Selects: How Motion Sickness Works | STUFF YOU SHOULD KNOW

hey everyone it's your pal Josh and for. this week's select I've chosen our 2016. episode on motion sickness one of the. worst non-injured non-life-threatening. things that can happen to you but don't. worry you won't get motion sick just. from listening and maybe knowing a. little more about it might help you. avoid it we can only hope. [Music]. enjoy welcome to stuff you should know a. production of iHeart. Radio.

[Music]. hey and welcome to the podcast I'm. Joshua Clark there's Charles W Chuck. Bryant and Jerry's over there I'm. speaking in a monotone kind. of hey. dude uh hey how's it going it's going. well I'm uh not motion sick so things. are fine do you get motion sick. sometimes I mean if the conditions are.

right I was really surprised to find. that not everybody gets motion sick what. are your conditions um poor ventilation. and like lots of movement um backseat of. a car okay uh but anytime I I read in a. car yeah even like glancing at my phone. on a map really yeah if I have to read. anything yeah it gets me very quick so. I've just learned out like I can't do it. yeah I cannot do it I don't I get it a.

little bit too I used to get it more I. think when I was younger supposedly. that's normal supposedly it is but I. remember a very specific story that my. brother still laughs at and by the way. boy I'm glad I said that I owe my. brother my big brother a big apology. because I saw him over the weekend and. he said oh by the way I was listen to an. old episode and you said you'd never. been a Grooms a uh a best man I was the. best man at my brother's wedding oh.

ouch man I felt like a jerk man Scott. I'm sorry I know and what happened was. when I said I hadn't I just like quickly. scanned through my friends that have. gotten married and I didn't think about. my brother and I was his best. man boy I know man what a jerk well it's. it's rectified now well I told him I was. like you're going to get a public. apology so there it is that pretty. public yeah as public as it gets well. you could have also started a. Squarespace website if you wanted to it.

would have been really easy I might do. that yeah um so anyway there's this old. story when we went to Disney uh gez. which is the one where body Wars is at. you should have asked Holly from stuff. you missed in history class she would. know she probably senses that someone's. talking about Disney right. now body Wars either was or still is I. don't know if it's still there one of. those uh rides that you sit in a you. know it was one of those first sort of. virtual uh things where they show you a. movie and then they moved the car like.

the amazing Voyage or something wasn't. it yeah you went inside a human body and. we're traveling around I want to say. Disney World but I can't remember um so. I went in that and I'm wait I'm guess. you grew up in Atlanta I'm guessing you. went to Disney World well it definitely. was a Disneyland but I don't know if it. was Epcot or Universal Studios or Disney. World it was in Orlando so from what I. understand we have a buddy who works for. Disney and he set me straight on this. before and I think I've got it. so Disney World is all of those the.

Magic Kingdom is what you're specifying. so Disney World includes Epcot and. Universal Studios if I'm not mistaken I. really hope I'm not mistaken and the. Magic Kingdom is. specifically uh the one with the castle. right if I did get that wrong Brandon I. apologize it's one with the castle all. the weird adults that think they're. children right like Holly from stuff you. miss in history class uh so body Wars. anyway you traveling through the body. and I remember at one point I was like. man it's getting hot in here and Scott.

was like this is great I was like I'm. not feeling so good man it's like do. they have the Heat going it's like what. are you talking about it feels great and. I got I didn't vomit but I got really. sick and made it through the ride and. left and he still teases me to this day. he was like it was temperature air. controlled and you thought it was like. 90° and they were like pumping in heat. it's funny like it it got to you like. that like your own body cold sweats the. whole deal W yeah that's bad but. generally and you you actually did puke.

no no no I did not puke oh you didn't. but generally I. don't like it takes a certain thing like. a really hardcore roller coaster right. going in fast fast circles but I don't. get sick on planes or the one cruise I. went on I didn't get. sick yeah you know I've gotten I've. gotten sick before like on vacation but. and on. planes it's usually fairly fleeting it's. when I introduce reading that it's like. you're in big trouble for a long time.

you can read on a plane though I can yes. yeah yeah now that I think about it's. reading in a car I just got to stay away. from that but usually it does come about. with like poor ventilation that kind of. thing um yeah which is another trigger. it's a big one or like a a rough odor or. something like that I'm sure all those. things don't help the thing is for for. as much as like we kind of commonly. understand motion sickness science. really doesn't have a full explanation. for it I'm picturing little Josh.

cuz riding backwards is bad and like a. rumble seat and a station wagon in a in. a Subaru Brat with like your dad has. like salami socks on or something that. stink what like the windows are rolled. up I don't know I was just trying to. think of something grossell salami socks. like socks made of salami sure like. wouldn't that smelled. gross he's wearing the skin of another. person well no I was thinking socks. smelled like old salami but made of. salami is even better right I think just. picturing you back there like reading.

your uh Mad Magazine feeling bad yeah. yeah no I do remember being a kid and. figuring out I can't reading cars there. was a period where I could which is kind. of surprising because when you're. younger you're more susceptible to. motion sickness yeah but I could read in. the car while I was younger and then. probably around the time of puberty I. was like can't do this anymore so you. went opposite yep weird yeah well maybe. you develop your hips right because. that's a we'll just leave that out there.

all right so 25 to 40% of people. supposedly are uh susceptible to motion. sickness so weird uh and it can happen. on planes it can happen it's weird this. one University of Maryland site I went. to said uh the following are the most. common risk factors riding in a car boat. airplane or space shuttle really yeah. nerds I just like they didn't even put. amusement park ride they just went. straight to space shuttle you know one. that I hadn't seen before but apparently.

is a thing is I'm looking through a. microscope yeah I hadn't that makes a. little bit of sense though yeah cuz the. slag can move and your eyes are seeing. movement but you're not moving uhuh and. yeah I'll get to you uh that's another. nerdy motion sickness space shuttles and. microscopes uh so like you said age. between 2 and 12 you're more likely uh. and then you're also more likely to grow. out of it after. puberty and one of the reasons that uh. women are more Mo sickness than men or.

get motion sickness more than men is. because one of the theories is that uh. after puberty they develop more in the. hips men develop more in the chest and I. guess that makes a difference they. didn't really explain why though did. they well it all has to do with sway. Theory which we'll talk that's right. sway Theory yeah but it is true that. like women are more susceptible just on. average to motion sickness than men are. yeah I saw some studies apparently also. Asian women. well Asian period yeah because uh Penn.

State did a study and they put people in. situations that make emotion sick or not. did you look into those oh is it like a. tilta whirl dude like if you went in for. just a clinical study like I'm going to. make some scratch and maybe they'll give. me a cool drug or something and it turns. out to be a motion sickness study you. should leave no I totally would so. there's this thing called a um optic. kinetic drum I believe is what it's. called oh I did see that yeah optic.

kinetic drum it's it's like um a a drum. like a big drum that you sit inside of. and it's got uh vertical black and white. painted stripes and it spins around you. crazy and the motion the movement is. really emphasized and like it's designed. to make anybody motion sick and that's. how they induce motion sickness and I. saw another one um where they use a. chair that just kind of moves you around. whether you like it or not and it. induces motion sickness like what a. terrible thing to happened to you man.

there was a ride at Six Flags Over. Georgia growing up that they got rid of. cuz someone got hurt supposedly where. it's this Barrel that you all get in you. stand it's like kind of below ground you. stand against the wall I love those and. it spins so fast then they drop the. floor beneath you yeah and the. centrifugal force holds you against the. wall it's like a spin cycle in a washing. machine you mean I were just talking. about that the other day that thing was. awful that was my favorite of all time. really uh-huh oh man I just thought it. was so cool well the old story was that. someone's leg got trapped when the floor.

came back up but I remember hearing that. now that I look back I'm sure that was a. old wife's taale although I was on. Snopes the other day and I was reading. an early article and they were talking. about um you know the urban legend about. some girl who got scalped because her. hair got caught in an amusement park. ride or something it actually happened. really yeah that girl's ponytail got. caught in there and just got pulled. right off of her head oh man I know but. it actually did happen so it's possible. someone's leg got got sucked into the. tilto whir well but then what happens is.

it happened to every amusement park you. know right it just and it happened to my. cousin's friend right all right so the. pin State study uh they put people in. these torture machines and interestingly. they did confirm 80% of uh Asian people. uh got sick when it was less than 50%. for uh Caucasian and non-caucasian which. is really that's very crazy um but it it. kind of underscores a growing awareness. Ness among motion sickness researchers.

AKA that the evil ones um that genetics. play a big role in susceptibility to. motion sickness well yeah cuz here were. another couple of findings that lend to. that um twins they studied 200 sets of. identical twins and 100% of the. identical twins were both affected. really um yeah and some of that you know. they can't prove that it's genetics. because it also could be the uh uh just.

the where they were raised and how they. were raised what's that called uh. nurture environment environment. environmental um and if parents are both. susceptible to motion sickness they. found that their children are five times. more likely so it sort of points to. genetics but then other things point. away from genetics like. why why would you know two people in the. same family in the same conditions not. get sick or why why why did two people.

period not get sick right under the same. conditions yeah like I guess what I'm. saying same salami sock smell yeah same. backwards facing seat yeah I guess what. I'm saying is they haven't figured it. out no they haven't but if we do figure. out that it's genetic thanks to the. magic of the crisper cast 9 Gene editing. process yes we'll be able to knock that. right out for you what else pregnant. yeah pregnant women are more susceptible. to it um women uh who are menstruating I.

think also are and people who get. migraines yeah are more susceptible and. then people who sleep poorly are more. susceptible to um uh motion sickness. yeah it says if you're prone to nausea. or vomiting but I don't know if that's. like that's sort of a chicken or the egg. thing yeah if ask me we'll uh we're. going to get into again we said science. doesn't understand exactly what's going. on here but there's some good theories. we're going to talk about them right. after this.

[Music]. [Applause]. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music]. so uh Chuck yeah let's talk about some. theories for motion sickness because cuz. there kind of two yeah I saw I think it.

was this Atlantic article you sent it's. not so much um it's not so much science. it's a debate yeah over you know the. likelier explanation but they actually. kind of fit together I think so yeah but. if you ask the people apparently the. author in the Atlantic uh it's called. The Mysterious science of motion. sickness he sort of pokes fun a little. bit he's like to me they sound sort of. the same but don't tell that to those. people who believe one or the together. cuz they're like no they're nothing like.

each other yeah she Julie Beck oh is. that who it was all right nice job Julie. good article um pet on the back for you. cold star so uh here's the first one is. and this one they both make a lot of. sense to me um basically there's a a. dissonance between the parts of your. body that sense motion right that's the. easiest way to say it it's called the. sensory conflict theory yeah so you got. your eyeballs yeah that it senses motion.

it's a it's weird if you think about. your eyes doing that but that's one of. the roles that they play in your body. you see motion right sure you also have. the vestibular system which is centered. around your inner ear yep and that. definitely senses motion movement. acceleration gravity yeah uh and then. you have all the sensor the sensors in. like your muscles and joints and stuff. right yeah I didn't really think about. that as being one but for sure yeah like. your body actually feels it yeah well. think about it like if you if you feel. yourself kind.

of moving backward you're definitely. sensing it through your inner ear but. you can also feel it in your feet as. well and they're sending a a a a. bulletin to your brain saying Lean. Forward dummy you're going to fall back. what's your problem friend yeah that's. what it says so this dissonance occurs. when basically like let's say you're. sitting in a movie theater like an IMAX. mhm and uh it's a scene where you're. you're flying with Superman or something. like you're seeing this with your. eyeballs like a first person perspective.

shot of flight right but you're sitting. in your seat so your eyes are saying. you're flying MH and your butt's going. you're sitting here and your brain's. like a witch yeah pretty much. witchcraft uh so it creates this this it. creates motion sickness that's when the. uh nausea might kick in dizziness uh. those cold sweats salivation I like how. the um the author of The House of Works. article pointed out she specifically. mentioned an.

avatar yeah who is the dude um the the. guy who is like the friend on the Flight. of the. Concords Mary no the the other dude the. the guy who worked in the pawn oh yeah. yeah yeah oh man what is his name it's. not arge Barker is it arge Barker yes it. was I always want to call him BOS lurman. I know it's definitely not the same dude. great comedian arge Barker you mean I. went to go see him he did some standup. right and he was talking about Avatar. and he said when it first came up people. were like oh Avatar have you seen Avatar.

sear C you just thew people would pull. up alongside you in their car and roll. down the window and go. Avatar and this is I think a great. example of that well it's interesting I. posted an article on Facebook not too. long ago on the stuff you should know. page about this person wrote an article. about Avatar and their argument was that. it for such a huge movie it had like. zero cultural impact like it was big at.

the time but does anyone care now like. it's not like the Star Wars world or. Star Trek or all these things and I I. totally agreed I saw Avatar once and I. was like I'm done with it typical James. Cameron schlock I've seen it zero times. yeah it. sucks but dude there are Avatar people. though I know that piled on and were. like what does this guy have no idea. what he's talking about it's totally. relevant like oh I'm sure they're going. to be all over our Facebook page after. this episode comes out hey Chuck forever. now I like some of James Cameron stuff.

but if he wrote the script then. it's I'm not going to like it to no I. know what you mean I think he's a hack. writer yeah did I just say that to. hundreds of thousands of people yeah and. I'm sure James Cameron cares what you. think he's at the bottom of the Marana. trench right now he's not listening to. stuff you should know he's picking out. my future barrial site so um Chuck we. were talking about the sensory conflict. theory right yes that's one big.

explanation and it definitely kind of. makes sense right you your brain just. basically gets overloaded and it's like. oh I need to sit down I've got the. vapors right yeah I'm doing a lot of bad. impressions in this episode who supposed. to. be uh somebody fainting in the late 19th. century oh no it's great so was your. arch Barker fop that's what it was it. was a fop a Dandy fop MH there's another. competing idea and that is um we kind of. talked about.

um it's called sway Theory yeah and. there's a dude uh Thomas uh stfran or. stafen I'm going with the Jin what Jin J. stafen uh. university University of Minnesota. professor of. Kinesiology and listen to this he's the. director of its affordance perception. action laboratory nerd he gets motion. sickness looking through.

microscopes. um so he proposes the sway Theory um. which. basically has nothing to do with the. vestibular system he said he says that I. don't I don't necessarily agree with. that but okay agree that he thinks that. no I know that he thinks that I don't. agree with that his take on that I think. it's still tied together but his theory. is and this first part isn't a theory. it's true is that everyone sways like. unless you're one of those uh people. that stand like Motionless in the middle.

of New Orleans for money yeah stat. silver or something like that yeah. they're they're good at it but if you're. just a regular dope like you and I when. we stand there we're going to be moving. in a little bit Yeah you going be. swaying a little bit it's weird like if. you stop and like really pay attention. to it yeah you you notice it but you'll. never notice it unless you are focused. on it yeah you're always moving a little. bit Yeah swaying if you're standing up. you're swaying for the most part yes and. the point he makes is if everyone truly.

relaxed every muscle in their body. they'd fall over right so the whole. point the whole thing of swaying is it's. the byproduct of us standing upright. which is not something we've been doing. for all of the time we've been on Earth. because we evolve from things that. walked on four legs standing Up's kind. of new well sure and babies don't stand. up right they have to learn as well yeah. exactly so um sten's whole idea is that. MO sickness comes about when you have um.

when you're exposed to movement that. contradicts the natural um swaying that. you've learned to do to stand upright. right and it undermines it and your. brain goes and which makes sense in a. way because let's say you're on a boat. and the boat's tilting to the left and. so what your feet do or you know they. account for that and maybe you lean in. on the side of your foot and your toes. Flex right so you cuz you want to make.

yourself more upright again and then the. boat turns again in a direction you're. not expecting you're correcting for that. first move the second move happens and. your body doesn't know what to do so. here's the thing the the sensory. conflict one makes a little more sense. to me than this one because that sounds. to me like if that if that were the case. if that's what's going on and it clearly. is like when it's when you get your SE. legs or whatever yeah um you you you.

moving along you're trying to stay. standing under these weird conditions. why would that translate into something. like dizziness or nausea or vomiting or. cold sweats that doesn't make sense to. me sensory conflict I can see. translating into it but even beyond that. a lot of people are like no that doesn't. still it doesn't make sense why you. would vomit and this one guy named um. Michael treesan in 1977 came up with a. pretty awesome explanation for why we. should get nauseated when we get motion. sick right well yeah should we take a.

break and talk about that oh. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music]. sure all right right Josh Michael tesman. 1977 in the journal science what did he.

say oh he said that we get nauseated. from motion sickness because over there. are some toxins out there that can mess. with our vestibular system right yes so. the body is tricked into thinking that. it's possibly been exposed to some sort. of toxin because the vestibular the. vestibular system is out of whack from. motion sickness so it gets nauseated and. ultimately might vomit as a a reflex to.

get rid of whatever toxin it thinks has. been ingested yeah it's basically a case. of mistaken identity I think it it. explains it perfectly yeah it makes. sense to me I could see a little bit. Yeah I think what um what stafrin is. saying is that you're you're used to. regaining your balance you spend your. entire life learning this system right. and that if it's thrown. off what he doesn't do is connect it I. believe I believe you're right right he. doesn't connect it in the end to like.

something that happens in your brain. right the the why the physiological. reaction yeah agreed yeah he does have. some pretty good evidence backing his. idea of sway Theory up though um so. again women are more susceptible to um. to uh motion sickness than men right yes. that's what they say well he says aha. well soy Theory explains this um kids. are equally susceptible to both genders. are equ susceptible to motion sickness. before puberty but then after puberty.

the bodies change and where um women and. men hold most of their weight is. different right women hold it mostly. around their hips men hold it more. around their chest and that means that. the center of gravity is different which. means the amount that we sway is. different right yeah I think uh what who. does he say sways women sway farther but. slower but slower than men sway faster. but within a tighter area right and and.

these are micro sways yeah I mean I. think the a like most people move no. more than like an inch to Any Given side. yeah and even then you're like Barney on. The Simpsons when he walked out for that. like Bachelor um auction yeah uh then. there's also land sickness which is. interesting yeah I didn't look too much. into it but I have heard of it which is. basically the concept that if you're a a. sailor right you've gotten or you know. just somebody who's been on boats enough.

you don't have to be a professional um. you get your sea legs so well that you. get land sickness yeah when you get back. yeah and you're on Solid Ground and. you're like I don't know what to do. right cuz you're your brain's so used to. things moving that it perceives that. it's moving even though it's not do you. want to say the French name for it mild. barkmont let me look I wasn't even. looking that was out of forgot the. middle part well then you say it there's.

a QE in the middle so maybe Mal dearin I. said Mal deamon Mal the baron. Baron yeah bar barbeq mon I love that. when we do this stuff there's is. probably literally 50% people laughing. and 50% people want to kill us yeah you. know yeah a lot of people want to kill. us I can live with that as long as they. never do all right so um. should we go over some uh some things.

that you can do to prevent it because I. mean that that whole segment on what. explains motion sickness kind of petered. out but that's the state of science. right now yeah although they I will say. they have looked at the uh 23 and me. um for the genetic side and have found. some support for both claims I think. that they're together I do too like I. think if yes your your swaying system is. set up in a certain C way and why can't. that be a component that along with the.

vestibular system and your sight and all. that um is affected and creates motion. sickness I I just don't understand why. it has to be one or the other that was. the impression that I had he was trying. to really come get across is that it's. no it's its own thing yeah yeah I just. think that's weird so what do you what. do you go to if you get motion sick well. they say to keep your eyes on the. horizon whether you're in a car or a. boat or whatever mhm uh that that'll. help. cuts down on uh motion right or the.

sensation of motion I'm not sure I think. so because think about it when you look. at stuff that's close to the car it's. blurring by it's going so fast The. Horizon's staying you know constant look. at you um keep your head still so you. can lay down if you're able to somewhere. um or at least put your head back. against the seat yeah just sort of keep. it as still as possible don't smoke sure. they say could advice all around yeah. exactly um if you're going to fly they.

say to avoid big greasy meals and. alcohol the night before and eat light. meals or snacks low in. calories uh the day of but yeah you do. want to have something in your stomach. though because that's just going to help. empty stomach no good right uh turn that. air vent whether you're in your car or a. plane or a boat you need want some fresh. air blowing on your face ideally release. recycled air uh I haven't felt this bad. since that an need a Bryant concert. uh sit in the front of the airplane or.

over a wing supposedly yeah the rear of. the airplane can you tell the difference. oh man really you just get whipped. around back and for it's way worse if. you get motion sick you should never sit. behind the the um wings of the airplane. see I love the last car of a roller. coaster though well yeah you're feeling. it more yeah you're enjoying it more you. don't get motion sick um what else avoid. salty foods uh before you travel there's. also remedies too right so the JW's out.

on whether Ginger actually helps or not. or if it's just a placebo effect Ginger. peppermint and black Horehound uhhuh. apparently are some of the herbs that. may or may not work who knows um I can. tell you firsthand and I looked it up C. bands acupressure bracelets yeah that go. on your wrist three fingers width down. from the heel of your palm the. pericardium six so is the acupun your. point I saw research that showed that um.

neither Placebo nor acupressure bands. had any effect on motion sickness I can. tell you that even if it is just Placebo. they still work oh yeah firsthand they. work all right even if it's Placebo I. don't care that's fine as long as it. keeps me from being motion sick yeah. yeah it kept me and Yi from being motion. sick on an entire cruise but would you. have been motion sick without it yeah. because we had we didn't use use it for. one day and we felt it immediately. gotcha yeah um I brought one on my only.

cruise that I went to and uh I don't. think I wore it cuz I didn't need to we. had like divots on our wrists because we. just had them on like the whole time. yeah you should bring it just in case. yeah sure we also had Scopolamine yeah. and we didn't even use it cuz the C. bands work so well Dramamine is that the. same thing or is that different. Scopolamine is that stuff that like they. um drug people with and then uh it's. like remember in our truth serum episode. we talked about scop lamine oh yeah it's.

like a drug in South America where. they'll they'll dose you with it and. then you end up like just basically. becoming zombified and don't remember. anything yeah it's the same stuff but it. dos the um messages from your inner ear. to your brain so your sensation of. motion is decreased nice uh Homeopathy. there haven't been a ton of studies. about the effect uh effectiveness of. specific remedies but uh they do say. things like borax. culus uh.

petroleum seia tabacum dude so we're. going to hear from so many people just. for having even uttered the word. Homeopathy ises that how you say it. Homeopathy no it goes both ways okay um. yeah I know I mean man nothing drives. people more crazy than that I know. they're going to go berserked mark my. words because it's not you know. well well I said that it that take it or. leave it basically yeah. some people swear by it yeah I mean some.

people think it's uh to from what I have. ever seen it's like the biggest flash. point like of anything of anything that. Skeptics talk about nothing drives them. crazier than than Homeopathy yeah yeah. like makes them nuts it's kind of funny. to watch it does because then you people. say you shouldn't even say Western. versus Eastern medicine you should say. proven science versus like witchcraft. who did the people say say that on. Facebook yeah they get really like you.

shouldn't even say w don't even say it I. said you can't say it don't even say it. Josh um what else yeah I'm making fun of. you mind body medicine uh biof feedback. training and relaxation they did a study. of 55 Pilots um who had to stop Flying. due to motion sickness which by the way. I didn't know that like that frightens. me just knowing that that a pil can get. motion sick but think about it for the. pilot it's like career ending oh I'm.

sure you know um 76% of them got over. their motion sickness and were able to. return to work after bio feedback. training and relaxation programs so. basically they sit in that til a whirl. bring it on and then bio feedback. instruments record uh temperature muscle. tension and they use relaxation. techniques uh and mental imagery in the. chair and over time it's sort of like. cognitive behavioral therapy which is. another thing that they use uh which is. like you know get in the chair right and.

do it. until it doesn't affect you any longer. exposure therapy right yeah um there's. this guy named Sam Puma who's a. physician and Aeronautics engineer I. think maybe at the very least he's. worked in the Aerospace industry for a. really long time and he has come up with. some habituation exercises where. basically you kind of mildly expose your. body to the kind of movements it's going. to expect on like a space shuttle or. whatever uhhuh ahead of your trip and. you can he says you can be prepared and.

not have any motion sickness in as as. little as a week huh yeah and I guess it. checks out yeah because uh it sounds. like you know come on what's this guy. selling me right but then the Atlantic. author she said you know no apparently. it's a real thing yeah uh and then. another good tip that I saw was uh if. you're in a car and you're not driving. pretend like you're driving you might. feel silly but you know pretend like. you're driving maybe even do your hands. and anticipate the curbs and things yeah.

maybe give them a little horn a little. imaginary horn. once uh yeah the the reason why the best. seat in a car is the driver is because. you can anticipate the movements the car. is going to make yeah which supports. sway theory if you think about it true. because you can counteract it do you. ever have one of those passengers in. your car that hits the fake Brak MH cuz. they're nervous sure it's like a just an. involuntary reaction and you see them. stomp their foot on the floorboard right. it's pretty funny I have one friend in.

particular that does that oh yeah. yeah uh let's see I guess that's it. right I got nothing else um if you want. to learn more about motion sickness you. can type those words in the search bar. house storks.com and since I said search. bar it's time for listener. [Music]. mail uh I'm going to call this. uh Bonsai tutu hey guys love the show. I'm a tutu. maker who knew but you know somebody.

makes them sure they don't just grow on. trees not anymore I'm a tutu maker and. work alone in my studio a lot making. tutos you guys are my company and thank. you for that also have a Bachelor of. Science in ornamental horiculture so. listening to the uh Bonsai episode. reminded me of an experience I had with. the Bonsai master in a class I had in. college uh the professor had covered the. art of bonsai leading up to this man's. visit he covered the art meticulous. decisions made in the shaping of the.

tree Etc the day came when the master. was there to speak with us we came into. class and all of his amazing work was. displayed around the classroom it was. really beautiful everyone sort of spoke. about it in hush tones very reverent to. each other finally the master who was a. rather tiny Japanese man was ready to. demonstrate the technique for us he. unpotted the plant in front of him spoke. about the shape and what he felt would. be the best way to train it and after. this he pulled out a club the size of a. baseball bat and beat the crap out of. the root ball explaining the need to.

control the plant and no one knew. exactly how to. react I had not thought about that for a. really long time and I listened to the. show chuckling the whole time because of. it I thought you might appreciate the. story that is from Nancy Gallagher the. tutu maker well thanks a lot Nancy U. maybe he was just trying to get the Dirt. away from the roots I don't know or. maybe it was he was just messing with. him a bad. Bonsai Mr Miyagi would never do that no. I worked with Pat Marita did I mention. that on the show no was it he did a.

music video um that I worked on a k kid. spoof oh oh yeah Alien Ant Farm uhhuh. and uh I worked with him and he was. super nice and it was just a couple. years before he died he's dead oh yeah. oh that's a shame yeah he liked the. white. wine oh yeah I think you told me the. story before it sounds familiar I had to. go fetch him some Chardonnay at like. noon. I was like you know what if I was Pat. Marita on the set of a music video sure.

I'd be like I'd have a PA fetch me some. Chardon a too. M yeah remember he played Al the. replacement Al arold on Happy Days. Arnold Al was the name of the actor yeah. he's from. California P Marina what does that have. to do with it nothing oh that was an. additional fact yeah just I mean some. people might see the Karate Kid and only. know that and think he's from Japan. right but he was putting on that accent. oh yeah yeah he's a California dude. totally like laidback kind of oh yeah.

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