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how D everybody it's January 7th 2016. what no it's not but in my world it is. it's actually 2024 but we're going to go. back in time to January 2016 to listen. to the episode on body language and I. said it like that because for some. reason it has an exclamation point at. the end so please enjoy body language.

welcome to stuff you should know a. production of iHeart. [Music]. Radio hey and welcome to the podcast I'm. Josh Clark there's Charles W Chuck. Bryant Jerry's in the house we're Back. to Basics huh yeah we're doing a social. sciences episode oh man I mean we're all. right man we get to tear it. apart you uh you believe in body. language sure watch this you're winking.

and shouldering and nodding your head. and you're loosening up and you're doing. some weird biting thing what did I say. uh you said I'm feeling. silly that's exactly what I was saying. how about that yeah it said I've had a. Diet Mountain Dew and I'm ped up oh okay. that's what I was saying I missed the uh. now I'm. crashing and he's down uh you doing good. yeah I'm hanging on by thread are you. sure we can make it through this man you.

you can do this in your sleep okay don't. go to sleep okay it'll be so boring you. could theoretically do this in your. sleep yeah okay I got you yeah um so. body language it is a thing I when I was. researching I was like this is junk. science there's no way this is real and. I could not find anything that just said. like yes body language is obviously junk. science apparently it's very well. established and well reputed I mean I. understand like like yes there is such a. thing as body language it's rooted in.

the in evolution it's basically evidence. of evolution from an animalian ancestor. yeah but the idea that like you can read. somebody especially like that facial. coding system it just struck me as. really like junky yeah well we did um I. could have sworn we had done this one. when I micro Expressions yeah we did. that in I think 2009 and I don't. remember how I weighed in on it back. then so I'm just going to start a new. yes it may it may be a different take I. have no idea people grow and change.

their opinions evolve you know well. here's what I think of course body. language is real and it can tell you A. lot can tell you a lot uh but it can. also Mis you can be misdirected very. easily sure and uh I mean we'll get to. it but I found some stuff from a former. FBI guy. even uh it doesn't say it's junk science. but he's like you can fool somebody too. if you're a sociopath you know this. about body language and micro.

Expressions yeah yeah apparently it's a. myth that uh that's how I get by. apparently it's a myth that uh ion or uh. not having eye contact means deception. um while it can his whole point is. they've done studies over the years and. habitual Liars uh and anti-socials and. Psychopaths uh have the most eye contact. apparently probably because there's that. myth yeah exactly so it's like a. self-fulfilling myth yeah Ted Bundy was. probably like I got to make great eye.

cont with everyone Soul otherwise The. Jig will be up right and I won't get to. kill people any longer my favorite thing. right and then uh so yeah there's a lot. of myth there's that there's that one. myth also where like you look up into. the right or up into the left if you're. lying or recalling yeah remember I can't. remember we we debunked that in. something here there a while back yeah I. think I think body language is fun to. talk about and study but when you're. convicting someone as a jury.

based on micro Expressions yes there's. where the junk science comes in for me. it gets a little dangerous and not just. with body language too we need to do a. whole episode on forensics in general. and just how junky the science that most. of it is based on it's basically the. only thing that's that's left standing. is DNA and even that can be wildly. misinterpreted yeah and we're using this. to like execute people yeah and there. there's a big problem with it so I think. we've arrived at my problem with it it's. junk sence when you apply it for like.

laww enforcement yeah as fact yeah. agreed okay so uh can we be. done this is the other thing that got me. too um Albert uh. mobian I totally na that guy's name I. bet the H is silent morian morian I bet. it's just morian not. merian anyway uh Dr Marian he uh back in. 1981.

said that in the first 4 minutes of. meeting someone our facial expressions. account for 65% of the impression we. make 7% of that impression comes from. our actual words while the remainder of. the information comes from our tone of. voice yeah he that I think is what made. me think like no this is all Bs yeah. because it sounds who can who can say. that you can't maybe in 1981 you could. get away with that crap not in 2015 no. 16 yeah you lived in the past uh yeah. araban was uh he he was probably one of.

the first researchers uh to study this. in the 1940s out of. UCLA and um I agree you can't just break. down percentages I think what he really. means to say if I may speak for him yes. is facial expressions and tone of voice. account for a lot of a lot of what. you're getting out of a person and I. don't think anyone would disagree with. that and words account maybe for even. less than those two things combined I. think people would agree with that too I. think it's when you quantify it 7% he.

just said that just cuz it sounds. authoritative yeah he like he fed it. into the uh percentage three maker 3,000. and and it spit it out yeah uh but that. is not to miss the point that uh. communicating. um inadvertently is something that we. all do through body language sure yeah. there was a there's a great quote I ran. across on a psychology today post um it. was it the quote comes from a 16th.

century Scottish mathematician named. John Napier and he said if language was. given to men to conceal there oh you. found it too huh it's about as good a. quote of of body language as you can. come up with you do it Chuck no you you. were already you do better 16th century. Scottish mathematicians no way I'm not. do Sean connory reading. this man if language was given to men to. conceal their thoughts then gesture's. purpose was to disclose them that's. perfect not bad that was a dead on John.

Napier it's not as good as my crystal. fault yeah so Napier makes a pretty good. point like yeah you can language has all. sorts of structure and can be mastered. body language is much of it is is just. inadvertent and we don't even realize. necessarily when you're picking up on it. you just get this weird gut feeling that. uh no I don't trust this car salesman or. I want to give this car salesman all my. money depending on the body language.

yeah and um it's pretty clear that this. started a long time ago like it predates. language right um because who wrote this. by the way this is a Patrick Kyer joint. oh Kyer yeah uh Kyer says um rightfully. that in Tuk Tuck's age you didn't have a. lot of time to sus things out right like. uh up close and personal you know once. you got close enough within Striking. Distance you could be stricken yeah you. might already have that club upside your. head right or that rock in your face.

yeah so you needed to judge someone's. body language as they approach you to. survive yes you know so so body language. makes sense and you would also. presuppose that since we are descended. from animals and animals clearly do. engage in body language yeah um that. body language would be older than. language although this this article says. that language didn't exist until about. 100,000 years ago that's under dispute.

now really possibly as much as a million. years ago people were using some sort of. verbal communication oh wow yeah in the. Andals apparently also had language. probably interesting it is pretty. interesting I'd like to do one on um. animal communication have we not I think. we touched on it here and there but I. know there's a lot of uh things like. cats purring and Tails wagging on dogs. that are misinterpreted yeah um or like. a wolf growling I think that means come. pet me.

right you know it's often misinterpreted. as a warning come take this steak out of. my mouth if you dare uh should we take a. break sure all right let's take a quick. one and uh we're going to get back and. explain a little bit more about uh what. one researcher calls thin slices of. experience. [Music].

so Joshua said something about thin. slices of experience and I'm not talking. about the uh the roast beef line at the. buffet which is great thin slices where. those The Carving Station yeah yeah you. ever work at Carving Station have I ever. worked one yeah I've hung around one. long enough that I basically should have. been paid but I was just eating what do. you wait for the next uh roast to come. out so you can get the end cut I know.

I've never been into end Cuts whether it. be a loaf of bread or a cut of meat oh. really like a prime rib end cut yeah no. Oh Daddy that's good isn't it all salt. maybe that's why I love it you like the. salt huh oh yeah South to me it's like. the the closer you get to the middle the. juicier it I like lower cooked you know. and a little uh little rarer in the. middle obviously yeah so I think that's. my problem with the end of anything it's. undercooked you know I have a about uh.

why people don't like to eat the crust. why it's cuz it's called crust and that. might be part of it if like a hundred. years ago they named it like the the the. butterfly yeah the butterfly slice yeah. people would have been like fighting for. it yeah like the butterfly slice is. delicious yeah have you ever heard. George Carlin's little take on that end. slice that everybody always goes past. they're like I'm not going to eat that. that's the poison piece of bread I I'll. leave that for my family to eat. wait I guess the N piece isn't called.

the crust though is it the crust is. what's around but it's all crust that's. the problem with it oh okay you know. what I mean it's nothing but crust yeah. not but crust it's nothing but crust I. think the other weird man this is a j. you're so juen this is a strange. tangent um I think the other problem. with the bread in pieces is that eating. one in piece with a regular slice is a. little weird oh it's yeah but getting. that other slice off the tail blend is.

not very feasible or efficient no to. make two crust pieces no but that. frequently is the last sandwich that's. made out of the loaf because that one. end piece has been hanging around and. then it finally works it way to its mate. yeah and then you stick some turkey in. it and weep quietly while you eat your. terrible Sandwich. Man thin slices where were we experience. yes this is a professor uh of psychology. name uh Nina.

and and baddy H from tus University. shout out to my buddy Robert chah from. high school okay he works at toughs oh. speaking of you know there's a kid with. like a really huge hit single out right. now from your high school really I think. your high school's shown in the music. video it's um Watch Me Whip watch me na. n NE it's Redan yeah weird yeah Cilento. so I'm no longer the most famous person. from my high school were until about 6.

months ago and I will be again in. another six months maybe it's a pretty. pretty catchy single it's a hot hot hot. track no we actually we had several. professional athletes that are much more. popular than me who uh we had a. professional. punter actually you told me that before. yeah we have we've had a few there's a. baseball player uh we had a punter. Travis trit went to my high school Shut. up really no see that's big time yeah. Travis TR is Big yeah I don't have any.

like. Superstars Luke Bryan went to yumi's. high school man you guys where'd you go. Beverly Hills 90210 y with Shen and. d uh oh boy here we go again thin slices. from tus University well let's let's. talk about the thin slices thing man um. the you said earlier that it would be. very advantageous evolutionarily. speaking to be able to read maybe the.

rough intentions of some other hunter. gatherer yeah a 100 thousand years ago. read the room like from a distance. before they could hit you with a rock. right if that was their intent sure well. just as much you want to be able to like. walk through the world and be threatened. by stuff and to make snap judgments. about it based on things like body. language yeah same thing and this this. is what the thin slices has to do with. yeah they're just those first few. seconds when you meet somebody and uh I. mean some people may just call it a gut.

instinct about somebody but what you're. probably doing is reading body language. right that's what that gut instinct is. yes and those things are processed and. generated in I think the lyic system. where emotions and feelings are. processed in the brain yeah lyic system. from what I understand that's right. which um she thinks and I agree with her. that might explain why we have such uh. such like a powerful gut instinct about. some people when we first meet them. because it's tied to emotion yeah and. the whole point is is uh this guy will.

cut your throat if you turn your back on. him right probably not but in our modern. context it's you know this guy. will inflate the price of the car you. want to buy right if you if you're not. careful yeah it's it's the totally. different things but it's based on the. same principle it's all based on body. language and we're able to make snap. judgments that we can't even stop and. really analyze what it was that person. did or what it was about we just know we.

TR or we comfortable around not we fear. them or we don't based on this body. language and what um this professor is. saying is we have a very ancient part of. our brain that that is responsible for. processing this stuff yeah and I think. um just for me personally I think if you. try to focus on that too much then. you're not doing yourselves any favors. like Let It Be inate Well yeah there's. some people who coach this kind of stuff. yeah that. apparently say.

no do all sorts of crazy weird stuff. which we'll talk about later yeah agreed. uh but what you're looking at um are. that there's three different categories. I guess um innate learned and some that. are both hybrid uh expressions and. postures and things that you do and like. for instance you're born with like you. can blush that's an innate thing you you. blush you don't mean to blush especially. when somebody's staring at your cheek. yeah I don't think you can make yourself. blush watch this.

so just think about hot things in your. mouth just tighten up your core uh so. that's the innate side learned would be. things like um hanging someone a. bird yeah out the car window right uh. because everyone knows what that means. depending on where you are and you've. learned it yeah that's not something. you're born doing like yeah I got your. diaper right here come change it Al a. photo of a baby accidentally shooting a. bird is one of the great things can we.

agree but it's accidental there's no. meaning attached to it that's what you. think um and then there's hybrid hybrid. gestures that are like um shrugging is a. really good example it's something you. you naturally shrug right right but it's. it's not contextual until you learn what. to attach attach it to like I don't know. yeah sure you're not born being like. right or you or you you cry but you've. also learned that crying can. uh get you something maybe like cry to.

get out of a a traffic ticket or. something sure or to gain sympathy it. can chase your parents off to the bar. crying yeah yeah one of those U and then. Chuck I said something uh about how you. know flipping somebody a bird everybody. knows what that means it does depend on. where you are sure because there is. especially with learned so I think. innate body language is virtually. Universal stuff that you couldn't. possibly control like uh a can't. remember why I read it but if you take a.

bite of something putrid mhm and you. make that horrible like disgusted face. like oh my God I'm about to vomit. everywhere right everybody who's. watching you doesn't have to go give me. that and then take a bite and taste it. themselves right they can look at your. face and be like I'm not going anywhere. near that piece of feces that guy just. took a bite of yeah or the uh that's how. we all learn not to eat feces yeah but. there's also the human thing where. you're like oh God smell this right. that's the person who wants everyone El. else to to suffer like they just did but.

everybody else has just been. communicated to by that innate face that. nasty face that you would make when you. eat something disgusting and again that. evolutionarily that that protects Us in. that respect inate stuff so that's. Universal sure but it's the learn stuff. that's culturally dependent yeah like. for instance uh they have a few examples. in the article um uh smiling in the US. might mean and the United States might. mean you're happy apparently in Asia it. might say I agree with you those are.

pretty close it could also cover up uh. embarrassment if they're embarrassed for. you or something they you might smile um. yeah is that why everyone's always. smiling at me they're embarrassed for me. uh what else I contact varies from place. to place yeah uh here in the United. States someone might think you're. listening and uh like very keyed into. what you're saying are you Ted Bundy or. you're Ted Bundy or if you're in Africa. maybe it might be disrespectful to look. so right in the eye yeah and I looked.

around to find out what part of Africa. cuz I hate to leave it like that you. know yeah on this massive continent. right do not look people in the eyes I. couldn't find any everyone said some. parts of Africa everywhere I looked no. one specifically said in the Congo it's. um considered uh impolite or aggressive. or something like that to to maintain. eye contact it's definitely in in um. Japan yeah if you make eye contact with. somebody you are saying I'm your. Superior so if you are socially or say.

business-wise an inferior to somebody. you're you're averting your gaze and. it's respectful in the US you shake. hands and you make eye contact and you. just you know climb to wrong right there. unless you're Prince and then you like. nobody can hide eye contact with me is. that for real cuz he likes to do things. that just mess with people for fun I I. think I think 90% of the stories you've. heard about Prince are not true what. about the him playing basketball he's. like a really good basketball player. though says Charlie Murphy. well I believe in everything Charlie.

Murphy says there I found some more. culturally bound stuff what else thumbs. up and New Zealand does not mean like. right on does that mean a like thumb up. your butt pretty much really yeah you. don't want to do that um similarly when. you make like the peace sign as long as. you're not showing the people the back. of your hand sure that's yeah and in in. Australia and I believe New Zealand too. like that movie bad taste the cover of. it theet I think Peter Jackson's first.

or second movie oh right the cover of it. it's like an alien going like that and. I'm like What's He what's two yeah why. is he showing me the number two then as. I grew up I learned to understand what. that was what else you got uh In some. cultures nodding means no like nodding. Yes actually means no like in Greece and. Bulgaria oh wow that could get you in. trouble yeah and in. Mexico Mexico this is what I found. Mexico Haiti and Spain it is perfectly. normal to go to a waiter which I do I.

don't do it to waiters but I'm a kind of. person oh really that's how you call. someone over get their attention you may. also make kissing noises at them to a. waiter. yeah really yeah so I go to Mexico I. need my check and I go I guess according. to this thing that I read which seemed. pretty legitimate interesting yeah what. was the website I don't remember I I'll. I'll definitely send it to you to post. but it it's um it was like a it was.

researched material to be used by. business people around the world okay if. it was a hoax then they did a pretty. good job fooling me gotcha all right. well let's take another break and we'll. come back and we'll talk about uh. deciphering some of these non-verbal. cues right after this. [Music].

all right so language uh is a very. precise thing or it should be or can be. um body language would you would think. is just all over the map but they're. actually uh some categories that some. brilliant social scientists have come up. with yeah and I think they make sense. yeah basically they've broken it down. into five categories or five types of. non-verbal communic. body language yeah um there's emblems.

it's like hanging a bird yeah or shaking. your fist or something like that. something that that um is very symbolic. of something else that you can also put. into words right who shakes a fist at. someone some people do okay it's a good. it's a it's a good yeah yeah it's say. Throw That middle finger and then you're. that's that's very aggressive okay. that's very aggressive I'm just kidding. I never flick someone a bird oh really.

oh yeah like in a car or something no. way yeah apparently it's really. dangerous yeah and that's yeah that's. why I do it I think it's just I mean. I'll get mad and say things but I would. never I don't know who that person is. yeah could be a psycho yeah then you're. getting chased or you're getting shot at. by someone cuz you like you just had to. shoot a bird yeah we talked about this. in the road rage episode yeah I wouldn't. hang people the bird that's not smart by. the way I want to update on that i' I've. been improving more more behaviorally oh.

yeah even since the road rage episode. and I was already on the right path. then so you're doing good behind the. wheels doing so good I feel like I'm. about the same well you've always been. that way no but I get mad one time you. rode with me I think it was the first. time you ever rode with me and I started. yelling at somebody you're like uh. really you seem genuinely surprised and. I remember thinking like this. [Laughter]. abnormal uh well that was probably cuz. you are like sending an email with your.

left hand and driving with your knee and. had a coffee in the other I've gotten so. much better it's good it's CU you value. your life I do it's. great um emblems after emblems uh. illustrators which um like shaking your. head to as far as emphasis if to. emphasize something you're saying right. like uh like no sure it's you can just. say no but the person's like he doesn't. really mean that until you shake your. head.

slowly you're really saying like do not. ask me again yeah boy I never thought. about that the slow one really does mean. something different it does it adds it. bulks it up you know um. Regulators uh I think this is in a. conversation to let someone else know. that maybe all right it's time for you. to talk now or it's time for me to talk. right or it's time for us to stop. talking like looking at your watch just. getting up and walking away that's yeah. that's body language yeah I guess it is.

it definitely speaks volumes um there's. adapters which uh I guess have to do. with the person listening or I guess. anybody either one uh making themselves. more comfortable like you know when. you're in a conversation with somebody. and they just kind of shift in their. seat like settle in yeah now they could. be doing it differently where they're. fidgeting they're shifting in their seat. uncomfortably like they can't get. comfortable that says something totally. different than somebody who's just like. settling in just making themselves more.

comfortable right or I guess if you like. if you're having a conversation and. someone just sits up on the edge of. their seat that kind of says we're done. here sure like I'm about to get up yeah. so please say something in closure yeah. especially if you sigh while you do that. too you know yeah and then there's. affect displays and these are the ones. that most people think of when they. think of body language these are the. ones that um you know like where you. make that that face when you eat. something putrid or your shoulders go up. around your ears when you're scared all.

of a sudden yeah if you're mad it's. emotional based yeah emotion based. emotion yeah like your your eyebrows. Furrow right uh there's just so much. body language I came across this one guy. from 1978 an MR ARG no idea what the m. stands for but in 1978 Professor M. Argyle a researcher of body language. said that there's probably something. like. 700,000 words in the body language human. body language. I have no idea how he or she came up.

with that that seems high but it's fun. to throw out there junk science. 1978 yeah you could say anything back. then as as far as like social psychology. yeah um misinterpreting body languages. uh we talked a little bit about that. that is very easy to do um they have one. uh little anecdotal story about a woman. who was a consultant that I think she. was pitching the CEO of a big company. mhm and um the guy just sat there.

basically with his arms crossed and. didn't emote and at the end was just. like thank you and she thought well I've. blown this one and turns out that is. just the way that guy is he Lov jerk I. know he loved the presentation and uh if. he hadn't liked it he just would have. left is what uh the uh partner said I. think yeah so you can easily. misinterpret body language. [Music]. um I don't know if it's I guess it could. be dangerous and that well I mean that's. part of the problem it can be dangerous. especially when you apply it to law.

enforcement like um Paul emman we talked. about him heavily in the micro. Expressions episode because he basically. studied micro Expressions through facial. movement facial muscle movement and. figured out what each one meant and he. came up with the um facial action coding. system the FACS which apparently the FBI. and other law enforcement agencies use. to tell whether you're lying or you're. hiding something in an interrogation. misreading that that's dangerous that's.

when it becomes dangerous for sure yeah. this uh dude I was talking about Joe. Navaro who was a 25 year vet of the FBI. yeah he's written a lot about body. language right and he's one of the ones. that warns about the myths and and. misreading things but um his uh he wrote. a whole article on shoulders and he said. everyone's always talking about the face. and facial expressions he thinks you can. read a lot into the shoulders of a. person yeah whether it's slumping or. bowing up or. uh and then he actually talked to.

criminals over his entire career and. said what do you look for in a victim so. if you're looking to not be victimized. you might want to avoid these things. okay uh looking frail or weak or not. athletic yeah work out yeah or just you. know try and carry yourself like you're. not frail or weak MH you know and I. think that's a lot to do with the. shoulders um situational awareness which. is a big one yeah if you just look like. you're have your head in the clouds. that's one for me be a Target yeah what.

you're in your head about something sure. yeah uh and then um the way someone. swings their. arms um like Vigor vigorously or real. subdued or not at all like on that one. episode. of yeah that was who was that rockel. Welch no it was um well yeah ended up as. rockel Welch but it was Molly Shannon oh. yeah yeah yeah she remember she like. swept like death just clean yeah I love.

Molly Shannon she's one of my favorites. yeah she's fantastic um so what was yeah. the arm swing and basically uh what. these criminals would say to him over. and over is you know they're silver. backs don't go after other silver backs. they go after the weak ones and they. said it's the same with criminals so. like keep those shoulders straight and. uh I was like what's the silver back I. forgot this sounds like a criminal. corporate Buzz speak yeah you know. Silverbacks that's the local soccer team.

how do you not know what that is is it. sure that's what I thought yeah all uh. what else we got oh these uh these. people that try and Coach you we were. going to mention them yeah nut jobs I. don't think they're nut jobs dude okay. the one the one person who emerged as a. hero from this article says be very. careful in trying to pay attention to. your body language and speak consciously. through it because you're going to it. you're going to have massive problems.

yeah that's not what body language is. intended for so the people who say no. master your body language and use it to. communicate you're going to come off as. a creep right an aggressive weirdo. corporate creep if you do that well yeah. I mean if you're making a presentation. it's hard enough to get the words right. yeah so if you start thinking like about. every single movement you make and what. that conveys I don't I agree I don't. think you're doing yourself any favors. or like if you go to again A Car Sales a.

car lot right yeah and you're like I'm. going to make sure I look very defensive. and aggressive so I'm going to go rigid. and my shoulders are going to go up. right the car s is going to be like that. that guy's walking like a robot I'm. going to take him for a ride you know. there's you you just you could. conceivably speak through your body. language more I don't dispute that right. you can become more aware of your. natural body language too I don't. dispute that either but when you focus. on it and use it as a technique to.

manipulate other people I have issues. with that well here was one idea didn't. think was terrible like if you're if you. do a lot of public speaking then um. maybe watching yourself with the sound. off sure I didn't disagree with that one. either that's not a terrible idea I. think as a matter of fact I was like. maybe maybe I should try that no don't. do that uh the other technique um that. was brought up was called mirroring that. means and this just sounds crazy to me. this is when you actually try and mimic. the person you're talking to mimic their.

body language and expressions to I guess. to make them feel more comfortable to. you people are attracted to themselves. as the basis of it oh okay so when you. uh mimic them they feel more relaxed. around you like I really like that. person I like the cut of their jib I. don't I can't put my finger on it but. they're actually mimicking your own body. language if you're leaning leaning. against the wall right they they're. going to lean against the wall too. that's disconcerting it is that's that's. nuts you shouldn't do that to people. that's manipulative and weird and it.

just be yourself how about that yeah I. think this quote sums it up I'm trying. to learn I'm try sorry trying to use. Body Language by reading a body language. dictionary is like trying to speak. French by reading a French dictionary. see you can list off all the non-verbal. cues in the world but if you try and. learn the body language quote un quote. because of that then you're just gonna. end up confused or you're gonna miss. something they actually said. yeah and plus also context is huge too.

like if you're just watching somebody's. body language like a hawk in a. conversation yeah you don't necessarily. know that person's Baseline so what is. by definition in this body language. dictionary a red flag right doesn't. necessarily mean it's a red flag with. that person you know like if they're. yawning are they bored right or are they. nervous right you got to have context. and you can't just you can't just read. people like that it's stupid go with. your gut sure um but I don't think you. should actively try to read it if you.

want to go ahead I don't care yeah I'm. not going to I did read an article with. one um uh woman who uh was an expert. supposedly and she did talk a lot about. the Baseline she's like that's the most. important thing because you don't know. you got to know how someone normally is. are they Twitchy yeah then uh if you're. they're twitching the conversation. that's normal for them right so I it. doesn't mean that you can't trust what. they're saying right then it just means. that they're a little awkward yeah like. me you're not. awkward you got anything else nope.

friends that is body language and if you. want to know more about it you can type. these words body language into the. search bar at house upworks.com and. since I said friends it's time for. listener. mail uh this is from this is a question. actually I said we'd answer on the air. uh Hey guys been listening for quite a. few years and you've seen me through a. lot of years of growth out of high. school and into my own as an adult uh of. a question that's been a challenge for. me recently I'm studying.

permaculture uh quite intensively and. parts of the study are pretty depressing. like climate change species lost and. unfair trade uh I try to reflect. positives only to my clients who are. trying to grow their own food because. I'd rather encourage them to sustain. themselves physically and emotionally. than feel guilted or trapped into. changing a lifestyle I realize that. having the opportunity and time to focus. on ethical choices it's a luxury and. want to avoid shaming people uh I think. this approach which uh is good for my. own well-being because tackling issues.

bigger than myself seems more harmful. than productive but like you part of my. job uh is education um so the question. is how do you guys deal with darker. topics that you cover I really. appreciate the way you do it some uh and. I would like some insight and advice how. you prevent these topics from weighing. too heavily on you and still live a life. of enjoyment uh yet conveying topics uh. honestly and that is from Anna Le in. Australia nice. um I think my answer is like when we.

cover something like uh Dementia or HIV. like we recently did MH we're always. going to have humor in there. respectfully and in the right ways. because that's what we do plus also that. helps when we're getting this stuff. across it's not. like it's not like we're causing. dementia we're just saying like here's. all the information that that we found. on this here's everything you need to. know about dementia and I think the. thing that that allows us to go from you.

know a light-hearted topic to a very. dark topic to whatever is is that we're. we're putting it out there as. objectively as possible or as unbiased. as possible trying to we're not passing. much judgment on it depending on the. topic but for the most part we don't. really pass too much judgment on it and. I think that that allows us to to talk. about anything yeah and as far as taking. it home um if we do something that's a. big bummer that it really impacts me. it'll bum me out for sure yeah but but. um just like anything else I think. knowledge is is key to uh the more you.

know about something the less um scared. you might be a bit yeah how's that you. just go work it out you know good answer. yeah it's a great answer Chuck you too. if you want to get in touch with Chuck. or me or Jerry uh or anybody who we. could conceivably pass a message along. to right yeah you can send us an email. to stuff podcast house storks.com and as. always join us at our home on the web. stuff should know.com.

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