Tim Sheehy - Former Navy SEAL & Aerial Firefighter Breaks Down the Los Angeles Wildfires | SRS #160

[Music]. Tim sheii welcome to the show thanks. Sean good to be here it's good to have. you this is the uh latest interview I've. ever done here at the Midnight Hour but. uh really appreciate you coming down I. know you're a busy guy and and um. especially and congratulations on on. your Senate well thank you it's it's. more like condolences because it's a. huge. uh as you probably see uh you know um.

undertaking for anybody but we have to. do it guys like us have to get involved. uh you know we're just in the Pete Heth. hearing yesterday we got to get guys. like us involved in getting this country. back on track so it's an hon to do it. yeah a lot of people are stepping up. it's good to see and then uh you know. our conversation downstairs so you're. only the second ever Special Operations. veteran to enter into the Senate as far. as operators I'm sure there's been guys. who've been through commands but as far. as I know you know I'm the only the.

second operator Bob krey metal V. recipient uh Vietnam seal was was. Senator from Nebraska previously and. then uh and then me that's pretty. incredible that's pretty incredible and. uh yeah I saw uh your remark in the the. heg Seth hearing well how how did that. go again well you know it's to be honest. so you know I'm the most one of the most. junior members of the Senate I just. turned 39 and most senators are you know. 70 uh or whatever and that's it's not to.

me be disparaging it's just a fact it's. it's a very you know they call it the. most expensive Nursing Home in the. nation so I'm very Junior um so I it'll. be great to see somebody that doesn't. just space out the middle of a press. conference and not know where the hell. they are that helps a lot of people are. looking forward to that yeah and uh so I. was the last guy this as you probably. saw it was a five plus hour hearing I. think you know it got it got to so I was. the last one in line and you know at. that point it was the lines have been. drawn you know the Democrats were. hammering over anything thing woman.

related you know and and you know Pete's. never said he's perfect he didn't say. I'm a saint you know I'm a preacher he. admitted yeah I had I had some. challenges but now I have a wife I love. we have a lot of kids together and i'. I've committed to to our Lord and I've. committed to serve in this country so. they were smearing him and of course our. side was righteous indignation. rightfully so defending him and it got. to me as a last guy and I'm like you. know what I had all these fancy. questions laid out nobody wants to hear. these questions you know so I'm going to. ask him and that wasn't rehearsed at all.

when I asked him 5.56 9mm night vision. goggles how many push-ups that was just. you know I can to ask him questions he. knows the answer to to show all these. people in this room that this guy knows. what he's talking about and of course I. asked him how many genders they were. toughest question this day and age we. shouldn't have to but we do and I. reminded them that there are two genders. and I'm a shei so uh I know that better. than. anybody oh that's amazing but um quick. introduction here so Senator Tim sheii.

US senator for Montana and former Navy. SEAL officer like I said second ever. Special Operations operator uh to enter. the Senate completed numerous. deployments around the world you're a. family man uh your wife Carmen is a. former US Marine officer you both are. raising four children an entrepreneur. founder and former CEO of Bridger. Aerospace and Ascent Vision Technologies. and owner and ranchhand at little belt.

cat Cattle Company uh and most. importantly for what we're going to talk. about cuz we'll be talking about the LA. wildfires you're an aviator and water. bomber pilot so uh we'll talk about you. know your expertise and and and what you. know. about this disaster that's going on and. uh in California right now but um before. we before we move into the uh the nitty. gritty stuff I've got a patreon.

patreon's our subscription account uh. they've been with us since the beginning. they're our top supporters and so one. thing I offer them is I offer them the. opportunity to ask each and every guest. a question and um so this is from Amit. shamgar what do you believe is the most. pressing moral challenge facing our. society today and how do you plan to. address it through your legis. legislative. work and.

apathy I mean the greatest cultural. threat to America is. apathy that most. Americans don't really seem to care. about this country anymore they don't. really seem to realize that we live in a. pretty damn special place and not only. do we live in a special place we are so. lucky you and I anyone in this country I. mean you've been all over the world as I. have I mean there's 300 million. Americans give or take 340 million. there's 78 billion people in the world.

our chances of having been born in this. country just statistically God the. universe whatever you believe in the. chances of you being born an American. are pretty damn. small and think about other places you. could have been born moli Iraq. Afghanistan yeah you know pretty much. anywhere sub yeah southeast Asia and. there's some beautiful places there but. there's only one country in the world. people are starving in the desert and. drowning in the ocean trying to come. there to become part of that country and.

that's right here and I think so many. Americans have forgotten that I mean. that's why I'm sitting here I've never. run for anything before not even student. counsel walked away from a company I. love my Ranch my family to do this. because I think so many. Americans um have just lost sight of it. and um so I think how do we fix it in. legislation to AIT question is education. uh making sure that our kids are. reminded how special America is and um.

you know they've been told these past. several. years how bad we are how racist we are. how broken we are how evil we are how. our institutions are bad and inherently. racist and and you know our our American. power is bad or the fact that we're. economically strong you know the list. goes on that we want to tear Lincoln's. name off a school we want to tear. statute of George Washington down we. want to erase our history and replace it. with something new and that's a. fundamental. threat to.

our existence and you know it it's scary. that that mindset has been adopted at. almost every level in our government. yeah so how do we fix in legislation. number one uh we hold government. accountable uh number two we actually. make sure we're adhering to. constitutional government because the. thing that set America apart that's made. us so special is not our government it's. not our military it's not our geography. although all those things are great it's. the fact that we are the first. government that was formed.

around the concept of a free individual. that every mind soul has its own unique. Destiny its own unique potential no. other country was ever founded with that. entire concept as the foundation of a. nation and we were and we're not perfect. we've never been perfect but we're. pretty damn special place and uh I think. we need to remind our kids how special. we are because how do we expect them. we're alltime low recruiting in the. military how do you know we have. all-time low trust in government right.

now and that's a product of us telling. generations of kids that they shouldn't. be proud of this country yeah you know. you brought up you brought up holding. the government accountable and we try to. do that here as much as we possibly can. and sometimes we get a little bit of. success most time it falls on De ears. but you. know when I when I ask my audience to. hold the government accountable I'll. give you an. example they always want to know how how. do we do that mhm and and a lot of PE.

we've lost you know it's no secret. America's lost a lot of confidence in. the in the voting system and you know. I'll give you an example we you know. about the Taliban funding stuff oh yeah. and thank you for highlighing that by. the way thank you I a lot of us knew it. was going on I didn't know the extent. till you started talking about it and. really highlighted it and I mean you. kicked off a firestorm and we have. legislation going on I I signed on a. co-sponsor today and the Senate yes to.

no tax dollars to the Taliban man so. like and that's that was started you. Scot man the whole crew of guys I mean. again we all knew about it I was aware. of the existence of this but until you. started quantifying it and and driving. that truth home uh you know it didn't R. rise to the level of Consciousness that. we can let now we have legislation on. the floor in the 119th Congress to put. an end to it man that's that's amazing.

thank it's happening but uh it took a. long time to get there it took a long. Tim burett out of Knoxville like knocked. it out of the park he did not give up it. was Bill after Bill after Bill that he. wrote up and um but we had a petition. and that petition went up to I think. last time I checked it at like 400,000. signatures and uh we couldn't get. Congressman mall to do anything and um. you know you would think at the time I. think I brought it up and when. interviewed president Trump you know.

there was 300 and something thousand. back then but I mean it it's just people. get so frustrated because they don't. they don't really know they don't really. know how to hold the government. accountable and so I I I would love to. hear you know your suggestions on what. what can people do does it actually do. anything when people write a. congressman's office or a senator's. office and they get hundreds maybe. thousands of letters demanding change. well you asked what do we do and the.

number one thing you do is what I'm. doing get in the arena I mean it's not a. glorious thing it's not a fun thing you. want to find a way to lose a lot of net. worth fast you know the most expensive. hobby isn't horses and planes or boats. is politics I can promise you that but. uh I guess unless you're nany Pelosi but. um the point is get involved I mean the. world is run by people who show up it is. I mean whether it's school boards do I. mean whoever gave a [ __ ] who their.

County health inspector was five years. ago yeah who didn't nobody cared or who. was on the school board no one even. thought of that stuff like I'm not. wasting my time well guess what when Co. came and you know face diapers and. shutting schools down closing businesses. you can't go to church you can ride in. the streets but you can't go into a. church people started who's making these. rules what's going on I'll tell you. who's making the rules it's the people. who showed up the people that said no. one's no one else is making the rules so. I'm going to make make the rules and.

that's that's how I got here was. Afghanistan you know watching. Afghanistan collapse being. convinced watching Cabo collapse a. nation I fought in you fought in my wife. fought there we lost friends there at. some point an adult was going to enter. the room at the NC at the Pentagon in. the White House say hey guys pick up the. phone and press the red button what the. hell's going on guys this is ridiculous. yeah stop this is Amateur hour and it. never happened it never happened and for. me that was like the water shed moment.

of like wow like there's there is no one. behind the. curtain we better get involved we our. generation the generation that lived. through the great financial crisis 911. fought on our nation's longest war we. better get involved good point you know. I was going to ask you too you know I. mean what at what level do you think. people should get involved should it be. in at the at the at the city local level. state level Federal level I mean it. seems to me like. if a lot more people would have gotten.

involved in. La uh we probably wouldn't be seeing the. the mess that we're seeing right now but. I I would love to hear your thoughts on. that as well no you're absolutely right. I think any level I mean you got to. figure out what works for your lifestyle. what works for who you are what issues. you're concerned with um you know I got. involved in politics not as a candidate. but as a as a speaker as a fundraiser. and as I spoke at events and helped. other candidates. run some folks said hey we have a really. important center race coming up you're.

pretty good at this would you consider. running and I think for a lot of. folks maybe you're a farmer in Northern. California I say that specifically. because people don't think farmer when. they hear California they think Santa. Monica they think San Francisco it's our. biggest egg state of the nation I mean. it's the the Central Valley of. California is our most fertile egg area. in the whole nation arguably I mean of. course there's different you know. whether it's grains or or you know um. soy being the center Center but it's one.

of the most fertile areas in the country. and um California farmers are at the. center of this fire crisis that we're. going to be talking about today and you. know Common Sense policies have been. ignored and you know when we talk about. this. modern conservative movement you know. manga America first I I think so much of. that is misinterpreted by so many people. that America First doesn't mean. isolationism America First doesn't mean. Nation. ISM All America First means.

is the American people it's not too much. for the American people to ask and. expect that the government that they've. elected and pay. for makes decisions that are good for. them we put the American people first we. put American businesses first we put the. American Border first we make decisions. as elected officials we may disagree on. details and procedure But ultimately. when we make a decision for what's good. for the American people and what we've.

been seeing for so many years now are. decisions that are bad for the American. people we put the rest of the world. first we put in Southern California. we're putting environmental groups first. we're BR putting the Smelt fish first. we're putting endangered iceberg lettuce. first we're saying you can't pump water. out of this Reservoir because there's a. snail in there that's endangered don't. touch that water we're saying don't cut. any of those trees out of that Forest. because it's protected area well guess. what that Forest Burns we're saying you. know we're not going to be ready to have. Community resilience for this because it.

violates our endangered specied act. protections and then we're not ready for. a fire so I I think this. fire um you know is is going to be a. wakeup call for the whole country. because you know I I started my. company's um quick background to how I. got into fire you know how is a Navy. SEAL senator now what does Wildfire have. to do with me like you served overseas. as Seal team leader and as you know. during during those War years we got.

very good at integrating close air. support and Airborne ISR real time into. a ground team and you know for years you. know when the first time aircraft were. used in support of military. operations no I don't Napoleon of. course even though I'm excited for the. new Administration there's a lot of. tension in the world Russia Ukraine the. border inflation who knows what could.

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that. but like I said it's a free CIA. intelligence brief sign up links in the. description or in the comments we'll see. you in the. newsletter they started hot air balloons. on a tether up so they could spot for. the artillery and defilade no kid yeah. very rudimentary they' look at you know. and then yell down corrections to their. cannons and of course that rest through. obviously into World War I early.

airplanes stop with camel etc etc then. you know World War II of course was the. first real air war and throughout all. and then of course Vietnam through the. Cold War but the first during those 20th. century Wars you know we'd take. imagery take pictures and if anyone's. ever watched that movie 13 days where it. shows the fa Crusader flying over Cuba. taking a picture of the Soviet missiles. and The Landing in DC and it shows how. all the steps the guy has had to run the. film through before it gets shown to the. president. you know Airborne reconnaissance was a.

tool of the Strategic commanders. generals secretaries presidents the. average guy on the ground like you and I. we didn't see those pictures in World. War II or Vietnam. Korea um but what we saw in our war in. the global war on terror was was a a. closure of that information Loop to. where every operating on the ground was. starting to get access to that. information and I was a GameChanger on. so many occasions see how many guys were. in the compound see where the rocket uh. point of origin sits on the ridgel line.

see where the enem squirting off to and. seeing that information in in a timeline. that you can make a tactical decision. not strategic not we're going to invade. the country on the East instead of the. West because that's where the missiles. are but hey Split Second decision squirt. her out the out the North End you know. go so I was part of that era and I. started flying planes when I was when I. was a kid my neighbor growing up was a. Navy pilot Harry TBO great man Korean. Warrior a Navy pilot and he took me a. flying when I was about 8 years old and. and I fell in love with it right away.

I'm like flying is going to be my life. and he started teaching me how to fly. and his son Steve TBO started teaching. me how to fly um and I got I start I was. flying planes before I was driving cars. got my P license right away sold when I. was 16 P license 17 and I went to. Annapolis and I went to Annapolis to be. a Navy pilot like that's what I was. going to do be a Navy pilot and an. astronaut you know like the movie The. Right Stuff that was my that was going. to be my path and of course I get there. and the wars are kicking off Afghanistan. Iraq and realized pretty quickly that me.

flying planes was really a selfish. desire I loved flying but this was a. ground war we didn't need guys circling. around in Jets no offense to our our. pile of Trends but this was a door. kickers war and I wanted to be where I. was needed the absolute most in that war. and that was on the ground so I went. into the teams but I always had that. Aviation knowledge and passion and my. first deployment was Iraq. 09 and part of a Joint Task Force there. out at Baghdad and we had we had the. integrated ISR all the time and I really.

saw the power of those sensor systems. and my next deployment was Afghanistan. and. 10 few others after that and across. those deployments I saw the impact of of. having realtime information being shared. with us and then being able to bring in. aircraft very precisely conducting air. strikes and support of troops in contact. and um one of the times that I was. injured was actually Friendly Fire and. Apache shot at us instead of the enemy. it was a mixup in the coordination of. you've heard that luckily nobody was.

seriously wounded or killed obviously. but we all got our Bell rung and a. little bit of you know Nick dents and. scratches there. but I came home from that after after I. got out of the military and there was a. fire in Arizona in 2013 called the. Yarnell Mountain Fire they maybe made a. movie about it called only the Brave and. um in that fire there team of Hot Shots. the grand Mountain hot shots were were. fighting a a fire and and the fires in. the Southwest is in Arizona Sage Brush. High Desert uh when you have a Terrain.

and wind driven fire in that kind of. fuel type moves very fast very dangerous. you know all fires are dangerous but. like heavy Timber fires in the Northwest. are really tough to put out but they. don't move quite as fast dry Sage Brush. and high desert fuels those light fuels. it rips and the wind shifted. Direction the team leader made the right. decision to say with this fire is get. out of control I'm going to get my team.

out of here I'm going to move him to a. safe Zone well unfortunately he made the. right decision but with the wrong. information and instead of moving to a. safe Zone you know they moved into a. Zone where the fire burned him over and. killed them burned them all alive 19. firefighters killed and about as I was. getting out it was about a year and a. half after that event I I read the. debrief on it and I realized as I read. through it had that team leader had the. same you know 19 that's about how many. we'd have on the mission with seals and. I couldn't and in the desert mountains I.

was like I'm I I could feel myself in. his shoes in Afghanistan run around my. guys in. Afghanistan and I said man if that team. leader had the same tools I had as a. team leader in Afghanistan his team. would be alive so I started my company. Bridger space to bring that. capability if I could bridge that. Gap and provide that kind of data to our. firefighters we could save some lives. and do some good so we started my. company it was another veteran. co-founder of mine uh we started my barn. with every scent we had and it was it.

was classic like shoot first ask. questions later like let's just start a. company and and we think we can solve. this problem having no idea what we were. getting into um and man it was it was an. adventure 10 years it was awesome we. went from two guys in a barn we created. over 400 jobs all over the world uh we. split into two companies. eventually uh we spun out our technology. that was inferred into a defense company. that shot down drones was very. successful we sold that and then we took. our firefighting company public we one. of the arest aerial firefighting.

providers in the world now um and then. little belt catco we talk about later my. my sniper from my Seal Team runs little. belt catalo Farm to Table beef from the. time the calf hits the ground to the. time you know it's processed never Le. the state of Montana and um it's it it's. minimally transported because every time. you move that cow it stresses out the. animal and um really proud of the. product it's some of the best beef. you're ever going to have all veteran. run operation there and um we're really. trying to rebuild the American food. supply chain because we're sending so.

much of our food supply chain overseas. and it's so unhealthy for our people. we're an unhealthy country right now. yeah and we do everything can to make. our food here again so but anyway so. back to fires and um bridg was the core. of all these other amazing businesses. that that I'm so proud that our veteran. Team all were led by veterans every. single one and um and uh we started. bringing this close air support model to. Wildfire to say we can realtime infared. surveillance giving the ground team. realtime intelligence then we can come.

in bring water bombers in that. specialize in tight direct attack high. volume on the fire we can put that thing. out and give the team the best support. they can possibly get and um and that's. what we've done and um you know one of. our Pilots actually was one of the guys. we got out of Afghanistan he was an. Afghan Air Force pilot who with his with. his Squadron snuck out of the country. The Wall Street Journal WR a great. article about about him and the company. a few years ago we got him out of the. country flew to is bistan as he was. flying out of Cobble they shot at his.

plane shot a hole in his fuel tank so he. ran out of fuel crashed land in. usbekistan you know we're all in touch. with them you know the whole way the. team that you know got that knew that. were handling them all the way got him. to the. states American dream we get him out of. Afghanistan get his family to the US get. him legally set up and now he's flying. again fighting wildfires in America. fighting for our country again damn. that's amazing yeah and he's a great guy. but but what we're seeing in LA right.

now is a catastrophe I mean it is it is. the culmination of so many facets of. just basic mismanagement and. wrong-headed policies come to a head and. unfortunately this isn't the first time. you know in the last year and a half. lahina Maui remember yeah Hawaii who. thinks wildfires when I think Hawaii. very few people 100 people dead L wiped. off the map New Jersey in November who. thinks about wildfires in New Jersey but. we had big fires in New Jersey in. November we had the largest fire in.

Texas history one of the largest fires. in American history The Smokehouse Creek. Fire last. March um and of course now we're seeing. literally our nation's largest city burn. to the ground yeah. yeah yeah you know we're going to dive. into this but um as of right now just. looked it up we got 25 Dead uh it sounds. like from the fire about 40,000 Acres. have been burned to the ground. thousands and thousands of structures.

gone and um you know it sounds like. there was a lot of incompetence sounds. like we saved a lot of uh fish and. snails but um not a lot of people and. you know I. mean where are we going to where are all. these people going to go I mean like you. said this one of the largest cities in. America. and where are they going to go this is. going to take this is going to take. years to a different state I mean.

remember what happened Katrina when all. those folks evacuated New Orleans New. Orleans still hasn't recovered they all. a lot of them fled to Houston many of. them never came back once they were. uprooted and gone they stayed I think a. lot of these people who are leaving the. state to go stay with family elsewhere. packed up the car and drove away many of. them may not come. back man man well you know. Trump called this actually on on Joe.

Rogan's podcast he talked what was the. fish the smelt the smelt the smell fish. said that they they weren't pulling. pulling water from there because they. wanted to save the smell fish is it is I. mean a lot of incompetencies we'll get. into those but Ian what were your. initial thoughts when you saw when you. saw the fire knew right away it was. going to be a catastrophe and actually. recently about three weeks ago four. weeks ago I wrote an oped before all. this are you serious we wrote an.

opad in appeared in Fox news.com saying. we are not ready to fight wildfire in. this country our system is fundamentally. broken and we have a big one coming and. we're not ready I wrote a book about it. two years ago called mudslingers about. aerial firefighting and 100% of the. procees of that book go to fallen and. injured Wildland firefighters I don't. make a sent off it but in the book I. wrote about it too I said I've been. fighting fires for almost a decade now. I'm not an expert this this guy's been. doing it for 30 40 50 years but I'm.

telling you how we fight Wars in other. countries is such a far cry from how we. protect our people MH our own people and. when I see I'm not criticizing the brave. firef fires on the ground uh for let's. talk about our firefighters you know a. structure of firefighter in whatever. City you're in you D. 911 by national code National Fire. Protection Association NFPA 49 1710 they. whole list of codes there'll be a red.

big red fir truck at your front door in. about 5 minutes 20 seconds every city in. the country is laid out that. way and we pay those firefighters year. round fantastic salaries great wages. because they do a dangerous and. important job for our communities we may. not need them every day but when we need. them we need them and we [ __ ] need. them right. away we do the same thing with our. police officers same thing with our. military right now our our firefighters. have been staring out a battle that the. barrel of a 40% pay cut our Wildland.

firefighters we pay our Wildland. firefighters like hourly seasonal. employees we% pay cut when did that. happen it hasn't happened yet but that's. what they are if we don't enact. legislation to protect their pay that's. what they're looking at having and every. year that's that's what our firefighting. community that protects our Wildland. firefighting uh our wildine firefighter. Community is constantly worried are we. going to get paid next year because they. are paid as our hourly seasonal. employees you know and you look at the.

disparity between how we treat a veteran. that goes to war they get paid a salary. it's not the best salary world but it's. a salary to live on they get housing. benefits they get medical benefits and. if they get hurt injured or killed. either in the states or on deployment. basically the military and the VA take. care of them basically it's not we all. know the VA is not perfect but there's a. system in place our Redland firefighters. get none of that in fact my team and I. started a foundation raised hundreds of. thousands of dollars specifically for. that the Montana firefighter fund.

specifically to help severely injured or. killed firefighters in their families. because there is no sgli there's no. VA there's no Wounded Warrior. Project and when these guys get hurt or. God forbid killed their families are. kind of left like what's the big deal. like what what I mean what are we what. are we supposed to do where where is the. help so it's it's incredibly sad um but. if you look at how we Tre the problem. holistically this is such a Challen ing. problem to solve it's actually very. simple to solve but it's very.

challenging because it's it's a whole of. government issue let's take the LA fires. I'm talking about um for years. California has led the nation in. environmental. reform there's some good things about. that we all want clean air we all want. healthy forests we all want healthy. ecosystems and we want as many species. running around as possible I know very. few people actually I don't think I know. anybody who doesn't want those things MH. but those policies come at a cost and. this is again going back to America.

First policies have impacts and if. you're going to say that the smelt or. the Aran snailfish or you know the. spotted owl is more important than the. safety of millions of residents that's a. decision you have to make openly and. clearly and you have to be honest with. your constituents hey everybody I know. you all. want spotted owl was flying around are. you comfortable with your neighborhood. burn burning to the ground. to protect that owl and I people would.

say uh no absolutely not are you crazy. so how we how our structure firefighting. Community is is built it it emanates. from the great fires of the 19th century. so you know go through history. especially in America we built our. cities fast during National Expansion. built them out of wood and they built. them without any rules people just threw. up whatever they could Denver Kansas. City Chicago Boston these great fires. the Great Chicago fire really was was. the was the impetus I think it was 1893.

I might be wrong on a year or two there. but late 19th century and after that. fire everyone came together and said. never again we're done with our cities. burning to the ground this is happening. too often and actually who came out and. fixed it was Private Industry westing. house General Electric the electric. companies who were wiring our cities. with early electricity there was no code. of how to run wires you know now you. can't put an outlet in without pulling. out the code book and a guy coming by. insect ing it back then it was so new.

you just yeah whatever stick the wires. in here and let's go so all these wood. buildings jammed together with a bunch. of wires running through them that were. shorting out all the time and these. cities start on fire and they'd. literally burn to the ground so in the. in the wake of the Great Chicago Fire. the electrical companies came together. and formed an association an association. that today is known as the National Fire. Protection. Association and they said very clearly. number one this is morally wrong it's. also bad for business like we're burning. down cities we are going to create a.

system of codes to better protect our. cities from Wildfire and fast forward. through the 20 cent what that did was. building coats fire sprinklers you know. how we wire our rooms to make sure that. you know uh the the outlets in our. wirings you know 16 18 inches off the. ground depend what state you're in you. know how we run the wires through. conduit uh where fire hydrants are those. early fires what would happen is it was. before water in the cities so they'd. fight in with Bales uh pales of sand you. know and shovel on the fire and a lot of.

times they create fire breaks in the. city so as as buildings were burning. instead of spraying water ARS they. didn't have fire idant they would just. demolish a line of buildings behind them. that's where they're saying Fight Fire. with Fire comes from and then start them. on fire to create a back bur to. literally they'd burn down part of the. city to keep the rest of the city from. burning when the main fire got there. which is a tactic to fight Wildfire um. and eventually they said this is. ridiculous we should be able to fight. fires in our city so they created. a system to fight fires and that starts.

with building codes it starts with a. fire Hyder in every street corner it. starts with hoses that match the fire. hyers because then as we started to use. water in to fight fire you know. different Burrows would help each other. out Brooklyn would go help Manhattan or. you know Long Beach would go help you. know Anaheim whatever and they get there. and the hoses wouldn't match because. they bought different equipment you know. or they made their own thing up and then. you'd have a fire wagon show up and try. to plug their and ah [ __ ] these are. different sizes like what what good is.

it if we can't hook the hoses up so they. standardize hose sizes respirators how. to train firefighters and it created a. national standard for firefighting that. as it was adopted decreased structural. firefighting deaths in civilians and. firefighters by 80% and as you well know. today I mean firefighters we call them. firefighters but really I think 94% of. call outs for firefighters now are. medical related they're basically and. car accidents yeah we've largely.

eliminated structure fire from our. nation's regular everyday occurrence and. every around every city fire stations. are are located to provide a five minute. response time anywhere in the city and. within that response time is a table of. requirements okay it's four-story. building it'll be a ladder truck it's a. 10-story building this big all right we. need two ladder trucks four rescue rigs. two ambulances and they basically. construct that based on a on a response. Matrix um and a five minute response. time means you call n one because you.

have the kitchen fire they get there. while the fire is still in the kitchen. they show up half hour later or an hour. later now the fire is in the living room. or the whole house is burned down or. it's moved to the next house so time is. of the essence in fire response any kind. of fire you know what the response time. is nationally for Wildland. fires I don't afraid that's because. there isn't one oh there is no. requirement none. that's why like last year for the Texas.

fires it took 3 to four days for. aircraft to be able to be ordered. through the system and I'll tell you why. I'm not blaming anybody it's not the. forest Services fault it's not the. department interior's fault this is just. how the system we've allowed to exist. works when the fire season's over season. it's January and we have the biggest. fight war hisas on American history. burning as we speak and it's January so. there is no fire season November we were. burning in New. Jersey all summer of course is Colorado.

Utah Montana the. West February last year we're burning in. Texas now it's January we're burning in. La so there is no season anymore if. there ever was. one but when these traditional federal. system says the Fire season is. over they deactivate all the air tankers. and all the firefighters all the engines. they lay off the fire Crews and they. shut down the fire stations it's. literally like if this here in this.

neighborhood you said you know we. haven't had a fire here in about a week. we feel pretty good hey. mayor fire all the firefighters sell the. fire engines for cash and and shut down. the fire stations because we obviously. don't need them anymore we haven't had a. fire in a week so why do we need all. these people hanging around that is the. exact Paradigm that governs our Wildland. Fire Apparatus nationally and that's why. in January there was not a made response. Matrix ready to go for this because come.

winter time winter time we send. everybody. home how many people have been do do you. have any idea how many people are now. displaced I've heard I think we're over. 15,000 evacuated 15,000 I'm sorry I. think I think it's over almost 15,000. structures have been damaged I think 60. 50 or 60,000 people have been evacuated. as of today wow I know some people are. starting to trick trickle back in um but. yeah pretty serious numbers I mean those. are huge numbers how did this you know.

we me and you had a we had a phone. conversation uh a couple days ago uh. when we put the interview together the. timeline here and I asked. you how did this start could this have. been you know we talk a lot about. terrorism on the show could it be could. it be terrorism I mean you said yourself. go ahead you know what Al-Qaeda said no. it absolutely could be and you know we. recovered plans you know not not we but. the Royal we you know Special Operations. intelligence Community Law Enforcement.

I'm not sure who was the the. appropriating you know agency but uh. there were plans recovered from Al-Qaeda. that's that had a a proposed plan to. attack America with Wildfire because. anyone who's been to the Western us. spent time out there you go out there in. those dry months August September. October especially like now with the San. Ana winds kicking it's the cheapest way. to wreak absolute havoc on our nation. the cheapest way I mean 911 was pretty. cheap but you know they trained those. guys for a few years they had to hijack.

airliners and it was a complex plan well. executed hate those guys but you got to. respect that was a well executed plan. terrible thing about wildfires easiest. thing ever I mean drive down the. interstate with a Roman Candle or you. know a Evan bottle of kerosene light it. and throw out the window or keep driving. and the fuel is so explosive that. especially in winds like this those fire. will move fast I mean so last year the. SmokeHouse Creek fire in Texas we'll get.

back to LA in a second but I think it's. important for folks to realize. everyone's talking about La as they. should be MH but there's so many other. incidents in the past many many years. that that illustrate why this is. preventable and why we need to act now. to fix it The Smokehouse Creek fire in. Texas last year was a. disaster um the local. response as usual is great these local. fire departments man up they get out. there they fight hard they protect their. communities but they do not have the.

resources a local fire truck is not. designed to fight a million acre fire. it's designed to go fight a little. two-bedroom house fire in a neighborhood. these guys are out gone they're. outmatched that fire at at Peak spread. when it was being pushed by 80 mph winds. was burning two football fields a second. wow I mean visualize that wow that's how. fast it can spread so this isn't the. perception of people that think about a. fire it's plotting along football fields. a second it's plotting along and it.

doesn't burn in a line you know uh you. know it's I fought a lot of fires from. the air fought two fires myself on a. ranch this summer you know if you live. out west especially if you're an egg. fighting wild you better be always ready. with your with your pick and your shovel. and your plasy tool to go fight a fire. because the hay baler the hay rake the. swather you'll hit a rock when you're. when you're pulling hay and you know it. will it will start a fire so um two. football fields a second. is how fast that thing is moving and it. doesn't move in a line especially when.

it's moving fast the heat of the fire. like when people look at these pictures. in California they'll look at they'll. see trees intact and they see a house. gone and they look at those pictures. like how did that happen how come the. trees are standing but the house is gone. well a lot of this because the proximity. heat of the fire will cause things to. self-c combust in front of the fire so. it's not even the line of the fire it's. just the heat that it's creating causes. the flash point of material to just. burst into flames and then Embers will. get blown by the wind out in front of.

the fire line and you'll have spotting. and spotting is where you see spot fir. starting in front of and that's how. sometimes the Ash will. blow miles in front of the fire and. start spot fires that can be a whole new. fire and that's what we're getting. seeing now in La is a complex fire. that's what we call a complex fire where. it's not one simple fire it's a whole. area of fires like we're seeing in La. now there's multiple fires around the. valley that have been. started and now you've got a complex. fire you got a huge incident of multiple.

different fires that are all part of the. same ecosystem but they are different. incidents and that makes your your. response to that that much harder so I. mean do we you know kind of back to the. thank you for that that that that. explains a lot on how these spread and. that's I mean 2 Acres a second that's. that's moving MH um you know the. terrorism do we know how do we know how. this started not yet and obviously one.

thing about arson investigation is is. you know it is inherently challenging. because the area has been burned um. there's definitely been accusations that. this is arson I have not seen any you. know foolproof evidence that it was um. but there absolutely has been arsonists. all over the country that started these. fires and one thing that has been a big. issue on the west coast is is a lot of. the the the homeless drug population. where they're out there they've got a. stove they're either cooking their food.

or meth or whatever in these homeless. camps and then fires kick off in there. and then boom it's gone um that but when. you go back to the terrorist concept it. makes a lot of sense I mean this is now. the most expensive natural disaster in. American. history I mean it's it's not even over. yet but it's on track to me the most. expensive disaster in American history. billions and billions of dollars and. think about this Sean this is the. scariest part about this fire the deaths. are are are terrible the amilies and the. homes destroyed but this is the really.

scary underlayment of this issue. Insurance Wildfire. Insurance could go away after this I. mean it's been happening these fires we. have more people living in Wildfire prod. than we've ever had before in America. you know Western us whether it's Resort. communities in the mountains whether. it's La I mean people are building homes. up into the hills literally in the. middle of fire country than never did. before and and as a result those homes. have to be insured because normally to. get a mortgage you need to have.

homeowners insurance well Wildfire home. insurance has already been creaky these. last Fe that the the foundations are. starting to trouble after that paradise. fire the campfire in Paradise California. lahina uh so many fires Across the. Western us insurance companies are. starting in Far More risk averse on. whether we're going to underwrite a home. in a wildfire risk. area this fire May eliminate it all. together and if that happens think how. many people will lose homeowners. insurance and will not be able to. finance their home or will lose their.

mortgage or their homeowners insurance. will go up so much they can't afford to. live there I mean this could be a crisis. in homeownership which is as you know. for the last four generations has been. the main vehicle for American wealth. creation the vast majority of Americans. wealth is in their home that's where we. put our Nest EG that's where we generate. long-term wealth we make a salary we. have a 401k but really most of us our. eggs are in our home and we're betting. that's going to appreciate over our. lifetime and that will be my that will.

be the foundation of my net worth yeah. you know I mean the same thing's kind of. happening on the East Coast especially. in Florida with with uh with hurricanes. and they're Interlink because it all. they all feed back to the same. reinsurance pool they're not these. aren't segregated pools for the most. part they're all coming back to the same. reinsurance Underwriters so they're all. exposed to the same risk and we are. approaching a crisis point where. almost 08 Style real estate crisis.

because a third of America lives in. Wildfire prone areas and a lot of. Americans live in Hurricane prone. Southeast but think about Wildfire is. far bigger impact than the southeast. hurricanes and not not to belittle it at. all but a lot more people live west of. the. Mississippi than live in that kind of. Gulf Corner yeah yeah I mean I know they. got a lot of friends down in Florida. moved up here from Florida I mean some. of these I think they're their insurance. went up. 40% 40% and that's not done going up.

that's just that's just a short trend. line some of them can't even get insured. depending on where the where the flood. zones are but and if you already own a. house maybe you can keep your mortgage. but you almost can never get a new. mortgage if you can't get insurance they. require it yeah so if you're trying to. buy a home and you can't get an. hurricane or fire coverage you may not. be able to buy a home yeah so I mean is. it. is kind of moving into insurance I.

wanted to go back I mean I do believe. there is we we'll hit on the insurance. in a minute but I I believe there is. proof they caugh that one guy with the. blowtorch he he was biking off going. behind the house with the blow torch I I. have no doubt some of these again. there's multiple fires were definitely. human started no question now my I guess. the point is I don't know if they're. coordinated I don't know if there's some. crazy methhead who's off as rocker who. just feels like doing it cuz that that. has happened several times where just. some ass who's literally out of his mind. or if it's somebody who's malicious or.

if it's a coordinated attack because. Al-Qaeda did have a plan to basically. [ __ ] the American West Coast they. wanted to start fires basically from. Southern California to Washington all. along the Pacific Coast Highway. essentially and just create a firestorm. in the western us to [ __ ] us and as. we're seeing right now it would have. worked how would they I mean how how. would they even find out what caused. this will they they well I I I mean I. don't know for sure it sounds like the.

you know the the emergency response. stuff in La hasn't been up to par so I I. don't know but I assume they. will and we'll probably find that some. of it was was genuine um let's talk. California policies mm you know the. campfire in Paradise was caused by uh a. pg& gas line Pacific Gas Electric I'm. sorry power line that shorted out start. of the fire. I think some of these were intentional.

arson some of them may be utility lines. but you know P gen was blamed as a big. evil American. corporation these guys didn't maintain. their power lines their corporate greed. and they got multi-billion dollar. judgment that got taken to court. basically put out of business and and. you know you owe all these people. billions of dollars for your. failures Fair got to hold people. accountable I'm not afraid of. accountability at. all but the reason PG's infrastructure. and their power lines was so old and.

faulty the reason they didn't pay to. upgrade it was because the state of. California had forced them to reinvest. all of their income into solar power. wind power and Dei and wasn't allowing. them to make the necessary upgrades to. their traditional fossil fuel oriented. power infrastructure and for years. management was saying we need to upgrade. these Century old transmission lines. because they are a fire threat we need. need to be able to cut trees down around. the power lines so they don't start them.

on fire and of course what state of. California say no you can't cut trees. down cutting trees down is bad we don't. do that in California you can't cut. trees down by the way we're not letting. you spend any more money on these power. lines because they carry dirty power and. dirty power is bad for mother nature and. it's bad for the world so instead you're. going to take that money you want to fix. your old dirty power lines you're going. to build win. turbin. and over the objections of of management. that's what happened and the impacts we. feel now and and it's no different that.

there's a there's a. great science experiment you can do with. with somebody when they ask about you. know aeral firefighting which obviously. you're seeing a display of that here in. California right now the big yellow. planes that come in and scoop the water. that that's what I fly that's what our. company would. operate everywhere else in the world. when those planes drop water on fire you. know when you take a glass and you fill. it with a carbonated beverage and you. pour it in quick it fills you know you. maybe pour 3 ounces in the whole cups. full of carbonation you pour steel water.

into your glass it only however much you. pour in is how much you. fill every other country in the world. when you see those water bombers fly in. they use what's called water. additives so you scoop the water out of. the ocean out of a Lake Reservoir you. add in gel-based additives foam ads. whatever it is retardant based Solutions. and increases the effectiveness of that. water drops on the fire by 5 to 6X 3 to. 4X depending on the but you know. significantly and because when it drops.

on the fire it Foams up and suffocates. the fire but here in America we don't do. that because we're not allowed because. that foam might harm. the white tailed deer population or the. Eurasian snailfish or the smelt or the. Goldfish well we don't want that stuff. poured in our forest so that's bad we. don't like that's throughout the entire. us yes you are prohibited not like. you're not encouraged not to do it you. are prohibited from putting those things. in your airplanes it's like the rest of. the world fights this way because it's.

more effective now you're forcing it's. like if you were deployed overseas and. they said no you can't carry that AR. it's too effective and there might be a. straight bullet to hit a civilian you. can only carry your CM on this. department. dyment geez and that's that that's the. type of rules I mean there's many that. we can go on for hours about all these. different codes and regulations that. restrict effective firefighting of. Wildland fires but that's just one. example of one thing we do in America. and you know it's wrong-headed. environmental policies that are having.

these impacts and we're seeing the thing. about these fires whether you're a. billionaire a millionaire an actor or a. homeless guy they affect you just the. same it doesn't give a [ __ ] who you are. it's burning your community down and and. you better get the hell out of the way. and we're seeing everyone on you on. their phones what the hell how could. this happen and I pay the highest taxes. on La we have the more rules than. anybody we we're doing more climate crap. here than anywhere and guess what our. City's the one burning down. and you know sometimes you'll be. fighting a fire and you know you you.

want to pull water from a reservoir to. go fight the fire and time is critical. as I mentioned in a fire initial attack. get there. fast well you have a reservoir right. next to the fire your turn time could be. 1 minute 2 minutes 3 minutes 5 minutes. nope can't use this Reservoir there's a. there's an endangered goldfish that. lives there you need to go to that. Reservoir 20 mil away is that what. happened in in La ABS this happens all. over California I. personally personally is recently like. September you can't go in that body of.

water you got to go over to that one and. now your turn time instead of two. minutes is 20 minutes doesn't sound like. a big deal until you realize over the. course of a day you are decreasing the. effectiveness of that asset by 10x 10. times and oh by the way because you. haven't put that foam in the water now. add a 5x on that so now we're at 50. times less effective than we could. be and if you're someone sitting there. whose house is about to burn down and. you're like hey over here and the plane. flies over your head or the helicopter. flies over your head and you're like oh.

sorry the the Goldfish Pond can't use. that we got to go 20 mil away we'll see. in 20 minutes and you're like my this. this fire is spreading at two football. fields a second and now it's 20 minutes. away to get air support imagine being. pinned down on a valley in Afghanistan. being told sorry the aircraft is. available but because of uh the. environmental impact of the bomb is. going to drop you just keep holding on. that firefight for another half hour and. we're going to find a green bomb for you. because the dirty dir bombs too dirty. wow and and that's what these people are.

and our brave Wildland firefighting. Crews who are underpaid they don't get. medical benefits they don't get VA. benefits they don't get taken care of. they're on the ground as you see these. pictures soot covered faces underpaid. hacking away chainsaws and and and. palasky tools without the air support. they need and we don't have enough of. them so you know we will spend billions. of dollars on protecting other countries. yeah I was going to get to that in our. own country we can't protect our own.

people and and that comes back to. America First be like oh you know this. all America First means is we we owe it. to our people to protect them I mean. that that's the first duty of maso's. hierarchy of needs that's the first duty. of government is to protect the safety. of its people it's just like being a. parent you know there's a lot of things. you need to do as parent you got to. educate your kids want to make sure. they're well-rounded make sure they're. humble make sure they they're. God-fearing and and respectful and. that's all good but guess what the first. thing you do is make sure they're safe. the first thing a parent does is make.

sure the children are safe the first. thing our government should do before. they worry. about transgender education before they. worry about welfare payments before they. worry about you know. uh utilities before they worry about any. other function it's are our people safe. and right now as we're seeing you know. the largest or the second Lar. it's a big one one of our biggest cities.

that's a beacon of the American dream is. not. safe I just I can't so so they put. a a fish mhm or lettuce or the spotted. owl or whatever the hell it was they put. that they put. that above human life and and I think. and that's that's that's a federal law. that's not a California law yeah it's. all the above so and here's the.

challenging part of this Wildland. Paradigm is it is it is so Insidious. around us and and I want to be clear. there's no Mastermind there's no George. Soros back there like I'm going to burn. down America and here's how we're going. to do it this is just the accumulation. of Decades of bad policy just bad policy. Forest. management at one point the US Forest. Service was the largest percentage-wise.

contributor to the US national treasury. it was a profitable agency that's an. oxymoron I mean executive branches you. don't earn a profit you are a cost. center by definition if the government. was a business our executive branch. agencies are cost centers we raise money. from taxes tariffs revenue and then we. spend it in our executive agencies to. provide services to our people by. definition not really supposed to. generate Revenue but the forest service. would through timber relases that's why. it's under the Department of Agriculture. the US for service sit under USDA which.

is weird the for service should be under. us DOI by modern kind of cognitive. standards but because it was a. harvestable commodity product they put. it under US Department of. Agriculture well the USDA is worried. about corn subsidies and soybean prices. and egg exports around the world I mean. forests are are tiny pimple on the ass. of what USDA does every day it's not. core to their. mission um and as a result what's. happened is the Environmental lobbying. groups and the Very litigious.

environment that we now have has shut. down American Timber industry and now we. buy our Timber from Canada and Chile and. everywhere else but we don't grow timber. here in America anymore because it's. impossible almost to have a business. model that works with American Timber I. mean in Montana and this connects to. fire I'll Circle back here to explain. why this is important there used to be. 36 Timber Mills in the state of Montana. and important jobs for these small towns. like Libya and Troy and Columbia Falls.

where every town would be surrounded by. big beautiful forests they'd bring the. logs in build Timber to build American. homes with American jobs with American. trees and over the years as the. environmental groups partnered with. enviros in government who were active in. wanting to shut down the timber. industry who then partnered with massive. donors. to conserve and protect Wildland they.

started shutting down massive swaths of. our country I mean Biden just did a. massive grab uh for National National. protected Wildlife Refuge land Obama did. them all over the place where they're. just grabbing millions of Acres saying. boom Wilderness National Monument. National Monument can't touch this can't. touch. that and you know impacts of that. somewhere economic we can't drill in. those areas anymore for oil and gas we. can't pull lithium out of the ground one. of the largest lithium deposits in the. world is on DOI land BLM land in Nevada.

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logging like we did for centuries here. well that industry was basically shut. down in America 30 years ago it's. basically been litigated out of. existence so now you have these Wildlife. fairies where you can't build roads you. can't cut a tree down and you can't run. any kind of utilities because they're. Wilderness they have to be left exactly. as they are what what happens is you get. a buildup of of fuel loading and if you. haven't spent time in the Forest of the. western us the vast majority of them you. can't walk off if there is a trail you.

can't walk off the trail because there's. six 8 10 feet of Deadfall there it's. largely inaccessible well when that fire. comes through a natural fire is supposed. to burn through the floor of the forest. and rejuvenate you know kill the. saplings burn through the underbrush and. rejuvenate bring nitrogen back to the. soil now with so much fuel loading there. and that fire comes through it burns. about 10 times hotter than it's supposed. to and it it scorches the ecosystem. destroys it and that fire is hotter and. stronger than we were able to.

fight and those type of Environmental. Protection policies Wilderness policies. Don't Touch This Land don't build a road. there build up and make it so we can't. fight fire in these parts of the country. um so fixing this fire issue means we. need to bring back Common Sense public. lands management because most of these. lands that are mismanaged the vast. majority of them are public they're. owned by the federal government well I. should say they're owned by the American. people they are public but a long time.

ago the concept that the American people. control these lands left now the. government's runs these lands and and. it's run by environmentalist groups it's. run by the enviral lobby it's run by. environmental lawyers who injunct every. single decision you try to put foam in. an airplane tank and say we need to Boom. they'll injunct that they're waiting. like sniper shot you poke your head up. boom hey we want to start logging this. 600 acre section boom no we're going to. sue you for that hey we want to start.

mining no boom hey we want to build a. road here no Sue you're in violating. this Wilderness code and they they. litigate you out of existence hey we. want to use this Reservoir to fill our. fire hydrants no boom that that's an. endangered species classified body of. water can't touch it and then you think. about these fire hydrant going dry in La. there's a lot of reasons why but is that. is that I wanted to ask you that is that. true that the that there was no water or. the a lot of the fire hydrant were. running dry and a lot of reasons for it. some of it was power was shut down and.

obviously if you're up higher elevation. like if you're on a Promontory out there. you need electric pump pressure to get. those those hydrant full well when they. shut power down that's not happening. number one number two I mean what's a. what do you think a fire hydrant is. built for I mean what do you have a fire. hydrant threee corner it's for a house. fire right I mean it's for one firet. truck to pull up hook up his hose and. spray down the house. so that's what our FOH hydrants are. designed to do again Urban firefighting. our whole cities are planned for urban.

firefighting pull the firet truck up. plug the hose in spray the house now. imagine turning every single fire. hydrant on in the city to fight 5,000. house fires at once [ __ ] the water. pressure is not there for that it's like. turning every shower in your house on at. once and every sink on and flush every. toilet and turn your washing machine and. your dwasher on you probably don't have. enough water pressure anymore to keep. all that running. so when you turn every fire hydrant plus. every Citizen's got their garden hose.

on pretty. soon I mean the system is taxed beyond. what it's designed to have so we're in a. great fire period like we were over 100. years ago when we have now had many US. cities wiped off the. map literally I mean l is gone parts of. LA are gone. Paradise California is. gone it's about time we realize we can't.

keep doing this so who's you know at the. very beginning of this interview we. talked about holding government. accountable yes so for the LA. wildfires who needs to be held. accountable is it Gavin Nome is it. there's a lot of talk about the the um. the three it sounds like the three top. people in charge of the fire departments. in that in in in LA or Dei types I mean.

who who needs to be held accountable. there or is it the federal government uh. all the above and and the best way to. hold people accountable is elections you. know California's got to wake. up why do you keep voting for these. people I don't know I mean [ __ ] Gavin. new got recalled and they put him right. back in there yes but um you know I. mean I don't know why this is I don't.

maybe they I I don't I just I can't RP. my head around it I cfor just doesn't. make any damn sense to me but I mean so. let's talk about the but accountability. it's important let's let's I want to. Quick hit on that because accountability. matters and there is as Pete hex said in. his interview yesterday or is is as a. hearing you know if you lose your rifle. as a soldier you're crucified if you. lose a war as a general no no body cares. and that same Paradigm holds true in.

Wildfire when these things Happ go. through all these disastrous huge. wildfires and go. find the chain of command for each of. them whether it's a federal agency or a. you're very rarely going to find if. ever that the after these fires after. these disasters happen after it'll take. four or five days to dispatch aircraft. to go fight a fire. why did that take so long what happened. guys well well the system you know and.

how technical do you want to get on some. of the stuff because I mean there's some. interesting technicalities but I don't. want to get too deep I think I think I. think what I'm kind of leaning towards. is let's let's go down the let's just go. down the chain of command here or let's. go down the chain let who at the federal. government needs to be held accountable. how can how can all these places that. are having these wildfires Hawaii Texas. New Jersey California. Washington Oregon how how do they hold. the federal government accountable and.

who and why why why yep so he here is. now you are getting to the Crux of the. issue with Wildfire why is such a big. problem and why we have not fixed it. because there is nobody accountable. there is not a single. confirmed or appointed position in the. US. government that is account able for. Wildfire not a single one not a single.

one now there are employees down the. chain who you know are career GS. employees that have responsibility but. it's not like the military where boom it. goes up Secretary of Defense you are. responsible fix this [ __ ] now or you're. gone there is. no train derails director Transportation. get your ass in here why our bridges. collapsing fix it or you're gone planes. are crashing fa director get your ass in. here if you don't have doors sto falling. off Boeing planes you're gone NASA.

director Challenger just. exploded why the [ __ ] are a rocket. boosters not what's up with the O-rings. fix it or you're gone there is nobody in. the US government that can can be held. accountable so there needs to be some. type of an in in Cross because how it. works a new Administration that the some. kind of director of wildfire exactly and. I not giving I I'm not criticizing.

anybody in the current government I'm. just stating a fact that there's no one. to bring in even if you wanted to if. Trump said find get that guy in who. who's our Wildfire guy they'd be like oh. we don't have one how do we not have one. cities are burning down millions of. Acres burning what do you mean we don't. have one they'd be like well we're going. through the paperwork sir it doesn't. appear we have anybody responsible for. it and that's true we don't now how. Wildland fire responsibility is dictated. is whose land it is and here's part of. the reason that we're delayed when we.

dispatch our aircraft or helicopters or. ground Crews is the first thing that. happens when a fire starts it depends on. where but generally they pull out the. land map and they figure out whose land. is it and they will literally argue over. whose responsibility to fire is because. it comes out of whoever's budget always. comes back to money right this is BLM. land that's Department of interior this. is uh Bia Land This Is state Park land. this is State trust land this is County. Land This is private land and they'll. look at the checkerboard map which is.

what land looks like when you look at. land map in the western us the Checker. Board and they'll basically argue over. whose responsibility it. is and what we need to do is is cross. cut it's like 9911 when they said who. the hell knew this was coming and. everyone got in the. room no one's putting the intelligence. together from law enforcement to. military to the intelligence Community. to say we better start talking and in. the Wildfire World there is no there is. no cross lateral communication that.

ensures that there's one responsible. organization so there needs to be some. type of a committee or an appointee yeah. that that that is created to 100% and. that person the people that oversee. Wildland firefighting who who they exist. under are not they're they're Farmers. they're bureaucrats they're. administrators they're not bad people. but they are not an emergency response. organization they are not it it's like. taking a Seal Team and putting it under. the parks and wreck department mhm like. we have smoke jumpers and Hot Shots and.

water bomber pilots and Hell attack. Crews and awesome guys that are alpha. alpha dudes and women like us who are. tough they go through tough training. they're awesome servants for their. country but then they work in an. environment that's it's not an agency. fit for purpose you know you and I. always worked at least at some point up. the chain we had mediators up there. deciding whether we were going to go. kill the bad guys or not mhm that is not. the case in this community you know. eventually Department of Agriculture the.

forest service guys are you know 15. layers of grain Traders and commodity. crop you know forecasters and. administrators and the DOI it's a little. bit better they're a little bit of a. thinner bureaucracy but firefighters are. not led by other. firefighters and the decisions are not. made about emergency response they're. made with a RIS risk management Outlook. and a financial management Outlook how. do we do this cheaper how do we keep our. people safe. not how do I send a team in there to. save this town and save this community.

so how do I mean how do how do we start. this I mean me and you just started the. conversation and you know hopefully it. spreads but I mean how how does this how. does this I mean how how would that be. implemented is that would that be. implemented by the president would that. be implemented by Congress and then. going to the Senate I mean both yeah. that it's got to be both again the one. of the beautiful things about America is. our Republic how our Founders who are so. wise designed an amazing form of. government that's not perfect but it.

works better everything else in the. world and uh dual track it so the 119th. Congress has to bring in Wildfire. accountability This Disaster is the. wakeup call we've all been warning about. for years that we are not ready we need. to fix this they need to bring it a real. solution not just more of these stupid. hearings and commissions where everyone. talks and nothing happens they need to. create a real legislative P. plan to actually create a national.

Wildland firefighting service task force. accountable commission accountable. agency that says we are going to be the. accountable conduit for all firefighting. president Trump and the executive branch. should say I'm I'm going to point a. wildfire are a wildfire director call. whatever the hell you want but I want. one guy from the executive branch to. support our legislation over here as. they craft this to make sure that we. build a single point of contact. and a single line of. accountability so we can fight these. fires because it crosscuts so the EPA we.

got to get the EP out of the way so we. can manage the forest and we can not. have to be not scooping water from. places we should be scooping water we. need to get the forest service on board. Department of interior on board we need. to get State Foresters and State uh. Department of uh natural resources on. board the FAA who governs Aviation. they've got to make sure they craft a. specific far so that aircraft that fight. fires don't have to go through these. like circular carding inspection.

routines that take them so far from Air. worthin Us in the mission that it waste. time and grounds capable aircraft right. now our Wildfire fighting spectrum is. spread across so many agencies that. there's no accountability it's. impossible to hold them accountable so. we need a we need a committee or an. appointee with bilateral communication. from all these other organizations and. agencies let's move to the let's move to. the state level California y Governor. Nome is he held accountable does he need.

to be held accountable does he have I. mean you know we talk about you know why. does this guy keep getting voted in I. mean I think we need to educate on the. discrepancies yes uh if there are any. that he needs to be held accountable for. I mean they held pg& accountable for. billions of dollars for what they call. Gross negligence in the maintenance of. their transmission lines that started. the campfire that that destroyed. Paradise killed 100 people um I believe. there should be legal repercussions for.

mismanagement you know I I believe there. should be for City officials County. officials State officials that said hey. you ignored the warning signs this wind. event was forecasted that came through. yes fires can start but the conditions. to fires start in are will impact their. behavior and aggressive fast-moving fire. Behavior will be driven especially in no. that type of fuel which is the Southern. California the Santana winds come.

in it's well known in California my. wife's family farm is is is that area. it's up um north of camp penlon area or. yeah and and they up here by Camaro it's. a fruit farm she has two brothers in. Down syndrome and they use their their. Farm as a u it's all down syndrome kids. work on there and it's a way to keep. them engaged and make them part of a. something it's it's really special spot. and it was destroyed in November by by. Wildfire so again this is a very. personal issue yeah for me her parents. and kids and brothers got out but uh you.

know it was a close call but those fires. move so fast and this wind event was. forecasted and there should have been. dozens of planes and helicopters on. standby ready to go they should have had. evacuation plans already communicated in. place very clearly they should have had. firefighting Crews already deployed. ready to go. and they didn't what about the. reservoirs reservoirs could could could.

could Gavin Nome have overridden that. and said no pull from that Reservoir. right there I don't know if he I don't. know the legality but he certainly. should have I mean that's what you do as. a leader you make tough decisions well I. can't violate this right because I can't. you know damn well I mean you let. overseas that's all right I know this is. a rule but guess what people are dying. I'm going to break that rule right now. and I'll deal with the consequences. later you know if I have to drain this. Reservoir that's being reserved for some. Water Reclamation project sorry man I.

got people dying and homes burning we're. going to use that water and we'll deal. with it later and um you know the water. management is tough I mean this is also. consequence of we built we're inhabiting. areas that you know were not designed to. be inhabited by 15 million people you. know they just were not should he have. allocated more funds. to oh yeah I mean him and Ken cut fire. funding you know and and it's funny you. know again I go back to the Heth hearing.

because it was just recently you know. the. um the Democrats were very focused on. Pete's ability to fiscally manage an. organization you know it's amazing the. Democrats all of a sudden worry about. fiscal management you know they've never. cared before and of course in California. you know they're constantly spending. themselves into. Oblivion yet they wanted to cut. firefighter funding and they wanted to. cut funding for the Wildland resilience. firefighting apparatus which they did. they cut that funding so they want to.

spend more and more money on homeless. Camp restoration they want to dump. billions into. homeless issues Rehabilitation free. needles for drug addicts well that's. creating a whole business I we know why. that's happening right that's creating. an entire business to house homelessness. it's an industrial complex yeah but I. mean. geez and and folks say well we don't. have the funding for this to fight fires. you know that costs money uh well this.

is not the most expensive disaster in. American history we're we're spending. billions upon billions recovering from. these fires and you know there are. estimates out there um you know that 20. to 30,000 Americans a year die from. Wildfire related smoke inhilation you. know and if you're in a if you're in a. valley out in the western us breathing. that smoke choked air all day every. day it's not good for.

you how about the you know we talked. about arson earlier you know did had. there been I mean California I believe. was they were a big defund the police. absolutely State correct and so had. there been more police maybe they could. have you know mitigated some of the ARs. and some of the stuff that we saw going. on people post some videos on X do you. think that had anything to do with any. of this as well well I'm sure it did I. mean it's it's when you have abject. lawlessness going on in the.

streets um you know when what we reward. bad behavior and punish good behavior. you know when Daniel penley gets. arrested and tried and car and feathered. for rescuing people uh yeah people you. know people are afraid to step up there. was that video of the citizens. intercepting the guy with the blowtorch. in their neighborhood a couple days ago. where he was going to start another fire. and you could tell they were hesitant to. take this guy down because you know they. see what happens eventually they finally.

did because clearly they saw what he was. about to do but um you know people are. afraid to to get involved now rightfully. so they're saying well I don't want to. go I don't want to stick myself into a. situation where I might be the next. Daniel penny so that falls on law. enforcement who as we well know they've. been um you know they've been treated so. poorly in places like California these. past few years that you know they're so. demoralized they cut their legs right. out from my yeah God bless those guys. and girls for doing what they're doing.

thank God they're out there but man it's. tough tough to know no one's got your. back anything else at the state level. that could have gone that could have. gone different absolutely I mean calfire. actually is a really good organization. especially uh you know just I mean no. one's perfect there's certainly things. that that I'm sure they can and could. have done better but you know they do a. lot with a little um but they should. have had more more assets on contract. that's not really a decision they can. make that's a decision that's going to. come from obviously the state level. calfire works for the state um but you.

know they have access to emergency. funding um but you know at the state. level they have to be giving the. directives to calire listen you need to. have all the resources required to be. able to respond to fires immediately you. know California had already lost a whole. community in 2017 18 we had those fire. all over the SI Nevada front and. obviously campfire destroyed Paradise. California you know we had some. devastating fires near trucky like this.

isn't new for California they need to be. ready for this and they weren't let's. move to the to the local level yeah Fire. Chiefs. what how do they what do what do we need. to hold them accountable for so in La. specifically I don't know these people. personally but obviously we we've seen. their the recruiting videos and the. priorities I mean what does leadership. come down to I mean it comes down to. prioritize and execute one of our my Ste.

team leaders uh when I was going through. Junior officer training you know uh had. a great piece of advice that he R in the. windshield of his humy in Iraq you know. prioritize and execute because as a. leader especially in Emergency. Management situations whether it's. combat whether it's fire you're almost. always going to have more things to do. than you have time to do them so the. most important thing of a leader the. most important thing for a leader to do. crystallize the mission and then. prioritize and execute tasks that. support the mission outcome that you. were expecting or you've been directed.

to achieve and as a firefighting. organization your sole mission is to put. out fires save lives and protect your. community it's not to create. firefighters that look like the people. around them it's not to create equity in. the fire department it's just not that's. a characteristic not a mission MH the. mission is to save people's lives to. have an apartment that looks like the. people you're serving that's a.

characteristic and if you want to have a. characterist that's fine I'm not. criticizing but if that characteristic. interferes with the mission you're wrong. and this leadership was wrong because. they were focused and apparently as far. Chief was making like $400,000 a year. which I did a little bit of research on. that I guess that's fairly normal for. firefighter Chief salaries in California. like they make three to $400,000 a year. which hey more power to you we should be. paying First Responders you know but if.

you're getting paid that much money you. better be goddamn good at your job. because that's a lot of money yeah yeah. do you see I mean do you see any. similarties similarities between the the. LA fires and what happened in. Maui. absolutely delay of initial attack so it. is abs absolutely critical that we get. there early and aggressively when these. fires start and with Maui that was a.

transmission line start also that's very. common cause of these Urban interface. fires and there was no aerial response. effectively nothing and I say I keep. going back to ER not just because that's. what I used to do but I mean that's how. you fight a wildfire early because by. definition wildfires are usually up in. the hinterland up in the hills it will. take time to get enough ground crew. there to have effectively fight the fire. usually now maybe you can get a hand CW. out there quick to you know if it's a.

quick you know hot spot and they contain. it great but more than likely they're. going to get there and what they're. going to do is is maybe start building a. defensive fire line maybe they'll start. getting people evacuated they might you. know get a heal in place to start you. know uh get an anchor in place to start. you know flanking out to one end or the. other Ju Just to get a fire. break but they're going to depend on. aircraft being there. quickly to get that thing under control. and quickly means like 20 minutes 30.

minutes Hour 2. hours Mai there was zero response in. California they only had like two planes. nearby ready to launch on these fires. right away now high winds conditions but. that's the job you know a lot of it's. risk they say well it's too risky to fly. well that's the mission guys I mean. there's risk in a seal there risk. anywhere and sometimes you don't want to. take undue risk but when you're watching. hundreds of homes burn people being.

burned alive like that's a time you're. at maximum. risk geez don't sit on the ground go fly. um what about you know the. the you know little bit different. Switching gears here but we're seeing a. lot of I mean from more I think uh the. the rent you know we're kind of moving. into relief here and we're seeing a lot. of price gouging with with rant in. California we have thousands and.

thousands of people that are now. displaced their B their homes have. burned to the ground and and of course. now you see rent prices going up people. can't afford to to rent anything now I. mean how how do we mitigate. that well first of all having plans in. place ahead of time um so it's not. scramble and you know grab whatever you. can uh second you remember North.

Carolina you know when they were trying. to get hotel rooms and they couldn't cuz. all the FEMA. employees had come to town and FEMA had. soaked up all the hotel rooms and then. the evacuees couldn't find any people. are freezing to death right now yes and. they're like oh well sorry this hotel is. full cuz the FEMA people came down from. like DC or wherever and they're in the. hotel room is working on their laptops. well get them the hell out of here send. them back to their home office so these. vaces have have a roof over their head.

uh military bases we have a lot of. military bases in California and they're. probably not being utilized as you know. a lot of these big bases training Ford. Irwin 29 Palms like those are training. bases where like a whole Regiment of. guys will go out and train open them up. open those Barracks up put up those wall. tents you know get them out there like. we have giant bases out there with. infrastructure with showers I mean it's. not permanent but it's somewhere for. them to go temporarily while we recover.

this now of course once they start. coming back in and finding permanent. housing I mean we're we're we're going. to be tens of thousands of houses. down I mean this is this is the true. truth bomb I think that's really going. to hurt everyone on the back end of this. crisis is the housing impact I mean it's. structural nationally because this will. affect home insurance rates all over the. country. it's not just going to be localized La. this will have a national. impact what about you know just um.

natural disaster relief or it just any. disaster relief I mean you know we see. billions and billions of dollars going. to Ukraine going to. Israel what about our people yeah you. know I mean like I said people were. freezing to death in North Carolina that. they lost their homes in that hurricane. Maui still a disaster now La a disaster.

I mean we're just it just I mean I think. everybody sees it they see all of our. money what appears to be all of our. money getting shipped the Taliban you. know we're funding the Taliban upwards. of a billion dollars a year Ukraine like. I said all all these different we're. we're just we're exporting all of our. money overseas. to help problems that maybe we should or. should not be involved in but I mean why.

are we not prioritizing American people. and and rebuilding these cities and. getting these people out of the freezing. cold that lost their home 6 months ago. and you know I mean how do we how do we. how do we fix that everybody in the. country is frustrated about that and. they should be again I mean I talked. about America First earlier and and I. think you know that phrase and that. concept are are so unfairly portrayed by. so many parts of the American media and. the American mainstream you know the.

people that read the Atlantic every day. and the New Yorker and the New York. Times you know oh America first it's. this lowbrow isolationism like no it's. not it's simply saying it's about time. we put our people and our communities. first before we send $50 billion to. another country we better make damn well. sure that those people that lost their. homes in North Carolina during a once in. a century storm are not out freezing a. day death uh while we're sending the. money elsewhere really it's just good. for it's just it's good for everything. it creates business it creates jobs it I.

mean it's just pouring money back into. our own economy to rebuild what was. destroyed and and I just I I just cannot. wrap my head rather than just shipping. it off and not saying it ever again you. know how does that conversation start. where does it start I mean I think it. starts in the halls of our elected. leadership I it has to and I think it. has I mean that conversation happened. the American people spoke on November. 5th they they just did and they said.

decisively we're tired of that Paradigm. we're tired of seeing our money go. everywhere else we're not isolationists. we don't hate other countries we're. simply saying you know what if we got a. dollar to spend we better damn well. spend it here on our people first and. take care of our people uh before we. send it somewhere else you know what. other count is sending money to us to. keep us afloat you know nobody we've. been doing this for the rest of the. world for you know 80 years since the. end of World War II the entire we've. been the tent pole of the Free World mhm.

and I'm proud to be and I think we. should continue to be but the world's. also evolved since then you know we talk. about you know the America First. construct and we talk about NATO and and. our allies there yeah they're are allies. and we should be there for them just. like they were for us in in in. Afghanistan but they've also had 75. years to recover from the economic. cataclysm in World War III they should. be able to defend themselves pay for the. their own defense out of their own GDP. and deal with their own Regional issues. now I mean they've had 75 years of. economic training wheels to get back on.

their feet uh we got some stuff we got. to deal with here on our own you know so. so these communities deserve investment. from from their own government before it. goes somewhere else and that's not. isolationism that's not nationalism or. extremism that's just common sense and. like that that's what you know again I. never run for before until 2024 and my. whole campaign was based on common sense. and Common Sense means said most. Americans want secure borders Safe. Streets cheap gas cops are good. criminals are bad boys are boys girls.

are. girls pretty straightforward things and. it's not too much for us to ask for. those from our government so so I agree. with you completely that these these. disasters when they come in we need to. be prepared for them ahead of time we. know when Hurricane's coming we know. it's coming for weeks it's not it's not. a secret for the most part I think State. of Florida has done a pretty darn good. job with that and I actually think the. FAL government has gotten pretty good at. the hurricane it's never perfect. obviously no one was ready in North. Carolina they were ready in Florida and. Louisiana but they weren't ready up in.

the Appalachians we know that we weren't. ready in California California's got no. excuse not to be ready for this I mean. they are seeing major fires every single. year there's no excuse for the complete. lack of preparedness that we saw in La. I'm not pointing fingers I'm just. stating a fact mega fires are happening. in California every single year the fact. that this response in America's. arguably greatest city was just. unacceptable yeah you going to be.

bringing some of the stuff up in the. Senate Absolut I already have we've. already got bills drafted to bring. common sense to this like for one ex for. example is going to and oddly enough. Gavin Nome like tweeted it out the other. day not mine exactly but almost the same. stuff which was we are going to expedite. permitting for Timber projects we are. going to expedite you know permits for. water use so we don't have a water. shortage again you know we are going to. make sure we have enough funding to have. appropriate levels you know of.

firefighters and aircraft available. which this should have happened years. ago because as I said California gets. burned every year but we're seeing it in. California we're already introducing. bills in the Senate um drafting Bill. language a lot of Partners bipartisan I. might add you know although I may be. that's great to hear yeah and you. wouldn't believe the as I started. talking about on CNN and Fox news all. over this last week scrambling from the. rooftops about this I've had so many. Democrats come up Say Hey I want to work. with you on this um this isn't a.

partisan issue we need to fix this we. owe this to our people um you know even. Adam Schiff Adam shiff and I probably. don't agree on much of anything but he. was one of the first guys to come up to. me and say hey uh I want to work with. you on this because I represent. California and and they expect a. solution and that was before the LA. fires good for you good for you it' be. great to see some some proactivity in. this country yeah instead of reactivity. I mean we're killing ourselves here are. we're killing ourselves here and uh you.

know it's it's horrible I hate I just. hate seeing all these people displaced. and people dying and and and and it. doesn't seem like much if any relief is. going to them yeah and um well Senator. do we miss anything is there anything. else you want to. cover well um you know I a uh I just. think I think I really think this is a. turning point in America I think this. this fire not not to overstate a. significance but I do think this fire.

will go on in history books like the. Great Chicago Fire like Pearl Harbor. like 911 this will be a turning point. where you know there's those times in. history where the trend line in history. abruptly changes and I think coming off. the election a historic. election this event is kind of. crystallizing a lot of the things that. have been going really wrong in this. country for a long time it's almost a. perverse terrible Shakespearean tragedy. to say on display America look at how.

dumb we've been we've we've taken the. safety and prosperity of our communities. and we put them into the backseat of a. lot of really bad. ideas and those bad ideas we're a free. country you're welcome to have them but. when you implement them and the impacts. of those ideas are so raw and obvious. and bad for people people those are the. consequences and you're going to be held. accountable so I think although this. Wildfire is in California specific to.

Wildfire I think the implications are. going to be broader I think it's going. to help us drive a lot of change I think. it's going to wake people up that we got. to bring Common Sense back we got to. bring Common Sense back to everything we. do our foreign policy we don't have to. be isolationist but we should do what's. right for us in the world stage that's. what every other country in the world. does they make tough decisions that are. good for their people or military great. you know my wife's a marine I love that. we in the military but guess what same. standards combat lethality number one.

priority no question is asked you know. our government agencies before they. worry about you know Green New Deal. initiatives and solving world hunger and. and sending you. know free Aid to the rest of the world. let's make sure our country is strong. and you know what when we want to talk. about America First in isolation is when. when America's strong the rest of the. world strong too you know the rest of. the world needs a strong America and you. know I've been about 94 countries all. over the world and I was in Israel just.

about three weeks ago was proud to be. there with our allies getting a. first-person view of the war on gods and. what's going on and was there when they. went into Syria and uh when when Assad. collapsed it was a historic time to be. there in. Israel they want a strong America they. don't want us weak sending you know. spreading ourselves all over the world. make they want a strong decisive America. so so I think it's a turning point for. our country you know I never thought I'd. be here never once thought of running. for office to be honest with you but uh. it was uh it I saw Cobble fall where you.

and I fought in I saw a lot of things. happen and said you know it's time for a. new generation of leaders to stand up. and and um that's why I'm here so we're. not going to sit in our hands and and uh. and uh you know make YouTube clips every. day we're here to get some work done and. hopefully do a job and go back home to. my family and my Ranch and fly water. bers cuz that that's what I wanted be. doing but uh the nation needs us here. you're doing your dirty your duty here. spreading the word to the American. people and I'm doing mine at DC but for.

you well I know we all have big. aspirations for you so Senator shei. thanks for coming on and uh hope to see. you again and keep up the good fight God. bless let's get her done. [Music]. no matter where you're watching sha Ryan. Show from if you get anything out of.

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