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[Music]. welcome to stuff you should know a. production of iHeart. Radio hey and welcome to the podcast I'm. Josh and there's Chuck and Jerry's here. too and this is stuff you should. know and I've got an intro for this. Chuck you ready yeah let's hear. it dearly beloved we are gathered here. today to talk about this thing called. human Papa. virus what do you.

think that's good I hear the beat. starting in the background such a good. good. album we got to add some kind of good. spin to this sure well we're talking. about HPV like you mentioned and um we. should say right out of the gate HPV is. a very very very very uh common sexually. transmitted. infection uh if you have HPV or have had. it you may have not not even known about.

it perhaps cuz your body just took care. of it uh but if you have it and you know. about it or have had it and knew you had. it it's no big deal for the most part. it's nothing to be ashamed of it is very. very common it is the problem is this. like that would be the end of the. episode if if HPV wasn't a virus. actually the first virus found to cause. cancer that is rare in and of itself. compared to all of of the HPV infections.

that are running around the world at any. given time there's a lot and there's a. lot of different types of HPV but. because it causes cancer it's drawn a. lot of interest from the biomedical. community and luckily what we're finding. is that HPV is super treatable if your. body doesn't clear it up on its own and. in fact there's an amazing vaccine out. there that is one of the better more. effective vaccines on the market today. for anything that's right and if people. uh get this vaccine they were.

potentially looking at eradicating at. least HPV caused cervical cancer yeah. just getting rid of it so long goodbye. cervical cancer you're a thing of the. past and because we brought up the. vaccine so early I believe I heard the. sound of 100,000 people skipping to the. next episode or maybe finding a new. podcast Al together oh come on so the. other thing that you might think about. when you hear of HPV besides cervical. cancer is genital warts um maybe the. last few remain people have tuned out.

now right uh but we're going to dig into. this because those including talk of. genital warts and cervical cancer uh but. HPV itself we should say is a a larger. name an umbrella term basically for many. many different. viruses um but there are a handful that. are are pretty key to our story here and. they are you will hear say various. numbers like hpv1 hpv16 that that's how. they have them labeled yeah and and one.

of the Stars the villain I guess uh is. hpv16 it's the strain that causes the. most kind of cancers um and it's. actually it's really ancient like the. reason they call it human Poma virus is. because it is specific to humans like. you can give it to your dog all day long. and your dog's not going to get it your. dog right your dog and other animals. have Papa viruses apparently cottontail. rabbits get warts very easily from their. papa virus um and we can't get it from.

them so it's very very specific and HPV. 16 which is a kind of human Papa virus. that that causes cervical cancer among. others they believe that humans us. modern homos sapiens got it from neander. tals and Dennis ens um when we used to. have sex with them and then with us you. know what you got to do before you try. and give your dog HPV though what you. got to make him sit.

I don't get it. what you got to make your dog sit before. you give it HPV all right I'm just gonna. scoot right on past that one okay so. we're talking a little bit of History. we'll see we'll do a poll of people who. get that joke and don't I want to hear. from is. it okay all right well you explain it. later and I'll see if I if I'm guessing. it right all right uh no I get chastised. for explaining jokes so I'm not even. going to do that this time we'll let the.

people speak wait why don't you do it. next time I really want to know this. I'll tell you after okay so looking at. our history of human beings uh people. have long uh suspected that um warts. that you see like you got a wart on your. nose or a ward on your elbow that there. was an infection that was responsible. for that happening uh finally we proved. that um in the middle of the 19th. century or so.

uh when they people there were. scientists that were intentionally. trying to give themselves warts yeah and. it worked by infecting their skin so. like all right we figured that out with. W extracts yeah gross it's trying to. point that out uh so it took a little. while for that to go downstairs and um. and apply to Gal A warts uh because. people thought for a very long time hey. if you have genital warts that's just a. symptom of like syphilis or something uh.

and we eventually learned that that's. not the case at all yeah there was a. 1917 German paper that purposefully. infected a virgin girl to prove that. that genital warts exist uh outside of. STI that it's it's its own thing and. they did they proved it um so uh there's. another thread going on at the same time. back in the 19th century they figured. out that cervical cancer was a a strange. conundrum scientifically speaking.

because if you took a group of nuns and. you took a group of married women and. put them together the incidence of. breast cancer would probably be about. the same the incidence of lung cancer. probably about the same the one that. diverged is cervical cancer and they. couldn't figure out why because it. didn't really make sense except the only. way that did make sense is that cervical. cancer somehow developed from a sexually. transmitted infection I wonder if like. one person knew it and they were sharing. with other scientists and they were like.

I don't know and they're like what do. nuns not do that other married ladies. might. do drink wine don't no no what something. might in the bedroom maybe uh watch TV I. don't know just tell me oh there's a. good sketch in there somewhere I think. sure so uh they figured all this out. they put it all together and they. finally realized thanks to a German. virologist another one uh named Harold.

Zur houseen great name um he in 1983 he. found that if you took a specimen of. cervical cancer a biopsy and studied it. closely you would actually find a Papa. virus inside and specifically it would. turned out to be what we now know as. hpv6 the chances are there's going to be. some form of. hpv6 found in that biopsy in that that. cancerous cell taken from a cervical. cancer patient that's right right and.

like you said that was in 1983 Flash. Forward to 2008 when uh Harold. tusen gets a Nobel Prize in physiology. or medicine uh for his continued work. developing that HPV vaccine that we. mentioned right it's a nice work shousen. yeah way to go I think he deserved it. because he found this is the first virus. that we've ever shown to cause cancer. it's like this whole field of medicine. that's starting to of wrap its head.

around the role that viruses play in all. sorts of diseases I know there's a a. hypothesis that schizophrenia might. actually be triggered by a um a dormant. virus that comes to life later on around. your teenage years so this is the first. time we pointed to it and that's one of. the things that makes HPV so fascinating. there's not a lot of viruses running. around that cause cancer and this one. definitely does yeah so we mentioned. that um it's a lot of viruses uh over. 200 um if you want to get a little more.

exact and they generally divide these. into a couple of different groups uh the. cutaneous and the mucosal uh types uh. cutaneous hpvs are um this is where you. think of the warts they infect the skin. um if you have like planer warts on your. feet or you have warts on your hands or. something like that it's because of the. cutaneous type of. HPV um the mucosal type and gets a. little grosser here because we have to. say the word moist but they specifically. infect moist parts of the body this is.

where you get warts on genitals uh your. throat maybe your nose your anus your. cervix of course and uh your inner. eyelids which can't be comfortable yeah. and because all of those um or a lot of. those are sexy parts the inside of your. eyelid not withstanding um that it it. goes to show that HPV infection can be. transmitted sexually it's not all the. time like the other kind the um the. cutaneous type that causes planner works.

you can get that from walking around a. pool a pool deck where where there's HPV. hanging out but it's a different kind of. HPV HPV 16 that can cause um cancer that. is a sexually transmitted HPV it's. mucosal and it's also in a subcategory. of mucosal HPV called high- risk there's. high risk and there's low risk and as. you may guess just from the names high. risk typically leads to cancer or can. the low risk almost never does yeah. that's right right uh if you think hey.

can I use a condom to get around this uh. that helps but um HPV the mucosal type. at least doesn't require bodily fluids. for transmission so if you if you are. sexually active as a person and you have. been so for a few years then chances are. you've probably had HPV and maybe not. even known it yeah and that's a really. big point that that you don't have to. exchange body fluids and also similarly. Chuck uh I want to make sure it's.

totally clear genital warts doesn't. cause cancer it's a different type of. HPV so you actually can give somebody. genital a warts from sexual contact but. that's almost certainly not going to. lead to any kind of cancer they're just. different types even though they can be. passed along similarly through skin- to-. skin contact that's right so um yeah I. think you. said just from being sexually active. you're probably going to pick up some. form of HPV or another about 14 million.

uh Americans yeah just Americans alone. get a new infection every year there's. at least 80 million Americans running. around with an HPV infection right now. and if you do the math here in America. we have a pretty pretty close uh. replacement rate where we have just a. few more 100,000 births than deaths. every year right so let's just say. that's a wash at 14 million new. infections every year that means.

everything's staying exactly the same as. it is now in 24 years every single. American will be infected with HPV and. we already said that hpv16 we got from. Neanderthal so it's been around a really. long time so it makes you wonder well. why this sudden surge in infections and. apparently a lot of the incidences of. HPV or this rise in incidence can be. traced to changes in sexual mores and. behaviors that have occurred over the. last few decades m. should we just put a pin in that sure.

okay we'll reveal what that might mean. later on uh maybe we should take a break. yeah yes pretty good intro and we'll. talk about uh G Awards when we get back. [Music].

[Music]. all right so we're back we promis talk. of uh more talk that is of genital warts. um we I believe you mentioned the. low-risk mucosal type uh usually 6 and. 11 HPV are the ones that CS these warts.

um or other you know moist membranes uh. mucous membranes uh they don't generally. cause a lot of health problems uh or any. really um they can be painful sometimes. they can be itchy uh obviously there's a. lot of embarrassment that surrounds. genital warts just just saying those. words together isn't something you're. probably going to like advertise to. people no you don't say like just. disregard my genital warts yeah I mean. well I'm sure plenty of people have said. that but um who knows it doesn't always. work knows whether it works but uh it's.

nothing to be ashamed of because is it. is quite common and uh they can be. removed um sometimes medication can do. it sometimes uh they'll do the old uh. freeze with liquid nitrogen routine I. used to get that I got warts on my. elbows and I used to get it burned off. with liquid nitrogen pretty regularly I. think I remember Pleasant yeah I I I. feel like I've had that done with. uh I think I had planner warts that they. did that too when I was in college yeah.

I mean you can get rid of warts that way. yeah um there's also lasers these days. that can handle that um different. different methods to get rid of those. GLE Awards uh in due time so don't worry. about it if you have those people just. you know keep keep soldiering on you'll. be okay yes so um there are some some. types of HPV infections that lead to. warts mucosa warts. um that can be a problem there's one in.

particular respiratory papios is a. condition that's caused by warts in the. Airways and it typically happens in kids. and it's treatable but it can narrow the. airway and that in and of itself is. problematic uh they think that it's. transferred that HPV infection is. transferred during birth or from the. amniotic fluid inside the um the womb um. but it's pretty it's pretty rare it's. one of the rare ones that okay okay this. is actually could be a bit of a health.

problem from warts yeah for sure um but. that is only in young children it's uh. usually you see it between the ages of. two and six uh it can occur in adults. but I think it's even more rare um but. again you can remove these. surgically uh so you can get that taken. care of as well um yeah plus you get to. go back to school in the fall and be. like yeah they shot lasers down my. throat what did you do this summer. that's right to get rid of my warts y uh.

there's also infections with uh the. high-risk kinds of. APV um that don't clear up on their own. and these are the ones that could. eventually lead to. cancer yeah so um this is a very very. long process but essentially this HPV. infection um that can is akin to causing. warts just causes hijacks a cell just. like any other virus causes it to. multiply and multiply and M multiply and. then as these cells rupture they release.

more viruses into the extracellular. membrane and they get into more cells. and it just gets worse and worse the. difference between an HPV infection and. other types of infections from viruses. is that they're not systemic they stay. very very localized and so they form a a. very recognizable Legion yeah but it. isn't just cervical cancer though that. we should point out I believe there are. six kinds uh of cancer um I think the. the data that we got was this Libya did.

she help us with this yeah hats off I. could tell um in a good way uh I was. like oh gez I could tell uh all the. dirty jokes we we can't. say uh 2021 is when um we got uh the. latest CDC data with um more than 37,000. cases of cancer Associated per year uh. uh of HP that are associated with HPV uh. 22,000 in women 16,000 in men and the.

six kinds of cancer or I guess the five. besides cervical are uh anal cancer. penile cancer vaginal cancer bver cancer. cancer bver cancer man that's hard to. say it is that's a good pre-stage warmup. okay uh so if you hear me backstage. saying good Lord uh and then finally uh. Oro faren gal cancer which is uh the. base of the tongue the back of the. throat um tonsils um you can also get.

that through uh tobacco use not. surprisingly so you should also not be. surprised to learn that as tobacco use. has gone down so have incidences of. non-hpv uh orofar andal cancer but. incidence of orofar andal cancer overall. has increased because there's been a. rise in in HPV infections through that. man and I think I made it pretty clear. HPV 16 is one of the big baddies of this. um episode so is HPV 18 um those are the.

two most common cancer-causing types of. HPV um there were responsible hpv6 is. responsible for. 90% of HPV related orofer andal cancers. half of all cervical Cancers and all the. other cancers that are related to HPV. it's it makes up a significant portion. of them just 16 alone yeah and I think. 18 causes 20% of cervical cancer so. between those two you know you're. looking at 70%. so let's talk cervical cancer shall we.

because it is a it's really important. it's become I guess um how do you put it. it's really emerged as as um a a. condition that's gotten a lot of. attention because there's so much. potential for getting rid of it. altogether yeah and it's a situation. where here in the United States uh due. to early detection and treatment um it. is really really lowered I think um it's. gone down by more than 50% from the mid.

70s to the mid. 2000s uh and only and you know of course. 4,000 people is a lot of people but uh. when you're talking about what the rates. could and would have been in the past. 4,000 Americans dying of cervical cancer. each year is a is a lot of progress has. been made yeah and overall I think. there's. 350,000 deaths from cervical cancer. worldwide every year yeah and I mean. Americans make up a decent portion of um.

the world population but not a good. portion of the cervical cancer death. population the reason why is because. America has a really robust screening. process that is easily accessed um by. American women to search for cervical. cancer and catch it early on and it's. not nearly as robust uh in some other. developing parts of the world yeah uh. because in America once you turn uh 21. um if you're a woman generally for about.

uh from about 21 to 65 you're going to. be getting a Pap test um about every. three years or at least you're supposed. to and the US preventative Services Task. Force the. uspstf um says if you're under 30 uh we. don't they don't recommend that uh you. get tested for HPV unless you have some. you know some pretty obvious risk. factors why um well. because generally by then you have.

probably gotten it and it has probably. cleared up on its own and that also. means that you have um some kind of. immunity sometimes very long-lasting. immunity yes so they say don't bother. with the HPV test but definitely do get. your Pap test Pap by the way isn't short. for Papi it's short for uh the guy who. came up with the test Georgio Papa. nikolo Pap I guess to his friends and. family sure um so that's looking for. abnormal cells in your service if they. find that then you test for HPV to see.

what kind of HPV infection you might. have that could account for those. abnormal cells and then um the American. Cancer Society says forget that just. start at 25 forget the papsmear start. with an HPV test like if you have to. prioritize one do that yeah and you. might say well I'm confused the. preventative Services TX task force says. 30 and focus on the the um Pap test in. the meantime ACS says so the pap test. out focus on the HPV test starting at 25.

which one should I choose and you don't. have to worry if you're an American cuz. your insurance company will choose for. you and that'll probably be. neither that's right uh if during your. screening um you happen to see um what's. a a pre-cancer or a dysplasia then what. they're probably going to do next is to. examine the cervic um it's it's not a. pleasant process uh it's it's done using. an instrument called the uh culos scope.

um you may get a biopsy performed but a. lot of times it's a minor thing that's. going to go away on its own and so what. they what they might do is say hey let's. just monitor this thing yeah instead of. removing it and just sort of get you. tested more regularly to see what's. happening yeah with that hey welcome to. your year of anxiety yeah until your. next test it sucks yeah but the ads are. with you yeah yeah for sure because. we've got this early screening because. they are have like a lot of Telltale um.

signatures um they might they may also. do a biopsy if it does seem like it's a. a big deal um they may do more invasive. surgery but um for the most part we'll. set cervical cancer aside for a second. until we get to the vaccine it's if you. go get a Pap test and you do some form. of HPV testing whether um if needed uh. you're probably going to you catch it. early enough for it to be treated that's.

right um that's the great news with. cervical cancer um unfortunately the. other kinds of cancers the other five. that we mentioned caused by HPV there. isn't a routine screening for those uh. or preventative treatments for those uh. and that is the re one of the reasons. why you mentioned orer and geal cancer. is growing even though tobacco use and. tobacco caused or uh orofer andal cancer. is falling. yeah because people stopped using.

tobacco as much but they replaced. tobacco use with oral sex which is one. of the it's actually the biggest risk fa. Factor now for developing oraler geal. cancer and the more oral sex partners. you've had the the greater your risk of. developing Oro faral cancer uh a few. decades later is as a matter of fact so. that's what I was saying earlier when I. was saying that there's been a change in. sexual moras and behavior oral sex has.

become much more prevalent uh in since. the 60s and 70s than before and a lot of. those um men in particular are starting. to age into that that um that point in. their life where that HPV infection is. developing into a Cancer and it's. developing into orofer geal cancer right. and we're talking specifically about. oral sex performed on women so I guess. the idea is that uh you can get that.

HPV uh and many many years later uh when. you're like you said in your 50s or 60s. that's when it might um rear its ugly. head yeah do you remember when Michael. Douglas um said that he had oral cancer. throat cancer I think and he's like it's. from oral sex yeah and everyone laughs. yeah that's exactly what he was talking. about and he's he's right in that age. group of Boomers that were like you know. let me try this right back in the day so. um we don't have a good handle on on.

really anything besides cervical cancer. so the oral faral cancer field like the. the researchers and doctors who study. this kind of stuff are like okay it's go. time for us because you know we thought. everything was was Just Ducky with the. tobacco use going down and now we've got. this we've got to figure this one out. that's right uh good time for a second. break I think so all right great uh. we're gonna take a break and you know we. talked about the vaccine a couple of.

times we're going to come back and put. all our cards all our vaccine cards on. the table right after this. [Music]. [Music].

you um Chuck before we move on to the. vaccines which I agree we should do post. haste um we do want to mention that the. other kinds of uh high-risk. HPV um mucosal cancers include I think. like you said anal cancer vver cancer. penal cancer and vaginal cancer and they. start to get much much more rare um. starting with anal cancer down to.

vaginal cancer uh as far as cancer cases. go caused by HPV um hopefully we'll be. able to figure this out um and there. won't be any of those cases but that's. another reason why cervical cancer got. so much attention because there was it. was much more prevalent in addition to. much more um treatable that's right I'm. glad you said that stuff so um now we. can talk about the vaccine okay yeah. let's do it there there were two guys uh.

Jean Xiao and uh Ian Frasier and they. both worked at the University of. Queensland I believe Ian Frasier ran the. lab in jeanu or Xiao uh and his partner. worked for Ian Fraser and together they. started studying HPV specifically. hpv16 and they figured out that you. could take. hpv16 and um isolate proteins from it. and you could use those proteins. ostensibly. in a vaccine and in very short order.

within a few well a decade or so a a. vaccine finally did come out apparently. the drug companies took some um pep. talks I guess about how much money they. could make on this and they finally saw. the light and uh we ended up with a HPV. vaccine in 2006 the first one was called. gardisil and I remember when this came. out because from the outset it came out. essentially. in the midst of The Firestorm of the.

vaccines cause autism stuff that was. going on at the same time uh Merk was. like hey we got a new one everybody come. check this one out that's right uh it. was it's meant for uh girls and women. between 9 and 26 years old MH um there's. a group called The acip the advisory. committee on immunization and practices. uh that said you know this stuff's good. to go let's get it out there and it. protected against HPV 16 and 18 mhm uh.

which is the most uh common high-risk. types we talked about and then 6 and 11. which caused uh more readily caused the. genital wart so the it basically kind of. took care of the four bad guys yeah and. um after this this thing was released. they started launching studies on the. like real world studies on people who. gotten and they found like wait this is. actually pretty good at at protecting. people against those four HPV strains. and in fact they also figured out that.

it could protect men against genital. warts and anal cancer because anal. cancer um or HPV that causes anal cancer. I think 16 um or probably 18 as well uh. can be transmitted from uh anal. intercourse I can't remember receptive. anal intercourse that's the word um and. so you can transmit it like that and. they found that if men got this vaccine. it protected them against that which was.

pretty surprising because at the. beginning they're like yeah we just need. to give this to little girls and then. they were like no we need to give it to. little boys too that's right so that was. in 2009 uh when the FDA licensed it for. uh for boys and men from 99 to. 26 and uh again a couple years after. that is when the acip said yep we should. get it get it going in that population. yeah so at the same time Glo Smith Klein. said us too we wanted to make some money. off of this too and they released a.

CX um which I I guess just never really. picked up steam against gardisil because. in 2014 Merc released gardisil 9 and. that is essentially the de facto HPV. vaccine in most of the developed world. yeah it protects against as you might. have guessed from the name nine. different strains of HPV uh not just the. common ones but also some less common. ones that are still highrisk and they. also found again through more clinical. trials and more real world studies that.

these things were really really. effective at protecting kids if you gave. them this vaccine before they became. sexually active right because one of the. really big Keys here is once you're. infected with the strain of. HPV That vaccine won't protect you. against that strain it'll protect you. against the other strains that you. haven't gotten yet but it apparently. won't do anything it doesn't cure HPV. infections it just defends against them.

from you from getting infected with them. yeah and that's why they went uh from. nine you know down to 9 years old uh. it's two shots uh six months to a year. apart um if you're older than 15 I. believe you have three shots over a. six-month period And if you're like well. wait a minute um at the time like you're. like well I'm I'm older now and this. stuff just came out out and they were. like sucks for you yeah well they you.

know you're not going to get the full. benefit necessarily from that. vaccination um but they said it still. may be worth getting uh if you weren't. vaccinated as a kid um especially if you. had um fewer sexual partners so less sex. the older you are the likelier the. vaccine is to protect you against it. later in life right and if you were a. 40-Year-Old Virgin then they made a. movie about you st. pretty good movie too yeah I like that.

one so like I said this thing was um. released in the midst of the vaccine um. vaccines cause autism Firestorm um and. so it was controversial right out of the. gate but Rick Perry who is governor of. Texas at the time did not help things at. all um he did something that seems. extraordinarily bizarre today in. retrospect he was the Republican. governor of Texas who ended up serving. as Department of energy secretary under. Trump and he mandated as Governor that.

every girl entering sixth grade who. lived in Texas had to get the gardisil. vaccine in 2007 a year after it got FDA. approval and um that did not sit well. with a lot of. parents no a lot of parents um were. either just you know sort of like stuff. you hear about today like you know. parents Rights group saying that we want. to make those decisions uh some of them. were part of the antivaccine movement uh.

and some of them also and just people in. general I think we're like wait a minute. Perry you've got uh you're cozied up to. these lobbyists for MC like is that. what's going on here um so it was it was. a big deal and like you said in. retrospect is it's very odd to see a. Texas Republican Governor mandating. vaccines for anybody yeah and and Rick. Perry had big time ties to Merc um that. was the only HPV vaccine on the market. at the time so it's not like he could. choose from a different type but it just.

those ties made the whole thing smell. fishy there's another really big thing. that uh parents came out against there. was a lot of um fear that when you. vaccinated your kid with a HPV vaccine. they were going to run right out and. start having receptive anal sex because. now they were protected were going to. have inter intercourse or have oral sex. starting at age nine because you just. gave them this license to go have sex. cuz you vaccinated them against HPV and.

that was the one that the most vocal. opponents um sounded the alarm about but. it uh it turns out from studies. follow-up studies about hesitation of. HPV vaccine hesitancy among parents. that's almost like not even on the. charts like very few parents are. actually worried about that they're more. worried about things like whether it's. safe or they think that their kid. actually doesn't need it because my. kid's ugly um like there there's a whole.

whole other cadra of reasons and that. one apparently didn't pan out and. studies that looked at it uh that. possibility found that girls who had. been given the HPV vaccine. pre-teen um compared to girls from the. same cohort had no more incidences of. seeking birth control of pregnancies or. of any other things that indicated they. had more sex than the girls who weren't. vaccinated with the HPV vaccine yeah and. I bet one reason is because parents. probably didn't say all right you're.

going to the doctor and you're getting. this vaccine and you know what that. means so the other um one of the other. things that popped up was uh the idea. that um whether or not you need to. vaccinate boys uh in 2011 there was a. story in the New York Times um that that. basically kind of suggested that the. biggest benefit for male vaccination was. either uh. protecting female partners because well.

was protecting female partners because. the only way to if you're going to get. it as a a man or a boy is to like you. said had that receptive anal sex uh and. so we've learned since then that uh. straight men are also at risk um. especially for that Oro farang geal. cancer so that was sort of um I mean I. was about to say quickly quash but also. it wasn't because people got up in arms. about it yeah because I mean they hpv6. causes 70% of oral cancers right so if.

you give a a boy the vaccine against. hpv16 you're going to take a big bite. out of that possibility of them. developing orofer and geoc cancer later. in life it just make sense so it does. make sense for boys and girls to both. get the um vaccine and yet there's. thanks to the antia movement thanks to. Rick Perry and his Merk ties thanks to. that study that linked ISM with um with. vaccines uh there's still today um just.

a lot of hesitancy in mandating HPV as. part of a required vaccine schedule. among boys and girls in America I think. Delaware Rhode Island Hawaii Virginia. and DC are the only ones that require. vaccines for students they require it. for boys and girls um but even with that. that hesitancy among states among. individuals the cases of cervical cancer. and deaths from cervical cancer have.

fallen dramatically since 2006 when we. started vaccinating kids against HPV. yeah I mean that's the one takeaway is. that this is a vaccine that really seems. to work yeah uh there was a study in. 2021 that found that uh among uh women. who had been vaccinated between 12 and. 13 uh there were 87% fewer cases of. cervical cancer yeah that's nuts John. Hopkins came up with a model that said.

that um because of vaccination rates. among men there should be 1,000 fewer. cases of Oro faral cancer by 2045 you. might be like that's it that doesn't. seem like that much the reason why is. because only 20 to 30% of boys aged 13. to 17 are getting that vaccine if you. increase that percentage to like what. girls are getting which is more like the. 60 to 70% range it would take an even. bigger bite out of orofar geal cancer in. future because those kids will. eventually age and if they got the.

vaccine they won't have contracted that. strain of HPV that's right uh how many. people are getting this vaccine uh more. and more um in 2022 57 57% of kids. between the ages of 15 and 17 had gotten. at least one dose M um if you are from a. family that has uh parents that are. college educated and maybe a little more. money you're more likely to be inated. against it statistics show MH and uh you.

know public um public education is one. of the big reasons that people are more. aware of it and more inclined to get it. yeah so I guess that's it Chuck. HPV uh yeah if you want to know more. about HPV there's a lot to go read out. there and educate yourself on same with. the HPV vaccines that are available um. you should probably read up on anything. like that first um but make sure that. you are getting your info from trusted. sources and since I said that of course.

it's time for listener. mail uh this is good because it ties. into an episode on whistling and. something we both love which is. whistling the Scorpions oh yeah I love. this one hey guys listening to the show. about whistling and uh and got to the. part of the episode about popular songs. and as I hoped you guys did mention the. classic Wind of Change by scorpions mhm. uh side note he says it's just scorpions. not the oh sorry didn't know that kind.

of like eagles and Indigo Girls and Edy. Briel and New Bohemians yeah Edy Briel. and New Bohemians yeah that's right yeah. that what you said yeah yeah brand new. Bohemians right and Brand New Heavies. that's right oh God I used to love that. band and uh new pornographers oh well. you know I still love them uh who else. Jethro to okay I love je thr to too oh. go he whistled through his flute um.

however guys uh I was half expecting one. of you to mention this crazy fact and he. passed over it to State it briefly there. exists a conspiracy theory that the song. Wind of Change was written or partially. written by the CIA as a mode of. propaganda to help bring an end to the. Cold War uh I had never heard this had. you no but it really rang true cuz I. remember when the song came out and what. it what the sentiments were like oh sure. down to. p uh the song was written and released.

just months before the Berlin Wall was. brought down and became hugely popular. throughout the Soviet Union at the time. a a political leaning song was very out. of character for. scorpions I just can't say it yeah that. just picture a bunch of. scorpions yeah it doesn't quite sit. right it's not like Jethro toll no very. out of character for the Scorpions yeah. and the band claims that the song was. written by lead singer uh clous m. who typically never wrote music for the. group I didn't know that either M uh.

their manager doc McGee somehow weasel. out of a large drug case uh with a. mysterious deal from the US government. uh the Scorpions claimed the song was. inspired during a rock festival called. the Moscow music Peace festival M where. the bands were surrounded by CIA and KGB. handlers the interesting wrinkles go on. from there uh probably not doing it. justice but highly recommend the podcast. Wind of Change by Patrick Raiden Keef. which chases down a number of these. connections and threads uh if nothing.

else it's a pretty amusing story about. the 80s hairband um they were more than. a hairband yeah they were political. hairband yeah that's right uh hope this. email finds you guys well had been a. huge fan for Years glad I could share. this with you that is Jimmy from Spokan. Washington and uh Jimmy I want to just. follow up and Josh with a recommendation. of my own if you are a fan of. scorpions um I recommend that you go.

look immediately at the video for the. song from 1978 sales of. chaon chaon like the the river sticks. boatkeeper yeah Charon sales of Charon c. h a r o n yeah uh if you if you only. know the Scorpions from like the early. 80s then check out this gemm from 1978. cuz it's awesome all right well we got a. couple minutes left before we hit 45 so. I am going to tell you about a movie.

that I watched last night from 1979. called tourist trap have you ever seen. it okay I don't think so man it is the. definition of Camp without intentionally. being Camp without being annoying Camp. it's one of the best schlocky late '70s. horror movies I've ever seen in my life. it is really good all right what year. 1970 7 9 you can stream it online.

somewhere I don't think you have to pay. for it please watch it it's it's a. really good one it's like a highly. watchable enjoyable movie and there's. some surprising little like directorial. like um bits in there that you're like. wow that seems sophisticated for this. movie Tanya Roberts and Chuck Connor. areen it that's enough for me that's all. you need right there yep 90 minutes also. perfect yeah so go forth look up sales. of Charon video by scorpions yeah you. need to watch that one you're going to.

love it I still need to watch your. whistling uh video that you sent me you. haven't watch that uh no I feel like a. jerk I'm sorry all right you got you got. work to do I do. well well while I do. that uh you guys go out and um send us a. listener mail you can send it off to. stuff podcast at iheartradio.com. stuff you should know is a of iHeart. radio for more podcasts myart radio.

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