Selects: Who is The Man of the Hole? | STUFF YOU SHOULD KNOW

hey everybody Chuck here with a Saturday. select bringing you one all the way back. from August 2018 a nice summer episode. who is the man of the. Hole uh this is very interesting the man. of the hole is was somebody who lived uh. by. himself as an uncontacted human well. pretty much uncontacted uh very. interesting story sometimes I wish I was. the man of the whole but uh check it out.

right now who is the man of the. [Music]. hole welcome to stuff you should know a. production of iHeart. [Music]. Radio hey and welcome to the podcast I'm. Josh Clark and there's Charles W Chuck. Bryant there's Jerry Jerome. Roland boy I'm not in a good way today. Chuck you off your. game as if you can't tell I think you're.

fine well thanks man I feel a lot better. sure uh yeah no I'm okay I can tell you. I'm I'm surrounded by friends. family like your dad's in the corner. it's weird I have he dad I have TV oh. man I instagrammed a photo of my mom and. dad oh yeah from the 70s yeah and um I. captioned it they're like looking at. each other kind of lovingly and I.

captioned it um the moment before I was. conceived you know what Jerry showed me. that today oh yeah she did I look a lot. like my parents mixed together huh well. the first thing I noticed was like wow. that's that's what Josh would have. looked like as a grown man in the. 1970s because that profile of your dad I. i' I was I don't know I'd never seen. your dead young so I was like man that's. really that's you yeah I totally saw it. I saw both.

yeah yeah because you look at my dad. you're like oh that's Josh but then you. look at my mom you're like oh there's. Josh too very bizarre yeah I don't I. guess I I definitely favor my father um. is that right yeah so a lot of people. just fa favor one or the other but I'm. 5050 yep that's what we call you old. 5050. yeah I think that's a new one there's a. t-shirt yeah 50/50 Clark um. so oh I know the point I was making.

there's this house of Works article that. you sent called The Man in the ho M and. it talks about this guy who is the last. of his kind he's as as this article put. it like the loneliest person on Earth. and I was like yeah I mean I'm sure this. is a lot like being in solitary. confinement or something like that but. no this is way beyond that and this. house offf Works article by uh jesselyn. Shields like really drove it home she. wrote like what if you were the last.

person who could speak your language the. last person who remembered what. Halloween was or a Coca colola or that a. dog says. woof like imagine that and I'm like yeah. that's way different from being in. solitary solitary confinement would be. bad enough you know you're physically. restrained but at least you know out. there that there are other people who. know the same things you know that speak. the same language you speak that your. family still out there that kind of.

thing this is utterly different and this. man uh the last tribesman he's called or. the man in the whole. is possibly not just the the last of his. kind he might be the only person on the. entire planet in the situation that he's. in. maybe isn't that bizarre to think yeah I. mean we did uh we did another show on. are there undiscovered people quite a. few years back and a def I don't know.

how he didn't get to this guy but I saw. this article and it it was striking. especially if you've seen the couple of. videos and I think there are only two. pieces of video of this dude uh one I. saw where they were sort of shooting you. know they were zoomed in on a Hut and. that's you know where he lives there's a. series of thatched Huts in the uh tanaru. indigenous Reserve in the rondonia state. of Brazil yep about 20,000 acres big.

area of the forest in Jungle so he lives. in these thatched Huts uh that are. scattered about in the middle of nowhere. and they were able to get them on film. kind of zoomed in between the cracks and. you see the guy kind of looking a little. bit but you can't make out much so I saw. that video and then I saw another one. where it was a pretty good shot of him. from a distance making good work trying. to chop down a tree that was the most. recent video right which uh well let's.

just go ahead and get into this he he. was found or discovered in I think. 1996 uh when some. loggers uh from the state of. rondonia which from the impression I. have this is a very rough and tumble. State populated by loggers and cattle. ranchers and um there are very few laws. from what I understand and things are. settled by the gun is the impression. that I have of Randon it's right smack.

dab in the middle of South America and. it's extraordinarily densely Jun jungled. in the Amazon yeah I mean that one New. York Times uh article like the guy was. talking that they were talking to said. from a helicopter you look down there. and you think there's just no one down. there it's just all jungle he said but. when you get down there he said there's. a lot of people and Drug Runners and bad. men everywhere so this guy is definitely. an anomaly mhm uh because he is not.

hanging out with. anybody no and the reason why they think. he's alone Chuck is because back in 1995. 1996 when the um rumors of like a a wild. man in the jungle started to circulate. um they think that he had he had just. recently survived a Slaughter that had. killed off the rest of his tribe which. was only like supposedly five or six. people by that point because they think. the rest had been slaughtered and that. that's a common thing we're going to.

come up on in a couple of these is these. ranchers and loggers they're like we. want to go clear this land and there's a. tribe A native tribe there an indigenous. tribe so let's just slaughter them yeah. get them out of the way it's really. really awful awful thing and it's been a. very common thing apparently since the. 70s and 80s when ranchers and loggers. moved into rondonia um it just snatching. up land and this is again this is the. Amazon this is.

basically. pristine uh Forest rainforest that. people who have never been contacted by. any anyone from the outside world live. still to this day and this guy is one of. them so at first they thought maybe he. was just a a member of a a tribe um that. we already know about and then over time. as they started to study this guy it. became quite clear that no he was he's a.

member of a tribe that we didn't know. about before and we're pretty sure he's. the last of his kind yeah so there's. this organization called uh fi Fu n AI. the national Indian Foundation of Brazil. and they have been tasked with for the. past 20 years monitoring this dude and. before his companions were killed. monitoring his companions and you sent a. nice followup on fi they're they have a. few departments and one is called the.

general coordination unit of uncontacted. Indians the. cgii and that was established in 1987. and they're the only Department of. government in the world which protects. indigenous peoples who don't have. contact with the outside world or nearby. tribes yeah because before in the like. 19th century and even through a lot of. the 20th century there was it was is. basically Christian missionaries who.

were making their way into the Amazon to. contact tribes and bring them Jesus. basically and also health care and food. and all that stuff tools the Implements. of modern culture but also to proze too. and there was a lot of um it just wasn't. very well thought out and as a result. even even from these these the best of. intentions that a lot of these. missionaries had a lot of tribes died so. in 1910 Brazil came up with their um I.

think it was like the Indian Protection. Services was the name of the de. Department that they first came up with. and um the Indian Protection. Service they took over from the. missionaries and it was a step up in. that sense because it was more. coordinated there was thought to it. there was some sort of study but the. point was to take um uncontacted. Amazonian tribes and bring them into the. mod world so that they could assimilate.

with the mod world the point was to. basically reduce cultural diversity in. Brazil um and that kept going until the. 60s when there was a huge expose about. the Indian Protection Service um that. they had just fallen down so terribly in. their mission that there was basically. Mass extermination slavery rape. everything every horrible thing that you. can think of that could befall a human. being happened to these tribes under the.

watch of the Indian Services protection. over 60 years yeah so uh the department. in 19 uh in 1987 the the G uh cgii was. founded by a man named Sydney uh pasuelo. I guess that's how you pronounce that. and this was a big CA change in policy. which was like you were saying the. previous strategy establish contact to. try and get them integrated at some. point uh to this new policy which was.

don't even contact these people unless. they are under serious threat because. history has shown all manner of bad. things uh can happen when you contact. these people. um one of which is certainly introducing. them to new diseases right and things. that will kill them that they've never. never seen or. experienced uh and and this is you know. there's a big debate still on like what.

the best policies are here yeah so these. two um American anthropologists white. American anthropologists um men who I. guess wrote a open letter in either. science or nature I think nature um. basically saying Brazil and Peru um. should reverse this this long-standing. policy of of not contacting Indians um. in the Amazon and should actually.

plan uh peaceful well organized contact. so that that they can be better. protected it's these Anthropologist. stance that if you don't protect them. they're going to die one way or another. that there's no way that they're going. to remain isolated on in the long term. maybe you've got another generation. possibly of some of these tribes that. could live like this but beyond that. it's just not going to happen there's. too many powerful interests banging on.

the doors of their preserved areas who. are more than willing to hire people uh. who will accept money to go kill these. people just to get this land and by just. leaving them alone you're leaving them. very vulnerable whereas if you if you. plan out contact then conceivably you. can show them that there are things like. medical treatment there is e better ways. that you can protect them you can kind. of give them contact and that even more. so interview with groups that have.

become have initiated contact or have. had contact made with them said we would. have made contact with you guys earlier. but we thought we were going to be. enslaved or murdered or something we had. no idea that you wanted to actually help. us had we known that we would have. contacted you guys decades ago so those. two things put together these American. anthropologists have said we we endorse. this and funai and a lot of other groups. including the UN and uh um a Human.

Rights group in the UK called survivors. International have said um no that is. totally disrespectful that flies. completely in the face of of agreed upon. procedure and protocol just be quiet. you're being neoc colonialists yeah I. think it's interesting though because. what they're trying to do is like you. said have very highly controlled contact. and the assumption that they don't want. to be. contacted uh at least through their eyes. appears to be false because like you. mentioned they're afraid of being uh.

kidnapped or something or overtaken and. if had they known like oh you just want. to give us some nice tools and maybe. inoculate us uh and we we'd actually be. down with that as long as you leave. afterward right and these two. anthropologists said like you got to do. this smartly like you basically have to. go in with cultural translators usually. um tribes who have made contact with. Outsiders before already established.

contact that live in the same area who. might be able to to translate between. The Outsiders and the actual uncontacted. tribes and you need healthc care. providers who are going to stay there. for at least a year you need at least a. year of sustained care or else yes. they're going to die from these diseases. you're going to bring in inevitably yeah. I mean they're they're good uh they give. good examples to in that article uh. about how this is backfired with. missionaries like uh the yor people they.

were there for 6 months and the. missionary said well let's let's go on. vacation and then the yora died a few. weeks later and then in. 1975 uh missionaries provided care to a. community on a. community uh they took a. vacation and then they died as well so. they're saying like you got to have a. plan to go in and stay there you can't. just go in bring him some food and. machetes inoculate like spring break.

and then then get out of there but I get. the idea that this is still a pretty hot. topic of debate oh yeah know that th. those anthropologists um they they set. off a huge debate and I think it was. sparked by the um the video that was. released by Survivor International of. the man in the hole um chopping down a. tree and the video was taken in 2011 but. they only just released it in July of. 2018 and I this is yeah this is very.

much still going on this big debate it's. a huge it's a huge issue and you can you. can kind of see both sides like I had. just read about fi's um counter to it. that like look dudes this is our thing. we got this you just mind your own. business we have our own policy stay out. right stay out of this but then if you. read the Anthropologist letters you're. like actually they they have a couple of. good points here so it's it's not a. clear-cut. um. picture one way or the other it's it's.

definitely there's a lot of of nuance to. it on both sides all right let's take a. respit let's take a Furlow or vacation. yeah and we'll come back and talk a. little bit more about the man in the. [Music]. hole.

all right so the reason they call him. the man of the hole or the man in the. hole is the odd thing of inside these. thatched Huts of which he has uh several. around this. area inside the Huts are these and all. over the place there are these holes. with like spikes for like trapping. animals but he has these six foot deep. uh holes inside of his own huts and. apparently no no other tribes around him.

have done this and it's very unusual uh. thing and the the belief is that he is. it's for his own protection I guess if. he's being fired upon or something by. loggers he can jump down on one of these. holes yeah that's the impression I have. too which is extraordinarily sad it is. so the reason why they think that um. that he has these holes is because he's. had terrible run-ins I guess this this. seem seem to be evidence that he he is.

the Survivor of a Slaughter or a. massacre because this is not a normal. technique that they've seen with other. tribes um and they found it at every. single one of the Huts that they've come. upon of his yeah they they do know. though from uh tailing him or tailing. him monitoring him for the past couple. of decades though that he he hunts with. a bow and arrow he farms uh probably at. night and stays out of the you know as. much as he can can stays inside during. the day out of fear which is also awful.

uh but he Farms like papaya and corn and. other fruits and vegetables uh he has. all these traps set everywhere like I. mentioned um they have found handcarved. arrowheads uh torches made from branches. and resin uh and at one point they they. actually tried to make contact they. several points well at one point when. they when they tried to make contact. though he he fired upon them with his. bow and arrow and actually MH hit. someone in the chest one of the FI.

agents yeah and they were like all right. we're out of here yeah at that point. they stopped trying to initiate contact. with this guy and again this is like. peaceful contact they're trying to. initiate not like uh Hey man get off of. this land they're like saying do you. need anything do you want some food what. do you what do you want and the first. few attempts to contact him resulted in. him just basically slipping into the. shadows in the jungle and just. disappearing. um then it progressed into standoffs.

then it progressed into a shooting and. so they step back Survivor International. and fi and some other groups stepped. back and said this guy is escalating in. hostilities he's showing us he doesn't. want anything to do with us like I you. it would be something if like he'd shot. the first time and then Slipped Away the. second time and and the hostilities were. decreasing but instead it's going the. opposite way the hostilities were.

increasing so he's getting that he has. the opportunity to contact these people. who are coming with their hands up and. like not trying to kill him and he's. still saying back off so finally the. government said we're just going to back. off and they backed off they the FI. established this policy of not. contacting this guy not even attempting. to contact this guy but instead. monitoring him um making sure that his. preserve is um protected and and then. leaving him things like the axe that he.

was seen using in that 2011 video or. seeds for some of the um the plants that. he grows yeah which a lot of times he. doesn't even accept or take these gifts. uh I imagine he's not very trusting uh. and like you said as far as protecting. the area in 2007 uh fi and the. government um eventually increased the. area to 31 square miles around where he. was is off limits to any trespassing or. development later expanded to 3,000. hectares. so I think they added another 3,000.

hectar okay to the already square. mileage uhhuh uh and this has really. ticked off the the ranchers and the. loggers because they're like our. business is being held back back by this. one guy yeah and they want to kill him. to kill him as a matter of fact in in. when the government announced that it. was not only keeping up the practice of. uh preserving this guy's land 31 square. miles but adding an extra 3,000 hectares. which brought the total to 422 Square.

mil or 110 square km that this man has. to himself the five ranches that. surround this preserve um hired somebody. to go try to kill him yeah fi went and. checked on them after a couple weeks. after that announcement was made public. and they found that their Outpost was. ransacked and that um they had found. shotgun shells spent shotgun shells in. the forest floor so there's clearly an. attempt to made on the made on the guy's. life and for a couple years they had no.

idea if he' survived until that video. was made in 2011 that showed this guy. who was Now 50 they've been tracking him. since he was in his 30s yeah he's in his. 50s now um chopping down a tree yeah. chopping down a tree like it's nothing. so they knew that he was alive and in. good health as of 2011 and they're. assuming that he's still alive man how. good would a movie be about this guy I. know just have a lot of it play out in. silence you know. yeah that would be amazing that would be.

cool I mean it's it's crazy to see a. video of this guy from seven years ago. like in the world we live in to think. about there's still places on Earth. where this guy it's almost like the. Japanese. straggler right who had no idea that the. war had been over for whatever 30 years. living in the jungle yeah uh it's just. amazing to think about the fact that. this is the lone the lone guy out there. by himself and what his life must be. like. but not not only that it's like I like.

when I when we did the paramedics. episode I think I said something like. there's there's no greater symbol of. humanity than paramedics you know I. think this is another really great. symbol of human this guy that well well. no the the the the FI the Brazilian. government's response to this that this. man has been has been part of a tribe. he's the last of his tribe and the. Brazilian government has said this man. deserves to live his life out and. in the way that he wants to in his.

traditional way to be left alone and. we're going to designate 110 square km. that belong to no one but this man yeah. despite the fact that all around him is. it's the outside world trying to press. in we're going to stand in the way of. that so that this guy can live out his. natural life that just gets me you know. right in the Bread Basket yeah I think. the Disney version of this movie is they. would find a uh a lone tribes woman. somewhere M drop her off and have them.

have them meet cute by the papaya tree. yeah and the uh the ranchers want to. tickle. him but if it were. liveaction the these days it would be um. they would hire either John Wayne or. fiser Stevens to play the last truck. Fisher Stevens yeah remember he played. the Indian programmer in short circuit. really well that's right yeah geez yeah. that was as recently as the 80s right. it's not like Mickey Rooney playing an.

Asian man in the. 1960s yeah not like that was any better. no boy Hollywood yeah they've been. getting it wrong for so long they have. at least Mongol got it right though. right uh maybe yeah we haven't seen any. reserve judgement uh should we take. another break yeah we should all right. we'll take another break and talk a. little bit more uh about some of these. um isolated tribes right after. this.

[Music]. okay Chuck so the the last tribesman the. the um the man in the hole he's being. left alone and that's policy in Brazil. and Peru from what I understand now um. there are some tribes that have actually.

um accepted contact and have made. peaceful contact and have become um uh I. guess a little more integrated I think. there's three degrees that. fi separates tribes into indigenous. tribes into there's totally uncontacted. which is like they are living off on. their own they outside world has nothing. to do with them there's um partially. Conta Ed or partially assimilated they. get.

emails right like they they're they're. living in their Hut in the jungle but. they still have an iPhone right um and. then there's fully assimilated where. they like live in a city now or. something like that or they have like a. job in the city or something like that. um so it's not just in the Amazon it's. not just in Brazil where there are. uncontacted tribes although that is. definitely the the place where you're. going to find the most I think I saw. somewhere between 50 80 and.

120 uh uncontacted groups of indigenous. people are presumed to be living in the. Amazon still today yeah I mean just. those that random swath of numbers shows. you that they there's still so much they. don't know for sure but there's there. are other parts of the world where there. are uncontacted tribes um and you found. an article that that ran down a few of. them one that surprised me was just um. off the coast of India on Sentinel.

Island in India North Sentinel Island. good old cracked. article which may have been done under. the watch of our now colleague Mr Jack. O'Brien nice shout out to Jack and his. Daily zeit Guide zeit guys podcast yeah. which I was on have you been on yet I. Haven been on you gotta be on it's great. great fun as a matter of fact I'm going. to lap you I'm going to go on again oh. well please do all right uh yeah but the. ctin. uh on North Sentinel Island Indian they.

don't even know if that's their real. name they just call them that because I. guess we have called it North Sentinel. Island not you and me but other people. who named it I think the British but. apparently yeah probably uh we don't. know a lot about them but in 2006 a. couple of fishermen uh drifted there in. their boat uh near the island and were. killed and buried in Shallow Graves and. helicop came and they were like we got. to find this burial site and get these.

guys back at least and they started. firing arrows at the helicopter and it. was just out of there and the local cops. were like nah we're just going to leave. those guys there we're not we're not. going near it they have actually for. this is a this has been going on for a. very long time apparently Marco Polo um. remarked on them wrote about them he was. traveling I think the 12th or 13th. century so they've been Fierce for years.

now and apparently survived the 2004. tsunami yeah the Indonesia tsunami. that's crazy because this is an island. that the tsunami just swamped and they. they managed to hang on just fine I. think ancient people have survived more. than one tsunami you know I guess you're. right back through the years that was a. pretty bad one though yeah pretty. amazing uh this other one the uh cororo. y tribe of Papa Indonesia they were. contacted in in the 70s by of course.

missionaries and archaeologists and they. were using stone tools and living in. tree huts and stuff like that and their. big belief as a tribe was that the world. would be destroyed by an earthquake if. they assimilated and change their. Customs so missionary said all right you. know what we're just going to leave you. alone I want I think these people might. have invented. um uh bungee jumping do you remember. that land diving episode. they sound really familiar I think it.

might be maybe so but they are in the. middle of nowhere so it's a it's a long. way from even like other remote Villages. which is a I mean that's a that's a mark. in your favor for now but as the the. Amazon basin has been showing us since. the 70s and 80s so much of it has. disappeared due to clear cutting for um. ranching logging. um the the that how you just have no. idea how much longer that's going to.

hold up no matter where you are in the. world yeah I mean we're at 7 and a half. billion people now and in I think the. next 30 Years we're expected to hit 10. billion that's a lot more people that. not only need more land but also are. going to be using up those resources. that that that are currently on that. land right now you know yeah for sure I. mean like if they discover oil where the. kai tribe lives in. Indonesia there goes that isolation you. know yeah probably so and I think that's.

a that's a real danger for all tribes I. think that's probably what those two. anthropologists were talking about um. they're saying like long term we need a. plan here everybody we can't just be. like we we just won't contact them. because it's just not viable I think was. their point yeah uh what about the this. one really was interesting to me the old. Believers have you ever heard of them. yeah there's like some GQ article in the. last couple years about them are they. well dressed. I think so in burlap apparently yeah.

these are Soviet uh well here's the deal. in 1978 there were these geologists in. the Soviet Union that were looking for. iron ore uh they were in a helicopter. they saw a cabin way out in the remote. areas of. Siberia and they found a family there. that actually spoke a language I guess I. mean what would that be what language uh. old timey Russian. old timey Russian uhhuh uh and they were.

were huddled in fear and they were. yelling this is for our sins they were. dressed in burlap and living off the. land and apparently they were a group of. people called the old Believers which. left the Russian Church the main Russian. Church in the 17th century and had been. I guess looked at you know they kind of. went everywhere it was sort of a. diaspora for the old Believers some of. them just went to other countries and.

seeking Asylum or whatever and. apparently some of them just looked at. Siberia and were like no one's there so. we'll go there nice it sounds creepy. though the old Believers oh yeah that's. a terrible name for him you know it. seems like they could scan you or. something make your head explode or they. worship cthulu or something yeah so um I. almost feel like if we should look into. them a little more because I think they. could probably hold up their own episod. I you might be right I also remember.

hearing about families that lived in the. Ozark Mountains in um the Midwest of the. United States um I think around Arkansas. that had been out of contact didn't even. know the Civil War had happened they. were just that isolated so yeah you tend. to think of as just strictly indigenous. peoples and that it's just in the Amazon. but like there's there's groups all over. the world it's fewer and further between. outside of the Amazon because there's. less um unpopulated areas but it happens.

and one of the sad things about all this. is uh for one of these other tribes that. you know you can go read this cracked. article uh what's it. called I didn't see the title actually. it's just suddenly there were oh five. isolated groups who had no idea that. Civilization existed crack crack lists. were always so great are always so great. they've come in handy from time to time. uh but one of the sad things they point. out for one of these other tribes is. that in Peru and I imagine in some other. South American countries there are these.

awful things called human safaris where. and they will take tourists around to. like look at uncontacted tribes from. afar or and close up they're like here. drain some of this I Huska through your. nose and we're going to go check out. some some tribes hanging out on a. riverbank somewhere man so. weird uh well I want to add one more. thing I came across an article that. wasn't really appropo of what we were. talking about uh called the right to. kill um foreign policy magazine and it's.

about like this other tangential issue. that governments like Brazil have to. deal with which is like some of these uh. isolated groups practice things that the. the outside world finds abhorent or is. illegal in the outside world um. specifically in this article in Fant. asde uh if you're born with a disability. and I think about 20 uh of of Brazil's.

isolated tribes there's a chance that. the community will decide that you need. to die again it's the practice of. infanticide and Brazil's like we are not. quite sure what to do about this because. our constitution guarantees everyone in. Brazil the right to live but it also. guarantees the indigenous groups the. right to live according to their Customs. so they have no idea what to do and it's. a big thing about you know moral. relativism or moral absolutism and which. one's correct. uh and it's really interesting that. they're having to think about this right.

now yeah for sure it's a really. interesting article definitely worth. reading okay I will check it out are you. talking to me yeah I'm talking to. everybody but specifically you yeah um. well if you want to know more about. isolated tribes you can look those words. up anywhere on the internet and they're. going to deliver you some amazing stuff. and since I said that it's time for. listener. mail since you said amazing stuff mhm uh.

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for people who hate it uh or to hate it. but as a future educator since you two. are sort of Educators require that reach. a huge audience your outlook and. attitude about math is important it's. okay to not like math and think that. it's hard uh but know that you and. anyone can do math I know it's a silly. thing to ask and point out but I think. uh you could both has a have a positive. impact on the math stigma I wish you and. your wives Chuck your daughter all the. best thank you for all of your hard work.

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