Tim Tebow - Fighting For Our Children | SRS #199

[Music]. Tim Tibo, welcome to the show, man. Thank you so much. Thank you for having. me. And I also want to say thank you so. much for your service. Oh, thank you for. saying that. I uh I I genuinely really. mean it. I know um sometimes those that. have served here at different places and. they could take it as, oh, it's just a. catchphrase we're supposed to say. Um, I. hope you know how much it means to to me. and so many people. Um, truly from the.

bottom of my heart, we're grateful. Yeah, that means a lot. Thank you. And. thank you for everything you're doing. We're going to dive into it, but I just. want to say it's it's an honor to have. you sitting here and uh very surreal and. my whole team is just ecstatic that this. is happening and and uh we got a lot of. good stuff we're going to dive into. Can't wait. Thank you for having me. It's my pleasure. Like I said, it's an. honor. But um but yeah, so I want to do. a life story on you and then and with.

the focus being towards the end with. everything that you have going on right. now with the Tim Tibo Foundation and all. the good stuff that you're pumping into. the world, it's just it's amazing, man. I mean, my parents volunteer for the. organization. They do the the prom night. to shine. Come on. I love it. They've. done it for a couple years now. Let's. go. Where at? Down in uh down in. Florida. Awesome. On the west coast. Tell them thank you so much. I will. I. will. They're ecstatic. I love it. But. uh everybody starts off with an intro. here.

So here we go. Tim Tibo, born to. missionary parents in the Philippines. Your faith has identified you since. childhood. Two-time national champion. football player and Heisman Trophy. winner is a quarterback at the. University of Florida. John 3:16 on your. eyeblack led to over 93 million Google. searches for the verse during your. second BCS championship game and 91. million searches after your NFL playoff. victory. What does that verse mean to.

you? Um, wow. We're getting deep from. the start. I like it. Um, that verse means to me it's if. you're going to sum up the love of the. gospel, which I really believe when we. talk about the gospel that it is the. greatest love story rescue mission of. all time, is that there is a God that. loves us so much that he sent his son to.

put on flesh to live a life we couldn't. live but choose to die a death that we. deserve to die as a ransom for us as the. propitiation meaning the payment that. satisfies and that payment was his life. and when we look at John 3:16 for God so. loved the world he gave because he loved. us so much with this love that honestly. it's hard to even fathom but when we.

talk about that love in the Greek they. have four types of love but the most. admirable form of love that love is. agape love. And the best definition of. agape love is to choose the best. interests of another person and act on. their behalf. And Jesus chose our best. interest. And he acted on our behalf. And he went to the. cross, not just for us, but instead of. us. And he loved us so much that he gave.

his one and only son, that whosoever. would believe in him would not perish, but have everlasting life. Man, I know. we put it on bumper stickers and and eye. blacks and signs and games and. everything, but we can't lose the. essence of the in the heart of what that. means. That there's a God that created. all of this and spoke it into existence. like this. And yet that God with all. knowledge and all power would say, "I. love you so much that I'm going to give.

what's so precious for me and my son, and I'm going to give him in exchange. for you because I love you that. much." So when you think about John. 3:16, it's. um there's no greater love. That's. beautiful. That's beautiful. Thank you. first round NFL draft pick who led the. Denver Bron Broncos to a playoff. victory. Five times New York Times. best-selling author, a broadcaster, a.

former professional baseball player, a. philanthropist who's turned every. platform into a pulpit for serving. others, the founder of the Tim Tibo. Foundation, a global force fighting the. most. vulnerable, fighting for the most. vulnerable, bringing faith home. There's. a big difference. Sorry about that. Not at all. Actually, can I tell you this funny story about. that? Yeah. So, I've never I've never. told this before, but um several years.

ago, we were having a night to shine in, uh Vatican City and in Rome, and um uh. the Pope um uh invited us over to um say. hello and talk a little bit about Night. to Shine. And so, um, we're showing him. videos of Night to Shine and serving all. of the kings and queens at Night to. Shine. And so, uh, my wife's showing him. some of the videos and that I'm sharing. And then, um, one of our awesome, um,

uh, team leads for ministry, um, she is. just a rock star. And so then he starts. asking her a question and she responds, "It is just our greatest joy and we love. getting the chance to fight people with. special needs." And his interpreter is. like, "Should do you want me inter?" And. she's like, "No, no, I mean fight for. people with special needs. Fight for.". And so you can see his interpreter is. like, "Wait, do you really want me to. tell the boat that you fight people with. special needs?" It was awesome. We just.

cried laughing so long after that. I'm. glad I'm not the only one that's messed. this up. But um there is a big difference. I love. it. Bringing faith, hope, and love to. over 100 million children around the. world. A warrior in the fight against. human trafficking. Championing the. Renewed Hope Act to rescue tens of. thousands of unidentified children from. the horrors of sexual exploitation. You're a husband to Demi Lee, soon to be. a father. Congratulations.

And most importantly, you are an. unapologetic evangelist of Jesus Christ. So before we we get into the. interview, I would just be honored to. pray with you. Yeah. So if you could. lead that, that would be amazing. Love. to. Let's pray. Um good and gracious. heavenly father, we love you so much. We. love you because you first loved us. We. love you because you gave your all and.

you gave your best for us and we are. just so undeserving and unworthy and I. am so undeserving and so unworthy and. just failed you so many times and yet um. you still love us and you still want to. be in relationship with us and you. forgive us and you reconcile us and you. bring us into your family and we can't. even fully comprehend your love for us. but we just say thank you so much and. we're so humbled. And we also ask that that love that you. have bestowed on us would also be a love.

that we would bring to the world. That. we would share with the world. That we. would choose the world's best interest. and act on their behalf. That when we. would see the world, we wouldn't see. people through the differences, but we. would see them for what we have in. common. And what we have in common most. is that when you went to the cross, it. counted for all of us. And I thank you. for this time together. Um, I thank you. for Sean and um and the impact that that. he is making. I thank you for the. platform that he has and the stories. that he tells and um the heart that he.

has. I ask that you would put a wall of. protection around him around his body or. his mind his future um and that he would. continue to influence people to um to. love to good deeds to ministry to to. things that are going to last. Thank you. for his service um for our country that. his service for the most vulnerable um. to protect and defend um and secure. And. we are just so grateful um and we know. that um there's no greater love than.

those that would lay down their life for. a friend. Um and so we thank you for. him. We thank you for his team. We ask. you to bless them and put a wall of. protection around them. And once again, we say thank you for who you are and. what you've done. We love you in Jesus. name. Amen. Amen. I would just like to. to add one thing. Just please use this. platform to to amplify everything that. Tim and his team are bringing to the. world. And and there's a lot. of unfortunate kids that are going. through horrific times right now. And I.

hope that they at least get a glimpse of. this to know that there is hope in the. world for them and that that people are. fighting for them. Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Thank you, brother. Thank you. That felt. amazing. So, couple more things before. we get into it. Everybody gets a. gift. Vigilance League gummy bears. Come. on. Legal in all 50 states. There's no. funny stuff in there. It's just candy.

that's horrible for you. So, they might. be illegal here pretty soon with RFK. I. knew that you gave gifts and so we have. something for you. Oh, man. Thank you so. much for this. I appreciate it. and your. packaging is awesome. Thank you. Yeah, that's our our logo and it stands for. faith, hope, and love. The the cross, the heartbeat, and the heart. It stands. for for faith, hope, and love. Oh, man. I love that. And that's uh part of our. mission statement. There's some other. swag in there. And it's a part of our.

mission statement to bring faith, hope, and love to those needing a brighter day. in their darkest hour of need. Oh, I. love these. Thank you so much. Of. course, man. Thank you so much. Thank. you. And then the last thing before we get. into the meat of this. So I have a. Patreon account. It's a subscription. account. We've turned it into quite the. community. And uh they've been here with. me since the beginning. And when I. started this in my attic and then we.

moved here and now we're moving into a. new studio that's a lot bigger than. this. And um and it's all because of. these guys. And so one of the things I. do is I offer them the opportunity to. ask each and every guest a question. And. so this is from Robert. Bantup. What would you say to kids today. who face significant challenges as. Christians in today's school system that. pushes ideals that do not align with. Christianity? Um that's a good question.

It's a deep question. Um, I would encourage them and challenge. them. um to not just don't think about it. showing up as an opposition. Think show. up thinking as a ministry. This is also. their mission field. One of the things. my dad always en encouraged me when I. was young and I I know I ignored it many. times was nobody is too young for God to.

use them. And for those young boys and. girls that are going to school, you. know, this is an opportunity for them to. um stand up for their classmates, to. love their classmates, those that are. being bullied, invite them to sit at. their table. Those that are are hurting, um show them how much you care about. them. You don't have to wait one day. till you grow up and you go on a mission. trip or you do all these other things. Like this is a chance for you. School. can be an amazing place. It can also be. a hard place. Um school can be a place.

of of learning and disciplehip and. growing and a renewing of your mind. But. it can also be a place where people. experience a lot of hardship, being left. out and being bullied and and being. treated as less than. And this is so. many of their opportunities to say, "No, no, you're not less than. Hey, come hang. with me. Come stand with me. I'm going. to be your friend. I'm going to stand. with you. I'm going to stand for you. And maybe have chances to share their. faith um verbally, but they always have. chances to share their faith with their.

kindness and their love and their. compassion and the hope that they bring. every day. And so instead of looking at. it as, hey man, this is an opposition. No, this is an opportunity. There's a. big difference. This is an opportunity. for me to um to win over classmates, to. love them, to care for them, even. teachers, faculty, if it's a place that. says why why do you believe in that? Why. do you do this? Well, um then I get to. show you not just with my words, but I. get to show you with my actions. And one.

of the quotes that I love is every day. we share the gospel, but every now and. then we use words. And I would encourage. these boys and girls that they're not. too young for God to use you. We look at. scripture and we see God using young. people all of the time and sometimes. they feel like they had a lot and. sometimes they feel like they had a. little. But God doesn't need us to have. a lot or have a little. He just needs us. to say, "Hey, this is what you've let me. borrow for a little bit. Hey God, would. you just use it? I want to be used. I. want to show up. Here you go. Please use. it. Take my loaves and my fish and and.

multiply it." Wow. That is. amazing. That is amazing. And so that. brings us to I mean you've just got an. amazing life story and you know you were. born in 1987 in the Philippines and I. believe your your parents were on a a. missionary operation there. Yes. Yeah. And so what can you go into some of the. what what is the missionary operation? Well, my my dad started um BTA, Bob Tibo.

Evangelistic Association, and um uh to. be able to share the gospel with every. man, woman, boy, and girl in the country. of the Philippines. And um because of. dad's faithfulness, um millions of. people have heard the gospel and over 30. million people have indicated uh that. they have put their faith in Jesus. because of him and and that um his. amazing ministry. And. uh we lived there for 5 years and um I. was um so privileged to be born there in.

a country that I love so much and is so. near and dear to my heart. Um but when. my parents decided to move there um God. called them there and actually my dad. was driving from a conference. I believe. it was in Alabama. My mom was in. Jacksonville, Florida. And my dad's. driving with my oldest sister Christy in. the car and he knew that God called him. at that moment while he was driving. He. just knew and he, you know, trying to. make excuses, but then he knew God. called him again in the car while he's.

driving and he's, "Okay, I got to. surrender." And he said, "Okay, God, I'll go. I'll go." And um and he got. home and he saw my mom and um he uh said. to my mom, "God called me um to the. Philippines." And she says, "I know. because he called me too.". They were separated. um not like. separating their marriage, just. separating at the conference. And then. they start talking about, hey, well, when did you feel that that in your. heart and when do you feel that nudge. and as they're talking about it, they.

were looking, they're like, we think he. called us at the exact same time. Wow. And um so they decided so he goes to his. board and he's like, "Hey, God called me. to the Philippines. Okay, let's go. We. got to go raise money and we got to go. to send you guys off and when are you. thinking, you know, 6 months or a year. from now you're going to and he said, "No, God called me. We have to go." And. so they literally packed everything up. and within days left um and took four. kids to the Philippines. And just such.

an example of um it's one of the reasons. why my parents are just some of my. biggest heroes um because their. willingness to say yes when God calls, they've said yes. And. um and so we are in the Philippines and. living and my dad is um uh before I was. born and my dad is in a very remote. island. Philippines is is made up of. thousands of islands. Um and he's in a. remote island and he's getting ready to. preach and he just starts weeping uh. uncontrollably for all of the God puts.

on his heart all the babies that are. being aborted u around the world but. specifically in America. and he he's as. he's just weeping, God puts it on his. heart to have another baby and um to. name that baby Timothy, which means. honoring God. And um so he finishes. preaching, he goes home and he says, "Hey, um to my mom, um God put it on my heart. that we need to have another baby." And.

she's like, "They already had four." And. my mom's like, "Well, God didn't put it. on my heart, so I don't." But she said. she decided she's going to start praying. about it. And not long she started. praying about it. Not long after that, God put it on her heart too that they. need to have another baby and at least. try. Not long after that, she became. pregnant. At least they thought she was. pregnant. But then some of the doctors. were saying that it's not even a baby. It might be a mass of fetal tissue. It. might be a tumor. And so actually, um, Sean, my first nickname was Timmy the. tumor. So tried getting rid of that one.

from four old siblings. But um they. said, "Hey, with all of these issues,". and there were so many issues that she. was having, they said, "You need to have. an abortion cuz she had amoeba. dysentery. She had the placenta wasn't. properly attached." Um uh she even went. um uh into a coma um in certain time uh. of the pregnancy. Um and they said, "You. need to have an abortion. It'll cost you. your life. It'll cost you your baby's. life." and um and she with you know um.

her faith and my dad and all the people. praying for him, she had the courage to. say, "No, we're going to trust God.". Wow. And um and I'm so grateful that she. did. And months later, the doctor that. was um helping my mom uh deliver me was. um a doctor that had done helped. thousands of women. And um when I was. finally born and he handed me to my mom, he said, "Um, I have no idea how your.

baby boy survived. It's the greatest. miracle I've ever seen. I don't know how. he got the nutrients. I don't know how. he's alive. The placenta was only has a. tiny bit that's attached. All of these. issues, I just don't know how he. survived." And um and I was. malnourished. And so my family continued. to um send out prayer requests to people. around the world. And so many people um. were praying for me when I was a baby. And um I was malnourished, but I tried. to make up for it quickly. And um and.

just so grateful that um I could um be. here even sitting with you today because. my mom trusted God and gave me a chance. and and my parents' faithfulness and all. the people that that prayed for me. Um. cuz I do believe prayer is powerful. And. yesterday we were just in DC celebrating. the National Day of Prayer. And um you. know there was over 70,000 groups around. America that were praying together. yesterday. Like there is power in. prayer. And um just so grateful that God.

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I want to know how God talks to you. But. but. first, do you remember any of the. missionary stuff? Of course, in the. Philippines. Yeah, not as much from when. I was when we were living there cuz we. moved back when I was about five. Um, so. I don't remember as I a little bit of. it, glimpses of it, but then we went. back so many times cuz we moved back to. the states to the west side of. Jacksonville, Florida, but my dad would.

be gone about half of the year over. there. Um, and so many times I got to go. with him and siblings and we would get. to go uh back and u we would spend a lot. of summers going back with him um to be. able to do mission work with him. So, I. remember more of that than I do from. when I was young. How do you Was it. dangerous at all? Um, my parents would. try to keep um the kids in in some of. the areas that were safer. Um, but my my. parents um uh went through a lot of.

areas that were dangerous. They went uh. my dad and certain of the countries that. he went into to share the gospel um got. put in jail. Um my dad got um told to. leave so many times. my dad um multiple. times they told him, "Hey, if you stand. up and share the gospel, we're going to. kill you." And he are you serious? And. he would stand up and he would tell. them, "But I just want to tell you how. much God loves you." And he would share. his heart. And um one time in uh.

specifically that I can remember um a. man showed up and he was in the back of. the the audience and he showed up with a. machete and as he starts making his way. forward and my dad just something his. heart is pricking him telling him to. start talking about forgiveness and he. does and this man's making his way. closer and closer and he finally gets. and stands right in front of my dad and. and he just says um I was sent here to. kill. you, but I heard you talking about.

forgiveness and I just want to ask if. you would forgive. me. And. um just so grateful for my parents'. faith and not just the faith like oh. Sunday in church, but the faith in the. hard moments and say yes to God because. I got to see that so many times. Um I. got to see my dad say to my mom when we. had such little money, "Hey, it's okay. give the rest away. I got to see that.

multiple times in my life and my mom. gave the rest away. And both times. people came over that evening for dinner. and said, "We don't know why we were. supposed to do this. We just knew we. were supposed to give you uh bring. dinner to you guys." And it was just. like a Godwink moment, as my wife loves. to say of like, you know, God saw that. faithfulness. Um so so many times um I. got to see that and you know one of the. things that that I think when I even.

start to regurgitate some of these. stories and there's so many more I got. to see so much of that and. still see God's faithfulness and his his. hand work in my parents' life and in the. life of so much of the ministry and. still so many times I um I would just. fall short and screw up from it. And you. know, it's um something that uh I know. I've been convicted about so many times. because I've seen God at work and I've.

seen God do incredible things. And it's. so easy for me to lose sight of that and. to veer off of the path and off of the. track. And um and then I see so many. other lives that haven't had uh the same. parents like me and haven't been able to. see that. And yet I see their faith and. it's so strong. And I think, man, you. know, um God's had to remind me so many times. because my my faith has been so weak. My. trust has been so weak. And I've seen.

it. And then I see so many others that. have come through such harder situations. and their faith is so strong. And it's. something that's so convicting to me to. hear you say that you veer off the path. I mean, from what I know about you that. you've never veered off the path. How. how do you I mean, what how do you veer. off the path? Well, um with my actions, with my words, with. my thoughts, um make a long story short,

well, um there's many times when I first. got a platform, um that God had given. me. So, I shouldn't even say my. platform, the platform God's let me. steward for a little bit. Um, people. would say, "Hey, Timmy, I want you to. know you're our son's role model. You're. our daughter's role model." And I would. start to think, "No, not if you knew me. on my worst day. I wouldn't be their. role model. Not if you knew my worst. thoughts, my worst words, my worst. actions.". Um, but God had to work in me with that.

because. um, actually was just with a band. yesterday called Casting Crowns and. they're a Christian band. It's been. around for a long time and they had a. song, they still have the song called. Voice of Truth and it'll say, "The voice. of truth tells me a different story. The. voice of truth says do not be afraid. The voice of truth says this is for my. glory. out of all the voices calling out. to me, I will choose to listen and. believe the voice of truth. And there.

are so many times that I would hear the. voice of shame and guilt and doubt and. you're not enough and you can't and you. know you have this platform. But if they. really knew, you know, your worst. actions, your worst thoughts, your worst. days, your worst. moments and and and the feeling of. you're not enough, you're not equipped, all of this. And I would have to listen. to that song and get in God's word. because he would remind me, "No, that's. the voice of the enemy." But what does. God say? You see, the enemy calls you by. your sin. God calls you by your name.

The enemy calls you a mistake. God calls. you a masterpiece. The enemy says that. you should be afraid and God says, "I. didn't give you a spirit of fear." The. enemy says you're alone, but God says, "I will never leave you and forsake. you." And so that's why it's so. important to have a renewing of your. mind in God's word, in scripture, in. prayer, and with other people around. you. Because when we get isolated, when. we get alone, all of those voices from. the enemy start to leak in and they. start to creep and they start to say,

and they start to point out all of those. flaws. But then you have to get back to. scripture because God's saying, "No, no, no, no, no. You're missing the mark. Because you're missing the point. Yes, you have scars and you have flaws, but you're not defined by your scars. You're defined by. mine. That's the gospel. That's the. cross. We couldn't do anything about it. But yet, his scars are what define us. now as believers. That's what we're.

defined as. And so, when we're going. through this journey and we start to. look at all of our flaws and all of. this, it's like, wait a second, but God. still used flawed, fallen people. we. look at scripture, that's who he uses. And it just I'm so grateful because then. I'm like, yes, it's encouraging because. I'm not. disqualified. But it's so important that. those voices aren't the voices that lead. us that we would have a renewing of our. mind in scripture with the promise of. the gospel, the hope of the gospel, that. um we would be able to live in that of.

what God has done. And yes, I'm a screw-. up, but he's not. And he's the savior. And now I'm a child of God. I'm a son of. the king, the king of the world, whoever. for who will forever reign. That's my. identity now. And one of the things that. I sometimes love to challenge um. especially young people is, hey, when. when you pull out your ID and you look. at it, um my ID would say um Timothy. Richard Tibo, Jacksonville, Florida. It. would have my birth date and it would.

all of these things on it, but my. spiritual ID, that's not what it says. It says son of the king, king of the. world who will forever reign. And guess. what? On my spiritual ID, there's no. expiration date. And it doesn't say, my. spiritual ID doesn't say Florida. It. says heaven because we're citizens of. heaven because of what Jesus has done. And we have to remember that because. when we when we fall, when we have pride. and ego and mistakes and selfishness and.

all of this, then it's so important to. Yes. to adjust and change course. But. then also remember that's not what. defines me. That's not my. identity. That is no that is no longer. who I am or who's I am. Mhm. Mhm. When is the first time So you you. guys were going back and forth from. Jacksonville, Florida to the. Philippines.

And I'm. curious, who are you? Who are you guys. targeting? How do you know who to talk. to? How do you know how to even broach. the subject, especially in a country. where it's not welcome? Well, um the special thing about the. Philippines is they're they were so. receptive to the gospel. They're so. hungry for it. And. um but I think the first answer to that. would be um for my parents it would be. is where God called you? Just where did.

God called you? And you say yes to that. And it doesn't always have to be a. logical thing. It's a spiritual thing. Did God called you to go there? And one. of the things that my dad would always. tell me and I'm so grateful for it. He. would say, um, Timmy, if if you just want to go because you. have compassion, which is a great thing, or you have empathy, which is a really. good thing, or you have a heart for the. people, that's very special. But if you.

go and you're going to get knocked down, you're going to get a bloody nose, you'd. say. But if you get a bloody nose and. you don't know you're called. there, then you will start looking for. every reason to go. back and you'll start trying to find out. all the logical reasons. Well, we need. to go do this. But if God calls you and. you get a bloody nose, cuz you will, you. know, this is still exactly where I'm. supposed to be. And that was what I also.

got to see in my parents was knowing. this is where God wanted them. and the. the assurance and the confidence you can. live in when you really believe you are. standing in um part of the reason why. God created you was for this moment for. for this place was for these people to. stand and to be able to share and love. this this is where God has called you. and so I think that's that would be a. part of the first answer to that. question and then it's now how. strategically can we love and we share.

and can we do all of that and that was a. process my parents went through of of. figuring that out And they did it in so. many different ways. Whether that was in. basketball games because people love. basketball there and they'd come to the. games or it was in film showings. They. would show a film and the whole villages. would show up and dad share the gospel. or schools, marketplaces, prisons, hospitals, all the above. Um, but it was. a process my parents went on for for a. long time. And um man, it was fun as a.

as part of it, but also an outsider just. being a watch and to to see the. confidence they had because they knew. it's where God wanted them. Are these. are these. people do they have any knowledge. of the Bible, the New. Test that you're talking to? Um with the people at my specifically. growing up on mission field. Yes. Um. some So the Philippines is made up of.

just over 7,200 islands. So the main. islands, yes, they will they there will. be churches, they will know. Um, but. some of the remote islands, I have. personally been to quite a few remote. islands where they have said to us, in. their words, you're the first visitors. we've ever had. And they had never heard. of the name of Jesus. They had never. heard of the gospel. Um, so in a country. where the people are so incredibly. amazing and loving and they will I I.

mean this literally, they will give you. the shirt off their back. They love. visitors. Still the older ones, especially when I was young, they would. still say, "Hey, Joe," for the G.I. Joe's that came in World War II. Wow. Like is so cool. Especially when I was. young, the older ones. Now that's, you. know, it's getting less and less as. time's getting further away. So there. was, they love visitors. They loved. Americans. Um, but there was such a. separation between what the people in. the bigger cities were experiencing. versus the remote islands. and um and.

I've gotten a chance to go to many. remote islands and um it's many of them. was where my life has really changed. Um. but getting to share the good news of. the gospel with people that have never. heard it, how do how do you how do you. how do you start that conversation? I. mean, if you're talking to somebody who. who believes in something else and. they've never heard of this, they've. never heard of Christ, they've never. heard of the Bible, they've never heard. of any of it, I mean, where do where do. you start? start by talking about who. God is and what God has done and in.

creation and all of this and how much. God loves us and always lead with love. because God is love and then to be able. to talk about love and how much God. loves you and how much God loves every. person I'm talking to and and really. paint that picture and that's why we're. here because we want to tell you how. much God loves you and then after I. paint that picture then it's to say but. we have a problem and that problem is. sin. You see, sin separates us from God. because God is a holy, just.

God. But it doesn't end with the. problem. God created a solution to our. problem. That solution to our problem. was his son Jesus. And you go through. the life of Jesus and the the the life. and the death and the burial and the. resurrection and the ascension of Jesus. Christ. and the story of Jesus, not just. the story, but the gift of of Jesus to. all of us, that he's offering us a free. gift of eternal life. And that would be. a big part of how we would walk people.

through and then invite them um if they. believe in what Jesus has done and. accounted for them um to say yes to. it. I. guess that all makes a lot of sense. How. how how do you I mean how does the. initial do you build a relationship with. them first and then you start talking. about it or do you start it right off. the bat? Some parts of the min some. parts of the ministry yeah you start a. relationship and some parts of the.

ministry you're trying to get to as many. places as you possibly can. So um to be. able to share with as many people. So. you try to bring big groups together but. for the sake of getting to as many um. you don't always get to build as deep a. relationship as you want. But we always. try to have followup to have pastors. come and follow up to share and disciple. and build churches. And many times those. churches are house churches, not. churches that we think of just people. that are gathering together because. ultimately that's that's what the church.

is. The eklesia, the church, it's wasn't. like, oh, on Sunday there's this. building we go to and has a steeple. No, it was bodies of believers coming. together to to sharpen each other to be. in the presence of the Lord and with. each other and do life in ministry and. everything together as the body of. believers. the that's more of the church. than hey, we just show up and there's. this we just sing and then we someone. shares and then we go have lunch and we. leave like um and so yes, we do have a.

lot of followup. Um and we always try to. but it was also many times just getting. to the the heart of it. Hey, this is why. we're here. Mhm. They say, "Hey, why. would you come all this way? Why would. you leave America? Why would you leave. Florida? Why would you come here?" Oh, man. God, we want you to know the. greatest thing we've ever found. And so. many times my my dad, I watched him in. so many places around the world, marketplaces especially, um flea. markets, villages, cuz so many people.

around the world, different places, they. uh they show up to marketplaces to trade. and they, you know, pesos for good, for. rice, whatever they do, build, you know, go sell and so they exchange, right? And. so it's a place of trade. And so many times I got to watch my dad. walk into um villages, marketplaces, and. he'd find maybe something to stand on or. just on his tippy toes and he would say, "Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey everyone. I. want to tell you about the greatest.

trade in the history of the. world." And every time that I can. remember, everyone stopped cuz they want. to find out what's the greatest trade in. the history of the world. Like it gets. people's attention. And he'd go on to say, "The greatest. trade in the history of the world is. that the God of this universe wants to. trade you of your sin, all of your. wrong, and give you. righteousness. He wants to take your sin. and give you righteousness." That's the.

gospel. He takes your sin and he gives. you righteousness. He makes you right. with his dad. the greatest trade in the. history of the world. And it's just I I. just love being able to watch my dad do. that. And still sometimes I love getting. to talk about the greatest trade. And. they're they're immediately receptive. Um not everywhere. Not everywhere. Sometimes they're uh certain places.

they're very not receptive. Some places. they I've seen them run him off. I've. seen him them argue. But also I've seen. um people that you would have never. thought respond uh respond weeping. So. no, it's not always receptive. And I. could tell you there many countries. where uh it was the exact opposite of. receptive. Um but you could even see uh. in some of those times how God would. start to work in the hard places and the.

people that were even in resistant to. it. You know, we've already we've already. talked a lot. about God spoke to your your parents. about going to the Philippines at the. exact same time. God spoke to him about. having another child, which was you not. doing an abortion, having faith. When is. the first time that you felt God speak. to you? It's a good question. Um, so I grew up um just with just the.

best parents and four older siblings. that were amazing. And we grew up going. to church all the time, Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday night. Had a. couple Bible studies in between. And. over and over again, my parents, especially my dad, would say, "Hey, you. heard the pastor talking about Jesus and. that free gift. Do you want to say yes. to Jesus today?" And over and over, I'd. say, "No, Dad. I'm good. I'm good. I'm. good. I'm good. I'm I'm good. Go to my.

parents' room and and say, "Hey, you. know, you you heard the sermon today or. you heard me preach. What do you think? Do you want to say?" I'd say, "No, Dad. I'm good." Until one night, I was lying. in my bed um late in the evening and I. knew that I knew that I knew that I was. a sinner that desperately needed a. savior. How old were you? I was 6 years. old. Six years old. Yeah. And I.

um was. terrified and I couldn't sleep and I got. up in the morning and I ran to go see my. mom and I said, "Mom, we got to ask. Jesus. I got to ask Jesus to come into. my heart." And she said, "Okay, let me. go get your father." And I said, "No, mom. We don't have. time." And I was kind of intensive, too. And and she said, "Okay." She said, "Okay.". And on the west side of Jacksonville, Florida, we got on our knees on a blue. couch and I asked Jesus to come into my.

heart. And he did. And he forgave me of. my sin. And one of the things that my. parents did that was so. special is they wanted us to remember. that moment, how special it was. So, even a family that didn't have a lot of. money and was always strapped to do a. lot of things, um my mom set up a a trip. for us to go to Orlando and go to Epcot. to celebrate my spiritual.

birthday. And um my family always made a. bigger deal of our spiritual birthday. than they did our earthly birthday. And. um my mom still every year will call me, tell me it's your spiritual birthday. You know, it's so that's really cool. I've not. heard of that. Yeah.

And I mean, you're you're always led. And I mean the 316 stuff, the push back. that you receive, uh the mockery of your. faith all the way up to what you're. doing today with all these different. things combating sex trafficking, standing up for the vulnerable. I mean, how how does he how do you. know how does he speak to you? How do. you know where to go? How do you how do. how did you know that he wanted you to. combat sex trafficking and and sex.

exploitation and and do the stuff with. the with the vulnerable kids and the. proms and Good question. I mean, where. does this come from and how does he. speak to you? Well, I I'd first answer. by saying maybe I'm not a a very good. Christian, but God's never audibly spoke. to me. Um, and I do believe that it does for. some people. Um, but never with me but but I feel like in.

how God usually speaks to me or people. is in God's word is time and prayer and. it's also through a lot of people. wise. counsel. It's so important to us that. are really our second core value for our. foundation, our family, myself, all of. us is that we value and seek wise. counsel because man, God uses people to. speak into you. And then I would also. say of the one of the ways I like to. talk about it is the pricking of your. heart, like this nudging of your heart.

And. um then when I accepted Christ as a boy, you know, I'm still learning and. figuring out so much of what that means. But really the the first time I would. say I felt called to something. specifically was when I was 15 and I I. met a boy in the jungles of the. Philippines who was born with his feet. on backwards. And because of that, he. was treated and viewed as less and. insignificant, throwaway. And many. viewed him as cursed because they they. believe that he had special needs. His.

feet were on backwards. his less than. The gods have cursed. him. And so he was treated as an. outcast, as less than. And um man, I. just fell in love with that boy. And I. knew that he wasn't an outcast. He. wasn't cursed. But I I also knew and. Sean, it's hard to even say like. uh this is all just you're trying to. figure out what does that even mean? But. almost if I could put it into a. sentence, which I couldn't, then it was.

the thought. of, "Yeah, Timmy, you you might know. he's he's not cursed, but what are you. going to do about. it? What are you going to. do? You might have this thought or this. feeling, but what are you going to do? I've shown you how much I love him. I. demonstrated my love for you and for him. on the. cross, but how much will you love him?

And I I don't know if I could even fully. articulate that. And I even uh came back. to the States and I I shared that. testimony of some people and you're. trying to articulate. All I knew is. somehow God was challenging me and. convicting me to fight for those that. couldn't fight for themselves, to stand. up and speak for those that didn't have. a voice. to not just feel something or. think something but do something. And I. didn't know. I thought, "God, but what. do you want me to do? I don't know what. to do." And um but it was that on my.

heart. And God started to let it grow. and grow and grow. And um then I we kept. going back and and forth to the. Philippines throughout all my summer and. and even into college. And and so when. I'm in college, we're we're starting to. we you know, then you you didn't have. NIL or you didn't have the opportunity. to have a foundation. So we tried to use. the rules to ways to make impact and. difference and um but then the first. thing I did when I graduated from. Florida is start the Timua.

Foundation. In all honesty, I know this. doesn't sound good, but not knowing. exactly what it that meant, I just knew. we were called to fight for people that. couldn't fight for themselves. And so I. wrote the mission statement, and it was. the only really place early on of. clarity was the mission statement. I. don't know why God let me have peace on. that, but I did. And I remember I was. right here in Nashville when I was. writing it because I was training for. the NFL draft over at D1 and um I wrote. the mission statement to bring faith, hope, and love to those needing a.

brighter day in their darkest hour of. need to sum it up to fight for people. that couldn't fight for themselves. And. so it started with with orphan care and. special needs care. And then very. quickly we um got into starting to plan. for our first hospital and to support. strong families. And so it was just this. um this uncertainty of how but this. belief in why if that makes sense. I. don't know strategically I what this.

means. I just know that we are called to. fight for people that can't fight for. themselves. Now we call that the MVP, the most vulnerable people. And I would. also say that God's challenged me a lot. in my life. of really in a sense saying, "Timmy, you care and cared so much about. winning." And I loved I love winning. I. hated losing even more. I'm insanely. competitive. I love the drive. I love.

the challenge. I love the chase. I want. to win. Um I really do. Um, in. everything that I do, um, I really love. the pursuit of trying to be my best. And. every now and then you get to be the. best. And when you're the best in. something, you win a championship or. maybe sometimes you would win an MVP um, as most valuable player. But then along. the way, God started to break my heart, saying, "You care so much about championships or.

MVPs, but I have a more important MVP. for you to chase. It's not the most. valuable player, it's the most. vulnerable people. But which one will. you care about. more? And I really believe in my life. there has been many days I've missed the. mark because I've I've I've said the. right thing, but I knew deep down in my. heart, man, I want to win. Man, I want. to make that team. Man, I want to do. this. And it's not that all of those.

things are wrong, but when you're. putting them in the place of what God. has called you to and you're putting. them, what does it be is so high, it. becomes uh ego, it becomes pride, and. you're putting it on an altar. And. you're making it the priority when it's. fine if it's a goal, just not your. biggest priority, just not in the place. of where God and what he's called you to. should sit. In too many days of my life, I've know I missed the mark. Even though. I've known that in my heart, in my head,

and I probably would have gave you a. good answer, but I knew I put that here. Mhm. I knew I put it too high. Well, maybe not always when I was doing it, but many times convicted afterwards. Oh, man. I would have said the right thing, but you know what? This last. season, that definitely took the place. of God. That was my identity was there. My focus. was. there. Who and whose I was was there.

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to become to to to win championships and. all that stuff, but I don't Do you think. that I guess hear me. out? It sounds to me like you think I. was selfish back then. I prioritized the. wrong things. But do you think there's. it's possible that God wanted you to. prioritize that to build your name up so. that you could become the man that you. are today with the platform that you. today? I think that God works all things. together for good to those who love him.

and are called according to his purpose. Even disappointments, frustration, selfishness, ego, somehow we have serve. a God that works all things together for. good to those who love him and are. called according to purpose. So I. believe that God can can do all sorts of. stuff with that. But it's not that. chasing those things is wrong. Please. don't um hear that. It's not that. they're wrong. I I do think I think it's. a good thing. I should I think believers. should compete to win. I really do. Whatever your hand finds to do, do with. all of your might. Like um do it as unto. the Lord. Like no, I don't think God's.

saying, "Hey, be last." Uh in in service. he is, but not in sports or in life or. in all this stuff. No. No. He's I what. I'm saying. is if I said it was you know my faith. you know uh family loving people all of. this and football you know people say. that faith family football too many. times it would have actually if you. really weighed my heart it would have. been football faith family that's what. I'm saying I let the priorities get out. of whack too many times and it's not.

competing or winning is wrong I don't. think that whatsoever I believe that as. believers, we should strive to win. We. should be good and we should try to use. all of that to honor the Lord with it. and love people and help people and make. a difference in people's lives. It's. just we can't let that. striving be in the place where Jesus. should be. Mhm. And I think I let that. happen too many times. So it was tough.

to navigate the ego. Yes. And drive. And. so when. you back to how how God speaks to you or. or the the tugs on your heart, you got. MVPs. You want to help the most. vulnerable. You have that. There's a lot. of vulnerable people out there in a lot. of different ways. And. so how do you know which direction? It's. a really good question. Uh a lot of.

times I would try to figure that out. a. lot of time in prayer, discernment, wise. counsel. But one of the ways that we. would talk about it is that um that we. try to gain clarity is what has God. pricricked your heart for? And what has. God opened your eyes to? And if so, he's. probably saying go meet that need. So, he pricricked my heart and opened my. eyes to meet Sherwin in the Philippines, the boy with his feet on backwards. And. I believe he was saying it. I'm letting.

you see him and I'm letting you feel for. him because I want you to care for. him. And then al along the way it was. more orphans and special needs and. thrown aways. And then um couple years. later from that it was it led into the. fight against trafficking and. exploitation cuz my dad was in a. underground pastor's conference in a. country where faith isn't really. allowed. And so he's meeting with these. pastors underground so they don't get.

arrested and they can go back to their. communities and minister. And in that. underground location um men um came in. with four little girls and started to. auction off these four little girls to. all of the men that are in this place. And one of the reasons why my dad's one. of my greatest heroes and role models, he just can't look the other way. And he. didn't have a sevenstep plan of what to. do. He didn't have a plan of action. strategic thought. He just knows, "No, no, those girls are priceless to God. I. got to do whatever I can." He took out.

all the money in his wallet, which was. $1,250 for the rest of his trip and to. get home. And he purchased the freedom. of those four girls. And he called me. afterwards. And um I said, "Hey, Dad. How's the trip going? How you doing?". And he said, "I'm doing okay." I was. like, "What what are you up to?" And he. said, "Um, I I just purchased the freedom of. four girls." I'm like, "What are you. talking about, Dad?" He goes on to tell. me the story. And I just knew in that. conversation and I I don't know, Sean,

it's hard to explain. I just knew. this is also part of what we were called. to do being at TTF. And um not long. after I got to fly to that location and. you show up and you're thinking all. these thoughts like oh this is like. taken and Liam Niss and this is cartels. and it's you know crime families and all. of this and um by that time we even had. more kids and by that time when I got. there you realized most of these um.

children were sold by their family. one. of the first girls that I got to meet. She didn't make enough money um one day. and so when she got home, her mom in. such a place of desperation um took her. and boiled out her eye and um. boiled out her eye. Boiled out her eye. Um and I just knew God let me see. God, let me see for a reason. God, let me.

feel for a reason. Not so that I can. just create awareness or not so I can. just tell a story because he's saying I. let you see, I let you feel, I let you. be here because I want you to do. something about. it because I want you to stand up and. fight for her because she doesn't have a. voice. And all of these other boys and. girls, they don't have a voice and no. one standing for them. Will. you? And. um and that was um the start of it for.

us. And man, when we got into it, we had. just no idea what we were doing. I mean, no idea. Uh just trying to learn and. figure out and and I I also want to. mention one thing about that story with. my dad before we move on is who is my. dad sitting with? A group of. pastors. Do you know how many of those. pastors Sean said, "Hey, Mr. Tibo, let. me go find him dinner. And Mr. Tibo, let. me go find him a night's stay. Let Mr.

Tibo, let me go figure out food for. tomorrow or all of this stuff. Not one. of them. Why? Because they all had. really good. excuses. Like, well, Mr. TBO, you know, the those people that you're giving that. money to, they're going to go do. something else bad with it. And yes, Sean, it's probably true, but go say it. to those four. girls. And I'm not saying that my dad. had a perfect strategy and all of this, but man, he just knew the true infinite.

worth and value of those boys and girls, and he was willing to do whatever he. could for them. And so many times we. look and we're we try to weigh and judge. and all of this, and sometimes God's. saying, "I want you to step in, and I. want you to be a warrior for them. I. want you to fight for them. Don't you. just talk on the peripheral or you know. share. No, I want you to get in the. fight for them. And um I was also so. convicted when my dad told me when I.

asked about what the pastors did and he. told me because I started to think how. many times in my. life have I just made really good. excuses cuz we can't. It's easy. Well, I'm, you know, we're doing this and one. day I'm going to do that. One day we're. gonna figure it out and you know, I'm. gonna go on a mission trip and I'm gonna. do these things and and we spend so much. time making really good excuses. And I. don't even think we always realize we're. making good excuses.

But so many times I look back and I say, "No, that's Timmy, that's a really good. excuse. It's a really good excuse." And. honestly, we can fool ourselves and we. can fool others. But I I would challenge us and I've. challenged myself a lot. Are you really. just saying, "Oh, you're tired. You have. to do this, or you have to do this, or I. got to provide here, or I got to do. this, but I got to go train, but I got. to go do this." Or are you really just. making a good excuse to avoid saying yes.

to something God's calling you to? How did your dad want I mean, how does. he find himself in a in a situation in a. in a in a community that is selling. children? Well, because he's um bringing. all the pastors from local area and um. many of these pastors in this country. had been thrown in prison for being. pastors, for being Christians. Many had. been persecuted. um some worse.

And um and so it's in an area where they. thought they could meet and and um and. so they're looking for places to you. know these men were looking for places. to sell. And I I honestly would even. take it farther. I believe that it was a. um that God used that time for my dad. and some of those other pastors that. have been very influential. um to me as a as a special moment.

Sometimes we say ordained moments or. stuff and I don't know but just a moment. where it was going to open his eyes so. that he would open mine. Do you The reason I'm asking about how. God speaks to you is. is this is a new journey for me. I'm. about two years into it. And. so I'm learning to lean into my gut. because I think that's where he speaks. to me. And so I want to ask, you know, I. mean, what is it a gut feeling? Do I.

mean, and how how quick do you act on. it? I mean, is it instantaneous? Is it. do you grow confidence with it over. time? It's a Sean, it's such a good. question and I wish there was a perfect. answer I could give, but I'm also. looking for that myself. And I work with. so many friends, mentors, and pastors of. trying to discern and figure that out. And I spend time in prayer, in God's. word, and with wise counsel. And I'll. always go back to those three cuz there.

that is in scripture. We need to spend. time with him. We need to spend time in. prayer. We need to spend time with wise. counsel. um all are so vital to to life. in wisdom, knowledge and. understanding. But I I would also add to. that. um that when we when you when you say. your gut or I say, you know, God pricks. my heart and opens my eyes, we need to. take that back to God's word. Does it. match up? Is my gut or my heart matching.

with God's word? And if it's matching. with God's word and there's something I. can do about. it, I always want to lean towards yes, we do it. if we can make a difference in. humanity or for a hurting person and. also why it's so important to go back to. God's word because if it matches up with. God's word. and meaning something like the fight. against trafficking or exploitation or. the valuing of humanity and special. needs or orphan care like all of those.

things we have been told in. scripture defend the weak and the. fatherless stand up for the orphan and. the widow um just over and over and over. again. So, yes, we've already been told. to do that. Like, that's already a yes. It's a It's already So, when we're. saying, "Hey, should I get into this?". Well, maybe it's not my long-term. calling, but yeah, if you're doing it. and I can make a difference, yeah, do. it. Like, and I also encourage people. because so many people ask me, "Tammy,

how do I know my purpose?" And I'll. first say, "I don't know. I I'm not God. and I don't understand the Bible. perfectly. I'm just a sinner saved by. grace that's kind of trying to figure it. out along the way. Um, but man, if your. eyes have been open to a problem, if. your heart has been pricricked or your. gut is saying something and you know it. is in scripture, it matches scripture. and you can do something about it. Yeah, let's start. Let's error on the side of. doing something. How do you know if it. if it aligns with scripture? Well, I.

think that's where so so important to. get into God's word and to know what. God's word says. It's the It's the love. letter manual for our lives. And. sometimes we look at it as a like a. chore. And I I tell you, I so many times. I've looked at a chore. Oh man, I know I. got to get in God's word and like I have. to do this versus I get to do this. versus man, I get to get in God's love. letter. And yes, it is. There are some. areas that are so complicated and trying. to go back to um the original language.

and understanding Old Testament, New. Testament and and but it's something. that is so real and alive and man when. you get into it and um and you study. with friends and fellowship in it. Um I. also believe God does something with it. and in you with it. And so, um, it's. important to know when I say go back to. scripture and like referring to the. story with dad and like God, my dad knew.

that because he already knew scripture, he knew that every one of those girls. are fearfully and wonderfully made. That. they were one of one, created in love, by love, and for love, on purpose, and. for a purpose. And that ain't the. purpose. And so he already knows I I got. to stand up for them. Like and. ultimately that's not necessarily I'd. say you we use calling all the time. My. dad's biggest calling is he's an. evangelist, right? But you know in that. moment I'm here I can do something about.

it. I have to do something about it and. I love that about him so much. Do you. ever feel do you ever feel like your. life is in limbo where you're looking. for a new. direction and then you're called? I felt. many times I was figuring out God's. plan. I think there's so much time in. sports I was trying to figure it out. Um, you know, and so when we're talking about a. direction like.

like the proms or combating sex. trafficking or or or the numerous other. things you've done, how much. time, what am I trying to ask here? I'm. trying to ask how much time. I can take some of those one by one. What's that? I can take some of them one. by one cuz they're all different stories. of how we got into them. How much time. do you spend contemplating your god. to move into a certain direction? Now, now something like the like purchasing.

the girls like I wasn't in that. situation, but I could imagine that. that's that's an immediate action. You. don't have time to think or ponder on. it. Is this really what you want me to. do? That's right. And so when I'm. talking about like the a bigger picture. of moving into the direction of any of. the things that I just named, how much. time will you spend thinking, is this. really what you want me to do? Some of. them a lot and sometimes it is um like. sometimes maybe too much. Sometimes.

maybe I've known, but I'm trying to. deliberate and figure out and discern. and do all this. And sometimes maybe I. just hang on it too much rather than. trust. And I'm trying to ask God for. clarity. It's like I gave you clarity, go do it. And so I feel like I've made. that mistake a lot um as well. Um but. there's been sometimes so for the. example of Night to Shine, we were. getting ready to celebrate our fifth. year anniversary as a foundation and our. president at the time came to me and he. said, "Hey, um there's these two.

churches that we know of that have um. something called like a Jesus prom where. they celebrate individuals with special. needs." And at that time we already. served individuals with special needs in. multiple countries around the world in. different ways. And he said, "So since. we have such a heart for him and we. serve them, what if we as a 5-year. anniversary, what if we did something. instead of just like having a banquet or. something, what if we did something to. celebrate them? And how special would. that be?" And I said, "I love it." He.

said, "Awesome. Where do you want to. have it? Do you want to have it like in. Florida, Texas, Tennessee, New York? Do. you want to have it?" And you know, Guatemala, Brazil, Philippines, like. where should we have it at the places we. serve? And I said, um, just my first gut. or heart response was, um, I think we. need to have it everywhere. And he. says, what do you mean? And I said, I. don't know. I just know that. every boy and girl, man or woman with.

special needs has been treated as less. than, they're not. we need all of them. to know their true worth and value and. their families to know their true worth. and value. I think we need to have it. everywhere. And he's like, "Bro, what. are you talking about?" It's what I'm. talking about. And I don't think he was. very happy with me at the time. And um. it's just one of those moments. And then. we went back and we talked to our team. and we talked to our board and I just. felt compelled. No, we need we need to.

try to have this everywhere. And so, um, our team and board started to talk about. what that would look like. And we. thought, well, what's the greatest way. to do this? Partner with the church. It's an army that's mostly unmobilized. around the world. And so, we're okay. We. came up with the 72page manual for the. first year of all the ways we're going. to do it and then try to fund it and. partner with churches to put it on. And. um because we also want what's hopefully. the best night of every king and queen's. life to be at a church so they would.

come back on Sunday and be loved. So. they would know they're part of a. family. That this isn't a one-time. thing. This is an everyday thing. You. are loved this way every day of your. life. This is not a one night. And I. tell them that every single year that. they are told over and over and over. again. We do this because this is how. the God of this universe sees you every. day of your life as a king or a queen. And so we were just praying that first. year, please, we hope churches would. partner with us. And that first year we.

had just over 40 churches partner with. us in 26 states and three countries. And. we were like, yes, yes. Like God, you're. so big. Thank you so much. This is. awesome. We're just so grateful and. humbled. and we flew to the um so the. that night the first year we're like. okay we're going to go to one in North. Carolina and then because South Carolina. is close we're going to fly to South. Carolina and get so we can get to two. So, we flew to North Carolina for the. first one and uh just as we got there, there's some of the kings and queens. walking down the red carpet. And I told.

some of the team, I said, "Wait back. here. I just want to watch it from about. 30, 40 yards away." And um I started to. watch the first couple kings and queens. go down the. aisle and to watch them be celebrated in. their glow and watch their parents watch. them. And. um I thought, man, this is special. And. then when we went to South Carolina for. that one, as we're walking in the arena. where it was held, one of the moms runs.

up to me and she grabs I mean grabs me. She pulls me to the side and it's it's. mama beer force, right? And she's. holding me, squeezing my hands, and then. squeezing my shirt. And she's just you. could tell she wants to get this out so. bad. and she said, "Hey, my daughter, my. daughter, she will never have kids. She. will never get. married, but. tonight she felt like a. princess." And um I. just I don't need to hear anything else.

And um then we got back more of the. testimonies from the from the first year. and hearing from people in in some of. the places that we serve, you know, driving for hours and some of them. walking for hours and and and we. thought, man, maybe this is maybe this. is something God wants us to do. And. that next year, uh we decided we're. going to we're going to do this until. God tells us no. And so that next year, uh we did it again and had 201. Wow. And.

then the next year 375 and and then on. and on and on and um and then even. through co we were able to do it through. shineons and and adjust a little bit but. still have it. And then um uh now this. last year we had over 820 locations in. 64 nations and all 50 states and 800 and. how many? over 820 locations around the. world and um. uh I think maybe.

186 something thousand volunteers. celebrating well over 100,000 kings and. queens and um and we got to be a part of. some of those and um and Vietnam and and. um and my wife was in South Africa and. then we were in Thailand and we getting. to see them and you know now I've been. able to experience night shines in I. don't know maybe over 20 countries now. and I can't speak most of the languages. I can barely speak English but it Sean.

it doesn't change it doesn't change. based on the country yes culturally we. change cuz we want to be culturally. relevant and appropriate but the feel of. the night doesn't change because it's. not about English or Spanish or French. or Tagalague or whatever language it's a. different language. It's a language on. God's love, his worth, and his value for. humanity. And that's why when we're in. Thailand, in Vietnam, in uh all of these. countries, or we're right here, the feel.

of the night is one of of hopefully of. agape love. one of my pastors, Pastor. Joby Martin and and Jacksonville, Florida. Um, you know, one of the. kindest compliments he gave our team is. he said, "It smells like Jesus." Oh, man. And um and it's our favorite night. of the year. And and honestly, through. that, God has opened more doors um. through that than anything else that.

I've ever experienced. Um we have had um. heads of states, prime ministers that. have had family members, daughters, cousins, relatives that have attended. We have had um the daughters of uh of. crime families attend um and um just. testim because so much of them they. where does some of their family go? They. want to be loved. They love some of them.

love their daughters and families and. they like and um just crazy testimonies. that we've been able to experience. families that have been walking or. carrying their kids for 20 hours to get. there. Like, and here in in America. specifically, we we don't always. know really understand the honor and. shame culture, but I know you've. traveled and been places and we've been. able to see a lot of countries around.

the world. Most countries are an honor. shame culture around the world. There's. a lot of them. And so many times they. believe that this boy or girl brings. shame to their family. So many so many I could tell you story. after story after story of kids that. have been chained up, kept in the. basement cuz they brought shame to their. family. Kids that were told by their. their community told them, "You need to. drown your child or you need to. suffocate your child. Your child is not. worth living. Your child brings shame to. your family." And so when you're dealing.

with um and honor and shame cultures. where they have been told over and over. again, there's many countries that we. serve in that they will say uh if you. say how many kids do you have Sean, they. will say I have three and then I have. one disabled. They won't even put them. in the same category. They won't count. them. But what we have seen when the. biggest night in their community, the. biggest celebration is held for what. some of you call the throwaway or the. less than or the ones that brought. shame, but now they're bringing honor to.

your family. They're the head of the. table. They're on the red carpet, which. signifies VIP. Very important people. Like that's who they are. And we. celebrate them. It's not just Yes, it is. for them and we would do it just for. them, but it's also in the community. It's also in their families. It's also. to be able to share with the family. This is how we see your boy or girl. This is how we see your family member. because this is how we believe God sees. your family member. And it has opened so. many doors all over the world um in.

serving the most vulnerable and they. say, "Man, if you if you love that boy. or girl, would you want to come do this. ministry? Would you you want to fight. this way in our country with our. people?" because it it's just it's. helped us earn so much trust in so many. places and I could tell you story after. story after testimony after testimony. and another one of my favorites is. actually in a roundabout way through. Night to Shine is also how I met my wife. as. well. Wow. I mean, that's. just I love the strategic angle. You.

know, you create that that. amazing, memorable, good experience. inside of a church with the with the. hope that they come back to the church. and you connect the church and that. community. And it's one of the easiest. ways that we have found for churches to. invite people to be a part of it. And. they can invite and volunteer. Hey, do. you want to come to this celebration or. prom night feel? And do you want to. cheer on the red carpet? Do you want to. be a buddy? And they have this amazing.

night and they fall in love. And then. when you leave, it's like, dang, I fell. in love with that young man. I fell in. love with that young girl. I loved them. so much. Now, how can I walk by them on. Monday? How can I view them less than on. Tuesday? Mhm. And it it it's just. something about when you experience that. I I the next day, wait a second, I can't. just act like I didn't experience that. And God does something in our heart and. softens our heart and softens our eyes. to to then say, man, I God's love isn't.

just for me. It's for everyone. It's for. all of them. And I got to see it and I. got to experience it. And I really. believe uh um individuals with special. needs um one of the biggest ways they. impact our communities is that man they. are such joybringers and they bring such. joy and I wish and pray so many times I. could have the joy of so many of the.

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and so I'm asking you this stuff for my. own knowledge and and and I just I'm I'm. really interested in this. I had a I had. an experience about 2 years ago uh that. really brought me to faith and um I I. grew up Catholic, lost it and then and. then had this very profound experience. in Sedona and uh where God basically had. slapped me in the face three times right. in a row and got my attention and and so.

that's that's kind of why I was asking. you and and now you know I always want. to do things to better the world and. whether that's exposing corruption or or. or diving into certain subjects or. bringing light to certain things and. and sometimes I'll find myself I'll like. dive into these subjects and it gets. real dark and then I'll pull myself out. and and I'll I'll start to think all. right I've.

I've brought this in front of a lot of. eyes and and the people that can really. make things happen. And then I kind of. search for the next thing like God, what. do you want me to do next? And I'll. spend this time in limbo and I I don't. like limbo. Like I'm like, let give it. to me. And um it like feed me. Come on, let's go. And and I think that's through my own. fault because I I have to have I'm I'm.

getting better at so I get a gut feeling. and and I'm I'm learning I think that's. how God speaks to me is through my gut. and I can't even imagine all the. external influences that you deal with. I deal with a lot of them, too. And and. I'm always like, is this really like for. a good reason or is this just me being. selfish. and and so I'm sure that the signs are. there, I'm just not the best at picking.

them up uh right off the bat, but I'm. learning more and more to lean into my. gut. And the gentleman downstairs who I. was just talking to, you know, he had. asked how how does he speak to you? and it's through my gut, but if he I. feel like if he really wants me to do. something, he puts it in front of. me three or four times right in a row. And so the latest thing was, and I'm I'm.

gonna be a little vague here because I. don't want to I don't want the word to. get out to where I'm going, but a really. good friend, um, his name's DJ Shipley, and he's he's. a former development group guy, teaches. tactics, and he was talking to me. about somebody that he's affiliated with. who. is. basically going under investigation. for war crimes.

against. Islamists. And this is this is one of. the countries who's. who's there's a lot of this going on all. over Europe and and and wanted me to. potentially interview this guy. And I'm. like, well, you. know, I don't know. It's really. expensive to go there. I got to bring my. whole team. D and he's he's like, "Well, he's really good friends with you with.

our mutual friend so and so." And I'm. like, "All right, let me let me think. about it. I got to think this is a big. strategy thing I got to think about. I. don't even know if it would be good for. this guy to come on and and and expose. what's going on in in this particular. country.". I'm boarding the plane while I'm talking. to him. I hang up the. phone. I get my seat and the mutual. friend that he said could give me more.

context on this has the seat next to me. in the plane. Wow. And um I see him and. I'm I'm like I'll just call him Joel. I'm like Joel. Like I was I literally. just hung up the phone with DJ about yes. your guys's mutual friend and he wants. me to go interview him. Can you give me. some more context? And so the plane was. delayed a little bit. We're sitting on. the tarmac and while we're having this.

discussion, my producer Jeremy sends me. the Instagram profile of the exact same. guy and he goes, "This looks like a. really interesting interview." Not even. knowing, not even knowing the context of. why this guy got brought to my. attention, but I mean it was three. things. Bam, bam, bam. In about 10 to 15. minutes, I get hit three times with, "You need to interview this guy, Sean.". And so, to me, to me, I don't know how.

that lines up with scripture. I'm not. there yet. I get really confused uh. reading the Bible, and I don't always. understand what I'm reading. So do I. But to me, that is some type of divine. intervention that is saying, "Sean, I. want you to go interview this guy. I. want you there. this needs to be brought. to the light. And so now now we're. strategizing on on how exactly we're. going to do this, who we're going to. connect him with that that that can make. a difference over there.

Turns out that just a couple weeks ago, another really good friend of mine that. has a lot of powerful friends and in. different parts of the world connected. me about not the exact same subject, but. the fact that. that I I don't want to give any more. information cuz I don't but but that's. that's that's that's how he does it to. me. and and and so that's why I was. asking like how how long do you.

spend dissecting all these different. avenues and and how do you know which. way God is telling you to go and and and. so anyways for me that's that's how it. happens. So then what what would you do. with it? What is there any process you. try to take it through like hey I got a. team of mentors and wise counsel I bring. it to or is there any it's just hey when. it hits my gut three times I go with it. Yep. And it it's little like. synchronicities that I see like I I'll.

bring another example up. We we were. going uh I I went to Romania and I. interviewed this guy Colleen Georgescue. and. um he was leading the elections and they. just yanked his name and and and. and they yanked his name because they. they basically they say that he's a. puppet for Russia and um Romania has the. the the the biggest NATO vase ever to be. built in Europe. It's it would be a.

major offensive base for for NATO to. strike Russia. Uh very strategic. location. And I'm like, man, like I. don't know if I should be doing this. Like I I don't know everything about. this. This isn't I love geopolitics, but. I I just I don't know if I'm doing this. for the right. reasons. And there's a quote that. somebody told me, and this quote popped. in my head on the airport on the way. there. Like even on the way there, I'm. like, I'm not is this really what I'm.

supposed to do or am am I making a deal. with the devil here? And I had said to. myself, I said, the truth is like a. lion. Set it free and it will defend. itself. I tweeted that. out. About 10 seconds later, this woman. walks around the corner in the airport. and she has this huge glittery like. sequence lion head on her shirt. And I. was like, that's the confirmation that I.

needed. And so I I felt good about the. interview. And and I I just feel like he. speaks to me. And now a lot of people, you know, like I said, I'm fairly new to. this. A lot of people might say, "Oh, well that could be that could be Satan. also tricking you." Maybe it was, maybe. it wasn't, but I had a strong gut. feeling and and so I went with it. And another thing that that literally. just. happened was um I went to I went to Boca.

Raton to get the the you know, the MRI. cancer screening, the full body scan. Cancer is probably my biggest fear of. all time. Like I've I've seen people. suffering from brain cancer and I it's. like every other day, you know, you hear. somebody, oh, so and so got cancer. Oh, so and so got diagnosed, so and so died. And and I see, you know, what people. that have that go through on their. journey to death. And and I'm like, man,

I would really love to just drop dead. and and just go peacefully and not have. to battle that. and me and my wife have. been taking our health very seriously. and and so we're. getting proactive about it and we went. down and did this cancer screening and. I'm I I don't do well with anticipation. of waiting for test results and it takes. about a week. We go do this scan. We did. it together and we're both really.

worried about it. We have a. three-year-old and a one-year-old and. all these thoughts are going like what. if what if one of us gets diagnosed? What how do we treat the other? How do. we treat them in front of the kids? How. do we explain this to the kids that you. know and especially a three-year-old and. one what's it going to be like if I do. get diagnosed? And then Katie's raising. them herself and they don't even really. have a profound memory of their dad. Anyways, we get done with the cancer. scan and my my number, how I came to.

Christ. Uh, a big part of that story is. the number. 444, which I looked up. That got slapped. to me three. times in about 5 minutes. Looked at my. dash. It was 444 on the at the time. There was 444 miles left to empty. And. there was it was 4 hours and 44 minutes. after I had a meeting with somebody who. I thought was an IT meeting and he was. telling me, "Sean, there's guardian. angels watching over you." So it was 444.

three times and I guess about 10 seconds. and we get done with this cancer. screening and I pull out my phone and. it's 4:44 and so I Katie got done and I. said, "Hey, we're going to be fine." I said, I. looked at my my phone right after we got. done with this screening and it was. 4:44. And. then I pulled up it was like right then.

I pulled up I don't know X or YouTube or. whatever one of the social platforms and. it had 444 across the board. It was like. 444 likes, 444 shares, 444 comments or. something like that. And so there it. happened. again. And I told I showed my wife. I'm. like, "Look at this." And then we were. staying at her parents' house and they. had lost power and the Kurig machine was.

not at the right time, you know, it was. on whatever when the power kicked back. on. And right before I went to bed, I. made I made I I made a a cup of tea or. something and I used the carrig and I. looked at the carrig and it said 444 and. I just I was like. he's got us like we're fine. we're going to nothing's going to pop up. on the screen. I just had the gut. feeling and sure as.

test results come in and um we're 100%. cancer free. And so. that's in a nutshell in a very quick uh. explanation that is how I communicate. with with God. Thank you for sharing. that with me. I so appreciate hearing. your heart and perspective of what. you've been through and the signs that. you feel like of how God speaking to.

you. Um can I ask you a question on that? Absolutely. If. um you you mentioned this is how I knew. that God's got me and you knew the gut. feeling is not going to come up. Do you. think God's Got you any less if. something did pop up on the screening? No, I. don't I don't think that. But I think. that is.

more of confidence in in this specific. one. I think that was even if I did have. it like I felt. like like to me I felt like I'm not. finished with you yet. I'm going to. still use you as a conduit because. that's how I think of myself is I'm just. you said it earlier, you know, with the. with the platform that God gave you and. and. and ever since this is in this show's. inception, even though I wasn't on the.

walk with Christ at the very beginning, like I still had very good intentions. and and they were selfless. and I I wasn't making any money doing. that was paying money to to to bring. light to other veterans to uplift their. business and their struggles and to. bring hope to veterans, you know, really. all throughout the world. Like, yeah, I. know like how bad it gets. I tried to.

commit suicide. I was addicted to drugs. I was an alcoholic. Like I I. understand the transition. from fighting wars to trying to fit in. with society and build something. completely new. And that was really all. I wanted to do. That's why this whole. thing started was I wanted to do that. And then I'm I'm losing track of where I. was going with this. But but but then is. is is my journey to Christ. when that. happened to me in.

Sedona, it just it really fueled it. And. and in so this is where I'm going. I. mean, you had said that the platform. that God gave you, that's how I view my. show is I'm I'm just a conduit. uh to information of whatever God wants. to reveal. I love it. And and. can I just throw out one one thought of. just listening to you in your your heart. of and I could be totally out of line. with it, but I'm listening to your heart.

and from the start of hey, you're saying. I'm a trutht teller and I want to tell. the truth and I'll tell people stories. cuz I want to help them. And along the. way and then you uh you meet the king. and through all of these things and. God's doing this work in you and I I. don't know. It's hard for me not to. think, well, you're you're telling these. stories of truth and it's leading you. all the way to the truth and and now. you're still a trutht teller. You just.

get to tell the truth as well. Mhm. And. now it's your whole framing. I just um I. love that cuz I think sometimes, you. know, God creates us in a certain way. and we use that, you know, the way we. think so, but then he's like, "Hey, I. want you to use that this way." And it's. not that he necessarily doesn't I think. he gives you those drives for a reason, just to steer it the right way. And I I.

just love it. I think it's so cool. I. couldn't help. as just starting thinking. of as a trutht teller of trying you're. hey I want to tell these stories I want. the people to know the truth I want to. uncover I want them to see and there's a. lot of our world that needs to see they. need to see certain things they need to. be aware there's evils that we got to. fight back again there is good things. that aren't getting promoted aren't. getting the praise or recognition um and. ultimately you you get to share and you. do it and and uh you know God's taking.

on a journey and you're getting to show. that journey to the world of that story. of figuring out the truth and um so it's. just cool. I love hearing it cuz it's. just it's an encouragement to me. Thank. you. Thank you. I love doing it, too. I. mean, it's like I've made mistakes. I'll. continue to make mistakes, but um but. everything I do is. within with my best intentions. And I. just I just there's just so much.

struggle in the world. And and if if if. you are given the gift of a platform. and I mean it's just your duty to. to steward that in the in in the right. ways and um I really it it weighs heavy. on me to to to do that and well thank. you for carrying that the burden of it. because it's um it's so important. Um, one of our core values is that we.

embrace the joy and the burden of the. calling. And it's not enough just to do. the joy. And sometimes that's more fun. times, but there's also a burden with. it. But I actually. believe we have a burden because of the. kindness of God. that he would let our. lives and our choices and the impact. that comes from that that we would care. enough about it that we would be. burdened for something that you would be. burdened to tell these stories that that.

we would be burdened enough to care for. the MVP to do whatever and leverage. everything so they could experience. freedom and faith hope and love like. burden while it's comes across as a. negative connotation I don't view it. that way it's heavy and it's hard but. it's worth it. Mhm. It's worth and if. you didn't have a. burden, why would we do. it? And I I actually really believe and. this is a journey for me over the.

probably the course of the last 3 years. that man, we're so burdened for. something or someone that why cuz we. care. because there's a something deep. in our heart that has moved us that. stirred us to that that we believe we. can move the needle, make an impact, change a life. And we are so burdened to. do so. And so I just encourage you that. when you say you're burdened, um I think you can also view a burden as. a blessing. It's a blessing that God.

would give me a burden to tell these. stories, to try to tell the truth, to. try to shine the light. like I'm. burdened to do so because of the. kindness of God, he would give me this. platform or let me borrow this platform. And then you mentioned stewardship on. that and stewardship is fascinating. concept that gets thrown out all the. time. But in the Greek it goes back to. the um Greek word okonomia which just. means a you know um a house manager cuz. it's not my home. I'm just taking care. of it till the owner comes back. And.

that that's in my opinion how we should. try to use our lives, our platforms, our. bodies, our energy, our mindset, it's. not even mine. God just let me borrow it. for a little bit. But when the owner. comes back is everything in order, you. know, I I love that. And and and also I. mean if you didn't have a huge heart, then you wouldn't have a burden. Yes. And and so that when somebody's burdened. by something or troubled by something or. or it's because there's a heart. Yes.

And a big heart and then to act on it. I. mean. it's it's a uncomfortable gift. Yes, it. is. That's such a good way to say that. And um oh I I'll get fired up about this. because sometimes it it um be honest is. sometimes it really bothers me when. people will talk about it in such. negative ways or say no I don't want to. be burdened by that or I will have some.

people um like I'll be in certain groups. and someone in that group might ask me. if it's a small group they'll say hey. can you tell me about some of the the. fight against trafficking or. exploitation or can you tell me some of. stories or some of the and you'll start. to tell and then you'll of other people. that and this this isn't rare. This. happens quite often. They'll say, "No, no, don't tell me because it reminds me. of my kids. Don't know. Don't don't tell. me cuz I don't want to know that. Don't. tell me cuz I don't want to hear that.". And uh one time I was with a a small. group at a a fundraiser on a golf course.

and I was asked by one of the guys and. the other guy couple other guys said, "No, no, don't tell me." Very, very. successful, powerful, could help a lot. of people. And. um and I I was so burdened by them. saying, "No, don't. I don't want to. know. I don't want to hear it. I don't. want to have those thoughts cuz it'll. remind me of my kids." And I probably. shouldn't have responded this way, but. out of a little bit of maybe temper. irritation, I responded and I said, "If.

the boys and girls that are going. through this evil could hear you right. now, what hope do you think they would. have?". Wow. And maybe it was disrespectful. What did. they say to that? Um, nothing for a few. minutes. It was just And it maybe was a. disrespectful and I maybe could have. coded it nicer, but it was. like, yes, there are burdens and there. is evil, but if we don't stand up and do.

anything, who's going to do it? You're. just You think it's somebody else's. responsibility? Yeah. I I mean this is. this is you know literally going back to. Kitty Genevvisi and I think it's 1963 or. 61 or something like that and it's the. the story that led to the bystander. effect where um Kitty Genevvis is. walking home late at night and and she. gets attacked and stabbed um four times. or something like that and the lights. turn on from the apartment complex where.

she's walking into and the attacker runs. away and and hides behind a car and um. and she gets up and stumbles into the. the hallway of an apartment complex and. she sees he sees no one goes to aid. And. so he comes all the way back and attacks. her again. I think stabs her maybe eight. more times. I think steals $49. Um I. believe he also rapes her and it um. supposedly over 30 people um saw some of.

this or some most of it and has even. reported that one of the guys in the. hallway opened the door and looked out. but nobody came to her aid. Nobody came. to her aid. And so anyways, make a. longer story short, she died on the way. to the hospital and it was a big story. and everybody's writing and talking. about it and they started studying this. case and it was where the bystander. effect came from that the more people. are present the less likely someone is. to do something cuz they all feel like. it's somebody else's job. And this is.

also the start of where the 911 call. came from was from this night in New. York City of Kitty Junior VC losing her. life. And there's some controversy of. how many people actually saw, how many. people didn't see, but the point is. there were a lot of people that saw that. knew something bad was happening, but. they all thought somebody else is going. to call, going to go, going to do. And. we just as a um as um people in society, as believers in church and ministry and. and just life, we can't think somebody. else is going to go. Yeah. It's it's not.

somebody else's job, it's my job. And we. talk about that with our team all the. time. You can't think this is somebody. this is our job. Like regardless of what. somebody else does, it's our job. So. when we are our the definition we use. for calling is an urgent and divine. invitation to accept responsibility for. a particular task. If God is calling. you, it doesn't matter what anybody else. does. Will you believe it's divine and. that it's urgent? And will you accept. responsibility regardless of what.

anybody else says? Yes, we want to rally. people to the fight. 100% of our is our. part of our goal. We got to do that. But. regardless if anybody else does it, will. you do it if you know you're called? And. and I think there's, you know, part of. the bystander effect, which is so real. for all of us, at least I know me. Well, is anybody else doing it? No. But what. does that matter? Is it right? And will. I do it? Yep. I'm I'm 100% with you. I. mean, I I think that the reason when.

you're talking about cuz I've dove into. this topic a lot on this show with with. small outfits, with big outfits, with I. was just telling you about Ryan. Montgomery, who I'm going to bring up. again later in the show, but you know, I. I think that there when people when. you're talking about educating people on. the topic of sex exploitation and sex. trafficking, I don't think it's that. they don't want to hear it because it. reminds them of their kids. I think it. is. They don't want to hear it because. then that becomes a responsibility.

to act that gets in the way of their own. selfish desires. And that's just how I think of it. I. mean, how could you not want to know. about this stuff just to you have kids. and it makes you think of them? Wouldn't. you want to know what's out there to be. able to protect your kids from that kind. of an evil? I mean, that's right. I sure. as hell do. Absolutely. And but I think. that especially with I'm sure with some. of the circles that that that you have.

access to and that maybe you run in or. whatever. I mean. greed is a powerful it's powerful man. And it gets in the way you know if to. for somebody to achieve. and to keep going toward uh egregious is. that towards greed. I mean, if you throw. if you throw a a blocker in like that, it's not even a blocker, but they look. at it as a blocker. It's I don't have.

time to deal with this because I need a. disruption in their life. Absolutely. It's a disruption in their own comfort. and and to achieve their own selfish. desires and they don't want to take the. time and comfort is a whole another. conversation. But that stuff, man, that just Yeah, that gets to me when especially when. it's somebody that could actually really. make a difference, whether it's whether. it's, you know, through service or or or. or. financing or or exposure. I mean, I I.

told you at the beginning of about Ryan. and and what he what I saw him when I. found that reel on Instagram of. him basically hacking into pedophilia. websites and getting the user base and. trying to get that to to one of the. federal agencies to act on it. No, nobody was paying attention to him. And my biggest platform is YouTube, which is owned by Google. They don't. like talking about this stuff. and and.

it was a big discussion with my team and. I was like, I don't give a what. happens. Like, this guy is grinding. He's trying to do good. Nobody's paying. attention and we're going to put this in. front of millions and millions of people. because and and if it gets taken away. because we did something good, I don't. care like that. I feel called to this. This is what I'm going to do. People. need to hear about this. They need to.

know what's going on. It scares the hell. out of pedophiles. What we did, it. educated parents. It brought hope and. and it it. it shined a light on Ryan so that so. that people that do want to help that. are making a difference like you, I. mean, we brought him up. to through that show and I didn't bring. him up. I mean, God brought him up, but. it it enabled him to to operate at his.

fullest potential. Wow. And and he's. doing he has gone on to do amazing. things completely selfless and and I. feel like that's my I feel like that's. my place in the world right now is to is. to find people like that, tell stories. and and expose it for good. Well, you. have a a platform that has a chance to. um expose, to share, to build someone. up. Um and it's what a a blessing that.

is. I love doing it. Nothing makes me. feel better than to than to help people, you know. So, but. um man, I. would I would love to talk to you about. spiritual warfare, too. Do you I. mean, that's Okay, here we go. Yeah, that's that's what really brought me to. Christ is is I had this internal battle. where I was, you know, I was talking.

about a lot of the the the the gender. surgeries that are going on and kids. that are eight and and kids that are um. taken out of their homes by the state. and in in different states throughout. our own country and and that stuff just. like really weighed on my heart. I'm not. I'm not against those people. I mean, I. I interviewed this guy, Chris Beck, who. was the first transgender Navy Seal and. everybody hated him in the community and.

and he has since transitioned back and. is a warrior for Christ now. But I I. reached out to him cuz I was like, I. want to I want to talk to you about how. this happens and I want to understand it. and and I want kids and kids up to. adults to be able to to listen to your. story on how that happened to you, what. that did to you, and at least they at. least they have a conversation that they. can reference like this is what I'm.

about to go through. And. and I mean. it's. but but I felt like I was the only one I. wasn't but I felt like I was the only. one that was like really taking this all. in and and and it it it felt like. through social media and and and legacy. media and all these that nobody cared. about these topics. And I'm like, it got.

to the point where I was like, Sean, why. do you even care? Why do you give a. Like, maybe you're the maybe. you're the one that's wrong here and and. trying to fight this and and and expose. some of the stuff that's going on that. that's not being displayed through. social media and legacy media. And I I. to be honest with you, man, it felt like. I was like surrendering my heart to the. devil. And cuz you knew that you needed.

to talk about it. Yeah. But I I had I. knew that I did, but I I I it was I felt. so alone that I I thought maybe I'm the. one that's wrong here. And this happened. to me in Sedona and I had a major. breakdown. And I walk through this gate. and this guy like and I'm a former SEAL, former CIA guy, but we pay a lot of. attention to security and stuff like. that. And a lot of the guys that worked. that gate at that specific resort knew.

my show and we would talk and high-five. them and all this stuff. And we were. there for a week. I walked through. there see this guy that I've never seen. before in my life and he's trying to. talk to me. He's like, "Hey, I'm a. Vietnam vet." And I'm. like, "Dude, I just surrendered my heart. to Satan. I don't want to talk. Like, I. just want to go to my room." And my wife. turned to him and and was talking to. him. And he looked at me and he read my. mind from front to back. Legitimately.

read my mind. And the first words out of. his mouth were all this stuff with the. transgender stuff and the kids. And he. goes, "That's not your fight, man.". And then he started talking about China. because there was I'm really spun up on. just a lot of the stuff that's going on. in there. And after that, my mind, he. freaked me out. I was like, "How are you. in my head right now? How do you know. what my thoughts are? I've been here for. a week. I've never seen you. I pay a lot.

of attention to this stuff. I know every. other guy that works the gate here. except you." I go to my. room and I had an experience with what I. believe to. be my guardian angel. I'm really. breezing through this because I want to. get back to you. And then at the. beginning of that trip, my best friend. here in Franklin died. and uh he was. also a seal and he was a he was a guy. that he was a guy a very successful.

businessman that I could relate to and. that I knew he wasn't going to ask me. for favors and we could just sit down. and talk and I don't want anything from. him. He doesn't want anything from me. He died on a hunting trip with his son. had a heart attack. in my opinion. Great way to go. Um, and his daughter, who I'd never. spoken to, uh, Taylor Cerillo texted me. that night and basically told me, this.

is all again within 10, 15. minutes. She says, "Hey, Sean, uh, I. I've never spoken to her. She didn't. have my number. She must have got it. from her dad's phone." and she said, "I. walked into my dad's gun room last night. and for the and he spoke to me and said. that I need to reach out to you and that. you were. his best friend and that he could relate.

to you in ways that nobody else could. relate to him and and he wanted you to. know that he loves you just the way that. you are." And that was like the icing on. the cake for me. I was like, "Okay.". Like I was I had done psychedelics to to. treat PTSD and then some of the some. other traumatic brain injury and stuff. like that. And that had kind of set me. on this road where I was like, "Oh, it's. the universe. It's this. It's that it's. I don't know what it is, but I just know. there's something." And then that night.

it was like. this is God. That was that old man who. I'd never seen before. he was speaking. through him and he read my mind from. front to back and it freaked me out. And. um and so I think like when I think of. spiritual warfare, I've described this. before. I I think it is a neverending. battle between good and evil. And the. way I kind of envision it is if you look.

at a a a two-color. marble, it's black and white. But let's say that the it's it's it's. it's like a fluid in there and you just. see like the black sometimes starts to. overtake the white. You spin it around. and then the white starts to over I feel. like it's this neverending battle within. our within our hearts and within the. world and then it's just always going. back and forth back and forth and it's.

just this fluid and eventually one will. completely overtake the. other. I. um thank you for sharing all that with. me. Um, that's a lot to take in and. digest and I'm sure it's a it was so. much for you. Um, my first thought is. that because of the hope that we have in. Jesus, it's not not a never- ending. battle. It is a battle that will end. And it's a battle we already know who.

won. That because of the cross, we. already know that we've won because he. won for us. But one of the things that I. I think the enemy wants to do is um what. we know his tactic it is to steal, kill, and destroy. Right? He's the father of. lies. And how's he doing it? Stealing, killing, and destroying. Um and.

um but yet even in the midst of that, we. get to have this hope. And but what does. that even mean, right? When we say we. have this hope, this hope that uh we. know is an anchor for our soul. firm and. secure. This hope that we have in Jesus. that um that we have this this hope that. brings us um joy and fulfillment that we. have this hope in all of it. Well, when. I think some of the best definitions or. the best definition that I've heard of. the biblical form of hope, not the hope.

we use and flipping a coin and hoping it. lands on heads, you know, not the I hope. Florida beats Georgia next year. Not. that type of hope, but the biblical form. of hope. I believe one of the best. definitions is to look forward with. confidence, expectation, and. anticipation. To look forward with. confidence. Why? Because we've already. won. Because God won for us. Anticipation. Why? Because we know God's. still at work. That he's working in us. and through us. Even in our our flaws.

and failures, God's still working. He's. using screw-ups to to impact the world. But then also expectation. And one of my favorite things to think. about of expectation is is. heaven because we get we know our best. days ahead of ahead of us because heaven. is ahead of us. So we get to look. forward with confidence, expectation, anticipation, and we get to um we know.

that that we have won. But what the. enemy wants to do is he wants to de dim. diminish that. Is there is there and he. wants to say is it really one's question. is a counterfeit counterfeit everything. that God said is it did you really win. is it do you really want to believe do. you really want to give your life for. him do you really want to serve people. or you just want to feel good about. yourself or you know you need this you. need this and so I believe a lot of the. spiritual warfare is about the renewing. of our mind which voice are we going to. listen to we're going to listen to the.

voice of the enemy that's putting all of. these thoughts with the goal to kill. steal and destroy or are we going to. listen to God's voice and the voice of. truth of what he's done, what he's. doing, and what he's going to do. ultimately how we win. And I really feel. like it's a battle of the mind and a. battle of the heart and it goes together. because our heart, if we don't stay soft. to things, our heart hardens, our heart. gets less and less tender to the things. of God and the things of good and the. compassion for other people because.

compassion is not a comfortable thing. And we talked about comfort for just a. second. Compassion actually, you know, goes back to the the Greek word. splanknizomi, which means to be moved. from your most inward parts. It is a. very is not comfortable. It is a painful. thing. Eight time, I believe it's used. 12 times in the New Testament. Eight. times to refer to Jesus, this word. splankom, to be moved from your most. inward parts. But so many times after it. says that Jesus had compassion, moved. from his most inward parts and he met. their needs. He healed them. He cared.

for them. Like and I think that's so. important for us to understand because. it's not comfortable. It can even be. painful to have compassion. But. compassion isn't a distance thing. It's. not an empathy or sympathy. Compassion. is very up close and personal. But when. our heart gets hardened, we are less. compassionate. We are less caring. We. are less thoughtful. All of these. things. And it ties hand in hand, I. believe, with our head and our thoughts. of, you know, it's why we're told so. much in in in scripture to consider one.

another as more important than yourself. Not that they are more. important. Consider them as more. important. Right? So, our thoughts are. on other people. Our thoughts just on. ourselves, but the enemy wants to say, "No, no, no. Sean, you just think about. you. Think about what's best for your. show. You don't need to tell that story. You don't need to tell hard stories, right? and just going to lie to you. about all of these things. And so we. could dive into that really deep in a. lot of things, but I feel like it is. about this keeping our heart soft, keeping our our mind clear, or maybe a.

better way to say it, not clear, but. focus on the truth, focus on the words. of scripture, focus on the truth, so. that we're not listening to the lie. And. I tell you, I really believe that. I've. um had those thoughts that I know that. aren't from God and I I didn't get rid. of them quickly. I didn't go back to. God's word. I didn't go back to. scripture. I didn't go back to truth. I. didn't at at certain times have the. people around me where I could say, "Hey, you we we we got to flush this. out. We got to talk. I need wife's. counsel. I need mentors in this." And I.

really believe that's a is a really big. part of fighting it is getting in God's. word, putting on the armor of God. Um, knowing what his word says and and. through that the renewing of our mind so. that we're not listening to the wrong. voices, listening to the lies of the. enemy because we know what his goal is. It's been clear for a long time and he. is sly and he is cunning and he is the. father of lies and we have to be able to. know the truth so that we can also know.

when the lie shows up. What is his goal? You said we all know we all know what. his goal is. It's to kill, steal, and. destroy. His goal for humanity is to. kill, steal, and. destroy. And uh I love it because. scripture tells us his goal is to kill, steal, and destroy. But Jesus came to. give life and life abundantly. You have. it right there. It's it's right here. The enemy's goal, the devil's goal in. King Jesus's goal is to give life and. life.

abundantly. And when we we look at that, I I think that's true in a lot of. senses. True in the purpose and meaning. and significance of life, but also life. abundantly in heaven, life in eternity. There's so much to that, but ultimately. this is um the balance of which voice. are we going to listen to. We know the. enemy's his goal from scripture. We know. our God's heart for humanity and what he. did for humanity and what his goal is. It is so that we would have life and.

have life abundantly that we would have. peace and not just peace but his peace. He said, "Peace I give to you. My peace. I give to you." How do we have that. peace? Well, the promises of God, the. truth of scripture, a relationship with. Christ. And so, that's not diving into. as much of spiritual warfare, but it's. how do we counteract that? How do we. fight that? How do we f the first stand. against that is by knowing the truth? Because if not, if we don't know the. truth and we're not renewing our mind in. knowing God's word, well, how do we even.

know the truth? How do we know the. difference between the truth and the. lie? Right? And that's why it's so. important in God's word, in time prayer, and wise counsel. I know I've said it. multiple times, but I just believe it's. so important. So, I would even go back. to the wise council part with um in. Proverbs, it's a book about wisdom. And. um so many times in Proverbs, I believe. it's almost 30 times in Proverbs, Solomon is pleading with his sons and. all of us, but I also believe he's. pleading with his sons to be Mousar.

driven. Musar is a a Hebrew word, my. favorite Hebrew words because it means. instruction, discipline, correction, or. teaching. And he's saying, "Be moosar. driven. Seek these things. Be open to. these things. Instruction, discipline, correction, teaching." But when we first hear that, like we flinch. We don't want it. I. don't want instruction. I definitely. don't want discipline. Like correction, no. Who wants that? And teaching like, "Yeah, it sounds a little bit better, but we don't we don't crave those. things. We don't want it." But he's.

pleading. One of the wisest men of all. time is saying, "Please be Mousar. driven. Seek these things. Have wise. counsel, wise people around you. Seek. it. Be a lifelong learner. Be in God's. word. Be listening to people. So, because it's so easy, any of us at any. time start listening to the wrong voices. and you let a lie creep in and it starts. to fester and you don't get rid of it. And it starts to go from here to here. Starts to harden your heart. And now all. of a sudden, I'm I'm I'm going down a.

path that I thought I would never go. down. And I'm having thoughts I thought. I would never have. And I just think. that is so important. And then we see. like Solomon's son takes over the. kingdom and his first big decision he. chooses to listen to his friends over. the. elders and destroys the kingdom because. instead of listening to wise counsel to. elders to getting advice and wisdom he's. he's listening to the you know not that. your friends can't also be wise counsel. but you know he's choosing his friends.

over godly wisdom and he makes a. terrible decision and I I couldn't help. but think of that as we're talking about. it that in how do we fight this? I. believe those are some of the steps. Some of the steps that I haven't always, you know, done well and I'm, you know, part of that I'm preaching to myself on. How much of the world do you think is a. lie? How much of what we all think that. we know for a fact is a lie? Oh, I don't even know how to answer.

that. Can you ask me in a different way? Well, I could there's just so much cover. up going on and and so much deception. And I mean, when you look. at pandemics. [Music]. and gender ideology and what's. acceptable and what isn't and.

and policies that are made and and just. all the lies that are going that we. already know about that are going on not. just in our country but throughout the. world. I mean, I've I've come to the. point. where I think that when we die, we will. realize everything that we think we know. is some type of a lie and or deception.

and and and and that's another thing. that brought me to Christ was it is the. I was at a point in my life where the. little that I did know. about the word of God seemed to. be it was the only thing left that I. could relate to and the way I process. that is that and you've. you truth it is the only truth.

Everything that you think you. know has potential to be a lie except. for that. Well, truth by definition is. exclusive. So when people will even say, "Well, my truth and your truth." Well, there really probably we should say it's. my opinion and your opinion. But that. there's only one truth and in a. situation there's only one truth of what. happened. And when we talk about the. truth and the way and the life we are. talk there it's exclusive by definition.

I think we have to understand it but you. know when when you asked that question. my heart went to. um I do believe that there are so many. lies that are being told to us. especially to the next generation and I. look at that 12% of our daily thoughts. are spent in some form of comparison. like it's crazy when I first heard that. stat I thought What 12% of our daily. thoughts what? So what are we saying by. that? What we're saying is 12% of my day.

is. thinking I need to be more like him. I. need to look like her. I need to act. like that. Cuz we're telling the next. generation who you are isn't enough. You. need to change so you're more valuable. Instead of saying no, no, you're so. valuable to God. Look what he did for. you. Right? and and and we we just tweak. it so much that there's a a little bit. of truth in there, but a lot of lies.

And that's, you know, the greatest form. of lies has a tiny bit of truth in it, but it's masqueraded with a whole lot of. lies. And then you look at with young. people, um, the loneliness epidemic. I. mean, it's off the charts here and. around the world. You look at the. suicide rate and you look at especially. for young girls and the the rate at. which they're considering suicide. It's. off of the charts. And you you have to. say it's because we're we're telling.

them so many of the wrong things, but. they're also flooded with so many. voices. And you you get your phone and. you look at it and they're on this all. time and they think I'm surrounded by a. community and fellowship, but it's not. They're looking at other people's fake. best days and they're comparing it with. their own worst days and they're saying, "Okay, because of this, I need to. change. I need adapt. I need to look. like her. I need to have the surgery. I. need to have this change. I need to make. that team or I'm not worth it. I'm not. this. I'm not that." You know, and all.

of that instead of saying, "No, no, no. When God made you, he made you one of. one in love, by love, and for love. On. purpose, for a purpose, fearfully and. wonderfully made." And we say that and. you know so many people in church you. know fearfully and wonderfully made. What does that even mean? Fearfully in. context and culture just means awesome. And wonderfully means unique and set. apart. And I have been so blessed to see. some of the different wonders of the. world and um natural wonders, ancient. wonders. And I feel like we're they're. coming up with more wonders just so they.

can sell more stuff. But you see some of. the wonders of the world and you get. there and sometimes you're like, "Dang, this is really cool." Like it is really. wonderful to see this. And sometimes. you're like, "Dang, this is just really. overrated." But man, I I feel like a few. times I've been able to see a a a wonder. of the world. And I've been so. encouraged cuz I thought, man, as cool. as this is, and as wonderful as this. is, it doesn't compare to how wonderful. God created every man, woman, boy, and.

girl. So when he says we are fearfully. and wonderfully made, we are more one of. one, unique and set apart and more. wonderful than any of the wonders of the. world. But yet we say all the time, oh. my gosh, could you just imagine seeing. that? Could you go to this place and see. this beauty and see this thing? And they. are awesome. That part of God's creation. is awesome. It just pales in comparison. to you and to me and every member of. society. So we we think those things are. so so beautiful and they are. They just.

don't compare to God's greatest. creation, which is you and me. And I I. would um share a story to explain that. Last year, I don't near near this time, we were in the HEG uh for um an. operation um there uh in the fight. against live streaming abuse. The the. where the HEG just outside of Amsterdam. Okay. Um and um and and so the day. before it started me and my wife got in. early and then my wife really wanted to.

go see the AnneFrank Museum and then we. are going to go to the Rake Museum. So. we go see the Annef Frank Museum and. we're out super impactful and very heavy. and deep and we leave and we go to the. Rake Museum. um which is a museum of just masterpiece. art. uh Rimbrandt, Vimeir, Van Gogh, all. of these just incredible portraits and. hundreds of people if not thousands of. people were in there that day and we're. in there and we're looking at all this. art and incredible art and you know it's.

beautiful and I got to be honest like. I'm a homeschooled lefty dyslexic kid. from Jacksonville, Florida. Like art. doesn't mean as much to me as maybe it. should or it does to my wife. Like she. really loves it. And so we're uh we're. going through and we're looking at all. of this, you know, beautiful art and and. she just definitely appreciates it more. than me. And my whole time I I'm. thinking about some other things and I'm. trying to appreciate but spend time with. my wife and we get to one of the. portraits and I I think it's if I. remember correctly I believe it's a rim. brand and I I believe it's also called.

the standard bear and it's a it's this. beautiful portrait of that I think they. just purchased a few years ago for $19.3. million if I remember correctly. and. we're looking at it and there's all. these people that are looking at it and. everyone's um taking pictures and video. of it and you know just you could hear. the ooing and oh it's so beautiful and. how you know blah blah blah and I I'm. standing kind of decided I'm looking at. it but then I'm looking at all these. people and I get so.

sad so convicted and so sad and burdened. watching it cuz I'm watching all of. these people film and video this and. they're looking at that portrait. as so much more valuable than they are. And I just was so sad. I was remembering. what we're going to do tomorrow in the. next few days and all of these lives. that are literally being purchased to be. abused and raped. And I'm thinking, "No, we're looking at this and and what. they're going through and we're saying.

this is the masterpiece." And and I'm. not trying to knock art. I'm just trying. to say that pales in comparison to every. one of you. And I I I wish I could have. told him, "Hey, take your phone, flip it. to selfie, and you'll see something more. wonderful than that portrait will ever. ever ever be." And that's part of the. lie that we're we're we're. we're trying to uncover in in in. ourselves and people is we think, "Wow, this is so beautiful cuz it's, you know,

all this money. It's beautiful because. it's called a masterpiece." No, no, no. You are more wonderful, more fearfully. made than that masterpiece of a painting. will ever be. There's no comparison. But. we put this value on societal things and. in temporal things and um and we just. think they're everything when they're. not. And I think that's another one of. the biggest lies that we have to fight. because it is something that challenges.

us every day. But if I have that, then. I'll be more valuable. If I have that, I'll feel more valuable. No, no, no, no. That's not going to fill you. That hole. that you're chasing is only a place that. God can fill. Mhm. Well, that's a heavy thought to. have in a uh art. museum. And my wife's probably like, "Why do you always got to take stuff to. be so serious? Just can't you just enjoy. some portraits and. paintings?" I'm sure she probably gets.

annoyed with me with some of that. How let's let's so originally we were. going to start with how did you meet. your wife with this segment so how how. did you meet your wife? Um, so, uh, as. Night to Shine was expanding, we had our. first Night to Shine in South Africa and. that's where my wife is from, South. Africa. And, um, she had a little sister with severe. special needs. And so, um, I heard her. share a testimony about her sister. And.

so I told the team, hey, invite her and. her family to be a part of of Night to. Shine as um um uh you know, can we. welcome and celebrate them? And and. ultimately through that um she her. sister was too sick to be able to. attend. Um but through that, um she had. heard about it. And then um we we we. sent the invitation, but she couldn't. make it. And and they responded and um I. just even in response I thought, man,

she's just so special. And I um. responded again saying, "But if there's. any way we can serve y'all and partially. because we really wanted to, but I got. to admit, I had ulterior motives. I was. like, she just seems so incredible." and. uh and she responded and we went back. and forth on email for a little bit and. she said, "I would love to learn more um. about what y'all are doing and maybe. maybe we can set up a phone call." So. after a bunch of emails back and forth, we set up a phone call and it was. supposed to just be I literally think of. the emails like well five minute phone.

call to hear more about um you know the. and supporting people with special. needs. And uh so I said, "Of course,". and we set up the phone call and that. phone call instead of being five um. minutes was um 2 hours 24 minutes and 6. seconds. Wow. And uh sounds weird, but I. got to tell you on that call. um I I had a good feeling I was going to. marry this girl I'd never met. Beautiful. Yeah.

Because even on that phone call, we both. knew we have almost nothing in common. Like her first language is Africans. I. can barely speak English. She all of her. favorite artist or movies I've never. heard of. All of her favorite songs. I like. I have no idea. She had never. seen a baseball, basketball, or football. game in her life. She had never seen my. favorite movie, Braveheart. Like there's. nothing in common. But we had everything. in purpose and um we had a a heart for.

people with special needs and and um her. sister was special needs and um in we. had a heart for fighting against the. evil of trafficking exploitation and and. she was um carjacked at gunpoint by. armed men and uh who who knows what they. wanted to do to her but so she had a um. a feeling like she would say probably. responsibility to try to uh step into. that fight after that happened. And so.

that those type of things were what. connected us of the something on such a. deeper level. And I was playing baseball. at the time and it was just I I don't. know felt so clear. I was like, man, I I. want someone that I, you know, come home. and I'm like, hey, I went one for three. with a walk. Like who cares, you know? Like what what does that matter one day? Is that where we're going to the the. special? And it's like, no, all the the. deeper things, um the meaningful things, the challenging of our heart, the the.

who we want to be, the pursuit of God in. our life, the trying to take screw-ups. and and and tests and turn it into. testimonies and all of the that's like. where we connected. And um so I I she. was Miss South Africa and then Miss. Universe at the time. And I was also. like I never got to meet her um in. person. And so she was getting ready to. go on a sevenweek uh seven country tour. and all of this and and I was like man.

like she's going to go in all these. countries and never we haven't gone on a. date and I was like you know some like. freaking prince of Wales is going to. like you know meet her and it's going to. like you know woo her and then I'm not. going to have a chance and I was like oh. we got to find a way to go on a date. before she goes on this. So, we ended up. finding a way to to go on our first date. and it um Where'd you go? It was over. It it was just a uh we were playing. baseball and it was in Eerie, Pennsylvania and we had a few of our our. friends that were with us and could be a.

part of it cuz we had never met in. person. And so, uh but the day before. she literally on the phone she goes, "Hey, by the way, something's going to. have to really go wrong for this not to. work out." like we we knew like we had. really good assumptions. I don't want to. say knew, but we really believed that we. were probably going to get married. And. then we went on the first date and we. never stopped talking. How'd you. propose? Um I proposed. um at my parents' farm, the place we.

moved back. We moved back from um from. the Philippines. And uh I just I wanted. to do it so different and special. And. so, how can you have a special surprise? You base it all in lies. And that's what. I did. And I had everyone in on it. And. I wanted it to be so special. So, we we. had been gone in South Africa for. Christmas and then doing football. commentary stuff. So, I and I was went. in South Africa to ask her family for a. hand and we got back and I had to do.

that before I did. I just really wanted. to do it that way. And so we are at our. house for celebrating Christmas even. though it was in January and our. family's together. And I gave her a ring. for Christmas just to throw her off so. she wouldn't think that the ring was. coming. And so we we set up all these. lies. My whole family was in on it. Her. family was in on it. And I I told um uh. I told her that we you know for every. Christmas celebration we have a big. dinner at my parents house. Total lie. We don't. Um but that cuz she knew she.

had always told me, "Hey, when you. propose, I would I would, you know, love. to be dressed up, but the only thing is. I really want is I want my nails done.". And and so my sister took her out cuz. they were a big dinner. So, like just. naturally bringing up nails and did all. their nails and dressed up and and then. to throw her off the scent even more, I. had one of our friends that has a car. dealership to let me borrow a brand new. truck cuz I told her I was going to give. the truck to my dad for Christmas cuz if. she's thinking, "Hey, Dad, Timmy's. giving this truck to his dad for.

Christmas." Definitely not proposing. And so, oh wow, you really thought this. one out. So we uh so we so we we we get. in that that truck and we we drive it to. my parents house and um what she didn't. know was all of um my family was already. in the house and uh and she didn't know. her family. I had secretly flew flown in. from South Africa. But before we walk. into the house, um I said, "Hey, you can. walk out to the pond." That was very. meaningful to me. Is where I just prayed.

many times. It's where I decided um so. tried to figure out where I was going to. go play college football. Is where we. buried um our dogs. It was just where. it's a meaningful place. And I had an. arch built there and I had flowers all. around it. And I had a bench made uh for. us there and and flowers on the way out. So, we're walking out to it and and. about halfway there, she knew what was. about to happen. And so, we get there. and I get on my knees and and I proposed. to her. Um, but I was just trying to.

find other ways for it to be special. And one of the things she just loves her. family, wants to be a part of it. Well, she didn't know that in the hay bales. that were all around, I had microphones. that were planted in there. And so, her. family could hear the whole. conversation. I guess it could have gone. bad and my family could hear And so I. propose to her and then I get my phone. and I turn on um our favorite song which. is by u an artist called Matthew Mole. from South Africa. It's called the. wedding song. It's her favorite song. So. it quickly became my favorite song and.

we're dancing to it from my phone. Um. but then uh as we're dancing I had. turned her and then Matthew Mole had. flown in from South Africa and was. walking out and so then turned her and. Matthew Mole is playing her her favorite. song. So she's like, "Oh my gosh." And. then we we keep dancing to it and I turn. her again, but I had a sign. And so her. um she didn't know her family was there. And then all four of her parents cuz. they got divorced when she was like one. and they remarried. So all four of them.

are amazing and they're all in her life. So then she turned around and there was. her four parents that she's thinking. they're in South Africa and they're. there. And so she's crying and they're. all celebrating. And then uh we're all. hugging and then when her back was. turned again, I had several of her best. friends that had flown in. She turned. around, there's some her best friends. and she's freaking out and there's my. family and then uh and and then so we. just had an awesome celebration and um. and and then she so funny. So then my my. dad's there and she's like uh so wait is.

is that truck really for your dad? And I. was like, "No, it was just to throw you. off the scent." She goes up to my dad. and she's like she's like, "Mr. T, well. I'm so sorry that you're not getting a. new truck, but you are getting a new. daughter." And my dad's like, "It's so. much better." And it was just it is just. such a such a special Well done. Well. done. That is beautiful. Tim, I you know, I really.

appreciate I I really appreciate the. fact that you aren't you don't seem to. be defined by any one moment in your. life. And I mean, you're a world class. athlete, NFL player, baseball player, college superstar, Heisman winner. I. mean, but you're not here to talk about. that. And and at least I don't think you. are. And and I just I really appreciate. that. I mean, you're so. accomplished in so many different areas,

but my impression is that that doesn't. define who you are. that's something. that you did and then you move on. And. so I'm not going to cover your athletic. career. Yeah. But what I would like to. cover, I brought up I brought up numbers. and 444, you know, for me. 316. I could dig into my notes, but I'm not. going to. I'm not a big football guy.

But 316's painted on your your eye. black. Mhm. And how many. things added up to 316 during that game? Yeah. The playoff game. Uh well, if I. can back it up for just a second and. give a little context. When I when I. wore it for the national championship, honestly, I I I just put it under my. eyes and I didn't really think about it. I was just so focused on trying to win. the championship. And after the game, I.

uh we finish and we win. And two days. after the game, I'm sitting in Bali who. restaurant in Gainesville, Florida with. my mom and my dad and Coach Meyer and. we're having dinner and I even think I. was eating a piece of grouper at the. time cuz I just that moment and Coach. Meyer gets a call and he's he answers it. and it's Steve Mlean, our PR guy and. he's he's Coach Meer is always so. intense he's like, "Uh-huh. What? What. do you mean?". And you know this really okay bye. I.

said what? Who's that? What's all it. about? He said this mpr guy. Said what. did he say? He said he just got the. numbers back from the game. And he said. during the game 94 million people google. John. 3:16. And I remember sitting there and. just being so overwhelmed. I guess on. one hand I was like how the heck do 94. million people not know John 3:16? But. the other one is I just think man what a. big God we serve. Like I when I first. started putting eye blacks in the. beginning of the year, I just I thought.

m maybe someone with binoculars might. see one and it wasn't a a big step of. courage or faith. It was tiny tiny. It's. nothing. It was just putting a little. eye black cuz I saw some of my. teammates, you know, writing their area. code or their mom's name on their eye. black and I thought maybe, you know, someone might be encouraged. I even. thought about putting God bless under my. eyes, but I was like a might be too. cheesy. So, I did Philippians 4:13 and. then I switched to John 3:16 and and and. then I was just sitting there. overwhelmed by what a big God we serve.

Like, wow, he and then I think it was. the next day or something, another. Sports Illustrator come out and you know. the focal point is John 3:16 and you're. like, "Oh my goodness, like God, you're. such a big God." Well, that game, that. national championship game was on. January 8th of. 2009 and exactly three years later to. the date I wore it, we were playing I. was playing for the Denver Broncos and. we were playing the Pittsburgh Steelers. in the in the NFL playoffs. And it was.

on January 8th of 2012, exactly three. years later. I had no idea. I honestly I. I really feel like there was so much of. me that was just selfish in that moment. And uh not all in the worst way, but. some of it of just man, I wanted to. prove the doubters wrong. I wanted to. show them we could do this. I wanted to. to make a statement. I wanted to win for. my team and the fans, my family, and all. of this. And again, that's all wrong. But there was a piece of it that was. just selfish for me. And I had no idea. it was three years later from the day.

And we play this game and and we win in. overtime. I still think it's the fastest. overtime in NFL history. And we win. Surreal moment. And it's just like it's. unbelievable. and the crowd stays for. well over an hour after the game going. crazy and go into the locker room and I. I change and I got to go talk to the. media and I don't really want to and. right before I I walk in this big room. packed full of media there's all these. curtains out front and I'm standing in. front and Patrick our PR guy there steps. in front of me said do you realize what. happened and I'm like yeah we just beat.

the Steelers we're going to play the. Patriots he's like yeah I know what. happened dude like why why' you ask me. such a silly question and he goes. No. Do you know what. happened? And I'm like, I thought I did, Patrick. What happened? Cuz you could. just see this different demeanor. And um. he he said, Timmy, no, you don't know. what happened, Timmy. It's exactly 3. years from the night that you wore John. 3:16 under your eyes. And I'm like, "Oh,

wow. That's awesome. That's so cool.". And he said, "No, no, no. you don't. realize it, Timmy, during the game you. threw for 316 yards. And I'm like, what? And he said, Timmy, during the game, your yards per rush were. 3.16. Your yards per completion were. 31.6. The ratings for the night were. 31.6 and the time of possession was. 31.6. And during the night, over 90.

million people have Googled John 3:16. It's the number one trending thing all. over. And I think he even mentioned. something about there were so many. people tweeting about it that like. Twitter even froze or something like. that. At least that was what I was told. And I was standing in that. hallway and uh I don't think I had the. reaction that a lot of people think I. did. Um because I went from a high and a. celebration and a joy. uh to a conviction and a disappointment.

Why? Because when he was telling me. that, I knew that God was convicting me, saying, Timmy, you thought tonight was. about a. game. You thought it was about all of. these things. It's never just about a. game. I didn't die for a game. And I was. so convicted, still grateful that God. would use something, but convicted, man, my eyes were on the wrong thing. My. heart was in the wrong place. I knew.

you. I knew what you'd done, but I still. my heart was here and my eyes were here. I knew the truth. I just wasn't focused. on it. I was having all of these selfish. ambitions and goals. And it was also. this reminder, but I can even use I can. even use it when your heart's not right. I can even use you. I can use something. that you did three years ago and started. three and a half years ago and you. didn't even know that I was doing. something. Cuz I honestly thought after. 3 years when the first time, I just. thought, man, well, that's cool. But you.

also think that's cool, God, but it's. done. And he's like, "No, you have no. idea what I'm doing. You have no idea.". And and I was just so convicted. I. didn't even want to walk into the media. Not that I really wanted to anyways, but. and then I go in there and I'm answering. questions and and uh that so many of. them, they they want to ask me about it. cuz it's buzzing. You can hear them even. talking. But some of them kind of ask me. to the side. They're like, "Oh, all of. these, you know, numbers adding to 316, 316, 316." And a few of them to the. side, they're like, "Oh, that's a big.

coincidence." Like they don't even want. to ask in the microphone, you know? And. uh and they're like, "Wow, what a what a. big coincidence." Something like that to. me. And I coincidence. Yeah. And I said, "That's what they call it." A few of. them on like the side cuz they don't. even ask it. And I said, "Uh, well, we. could believe it's a really big. coincidence or we could believe that we. serve a really big God." And um it was. just one of those um moments for me and. I think God used it and for a lot of. people but I also think he was trying to.

teach me something too. And. um that one we have no idea what he's. doing. But even when we know the truth, how easy our eyes and our heart can. leave it. And um it was very humbling. for me. And uh even going back and. celebrating with my family and friends. and we had so many that were in town, it. was a celebration with also a conviction. that makes sense at the same time. And. um and God's done so much of that. Even.

when I've told the story a few times on. some different shows, it's, you know, gone viral on that and people uh one of. the first things that people mention. when I'm in South Africa with my wife, John 3:16 and uh, you know, it's just so. humbling that um, I could just be a part. of it, but there's a piece of me that. feels. unequipped. and like unworthy that God would do some.

of that with it. And. um and. I I would say that the more I've been. able to process that, the more I could. say, "Man, I'm so grateful." And. celebrate it, but I never want to get to. that place again where I think, um, God, you did something, but you're done. because we have no idea what he's doing.

and how he's using it. And I just I. don't want to put God in a box. And I. feel like so many times I've had like. and we have no idea what he's doing. And. do you know all the things that had to. happen at the end of that game for all. of that to change? I mean, the fastest. overtime in NFL history, one play, 80. yards in the exact amount of time. If. one of those things go off, all of them. go off. like and. yet. just it's what our God does just more.

than we could ask, think, or imagine and. definitely cuz we don't deserve it. I wonder how many people were on the. fence and then saw that. happen and realized it was real, that he. is real. a lot of people. Hope so. Pretty amazing. You know what? Um tell something um else that that's.

cool about um the 316 is um. um so. um several years ago, Camille goes where. we're sitting our office when she joined. the team and I said, "Camille, what. breaks your heart the most?" And she. said, um, she wrote down the number. 20,000. And I said, 20,000? What? What. does that mean? And she said, it's the. boys and girls that law enforcement can. see their rape and abuse images, but.

they have yet to be identified. And. they're all sitting in the IXA database, which is at Interpol. And it's the. database that from 68 countries that. house all this material. And we believe. there's about that many. and we talk and. we know we have to do something and uh. she's just a force for it. So we convene. a a meeting in Leon, France with all of. the so many of the major players um in. this space to find out what what is the. ground truth for this, right? What is.

the the number? And it wasn't. 20,000. It was closer to 57,000 boys and. girls that law enforcement can see their. rape and abuse images but have yet to. identify them. And so we come up with a. plan and and through with partnerships. and especially with HSI and C3 and. they're just the tip of the spear when. it comes to this and and partnerships. with countries all over the world and. that leads to operation renewed hope one.

uh led by C3 but with a lot of countries. and you know and Interpol and Nickmick. and Europole and so many and Google and. so many people that were part of this. and um and so that operation to identify. these boys and girls takes place and it. finishes and one of the the the men that. are leading it that's just a a warrior. for kids and good calls me when it. finishes and he said I don't think. you'll believe this but you want to know.

how many the official number that have. been identified at the end of this. operation. 316 and and he he he almost couldn't. didn't tell me like he was so blown away. when he was telling me that and and we. were. um. um and I I don't know if that's a. Godwink moment or it's but um it was a a. special moment and then I share.

something I've never shared before. Can. you ask Kevin to bring my phone up if he. has it? I'll need my phone to share. something that I've never shared before, but I think this would be a perfect a. cool time. Um, is it No, I'm sorry, Kevin. I should. have had my phone. Um so so then Operation Renewed Hope one. um was uh really groundbreaking in this.

space and um it just changed so much of. the game and so um all the partners led. by C3 cyber crime center and DC and HSI. you know we got to replicate this again. and it's a really cool model of all. these countries coming together to be. able to identify as many and then to go. rescue them. And and so then we have. Operation Renewed Hope, too. And um when. that finishes, we're actually in a lot. of our team and and law enforcement and.

partners are in Romania doing a special. training there and um in a whole lot of. areas against this. And we're at dinner. after that's finishing and we're in this. like um Romanian type tavern and with. all these law enforcement that are just. heroes. I mean, just been battling the. worst evils, right? And we're sitting. with all of them. And so one of um who's. come to become a a friend of mine um. he's been dealing with a long time,

faced a lot of evil in the world, um. gone through a lot because of it. And. he's sitting across from me and he's. like, "Man, I got to tell you when, you. know, I I saw the John 3:16 story." And. I when I realized that it was 3:16 after. renewed hope, I was blown away. I I. couldn't it was just I almost I couldn't. handle it. And he said, "So now. Operation Renewed Hope to just finished. and we identified.

417." And we're sitting in Romania. And. he said, "So what does 417 mean?" And I. said, "I don't know. I don't know. I. don't know what that I don't know what. that means." And he said, "Well, look it. up. Like go to the Bible. What is it?". And I'm like, "I don't which which 417. do I go to? I don't, you know, he's. like, "Just pick one." And so, and. there's like 25 people sitting there and. we're all sitting there. I I don't know. And so I go, "Um,

uh, what's what? Go first Corinthians. I. don't know." And he goes, "Okay, tell me. what 1 Corinthians 4:17 is." And again, uh, I just say this in all humility of. maybe God thing. Um, but it also broke. my heart. and and uh so he goes, "Okay, read Philip uh um 1 Corinthians 4:17.". And I I didn't know First Corinthians. 4:17. And so the whole table gets quiet. and I read it. And this is what it.

says. For this reason, I have sent you. Timothy, who is my beloved and faithful. child in the Lord. and he will remind. you of my ways which are in Christ Jesus. just as I teach everyone in every. church. And uh he goes, "You have got to. be something else kidding me." And I was. like, "What? I didn't know that." And uh. so it was just a moment where it's has. nothing to do with me, but it maybe. maybe one of those moments where it's.

just a a Godwink moment of it. Wow. And. uh still to this day, this officer will. put a lot of texts and stuff as. 316/417. I've never shared that that. story before. Wow. Maybe a Godwing. moment. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think. there's any maybe about it. I. mean, there are no. coincidences. That's. incredible. Wow.

I love this conversation, man. So, getting into getting into what you're. doing now, I mean, you are. really kicking a lot of rocks over. and doing a lot of good things. And so, what are what are some of the. things what are some of the things that. you're encountering? Well, um I think our biggest heart as a.

ministry, as a foundation, as a team, as. a like we call ourselves a family is. trying to go to dark places to bring. light, trying to go to places of crisis, chaos, and conflict and um and bring. light to go to the hurting. Um we know. that our God is near to the. brokenhearted. That's what scripture. says. Don't know exactly what that means, but. I know if God's near to the. brokenhearted, man, I want to be.

too. I want to be too. I want to be near. and with the hurting so that we could. share faith, hope, and love. We could. protect them. We could defend them. We. could stand up for them. And um in this. fight for the MVP, in this fight against. trafficking, exploitation, um it's in my opinion one of the grave. greatest evils in the world, or maybe a. better way to say it, one of the worst. evils in the world.

Um but specifically, our heart is to get. to as many and leverage anything and. everything we can so that they can get. out of this evil. And as I mentioned. earlier, you think so much is done by. all these groups and gangs and and yes, that does take place in a lot of areas, but man, it's overwhelming when you. think how much is done by families, by. friends, by those in the trusted circle,

and especially when we talk about the. fight against child. exploitation and child sexual. abuse. It's it's off the charts of what. is being done in the families. And do. you know what's. the if I want to say most disappointing. but maybe one of the most heartbreaking. is do you know the number one. offender? Biological. fathers. Man, it would it's not going to.

make your your day. But I brought a. um a map. to share with. you is this map. Every red dot on that. So, first of all, that is a DOJ DOJ law enforcement map. It's called the red dot map. And every. um every this is over the last 30 days.

And every red dot on that map is at. least one unique IP address of. individuals downloading, sharing, distributing child abuse and rape images. under the age of 12. And there's over. 111,000 of them just in the US of the. last 30. days. Wow. And I just I I wanted to.

bring that cuz I think it it brings to. life. um so much of the evil that we're trying. to face. And people will say, "Well, that's just over there and it's in those. countries and it's all of those places.". And it's not, Sean. It's right here in. our backyard. it is right here and and. out of everyone and some people will say. okay well well they're they're just. downloading and sharing it and. distributing it and but they're not 55. to 85% are also hands-on offenders and.

your average offender has 13 victims in. their lifetime 13. victims every one of those red dot mat. red dots is there's a boy or girl that. is suffering on the other end of what. they're sharing downloading or. distributing. And I just I wanted to share that with. you because I know that your heart. breaks for them. And I think that map. brings to life the the evil that we're. trying to to fight. And why, you know, one of our hearts is to get the Renewed.

Hope Act passed through Congress because. it takes the law enforcement officers. right now and victim identification. officers at C3 and they're amazing. Some. of my favorite people in the world, but. there's seven of them right now at C3. There's how many? Seven. seven people to. and also ICS are working on that. We. love IAK and we need to enhance their. funding because they desperately need. it. Um, Internet Crimes Against Children. and they're awesome. 62 locations around. the country, but primarily the ones that. are also working on this are at at C3.

and we want to get the Renewed Hope Act. passed because it would take it from 7. to 200. And now we have a much greater. chance if we have all of those officers. that are trained and equipped to be. fighting against this evil. And again, that's the last 30 days. And that's not. getting into live streaming or. sextortion or um or grooming or so many. of the other issues we're fighting. That. is just in peer-to-peer networks of them. sharing and distributing child rape. images under the age of 12. This is 12.

and under. 12 and under. 111,423 unique IP addresses. And and some people will say, "Well, that's just, you know, they're just. downloading it and they're just sharing. it." And. no, it's not just that easy. You have to. go in, you have to down download it. just, you know, appear toe and then you. have to be able to download all of these. images and then you're sharing them. It's not like this just happens by.

accident. It's not like, oh, I just. looked at a bad picture and it's not. like this is a a photo of a of a baby in. a in a bathtub. No. So many of these are. brutal, brutal abuse of children. And um. and when we go back to those 50,000 boys. and girls that are unknown in the IXA. database that we're talking about. before, out of those. 57,000, over 3,000 of them were infants. or. toddlers. Oh.

man. And so if you say what's on on our. heart, um man, these are boys and girls. that can't fight for themselves. They. can't defend themselves. And yet so many. of us, myself, for so long, did nothing. to defend or stand up for them. And uh. it is our heart that we would rally an. army. And maybe even we would even. declare a national emergency to fight. this evil of this is happening in our.

backyard. And out of all those that have. been rescued from or out of all those. that have been, you know, safeguarded. and rescued from renewed hope one, two, and three, more than half of those boys. and girls have been right here in the. US. So we think it's over there, it's. over there, it's over there. No. Yes, it. it is happening in other places, but it. is happening in our country, right here. in our neighborhoods, in our backyards, in our. families. And then we get into the fight. against live streaming. And do you know. the number one payer of live stream rape.

of boys and girls around the world? US. US. Not close. And in peer-to-peer. sharing, we're third. China, Russia, America, man. Sorry, I do get fired up about it. I do. too, man. It's. um How are you combating this? Well, we're trying to do it in every area and. every way possible, whether that's with. partnerships and and nonprofits and law. enforcement and rallying and task forces.

and legislation and lobbying, you know, trying to get them to enhance the um the. the the army, per se, and fighting this. And that's really what the Renewed Hope. Act is for. But it's also getting uh the. Renewed Hope operations more and more. and more. And um and we're having more. and more every day. But it's also, you. know, creating awareness. And I hate to. use awareness cuz people say it all the. time and I don't want awareness for. awareness sake. I want people to be. aware so we act to do something. I think. we really have to change laws and. legislation. And I believe there's a lot. of people in Congress and in DC that.

want to change it, but we have to get it. done. We have to protect these boys and. girls. And I know we have to we have to. figure out budgets and balances and all. these important things, but what does it. matter if we figure out a budget, but. our boys and girls in our backyard are. being raped and abused? Like, let's make. the main thing the main thing. This. should be a main thing. Mhm. Like, this. has to be a main thing. It's But this. is the last 30 days,

111,423 unique IP addresses. I mean, how. many kids does that amount to? It It's hard to know. And by the way, this is only one database, and there are. multiple databases. So, it's not like. this is all of them, but it's hard to. know every life on the on the back end. But that's why we try to find as many. studies and stats and databases to find. it. But the clearest one we can go to is. if you look at at this over 111,000 and. then you know that 55 to 85% of these.

are hands-on offenders. And your average. offender has 13. Now, you add that up. 13 offenders in their life. How many. boys and girls is that? So, every time. we take one of those offenders and we. take them off the streets, how how many. boys and girls did we protect? How many. boys and girls do we safeguard? One of. the and um that's like that's like it's. a lot. Over 1.5 million. It's a lot. And. um in one of the operations, one of the.

doors that got knocked down and um and u. men that got taken away um actually led. to 30 other children that he had been. abusing. And um and I I want to say this and um I. think it's. important the number. one offender type is biological. fathers. But by. far it is being done by middleage.

Caucasian. men. Many over half of them college. graduates. Um many of them are educated. good jobs. This isn't just who we're. thinking about like they're they're, you. know, technical savvy. And I I think. that it is time that we call them out. like that we can't stand by and stand. back. Like we have to stand up and say. not only are we not doing our job as.

men, it's actually the opposite. Instead. of being defenders and protectors of our. families, we're hurting and abusing. We. were um in the office last week and. we're we're talking with someone that's. um amazing in this space and um we're. going through a case to try to learn. from this and and do some more stuff. And. um the the guy that has already been put. away and convicted of his crime um was. abusing an 18th month old, his 18th.

month old and his. nine-month-old. and I was sitting there. and just horror, right? But then we're. looking at what he was doing it on and. he was doing it on a Florida Gator. blanket and I was thinking, man, this. probably someone that was rooting for. the Gators. Probably someone that maybe. is a fan or likes the Gator likes when I. played, but no, this how personal this. is. Maybe it's someone that's in the. stadium watching us play, right? like.

this isn't far off or far across around. the world because we always think and. even sometimes members of Congress will. say to us, but you know, we got to, you. know, worry about our backyard. No, we're talking about our backyard. This. is our backyard. This is right here. Mhm. like um I could tell you so many. stories of our backyard in Jacksonville. or in Florida or around our country of. um there's an operation um uh last year. um that um a task force you know.

multiddisiplinary task force came. together in Jacksonville that were. luring men um that wanted to sleep with. I believe it was eight and 13 year olds. and lured him and you know 27 men showed. up and got arrested cuz they had the. goal of sleeping with an 8-year-old or. 13-year-old. and the so many of them work in places. with kids. They um one of them was a. former professional athlete. Couple of. them were tied to law enforcement or.

part of law enforcement. Like this isn't. just like over there. It's here. It's. our backyard. And we have to stand up. for these boys and girls. And we got to. change laws, legislation. We got to. build a bigger army. We got to be able. to create awareness. Know what families. can do. protect your kids. Um, also in. the same time when your kids go on to. the internet, they have to know that. they are getting lured, groomed, um, stalked by people with the intent to do. evil. And people with a goal to do good. have to work better. I was telling you. earlier when we were downstairs when um,

you know, there was a dark um, uh, dark. web site that was taken down and before. it was um, one of the last messages that. was sent out was a message you had. thought would have been coming from a. pulpit. Hey, I just want you all to know. that I believe in you. Stay strong, stay. vigilant, stay alert. We can get through. this together. We can do this. And it. was a place where so many men were. joining it so that they could view the. rape of boys and girls be a part of this. terrible evil. And yet they're working.

together many times better than people. with the goal to do good. Why is because. so many. times we're more worried about the. credit than we are about the mission. And what does the credit matter? Who. cares about the credit? It doesn't. matter. Like we don't care. Anybody take. it. We just want these kids to be out of. harm's. way. Why Why does there seem to be so much.

push back on this particular subject? Well, I think there's quite a few things. to that. I feel like because it's very. complicated. I feel like it's. complicated to be able to understand and. discern the problem that there's. peer-to-peer networks, but then there's. live streaming, but then there's. grooming, but then there's extortion, but then there's also trafficking and. they get merged to all look like, you. know, it's the same thing. So, people. just sort of be like, well, it's. trafficking. Well, no, it's it's not the.

same. There are difference there. Yes, there's overlap between sexual abuse, exploitation, and trafficking. There is. some that happen in all three, but there. is also some that is just exploitation, some that is sexual abuse, and some that. is uh that is trafficking. But it's such. a complicated, nuanced, something that. that honestly for I I'm still trying to. learn every day to just learn and. understand as much of it as as possible. so we can know how to best strategize. And we put so many, you know, try to. find so many wise people. And our team. is full of people that are smarter than. than me and and trying to learn and.

understand that we could understand the. problem so we could try to have. solutions. But I think one of it is we. just don't fully understand all of the. issues and we just think it's over there. or um you know or we just think it's. border and and there are issues at the. the the border. There's no doubt there. is trafficking there. But one of the. things that we have to understand is. it's not just there on the border. It's. not just overseas. it is here in our. backyards. And um. and and we could go into that, but I. think that's one of the bigger issues.

It's it's nuance. It's hard to. understand. It's hard to grasp. It's. hard to figure out. It's then you try to. understand the why. And then um and. that's difficult. And I just think in. other areas maybe it's like okay, you. know, selling drugs, this is it, you. know, and there's just little lanes that. are maybe a little bit less nuanced. And. this is very complicated and it is um. and honestly there's. just there's even differencing of.

opinions on it. There's difference of. approaches to it. Um, but I feel like. that's why we just have to get so many. of the right players in the room set out. on a course and fight together, not. against each other on the same team and. create strategies to defend our boys and. girls here. You know, earlier you had. mentioned that you bring this subject up. and they don't want to hear it. They. don't want to hear it because it reminds. them of their kids or whatever other. excuse they have. What I think. it's important.

to, for lack of a better term, put some. of this on display for people to hear. And you'd mentioned a specific satanic. cult. that I'll let you finish. It has to do. with the story I was telling you. earlier. Yeah. Yeah. That was just of a. um that was a story of a a friend of. ours that fights in this space maybe 3 4. weeks ago was telling us and this is a.

story from uh Texas and it was a a. 13-year-old girl that was being raped. while someone would stand there and read. the Bible to her and then they would. rotate and somebody else would come in. read the Bible while she would be going. through this horrible evil. And uh part. of the reason that it was believed that. they were doing this is so that the. worst moment of her life would be. associated with God's word. And.

um that's a lot of evil. Yeah. Um but you want to know like what these. type of conversations and stuff are. sharing too. I if you want to read. some okay to share those. Okay.

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And it goes on. I. um this is what we're facing. Yeah. It's what we're facing in our in. our backyard. And. um one of there's a lot of things that. are hurtful and disturbing about it. One. of the things that we're seeing grow bit. by bit is offenders that are saying.

instead of finding their next victim, some of them are saying let's just grow. our next. victim, meaning have a child and grow. them.

Do you think there's more motivation. besides sexuality or whatever you want. to call it, having sex with um with. kids? Well, I I would say we get to work. with some experts and some expert. psychologists that we think are some of. the best in the world. And some of um. what we have been able to learn from. them is that some of these offenders.

um yes, that's part of it, but part of. it is they actually enjoy the pain. that's being. um displayed and shown. Um, one story I I hate to even say it, but was by one of the top psychologists. that shared with us is one offender went. to a playground and he watched all of. the boys and.

girls and he he picked a certain. one. And so when the psychologist after. he gets caught as talking to him, he. said, "Why why did you pick that one? Why? Why when you what's the reason why. you did it? Why why did you why did you. select. that. person? Is it height? Is it weight? Is. it size? Is it color? Is it. background? And it was No, no, no, no,

no. He said, "No, I waited and I watched. and I tried to find the happiest kid so. that I could steal her. soul." And um I just I hate even sharing. that, but. um. there unfortunately are people that have. the goal of hurting people so badly that. that would be their intent. That's also why I believe God has.

created some of us to put us here so we. could stand in the. gap between them between that boy or. girl so that they would know that some. people love them enough more importantly. that heavenly father loves them enough. that has already stood in the gap for. them. And I'm going to share something that's. terrifying as well. And it. is my friend Ryan who I've been telling.

you about. He he is. um working working this thing against. this satanic cult. And they are exploiting kids through. graphic content of they'll have they'll. have a young girl do something and then. they'll exploit her. And it's not for. money or anything like that. Started. off, they would have these girls after. they after they got the the videos or. the photos or whatever it is. They.

wanted them to carve into their. skin with a razor. And then that. developed into now, this happened to a. 14-year-old girl. We're going to have. you swallow razor blades. Mhm. and all. the way up to having them commit. suicide, which they've been successful. And this cult continues to grow and and. Ryan's combating. it. But I mean, it's just.

I I don't like talking about this, but I. think it's important for especially for. parents to hear this like this is what's. out there. And you know, one thing that. really sticks out in my memory about my. interview with Ryan is he said, "When. you give your kid a. phone, you're not giving your kid access. to the world. You're giving access for. the world to your kid. Giving the world. access to your kid. And you know, as time has gone by, like.

the more I hear about this, the more. that sticks in my head with with the. cult that I'm just telling you about.". And you know, Tim, it's just I mean, you're doing big things and you're. making a a tremendous impact. But what I. want to ask you is, you know, what what. can what can parents do to protect their. kids? Um, first I would say uh be. careful about what they go on and what. they look at. And so I give a little.

background to that. So one thing we. haven't touched on is it ties to this is. the sextortion and how many um places. around the world are trying that. literally have organized groups that are. trying to set extort boys and girls even. boy boys more than girls right now. There have been over 30 right here in. the states that have committed suicide. from it and they are trying to become a. best friend, trying to act like they're.

a young girl and they're getting boys to. send them a photo and then they're. trying to take everything from them and. then ultimately it's leading to to so. many suicides. And last year and I. believe it was 2024, Meta took down. 63,000. um. uh accounts from I believe mostly in. Nigeria of accounts that were just. trying to sex people here. Like if you. think, oh, it's one or two people, it's. not. It's at a mass number. So when you.

hand the phone to your kid, know that. the world and people with bad intentions. are trying to lure them into something. Whether that's to groom them, to extort. them, to try to lure them into. something. Unfortunately, I hate to be. always a person's trying to talk gloom. and I'm not trying to be doom and gloom. I'm trying to say that we can have hope. even in the midst of it because of. Jesus. But we got to protect them. We. have to protect them so that they are in. a safe place. And it's is also where we. we work with so many different companies.

and technology that are trying to find. all ways to to fight the trafficking and. exploitation and the sextorion and all. of them cuz just like is there's this. all this social and technology being. used for bad, we have to also fight it. for good. And there is a lot of great um. companies that are trying to create. products to fight it for good. Whether. that's on phones, whether that's on. devices, whether that's to keep keep. kids safe. And so there are a lot of. people that are fighting back against. this and they're trying to step up and. stand up the right technologies, the.

right teams, the right companies. Um but. we have to know that it is even a battle. that if you just say here's the phone, go do what you want. Know that it's so. I'll give you an example. Um we're. having several years it's four or five. years ago now. We're having a meeting at. the offices and um one of like the best. trackers of finding missing people is is. sharing stuff and he's saying this is. how many this is how so many of the boys. and girls are getting lured in and it's. they're so good at their phrases and.

their sentences and they use the same. ones and they copy paste all of these. kids, right? They work the same phrases. and they build relationships. And so. he's going over some of these phrases. and um one of our team members goes home. and she has two daughters and she said, "Y'all ever seen some of these phrases?". And they go, "Yeah, I got some today.". The exact same words said the same way, same phrases. Like this is absolutely a.

It's real and terrifying. And if you. just think, oh, well, it's people with. the, you know, with good intentions or. it's just the internet. No, there are. people that are using that with a goal. to do evil and they want to be able to. um to get access to get in to build a. relationship for for something that is. not a good reason. And I just I don't. want to be doom and gloom, but I just. want to tell parents, please be the. protector that you're called to be. And. sometimes maybe if that means that.

you're the bad guy and you don't give. them the same access, but would you. please look into some of the the more. improving devices to help kids say keep. kids safe to get them on safer. platforms? And I do feel like I don't. feel like this. I really believe that it. is a terrible evil that we have to fight. back against and that has to be as a. whole. You know, I'm I'm just going to make it. even more apparent. I mean, we caught a. guy in 5 seconds when I interviewed.

Ryan. I had him on here and he was. talking about this and this was this was. like my first interview on the subject. and I I said, "You you're a hacker. Get. your laptop out." He said, "I don't care. what form you get into, what social. media platform. I want to see how long. this takes." He said, "Okay." And I. said, "Screen record it so we can prove. it." So he gets on, gets in the chat. room, comes up with the name. He he. tells me, he goes, "All right, I made. the name Ashley 13 New.

Jersey." Right after that, he goes, "U. got a 40some year old man want to have. sex with a 13-year-old girl, wants to. meet her at Walmart." I'll roll the clip. right now just so everybody sees how. fast this is happening. And he says it's. on Xbox, PlayStation, Instagram, everywhere. Anywhere that you are. online, this is happening. Ryan, do you. think you could demonstrate right here, right now, how fast these sexual. predators predators will show up in a. chat room? Yeah. Fire your computer up.

Let's do it. All right. I'm recording. So now I'm just going to say. hi. Who wants to. chat? I named myself Ashley Female New. Jersey. 13 female New Jersey. Let's see. how many private messages come in. Two already. Three. It's been like 10 seconds. Yep. Hey, want to fool around? Hey,

how old are you? Let me just copy that. and send that to everybody cuz we got. other messages coming in. What chat room. are you in? Just a teen chat. Hey, want. to cuddle a bit? I I didn't I I mean I. I'm taking I'm giving them the benefit. of the doubt right now that uh that they. didn't read the Oh, he's 47. 47 years. old in a teen chat room. You got him in. what? 5 seconds. He's already messaging. in. Oh, yeah. There's a ton. There's I.

can't even keep up with them here. because every time I click one, there's. more on the. list. Uh he says he's I said, "Are you. okay with my age?" He says, "Yes.". age 13. Like my profile. says, I got two more messages. So, now. we're at 1, two, three, four, five. I'm 19. Let's ignore the. 19-year-old, even though it's. disgusting.

It hasn't even been 60 seconds yet. Okay, there's another guy. Here's the. other guy. This guy's 15. Ignore him. That is a real teenager in a teen. chat. Uh. uh the. 47year-old says I he said age. I said 13. like my profile says. He said. name. Ashley. And then another guy just.

messaged. How old are you? Okay. This. person's a child, too. So, out of all of. these, there's one guy here who is 47. years old, less than a minute, who wants. to talk to a child in a teen chat. And I. only said hi in the chat room, nothing. else. Holy dude. Pam, we're. wrapping up the interview. You got a. flight to catch. And um so I want to ask. you, what can people do to help what. you're doing? Well, I think pray.

um talk with their families. um protect. their kids, protect their neighbors kids. or look out for each other, be a. protector. Um I believe that's one of. the greatest forms of love. Uh it's 1. Corinthians 13:7, love always protects, always believes, always hopes, always. endures. And as a community, we need to. protect protect one another. Uh we need. to protect the most vulnerable. Um. everyone has a different skill set, resource ability. Use it. Use it for.

good. Step up. That doesn't mean you. have to stand with us, but stand for. good. Stand for um the most vulnerable. Um if there's some specific ways they. want to be involved with us, I think one. of them could just be call your local. Congress man or woman and say, "Hey, pass the Renewed Hope Act and protect. our children." Go get it done. You can. go to our website, temptation.org, or. and there'll be links on there um to. figure out right ways that you can. connect with your local congressman and. step up and stand up and and not just. make your voice heard cuz that's said a.

lot, but it's make it heard to the right. people to know that there is an army of. people right here in the states that are. going to fight back against those that. want to hurt and abuse our kids. And um. you know, we have a daughter on the way, so we we haven't shared the name of our. little girl yet. Um, but her middle name. is actually named um, inspired by and. named after um, one of the youngest. girls we've ever been able to bring out. of this evil and care for. And she was. rescued at 25 days old. And um, she just.

captured my wife's heart and my heart. And um, so our little girl's middle name. is is named after her. Um, 25 days old. Yeah. Well, it's beautiful that you did that, man. Your daughter's going to be a. special. person. All of these. kids are so. special, made in God's image.

And so many. times we treat. them as if they're trash when they're. really God's. treasure. And. uh man, if all of this, if we could take. all of these lives that have gone.

through such torture, but they can know. how treasured they are by God, that. would be everything. They would know and. experience that go from torture to. treasure. And wouldn't that be. everything? Yep. I hope one day she wouldn't just say, "Hey, um, my dad's a good dad, but my. dad's a. protector. My dad wants to stand in the. gap between people with a goal to hurt.

me, and he's going to stand in the way. He won't let him get to. me." And I know I'll be very flawed and. fallen in that goal. Um, but I hope. that's something she would say one day. But I can tell you our heavenly father, he stood in the gap for us. He stood in. the way. When the enemy says, "No, they're mine." He said, "No, no, no, no. I'm going to take their place. I'm the. ransom. That's me. I'll take the.

penalty." That's what love looks like. And as a community, we as a family, as a. nation, we have to stand in the gap. Not. only do we have to protect, but man, we're also causing so much of this pain. here in the States and around the world. Do you know where the country I was born. in that I love very much in the. Philippines, do you know how many times. we have seen the airports be flooded. with Americans flying in? Do you know. how many of them you look and you say, "Man, what are they going to do?" And do. you know the number one buyer of.

children in the Philippines paying for. their rape and abuse? Middle-aged. Caucasian men right here. So, not only. have to stand up against them, but we. have to stand up against the pain that. they're causing here in the States and. around the world. This is our problem. It is our calling and we can't look. away. Like, we can't just have the. bystander effect think someone else is. going to do. it cuz it's our fault and it's only. growing. All of these issues of live. streaming, of seam, child sexual abuse. material, sex, grooming, runaways, all.

of. it. It is growing. We aren't winning. Like, we're losing every day until. enough people stand on the line to say, "Together, we're going to fight this. We're going to call it out. We're going. to stand on the line. They're worth it. They were worth it to King Jesus to die. for. They're worth it for us to fight. for. Well said. Well. said. Well, Tim, thank you for being.

here. I'd love to I'd love to end this. in another prayer. Yeah. You want to. lead it? Sure. Perfect. Oh, man. Good and gracious heavenly father, we just love you so much. We thank you. that you first loved us. Um we thank you. your love for um every person that you. didn't just tell us about it but you. demonstrated it with your life for every.

person. We pray. that that we would demonstrate that love. for. people just like you stood in the gap. for us that we would stand in the gap. for. humanity. We thank you for your love for. them that you created them in your. image with infinite value and worth. We. pray that we would see that true worth, that infinite value and worth, that. worth that you are willing to go to the. cross for. We pray that we would see.

that in them and we would act on their. behalf and we would be protectors. We. wouldn't be bystanders. We wouldn't. stand to back or stand to the side, but. we'd stand in the gap. We pray that that. you do something so special in our. nation for the next generation in. protecting them and loving them and. having a um a real identity of who they. are and whose they are. That they would. know that they are fearfully and. wonderfully made. That they would know. and be firm and secure in the hope that.

you have given them of your promises. That they wouldn't just think, I need to. change. I need to conform. I need to be. different. I need to compare. No, but. they would be filled with you, with your. love, with the Holy. Spirit. We thank you for the cross. because it's the only thing that changes. everything about everything. And we pray. that so many people that are starving. for hope right now, that they would find. the one true hope in the cross. We know. that you are near to the brokenhearted. We pray we would be that, too. That we.

would stand with them and for them. We. pray that you do something so special in. our nation. We thank you for letting us. be a part of that. As flawed and fallen. as we are, you still allow us to be a. part of your team on your mission. We. pray that you would let us get to many. lives that are hurting so they could. experience true faith, hope, and love. that only comes through. you. Thank you that you love us and you.

don't leave us or forsake us. We give. all these things to you in Jesus name. Amen. And I would just ask. that that you please lead the army that. Tim and his team needs to effectively. combat this on the scale that it needs. to be. combed. Just ran your protection down. over them. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Tim. Appreciate you. It was an honor. It was. Thank you. It's honor for me. Thank you.

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