pretty well-liked. suspect for a while. He um uh keeping. with the the series of family members. outing their family as Stevie Cooper. >> Yeah. which actually supports the family. motto that I was brought up with, never. trust family. >> Right. It's a proud Clark tradition. So, his brother Lyall actually, this. this gets a little weird. He outed him.

as a suspect in an effort to get the. screenwriter Norah Efron. sleepless in Seattle. Right. >> Yeah. It's all coming for. >> Didn't even see that coming. He tried to. get Norah Efron to write a movie about. DB Cooper via his brother being the main. suspect. And he weirdly, I guess he. didn't have an agent. He hired a private. investigator to get him in touch with. Norah Efron. >> Right. >> Very strange, but he championed his own. brother as the main suspect. >> or outed him. That's another way to put.

it for sure. Sure. And um a guy named. Joffrey Gray wrote a really great. article in New York Magazine if you guys. are interested about this particular. guy. But um there are a lot of. similarities between DB Cooper and Kenny. Christensen. For one, he he looks a lot. like him right off the bat. He was a. purser for Northwest Orient Airlines. That's a big deal. Yeah. >> Former paratrooper. >> Yeah. >> Uh he was quiet. He smoked cigarettes. He drank bourbon. Lived in the area. where the hijacking took place, which is.

to say around here. And um in I think. 2011, Joffrey Gray, the guy who wrote. that New York Magazine article, got in. touch with Florence Shaner and said, "What about this guy?" And Florence. Shaner said, "I think you may be on to. something here." Yeah. And like Dwayne. Weber, Kenny Christensen on his deathbed. tried to make a confession to his. brother Lyall. He he said, "I have. something really important to tell you, but I'm not sure if I can if I can say.

this." And Lyall said, "No, no, no. I. don't want to hear it.". >> But did you guys know that you can not. hear a deathbed confession? >> Well, not only that, but I want nothing. more than to hear a deathbed confession. >> I would be dying. I would be like, "Oh. my god.". >> Be like, "Dish.". >> Yes. What do you have to say? But he was. like, "No, no, no. I don't I don't want. to hear what you got to say. Just go. ahead and die.". >> And then he lay on top of him. >> Yeah. >> Till he stops squirming. >> Here, this pillow will make you.

comfortable. Shh. You sleep now, brother. >> What is going on with these people? >> Did you just do the Buffalo Bill voice? >> No. >> Oh, okay. >> That was coincidental. >> Uh, who else do we have? LD Cooper. >> Yeah. >> Little on the nose. >> Dad. >> with the name. >> He lived in the area, too. >> Yeah. And he was also outed by a family. member, keeping with the Clark family. tradition. This time it was his niece. >> Uh, and she said, "You know what? I.

remember this was in 2011. This is not. too long ago. She said, "You know what? I remember back in Thanksgiving 1971, just like it was yesterday, and Uncle LD showed up bruised and. bleeding. for dinner, but he was euphoric, which. was weird." And I'm just now mentioning. this, >> right? And what she she said, by the. way, she had a book coming out. simultaneously as she's telling. everybody this. What did she say that. she overheard? Cuz this is where she.

loses Chuck and me. >> Well, yeah. She said uh he went to talk. to uh he was my uncle. He went to talk. to my dad and they were I overheard them. in the hallway say, "We did it. Our. money problems are over. We hijacked the. plane.". The book by Simon and Schustster on sale. now. >> Yeah. >> At your local airport. >> But there were a few things. Uh, it. wasn't totally out of the blue. Um, he. was an engineer at Boeing.

>> No, his brother was. >> Oh, his brother was. Yeah, but they were. in on it together. >> Sure. Right. >> Cuz we hijacked the plane, >> right? >> He's a silent partner. Uh, and weirdly, he remember those Dan Cooper comic. books. He was one of the 10 people on. the planet that was a fan of the Dan. Cooper. >> That's a little weird. >> It's pretty good. The weird thing is is. he didn't have any experience skydiving, which a lot of people say, well, it's. just too insane to think that somebody. who never skydived before did their. first skydive during a heist out of a. 727. But the people who knew LD Cooper.

say, "No, he was just crazy enough to do. something like that." And you can make a. case that that actually explains the. choice of the dummy shoot, tell you the. truth. >> That's right. And the military shoot. even. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, the legacy of DB Cooper. Uh, to this day, the heist remains the. only unsolved airline hijacking in the. history of the world. >> In America. >> In America. >> Really? Are there other ones? You're.

like, "Yeah, >> I I'm only standing behind America.". >> Oh, okay. I got you. >> Yeah. Right. Uh, every year if you go to the Aerial. Store and Tavern in Ariel, Washington, you can go to the DB Cooper Days. Festival. >> Yeah. Have you guys has anyone ever been. to that? >> We should all go. >> Let's go right now. >> We're going to meet up this uh. Thanksgiving. Uh, you can win a DB. Cooper lookalike contest. >> If you look like Kevin Spacy. >> Yes. Or Charles Manson or Don Draper,

which none of us do. Well, I'm talking. about you and me. I look like Justin. Bieber. [Applause]. I look like I ate Justin Bieber. [Applause]. I just spit out my tooth. That's how I lost it. I broke it on. Justin Bieber's bones. >> Justin Bieber's bones. They're pliable,

though. >> Uh you can go to that and win the. contest. There have been songs over the. years. There was that terrible movie. There have been countless uh TV. reenactments and dramatizations. >> Unsolved mysteries. Am I right? >> Yeah. >> Everybody see that one? >> You can watch that on the YouTube too. >> Yeah. >> Uh and there are many many Cooperist. websites. Uh most notably one called. dropzone.com. >> And drop zone actually used to be a. recreational skydiving site until it got. mostly taken over by DB Cooper.

afficionados. >> They hijacked the website. >> They did, as a matter of fact. And this. site is like so hot for Cooper Sleuths. that a guy named Secret started posting. on it. And he seemed to have a lot of. information about the DB Cooper case. that people didn't know about. And it. turned out that these Cooper Sleuths. were so good they unmasked the secret. guy as the new agent in charge of the DB. Cooper case, Larry Carr, who's posting. secretly as Secret on the Drop Zone. boards. That's how good these people.

are. He's like, "No, I'm not." Yes, you. are. No, I'm not. >> Yes, you are. >> Yes, you are. >> He's like, "Okay, I am.". >> You can go on YouTube. Boy, you got you. got a lot of YouTubing to do tonight, people. >> You can go on YouTube as well and and. look up Larry Carr. And for many, many. years, they kept all this evidence sort. of under wraps. And you can look up. videos now. Larry Carr said, "You know. what we should do? The modern age is. here. We have the YouTubes and we can. let everyone see this evidence." Even. though I think it's kind of funny that.

the FBI's official thing is like, "No, he totally died." Right? No one told. Larry Carr that. >> No. >> You know, because he's like, "Let's make. a YouTube video. Let's show everyone. this the skinny tie.". >> All the kids are into it now. >> He shows the clip on tie. You can see. all the You can see the money, the clip. on tie, all this evidence uh hoping for. a lead. >> And he he oversaw DNA evidence actually. being removed from the tie. They found. three people's profiles. They also. found, and we don't even know, but pure. titanium and impatience pollen.

Hopefully that will eventually crack the. case. But it made everybody just be. like, "What? We thought we had a handle. on this impatience. Paulen, where did. that come from?". >> So, um, >> bring us home, my friend. >> The Thank you. The Cooper heist. It. changed America forever, right? DB. Cooper is the reason we all started. walking through metal detectors shortly. afterward. He's the reason, seriously, he's the reason that uh the airlines. were given the right to search your bags. before you get on one of their planes.

Um, and they apparently reinstituted the. death penalty for hijacking. I don't. know when they took it off. Was it like. sea ships being hijacked? And then. >> I have no idea. >> I don't either. But the the the. I I think the coolest outcome of this. whole thing was if you look at a Boeing. 727, they still make them airplane. If. you look at that a staircase in the. back, there's a white paddle that holds. the stairs closed. Pretty smart. You.

can't open the aft staircase mid-flight. because you have to go outside and pull. the paddle down and then the aft. staircase will open. And it's a a pretty. smart easy solution to a pretty complex. case. And they call that little white. paddle a Cooper vein. >> That's right. And that is the story of. DB Cooper. And that is our show. >> Good night, Seattle. Good night, everyone. Thank you.

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