Vivek Ramaswamy - The Truth Behind the Campaign Trail & Government Lies | SRS #112

[Music]. M ramaswami welcome back man it's good. to be back how you been cool room here I. like I like cool temperatures thank you. thank you it's a lot of history in here. is lot remember we talked about that. last time I was here it's good to be. back and you know this time it's on the. back of a campaign that you know I SP. about a few months since the campaign. and so I've restored to sane normal life. and a chance to reflect on the last year.

but uh I'm doing well nice good for you. man I'm I'm curious how did the campaign. go I mean is it as dirty getting into. Politics as everybody says it is I think. it's worse it's worse yeah you know it's. going to be bad going in I don't think I. don't like to think of myself as naive. but it's far worse than anybody might. imagine looking in from the outside I. think the one of the most surprising. parts of the process to me is the role. of The Gatekeepers is massive and The.

Gatekeepers include both apparatuses. within each of the political parties I. can't speak to the Democratic party I. assume it's the same as it is with the. Republican Party Gatekeepers in the. party apparatus itself Gatekeepers in. the media and I'm not talking about just. hosts I'm talking about the people who. the public never sees but Network. Executives who decide not even how. something gets covered that's not where. they tilt the scale it's whether it gets. covered which is really interesting and. then third of course is the the people.

who write the big checks not the people. who write the $6,000 $6,600 maximum. checks to a campaign or a candidate. that's a lot of money but it's a lot of. people across this country can write. that check now I'm talking about the. people who don't write the checks to the. campaigns but write the biggest and most. important checks of all which are to the. super packs that fund political. campaigns they don't directly fund the. campaigns but that's just a fiction yeah. the reality is the system runs on Super. PAC dollars and stuff less true for.

candidacy than the people I was. competing with but the fact that my. competitors were funded that way had a. big effect on the way that I had to. compete against that and those are. collectively what I learned were The. Gatekeepers of American politics and. let's just say I uh you know emerged. from the process a lot more educated on. the realities of how the game is played. but also with a sense of restored. purpose to change the game to be able to. know I think you know it sound like a.

good idea an outsider should run for US. president I believe that professional. politicians pollute our politics but on. the other side of having done it now I. think it gives me a deeper conviction. that it's going to require not just me. more people like Donald Trump or like. myself who literally have yes a lot to. lose by doing this but are doing it. temporarily for a defined period of time. as a matter of service we need more of. that or else the game is going to keep. being played the way it is how do you.

think your campaign would have gone had. Trump not been in the race oh I think we. would have been successful in achieving. the goal yeah I mean look I think that. the people of this country and the. Republican primary base made a very. understandable choice and it's why I. myself endorse Donald Trump the day that. I dropped out of the race as well is. they said look we want an America first. leader but in Donald Trump we have. something that's particularly unique is. somebody who has actually done it before. so if you have an incumbent president. like Biden and you have a challenger.

who's challenging that incumbent usually. here's the trade-off the Challenger is. offering you some hope and dream okay. here's what I'm going to do that's. different than the. incumbent this is a once in a century. opportunity actually I think the last. time it happened was with Grover. Cleveland but it's literally once in a. century opportunity that voters get to. say here's a four-year record of a. president who I've had I see exactly not. what he said but what he did on the. border on the economy the stability on. the global stage the fact that we are't. to on the brink of World War III or.

weren't for those four years and today. we have a border crisis of historic. proportion we have an administrative. State a weaponization of government. that's out of control an economy that's. failing most Americans and closer to. World War II than we've ever been in my. life make your choice and so I think. that's what the Republican primary base. voted for is anyone outside of the. America First Vision cannot represent. the modern Republican party that much is. clear that basically in this race left. two candidates that was Donald Trump and. myself and they made a clear and.

decisive choice to say that this time. around the person we want is the person. who's actually done it because that's. what we get to compare to a Biden. Administration that's given us the. opposite and so if Donald Trump weren't. in the race I me there's hard polling. data on this look at the end of the race. certainly in some of those early States. like Iowa and also nationally if you. look at who the second choice to those. Trump voters were you know would have me. in first place in many of those but you. know that's that's not for me to you.

know relitigate and analyze and and. think about what could have been I'm. thrilled that hopefully Trump is on. track to a successful second term ahead. I'm going to do everything I can to make. sure he's successfully elected not just. by a little bit but by a lot I think a. landslide minus some Shenanigans is. still a decisive Victory and that's what. this country needs and I think that that. second term I'm hopeful can go far. further than Donald Trump's first term. did I think his first was successful but.

I think he has an opportunity to make. the second one pale in comparison and. anything I can do to make that. successful that's going to be the next. highest way of me having an impact on. this country second to being the. president do you think that we'll see. you up there again maybe in. 20128 it's a long time from now you know. right now one of the things I've learned. in my life is every time I make these. detailed long run plans never goes. according to that plan anyway so when. when you're Guided by your own personal.

plans of here's what I'm going to do it. never goes that way anyway your plans. are stupid that's what I found but if. you're Guided by your actual sense of. purpose right what's my purpose is my. purpose going to change no it's not my. purpose is Reviving The 1776 ideals this. country was founded on I think we've. forgotten those ideals I think our. founding fathers were incredible human. beings whose Legacy both in terms of. their culture in terms of their values. in terms of their constitutional Vision. we've all bit abandoned you got the.

likes of Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin. Franklin these guys were you know one. guy invented the remedy to the common. cold a lightning rod a Franklin stove. Benjamin Franklin that was Benjamin. Franklin Thomas Jefferson invents the. swivel chair we're sitting a swivel. chair right now he actually really he. literally was the inventor of the swivel. chair how the hell do you know that oh. he just me study American history these. guys are are Titans Jefferson actually. also invented you'd actually interested. in this the original version of the.

polygraph test which is a lie detector. test yeah and so these are these are the. guys who are our founding fathers right. these are the guys who were the pioneers. and the explorers that refused to be. stopped they wrote a declaration of. independence they meant what they said. Jefferson you know I mean doesn't land. well on the modern ear but I think he. said what is it the tree of Liberty is. fed of regeneration by the blood of. tyrants and they fought a revolution. taking the risk pledging their sacred. honor their lives and their treasure the. 56 men who signed the Declaration of.

Independence a good number of them died. bankrupt because they had their assets. seized by the British I'm pretty sure 12. of them had their homes ransacked or. burned five of them were captured and. tortured by the British before their. death and they knew what they were. signing up for we've lost that sense of. risk-taking we've lost that sense of. sacrificing for a country that allows us. to otherwise enjoy the Liberties that we. do and I don't say that as some sort of. you know self-important okay well I'm.

going to I'm going to revive that Legacy. myself but all of us need to step up and. ask ourselves how are we going to. actually pass that on to our kids in the. same way that our founding fathers did. to us that's my sense of purpose you. know it seems like so whatever I can do. to make that happen I'm going to do it. again I love where you're going with. this and and you know we hear about it. all the time right it seems like there's. more and more Americans willing to step. up to the plate but I think it lacks. organization yeah how are we going to. organize.

well look I think the first step is I. think the organization part will be. easier once we actually have the. underlying will to do it and I think. we're in a place right now Sean where. that's changing gradually I think you. had a lot of people before said okay I'm. going to look after what my own interest. is let somebody else fight the battles. that need to be fought but especially. for the wealthy class in this country of. which you know folks like myself are a. member of that I've had my peers who. would look at okay politics is for. somebody else or fighting these cultural. fights to be speak truth even when it's.

hard that's for somebody else to do for. me it's to just enjoy the fruits of that. people now starting to wake up and. recognize that we're not going to have a. country left in 3 four five six years I. do think that that's what we're looking. at I I think about it on a personal note. if my kids are in high school before we. get this right I don't think we have a. country left I think a lot of people are. starting to recognize that too and say. you know what the inheritance I want to. give my kids isn't just a bunch of green. pieces of paper it is a country where. they can actually enjoy the same gifts. and Liberties that allowed us to achieve.

what we have too and so I think once you. have that will the organization. naturally follows and it's not just. through politics I think about. organization as within every institution. right so so within politics we can talk. about what organization looks like the. Republican party has been you know in. its organization deeply broken for a. long time and I think we've had some. changes in leadership that hopefully. will turn the page on that but you can. think about organization within every. other institution too about organization.

in Corporate America and in capital. markets where you've historically for. the last 10 years had three incumbent. institutions Black Rock and State Street. and Vanguard that have defined using the. power of capital and the power of. organization to dictate how the rest of. corporate America behaves well the other. side needs to get organized and say you. know what we're going to counter that. through competitive forces that say. companies should not be vectors of. advancing left-wing political ideologies. but they should be focused on maximizing. profit for shareholders and creating.

value for society by making products and. services for their customers that's. getting organized in capital markets and. in Corporate America is getting. organized at the level of K through 12. education who are governing our school. boards people who are effectively social. activists you have a lot of other. people myself included I haven't haven't. run for school board before but assume. that that's going to be somebody else's. problem no we got to get organized and. say that you know what parents determine. where their kids go to school use actual. Choice measures to hold Public Schools.

accountable and for the public schools. we do have representation on there that. stands for educating the next generation. of kids rather than indoctrinating the. next generation of activists so the same. thing at universities at philanthropies. at nonprofits but getting organized. doesn't mean just one top down maneuver. if we're going to save this country it's. going to be in each of those domains one. at a time and so I was in it in the. presidential race to start with. reforming and getting organized in.

tearing down the Deep State and the. federal bureaucracy which is one of. those tools that has been weaponized. that needs to be I think. shuttered I think personally if we take. care of that a lot of the others become. that much easier but we're going to need. people to get organized in the domain of. higher education K through2 education. corporate American Capital markets and. the nonprofit and philanthropy sector to. be able to actually save this country. bottom. up man I'm talking about I'm I'm just I. mean I'm talking talking about Congress.

I'm talking about the I don't even think. they're. organized it's aing disaster up there. well first thing is term limits and so. yeah that's a great point but if we do. term limits that's that's an amendment. to the Constitution. correct you know I think that is. amendment to the Constitution which was. a high hurdle definitely is amendment to. the Constitution was a high hurdle to. pass but here's my way of at least. getting the wheels greased using the.

corruption against the corrupt system. itself so then I'm not going to be the. next president but if I were the next. president here's what I would do the. deal I would put up to Congress is all. right here's term limits three terms for. congress two terms for the US Senate. most of them don't want to do it not. because it's a bad idea for the country. but because it's a bad idea for them. individually and so I don't love this. deal but here's how we would get it. through at overwhelming majority levels. because there's bipartisan support for. this people across the country Democrat. and Republican want term limits in. Congress why isn't it happening the. people who have to vote on it because it.

requires a constitutional amendment. requires passage in both houses and. ratification by the states the people. who are to vote for it it's against. their self-interest so the deal I would. make is this we're going to have term. limits but if you pass it it doesn't. apply to you the people who vote for it. that Congress is grandfathered in and. anytime one of those seats is replaced. by somebody else who's voted in to take. it then it applies to them going forward. so they're binding the future without. binding themselves now this is a wildly. popular bipartisan policy I think it.

would pass in an instant even as a. constitutional amendment there's certain. types of term limits that don't require. a constitutional amendment so you have. the term limits that I favor for. bureaucrats right if the US president. can't work for the people of this. country for more than eight years. neither should any of those Federal. bureaucrats either in my opinion those. 8year term limits don't require an. amendment they don't even require. congressional action that's something. the US president can say as a hiring. policy for most roles we have an 8-year.

term limit you can't just sit and squat. and collect a paycheck from the taxpayer. without any political accountability for. more than eight years if I as the. president can't do that either that's a. term limit we could get past even. without. Congress and and so I think there are. things we can do anyway to grease the. wheels of saying that you take the. self-interest of the congressman AC off. the table it's amazing what they would. do the bans on I don't know where you. are on this but the bans on insider. trading or the bans on trading of stocks. we won't even call it insider trading. the band of trading of indiv ual Stocks. by congressmen and senators or by.

bureaucrats I don't see the public. policy argument for how that advances. the interest of the American people but. the reason and I've gone to even. Republican caucuses of the congressmen. they're dead set against this most of. them are do the same thing say okay okay. make the rule think about what's in the. best interest of the country by taking. your self-interest off the table it. doesn't apply to you now they they don't. have to think about themselves right it. only applies to the next guy it's. amazing what that does in clearing one's. mind so those are the kinds of things I. would do think it's brilliant but where. I'm going if if it is an amendment to.

the Constitution does and and look I'm. I'm not near as knowledgeable as you I. don't know about that but how many times. has the constitution been amended. because what I worry about is or well. actually 17 right because you have the. Bill of Rights first 10 so does that. open it up. to Second Amendment First Amendment and. start amending these things CU there's. definitely a push on freedom of speech. there's a push on gun control there's a. p on all kinds of.

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grow your business no matter what stage. you're in that's shopify.com. so there's two ways I this G is a little. technical but there's two ways to amend. the Constitution okay one is through. congressional action and then you take. it to the states to ratify what Congress. amends I think that that would not open. up Pandora's Box because that requires. the presentation of a very specific. Amendment term limits for congressman. that that is codified and what do we say.

through term limits what are we saying. to the people that we believe in a. culture of Service public service is. about serving the public not yourself. that we believe in a culture where. different people at different stages of. their life say I'm going to go into. public service I'm going to do my part. and then get the heck out of there and. go back to productively living my life. and contributing to this country in. other ways that's the kind of thing that. qualifies as a constitutional amendment. that could really unite and Galvanize a. Civic spirit in this country and restore.

trust to say that we're not sending a. class of professional politicians acting. like leeches as they do today on the. taxpayers who fund them that'd be the. way to do it there's a second way to. amend the Constitution that some people. favor which I don't I'm actually. sympathetic to it to their motivations. but I don't think that we need to go. there and I don't think we're at a. moment where we should go there right. now which is called an article 5. Convention of States so that's where a. certain number of states can under. Article Five of the Constitution call a. whole. convention you think about the original.

constitutional convention was amending. the with the older system was and that. was what the Constitution cre came out. of you could do that again under Article. 5 of The Constitution there and a lot of. the opponents to the Article 5. convention worry about this you're. opening Pandora's Box you could just. throw out the other amendments too and. just come out with something totally new. I don't think we need to go there I. don't think that that's we've gotten to. that point as a country yet I think. let's start with just electing the right.

person to lead the executive branch of. the government to actually use that. authority to shut down the. unconstitutional fourth branch of. government right the biggest. constitutional breach in America today. you know all the threats to the Second. Amendment to the First Amendment all of. that FL the Fourth Amendment you take a. look at the fiser reauthorization and. everything else going on right now a lot. of that originates with the Deep State. and people use this term the Deep State. what is it it's the people who were. never elected Ed to run the government.

the 4 plus million Federal bureaucrats. who are actually writing the regulations. that act like laws that bind the. behaviors of businesses and people. across this country who were never. elected to do it in the first place and. who the Constitution doesn't even. recognize as existing see if our. founding fathers went and walked around. the bureaucracies of Washington DC they. they would find it unrecognizable they. would say well what's this we set into. motion a system where you have checks. and balances between three branches of. government there's a legislative branch.

that makes the laws there's an executive. branch that enforces the laws there's a. judicial branch the highest organ of. which is the Supreme Court that. interprets the. laws what's going on with all of these. bureaucracies with 4 million plus people. making most of the rules that bind. people's lives that have zero. accountability attached to them what's. going on there that's unconstitutional. that's why it's unrecognizable we don't. need an article 5 convention to change. the Constitution to address that real.

threat to Liberty what we really need to. do is just apply the Constitution we. already have MH and the sad part is. leaders from both parties have utterly. failed to do it I mean the. administrative State that's what we call. the Deep State administrative State the. managerial class the shadow government. whatever you want to call it the people. who we elected to run the government. they're not the ones running the. government it's this other class of. people the 4 million managerial. bureaucrats it's grown in influence. under both political parties right and I.

think that they they're getting their. wheels greased by Republicans and. Democrats alike that's what we need to. do not I I'm sympathetic to the people. who say we need an article 5 convention. and we need to start the revolution. again well like you said there's a risk. you could just toss out the other. amendments and go in the other direction. we don't need a new. constitution we could add one we could. add a 28th Amendment to add term limits. and that's something I'm in favor of but. the real thing we need in this country. is not a new constitution we need to. apply the con tion that we already have.

and that requires and it starts with a. president with the spine to do it that's. why I ran that was the I would say the. sole premise but that was the number one. goal of my candidacy was to get in there. use the current Supreme Court which. agrees with everything I've just told. you as the back stop to say we're. shutting down the fourth branch of. government that we're going to fire. Millions without exaggeration or. hyperbole millions of federal. bureaucrats the people who we elect to. Congress they may not all agree with me.

on everything but at least it will be. the people who we elect to run the. government that are actually running the. government that was the core premise of. my candidacy for US president and as I. said the people of this country and the. Republican primary base went for a guy. who's they said is saying similar things. but has actually done a lot that we. appreciate so now I'm behind him but I. do think that that is the thing that we. need to accomplish and if there's. something that I would push the next. Administration to do above all else shut. down the Deep State and the rest of our. problems become that much easier to.

solve and I do think that that's doable. without tossing the Constitution aside I. just I got a quick qu going back to term. limits so how long do you think that. would take to flush these people out if. we did it the way that I said yeah that. would happen organically I think in in. about a 10year period in that case cuz I. get you know I get I get worried I get. really worried I look at the population. now instead of just the politicians I. mean the just if if you look at Congress. these numbers aren't correct but they're.

damn near this extreme you know Congress. has what like a 10. perish approval rating yeah and like a. 90ish reelection rate yeah so how do you. how do you explain that how do you. explain I mean it's the people it seems. like we're our own problem here yeah so. it's interesting you say that I I mostly. agree with that back to our boy Thomas. Jefferson who we're talking about. earlier uh he he had some wise words and. to try to say it as elegantly as he did.

I think the way he said it is the. government we elect is the government we. deserve and what he's saying is you know. what if you get it if you get the cess. pool that you want but you're the people. who elected him well you deserve it and. you earn your damnation and that's what. we've earned right now that's what. Thomas Jefferson would. say I think that that's mostly true. there's an intervening variable which is. the influence of money on politics which. is what I talked about earlier one of. those three eye openers The Gatekeepers. of American politic politics you see. they have a vested interest so why do.

those people keep getting elected it's. because they're propped up by people who. get something in return for propping. them uph right you wonder why certain. people might change their mind from one. position on the Ukraine war to another. or from one position on reauthorizing. fisa to another it's when they get the. phone call right get the phone call from. the people who provide their mother's. milk mhm money is the Mother's Milk of. politics when mommy calls you're not. going to get your milk unless you do. what's required and so in some ways yes.

it's up to us as the people to still see. through that we're the ones who fall for. the ads that were served up on cable. television or now on digital ads or. whatever yes there's a sheeplike element. to each of us as human beings but I. think there's a lion that lives within. each of us too and right now the inner. sheep has taken over so you're right I. am all in favor of every one of us. taking a long hard look in the mirror. and say if I'm complaining about the. media you can talk about politics with. the media too that only exists so long.

as we the people are bending the knee. and serving as customers to what they. say same thing as constituents to the. politicians who we elect we can complain. about them all we want part of the. problem is staring Us in the mirror what. is it that makes me want to behave like. a sheep rather than a lion what is it. that makes us want to bend the knee to. some Authority and I think there's a. deeper discussion to be had there when. faith and patriotism and family and hard. work and all the things that fill our s. of purpose disappear we as a people are.

lost and are just prone to bend the knee. to even self-harming behaviors that put. up politicians that act against our. interest so yes that's a deep discussion. and definitely half the story but the. other half of the story is the people. don't really get a choice when money's. the mother's milk of politics and the. people who they even hear about right. it's it's one thing to say that I heard. about two different candidates and I. chose this one and that's my fault. that's what Thomas Jefferson meant when. he said the government we elect is the. government we deserve it's another you. may not even hear about the people who. are trying to actually challenge the.

status quo cuz literally the system is. bought by the very people who are. hostile to your interests and I do think. that's a big part of what's happening in. both political parties for that matter. today it's not a Republican versus. Democrat point it's this managerial. class that has a Chokehold of the. government and every one of these other. institutions or universities much of. capital markets Corporate America the. financial sector the media that. managerial class versus the everyday.

citizen that's the real dividing line in. this country I saw it firsthand in many. ways running for US president I think. that that managerial class is what we're. going to have to really dismantle really. nuke that structure if we have a chance. of getting this country back how are you. going to do that yeah how are you going. to dismantle the the managerial class. well I can tell you how I uh would have. done it if I were if I were successful. in what I set out to do and you know I'm. hopeful that Donald Trump as the next.

president is going to be empowered to do. the same thing is you have to you can't. reform it I think the first thing is you. have to reject the myth of. Reform that's a hard thing to do reform. is a. myth think about well-intentioned people. to say okay here's how things are. running I want to go in and reform it. fill in the blank of it FBI. ATF. CDC fill threel alphabet soup EPA FDA.

SEC TSA God knows what the idea that you. can reform that Beast is a myth right. the way that Beast what Thomas Hobbs. called the Leviathan The. Monster the way they view elected. leaders is like cute little puppets that. come along every four years and in many. sense that's what elected leaders are. they behave that way they're puppets of. the people who provide the mother's milk. and so these bureaucrats view them the. same way these are cute little puppets. that come along every four years I was. here long before you arrive and I'm. going to be here long after you're gone.

and so they view that as a little bit of. An Inconvenient constraint like a. passing cloud in the skies maybe a. little bit of a rainstorm here but don't. worry the rainstorm will pass that's the. way they view elected leaders they say. we we're the ones who actually exercise. the real power so if that structure is. intact you can't reform it by saying I. don't know fire Christopher Ray what are. you what are you g to get you're GNA get. James Comey 2.0 it's the machine. Underneath Him that you can't take a. chisel to you got to take a chainsaw MH.

and does that have some costs it does. does that have some risks it does. actually absolutely it does are there. risks of inconveniences are there risks. of some disruptions to the status quo. yes you can take that risk and make that. sacrifice if you know what you're. sacrificing for it's the long run. existence of this country but that's. what it's going to take is a willingness. to not engage in incremental reform. because that's a myth but to engage in a.

wholesale raising of the managerial. apparatus but not a raising of the. Constitution I'm not saying throw that. out to the contrary that actually. revives our constitution three branches. of government with checks and balances. executive legislative judicial we don't. have to make it up we don't have to. reinvent the wheel we just have to. ReDiscover the one that already worked. for the first 250 years and so that's. the way you would do it Mass firings. fire not a few thousand Federal. bureaucrats I think of the 4 million.

Federal bureaucrats you know how many of. the president of the United States or. the new Administration appoints we're. talking like tens of thousands out of. like maybe 10 20 30,000 out of four plus. million the rest the conventional Dogma. has held are immune from being fired by. the US president think about that that. even the US president can't fire the. people who work for him well let me tell. you something somebody who's run. businesses any anybody else who's honest. who's run a business will tell you the. same thing if somebody some works for. you and you can't fire them that means.

they don't work for. you in some sense it means you work for. them because you're responsible for what. they do without any authority to. actually change it well it turns out if. you read the law carefully and. understand exactly how this works no the. president of the United States. absolutely can fire these employees the. reason they say they can't is because of. these rules called Civil Service. protections which say that I don't know. if you work at the FDA or the FTC or. what ever I can't fire you because I.

disagree with your view on abortion all. right say what you will about the rule. that's what the rules say you can't. politically. retaliate those rules do not apply to. mass firings right if you went in and. said every person whose social security. number ends in an odd number is out and. every person whose Social Security ends. in an even number at least in the first. round is in that's totally fine because. nobody can sue you then for civil rights. violation or for racial discrimination. or gender disperate impact or for.

political retaliation no all that's off. the table cuz it's a large wholesale. firing that's how you'd start large mass. firing across the board take certain. agencies that weren't really properly. authorized in the first place and needed. exist I'd put the ATF in this category I. put a lot I have a lot that I'd put in. this category who else would you put in. there I mean know there's a lot in this. category some boring ones food and. nutrition services FNS inside the. Department of Agriculture totally cap. captured a lot of lobbying interests I. mean think about what the kids are.

eating in schools it's the context of. just you know large food companies. capturing that system why do we need. that bureaucracy in the first place we. don't shut down FNS while we're on one. that starts with an F I think there a. good case for shutting down the FBI you. know does that mean we don't need. federal law enforcement no we of course. we need federal law enforcement but. let's reorganize it in a way that you. could take you know what is it it's it's. 80,000 Samad employees I got to get the. exact numbers um but we put together a. full plan you could take a certain. number of them moving to the US Marshals.

which haven't been tainted in the same. way actually have been far more. effective at going after child sex. trafficking cases hold on you would move. and move some subset of Agents agents on. the front lines because most of the. people who work at the FBI or back. office bureaucrats fire them send them. home but talking about the investigative. agents on the front lines move them to. the US Marshals which is just purely. focused on execution which has been far. more effective on execution on areas. like child sex trafficking move them to.

other departments for complex Financial. frauds there's a part of the US Treasury. that looks at this stuff it's called the. the financial crimes enforcement Network. that at least the people there have. expertise to smoke out the future sbfs. of the world and so the for the small. minority of people who are good people. on the front lines just executing the. job of enforcing the laws rather than. making them up move them to parts that. haven't been corrupted yet and they can. still enforce the federal laws that need. to exist but most of the structure you. can shut down shut down the Department. of Education you don't need thousands.

tens of thousands of bureaucrats in. Washington DC writing up the racial. Equity guidelines that public schools. have to follow as a condition for. getting Federal money the federal. government shouldn't be in the business. of dictating what those Public Schools. across the country do in the first place. shut it down return that money to the. people of this country think about the. 80 billion doll budget put that across. the states to back to the people of this. country so those are just examples of of. agencies in those cases ATF CD. FBI Department of Education clear plans.

for shutting them down wholesale and. doing in a smart way that doesn't hurt. people where if there's a sliver of what. they're doing that's necessary have it. subsumed in an existing part of at least. the government as the first step to make. it very practical so it's not some sort. of this isn't some theoretical fantasy. land this is something we can actually. achieve and then there's other agencies. where you could say okay well Congress. has authorized the existence of it fine. you could have a 75% headcount reduction. fire three qus of the people who work. there there's actually the most. important Supreme Court case of our.

lifetime came out in the last couple of. years it's called West Virginia versus. EPA all right and and people have missed. this in entirety but it's by far the. most important case if we use it in the. right way it basically held that certain. regulations at the EPA the Environmental. Protection Agency relating to the coal. industry are unconstitutional because. Congress never authorized the EPA to.

write those. regulations and it said if it relates to. a major question so it's known in the. law now What's called the major. questions Doctrine if it relates to a. major question a question relating to a. legal or constitutional right or. question that has a major economic. impact on people's lives if it's a major. question those three-letter agencies. don't have the power to write those. rules. anymore if that regulation of the EPA on. the coal industry fails that test and. the Supreme Court held that it did that.

means literally most federal regulations. are unconstitutional today literally the. majority of federal regulations that are. written governing how small businesses. to large businesses to individuals. operate most of them are literally. illegal under current law so how would. you go about changing that some of this. is shutting down agencies some of this. is firing three quarters I think it. could fire about three quarters of the 4. million people you could fire at least. three million of them that's part of how. you do it the other half is you know I. would take we had a clear plan for doing. this you know where I'd have been.

president to put an embed in each of. those agencies you could have someone. reporting into a central Hub so you got. the spokes in the agencies that are left. the Hub sitting in the White House to. say just enforce West Virginia versus. EPA identify every regulation ever. written by this agency and on day one. just say those are null and void. literally they're just nullified by. executive action they'll say is that New. York Times wrote an article on me when I. when I proposed a plan like this saying. the The Outsider businessman Longshot.

who would rule by Fiat that's not ruling. by Fiat what we've actually been doing. as a country is ruling by Fiat of the. executive branch of regulatory agencies. what I would do is roll that back using. the authority endowed by the Supreme. Court in the last couple of years in. this seminal case I know that got a. little Technical and a little bit in the. weeds but you asked how would we do it. that's how we do it it's very doable I. think president of the United States has. the power to execute it and on the back.

of that what do you have you got three. branches of government that is at. least reminiscent of recognizable as the. constitutional republic that our. founding fathers set into motion and and. I think that they they're right now. rolling over in their graves I mean what. you see America right now is a. bastardization of what our founding. fathers fought a revolution risking. their blood and their treasure risking. their lives losing their lives in many. cases. to declare independence from a British.

Monarchy that we've actually just. recreated that's really what this is is. a new monarchy in the form of this. administrative State and it's not it's. even more devious than oh they want to. oppress us and they're a tyranny that's. hostile to the interests of everyday. citizens we miss the point if we think. it's some sort of hostility to the. people the most devious part of this. game Sean is and it's going to sound. weird when I say it maybe but the most. devious part of of this game is the. people in that bureaucratic apparatus.

they're doing what they do not because. they believe they're hostile to you but. because they believe they're being. benevolent to you to us to We the People. right because the their view is we the. people could never be trusted to. self-govern MH to sort out the questions. on climate change or racial Equity or. the idea that you get to speak your mind. you get to say whatever the heck you. want an opinion whatever your opinion is.

you get to express that opinion no. matter how crazy that is that's crazy. talk a civilization can't flourish if. mere peons are able to express their own. opinions and have an equal voice at The. Ballot Box and if you look at most of. human history to be clear most of human. history agrees with them actually most. civilizations Old World Europe included. had that same view of ordinary human. beings that they couldn't be trusted to. self. but that's what made America great the.

first time around and so if we're going. to make America great again we got to. revive what made America great the first. time around and that's by embracing not. running away from but embracing some. rather radical 1776 principles and it's. that radicalism of 1776 it's not. moderation it's the radicalism of the. American. Revolution that actually unites this. country and it's going to re unite this. country if we have the courage to stand. up for it I'm with you how how close are.

you with Trump we've built a pretty good. relationship good we've gotten close. especially since the time I dropped out. of the race we've had a chance to spend. a lot more time together in the last few. months do you see look a lot of people. are calling you saying you would be a. great VP a lot of people want you in his. cabinet what do you think about that. that's a decision for Donald Trump to. make I mean I think the beauty of being. the US president is I think if well. you're. exercising the executive authority.

vested in you as I said to shut down. agencies fire millions of federal. bureaucrats but also choose who you want. to hire and he and I have had some great. conversations I want to be respectful of. the detailed conversations we've had but. you know I want to serve this country. and to have maximal impact in whatever. way I can and you know we've got a great. relationship and I think he's got some. you know great ideas in mind for how we. might be able to work together but I. think what he wants in a vice president. versus what he wants in a different. cabinet position those are decisions for. him to make and I'll make whatever. decision allows me to have the maximal.

positive impact I can on this country. where do you think you would have the. maximum positive impact well. um look I'll start with the basic. principle that people are most. successful in achieving what they're. passionate about right it's hard to. succeed at something that you have to. acquire a passion for start with where. you have passion knowledge and. capability and then use that and. different people people every one of us. has our own unique god-given gifts and.

yours aren't the same as mine that. aren't the same as anybody else right. everyone has their own unique gifts and. you know I think we just got to look. ourselves in the mirror as we're talking. about earlier and ask ourselves what. those gifts are and so you know for me. if I think about what am I passionate. about and what needs to get done in this. country and what needs to get done not. in some theoretical concept but like. needs to get done now I think there's. two things the next executive branch of. government can accomplish under Donald. Trump's leadership take me out of it but.

things that need to get done that can. get done and that I happen to be really. passionate about and knowing something. about one is how do you actually shut. down the border of this country secure. it once and for all and destroy the. incentive structure that we create. that's what it is an incentive structure. that we create to be here illegally and. deal with this issue of immigration once. and for all and I have a you know I. think a personal Dimension here to this. is I'm the kid of. legal immigrants who came to this.

country through the front door and I say. this as the kid of legal immigrants your. First Act of entering this country. cannot break the law and I think it is a. vestage of the deep state that accounts. for that I mean right now the reason. people are coming into this country. isn't because you have a shortage of. people who are chasing them down or. trying to go after them I've been to the. southern border it's our own government. actors that are rolling out the red. carpet Paving the way for what I will. call call a mass invasion of this. country so we talk about basic steps we.

can take like ending Birthright. citizenship for the kids of illegals. like moving our own military to the. southern border like ending all funding. for Central America until they've. blockaded their own borders each country. from Venezuela to the southern border of. Texas like ending Federal funding for. Sanctuary cities like mass deportations. of anybody who's in this country. illegally that's a that's a touchy. subject but you know what there's a. milli people over a million who have had. a final order of removal that means.

they've gone through the court system. there's no appeal left it's a final. order from the judicial system that. still are in this country right now Mass. deporting those people people who have. committed a crime start with that if you. have had the largest mass of influx of. illegal immigrants to this country in. American history logic says you have to. have the largest mass deportation in. American history using existing laws the. things I said don't require new laws. yeah they require existing legal. Authority so if you're talking about two. kinds of mass deportations if you will. Mass deportation of people who are in.

this country illegally and wreck the. incentive structure that they have to be. here in the first place and then a. different kind of deportation let's. Deport millions of federal bureaucrats. out of the federal government and Deport. many of those agencies by shutting them. down and Deport many of the Federal. Regulations by actually eviscerating. that those are I think the two. categories that certainly motivated my. candidacy for US president is restoring. the actual existence of our national. identity that includes the rule of law. through restoring basic border policies. and yes deportation policies to go along.

with it and then combine that with a a. deportation of the bureaucratic class. out of Washington DC through shutting. down the administrative State those are. the two things that I believe need to be. done that was that were the for me I'm. passionate enough about that were the. motivations for my candidacy for. president and putting me to one side. whatever role you know I may play I. believe that Donald Trump has the. capability and and The Willpower to be. able to still ACH. I think those are high on the.

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interested in appeasing both sides of. the aisle here by doing this I'm not. interested in appeasing anybody well in. in fact it will. require it's not appeasement isn't the. right word I'm interested in uniting. this country that's what I'm interested. in that's what I meant yeah I'm. interested in uniting the country not. appeasing somebody sitting on one side. of an aisle in Washington DC cuz that's. a broken. apparatus we think about United the. country that's what we're missing how do. you bring the right and the left.

together I don't think that the people. of this country on the tick the two. things that I just named right let's. just go go in sequence of those let's. start with the Border issues and the. immigration. issues so one of the things I did in the. campaign is I went to parts of the. country where traditional Republican. candidates don't go I think it was after. you and I spoke I went to the south side. of Chicago when you and I spoke last I. mean you know I came here oh yeah over a. year ago I went to the south side of. Chicago went to Kensington in the inner. city of. Philadelphia these are places where the.

political consultant class would tell. you you're wasting your time brother in. a Republican primary and maybe there's. some wisdom because I didn't end up. winning the race right but uh you know I. I um started at 0.0 and I ended up at. about 8% in Iowa and would have had 8%. in New Hampshire I dropped out before. New Hampshire because I wanted most of. that to I wanted all of that to go to. Trump and most of it did to end the. primary process but anyway advice. notwithstanding and maybe he could. debate whether I should have followed. the political advice I went to some. politically unconventional places.

because I was running to lead a nation. not some segment of a Nation or one. political party and I'll tell you some. interesting things I saw there I went to. the south side of Chicago what do we see. yeah a lot of people disagreed with me. challenged me to my face on they want. racial reparations I'm against it wasn't. easy to be in a room full of you know. 150% Democrat 95% black room that you. know clamoring with people in the. audience standing up what's your policy. on racial reparations one woman Midway. through my answer she just turns around.

from the microphone puts her back to me. and walks straight out of the room. that's the level of contentiousness we. had and yet when we get to the issue of. illegal immigration in this country it. turns out that they're turning. Southshore high school at the time I. visited into an encampment for migrants. at a cost of. $7,000 per migrant per month baby. formula sneakers no problem if you're an. illegal migrant you got a lot of people. in that Community Democrat sure on the.

left sure of one racial group that isn't. historically considered to be a. republican voting block sure who were. probably more in favor of my hard border. policies than many of the Republican. rooms that I've visited over the course. of the last two years because they're. rightly asking you know you say you're. America First what about me I say you. know what you have a point America First. includes all Americans black white. Democrat Republican gay straight all.

included the first and sole moral duty. of us elected leaders is to US citizens. and that includes the people who were in. that room who were rightly up in arms. about the way in which illegal. immigrants are being treated when. they're talking about the rule of law. and the breakage of the rule of law in. Chicago and criminals who need to be. arrested and I believe in all of that. they say isn't that a little. hypocritical when your own government is. the one turning our own high school into. an encampment for those migrants and by. the way many of them have the same view. that I did on Ukraine as well we're. forking over what 10020 billion dollar.

to some country Halfway Around the World. arguably one of the most corrupt Nations. on planet Earth if not at least among. so-called democratic nations and we're. sending our taxpayer money over there. when we could be using those same. resources including military resources. to secure our own border the absence of. which is creating an invasion that's. landed on our own doorstep and places. like the south side of Chicago to. Philadelphia to New York City so yes are. we going to unite the country absolutely. absolutely are we going to unite the. political class many of whom have vested. interests in the policies we're talking.

about here I mean you're not supposed to. say it this way but let's be honest when. you're talking about the Democratic. party apparatus no I'm not going to. bring that party apparatus along but am. I going to bring along their. constituents absolutely we will with. these policies because most Americans. agree that we are still Bound by the. rule of law that a nation Without. Borders is not a nation now the. Democratic party apparatus wants these. policies because. it's the hard. truth they're importing longrun voters.

right so it's no accident that the very. people who are in favor of open border. policies are also the same people who. happen by some massive coincidence it's. not a coincidence yeah but it's a. massive coincidence to be against voter. ID laws it's a totally separate issue. and if you go back to what Democrats. were saying back in 2013 they were. saying this publicly back then this is. part of securing lasting electoral. majorities now they've started they've. stopped talking about that as openly but.

there's a difference between being. bipartisan Reaching Across the aisle in. Washington DC to the bureaucratic. managerial class which is not our goal. and ought not be our goal versus uniting. the country of Americans who have. diverse views on a lot of things but. still share the same basic values 80% of. us do in this country I strongly believe. that that's important to me that's a. goal and same thing with flushing the. administrative State the same thing I. don't care if you're a Democrat or. Republican the people who we elect to.

run the government ought to at least be. the ones who run the darn government. that much we can agree on and by the way. that you're free to speak your mind on. you you may disagree with me on abortion. or climate change or policy whatever it. is and we can disagree like hell but you. have the right to say it without some. government actor in the Deep State. threatening a social media company to. silence or suppress what you have to say. and we agree on that even as we disagree. like hell on any range of other policy. questions tax rates to energy policies. in this. country I think that that's how we.

actually unite the country I don't think. we're going to unite the country. through moderation through the idea of. you know let's say there's a football. field showing up at the 50 yard. line reach stretch hold hands and sing. Kumbaya at most you're going to get the. people who are at the 30 yard line over. to the middle I want to unite the whole. country the entire football field but. the way we're going to do that is. Reviving the Common Thread that unites. that whole country and one of the things.

I have appreciated and I've you know to. be respectful the conversations I've had. with President Trump but in the last. couple of months certainly and we've. been you know had an opportunity to. spend a lot of time in the last few. months one of the elements of his. message that I have loved hearing from. him publicly is he's been saying this. consistently on the campaign trail and I. think it lands it lands with me for sure. but I think it lands with people across. this country country who were like me. who have our views but want to see a. United Country success will be our.

Vengeance right success is unifying and. I think that Joe Biden is a guy who. pledged to unite the country but failed. to do it that actually opens up a new. opportunity for president Trump not only. to accomplish the kinds of things that. he did in. 2016 but to unite the country while. doing it and I think it's one of the. things that once people in this country. know that we care about National Unity. that it's an objective we care about not. that we're going to use that as some. sort of excuse to sacrifice on our.

principles but to the contrary we're. going to embrace our principles because. we believe that's what's going to unite. us as a country that I think actually. alone has the power of achieving a Unity. that we're missing is. just authentically gesturing towards. Unity I think will be a huge leap that. Donald Trump can take as the next. president to unite this country Donald. Trump talks about the importance of. national Unity talks about the. importance of success as unifying of.

channeling our Vengeance into success. and unifying this country through. success which he has been doing which I. think is a good thing if he continues to. do that through not only winning the. election but governing that alone I. think will go miles towards healing this. country and turning the page on you know. a chapter where here's where I'd love to. be in in a year or two as a. country to be able to look look back at. the last 5 years maybe longer and just.

all of us take a big step back and say. boy do we screw some things up boy did. we actually censor speech that could. have actually stopped us from locking. down schools and messing up a generation. of young people in their social. interactions or even killing people who. didn't get medical care because we were. supposedly stopping another epidemic and. stopped you from arguing about it or to. say man we really spent a lot of money. on some Foreign Wars that increased the. risk of greater global conflict when we. got actual security issues to address. here at home and you know even though we.

might disagree we started hating each. other for our disagreements as opposed. to acknowledging our right to be able to. air those disagreements and you know we. we used to be a country where the best. person got the job and you know we. screwed up in the 1800s where the best. person couldn't get the job because they. had black skin and now we're screwing it. up because they can't get the job. because they have white skin boy we. screwed some things up over our 250. years as a country our 250th anniversary. as a country is 2026 right so maybe. heading into that anniversary that's. what we might be saying is over the last.

250 years but even over the last 5 years. we screwed a lot up. but here's what we're going to do is. we're going to acknowledge that and. we're going to have our leaders that. acknowledge it and say that there's. still some basic principles that unite. us As Americans and we're not going to. dilute them we're going to embrace them. and that's how we're going to turn the. page on this ugly chapter in our history. and move forward as one nation still. married to each other as Citizens in a. relationship as Citizens rather than a.

national divorce which I think is. otherwise where this road ends let's go. back to the. Border would you make it easier for the. for the would you make the immigration. process lighter. easier depends on for who I think we got. to operate as a championship team and. the mentality of a championship team is. we want the very best. to play on our team so if you're a. sports team you want to go out and. recruit the very best so do I want to do.

that as a country absolutely I mean Elon. Musk guy who's responsible for a lot of. value Creation in the United States of. America to say the least and many others. like him we wouldn't have those people. if they did not immigrate to this. country and want to be here because. we're the place where the Champions come. so for people who have actual value to. add to this country and it's not just a. bunch of Tech Guys in Silicon Valley I'm. talking about I'm talking about across. our economy to add value not just to our. economy but to our culture Civic. commitments you know the citizenship.

test on the back end to become a citizen. to be able to be a voting citizen I'd. bring that up to the front end to say. you know if you're entering this country. on any kind of Visa program you got to. know the basics about this country you. got to really pledge allegiance to this. country but if you're selecting for. skills loyalty and a commitment to the. Civic nationalist vision for what it. means to be an American then the very. best and brightest of those I think we. do make it too difficult for them to be. here I met a guy I'm I'm a tennis. fanatic of sorts but I played tennis.

when I was in South Florida last time. with a guy who was he's a great guy. played in the Pro Tour he was on he was. number one on Princeton's tennis team I. think for four years even from his. freshman year onward he's like a concert. level pianist he can do a Rubik's Cube. in a matter of what 30 seconds it's kind. of like a genius type as you know we our. institutions have educated went to. Princeton went to Harvard Business. School he's working in real estate. investing smart guy The Firm that. employs him loves him he's been. over a decade waiting to get a green. card in this country so that guy if he.

asked me well as he did you you have any. advice on how to speed this up I. couldn't give him the best advice but. the best cynical advice I could give. would have been you know what sadly our. country's laws are such that you have a. better chance of having a path to. citizenship if you just catch a flight. to Mexico and cross the southern border. and that's a broken system yeah so I. think in certain cases yes but I do. think that should we make it easier to. immigrate here on grounds of Asylum no. should mass chain migration be easier.

just to say that okay if you're some. distant relative and somebody who was. part of the championship team came over. that your you know great uncle's sister. also gets to come here because you're. part of the same family no that's chain. migration I don't think that should be. easier than it is now and the question. is what types of immigration Advance. this country's National interest and so. the way I look at immigration policy is. the way I look at every. policy what policy including immigration. policy you could fill in the blank I. could say foreign policy you could say.

Economic Policy but you're talking about. immigration so let's talk about. immigration policy what immigration. policy best advances the interests of. the. citizens who are already here that. should be the question and is there some. level of immigration and some kind of. immigration that better advances the. interests of our own citizens yes there. is pursue that are there types of. immigration that don't Advance the. interests of our own citizens here yes. there we should limit that to zero. starting with the most abrasive form of.

all which is illegal immigration across. our Southern and Northern border in this. country want to I want to switch switch. subjects here I want to talk about the. barge or the container ship that hit. that bridge in Baltimore what what do. you think that was so I'm never want to. speculate Sean I'm always tied to facts. I will say that it. was just start with an obvious thing we. could. say it's bizarre that we just watch.

something like that happen shrug our. shoulders and say hey that's life in the. United States of America and by the way. that there was you you watched that. video it was sort of you I'm sure you. watch if you're asking me about it you. must have watch the video it. was it was disconcerting it was truly. bizarre and to be able to just turn the. page on that and say oh. yeah you know nothing to see here at. Baltimore we got your back and we're. going to help you rebuild build whatever. that means and then we're all just. supposed to move on and feel secure as a. country man thank you for thank you I I.

woke up I saw that first thing maybe. 5:00 a.m. tweeted about it got called a. conspiracy theorist right away I said. this was probably on purpose and and. then I deleted it cuz I was like man. maybe I don't know maybe I'm jumping the. gun here but black box goes out right. before it hits they lose electricity it. turns and you know. every every time we H we see a mass. shooter in the US right we got to wait.

we got some sometimes a week before it's. this is who it was but within a matter. of hours we get oh no this is we know. for loss electricity so I'm not I'm not. going to speculate right because I don't. have the. information I'm always tied to I've said. I say some things that often challenge. conventional norms and wisdom but. whenever I do I'm grounded to facts I. don't have those facts here mhm but what. I will say is it is beyond bizarre that. we just accept as a country right now.

even just at the level of mediocrity. accepting that oh this is just something. normal that happens in the United States. of America and we're supposed to just. turn the page as though it didn't happen. without asking deep and hard questions. of how the heck is it that we're now. living according to Third World results. from let's just take the look at the. third worldom of the United States right. now you got a party in power that's. using prosecutorial power to arrest a. political opponent in the middle of an. election that's also trying to have him. removed from a ballot in certain states.

in the middle of a presidential election. that's a country where you got barges. crashing into Bridges bridges come. tumbling down trains that go off the. tracks chemical spills in places like my. home state in Ohio all of which were. just supposed to throw our hands up in. the air and accept that this is the new. America crime wave like we've never seen. in this country an open border with 10. million illegal people are coming in a. mass migration across this country yet. military resources being directed. somewhere halfway around the world yeah. is that is that the America that our. founding fathers envisioned or set into. motion no it's not it's the stuff of.

third world banana republics and so at. least at that base level to say that. when you see something like that happen. in Baltimore that your reaction is just. supposed to be okay nothing to see here. move on and let's continue pretending. like that didn't happen as opposed to. just reflecting on where we are as a. country at minimum forget any other. specific speculation about what did or. didn't happen there at minimum asking. ourselves what the heck happened here. and what the heck is going on in our. country country is the right reaction. rather than just apathy how the so with.

that being said there I mean there's. been a me nobody trust the government. nobody trusts government how do you how. do you start to how do you start to. gain people's confidence back in the US. in in the government well I think people. should always be skeptical of the. government so I would say never trust. the government but we've been given a. reason to systematically distrust. everything we're told by the government. M first answer is just start telling the. truth start best way to tell the truth. is admit the mistakes you've made I.

think we would go a long way in this. country if you. have say president of the United States. and then a counterpart in the media who. does the same thing let's take the media. example I say the same thing for the. president to look the people of this. country in the eye and to tell them we. in the case of the media or in the case. of the president representing the. country you think about being a. president is it's not about you it's. about your represent in the country you. inherit the past you're leaving the. entire nation so to look the people in.

the country in the eye and say we the. government we've lied to you for a long. time we've lied to you about a lot of. things here's what we've lied about. here's the truth of what we know here's. the truth about what we don't. know think about the origins of covid-19. how much we we're systematically lied to. think about what we do or don't know. about topic X that you're not supposed. to talk about could fill in the blank. for what it is MHM Ian a Hot Topic in. the last year for Congressional hearings. has been uaps whatever it is here's what.

we know here's what we don't know and. here's where we told you something false. even though we knew it was. false and I'm sorry we did it and you. think here's why here's why it's never. going to happen again and by the way you. shouldn't trust me right now but we have. to earn back your trust and the way. we're going to do it is to just tell the. truth again to the people of this. country believing that you can handle. the truth if you have a president looks. at people in this country in the eye and. delivers that message and just one.

member of the traditional media that. systematically goes back through the. last 10 years and say hey we lied to you. in the case of the media that's a. business opportunity right there they. would cash capture massive market share. right out the gate if you have a media. organization that had the guts and the. gall to step up and say we screwed up. here's why we screwed up and here's what. we're going to do to fix it and don't. trust us yet but we're going to have to. earn your trust back that would go Leaps. and Bounds to reuniting this country and. at least beginning to rebuild trust in. this country as.

well what about holding some of these. bad players accountable publicly oh I. think that that's going to be required. as an alternative I mean I was who would. you start with well I would start with. government actors who have violated the. law I mean take any government actor who. has systematically lied intentionally. lied about what they knew or didn't know. about the origin of covid-19 or about. the risks of rushing vaccines to Market. or whatever it is knowing something and. then intentionally lying or trying to. cover it up as a government actor that's.

a violation of the law and so if we're. talking about restoring the rule of law. at the southern border which I favor and. I will not budge on we shouldn't make an. exception for somebody who happens to. you know be addressed as uh doctor. before they're addressed just because. they came out of the NIH or wherever. else in federal bureaucracy if they. violated the law in the same way they. deserve to be held accountable in the. same way that any other citizen who. violates the law is also held. accountable and so I'd start there with. government actors who have violated the. law I think in the private sector. there's room for some level of.

leadership here. where people owning this through honesty. I think would go a long way so I. actually I was at the UFC 300 fight this. last weekend great day by the way a lot. of good fights uh that day but I was. sitting right up there cage side and. Mark Zuckerberg was there too so we we. had a we had a chat in between some of. the fights he's into fighting. and whatever I'll just spill the beans. and share what we talked about but yeah. he was telling me something to the. effect of uh he was said uh he's really.

he's really into MMA and so he said you. know we' become so neutered as a country. right why why shouldn't we just Embrace. that we have these human instinct I love. I love I've grown to like MMA quite a. bit so I was like yeah I agree with you. okay we're all sitting here watching UFC. and talking about how great it is to. watch UFC and we've become neutered as a. country I said well what what about that. with respect to speech how do you feel. about that and then he kind of paused. for a second he said what do you mean I. said well I think you'd actually make.

the same argument for just saying that. you get to say what you want in this. country we become too neutered by trying. to have Central moderators of who. decides what you can and can't say and. you know his response was well look I'm. actually a lot more pro- free speech. than people might know and I've actually. known a lot of his own Tendencies I. believe that's actually probably true. it's about bending the knee and buckling. the pressure and so what I told him and. and he said he would think about it is. hey listen man I think you could. actually do a service to this country if. you just came out if it was in your.

heart if you actually meant it if you. say you're Pro free speech and you. actually mean it to just say hey I. screwed up you know what locking Donald. Trump out of an account a major. president of the United States and now. presidential candidate to say that the. decision to silence somebody and. suppress them even if I agree or. disagree with what they had to say was. making the decision under pressure under. forces of pressure where a lot of people. were buckling to outside pressure we. become neutered as a country and all of. us are subject to that kind of pressure. and some of us screwed up and I screwed. up and if I were to make that same.

decision again I wouldn't make the same. decision if you said that I think that. would have a therapeutic effect on the. country that's a form of accountability. the best kind of accountability is where. you actually own it for yourself and I. think people in this country I think. it's part of our human nature we have. there's a part of us that wants. Vengeance but there's also part of us. that is hungry to forgive actually I. think that that's one of the Christian. values that the nation was founded on. it's a founding value of judeo-christian. value it's a founding value of this. country it's a value of many faiths.

across the world it's something in our. nature that opens our heart to. forgiveness but it. requires somebody who deserves to be. held accountable to be the first person. to hold themselves accountable if. they're that person I think that goes a. long distance too and so if a guy like. Mark Zuckerberg you know that was the. extent of our conversation I think he. left it off saying he think end that's. where it ended yeah that where it ended. weird but but you know you know whether. whether it's a member of the press at.

CNN whether it's you know a guy who. leads a large platform like meta whether. it's a US president even if it's not. Donald Trump saying I screwed up but we. screwed up as a country and we're. talking together leading this entire. nation that we as a federal government. have screwed up for the last 20 years. and I'm saying this not to blame. somebody else but I'm saying this on. behalf of the government of the United. States to apologize to the people of the. systematic lies that we have told you. not me as an individual but we as. Leaders of this country have told you.

for the last 20 years but I'm saying it. with the goal of saying we want to turn. the page and move on as one nation under. God that's a separate discussion for. another day I think the forl isation of. God in our culture I think is something. that has left people hungry for purpose. too but if we come back to just. admitting those failures that's I think. the best form of accountability rather. than one side having to extract that V. from the other but that does require a. level of self-awareness I think that. does require a level.

of authenticity and Temperance and I. think of most leaders of technology. companies I think Elon Musk has done a. great service by bringing a competitive. Dynamic to the table that paves the way. for this m but if the likes of you know. the uh leaders of Google and YouTube and. Facebook countless other platforms. stepped up to the plate and say hey we. got it wrong and here's where we got it. wrong and not in some fake sort of faux. humble kind of way to check the box and.

move on but in a real way and have. behaviors that then reflect that they. mean it I think that's far better. than Trials of prosecution for you know. breakages of the rule of law in ways. that challenge legal theories to push. those prosecutions it may may be. required at a certain point in time that. you require legal accountability. certainly for government actors who. violated the law I think that that's. warranted but to take it then the next. step how great would it be if we. actually had a culture of leaders of.

those institutions just admitting their. mistakes doing it honestly changing. their behavior in a way that's credible. not some fake admission but a real. admission of. accountability I think that would be a. long way that people even outside of. politics you know leaders like. Zuckerberg could actually do a great. service to this country if they actually. owned the mistakes they'd made and. changed their behaviors accordingly on. their own and I think we have an. opportunity where. I don't I don't rule that out I'm not. I've not lost Hope on that happening I.

think it's actually a cascading effect. right if you imagine Donald Trump. winning in a decisive Landslide as I. believe is. possible assuming the mantle saying that. you know what I'm not going to. compromising the principles I ran on. we're going to enforce the rule of law. we're going to seal that southern border. if you're in this country illegally I'm. not going to just become moderate. because I go into Washington DC I'm. going to deport people who are in this. country illegally so I'm going to do. what we told you we're going to do but. our goal on the other side of that is. actually to unite the citizens who are. here behind the common values and.

purpose of what it means to be. American I think that that leaves space. for a lot of the Bad actors to then take. a page for that Playbook and at least a. certain number of them to reveal. themselves not to have been bad actors. but maybe even good people who took bad. actions and if we give ourselves the. space to at. least not put people in such a corner. sometimes put somebody in a corner. they're stuck having to only.

behave in the corner you've put them. right but if you give people the space. to come out of the corner they feel. trapped in and I feel like a lot of the. media does this to Republican candidates. all the time but I think it can happen. across the board is if you put somebody. in a corner and give them the only. choice they become the demon that you. force them to be and I think that if we. give people the latitude to maybe admit. error and correct course I think that. would be a preferred way of Reviving and.

rebuilding this country and I think we. can do it I got another question we only. have 10 minutes left I'm in all right. it's a tough one you're probably not. going to like it but do you have any. apprehensions about Trump taking the. presidency if he does let's take Biden. out of the equation I think I think the. majority of the country knows he's. incompetent or completely controlled. whatever he's a disaster he's a buffoon. let's replace him with somebody that I I.

don't I think there's a good chance by. the way it's not going to be Biden for. the reasons you mentioned so as a side. note I think one mistake that we're all. making MH and I've shared my opinions. with leaders in the Republican party. I've shared my opinions with President. Trump is we got to be careful not to. fall into this trap of complacency and. you're a military guy it's like the. equivalent of a faint right you know. faint is you lead your opposition to a. Target that's not the real Target for. there's a real operation that isn't the. one that you're being led to follow well.

that's exactly looks a lot like what's. happening to me is make the entire. Republican party's focus and platform. and fundraising and everything focused. on beating Biden what a great way to get. to July or August and then find out that. actually all of that political financial. and messaging Capital was wasted and you. have three months before somebody who. then actually doesn't go through a. difficult vetting process to be the. person they try to trot in so. they prop up I think Michelle Obama is. is not crazy and how would they do that.

without bringing Kamala in his president. well I think that Michelle Obama. actually is a great way around that. problem right it'd be it'd be Joe Biden. stepping aside for making Michelle Obama. the nominee which is how they solve. their CA problem they have a CA problem. right now is you got a black woman who. is occupying the seat of number two seat. in a party that has defined itself based. on race and gender identity policy. politics yeah so if they were to. sideline her as the obvious number two. for someone like a Gavin Newsome that.

they bring in I think they've bought. themselves an identity politics problem. a white man for a white man CIS straight. white man for a CIS straight white male. Michelle Obama is a very elegant. solution to that problem and you could. say so could be agran Whitmer as long as. you're checking one of the boxes I think. that they have enough air cover to do it. right but I think that that's the that. that would be the play if it was Gavin. Nome they could keep Michelle they could. keep uh Harris in the VP seat I you know. she may or may not go for that but that. assumes that she and Joe Biden have any.

say in the matter part of what you're. seeing with the hunter investigations. with a lot of the other investigations. swirling around Joe Biden is that's part. of that's leverage right that they have. on him behind closed doors and maybe. less relevant is not just Joe but also. Jill who is probably the figure who's. even. more emphatically committed to making. sure that Biden doesn't move and there's. also managerial class around them it's. not one managerial class there's faction. many of whom have a vested financial. interest to say if they're proximal to. the president some of those people might.

lose their proximity to the presidencies. it's if a different figurehead that. comes in so there'll be competing. factions but all I'll say for right now. is play this forward I think there is. still a decent likelihood that it's not. Biden that we're actually running. against but you you you asked a. different. question I want to give you my concerns. yeah that I saw I saw flip on Bud Light. I read an article the Federalist that. says he flipped on Bud Light and that. they're not that woke and gave some. [ __ ] on oh well they hire veterans.

well every major company in the US P's. [ __ ] veterans so that's not an excuse. we got a lot of veterans the next thing. I saw which was about two weeks later. was uh the Tik Tock thing which I know. you don't think we should ban T. different grounds I can talk to you. about I do okay I think we should ban. it and the last one I saw was him saying. that he's buddies with XI jingping and. that he wants to bring Chinese Auto. manufacturing into the country to supply. Americans with jobs but China has more.

industrial robots than anybody in the. world so that wouldn't be a major. manufacturing job for Americans yeah so. I just want to say one word about you. think look at most of the apps and many. of the major apps in the App Stores not. just Tik Tok are Chinese apps and many. of the user data transfers to China are. actually coming from us companies so. where you and I are may not be that. different which is I say ban the. Behavior okay any Force data transfer to. the CCP ban it any turnover of CCP.

interference in what a company does in. the United States of America ban that. make that a crime in the United States. of America the irony of that is that's. going to ens snare not just one Chinese. company that's going to end up ins. snaring a lot of us companies too and. that's why there's reluctance to take. that broad of an approach because a lot. of companies in Silicon Valley. supposedly American companies would. actually be guilty of the same behavior. so in some sense I would would go far. further to actually solve the problem as. opposed to using this thing of people. haven't given a damn about the threat.

that China proposes somehow signing up. for this it's I view it's a skeptical. charade and a sideshow but put that to. one side back to your question look I. ran for president for a reason right I I. believe that we should be uncompromising. about the ideals that made this country. great the first time around and that's. actually how we're going to unite the. country not through some sort of median. compromise approach that being said. I do think that you know is is is any of. us perfect as a human being or as a.

leader no we're Fallen human beings okay. that's what makes us human and not Gods. but I do think that unambiguously Donald. Trump is going to be the best. person in the race certainly by far to. lead this country forward and I think. he's going to be not a good president. but I think he has the potential to. be a president of the second term even. greater than the one that he was in the. first I think he had a great first term. I said on the debate stage I think he's. the best president we've had in the 21st. century people really turned their heads.

at that one so wait a minute let's just. go down the list George Bush Barack. Obama Donald Trump and Joe Biden it's. not even close who was the best. president of the 21st century it was. Donald Trump and that was in his first. term and I think in that second term I. truly believe he has an opportunity to. go further because he has like any human. being would learned a lot from that. first term he came in as I would have as. an. outsider with that experience in the. government but has learned and I've seen. this in my conversation with them. learned a lot from that experience I.

think some of that even in my. conversations I've learned a lot from. him that are a little bit different from. what my understanding might have been. looking from the outside in in terms of. how he made some of those decisions and. I think he's learned from a lot of those. experiences and is ready to go now to. the next level of even more effectively. administering that agenda I mean think. about the way that they're thinking. really ahead to transitioning with a. running start rather than time around. where it was a lot more difficult he was. hamstrung in the first two years of that. presidency by a Russia gate.

investigation that was effectively made. up nonsense out of a Hillary Clinton. provided steel dossier that impaired his. ability to govern for those first two. years I think those Lessons Learned. create the potential for a second term. that will be more successful than the. first but I can't speak for anyone but. myself I'm going to do whatever I can to. make sure that second term and that he's. first of all most successful in getting. there in winning it by decisive margin. and second of all when he gets there to. be one of the most successful presidents.

in American history I think that's truly. what he has the potential to do with a. guy who has the right America First. division who has four years of. experience with a great first term under. his belt now a decisive National. Reckoning I think against a failed. president and Biden that could give. Trump the Mandate not just in the. executive branch but even in Congress. and the Senate to implement AG an agenda. in those first 12 months do I believe. that he has the potential to be one of. the most successful presidents in. American history in that second term I.

do actually and you know I'm not going. to be I'm never a guy who just sort of. likes to we're sitting in an armchair. now but you know pontificate in an. armchair about what could or couldn't be. concerns I want to figure out what are. each of us myself included able to do to. make sure that we actually achieve that. success and you know I think I've been. really really encouraged by the. conversations I've had with President. Trump this one's public or he made it. you know public in one of his speeches.

so I you know feel free to talk about it. is take New Hampshire I had just dropped. out of the race I was talking to him. backstage before one of the speeches he. gave in New Hampshire I think this gives. me a lens that really sees a different. dimension of Donald Trump than you would. just get from the media we're talking. about the Perils of a central bank. digital currency in the United States of. America you're familiar with this issue. yeah and. I think that Donald Trump's response. when I brought that up to him backstage. I said listen I think this could be. something woven into your platform was.

an important part of my platform is the. opposition to a central bank digital. currency what many professional. politicians would do would try to. memorize the acronym and you even see. some other Republicans who ran for. president you take this approach and you. know we'll leave that where it is cbdc. I'm against I don't know what it is but. I'm against it versus Donald Trump who. was very honest says what the hell is. that tell me what that is and we discuss. it and he says okay well why do they. want to do it then well that's a guy who.

then wants the best Arguments for the. other side he processes it doesn't come. to a decision on the spot asks a couple. of other people around him what their. perspectives were thinks about it goes. on stage doesn't talk about it that. night now a few nights later he goes. back out on stage and he's clearly. talked to more people in the intervening. period and said tonight I am pleased to. announce that I am opposed to the. creation of a central bank digital. currency in the United States and in New. Hampshire you have a very educ ated. primary voter base that went nuts they. were cheering for him because they knew. that was the right position for him to.

adopt and you know he's also a guy who I. I don't I I don't need the credit for. this but on stage just says hey this. came out of my conversation with vas. Swami a couple nights ago and so that. just defies everything the mainstream. media says about this guy that he's some. sort of dogmatic leader who doesn't. listen to the people around him what I. see is actually the exact opposite of. that somebody who wants the best ideas. to win somebody who is interested in. getting the thing done rather than just. to take credit for it that's actually. the Donald Trump I've seen behind closed.

doors and I think the more of the. country is able to see that the more. successful he's going to be not just in. winning this election but to have the. kind of mandate from the people of this. country to do the right thing now is any. leader is any leader myself or any other. CEO or across this country influenced by. the people around them of course they. are so I think it's really important. that the president of the United States. have both the right head on his. shoulders but also the right people. around them and I think that that was. also one of the learnings from that. first term is they had a lot of.

different kinds of people around them in. that first term and what I see for Trump. and the team around him now is they're. laser focused on making sure the people. who they staff the next Administration. with are really aligned with his vision. and his agenda and I think that's. critical and I think if they get that. right and I think they will that second. term is going to be one of the great. terms of any president in US history. fair enough well I appreciate it. V I hope to see you in there man he's. going to need a guy like you in that. cabinet if he wins so best of luck to.

you whatever is required for the country. man we're going to we're going to do it. and it's good to be back with you right. on thanks for coming thanks. [Music]. man no matter where you're watching sha. Ryan Show from if you get anything out. of this please like comment subscribe. and most importantly share this.

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