Tim Parlatore - The Fight for Free Speech Against a Foreign Government | SRS #049

hey welcome back everybody as many of. you know we got a cease and desist. letter from the Canadian government. claiming that we had classified. information in the Dallas Alexander. episode we've been working very closely. with the tier one unit over there to. figure out what exactly is classified. we're having a real problem actually. figuring that out. so we brought in our attorney Tim. parlatore. very well-known attorney makes a lot of.

heads turn when he comes around but we. go over the case all the ins and outs. that you want to hear what's classified. what isn't is it straight censorship. is it silencing their own people I don't. know you guys tell me leave us a like. comment. and share this episode with everybody. you know we also talk about why the. leadership and the military across the. globe has turned into a bunch of weak.

spineless. leaders. and how that's uh gonna get resolved as. well so anyways also hip us with a. review on iTunes hit us a review on. Spotify. and guess what Dallas's episode's coming. back soon all right everybody please. welcome Tim parlatory to the Sean Ryan. Show love you all very much cheers. with the censorship from Canada that. we've been dealing with we released an.

episode with Dallas Alexander the. Canadian jtf2 sniper funny thing is. Dallas got fired for not taking the. covet vaccine there's been uh some. concern brought up about the Sean Ryan. Show podcast. you know the video is. it shows these guys out on an operation. it shows them with equipment that you. know you've seen a hundred times on on. the internet before I got hit with a.

cease and desist from Canada. there's a couple of admirals. that I believe her father. scary times were very scary it looks. like we're fighting the government. we're fighting certain individuals. within the government that are not. staying true to their oath that are not. doing what is best. the people of this country. [Music]. Tim parlatore welcome to the show thank.

you man it's an honor to have you here. so just a little bit about you real. quick you are the managing partner of. pelletory law firm firm a. you've been on a number of very high. profile cases the most famous being. Eddie Gallagher's now you represent. Trump for everything January 6 related. and the classified document Fiasco that. we're seeing all over the news right now.

and I'm your latest client with these. with the censorship from Canada that. we've been dealing with and um and I. just want to say thank you for picking. up the call that day. I've been through one legal battle and. it was one of the most stressful times. of my life and um and uh so it's just. it's a real honor to have you back at me. and and uh I think we made some serious. Headway with these people uh absolutely. thank you hopefully this one was less.

stressful yeah. with you on my back it definitely was. but uh everybody gets a gift that comes. on the Sean Ryan show thank you. there you go. ahead ah a little something for the uh. for the flight home cool yeah thank you. you're welcome. so. so this is I just want to kind of go. over exactly what happened with Canada. sure in my opinion.

you know I think this was. I don't think there was anything. classified in there and we'll get we'll. get to the summary of this real quick. but basically we released an episode. with Dallas Alexander the Canadian jtf2. sniper. and which had real footage in it. funny thing is. Dallas got fired. from the unit up there in Canada for not. taking the covet vaccine according to. Dallas and not complying with mass.

mandates. they knew that was coming in part two I. got hit with a cease and desist from. Canada from the unit up there saying. that there was all this classified. information or sensitive information. within the episode they needed to come. down. right off the bat I thought this is this. is straight censorship they're trying to. silence this guy they don't want this. stuff going out. it took me about 24 hours actually less.

than 24 hours I got it on a Friday night. close a business and I slept on it. because I was hot I was really upset and. I slept on it I woke up and I said you. know if there is something classified. that could in this in the in the episode. that could jeopardize the tier one unit. or or compromise any of the Opera the. current operators that are still on the.

ground I was I would just feel horrible. you know if if I release something that. that jeopardized that unit especially. them being an ally unit I've worked with. them in the past. so I pulled it you know. um I wanted to err on the side of. caution. and then I called the Gallagher's huge. thank you to the Gallaghers. um they connected me with you and your. letter back to them was phenomenal but. um I'm just going to read off the. initial so basically how what happened.

is Thursday we got just a regular email. in through the website. and it was here it is good afternoon I'm. reaching out to you today as a. representative the Canadian Special. Operations forces command as we have. become aware of classified information. and imagery that was disclosed on your. recent podcast with Mr Dallas Alexander. we respectfully asked that this podcast. be taken down to prevent further.

dissemination of the information and. video contained within it we would also. appreciate receiving an advanced copy of. the second part of the interview prior. to publication to enable us to make an. assessment as to whether there are any. further violations in it we are. certainly willing to work with you to. help produce edit edited versions of. both podcasts to ensure they do not. contain any classified information. please let me know if you have any. questions or would like to discuss thank. you in advance for your cooperation very. respectfully this person.

so I blew that one off and then and then. we got the official cease and desist in. in the in the email and in the mail and. that's when we got a hold of you so I'm. gonna post those up on screen right now. in the article that has has the whole. situation in there. um. you took that on then all of a sudden. the media just. launched and uh was ever in everything. it was in the New York Post Daily Mail.

UK task and purpose CTV News the Ottawa. Citizen the epoch times the blaze. breitbark world news era sofx and salt. wire and there's probably more I. couldn't keep I lost track and it sounds. like it might be going more so when you. took this what and you actually got a. chance to look at it you know the video. what what was going through your mind. did you think there was anything. classified within the. no I mean you know the video is.

it shows these guys out on an operation. it shows them with equipment that you. know you've seen a hundred times on on. the internet before uh there are. elements of the video that in my opinion. probably were classified at the time. specifically where they were. you know when you go out on an operation. and you you file your plan that is. classified because you don't want the. enemy to know where you're going to be. or where you are.

but years after the fact that is no. longer an issue. so there was nothing about that video. that struck me as you know problematic. but. instead I kind of looked at the letter. that they sent you and obviously as a. lawyer we look at the letters a little. bit differently and kind of you know. slice them up and and figure out okay. what is the actual applicable law and. that's when I started to feel like okay. this is not a legitimate claim.

yeah well you know on top of that. just just to Encompass the entire. situation here. because that's what I thought too I was. like well maybe maybe it's the location. you know but they did a press release. right they did a press release of the. location because they were so happy that. they broke the world record that they. couldn't wait to get the information out. that unit did a press release revealing.

the location of the operators who took. the shot before they were able to leave. the sniper hide that they were in so. they compromised the four Shooters any. other Intel guys that were in that hide. with them and they actually according to. Dallas they actually had to make an. emergency extraction because their. country had compromised their location. right and I didn't remember that. initially and then I was like wait a. minute he says this in the episode and.

then speaking to Dallas he had mentioned. it several times again and now you know. I was like what could possibly be more. classified than revealing the location. of your operators who were still on the. ground right. exactly I mean the the capability of. hitting a target from that distance that. is obviously something that's not. classified because they announced it. and so there really wasn't anything. about that video. that struck me you know sometimes you. have videos where you can see okay if.

there's the you know the Intel or the. crypto guy there and if you can. accidentally see you know the screen on. their little you know iPad or whatever. but there isn't any of that there yeah. they had mentioned. they mentioned a few things that were. classified it was odd too. it was here's another thing that was. really odd was they made it sound like. this was a they made it sound like this. was a major breach of National Security.

you know in the in the cease and desist. and so I emailed them back first thing. Saturday morning. thinking well if this is that big of a. deal this email is definitely going to. be monitored over the weekend right. we didn't hear a damn word until Monday. what Monday late morning yeah and. so that also tells me okay this is not a. matter of National Security this is this.

is [ __ ] and. so do you want to do you want to talk. about our initial conversation sure so. you know when you reached out to me you. explained the situation. um and of course the most important. thing for me is let me read the letter. um you know lawyers we write these scary. letters. um even though they're called cease and. desist or demand letters you know we. often you know because lawyers like to. speak Latin we call them interurorum. letters meaning to terrify somebody.

and as a lawyer I can look at it and say. well this doesn't work quite match up. you know what is the threat if you don't. do this we're going to prosecute you. we're going to sue you we're going to do. you know filing injunction what is the. threat and what are the references to. the law of what you allegedly broke. and what was interesting about this. letter as opposed to any other that I've. dealt with before is that it was all. based on. um not very specific references to.

Canadian law. whereas you're an American. and everything you did was here in the. U.S and therefore governed by U.S law. not Canadian law. and so one of the things that melee. jumped out of me was. the conflict between the Canadian. standard and the U.S standard because. the the idea that a government would. demand a journalists to take something.

down because it's classified that's. something that's been well litigated in. this country it was something that was. brought up during the Vietnam war over. the Pentagon papers and it went all the. way to the Supreme Court and the Supreme. Court said the First Amendment freedom. of the press. trumps any governmental interest in. keeping something classified. so the government can't. sensor the media based on something. allegedly being classified. and.

of course you and I spoke about at the. time that one of the things that they. said in there is that this video is the. property of his majesty the king. that's the wrong thing to say to an. American that's exactly what you said to. me that that you said that's the wrong. thing to say in America and I said well. actually Sean it's even better than that. because your defense to this is. contained within the First Amendment to. the Constitution which is the document. that we wrote after we decided we don't. want to be subject to his majesty the.

king. moms you know it's so. it's funny when you go to law school you. learn all these. Arcane ancient constitutional principles. and you think I'm never actually going. to use that in practice and yet it does. come up where these things you know so. that's when you know I think I told you. all right let me write up a response to. this and. what what I did is I took all of their.

points. and just hit back with. okay. I'm not an expert on Canadian law I. don't know Canadian law much at all. but U.S law applies here and so when you. say this. the Constitution says the opposite. when you say it's intellectual property. our laws say fair use Doctrine allows. you to use it just as any news agency. out there can use these videos that.

depict a historical event. as something to to confirm the story. you know you're not you're not wholesale. taking a long feature film that belongs. to somebody else you're taking a. relatively short clip that confirms the. accuracy of your story. and that's permitted under our. Constitution and under U.S laws and. copyright law. so. really I wanted to push back on them to.

say hey look everything you're. threatening. doesn't scare us. we're not concerned about any of your. threats because legally you don't have. any. but. Sean is very different from a lot of. other journalists because he respects. the operators. he respects this. um what they're doing and that's why he. took it down to make sure that nobody's. going to get hurt. and that's why we're willing to work. with you to make sure that when it goes.

back up. it doesn't compromise any people. or operations. and I wanted to make very clear from. them from the beginning. I don't care. what you say is classified. because legally that means nothing to me. I do care about what you think might. endanger people or operations because. Sean doesn't want to endanger any people. or operations. you know the reality is classification.

it's somebody's opinion about what. whether something will harm National. Security. and it's a big problem in this country. and presumably a lot of other countries. of over classification where. just because something is classified. doesn't mean. that it's actually something that should. be kept secret. you had mentioned something last night. at dinner that you know that really. caught me off guard I mean. I can't it's it's just weird hearing it.

come out of somebody's mouth like like. yourself who's been in this several. different times but the use of. classified information well it's not. classified to cover up an embarrassment. from some type of leadership. correct how often does that happen what. happens a lot. it happens a lot in this country where. we have so many things that are so over. classified. and classification really should be very. narrowly used to to the things that if.

disclosed would damage the National. Security of the country. as opposed to the things that if exposed. would damage the reputation of a certain. senior leader. uh and I'm not speaking of anybody in. particular because this has been. misapplied across the board to a whole. bunch of people. so and sometimes it's just that the. government wants to be able to control. the narrative. you know they don't want you telling the. story of what happened with that sniper.

team. they want to curate that story. they didn't want Matt. to tell the story of what happened when. they killed Bin Laden. they wanted the government curated Zero. Dark 30 version of events. and so oftentimes you have these. classifications that are not really. designed. to protect. to protect the country. is to protect the individuals.

and that's not a proper use of. classification yeah. you think that's definitely what this. was I think that there's an element of. that I mean when we got on the call and. we started talking with the uh with. these guys one of the first things. because we went through the list of all. the things that they wanted and there. was nothing that they told us was. classified that I believe to be actually. classified there were several things. that we agreed you know what in a spirit. of cooperation we'll pull that out first.

names of the other operators that's not. classified but at the same time out of. respect okay we'll move we'll pull those. names. the first thing that they identified do. you remember what it was then the night. vision Bingo night vision. they wanted you to blur out the portion. of the photos that showed what night. vision these operators were wearing. because. the panoramic you know the fourth tube.

and. I immediately knew that that was not. something this classified because they. did the same thing when Matt wrote the. book No Easy Day. and they said you've revealed this. classified piece of gear. that we have these panoramic four tube. knots. but it's not classified. in fact you sent me the link you know. the next day where we could go on L3. Harris's website and buy a pair I mean.

what are those those nods are like 15. years old at least you know in in local. police departments have them and they're. telling us they told us they didn't want. their capabilities right to be out there. and it was man I guess I got to be. honest if you don't have this capability. by now that's. and you're the tier one unit right born. and domestic in Canada. that's. that's pretty embarrassing it is and you. know the concept that we don't want the.

bad guys to know that we can see them at. night that well. with all of the interrelation between. the Canadian and the U.S forces and. anybody else. they may not know which unit's going to. come through their door at night. but I think that they all have a pretty. good idea that there is going to be some. tier one unit that could come through. their door in the middle of the night. and see everything. um.

you know. yeah I found that to be. it it's it's an element of. over classification without serving any. purpose. um that unfortunately. kind of tinged to the uh the rest of our. negotiations because you know the first. thing that they asked for. and we agreed because you know who cares. if you can see the nods or not. um but it did tinge everything else to.

where when they say oh this video. um is classified. okay you mean like the night vision. so. you know there was just there was a. number of things they also brought up. well they brought up the first names. which we believed right and people find. that out on Monday so there's there's. the previous classified. previous classified edit uh that we did. but also.

then we kind of we got into. bullet flight time and there you know. there was actually one specific piece of. gear that I that my entire team was like. that's got to be it and it was the. taccom optic. which they did not mention at all even. Dallas himself was like. maybe that's it you know I don't know. but. um the team heard it because he had. mentioned something in the actual. episode but then I looked it up taccom.

HQ their Instagram everybody should go. check that out right now is sending us. thank yous because they they they were. told it was sensitive and they're like. this is this is huge for us that we can. actually get this out but there they are. you know they have a they have a public. Instagram page with everything on it. yeah and and here they the Canadian unit. is telling us well that's classified. then they told us that that the one.

video where they make entry whoever was. filming that made entry into that room. as they're actually taking the shots. yeah and they're saying they I mean you. had the conversation you know that they. told you all that. equipment was classified correct right. and we did we discussed that because the. reality is if there's something. in that video that you or I don't know. yeah okay maybe there's this there's a. piece of gear sitting on the table and. that that individual piece of gear that.

we don't want anybody to know that we. have. no problem. tell me what it is you don't even tell. me what it actually is just tell me that. thing over there please blur out the. widget on the table. we offered to blur out the widget on the. table. but they couldn't identify any yeah. and then we found an article and and I I. believe it was ballistic magazine yeah. that was I believe I can't remember the.

title of the article but in the in the. paragraph it was something along the. lines of the equipment used in the jtf2s. world record sniper shot attack 50 uh. MacMillan Rifle right what round what. optic what the what the prism opted it. was all right there yeah and so uh my. my team actually found that I fired it. off to you did you send that to him no I. didn't I didn't need to it was I thought.

that was rather interesting too and then. you know it was even for me you know. even for me knowing what it was it's. still and I think this is a a problem. with a lot of different or with a lot of. issues that are going on in the country. today it's so it is so blatant it is. such I mean it is censorship silencing. in your face under the mask of of. classified material and even myself is.

like man what's classified in here what. it's it's so hard to get through my head. that the Free World is censoring their. people that hard yeah. and it was. it's just. and I think that's happening with all. these different problems across the. country across the globe is is it's so. blatantly obvious that it. people can't get it through their head. like. that this is happening the way it is.

you know it's it's something that with. the proliferation of social media and. YouTube and and giving voice to the. people in a way that we never had before. um that the government just doesn't know. how to deal with it you know think about. think about even as bad for as recent as. the 80s when you didn't really have the. internet you had 13 channels on TV. you had newspapers. and that was how information got out.

and so the government had a lot more. control at the time over what got out. how it got out and and they could curate. things better. but now when you have the ability to. disseminate information that much faster. with the internet. the government doesn't know how to keep. up with that and so much of this is. it's not about protecting National. Security Secrets it's about the. government wants to have sole control of.

the narrative. and you know even when we discussed with. the Canadians we'll. hey you guys did the press release. you know how is this an issue you guys. did the press release and you know quite. frankly. I look at that episode with Alice and I. say aside from the coven piece of it the. rest of it is a celebration of how good. the Canadians were it should be a good. story for them.

obviously they don't like the ending the. Dallas. uh told but. it should be something that they. celebrate. but they want to control the narrative. they wanted to control who's. giving the narrative in my opinion. so but in it's the same thing that you. see you know across the board with all. of these types of cases I mentioned yeah. earlier uh who is a client of mine full. disclosure.

and his book about the bin Laden raid. uh he did not go through the proper. pre-publication review. um the publisher asked him not to the. publisher gave him a lawyer who advised. him he didn't have to. and all because the publisher wanted to. rush it into publication before the. re-election. because the administration had put out. you know their Zero Dark Thirty version. of events. and they wanted to have. the counter narrative.

the true story out there also before the. re-election campaign. they went after him they destroyed his. life. because they were angry at him. for questioning their narrative for. putting out a counter narrative for not. asking permission. first even though at the end of the day. they put him through a hell of a. criminal investigation and there was. nothing classified in the book had he.

submitted it for pre-publication review. it would have been the same book that. came out. so. and unfortunately he was given bad. advice which is what gave them you know. the hook. to be able to do that to him. but it all came down to them being angry. at him. for for questioning their narrative. how many other times have you seen this. happen. I've said it a few times you know it's.

it's something that. um. when you embarrass the government. they will come after you. and sometimes it's in the it's in this. case of you know a criminal. investigation. um. you know where let's say that you're. nominated for a government position and. you withdraw. um because you find that oops you know. there's a problem with paying a nanny.

off the books. and you've embarrassed them. so then they sick doj on you. and they go through everything they can. to try and find something to put you in. jail. because you embarrass them. speaking there of course Bernie Carrick. yeah that's what happened to him. he's frequent. it's frequent. what what did he do to embarrass.

the administration I'm just curious. Bernie Carrick was nominated for the. Secretary of Homeland Security and he. withdrew from the nomination when it was. discovered that he had paid a nanny off. the books. um for his kids and didn't pay the. payroll taxes because she wasn't in the. country legally. interesting. interesting. today that probably wouldn't be a. disqualifying thing yeah yeah but but at. the time it was.

wow what do you think. I mean did does still can't so they. literally have zero zero recourse. in getting this video down or coming. after me. um. correct so you are protected under the. Constitution. um The New York Times is actually uh the. ones who fought this all the way to the. Supreme Court several years ago to. establish this precedent that's why you.

know for example when you have. um Snowden giving all those secrets to. Glenn grimwald. the government didn't do anything with. Glenn Greenwald because he was within. his constitutional rights to publish all. of those classified documents. you know Wikileaks is within their. constitutional rights to publish those. classified documents you if this was. classified or certainly within your. rights to publish this.

they didn't go after the publisher on um. case. um. the the Constitution protects you. unless. you signed the NDA. if you're the one who had the security. clearance and you had the non-disclosure. agreement and you violated that. ultimately what they got mad on. the breach of contract. that's it that's it.

that's what they did they got him on a. breach of contract. so uh people who are still on active. duty obviously UCMJ has you know more. heightened uh punishments for it. but here you you don't have a clearance. you didn't get this through the course. of any official government work. so they can't really do anything to you. on that. uh they were pushing a possibility of an.

intellectual property a copyright. violation which you know certainly. you're allowed to use it for fair use. Doctrine. um in a limited capacity. but here's the funny thing. if they wanted to come after you on a. copyright action. I would obviously defend you and I think. we would win. but before they could do it they would. have to take that video first to the U.S. copyright office and register it.

which goes against the idea of it being. classified. so they have to first register with the. United States government that this. Belongs To His Majesty of the king. and then you and I would end up in a U.S. District courtroom getting in a fight. with his majesty of the king. oh man what were some of the other Red. Flags uh that you saw that that made you. think that this was. this was just hey this is just a. cover-up because they don't want to see.

they don't want the fact that Dallas was. fired for not taking the coveted. vaccination you know the timing of it. um you know it was interesting the. um. they moved very quickly to yeah they. moved very slowly to send you a letter. and then once they got my letter. they move very quickly to have a mating. and what was I think you know goes to.

the benefit of The credibility of the. Canadians is that once I had pushed back. on the constitutionality piece. I think that they recognized that and. they said okay let's let's work together. let's and they were. they recognized that we were doing them. courtesy yeah which by the way. not a lot of people would have done what. you did. okay your decision to take that down and. to prioritize the safety of The. Operators over.

um you know over the story and over you. know profits and everything else not a. lot of people would have done that so I. definitely applaud you for that right. there's there's a lot of people out. there. uh you know we've discussed names in the. past I won't say any right now that. would have said. oh you don't like that I fact I put up a. video of dead Green Berets that's okay. yeah my profit means more than the. families.

and somebody does that would obviously. have you know no. uh no interest in even having the. conversation with the Canadians. so. you know that is you know something. you know that speaks to your character. that you wanted to take that down and. put their safety first. but once we've gone through this and. you know we we met with them to see what. their concerns were to see what needed.

to come down for safety of operators and. operations. and when they couldn't identify it. and just said Well we'd like you to take. it down because we don't think that you. should have had it in the first place. okay I appreciate that but we can't. really. can't really work with that you. mentioned another thing last night too. that I thought that that I didn't catch. and that's that their their lead POC. point of contact for us was a public. affairs officer correct.

correct yeah there there was. um there was a Judge Advocate officer. that we spoke to initially but kind of. once we established that there's not a. legal issue here. he kind of moved to the side and then. said the public affairs officer you know. took lead on it. um and you know we're not going to say. his name here but relatively Junior guy. you know Lieutenant Commander. um if this was such a matter of National.

Security. I would have expected that we would have. been talking with. intelligence kernels. not a public affairs you know major or. Lieutenant Commander. very interesting so. which again the fact that you have. public affairs taking lead on this. um. and the fact that we're talking about. allegedly classified material on an open. line with two guys who don't have.

clearances. um. it did kind of further reinforce to me. that you know this is a. um the control of the narrative thing. and and let me be clear the guys that we. spoke to. they were following orders. yeah I don't I I think that they acted. you know courteously and professionally. and in their dealings with us but you. know ultimately they were given orders.

from higher-ups to you know do what you. can to take this thing down. then you know they took it as far as. they could. what do you think. what do you think might happen to Dallas. you know it's. uh hopefully nothing obviously I don't. like to see anybody get in trouble. um. kind of what I do is keep people out of. trouble but you know he they would have. a problem with doing anything to him you.

know they could try to do the same uh. issue with saying that he broke his. non-disclosure agreement. um they could try to say that he. revealed classified information and. again I don't know the Canadian legal. systems I don't know can they recall. them to active duty and Court martial. them or any of those things but. ultimately while there certainly are. differences between the Canadian and the. U.S system when it comes to trials there. are very common principles of evidence.

and I think that they would have. difficulty because they would have. difficulty with you know showing that it. was actually classified or. in a of a nature that damages National. Security. but here's the other thing. is that how would they actually. establish that he's the one that even. gave it to you. unless they had you come in and testify. as a prosecution witness on it.

so I think that there's a lot of chain. of custody and classification issues. that make it difficult but. more so and one of the things I said to. the public affairs officer is. the more you push on this thing. the more you draw attention to it. and there's an element here of. the more you let it alone. the more you allow.

the public to sit there and say. wow you know the Canadian Special Forces. guys they can they have some great. capabilities. and leave it at that. because the more you push the more you. create a circus the more you create. polarization. from a public affairs standpoint. it can end up hurting you more than. helping. Ernest do you think do you think they. will go after them I don't know I you.

know I'm sure that they're going to do. their investigation. if media reports are to believe they're. certainly investigating it uh where is. that going to lead. you know I I don't. where does it lead can they build the. evidence. and what is the appetite. for having that type of problem. so they're definitely investigating them. ultimately you'll be up to the senior.

leadership side. are we angry enough with him. that we want to go through this process. do you. if you were Dallas. right now what would you be doing moving. to the United States that's what I would. be doing. if he doesn't do that what would you do. um well and obviously there are still. extradition treaties and things like. that so. um.

you know he he has the decision to make. um yeah of course I could you know it's. easy to sit here and say move to the. United States but at the same time. obviously there are. um immigration issues you know can he. get a green card to get to move here is. he you know will the U.S allow him to. come air for you know more than just a. visit. um will they allow him to become a. resident. so. I think that you know Dallas.

um. you know he's taking a stand for. something he believes in. uh I think that you know based on your. conversations with him and uh and my. brief interactions with him I think he. knows. what he's doing and he's made a. conscious decision uh that this is more. important to him. uh so. I. the the best thing that Dallas really.

should do right now is to try and find. the Canadian version of me. I have sitting in his corner with him. Roger that well I'm sure he's going to. watch this but um. Tim let's if there was an opportunity. for me to go up to Canada I hear that. they still wear wigs I think that'd be a. lot of fun yeah I've always wanted to. the horsehair wig but. on that now let's let's take a quick. break and uh when we come back I want to. talk about we had a great conversation.

last night on why the military. almost globally seems to be. now we're we're in this spineless weak. woke. era of military leadership and I think. you're right on the money I can't wait. to talk to you after the break on that. hey guys let me tell you about this. subscription service that I've been. working real hard on called vigilance.

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building. to see I was like if there's a sign that. any of that is happening if I see this. going down there I'm killing everybody. on that floor. former jtf2 sniper Canadian sniper tier. one unit and you have the world record. for the longest farthest sniper kill of. all time.

it goes to a special operations unit. wants to put bad people in the dirt the. end of story I mean I remember it being. like just so [ __ ] disturbing but also. like next level Rock From what I wanted. to do. every time we [ __ ] killed someone I. was like that number 200 plus was in my. head I'm like it's 200 plus less that's. going to happen tomorrow we're starting.

today. [Applause]. all right Tim we're back from the break. and we had a fascinating conversation. last night about why the leadership in.

the military has become so weak and. spineless and this is a topic that's. just I've seen it over and over. everybody wants to know why the military. leadership is going the way it is here. in the U.S. now obviously in Canada and and and. likely across the globe we've received a. ton of emails actually from from spec. operators and Germany and Holland and. Australia.

um and it seems like everybody. worldwide is dealing with this with the. exact same scenario here. so I'll let you take it from here. yeah you brought this up last night at. dinner and remember the first question I. asked you was. um when you joined do you remember who. you're saying your leadership was. at the time yes. and how many of them had Vietnam combat. service all of them that's right.

and that's the thing is that if you look. at the Historical cycle of this country. from World War One to the present. Vietnam to 911 was the biggest Gap from. active combat and sustained active. combat that we've had in this country. um you know yes there was Desert Storm. and you know Somalia and things like. that in the interim but. when you join when I joined.

all of our senior leaders the senior. Enlisted the colonels the generals. they were all in Vietnam. you know the command the Marine Corps. was a platoon commander in Vietnam. and the last Vietnam veteran. aged out you know the last comment on. the Marine Corps who was a Vietnam. veteran retired in 2005. so. when 9 11 happens and you know consider.

before that yeah I went to the Naval. Academy I started in 1998 and so while I. was there the lessons that we learned. about how to prepare for combat and. combat leadership they had all the. Vietnam veterans come in and teach us. that because that was the most recent. experience that they could draw upon. and so. you fast forward. inserting around 06. all of those leaders are gone.

and you go all the way up to the present. and all of your general officers today. not through any fault of their own but. for the year of their birth. they were all too senior on 9 11. and so you have this entire generation. of. paper generals. that their junior officer days were. spent during the post-cold war peacetime. they've never carried a rifle on patrol.

and so let alone been in combat right. well I mean they've they've done it in. training they've done it in training. maybe some of them were were in Desert. Storm maybe some of them were in Somalia. and things like that but. if you look at the makeup of the combat. arms today. whether it's Special Operations or. Infantry. your Lieutenant colonels. and you and your commanders in the Navy. side have the most.

combat experience in the officer core of. anybody. because they were the platoon commanders. right after 9 11 when we went into. Afghanistan. and so you have. one two three four star generals that. are looking at their Lieutenant colonels. and saying. that guy has more experience than I do. I have a bunch of you know medals for.

you know making policies and writing. papers. that guy has purple heart. and it's a very weird time. right now in the senior military. leadership and this is something that I. I discussed in my closing argument when. I represented Stu scheller. where your senior leaders are the least. experience look at the seal community. Admiral Grand is the most senior seal. Admiral I believe right now in the Navy. and yet he is the least experienced seal.

officer in the Navy because he was too. senior. so you never got to lead these combat. Patrols. as this current crop of the 911 Junior. officers. starts right now to put on Eagles. as Colonels and and captains and as they. continue to move up into you know the. Admiral and general ranks. I think that you're going to see a bit. of a reversal of this because the.

current leadership just doesn't have. that experience yeah but the next. generation will. if any of them are left. and so many people are leaving the. military they are they are it's it's. unfortunate you know I I sit there hey I. graduated. um from the Naval Academy 2002. we're. the first class to graduate after 9 11. and I look at all of my classmates and.

you know who are now. you know commanding officers of Squadron. instead of ships and you know now. screening for command of aircraft. carriers and you know Battalion command. uh I think one of my classmates was. recently A Team Commander out in. Coronado. and the guys are get and women are. getting out. and a lot of it is because of the. policies of DOD that's forcing them out. and the the increase of the whole zero.

defect mentality where. I've done things recently and I'm not. going to name names here but I've done. recently things that I really didn't. want to do I represented a lot of my. friends. who are related of command. and I hate that. I'm happy to be able to help them but I. hate that I have to do it because we are. trying to take the best officers out. there and get rid of them.

and I think that probably the there are. more targets. on the backs of the o5s right now. than I've ever seen Dan. and it's those that survive. to make the the senior ranks I have hope. that they are going to be the ones. that are going to make things better. you know it's like one of my one of my.

good friends. I always thought you know throughout. this whole time you know what. things are going to be better. the moment that my friend. puts on a star yeah we knew from from. the beginning that this guy is. eventually going to be a general. and I've always held that hope that the. Marine Corps will be better the moment. that they put a star on the shoulder. and instead he reached out to me and. said I've been relieved of command I.

need your help. and what was he related for. holding his Marines accountable. he's relieved for doing what we want our. leaders to do. but. in every one of these cases that I'm. dealing with you have a situation in the. pattern keeps repeating itself where.

they try to hold the junior officers. accountable. to the same standards that we were held. to as Junior officers. and instead. rather than admit. that you can't meet that standard. or raise your performance up to meet. that standard. they choose. to file an IG complaint. and then that creates this whole. investigation in Vendetta where then the.

senior leaders come down. and they say you know what. it's easier to get rid of this guy. than to do the harder right. and and I will say that yeah. I'm in a weird situation with my job. where. everything I see in DOD is unfortunately. the worst of what's going on. but he invites me to the successes I. only get invited to the party when.

things are going badly. and I will I will caveat this to say. that I have seen that the aviation. community. does a lot better at this than the other. communities it's not perfect but I I've. definitely been a lot more impressed. with. um with the senior leadership in the. aviation. side of things. than the others. and part of that may be because. that's the one Community where you have.

flag and general officers who did fly. combat missions interesting because. unlike the SEAL Teams where once you get. above platoon command you're out of the. field. um you know Squadron commanders are. still flying combat missions. so there's there may be an element of. that. in it too. but. um. it's bad. and the morale is bad. and so many people that I sit there and.

say. this should be. who we want. to be the next general or the next. Admiral. they hit 20 and they dropped the papers. and and so many of them. command. you know when I was a junior officer. my Captain. was the greatest and it was like this.

man was born to command a warship mm-hmm. and when he had his chain in command we. were all so sad to see him leave and he. was sad to see to leave. today. 's commanders are even told a successful. command tour is defined by a surviving. all of the IG complaints. and I've had so many of my friends that. have gotten to the end of their command.

tour done the chain of command changing. command and rather than being. disappointed it no longer. being there with their command they're. relieved. damn they're relieved that they survived. you know command of a warship or a. battalion or a squadron should be the. Pinnacle of somebody's life. and now. it's something to be survived.

that is pathetic. bad is pathetic do you. ever since I saw this thief on the. police movement come about you know what. what was that about that 2019 ish good. summer of 2020 is when it really. started hitting went it went rampant and. I had this Theory right off the bat that. this was engineered from way up there. where they wanted to restructure. all of the police departments get the.

old Blood Out bring in the new blood. bring in the yes men who are going to do. anything that that the leader that the. weak leadership tells them. and and and I thought this is going to. carry over to the military then we saw. that we're seeing it right now we saw. with the with the with the coveted. vaccine mandates. they got rid of a ton of wartime. experience a tremendous amount of. wartime experience now we're seeing the.

the new agendas come in and that's and. that's demoralizing. the the few guys that are left they're. leaving I mean who do you think that. this is coming from from way up and. they're they're trying to restructure. the entire. military and police. I mean it's it's definitely. where to we're at a place right now. where we have less. um people that have served. who are serving in.

senior positions. you don't have. I mean think about years ago how many. members of Congress fought in the World. War II. you think about you know. not having served not having gone to. Europe or to the Pacific was a liability. for a political candidate. at a certain point in time.

now. you have very few people. that have served and therefore very few. people that have that understanding and. experience and cultural understanding. of what. of what military and the police do. so I think that there is you know that. factor now one of the things that I that. I enjoy seeing is more veterans that are. now getting elected to congress.

I think the more that on both sides of. the aisle. is a good thing. because the more people that you have. that understand that and understand the. principle of for the good of the country. we come together and work together even. if we have differences of opinion. I think that's going to help to turn the. tide. is it all a conspiracy from the top to. cut all these things down.

I think that there may be an element of. um. influence operations here from our. enemies. yeah certainly you know who benefits the. most from the weakening of the U.S. military. the Chinese correct. Russia correct. and you have the Chinese that are. investing. tons of money into our educational. system. tons of money into this country to try.

and influence things. and. as as our leaders. fight each other. they ignore the external threat. and sometimes don't even recognize that. it's the external threat that is created. being fighting. I believe that too Tim I I am 100 in. line with that and I've been thinking. that's what's going on for a long time.

and. I mean to be honest with you I I don't. think China could do a better job than. they're already doing it dividing and. demoralizing America and its citizens. and our and our allies too Canada I mean. look at and I don't want to get into a. whole discussion about. election fraud and things like that but. if you look at 2016 and 2020. the greatest things that our enemies.

could have done. was not to create fraud in the election. to influence this outcome. to create the appearance of fraud. because if there's an appearance of. fraud in the election. the two sides fight each other. so and it's it's a well-known principle. I mean look read Sun Tzu. this is something that the Chinese have. have followed for hundreds of years that.

if you can use influence operations to. get the enemy to fight with each other. have the enemy defeat itself without. having the fire shot. if we recognize that. then maybe we could focus more on. building this country up. and focus on that external threat. scary times were in very scary.

how long do you think it will be before. the mill our military starts changing if. any of these guys are left in the system. to take take to take leadership because. there is this you know there is the old. saying Hard Men create good times good. good times create weak men weak men. create hard times and the cycle goes on. right and it you can you can see the. cycle throughout our history. from you know from Vietnam you know the.

post Vietnam letdown and all that stuff. and so I do think that things are going. to turn around I'm hopeful. that things will turn around really. within the next five years because. the people. the men and women who you know bore the. brunt of the load after 9 11. they are now. starting to and many of them are putting. on Captain and colonel and we'll be up. for flagon General officer ranks soon.

and I think that they're you know while. there certainly is a retention problem. I think at the same time. good men and women are still there. you know I I was I went to the Pentagon. a couple weeks ago. um for something and walking down the. halls I ran into a couple of guys that I. knew and one guy in particular.

um I won't say his name but I saw him. and I haven't seen this guy in over 20. years. and this was one of those guys that we. knew would have been a phenomenal. officer. but. he was also a guy that you know tended. to get into trouble for certain things. and. everybody figured okay maybe he's gonna. do you know five years and get out. and I saw him wearing Eagles and I. thought. this right here.

seeing him wearing Eagles in the halls. of the Pentagon that gives me more faith. that the Marine Corps in the Marine. Corps future. so there are some phenomenal men and. women that are still coming up the ranks. that have not been you know pushed out. or forced out so I have hope for that. you know and one thing that I like to do. I read a lot of history books and so.

when you read about how bad things were. at so many other periods in our nation's. history. you realize. maybe it's not so bad as much as you. feel like everything's about to fall. apart. um. read read. Alexander Hamilton by Cherno. and in the later chapters where it talks. about a lot of the political infighting. and you sit there and say wow that.

sounds so familiar. and they overcame it. and I think we will again. so I have hope that gives me a lot of. Hope. it probably does because you know I I. always I always try to keep a lot of. Hope and I try to remain positive and. that we're going to come out of this but. to be honest with you until that. conversation last night I've been really. reaching for something to grasp on to. just seeing where this goes and and this.

last thing with Canada even though it's. technically not our country but. the same shit's happening in our country. you know it's almost it's almost. I mean it's almost a blessing that it. happened cross-border right because it. it unveiled so much uh about how they're. censoring how they're trying to silence. their people right and I you know I see. I shouldn't be reading the comments but. I do read the comments sometimes and I. see you know I see a lot of comments.

sort of like I kind of written those. years ago screw Canada and and it's not. it's not the Canadian people it's the. Canadian government and the leadership. and it's not the jtf2 unit it's the. leadership in the jtf unit and it's. individuals. it's individuals this is something that. I that I always keep in my mind when. when I'm fighting cases and you know and.

a client will say you know we're. fighting against the Navy we're fighting. against the Marine Corps. and I have to stop and say no no okay I. am not attacking the Marine Corps. I'm attacking some very specific Marine. Corps generals. who are making bad decisions. we're not attacking them right we're. attacking some certain Marine Corps. prosecutors. I'm not attacking the Navy. there's a couple of admirals.

that I believe are fault there there's. NCIS agents that are at fault the. institution itself is not something you. know the government. I'm not fighting the it looks like we're. fighting the government but we're not. we're fighting certain individuals. within the government that are not. staying true to their oath and are not. doing what is best for the people of. this country. and not doing what is required by the. Constitution and so we fight those.

individuals. and so as much as it as much as it looks. like I'm out there fighting with the. Navy and the Marine Corps and doj and. everything else. in a lot of ways. I feel like I'm fighting for it. you know I when I when I stood up there. you know with Eddie Gallagher. yes I was fighting the Navy on behalf of. one seal. but the reality is at least the way I. looked at it I was fighting the.

corruption of certain individuals. on behalf of all of Eddie's teammates. it's a very logical perspective. you know if if you think of it as this. monolith. then it can't change. but if you think of it as individuals. they can be replaced. interesting. what's a great way to put it.

well Tim. on that note. I think uh this is a good. a good spot to end it. um I do want to just say that that after. after what you just said that my. intentions were never to embarrass or. bring light to jtf2 in any negative. aspect those like I said I've worked. with those operators several years ago. some of them are still over there and it.

is a phenomenal group to work with the. only in in in and thank you for the. compliment earlier I did I wanted. everybody's best interest one of the. best interests of The Operators over. there one of the best interests of. Dallas. and um thank you for jumping in and. saving my ass and of course and uh and. the and the other thing is that I want. to get out is you know there's I think. there's a lot of kids and and young. adults whose aspirations are to go to a.

unit like that and I don't want to. demoralize the future of these units. because they're extremely important they. have great culture in them and I just. want them to know that yep we're going. through a transition right now but weak. leadership is always replaced with. strong leadership and and so I anybody. that's looking to go into a unit that. unit or any unit you know. know that. these things will never improve unless.

good people go in. and I remember. right after the acquittal. um Freddie the first interview that that. he did and I I sat with him. and I remember he was asked you know. does this change you know do you regret. joining the Navy. or becoming a seal. and I remember his answer just it really. struck me where he said he didn't regret. it for a second. and you know a day earlier they were.

trying to put him in jail for life. and he says he doesn't regret it for a. second and he would advise other people. to do it because while these certain. individuals did the wrong thing the. reality is. the team's military was the greatest. thing in his life. and he would absolutely recommend it to. other people. you know I if my child grows up and. decides to join the Navy.

it'll be the proudest day of my lifetail. you know and it's it's what we need is. more good people to go in and do the. right thing. 100 and good people standing up to this. tyranny you know this BS from these. governments but but man what a you know. I'm just I'm I'm extremely proud of what. we did we. we have uncovered. what it's like we've uncovered real.

censorship we heard about it all the. time and this is it this is exactly what. they're doing they're masking it with. classified documents and and you know I. just I think we won. by unveiling that and I think we it was. a big win for freedom of speech and uh I. like I said thank you for being there of. course thank you for taking the case I. really appreciate it and ma'am what an. honor to know you well what an honor to. uh to be trusted by you you know that's.

that's one of the greatest things for me. is when people call me to ask me to do. these things. that they are entrusting me to look out. for their best interests and to and to. protect them. you know that's that that means a lot to. me so I I thank you for that my pleasure. seriously so all right um best of luck. to you all your contact information. links everything will be in the. description so if anybody's in trouble. and he's the best of the best.

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