Shawn Ryan Show Special Edition | Wife of accused Navy SEAL War Criminal Andrea Gallagher

this 20-year generation of the 911. generation is going to be so unique. because. they deployed for eddie for this example. he deployed back to back non-stop i. don't think people have a clear grasp. and understanding of the sacrifice that. these families and these men have made. the last 20 years i know for me. being with sean really opened my eyes to.

what actually goes on over there they're. so. quick to just place judgment yeah and. and think that they know. but they have no idea these men have so. much to give. we have to do more we have to be. standing. up for them i was made for this for him. for this purpose.

first let me say how awesome it's been. getting to know. you and eddie and your son ryan and just. like really getting to spend quality. time with the two of you the three of. you. and um and just learning more and more. about you guys and. and seeing you together and not just on. television. so thank you for being here yeah we. we've loved hanging out with you guys we. appreciate you having us. thanks um i really want to start. by diving into when and where.

the andrea and eddie story begins where. did it all start. what's your what's your love story. yeah so it's it's pretty incredible we. have a. a really powerful story so we. had met when we were 16 17 years old um. i was born and raised in indiana and. then eddie was kind of a transplant he. was a military kid his dad was in the. army so they would move every two years. but after his dad exited the military. they actually ended up. in indiana and um.

so eddie and i met for the first time i. had snuck out of the house to. hang out with my friends and be wild and. crazy and ornery i was. very rebellious as was eddie. and so snuck out and met up and it was. at the time was a little abandoned road. called till road and there was a little. abandoned house there and you'd like go. and hang out and like we happened to be. that night smoking weed i came in a.

big hooded sweatshirt and was just you. know. being me and he was like who is this. so yeah he said he fell in love with me. like. that night and was just like you know oh. my gosh um. but we actually became best friends so. um he was just like so familial to me it. was like i grew up with like a lot of. like. boy cousins and that's what it felt like.

like a person that's just like this is. my person this is my. you know and that's how he always was to. me he felt. like my person and so we joke all the. time about how i would page him. and be like if it wasn't two minutes i. get a call back and this one he had a. call from pay phones. and i'd be like 9-1-1 9-1-1 ho ho-ho. do you know how to do that you 304 and. then you turn it over on a pager it's ho. oh i do remember that yeah. that's like hey and i'm like i'm not.

we're not dating we're just best friends. but it was we were just so close and we. would always hang out. and we have the funniest you know. craziest stories together. and um but he was always just. such a sweet guy so so kind. and genuine and very different. than you know a lot of other guys who's. super respectful and kind and. just really you know kind of put me on a. pedestal even back in the day even.

though we were just best friends so. um you know we parted ways i think we. both were kind of striving to get out of. our little town and do life differently. so i can remember there was a time where. we were both out of high school um and. then we had gone to a community college. together um and i just felt like there. was a day that he was gonna tell me. you know we like met and. just the way he was acting was a little. different or weird and i felt like he. was gonna tell me like i love you.

and like do something more um but he. didn't and i ended up going to florida i. met. um i went with a girlfriend i met a guy. there i was like i'm going i'm. moving i'm going to fashion design. school so. i went my way he went his way which was. ended up being he. enlisted in the military shortly. thereafter so our lives just totally. you know took a big turn i ended up. being a mom. and i got married and i really.

just went on this totally different. trajectory while he was in the military. and that was like obviously at the. height of the. war getting into it because he would. have enlisted in 99. and then you know shortly thereafter he. did a couple platoons with the marines. because he is a navy corpsman so the. navy outsources all of their medics to. the marines. so he was actually with you know he did. do some ship tours but then was on. um you know mostly on target with marine. um infantry troops um as a horman.

so yeah he had a whole life experience i. had a whole life experience and. that separation was about 10 years so. then. we reconnected um just totally. random he was coming back through our. little town. he had just graduated well he just had. gone through buds and then sqt. and then he had gone to do like the. sockham program where it's. for the um medics and he was just coming. back through. maybe one last time because his parents.

were putting their house on the market. and just on a whim he called my parents. and asked you know. how i was or how i was doing and if he. could have my number. and i'm like oh hey by the way i'm a. single mom with two kids like. you know and it was like right where. we left off and just friends and just. awesome. so so close and so fun like we just have. the most. fun just authentic sweet relationship. and. and we weren't necessarily like seeking.

to like evolve it but we were just. spending that time together. so he cancelled all of his plans he was. supposed to go like swim with great. whites and go. visit all these people across the. country before he joined up with seal. team one and. none of that happened wow yeah. that's amazing almost serendipitous that. it just all. came together at just that right time. yeah it's it's beautiful yeah and we. we spent those couple weeks together and. i didn't let them meet my kids um. because my ex had left and had an affair.

and was doing all types of crazy stuff. and so i was like i. i have got to have very strict ground. rules i have two kids i'm a mom i'm not. wild and crazy anymore like i love jesus. like. i have to be with someone that has faith. and we have to be like. on the same path like you know and i. gave him like a laundry list of stuff. that i'm like i won't do this i won't do. that like we will not be together before. marriage. that's how i end up pregnant out of. wedlock and married to this. total loser for six years so it's like.

which i got my two beautiful children. but. i really was you know he was taking on a. lot a single mom two kids and i gave him. every rule in the book that you know. we're gonna do this the right way or. it's the highway type of thing and. he was just like okay sounds good and. and by the way. i'm gonna go join the seal teams now. after i've put all this work and effort. and like i don't even know what a navy. seal is. you had no clue i had no clue i i don't. have family that's in the military like. a lot you know like maybe like super old. uncles that had like a military tattoo.

like yeah i was in the military but i'm. like. no like my family my dad and mom like. they're. they're a pacifist and so of course like. i marry a navy seal sniper. so you know my parents are awesome. though they they're very. amazing people but it was a total. no idea what i was getting into which. was probably better. right better for me not to know. wow that's a lot though that's a lot for.

him to take on but. and then also you not knowing i didn't. know either with sean. no idea i mean nobody in my knit a. family is in the military so. you just don't know yeah and military is. one thing but like special operations. too it's like. i don't think anyone could even explain. it to you until you're in it and they're. like oh this is what it is okay. it seems that way yeah it is yep that's. what i'm kind of figuring out. um but now moving forward to.

here we are today but i remember. seeing you first when eddie's case was. in the news. you know it was all over everywhere i. just remember seeing you. stand out the most the hashtag free. eddie shirt. all of that and that's what made me be. like. who is this chick and like what's going. on and like what happened to her husband. but that really made me dive into. seeing what you guys were going through. and then you know obviously sean and i.

were talking about it and. all of that and um i just can't imagine. what you have been through. obviously i can't imagine what eddie's. been through either but you being the. wife. the mother dealing with all this having. eddie locked up. where do you start like how do how does. how can you even like let me in and. explain what that was like yeah. well the best way that i can describe it. is i feel like i was made for this.

for him for this purpose it's like a. little. emotional to think like i knew i knew. him as. you know we were 16 and 17 and to get. back together. and to truly feel that god connected us. for this purpose because i was thinking. about that the other day. i'm like i don't know who could have. done this besides me. i feel like i was who i am my. personality.

my drive everything about what i had. done. leading up to this was all really. a part of how i was able to do what i. was able to do. and to help him and just you know i did. imagery i do. branding and things like that but i um. my my strength is like in my heart and. my love. like i love super deep there's no in. between i either. you know i love you harder that's it. like i don't have like this way to just. not be.

fully invested in the people that i that. i love and that i care about. so i feel like all of my skill sets that. i had been culminating through. my small business that i was running and. all the things that i was doing to help. people. and support people and coach people and. consult and. imagery and how to relate that into. translating a message like it was all. strategically. designed for me to be able to help him. through. this completely unforeseen. event that occurred and the the. navigating it was just like every waking.

hour i would devote to figuring. how to help him to be free from this. like oppressive. just whirlwind that we had been. entrapped in. um so yeah i mean it's hard to put it. into like all of the things that i did. on a. daily basis or how it happened but i do. feel like. um because of my relationship with god. and because i am so faith-based i really. truly from the get-go. i would feel very strongly and.

that we were we were supposed to go. through this. i didn't feel like oh god why are you. doing this to us i. felt like god was allowing us to go. through it and that. um i would feel him telling me like this. is bigger than you. this is bigger than you and that's. powerful it is. and on the day that eddie got locked up. and he got taken from the tbi clinic. it was on 9 11 that they took him. nonetheless from a tbi clinic and they. locked him away in pre-trial confinement.

with at the time we had no idea what. that meant but it would end up being. a seven and a half almost nine month. stent in some type of confinement. even before the day of his trial and. that was super eye-opening for me. i mean i really had held out so much. like faith and hope that like the. command was going to come to our aid. um the invest the investigation would be. done properly and we wouldn't. have to um go into what we went into but. we did and so by the time that he got. arrested. they didn't even have charges against.

him and i was just like. how in the world is this happening and. then i just devoted all of my energy. to really exposing what was going on to. us. and we had not shared it at all. with anybody too much other than very. close friends. because we trusted the system we had. faith that things would. be worked out or people would do the. right thing. but it never happened so then we had to. stand up and that's.

that's why you saw me first was because. they locked eddie away in a jail. and can find him so that he couldn't. have access to. his own defense or his own legal team. was that september 11th. yep that started on september 11th um. 2018 um and then he remained. in pre-trial confinement um all the way. up until. our trial which wasn't until june of the. next year. oh my gosh so how exactly does that. happen like.

cops come to your door or is he taken in. for questioning and then just. he stays there like what exactly. happened. so the situation that we had um. i mean i guess i should start with. initially this is from a deployment that. took place in 2017. so he was with a platoon that was. formerly the worst performing platoon. and he evolved that into the number one. platoon at still team seven. um they got the billet to go to mosul. iraq. and they were there they cleared mosul.

on half the time. eddie was awarded the number one chief. they got number one platoon they cleared. mosul and. it really was just a really paramount. moment in his career. he had really wanted to evolve slowly he. did not want to pick up chief he wanted. to stay operational as long as he could. so he's probably. you know as far as like the scope of how. our friends evolved. um he kept hanging back because he. wanted to be. operational so this was a very big. moment for him to.

be a chief as an e6 e7. go over there perform so well come back. and at the end of the deployment it was. just standard stuff it was just like the. petty stuff that they do that they used. to like just. punch each other in the face if they had. disagreements. um that would have been the 10-year. still team prior but. this group um it was very. passive-aggressive and they were. apparently. having a lot of issues that which eddie. did not know or didn't. recognize that um these guys who had.

been a part of. um many platoons together had kind of. united and. staged a bit of a mutiny and what it's. like an ongoing thing but again eddie. wasn't aware of it because. eddie was the only one staying on target. the full time i think eddie and his oic. jake were the only two and then everyone. would go back every two weeks and do a. week-long rest and refit and then he'd. cycle out the other half of the platoon. so. this embryonic mutiny was actually. starting back at the other base.

that was like the safe house and so. they'd go back there. and they'd drink and they would you know. basically. we're developing this kind of like a. cancer in the platoon. um and that kind of evolved to there was. a couple. big moments i think that eddie was. telling me like it became clear. um to him because it was all going on. very behind the scenes but he. he saw um he asked i think it was one of. the. guys for their phone to text someone. back at the safe house. and as he's pulling it up there's a.

thread coming through from one of those. individuals. to the guy oh wow saying eddie is gonna. get us killed. and he's like what the heck is this and. so then it kind of started unraveled. near the end of deployment but again. it's so. typical at the end of deployments for. these guys to get. you know crazy and and they're sometimes. they're the best of friends and they. even have that so i knew like with this. and eddie's a authority figure these. guys are very young. they're not combat trained other than. this is their first real combat.

platoon i kind of was like this is this. is bound. to happen you know in this type of a. scenario so eddie came back. and we had an amazing reintegration. which is not typical a lot of times when. you reintegrate there's a lot of. drama and it's just really hard you know. on the family and the guys. so usually if they're gone six to seven. months i like allow six to seven months. to like get our footing. but he came back and it was just like i. feel like he was so relieved. to be back with us and um it just was.

like seamless reintegration we had an. amazing. um time reconnecting as a family and we. always just put our family first. but it was really towards when the other. guys started to come back we started. hear whispers they're like. these guys were in the bars in germany. like. [ __ ] talking you non-stop as their. leader and eddie's like dude what the. heck. is up with these dudes so it ended up i. think it was towards the end.

of 2017 because they would have come. back from that deployment in like. august and september were flights back. it went through. all of you know the end of the year. through the holidays people are kind of. you know supposed to be decompressing. really. which is what we did reconnected. and i think it was towards the beginning. of 2018. these rumblings and these little rumors. and little escalations. were just they weren't going away and we. were just like.

what is this because we had never. experienced anything like that in in the. community. um because the community what we knew of. it. it was a very tight-knit community and. we didn't really. know why it was happening but all this. to say 2018 it really started to ramp up. and the command. even um because this small group of guys. from the platoon. three to four of them were um basically. they selected a guy to kind of be the. ringleader of like.

go and take these accusations to the. command and so they would go and they'd. be like oh you know he was eating too. many protein bars and. um he was stealing stuff from care. packages he was putting us in danger. or uh just petty petty stuff. and the command several times um was. like okay tell us what he did. and and they would recount different. things or try to make more extreme. allegations well. um he did this or that and they're like. is there any like legitimate. loach violations with which is the law.

of armed conflict violation and. they every time they said no three. different times. but again the rumors just continued to. escalate and it was getting crazier like. the stories that you'd hear recounted. back. were just more extreme and more crazy. like. you know just something totally made up. about um one of the guys that had gotten. shot they're like oh we heard you didn't. call for the nine line you held it off. and eddie's like. dude i literally carried him on my back.

to the nine lane like what are you. talking so it was it was almost like. anything that was real was flipped. and lied about so we had been. experiencing that for the better part of. six months before eddie finally went to. the command and he said listen. whatever this is i need to address it i. mean as a leader he really felt that he. needed to address it so he had an. all-call with. everyone that was a part of the. deployment whether you were a tech or. anyone and he said. listen you don't have to like me i don't. have to like you but we need to get this. out on the table because really what is. happening is. all of this you know gossip and stuff.

that you guys are doing. behind the scenes is ruining what we did. on deployment and what we did on. deployment was we had an excellent. deployment no one died we all came back. so just tell me the grievances and that. turned into like a three to four hour. just like they try supposedly we're. going to get everything out on the table. eddie confronted everything asked about. where these rumors were coming from. whoever. started with say your grievance let me. know there was stuff as juvenile. as this one time we went out on town and.

you didn't pay me back for a haircut. and eddie's just like what. oh my god yeah and back in the day in. the seal teams if you were a new guy. you're playing credit card roulette. yeah and you'd get stuck with a thousand. you know couple thousand dollar bill. you know from from all the dinner and. drinks of the whole platoon and so like. that was where we were from so to hear. this type of stuff. we were like this is crazy it's so. absurd and like oh you stole someone's.

red bull okay whose was it well it was. the one guy that wasn't there. which eddie knew and he was a good dude. and they were friends and he's like. if that's really true i will confront. him about it but like. you guys are so worried about like a red. bull and oh i mistakenly. borrowed and i broke your magazine like. a gun magazine. and he's like did you ever tell me. i broke it and he's like well no so it. was just like. so petty and so that's kind of um was. really the culmination of we thought.

that was going to be squashed by the. beginning of 2018 and it didn't. work and you were living on base at that. time when you were hearing all these. things too. yeah so the situation isn't necessarily. like a base situation it was in military. housing. okay it's very much like open so we. lived uh the village at ntc. it's right in the heart of point loma. right by downtown san diego. and yeah we had resided there 11 years. um that's kind of where we spent the. majority of our marriage and raising our. kids. so um yeah we were.

there in a military housing you're mixed. in with every type of military branch so. it's not like you're with a bunch of. um team guys necessarily there was. sporadic team guys but. um did you feel like you were hearing. things like throughout the community. in such a way that you felt maybe people. were looking at you guys differently now. or after hearing things. like starting to rumble because there is. a lot of drama and all of that. you know so yeah were you feeling any of. that or was it just really stuck to.

the seal teams well so i feel like eddie. would be the one that would come home. and tell me different stuff. because i don't really keep company like. that that would sit there and perpetuate. that type of stuff. so all of my friends and all of my close. you know acquaintances. um remained the same and it wasn't. you know it was just a very under the. radar thing that was going on. that was directed to us but i have to. say like in the sale community it's very. common to be like. the guys have this phrase like a hate.

train so like they'll. start to fixate on someone or something. and it turns into this just escalated. hate train and. we were like dude we have never been. like we've never been want to try to. participate in that stuff and we've. never been the. catalyst of it so to have that was. very eye-opening it was like dude this. is crazy. and then the rumors and just escalation. of rumors and. i mean yeah it's hard to describe that.

the guys in the community. they really have a lot of you know this. type of stuff like the rumor mill is a. real thing. yeah um so yeah that was eye-opening for. me. but i'm like okay these stories are. being exchanged by people. over like their 20th beer at danny's of. course it's escalating from. you were putting people in danger to you. know you smashed a toaster over. someone's head and killed them and we're. like. how does that even get made up but but. it was it was so. outlandish that we didn't put any.

credence in it which. looking back was maybe a little bit of a. mistake. but at the same time it's like i don't. have. that part of me that i i'm not insecure. i don't buy into that stuff so to me i. was just like. we're living our lives as a family we're. good the things that were happening to. him. at work were definitely affecting him. but i just believe like it would work. itself out ultimately. but he was bearing a big brunt of it. because it was just this continual like.

almost like. shunning him closing him out more and. more and more. because it wasn't going away so then it. was turning into a bigger problem. and then every time they tried to. address it like it wouldn't go down it. would kind of escalate. and then it finally escalated to the. point where. i think one of the last times that went. to the head of seal team. seven he had asked um. actually let me back up so one of the. last times. before you know when he continued to.

escalate and try to see. if there was anything and the command. just kept on telling him you need to go. decompress. they're not going to take him because. their goal was to not start a war crimes. case their goal was. to ruin his reputation and they had. three main goals which were. they did not want him to pick up senior. chief they did not want him to be. awarded a silver star. because he was getting nominated for a. silver star for that deployment. and because he had done so well and he. was number one chief in number two. and his performance in mosul he had been.

selected for a very coveted spot at. trade at assaults. so trade at assaults is the training. command that basically trains every. single navy. seal on the west coast to go out into. theater. so these guys knew that he had been. awarded that spot. and that they would in essence be going. back under him for the remainder of. as long as his bill at last so for the. next foreseeable two to. you know three years this guy would be. you know my husband eddie would be the. top guy there.

and so i think at one of the last. interchanges you know the command was. just like you guys need to go home. and decompress and just let it go. like he's not losing the you know that. spot. he will pick up senior chief because. he's got every. thing going in the right direction and. you know he's gonna get nominated for. that silver star. and it was kind of a weird way but i. would. i i say this because i think the command. unwittingly. coached them and i don't think that they.

did it on purpose but they said unless. you have. a legitimate loach violation. you've gotta let it go oh and that's. when. this turned from cookie butter and. haircuts and red bulls. to we have tax threads of these. guys on a tax thread that they. themselves called the sewing circle. and it was dedicated on how to take. eddie gallagher. down and it was this embryonic group of.

guys. that were all roommates and they were. all together on multiple platoons. it was it was these guys that were the. two roommates and then. the the third so it was and then we. unbeknownst to us had a crazy-ass. neighbor that was a part of this. that he had nothing to do with anything. yet he was so. wanting to be a part of something i. guess like he's such a. spaz and he had lost his marbles over. the course of the platoon.

um because of some things that he did on. deployment. and he is the only one that actually. killed civilians on that deployment and. i think it. affected him in a way that it made him. an. easy target to get involved in this and. you can see on the text threads when he. gets in and he's like. they almost like invite him in like. welcome. and he's like happy to be a part of it. like can't wait. so they're talking about taking eddie. down no mention of war crimes on the.

whole thread. it's but it's all about what do we have. to do we got to get our stories straight. we got to meet we got to have an. airtight thing. and so that's we have all of this so in. the background we know. all of this is made up we know all of. this is based on rumors lies and. accusations so we just keep on thinking. it's going to work itself out and then. it really. never does yeah and i feel like those. are two drastic things because of war. crime. there's an ending point but if somebody. wants to take down and ruin your. reputation i feel like that's something.

that doesn't have an end date mm-hmm so. that's gotta be. extremely hard yeah and to move forward. and to think that it's going to work. itself out and yet. it doesn't right and it just escalates. from there yeah. so by um march that one of the very last. times. um that had gone back after kind of. being somewhat coached. um that they needed a legitimate loac. violation. it was the only way they were going to. be able to take him out. they came back with the story of uh he.

he stabbed a. isis with a knife and that's where it. began and so they're like. okay there it is if you are legitimately. going to report this and put your name. to it well they didn't want to put their. name to it. they didn't want their names involved. and so they're like. here's ncis number if this happened you. have a responsibility to report it well. then they sat on it. and they didn't you know they didn't. want to come out and be. accountable for what they were saying so.

then. they circumvented that part of the. command at some point. that individual which which is he's a. really good guy he actually testified on. eddie's behalf about all of this. at trial and what really happened um. these guys decided they were going to. circumvent the entire chain of command. and then they said we have a videotape. of him doing this and we're going to. turn it over to cnn. if you guys don't take them off of trade. up pull the silver star.

and basically ruin them. unreal yeah and they did it and the. command was like. put him on time out they pulled him off. a trade at they stopped his silver star. they um stopped his so he had already. picked up e8 so he had already picked up. senior chief which is another. misconception. people think that he was just a chief he. was awarded senior chief and he got. he got selected for it they held off. pinning him for it they said. listen if this goes to ncis after.

everything's cleared up we'll give you. everything back well of course that. never happened. so yeah he was actually supposed to be. um retiring as a senior chief. but um yeah that was the beginning of. the end and then ncis got involved. and then that's when we were like we've. got to. figure out what does this look like. because we've never been. a part of anything like this before and. what do we do we just sit here and wait. like we're sitting ducks and like no. one's helping us no one's advising us.

they're shunning him. you know at this point right it wasn't. going away he had done everything in his. power to address it so yeah we pretty. much just sat there like sitting ducks. for um another few months we knew that. ncas had picked it up as a case. and so only do we know now in hindsight. that. as of april these guys started being. called in for ncs interviews so we have. their first interviews and we have the. second interviews and just. the escalation and we have on the. footage.

um there's another really big moment. that happened so you know a catalyst is. like a unique thing that it's the thing. that it takes to trigger something you. know exponential. um so we got that in the lead ncis agent. he was just such a amateur kind of. nitwit but he was very very. driven um and driven by. a level of incompetence that basically. his drive overrode anything.

to look at this in a case as far as an. investigatory body would. and he did everything against. the book that you would do so he started. developing in a relationship with these. guys he started to get on text threads. with them he started to send them. articles like negative articles about. like oh. it's working and so these guys were. being coached by the ncis. agent and then we have video footage of. their initial interviews where. he has them off camera coaching them and.

telling them he's like. don't worry about anything your name. won't go on any of this so he's telling. them. everything they want to hear because. these guys are kind of nitwits too and. they didn't want to be known. so he's like this is going into a source. file. your name will never come out anything. that you did. we're not worried about that we're after. eddie gallagher. so this was like april they started this. investigation with. within the first couple interviews you. hear him say to these guys.

this is an open and shut case all we. care about. is eddie gallagher we know and so he was. leading them through the whole thing. which then they compiled enough. information that then by june they were. staging a raid on our home. and they raided our home thereafter in. june 2018. so you guys knowing that ncis this was. in you know. their hands were you just uneasy were. you thinking like was this gonna work. itself out with ncis or were you. thinking like any day they might show up.

at our door. like how are you feeling at that moment. like yeah. the raid was something we did not know. was possible okay we did not know we had. no clue. that the raid was even on the table we. had really assumed again. almost naively saying that now according. to you know hindsight i'm like oh my. gosh i cannot believe. that we had so much trust in the system. that we were like okay. if you have this escalation of. allegations and everything is built on. rumors lies and hearsay.

you're thinking in a judicial sense or. in an investigatory sense. like you cannot possibly make a case out. of this. so we naively just did not. you know we it was frustrating and it. was annoying but we were like. it'll work itself out i mean i'm. perpetually positive i think eddie might. have been a little bit more like. this is crazy like this is not going. away and obviously it's specifically. targeted at. him it's going after his reputation it's. going after his career i mean so i think.

he had a lot more anxiety. about it i ultimately felt like it would. work itself out and that we would be. you know vindicated whatever you want to. call it through the investigation. but that's definitely not what happened. yeah and they ended up raiding her home. june 20th of 2018. um were you home at that time no i was. not home. they had been casing her home for a. couple weeks and so they'd been watching. our movements and. we didn't know it at the time but they. were working in tandem with our crazy. neighbors who was invited to be a part.

of this little sewing circle to take. down eddie. so which was by far the craziest out of. all of them and. he wasn't even a part of anything that. they were necessarily looking to make up. but he just wanted to be a part of. anything involved in taking eddie down. that he was willing to and he said i'm. willing to do or say anything i'll say. whatever i need to say to the command. be on that train and so basically. started working directly with. when found out that he lived down the. street from us so he had moved. his wife he didn't live near us at the.

beginning of the deployment so this is. also the other irony of him. is that he literally moved his wife and. kid. right next to us so according to him. like my husband's crazy. and all this but yeah my daughter's. babysitting for them. i know this girl casually they're living. right next to us. and so after he got back from this. deployment and they're just continuing. to spiral behind the scenes to like. evolve this plot against my husband you. know we're out in the neighborhood. like we're walking the dogs we're on.

eddie's harley just like waving and. we're like dude they're so weird anymore. like they're just such weird people like. we can't even like wave to them without. them being bizarre. because we had no idea that was. basically. like the matt damon movie the informant. like that's if you've never seen that. movie go watch it. he is the informant so he's exposing. all of this stuff that's not true but. like he's the real bad guy but he's so. crazy. he doesn't even know oh my gosh he. starts to tell them like all this stuff. like oh they're getting ready to move.

like my wife saw them. turning in paperwork to move so you guys. got to move quick. you got to raid their home and telling. them like where we're going and what. we're doing and like oh yeah eddie's. working out like he always works out in. the evening and then like they go to hot. yoga together they walk to church. together on sundays like. the guy is a full-on informant oh my. goodness and this is a member of the. sale community this is a guy that's. a navy seal and so it ended up. that unbeknownst to us the two weeks of. casing our house they started to watch.

our movements. um through ncis um we had family in town. prior we had my parents we had. my husband's parents our son was. graduating. high school he had just turned 18 like a. week or two prior. so on june 18th they set up um. a siege on our house that they sent like. seven. armored seven to eight armored vehicles. with 25. plus agents and full militia riot gear. m4s i mean they look like they're kidded.

up to go to war. and they had already had eddie in. custody because they took him from work. that morning. and they threw him in a room they didn't. read him his rights they didn't offer. him. a call to his lawyer they locked him in. a room and they didn't tell them what. they were doing but they were raiding. our home. and they had seen me leave that morning. so they knew. that their access point was the newly. minted 18 year old that was in the house. with another eight-year-old two children. and they did this oh my god yeah and i. left for a meeting that day.

um i was meeting up with a girlfriend. and then i had a meeting um. and yeah i was at i was at that. initial first meeting with my girlfriend. when i got the call from ava and ava at. that time was in ohio for the summer and. she just told me she's like mom she's. like the neighbor girl just called me. she's like trevin and ryan are outside. in their underwear and there's police. everywhere. and i'm like what are you talking about. so like my friend sees the terror on my. face. and she's a team wife and so she's like.

just go. and so i just i just took off i ran out. i. got in my car i tried to call my. neighbor called multiple times it just. went straight to voicemail and then when. i finally got her she's on the phone. screaming. saying like they're everywhere they have. your dogs they have your kids i'm like. who has my dogs who is doing this oh my. god. and then they're yelling at her to hang. up the phone they're telling her. you know um hang it up hang it up go. back inside and she's like this is their. mom this is their mom on the phone. and then um at that point an agent a.

female agent gets on the phone. and identifies herself and like within. cis i'm gonna call you back. on a secure line and then so she calls. me from a block number. i pick up i'm like what is going on. and yeah they were like we are at your. home we have your children. we have your animals they're fine. and when you come through we have the. streets barricaded tell us what type of. car you're driving and i'm like. barricaded yeah yeah knowing.

eddie wasn't there knowing you're not. there we look like we're members of the. cartel. it was the most bizarre scene i mean why. do you need. 25 people in militia riot gear why do. you need seven black vehicles. it was all for show it was all to. terrorize us and that's what we found. out this whole thing was a very much. like homegrown terror. that these agencies are in essence. allowed to inflict on military service. members because there's no oversight. of every investigatory body of the.

government ncis. is the worst and these are people that. like they couldn't make it to the fbi. they couldn't make it to the cia they. were the. worst of the worst or the worst that. then they're going in. with less training than probably basic. beat cops and they are doing a. total overtake of a home and. they're going in there with with loaded. rifles machine guns. on kids and so.

what we put together after the fact like. it was very we were all in parallel. universes like going through our own. experience so eddie was there going. through what he was going through not. knowing anything was going on. i that was my experience but when i got. back to the home. and was let through um they immediately. pulled me into the van and started to. interrogate me which is also illegal. and um the boys had at that point gotten. clothes on and i had them go walk the. dogs and i'm like. what is going on and why are you guys. here and why are you all in my house.

like what is the point of all of this. what are you even looking for. and so they kind of asked me if i knew. any rumors or i knew anything that had. hearsay anything that had happened and. i'm like. i know rumors and i know hearsay and i. know gossip but i'm not gonna sit here. and recount that because. it's not enough for you to be in my home. so what why are you here. and then they kind of like said well if. we tell you too much. like we you know we could incriminate. you and i'm like okay well then what do. what do. what are we doing here really and then.

the lady. mentioned something about a knife and i. see. a warrant that has our friend's knife. company on it and i'm like. why is our friend's name on this and. then it just like started kind of. unravel she's like have you heard. anything. about like your husband killing isis i'm. like. my husband's a navy seal like he went. over there to kill isis i don't know. what you're talking about. and it was just very cloak and dagger. and then one of the guys came out they. asked me for my phone. i was like here you go there's nothing.

on it. nothing incriminating on it and you know. other than we knew that there was like. mounting whisper campaign that was going. on but we had no clue the level it had. now gotten to since these guys had gone. and did their ncas interviews. so yeah it was pretty surreal and then. my kids. their experience my daughter experienced. it through the neighbor girl that told. her. so like that was terrifying for her to. know that the boys were home alone and. this was going on and so she was in the. dark. um you know and she's young at the time.

um she's like 11 or 12. and then my the way that it happened for. the boys was like ryan was kind of. inside. watching the television my older son was. 18 upstairs asleep in his bed and so. ryan's sitting there watching television. we have a. porch landing window right here and he. can see through the curtains that. there's people with guns coming on. his porch what do you think an. eight-year-old. knowing that these like almost like. that's what he thinks. his dad does is like he goes to fight.

people or he goes to get the bad guys. and then ryan's seeing these people. stream on his porch. which look like you know some type of. military um. riot gear and guns so he runs upstairs. you know he's just in his little jammy. underwear stuff and same as my son. and he starts to tell my son like. there's people with guns at her door. and my son's barely awake and he's like. dude if this is like your friends. outside with nerf guns like i'm gonna. hurt you. and then ryan just starts crying and so.

trevin. obviously gets up walks down the stairs. and then trevin can also see. the people out front and so he goes and. opens up the door and so the first door. that opens is like the actual door but. then there's a screen door. and so they all start screaming at both. of the boys. to put their hands up they're holding. the rifles at them they're saying you. know put your hands up put your hands up. and they're simultaneously screaming for. them to open the door. he's like do you want me to put my hands. up or do you want me to open the door.

and so this is how like you know. these people are the like most. unqualified. bush league people to go in and be doing. a house clearance with loaded weapons. on children um. and so that basically was the start of. the seven hour raid they dragged both of. our kids out into the street into their. underwear. and our animals and then they they. gained access that way through my son. who had just turned 18.

unreal that is uh that's just like. the worst nightmare ever yeah i just. can't imagine. yeah it's crazy oh my god and then when. eddie. when did eddie find out about this. because he was being held right yeah. so i think that's when we really first. started to realize. that we were systematically being. terrorized. by the community in ncis. and was soon to be the prosecution was.

um. basically at the very end of the seven. hours one of the agents who had been at. the home. had walked in and was like okay you're. free to go and eddie's like. okay like what what was this all about. and he's like oh i saw your wife and. kids today and eddie's like. what and the guy just snidely is like. yeah i was at your house. with your wife oh my god we were in. basically that's how he found out they.

were raiding our home. so like if you can even grasp someone. that they have trained for the last two. decades to go. and fight the worst of the worst evils. overseas to prevent things from. happening to me. and my children on american soil they. then. lock him away in on his own soil. do this just completely almost like a. terror raid. on our home where he's helpless to. defend us and protect us.

i i don't know how you guys have gone. through all of this. and and plus some i mean that i know was. just the beginning of it. that was only the beginning yeah that. was only the beginning and that. pales almost in comparison to everything. else. that we went through it was just an. escalation of like. yeah when i talk about it i call it. homegrown terror yeah. it's it's very frightening and i think. that's like when bush was like you know. we're. we're fighting um from 9 11 on enemies. foreign and domestic and.

we have been exposed to both but i can. say it's more terrifying to know that. like your own government. can target you and go after you if they. want. yeah unbelievable yeah. god i'm so sorry that that's all. happened to you yeah. it's awful at that point. who do you first of all. what do you say to your kids i mean. because now you know like. shit's gotten real like something's.

happening here that. it's no longer just whispers or rumors. or what if scenarios are over. they're to take care of it it'll work. itself out now. [ __ ] just got real so what do you. explain like what does that family. meeting look like. wow um well. like to protect your kids too at that. point i know they're going to hear. things at school and. i i just and yeah i mean i'm sure media. is getting involved at this point or no.

no i don't think the media had gotten. involved at that point. um so so by june of. 2018 um you know. we were prepping to leave san diego we. were prepping to retire we had bought. our retirement home we were getting. ready to relocate. so they actually raided our home the. week prior so. we went directly from a home raid to. um packing up all of our belongings that. we had.

you know had the last 11 years and his. service in san diego and. we were going to move to our retirement. home. our oldest son was prepping to leave for. college we were moving our two youngest. there. in order to start my daughter's freshman. year of high school so eddie was kind of. going to geo batch it. and just live in san diego for the last. remaining year. you know go back and forth he was also. screening um he was screening for ground. branch and doing a lot of things to. prepare to get out of the military. basically um because at that point it.

was it wasn't point of no return i was. like i. am not doing this anymore with these. people. if this is the quality of people that. are involved in this community. at this point like we're you know we're. relics at that point like we're nearly. 40. and we're dealing with these you know. mid 20. you know year olds and i'm like this is. not the community that we came from. like they've either pushed out you know. this warrior class of people that was. fighting all the war since 9 11 they've. got this whole new. mindset of people that are involved or.

most of our friends didn't make it they. passed away. so it's like you know you kind of go. through all of that so leading up to the. home raid. we had made the conscious decision that. we were on our way out that he was going. to do us 20 we were calling it. and i never told him that he couldn't do. you know anything or i wanted him to be. happy i wanted him to be fulfilled right. and so that meant you know letting him. continue to deploy and letting him. continually go back. and he loved it he loved every part of.

his job but i remember specifically i. just had this moment. we had actually been in coronado we had. met up with. the parents of our friend brad cavner. who passed away in a training accident. so we called them mama gavner and steve. and then also our other friend who had. passed away in extortion 17 his parents. and we were all at danny's and danny. really has danny's has a lot of. memorialized. members of the community that have lost. their lives um and.

i think you know it was the first time. they'd ever gone to see. aaron's picture and and brad so we kind. of took this whole you know we call them. our. family there are friends that have. become family and so we. took this family picture and i remember. leaving it was just such a surreal. moment. because i remember when i first met. eddie. um i was in danny's and i sat down. and brad cavner is like sitting there. eddie had gone to the bathroom and he's. like. i think he knew like i didn't know. enough about what i was getting into and.

he's like. hey like don't worry if something. happens he's like. i'll give my life like he's gonna come. back to you. oh god and that was the community. that we came from and now. a decade later i'm sitting there knowing. that like my husband is being targeted. by these. you know people no character. no morals like they're just all bent on. somehow you know a vendetta against him.

and after we left that bar that night we. went and had one more drink at. mcpease and i just remember like i. couldn't control it like. and i'm super like and like spiritual i. feel like i see things sometimes and i. just remember having this like internal. panic which i'm not a panicky person i. don't even. have really anxiety like that but i was. just like. i was in full-on tears i'm like. they've either killed off our friends or. they're pushing.

guys like you out like they don't want. you anymore. they don't want these people that have. been fighting these wars they want this. new kind of involved in the new breed. in the fields guys like they want boy. scouts. and i'm like i'm done like i cannot send. you over there again. knowing i'm like i feel like. these guys would push you in front of a. grenade. to write a book about it to have a. stepping stone because a lot of these. guys are stepping stone steel.

seals they're not the new they use it as. a resume pad to. go on to bigger and better things and. like the guys that eddie knew like they. were lifers. eddie would have stayed in for 30 years. would this not have happened. so yeah it was it was a really. interesting moment. the evolution from my entry into the. community and the level and the caliber. of guys that he was blessed to serve. with and. like we call those guys our brothers. their wives are my sisters to this day. um a lot of us had kids at the same time.

so like you know aaron held his baby. girl once. oh god and then kimberly's oldest son is. like the same age as ryan because we. were all in bible study together and we. all got pregnant. so it's like you know we have a very. sweet amazing. friend group but we've we've lost quite. a few. in the midst of everything so. eddie was roommates with brad and aaron.

so there's a picture. that he still has as his profile picture. it's brad and aaron are gone and eddie. got sent to jail it was just so surreal. we're like. what is happening to this country not. even 20 years after 9 11. you know. and they just wanted to throw them away. god i'm so sorry i'm really tired. yeah i probably needed tissues crazy.

once you start talking about it because. it gets. i know. yeah i love that verse um romans 8 28. for god works for the good of all those. who are called according to his purpose. um yeah i had a pastor that used to say. all means all you know it's everything. he can work everything for good and. that's that's definitely what he's done. for sure am i like totally. all over the place with my makeup now no. from. here you look good good okay.

god andrea i am so sorry it's crazy. that that's actually out of everything. that gets me the most. like the um the. that's why i get so emotional yeah. because like the brotherhood thing. it's like you know. these guys fun died and then these guys. are setting him up they couldn't be. more a thousand miles apart.

on what brotherhood means and looks like. and i mean it's just. it's just such a degradation to the. community and we still love the. community we still have family. you know our eddie's brothers and the. community and. and we're just we're worried you know. about that like we want to see you know. and i. there's so many good people still in the. community. but you worry about you know the. degradation of that and that's why.

um when we created um. the t-shirts with our friends andy and. kelsey um. half face blades produced that first. free eddie shirt with eddie and the. picture of him. um that's an awesome picture it's a. whole story behind that but. he had fallen in a well on a deployment. and um. that was after he got out of the well. and after he. he went back in a second time for his. rifle that he dropped. and so that's the picture after he had.

done all of that. i mean like he's he is just such an. amazing human being so like i wanted. that picture to be like the symbol. of everything that he'd done and like. the hashtag free eddie we came up with. but. um on the back of the shirts it says. long live the real brotherhood. yes and that's that's how i signed. my first like coming out email to all of. our friends in the community saying what. the command was doing to us saying what. ncis had done to us saying that.

eddie had been taken from the tbi clinic. and i signed it long live the real. brotherhood. and i firmly believe that and that's why. i get so emotional about it i'm like. it's. there is a chasm in our nation. uh you know i think of the quality of. individuals that there's just people. it's like the 80 20 rule like. you know that don't do anything and then. you've got this like very core upper. echelon group of people that are giving. everything and their families are giving. everything and. the pressure that they put on the seal. community during. everything after 9 11. i mean i think.

we'll write books and do movies about. this generation of a 20-year war. and what does that do you know when. you're taking the brunt of it. and i think it's all kind of like. entrenched in our story somewhere like. maybe. down the line we'll get into it but we. do feel. very passionate about supporting the. community. this is not what the community is about. our story is not emblematic of the sale. community it's actually a very. big black eye on them and uh i mean the. men that we knew. in the community and and the women that.

are a part of it i mean they're they're. the most in. amazing individuals on the planet so. it's just it's so much your story has so. much. like so yeah so many layers to it. yeah there is a lot of layers yeah our. story like eddie and i's story and we go. into it like in the book like. it's just such like it's a it's a love. story even even what we went through. with the trial. and with we call it i call it more. persecution verse prosecution it's like.

it truly is like a story of like love. and. devotion and like you know i really did. learn that from the sale community like. in the sale community like they're. brothers. they have swim buddies you know they. support each other for life and i feel. like. you know i tell i jokingly tell eddie. sometimes like i was the last man. standing. for you because everybody either took a. seat on the sidelines because they kind. of had to because the command was really. putting a lot of pressure on people.

not to support or get involved which we. understood. um and then just a lot of people that. developed. snap judgments and thought well you guys. had to do something wrong. because i think that's more comfortable. for people to assume the worst because. if you really think of it from the from. the perspective that what we were saying. from the beginning was that if this can. happen to us. it can happen to you and that's a scary. thing. and so people i think as a. self-protective nature.

just have this way of being like. blocking it off yeah. i'm not gonna and i think that's why a. lot of people. they didn't want to know the truth of. how bad it was or how deep it got or how. corrupt it was. and all the things that happened because. it's kind of scary to think it's. possible. it is yeah everyone is safer to think. it's not in my backyard. yeah yeah how did who did you know. who to trust at that point when you're. saying like people are turning or you. know they're. kind of just sitting there not doing. anything not speaking up.

how did you for you like how did you. because you started this. free eddie campaign and you have your. husband's back obviously and it's just. like. how do you who who do you turn to. how do you how do you know like who to. call. what do you mean at that point because. you did such an incredible job at. getting it out and and really being like. the face for it and being there for for. your husband and and. you know i know you had told me here.

like yesterday. that he wasn't so much seeing all of. this. you had to relay the messages to him and. say you know oh yeah we're getting it. out there like the word is spreading and. how how did you know who to call who to. trust. um well again like i really. relied on my faith to just like guide me. and support me and get me through. everything i mean i. have such a close like relationship with. god and so i'm like. i very much feel like that was like my.

guiding light through everything. um you know in the end there's honestly. not much people even that. did want to help could do you're just so. in. the weeds with something like this that. you. even if you had someone that was like oh. i want to do something to help it was. like. i didn't even have the bandwidth to. you know i couldn't even think of. anything because like what can you do. this is unknown territory like we're. being targeted by. uh you know the command and these people.

and the government and. um we are you know we're in it and so. after he was taken on 911. um again it was just navigating. day to day today because we did not know. we did not know that was possible. we didn't know the home read was. possible we didn't know pre-trial. confinement was a thing. i mean there's third world countries. that you can't do that in but. in the military the ucmj you can. lock someone up before their trial and.

you can incarcerate them. and the irony of that was i mean. there's so many ironies really but it. was just really we had to. every day wake up and navigate an. unknown territory with no road map. and so he went to the brig we totally. thought he was going to get out. he was supposed to have an uh hearing um. basically about the validity of why. would he have to be.

locked up because you have to have some. level of validity of like. uh why is this guy being locked up and. especially on this level was like the. highest level pre-trial confinement. um and so that was supposed to be within. about 72. hours that we he was going to go to this. hearing and i didn't even fly out for it. because i was like this is just like. preliminary. mumbo jumbo like i think they're just. scare tactics us like i don't think. anything's gonna happen like he'll get. out and i can remember. um like getting a call um from someone.

after. the hearing and they're like yeah no. he's not getting out. and i was like well what do you mean. right what do you mean he's not getting. out like what what grounds do they have. to hold him in the brig. and so if you look into like iro. hearings like what they're trying to. prove is like are you a flight risk. or are you a risk to yourself or to. someone else. and they clearly knew he wasn't a flight. risk because we had relocated he was. going back and forth. he was screening for ground branch he.

was doing interviews in dc. he had even done lie detector tests like. he was that far through the process. so it was like okay that's not. you know a valid thing like and yes san. diego's right by mexico but he has a. family like you think he's gonna go turn. into some renegade. like in mexico like so that didn't make. sense. but they really used his training all. against him. so they said oh well you know how to do. stuff. because you're a navy seal so you could.

go to mexico. and evade us and even though there's no. legitimacy to that. but this is how crazy it got and it gets. crazier. so it's like every level it's the new. level of crazy so at the iro. eddie calls me back later that night. he's like babe. they said the most horrendous stuff. um about me during this hearing he's. like. there they have said things from i um. i abused drugs um we were drug muelling.

in mexico. um all this stuff so like we went to our. friend's wedding. in mexico and they're like we're drug. mulling. they they said that oh my god. so we are like getting together pictures. of us like. him in a wedding of his friend like one. of his best friend's weddings in mexico. like. we weren't going across like this is how. crazy it got. unbelievable so he was like realizing. he's like they can say.

anything they want right they can say. whatever it doesn't have to be true. doesn't have to have any validity so he. sat there for like four or five hours. during this hearing and they said. all the stuff about him he's a monster. he abuses drugs. you know he's a drug mule um he's. horrible. he's abusive he um like. everything you could think of and the. charges they were bringing against him. were like um we have information on. charges that like. he's shooting civilians over there he's.

doing this and this is all made up. and we're like how can this happen so. then he doesn't end up getting out of. the iro. that was when it got real like i was. like. this is a concentrated coordinated. effort to get him. on something it doesn't matter if it's. real anymore like i've let reality go. out the window like. any common sense throw it out the window. when dealing with the military any like. level of like oh well this is how it.

should go. it didn't matter it was only rumors lies. and hearsay it was like it was moving. forward. in like full steam ahead and so yeah. they locked him away. they um pretty much appointed him a jag. that was located in lamar like three. four hours away from san diego that had. to go on t.a.d. to come and consult with him his client. so he didn't see him for weeks when he. was in jail. and so we had hired an outside outside.

lawyers. and gotten involved with the nonprofit. at that time which come to find out. that's a whole other layer of corruption. oh god this was a corrupt set of lawyers. corrupt non-profit that was just. yeah so so we fought on every single. front you could think about behind the. scenes. and then got involved with this corrupt. nonprofit that would have made more. money. off of him going to jail because they. have these cash cows where they get. behind cases where this guy's in jail. and they just like a steady stream of.

promotion we're in a lawsuit with them. right now. were you able to see eddie barely so i. was relocated in florida. so if i would go i'd have to get care. for the children. care for the dogs go fly in stay for a. limited. amount of time go see him in the brig go. behind you know. closed doors during visiting hours. couldn't touch him couldn't hug. him couldn't do anything because he's in. jail. he's a prisoner but in the military. terms when you're in pre-trial. confinement you're not a prisoner well.

you're sleeping in a jail with rapists. and pedophiles and sex offenders you. sure seem like a prisoner even though he. hasn't even gone to trial yet. so not to mention all all of the good. that he's done everything he's been. awarded for as an american fighter. [Music]. none of that is brought to light at this. point it was all used against us. actually. and then really what they got him on the. reasoning behind holding him in. pre-trial confinement. was they were so they couldn't prove he.

was a risk to himself. so what they did was they worked in. tandem with our neighbor. and they knew that they had to have. something to basically. warrant holding him in jail so they had. to write a note. saying that he was afraid for his life. because my husband would walk our french. bulldogs. like by his house and that was eddie's. way of intimidating him. oh my gosh so he wrote all of this. um they gave that over and this was like.

yeah he's a. he is not only a flight risk to go to. mexico because you know he's a drug. mule in mexico um but he also is. intimidating. these guys he's intimidating by walking. our frenchies by his house. so yeah and that gave him the right to. hold yeah because he's a risk to others. so that was also part of a diabolical. plan the only on the stand did we get. them to admit. that they had already had eddie locked. up when they had do that note. so it was just totally in cahoots with.

this. completely unstable individual that they. used as an informant. and turned him to then work the system. to get eddie locked away. appoint him a lawyer four hours away so. he doesn't have the ability to defend. himself. and then we had filed congressional. inquiries on the brigade miramar we. filed human rights violations. um there was an individual at that brig. that they basically ended up releasing. because i would not stop fighting. against what she was doing to him her. name was and she would. throw away his lawyer chits and wouldn't.

let him call. and i mean he was basically wasting away. in there and he turned. into a skeleton in that brig and. it was just unbelievable and you don't. think it's possible and you don't want. to think it's possible. but they were they use those briggs in. tandem because they're under the ucmj so. it's affiliated with like. you know the commands and the. prosecution and the brig and they use. them as plea factories. so it's just like you see in a few good. men tom cruise like he doesn't even go. to trial. they get these guys to break and plead.

on stuff they didn't do and there are of. course guilty people. but then there is people that just they. don't have the wherewithal. they can't fight they don't have the. money they're appointed some you know. ragtag. jag lawyer that's not gonna fight for. them their goal is just to get them to. plead. and they do they plead the craziest. stuff. and then if you look at the rates of. conviction. there's not that many guilty people in. the world the conviction rates are based. off of the corruption that's involved in.

the ucmj. so everyone basically pleads guilty. because they crush you. they crush you they crush your family. they crush your children. um you know and you lose everything your. livelihood your money if you do try to. fight you can't fight the government. you lose faith yeah and if you don't. have someone on the outside like if. eddie would not have had me. and if i wouldn't have had sean his. brother um who sean was the one that. helped with moving the ball. on all of the political he worked on. capitol hill he had inroads to help.

and really expedite the process of. activating our congressional. and constitutional rights i mean people. don't even know their rights i mean we. we see it right now in 2020 like. people are just turning over their. rights on a daily basis. and i'll tell you what we have to stop. because. if what can happen to us comes to you. you will. pray to god that you are able to afford. to exercise the constitutional rights. that were. afforded by god in this country but if.

you don't have the money. to fight and so we had to go we fully. raised. funds to to defend eddie and when we. dropped that um. non-profit and those corrupt lawyers. when we did that. we had to start over and it was a whole. new team. with a whole new team and. we knew they weren't even trying to win. this case they weren't even trying to. look into the case. they were a part of a corrupt system.

these are two. lawyers that were former trained jags. that got. out of the military and then set up. their own. independent law firms as like ambulance. chasers outside a military bases. so they just prey on military people. so we're in a lawsuit with them because. they came after us. after eddie was found innocent and tried. to sue us for a million dollars. so are they still functioning right now. are they still no idea if they are.

we've tried to expose them we've tried. to let people know. and you know there's stuff out there. people can look it up you know we've. we've been very open. even before the lawsuit about how. corrupt and it's just a big ponzi scheme. that they're running on these people. that we got out of because we were. identifying like. they're not working on the case they're. asking the same questions since. you know like months and months ago and. so. when we um by the grace of god. leading into the trial so he would have.

been locked up. um september 11 2018 he stayed. through all the way up basically um. he was incarcerated in some shape or. form leading into march. of 2019 and at that time our trial was. scheduled for april. and so by the grace of god we got. connected with which is another six. degrees of separation. was the police commissioner on 911 in. new york city. and i mean i remember seeing pictures of.

him and he had like this huge mustache. and he worked side by side with rudy. giuliani. during that whole crisis and president. bush and. um someone was like i really think that. you should connect with this guy. like he's just so good and he's had. different trouble that. has come upon him and so he was locked. up. and incarcerated um for a period of time. and so he's kind of made it his life. mission to help and support people so. he's got like got a book like from. jailor because he was like the head of.

like the jail system and then he got the. police commissioner job and it's like. then he ended up going to jail um for. something innocuous because he was. supposed to be a part. of i think you know the presidential um. cabinet and when he got nominated for. that they went. on him full tilt and they locked him. away for like i think something. totally innocuous um but he went to jail. and so he had this. really strategic mindset and so he. started calling. um i got in touch with him i talked to. him he would go back and forth he'd talk.

to me he talked to sean eddie's brother. and he just kind of became this like. honorary godfather figure who was. guiding us through this process. and helping and supporting and he asked. me to talk to his lawyer at the time. and i was just uncovering kind of like. some of the more seedy stuff. about that nonprofit and the lawyers at. the time. and they had started to try to basically. extort us they'd try to extort our. family. get us to turn over the money that we.

had generated on his campaign. because we were also working with navy. sales fund which was amazing nonprofit. and they set up this portal so that we. could raise money and so. you know that we could fight the full. power of the united states government. and then at that time the media the. media was getting involved and. terrorizing us so we were. fighting everybody um so navy sales fund. had started this portal which was the. justice for eddie page. which we would direct people to to. donate and. um to help and support our case and that.

that was just being held by navy seals. fund we never. got that money um but that was. to help and defend eddie and god forbid. if something happened. to help the kids and i and. i don't think that the other non-profit. at first they knew that they were. setting it up and they were well aware. of it they helped us with the verbiage. and with the language but then when they. saw the money being raised. and this nonprofit is not really that. together. they started to come after us saying um.

you know someone could say like you're. raising that money. and like you're doing wrong thing and. i'm like what. so they started to try to like. systematically like extort us. yeah as a family and they targeted my. brother-in-law sean. um and then they and then when i found. that out i went after them. and basically called them out onto the. carpet and i had a call with and i was. like. are you doing what i think you're doing. like you're trying to intimidate us. you're trying to like break you down. yeah.

and i basically called him out and at. the time which is the lawyer who's. supposed to be. helping to defend my husband is actively. sitting on the board of directors and. leading this nonprofit. and so i'm uncovering all of this and. i'm like you. are so compromised in so many ways like. what you're doing. is not right you're sitting on the board. of a non-profit that's basically making. money off of people going to. jail and you're the one that's bringing. them in and i'm i'm. going after him hard and then finally i.

think he realized he couldn't intimidate. me so then he started thereafter to try. to like. hey just checking in and i'm like you. creep total creep and so we just created. this like. we got rid of the bad news bears and. created the a team and like by the grace. of god. yeah the trial got pushed after that. because they did the spygate thing. so ncis and the lead prosecutor ended up. spying on our team. uh yeah that's a whole another oh my. goodness yeah.

everything has been thrown at you guys. yeah everything. yep and i admire you so much. because you've kept your cool you've. i mean keeping your family together. keeping eddie to get like everything you. know. you've really you've really done it all. and and and gracefully and and really by. like. creating like the whole campaign that. you did and and getting this. dream team together yeah and and getting.

him home. i mean that's incredible yeah mission. accomplished. yeah i sleep safely at night next to him. so the picture i think on your instagram. when i was on instagram i remember like. stalking your instagram. and one of the things you said it was. the picture that's on. the cover of your book and i think you. said that that was your favorite picture. what makes that picture so significant. like. what are you thinking in that photo.

because we'll link the photo. here yeah in the podcast but well. it's so funny like it's hilarious as. many like podcasts and stuff that we do. people always ask me about like. my dresses and my stuff and like the. fashion and they're like. did you have like specific stuff and i. was like i i just i like wake up like. this like if i. if i'm in the mood like you know we went. out the other day it was like a little. like emo. like i had a tiger shirt on like it's. just like it's. a vibe that i get and i love and so i.

had things picked out in specific. things that i brought to trial but. you know some of it i wouldn't know when. i would wear and i ended up wearing a. lot of like beautiful like muted florals. or just like crisp white. or things like that um and i love white. i just it's just. purity color of purity and i felt like. we were we were on such a like. battleground but i was like again i like. i fight everything straight from the. heart and i'm like we will be vindicated. i'm like. when this goes to trial we will expose. all of this is bs and like we were the.

only ones that knew. because everyone else had all of this. you'd either watch. fox and get one thing or you'd watch. this and get another or you'd read an. article like the new york times and. you would get the most skewed you know. clickbait and so i feel like you know. waking up that day i'd pretty much run. through everything because it was like. the day. of the final day so i i was left with. this. beautiful black like silk blazer and.

like a white. jumpsuit and i don't know it just felt. strong. it felt strong but it also had this mix. of like. i'm a badass but there's like the purity. component and like. this is one of my favorite necklaces i. think i wore this. with it um but. that picture is so funny because. all through the trial i was just. watching all of it just unravel i'm like. this is a mix between a few good men and. my cousin vinnie like. you cannot make this stuff up i'm like i.

mean. everyone they fell apart on the stands. they couldn't keep up with their lies. and i knew. that was gonna happen and i just felt so. vindicated. like progressively vindicated i was like. i knew this was gonna happen. i knew we would expose this and our team. was amazing so just such. huge credit to them um and everything. that we faced even with the spy gate and. the trial getting pushed and. everything and eddie being incarcerated. it just felt like such a combination it. was so surreal and like. we rented a house like at the end of.

point loma like right down the street. from where our. military housing was raided and we just. woke up every day like our whole family. stayed together. so we had like all of the kids with us. we had. sean and my mother and father-in-law. with us and we wake up. and we'd overlook point loma and it was. just so symbolic. of like how far we'd come and how much. they tried to squash us and. kill us and keep us silent and they. didn't and it didn't work. and so i think like leaving that day we. would always get ready.

and get ready with the boys my boys my. shawn. and then eddie um and so they're four. years apart shawn's the baby brother and. then eddie's the oldest and then like we. just have such a strong. we obviously got severely bonded. together during that experience too. so like a lot of the media would be. staged before we'd go in and they'd snap. pictures of us and so we'd all go we'd. get our coffees. um from better buzz in the morning and. then we you know we'd go into the court. and we'd drive in like okay here we go. like run the gauntlet of all the media. and all the cameras and they try to get.

us to say something or whatever. and so usually you see pictures it's. either me and eddie or me and eddie and. sean which looks like almost like a ci. like cia agent behind us. that's shawn that's that's my. brother-in-law who was also sean was. like the key component. of eddie being free like if eddie had. sean and not me. or me and not sean it wouldn't i don't i. firmly believe it wouldn't have worked. so it was just like such a beautiful. moment of support. of his brother and myself and um.

you know same as always like walking in. you do the gauntlet we had the day in. court. it was probably the most nerve-wracking. day for sure because it was the day of. the. um they were announcing the verdict. um and we would have had you know the. final statements from our team and so. uh you know i remember being called back. in eddie and i and sean like during the. day. just because it was such a long day we. had left we went to the. you know px or whatever it is over there.

and like we're shopping a little bit. just to like distract us and get out and. like people were stopping eddie and like. taking pictures. like it's it was surreal um and then we. ended up going back. um we go into the court they bring all. the jury in and just like as they're. going through all of the charges and. reading them they're not reading them as. the charge they're reading them as a. number. prefix and we were like okay not guilty. not guilty not guilty not guilty. guilty not guilty not guilty and i'm. like. what we didn't know what the guilty is.

so like i'm looking at our team. and i'm sitting like right behind eddie. and i'm looking at. katherine and i see katherine just like. start. crying i'm like oh my gosh i don't know. what i'm. what i'm crying about but i'm like. waited and waited. and then tim just looks at eddie and. he's like it's the picture. it's the pictures the only thing you're. guilty. which we had never said that he wasn't. guilty of that we told the military like. he will plead guilty to taking a picture.

just like everyone else in the platoon. did. but if you want him to die on this cross. like yes. we never denied he took a picture with. isis terrorist. and so it was just crazy i think i just. burst out in tears everyone in. the courtroom and the audience who'd. been there our friends and. you know brad's parents um. just tears tears from people in the. media. um and then you know the jury walked out. and then the next day was the sentencing.

so we had this like. reprieve where we knew that we had you. know. basically everything was found not. guilty. except for the photo charge so it was a. huge win um and we knew based on how. they had. leverage and just they they did this. whole list of charges against him so the. charge sheet was a mile long. um so out of everything that was the. only thing that we knew that they could. get him on. um so it was kind of best case scenario. considering because we knew that they.

were not going to just. relent and you know so i just remember. walking out. of the courtroom area walking into like. where everyone was in the overflow and. all of our friends that were watching. the overflow and just. we just all just cried and cried and. cried and. tears and relief and just like. overwhelmed overwhelmed. yeah and so the picture that you see. is after all that day and it's like okay. we have a brief reprieve where.

it's done yeah the trial is done the. trial is over. we have one more day we have sentencing. tomorrow which we didn't know what was. going to happen with the sentencing. but we're like we did it we did it and. the team was thrilled we were all gonna. go meet up at one of our favorite little. spots. um right there in point loma um that. night. so walking out of that. my face looks like a smirky. i told you so yeah and i was right all.

along. and now you all know and then eddie's. just looks like. straight like i don't know relief mixed. with like. [ __ ] this like just pushing the door. open but he you know he looks amazing. and. i'm just right there next to him like. hand in hand like. we told you so and now you all know that. we overcame this and like you can't. hold it on us anymore god what a feeling. yeah. what a feeling it was i feel like it.

captured that. yeah yeah when you know the context. you're like oh yeah that does look like. what they're saying. facially yeah and now knowing your style. a little bit. oh yeah it's perfect yeah it's like yeah. yeah and i went out to the media. thereafter and we would we would. sometimes after the days. the long days are big days we would do a. debrief with the media so. uh there is some footage after where i. basically. go after everybody and i'm like this is. why.

we as a nation uphold innocence until. proven guilty. and what we've created out of this. system you know. is we're doing it all wrong and we. should not be doing this to people. and like the whole trial by media thing. i mean it's a real thing. for sure and it's amazing to hear that. the team that you put together. all has some backstory with personally. dealing with this themselves yeah which. is crazy it is crazy. it's it's a total god thing it was. totally orchestrated and.

or ordained appointed anything that you. can say to be like. it does not make sense that. i would have been on 9 11. i would have been 21 years old trevin. would have been. just under a year old and i can remember. holding my. baby the night of 9 11 and thinking what. in the world did i do. how did i bring this child into this. world you know the twin towers had. collapsed that day. and in a way we are all so enmeshed.

through. everyone that went through 9 11 because. you know where you were you know what. you were doing and you know what you. were feeling and i remember. feeling that feeling of um hopelessness. and especially for my child. and just like holding my child and. rocking my child and i remember having. god like kind of tell me like. this is how i care for you like i hold. you when it seems out of control like he. didn't know. he was great he was sleeping soundly and. snuggled up and i'm like. bawling thinking how am i going to.

protect this kid. in this world that we're living in which. was only progressively. you know getting worse and then i can. distinctly remember. moments when eddie and i got back. together and we had that moment like. where. he was getting ready to leave for the. seal teams in san diego and i was a. single mom in indiana and i was like i. don't know how we're gonna make this. work. and um it was almost like okay well was. this the end of like the story. and then there was a moment where he was. like holding me. rocking me in the kitchen and.

i'm not kidding you we like had a bolt. of lightning. that went through us and i stepped back. and i remembered that feeling of rocking. trevin and god telling me it was gonna. be okay. after 9 11 and then this man that's been. brought back into my life that's like. this warrior that's now going to go. fight for everything our country stands. for since 9 11. i mean it's just there's so many points. where i feel like god orchestrated. so much and you know our our whole team.

is just. badasses like we must be like honorary. new yorkers by now because everyone on. our team is like a new yorker. and we have that i think that like level. of like. you know fight in us um that they. embodied during all of that struggle to. rebuild and like. i don't know i think it is pretty. beautiful um now. just the the storyline of like we knew. each other. and then we got back together and then. now. it's it's been a three decades journey.

for us yeah. so yeah the vindication um in 2018. would have been about an at the other. 10-year mark so. meeting at 16 reconnecting uh um 27 26. and 27 and then now. that was yeah 2018 i would have been. just 28 but we started to go through it. during the like. 20 26 27 years mark. yeah so our our story is very. interesting. and very a lot of connecting points that. make it. pretty fascinating yeah and one of your.

interviews that you did. um it was after he got released and. you said let me see if i could find it. oh. what everyone meant for evil god used. for good do you still feel that today. yes like 100 oh 100 so. that's actually crazy too we put this in. the book so eddie. was at niko and he was going through. um because at niko they kind of like. when you get out of the seal teams a lot. of people if you've done that many.

deployments like it's just part of. getting out like you go to niko you get. all. of the testing done you get everything. documented all the things that you've. suffered or gone through you know you. test for tbi. and ptsd and everything um so it's just. part of a precursor of him getting out. and making sure we're doing due. diligence before he leaves the military. so that he also gets all of his va. benefits. so he had actually so the timeline is. this like so we. we had the home raid in june 20th 2018. we relocated. by the 4th of july we were at our new. home um.

he was then um taken on. 9 11. so that year in september i would. have been in florida with the kids. my son would have already been at col. we're leaving for college almost. um and then eddie was back at nico so he. was doing kind of the geo batching thing. and he was there at the program and he. was going through it and he was really. taking. everything in so he'd do anything from. you know an art class to music therapy. to acupuncture and you know everything. in between. and so he had called me that morning on.

9 11. it's always a somber day. obviously for everybody um. and i remember the first time he called. i was like. so invigorated because i had been. listening to a podcast i. i've listened to joyce meyer for decades. and her podcast was all about joseph. and so um the story of joseph he's the. youngest of 12 brothers so he's in a. community. of brothers and he's the youngest and. he's kind of called by god. and he has these dreams and these. visions of.

um things and his brothers ultimately. get jealous. and they plot against him and they. decide that they're. going to kill him and one of the. brothers intercedes and like don't kill. him let's just throw him away let's. throw him in a pit so they like. take his coat they cover it in blood. they throw him in a pit. and eventually slave traders come and he. gets sold into slavery and then the. story continues that joseph is basically. thrown in all of these like horrific. nightmare situations but then he somehow. gets elevated so when he's in jail.

then he gets elevated to the head of the. household of potiphar and then. potiphar's wife has the hots for him so. then the wife goes after him. and tries to throw herself on him after. multiple attempts. he runs out of the house and then she's. like he raped me. so then this guy goes on basically trial. for rape and. the kid is like doing the right thing. he's a righteous individual but he keeps. on finding himself in these situations. so then he gets thrown back in jail. and so then he's like in jail again for. something he didn't do. and then while he's in jail he has this.

interaction with two individuals and so. this is all in the bible and so i'm like. telling eddie the story i was like. i feel like this is so symbolic like. this is like you like you're. joseph like you've been betrayed you've. been betrayed by your brothers but it's. happening for a purpose and. this is happening in that verse what it. symbolizes is. were it not for the negative things that. happened to joseph. he would have never been elevated to the. place that ultimately. he was given and so the story goes that.

as joseph is in there with. the king's cup bearer and with the kings. like cook. he's like tell tell the king you know i. can interpret dreams and remember me. when you go before the king. and so one day the king starts having. these crazy bizarre dreams and then. at a certain point way later joseph is. called before the king. he then ultimately ends up being the. second command he's given a ring on his. finger. he's in charge of the entire um. basically the saving of.

of the people of egypt but also. subsequently the hebrew. people so joseph gets put a second in. command. he ultimately ends up saving all of his. brothers and his father. and they come before him and they don't. know who he is. because he it's so long and he's so. different. and they're in the midst of this famine. and drought and they go before him. and he basically encounters his brother. and he says that verse. to all of them to his you know the 12.

brothers yeah and he's like what you. meant for evil. god meant for good in the saving of many. lives what is now happening. so he was ultimately their salvation at. the end of the day. oh my goodness and that's i've said that. i've quoted that but that morning eddie. heard me out on that podcast. and and like how much i was getting from. it and the story of joseph became an. anchor for me and that scripture became. an anchor for me. about full circle why god was doing what. he was doing. and i had told you or shaw and i said.

you know god audibly told me this is. bigger than us. this is bigger than us because when i. would just fall in a you know. a heap and cry and you know i. i had to hold on to what i believed and. what i believed would that was that god. was allowing us to go through this for a. purpose. that was bigger than us and i do i do. see that now more than ever. yeah that's so powerful it's a powerful. story a very symbolic yeah. but it's powerful that that kept you. going.

you know and and kept that in turn kept. eddie going and your family and. and all of it it's just it's it's. remarkable it truly is. it is which leads to where you guys are. today. and the pipe hitter foundation and now. helping others. yep and do you want to talk about that. and kind of explain a little bit more. about that. yeah so yeah that. that was really birthed out of the. overall struggle of dealing with. an amazing non-profit that had our best. interests they had our back.

they supported us um and that was the. navy seals fund. um and then we had this other non-profit. that targeted us. and was corrupt and i thought of all the. things of all the evil. that we're experiencing and then trying. to additionally. capitalize off of our misfortune and. extort us and all of these things i was. like. it doesn't get much worse and i'm like. for military families especially. that don't have the wherewithal they. don't know how to even.

circumvent the level of pressure that. this system is able i mean. and they put their thumb on the scale i. mean they had their thumb on the scale. of our trial the whole time and it was. from every angle. and so we would always say like we saw. behind a curtain that we never knew. existed. and most people don't want to know it. existed but now that we do we cannot. unsee. what we saw and knowing that if we do. let's say we just go into the night and. we.

oh gosh thank god we got out of that i. i could not in good conscience live my. life. knowing that it's possible for these. types of things to happen to people. and not do something about it so even. before. eddie got out of the military and they. continued to terrorize him even after. his trial so he got. vindicated almost near the 4th of july. 2019 that was the day of our sentencing. and then um the third of july i think. was the day.

and then from that point through i. think november he retired late november. 2019 so just last year. um i started the process of looking into. how do we create a nonprofit how do we. do something to stop this from happening. how do we. put another good and righteous nonprofit. on the map. and potentially take this other. non-profit out that's like. using these people so it took a very. long time. i never intended to start a nonprofit.

but the pipeheader foundation was. just born out of our struggle and. between. sean and i the map that we carved was. one that was totally unique so. me utilizing my background and like. imagery. and branding and messaging and just like. fighting basically for what's right and. fighting to get. our message out there and then sean. fighting through the channels of. um you know utilizing the congress and. the members of congress we had them sign. on to a piece of paper that actually.

basically in essence it was the reason. that president trump got involved so. we had over 50 members of congress sign. on. to um to basically saying that eddie. needed to have the right. to defend himself that he should have. the right to do that and so. when we crafted this path um. we felt like we had we had a purpose in. sharing how to help people through. trials and struggles because what we had. done was. pretty unprecedented so that's what our.

foundation does we helped to guide. people through crisis. through advocacy pr legal defense funds. and then emergency relief grants. so what we knew was they went after our. whole family they just didn't go after. eddie they went after his children they. went after me. they tried to break us apart they tried. to crush us they tried to financially. overwhelm us. so we try to empower and equip people. and walk alongside of them in a way. that will enable them to hopefully get. through and come out on the other side. of being wrongly targeted or caught in.

the midst of a crossfire. of whatever it is so that's kind of the. vision behind it and so we basically got. our irs approval during the middle of. 2020 covid. um but we immediately started to set out. to help people so we've been raising. money online we obviously haven't been. able to do events but we've partnered. with amazing foundations like. charlie daniels the journey home project. um they've. helped us to get off the ground and done. special donations and like.

we're just really trying to help as many. people as possible but it's not. just service members it's police first. responders service members and their. family. oh okay i didn't know that yeah that's. great. so yeah we have an amazing board of. directors mark mccasey sits on our board. of directors. okay actually a lot of people that were. involved in the fight to free eddie are. involved. i was gonna ask okay yeah we have an. amazing board of director. uh and then um so those individuals a. lot of them were critical. in helping us to tip the scales to free.

eddie. um and then um our executive director. is incredible so yeah definitely did not. set out to start a non-profit but here. we are. and i feel like it's a total calling for. us and we just we have to do it there's. no. no other option because people need help. and now. sadly our police are getting targeted. just as bad as our military. it's just it's just sad and we we. wouldn't have been able to foresee that. um so yeah by the grace of god we're now.

able to help and support. um these people through these types of. struggles or if their families are. targeted. wow and it's currently undergoing like. you guys are. working with oh yeah we got irs approval. in april and then we immediately. started to um go through the. applications. um we had gotten an influx of once we. kind of did a soft launch and launched. the website we also launched the. application portal. and we got a backlog of over 40. applications of people. that are sadly in you know some level of. hardship situation um.

that we're specifically looking to help. them with so um we have. you know we have a pretty tight. wheelhouse of what we will take and what. we will. onboard um so our board of directors. votes on the people that we want to. approve but we offer. help and guidance and then emergency. relief grants so yeah we've already been. able to help people and their families. and. give emergency relief grants to people. that are struggling. in going through similar legal hardships. or maybe even a hardship related to some. type of illness or.

hardship about them getting pushed out. of the military because that's the. common thread too. even after eddie's trial he was. consistently targeted and pushed out. and they wanted to take everything from. him they wanted to take his retirement. they wanted to take his. um military benefits they wanted to take. his trident it was just injury to insult. to insult. and it was all just sour grapes you know. because we have. exposed so much about how badly they. handled this case. um so we see that a lot sadly with our. nonprofit. um it's a consistent problem that these.

commands are weaponizing the ucmj. and they're basically targeting service. members and stripping them at like. 18 19 years of everything. for stuff that they've some of them for. stuff they've been found not guilty of. and it's like what's the point of the. process. if you're going to just then in essence. leave them. alone and destitute because their wives. leave them their kids are taken. they have no income they can't go get a. job.

they're you know if their trident's. taken it's such an identity for them. um and then you're basically. putting these people at risk for veteran. suicide yeah that's another thing. um i was just briefly talking to eddie. downstairs between. sean and eddie's break but they're. targeting. an already like fragile group of guys. that are coming back you know what i. mean although there are. our war heroes but you know like 22 a. day and it's just like.

what are they getting out of that and it. it i don't know. it's awful because we're coming up to 20. years of these guys. and i just feel like there needs to be. more awareness more. talk about yeah all of that and the. transition and to then hear that. these guys are getting targeted and. losing that purpose that they fought for. it's it's awful right it's really awful. so i think you guys are doing. god's work you really are yeah i believe. so i feel like there is. just such a bigger um underlying reason. why we got into this and now what we're.

discovering is through the level of. hardship that these people are. experiencing one of our main goals that. we're evolving for 2021. is doing more about the veteran suicide. but when you think about all of the. pressure. that is put on these guys from the. beginning and the onset of their career. and a lot of research has been done. now that we've been navigating. transition for the better part of 2020. it's just so eye-opening. a lot of the injuries to their brains. and the tbis. are even obtained during training before. they even go.

to combat really so you think about. these guys with you know. huge tears in their brain through even. the developmental process to become a. seal. and to be able to be trained enough to. go over into theater. and these guys the this 20-year. generation of the 911. generation is going to be so unique. because they deployed. for eddie for this example he deployed. back to back. non-stop he was in iraq afghanistan iraq. afghanistan. on and on and on and on i mean eight.

combats. deployments and then. the level of services okay so everyone's. like. well why are they so messed up when they. get out i'm like when do you. think when they're working up for. a year and a half deploying non-stop. and then coming back and doing another. workup and that's that's the other thing. the cycles of the soft community are. you're at work up doing your special. prodev and. your training me well longer than you.

are usually deployment so your family. is just on hold on hold on hold and you. know. i don't think people have a clear grasp. and understanding of the sacrifice that. these families and these men. have made the last 20 years and the. weight of the bra of the burden of 9 11. it did fall on to the soft community. that's just common knowledge. so the idea that someone that served for. 18 you know 20 years has maybe done. anywhere. from two to 10 to 20 combat deployments.

and then. yeah you mess up like there's people. that we help and support yes. they messed up they did something wrong. but the punishment does not fit the. crime like. if you think of these guys and they've. been used and abused and they have. you know mental and emotional and that's. what they signed up for and eddie is. very open about like listen. i knew i was disposable in a way. i was disposable to the military yes.

they invested a lot into me. but um you know ultimately at the end of. the day he would have given his life. for this job um but they're. i think there's a very big fine line. where at the end of their careers. i think there's this they're they're. i guess the word is they're expendable. they're expendable but they're not. disposable. these guys have fought and given so much. and then. they do one thing or they get caught up. in something. and then they're discarded by their.

commands and the community. and everything stripped it's like there. is something bigger that's going on that. i think that we need to address. by like how do you just discard someone. that clearly. is suffering that because you put them. through. years of sustained combat and you really. didn't have a proper break in there. that yeah they probably do have issues. they've never addressed so therefore. that's why you're seeing. the veterans that are trying to navigate. transition these are people that have.

been. operating and going non-stop for. sometimes two decades straight. and it's been happening and so therefore. they have a backlog of trauma that. they've never dealt with. and in transition is where they have the. time. to sit and to think and to be like i. really. am screwed up it comes to light it comes. to light. and they don't have the wherewithal a. lot of times so many of them have broken. marriages because. they gave everything to the community.

that they served i mean the divorce. right now in the sale community is over. 120. because they're calculating second. marriages i mean. it's it's a trickle-down effect these. guys get affected. the battle rhythm that they were called. to serve is obviously it's going down. operationally now we're not at the. height of a war but these guys were. and so it's just all part of a bigger. problem that i think we're only going to. start. seeing the real consequences of a. 20-year war.

on our service members their families. and so that's why we just want to be. prepared. and ahead of the game and that's why the. piper foundation we will take that on. more as a pillar of. our service to the veteran community and. even to the police community with. everything they're suffering i know. their suicide rates are skyrocketing. i mean there's no appreciation there. either right so. it's like these guys that are the heroes. and the best among us. have been everything for us have now. turned just having targets on their. backs. and then we wonder why is the rate going.

up and i mean the suicide rate. isn't even 22 a day anymore it's higher. and and the va i don't think they'll put. a new number to it because. it would probably just be too. overwhelming right. but i've heard it's closer to 30 which. that's probably not even accurate it's. probably double that. but they're not calculating and i've. talked to people that have lost. you know children um to the war of. suicide that served and there's just not. enough being done so we're just we're. looking to partner. more in 2021 to do more but we do feel.

like it's uniquely entrenched into how. these commands are just discarding. right these people um and you can't. strip. military benefits away from someone. that's just getting to the point where. they have to figure out how to do a new. way of life. after serving for 20 years and they've. sustained horrific injuries. internally or externally in combat it's. just it's unfathomable. it's actually it's a horrible thing that. should not be allowed i don't care if. someone did do something. horrible if these people have internal.

wounds that they suffered in combat. there should be. more to offer that because otherwise. they don't have any other choice they're. destitute i agree and they're forgetting. that they're human. you know what i mean and humans make. mistakes and and. that's just what humans do yeah so to. discard them almost like machines where. it's like you're. programmed to do a job if you mess up. they can just discard you you know what. i mean and i just think that. it's awful that they're they're doing.

that and they're getting away with it. and. and they're forgetting that they're. human you know so. i again i just think it's it's amazing. what you guys are doing. and thank you bringing all that to light. and. it's it's incredible yeah the fight. continues yeah. absolutely yeah like how do you. then prepare neck for this next chapter. for no pun intended but for the book to. be released. and there's got to be.

a wall that you're starting to maybe put. up for like this next. wave possibly of of more press and. all of that do you think that that would. would come and and. obviously you guys are ready to handle. it but. are you though you know what i mean like. i don't think that you get into a. situation like this like we. we would have never been able to predict. like what would have happened or how. popularized like his. case and the trial and then when when. president trump. got involved and rightly so in my.

opinion like when we. put that before congress and the people. were like he deserves a right to a fair. trial he deserves a right. to innocence until proven guilt you know. guilty um. when that happened and then trump ended. up tweeting to get eddie out of pretrial. confinement. um i mean so much has been so. eye-opening but we did turn into a bit. of a political football. because of the you know just the. contentious nature between the media and. president trump. it actually we got spiraled into a very. weird environment where it wasn't about.

the case it wasn't about what was true. it was about what was the best. click bait and so if it was some. egregious charge that they threw on. there that was completely fabricated and. made up like oh. um so first things first no one. and the prosecution knew this no one. really cared. too much about a dead isis fighter so. strategically. they fabric got people to fabricate and. make up. insinuations that there was people that.

they saw killed on deployment which were. formerly on deployment reported as isis. killing them that then they turned into. oh eddie gallagher. was killing them now none of this was. founded or real and it never happened. but. it got to the point where this became. such a fabrication. and story that the prosecution and then. the media also furthered this narrative. so. actually what you can see that people. are most upset about or what's most. egregious to everybody. is that one of the charges was that. eddie killed. a little girl and a a father.

on father's day an old man that was. probably a father on father's day i'm. like you can't make this. up like it it was completely. false it's fictitious it didn't happen. but. in the media it is the most prevalent. and. widely known egregious war criminal. story about eddie gallagher. right and you're just sitting watching. and it's so eye-opening so to answer. your question the fake news media.

is real suppression of conservative. values beliefs. um anything opposing is real because it. happened to us the entire time through. social media and anything that had to do. with if we spoke out against. whatever or if we said the truth about. this it was like. you get thrown in instagram jail or. whatever and it's like. okay this is only really going one way. and then you've seen it just escalate. and escalate and escalate and you talk. about this stuff and you're like. you sound like a crazy person because.

no one really wants to think that it's. possible that we're under this much. control. and that the media and that everything. is just. so convoluted and the narratives are. just. made to get eyeballs so if you look at. any article nine times out of ten. it's eddie and dress whites and. sunglasses and you know because it's. like. someone's bound to click on that yeah. and even articles that are not even. about us.

they'll find a way to put eddie. gallagher's name in and the headline. picture is eddie and dress whites and. it's like. it's not even an article about us it's. about and then. remember this happened and eddie. gallagher and it's like. it's just click bait yeah and so the. media is the media i do feel like it was. trial by fire for us. i don't have whatever chip it is that. makes me care. about other people's opinions or. whatever like i know what the truth is. i'm a child of god i'm an amazing human. being i do my best to be kind and.

i can bust some balls but as long as. you're on my good side i'm a nice human. being. i love my friends i love my family i'm. fiercely devoted i'm loyal. i i don't buy into any of it and i. didn't i didn't care. but i do have people that are very close. to me. that it affected them greatly it hurt. them it hurt them to hear. stories of eddie and it hurt them to. hear the media saying these things about. eddie and it would. put him into a tailspin and it's hard.

it's hard to watch people be terrorized. like this so for me it's not as much. concern for me. it's concern of protecting my children. protecting. my husband because he is a little bit. more sensitive when things get said and. it's. it's just it's such a sad reality that. like. you could have an elite career um and. you could have. nothing bad about you your reputation is. spotless and then you just have this. huge.

thing that's just all false and made up. and you're you know it's who you are now. right and now you're you're labeled as a. war criminal. by the way everybody taking a photo is. not a war crime. it's just not i'm sorry everyone does it. in the military i know people don't. aren't we better than that no people in. the military are exposed to horrific. violence and they are desensitized and. that's how they have to be. they're members of the military that's.

why only one percent of one percent. signs up for the military and special. ops so it's like. i think you know people need to stop. being so naive and they also need to. stop. looking at click bait look into it. taking a photo. is not a war crime by the way everyone. else in the platoon took a photo with. that guy. individually cumulatively collectively. why did they only go after eddie. gallagher it's because eddie gallagher. was a target. and it's just it's hard to see how.

little bandwidth people have for the. truth. but how much they will spin out on. lies false information and people still. think eddie was pardoned. they still think trump pardoned eddie. after all. and they just want to believe that the. negative that it. it just that's they're yeah more. comfortable in stewing in that. you know and not looking into it and. yeah. you know coming up with their own. conclusions on things but. i mean i know we both said that we both.

don't come from military backgrounds and. i know for me being with sean. really opened my eyes to what actually. goes on over there. and i don't just mean that with our guys. our military guys i mean the culture. over there and. and i thought before sean. i was pretty up to date with my news and. i could pretty much tell you what was. going on and i was much more new savvy. then than i am now.

by far oh yeah um because now i just. don't trust any of the news but. um people don't want to know that stuff. and i i remember just being like what. like there's no way and. to then jump on something like eddie's. case. where you don't know and when they see. guys take pictures with isis and it's. like oh my god and. but they don't know and the media. doesn't. tell people that and it's completely.

shielded so then once something like. this your case. is thrown into them into their living. room to see this. they're so quick to just place judgment. yeah and. and think that they know but they have. no idea. yeah and it's it's just amazing it is. absolutely amazing because. you can't there's no way in knowing i. wish. so many times that some of the people. closest to me could really hear. sean and other guys experiences and.

inform them. on what that culture is like what the. world is like over there. what our guys go through and. it it's just so mind-blowing it's pure. evil and no one no one over here really. wants to know because he wouldn't they. don't at night. no if you knew on a given day what these. guys encounter. i mean i can remember eddie telling me. stories about. uh this last deployment in mosul and. that like they would try to draw them. out by just. sending little kids at them to draw them.

out and then they would just. spray these little kids and kill women. and children all the time to draw. the guys out and eddie would just be. like there. is dead bodies everywhere there is stuff. all over the place like. um isis is just brutal brutal. with the women and children over there. so they cut off little kids heads. and they put them on spikes outside the. schoolyard and this is the things. that our country they wouldn't want you.

to know that because. then you wouldn't be so superficial to. just all you're worried about is keeping. up with kardashians or scrolling through. social media or laughing at cat videos. it's like. people need to wake up this in this. world there is evil. in this country there is evil pure evil. the purest form that. they would murder you your children in a. second. and that's what they're over there. fighting and then. we want to armchair quarterback and act. like we know better.

or we would be above it and i'm like if. you've never had a bullet whiz by your. head or someone die beside you. or seen a woman and children you know. just. brutally murdered in the street don't. give me your mental platitudes or your. opinions. keep your mouth shut and that's what i. think military spouses. need to start speaking up more because. the guys won't the guys will. slowly die a. death of just you know keeping it all.

inside. and that's a big thing of why i feel. very strongly that it's. going to be the spouses that are going. to have to be the ones. to advocate for these men that have gone. through all of this trauma. helped to set them on the path to the. right direction and like that's why all. of 2020 was devoted to. the creation of the book and he worked. on the book and then helping. him restore and getting you know any. type of help or therapy or advocacy that. we could that's the most cutting edge.

for people that have. basically sacrificed their mind body and. spirit to the cause of protecting this. country. and even though the military now wants. to discard them. and thinks that they're you know. disposable they're not. i mean these men have so much to give. we have to do more we have to be. standing up for them. and that's why i just feel really. strongly like that's going to be one of. my main things that i'm going to focus. on is like. how can we be better to the people.

that have served us and that's like our. non-profit is. our tagline is um you know we're serving. those that serve us. and i do think that this is a big part. of it as we come to the 20-year mark of. you know 9 11 i think we do have to. tackle veteran suicide and. why are these guys struggling so much. and why are the commands keeping them. at a breakneck pace to where they get. out and it's like. the caboose it's like you know they're. on a freight train their whole career. and then the caboose just like. slams into them but it's also into the.

wives. it's into their kids i mean these are. whole families that are being lost. and eddie was just telling me you know. statistically. it's military families beget military. families. and i have to say i don't know if that's. going to be. prevalent in this country with the way. that we're treating these people i mean. we've said you know if any of our kids. want to go in the military you know we. we would not discourage them but i don't. know with the way that they're treating.

the military like who's gonna enlist. yeah who's gonna go. when we need them right that was one of. my questions for you is. um if ryan you know wanted to join would. you. encourage it or how would you feel about. it. i would not deny him that just like i. would not deny eddie. his life's dream and goal of being a. navy seal and like i remember. like i love um eddie's uh grandmother. dolores. she was just an amazing beautiful woman. like straight out of mad men.

like she was one of the first airline. stewardesses like back when you had to. be a basically like a model. oh to be an airline stewardess but you. know she. she was later in years by this time 70. plus years old probably closer to 80 and. i just remember i talked to her and. she's like i just. worry i just worry for him and. um you know and i'd be like but grandma. i was like if. you know eddie's the type of person that. if he sees a burning building. he's gonna go in and i was like if we. stop him from doing.

something like that someone like eddie. will just slowly die anyhow. and i truly feel that that is part of. the problem that we're experiencing i. feel like this society is just. suffocating. this warrior class of males and. you know we just want them all to be you. know i don't know what we want people to. be. anymore but it's definitely not a. masculine male and i'm like. i'm sorry i still believe in the. masculine male i love. men i i love my brothers and the seal. teams and. we have to have those people to defend.

us and stand up. and to fight and i think like um it's. just so important so no i would never. never if if ryan truly felt that he was. called to do that. um i would handle the same way i handled. being married to eddie and eddie is my. best friend he is. i he is my person in life i mean and. i've said. before like i can't tell you how many. times i planned what i would say if he.

came back. in a cost in a casket like what would i. say what would i. what would i do because i had friends. that had to do that and it's like. it was just part of the job like making. peace with the fact that he was doing. something that yes. ultimately he could die um. and i think you know by the grace of god. i was able to kind of compartmentalize. that. and just still live a very full happy. life knowing that. he could walk onto the street and get. hit by a car and that'd be the end of. him and if it's his time to go it's his.

time to go and i mean i think god. has a plan for all of us so i don't live. in fear. of oh eddie could be dead i would have. never thought he would have gone to jail. for. being in the military but that's another. thing he's been delivered from. so you know and i know people go over. there and they do. people lose husbands and sons and so you. do have to at some level make peace with. it it might be harder for me to let one. of my children go. maybe than even my husband but i don't. know. i wouldn't stop him god it's so much and.

you know. just doing all the research before you. guys got here yeah thinking that i had. a somewhat good idea i really didn't i. mean not until. you're opening up about so crazy it is. that's why the book is going to be over. 500 pages it's like. you can't make any of this up you can't. leave any of it out. we that's why we did it that way because. we really there's no. format where you can sit and share. every nuance of everything and the. corruption and the manipulation and.

this than this and this and so um. that's why we wanted the book as kind of. an anchor to the story. because it is a long story over the. course of years. and it still continues so yeah we're. looking forward to writing the next. chapter but. the media will not dissuade me and we. will get targeted again. i'm sure right um you know because. that's how it is it's in. fits and spurts like they'll leave you. alone like the mob will leave you alone. as long as you're not. speaking up or speaking out but i plan.

on speaking up and speaking out for. our military and our service members and. their spouses for a very long time so. good. yeah i think that's great yeah i really. do and especially. the spouses as well because i like we. were talking yesterday just about it all. and. um it's the front line you know when. they get home. so um and there's not enough resources. for women. who absorb the majority of. what these men go through and there is. thank god by the grace of god there's.

been so many amazing non-profits even so. many of our friends that have started. amazing non-profits. that have given eddie access to. cutting-edge treatment and therapies and. new things that they're trying for. veterans and especially to keep people. off of pills which. oh yeah do not agree with pills i don't. agree with big pharma. at all in the way they want to medicate. our vets i think it's horrible. that's another thing i think it's also. tied in with veteran suicide and i just. we have to do more and um i just went to.

a retreat not that long ago was the very. first thing. for me that i've ever gone to just like. a spiritual retreat which i love. spiritual. stuff and spiritual retreats and growth. in general so. um going to that and being surrounded by. other women and just having those shared. experiences of saying like. my husband was not who. like who he started out like he turned. into this person that was just. ravaged with anxiety or ptsd or whatever.

and i would hear these women's stories. and i was just like heartbroken like. oh my gosh like you're the one you're. the one that's absorbing all of it. and there was a one of the facilitators. at dinner one night we had this. conversation and it was it's a really. cool experience it's called orw it's. operation restored warrior and so they. do. drop zones for the men um and these are. usually people at their wit's end like. they've tried everything they've done. every therapy they've done every. and they're on the verge of like i might.

not make it. and so operation restored warrior was. started by a guy named paul lavelle. and they're now starting to do female. drop zones and so eddie went in october. and it's just like a spiritual. restoration type retreat for a lot of. the wounds that these guys sustain. and i got the opportunity to go in. november and talking with one of the. facilitators i. heard her story and they shared their. own stories because they're military. spouses and. she happened to also be facilitating. with her husband so her husband was a. male facilitator she's a female.

facilitator. and then they they play these clips and. so they play. movie clips as a way to kind of like. introduce themes or. or things and so they started. playing a clip of the hunger games and. i watch movies but i forget them and. watching this. clip it was like i think i was just. bawling. and it's like it was so symbolic. of um you know. it's not katniss who's chosen it's prin.

and so prin is the one that's selected. to like be a part of the hunger games. and i was like. it's our guys our guys are prin our guys. are the ones that sign up our guys are. the ones that volunteer. our guys are the ones that go there and. and they're the tribute. but ultimately it's the it's the females. the spouses are katniss and katniss like. stands up and it's like.

i'm gonna i'm gonna fight. on this person's behalf and i feel like. that's like so symbolic of like. these women obtained so many wounds from. protecting their husband and then. protecting their kids. when their husband's having a hard time. and talking that night i was like we've. gotta do more. i mean these women are bearing such a. burden. and so that that picture of like.

katniss volunteering as tribute it's. it's a position of strength she does it. out of the love. and that's. that's how i'm gonna live the rest of my. life like. he's the one that was chosen to be a. part of the military but i'm. i need to i am volunteering as a tribute. to. be a voice for him because he won't. speak up. as much i mean he is more because now.

he's kind of in a position where. he knows he's being called to talk more. about it. but i do feel like it's just so symbolic. of like. i feel like spouses have got to stand up. because i know these guys do a lot of. hurt and a lot of damage to spouses so i. don't blame anyone that's left. and if and if something horrible is. happening obviously leave but. i feel like it's a very hopeless end for. so many of these people that give their. life in service and then they've ruined.

their lives they've ruined their. marriage and. you know and so they're alone and they. don't have anyone to turn to and my. friends that have stood by their spouses. i mean they are the most amazing women. a lot of them are very godly faith-based. women though. right and i feel like that's part of it. because otherwise how can you see. through this fog of war that they come. back with and you're like. you're not even like the person. but in the course of a year i've seen. like my eddie who had to be.

you know he he had to be in a very much. like go mode very hard. for all the years of service and i look. at him sometimes and i'm like oh my gosh. you know getting him back is it means a. lot. not losing him in the first place to war. yeah or then. the trial or jail for the remainder of. his life and then. it's beautiful so i know it's possible i. know healing is possible because.

i've seen in the course of the year he. has. we have tried all different types of. stuff to. help and support him through transition. so i know that if we just keep doing. more. to help and support our veterans it's. possible because i've seen it in my. husband and i feel like. if we can survive a military career. and a war crimes trial and within one. year i'm seeing healing and restoration. on a level that's just. monumental it's anyone it can happen for.

anybody yeah. because his transition wasn't like. everybody else's oh no. it was yeah he was put through the. ringer yeah for sure absolutely. yeah and um i mean. i told you yesterday i wasn't with sean. when. he was deployed yeah but i was there. when he was home. and after an attempted suicide yeah and. then i come into his life so yeah i just. feel like. we're all put together for a reason and.

um it's it's huge you know yeah. it is beyond us but oh yeah. seeing who he was from our first date. to who he is today and uh. it is possible you know it is yeah. there's a lot of growth and. um healing that that comes along with. time but you have to be patient and. and reach out to others and and ask for. help. right yeah um yeah it it's huge you know.

it is huge for sure yeah so. i definitely feel like you know i hope. that as we can grow our network and our. influence and the nonprofit. and what we're doing to help and support. i mean i feel strongly. the spouse side has got to be built up. in a way that empowers these women. to be able to cope and to deal with. what's happening. in the lives of the men that they love. yeah and have the tools there. to use and tap into for sure.

yeah and also get support for themselves. because. i don't think when when your main focus. in your main job is like. supporting and protecting your your. family and your spouse and. you're seeing um you know all that. they've gone through. i mean you know why it's happening but. you don't always know. how to help and support them in a way. that like you said i think you have to. have a lot of patience built in and i. think. that for me comes through just prayer. and just believing that one day we'll.

get to. the place where you know we. we need to be or that he should deserve. he deserves to be happy and at peace. yeah you know he served and he gave and. i don't. i don't believe that our veterans are um. irreparable or you know like. they're they are worth fighting for and. so i think as spouses. um the more that we can stand up for. them and the more that we can you know. advocate for them in the future. um it's gonna be pretty powerful so yeah.

i i left that retreat. and i'm like they at the end of it kind. of have you choose a new name and i'm. like. um a couple years ago i prayed um. just that like uh my word or my thing. for the year was like. um a fire inside and i had totally. forgotten about it. and that fire was. built through basically from 2015 on. i've been having 2020. yeah and so from 2015 i started to have.

this. like it was like a real trial by fire. and. almost a refiner's fire that i forgot. that i had said that a couple years ago. about fire inside and then. at the retreat when i was like praying. and i told. i told them i was like my new name is. going to be girl on fire. and so like no i've got this like whole. katniss like i'm coming for you i'm. coming for everybody like. but in a good way too like absolutely. you know like in the end. she steps into a role that she didn't.

necessarily know. was going to come upon her and then she. builds her strength then she trains and. she learns. and she she ends up saving you know her. people. ultimately and my people are you know. eddie and my kids and my family and. those are my immediate people but i do. hope it'll have a ripple effect of. helping and supporting other people and. other veterans and their spouses so yeah. well it sounds like you're you're. already doing it the ripple effect is in. effect. i'm already on fire i just need lenny.

kravitz to give me the better wardrobe. help me yeah yeah rewatching that part. too i had the kids watch it with me when. i came back home because eddie left. to go do something else in texas um and. so yeah we rewatched it in that scene. where she's just like. spinning with the fire i was like oh one. day. i love it yeah well so how do people. find. pipe hitter foundation and more about. your book what are some quick things. they can look into. okay yeah so everything is is all.

virtually. online you can connect with us um. eddie's account is just eddie gallagher. on instagram. um i'm andrea gallagher on instagram um. we have all the stuff like kind of. embedded in his link there but we are. going to be doing a website in 2021 so. we're going to kind of launch like all. things eddie gallagher and affiliated so. we're excited about that. um but the pipetter foundation our. nonprofit is linked under there you can. also find us on instagram at pi pitter. foundation okay um or the. pipettorfoundation.org online and our.

website if anyone is watching this and. they realize they know someone that's in. crisis. you can reach out we have an application. line um. online form that they can fill out if. they're a service member police first. responder or veteran or a family member. okay um and yeah just in general um. we're really excited about the book the. book website is eddiegallagher.com. again we're going to try to get this all. in one place because it turns into a lot. like as you know if you guys have. different passions and stuff. um so as we evolve um it'll be on um.

the eddie gallagher.com but right now. find us on instagram connect with us. we have a lot of good things going on he. has a lot of awesome partnerships and. people that have come alongside of us. that we we love working with so we're. kind of having fun working together. great yeah yeah yeah thank. gallagherbook.com is um. right now we're only doing pre-sale. bundles but eventually everything will. launch. online the book will finally get through. dod god willing. um and we'll have more information on.

publication. and when you can buy it but it'll be on. amazon and everywhere books are sold so. great. and all those links that you just said. we could put those in the description. down below. yeah and the book is called the man in. the arena so yeah. that's my final thought with the. infamous picture the infamous picture. yeah which my face is like it's not the. critic who counts. because we were the ones that were in. the arena and so yeah that's how we live. our life we surround ourselves with. people that like you guys amazing. individuals out there like. making difference doing good things and. haters gonna hate us.

when i used to like t swift i can't even. say it anymore i'm so liberal. but you know it's good it's it's a good. journey and it'll it'll continue to. evolve but those are the fun things that. we're doing and then yeah 2021 is going. to focus on. the books and then eddie is working um. with another company he's gonna he's. getting into some. uh some guns gun sales gun kits great. stuff so some fun stuff you know guy. stuff. yeah you get wrapped up into this stuff. and you're like how do we get here.

how do i ask myself that a lot yeah hey. but if it leads to gummy bears and guns. like we're doing something right. there's no other place i'd rather be. right here so say yeah. well all right this has been really. great i know so it's really. good so um yeah real time. yeah let's wrap it we got some robes to. try on yes. we'll put those everyone should see our. robes we'll put a picture. okay we could do a picture we'll take a. picture yep so at the end of this. it's going to flash a picture of us.

looking fabulous. [Laughter]. we've really bonded we in the course of. a very short. i know this is how it is though if your. husband even if you weren't like a team. spouse in the teams like you are a team. spouse. if you are married to a former navy seal. we. we will get along yeah i love it. thank you so much awesome all right. that's a wrap oh that was so awesome.

tim's over here like oh my gosh i. witnessed the girl bonding. the tears. [Music].