Sheriff Mark Lamb - Fixing the Border Crisis & Defending the Constitution | SRS #119
[Music]. Sheriff Mark Lamb welcome to the show. thank you it's an honor to be on it's an. honor to have you I'm just this is I. love what you do I love all the people. you talk to I love the different uh oh. man the different expertise and. knowledges they bring so this is truly. an honor to be on your show today well. thank you for saying that I you know. I've been following you for several. years now and I've been wanting to talk.
to you but I've been waiting for the. right time and reaching out to people. always always get a little uh uh it. takes me a minute and then we just hired. this guy that's in your District who's. running our social media JD JD and he. like hey you want to what did you call. him nightclaw nightclaw nice nice he's. never going to live the that one down. now but um but yeah so JD connected us. and and um here we are man and and I.
love your message I love what you're. doing you keep it positive you speak. truth you you have you speak Common. Sense which is a rarity now and uh we. got a lot to cover man I'm looking. forward to it but uh so what I want to. do is cover some of your life story and. then go into a lot of the stuff that's. going on in the world like why are all. these criminals being released back onto. the streets you know know you're run for.
Senate how's that going the Border we. got a lot of stuff to dive into but um. everybody gets an introduction first so. here we. go Sheriff Mark Lamb the American. Sheriff your father of five a. grandfather of three married. for almost 30 years to your wife Janelle. grew up outside of the US not military. we'll get into that stuff worked as a. police officer for 6 years before.
transitioning to the Sheriff's. Department. elected as the 24th Sheriff of Pinal. penal County currently serving you are. currently running for the 2024 US senate. seat in. Arizona deeply religious with a strong. faith you established the American. Sheriff Foundation what is that so I. started to Charity My First Year when I. got into uh right as I became sheriff I. knew I wanted to do something so I.
started a charity called the American. Sheriff Foundation which our goal was to. bridge the gap between communities and. law enforcement just through service and. um it was been great uh it's given me an. opportunity to give back to the. communities to help people who in their. need we we do a lot with veterans and so. it's been uh it's just another tool that. gave me the ability to do things in my. community without having to go through. the bureaucracy of government to where I. could actually make actionable change in.
people's lives right away wow that's. awesome you did that when I did that in. 2018 2018 so I took office in 2017 by. the beginning of 2018 I had figured out. what I want had wanted to do and I. started that charity man that's more. people need to do that and the author of. two books and one children's book. American Sheriff rules to live by. American Sheriff Traditional Values in a. modern world and the adventures of.
Seymour Clues that's right and Mr. Mouse nice nice but um couple things. we're going to knock out real quick so. also I have a patreon account patreon is. our that's a subscription account they. are our top supporters they've been here. since the beginning they're the reason I. get to be here my team's here and. they're the reason you get to be here. too and so well thank you patreon yeah. and so one of the things I promise them. is I offer them a opportunity to ask the.
guest a question before they come on and. so we got a couple of good ones here. this one's. from Gregory. Lon what is the most pressing excuse me. what is the most pressing issue. affecting law enforcement officers in. Peno County and throughout the State of. Arizona so I think it's the same thing. not just for panal County I think it's. not just the same thing for Arizona but. the entire country and that is the. border and what I know we're going to.
dive into the Border a lot but just give. you the cliff notes of it I think. National when we talk National Security. the greatest threat to National Security. the greatest threat to the undermining. of the rule of law is beginning right at. the open border situation not holding. people accountable letting them come in. here and break the law then flooding our. communities with Unknown People you know. the the the border patrol is vetting. like 5% of those people and so now these. people they don't once they come across. the border they don't just stay On the.
Border they filter into communities like. mine or in Arizona or across the country. and it creates a real challenge for us. as law enforcement because the federal. government allowed people unvetted. people to come into my community and not. only that we're taking people from third. worlds and expecting that we're not. going to turn into a third world when we. bring them into our communities so the. other piece to that is the fenel not. just the drugs but I think the fenel has. become probably I mean methamphetamine. is still a big issue in Arizona.
but the the fenal poisonings that are. going on in this country and I know. we're going to dive into that deeper but. when we talk about the pre most pressing. matters I think are they're all combined. National Security threats to American. lives threats to our communities it's. starting at the southern. border well we got to you know I hate. diving into that but I love diving into. it because because it needs to be heard. and uh I can't wait to dive into that. discussion.
because I just I don't know what to. believe anymore you know I. don't I don't believe really any media. sources anymore I think they're all over. embellished and uh and so it'll be great. to talk to somebody like you you know. they're over embellished they're Under. reporting and they're telling you the. facts that they want you to want they're. telling you things to to spin it their. way yeah and look I've been accused of. that but but today I'll give you truth. and then let people decide as to whether. or not they but I don't give you things.
that I if I don't know it I'm not going. to give it to you I'm giving you things. that I know because of being on the. ground the people I work with the things. that we see that we talk to all these. things so I I think hopefully in the end. there's going to be a lot of people. listening today that you know are maybe. for it or against it you know and I hope. to just give more information truth. about it and then people can make up. their own mind as to the severity of the. problem I appreciate that I re I really.
appreciate that and the next question is. from Lucas. Kion do you have any context behind the. tunnel system that the cartel has built. to funnel in drugs and potentially. supporting a systematic attack against. America with weaponry and high value. targets relying on that infrastructure. well lcas great question it's not just a. single tunnel it's many tunnels um the. cartel are are a flush with cash they.
have the ability to to build all sorts. of stuff you see a lot of tunnels down. in places like nogalus Arizona and the. reason I mentioned nogalus not that. nogalus is it's just that nogalus is. right on the Mexico border so on one. side of nog Galis is 50,000 residents or. 30 30 to 50,000 residents and on this. other side is 500,000 residents in. Mexico and literally you can have a. house here or a business here a road of.
15 ft the wall a 15t road and businesses. right there again so within 30 40t you. have businesses or houses in Mexico ASO. and businesses and houses in Arizona and. so a lot of times those tunnels will go. from one Factory in in Mexico and then. pop up in in somebody's business or. somebody's home on the US side there's. also there there's tunnels out in the. middle of nowhere too in the deserts but.
right now the tunnels they don't need to. use them as much because the borders are. wide open and so they're pushing people. through more conventional routes as. through as opposed to the tunnels but. they still exist and whenever they find. them they usually destroy them how do. you have an estimation of how many. tunnels there are maybe just in Arizona. I mean it's always changing I mean I. look I think that You' probably got. hundreds I don't know hundreds of. tunnels I mean you're you're at least. got uh every cartel is going to have.
their own pieces of tunnels every every. Smuggler within those cartels has their. way of being able to smuggle the product. remember it's not like the cartel ushers. these people down themselves they have. different smuggling units that work for. the cartels and those guys well the. money they make is based on their. ability to successfully smuggle drugs or. people into this country and so if. you're going to make a ton of money why. would you not um put a a tunnel in place.
that would give you the best opportunity. to smuggle people and drugs across the. border so that you can make the most. money how are they digging these tunnels. by hand how big are they can they walk. some are very like like some of you. could take a railroad little box through. which they do big um most of them are. built at least to where somebody a grown. man could walk in it um they're probably. not built to my height but there many of. them they built they're fortified just.
like you would go into a mine and you. would see these tunnels and some of them. are more rudimental some would be just. you know like you could crawl through it. and get to the other side do you have. any any footage of this stuff no I mean. there are there's plenty of footage from. border patrol and stuff in my County we. don't get the tunnels as much because. I'm I'm not on the border I'm one County. off the Border okay so I'm 52 miles off. the Border where the um on the Indian. Reservation the Tano Indian nation and. then 71 miles off the Border where the I.
10 um where the county line intersects. with the i 10 and so what we've got is. problems of them pushing them through. Backpackers drugs all that coming. through the reservation. predominantly and then anything that. comes across the southern border pretty. much everybody that comes through cois. County Puma County Santa Cruz County. those people eventually are going to get. in a car whether it's the drugs or the. people that are being traffic they're.
going to get on one of our of our. highways and head up to Phoenix and. Phoenix becomes a Distribution Hub for. human trafficking drug trafficking so. they never almost all of them will make. it through panau County at some point. either on our highways or through our. deserts to try to get to Phoenix where. they're will be distributed throughout. the rest of the country man man I just I. get we're going to dive into this a lot. more later what I'm curious about these. tunnels how are they able to you're.
saying they go. from from wherever in Mexico right into. a living room or or some type of a. business how are they how are they uh I. mean how are they locating. that they are good at it how are they. able to navigate into that business you. know a lot of it is just a compass you. know you could just go with a compass. underground and just look and see if. you're still on the on the heading the. right heading I guess they would. probably start in the us and go to.
Mexico they start they do it both ways. so they'll start in the Mexico and a lot. of these people you got to remember they. can pass freely on day visas or some of. these people can come back and forth and. so you might get somebody that goes from. us side and goes over to Mexico and. walks into a factory and they all day. long they dig underneath to try to get. to that over there um there's some very. intricate tunnel tunnel systems that. they've done man and I don't think the. US even fully knows how many tunnels.
there are especially now we're so. overwhelmed that you don't have time to. dedicate to going and finding all these. tunnels and right now the cartels like I. said they don't really even need to. spend a lot of money building these. these tunnels because they're having so. much success just walking them through. the gaps in the fence yeah or you know. or or on the reservation where there's. no wall there's not a single foot of. wall on the reservation at best it's. it's three strands of Barb fence or some.
norbin de. barrier that's it that's. it man well we got a lot to cover I know. but before we're just scratching the. surface on that yeah before we get into. that everybody gets a gift here all. right I don't know if you have any. guesses get guess have zero guesses oh. man there you go oh nice vigilance. League gummy bears made in the USA legal. in all 50 states so you don't have have. to arrest yourself on the way home I.
love it but uh that is cool yeah thank. you you're welcome you're welcome two. bags in it two bags so let's dive in. you're welcome you're welcome appreciate. it just some swag for you put that on. the sheriff's car oh I'm going to see if. anybody notices it thank you you're. welcome but um well Sheriff you're. running for Senate I think that I.
personally think that we've really. gotten away from hearing who the who the. individual is that is running for office. and so I did this with Eli crane I've. done it with uh who's you know you guys. are buddies both from Arizona I'm. getting a lot of people from Arizona. maybe I should move there but um but uh. but anyways what what I was saying is I. think people want to know who the who. the man is behind the candidate you know. who are we Ing and and so I'd like to.
you know get. your get a snapshot of your life story. before we go into a lot of the issues. that we're. facing in this country today and so give. us a better better idea of who you are. who your beliefs are how you were raised. and and and what kind of a person you. are so and I agree with you I think. that's the most important peace you know. we're actually we're asking people to. represent us in the constitutional. republic that this country is. and yet we often times either don't get.
an opportunity or the media is telling. us who that person is as opposed to us. finding out for ourselves who that. person is and so I appreciate the. opportunity because that's one of the. hardest things to deliver is the message. of who am I and what do I bring to the. table and I think once you get into that. people say man I like this guy but. without the way politics is designed. it's just not it's very tough to find.
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descendant of eight of the occupants of. the Mayflower that came here and then. the lamb side came in 1630 on the. windrip fleet no way yeah most of my. ancestors on all sides of my family have. been in America since probably the 1600s. 1700s and so when people ask me where. are you from I'm like I'm I'm American. like I've been hundreds of years in this. country and so that's part of my love of. this country is it's a deep. I think what generation after generation.
of being in this country you start to. develop a real deep appreciation and. love for it but I was born and raised in. Hawaii my dad was a businessman he was a. graduate of Thunderbird business college. which is a global business management. school probably one of the Premier um. international schools in the country and. um so we were raised other places I grew. up in Hilo Hawaii and uh didn't know. anything different we were raised there. we were I was just little howy kid in. Hawaii which makes for a good upbringing.
because you learn to be tough real quick. I'll bet I mean Hawaii is a warrior. culture anyway and then being a minority. in a in a warrior culture you're forced. to be raised right there with those. Warriors and so we grew up at 11 my dad. moved to the Philippines so we all went. there spent a year in the Philippines we. didn't have a lot of money so we lived. like most Filipinos do riding the Jeep. knes and and and uh really got to look.
at poverty at that point I remember at a. young age at 11 years old I got a real. glimpse of poverty you know in my book I. my first chapter in my book American. Sheriff Traditional Values in the modern. world the very first chapter is welcome. to America and I talk about the. different places I've lived and the. different things that I learned from. each one but every time you come home to. America no matter where you've been no. matter how beautiful those countries are. you just feel like kissing the ground. you know it's that welcome to America.
what brought you to what brought your. dad to the Philippines so my dad was uh. he was doing some government contracts. for you know they would leave equipment. for they would leave equipment in India. they would do a project in India leave. equipment in India and and then they. would put it out to a contract to say. okay go if some somebody will will. contract with somebody to go pick up the. equipment in India or um government. surplus stuff uh we also were scrap.
metal so we did scrap metal that was our. primary business as I grew up so we. would collect scrap metal and then we'. ship it off to different places and and. they would remake steel out of it um so. we did a lot of that as kids most of my. life was spent doing scrap metal what we. did in in the Philippines didn't work. and so we were there for a year and. moved back to Arizona kind of a. regrouping and so I went to Junior High. and High School in Arizona Chandler.
Arizona and then my Dad decided to move. to Panama my Dad loved Panama they used. the American dollar there's a lot of. real American influence and at the time. Panama still had all the American bases. they hadn't turned it over to the. Panamanian government yet thanks to. Jimmy Carter um they hadn't done that. yet and so we loved living there I start. I spent all my Summers there I was there. during operation just cause which I. write about in my book that's crazy I'll. dive into that how old were you I was 17.
operation you remember that not only do. I remember it we'll dive into it now all. right like I was I was a kid who wanted. to be in the military so I loved all. that stuff I was my dad never owned guns. but I kept buying guns like I bought a. lever action 3030 and and so I was into. guns and all that stuff anyway and I'm. in Panama and tensions are rising they. had roughed up a marine and his wife um. I think they had killed somebody else.
and so. norga and was getting at odds with the. American government um and I think you. know you hear about it I don't can't say. why but Nora finally just told the the. government I'm not your Bo Whipping Boy. anymore and decides he's not going to. listen to him anymore and as we know. Nora was a big part of trafficking. cocaine and all those things through. Panama all that stuff and so Nora had. his dignity battalion. and the US tensions were rising and so.
went to bed one night I think it was um. not long before Christmas and just a. couple days before Christmas and my mom. comes in and wakes me up at like 1: in. the morning and she said Mark they're. bombing they're bombing and so we had. the 10th floor on this place called Puna. which is out on the point of of of of. part of Panama City that overlooks the. bay into Old Panama and so I run out to.
the balcony and sure enough I mean I'm. watching Trac arounds hit these. buildings skipping off into the ocean. I'm watching gunships shooting uh. machine gun fire on all we had all four. views we could go see I could see there. was four Navy Seals that died that night. on the airst strip in in ptaa I could. see that firefight going on from my from. our apartment that night w and so it was. a full-on just right in the middle of.
this war you know there this you know. somebody says it wasn't War I mean but. it was certainly a military uh exercise. and where they're they're bombing. shooting um and you're 17 I'm 17 I what. are you thinking at 17 cool. think um but then it was we didn't have. any. so where the building we were in that. night I remember looking over the. balcony and I see this limousine down at.
the bottom of our building and I'm. watching this guy load an RPG into the. trunk of the car this. limousine little did I know that night. we found out the next day they had a. list of all the Americans in our. building there was Americans on the. third floor there was Americans on the. fourth floor there was Americans on the. 10th floor which was us and there was. Americans on the 11th floor and most of. in Panama when you're an American and. you're not military they think you're.
CIA so they they come into the building. and they go they bust into the third. floor but the people on the third floor. had managed to jump over the balcony. down to the second floor so then they. take and they go to the fourth floor. they bust into the fourth floor and they. Capt they kidnap the guy that's in there. on the fourth floor they take him which. by the way they found him a few days. later dead in a ditch shot to death um. they believed him to be a CIA but was a. professor at the college which I think.
he was probably CIA too but um they. found him dead a few days later so the. next Americans from the fourth floor. Were Us and the power went out and so. they couldn't make it up any further it. was too too much stairs they were on a. time crunch and so unbeknownst to us we. dodged a major bullet that night wow um. so then the dignity Battalion Le how. when did you find out that the we knew. the next day they had taken them because.
all the the residents in the building. said hey there's lutters and dignity. Battalion are breaking into peoples they. came in they took they took this guy. from the fourth floor last night we need. to stand guard of our own building. because there was no the military wasn't. coming by we didn't see the military for. four and a half days nobody they came. and took Americans from our building we. didn't see anybody for 4 days not to. mention Nora's Bill girlfriend lived. next door and nobody came to his. building um which is where I think he.
was the whole time by the way but that. so what they said was hey we had all. these people in the building that. actually there was a couple Jewish guys. and some other people that had guns they. had an Uzi they had N9 millimet they had. a lever action. 3030 and so they said look we we got to. we got to guard our own building if not. they're going to come back for more the. the looters will come or the dignity. Battalion will come and take more people. and so they decided that we were all.
going to Pony up and we were all going. to guard our building I'm 17 years old. and my T my job was from midnight to. 6:00 a.m. every morning I spent. Christmas morning that year with a gun. standing out front of our building um. and I remember one time over the radio. they they were they said hey they're. coming they're coming and I'm like I. know enough about guns to know that they. have AK-47s and I have an lever action. 3030. and I'm like I thought well I may only.
get one shot off but I'm going to make. this shot count shoot from cover my. friend shoot from cover I'm I'm thinking. where am I even going to go and uh. luckily they didn't come but I spent. four days going back and forth or every. night doing a patrol or doing a survey. uh security detail at our building. holding a gun at 17 years old from uh. midnight to 6:00 a.m. until the military. showed up for how long did this go on. for so the military showed up about four.
or five days later and they had kind of. gotten things under control by then but. for the first three or four days it was. chaos my dad left within the first 30. minutes of them bombing cuz my dad's. kind of was kind of crazy like that and. my dad went out and he got stuck out. there and had to hide in the bushes in. the in a ditch until the next morning. when he was able to work his way back to. our building because of all the dignity. Battalion running around. I mean it was craziness that first night.
holy cow man I had no idea 17 years old. that is uh quite the experience for a. 17-year-old yeah but I love I mean. honestly there was parts of it that I. love but there was other parts of it. that you're thinking but it wasn't one. once again what it did was it. reestablished the love of America that. you can put your head down on your. pillow at night and for the most part up. until recently know that you're going to. be safe you can sleep good at night you. know how it is you've been in there you.
when you go to these places you just. never sleep good at night because you. just don't know what's going on and per. case in point you know it went from. full-on blown Invasion one night so it's. makes you appreciate America and the. stability that exists in this country um. really because Hard Men and are willing. to to hold guns and and go out and. protect our communities at night do you. have any brothers and sisters. so I have two brothers and a sister I'm.
the youngest of four my two oldest. Brothers um then I have a sister and. then there's me um I'm the baby of the. family right on right on what were they. doing were they my sister was there that. night but my two brothers my one brother. was um on a mission in Ecuador and then. I think my other brother. was he was there too he lived there but. he just lived in a different part of. Panama so we were all he was there with. his family and we were in our apartment.
um in. Puna and so and then from there um when. I was 19 I lived moved to Argentina I. was a missionary in Argentina for two. years how was loved it what what is what. do you do on a mission so you preach the. gospel you go down and you just go and. talk to people about God and Jesus. Christ and tell them about scriptures. and and um you know everybody's looking. for something I think you know this life. is about finding our way back to God and.
I think being able to go be a missionary. is a really amazing experience because. yes you find some you you go through. some hard things but at the same time. you find people that are really at a. point in their life where they're. vulnerable and they're they're ready. they're waiting for something and to be. able to be that person that shows up and. shares with them a message of of God. Jesus Christ and and see their life. change and see that empty cup fill is is.
an amazing thing but you know look it's. it puts hair on your chest too at a. young age I mean I was 19 years old and. I basically just got on a plane and flew. to Argentina and the first guy that I. was a companion with was this little. short uh Argentine of Italian descent. with red hair didn't speak a he was a. first generation at Argentine he didn't. speak a lick a lick of English did you. speak Spanish I mean rudimental I mean.
what they teach you like in a in a. couple months of I could say my name I. could so I could do those things but and. I had learned a little bit of Spanish in. Panama having to spend a lot of time. there but you show up and here's this. guy that's your companion now you don't. know and I we we went four hours into. the countryside into a place called um. saladish in Argentina and I remember. that first night The Night the Lights. were getting ready to go out I don't.
know who this guy is next to me I am. looking at two years I'll be here for 2. years I'm laying on a bed my mattress. was this thick it was on a door that was. propped up on boxes of books and I. remember laying down the light goes off. and I. thought what am I doing where am I at. cuz there's no cell phones no nothing. yeah I mean we wrote letters I got to. talk call home three times in or three.
or four times in two years wow Mother's. Day and. Christmas that's it you don't speak. other than that letters we write letters. and you'd send a letter it took three. weeks to get home so if you needed any. money there was no sense asking because. by the time the letter got home and by. the time you got anything back it was. six weeks six weeks man so you learn how. to be on your own so when you go on a. mission trip. how how do you determine who you're.
going to talk to and actually let me. we'll get to there how do you figure out. where you're going who decides that so. the church does so typically they'll. have all these a board full of all the. missions throughout the world and. there's all all over the world I mean. Mongolia I mean all Central and South. America Europe all throughout the United. States for example my two boys have gone. to Boise Idaho and Phil pH ad alphia so. that's where they did their missions but.
I was so what they do is they have this. whole board full of missions and they. know who's Miss who's lacking where they. need to fill it so they might take your. name Sean Ryan puts in I want to go on a. mission and you tell them a little bit. about yourself and submit the paperwork. and then they look at it and. say well we think we should put him in. Ukraine and then they put you in there. and then they pray about and if they. feel good about it they leave it there.
if they don't they'll take you off and. put you somewhere else until they feel. good about it so obviously My name got. thrown in. Argentina and they felt good about it. and I ended up there and it was. absolutely the place I was supposed to. be and so it was uh great experience. because every day we go out and we just. look for people we knock doors which out. there you actually don't even knock. doors cuz you usually stand out in front. of their house and clap and out and. usually tell you to pounce.
inand what I mean what is what's your. opener what do you start talking I mean. so you're clapping outside somebody's. door they come out they don't tell you. to pound. sand what do you say you know usually we. just say look up we're missionaries of. the Church of Jesus Christ latter of. saints and we're just here to share a me. message about God do you believe in God. you know immediately you want to get. into questions. and get them to because if they'll.
answer questions like cells if they'll. answer questions you know that you've. kind of got them on the hook a little. bit and I don't mean that in a bad way I. mean it in a in a good way but in the. cells way um this is why I end up in CS. after that because you're just and then. if they say yes I believe in God and you. know Jesus Christ and you know you'll. start asking them you know what is your. relationship can we come in and talk to. you some more about this and then we. won't go into the house and and begin to. talk to him and it's one of those deals.
like you're not going to be successful. most of the time but when you are. successful it's worth it yeah yeah is. this is this like. a I interviewed another gentleman who's. in the Church of flatter day say it's. Brandon Fugal he was a big he's done a. lot of mission stuff as well is this. like a write of passage in the Church of. latterday. saints It really used to be um nowadays. they're a little bit more. you know it's not as there still have.
more missionaries now than ever but back. in the day like it was a it was a. non-negotiable you have to do it I. wanted to do it like my life was geared. towards going on a mission like every. decision I made the friends I chose. everything was designed to keep me in a. position to where I was qualified to. still go on a mission so I avoided. people that were going to take me I've. never drank alcohol in my life I don't. smoke I don't do drugs I don't do any of. that stuff never have and I I surrounded.
myself with friends that would take me. to the same goals you know like hey. here's and trust me I had friends along. the way that I had really good friends. but they started to deviate from where I. wanted to be and so you you you don't. change course you just have to shift and. and they move on and you pick up people. that are going to really get you to. where you want to be and I was fortunate. enough to have friends that we all. believe the same thing we all had the. same goal we were all going to go on our. mission and um I really love it because.
I think it makes them it makes men and. women out of kids you know nowadays. these kids are still living with their. parents into their 20s or they don't. even know anything about life you I got. thrown in a country the other side of. the continent and I was uh had to fend. for myself like there was nobody there. there was no Mom and Dad telling me what. to do or how to do this or that I had to. learn Spanish like we say AA I had to. learn how to speak Spanish like the hard. way MH and but it I wouldn't change it.
for for anything and you meet people. that are still I'm still close to people. from Argentina just because you just. become so ingrained in who they are you. live you're in their houses every day. you're experiencing things that you just. don't get that's a that's a two-year. portion of your life where you'll. probably have more spiritual experiences. in that two years than you will the rest. of your life interesting and it really. gives you some fuel to kind of stay on.
course throughout the rest of your life. as well is that true for you that's. absolutely true for me spiritual. experiences in those two years. absolutely I mean I just had some really. amazing experiences I mean granted I've. been able to do a lot but I challenge. myself consistently I think when you're. challenging yourself and your greatness. and you're trying to push yourself. outside of the the Comfort levels that. you were that we all have inside of us. the the the boundaries of comfort. um when you push yourself outside of. that you will find that you will have.
more spiritual experiences because. you're you're on faith at that point. what is your most profound spiritual. experience while in Argentina I have not. told this one to very many people at all. probably I don't even know if my kids. will know it so when they hear it. they'll they'll they'll we were um we. there was three of us I actually. normally it's just two of you but we. happen to be three of us at that point I. had one guy from Argentina one guy from. from America they were new and so I was. training them and we had had a rough day.
everything had gone wrong that day like. the appointments had all been cancelled. and and so we're just like let's just go. back to the pension which is the. apartment let's go back to the pension. and uh let's just call it call it a day. and as we were kind of we cross this. road we see this old man just old and. dirty and clothes are all tattered long. hair head down. beard just old bum like a just what you.
would think is a bum so he's crossing. the road and we get to the other side. and we stop and we all three look at. each other and we're. like do we just go home or should we. turn around and help this guy what. should we do and so finally we uh we. said let's just go help this guy so by. the time we crossed back across the. street he was trying to get up over the. curb and he started to fall and my we.
got there just in time and we catch him. and so we couldn't we kept asking him. where are you going and he was just kind. of. mumbling so there was a for about 30 40. maybe 30 yards away there was a kiosk. which is where it's a little store in. the side of a building somebody's house. where they sell milk and candy and food. and so we start walking towards the. kiosk and it literally takes us 30. minutes or more to walk 30 yards because.
this guy can't walk he's just shuffling. along and so by the time we get to this. kiosk the sun has gone down and now. we're standing under this kiosk much. like we are in this room and there's a. light above us and um the guy I had none. of us had seen the guy's face and so we. asked the kiosk guy we're like who is. this guy he says oh he lives right over. there just a couple doors down at that. house. and he said we saidwell what does he.
usually get here and they said he gets. milk and candles and we said okay well. give us the milk and the candles so. we're standing there. and he looks. up and it's the face of. Christ. whoa. clean. clear doesn't say anything and I look at. the other two guys with me and we just. looked at each other and we were just.
like what are we. seeing he put his head back down and we. never saw his face. again we took him we got his candle we. got his milk and we're freaked out at. this point cuz we're just thinking what. did we just go through I mean he just. locked eyes with me just looked up. looked at me like this. and look back.
down so we walked this guy over we put. him in this little um we walked through. this gate and in this room was a little. storage. closet and this is where he lives it was. no bigger than he had a chair in the. storage closet a bunch of Chunk behind. him he had a table with old candles and. we put his milk on his c table and his. candles and on the way there he's like. who are you we just said we're just. angels from our Lord taking you home so.
2 days later we show back up we're. knocking on the door nothing we asked. these kids out playing we're like Hey. where's the guy that lives here and they. said oh he died two nights. ago can you can you can you go back how. many days had passed two days two days. so we would gone that was like a Monday. night Wednesday we went by his house and. he had died Monday night. and. uh to this day if I see those two.
missionaries when I every now and then I. talk to one of those guys and we'll. always say do you remember that old guy. wow. wow and what it was for me is it taught. you a lesson. that um Christ is in the things that you. least. expect God is in the things that you. least inspect if you judge a book by its. cover if you see it for the dirtiness.
and the the bum and this and that um you. miss the opportunities you miss where. Christ truly is and for. us in that moment you realize I'm going. to do I'm going to be treat everybody. the same because you never know who. you're talking to you never know who it. is it's a great l listen man and you can. see why I don't tell the story very.
often. yeah that's profound wow so things like. that that was you just have one. experience after another that uh just. truly tell you that you know God and. Jesus Christ live and and it really puts. into perspective everything that we deal. with in life which is really what helps. me get through my profession politics I. understand that's not what life is about. out life has a whole different thing.
life is about your relationship with God. you come here you get a body and your. ability to prove yourself your ability. to show who you are whether you're going. to push through and find the greatness. that you have in you or whether you're. not and the key is are you going to be. distracted by all what life gives you. the bills the family problems the jobs. um the politics all the the teror stuff. you see in this life you your job is to.
realize that's not what's important what. is important and the purpose of this. life is to establish your relationship. with God and to develop who you are as a. person and everything else is designed. to build that the experiences you go. through build that how long did it take. you to come to this conclusion you know. I've always been a person that's born. with faith like I've been a faithful. person that knows that God exists and. those types of things but um just over.
time you know when you when you get in. and you test your faith and you start to. see that that there is something on the. other side of that then it becomes less. and less faith and more and more. knowledge that that these exist and it's. really just a lifetime of it no don't. get me wrong you get those times where. life life will continue to throw harder. and harder things at you and to really. test to see if you can dig down deeper.
and deeper and so yeah over time it's. just polished up when did. you when did you know when did you when. did. you I mean for me it was what 40 we kind. of talked a little bit about my journey. to Faith at breakfast this morning but. with you when you were born into the. church of latterday. saints you had this experience in. Argentina when did you when did you know.
for a fact like this is this is real I. would say I've I know this is going to. sound funny but I've always known really. like I've just grown up with. this no doubt as to what it was so by. the time I go on my mission I feel like. I was ready for experiences that were. going to only add to that knowledge and. so I while I knew there's knowing but. then there's going and and learning even.
more understanding the scriptures at a. deeper level sharing with It sharing. your testimony with other people um. putting your putting your your you know. your putting your money where your mouth. is actions you know how many times have. you told you got people that tell you. they know and they they they act like. they know but who actually goes out and. does it you know that's really what. matters is can you are you a person that. can actually show me can you does your.
actions tell me uh that you are that. person and so I knew it but it gave me. the ability to develop it and I feel. blessed because I feel like I was. blessed and I know a lot of folks like. yourself that it came later in life and. for all of us there's the timing is. different um and you know you might say. well I wish I would have known sooner. well knowing sooner doesn't always isn't. always the best thing you know because. it presents itself for the lifelong of. challenges that now like you've come to.
it and you've already kind of swed some. life you've lived some life I have to. now try to I know it so I'm expected to. live a certain life that throughout my. whole life because I know what's right I. know what's what's good I know I'm not. here to disappoint God or Jesus Christ. makes sense well thank you for sharing. that that's uh very few people know that. story so not anymore yeah. anymore but all right so what happens.
after you leave Argentina so I come back. home and uh I wanted to Panama went back. to Panama actually went to school for. just a few like a month or two months as. this ain't for me I remember I wrote a. paper in English about guns about the. Second Amendment and uh I got out see. and and the notes on there it wasn't. because of the grammar it wasn't because. of the writing style it was clearly that. my teacher disagreed with me politically.
and so at that point I said College. isn't for me I don't need it so I go. back to Panama and I'm working in Panama. I actually got scouted by the Giants and. by the Royals playing baseball in Panama. no kidding yeah and um so I'm in Panama. working and I had just met my wife two. weeks prior to going to Panama kind of. threw a wrench things so I meet her at a. dance and I take her out like the next.
day and we dated for two weeks straight. so then I go to Panama and I'm in Panama. for like four months and I I tell I. thought I I said you know I'm going to. go back and date my date Janelle and so. I went back dated her for two more weeks. and then asked her to marry me no kiding. yeah and you guys have been married for. 30 years 30 years congratulations thank. you but I was going to join the military. and when I lived in Panama I was playing.
softball and baseball with all military. guys and I was like hey so what do you. guys do when there's nothing going on. they're like ah you know I don't know. and I realized I probably wasn't with. the 11 Bravo guys I wasn't with infantry. guys I wasn't with Navy Seals I was. probably more with you know. Transportation clerical guys that type. of thing and they're like ah don't. bother don't bother so I missed that one. window that's the one regret I have in. life was I wished I would have gone into. the military cuz it's really what I.
wanted to do as a kid anyway and so. instead I come back I get married and. next thing you know boom I got five. kids it wasn't that fast but I mean it. felt pretty fast I had five kids in six. and A2 years man I you had mention that. at breakfast and I don't know how you. did that my wife is a saint I got two we. get no sleep oh. we it's a lot and then as they get older. there's different sets of challenges.
that present themselves but yeah so next. thing you know I'm I'm I'm 30 years old. I got five kids and 911 happens so now. I'm back to looking at going to the. military and I'm 30 and I'm thinking how. do I make this work financially but I. couldn't but I knew I wanted to do. something I wanted to do some type of. service the thought of being a cop never. crossed my mind never I'd never grown up. thinking I was going to be a cop I was.
drive by cops I was like those freaking. cops I was not a police officer Guy and. um so 30 years old I'm looking at the. military and I just financially I just. couldn't make it work it just wasn't to. leave my wife with five kids small kids. yeah to go into boot camp and I probably. I was looking at I wanted to do special. forces and so you know there's just. there's a lot of time that you're not. going to be with your family. I just couldn't do it and so went back.
to. owning I worked on a dairy at the time I. worked on a dairy and then I knocked out. my boss what yeah like a dairy farm yeah. so I was working on a dairy my brother. was a processor for the dairy where they. process the milk and he gets me this job. on the dairy I'm actually where I milk. the. cows and I'd been there for a few years. and loved the job. my wife had just had our fifth baby five.
days before this experience and so we. had this owner and the owner was hard to. deal with he did your wife does your. wife work did she work at that time no. so you're raising a a of five kids on. you're supporting a wife and five kids. milk and cows milk and cows what is I'd. been my own business owner but I but I. decided to go with the cow you know the. dairy stuff and so it didn't pay. anything it paid like I don't know three.
grand a month or why did you leave what. kind of businesses did you run I had. sales business Pest Control businesses. marketing stuff that kind of stuff and. it had been good but um I was I was. trying to find myself yeah I was trying. to find where I was supposed to be and I. was struggling with that and so I I. loved agriculture stuff I loved cattle I. thought let me go be a d men I want to. be a Rancher anyway and I can learn. about cows and I can learn about cow.
health no better way to do it than at. the dairy so I loved it it was a great. job but the owner was tough to deal with. and so the owner had two brothers that. and his dad is who I worked with the. owner lived in Salt Lake City and so the. owner would come down on the weekends. and just caused nothing but grief ton of. work extra work and treated his brothers. like. crap for my sister who's listening to. this I'm going to apologize ahead of. time because it was her dad but um he.
comes down and he's always talking to. his brothers and so at one point he goes. to my he he says to his brothers we were. there that day and we had lost like. three cows and it wasn't a good day and. each cow's worth 2500 bucks it's cold. it's not going well and he shows up and. he's mad about something and he calls. one of his brothers and he tells his. brother. and I kept telling my other brother I. was like if he takes the lord's name in. vain one more time I'm going to knock.
him. out and he um he shows up and he's. yelling at his brother on the phone and. I'm sitting there taking a leak and I. and as soon as he hangs up his brother's. like man I knew we shouldn't have done. this or that I didn't say a thing I. zipped up I walked out walked straight. up to that office open the door and I. said is there a problem here and he said. you're I'm right there's a problem I. said hey hey we didn't need you down. here today anyway he said what did you.
just say to me I said you heard what I. said I said we didn't need you down here. today anyway and he goes don't you tell. me and I said don't you stick your. finger in my. face and he looks at me and he has this. moment of like what am I going to do now. insubordination and and so he gives me. one of these little forefinger pushes. right here in my. chest and I shove him back further back. than what you are and he comes back and. now he's in my book I have a chapter.
called it's not a fight until you meet. resistance and so he now has a choice to. make is he going to let me is pride. going to take over or is he going to. come to his senses that this is not. going to be good what is going to happen. and I'm watching him process this in his. face as he's I've been in fights before. so I'm watching him process this in his. face and he comes at me with with that. look in his eye like he made the. decision that he was not going to let me. uh disrespect him Pride one out and he.
had his hand clenched and he got with. them Striking Distance and I bam and I. hit him with a clean right and knocked. him down knocked him out and he hit the. ground and when he hit the ground he. kind of came back to and he's trying to. struggle to get to his feet his hands. and knees and then he kind of gets up. and his glasses are all crooked and his. face is bleeding and I steady him and. ready to just crush him with another. right and he says get out of here with.
defeated get out of here and I. said I'm out I quit walked out went home. walked in the door and my wife has a. 5-year-old five day old baby number five. and she looks at me and. says uh what are you doing home so early. I said well I don't work at the dairy. anymore she goes what happened I go I. just knocked out. Gordon and so so hold on you said this.
is who your sister-in-law this is my. sister-in-law's dad so does that mean. that's your wife's dead no it's my. brother's father-in-law so okay yeah wow. and my brother called me he was angry. he's like what are you doing and my. brother's a fighter too and my brother. calls me he's really angry and I said. John I said I told you I wasn't going to. be disrespected and I said he wrote the. check and I cashed it I didn't come in. here looking for a fight but I certainly. was I told you I'm not dealing with this.
anymore and so he's like all right all. right all right and so I ended up uh. leaving there and started getting back. into uh the private business started a. paintball store a paintball store I. started a paintball store in that town. that down no kidding yeah how'd that. business go it went great tell Walmart. came in I mean what what did your wife. say when uh you got a five a five day. old baby and you just got fired and. you're said I mean my wife's same I'm.
going to start a paintball store my. wife's the same I had been playing. paintball so I loved it and so when I. knocked when I punched him and had to. leave the job she said what are you. going to do now and I said I don't know. I'll start a paintball store and so we. did and uh what did she say what did she. say to the pain store my wife is one of. those women that just cut from a. Different Cloth she good with it she's. on the team like we're we're a team and. she was she was like okay I'm sure.
internally she probably was angry. but um she uh she's a supporter so on. man so we uh did that then Walmart comes. into town and overnight killed my. business how so well the the internet. was on the rise because this was like in. 2003 so the internet cells were were. Rising and so was um Walmart starting to.
carry paintball stuff and so immediately. you know like Walmart doesn't have the. same markups that I have and the. internet same thing they didn't have the. same markups and so it really just kind. of killed my CS overnight and we were at. a point where you just couldn't sustain. yourself with multiple bad. months um ultimately I had to protect my. brother who was kind of an in with me I. had to declare a chapter uh 13.
bankruptcy oh man and the problem with. 13 if you don't know 13 is you you pay. back your debts I had. $117,000 in debt when I went into. bankruptcy court it was one of the most. to be able to go to Bankruptcy Court was. one of the worst things we had a van and. the van had that the week that I paid. the van off I had to go and get a title. loan just so that I could drive I had. enough money to drive back to Utah for. bankruptcy court and everybody in there.
had boats and toys and all these things. and I literally had. $117,000 of debt from the. business and I had to declare bankruptcy. and I had to pay $900 a month so my wife. and I had to move back to Arizona and. live with my mom in a three-bedroom. apartment while I paid $900 a month with. five kids with five kids we had five. kids kids four of my kids were in one. room and the baby was in our. room and um and my mom was in the other.
room wow and so I felt pretty low at. that point you know you're just. thinking I've completely failed yeah. I've completely failed and I remember. one day my wife hadn't come back yet and. I my mom was like hey it's time to go to. church and I went to go to church and I. was getting ready and I did something. and I ripped my pants. and I sat down on the chair and I was. like I'm not going I'm done I'm I'm. sitting right here I'm not doing.
anything and it was at that low of. feeling sorry for yourself MH and then. frankly nothing changed other than I. just had this attitude of like it's your. fault stop having a negative attitude. see things for what the world is trying. to do for you as opposed to against you. and in that moment it changed my entire. life ripped my pants didn't go to church. and instead of being a victim I just. said you know what I'm no longer a.
victim I'm taking life and so nothing. dramatically changed but everything. changed for me at that. moment man that's a great quote that you. just said and I could use that advice a. lot in my life even the current day. think about what the world is trying to. do for you instead of what it's doing. against you yes I think a lot of us. could use. little do we know we are so. blinded walking down a dark hallway that.
you don't realize that God or the. universe or whatever you believe in is. opening one door after another but. you're too caught up in your own. emotions to see what's going on you're. angry you're you're you're unhappy and. you're failing to see the open doors. that if you would just walk in any one. of those rooms the lights on in there. and there's good stuff in there and so I. chose to start seeing things different.
and at that point everything. changed and within a within months I was. out of my mom's house I had started a. landscape business with some. friends um. and within a few years I bought a house. and then I ended up in law enforcement. that's a different story but that's that. was the point where I needed to be for. for to get where God needed me to. go I needed to be I needed to have that.
wakeup moment because when you look back. on your life you realize everything was. happening the right way you just didn't. want to see it mhm and don't ever look. back and think I shouldn't have done. that you know there's a show Vikings if. you ever watch Vikings um one of my. favorite parts of Vikings is Ragnar has. two boys his two youngest boys and his. two youngest boys are finally at an age. where they get to go out and and and do. the uh pillaging and all that stuff and.
so he gets them in the boat and as. they're sailing away from the shore the. two boats the two kids have their hands. on the edge of the boat looking back. towards the shore where their mom and. where safety is and then with Ragnar is. looking forward and without even missing. a beat he doesn't even look back at his. boys and he said don't waste your time. looking back you're not going that. direction it's the truth don't waste. your time looking back you're not going. that Direction you're going forward and. so what we what I've always done is just.
since then I've just looked forward and. everything that happened I'm going to. take what I needed to learn from that. and now I look back and I see the things. that needed to happen the way they. happened so that I would end up right. here where I'm at today I wouldn't have. gotten here if I wouldn't have been. through all those things what was it. that what was it that changed your. attitude in that. moment I don't even know what it was I. really can't even remember it was just I. was so low that I think something inside.
of me just said stop being a [ __ ] this. is you this is your. fault and I realized I was like it is me. you know my favorite book is as a man. thinketh by James Allen if you haven't. read it it's a short book and it's an. amazing book and I'll probably share a. quote from it later on in the show but. really the book is about you are the. master of your fate everything you have. in your life is because of you or. whatever you don't have is because of.
you you're the there is nobody else that. is the artist in your life it's you so. if your life is not going great it's not. circumstances you blame circumstances. only reveal to the man who he is they. don't make the man circumstances reveal. the man to who he is and then those in. that moment and instead of looking at. the circumstances is making me I looked. at it and said those circumstances have.
now made me see who I am and what I need. to change and so then I started moving. forward from there and it was really. nothing in particular other than me just. having a an a a moment with myself. saying you want to change it you change. it that's the only thing that can change. it nobody can do it for you and the only. people that are the masters of your life. and your fate are you. that's amazing one more question what.
happened to your dad so my dad uh and. you know it's kind of sad because my dad. lived in Panama and my dad was a. crazy kind of a genius type guy he loved. to read and was he was kind of. challenging the federal government he. was challenging him on how they obtain. the Panama Canal and um they didn't like. him um the Obama Administration didn't. like him and so he was constantly. fighting with him because when you.
really look at this is a whole another. conversation but you look at the history. of the Panama Canal and we basically. just took it we just took it we took the. land we took the canal we we we bankrupt. you know Ferdinand deop the Frenchman. who was building it I'm not going to get. into all that but suffice to say my dad. loved all that and so he would read. Congressional records and he would read. all these things and and he spent a lot. of time in Panama well my dad actually. got a pair of boots a new pair of boots. and he had diabetes Old Farm Boy didn't. really take care of himself got a.
blister that blister didn't go away for. years almost lost his foot a couple. times ultimately one day my cousin found. him in the in the our apartment um in. Panama and he had had a stroke and then. he went to the doctor and never came out. of it between stroke and heart attack he. died in. 2014 my brother called me and told me he. says Hey Dad not doing good and I had. been get I'd gotten these calls before. and I said this is different I'm coming.
so my wife was a flight attendant so I. jumped on a flight I was able to fly. this was like I don't know I think it. was Sunday or Monday so Wednesday I I'm. able to get on a flight and he said I. said how's Dad doing he's like he's not. doing good so I fly from Phoenix I land. in either Houston or Dallas I think it. was Houston and I call and I found out. my dad had passed away oh man so I. finished my flight got down to Panama.
was there for you know the day that he. died was able to go to the hospital and. we did the funeral and all that stuff. and and um but yeah he's he's buried in. Panama died from ultimately kind of. complications from diabetes but uh. stroke and heart attack but I started to. tell you the the the hard part is my dad. would have been really proud of what. I've done being the sheriff cuz he. didn't see that he knew I was. considering running in 2014 that I was. kind of laying the groundwork that I.
decided in 2011 so by 2014 he knew where. I was what what the goal was the end. goal so he would have been he would have. loved to seen it and right he'd be. Tickle Pink knowing that uh I was. running for Senate as well that I do fox. interviews all the time and Newsmax and. oh man he would have been proud as proud. as a peacock. right on man right. on so you got to you go into law.
enforcement that was happen stance I was. uh back to owning my own businesses and. knew there was something I was missing. there was just I I've always known that. I needed to play a larger role in in. America and in whatever and here I own. my own businesses but just wasn't quite. content and um my neighbor says hey you. want to go on a ride along. I'm like sure let's do it how old are. you I'm 33 years old at this point 33.
years old made pretty good money. self-employed I go on this one ride. along and it was on an Indian. Reservation the Salt River P americop. Indian Community we go on a graveyard. shift and so one of the calls we go on. is a dad who had found a 20-year-old. with his 14-year-old daughter so the dad. and the guy get into a scuffle the guy. runs out the back and if you're familiar. with how the re is it is um the res will. have like a house and then behind it. will be nothing and then maybe an old.
abandoned travel trailer well that's how. this was so I don't know why but they. let me out of the car I'm out there. armed with a flashlight and courage you. know walking around like I know what I'm. doing I walk up to the soer Bandon. travel trailer and I see what I think. inside of all this travel trailer is all. this trash and clothes and just old junk. in there but I see what I think is a. quarter of skin in there and I'm like. hey I think this guy's in.
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nationwide so they go in move all the. stuff sure enough he's there they grab. him they rough him up tase him put him. in cuffs I went home that morning woke. my wife up and I said honey I'm be a. [Applause]. cop 6 months later I was in the academy. and on my way to being a cop and what a. life I've always loved MMA I've loved. you know the UFC um and so I thought man. wait a second you get to carry a gun you.
get to drive fast if people get outline. you get to rough them up and that's the. job I'm like sign me up and um and then. when I got into it I really realized. that I found my place you know I'm a. Believer in this country and the. founding fathers were very specific as. to what I think the rule of law and law. enforcement is the backbone of America. so you could there are other countries. with that that are democracies ours is.
not we are a constitutional republic. they will these politicians will tell. you all the time oh it's a threat to. democracy it's a threat to De no we're. not a democracy democracy is Mob rule. democracy means that the loudest voice. gets the attention a constitutional. republic is different the constitutional. republic is the consent of the Govern we. get to dictate what happens and we. Representatives back to DC or to the. state to do so we are a constitutional.
republic but there are other countries. that are democracies and there are other. countries that have constitutions albeit. their countries tell them what their. constitutions tell the people what they. can and cannot do our constitution tells. the government what they can and cannot. do and so really what defines America is. the rule of law our ability to maintain. order our ability to live by a set of. principles and rules that's what makes. America different from these other. countries and that the fact that you can.
have for the most part you know I think. there are people who distrust police but. for trust me in this country you can. trust the police far more than you can. in other. countries but the foundy father said. something in the Preamble the very first. charge of the Constitution is not found. in the the Articles it's not found in. the Declaration of Independence excuse. me in the um the Bill of Rights it is. actually found in the Preamble of the. Constitution when the founding father. said we the people of the United States.
in order to form a more perfect union. establish. justice they knew how important that. that would be to a functioning Republic. and so when I got into the rule of when. I got into law enforcement I understand. and I understood how important the job I. was doing was and um and I loved it I. felt blessed to be able to do that job. on a daily basis and be able to go out. and protect my community and do. something that I think was imperative.
and and vital to America and our. survivability where was this was this in. was this in Arizona or Utah so it was at. the Salt River pum Maricopa Indian. Community which is right next to Mesa TP. and Scottsdale Arizona okay and uh spent. six years a little over six years there. and I most of that was as a gang and. Drug. detective um end up spending like seven. plus years there so you were at a PD yep. that was at a PD okay and if you know. about the reservations it can be a.
little wild did it could be uh gang gang. activity was pretty prevalent on those. and we did some really big stuff to shut. it down I mean when I got into the gang. unit they said hey your job is driveby. shootings and I was like okay well let. me put it into perspective how bad of a. problem we were having Mesa TB and. Scottsdale combined for about a million. people. um they had in from 2007 to 2010 they.
had 58 driveby shootings in those three. cities our reservation has 5,000 people. that live on it million versus 5,000. 5,000 people we had 200 driveby. shootings in the same time period are. you serious yeah it was every night we. were out cleaning up casings on the. roadway driveby shootings and so. they said this is your responsibility so. I started looking into all the cases.
started looking at you know ballistics. on the casings that we were finding and. I started realizing hey man like this is. one gang that's the the aggressor and. the other gang seem to be responding I. think if we go after this gang we can. eliminate a lot of this activity so we. put a list together a Target list we. went and talked to the uh FBI we went. and talked to the ATF ultimately we. partnered with the ATF because they're a. little bit they work a little bit faster. and we had a lot of straw purchases so. we went and put a federal RICO case.
against these guys but to give you an. idea of how effective we were in 2009 we. had 76 driveby shootings are you serious. so how what's the time frame here this. is 2009 so we had from 2007 to 2010 we. had 200 200 but in 2009 we had 76. driveby shootings wow when I took over. in 2010 we went down to 10 driveby. shootings in 2011 we had zero driveby.
shootings and in 2012 we had zero. driveby shootings when I left in 2012 we. had no driveby shootings we went from 76. to 10 to 0 to 0er why because we. targeted our law enforcement efforts and. we put our boot in their throat and we. we weren't going to allow them to. dictate we weren't going to be on the. defensive anymore we took offensive uh. posture and we went after these. gangsters and when they committed crimes.
we held them accountable and we. literally just changed the dynamic on. the reservation in a matter of years by. just being aggressive and going after. these um and so you know you can that's. one of the things when you have the rule. of law gets out of control it's not. rocket science uphold the law hold. people accountable if you do that it. will will stabilize things but the. longer you let it go the harder it is to. get it under.
control we're going to talk about this. later but I want to know why everybody. seems to be just letting it go nowadays. I mean we hear all about it but but. we'll get into that in a. bit so you left the PD so I in 2011 I. just didn't like the direction of the. country I thought they were undermining. the rule of law and that and remember. the rule of law to me is the most. important piece of of America.
stabilizing it and they know that which. is why they said they were going to. fundamentally transform America what was. happening in 2011 that made you think. that. Obama he just what they were doing was. really creating a a riff between. communities and law enforcement you know. anytime we did something and and mind. you this is all kind of timing at the. same time with people having cell phones. and being able to record things on the. streets this is all coming about you.
know iPhones are kind of coming out in. the late 2000s around 2010 and so now. you're seeing videos of police out there. doing their job or roughing somebody up. and I'll be the first to tell you we're. not in the business of good Optics I. mean when you call us we're expected to. deal with problems or if we find. problems on the streets then we're. expected to deal with it we can't just. look the other way and so we're not in. the business of good Optics usually and. so what you see a lot of times is you.
see um we were seeing the politicians. really start to to to create a rift. between community and law. enforcement and that undermines the rule. of law and so what happens then is you. start getting people and this kind of. goes to your question it kind of starts. getting people elected into office on. the basis of we're not we're going to. hold the police accountable or basically. saying to the people you're not wrong. the cops were wrong and that's dangerous. and then what happens is you start.
undermining the rule of law you stop. holding people accountable and then you. want to only hold cops accountable. putting body cameras on us which we're. okay I think we should have body cameras. on all the politicians in Washington DC. right I've never heard that before. that's. genius putting them on them but we have. body cams and now everything starts to. change and so I could see where we were. going I thought was dangerous and so. instead of being the guy that sits and. just [ __ ] about it I thought I'm.
going to do something about it so I'm. standing there in the my in our gang. unit you know uh little um room and I. just said I'm going to run for. Sheriff they said yeah you're crazy I. said no I'm going to run for Sheriff. they said get out of here and I said. okay I put in my application to go to. panau County 6 months later a year later. I was over there at um at panau County. with the intention of running for.
Sheriff eventually but this is 2011 I. said I would run for Sheriff I went to. panal in. 2012 and uh spent two years there and. then my told my wife one day I said. honey I think it's about time to leave. and start to to lay the groundwork I got. to go make money so that I can run for. Sheriff and so I went to reserve status. and then I went back out into the. private sector and built a marketing. company and a um we ended up being a.
Solar Company right before I ran for. office but that was what able was able. to get me financially to be able to do. the sheriff thing but really it was. large in part because I couldn't stand. to see what was going on I couldn't. watch as our country was changing. fundamentally changing and I had I I. wanted to be part of the solution not. the problem why did you pick panal. County cuz I lived in panal County so. you have to live in the county you have. to you if you're going to run for.
Sheriff you got to live in whatever. County that you're going to run for. sheriff in okay the way You' articulated. it meant uh I thought maybe you had mov. to panal County to run for Sheriff I. moved to panal in 2008 but I decided to. run for sheriff in 2011 okay. yeah and how did that. go a whole new experience you know I. told you earlier I think life is about. challenging yourself you know Finding.
Your greatness you know like Governor. Bradford uh this goes to politics you. know Governor Bradford was on the. Mayflower and he wrote the Mayflower. Compact and he has a quote that says all. Great accomplishments are accompanied. with great difficulties and both must be. but this is where you find out what your. courage level is you know I've been. doing it as a gang and Drug detective.
you're running into buildings that you. everything inside of you tells you don't. run into that building or you know. you're you're dealing with people with. guns and you're running towards the fire. and the problems as opposed to running. away from it and so you condition. yourself to continue to look for. opportunities to test your courage level. this is a different type of test but you. know putting yourself out there into the. public putting your on the line that was. a whole new thing and it's probably. better you don't know fully what you're. getting into um because you probably.
wouldn't do it if you did I could. imagine who were you who were you. running against so we had a Sheriff that. at the time his name was Sheriff Babu he. had done a lot of great things in the. office but I I was banking on the fact. he was going to run for senate or. congress so I put in my paperwork and. sure enough he was going to run he ran. for congress I almost didn't do it. though I was in Utah I was running my. company my marketing company a lot of. the work we were doing was in Utah this.
was in like probably August of of. 2015 and I called my wife one day and I. said honey I've been reading a lot about. running for Sheriff and politics. and business is going. good I don't think I'm gonna do it I. don't I don't I don't think I'm going to. do it let's we can do it again in four. years or eight years let's just see what. happens and she said you know in typical. fashion she's like I understand I. support you well for the next two days I. could not shake the feeling I could I.
would wake up in the morning all I could. think about is running for Sheriff I all. day long working all I could think about. was sheriff sheriff sheriff and so two. days later I called her back and I said. screw it let's do. it and so we jumped and we jumped into. it and just worked hard and I had this. feeling and that if if I would do it the. way that I needed to be done and I put. in the work that God or whatever you.
believe in for me it's God would take. care of the rest work hard have a good. attitude he'll take care of the rest and. so I was outspent I was the underdog I. had to completely build name recognition. nobody knew who I was and I had to do it. all and it was just grinding it out hard. work I had to go to all these events I. had to speak in front of them I had to. just shake as many hands as I could pass.
out flyers I did everything and uh up. until the day that we the election the. other guys thought they were going to. beat me so this is his chief Deputy. running they thought they were going to. beat me I said we're not losing we're. going to win. 6040 and we won 63 to 37% that no. way wow and it was just hard work. grinded it out. being a candidate and doing the job are. two completely different things though. then the rubber meets the road you know.
you can say whatever you want as a. candidate let's see how you actually do. it when you get the job and um over the. last eight years just really a lot in. part because of the people I've. surrounded myself with and the type of. leadership I bring to the table I think. we've created something really special. in panal County like we have people from. all over the country that know who we. are. as a matter of fact for law enforcement. for Facebook followers um across the. country the number one Agency for.
Facebook followers is the FBI number two. is the panal county sheriff's office we. passed up the. NYPD man that is pretty incredible but. it's because we decided to take a. different approach a marketing approach. I took a business approach to it I. looked at it as if it was a business. where the the the shareholders are the. taxpayers. and I'm expected to give them return on. investment I'm expected to give them. reports as to how we're doing and.
instead of you being afraid of social. media which a lot of law enforcement. people are we embraced it we said okay. we're going to use this to our advantage. and I have to recruit I'm competing with. the Phoenix Market I'm competing with. agencies that pay a lot more so we had. to make our we had to create a product. that people cops wanted to be cops again. and they they be willing to take a pay. cut to be able to come and work for the. sheriff's office and we have never.
lacked in people wanting to come and. work for us because of how we allow our. guys to be cops no kiding we tell them. you want to be a cop come here you want. to drive chase people you want to go. find the bad guys we support you. here and then you have to go out and. actually show your people that's the. case and that's what we did. how long did it take you to to to Really. gain the respect of your county I mean. your your county loves you the whole.
country as far as I'm concerned. everybody that I i' never see anything. bad on you it people just love you and. so what was there a turning point or was. it gradual we so live PD I mean live PD. came to us right after we started and. I'm like d I'm like a baby deer on ice. here like I don't even know I had to get. my feet underneath me here I don't even. know what I'm doing yet so about six. months into it I told my chief I go hey.
call live PD back and see if they want. to do this and what's live PD live PD is. like cops but it was live and it was the. number one show on TV at the time it was. getting there eventually it became the. number one show on on TV and so but you. know you got to put you're putting. yourself out there you're showing. everybody live how your guys do. and so we took on live PD and that. really is what got us moving and we did.
a show called 60 days in and 60 days in. during Co it had already been out but. during Co Netflix put it on on T on. their uh their platform and millions of. people watch 60 days in at that point. and so we started really gaining a lot. of notoriety there but really the where. the leadership piece came in is it took. me about 2 or 3 years to get my agency. to believe in us they had battered wife. syndrome they had that you know Flinch.
every time something happens and so we. would say why do you think this is going. to happen if you do this well because. that's what used to happen no that's not. what we're doing here you need to trust. us and we had to push that trust and we. had to earn it on the on the captain. level we had ear it on the the. lieutenant level probably the. lieutenants was the hardest level for us. to gain the guys on the the line level. we did things like saying hey you don't. have to cover your tattoos as long as. they're not obscene we're good you can.
wear facial hair we started to make. these little adjustments so we earn so. we started getting the support of these. the the line level guys same with the. sergeants we struggled with the. lieutenants the messaging was was we. were delivering the messaging and it was. getting jacked up between uh captains. and sergeants so lieutenants were so we. had to earn their trust took about 2. three years and S after that once they. realize and we prove time and time again. if you're in a shooting or you rough.
somebody up and that we we had their. back that we were going to that they. were part of a family that we were and. not in a way that we were not we were. not condone if you broke the law then. we're going to hold you accountable but. in a way that said you did your job you. did it right we're with you and so that. took us a few years and then the. community they started getting on board. pretty much right away with the live PD. and since then we've just continued to. build on it I look at it as like a bank.
account you're in law enforcement. there's you can make deposits that's. your good stuff you do your little. videos you're saving a dog pulling a cat. out of a tree you know saving somebody. from a fenel overdose those are the. little. deposits because the withdrawals will. come and the withdrawals are heavy you. take it like what happened in Minnesota. and 2020 if they would have had a better. bank account that withdrawal would have. probably not hurt as bad but it ended up.
not in only hurting them it hurt the. rest of the country in law enforcement. and so what we've always believed in is. you got to build your bank account of. trust with your community small deposits. constantly and when the big things come. it's okay you got enough to cover it. your community trust you enough to know. that that's a one-off that's not that's. not normal and so but that started years. before with us making those small. deposits man that's smart thinking when.
you. took other than the the trust of your. your. agency what what were some of the what. were some of the challenges you were. walking into criminal wise maybe crime. wise problems you needed to address in. your County Crime wise there was still. the Border you know the Border was a. problem um we had drugs coming in I mean. this where we are in panau County.
marijuana was a this is a marijuana. Corridor so it was not uncommon to get. th000 PB 2,000 PB loads of marijuana. Backpackers coming across the border. packing 50 PB packs of marijuana into. your community not to mention meth and. other things and so we were struggling. still with the Border when I first came. in internally not crime- wise internally. budget relationships with the government. within the county um the the the morale.
amongst the troops those were all the. internal things we had to deal with and. then on the outward stuff we had to deal. with the the you know reducing crime. between myself and the County Attorney. we've successfully reduced our crime. index every year when crime has been on. the rise we've been reducing our crime. index and there is no secret sauce it's. hold people accountable when they need. to be held accountable and treat people. with respect and dignity and and and. protect their constitutional rights when. not so if you do that then people want.
to live in your community I don't want. to live in a community where they don't. hold people accountable that's. lawlessness you're you're asking for a. problem I want to live in a community. where I know that they treat me good the. cops are our friends and they're going. to go after the bad guys when they need. to and that's kind of what we in a. nutshell in a very simplified way that's. what we've done. congratulations I just get to take the. credit for the work that the other. people.
do I set the vision but you know like I. still get out there and work with the. guys I put the vest on I go out I I do. traffic stops I I help these guys look. for Smugglers on the freeways and I'm. still out there getting my hands dirty. much how you identify Smuggler on the. freeway our guys get really good you. know it used to be under under the last. Administration was a lot easier because. the cartels weren't making as much money. they've gone from making 500 million.
to3 billion dollar a. year a larger part well that pretty much. 2021 I mean that's that changed right. then are you serious can you say that. again so from 2021 they went from 5 2020. they were making 500 million a year to. 2021 now making. 103 billion a year wait we're talking. one year that's how quickly it.
changed and they're consistently making. that kind of money now why holy [ __ ]. because of the human trafficking and the. drug. trafficking so fenel is a big part of it. but the other and and the other part is. they've become Global what we did with. with the open border policies what. happened is is that you you gave them. the ability to grow their businesses why. because you gave them cash on hand where. does the cash on hand come from it comes.
from the people who come from all over. the world who now are going to give the. cartel five. $6,000 up to. $50,000 depending on what country you. come from the cartel now has an A A. influx of business coming in and people. are paying cash on hand their business. model was different before their. business model was a based on people. coming and paying to come into the. country that was a part of it but their. business model was on selling drugs. within the country so what did they have.
to do they had to pay out money to get. the drugs into America then you got to. pay to get the drugs to Omaha Nebraska. then you got to pay somebody to sell it. they take a cut of it now you have to. pay somebody that's going to stay out. there and recover the money because they. don't just work on good faith you know. the cartel doesn't say hey Sean sell the. drugs whenever you finish selling them. send them back send me the money it's. not how it works so now you have. somebody that they get paid to recover. the money and now they got to ship the. money back down to Mexico and run the.
risk of getting caught so that was a lot. more heavy the business model of how. they made money was a lot different now. they have C so much cash you don't know. what to do with it so what are they. doing now they're expanding their. operations globally now they're becoming. the people that are providing the drugs. and the fenel to places not just in. America they're play they're South. America Africa Europe not also they have.
become armies they have enough funding. now billions of dollars to buy the best. guns the weapons the Weaponry the the. you know the personnel carriers I mean. these guys have miniature armies down. there yeah yeah yeah you know. I I've interviewed uh a couple of. investigative journals ists uh on this. subject quite a few of them actually one. of them being Luis. chaparo and that guy he he talks about.
the last time he was on he was talking. about these armies and you know I just I. never realized that it it at some point. it had changed from basically I mean it. would seem. like bigger than gang violence but along. the same type of thing too straight up I. mean they have uniforms and gear and.
yeah chest Rigs and Optics and this. isn't this isn't gang violence anymore. no these are they're it's a military. they're military. operations and they are designed to. protect billion dollar. operations and the real they make even. more money now because before if I were. to sell you a pill how many times can I. sell you a pill or a gram of coke or a. gram of.
meth once once you consume it it's gone. how many times can I sell you a woman or. a. child hundreds hundreds of times so not. only do these people pay to come in if. they can't pay then the cartels give. them credit and the way they make them. work it off is either labor which is. you're going to see more crime across. this country because these people paid. the cartels to come in here even if they. showed up from other countries the.
cartels are making sure they're getting. their money I mean there's Parts the. gulf cartel the Cartel de G those guys. are putting wristbands on people to make. sure that they know they paid so they're. charging you to come across and if you. can't pay they'll do it on credit and. then you have to work it off so now. you're seeing a lot of breaking and. enterings and stuff because people owe. the cartels they don't want to owe so I. got to go steal something if I can't. find a job to pay for what I owe the. cartel then I'm gonna steal it the women. end up working it off in the sex trade.
the children which by the way are about. 150,000 um unaccompanied miners a year. right now 150,000 our government has. admitted they don't know where about a. 100,000 of those children. are I mean how is Americans not outraged. to know that a 100,000 children who came. here alone without parents we don't know. where they're. at I'll tell you where they're at.
they're in the cartels the cartels are. using them for hard labor and sex. trade and if you don't think so let me. just give you some statistics on child. sexual abuse material cesam seesam is. any uh photo or video depicting a child. being raped or. naked so. in um. 2014 we had 4. million reports of seesam 4 million to.
the nickm the national Center for. missing and exploited children 4 million. reports of that so that means people. called and said hey this image this. whatever four million times that's a lot. last year it was 32 million. cesam uh reports 32 million. so don't tell me that these children are. not being trafficked in this country and. we have become the biggest place for.
slavery and we have been the biggest. place for perverse things like child. sexual abuse material yeah we're the. number one the United States of America. is the number one consumer of child. pornography in the world. yes and the cartels are willing to meet. that and they make a lot of money off of. it and it's continual money they sell. these women over and over again we had a. woman that was coming across the border.
we caught her and she had a baggie full. of pills which by the way eight of 10. women are raped when they come across. but she had a baggie full of pills eight. of 10 women are raped of 10 women and. 50% of gay and trans people are raped by. the cartels when they come. across so she had a baggie full of pills. like 50 pills and we said what are these. pills and she said well when I was was. going to cross the border I knew I'd be. raped multiple times these are morning. after. pills you know where do we get as a.
country to where we put politics in. front of people because that's what's. happening because politically your side. says we want open borders were were. we're allowing eight of 10 women to be. raped as they come into this country or. children that just disappear into back. into the hands of the cartels. let's dissect this a little bit I'm. I'm because what I don't understand is. how the cartels are making money.
trafficking people into the US when. there essentially is no border so what. exactly is the cartel facilitating and. how are how are they able to control our. border and who's coming across and who's. paying and we're not so this is somewhat. of an intricate thing part of it because. there's the other part of it the. NOS the non-governmental organizations. the non-governmental organizations are.
Charities that are being funded by. taxpayer dollars um and so those. Charities have an incentive to continue. to have a problem because they will. continue to get money for their. Charities some of them well intentioned. many of them are aiding and abetting and. human trafficking so the cartels know. that these NOS are willing to bring. people to the border to bring them into. this country I think the the flow of. people would be greater into America if. the cartel had the ability to handle.
more people coming into the country you. must pay the cartels if they find out. you don't pay them it's you could end up. dead in the desert and so most people. will not take the risk every now and. then you might find somebody which are. very very few and far between who did. not pay the cartel some money to come. across how how would they how would they. know though because as soon as they get. into the the border state the countries. and the cartels know who they they watch.
the airports when they land on the plane. these planes at the airports in Mexico. they know these large groups coming up. um you only have to shoot one or two. people in front of a large gr group of. people before they'll all get in line. and say yep I'll pay you or I'll you. know I'm going to make sure that you get. your money the cartels have plenty of. people they have an army of people do. ensure that you are not crossing the. border unless you've paid the cartels so. the cartels control the flow of people. into this country but they're not.
actually smuggling are they actually. smuggling people in they have they have. Smugglers they have Smugglers at work. that will get them right up to the fence. I was flying our helicopter just two. weeks ago three weeks ago and we were. flying along which by the way we went. from the reservation to nog Galis which. is. probably 100 and something miles maybe. more 200 miles we didn't see a single. border patrol agent in that time no MSC. trucks which are your radar your your um.
they've got the sonar systems and stuff. um we didn't see any of those no border. patrol agents we did see Mexican. military on the other side and then we. saw some guy walk a group of people line. them up at the fence check everybody let. the first group come across lines the. second group up checks everybody again. we're flying right overhead we're flying. right overhead they have no care in the. world. and they're leading right into the the. country and we filmed them as they. walked in into the country right through.
the opening in the fence and that cartel. guy walks back gets in his car drives. back can we overlay that video on the. the video yeah I'll give it to you. before we leave here perfect everybody. needs to see this and this is what. happens every day it's not this is not. an uncommon occurrence this is every day. in my County we have had a three. 3 71% increase no 366 increase in. traffic stops involving human smuggling.
we have had a. 471 per increase in Pursuits involving. human smuggling we chased a guy the. other day we actually pulled him over. and the deputy's talking to him and all. his stuff isn't lining up and so finally. he's he says hey can I search your car. boom guy takes off so then we. get after him we ended up spiking his. car three times and we I think we popped. at least three of his tires if not all.
four he was still driving 80 mil per. hour on the rims of his vehicle we. finally pitted him we got him off to the. side and uh we hear this pounding on the. trunk after we take him into custody and. he had a juvenile in the trunk of his. car and illegal that it was there. against his. will um we pull over cars all the time. we've seen four runners with 16 people. in it um pull over cars all the time. that are people in it so it goes back to. your you you asked me before how do we. know who's trafficking and what I.
started to tell you was it used to be. easier because the only the people that. were trafficking worked for the cartels. they changed their business model they. have so much money they were able to. change the business model and it was. genius what they said was let's employ. Americans to do it so now they go on. Snapchat and Tik Tok and all these. things and they employ primarily kids um. we've seen as young as 12 years old and. they'll employ 14 15 16 year olds 17 18. why because they know that if they're.
under 18 the chances of getting charged. are low because they're juveniles and so. what they do is they get these kids they. pay them ,000 a body so if you put five. people in your car that you're in. camouflage clothes and carpet shoes and. backpacks some of these Gods you hear. about you put five people in your car. and you drive them to Phoenix you're. going to get $1,000 per person five k. for a kid that's 15 16 years old so now. it's hard because what we used to look. for were temp tags and other things now.
it's really hard to find them because. they're just grabbing Grandma's car or. their own car and the cars don't fit the. what we used to be used to and so that's. just Americans going down and taking. their car down we've had them fly in we. we busted a lady the other day she flew. from California rented a turo which is. like Airbnb for cars rents this turo. drives down to the Border picks up I. think she had three or four picks them. up drives back I was actually with Mike.
Glover that day Mike Glover was in the. car with me when we got the stop on that. car and she's like I don't know who they. are they're they just needed a ride I. don't know and it turned out they were. all illegals they were in their. camouflage clothes and their carpet. shoes and um she had flown in just for. that reason rented a car drove down and. picked them up was going to go back drop. them off turn their car back in and fly. back home and have made.
$4,000 so how do you combat that how do. you combat that in law enforcement how. do we look for cars when they're. employing Americans and there is no how. do you investigate up if I bust you Sean. but you have no idea who's above you how. am I going to work that investigation up. I can go on to social media but social. media is not really helping they're. aiding in it betting in it they're the. ones providing the platforms for this. for the cartels to be able to to recruit. Americans and so I was testifying in.
Congress and you had these politicians. kept saying to me well you know it's. Americans doing it not the cartels and I. said hold on you keep saying that like. that's a good thing I don't see that as. good as all I what I see is you've. allowed the cartels to make so much. money that they can now employ Americans. to come in and do their transnational. criminal activity in. America that's not okay like we we are. allowing them to recruit our.
teenagers because they're paying them so. much money so I mean look it is a. cluster it's a cluster beyond what. people can. imagine they think that this is. a they think that this is a good. idea it's a good idea for what they want. what they want is to reinvent America. they wanted fundament those are not my. words those are their campaign slogans.
to fundamentally transform America and. to reinvent America and whether you're a. republican a Democrat or independent. that should set off alarms in your head. if that you want to reinvent America and. so what we saw immediately was the. undermining of the rule of law because. that's the fabric of America and what. better way to undermine the rule of law. than to open the borders. you begin to flood our communities with. they don't end up dealing with the end. product the federal government doesn't. go out and respond to 911 calls they.
don't pick up the mess they don't clean. up the house when when we have to go. over and find a 15-year-old who just. died from a fentanyl poisoning mom's. there crying dad's crying and we have to. explain to them how this happened when. we know good and darn well where it came. from the feds don't clean that up we. clean it up and what it's doing is it's. undermining the rule of law it's. destabilizing Society it's Reinventing. America and it's changing the. demographic of America now people when I.
say that they say oh you're talking. white people no I'm not talking about. that American demographic is whites. blacks Hispanics Asians people from any. all over the world if you are an. American then that is who I'm talking. about but what you're doing is allowing. all these people that are coming from. countries and they're not. Americans and basically now I mean. there's estimations that there's. anywhere between 40 to 60 million. illegals in this country right now that.
have come over here over the last you. know not just the last three years but. for many years and so what Allegiance do. they have to. America you're basically changing the. demographic you saw it in France you saw. it in Germany you saw it so when they. look at it if that's your if that's your. end goal is to destabilize America to. reinvent America to change all the all. aspects of it then or to change the. voters to be able to get them to vote I.
mean then yes they they look at it. probably as that they're their plan is. is. succeeding wow uh I mean how back to how. back to the Smugglers and them the. cartels hiring Americans I mean how do. you combat that if you if you come up. with any solutions I mean the only thing. that can come to my mind off the top of. my head would. be roadblocks but then you have then you.
have traffic issues so we used to have. roadblocks it wasn't the you it wasn't. us it was border patrol had had these. checkpoints and the checkpoints were. typically 20 30 40 miles off the border. and then they would catch a lot of this. stuff at the checkpoints this. Administration closed those checkpoints. down immediately. some of the checkpoints have been. reopened most have not so you've you. don't have the checkpoints in.
place we're in triage mode law. enforcement is in triage there's so much. going on there's so many things. happening that we're not able to stop. and and Target The Source because we're. triaging the re the the. um the the consequences of what's. Happening we're Tre in that border. patrol is triaging they can they're not. even they're not even out there on the. border for the most part because they're. busy triaging all the amount of people.
coming in you got 10,000 a day a week. showing up I mean across the border it's. probably close to 10,000 a day you can't. vet them how do you process them you're. bogging our courts down they're giving. them court dates now for. 2032 what 2032 is when people who are. claiming Asylum which by the way 75 to. 90% of those Asylum claims will be. overturned when they finally go to court.
you know I just speaking of Asylum this. is a side this is a this is a Sidetrack. here but I just spoke to somebody that's. relatively high up in the border patrol. and they had told me that now that that. the I don't know if it's the government. I don't know who created this app have. you heard about this cbp1. yes there's an app they now have an who. created that app uh the DHS Department. of Homeland Security Department of.
Homeland Security they love it created. an app where. now people can claim Asylum from their. what home country and we will actually. fly down there and pick them up yeah and. bring them here yeah 300,000 they they. they caught this Administration. having flown like what 300,000 Haitians. into our country. directly I mean your government is.
flying them in you know Michael Yan. talks about that even if you fix the. Border issue they're still going to be. flying people in from other countries. because they filed they went through the. cbp1 app the cartels have completely. learned how to abuse and use the cbp1. app to benefit them they they extort. people and say hey look we we'll do all. the stuff we'll help you get through the. CBP one app tell you what you do this is. how much you have to pay. us man I mean it is an extremely broken.
I mean we're just barely glossing over. things too and I mean the cartels are we. didn't gotten into the violence you know. we had a girl in our jail that um when. she came in we always interview we do a. health assessment and she's like I'm. taking 70 I think she was taking 70 plus. fenel pills a day 70. a day she was taking these fentel pills. her body had become so accustomed to it. and when she was detoxing she.
dies while we were talking to her about. why she was taking so many before she. died she said I used to do sell drugs. for the cartel my girlfriend and I did. and one day we came up short and the. cartel cut my girlfriend into pieces in. front of. me and since then I've been. self-medicating taking these pills I. mean this is the brutality that we are. we have let the devil in the back door. we've let the devil in the back door and.
yet we still even Americans don't seem. to grasp the severity of the problem. that exists in our own. country when you talk about the sex. tradeit and the the human. smuggling where are the women being used. utilized in the sex. trade so a lot of it is the cartels. will'll have brothel they'll have you. know they'll pimp them out I mean.
they've got organizations set up here. where you got a guy who might sell drugs. and he also manages the women that are. they they sell for sex a lot of it you. know the Chinese which by the way we've. had 37,000 Chinese Nationals came in. last year mostly predominately military. age men in 2021 there was only 450 last. year was 30 7,000 and this year is. probably already about 30,000 their year. ends at the end of September so we will. probably hit close to double what it was.
last year for Chinese Nationals but I. remember watching this investigation. where the Border Patrol was doing one or. DHS and they were following a guy that. was running like these like the Asian or. the Chinese or Vietnamese um massage. parlor and following him across the. country and all the way from California. to Florida all the different stops he. made and every time it was at a. different massage parlor all across the.
country um a lot of them are in those. massage parlors nail salons I mean. humans are being trafficked in all sorts. of places um there's plenty of people. that are criminals and and have criminal. operations in communities that you know. pimps people that are pro you know um uh. running um you know uh how do I say it. running a sex trade you know and they. just get these women that are vulnerable. that need to pay the cartels that owe. the cartels or or they work for directly.
for the cartels I mean the sex trade is. off the charts it's all over the country. it's spread like a disease across this. country what about the kids the kids are. ending up you know Dr Phil did something. recently where he even talked about it. he was on The View out that I watched. The View I don't want anybody to look. you a big fan of the. view go great on I have to pref this by. saying I don't watch it but I happen to. see this clip and Dr Phil has been doing. a lot of work understanding the border. and really looking into the the.
trafficking of these kids because the. kids will come with the same address and. nobody's taking the time to say hey this. is all the same the agents are the. agents are saying guys we're noticing. that everybody all the addresses written. on their arms of the papers they have. say it's the same address in Chicago or. wherever. and don't worry about it just process. them through and Dr Phil was talking. about how a lot of these kids are ending. up in like um factories and and doing.
hard label labor in in factories here in. this country or in the sex trade and he. was telling this on The View and one of. the hosts actually. said well is it all of them or some of. them it's like it doesn't freaking. matter if it's one of them it's a. problem. and yet but that's the mentality the. mentality is if it's not affecting me. then what do I care that's not okay like.
as Americans we should say even though. it doesn't affect me I can't watch. children be trafficked into hard labor. or sex trade and you have a 100,000. children that they that they admit they. don't really know where they are they. admitted 85,000 that was a year ago it. probably the number could be much higher. now. have you seen anything in your county oh. we see it every day luckily we don't see. as many of the women and the children.
the women and the children are are are. typically snatched up by the government. because they come in unaccompanied for. the most part I still get children I. mean I have um you know we had a car you. can go online where we go to pull it. over and it just starts to slow down and. boom it shoots off into the desert off. just straight up Offroad and running. over Cactus and and we're chasing it and. um right as we pull to a stop I jump out. and the door is open the driver because. the driver and the passenger fled and um.
it's a it's a like a extra cab truck so. it's not a full quad cab it's just the. extra cab and those two guys had run off. and they're running down the hills into. the desert and then I pull up my gun and. I'm looking and quick glance I see two. females a baby or a young girl and a man. in the back of the truck and uh then I. took off and started chasing those guys. but the girl had committed she had on. credit she owed the Cel.
13,000 um and the other guys had paid I. think 6,000 to come into the country and. what you don't see on camera is her feet. were completely blistered out they were. wet like you know marching on wet socks. and her feet were just blistered out and. what you don't see is me and my sergeant. um taking her shoes off taking her socks. off uh treating her feet bandaging up. her feet getting her you know because at. that point the adrenaline's off and. you're just she couldn't even hardly. walk on her feet for good reason she.
darn you lost the whole bottoms of her. feet um you don't see the humanity that. we bring to it I always the politicians. will say well it's just really in you. guys are really inhumane I that's funny. because I've never seen you down here. I've never seen you down here in the. desert pulling people out that the. cartels lead for dead. I don't see you here stopping these. people from getting trafficked by the. cartels into the sex trade or or. whatever else I don't see you down here.
uh expending all your resources and. energy trying to trying to save these. people from the. cartels and but we do that every day our. guys go out every day border patrol does. it every day and we treat these people. with kindness and we we understand that. in many ways many of these people are. victims of of the cartels victims of our. failed. policies um and what we're looking for. we're looking for those bad guys the. terrorists those things and the.
terrorists are there too talk to the FBI. and I know we're rolling into a. different subject on it but talked to. the FBI guy recently and he says I'm not. concerned as concerned about the. terrorists as I am about the secondary. and the. tertiaries the people that are. technically not on the terrorist watch. list yet it's like a biker gang you have. a biker gang. and you got your patch members you got. your prospects and you got your. hangarounds the bike the patch members. very rarely put in work the work is.
usually done by the prospects and the. hangarounds and that's much how it is in. these organizations you've got secondary. and tertiary um people that are still. part of those cartel or those uh. terrorist organizations they just are. not on our list yet but they're still. willing to put in the work I mean even. if they are on the list what happens no. the government's letting them in for the. most part I mean what the FBI is a whole. another subject but I know I mean I. don't even.
know I got to calm myself down I know. and I'm trying I us a positive watched. the director of the FBI talk about how. our power grid water treatment plants. all of these are compromised by Chinese. hackers I've been talking about this for. years on the. show and this [ __ ] shows up in front. of Congress or wherever maybe the Senate.
I can't remember which one to talk about. [ __ ] I've been talking about here for 2. years it's like good [ __ ] job buddy. Yes Federal Bureau of. Investigation. good great work [ __ ] [ __ ] I feel. the same way you did I was at a month. and a half two months ago I was in DC. and he and my orcus both show up and he. starts talking about the same thing the. threats the to our elections the the. cyber security threats and one of the.
sheriff's Sheriff Butler from um Sheriff. Jones from Butler County Ohio he puts. him on blast he says Hey the FBI is. saying get ready we're going to have all. these things so the the media calls me. and they go Sheriff what do you think. about this you know about the uh about. the sheriff saying that the FBI is. saying there's major threats I go first. first of all I don't need the FBI to. tell me that we've we've got threats. going on in this country I've been. telling them for two to three years that. what we're facing and now they're.
finally admitting it like this is a re. like where were you what what do they. what what does what does the FBI even do. I don't I don't even know what the f. after Americans you know at this point. and look some people are going to watch. this and say you know there are good FBI. agents un fortunately we're those guys. are are timing out a lot of these good. FBI agents we're not going to we put a. bureaucrat a technocrat a lawyer in.
charge of the FBI not a line level guy. who understands what it is to do the. work and be do investigations they put a. lawyer Chris Ray in charge of of the FBI. um they have a political agenda and you. know these good FBI agents on the ground. you know they're just being P they're. being told which direction to going and. frankly I see more effort on the FBI. going after American citizens um we see. him going after the the parents at.
school boards and this is not if you're. if you're listening to me and you're. thinking oh he's just saying that you. know political bull crap no two years. ago I was in a meeting in um at The. Greenbrier in West Virginia for a. sheriff's conference and we did an Intel. meeting and the DHS Chief comes on not. my orcus but one of his guys comes on. over this zoom and he starts to say hey. our primary concern are domestic.
violence terrorism. terrorists and I'm thinking whoa what do. he about ready to say and he goes now. these are going to be um the parents. School boards people who don't believe. that the election was you know legit um. and he starts going down veterans he. starts going down this list of people my. blood is boiling he finishes and I the. second he finished I hit that thing and. I said how dare you not how dare you say.
that the American person is your. greatest threat I said not only did you. describe me you described many of the. people that believe contrary to what. this Administration thinks I said then. you felt that that's your greatest. threat not once did you mention antifa. or BLM and they literally red havoc on. this country over the last few years you. didn't mention them you didn't mention. the cartels that are trafficking tens of. thousands of people into this country.
every month you didn't mention the fenal. poisonings which has become the leading. cause of death in America you didn't. mention any of that you think that the. primary threat to America is Americans I. said I don't have any cases with. Americans of what you're telling me and. I'm on the ground boots on the ground. and he says well you know Sher if we try. to apply the law equally and I said well. your actions say otherwise and I knew at. that moment many of us are the enemy to.
them yeah and it's sad it's sad because. we're just Patriots we just love this. country we love God family freedom and. the Constitution and that's what we're. trying to protect and and I see how the. country is being weakened by the border. how we're putting ourselves at. tremendous risk and now we got the FBI. finally showing up 10 years late to the. party but they're not showing up what. are they going to what are they going to. do he's just regurgitating [ __ ] that I. talked about two years ago now even the.
fentol [ __ ] you know the fentol stuff we. had this the same guy Luis chaparo you. know he was he came on this was probably. three years ago now and had had broken. the story that. China is essentially aiding the cartel. and is a big part of they're behind the. whole fentel CR. they are now just now they're starting. to talk about this in mainstream I hear. election I hear elected uh uh uh sorry.
people running for office talking about. it I hear the the the the media stting. to report it and it's but I I oh man. it's just can I talk about the terrorism. thing for a second. absolutely in America we've been. conditioned to view terrorism a certain. way we've been conditioned let me back. that up real Let Me Explain real quick. why this is different than what it's. always been first of all the Border used. to be predominantly people from Mexico. coming across they would come over here.
they would work the cartel had some of. their people in there they were. trafficking some drugs across but a lot. of those people were just coming to work. and they would go home after a while so. the majority of what you had was people. from Mexico and at the very top of the. graph you had a small percentage of. people that they be that border patrol. and the government refers to as otms. other than. Mexicans how this has changed the LA is. the last three years that flip-flop that. changed now what we see are.
predominantly people coming from 170. different countries 170 that's the total. of different 170 different countries you. got them coming from all over Central. and South America you got them coming. from Haiti you got them coming from all. the the countries in Africa you got them. coming from Syria the Middle East. usbekistan Afghanistan Russia Ukraine. everywhere. now what you see is predominantly otms. with the smaller percentage of Mexicans. that are coming. across that's a national security threat.
now rolling into the second thing I was. going to tell you we've been conditioned. As Americans to see terrorism as a as a. bomb going off or as um a plane crashing. into a building or somebody walks into a. crowded building with a gun and shoots. people that's how we've been conditioned. to see terrorism. terrorism we are under a terrorist. attack and it and I'm going to tell you. how and it's just looks very different. and it sounds very.
different over the last three years the. leading CA of cause of death in. America between the ages of 1845 for. American civilians is fenel. poisoning China is putting the fenel in. the hands of the cartels the cartels are. put in the hands of Americans and they. are successfully without setting off a. single bomb without firing a single shot. have killed more Americans than any. terrorism has ever killed in the history. of our country more than any army has.
ever killed of of American civilians and. they're doing it right in our own right. underneath our nose without firing a. single. shot how can you tell me that this is. not the greatest terrorist threat that. we have ever. faced what kills more Americans now than. anything is. fenel we are under a terrorist attack it. just looks very different and it sounds. very different than what we're used to. but they're killing Americans and in my. book that's how you determine if it's a. threat and if families are up at night.
wondering if their children are going to. come home or if they're going to wake up. and find their children dead because of. fenal poisoning then I think that's. enough of terrorism which is exactly why. we should call these cartels the. terrorists that they are if we deem them. terrorists we can actually use military. force to deal with them because we don't. have in law en forment it's beyond our. scope it's beyond our capabilities we. don't have the Firepower to deal with. the cartels at this point and the only. way you can deal with them is to declare. them the terrorists that they are and.
China is behind this these are the Opium. Wars of. 1893 while we were not part of that they. could they consider the West to be. England America all of us we're all in. the west and so um they're exacting very. patiently they have waited a long time. and we are under that attack back right. now yeah I'm with you I'm with you let's. take a quick break let's do we come back. we'll maybe we'll talk about try to do. some positive stuff how we can solve.
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vigilance Elite. patreon all right Mark we're back from. the break we just delve into cartels. human trafficking fent. all how miraculous and and effective the. FBI is and uh and uh but let's I want to. talk about some solutions now you know. and so everybody has an idea on how to.
fix this I've heard a lot of different. takes uh I'd like to hear if you have. maybe some solutions look what they are. it's simple you know anytime you have a. problem the idea is to simplify it as. much as. possible um if you simplify it you're. you're like more likely to get through. it and and the reality is it's as simple. as just enforcing the rule of law you. can't just come across here illegally. that's not okay and if you do it again.
we should be holding you accountable. under title 8 we should res restore the. remain in Mexico program we just don't. let you wait for your court date here in. America for Asylum stuff you got to stop. funding these NOS stop sending them. money you know part of the reason I was. against the recent border bill first of. all it wasn't a border bill it was a. global assistance bill. they were taking money from Americans. and they were giving it to other. countries and still they were not fixing. the problem they were throwing money at. at Band-Aids on the back side of it they.
were talking about money for Dei. programs within um border patrol that's. not going to fix the problem so stop fun. and part of that Bill had $2.3 billion. that was going to go towards ngos here. in this country and those are the. non-governmental organizations and then. they had n .3 billion I think it was um. but over9 billion they wanted to give to. through the uh to Global assistance. through the state department ultimately.
the lot of that would go to the un uh I. took a lot of heat because back when we. were talking about the Border stuff I. said look they're giving these folks. when they process them they're giving. them uh cell phones they're giving them. plane tickets to wherever they want to. go in the country and they're giving. them gift cards with up to $5,000 on it. and and immediately the media went crazy. and they tried to debunk me as like. verify said I was spreading false. information and I had a couple of the.
reporters ask me like well you know. where did you get this information. where'd you get yours from the same. people in the Washington DC who' been. lying telling you that the border is. secure that nobody's just crossing over. the border is that where you got your. information from cuz I got mine from. boots on the ground actual border patrol. agents and my own two eyes and whenever. I go to the airport and see all these. people flying in brand new clothes um. and see the and the government admitting. their giv cell phones and then about.
three weeks later four weeks later which. ironically Vindicated me um the UN. admitted they had given $1.6 billion to. 248. NOS uh in the way of cash and gift cards. for the trafficking of people into our. country so you can't fund the NGO go but. really it boils down to just enforcing. the law turning the taking the handcuffs. off border patrol letting them secure. the Border you don't let anybody come in. here no more false Asylum claims none of.
that stuff has to be shut down um that's. the really the simplest way to regain. control of it because immediately that. starts to have a financial impact on the. cartels and when the cartels are making. less money um they're going to have to. transition into different things and I. think you also have to declare them the. ter that they are like we talked about. you've got to be able to deal with the. cartels once and for all how would you. deal with the cartels let's say that. let's say the border is.
secured let's say let's let's say the. border is I mean I don't know how you. secure the Border I mean I uh. Beyond some type of a barrier a wall a. fence whatever you want to call it then. we talk about the tunnels and all the. other ways that they're getting in. flying them in through the app you know. so how do you how do you affect the. cartels well you affect them money it's. first and foremost so anything you do.
needs to be has a needs to be geared. towards eliminating their sources of. income um and as if if you stop letting. people come in they'll stop showing up. they're not going to fly halfway around. the world just to end up in Mexico and. be stuck there the majority of these. people are coming a because they're. being funded by NOS B because uh they. know that they're going to get into our. country but if they know they're not. going to get in that's naturally going. to reduce the flow it's inevitably going. to to affect the income that the cartels.
are making um it's going to increase the. price of drugs again because now the. supply reduces and the cartels are going. to make Mone want to make money off of. the uh drugs that they're bringing in it. makes it easier for us to find the drugs. because now instead of processing 10,000. people a day CBP and Border Patrol are. able to actually look for what their job. is people coming into the country. illegally and bringing drugs into the. country illegally um but you need to. declare them terrorists because then you.
can actually apply military force to. them I'm not saying you do it without. Mexico's permission I think you can. engage Mexico as a partner and say look. we're committed to doing this why would. Mexico do anything right now we're not. committed we have a weak pres we have a. weak Administration mhm whether you like. them or not they just have shown. weakness on the global level and people. taken advantage of that you know and um. so I think what we need now is more. strength uh and if you had somebody. strong with resolve I think Mexico would.
say okay let's go after them it wouldn't. take much some special forces units you. know hell we bomb Zara he doesn't affect. hardly any. Americans yet we're not willing to ba. bomb the cartels and they're killing. Americans to the tune of 100,000 a. year well the whole yeah. it's you have to meet force with Force. like this is the only way that we're. going to have to have we're going to. have some hard times we're going to have. to get we're going to have to get tough.
with the cartels we're going to have to. get tough with letting people into this. country I mean one thing we learned in. the global war on terrorism. is if we send in the soft units to get. these leaders right. just another. leader yeah just another leader I mean I. think that. the you know the global the GWT was what.
20 20 plus years but I remember a a time. when I was in and I I don't remember. exactly which period of time it was and. how long this period of time last but I. remember getting Intel reports saying. that the number. two had about a two-e life expectancy. and it was just boom boom every two. weeks there's another number two and so. how do you really. affect the. cartel you know that's a great that's a.
great question and you're always going. to have somebody backfill it but I think. it's different in the sense of what you. deal with in the terrorists over in the. Middle East you know it's driven by a. whole totally different thing what. drives it here is financially I mean. these guys are fighting over the money I. mean you still when took Chapo off it. created instability amongst the caloa. cartels you got Sara you got Los salares. you you got the chapitos you know and.
every time you take those people off it. that does create a vacuum but it also. creates. instability right now they're just they. everything's working for them the only. people benefiting from the open border. policies right now are the cartels I. mean that's who's benefiting yeah um and. we can't continue to fund people coming. to this country we have people we have. veterans that are being not looked after. we have people that paid into Social. Security their entire life and they. might get a check for $1,700 a month. while you're giving illegals right now.
$2,200 a month you're giving them hotel. rooms you're giving them food like this. is a that's a slap in the face to. Americans I mean what do you think I've. thought about this a lot I've talked to. you know Eric Prince thinks we should go. after China with when it comes to the. fent and all stuff because that's where. the it it originates you know a lot of. people uh I interviewed DeSantis he. thinks we should send in you know teams.
to get the military to to to get into it. with the cartels I think. the I think the way to do it is a scop. war and turn these cartels against each. other cuz they're always at war with. each other right and so if we and we're. great at propaganda that's pretty damn. obvious at this point we are really. [ __ ] good at spreading propaganda and. [ __ ] lies especially in our own. country and so if we. inserted some operatives down there uh.
or just recruited some assets you know. maybe if the I don't know the FBI. actually did their [ __ ] job or I. don't know maybe the CIA could get. involved any anybody man the border. patrol although I'm pretty sure that's. out of their scope but I mean if you. were to send in. and or recruit some. assets and start a scop war and you make. these cartels think that each other is.
the. enemy the probably the problem probably. I mean I think there's a high potential. it would take care of itself with. minimal with minimal funding with. minimal exposure I mean we do this [ __ ]. all over the world you know we do it all. over the world we could have with these. guys too and I agree would be it's all. it's a lot of ego yes in there too it's. a machismo thing and really it's about.
the money that's what makes it different. I don't think it's fundamentals it's not. religion it's not it is about money it's. about making money off of humans and. drugs and so I think if you can create. instability in that and and and let them. fight each other it would be a huge. benefit to us now inevitably some of. that could flow over into America likely. but if you create an unstable situation. there you're a lot less likely to get. all these people showing up as well but.
right now everything's just perfect. everything's setting not perfect in a. good way perfect for the cartels perfect. for people who are trafficking humans. into this country perfect for globalism. I mean everything that is is could take. advantage of this situation is happening. right now are you familiar with how it. works when it comes to look I go to. Nashville airport I see. these these people that don't speak.
English are very obvious not from the US. and they get shuffled through security. they get shuffled to the front of the. line they get shuffled onto the airplane. nobody really knows who they are or or. we what's happening who's facilitating. that I mean our government I our. government's the one facilitating it but. it's designed to to create you know. globalism I mean where do they where do. they where do they round these people up.
from they show up to get checked in at. border patrol and you have NOS waiting. to scoop these people up as soon as. they're released and the NOS are. financially incentivized to send these. people around the country to help them. get to different places to get them. close to get them shelter um then they. send them off to New York Chicago look. all this was happening for years and. I've been saying it was happening for. years yeah there are you're they kept.
talking about DeSantis and and Abbot. over in Texas busing people up to. Chicago and New York for every bus they. sent there was at minimum 10 buses and. 10 plane loads coming from our own. government sending them to Chicago and. New York the problem is is at first it. was it was they were spreading it out. and it was fairly undetectable and we. kept saying wait you you're going to see. it's happening in your area well now you. have places in Kansas with a population. of 12,000 where there's a thousand.
illegals in there I mean this is what's. happened is we filled the cup it's. overflowing now and places like Chicago. and New York are feeling the effects. everybody wants to blame somebody too. and you know they want to blame Governor. Abbott and Des santis when in reality it. was their own policy their own Sanctuary. City policies that encouraged people to. come there they talked about how great. they were how much better they were than. the rest of the country how. self-righteous they they took that.
self-righteous stance and now they got. caught uh in their own words and I mean. I I don't. uh I don't want to say who cares about. Chicago and New York but I mean. technically they did want this yeah. correct yeah I mean they did they they. wanted this they wanted to be a. sanctuary City they wanted to support. this now they don't that's the semi.
problem like now you have exactly what. you want and you can [ __ ] live in. that forever [ __ ] you but but what about. what about all the people in the areas. that aren't a sanctuary City why what. are the why are these Governors taking. this in. I don't know look I mean I think they. think they're doing a good thing and a. lot of them were incentivized by federal. dollars we saw this during covid you.
know during Co I'm like look I'm not. doing the lockdowns I'm not doing the. mass mandates and I'm not doing the. vaccine mandates I'm not doing it and. the county kept saying to me well the. government I said what are they going to. do the only thing they can take from you. is your funding that's it that's where. the federal government gets all these. states and communities over a barrel. because they offer you grant funding if. you if we're going to give you this. covid funding we're going to give you. once you take the money you're done and. so I kept telling them I don't care they. can take all the federal funding I don't.
need it I will adjust my Sheriff's. Office what little Federal funding I get. if I have to lose it I'll adjust what we. do and I'll deal with it accordingly but. but if if you can't take their power. away from them and their power is. federal funding then you're screwed and. a lot of these governors in a lot of. these places are more more interested in. the federal funding that the government. gives them and then they end up falling. into taking things in like this where. they normally wouldn't like how much. funding are we talking about because so.
you bring you you bring in a bunch of. illegals the crime wave goes through the. roof and then you what take take that. Federal funding just a attempt to to. lower the crime rate look at Chicago and. New York York what do they do what's the. first thing they started doing we need. help with this we need some federal. funding to deal with this problem they. want more funding and the government is. like okay we'll give you more Federal.
funding but then they own you after that. and that's the problem is they that's. where the federal government where's the. funding even going though it goes. funding for what what are they doing pay. they're just giving these people an. allowance every month in a in in an. apartment none of is to fix the problem. that's the problem none of it's designed. to fix the problem take homelessness you. take a guy in San Francisco Gets a Job. his job pays him $250,000 a year to deal.
with homelessness and he goes out and he. gets tells the government hey I could. fix this with2 billion we can fix all. the homelessness problem what incentive. does he really have to fix the problem. he doesn't because he loses his $250,000. a year job if he does plus all the. funding that comes in so a lot of these. government people they they're. incentivized by just keeping the pro the. program going or the problem going. because they make good salaries dealing. with the problem second of all the.
government takes it and they use those. Pro they use those funds for different. programs within their states within. their communities within their counties. so the funding goes towards fixing like. drug addiction problems but you can mop. the bathroom floor all day long until. you turn the tub water off your you your. efforts are futile. so my point is stop spending the money. on trying to fix Band-Aid put Band-Aids. on the problem and actually to take the.
money and apply it to the to the source. of the problem if we would actually take. money and put it towards fixing the. Border problem then we would spend less. money and then we could deal we could. eliminate a lot of this backend nonsense. that goes on but everybody is is got a. piece of the pie and everybody whether. it's an NGO that wants more funding and. and they've got their when Tucson was. going to lose their funding um a bunch. of the NOS because they hadn't passed. the government budget yet a lot of these.
NOS were getting in the media and crying. about how they were going to lose their. funding and now we're going to have to. kick people on the street and this and. that the second they signed that bill I. haven't heard a thing from those NOS. about funding anymore why because they. got their money and they were the City. of Tucson was was actually contemplating. allocating some of the money to deal. with the backend issues of it from. taxpayer. dollars it's just it's all re it's all. about money and there's a lot of people.
that uh and I don't know what the motive. is because it doesn't feel like there's. a motive but they are on their own. little level they are. incentivized to continue de to treat the. symptoms of the problem as opposed to. treating the actual. problem damn. let's talk about your your run for. Senate that's why all of this is part of. the reason why I decided to do it like I.
when I read for Sheriff I'm not a. politician like I tell people I I'm a. patriot who loves God family freedom and. the Constitution that's why I do what I. do um I love the rule of law and then. I'm willing to fight for it but as a law. enforcement guy you know when the. building's on fire it's not in my nature. to just stand there and watch it burn to. the ground or when you see a problem you. just stand there and wait for somebody. else to deal with it what I saw in this. country was a problem the buildings on.
fire and and really it's the main issues. no matter where I go in the country are. border the economy crime and National. Security those are the the the. preeminent issues no matter where I go. especially in the state and that number. one and two are always Border in economy. and. so when when I was coming to the end of. the last election cycle I wasn't running. I was making fun of everybody who was. running a Statewide race this is what. you get from making fun of people don't.
do it my wife and I look like look at. these idiots running for a Statewide. election here I am so my wife and I. actually decided that we were we were. going to not we were going to come up. with a list of reasons of why not to do. this and in that process we started. feeling very compelled to do it I'm. going to share a couple personal stories. with you that kind of drove me to this I. have five children my middle son Cooper. uh when he was 14 or 15 started hanging. around the wrong people got into drugs.
eventually started getting into even. fenel and um at one point we were said. we said you can't drive our cars you you. cannot drive our cars and we went to a. charity event and I get a phone call. from my son Cooper He says Dad I just. hit a guy on a. bike and so we hustled out of there. drove over to where he was I get out of. the car I check on my son I look at him.
I'm like hey are you okay yes I walk. over to the guy I see the guy laying on. the ground and I'm just praying this guy. and you know they're they're working him. the the firefighters are working him and. I'm just praying he doesn't die CU if he. dies I mean we got problems we got. problems anyway but so go back to my son. and one of the hardest things I've ever. done in my entire life was my son. standing there he's there's eight cops. standing around him and I looked him in. his face and I said I have to leave you.
here if I stay here they're going to say. that I influence this case in some way. so you're on your own he was 18 or I. think he was 18 or 19 at the time and so. one of the hardest things to do was to. walk away from him get in my car and. drive away and let. consequences um let him deal with the. consequences of his. decisions and ultimately the guy did not. die the guy survived my son got. sentenced the way the law works is by.
the time you get sentenced is usually. two years later so he had some more. struggles and part of the reason my wife. and I wrote our first book my First Book. American Sheriff Traditional Values in. the modern world I wrote that book and. my wife wrote her book sheriff's wife. Traditional Values in a modern world so. I to pay for the legal fees and the and. the the the lawsuit that of getting hit. cuz he lived in my house he was driving. one of our cars and he hit the GU so we.
became financially responsible for it so. to be able to pay for that and to be. able to pay the lawyers fees my wife and. I wrote books and we went and sold those. books every weekend at gun shows and any. other event we could go to so that we. could pay for my son's legal expanses so. by the. time um about a 6 months eight months. later my son actually starts pull out of. it and he cleans his life up and he goes. cold turkey from fentanyl to cold turkey.
and he had been clean about a year and a. half and he ends up going and doing six. months in my jail you want to know how. you treat your your inmates put your own. kid in your own jail and you'll find out. real quick but my son had to do his own. time and I made him do his time straight. up like anybody else would and um so my. son gets out of jail and I tell you this. whole story because it's part of why I'm. running for the. Senate when he gets out I tell him I. said look I'm considering running for. the Senate this is October and my son.
says uh I said but if I do it they're. going to drag everything about you. hitting the guy on the bike it's going. to come back full front full force. they're going to trash you they're going. to trash me and he's like Dad I know I. understand but I think you you got to do. what you got to do you're doing it for. the right reasons and so I don't know. that I would have done it fast forward. to December he's working he's got his.
fiance his baby is 11 months old and my. son goes to work one day it's December. 16th my wife and I were that I was out. at a dinner and I'd been out rapping. been doing some Christmas shopping my. wife was out rapping presents at our H. at our house and I get home about 30. minutes later 8:30 at night I get a. knock on the door and we open the door. and it's the sheriff from the. neighboring County Sheriff Penzone two. of my Chiefs and two guys from Gilbert.
PD and my chief who's known my kids for. a long time since they were little kids. he just looked at me and all he could. say is Cooper and the baby are. dead in an instant I lost my 22-year-old. son my 11-month old granddaughter and my. sunby daughter-in-law died a few days. later she was like a daughter to us cuz. we we had had her she had come out of. drugs and we she lived with us for two. years while we brought them out of.
drugs and so all three of them died in a. in the blink of an eye to a guy driving. in the influence of alcohol and. drugs at that point my wife and I. weren't interested in doing anything I. wasn't interested in running for a. senate wasn't interested in running for. a sheriff I didn't even want to get out. of bed we were just we were devastated. and so finally about 3 weeks after we do.
the funeral and I don't remember what it. was but somebody said something to me. and just like that boom it sparked me. back in and what I realized I looked at. my wife and we knew immediately this is. what we had to do and what it reminded. us is there is no guarantee for tomorrow. and the only thing you take with you in. this life is what you do and. so we looked at that experience and said. we're going to get up we're going to. dust ourselves off we're going to move. forward we're going to do what the.
Lord's asking us to do and so at that. point we were full force we didn't want. to do the Senate thing I'm not a. politician like somebody said to me the. other day they said so now Sheriff your. goal is to go to Washington DC and and. do this and that and I stopped him and. said my goal is not to go to Washington. DC my goal is to save God family freedom. in this constitution if that means I. have to go to DC to do it then so be it. I can get all dressed up for nothing so.
let's do it so we get into the senate. race and that's why we're here now you. know it's not tough like being in the in. politics is rough man you they say you. want to know what you did wrong in life. run for office you'll find out whether. you did it or didn't do it you're going. to find out that's how politics is but I. believe what Aristotle says that he says. the only way to avoid criticism and is. to do nothing say nothing or be nothing. well I refuse to not do anything I.
refuse to not say anything and I. certainly refuse to not be anything so. my wife and I made the decision that we. were going to do this and um we don't. know what the outcome is but what we do. know is if we have a good attitude and. work hard God will take care of the rest. and I'm in the arena I'm slugging it out. and I don't know what the outcome will. be but for me and my kids it was about. getting in the arena and doing what you. can to save this.
country there. Mark I'm sorry about your son thank you. and your grandkid yeah and your. daughter-in-law thank. you it happens you know you get a lot of. people and I know you've probably faced. it I I get people all the time that get. angry with God. because they think God in some way had. something to do with it or could have. stopped a bad thing and we kind of. talked about this. earlier at my core what I love is.
freedom I love. it what happens in this world is not. because God doesn't care what happens in. this world is because God does care he. gave us freedom he cared enough to give. you Freedom with freedom comes the good. and the bad there must be opposition in. all things if you want freedom you can't. take the good and not expect the bad to. come the way I look at bad things in.
this world is I actually take it and I. to me I give God even more credit that. he has the ability to sit and watch us f. it all up and and treat each other. horribly and to hurt one another and to. do these things but he he the the. principle of freedom is so great that he. has to step back and say I have to let. these things happen and I want I'm okay.
with it I lost a son and a granddaughter. and and a daughter-in-law but I'm okay. with it because the alternative is to. have no freedom for the everything to be. crafted in a way where none of us get. hurt and to me that's not what freedom. is if you want freedom there is pain. that's where the growth is but Freedom. comes with risk and pain and I think. more than anything we shouldn't be angry. with God we should be happy that God is.
willing to stand aside and let. us exercise our freedom and make the. decisions for ourselves good or bad so. in this life I don't blame God for bad. things happening I look at it and say. somebody used their freedom and made a. bad decision it took something from me. but I get it because I exercise my. freedom in different ways and I don't. want anything to jeopardize my freedom. that same passion is what drives me to.
fight for my country and yes do bad. things happen that I have to sit by and. watch happen do I have to listen to. people that I don't agree with when I. want to protect the First Amendment yes. I do I hate what they say but I'll fight. them I'll fight anybody for their right. to do it and so so I think um you know. we took that experience and instead of. being angry with God we said thank you. we will move forward and we're going to.
use this experience as as fuel to drive. us in the direction we're. going that's a lot of strength. man thank you for sharing that you're. welcome thank. you let's talk about we had spoken on. this earlier but I think it's important. for everybody to hear we I had asked you. at. breakfast what what is the process for. running for. Senate you know I don't know what the if.
there's a set process I actually had a. guy call me the Friday before I turn in. my. signatures and he says hey you know we. really could use you on the campaign. Trail talking about the. Border um being a real mouthpiece for. that but to do that you need. to um step away from the senate race and. mind you this gentleman had called me at. least once or twice before I've probably.
had at least eight to 10 people come and. try to talk me out of doing it and um. who are these. people um people that people that are. with the people I'm running against um. you know people coming from other. political worlds you know from. DC uh but they came to me and said hey. you know we want you to do this but you. got to get out of the senate race I said. well I I I appreciate that but I can't. get out of the senate race you know I. support Trump I'm I'm not getting out of.
the senate race I'm in it because I feel. the need to do this and and they said. well we should just all get behind one. person I said I agree I think I bring. the skill set for that I understand the. Border I've been a sheriff I understand. what it means to be in politics I. understand what it means to ser serve. Republicans Democrats and independents. everybody I think I'd be the right. person for it they said well you didn't. get permission to do it like permission. from who that's what immediately I said.
I don't need permission I don't need. permission to run you know what I need. permission from is my wife that's it or. the people that's who I need their. permission for if they sign my petition. that's their permission that I get to do. this for them I don't need permission. he's like well you know I didn't mean. permission and you know like I said no. yes you did do you know this person yeah. I do yeah can I ask who it is uh I don't. want to blast that put the guy on blast.
but you know it it it came from from. Trump. World um and look I you know I've always. been a very big strong supporter of it. of trump and I his policies and it was. kind of disappointing and I said look I. did talk to president Trump about. running I did talked to him we went we. met at maral Lago and I talked that. night you know I talked to my opponent. now Carrie Lake she was one of the ones. that talk me into running and I said. okay I think I'm going to do it then we.
walked over to president Trump's table. and we told him and he goes well that. doesn't constitute getting permission I. was like look man I don't need. permission from anybody good for you man. and so when we talk about the process. the process is really no particular. process you just have to go out and get. the signatures 7500 signatures 7,000. signatures to get on the ballot so what. you have to do is you got to file your. paperwork for your campaign Federal. campaign then you got to go out and get. the signatures and you're I mean I've. been stumping I've given speeches.
hundreds and hundreds of speeches in the. last a year and a half all over the the. state and and outside of the state and. what you're trying to do is raise money. but the worst and we kind of talked. about this the most disappointing part. of it is when you go to DC they say. hey who uh how much money can you raise. that's the first question they ask not. like what's your background what kind of. strengths do you have how much money can. you raise and if that doesn't tell you.
the state of our politics in this. country that it's all about money you. know I was telling you earlier there's. the saying that absolute power corrupts. absolutely and I saw somebody else had a. different take on it it's not that. absolute power corrupts absolutely it's. that absolute power is a magnet for the. corruptible. and so in politics and in DC what we. have is people that have been drawn to. the to the power the magnetized towards. the power but they are corruptible. people and when they get to DC the money.
corrupts them and whether it's you know. you took money to to get your campaign. going or maybe they have blackmail on. you maybe you were you know you went to. the wrong party and they got video of. you doing something or whatever it is is. you know they tend to get something on. you to where you now are over a barrel. and um so the trying to stay out of that. is what I've been doing here's what I. said to my wife I said I'm going to run.
an honorable race I'm going to win with. honor or I'm going to lose with honor. I'm not going to be negative I'm going. to stay focused on what who I am and. what what um experience I bring to the. table and why I think I'm right for the. job and then I am going to work hard and. everything else is outside of my fate. you know it's outside of my control and. so what that's what we've done and I've. actually gotten rid of a couple. different Consultants because I didn't. want to go down the negative Road and.
and like most politicians the second. they get their back up against the wall. they want to attack they want to lash. out as opposed to just having the cool. calm cool temperament to say what kind. of problem I am and how do I get out of. it um and I think in politics Americans. hungry for somebody that's authentic and. the way they get out of it is just tell. me who you are and let me decide if I. want to vote for you yep and so the. process has really just been a lot of. hard work speaking to a lot of people.
going out and getting the signatures. being a positive person addressing the. issues talking about the experience I. have there is no other candidate in this. race with more experience on the border. on crime I run an agency with a budget. of over $60 million I'm expected to. balance that budget and stay within that. budget that understands National. Security frankly I will be the most. knowledgeable senator in the Senate as. it relates to the border and and and. crime at.
breakfast you had mentioned that they. wanted you to leave the senate race and. run against my friend Eli crane yes who. wanted you to leave the senate race and. run against the elite crane so I got a. call from a guy that knows me and he's. in DC and he said hey look some Powers. at be in. DC want to know and he didn't tell me. who they were I suspect that they were. probably the McCarthy guys like cuz Eli.
crane went against McCarthy um what what. Eli crane did was go he went for the. American people and then people in. politics take offense to that when. you're not on their you know team or. whatever um so Eli does the vote they. get rid of McCarthy well these people. call me and sayy hey there are some. people in DC they they say you are. wildly popular in your District your. congressional district um which is where. Eli crane is would you consider running. against Eli Crane and I said let me stop.
you right there I said first of all. unlike you people in DC I'm loyal and. Eli crane is my friend so no I won't run. against Eli crane number two I have zero. desire to run for Congress I barely want. to run for Senate why would I want to. run for something I have to run for. every two years I don't want to do that. and number three if I win if I step away. that's as good as giving uh that race. over to gyo in Arizona and honestly we.
cannot do that so those were my three. reasons and they said okay message. received we'll we'll send it back and I. never heard from them again but I. thought it was sad that they were out. trying to recruit people to run against. good people like Eli Crane and you. know everybody wants wants somebody to. stand up for him but then they get a. little bit uncomfortable when the work. gets when it gets a little hairy when it. gets a little scary when the bullets. start to fly and Eli crane was actually. in the middle of it doing what he was.
supposed to do defending Americans and. saying look you're out you're broken we. got to fix it at some point we can't. keep kicking can down the road and a lot. of these politicians want to just keep. kicking can down the road they want to. keep up with what the system that. they've created for themselves and he. was not willing to do that and that's. what we need are elected officials and. frankly to do to to fix what we're going. to fix is going to take extreme. courage yeah and if you know what. courage means courage is defined as not.
deterred by danger or pain that's what. the definition of courage is and so if. you want to fix this country you have to. understand there's dangers with it and. there's pain that comes along with it. but if not we're going to we're going to. drive ourselves into the ground and. we're we're almost there. I want to go back just a little. bit. so Carrie. Lake I don't want to say endorsed but.
supported your decision to run for. Senate correct yes and then she's. decided later on to run against you yeah. we met at maral Lago December 2nd 2022. gave me a call I was out there speaking. calls and says hey come on over to Mar. Lago and let's uh have dinner so we go. over there really cool I didn't bring a. coat so they gave me some funky little. tuxedo coat I had to wear in there. but it's got like a tail on it so I'm. walking around with this tuxedo jacket.
on but you have to have a coat to eat at. the maralago restaurant right on and so. we go in there and we sit down it's my. wife and I and her and her husband and. two of her campaign people and um we're. talking about the race they like hey you. got to run they were all excited this. nobody else can do it you're the guy you. got the name recognition we can do like. this Yellowstone theme and all this. stuff and and I'm telling them like look. I'm pretty close to doing it I hadn't. lost my kids at that point I it was two.
weeks later I lost my kids and I said. I'm pretty I'm pretty I'm I'm pretty. confident I'm going to do it so then we. walked over and it's funny because if. you sit in marago president Trump um he. creates a playlist every day and when he. goes to dinner at night at at the. restaurant he does the playlist and when. a song comes on that he likes he turns. the music up really loud so he can hear. the song but we walk over to his table. between songs and she says hey you know.
I and I met Trump plenty of times and we. had gone to the White House several. times and she says Hey Sheriff Lamb's. considering running for the Senate he. say is that right yeah said yeah you. know think I'm I'm going to do it and um. and that was pretty much it you know. then I went back and then I lost my kids. and then um January or February or March. is when I really got serious about it. again and and and filed the paperwork. and. so then she decided to run after that.
and look you know I don't get too. emotional about those things you know. you you decide if you're going to get in. the arena at that point who it doesn't. matter who your opponent is you know if. you're going to if you're going to go do. this you're going to go do it no matter. who they throw at you and so we went in. there knowing that that might be the. case and uh it's not going to affect how. I run my race because I'm not running my. race geared towards somebody else yeah. I'm running a race about me and about.
what I think I can do and why I think. I'm the best person for Arizona and. because I do it that way it doesn't. matter who you put in there with me do. you have any inclination on why she. decided to run against you after. basically supporting your decision I do. I think it was because I went to to. Congress and testified in front of. Congress and during those testimonies. one of the congressmen Daniel. Goldman um not my favorite don't know. him I doubt he watches your show but if.
he does Daniel you're not my. favorite it's a nice way of saying it so. anyway he um he immediately starts in. like on the election stuff and at one. point he's like well do you is there. fraud in the election I said yeah. there's fraud in every election what. there is and I said yeah you know people. voting for dead people people voting too. many times if you drop off the wrong you. know ballots on in a box that you're not. supposed to and he says okay okay but do.
you have evidence of large scale. material fraud and I said I have zero. evidence of large scale material fraud. now I'm I'm under oath I'm not going to. lie I don't have evidence of large scale. material fraud if I did I would have re. charged it already what I didn't. quantify it with was panau County and. I've heard through the grave fry that. was their reasoning was oh he's not. America First and he doesn't believe in. that the election was you know uh not.
right and whatever look I just to. testified to the truth and none of us. had evidence of large scale material. fraud if we did we'd have charged it. that's different than onesies and. twosies and you know like having large. scale material fraud means you got have. evidence that you can prove in a court. Beyond A Reasonable Doubt I don't live. in the world of feelings or what you. think might have happened I live in the. world of what you can prove and what you. can prove Beyond A Reasonable Doubt and.
unfortunately I didn't have that and so. when I testified to that that I think. was the Catalyst to to get in her in the. race interesting. interesting have you had a lot of. personal attacks. ah you know one of the blessings about. one of the frustrating things about this. race is they're pretending like I don't. exist or they're pretending that it's a. two-person race that doesn't include me.
and um we see it very different we've. known that I've always seen myself as. the Titan like I'm the twice elected. official you know I've got all the. experience in the border and all these. things and so we have always seen. ourselves as the having an advantage. um when you have 100% name recognition. either people hate you or love you it's. very hard to move the needle either way. and so those are things that we knew. going into this and so we felt pretty. comfortable about it there's been.
personal attacks they attack your you. know your family they you know I've been. accused of running child pedophile Rings. I've been my wife's been accused of. being a drug addict you know they' go. after my kids they go after everybody um. but you know it's part of the business. which is not shouldn't be part of the. business bu but it is and I don't look. for sympathy for anybody I knew what I. was getting into but you know the worst. attacks come from they don't come from. the other side they come from my own. party yeah Republicans are the worst. about attacking. themselves and all of the big things.
that I've been hit on have been things. that Republicans have come up with. interesting so what a shame you know. it's such a shame you know and it's look. all I'm trying to do is try to better my. country I know not I'm not this isn't. what's most fin ially advantageous to me. it's not that I want to go back and be. in DC and and that Cesspool you know. that Viper pit that's not what I want to. do I'm doing it because I felt like why.
should I wait for somebody else to run. in this building especially when I have. the the ability there's an old Danish. saying says Whoever has the ability has. the. responsibility and if you read the. Declaration of Independence in the. Declaration of Independence in those I. don't remember exact how it goes but. basically it says that if you can do. something about it you should and so. that's why I'm doing it I'm not doing it. because it's going to make me money or. or any of those things I'm doing it. because I'm trying to be a true.
representative of the people like I have. been his Sheriff I just realize I can't. I can protect my herd from the Wolves. but at some point if somebody doesn't. hunt those wolves they're going to. multiply and replenish and eventually I. won't be able to stop them and so what I. realize is for me to hunt those wolves I. got to go to DC and I got to deal with. those problems at on a national level. because I can't fix them on a on a local. level so we're in it yeah yeah are.
you worried at who might take your spot. or Sheriff that was one of the biggest. worries I had I wouldn't have done this. and had not found somebody it probably. one of the most important things I'm. concerned about really three main races. in this cycle I'm concerned about who. wins the sheriff and they go in this. order by the way I want to make sure. that my friend Ross te who we handpicked. to run for Sheriff when his name came. out it was immediate I knew immediately.
that was the right person and he has. done an amazing job of fighting for it. but I'm very concerned about him getting. in I want to make sure the county. attorney that we have can gets in. because he's been amazing to work with. and he gets the balance of the rule of. law where you where you should be kind. and where you need to be tough and then. the third thing is is um my election I'm. number three on the list uh because I. think our lives are more affected by our. local politicians than they are by um.
Federal politicians and so that's why I. think getting a good sheriff and getting. our County attorney who's great getting. them reelected is what's really. important for me man it's interesting. you say that cuz that's where I was. going to go next was you know I hear. I'm going to be honest I'm about this. close to thinking DC is completely gone. maybe I'm already there yeah and I'm not. admitting it I don't know but and you.
hear all the time that the local. politics is what affects your everyday. life. and it seems to. be it's starting. for me it's starting to look like local. politics is where you'll have the. biggest. impact and you just said it and so I'm. really curious now to. hear why are you going to give up your. seat in your county where you're making.
a huge difference to go to DC with all. the rest of the. scumbags you know we asked ourselves. that question a lot because when I got. into being the sheriff I thought this. country was heading to a place where. there would be pockets of freedom and. and what I tried to create and and what. I tried to Foster was a pocket of. freedom in panau County um the but we we.
are in a good place and it's not. necessarily that I wanted I want to stay. there I would have liked to have stayed. there but I probably would have only. stayed there one more term anyway cuz. financially I still have a family that I. need to care for I want to make sure I. can retire at some point and so I was. either at that point where you're the. sheriff for 20 30 years or you're going. to have to move on to the private sector. and so I was at a point where I I felt. like our County was good that I could. hand the Baton off onto somebody that.
was like-minded who believed in the. Constitution Second Amendment the rule. of law and wasn't afraid to stand up to. the government because I've always said. my job as a sheriff I'm not the. government I am your county sheriff my. job is to protect you from the bad guys. and from government overreach that's my. job and so it was really hard I mean cuz. I think that that is we are in a place. where DC might be gone you know I have. to hope like how many people stood in. front of the tanks in tanan.
square I don't know one one dude went. out and stood in front of those tanks in. tenan square and changed the. dynasty so I have to believe that one. person can still make a. difference whether I'm that person or. not I know but I felt compelled to do it. and if I am that person then I'll stand. in front of the tanks if it that's what. it takes to restore this. country we may be got too far gone I. don't know what I do know is in the end.
if you're a Christian you know how this. story ends in the Battle of Good and. Evil which is exactly what we're in in. the Battle of good and evil evil does. not Prevail and so I'm going to do. everything I can to to try to save the. Constitution and and restore it and. hopefully turn DC around I don't know it. might be too far gone I might I'm right. there with you but I have to try MH it's. not my nature to to raise the White Flag.
especially when you're in a position to. do something about it and so that's why. I'm doing it good for you good for. you we need guys like you up there I. want to segue into back into some of the. stuff that's going on in the country. country and the crime wave you. know I thought this stuff was only. happening certain places like California. New York.
Illinois these type of places you know. where you have these criminals they. commit a crime and. then within a couple of hours they're. released back in back into society even. even yesterday had a good friend um. who was eating dinner with him at my. house and and he lives in St Louis and. he told me that his daughter his. 17-year-old. daughter was it was a driveby shooting.
somebody drove up next to her stitched. four four shots right into the side of. her. car he told her to go go to the nearest. hotel they called the police parents. showed up police didn't do anything they. they weren't they nothing they didn't. even want to write a report they wound. up writing a report just to give to the. insurance so that they could get the car. fixed through insurance but they said. we're not going to go after them we're.
not even we're not going to we're not. going to do anything and here's why. because we'll go get them we'll put them. in jail and then they'll be back on the. street in just a matter of hours and you. hear this you hear this all over the. country now it predominantly resides. what you got is you had guys like George. Soros and those guys that actively were. out trying to get um they know that. sheriffs are a little bit harder guys. that are sheriffs are typically rule of. law guys police of chiefs kind of the.
same thing um so what they did is they. started going after County. attorneys attorney generals District. Attorneys and getting those people. elected I can go arrest people all day. long which is what the cops are. basically saying if the county attorney. and the judge are releasing people. because you've you've now appointed a. ton of T ton of Judges that don't want. to uphold the law and you've appointed. or elected district attorneys or County. attorneys or attorney generals that are.
not going to hold up people accountable. based on Dei standards or because they. had a tough upbringing or because they. were raised in poverty or whatever it be. or their skin color or whatever that's a. problem and what you're doing is that. goes back to democracy because you are. mob rule you're more afraid of what the. mobs will come in and do and the their. their Havoc they will reap on you if you. arrest the wrong person so you're what.
you just do is you just release them and. it creates just chaos and it and what it. does is to us it disincentivizes us. makes us not want to go out and do our. job and then you take places like. Illinois or St Louis or lot some of. these places I don't know if St Louis. says but you know they tried states are. trying to remove qualified immunity from. police well qualified immunity they've. now painted as this oh cops can do. whatever they want and nobody ever holds. them accountable that's not true like if.
qualified immunity protects you when you. do your job if you break the law. qualified immunity does not protect you. as a police officer but if you are doing. your job if I go and I I'm doing CPR on. an elderly lady and I crack her rib cage. while I'm doing it. um I am doing my job they can't come. back and sue you and take your house and. take everything you've tried to build. over the last several years or. throughout your career in an instant. that's what when you take away qualified.
immunity what you're doing is you're. exposing police officers to um civil. lawsuits when we do our job if I walk in. I rough somebody up now all of a sudden. the my agency determines or the county. had determines I was out of line or I. didn't follow policy they can sue me and. now I'm at the risk of losing what I've. tried to build my house my car my money. my bank account so what incentive do. cops have to respond to calls. anymore if they're going to let you out.
and and frankly you're going to make me. be uh liable civy if I do something. wrong we got cops getting charged for. doing things doing their job they're. getting charged why to appease the. masses. because you have police Chiefs and other. people that are too they're not too. cowardly to stand up and go no my guy. was doing his. job and that's the problem and I see it.
more and more we saw during Co people. taking a knee you know after what we saw. in Minnesota the George Floyd in. incident you saw these police Chiefs. going out and taking knees and all that. stuff let me tell you something when you. show weakness you they will come after. you they don't stop coming after you. they think if well if I appease the. Masters they'll leave me alone no once. they know you're weak they're going to. come after you hardcore they'll continue. to push on you once you pass one law.
that is geared towards police reform. then they're going to continue to go. there's no appeasing these folks you got. to go you got to stand up for what is. right the regardless of how hard it is. that's what honor is you stand up for. what is right no matter what the. consequences are no matter how hard it. is you do what is right and people say. to me well Sheriff you say that because. you're a sheriff and you're you're. elected every four years and I and I. always tell people that's true but. police Chiefs can say what they want too.
they may lose their job but you can say. what you want nobody's going to stop you. from saying it well that's one thing I. get tired of hearing is I'm just doing. my job I do too that [ __ ] doesn't cut it. anymore man not for me either you know I. don't care I hear that [ __ ] with all. kinds of law enforcement agencies. federal agencies is I'm just doing my. job I hate it you're just doing your job. your job is to protect the people your. job is to protect their constitutional.
rights and your job is to stand up for. what is Right regardless of the. consequences and right go get a new job. that's the thing and I always tell these. Chiefs and tell you guys it wasn't the. police officers in this country that. didn't hold the line it was the. leadership in this country or the. supervisors in this country who cow toow. to the Mob and then it changed our. profession in a way and you just frankly. can't throw a blanket of Reform on the.
entire country it just doesn't work that. way yeah I mean you asked me to do a. hard job I'm out there doing it I'm. running towards evil I'm running towards. danger my people are and I need some I. need I'm going to do it and I'm going to. do it the right way and I prefer that. you not come out you know like the old. Jack Nicholson thing you know don't. question the manner in which I try to do. it yeah let's talk about the the. defunding the police movement oh.
jeez or your favorite topic. right I actually like talking about it. because I think it's Preposterous what. do you think do you think there was a. long-term goal with. this it goes back to what I said before. if you're going to change America you. must start by weakening the rule of law. you must turn the people against the. police you must do you must create. instability and Chaos in communities. what it does is it creates a need for.
government people look to government as. the answer and I'm out here to tell you. government the answer for nothing like. don't ask them to be the answer for. anything they're usually the authors of. the chaos um they feed into it the media. feeds. this was by Design to change the country. and to change it you have to undermine. the rule of law let people out get rid. of bonds get you know if if you taken. into I mean there's people that are.
hardcore criminals that are attempting. murder murder that are getting released. without bonds I don't get this I don't. so with the. def I've talked about this several. times I feel like the defund the police. movement was a way to restructure the. entire. organization get out the old bring in. the new they demoralized cops they. demoralize Sheriff's. departments they they they they cut the.
funding and now you have this new. wave of people signing up they don't. want the Lions anymore you know there's. have you ever heard the asop fable about. the lion and the farmer's daughter uhuh. so this asop who writes all these fables. and just to tell your listeners aso's. fables don't always end well but asop he. writes all these little stories well one. of the stories is a lion and a farmer so. this lion falls in love with this.
farmer's daughter and the lion comes. around to the farm and the farmer sees. the lion and he's like oh I'm really. uncomfortable with this you got sharp. teeth and you got sharp claws and I. don't know about this I don't know if I. want you dating my daughter you know and. the Lion's like no no no. my teeth and my claws are for to protect. your daughter like that's what I use. them for I would never hurt your. daughter and so the farmer is like I. don't know I'm still not comfortable. with it but he sees that the lion and.
his daughter are just Fallen deeper and. deeper in love and so finally the lion. comes to the farmer he says Hey listen I. would love your daughter's hand in. marriage and I'm embellishing the asop. Fable by the way but he comes and says. I'd love your daughter's hand in. marriage and and the the farmer says on. one condition because I'm really. uncomfortable with you that you remove. your teeth and your. claws and the lion goes home and he. thinks about it but his love is so deep. for his daughter that he's not seeing.
clearly and so he goes and he has his. teeth and his claws removed and he comes. back and he tells the farmer hey I. removed my teeth and my claws and the. car farmer picks up a club and clubs him. to. death the moral to the story is I use it. all the time with the SE Amendment never. give up your teeth and your claws and. this lion you need people out there with. sharp teeth and sharp claws we are what. defend your daughters from the evil from. the people and the very same people you.
know it's that the other saying is you. know the the the Sheep will spend their. entire life worrying about the wolf only. to be eaten by the shepherd you know and. that's kind of where we're at we've got. to really kind of see who is the wolves. and who is. who's really out to get us and so you. cannot give up your teeth in your claws. law enforcement yes we have sharp teeth. and we have sharp claws but we are use. them to protect the people we're not.
going after the people what they want us. to do is declaw and de teeth only to. Club us to death after yeah yeah I mean. it carried on through the. military with the vax mandates with with. all kinds of stuff and now now you see. with what's happening lowest recruitment. numbers can't get anybody in now you. know the Army the US Army wants to bring. the US Army wants to bring back retirees.
up to 70 years. old jeez that's how bad that is how bad. recruitment is right now and they don't. accept it I watched the the. Congressional hearings where they were. beating that lady up about it you know. Josh Holly was talking about it and uh. they think they're okay I mean that's. the thing is they convince themselves. that what they're doing is okay that. everything's still all right and they. don't realize that they're weakening us. you know the rest of the world looks at.
us and laughs at us our friends don't. respect us anymore and our enemies don't. fear us why would you why would you it's. a joke and so. now everybody's running a muck and. that's what that defund the police. movement is it's designed to weaken. everything and nobody wants to be held. accountable anymore everybody wants. somebody to blame it's frankly unmanly. and it is disgusting like I just can't I.
can't stand it when people always have. to make excuses of why things are. happening without accepting any personal. responsibility it's just it's just it's. just it. just I wish I had more positive stuff to. say you know but I just see everything. falling apart I mean I just read this. article the other day. about how the the the country's.
Elites are. now like the big thing now is dual. citizenship and getting out of. here I get it that's how bad it's. getting I look I sit at night and look. at properties all over the country all. over the world I have no desire to leave. I've never abandoned this country but I. get it we're losing what this country. was we're losing what what they built. here but it's not the first you want. hope and I always we've talked about it. earlier and I'm this is still the.
greatest country in the. world there is no other place like. America Freedom still exists here while. it is fleeting Freedom still exists here. this is the Alamo of freedom and it is. incumbent upon us to to defend it this. is not the first time we've hit a crisis. like this in this country we've hit many. of these you know and the founding. fathers can imagine what they did they. broke away from. England at the time the most powerful. country when they decided we've had.
enough they sent them the Declaration of. Independence saying we're done and then. a guy named Thomas Payne who wrote the. book Common Sense but he was one of the. founding fathers great great things um. but Thomas Payne wrote a a series of. pamp because he knew that they needed to. motivate that percentage of Americans. who did not want to go against England. to motivate him to do something about it. and so he wrote something called the. American crisis and in there he put.
these are the times that triy men Souls. the summer Soldier and the Sunshine. Patriot will in this Cris in this crisis. shrink from the service of his country. but he who stands it now deserves the. love and thanks of man and woman tyranny. like hell is not easily conquered yet we. have this consolation with us that the. harder the conflict the more glorious. the. Triumph we're in another crisis and this. is where the the summer soldiers and the. Sunshine Patriots uh are nowhere to be.
found and there is a movement of good. that is happening in this world as much. bad as we are seeing there is opposition. in all things and there is a lot of good. happening and there's a lot of good. people stepping up to take take the helm. and so I I'm I'm. optimistic about us our ability to save. this country I also am you know. understand that the Bible things are. going probably get worse before they get.
better um but I am optimistic that good. things are happening there's good men. like Eli Crane and other people who are. willing to to fill the Gap to step up. and say I will go I will save this. country because it is redeemable it is. worth saving but it's going to take men. with the fortitude to do it men that are. courageous and that are willing to to to. get in the. battle we'll get to some positivity here.
in a minute but I want to before we. close out the crime and all this other. stuff that's going on you. know I never used to pay attention to. local elections cuz I didn't think they. matter now I pay a lot of attention and. I think that the sheriff's office is. probably maybe the most important. elected official in communities and so I. pay a lot of attention I talk to some. people at the sheriff that that I know.
that work at the Sheriff's Office to to. ask like who do you guys want to work. for and why and um and so where I'm. going with this. is what can sheriffs be doing to better. their communities how do they stand up. to this I mean what would. your if you were standing in front. of all of the country. sheriffs what would you tell them it's. the little things you know it's they're. not even little co co was a perfect.
example don't be afraid to stand alone. and stand up for what is right there's a. saying that where a man stands for. Freedom he stands for God where a man. stands for Freedom he stands with God. and where a man stands alone he for. Freedom he still stands with God and. you've got to know that you you may be. alone but you got to stand up for what. is right so my Mantra is fear not do. right and so I always tell you know I. started something called Protect America. now which was sheriffs coming together.
across the country to stand up for the. rule of law to stand up for the. Constitution and to fight against Bad. policies and government overreach and. and and really it's designed not to. we're not here to cause trouble but the. job of our job is to stop bad you know. we we're here to stop the bad guys and. stop government overreach so my message. to Sheriff's is don't be afraid to do. what is right and you may not it may be. hard it's probably going to be very hard.
but it's worth it it's worth standing in. there and fighting for the people it is. one of the most important positions in. in the government because the sheriff is. the last line of defense for. Freedom if they ever come to take guns. it'll be your sheriffs that'll either. allow it or won't allow it if they ever. come to take your freedom of speech. it'll be sheriffs who will allow it or. won't allow it it's probably going to be. sheriffs that are going to have to stand. up and tell the FBI nope we're not doing.
that here get out of my county or the. ATF or whatever it is if they're there. for you know immoral purposes or for. anything that would violate somebody's. rights as a citizen um where a law. really where a law has not been broken. then they need to be standing in the gap. for the people and so I would just my. message to Sheriff's is now we need you. now more than ever stand up for what's. right stand up for the people um because.
they are the last line of. defense thank you for saying that I will. let's move into the positive. portion other than you run him for. Senate but um you know we've spoken. about this. at breakfast I think we spoke about it. downstairs a little bit and you know the. one thing that I do see that's. positive that's happening is you see. this.
massive wave. of Believers in in God and Christ. happening right now I mean it is a. wave of it and. I'm part of it you know and and uh you. know ever since I've come to. I've I'm starting to come to the. realization that this is I personally. believe that this is bigger than any of.
us can even. fathom and I'm with you and it seems to. be and as I think this is a good thing. is it seems to be the only thing that we. we can all come together on cuz we can't. come together on anything else we can't. come together on Race we can't come. together on gender we can't come. together on politics we can't you know. it's just division everywhere you see. right and but this is the one thing the.
one thing. that people seem to be coming together. on and that's pretty damn powerful it is. there's a scripture I always share it's. first or second Timothy 1:7 for God hath. not given us a spirit of fear but of. power and of love and of a sound mind. and really the power in this country is. we the people that's the power I often. tell a story of why zebras have stripes.
you know why zebras have. stripes why it's not for camouflage. because some people say it's camouflage. for their surroundings well no a lion is. tan it could be two feet in front of you. um a zebra you can see from a mile away. I remember I'm. so the scientist wants to understand it. so he goes out he's watching this her of. zebra and he's watching one of the zebra. and he looks down to make a note and. when he looks back up he can't find the. zebra he was watching it mixed in with. all the other zebras so he's like I got.
this I got an idea I'm gonna take a can. of paint goes out the next day takes a. can of paint in his Jeep he's like I'm. gonna paint an x on the butts of a few. of the zebras that way I can watch him. so he goes out takes his Jeep does it. Paints the ax on the butts of a few of. the zebras comes back and he's like. thinks he's pretty slick gets up the. next morning the Predators ate those. zebras what he realized was that the. Predators couldn't hunt the herd they. had to be able to identify one of the.
zebras to be able to hunt them what he. also realized is that the zebra stripes. were not camouflage for their. surrounding it was camouflage for each. other interesting the power of the zebra. stripes was We the People the herd as. long as they stood together as a herd. then nobody could attack them this the. the Predators had trouble but the second. they were able to start petitioning off. they were able to get them and you still. need zebras like me that are going to.
paint a big red X on my butt and walk. out in the field that's I'm running for. office that's what you need but mind you. we're not being hunted by lions we're. being hunted by jackals and hyenas and. our ability to stand together is our. power that's We the People and I agree. with you more people are are realizing. we're in more of a spiritual battle than. anything and our ability to win this is. to stand together regardless of whether. we agree on all on all aspects and there. this the government the media everything.
they do is designed to divide they. divide you on Race religion politics. social ideology covid whatever whatever. they can divide you on they. do like we were talking earlier I always. explain about a flashbang you know. flashbang little grenade canister that. has no shrapnel but we use it when we. sering search warrants or break making. entry into a building you take the pen. you throw it in there boom it's a loud.
noise it's a bright light and percussion. well it's designed to take away your. hearing it's designed to take away your. vision temporarily and it's designed to. discombobulate you so that we can come. in and take control of you we have all. been. flashbanged and if we don't get our wits. about us real quick we're going to be in. big trouble Y and it's we the people as. the power and that starts because people. are realizing we're coming together. under a different concept of of hey this. is a battle of Good and Evil we may not.
agree on everything but I'm on the side. of good and I want to come together to. do what I can to fix. it thank you for sharing that well we're. going to wrap it up here do you have any. last words I do I do um it's a tough. world I mean things are not easy you. know we go through personal struggles. we're going through struggles within our. own country we go through challenges as. we try to better ourselves going back to. the book as a man thanketh by James.
Allen my favorite part of that book is. at the very end he has a quote that says. keep your hand firmly upon the Helm of. thought in the bark of your soul. reclines the commanding Master he does. but sleep wake him self-control is. strength right thought is Mastery. calmness is power say under your heart. peace be. still we all have a commanding Master. inside of us need to wake him or her up. and get him up to the Helm of the ship. to navigate these difficult Waters the.
sea the stormy seas will subside at some. point but it's our job to make sure that. we keep the ship on course and each and. every one of us have a responsibility to. do that and you got to waake the. commanding Master inside of you up and. and and the other thing too is when I. talk to kids I always tell them three. things I tell them be. authentic the world is hungry for. authentic people every single one of us. have different DNA different different.
um um fingerprints our irises are. different it's probably your most. different thing about you there is. nobody else in the world like you if. that doesn't tell you of the godliness. or the majesticness of who you are and. what your purpose here is on this Earth. I don't know what to tell you and the. fact that you woke up this morning. whoever is listening means that your. purpose on this Earth is not done yet so. embrace your authenticity your job is to. share it with the world the second thing.
is is don't be afraid to do the. uncomfortable work one of the books I. love is called you squared by price. pritchet and in there he talks about. taking Quantum leaps in your life not. the 10% not the 20% taking huge leaps. but to do do it you got to take risk and. you got to get into the uncomfortable. area and you got to do things that you. don't know what the outcome is going to. be that's what faith is for you know you. just got to do it sometimes but all the. good stuff in life comes from.
uncomfortable and hard work that's where. the gold is that's where the diamonds. are so you got to be willing to do the. uncomfortable work and the third thing. my last piece of. advice is surrender the. outcome everybody who is angry and. frustrated and and sad or depressed in. this world is because you are trying to. control an outcome that you have no. control over we are becoming a victim of. of what has happened as opposed to.
accepting the fact that you couldn't. change any of that like when I lost my. kids I carry a badge a gun I do DUI. stops all the time there was nothing I. could do to stop them from dying that. night so I can either be angry or. frustrated or sad or I can decide to. take control of the situation and. surrender the. outcome and we can't control what's. happening in DC and we can't control. whatever all what's happening in the. world don't worry about that surrender.
that outcome to something else but what. you can control is your attitude and. your work output and if you can maintain. a good attitude and keep the control of. the Helm of your own ship and control. the area the aspects of your life like. your home life your work output your. whatever baileywick you have you will. find that you will be much happier and. that you will not get into what happens. as much as you are about having the. right attitude and having working hard.
um that's really what's going to Define. your life so be authentic don't be. afraid to do the uncomfortable work and. uh surrender the outcome great word. brother so thank you thank you well Mark. Sheriff I just want to. it was uh it was an honor to have you. here I've been really looking forward to. this interview and uh I'm going to link. all your books on the. description and your campaign I just. wish you the best of luck and uh hope to.
see you up there I appreciate it brother. thank you really do thank you thank you. God bless you too thanks for all you do. [Music]. [Applause]. no matter where you're watching Shan. Ryan Show from if you get anything out. of this please like comment subscribe. and most importantly share this. everywhere you possibly can and if. you're feeling extra generous please.
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