Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations | SRS #154

[Music]. skip Atwater welcome to the show thank. you very much I have heard a lot about. you uh from several of the previous. guests I've read about you I've seen. documentaries about you you're a hard. man to reach been been uh trying to make. contact for quite a while and uh Joe and. scooter finally uh they were were the.

ones that made the connection so uh I. just want to say thank you to Joe and. and scooter I'm glad to be here it's an. honor to have you here but um but. everybody gets an introduction here so. we'll knock that out. first Frederick Holmes skip Atwater you. were a counter spy during the Cold War. era where you used your natural psychic. aptitude as a US Army Counter. Intelligence special agent you played a. key role in the remote viewing.

intelligence program now known to the. World by the code name Stargate for 10. years you were the operations and. training officer of this secret reme. remote viewing program you recruited and. trained an elite Cadre of professional. Intelligence Officers to do remote. viewing for the Department of Defense. and various members of the National. Intelligence. Community after retiring from the Army. he became president of the Monroe. Institute in Virginia in your book.

project. 8200 UFO UAP bases and activities the. original remote viewing transcripts you. show us the results of Pat Price's. famous exploration of four mountains. around the world where price believed. UFO bases were located you're the author. of captain of my ship master of my soul. living with guidance you have been. featured in several film documentaries. including ghosts in the afterlife a.

scientific investigation and third eyye. spies sure I'm missing quite a bit there. but uh that's quite that's a big pile. that's what you're got that is that is. that is but um you know I'm. just I have. been fascinated with this subject uh for. many years now and with every person. that I interview it I just get more. intrigued and um you have been involved.

in this almost since the very beginning. from what I understand and so some of. the things that I would just I would. like two main things I would like to do. in this interview is one to cover um. your life story and how you kind of got. involved in this and I would also like. to um go over you know the the history. of the Stargate program and kind of how. how it came on the map for for United. States.

intelligence yes talk perfect I can talk. about all that perfect but um so but. before we get uh two in the weeds uh I. have a patreon account patreon it's a. subscription account there are top uh. supporters a lot of these um folks have. been with us since the very beginning. and um they're the reason I get to sit. here and and and you're here as well and.

so one of the things I do is I offer. them the opportunity to ask every guest. a question and so this question is from. Jay what neurological structures in the. brain are responsible for these Altered. States Of Consciousness is it simply. dreaming that is an interesting question. because we've been thinking about the. brain for a long time and the brain is. this and the brain is that and it used. to be thought of hundreds of years ago.

of that's just to keep your head warm. they don't know what the brain is and. what's going on up there but it's. something that you know over the past 50. 100 years has. become the answer to everything if it's. this is oh it's in the brain you have to. fix this part of the brain right here. that's what's wrong with it and so him. asking this question is a reasonable one. given the education we have now.

I'm not so sure that 50 years from now. that will be much of a question because. it seems that all these things that. people do whether it's remote viewing or. whatever they call it seems to have. something to do with Quantum. non-locality or the everywhere every. when of all information what was the. what did you call it first the quantum. Quantum. non-locality uh is a technical for it.

but they had to invent that 60 years ago. because they didn't know what was going. on there's lots of science on saying. that um there's no space and there's no. time and. these people will just call them remote. viewers because it's a good thing to use. as a name not that I like that so much. but that's okay everybody calls a remote. viewing um what do you call it.

I attempt to list out several different. things um are you psychic is that the. word that one should use it's it's a. word that people toss around a lot are. you Clairvoyant are those words that you. toss and pass around but engos Swan kind. of coined the word remote viewing. because when he went to work with. Stanford Research Institute they didn't. want to say well we're training psychics.

here and no let's just call it you know. remote viewing that would probably be. better. which I've gotten sidetracked in talking. a lot here but it's not really remote. viewing. because there's nothing that's. remote everything is all one thing. that's the quantum. non-locality so these people that are. doing the remote viewing.

have the ability to perceive everywhere. and every when and some of them decide. to call it this and call it that and. call it this but it looks an awful lot. at least for the next 50 years to be. Quantum. non-locality and I I limit that 50-year. thing. because each unit of time like there is. no time right each unit time we go. through suddenly.

things are different I mean wasn't the. earth flat at one time and wasn't. everything orbiting around us no it's us. going around the Sun hm that's an. interesting idea and those kinds of. large breakthroughs in. science takes a while for us to figure. them. out and generations to figure them out. so I can only think that maybe in the. future Generations it won't be what we.

think it is now makes a lot of sense. makes a lot of. sense so back to the original. question so it's not a. dream well then we've defined something. called a dream and by using the word. dream um we all tell ourselves oh that. wasn't really real it was just a. dream perhaps it's a different kind of.

knowing and it's coded when you have a. dream about this this and this so you. know what that really was is how. important things. are to me when I think about this and I. had a dream about it and it reminded me. when this happened and that happened I. don't think there's anybody who really. knows what a dream is except that they. go oh it's just a dream don't worry. about. it so you do you. this is interesting do you and I know.

this is going to tie into your childhood. too I think but um do you think that. every dream needs to be deciphered and. dissected and. decoded if you mean just tell my wife. what my dream was I yeah I think that's. a good thing to talk about no I don't. think that it's a thing to be decoded. and figured out and you should go see. your psychiatrist and say I I need help. understanding this dream I don't think.

that um it's a matter of obviously there. are people who have real problems with. that and they should see the proper help. things but it's not it's just it's a. passing thing you know when you talk. what was I'm sorry what was the. terminology again Quantum Quantum. non-locality Quantum non-locality so. that comes from quantum physics which is. a brand new thing only 60 years old and.

making it. simpler there's no space no time. everything is everywhere every went. and I want to go too far on this people. turn the channel off so that guy's oh no. they're not going to turn the channel. off cuz I cuz re reason I'm asking is I. don't I've tried to talk about this so. many times and it's just over my head. and so when we say there's no space in. no time and everything's happening all.

at once in the now correct yes what does. that mean so what was. yesterday if there's no space no time. there's no yesterday but it it's past. there's no past and no future because. it's all happening at. once what but. how because that's the way it is it's a. very interesting thing to ask those. questions. because many many many different.

people thousands millions of people and. different cultures have come along and. tried to answer all those questions so I. think what that means is that's the. right question the fact that they can't. answer it but in what I've been doing. for a number of years says that this. information we get can only have come to. this. person one way and that's the fact that.

they know this. because they didn't read it in a book. they know this because they didn't get a. phone call saying you ought to watch out. for this they got a message from Beyond. Space and. Time and came up with some information. that proved to be. true so if everything's happening all at. once all the time and there is no. there is no.

time I then that means. every you could break it down into you. could break a millisecond down into a. what a nanc and break that down and it. just continuously it never ends you can. just keep dissecting and so does that. mean where is all this happening all at. once that means everything's happening. all at once so that means what I just.

said two seconds ago is happening again. correct there's no again if it's all at. once help me understand this I just. thought of a joke in my head when you. were talking it was like you know he's. trying a second chance and I sniff the. word. second yeah um I would glad to be of. help but I am as confused about it too.

except. for things happen in my life and other. people too that say it's funny you. brought that up because I was just. thinking about that too and do you think. that means this and this and it's like. well how could you have thought about it. yesterday morning and I think about it 2. days later and it's the same thing. doesn't that mean there's a little hint.

that we are all. one. together and I use a gesture that you. might want to cut out but I always. say. God I don't yes God is a religious word. and it.

we're getting off track here but it's in. my head so there is I saw. um interesting street scene done with uh. Muslims and guy was driving up in a taxi. or a car and all the little kids came. around and said givee givee givee givee. give me give me and the guy got out of. the car and went like. that and they walked away. from just everything that comes to.

you comes from what we believe. in not by me giving you quarters or. whatever out the. window and it was an. interesting in the movie it was an. interesting lesson he was teaching those. kids they're used to trying to find. something to eat and run down the street. and Trace anybody that looks a foreigner. or whoever to give them some money and. make their life better and this guy got. out out and he just went like that and.

all the kids are. like interesting so if no time so. I I'm trying to understand the concept. of No Time everything's happening at. once but what is the space when you say. there's no. space what does that mean well. we if in my mind if I back up hundreds. of years and watch the way people have. organized what they thought was space. like we talked about a minute ago in.

terms of um the Earth is the center of. everything MH and everything El goes. around the earth and then you think well. no look at we've measured out over the. years and we found out that not. everything is a center of the earth as a. matter of fact if you look there's. things out there they're really strange. and there's a bunch of things out there. and we're calling those planets. well how do you know it's doing that. well it took a long time for guys to.

figure it out and watch it. happen. so we are beginning to think now that. this thing we call space. is infinite there isn't a place where. well when do we stop having planets and. Suns and stars and it's a good question. because some of them say.

everything was supposed to collapse back. in billion years from now and start all. over again with a big bang and then time. went by and the scientist looked out and. said all of those things aren't coming. back they just keep going further and. further and further away. until as time passes like there really. is time um.

it will be so far away we can't see it. anymore well then are we alone in the. universe where what's space all. about that's interesting so is because. the universe is expanding yes so we will. hit a and they can see the beginning. they can see the Big Bang from what I. understand supposedly. correct they happened however many you.

know and so and I will challenge that. statement not that it's a big deal yes. the Big Bang is the. thing. well how much longer how will that stick. will that always be that's the way it is. or 100 years from now 200 500 years from. now they will say you know that big bang. thing just doesn't work yeah yeah no I. mean Pluto is no longer a planet lots of. things change but um but um I'm just.

always fascinated in the subject I'm. trying to wrap my head around it and I I. don't I just don't have the IQ level to. comprehend it well no I think you're the. one that's supposed to ask those. questions and share those answers with. the world around you that's who you. are while we may have won this election. the fight to restore a great nation has. just begun now is the time to take a.

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thank. you well skip let's get into your story. real quick before we do everybody gets a. everybody gets a gift here oh yeah. nothing crazy just a little something. for the ride. home those are uh vigilance lead gummy. bears oh boy yeah to hope you like candy. treat yeah made here in the USA. Michigan but thank you I will bring that.

home to my family and I'll say really oh. those look really good right on right. on well skip like I had mentioned at the. beginning you're a you're a massive part. played a massive role in the Stargate. program and and remote viewing and and. and and in US intelligence and so I want. to talk about your journey on on how. that all came about and so let's kind of.

start with let's start in childhood. where did you grow up I grew up in. Southern California uh and my dad was a. dentist and my mother's father was a. dentist so the family business was. dentistry for. them and um there were a couple of kind. of childhood things that were. interesting to me because.

they seemed normal to me because they. were happening in the family and then as. I got older I would say well you know I. got kind of a weird family. and it was it sounds like I didn't like. them because they were weird it was more. of a casual comment uh about that my mom. used. to talk to um animals that died a cat or. a dog or everything and they tell us. kids and but they're fine I talk to.

them and they're going to be okay and so. forth and I was like okay Mom I'm going. to school. um and um I guess one of the stories is. a interesting bed wedding story when I. was 10 or a little bit younger than 10. uh I was still wetting my bed but uh I. wasn't teased about it it was just a. thing that um I had to pull pull the. sheets off the bed and run them through.

the washer and then make the bed again. and it was but it wasn't teasing or. anything else of course I felt a little. of that at school that people would talk. about. that and one night I um woke up in bed. and the bed was all wet and I was. screaming and mad at what had happened. because there was no reason for this it. was an embarrassing thing for me two. older sisters and school kids talking.

about it so my mother came in are you. all right you fell out of bed did you. get hurt why why are you screaming. what's it all about and I said I went. into the bathroom and I sat on the. toilet and when I began to pee I woke up. here in. bed and now my bed's all wet and you. know very angry. very really outspoken about.

it there's a joke in the end it really. pissed me. off at any rate my mom put her arm. around me and she said oh it's okay it's. okay it it'll be okay and I was like why. are you so cool about I didn't say. anything she says you. know sometimes you're in your body and. sometimes you're not in your body and. I'm like so when you go into the. bathroom you have to make really sure.

that you went to the. [Music]. bathroom because it's obvious you. didn't and we go back to the discussion. of Dreams maybe you dreamed you went. into the. bathroom and you. didn't and you peed your bed. again well that left a idea in my head.

as the days rolled by and the weeks. rolled by it was like what did she mean. by you're not in your body and so I. would kind of practice at night and. found that I could get up and look out. the window and then look back and I was. in bed and I said that's pretty weird. and as time went on I would jump out the. window and. I'd my out of body state would jump out. the window and I learned to trust.

that so when you say let's rewind for. just a second when you say you would get. out of bed and look out the window and. then you would look back and you would. be in. bed I mean did they how how old were you. when this started happening right around. 10 it would be over 10 so maybe in the. next year or two those things started to. happen do you remember the first time. that happened yes what were you thinking.

made an impression well I want to go out. and play with my friends um I found the. first thing that I ran into when I'd go. away from my sleeping South in bed um. that I was in some sort of school. situation like night school or something. I was in something called night school. um but then when I got a little bit. older I started going. find my friends where's Mikey down the.

road well hey why if I go over here and. find this and and they were out of their. bodies too although they didn't realize. it like I did and so that became part. of my life growing up so does that mean. when you interact with somebody in a. dream you believe they are also out of. body. I can't answer that question I can only.

say what my experience was and the. question is are they out of body and I'm. I'm not so sure that we use the term out. of body it's happens in the hospitals. and dying events and everything else and. so we've. classif codified that is oh you were out. of your body and then I say wait a. minute skip wait wait a minute you're. everywhere every.

when there's not a being in the body. you're being out of the. body so I had to just well maybe I. shouldn't talk so much because I don't. know what the heck's going on anyway so. um the next thing that. was kind of like. that telling the story of the weird. family I grew up with which contributes. to my eventual. career when I was.

older and was into you know high school. and cars and stuff like that I got a. car from my dad's nurse she gave me a. car and I crawled underneath and started. taking it apart and everything my dad. was really liberal it was okay if I took. stuff apart and the garage got dirty and. he'd look under the car and say how you. doing down there you making any progress.

and he very. much and let me find out for myself and. let me figure it out for. myself and. um got that taken care of and then later. I bought my uncle's car for $100 a 54. Ford and immediately I went to the other. Uncle who gave me a. 292 engine which I had punched out. 60,000 with a racing cam in it and so. forth and so.

on but there was something else going. on I could look at the car laying. underneath it and look at it and say oh. I see what's wrong the the exhaust pipe. bracket is loose and it wasn't something. that I could see physically it was like. I could see through. it and later in life I learned they had.

a name for that called remote viewing. and I was like well that's pretty weird. I guess when you go to a mechanic to get. your car fixed that's why a mechanics. know what's wrong with your car because. they can do that just like I was doing. with my car later I found out that isn't. what they were doing but wow it was an. that's part of this development thing. that's happening in my weird family. again that. does it and I one more short story um.

when I was going to elementary. school um my mom sometimes to pick me up. from school we were she drove a. oldmobile station. wagon that had the fake wood on the. sides and the little Hood over the top. of the windshield and she picked me up. on this side of the street over. here and then she'd look up and down and. then she'd throw big UI to turn around. and go up to where our house was well.

one day uh when she turned the UI the. door swung open and I went floating out. and she turned at me and looked at. me and I floated back. in and then I reached over and got the. door and closed it and she said you're. always going to have to close that you. know cuz you can open up anytime you. want.

and we didn't talk about it later I. didn't say what was that floaty thing. all about how did how did you do that. and it was like that wasn't up for. discussion it just things happened wow. so that's the weird family I grew up in. and when it came time. to get draft. I'd gone to college and everything and.

then finally I got out of college and. got jobs and I want to just go make a. career out of it and so forth and so on. [Music]. until that came what's the expression. that comes through and they said. greetings you are classified 1A and we. have a draft and so forth and so on and. the minute that happened when I was. going around to different department. stores looking for jobs they said and so. what's your draft status oh they just. got me in 1A here and he said well we.

can't hire you and I said what do you. mean you can't hire me says well if you. get a job here and say you work up a. little bit in management you become. a cashier and then you become a section. of the store manager and then you. finally become the assistant store. manager and you get. drafted they have to keep that position. position open for you you have to be.

able to walk out of the army afterwards. and go into that same position even if. you're in the Army three years or. whatever so we don't hire people that. are one. a and I said well I know how to. straighten that out I walked down street. and found the recruiter and I said I. have to join the Army because I have to. get rid of this thing hanging over my. head I'm never going to get anywhere if. I don't get rid of this thing and he. says well what do you want to do and I.

said well I don't know what's there to. do and he said well look at those. brochures over there and spend some time. looking that see if you see something. there that you'd really like to do and. so I went over and looked at the. brochures and I saw this one blue one a. trifold blue one and it said Army. intelligence and I said what about this. one this looks really interesting oh I'm. sorry but I can't interview you about. that that's not what I do here in the. recruiter's office I said but this looks.

really interesting to me you I have some. college behind me and speak Spanish and. so forth and I what do you mean you. can't talk to me she. say he said if you really want to know. about that I have to make an appointment. for you down in Los Angeles to see some. agents down there because they're the. ones that have to decide whether they. can accept you what was the brochure it. was it was just a trifold brochure that.

said military intelligence and it was. blue on the outside and I open and read. it and that sounded better than being a. medic or being a Rifleman and getting. shot or anything so I said well let me. go talk to. them what this is all about. is in my book it says living with. guidance. and we Define guidance there seems to be.

something moving me through my life that. I'm not entirely aware of it's just like. oh okay that looks okay now at my. age I say. oh that's what that was um anyway I got. into Military Intelligence well what was. it what was Military Intelligence no. what was the thing I'm sorry I didn't I. lost what was the thing guiding you.

through life. oh. God if you use the word God yeah what do. you use personally you just use a hands. motion no but I I only remember that and. my wife share it back and forth because. we know where it comes from it means we. are all one we are all there already. ready and we.

have souls there that help us and souls. that can split themselves and go help. other people and they can be here and. still helping you over. there we are the. Oneness. okay so I went off to. school uh and my mom is always told me. you're going to be okay but I don't want.

to go to Vietnam and and you're all. going to be okay and so I go through the. school learn how to interview people and. be a Counter Intelligence agent so forth. and so on and you like that I say so. forth and so on just to fill in the. blank there um and there's another one. this that and the other thing. you um so when it came down and the. assignments in the classes were they. were graduating people in classes out of. there trying to make a lot of Counter.

Intelligence. people every other class went to Vietnam. and then the next class went everywhere. else Europe around the US and so for and. so on but it was it was something to. worry about as you were coming up to. graduation. and I got sent to another strange place. called. Alabama so my first. assignment. was isn't this.

interesting and my mom used to say. somebody's always going to take care of. you yeah Mom whatever you say and I went. to Alabama. and I know 6 months later Vietnam was. over with and that began what am I going. to do now well as. a Corporal or a sergeant by then I guess. every now and then I got the duty of the.

teletype they didn't have other things. besides teletypes at that time and so. they'd call me over the headquarters. building and say okay this is your week. on the teletype and learn how to use it. and everything everybody here does that. so we all know how to use it but what. that meant is I got invitations to how. would you like to go to Language School. how would you like to go to um tactical. school and learn how to bug things how. would you like to do this and I would.

take the ribbon out of the teletype and. say we have a volunteer for that right. now and so that's how I. created making all of those particular. things for me and went to language. school and so forth and so on went down. and spend some time in. Panama. but let's rewind real quick yes so it. sounds like your mom had some type of. ability as well yes did your.

father Yes but it was much more subtle. my dad was a quiet guy uh and he was. subtle but he was tuned in to what was. going on. um he was raised. as in the religion where they don't. believe about going to. doctors uh I don't remember remember. what the name of that is right now but.

the when he had a broken shoulder bone. his mom tied a red ribbon around it and. that was supposed to heal it up and and. yet he became a dentist but they didn't. call that a doctor I mean that's a. dentist for good sake that's not a. doctor um so he was very gentle about. things. um but he was aware I was very sensitive. with him and I I think part of one of. those things as I said um he always.

encouraged me to try things out and he. let me paint a car in the garage and all. I did was hang up sheets all around it. and I painted the car and he said how. did it turn out and I said oh it's. pretty good the painted uncle's car blue. no I had a 40 Chevy and I sprayed. it taxi yellow and WR taxi on the side. of it and they didn't like that driving.

around Glendale California and finally a. cop came by and he said we want to talk. to you about your car and the word taxi. on the. side I said yeah what's wrong with that. and he said there is no law that says. you can't do that there's no problem. with. it however all the people that are in. the taxi business can't stand it because. they think it downgrades their feelings. about their own. car and I said okay I don't have a.

problem with that MH so took taxi off. the side and I think I sold the car for. $75 to somebody or something so. nice did you have brothers and sisters. two older sisters yes what about. them they were. girls they weren't as tuned in as I was. to this whole thing. but they certainly understood it and as.

we got. older. um we talk about these things they're. both dead and we talk about these things. and them going through their deaths and. I was there with them and so forth and. so on and. they respected is that an expression. they respected me down they knew. something was different about me it was. four years to one sister and another. four years to the other sister and so I. was the youngest of the.

family but as we all grew older as. people there was a different arrangement. of um the kinds of things skip did and. the kinds of things Sunny did and the. kind of things that Sue did and so forth. and so on but yeah they were. different what was different what was. different they like chasing boys and. okay. um ditching school and getting in.

trouble for it and did you ever hear any. conversations between your parents. about some of these. abilities no. um there's a sidebar to that when I got. out of um OCS and was on my way to go to. the Pentagon um. because I told somebody I wanted to do.

stuff with remote viewing because I. thought it was a threat he said we we'll. assign you to the Pentagon and. we'll you go find it as a lieutenant. you'll be somebody in the Pentagon. that's on the night security voice and. you have the access to everything and. make sure people lock doors and don't. leave classifi documents out and so. forth I never actually made it there. because. somebody intervened and.

um but the story. about did your parents ever ask you. about. things when I told my parents I was. moving out to the East and I would be in. and around Washington and so forth and. so on and in the Pentagon and so forth. and she said oh well if you're moving. out east you should look up Bob Monroe. and first of all I didn't know what a. bob Monroe was I had no idea and so my.

thinking in my head. was do you know why millions of people. are on the East Coast I don't know. somebody named Bob. Monroe and what is she talking about. anyway and so I'm nodding to my mom yeah. sounds like an interesting. idea who was this guy I didn't. know so I drive out out there and just. before I left Fort wuk Arizona which is.

where I was teaching at the. time um got a call. from up at Fort me and inscom had just. moved half of their outfit to Fort me. and the assignments officer called me up. and said we're changing your orders of. going to the Pentagon and I'm like man. this guy arranged for me to go to the. Pentagon so he could help me find out. about remote viewing and now these.

orders have been. changed. and well I guess I'll just have to. forget about all that stuff called. remote viewing and what I wanted to do. and help the intelligence community and. so forth and so on and so I got. reassigned up to Fort me and. went Behind the Green Door as they say. is real quick before we get into Fort me. how did you find out about remote.

viewing through the Army thank you side. of Army intelligence thank. you I was teaching um at Fort wuka. Arizona and a friend of mine Rob coward. and I found uh put off's. book mind reach where they published all. of their remote viewing study. as much as the CIA would let them.

publish um that and I got a hold of that. book and Rob and I would look at it look. what they say in here about. this what both of us were Counter. Intelligence Specialists and doing. inspections in different countries and. so forth and so on we don't check for. this we don't see if anybody is remote. viewing our army. units. ding something happened and so I went to. the colonel down there just before I.

went to OCS and he said well you keep. your nose clean you come on back here s. Atwater I'll see if I can get you any. assignment you want you when you come. back here as a lieutenant you be ready. to tell me what you want to. do and. so. meanwhile months. ago Rob coward and I were talking about. this book from put off and he said that. you know we were.

like we're Counter Intelligence. Specialists and we're not doing anything. about this you know we're not climbing. in people's addicts or whatever we. do so when I got back as a lieutenant um. I went into Colonel's office and he said. well Lieutenant you're coming to me to. tell me where you want to get assigned. and I saidwell sir it's a little bit. different than that and he saidwell. what's that I said there's a book here.

by some scientists called Mind reach uh. out at Stanford Research. Institute and they're studying something. called remote viewing and he said well. what's that I said that's why I'm. bringing you this book. sir I think this is very dangerous and a. threat to The Counter Intelligence work. we do and he saidwell leave the book. with me lieutenant and come on back. tomorrow and we'll talk about this came. back tomorrow and he said Lieutenant I. think you're.

right and that's when he reassigned me. to the Pentagon which I never got. to um so that's the beginning of it of. how I got into remote viewing started. back at Fort wuka with Rob coward. deciding this isn't right there should. be we should be doing something this is. our job to watch. this and then things switch back and. forth from. the idea of not getting to the Pentagon.

that wasn't the place I should be. Arrangements were made and wound up at. Fort. me Behind the Green. Door and I was. given a. room Behind the Green Door after I. passed on my security clearances and. everything and dug through the safes in. the room and I reached down to this one. picked it up those there's three. classified documents on remote.

[Music]. viewing wait a minute I thought all this. remote viewing stuff was done since I. didn't go to the Pentagon like it was. planned that I was going to go do that. what is this stuff anyway so I read. through. it and major Keenan my boss then was. down the hallway and I came out and said. what is it Lieutenant I was I wasn't the. regular ten it cuz I've been in the Army. 10 years as a enlisted man so they had a.

little more respect for. me. um and I took these in I said sir I. found these three documents here uh and. there all about remote viewing and he. said oh yeah lieutenant colonel scotsco. was over there and he was very. interested in that General Thompson was. the one that was looking after that what. was that all about um and general.

Thompson in this story becomes Major. General Thompson later and there's a. term. in the military called getting a. grandfather meaning there's somebody. who's going to take care of you make. sure you do the right thing turns out. General Thompson was my grandfather. because Keenan major Keenan who I went. to with these documents General. Thompson and he said I've got a guy in.

here that knows about this what's his. name Atwater he said you let Outwater do. whatever he wants to do and I didn't. know that was happening interesting but. I knew General. Thompson knew kit Green in the. CIA and they'd been working together and. he knew all about this stuff that the. CIA was doing so General Thompson had. his finger on me. through major Keenan and he said well.

what should we do about this well we. should recruit some people to do. this and how you going to do that. Lieutenant I said well I think we ought. to interview some people that have. security. clearances so that they can do the kind. of work we do at looking at The Counter. Intelligence. problem that was the. beginning before it was called Stargate. that was the beginning. of doing this and working through this.

situation to get these people trained. wow very interesting so how did you how. did you. guys how where did you start been a lot. of people have security clearances. there's a lot of people in the. intelligence. World. sounds it sounds out there it is what it. is yes. um first what we decided to do my.

south major Keenan got another officer. in and was going to be my boss because I. was just a lieutenant and we needed. somebody that was a lieutenant colonel. to do. this and someone who'd been around in. scum so that he could go talk to anybody. he wanted and had lots of clearances and. stuff and so he was going to be my boss. and I was going to be the remote viewing.

expert which I had to invent but that's. okay. um and we decided that we should survey. the people around the greater Washington. DC area that are were in inscom and they. had we thought well they have to be. assignable they're um they can't be. there's a lot of people in the army that. I need to get do this job now so I can. get promoted then and I need to do that. job here and we need to do that job. there and they build up a career pattern.

of jobs that they have to work up. promotion we had to find somebody that. didn't think that way. that so. we looked at a pool of about 200 people. around the greater Washington DC area. that were army people and civilians male. female and we took news paper clippings. uh that talked about people who had a.

near-death experience and people who had. this happen to. them newspaper type reporting of psychic. stuff and we'd take it to him and say. um the boss has asked us to come around. and see whether or not people. would think some of these people could. help us and the army some way if they. can do what they say maybe they could. help us in the Army some way.

and we would both ask questions my major. and my. S that time just a lieutenant and we. would this one would ask and then this. one would ask and we'd see if they would. agree and then we would say well let's. talk to them a little bit further. and then when we finished that.

process we told SRI what we're doing and. they made an arrangement to do. a exposure of these people and we were. going to pick three people and I tried. to use the word to train he said oh no. no no no no we don't train people we. evaluate people but we don't train. people h. okay don't use the word train when you. talk.

to Stanford Research Institute that's. what I learned as a little lieutenant. and so I said so for our orientation we. want to do three people and and. meanwhile we recruited these people by. the method I told you of showing them. the newspapers and some of them weren't. the right people mhm and when we told. them we had six people selected that.

um no it was like six or eight at that. time that we brought in uh they didn't. all stay they said well I thought I. wanted to do this. but my wife wants to move and I can't do. it so forth and so. on put off and tar heard about it and. they said well we want to interview them. we don't want you to select which ones. we want to do the interview with them to. see if they're suitable for our. evaluation so they came to Fort me and.

we brought all these people in and put. off in. and talked to him about it and like the. people and shook their hands and. everything and then we went out to lunch. BR and tar and Scotty Watt and. me um went out to lunch and they were. Whispering at each other and whispering. to each other and finally buah said. well I don't think we want to take three.

people he saysi want those six. guys well how about the agreement we had. on how much money we had to pay you to. evaluate the three people he says we'll. do it for the same price those people. sound good to us and we'll deal with. them so they eventually took the six. people out there. and then later on uh found the best. three of those and had the three of them.

go back again for example Joe. mcmo what are some of. the what are some of the evaluations. that you guys were conducting to find. the best candidates okay at there's SRI. situation continue with that what they. did what they did is they had. people um somebody would drive away from. Sri and then someone would sit back at.

SRI and get interviewed and say describe. to me where Dr PR off's gone and then. later they would bring that back and. they would have this is the true place. he was and then there were six one out. of six and so they scored them another. person a judge would look at what the. remote viewer tried I can't make 10 into. six can I that doesn't work.

um and he would score them uh no it's. not that one this wasn't the racetrack. um it might be that one that's kind of a. museum like thing and so they would rate. these. things. and they. got 80%. correct matches for example on Joe MCM.

monore no it was on the six Al together. meaning that the judge who didn't know. where they'd gone or what was the actual. thing about and that is how we scored. and decided who we were going to choose. and chose the ones that had the best to. you know start out were any of these. people were any of these. were any of these six people surprised. that they were chosen were they were.

they I mean how do I describe this was. anybody was anybody surprised at the. program that that that in in in in and. and surprised in the reasons you're. evaluating them. for no they they already signed up for. the program when they came in and they. you know signed secret certificates. don't tell anybody about this your boss. doesn't know what you're doing but he. know he knows that the boss tells him he.

has to go to Fort me today to do. something and he's doing it for me. so they were on board with the program. and they heard about going out to Sri. and we had those classified documents. for example and they looked at those and. they were interested in going out there. and doing that. what was in the classified.

documents there were a couple of them. on Project scan a they were things that. had been done before things that the. Soviets were doing um and was the first. beginning published evidence that not. the stuff that the CIA knew but it was. the beginning of Department of Defense. stuff that was published that they had. been looking at lots of people around.

the world that are doing this thing and. why aren't we doing this do you know how. we found out other other intelligence. agencies in countries were were doing. this. spies who was the first one who adopt. us I don't know the answer to that. I don't know the answer to that and I. probably would have to say I can neither.

confirm nor deny if I. knew um what were theyy I'm the. lieutenant to discover the scuff in the. safe went and talked to Dale graph um. and so forth and so on what were they. can you tell me what they were remote. viewing inside the. US I. don't I don't know that. okay but it grew into something else I. mean Joe's gone over there and been with.

the Russians and talked to them and. played with them and they played with. him and so forth and so yeah. yeah okay so six guys six six people uh. you guys took in what what happens then. Well they um after they finished this. evaluation we had started working at for. me with doing little outbounder things. and practicing and so forth and so on of.

what was going on. so Scotty watt would drive out in a car. to someplace and then I'd sit over in. the operations building and interview. them about uh describe where Scotty is. now and they would sometimes get hits. and sometimes not get hits which was. good for Scotty because when they'd get. a hit he would. say I wasn't so sure this stuff worked. but I was the one that went out there. and they described the tower I was on.

and such and so it was fun for him I'll. bet I'll bet that would be a a very. unique. experience. so I just want to tell you we were. working with the people and they uh some. of them came and lived in our offices. there for meet and others would come. come from someplace and we'd make an. appointment for them to. come one of those was Joe mcmonagle he.

was. working um down in Washington area and. would we'd say can you come up on. Tuesday and Friday and so he would say. well if you arrange for my boss to tell. me where I have to. be and so he was part of that same thing. testing it out for himself and US. testing how to run this thing. um and three.

others SRI wanted them back and they had. some things that they wanted to try out. can you read with remote viewing How. about if this happens or how about if. that happens what about if it's. underwater would underwater stop it and. none of those. things mattered interesting and um. or distance and. everything um and one of the interesting.

things that happened as. time passed um there was a pat price was. remote viewing for them at SRI and he. had one target that he talked about. which was um water uh water tanks and. there's tall tanks and there's two water. pools down here and it's a. a. um sewage processing.

plant and so. um when they went down to look at the. sewage processing plant hopefully so the. remote viewer could learn things he. missed well how come he didn't talk. about the red building or whatever turns. out that it. was a swimming. pool and it was like well you did get. the water and but there's these big. towers of the sewage processing plant so.

forth so. on no space No Time 75 years later long. after pat price himself. died the Meno. Park local. government published a book uh of all. the things that had been going on for. years and years and years. and Russell tar got a hold of one and. opened it up and he was.

like 75 years ago that coordinate. was not a swimming. pool but a sewage processing plant and. there was the pictures of the towers and. everything and. so they started thinking about this. differently they first they were like oh. that remote viewing was 20 blocks away. that remote viewing was when you went on. vacation that remote viewing was 3,000.

miles away and then this thing came up. and it. was remote viewing is outside of. time pat. price never knew because he. died. 75 that that. was a sewage treatment plan wow. so there was it was an Awakening to the. scientists to say there's something more.

here that's going on than what we think. we're doing at. SRI very very interesting I mean what. what is time then what is it it's that. came out of your mouth then. what what is. it it isn't it's a it's a thing that. we have invented to organize our lives.

on. Earth um you know my cat doesn't know. time and the birds don't know time. except when the weather changes they're. supposed to fly south and so forth and. so on but they. don't think of time and if I knew more. about the history of. cultures. different societies over time that have. come up over the hundreds and thousands. of years they probably have lots of.

differences I imagine weather and when. you plant things and when you harvest. things is a much more crude kind of. interface with that and you're not so. concerned about let's see it's. about so that's a really good question. what is. time and my answer is well it depends. who is keeping track of something and. decides to say you know that's spaced.

out this way the seasons of the year. except if you live at the North Pole and. the South Pole they're pretty much. always the same season you know kind. of but I sounds like humans are the ones. that are more concerned about. time. good let's talk about some of your. your career in remote. vialing right remember that I am not a.

remote. viewer I was the guy who taught other. people how to do this thing called. remote. viewing and used my education in. Psychology to understand how people. behave and how to reward them and. encourage them and so forth. but I am. not by the definition of what a remote.

viewer is I'm not a remote. viewer but you do have abilities. yes but I don't. generally and I wouldn't say those. remote view my abilities are remote. viewing and I generally try to stay away. from that topic because I want to. present myself this is the way it was. done this is the way it was monitored. this is the way that it was.

validated given to the Pentagon these. answers and this much was right that. they told us. about I like playing that role okay as. opposed to I do remote viewing. too interesting understandable as. well how was Joe when you met him. um Joe was kind of a complainer.

about uh I can never get this right and. they're not promoting me fast enough and. they should do this and they should do. that and that was bitching was his. Forte had a. um a marriage that was breaking. up um but boy could he remote you. you know so. I I love Joe I mean I really love that.

he made the day he would tell me things. and I'd be sitting there how in the. world did he know that I. mean all I did. was from major watad across the way he. said okay well here's what we're going. to start on today so one of the things. we did. was not always but one of the things we. did is I wouldn't know what the target. was and it might be in an envelope or it. might be a coordinate or whatever and I.

would take it over to Joe so I don't. know most of the time I don't know. and Joe didn't know. either and then I would take it back. after doing one short session you know. Joe would say well this is a cold area. and. there's this is really cold there's snow. on the ground and it's Northern. somewhere and but it's. a Industrial Area there are Smoke Stacks.

there and there are many buildings and. so forth and so on so I'd stop that. would be the end of the session I might. have sketch some stuff and I'd go over. to Scotty Watt and I'd say Sir this is. what we got today and he'd open it up. and he'd say schedule your second. session because he could tell me you're. on track there's something going on here. um so it's an interesting situation I I.

have to diverge a little bit people were. talking about oh it's coordinates you. use oh it's a picture you use oh well. let me say you can't use coordinates. anymore you got to scramble the numbers. and make up a number and say that's the. number still works and how about this. and how about. that what I really think right now maybe. tomorrow would be something else but. there was a trust between Joe and I when.

he and I were in that room I didn't fool. around with him he knew that I. knew the questions that the Pentagon. needed to. know so there I I'd say Joe do you want. to hold the envelope Joe do you want to. hear the gordin no because over the. years there was a trust build up. I'm in that room with him to do one. thing and that's answer some questions.

from the Pentagon what kind of questions. were the Pentagon was the Pentagon. interested in oh lots of different. things. um can you tell us um we've watched in. Europe as the um Soviets are moving. their tanks forward like they're going. to go past the folder Gap and so forth. and so on can you ask uh where this is. right now and Joe would be able to say.

well yes I see them moving but they're. all parked in. garages and so they would fly another. satellite over yeah they're all parked. in garages I don't think we have. anything to worry about think um there. were many many things that the Pentagon. want know somebody would have a. particular problem um that they're. trying to resolve and is it this is it. that I mean you saw some of those things. in a third eye video.

about things that they were asked. and our satellites that would go over. every now and then and then they said we. never knew that was there or remov you. were told it was there kind of a thing. so. um That Grew too there was because of. Scotty watt Scotty watt knew a lot of. people and he could go to the Pentagon. and go out to lunch with a guy and play. golf with a guy and everything and got.

to know that you know you could tell. Scotty something that you needed to know. and he would bring home the envelope. hand it to me and I'd do sessions with. people and then we'd send it back to him. so that built up for a while. um let's take a a quick break and when. we come back we'll get into project. 8200 okay that's great.

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all right skip we're back from the break. and uh right before we left we're. getting ready to get into project 8200. but you had mentioned uh an important. point that you wanted to bring up um.

about how the remote viewer knows what. to focus on it sounded like uh in the. middle of their their Journey or. experience what what do you call it yes. is it a an experience I think it's the. only words we can use for it in our mind. in our vo vocabulary I think is probably. any experience what to um I don't think. intellectually they think they're going.

anywhere they know they're sitting in. the room with me and so but they're. having an experience in some way okay. now they sometimes may describe well I'm. going to go over there now and I'm going. to look at that but we shouldn't take. that too strongly they're still sitting. there next to you okay. um did you see that that um video about. three Eye Spies or whatever that was.

third ey spies I did not okay so that's. perfectly okay but it has to do with the. way I would tell a story because. otherwise I would say these things and. you would say oh yeah but you're not. going to do that okay. excellent. so I. U was what I did discovered. recently something that I haven't had. not given a great deal of thought about.

and I've been in this business a long. time and I was. like. whoa this means something regardless of. what. happened um this means something so the. background to this is that in the days. of put off and targ at Stanford Research. Institute they obviously had a contract. with CIA and kit green was the guy in.

CIA who was kind of watching them and. was in charge of what they did and then. he would take the results that they. would get in their evaluating and. testing and studying under. protocol this idea of remote viewing and. he would take and show some of the. results to his people at the CIA and. they started to think both kit green and. other people at.

CIA would was starting to. think how do we. know that they're sticking with protocol. and how do we. know that they don't have some other. access. to the targets that their remote viewers. are. getting so he decided he was him K green. was going to come up with something that.

would prove to the other people that. were questioning him you know this stuff. is garbage it doesn't work it doesn't. make any sense to us he keeps telling. him about it and. everything so he decided what he was. going to do is he was going to go to. another friend of his in the CIA and go. to him and. say I want you to give me a set of. coordinates Geographic coordinates that.

I have know no knowledge of it I know. nothing about it I don't know what it is. and he said okay and he gave him the. coordinates and he said so I don't know. what this is that means nothing to me I. don't recognize it as being the Eiffel. Tower or anything and and he says that's. right you you won't know what this is. so he passes that out to. Sri and SRI comes back with this it's a.

very elaborate description of this place. he says. it's very secret and guards and fences. around it and I went inside and I um. looked through safes and on the wall. this was written and uh opened up the. safes and read what the words and names. of the files were um.

and um end of. session and. so when he gets that back from Sri he. takes it over to his friend whose name. by the way was Dave in the CIA at that. time and he started laughing he says. this nonsense that you're doing kid is. just it's just nonsense it's ridiculous. and he said what do you mean he said I. built a cabin last year and fixed it and.

I gave you the coordinates to the. cabin and he went to his other friends. and said this is what SRI told me and. they're all like you got to be. kidding and he's says no this is this he. says that's a real. place and nobody knows about about. it so he got in his car and he drove.

physically to the. coordinates up in the mountains found. this guy's. cabin and said what is going on here. this makes no sense at all and he turned. around and went. down 100 yards down the. road and there was a wel Cut. well-groomed Road and he turned up there. and came over a. ridge and there was Sugar Grove it was.

in the late 60s and. 70s the. Navy's installation for monitoring. Soviet Satellites interesting which. actually physically doesn't exist. anymore never mind that wasn't ever. there but we have pictures of it and you. can look up sugar drove online. so I need to try to add here when he.

went in he said uh everything had to do. with uh the names on things and the. files and so forth had to do. with um playing pool there was a q ball. and nineball and eightball and this and. different kinds of shots and. everything and when he showed that to. his other CIA friends said all those are. top secret. classified limb.

disc. names those are real names of a real. project of Sugar. Grove and it was. like how did that happen. well cuz he had given this where twists. up a little bit but I'll get back to it. straight he had given that to Sri and. was expecting that either Hamed.

or inos Swan would do the job and they. were going to look at it with one person. and so forth and so. on turns out that Pat price was hanging. around he said you guys got something. going on here here I'll help and he was. that kind of a guy you know. and it was Pat Price's work that wound. up at Sugar Grove and read those names. that were top secret password names for.

everything that that Navy installation. did and they immediately showed up in. crit Green's office angry and mad and. what did you do and we're going to have. to investigate this some there's a leak. in your department here and this and. that and the other thing he. said SRI did it out in California and. and. then as as sort of a joke and an.

enthusiasm. when put off describes this thing going. on he. says I'm trying to remember exactly what. he says every law enforcement person in. California showed up Sr because they. they were really angry about all this. information leaking out. well the point of this whole thing is. all that stuff happened it's very well.

documented and what is it that. when here was the target assigned by the. coordinate and over here was Sugar. Grove when he got sent here supposedly. here's your coordinates describe what's. there and you know put off and tar are. trying to do their best and get good. protocols and. everything.

and it's a boring I'm going to make up. some words because I don't know what to. say it's. boring but they say wonder what the hell. that is over there and so Pat price goes. over here and finds Sugar. Grove so I started thinking about this. situation in remote viewing and. everywhere every. when how do you know that that is a. thing of Interest what is it that.

attracts you to. that as opposed to following the rules I. want you to describe that cabin in the. forest that's what your job is here are. your. coordinates and. yet he goes to Sugar. Grove it pretty much scares the Jesus. about the CIA and the Navy at that point. in time. so I started thinking about that in. terms of all the remote viewing I've. done and many.

others. um if the theory of. quantum. non-locality is true that there is no. time and there is no space what is that. next I'm using this skull of mine which. makes no sense but it's a good graphic. what is the next twist to that that gets. the remote viewer to describe that.

interesting. thing and how many times has that. happened in the hundreds of thousands of. remote viewings that are going on in the. world and somebody says that doesn't. make sense we ask you to do such and. such and you did so and. so did they give any thought to. why in the heck did he do so and so he. usually does really good work why did he. describe.

that I'm still chewing on that this is. you know less than a month in my head in. about this. particular interesting. thing how does that. happen. when you want to to go over to project. 88200 how did Pat price go and look at.

those things nobody told him to go look. at that he just was that kind of a guy. that was attracted to go look at those. things he says when you talk to him we. used a policeman down in. Burbank he said oh you know the. detectives would come in and they would. say this that and everything thing and. he said I'd kind of roll my head back. and say well you know you really ought. to check out this you didn't tell me you. guys checked on that he said okay and he.

said he'd be unusually right about. those every now and then and so he kept. headed in that. [Music]. direction this project 8200 thing was. something that I did because Pat price. walked. into um SRI and his normal working. there um in the early ' 70s having come.

up from originally down in Burbank he. then lived in Northern California but he. would come down. to do sessions because put off and tar. checked him out and so he would go in. and he would do things but they had to. control him because he. was a gregarious. wild cat is that a good he was just. uncontrollable in terms of what he would.

Doh um. and he came in and on put off Tes. because you might be interested in this. I've been interested in this for a while. and I've found uh four ufob bases uh. around the globe and so you really got. to look at it and four UFO bases yes and. this just came in just completely random. one day this bat comes in and here it is.

four UFO bases around the world where. were the where were they um or where are. they yes they're still there this all. happened 50 years ago a little bit more. than that now. um Mount inyan gani which is a country. in Africa isolated country Mount Hayes. is up in. Australia Mount Puro is on the border of.

Spain and France and then there's one. in Australia which I can't quite. remember the name of that up in. Australia Haz is in Alaska correct Haz. is in Alaska okay Zeal I think might be. the one down in. Australia so this was an interesting. problem for um put off to deal with he. says these you actually you know we're. watching.

Pat in our program here and testing and. evaluating uh our program here at SRI. these look interesting. his what is it about this that you know. pulls me to it so it turns out that he. calls up a friend of his called Ken. Cress. and says I'm sorry kit green and calls. kit green and they're friends from a.

long time ago when they were Junior. officers. now he's kit green is um in the CIA he. went that way and put off went. into um being a research scientist but. they're really good friends so he calls. up. kitten. says could you do me a favor and said. what's that well um I was wondering how.

things are going down in Australia do. you know who the case officer is down in. Australia the station Chief or whatever. you call them and he says well yeah he. said well I'm just kind of interested in. what what things are like. in Australia now I'd like to maybe go. down there someday and so he says well. let me give him a call and so a couple. days later he calls back and said yeah I. talked to the station Chief down there.

and he said it's they really like it. they get along with the Australians just. fine um they share things and work. together on things and I really like it. here too I hope I don't get reassigned. very often well there is that one thing. it's all those UFOs up north and put off. his like oh well that's kind of an. interesting thing but otherwise you. really like it down there and you put. off wasn't going to say anything he says.

you know we ought to get together next. time you're back in the States here. we'll go out and have a beer again. remember had a good time we had when we. were young officers together they said. yeah let's do that let's get together. again and so. then put off had had those on his desk. and told. hat don't ever do this again go get. working you not to do things alone you.

have to follow protocol we're being paid. by an outside agency and we have to. follow our protocol else we'll get fired. so you need to not ever do this again. only do the things that tar is working. with you in the interview room next door. you do what things we're telling you to. do so that we're in control and we can. tell the CIA what we are doing you know.

that's an that's a very interesting. demand considering it's all done in your. brain that's that's telling you I mean. essentially the same thing is telling. you don't think about these things I'm. your boss I tell you what to think and. how to think right how did Pat respond. to that well. I don't think I know the answer to that. question okay but he Shrugged his. shoulders and I'm sure because of the.

Maverick that he was he didn't much care. about what he said probably motivated. him to do more right who knows my kind. of. guy so anyway put off keeps him in keeps. it in the drawer and then he. waits because this is a big haloo and. people whis bring to other people in the. office and. all and so he waits and he waits and he. waits meanwhile put off an eye or.

becoming good. friends um. he you know I would go out there and. check on the training and check on this. and everything and they'd always take me. out to dinner and do this and do this. and fin I said you don't have to do this. I'm with you guys you know you I know I. sign your checks now that's what I'm. doing for a while cuz my boss left and. now I'm. the boss of you what I forget what you. call that when you're. the person case control officer I don't.

know anyways so we became more friends. after a while and could visit and talk. about things U without him doing his job. of taking care of the guy that came from. Washington and making sure we take care. of that guy because he's the guy who. obeys us said don't do. that and time passed and he called. me I have a different program than I run.

back at Fort meat which I think I've. explained in some of the papers I said. is if you're not doing something because. you're at war or having some thing you. have to do you're practicing on that. you're doing mock things that keep you. in good training you don't just lay. around on the ground you do pt and you. do all the sorts of things so I had uh. what I called a challenge program that I.

did when I had remote viewers that you. know weren't too busy and they didn't. have something immediately to do I would. come up with challenge targets um like. send them to a very confusing Museum. that went around the circle like that. and see if they could figure that out. because you know you'd be looking at. this direction then you turn around and. look that direction. and it it would pass you know 50 years. in time because you're supposed to walk. through the museum and look at the.

things so those were challenge type. targets that I did several different. kinds so I. took put off gave me all of Pat prices. transcripts on the things he said do you. think you could use this in in a. challenged Target. Training I didn't need the Pentagon to.

tell me to do it I was the operations. and training officer and that's what I. did operations and training on the. training side it was challenge. targets so I worked up a set. of plans for taking the. transcript and creating. the names of the mountains where these.

UFO bases were underground UFO bases. were and then did a series of challenge. targets um four of them with Joe who. does the Erv thing just he just lays. down and talks the other people trained. by Ingo Swan and they have this very. complicated structure to do their remote. viewing and so I. had six of those I think maybe five and.

then we had a couple people who kind of. did their own. thing. and this was 10 years after that's why I. call it project. 8200 because it was 1973 when Pat price. did this and then put off gave me the. material here after in his opinion. things Qui a down out there and people. weren't about this anymore so he handed. me these and see if I would run. challenge Targets on them and so the.

project 8200 is those challenge targets. of. asking Stargate remote viewers giving. them coordinates to go to and have them. to describe what's. there what did. he and so these bases were they part of. the challenge targets that I gave them. the coordinates that price had said this.

is where I was looking so I took those. coordinates and I told them to go look. at these different coordinates and see. what they found. there. the Stargate remote viewers so before we. get into what they saw what what did Pat. see at these. bases he described them as inside areas. where four different kinds of groups of. people who had different. duties. um had inside places that they were.

inside these mountains what do you mean. four different types of people races. genders what are we what are we talking. here just different projects that. they're on yeah they these four bases. had different stories I can read them to. you with they were they had. different jobs that they did. um in four different bases and so he. would talk about well I'm going to go.

over to Mountain Yani now and I'm going. to look at Mount Hayes and so his this. is another thing that we talked about. before he just would go to this place as. well this is very interesting over here. in Mount Pito but I think I'll go back. up to Hayes and then his thing would. change and we had to go through the. transcript very carefully where is he. supposed to be talking about now and. then going back to the discussion we had. a minute.

ago how did he know which one to go to. and might be more. interesting and so forth and that's just. in the back of my mind now so to speak. silly the way I talk one way one time. and say then in the back of my mind. which I know it's not in there anyway so. um. the main. thing that there was some interest in.

when some people would read this and say. oh my goodness they're terrible they're. invading us they can do this and they. can monitor what our radio things are. and do this and. um the single. thing that. seemed Joe came up with this is first he. was worried about this whole thing in. terms of him being a military man and.

wondering about what's all this going on. here but by the time he got through with. going through all the targets he says. you. know they just don't want to be. discovered they don't. want people around the planet to know. that they're there we don't want people. hiking up the mountain and saying hey. you guys what are you doing here who's. they the it depends on which thing you. win and I don't believe all of it in.

other words there's lots of things that. they. say and like one of them is their home. base is Mars and I don't necessarily. believe that but other people have said. something about that so I'm looking. specifically at the material I have and. not adding in things that other people. have said so let's so what is the. material that you had on these four. different locations what were. they so we're moving to.

the next phase and let me try to make. sure I understand the question you're. asking is that um the only thing I. had to start with was Crisis transcript. that put off gave me right M and I. change them into questions so what was. what was Pat's. transcript.

specifically what was going on at these. four different locations the one in. Australia. Alaska Spain and the location in. Africa Joe started out on his thing and. he usually lays down and then he gets up. and comes to the desk and draws for me. and explains the drawing meanwhile tape. recording the whole. thing so he says this is for Mount Hayes. in Alaska he says okay before I describe.

these pictures here I have to make a. statement you have to bear with my. descriptions and everything what they. lack because I can't find a lot I find a. lot of difficulty in describing this. because I've never seen anything that. remotely resembles this part of the. Target now he doesn't know he's looking. at prices stuff. sealed envelope and all that stuff I've. never seen anything like it just have no. familiarity with it I mean I don't even.

recognize the screws and bolts of this. thing it's just completely off the wall. as far as the Target so I have nothing. to relate to so I have to present it as. I envisioned it and I asked him what do. you mean by off-the-wall it's brand new. it's never existed before this is a. prototype of something something. completely New Concept it's like asking. an aborigin who has never seen an. automobile to crawl inside the.

automobile and then describe in his. terms what's an. automobile when he has no terms for. screws and bolts and seat covers and. windows and Glass and Metal even the. most rudimentary parts of this. thing have no meaning. whatsoever and so we kind knew he was in. trouble let me see.

here this is the kind of position I'm in. I've seen. something I have not even a rudimentary. term to explain as far as other than a. galic. concept and you're really asking me to. draw this so how and why my drawings are. not going to be very good. skip a little bit given that's true. here's page one I have a bunch of water. land ice all these General things.

written here my sketch this is generally. a very desolate. area and Drew a mountain range wrote in. mountains this whole range of mountains. that extends for thousands of miles so. I'll give you an idea the scale of which. I'm drawing and sort of put an X here. where I perceive the target to. be so you know he goes on in his full. transcript. about Mount. Hayes an icy covered mountain and so.

forth and. so. um he has a lot of them I want. to read you you've heard of. um different types of remote viewing Joe. just lays an talks but then ingos swan. tells this story about um you have to. put them right across this way and then.

go down here and that go down here and. write that it's ingo's technique of. trying to keep thoughts and ideas. organized which makes me wonder about. this whole idea of you're everywhere. every win and Ingo although didn't speak. of it that. way tries to get you to or organize. these different things so that you'll. stay focused on something and not try to. display. everything anyway this coordinate remote.

viewing here there are the whole point. of this exercise other than challenge. Target is to. say that thing that price did in. 93 in underground UFO Bas is different. thing is that a bunch of garbage or is. there any idea that maybe some of the. things that he said were really true and. so the result of my thing is.

like that sounds pretty darn good 10. years later so this I'm going to read. this as a summary of one of those people. that did the uh remote viewing by Inus. Swan he didn't do it but one of our. trainees uh his name was. um Bill Ray. um sight is a mountain it is better cold. it is bitter cold and.

windy. uh much snow much wind and snow there. may be partly or completely. Frozen uh body of water nearby the. mountain is. hollow it it is a large cave or Crater. this this has uh huge rooms and walls. curved High ceilings there is an opening.

into the caves the cavern is clear. sterile there's a equipment. and different points there in the. corridor some of the equipment is for. monitoring other support maybe for life. support there are silver metallic ships. that which are very quick they. are durable and are large and.

small they are used to transport people. and Equipment there's some people here. they are. thin emotional. unemotional and have programmed. feelings they are strange and have. a pro predesigned. Mission they.

are freezing and calling semi-isolated. they feel. unearthly the site has a research. feeling the feeling. like. security the people. are benign and serious and are. interrelated site. end so there are several of those I only. brought one because of time and.

um what I did in. 8200 to find out about what price did in. 1973 some people have said to me oh. that's perfectly matches perfectly and I. saying I'm not ready to go that far but. it sure. sounds like you know you have two people. and they describe what it was like when.

they went to the football game and this. one describes what it was like going to. the football. game they're not going to be exactly the. same and I think that's what's playing. into it here these are all different. people trying to explain this strange. thing that they're seeing while remote. viewing programmed. thoughts what is that did he expound. upon that at all um there is.

a different concept that the these. program thoughts. people um can use. telepathy to tell you to turn left and. instead of to turn right or you don't. see anything here some sort of. programmed telepathy H um. one.

thing was an interesting thing I was. asked. well people have gone up there people. that are UFO type people have gone up. there and looked around but they can't. find how to get into the mountain. and my wife said what makes you think. they have to get into the mountain. I mean they. can there's lots of things on different. things are being proven now they can. walk right through them uh or they can.

use this programmed thing and not let. you. see where the cave. begins um that was one of the things you. know people were certainly worried about. and somebody said. well wouldn't uh some investigators some. intelligence people go up there and and. find out if this is true because there's. all this going on and I said I don't.

think I don't know but I don't think. they'd tell me if they. did and. um now what about you would said you you. had just mentioned maybe they programmed. they used the program thoughts to. conceal the entrance what are you. speaking of when you say. people can walk through. things well first of.

all what is the name of that place that. they're showing on TV now where they're. studying that place in the mountains. where they're. watching I I'm sorry I just can't. remember right now the but they see. lights coming down and going in here and. then going through the mountain and. popping out over. here so we have these days physically.

watched that happen and the. idea that it was just my wife's comment. say what makes them think they have to. they couldn't go through the mountain or. they so uh a softer way of saying that. is they could be controlled so they. can't see where they go in the mountain. mhm but there also are real films now. that. show that happens how do you articulate.

that how do you how do you what's what's. happening there how is that happening I. watch it on TV like everybody else does. and I see it come down and it's been. going on for quite a while I think you. must have seen the programs I just can't. remember the name of them right now but. they um. how would I what do I think about that. and how they do.

it um I I don't have an answer I know. that it's been videotaped that it's been. documented by a lot of different people. and they bring in experts in to try to. figure it out and what you see in the. films that they make is it goes through. over here and it goes out over. there and when I watch it I'm saying. well look at that I don't have the. wherewithal other. than whatever they're doing they.

something we don't know how about and. that's what they're. investigating well what about the so. this was Mount Hayes correct that we. were just speaking of we're talking. about Mount Hayes in that situation what. what do they what are Pat and Joe saying. about the other three locations. were they identical were there any. variations yes um I don't have that here.

in my notes I have it all written down. in home and do you remember any of it. it's well documented in my books too. um if we're talking about this. particular set of beings in the 8200. beings I remember that they um. would inter. reportedly would interfere with.

um one of our aircraft that would go. over and could take satellite. pictures uh in that range and that. satellite would have some. problems because they didn't want. anything to be photographed they didn't. want it was very important for them not. to be. discovered.

interesting and again don't they don't. seem to. be dangerous or concerned with hurting. us in any. way just don't get. discovered but they got. discovered well in this particular case. with the help of price and 10 years. later with a follow on of these remote. viewers looking at it had anyone else.

other than Joe and Pat remote viewed. these. locations yes they. um I. had seven. six. Joe and Joe did all four places Pat did. it but then I had these other. coordinate remote viewers or controlled. remote viewers I had six of those and.

that's what I read you when I read you. this okay okay so with everything that. you know about this and and I mean you. set up project 8200 I mean what is the. what is your conclusion what are. these you we have to ask the question. softer. my. job I was an army officer at the time.

and my job to. do um these kinds of remote. viewing things not this wasn't tasked by. the anybody but me just for training. purposes my results are these look very. similar to what Pat price did. I think that there's a validity to the. pat price work and the work that they. did but when you take one step F further.

is well what do I think about them what. are they doing and how can they do that. and what this is that wasn't my job that. wasn't something that I know about. it's pretty weird stuff but it was. Project pretty weird weird all right. project 8200 was about checking out what. price said M and my remote viewers said.

well interestingly it matches pretty. interestingly so we're talking six to. seven different remote viewers all. remote viewed these locations and had. something very similar to say yes and. has there been any reported activity. from civilian. population news media anything from any. of these locations. apparently it is a common thing in those. type of people that.

are UFO people. or running around there's many many many. people who have big opinions about UFOs. and want to talk about them all the time. um those people seem to know about this. too a little bit and I'm I don't deal. with talking to them so what is your. opinion on. UFOs are they real I don't know how to. answer that question isn't part of my.

job and I I hear you trying to suck. about suck things out of me in terms of. well what do you think well what do you. think and it's. like I think I did a pretty good job. organizing how to find out what price. did do you believe in UFOs. um is you're really good in your. questions I wanted to read you a little.

bit of this later but. um if. I try to sidestep you like I'm doing. right now then you're going to draw a. conclusion ah I know what he doing there. he really believes in him but he doesn't. want to tell me on the other hand I can. say um. it's an interesting. subject or I can talk more about it or I. can say I can neither confirm nor deny.

and so there's lots of different. things do you want me to tell you some. stories absolutely. um when I was a very small child uh. living in California as a kid uh was out. in the front yard with my mom walking. around the ivy that my dad had planted. so instead of grass so he didn't have to. cut the grass all the time and just had.

the green Ivy out there big huge Field. Green Ivy and I looked up there and said. Mom what are those five silver things up. there what are those things and she just. said oh they call those UFOs don't worry. about them they're. fine and another story from my weird. [Music]. family um. um ingos Swan had some encounters with a. UFO on the ground and he snuck over a.

mountain and watched him and so forth. and so. on um and I asked put off do you trust. what Ingo says and he says yes. absolutely Ingo will never lie he'll. have mistakes and look at this and look. at this but if he says he was there he. saw one. when Joe and I both worked in Stargate.

together same. office. um I had an incident where I was on top. of a grassy which I now use to explain. as again forgetting the name I actually. have a picture of it this is important. to say this. name there it is Lawrence Livermore.

National Laboratory you know what that. looks like I don't it's outside of San. Francisco. law National. Laboratory anyway so do you mind if I. text this to myself so we can put it on. screen the story that I am not telling. you is about my actual encounters with. UFO so Joe and I are both working in.

um. Stargate and one night I have this very. strong uh I'm. standing on a grassy null. area. um and I looking around and there's lots. of people just regular. Joe's and Janes is that a good way to do.

that regular people there and I'm. looking. around and there's a sense. of sort of being hypnotized dur in the. zone I wish I knew that name do you know. when the healers down in South America. go around. and fix your ears and fix your eyes and. stuff they're all kind of. mesmerized mesmerized right well these.

people that I was standing around with. on the grassy null area were all sort of. meem. mesmerized and they were like looking. around and there were. aliens in between them like interviewing. them or talking to them and so. forth and I. lost my. composure.

because I was doing training in remote. viewing and out of- body stuff and all. that and I spoke in my thing I spoke up. and said well I teach people how. to get out of their body and the aliens. looked over at me and I said ah why. didn't I keep my mouth shut and they. came over to. me and they brought over to me a.

little this is too big it was just a. little tiny thing that was round like. this and had a needle thing here and in. here there was. a filled with um fluid of some. kind that was the color. of kind of. brownish color and it was much smaller.

like this and they came around me and. circled me and I'm still probably a. little mesmerized Again by that time but. I was like I realized I said something. that I shouldn't have. said and they stuck it in my leg and. squeezed the brown. part uh. and I floated up into the. air and they said kind of like that and. I was like the other people and other.

aliens didn't care they looked up you. know and say hey what is he doing. floating no they didn't it was you know. they didn't because of their. mesmerization Mesmer they didn't seem to. care too much that I was floating up in. the air and so forth and so on now this. is a dream or this is real or let's just. let's just say this is an experience. that I had this is an out-of- Body. Experience so you had an out-of- body.

experience in a grassy null let's is. that correct no let's not jump to. conclusions until I come to the end and. then I'll I'll say I give up. but so I had an experience and this my. experience was I was on a grassy null. and. and the next morning I wake up and I go. to work at Fort me and Joe's in the.

office with everybody else and I walked. by Joe well I'm sorry Joe was there. amongst the other people Joe was there. and I saw him there so in the experience. I saw him in the experience so I with. all the other people and the little. aliens so I went over to Joe and I said. Joe can I ask you. something um he said sure what do you. want and I said I was wondering if.

anything happened to you last night he. said no uhuh just all those aliens that. you and I were. with I said okay thanks and I turned. around walked out of the office and Joe. and I to this day have never spoken of. it again why why have you not spoken. with him about that I don't know the. answer to that but we had talked about. it now I did talk. to put off about it sidebar put off. really believes in.

UFOs okay coming back to put off uh I. said I told him about my experience. didn't tell him about Joe I don't think. and he says was it up. at um what was the name of that place. again Mount Hayes no no no no no. this oh. um I don't know.

okay he said to me was it at the. Lawrence Livermore. laboratory and I. said really you think it was there cuz I. I know where that place is and um he. said well there's a lot of incidents up. there that get reported and that's all. he told. me but he knew about the Lawrence. Livermore things so I started looking up. pictures and I said that looks like a.

pretty darn good grassy. null very very interesting so when you. asked me. about that I was reluctant to say. anything about. that and I have. had a discret out- of- body. experience and found.

myself in. the it's hard to talk about Dimensions. but I was standing behind an alien in a. spacecraft just a small one which I. understand get bigger and smaller. depending. upon at any rate. he said you shouldn't be here and I said. I know I realize this is a strange place.

but before I go could I ask you a. question and this. is really a very strong memory in my. head excuse me in my head you know I. don't remember what I had for dinner. last night but this is in. there I'm telling my myself I'm silly. again dude it's not in there at any rate. um and he said okay and I said um how do.

you get from here to Alpa centor we. can't do that the only thing that we. think about is I have to go really fast. for a really long time how is it that. you can go to Alpha centor without any. problem. and essentially he saidou wouldn't. understand so I. said I agree that's a problem however I.

know that you have access to my mental. thoughts I mean that's you're not. talking to me with your mouth you have. access to my mental thoughts and I. understand that can you use what. information I have in my head and try to. explain it to. me and he said well do you know what a. Rubik's Cube is and I said oh yeah my. son can do them in 2 minutes he says. okay so imagine a Rubik's Cube but not. necessarily just a six sides a just.

imagine the concept of a Rubik's Cube. and I said okay now imagine on each one. of the tiles on the Rubik. Cube. has a chart of the elements an elemental. chart and you say oh yeah I know what. that is you know I've had science in. school and everything he says now on. each of the other five surfaces there's. also Elemental. charts and I said so okay but what's the.

deal and he said. well you're thinking about going that. way very fast for a very long. time what he didn't say to me which I'm. thinking right now there's no space in. time I'm only thinking that right now. that wasn't part of the explanation. uhhm and he says so what you do to get. to Alpha centor is you just twist the.

cube and I. said what do what do you mean he said. well I told you you wouldn't understand. and he. said when the periodic. table occurs in a different place you're. at that place and that's just a very. crude explanation. but you have to stop thinking about go. that way for a long time very. fast it doesn't.

work and so you know the Rubik's Cube. and all that nonsense is probably just. trying to mess with my mind and. everything. and because that doesn't make how many. Rubik cubes do you have to have you know. it's it's a stupid question it's just an. explanation for me to try. to get my thinking straight cuz he was. very strong when he said so it has to be. utilizing some type of a.

Consciousness correct I I think that. that's absolutely true it's a. Consciousness act and so you're talking. about. Quantum what was it quantum. local correct yeah and so there has to. be some kind of a connection if if you. heard of uh. have you heard of. um what is they call it uh man now I'm. now I'm having.

problems quantum entanglement mhm it's a. way it has to be something like that. where I mean we the the entire our. entire conversation you've been talking. about everything is one connect uh how. everything is. connected and so it had in and I mean. even even the Chinese have claimed to be. able to communicate with their. satellites now via quantum entanglement. whether that's real or I don't. know but supposedly the premise is every.

atom is connected and and and you know. we've talked about this several times on. the show if you split an atom in half. and you vibrate this half no matter. where yes. in space and time exactly the other half. is it will mimic the exact same. vibration that that's being manipulated. on the other half and so that has to be. that has oh I guess doesn't have to but. I would think that that would come into.

play well we're trying very. hard to think about it as humans in our. little brains. um but then there's does seem to be help. coming along like this um. just to end this part of the story there. is no end there's no speech not. um time.

passed and it occurred to me wait a. minute I don't have to twist the cube if. I just turn the cube on the other. surface is a different. world and this same guy spoke to me. instantly in my brain saying I've been. waiting for you you to discover that. and it's l like he didn't ever go. anywhere because you can't ever go. anywhere so it's was very interesting to.

me you know one gee why did you wait. three years to tell me that. and there's no such thing as the three. years to think about but it was like sat. me up like this and. said I didn't say anything in my head I. was like well that was pretty. interesting and so getting back to your.

question do I believe. in UFOs I have had. experiences so I guess it's just a. matter if you trust your own experiences. or not yes do you trust your own. experiences experience oh yeah um but. there are false things around all the. time you know Green ice cream is no good. for you you ought to eat vanilla you. know so is that a belief system and I. say somebody told me one time you.

shouldn't eat green ice cream you know. and so. so I'm where I am right now at 77 years. old and the experiences I've had I have. no doubt that there is something going. on besides us on this planet there's. something else there and maybe. because the everywhere every. wi and if they are all one there's no.

such thing. as they're part of us they're part of. our family they're part of our. group interesting concept that I've not. heard. before do you have any other how how. how far down the rabbit hole did you. guys go with this were there other. projects other than. 8200 of that time no I mean.

there I mean I remember when I. interviewed Joe he had uh mentioned he. had mentioned uh remote viewing a. pyramid on Mars and I believe the year. was 2000 BC do you have any recollection. of that I sent Joe de Mars you're the. one that sent him there mhm. let's can you just kind of relive that. experience actually let me let me let me. let me start with a preliminary.

question how did that pop up on. anybody's radar why did you even give. Joe a specific grid coordinate on Mars. with a. date you know I don't. remember right now I mean I even have. that on video and the whole thing um on. my. computer which I'll send you and you can. listen to it but I don't remember.

actually why I did that you don't. remember why somebody gave gave you a. coordinate to have Joe MCM monagle. remote view. Mars I would rather say what I just said. and that is I don't remember why I did. that oh okay. what did you think when Joe discovered. the pyramid through his. experience well. I tended to believe him about a couple.

of. things. um I had during the thing. he this might have had something to do. with put off because I asked some. questions about it of put up. anyway the. planet uh is a different size than ours. so you had to be careful about what he.

said one time he looked at the Sun and. he said what's wrong with the sun I said. Joe we can't study that right now we. have to look at this coordinate here and. the coordinates on ours all go just in. One Direction East West and north south. but they you know us so we split this. way in our east and west but on Mars it. goes the whole way around I got goofed. up for a while there and then I remember.

coordinates don't matter anyway he's. just doing what he's doing and if I say. it you know go check out the peanuts you. know. okay wouldn't mean anything. um and then he came back down and I said. uh you know go over there and go over. here and then he. said. um. Mars um used to be a good used to be a.

healthy Planet but it got. hit by. something and I said are you saying it. was a something exploded something was. destroyed he says it was. um like an asteroid came and hit the. planet and that tore the atmosphere off. of it and for millions of years now it's. just been deteriorating after it lost.

its. atmosphere um and then he said and there. are some people in the pyramid thing I. don't know if he just said building or. pyramid but he could have said pyramid. and. um people hid in there knowing that the. comet was coming they wanted to create. an environment where they could uh. survive and.

then come out after the destruction of. the. terribleness and I said. well can you. go and he was able to go back in time I. told him to go back in time till before. that hit. and he. described you know tall aliens and so. forth and so on and I said well how. about now can you go inside the pyramid.

and he said oh no it's been too long. it's been a long long time and they're. all dead now they didn't. survive and then he said. um but some of them didn't go into that. some of them took off like. they had a spaceship of some kind and. they took off and then he described. something that looked an awful lot.

like Earth before the Earth. got torn apart by um you know a young. Earth with volcanoes and stuff all. around there like out of the frying pan. into the fire was kind of the thing I. was saying it's like that that's as far. as they could get but it was at least it. was off. Mars now that I think back it might be.

that put off had something to do with. trying to get me to do that work because. I remember talking with him about. it I'll send the movie to you and you. can see it I would appreciate that would. be okay if we put some of the clips into. this interview as we talk about it sure. cuz then you would have the show. thank. you how did how did Pat.

die slowly this or not this or not um. there are many many stories. about Pat dying and everybody has a. different. story um do you really want to I mean. this is really it's I can tell you that. and then you'll have the stories too. um there was a.

sense that. um 73 he was active and stuff 75 he was. dead CIA had bought him CMI CIA got him. away from Sri because they saw what he. did and. CIA hired. him lived in the Virginia. area it's some of the reports say he was.

in Washington DC no he was in the. Virginia area that's how far apart. Virginia and Washington DC are depends. on whether you go to the store or not. you know at any rate. um there was a. rumor that came up that he was sick and. that he was going to. die. and he collapsed in a.

restaurant and they took him. to the. hospital uh. and. um I'm going to tell these stories. differently and you're going to get them. mixed up okay um took him to the. hospital. and.

um he disappeared from the hospital when. two people came to take him and said. they're going to take him to the funeral. home and people say well who were these. guys I don't know but I think when you. know bill was on night duty but he's not. here. today and I don't really know who that. was why don't you check at the desk or. something um nobody could identify who. they were I say CIA would do that.

because he was their employee and had. lots of classified stuff and so they. were. taking. and Russell tar tells the story that. then they. were they took him and and they cremated. him and buried him in an unmarked grave. and he went looking for the grave and. see there's the grave that says 155 and. it doesn't.

say anything about. it it's an unmarked grave with. supposedly his ashes are in there the. agency just decided they were going to. cremate him and bury him and an unmarked. grave I would. suggests that that something like that. but having you say it was much better. um.

the that's one story okay Second Story. oh and then I'm sorry after he was. buried they called his. wife okay and that's the story that. Russell got when he went looking for. what happened to them Russell tar got. that. now story. two I think there'll be three stories. story two. is Pat.

price. Russell. how. how and. Pats. wife fly to. I think the place is Las Vegas area I'm. not too sure um.

and go to the hospital and they say oh. well he got taken to the funeral home. they go to the F and we don't know who. that was and they go to the funeral home. and there's Pat Price's. body in a. casket and. Hal tells me it looks. like. price um his wife is there and they.

agree it looks like him but it's not so. hard to do that to a body and the CIA is. good at fixing stuff up that needs to be. fixed. up. um. so I don't know after that. I there's four stories not three um I. don't know after. that because your next question well did.

they bury. that no I don't know the story to that I. only know what Hal told me of his out. you know he was missing from there and. he wind up there and there was a body. the other story we know is like the body. was burned and so forth and so on. um this is one to do you know the the. true story of what happened.

well no I don't but I know when I heard. this story from. how and nobody knew what happened after. that what do you think I would. do I would. probably if I were you I would go to the. locations that people said that he was. buried and see what's there did you do. that NOP I put Pat Price's picture in an.

envelope and gave that sealed envelope. to Joe and asked Joe to describe where. the person in the picture was. interesting first thing out of Joe's. mouth this guy does something like what. I do and I said Joe my task is to tell. me where he is. doesn't matter about he does what you. do okay okay wait a.

minute um he's in an underground. office in Virginia. somewhere okay Joe let's start with that. and I'll get back to. you and then he was used to me saying. that cuz I used to take the envelope. into. to Major watt now Colonel Watt and say. to. him what do you think should I continue.

I didn't really do that but he knew Joe. knew it was okay for me to say okay well. stop for now Joe and I'll get back to. you I never did get back to. him. but why didn't you get back with. them I didn't want to go too far I was. doing something outside my purview as. being the guy in that office this and I. just kept my mouth.

shut so you have reason to believe that. Pat Price's death was false and that he. may still be alive doing work no he'd be. well over 100 years old now well at the. time so when I think about all the. shenan an that went on before looked a. awful lot like oh I know what the fourth. one is somebody somebody said oh he. couldn't have been killed by the CIA to.

get rid of him because he went and uh. got his son this thing and got his wife. this thing and you could tell he. was and I'm saying the CIA could made up. all those stories so everybody would go. disc discover those stories H so that's. the. fourth situation interesting and that's. my answer interesting yeah very.

interesting well skip we are uh we are. getting close to time here so I do want. to ask you why was the Stargate program. dismantled it was told to be dismantled. and they created one gal who said no. this is going on and look at so many. percentages of this happened this. happened and the other guy said oh no. it's a bunch of nonsense and this that's. the other it was time for it to be. gone okay do you think they are.

continuing the program different. name why wouldn't they they already had. they already had five other. programs what did I say that what are. those.

programs I've long since not been a part. of that 26 years and 12 years. retirement it's a long time ago and. nobody would have told me. anyways fair enough well skip. I really appreciate you making the trip. out here and um it's just a fascinating. subject and and um it's cool to be. talking to somebody that was a part of.

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