Sean Strickland - The Most Controversial Fighter in the UFC Opens Up Like Never Before | SRS #325

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>> There's Eddie Gallagher's burner charges. up there. >> Oh yeah, it is. Real nice, dude. >> But uh. >> this guy over here took the world's. longest sniper shot or was on the team. >> Oh man, you got to get one of Tim. Kenny's grenades in here. >> Well, nobody could find him. [laughter]. >> No, actually I [ __ ] with Tim Candy. But. yeah, no, this place is dope, man. >> Yeah, you've been out here [ __ ]. crushing it, doing all the right things. You just had Candace Owens on, >> bro. That's a crazy. >> That went nuts. Yeah, that's a crazy. [ __ ] right there, dude. [laughter].

>> She's awesome. >> She's awesome, bro. I mean that all I. mean that. But dude, you look at her. eyes. Like, man, that's a crazy ass. [ __ ]. >> That's one person you don't want coming. after you. >> Oh, yeah. No, for [laughter] sure, dude. >> But, um, yeah, man. I've been pumped. about this. >> Yeah. I mean, you're out here crushing. it, dude. I'm just out here getting hit. in the [ __ ] head, >> getting distracted by the murder icons. [laughter]. >> It's war. It's not murder. All right. [ __ ] all goddamn heroes. >> Yeah, there's a lot, Dude. There's just. a lot of history in here, man. >> Yeah, I know. This room is dope, man.

This room, guys, if you ever, you know, if you ever go do something [ __ ] Sean. Ryan worthy, you got to come check out. the room. >> Your stuff's going to be hanging in. here, too. >> Yeah, I know. That's dope, dude. >> But uh but um yeah, let me uh give you. an introduction here. Not that you, >> but Sean Strickland, you're the current. UFC middleweight champion and one of the. most outspoken and polarizing fighters. in mixed martial arts. Since making your. UFC debut in 2014, you've built a. reputation for your relentless fighting. style, elite boxing, and willingness to.

take on anyone. Outside the octagon, you've been open about your difficult. upbringing, overcoming childhood abuse, and how fighting gave you purpose and. direction. Whether people agree with you. or not, you've built a reputation for. speaking your mind, challenging the. status quo, and refusing to filter your. opinions. Welcome to the show. >> Let's go, man. [clears throat]. >> And I got to say, man, out of uh, you. know, I have a tremendous amount of. respect for you, but the thing I love. the most about you is you're unfiltered.

And I don't I don't remember the exact. quote, but you know, we you said. something about you could be making a. lot more money if you would just shut. your mouth. >> Yeah. And I'm in that same boat. And um. you know one one thing I've noticed is a. lot of people, you know, when the money. starts coming. >> Well, you [ __ ] up cuz you talked about. the one group of people you can't talk. about like me. You know, I I talk about. everybody. I'm like the [ __ ] the. homos, the gay. So it's like I'm already.

out of it, bro. But I think you you. talked about the one group [laughter] of. people you can't talk about, which you. kind of [ __ ] yourself. But I mean, it's nice, bro. It's nice not to be like. It's nice not to be bound by anything, right? >> What are you building? I mean, if I. mean, I get like I I get it. Some. people, you know, they're building a. legacy and that's a financial legacy for. their kids or or maybe not even for. their kids, just for themselves. But if. it is for your kids, I mean, if you're. filtered, you're just you're teaching. your kids to. >> How much money do you [ __ ] need?

>> Exactly. >> Like I always talk to people like um. especially like all know like streamers. like my my boy Aiden, right? like he'll. go and do these like these streams. I'm. there with him. I'm like just watching. this. I'm like, "Bro, like do you ever. go home and just [ __ ] hate yourself?". Like, "Do you ever go home and just look. in the mirror and be like, "This was my. day today." He's like, "Yeah, all the. time." And I'm like, "Bro, like, like, bro, like how much more money do you. need? Like, you have to be like 50, 100. plus million. Like, how much more. [ __ ] money do you need right now? Like, just stop. You don't You don't got.

to be a [ __ ] dildo your whole life, dude. Just stop.". >> He built himself into a character. Yeah, you build yourself into a character and. you just can't [ __ ] stop. Like you're. so afraid of like I don't know if it's. like I don't want to be famous anymore, but it's like you're just so afraid of. like losing that. It's it's weird to me, man. It's weird to me. Like even even. with streaming, I would make probably a. significantly more money than I do. fighting streaming. But like going on. chat and like, "Hey chat, like who do. you want me to be today, chat? Like. here, come look at my life." It's just. it's so [ __ ] soul sucking that I. almost feel bad for these guys. It's. like, yeah, dude, you might have a.

[ __ ] Bugatti, but like your substance. as a man is gone. >> Yeah. >> And then you see some fighters who I. like used to look up to, watch do you, and you're like, "Oh, man." Like, >> it's real [ __ ] bad, dude. >> It's sad, you know? I saw it like when I. first started this, I just I never want. I saw it, you know, in the just in the. in the veteran community. And we we all. know who you know there's I'm sure. [laughter]. I'm sure we but uh yeah it's just it's. like it's sad because they're living in. a [ __ ] cage. So I don't mind. So I.

get like kind of torn between like that. cuz like so I never I always no offense. to seals. I always thought seals were. [ __ ] dildos and I met real seals, >> right? Cuz like the only seals I met. were like the influencers one and Mitch. I love my boy Mitch the guy that I I. challenge a seal and he came beat him up. and so I was always like to me like I. always thought seals were like like. influencers and then you go meet like. actual seals. >> Yep. >> And like you're like oh dude I just. thought you were a normal [ __ ] guy. Like there's this guy in Vegas that he. was shooting with. Normal [ __ ] guy.

You go look at his Instagram. It's just. him and his wife and his kids. Like. normal guy, dude. And you're just so you. kind of get you get you get shown the. the very small minority of SAS that act. like dildos, but like the vast majority. of them, bro. They're like I mean. they're like you, you know? But uh yeah. No. [ __ ] hey, dude. There's a great. saying, >> the loudest [ __ ] in the room is. always the biggest [ __ ] bag. >> You ever heard that one? [laughter].

>> I got to shut the [ __ ] up. >> I'll tell you a funny story, dude. So, my buddy owns a gun store and it's a. sale team guy or Delta guy. I don't know. that. I'm sure you could just Google. it'll pop up. He owns a gun store and. I'm just like walking around like, you. know, hey, what's up? And I go in the. back office and he's having like a. meeting. There's this guy in a suit like. goatee and this guy [ __ ] looks at me, right? And I don't know if it's like. just like [ __ ] up, recognize it's. [ __ ] up, but he looked at me in a way. that like.

like you want to kill me. He didn't say. anything. He just looked at me in a way. that made my like little [ __ ] lizard. brain just fire that like there's. something wrong with that [ __ ] guy. So me being a [ __ ] the moment I. feel that, I start like. I want to see like I want to [ __ ]. see. So, I start like poking you and. pressing buttons and my So, I'm like, "Hey, dude." Like, "Dude, you're looking. at me weird, man. You're some kind of. [ __ ] hit, man. Like, what the [ __ ]. What kind of PTSD do you got?". [laughter]. He just kind of laughs.

>> That's a hell of an approach. >> And he just kind of like laughs. I. didn't know he's a veteran. He just. laughs and smirks and like it made me. even double down because he didn't even. say anything. I'm like, "All right, dude. Well, have a good one, dog." And. my buddy calls me that that owned the. gun store. He's like, "Dude, the guy you. were talking to, he just got uh let go. of like a like a [ __ ] Middle Eastern. prison. Like he's ex special forces and. he like he got arrested on like a a. coup." Like he was trying to assassinate. a public figure. He's like, "You're just. standing there talking [ __ ] calling him. a hitman." I'm like, "Oh yeah, [laughter] thank God we're in America.".

But yeah, no, but like you know, there's. a different class of like SEALs and. operators that you don't even know. Like. I the most respect I got for these guys. was I did this uh charity thing. Um it. was like a Green Bray. You go and like. you know you just go shoot. Now I shot a. lot of Green Brays. Maybe guys practice. a little bit more. It was a competition. But they invited me to go and I was like. man I don't like I don't really have. much connection to the military you know. like I I like I like the military. I. respect them but I don't really know.

much about like I don't have a. connection. I don't have family in the. military. Like, but I'll go. getting to know these guys, man. Like, life-changing. [clears throat]. Life-changing. Like, you you meet these. guys and they're just going away. They. they leave their family for like, you. know, months at a time in some [ __ ] up. part of the world. And they don't do it. like they'll never be famous. They'll. never be really be rich. And they're. just doing it because they're just doing. it because they [ __ ] they they love. the respect of their like the brothers.

meeting these guys though, you're like, "Man, you guys are real men." Like, you. guys are like the last men on this. planet. >> Yeah. >> You you you're quiet. You shut the [ __ ]. up. You You go and you pursue this. ridiculously hard path that nobody could. do. You don't do it for likes. You don't. do it for fame. Like, you just do it for. the respect of your peers. Like, to me, like the the Green Brays, the operators, they're one of the last men and like. baskings of masculinity on this planet. [snorts]. >> I don't disagree with you. masculinity.

is just disappearing. You know, >> it was it was a trip to me because I. couldn't I couldn't like fathom that. Like I was talking to a like a guy that. wanted to go Delta and he was telling me. some of the things he had to do and like. like the the selection process and I was. like, [clears throat] man, I just. couldn't fathom doing that and breaking. your body and all this [ __ ] and you'll. make I don't know how much Delta guys. make. I mean, what does a [ __ ] Delta. guy make? >> I don't know. It's been a long time. since I've been. >> just say 200,000 300,000 like.

>> I would not even say that. I would say I. mean when I was in as a low a low-level. enlisted seal it was 65 grand maybe. >> That's what I'm saying, dude. And like. then these guys like they're pursuing. this like this uh animity like they. they'll never be famous. They'll never. be known. >> It's like they're going to go be in. [ __ ] up parts of the world doing. [ __ ] up things. I'm like, you're just. going to die. Like I me as like a white. trash kid that wanted to be a fighter. I.

just couldn't imagine dedicating your. life to something and getting really no. payoff besides like the respect and. dignity of like your peer group and like. your your own image. So like you meet. these guys like man that's just I can't. even [ __ ] wrap my head around that. kind of like sacrifice. and your reward. Well, it's not even uh. I mean it's I agree with you, but you. know, nobody goes into it well, I don't. know about now, you know what I mean, with with all the social platforms and. [ __ ] but nobody goes into it for that.

You know what I mean? They go into it. because you're drawn to you're you're I. mean, not unlike yourself, you're drawn. to this to this you're drawn to the. sport of it. >> How old were you when you enlisted? >> I was 17. >> And now you went straight toss or were. you like. >> Yeah, I went straight to SEALs. I was in. Buds by 18 and then I was at a team by. 20 20 years old and. >> I know there's like different degrees of. Seal Team, right? Like Seal Team Six is. like the like the the top dog at the top.

>> the tier one element. Yeah. >> Were you tier one or. >> No. >> How hard is it to get tier one? Like. what do you. >> I mean it's [ __ ] tough, man. He. talked to a lot of these guys. I mean a. lot of my friends went tier one and you. know they say it was just as tough as. going through buds. tougher than going. through buds, >> but different, you know, and and. different as in. >> I don't know. I think you really I mean, I can't I didn't do it. So, >> but you can't you can't uh. you want it so [ __ ] bad, you know.

what I mean? And it's it's. >> I mean, look, it's probably similar to. being in the ring. If you lose, it could. be humiliating, you know, in front of. all those people. >> You have to go back and tell look look. at your wife in the eye and be like, "Yeah, I [ __ ] I quit." Yep. And if. you try out for a tier one unit and you. don't make it, all your buddies that. you're there with that you've served. with in prior units, they all see it. You know what I mean? And it it can be. humiliating. >> Yeah. >> And then you go home and then you try. again. You know what I mean? And.

sometimes a lot of times guys will make. it the second time around. But. >> I feel like the hardest thing would be. the marches. Like I was talking to one. of the delta the guys that want to be. Delta and he was telling me like the. length of marches they have to do. And. I'm like [ __ ] dude, you want me to go. like lock me in a cold? Well, I'm going. to go sit in the ocean for [ __ ] 24. hours and I could do that. You want to. go carry a boat? I could do that. But. the moment you said, "Hey, go walk for. 100 miles with a [ __ ] 50 70 lb pack. on your back." Like, >> the hardest The hardest thing about. being in those units, dude, is is.

earning your right to be there every. single [ __ ] day. Every single day. Like, you're being judged. You It's a. competition and they'll kick you out, you know, if if you don't measure up. And so you'll literally have nightmares. of [ __ ] it up in the kill house or. losing a weapon or or you'll have. nightmares of not rising to the occasion. when it counts. You know what I mean? When it counts to take the shot and.

>> and then you wake up and you're like, "Shit, did that happen?". >> Out of all the same thing with fighting. You wake up, you're like, "Oh shit.". Like I had a dream where I woke up and I. was like, "Oh [ __ ] I guess I'm middle. champ right now. It's weird." But like, you know, same thing with fighting, bro. You're always like, you're always. pressure. It's pressure. What What's the. hardest thing about training when you're. going through like the thing you're. like, I hate this the most. Like, I. [ __ ] this is the most miserable. [ __ ] thing to me. >> I mean, for me, it was probably being in. the ocean being I don't know. It's a. lot. It's it's the I got to the point.

where when the h I would like stop I. could mentally stop myself from. shivering so that I could get the. hypothermia to kick in quicker and. because once that kicks in your mind. kind of goes numb. You know what I mean? And so did you don't really give a [ __ ]. anymore. You're like oh good. It's here. It's it's [laughter] here. >> I bet you don't [ __ ] with cold water. No. cool plun. >> I don't do cold plun [ __ ] And uh I. probably should but I don't. And then. and then the other part that you don't. hear about is the chafing. So like I.

don't know if they still do this, but. they you know you'll go on a four mile. run or a 12 mile run or whatever and. you'll get out of the water and you'll. still have your wets suit on and they'll. be like I mean this is the [ __ ] you. don't see on TV. They'll say, "All. right, everybody take a handful of sand. Put it under your armpits. Put it down. your junk. Put a handful of sand down. your ass crack.". >> All right, gents, ladies. We're going on. a 12mi run and dude, your junk is. rubbed.

Like, you could take whatever STD you, you know, you can think of and this [ __ ]. is [snorts] there's no skin on it, dude. There's no skin on your sack. There's no. skin under your arms. There's no skin in. your ass crack. >> Do you think it's Do you think the. training is just as hard now as when you. were in harder or same? >> I don't know. I don't know. you know, I. think I think it's changed a lot, but. from what I from what I understand, and. I don't really keep in contact much with.

the community at all. Um, the. the end product is just as capable. >> Yeah. >> You know, and there a lot of shit's. changed, you know, since I think it. should evolve, you know what I mean? I. don't think I think that Look, there was. a lot of broke dicks when I was in. because they overdid. >> Yeah. I think maybe that. But like when. you look at the military of a whole like. I kind of wish we' regressed a little. bit. It' be a little bit tougher. Like. you look at some of these [ __ ] like. like I don't even know how they do it. There'll be like a drill sergeant with a. [ __ ] iPhone recording like some two.

[ __ ] liberals like limp dick women. fighting. Like bro like what are you. doing? Like how the [ __ ] do you have an. iPhone recording like like shouldn't you. be like teaching these [ __ ] people, smacking them, making them run? Have you. seen those these days where it's like. how do you [ __ ] even do and then you. post it? Like there's no like chain of. command that says, "Hey, don't film your. recruits being like [ __ ] pussies.". Yeah. I don't know, man. The military. standard is [ __ ] weird. I actually. wanted to join the military when I was a. kid. >> Really? >> No, I did. So, like, [clears throat].

fighting suck, dude. Like, um I mean, you're so poor. Like, when you're a. fighter, you're so [ __ ] poor. Like, you're like, Even when the UFC, dude, the UFC guys, they're signing guys at. like. they're signing guys like 10 and 10. This and this. >> What does that mean? 10 and 10. So like. 10 to show, 10 to win. So you get 20. >> 20 grand for a fight. >> 20 grand. So then you pay off your. manager, you pay off, you know, you pay. taxes. Like dude, you're if you lose, you be making like eight, seven grand. >> So. >> [ __ ].

>> And now you go and get [ __ ] say go. get injured, you get locked out. Like. the UFC is [ __ ] brutal. Like the UFC. is so [ __ ] predatory. This is why you. see a lot of foreigners excel cuz you. know guys in Brazil that live in the. [ __ ] FLLA, like dude, 10 grand to. them, bro, that's [ __ ] lifechanging. I have buddies that go and like live in. like, you know, Dagistan or like Brazil. and they go back and they live like a. [ __ ] king. Like, bro, you can't even. pay rent for a couple months here. So, like the UFC, bro, it's like it's so. [ __ ] priatory to pay. Like, I'm. happy. I make good money, but like the. only very top guys are making money.

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you take a short notice fight. The UFC. calls you and they say, "Hey, you want. to take a fight on like fiveday notice. They will give you like, you know, maybe. a 30, 40, 50 grand pay bump." But yeah, the UFC loves that [ __ ] They love short. notice fights give you the biggest pay. bumps. And there's uh there's a manager. named Sean Shelby. Everybody hates. dealing with him. I mean, I'm friends. with him, but like he [clears throat]. was my manager at Walterweight. Oh, dude, he was such a [ __ ] [ __ ] And I. and I say this as a friend, Sean. You. know, like you're a nice guy, but like. everybody [ __ ] hates you. Like it.

gets it's so bad in the UFC whenever. someone's like, "Oh yeah, what weight. class you in?" And like, "Oh yeah, I'm. in this division." Like, "Oh, dude, you. got Sean Shelby, man. I'm sorry. I'm. [ __ ] sorry, dude. This guy's so. [ __ ] brutal." Like you could have a. boring fight or something and this. [ __ ] will binge you for like. eight months. Or like you say, "Hey. Sean, like I want to fight." And he'll. call you with like two weeks out from a. fight like, "Hey, we got a fight for. you." Like dude, two weeks out, you. can't give me a little bit more [ __ ]. notice. And if you say no, he'll [ __ ]. bench your ass. Yeah, dude. The UFC is. [ __ ] brutal. Like I want them.

>> That's crazy. >> But this is why I like the UFC. It's. like it attracts, you know, [ __ ]. degenerates. like 10 and 10 for a lot of. guys and like where they come from. that's still a lot of [ __ ] money. >> But yes, I would tell anybody don't join. the UFC. And then to be like to get in. the UFC, you're [clears throat] uh dude, the road's rough. Like it's way easier. now than it was when I was a kid. Now. it's like you go get a couple good. fights, go get on the contenders and get. in. They'll they'll sign you for 10 and. 10, nine to nine. But the road being a.

UFC fighter is rough. Like you just like. you're making no money. I think I was. making like $1,000 to fight. >> $1,000 to How do you live? I mean, do. you have a second job? >> No, I was uh Dude, I was sleeping in the. gym. I had this coach uh John Munoz. We. had a falling out, but like he would let. me sleep in the gym. Like, he let me. sleep in the gym. Um. jack shacked up with a girl once. She. let me sleep at her house for a while. That was nice. Got me out of me out of. [clears throat] the gym and thank you. [laughter].

That was nice. But. >> [clears throat]. >> uh No. So, like. as much as I hate the UFC and I. [clears throat] and I and I knock on. them, they give people opportunity that. you never have. Like, I've never had. opportunity. But like going back to the. military, I'm like, I'm just [ __ ]. poor. My life [ __ ] sucks. Like, I. have no dignity. I'm 17, you know, 18, riding a bike to the gym, sleeping on. match. Like, man, I [ __ ] hate myself. Like, I'm a [ __ ] loser, you know? Like, I'm a [ __ ] piece of [ __ ].

right? cuz like I have no high school. I. don't have a high school diploma. I'm. chasing this. I'm seeing my friends with. cars. I'm like, you know, I'm seeing my. friends elevate their life. And here I. am just a [ __ ] loser sleeping in the. gym. So, I was like, you know what, man? Like, I hate this. I don't have a high. school diploma. So, I walked in like all. the recruiters like, you know, and the. army was the only one that's like, "Hey, they had a um I don't know if they still. do it, but they had a. a waiver that if you had 15 college. credits, which isn't hard to get, 15.

credits, apparently. There's only like a. few classes. So, if you have 15 college. credits, they'll wave your uh you don't. need a GED." I don't know what it was. called, but that was a program at the. time. So, I'm like, "Sweet. I'm going to. go join the army. I care what I do. Just. I want a place to live. I want to have a. car and I want to like I want to look. myself in the mirror and not be like. you're a piece of [ __ ] anymore. So. [clears throat]. I go and I sign up uh I go and I sign up. for like the local community college. [ __ ] bomb the place, man. Like man,

bomb the place. I look back, my dude, you're a [ __ ] idiot, man. Cuz I never. went to school. Like I like my if you. had to talk about all my years I went to. school probably like like kindergarten. first second. uh ninth I probably only been to school. for like four years of my life. >> Are you serious? >> Yeah about four years. >> Holy [ __ ] dude. >> Yeah. So like um yeah four years of my I. think about that like [ __ ] man. I real. questionable real questionable. So Kla. Harris, she actually really [ __ ] us on.

this one. Uh in kinderg like so Kla Harris did. this thing if you were truent made your. parents like your parents go to jail. So. you know growing up like dude it was a. [ __ ] nightmare in my house. Like my. dad would get home at 4:00 start [ __ ]. drinking and then like we'd be up until. like 2:00 in the morning just [ __ ]. [ __ ] World War II, you know? Like I. remember like my mom used to like sit in. the kitchen and and I would like sit. between her legs and just like my dad. like you're a [ __ ] [ __ ] You're. [ __ ] your boss. And I'm just like a.

little kid holding her legs. >> How old are you? >> Oh [ __ ] man. This is like my but like. maybe like kindergarten. Like I mean. this is like my earliest memories. I. don't I don't really have a lot of good. memories as a kid. Like it's even like. pictures like my girl will go and like. she like frame my you know cuz I've worn. the belt twice. So she'll go and frame. my gloves. I'm like babe I just hate it. I can't I can't look back at it. Anytime. I look at like a picture of myself in. like the past, I [ __ ] hate it. Like I. think it just like just from like so. like traumatized as a kid, you know, with who I might who I was, I can't look.

at myself and be like, "Oh yeah, there's. Sean Strickland. I can't say it." But. but so my girl was funny. She'll make me. all this [ __ ] She'll just load it up in. the like I have like a whole closet full. of like all these cool [ __ ] I can't look. at. But um so anyways um [clears throat]. that happened where I'd be up until like. 2 three in the morning and then it gave. me like severe social anxiety to where. like I'd go to school and. you know I I was just [ __ ] up. Like I.

like I mean I I just I'd hide under the. bed not want to go to school. Like so. eventually I would go to school and I'd. be up all night long because my mom. would be like in World War II. Like I'd. be up till 2:30 in the morning watching. my mom. And this is like every [ __ ]. night. Every night my dad would. >> What would be going on? >> So my dad would get home at like 4:00. and just start drinking and then by like. and then by uh. by like uh [ __ ] dude by. by uh I don't know like 9:00 dude just.

war [ __ ] war. Every now and then he. would yell at you and like get your ass. upstairs like you know cuz I would like. try to protect my mom like go upstairs. So you'd go you'd go upstairs and like. you're just sitting there like you know. [ __ ] crying your brains out listening. to your mom like I hope my mom doesn't. die tonight. I hope my mom doesn't die. tonight. Actually I remember one time. like. >> you say you hope your mom doesn't die. >> Yeah. Like you know cuz you're just like. you're laying in bed like hearing your. dad like I'll [ __ ] kill you. Like I. mean I remember my dad like I mean. earliest remembrance dude like earliest.

memories telling my dad that like if you. cheat on me again I'll cut you and burn. you and put your body in acid and bury. you in the backyard. It's like all night. long you're just like you're hearing. this [ __ ] right? So like it's just. Anyways, so I remember um people asking. if I'm religious, you know? You. religious, man? >> I am. >> So I remember like laying in bed once. and like you know being a kid crying. like crying. I know pillow sheets, right? I know like I know sheets on my. [ __ ] bed and [laughter] like I know. like pillow sheets like when you have. like a when you have like a a dirty.

nasty brown [ __ ] up pillow that uh. with no with no [ __ ] case on it. It's. like waxy. So I remember just like. crying my [ __ ] eyes out when I was in. this pillow and I'm like dude there's no. god. Like right like if there's a god. like how the [ __ ] like how the [ __ ] is. there a god? And these are my earliest. memories. Like why would God do this to. me? Do you ever think about that still? >> Yeah. And then like I remember like. wanting to die before I knew what it.

was. Now with kids are so like suicide's. a thing. But like when you're a little. kid, you don't know what suicide is, but. I remember laying in bed like man I just. like why am I here? Like I want this to. like gone, you know? So like um yeah. So. laying [snorts] in bed all night long. just not sleeping. So I'd go to school. and I would just sleep all day long. just, you know, lay on my desk and just. sleep all through school. So, kindergarten happened and. [clears throat] then I don't know if my. mom was working at the time, but then.

first grade happened and then she. started working. So, now I had to go and. like I'm up all night long and I have to. get myself up. I have to get myself up. and then walk to school. So, you're. telling me like first grade I I did it. I walked to school. I showed up like. late every day. I remember like when 911. happened like I was [ __ ] sleeping. It. was on the West Coast like it happened. at like you know what time it happened. 10:00 a.m. I was [ __ ] sleeping. I. remember I walked into like out my third. grade class like everyone's like.

watching like hey what's up guys? I just. just waking up you know like what's. going on. So uh uh yeah. So, I just. would sleep all day long and then once I. hit like third, third, fourth grade, I. started ditching and I was like, "Dude, I don't have to go to school anymore. Like, what the fuck?" I just I'd walk to. school like, "I'm not going to go.". Like, I'm not going to go. So, I just. not [ __ ] go. It's funny. I had this. one teacher and uh. it makes me laugh, dude, cuz like I had. this one teacher that took my desk from.

me cuz she got so mad I was sleeping. So, like she literally was like, "Sean, you can't stop sleeping in class. I'm. taking your desk from me to make you. stand." So I'm just like I'm like mind. you I'm a [ __ ] hoodlm as a kid. I'm. like [ __ ] you [ __ ] I'll just sleep on. the [ __ ] floor. So I literally just. like slept on the floor and like she. took my desk. Everybody else had a desk. I'm just in the back of the classroom. just sleeping on the floor. And mind you. she doesn't know I'm sleeping because. I'm like I'm in a [ __ ] warrior at my. house, right? So it's like it's just. kind of funny how like society just, you. know, never Hey Sean, why why can't you.

stay awake in class? Well. >> [ __ ] man. So, and then going into. fourth grade, they did this um. they did this. Kla Harris did this thing that if kids. were chewing in school, they'd prosecute. they'd prosecute the parents. So, um I started ditching like I want to. go to school. So, my mom had a choice. like either she's going to get charged. or homeschool me. So, now I'm. homeschooled from fourth grade, fifth,

sixth. I went back in middle school, but now. mind you, I went back in middle school. and I'm [ __ ] up, right? Like I've I've. only been I've only been socialized like. I was like [ __ ] mo dude. I like I. have [ __ ] friends. >> So I was like socialized from. you know kind of socialized for two. years. >> So socialized. >> and dude and mind you at my house. >> just humiliated. >> Oh yeah, mind you, dude. Like and I mean. I was watching [ __ ] porn when I was. like in [ __ ] second grade, you know? Like like we had like a like literally a.

porn box and my [ __ ] that like my. brother would watch my my sister's. funny, dude. My dad, you know, like back. in the day, you kids don't know this. [ __ ] but they had like the TV with the. the built-in VCR. So my dad would always. take my sister's VCR and she had to be. like she's probably like six years older. than me, so she's like middle school and. be like, "Oh, dad, you left your [ __ ]. porn in the VCR." As she's like watching. goes to watch a [ __ ] Disney movie and. there's like some [ __ ] dumb porn. tape. So like we were just around that.

Like it was just normal mag. We were. just around that [ __ ] you know? It was. like very like just Yeah, there's a porn. box. Oh, dad left the [ __ ] porn in. the VCR. Like you know, so. [clears throat]. I'm just painting this picture of like. me being this unsocialized like just not. socialized. And then um my grandfather. was like kind of like my hero, which is. like military [clears throat] guy or. exmilary. He might only did a few years. if he I if he like probably got kicked. out,

but to paint a picture of my. grandfather, he's like this 67 big white. guy south like the most racist. [ __ ] you will ever meet, you. know, like cleaning a [ __ ] gun on the. [ __ ] porch, dude. Like I don't want. to drop the hard ER, but on the [ __ ]. you know, oh, get these [ __ ] off my. off my lawn, you know? I mean, that was. him. That was him. So me being this like. piece of [ __ ] bullied kid by like. everybody, my brother, my sisters, like. I was the youngest, the youngest in this.

like brutal [ __ ] food chain. So I. just got like I got the worst of it. So. like me, I had this big [ __ ] big. white strong man who had guns and like I. was like, man, this is like he's the. only male role model in my life. And all. he would talk about racist, racist, racist, [ __ ] blacks, [ __ ]. Mexicans, racist, racist, racist. So it. just like I assumed that identity like. there's this movie American History X. >> Oh yeah, I know it. >> I mean that was that was like who I. wanted to be. Red laces, swastika. Like.

that was like man that's like that's who. I want to be. Like that's the kind of. guy I want to [ __ ] be. >> So. seventh grade comes around and um. you know I just I'm full on [ __ ] eat. the pudding, you know. I'm like a super. just [sighs]. real [ __ ] racist, you know. Yeah. Like so I'll give you an example. One of. actually my good friends um. this was uh my my seventh grade. This. was uh now now he's actually a good.

friend of my my my boy Josh. But his sister used to sit behind me in. class and I think I said something like. hey you know like leave me the [ __ ]. alone. We do basketball you know like. leave me the [ __ ] alone. So he goes and. like tells like her big old black. brother Josh seventh grade. I'm like, how old are you in seventh grade? >> What? 12 maybe? >> Yeah, like 12, right? So, I'm at lunch. and this guy comes up to me and he goes, "Hey, man. Like, you said some racist.

[ __ ] to my my sister." And I look at. him, I say, "Hey, you [ __ ] you know, hard er like why don't I go give you a. [ __ ] rope and you could go [ __ ]. hang yourself in a tree?" Like, I'm like. 11, 12 years old saying [ __ ] like this. So, I mean, I just I'm using this to. paint a picture. Later in life, we. actually became like, you know, as I. started training, he started training. and I kind of grew out of it. We became. like really close friends and you know, I mean, like, hey, sorry, man. So, that happens. And then I got kicked. out of school in middle school for a.

hate crime. I don't know what I [ __ ]. did. I probably like was just spouting. off some [ __ ] They put me in a. a class where they isolate you. They. they put you in a you go in at 11:00, you go in at like 10:00 a.m. and they. let you out at 1:00 a.m. And they do it. to keep you away from them. So I was in. that for a while and [clears throat]. then I went and then I told my mom like, "I can't do this." So she homeschooled. me cuz I was ditching again cuz Kamla. So I was ditching. Now I'm homeschooled. again for 8th grade.

>> Real quick, is anybody at the school is. anybody outside of your family asking. you what the hell is going on in the. home life? >> No. No, man. No. >> They're just disciplining. >> No. My my sister's a school psychologist. and like you really like what do you do? You know, you can't like you can inv you. can involve yourself as much as you can, but what are you going to do? You can't. really change anybody's lives. Yeah. So. now I'm back in school in ninth grade. and I'm loving I love football. I I love. football like you know I [ __ ].

football is like my my dream. I love it. It's the only time I could [ __ ] hit. somebody. But I couldn't keep a GPA. I've only. done like I mean I could probably barely. read and write at this time, you know. So I couldn't keep a GPA. I couldn't. keep a [ __ ] 2.0 of my life dependent. on it. So then like I uh I got kicked. out of school or no then I I once. football was a thing dude I just gave no. [ __ ] I got kicked out of school again. for a hate crime. I think a Jewish kid. was running for class or office. I was.

like dude like I think I said like the. last thing we need is another [ __ ]. [ __ ] running for power. And mind you I'm. like I'm in [ __ ] I don't even know. what that means. Like I don't even know. what that [ __ ] means, dude. I'm in. ninth grade. I'm ninth grade. I don't. know what the [ __ ] that means, you know? But like something my grandpa say, so I. say it. So then I uh go to these like. just shitty gang school with all these. [ __ ] like which probably not help my. racism at all. Orange Grove. It's like a this a shitty. I mean there's guys like [ __ ] smoking. crack in the bathroom. Like mind you,

I'm like I'm like the only white kid. here. So I'm like getting [ __ ] up. I'm. fighting these little [ __ ] little. [ __ ] degenerates, you know? Like, like it's it's it's making me worse. And. this is like why institutions usually. make people worse where like people. like, "Oh, put them in jail. Lock them. up." Like, no, you're just making them. worse. Like, you're just [ __ ] making. them worse. So, [laughter] I tell my mom like, "I. can't be here." Like, I'm like the token. racist whitehead kid, you know? I'm. getting fights. So, I don't tell my mom. She just knows. So, she homeschools me.

again. What does homeschool look like? Just. >> [ __ ] nothing, dude. >> Just nothing. >> Just nothing, dude. I want, you know, so. she homeschools me. Yeah. Like nothing. She homeschools me again just cuz it's. like, you know, I go back and then like. finally like I go back to uh I go back. to school again at like 10th grade. I do. another [ __ ] hate crime. I get. [ __ ] kicked out. I think I got a. fight with a bunch of black guys. Like. jump me in the locker room and I got. [ __ ] cuz I was white. I was like, "What are you talking about?" They're. like, "Well, you said fucking." I was. like, "Well, I mean, what are you still.

got my ass kicked by like five black. guys? What are you talking about?" So, I. got kicked out again for a hate crime. And then uh and then I'm in like and I'm. in this shitty school. I transferred to. a a continuation school to get my. credits to, graduate. I'm like in I. don't know if I'm like sophomore, junior. I think I might have been going. to my junior year. And then I was like, "Oh, fuck." And then I So during all. this, I'm just really pissed off, angry. I start training now. I like my mom. brings me to a gym. I start training. I.

[ __ ] love it, dude. I love like. training to me was the only time in my. life I've ever been happy. [sighs] I. tell the story, but I remember walking a. gym. I'd be like [ __ ] 14 years old, 15 years old. And I just got the [ __ ]. kicked out of me. Like the the other. [ __ ] kicked out of me by like like 19, 20 year olds beat the [ __ ] out of me. Only time in my life I've ever been. happy. >> Really? >> Like the only time in my life I've ever. been happy was like leaving a [ __ ]. bloody nose. cuz I'm all [ __ ] up and. I'm like I love this. Like I I don't. know what this is, but I'm I'm happy.

So [sighs and gasps] during my uh. sophomore year, I think the sophomore, junior, senior, I I'm training now. I'm. I'm at this continuation school. I grow. my hair out super long and that's where. Tarzan came from because like I was so. like, you know, like. I wasn't racist, I was angry. And once I. started training, I really was like, man, I'm not racist. I'm just [ __ ]. pissed off and angry. I'm just super. [ __ ] angry. So, like going back to. like the shame I felt on myself. I.

wanted to get away from like Sean, the. the little kid and I wanted to like. recreate my identity. So, I grew my hair. out long. And um I mean they used to call me like. my nickname in training was hate. Like. Sean the Hate Strickland just cuz like. like everything in me was just hate. [ __ ] hate the color of the wall. [ __ ] hate you, hate this, hate him. Like everything with me was just like. the only thing I felt was just hate for. everything. So I grew my hair out really. [ __ ] long. I started training. Just. ate the pudding of training. Loved it.

Every day after training, I'd skip. school to go train. And I remember. talking to one of my teachers about like. graduating. I was like, "Fuck this." Like I want to. be a fighter. And I just like left. school. I was like, I never came back. and just went full-time fighting from. like from like 15 to to about I think 18. or 19. >> You started at 15. >> Yeah, I started around 15. So then I'm. about 18 19 years old going through like. fighting lower circuits. I got I turned.

as a professional fighter at 17. So I'm. like just going through the circuits. just fighting, taking fights. But I'm. like I'm making no money. I'm a piece of. [ __ ] dude. Like I'm a [ __ ] piece of. [ __ ] I hate myself. I I hate myself. even more now because now it's like now. I'm becoming a [ __ ] man and I have. like I'm even worse off. So um [clears throat]. >> why do you hate yourself? >> It's just like you have no money, dude. You have no self. I have no [ __ ] I have. no [ __ ] GED. I have no [ __ ] money. I'm riding a bike everywhere I go. My.

like like you know what I'm saying? I'm. just a [ __ ] loser. And mind you, I. had no social skills. So like there was. no like oh like everybody else is out. going to parties and getting laid and. like partying. I had no social skills. Like I didn't I didn't have that. I. remember one time something really stuck. with me. I mean I have a few things that. stuck with me like seventh grade my I. think my math teacher history teacher. Miss Wajes she looked at me and she's. like See See See See See See See See See. See they build prisons for people like. you. Absolutely right. 100%. Like after. I look back I'm like yeah you're. thousand% right. Like without fighting.

the best thing you could have done for. me is put me in a cage and said don't. come out. But you know through fighting I kind of. like found myself. But I had this uh. football coach, [ __ ] dick of a guy. All my all my buddies were like going. out to a movie or something and he I was. like, "Dude, what the [ __ ] You don't. invite me and my coach." 100% right. My. coach walks up to me. He's like, "Dude, why would they invite you? You're a. [ __ ] [ __ ] Like you're a [ __ ]. dick, dude. Nobody likes you." And me, like in hindsight, I'm like, "Yeah, you're 100% right." Like 100% right.

So like I have these like little moments. in my life that you just remember that. like an like an adult told me never a. kid like an adult somebody in authority. told me. I'm like yeah man like you. you're definitely on you're definitely. on to something. So I'm training now at. >> you had like you had nobody. you had nobody. >> Oh yeah. No I was like. >> that was a positive influence on you. Everybody just. >> Well no I did. So like I had um like all. my positive influences were like you. know my grandfather like the guys in. like I looked up to American history ex.

guys like just. >> I said positive influence. >> but no no positive no positive. >> like nobody to like really. >> the gyms help me because like there were. people that like that were like me that. um the gyms help because there are a lot. of people like and I fit in. I would go. and like the only positive influence I. got were from the gym. Like you'd go. fight people and like you know like you. you have like a brotherhood in the gym. It's I'm I'm sure it's probably very. similar to military just obviously. you're not [ __ ] killing people so.

it's probably not as strong but like you. know you're you're with these people. every day. You're fighting them. That. really changed my life training and. getting the anger out. Like it it if it. wasn't for fighting dude like I always. say like oh you be no I want to be a. serial killer. I [ __ ] would have just. murdered somebody on the street and been. locked up in the I would have been. institutionalized for the rest of my. life. Like it wouldn't have been like. there would be no romantic story behind. it. I would have just been pissed off, [ __ ] done a horrific act and then. institutionalized for the rest of my. life. I would have got out. I would have. done another horrific act and then I.

would just be institutionalized for the. rest of my life. That was like my path. if it wasn't for fighting, you know, just a long line of. institutionalization. But uh so now I'm like 18 years old. My. life [ __ ] sucks. I'm uh you know just no self-respect, no. [ __ ] dignity. And then I go. to a recruiter and I'm like, "Guys, like. my life sucks, dude. Like I just [ __ ]. it sucks. I just I'll do anything. I'll. [ __ ] I'll do anything. Just give me a. uniform. Give me a place. Like let me.

look in the mirror and be like, "Dude, you're a you're not a loser." Like, you. know? And I think that's a lot of like. I'm sure a lot of people want that. Like. they want the uniform. They want the. respect of it just to like you know, you're not that guy anymore. You're that. guy. you're the you're the [ __ ] you. know, the guy on the wall. So, I go I. sign up for college to go get my 15. credits. Bomb the placement. So, I. probably had to even do more than I. needed to. The day before college. started, I go to like a high school. party just cuz like I'm like I'm like I. don't know if I I know cuz like it was.

like the in between to where like high. school kids right out of high school, they went there. So, it's like the in. between. [snorts]. And uh I was bored. I was just [ __ ]. bored. And I was like, you know, I'm not. getting no [ __ ] I'm just I don't. drink, by the way. And there's these two. kids. And I was like, I just want to. [ __ ] somebody up. Like the only thing. that's going to make this night better. if I could just [ __ ] somebody up. So my buddy like goes and you know, like. I'm like, mind you, I'm a predator. Like, right, I'm a [ __ ] predator. Like even like I'm not just like some.

like, you know, [ __ ] up kid that like, oh yeah, poor Sean like, you know, he. just he had a rough patch. At this point. in my life, I am a predator. Like. everything to me is like I'm looking for. my I'm looking for my kind of fun and my. kind of fun is usually like to to I. always say like my kind of fun is like. to you know violate the rights of others. like that's my kind of fun. >> dominance. >> Yeah. Yeah. So I mean like it comes down. to like I think they call it conduct. disorder and then it goes to antisocial. personality disorder and like you have.

to have like and I have every single one. of them. Like you have to have like one. of like 10 traits. I have literally. every single [ __ ] one of them. every. single [ __ ] one of them. So, um I'm. at this party. I see two victims. You. know, they like they'll they'll fit the. bill tonight. They'll give me something. to do. And I'm mind you, I'm stone cold. [ __ ] sober. So, my buddy my buddy. starts like hitting on one of their. chicks. And then one guy like comes over. and I and I get between not give a [ __ ]. I just like, you know, give me my. opportunity. I want my fun. I want to.

have fun. So he uh he pretty much like reaches out. like to grab my shirt and I just [ __ ]. drill him in the face. Boom. And which. is fine. I've hit so many [ __ ] people. before like you know you just hit hit a. guy. Brother gets out of the car comes. run at me. [ __ ] boom drill him in the. face. That was fun. So I go home. Next. thing I know I get a [ __ ] warrant for. my arrest. So cops like call me or. didn't they call my brother and my. brother tells me, "Oh dude, they're. looking for you." So I go meet up with. the cops. and I wasn't like a hard-end criminal. I.

was just a [ __ ] up kid that liked to. hurt people and it just it was a high. school party got in a fight. The first. guy hit, dude, I just [ __ ] destroyed. his face. Can't do it in a fight, but I. hit a [ __ ] loser when I'm a kid and. I'm [ __ ] I mean, like [ __ ] broke. broke his nose, broke his jaw, knocked. out all his [ __ ] front teeth. He had. to go get like multiple reconstructive. surgeries. The second guy hit, just. broke his nose, had to go get surgery. And uh I got arrested. Now I'm sitting. in So I got arrested. The guy showed me.

the picture. He's like, "Hey, I don't. want to take you to jail, dude. I know. it's just a high school fight, but it's. like they're [ __ ] up." So I like I I. have to take you to jail. So I'm sitting. I'm sitting in [ __ ] county now with. all these [ __ ] white supremacist skin. heads. And it's a funny story. So I'm. walking past I'm I'm a kid. I post my m. I'm a kid, bro. I look at that picture. I'm like, "Fuck." Like you're like. you're like a dorky ass little kid. Professional fighter at the time, but I. still a [ __ ] kid. So, I'm walking. past like the the black sale and they. segregate in Riverside County, dude. You.

have like dude, it's like you have like. 10 15 big old [ __ ] black guys hanging. on the cell like just like talking [ __ ]. as you walk by and I'm like, "Oh, fuck.". So, I get to my the segregation cell and. all these white guys come up to you and. I was only in for like a day and a half. I wasn't in very long. So, they get to. uh the white cell and I remember them. like telling me like, "Hey, Sean, like. they go they make your bed. They show. you what like because like when you get. arrested they give you this little. wooden they get a little box and they.

give you the lowdown like hey you can't. shower the black guy you can't [ __ ]. [ __ ] what we eat like and they give you. the lowdown. at the very end of it I was like you. know guys I'm not really like I'm not. really racist so it's like how does that. work and they're like well here's the. thing Sean you're either with us or. you're not and I remember walking past. that [ __ ] that cell with all the. black guys talking [ __ ] to me and I was. like I'm in brother like. I'm in, dude. I'm in this part. I'm in. the club, dude. When do I get my tattoo? Let's get a swastika. [snorts] So, uh,

just shows you like institutionalized, right? You you But I remember the thing. like, >> you don't have a choice. >> Yeah. But I remember the thing though. when I was in there, how much I admired. these people. Mind you, these guys are. [ __ ] shits. One guy in there was for. attempted murder. Like, but like I. looked at these people like I mean, I'm. sure you would look at like a like a. Navy Seal or like a like a someone you. look at a hero. I looked at these. [ __ ] people like, man, you like like. I spider. I talked to them for a little. bit. I was like, you're who I want to.

be. Like, you're kind of who I want to. be. Like, I I admire this. >> What was it about them that you admired? [sighs]. >> Just like. >> community. >> Community. Uh, I mean, they were cool. They were. really nice to me, you know? They were. they were [ __ ] really cool to me, which is probably like something I. didn't get often, but yeah, I just. They just like just the tattoos are like. they're just [ __ ] [ __ ] bad. They're. savages. Like they would do like it just.

like. I don't know man. I always say like I. don't you did you have a pretty good. upbringing? >> I did. I had a pretty good upbringing. Great upbringing. So, whenever you go through like and I'm. sure you've you've experienced a lot of. like PTSD, but I don't I don't know how. like I don't know what PTSD feels like. as an adult, right? So, like I I never. like I don't know what it's like to be. normal and then watching your buddy's. head get blown. Like I don't know what.

that's like. I don't know what kind of. like what kind of that does to the. brain, you know? >> It does less to the brain than what. happened to you. Yeah, it's not some. people do to some people like I mean. I've I've met some people that like. after they went to like Iraq and like. they were like usually IDs. >> see those Sean but a lot of like. >> like I had an abnormal childhood for the. industry that I was in you know and a. lot of a lot of. >> but it probably helps you. You're. adjusted you're emotionally secure. [sighs]. >> You're an oddball. I mean, a lot of the.

guys that go in have a back, you know, their childhoods like you. And I I. didn't I didn't even [ __ ] know that, man. I mean, my best friend in the SEAL. teams was dropped off on a doorstep in a. in a car seat. >> Yeah. >> You know, like [ __ ] like that. And and. but or like what you're talking about. and I didn't even know this until I. started this. >> Yeah. And like you see all this stuff in. here like. a lot of these guys have been molested. as kids. They've been sexual abuse like.

very similar to your situation. >> Uh I have one guy in here Steve friend. of mine. >> I mean they they're putting like putting. cigarettes out. his dad. >> his his stepdad was putting cigarettes. out on his dick. >> and. and you go to like I did therapy for. like three and a half years after I left. CIA.

and. they kept going they kept going to. childhood. They kept going to my. childhood. There's just, you know, there's not there's nothing there. Like. I had a great childhood, you know, I. feel guilty about it after. >> No, that but that's good though because. it makes you like more emotionally. secure like like my my wife great. childhood is perfect as you get. And. that's the only reason why we're. together cuz every time I'm with a woman. like me, it's like we're two [ __ ] up. people together. But my wife is like so. together that she could like Now mind.

you, I like I don't I'm not me. Like, you know, usually if you have a wife, guys, you got to really learn how to. just like repress everything. Just [ __ ]. don't be yourself. Just [ __ ] be. completely different. Go hang out with. your boys. But yeah, I always wonder. though, like like um cuz I met some. soldiers or like my buddies that were. like usually the IEDs will get them like. if they had a friend die in like Iraq or. Afghanistan with ID. Those guys are. usually ones that [ __ ] up. They feel. like survivors guilt. >> Mhm. I mean, it's I'm not I'm not. diminishing it. I'm just saying that.

when you go through it, you know, when. you start to unpack everything, it all. starts with with the childhood trauma. stuff, man. >> Well, I mean, didn't it uh what. >> that forms who you become and that that. forms everything, you know? >> Well, Mattis didn't Mattis say. something. Somebody asked him about. PTSD. He's like, some people get it or. they don't. It's like if you if you're. prone to it, you're going to get it. I I. don't know the quote, but he said some. quote about PTSD. >> Who said that? General Mattis about like. he's like it's either you get it like.

some people get it, some people don't. >> Everybody gets it, dude. That dude's. full of [ __ ] if he's saying that. Everybody [ __ ] deals with. >> Well, I think it's the toughest. [ __ ]. >> But I think it's the ones that like bury. themselves in the bottle, you know? It's. like there's some guys that like bury. themselves in the bottle. >> That's everybody. He's an officer. He's. a general. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah. I guess he doesn't really [ __ ]. know, right? He's just a guy. He's the. one that says he orders. I don't know his whole background, but. he's a [ __ ] four-star general, you. know what I mean? So, I mean, he's.

pretty far removed, >> but I know some guys driving it. Like, I. know some guys that are doing. contracting work, like even with like a. you know, I don't want I don't want to. get into any details, but like there's a. big current thing going on right now and. they're over there. >> Mhm. >> But, uh, they love it. They [ __ ]. >> You get addicted to it, man. I mean, just like you're you're talking about I. mean, that's that's where you excel at. fighting. You're going to parties and. and you get addicted to [ __ ] whooping. people's ass, right? You get. >> like, "Dude, I [ __ ] I stabbed a guy. Here's a knife, dude. I I [ __ ] killed. here." Like,

>> you get you get you get you get addicted. to it. You get addicted to the. adrenaline. You get addicted to the. killing. Some guys have killed so many. people that I mean, it it gets it gets. boring. It's like, oh, I've not killed. anybody with. a water bottle before. You know what I. mean? Let's see how that is. I'm going. to knife this guy in the neck. I'm going. to knife him in the crotch. I'm going. to, you know, try to rip his liver out. I'm going to hit him in the fmoral down. here. And it it becomes like, how many. different ways can I gut a dude?

>> Yeah. Well, he's telling me a story. about, you know, the place that we can't. talk. I don't want to get I don't really. know if I'm [ __ ] violating or I don't. want to get in trouble. He was like telling me that like they. had to go and refrain someone from just. smoking civilians where like he would. just like their contracting work and he. like he would just [ __ ] shoot you. just [ __ ] shoot people and like we. had to stop like like you can't just go. [ __ ] shoot people like you just can't. go like like some people man some people. are just like they're just. but you know what it is you're religious.

I'm not but it's like. >> I wasn't. >> but like I I can I could use like. metaphor like like theology like. you all everybody starts off with like a. soul like a really good like like soul, right? And every time you do a bad deed. you like you kind of erode that part of. you. like every and every time you push the. envelope of something horrible to do you. kind of like you erode that and you kind.

of like you kind of take it away from. you. So, I think with people with PTSD, especially like with like when you have. um a victim mentality, I would actively. try to erode my my goodness, right? Cuz. like being good never got me anything. Being good got me like I was [ __ ] up. I was a victim. Like that was like I was. sad. I was [ __ ] scared. I would cry. Like being good. That good little soul. that you have that you're born with. And. I'm not religious, but like I I picture.

be like, you know, like a little glowing. [ __ ] ball inside you. that good. little soul that you have when you're a. kid. It's so innocent. It's so innocent. And then as life and adults and the. cigarettes and like as as you become an. adult and like these [ __ ] up people. like they just touch your soul a little. bit and they just they make you feel. like such a victim that like you want to. talk about like the antisocial. degenerates like the the conduct. disorder. you start realizing that like it's bad.

Like this good little this good thing. you have in you that like you care about. women, you care about like the victim, like it doesn't get you anywhere. It. just like it only make it only puts you. in a bad place. So like you start. growing up and you just start like. carving away and just just chipping away. at it. Like I don't want this anymore. It's it's not good. Like I don't want to. be sad. I don't want to be a [ __ ]. victim. Like I don't I don't want this. anymore. Take it out of me. I take it. take it the [ __ ] out of me. So you start. like doing things to just. >> like scar yourself like whether it be.

like you commit a hate crime or like you. violate the rights of others or like you. kill a [ __ ] animal. You just start. doing these and like it starts after a. while like it feels good and then you. start pushing the envelope of like well. I want to know what this like you said. with a bottle. I want to kill somebody. with a bottle. Like you start pushing. the envelope of like what bad deed can I. do to like start making me feel. something? And [snorts] after a while, you're just like, you're just so [ __ ]. numb. You're just like, I could do. anything. I could [ __ ] I could kill. anybody. I could [ __ ] I could do.

anything right now, and I could sleep. like a baby tonight. But that's what you. want, right? That's what your body, that. is what your mind is telling you to do. Like you, you got to be a hard man. Like. you're you're in a different world, dude. Like, like you got to be able to. do any horrible act and go to bed fine. And and it feels good after a while. You're like, "Oh, man. Dude, I'm like. whether you're sleeping with random. women, whether you're like violating the. rights of others, like after a while, you're good. I'm good. I feel fine. So,

I think that's like, you know, talking about like PTSD and. like you're talking about like what can. I kill a man with is a bottle. It. you just start chipping away at that. like little goodness inside you. And. once it's gone, dude, once it's gone, life [clears throat] is nice. It's It's. worse cuz you're miserable, right? You're [ __ ] miserable and like you. hate life, but it's like But it's a. misery you like. >> I wouldn't say it's nice. I mean, it. everything it all gets [ __ ] boring, you know? Like, >> but I had a great I had a great.

childhood, but. >> but it's boring, but no, it's boring now. because it's like you're Sean Ryan, the. podcast with the family. >> That's not what I'm talking about. I got. so [ __ ] up and I I hated I I I hated. being in this country cuz I c I couldn't. get as dark as I needed to be. And so I. packed up my [ __ ] and I moved to. Columbia, South America and I lived down. in Medigene for like 5 years. >> But the part of you misses that, right? >> No, >> you don't miss it at all. >> anymore. >> You got family? The kids?

>> Yeah, I got a family. I got kids. But e. down there, dude. I just felt empty. >> Yeah. I was like, "This is like what am. I?" I just felt empty. Like there was no. there was no good. Like no good. It was. Dude, I mean, yeah. Was it a good time. for a while? Yeah, it was a good time. for probably about 2 or 3 years and then. >> at some point you're just like, >> dude, and then it was like, how many. more like women am I gonna bring in. here?

>> Yeah. >> Like. shit's as weird as it can possibly get. now. Like. >> like everything you can imagine I've. done. Then I started like getting like I. got into Coke and I start I was like how. deep into this network can I infiltrate. >> and I started infiltrating cocaine. networks and figuring out how it works. and like [ __ ] slapping dudes around. down there hoping I would get killed. hoping like. >> like just. >> I would bring calculator down there cuz. if you know have you been down to South.

America at all? If you go down there as. a white boy, it's a sin for them not to. rip you off, >> you know. And so I would go to the co I. would go buy. >> I guess not tons of coke. I'm not like. >> now. Were you doing you just trying to. party? >> Both. >> Okay. >> No, no, no, no. Not work. It wasn't. work. It was. >> I mean it was it was like feeding Dude, it was feeding my adrenaline. Work was. Middle East. This was. >> Yeah. >> You know, this was totally different. But um but I I I would like pull up my.

iPhone calculator and like however many. grams or whatever I'm buying, I would. put it on my calculator and I would like. like let's say if let's say I'm buying I. don't know 100 grams. I would try to put. it on my calculator or 50 grams. I put. it on my calculator and. [gasps and sighs]. type in like four or five point D and. then I'd make it look like it was a. scale.

But uh and I'd slap him, you know, and. like hoping like I'd slap him hoping. like. >> you got to miss it a little bit. >> [ __ ] kill me. >> You got to miss it a little bit, right? >> Kill me. Let's get. >> You got to miss it. You got to miss that. a little bit. Like there was some parts. of you must. >> I don't dude. like it it just got like I. just you know every time I would go into. those areas I'd be like every moped. every motorcycle that would drip by me. I'd be like all right this is it they're. going to drill me in the back of the. head I know it they're going to drill me. in the back of the head a little bit.

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Well, I went down. I I mean it did. I was calling my I was calling my. parents and telling them I'm going to. die down there, you know. And I. remember, like I said, I had a good. upbringing. I have a good relationship. with my parents, but the SEAL teams and. the contracting stuff at CI like [ __ ]. me up. And um and it it I just became. addicted to adrenaline. So I would go. down there and like you can do whatever.

you want. You can do whatever you want. in. I mean, I was making maybe like 200. 250,000 a year contracting back then, which was great. More money than I've. ever [ __ ] made. >> And uh especially back then in the what. uh whatever 20 thou like and. >> Yeah. A lot of [ __ ] money. >> Yeah. And uh and um. so I could buy my way out of any trouble. that I got in. You know, the cops would. arrest me. I'd wind up in jail on the.

way to jail. I just pay him off like, "Hey, let's stop at this ATM. I'll give. you a couple thousand dollars." And. taught myself Spanish. I totally. immersed myself into that like. lifestyle. And um. and I I ODed a couple times and I. remember thinking like I remember waking. up and then dude it was crazy like down. there. Like it was [ __ ] crazy. I used. to hang out at these clubs. They'd have. cocaine. >> What about you losing your identity? Has. that been hard? like because that was. your identity for so long and now you're. kind of like the.

>> Yeah, but nobody knew it, dude. >> Nobody knew it. It was just. >> girls and strippers and hookers and drug. dealers and like. >> and then I would come back to the States. and nobody knew what the [ __ ] I was. doing. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Some people did, >> but. >> Yeah. You're not locked you're not. locked into uh. >> I just like I'm going to I'm going to. die down here. Like what does my life. even [ __ ] mean? >> Yeah. I know. And I got I got run out of. there by the by their version of the.

feds and uh kind of I can't say escape. and evasion, but I just I got out cuz. because um I got tipped off that they. were on me. >> Now you weren't down there working. You. were just down there partying or a. little bit of both. Oh, you know you're. just down there partying. >> Yeah. >> Oh yeah. You're one of those guys. You're one of those kind of savages. >> Yeah. >> No, it was not like it wasn't work. It. wasn't I wasn't. >> I'll tell you what, guys. If you ever. been to Columbia and everyone's [ __ ]. mean to you, it's because [ __ ] people. like this. When you go to Columbia, >> I mean, it was I just I just in like. that's just like you're talking about, man. You would show up to.

a high school party and crack dudes in. the face. Like I would show up to. >> the most dangerous neighborhoods in. Colombia and weasle my way in and like. be partying with these [ __ ] at. >> 2 3 4 5 6 in the morning going 3 or 4 5. days straight, you know? I mean, I. remember like partying in places. You'd. look up and you could see like the. water, you know, it was like those uh. created like uh. like like tin roofs. >> Yeah.

>> You know what I mean? And the tin. wouldn't even be matched up so you could. see the sun rays coming in. >> It was just disgusting, man. It was. disgust. >> Yeah. Well, I could see why I could see. why you wouldn't miss that, you know? But like maybe like the this the CIA. contracting work, but do you miss that? No, I don't miss any of it anymore, man. >> Oh [ __ ]. >> I mean, my life's totally different now, you know? I don't like. >> But I imagine that's hard for a lot of. vets, right, to let go of that. Like. >> Yeah. But you have to be willing to let. it go. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Like now, but I.

mean I I. my adrenaline gets fed in different ways. now, you know? So, and I have to watch. myself and be aware of what the [ __ ] I'm. doing. But like all I mean we were. talking about being unfiltered at the. beginning. >> That can give you. >> so white here where you. >> that can give you an adrenaline rush. >> It's so [ __ ] white here where you. live, dude. It's so. >> it's when you I mean when you're calling. out the most powerful people in the. world on a on a platform and you're Hey, you're becoming that guy, bro. You are. one of the most powerful guys now. Your.

voice I mean you like is it crazy? Like. your voice could change elections now. >> Well, it didn't change it for the. better. >> Yeah, but Oh, yeah. I'm not [ __ ]. scared of that one. [clears throat] But. yeah, so. >> you know what I'm saying though? So I. mean it just you but I'm aware of like. I'm aware of that part of me, you know, and I got to reel myself in still to. this day like you know I'm like. >> are you doing this because it's actually. like the righteous thing to do or are. you doing this because you're like. chasing that adrenaline rush? Cuz I'll. do it [clears throat] and then it gets. released and then I'm like there it is.

I can feel it. >> and then I get [ __ ] paranoid and you. know. >> I don't like to travel without my wife. because if the longer I'm without her. like the more I'm like the more I like. falling back into who I am. It's like um. she like dude my wife grounds me. It's. like if it wasn't for her oh I'd be in. such like even being who I am now. You. would have a very different version of. who I am now. Like you would have a. [ __ ]. >> completely different [ __ ] version. But even like when I travel on my wife, so I was out training in Florida, like. it just.

like that light starts creeping back in. The boredom starts creeping back in. Once I get bored, it's like it just. starts like I go home and I hit my. recenter and I'm like, "Wait, no, no, dude. This is you. This is you, man. You. have a mortgage. Like you got [ __ ]. dogs and a wife and a family one day. Like this is you." But if I travel on my. wife a lot, it's like really I like. >> ground you. >> Yeah. I'm like on the even like I was. walking through like this cute little. [ __ ] city we're in, dude. And they're. like all like the nice white people. walking with shoulders. Hey, what's up.

white man? But it's so [ __ ] boring. No threats. No like no like there's no. danger. It's just like walking through. the street like I can't [ __ ] anybody up. There's no potential violence. You're. just like, "Fuck, I'm ready to commit. suicide right now. The [ __ ] am I here?". [laughter]. >> It's a good place to raise kids, man. >> Yeah, dude. Right. >> It's a really good place to raise kids. Your wife would probably love it here. >> Oh, yeah. No, she would. She always. She's from upstate New York, so she's. always trying to go back, but I just. can't deal with [ __ ] I can't deal. with [ __ ] liberals. And then um New.

Yorkers are kind of dicks. Even the. upstate, the East Coast, I think it's. like um. >> the Northeast in general. The Northeast. in general is just a different vibe from. >> Yeah, they're just [ __ ] [ __ ]. dude. Like I was in a liquor store and. there was a black guy buying like a. [ __ ] you know, buying lottery. tickets on the way over here, bro. Super. cool, man. Real nice guy. We start. talking about life. You don't get that. in in the Northeast. Like they're just. [ __ ] dicks. I don't know. I don't. know why. I've actually put a lot on. I. think it just like overly educated. people are just like away from violence.

Like um cuz like when you're like when. you're when you don't have the education. and like Northeast is all about. education. I league schools. Like it's a. different class of [ __ ] people in the. Northeast. Not like New York. New York's. a [ __ ] hole, but we're talking about. like 99% of New York that like when you. meet a man in the like the ghetto, you. look at him and you acknowledge him and. you say, "Hey, I'm not a friend." Like. I'm not an enemy. >> Like so when I go and I walk and I see a. man and like whether it be black, Mexican, or like some kind of trashy.

like I'll look at him like, "Hey, what's. up? I see you. You see me? Like we're. two men. Like I'm not here to [ __ ]. kill you. Like what's up?" But when. you're in the like when you're in like. the Northeast, I don't think they're. violent. I don't think they're violent. people. So, it's like when you're in. these nice white communities, there's no. need to like there's no need to let me. know that you're not a threat. >> I just find it [ __ ] boring. I hate. it. [ __ ] hate it. >> You think you'll hate it if you have. kids? >> I think I'll just sack up and just. [ __ ] be born and white, you know? I.

[laughter] think I'll just sack up. Just. [ __ ] sack up cuz I know who I know. what I want to do. Like, same as you. Like, well, like you're different now, but like what I want to do is not good. for me. It's not good for my not good. for who I am. And I I miss it sometimes. I think how nice it'd be just go [ __ ]. die in a hole and just like But you have. to allow yourself to enjoy life too, man. >> Do you know what I mean? >> Yeah. It's just so hard. >> Like you have to give it a chance. >> Yeah.

I don't know, man. I just so I just find. it so [ __ ] boring. Like even if I'm. at like getting like a if I'm like. watching a [ __ ] sunset, if I'm like. getting a cup of coffee, like I just. >> That's cuz your mind's racing. You can't. sit with yourself. >> I'm just so violent, you know? It's like. And this why I train so much. Like I'm. so [ __ ] violent. >> Like what's going through your head? You. know what I mean? When you're When's the. last time you sat with yourself and just. sat still? You probably can never do. that. >> I don't know, dude. I'll just [ __ ]. zone out my phone. I I'll use my [ __ ]. dopening addiction. But no, I like I.

know it is. I'm just so [ __ ] violent. Like I can't like I can't tell you like. I don't know what it is like with other. people, but I cannot be in a [ __ ]. place and just not. want to like violate the rights of. others. Like I just I'm [ __ ] violent, dude. I just can't like it's all I want. to do. It's like if I'm in like I just I. want to feel like I'm sure like you know. like when you hit someone with a glove. on, dude, it's like a different kind of. thud. Like it just like you could feel. it on your knuckles like it's all like.

I'm just violent. I can't stop thinking. about it. >> But not violent. >> Do you think about like why that why. you're like that? >> Just conditioning, you know? It's like. um just conditioning like um. >> dude, it's because that's where you feel. at home. >> Your whole life's been like that. >> And I and I find it boring. >> And so like human beings will always. revert. Like why do you think women that. are in abusive relationships and get the. [ __ ] knocked out of them and raped and. like they go from one abusive.

relationship to the next abusive. relationship to the next and they never. [ __ ] get out of it. >> because they never work to give anything. else. I work. I got a wife. I got I go. to nice dinners and [ __ ] bro. I got. ballet. >> They all revert. >> They they revert back to what they know. because what they know is home and they. know how to handle it. And that's what. >> in my opinion. >> No, you're doing reverting to what I'll. go and function. Like I'll just go sit. there and like smile and ask my wife how. she's doing. Hey wife, tell me about.

[ __ ] Tell me about tell me about your. day. Tell me about your dream. Tell me. about the [ __ ] house you clean. you. know, like [snorts] I sit there and I. smile and I listen to it, but like yeah, dude, you know it is like you [ __ ]. know how it goes. But uh yeah, so long. story short, I uh get arrested. I hit. these guys. I went to and then I got I went to uh I. was going through court. I sped two. felony GBIS, which way over maybe they. didn't overcharge me. So I uh had to get.

a bell bondsman. So I had a I took a. short notice fight on South Africa in. South Africa and Keen Cage to pay my. bail bondsman. I got done fighting. I the court case got done two years. later. I'm like 22 years old. My life. [ __ ] continues to suck. I'm still. [ __ ] broke. I'm still riding a bike. to the gym. I walk into I walk I walk. into recruiters again and they say, "Hey, I don't have high school. Is this. thing still available?" They said, "Yeah." And I said, "But I've been. arrested now. Now I'm I'm I've been.

arrested. Uh and they're like, "What'd. you get charged for?" And I was like, "Well, I got charged with two uh assault. and battery with a deadly weapon." And. the guys just [ __ ] laughed at me. So. get the [ __ ] out of here. Like they. don't military is real complicated with. like assault charges. It's uh it's kind. of a big no no apparently. So they just. laugh which is weird cuz like you know. you want people like But then I realized. they don't want people like me cuz like. people like me are liabilities. you know like they want like you're the. best candidate. Great household. You. could be molded. You You have like a You.

know, you could be molded like you have. a inclination for violence. Like you're the best candidate for the. military. Not me, dude. I'm like the guy. that goes like [ __ ] I'm like the guy. doing some horrible act. I'm like, "Oh. yeah, this is a [ __ ] guy. He did this. horrible act. Now he's in [ __ ] jail. cuz he's a [ __ ] retard." But uh so. yeah, after that then I was like, "Well, I guess I'm a fighter now." And then I. got signed to UFC and then the rest is. history. Just kept fighting and the rest. is history. Dude, how long was your dad in the.

picture? >> So, my dad was in the picture for me and. my mom had like a pretty close. relationship. Now, not so much. I still. love my mom, but I kind of look back. like now when I talk to her, it just. kind of puts me in a bad [ __ ] mood. I. still love my mom, but I don't blame. her, you know? It's like we're all just. products of our, you know, the sins of. our father, as they as you would say. Uh, he was in the picture for. he was in the picture till I was about. 17. My mom I woke up obviously was train. full-time fire at the time. My mom.

was trying to go for work. My dad like. had her locked up in the bedroom and you. know saying, "Hey, you [ __ ] you're. banging your boss. You can't leave." So. I'm like 17 years old. Like I walk in. and I just beat the [ __ ] out of him. My. mom leaves. >> Is that the first time you did that? >> Yeah, first time did that. It was like. the wor It was the most depressing thing. ever, you know? It's like you're like, "Man, you really He's like laying on the. floor bloody with a broken nose. I was. like, "Bro, are you really like you were. my boogeyman all night? All my entire. life, dude. You were the one that like. [ __ ] ruined my life and you're just a.

pathetic [ __ ] piece of shit." But um. he he kind of changed. So. for the younger for the younger guys, there was like an opioid epidemic. It's. way less now, but like they were just. giving it out like during the. Afghanistan time, right? They were just. giving out they were just giving. everybody out [ __ ] opioids. So, uh, that was like the biggest change in my. dad with the opioids. Like I remember I. walked home and he just like [ __ ]. snorted Vicodin on the kitchen counter.

I was like eighth grade. So once that. once about seventh grade, he's seventh. eighth grade when he started, it's kind. of ironic because the opioid epidemic. happened right by Afghanistan. I'm not. conspiracy, but it's kind of like the. timeline of it's very [ __ ] strange, right? So he uh. once you get once the opioids the soul. his soul just vanished just a weak. [ __ ] man like opioids are like. opioids are like I mean if there was a. Satan it's opioids like it takes [ __ ].

everything from your identity which for. his case is probably better. So yeah then my mom moved out. I lived. in my mom's apartment. I, you know, I'd. go sleep at my brother's house, go sleep. on couches, just couldn't do the [ __ ]. poor man racket until, you know, I made. more money. But um my dad died of cancer. and uh. I remember like uh he was doing hospice. at my brother's house and uh I I was I.

was like I don't know probably like. early 20s. and uh I don't even know why or what I. wanted to do with it. I wasn't going to. post it. I wasn't going to post it. But. my brother's like crying in the corner. My dad's laying there [ __ ] dead of. cancer. He had so much cancer that uh. the doctor was like, "How did you not. know that you had so much cancer?" Like, "How did you not know something was. wrong with you?" And he was so [ __ ] up. on opioids. You didn't know. So, uh it's always a funny story, dude.

My dad one day. somebody People always be like, "Oh, Sean got sexually assaulted." And I. never fight it because like so many. people have had it happen to you and. it's like, "No, [ __ ] you, dude. Even if. that happened, it doesn't [ __ ]. matter. Like, you're a piece of [ __ ]. Don't bring it up.". But uh one day my dad comes up to me as. he's dying of cancer like it's come to. Jesus [laughter] moment and he goes he. goes Sean you know I was really bad to. you and your mom and your and your. brother but. I didn't molest you [laughter]. like well [ __ ] dude I guess it could.

have been worse man thanks for not. [ __ ] me dude. >> it could have been way worse so my my. dad's [ __ ] dead now laying cancer's. in hospice and uh he's like frail you. you know home and I snack a picture. I. was like I don't know why I just like it. was a moment of like this dead body of. this piece of [ __ ] Like there was a. part of me that wanted to just like. there was a part of me that just wanted. to like have him in that moment forever.

and I just like my brother got so he's. like my brother's crying in the corner. He's like I'm like dad's a piece of. [ __ ] [ __ ] him. What are you doing, dude? He's like what why'd you take it? And they got we got emailed. I was like. fine I'll [ __ ] delete it. But there. was a part of me that was just like. looking at this dead [ __ ] body. I was. like, I just want to savor this moment, you know? I just want to like have this. in my phone and just like so I could. like look back on it. Not as like now. I'd look back very differently. But. [snorts]. so yeah, that was that's pretty much it. >> How do you look back at it now?

>> Is it different? >> No. Sins of the father, you know, it's. um. [sighs]. it's alcohol, man. I I tell. [clears throat] anybody like it's it's a. it's it's wild that alcohol is legal in. America. Like I'm a libertarian. I think. you should go buy meth if you want to. buy meth, but man, it is so [ __ ]. wild. I don't I've never drank. One of. the things that saved me from not. drinking and doing drugs was my. grandfather was so racist and like and. like even in American History X, you. know, they would like there's a scene. where they get mad at them for doing. drugs. So I always thought that like.

drinking and drugs well one it reminded. me of my dad which I hated and then it. was reinforced by like I thought the. drugs were for black people so I never. did it. >> Wow. >> Yeah. So that was like my racism. I. always say like I always say that if. there was a devil if there was a devil. man he's [ __ ] he's always helped me. through life you know like it was never. God. like the devil on my shoulder. always like all the worst and wrong. thing I could do but like if there was a. if there was a devil like when I was a. kid it was the only thing that kept me.

going you know. >> damn dude that's some dark [ __ ]. >> well I mean I'm not religious but it's. like it's true like that little devil. inside you that like that hardens you. and makes you prepared for life and like. makes you like a psychopath like he was. always there with me but uh. >> do you Ever think about what happens. when you die? >> No, man. I don't know. I like my thing. with the Bible, dude. It's just like. it's just so hard for me to think that.

like this small little region, figured. it out, and like, you know, then you. have the like the the Jews had the. original and then the and then the. Christians came and they're like, "No, this is it." And then the Muslims came. like, "This is it." It's like, and they. have the whole rest of the world. I I. don't I do believe in like creative. design like you can't look at existence. and be like like I can't look at this. and be like and maybe this is my brain. can't fathom that. I can't look at this. and be like this is all just random. So. I do believe in creative design like.

intelligent design but after that dude I. don't know. >> You don't think about what happens after. you die. You've never thought about it. >> I mean I try not to you know like. >> what happens when you do? >> I mean it could just be a black screen. That would be the worst. Well, actually, that wouldn't be the worst, but. >> But you say that, but it's like you say. that, but like. >> you wouldn't know. >> But it also like a moment of peace. Like. you're just at peace. Like you don't. exist anymore, you know? It's like. no pain. Like you're good, dude. Just.

>> So are you atheist? >> No, I'm just like an agnostic. I don't. know. But like there is something like. poetic about like not existing anymore, you know? It's like. like everyone's like reincarnate. reincarnation. Like I would [ __ ] hate. that. What if I get reincarnated in my. own life again? I don't want to go. through that [ __ ] again, dude. [ __ ]. that. Like I don't want Don't [ __ ]. reincarnate me, dude. Throw me whatever. [ __ ] hole you pull me out of. But uh. yeah, I don't know, man. I just Yeah. I. don't know. I just Yeah. What do you I.

mean like when you how do you wrap your. head around all the theologies and like. the Eastern European and like or like. the the the the East religions and like. there's so many [ __ ] different and. like I don't I don't I just go off my. own experiences. >> Yeah. >> If that makes sense, you know, and and. uh I'm no theologian. I'm not gonna pump. you full of scripture or anything like. that, but I've just had too many things. happen, man, that like that. But I have. the same questions, not to the degree.

that you do, like if there is a God, why. am I going through this right now? But I. mean, I have this I've seen [ __ ] You. know what I mean? And not in childhood, but in war and like. >> done things and experienced things. And. I mean, I should be Ted 10 times over by. now. Like I I tried to kill myself in my. garage and uh like I just reclined the. seat back and left the car running and.

woke up in my room. >> Yeah. >> The whole ga the whole house smelled. like exhaust. I thought it was gasoline. I'm like what the. >> how old was this? >> It was after the agency. So. probably. low to mid30s. >> Yeah. You just like I [ __ ] I'm I'm. empty. I just. >> Well, just like you're talking about, dude. Like I just I had nothing. >> Yeah. Like you started thinking like But. you started thinking like like nothing. is better than what I have now, you. know? It's like.

>> I just like if I don't like Yeah, I. might be dead, but like. >> I shouldn't be here. Do you know what I. mean? Like I shouldn't be here. I went. down there and my it was it got so hot. cuz I closed the you know I'd done the. thing, dude. in my my the it had melted. a hole into the gas tank. >> How long were you thinking about it. before you did it? >> I don't know. >> No, I'm just saying like so like. >> how long was I thinking about committing. suicide? >> I mean, I always thought about it, but I. never really like went very far. I.

wasn't like this is how I'm going to do. it. I was kid at the Blue Martini in. Boca Raton, Florida. >> Blacked out drunk. Don't know how I got. home. Don't remember doing it. Don't. remember anything. And I mean, thank God it didn't happen. >> Yeah. >> But. like I. >> It's always been in the back of your. mind for a while and you're just you. finally [ __ ] up enough to do to do the. deed. >> Yeah. I did the thing. Yeah. >> And. >> I'm still here, you know? And I've had. like a lot of stuff happen, dude.

>> I mean, yeah. You get [ __ ] shot at. Bombs bomb. Yeah, of course, bro. >> Not that. Not that. That's not like. this. >> That's not like this to me. >> That was combat. This was something woke. my ass up that I don't remember. Took me. out of that [ __ ] garage, brought me. upstairs. And even when I went inside, dude, I went inside. I and I uh like. when I I woke up, the whole house. smelled like gas and like exhaust. Came. down, saw the pistol on my couch. The.

pistol that I don't carry. So, I got in. the safe. It was a big cal. It was like. a 45. And I was like, I never I don't. I'm broke. I don't have I don't shoot my. 45. You know what I mean? 45 ammo is. expensive. And I'm like, "Oh." So, all. my clothes are off. So, I went and got a. gun to blow my brains out. Something had. told me not to do that. Then I'm like, "What is this [ __ ] smell, man? Is the. neighbor's gas on?" So, like, what is.

happening? And I went and I touched the. garage door. Like, the door that goes. out to the garage, the door was hot. And. I was like, "Oh, I think I hear my car running." And so. I'm like, "Maybe something's on fire. So. maybe if I open the door, like it'll, you know, the oxygen will hit. It'll. blow me to smitherines." So then I tried. to kill myself the next morning. I. didn't try to kill myself, but I was. like, "Well, if it happens, great. Open. the door, nothing happens." I see my car. running. I look, the seat is totally. reclined back and the gas is dripping.

onto the muffler. The muffler's on fire. And I'm like, "Holy shit." So, I mean, I'm still drunk and drugged out on on. painkillers and ox, like all of it, you. know? >> And I'm like, so I'm not thinking. straight now. I know like, oh, duh, Sean, this wouldn't trigger anything. I'm like, if I hit the garage door, is. it going to spark ignite this whole. place? And uh, so I hit it, the garage. door goes up, and I like pulled my car. out immediately, and I'm like, "Holy.

[ __ ] dude. [ __ ] tried to kill myself. like three times in a row here. >> And uh and there's been like a lot of. like weird uh. just weird coincidences that have. happened to me that that and one of them. is I mean what I I thank God like. entered my life and was like, "Hey, [ __ ]. it.". >> But it's kind of crazy, right? Like I'm. getting as agnostic, man. Like I mean. you you you're probably one of the most. influential people right now in like uh. in like the in the space, you know?

Well, dude, I mean, do you ever think. about why you're here? >> I don't know, man. >> What are you passionate about? Do you. help anybody? >> Well, it's funny as can lead to that. But back to like this suicide thing. Um, there's a point in my life where I could. think about it 24/7. Couldn't stop. thinking about it. Could not stop. thinking about it. Like, um, drive down. the highway thinking about it. Just like. you start like really like making peace. with the idea that like what is better? Whatever happens is better than now.

Yeah. You know, like whatever happens is. better than now. That was even when I. was in UFC. Just like I used to [ __ ]. do I used to hurt myself to go to bed at. night. Like um like I couldn't sleep. Like I just lay in bed. I couldn't. sleep. So I'd go and buy like a like a a. candle. I leave by my bed. I just like. hover my hand over the candle just to. burn myself. I couldn't sleep. Like the. only thing that could help me sleep was. if I was like if I hurt myself or I'd. like I'd try a shock machine but it. wasn't really enough. they just lock you. up. But like uh yeah, I could just like.

Yeah, I know. I mean, but the key is. sobriety, right? So like what people. don't realize that doesn't matter how. [ __ ] up you are. So. is like what keeps you from going over. the edge. >> because like think about you said I was. [ __ ] partying. I got home. So briy is like when you're [ __ ] up. and you start lowering that in. inhibition wall. If I drank, dude, oh, I. would I'd be the [ __ ] dead in prison.

because like once that once that. inhibition and that's what drinking. does. It lowers your inhibition. And so. now you're just like, "Oh, I'm down to. do anything." I mean, I can't even do I. can't even own a revolver. Like just. like I have one little 22 revolver that. I don't [ __ ] with because I can't stop. every time I pick it up, I can't stop. thinking about killing myself. So, I was. uh. >> You should probably get rid of that. >> Well, I mean, I just It's like duct. tape's little [ __ ] It's like a little. shitty one. So, it's funny. Um like a. when I was younger, dude. I had a girl.

saved my life. Stay inside. I'm [ __ ] at 38. I'm just. [ __ ] spinning it. I'm like in my. brain just talking to her, you know? [ __ ] girl named Jackie. Save my life, Jackie. Thank you. Uh spinning it. I put. a round in it. And I'm just like talking. to her and I'm just like hyperfixating. on like playing Russian roulette. I'm. like spinning spinning it and uh and I. put it in and I'm like I still to this. day, dude, it gives me [ __ ] chills. It gives me [ __ ] chills. So I like um.

I put the round in it. I spin it. I'm. just like talking to her. I was like, "Dude, we should I should do it." And. she's like, "Shan, no. Don't do it. Don't do it." I was like, "No." I mean. like what are the odds? Like one and. six. Like one and six. Like that's good. odds. I take those odds, right? So, [laughter]. I [ __ ] I put the gun in my head and. I'm like staying there and I don't have. a I don't have a cocked yet. It was a. double action, but I know it was a. double single action revolver. And then like like I'm working myself up.

to it. I'm working myself up to [ __ ]. do it. I'm [ __ ] do it. Be a [ __ ]. [ __ ] Like and like even though I'm. having a conversation with her like in. my heart like I have like I have every. bit of like adrenaline and dopamine just. being [ __ ] saturated in my brain. right now and I [ __ ] love it, right? Because it's like you like you know you. can say you're addict addicted. adrenaline like you just have these like. chemicals just saturating your [ __ ]. brain and I [ __ ] I [ __ ] it back dude. and she starts [ __ ] crying and grabs. a gun out of my hand says char [ __ ].

never do if you do I'll leave you and uh. and I'm like let's just see what would. happen [laughter]. and open it up. I was about to shoot. myself in the [ __ ] head. [laughter]. >> [ __ ] dude. [ __ ] Yeah, literally saved. my life, dude. Saved my [ __ ] life. But like I don't know why when I'm. around revolvers, I can't stop thinking. about it. I dwell on it. Like I'm around. revolvers, it's like a game I never. finish. So if I have a if I have a. revolver, I just like it's a game I. never finish. Like there's a part of me. that just wants I want one pull. I just want one [ __ ] pull, you know?

>> Just one. Just just one pull. I just. want to see what it feels like. But uh. [laughter]. >> that's riding the line. I mean, dude, I. had a death wish for a long time. Like. we just talked about Columbia. Totally. I I 100%. >> You get it, bro. But being like. >> I wanted to die down there. I didn't. want to die. I always thought it would. be great. Yeah. If I die in combat. amazing that adrenaline like I think. what it is when you go through so much. trauma and like regardless of the fact. of how well adjusted you are, when. you're living at such a high baseline,

everything else is just like it's not. enough. Like when you're just going. through life like I'm a [ __ ] dead. body, right? I'm like I'm a human meat. bag just existing in [ __ ] this earth. right now. Like I would do anything to. like feel that pull the trigger. Like it. makes me want to cry because I I love. it. Like I would do any I just want to. feel that like I want to feel that. again, you know? >> But but again the same thing with you. It's like you you're at such a high. baseline that like you at level.

it's just it's so [ __ ] you're just. existing. But going back to like. purpose, when I'm done fighting, that's. what I want to do. Like. when you help people, it's a different. kind of feeling. Like when you actually. not like not like these stupid [ __ ]. influencers like here's a bag of money, homeless man. Like that that's not. helping people. Like you're just you're. doing this for like. >> when you do a good deed and nobody knows. about it, >> dude. it like. like that little soul we were talking.

about earlier that that you chipped away. at that you like that you that you. [ __ ] snuffed out every time you do. like this random good deed that nobody. knows about like you just feel like it's. like it's like the engines being [ __ ]. trying to turn over again. So when I'm. done that's kind of what I want to do. just like get in that kind of space. whether any kind of like self-help pace. just like kids anything I mean disaster. relief anything. So, I want to make. enough money to where like I don't need. money and then live modestly and then. just kind of focus on something like. that just because it's the only thing.

that like makes me feel like I [ __ ]. you know, it's the only thing that makes. me feel like I'm not going to want to. eat a bolt when I'm done. >> Well, it's funny you mentioned that cuz. I mean we're talking about God and you. know what I mean, agnostic and all these. things and I mean and and why would God. allow you know you to go through that as. a kid? Well, dude, look at what you're. talking about, man. And look how. influential you are now. Like, you have. like every [ __ ] kid in in the country.

pro anybody who watches MMA, affiliated. with MMA, dude, they all look up to you, man. All these kids look up to you. And. we just went over. >> the sad thing is. >> hear me out though. And and we just went. over how many kids experience this [ __ ]. and they have nobody to look up to. And. you're the [ __ ] guy. >> I think it's one and four. You're the. guy who made it out of that. Look at. what you made out of yourself. >> And so whenever you do decide to get. involved. >> hopefully, you know, I mean, with.

whatever you want to do, but let's say. you go down that avenue and you start, >> dude, you're you're a huge influence to. kids that are going through that and. they [ __ ] see you, dude. >> And then they know there's a way out, whereas you didn't know there was a way. out, man. Well, now these kids can look. at you and they can say, "Holy [ __ ]. like that dude went through that. Maybe. it was worse than what I went through. And if he went through that, then I. could [ __ ] get out of this." And. that's how God works, dude. That's how. he works.

>> You may you make it. But you know, man, like I don't know about God or that. I. just know that like when you when you. help somebody. >> feels good, doesn't it? Dude, it's it's. a it's a different kind of peace that. you don't get from sex, from violence. Like it it's like it's a feeling that. you get that feels real. Like every time. you have like sex or violence, it's a. drug. It's a [ __ ] drug. But when you. do something good, it's like a different. kind of feeling, man. It's like it's. it's it's [ __ ] real. I don't know.

what it is, but it's like real. >> It's God, bro. >> I don't know about that. But either way, man. So, >> you're not open to it. [laughter]. You got to be open to it. >> to feel it to let it in. >> Yeah. But I mean I'm my thing is though. like the whole like Christian God, you. know, like. >> I'm not saying it's not a God and there. isn't a God, but like it's so hard for. me to buy into like the Bible, dude. Like and then like the old [ __ ]. Testament, the [ __ ] Quran, like. [ __ ] the [ __ ] Judaism, like you.

know, like, oh yeah, cut the foreskin. off. Don't eat [ __ ] pork, dude. Send. the [ __ ] she bears. Have you dove. into it or are you just reading [ __ ]. online and have you really dove into. >> I will say dude if I had to pick. religion I am like and I say this I'm. not like all talk about God and Christ I. am like I think that America is like a. religion of Christ. Not only is a. religion of Christ like Christianity. built America like different sects of. Christianity but like the New Testament. Christ like everything like one of the. greatest figures of America like it is a.

beacon of around America. And I think. that one of the biggest issues we have. is we're going away from that. Me. someone who grew up in an atheist, you. know, atheist. Like. one of the biggest issues like we're. losing our heritage. Like Christianity, Christmas, the New Testament, like. that's the heritage of America. And it's. just like, but I also like I I think. that they're actively trying to like. erode America from within. Like the the. illegal immigration like it's kind of. funny. So I wore ice hat. I'm like super.

pro ICE. The only one thing Trump. [ __ ] did right. And um I was talking. to uh somebody at the like the PI and. you know super liberal, very sweet sweet. woman. And uh I was like well let me. tell you about illegal immigration. Like there's two coins of that. Me as a. white man who invests money. I love it. Like I love like as a Republican white. man who invests and like plan to make a. living off investments. I love illegal.

immigration. Why do I love illegal. immigration? Like I I honest you, you're right. I. should probably go [ __ ] Democrat. I'll make more money. They come here, they must work. They lower wages for. like every blue collar. They come here, they lower wages. They must be housed. I. need to I need tax write offs. I have to. go buy some uh this year. I got to buy a. couple uh duplexes. So, guess what? I. need people to rent them. They're going. to they're going to cost they're going. to make the the cost of housing go up. More people need housings now. So, I'm.

going to make more money. Guess what? These people come here, they got to buy. [ __ ] They got to buy Apples. They got. to buy cell phones. They need [ __ ]. fuel. They need to buy some of America's. biggest companies. Well, guess what? I. own some of America's biggest companies. I make a [ __ ] ton of money with illegal. immigration. But what doesn't what. doesn't help is your kids. Your kids. now. They're competing with people that. would do more for less. They're. competing with people that want to live. next to you. They're like they're. they're saturating the workforce. They.

like illegal immigration is making your. life significantly harder and you've. been like sold this bill of like no but. like Republicans and mind you George. Bush wasn't like Republicans are the. biggest [ __ ] advocates of illegal. immigration. Like they you make a you. make more money. You make more money. It's like this is why they're such. massive wealth transfer transferring. because you just make more money with. illegals. So anyways, you go and you. explain this like you're you you are. making your life for your children. significantly harder by voting for open.

borders. But like the liberals do they. just can't grasp it. They just can't. like they're so programmed to think that. like Trump is bad, like. enforcement of borders are bad. Like you. just can't separate them. But I think. it's also been like an active like. campaign to do it, you know? Well, it started off with erasing. Christianity and now we're talking about. illegal immigration, but um I mean I. don't disagree with you. I think they're.

trying to erase it because it's a value. system that they want destroyed. >> I think that's what all the alien [ __ ]. is. >> But also too, like I mean I hope your. audience is aware like illegal. immigration is only good for rich. people. If you are bluecollar, if you. are like the average working man, illegal illegal immigration is a way to. devalue your life. And if you're rich, you only make money off of it. It's a. way to transfer wealth from bottom to. top. >> I see what you're saying. I mean, I've. never really thought of it that way, but. even legal immigration, you know what I.

mean? The H-1B visas and all that kind. of stuff, which I'm not just I'm not. against. >> Yeah. But back to bad Christianity. cuz I think that you know I think that. we should we should steal the best in. class from everyone and bring them here. >> But when you get when you know what I. mean with H1BBC when you bring. >> really smart tech people from India in I. mean that destroys the chances of people.

here. >> Yeah. I mean destroy within reason. It. should be balanced within reason. You. should take the best in world. But. [clears throat] yeah, no, but yeah, back. to Christianity like in vets and. training. Sorry, guys. Getting a little. [ __ ] ADHD, the CT. I got to go do the. uh what's the drug? The abagain. I gota. start doing Abigain, right? No, but this. is why like training with vets. I I I. tell them, you guys got to train like um. like uh I obviously have a lot of. friends that are vets. Like you just got. to train, man. Life's so much better. than the gym year round. >> Who do you think Who do you think you.

would help? Like when you're all wrapped. up with this? >> I could do I could literally do. anything. I don't care. I could [ __ ]. I could go help people rebuild a house. I could go help kids and I could I could. do anything. I just want to be in a. position to where like I could give. back, right? So, it's like. [clears throat]. I just don't find like. say I were to go start a brand or a. company or something, I just start I. don't find enjoyment in that. Like I. don't want to go sell [ __ ] an energy. drink. I don't want to go like sell.

nicotine. I mean, I might do that, but. it's like I just do that for fun of it, but I just like there's no fulfillment. in that. What I want to do is like. whether it be like disaster relief, helping kids in need, like inner cities, like I I just I feel like it's my duty. to give back. And also too, like I mean. I have so much like love from fans. Like. you know, I have like a different. relationship with fans than most people. do. like um like even like in NFL. players like or other UFC fighters like. me and my fans like we have like a very.

like close relationship like so I feel. like the least I can do just get back. you you guys make me a paycheck you buy. you buy fights like you work your. [ __ ] ass off to support me if I sell. product you [ __ ] buy my product like. the least I could [ __ ] do is like hey. I'm rich now at least I could give back. a little bit so that that's kind of what. I want to do I don't know what it is but. something. >> the funny thing is you want to give back. because you like the feeling it gives. you. It's not cuz of the fans, bro. It's. because of the [ __ ] peace that it. brings you. >> Yeah.

>> And the legacy feeling that comes with. that. >> It's like it's just like it feels like. it's a but it's like this is the issue. with the world though, man. Like. >> nobody like gives a [ __ ] anymore. >> Like everybody is so [ __ ] selfish and. self-centered that it's like and mind. you it's hard life and kids, but like. nobody gives a [ __ ] anymore. It's just. everybody is just like a doggy dog. world. Like church is becoming less. No. one gives a [ __ ] anymore. Like even when. like Charlie Kirk died, dude, and this. is how [ __ ] up I got. Like a lot of.

people related to me, but a lot of I. remember watching him [ __ ] get smoked. and I was like, damn, that was [ __ ]. crazy. Like my initial reaction was. like, damn. Like oh [ __ ] Like it was. exciting. And then I think I said it. like, man, I'm so morally bankrupt that. I watched this guy die and I thought it. was like the coolest [ __ ] Made my. [ __ ] day. Highlight of my day. You're. like, "Oh shit." You know, and a lot of. people had that same. And I and I agree. I think Charlie Kirk is a [ __ ] hero.

I It saddens me as like I look back and. saddened me. But I think I made I think. I made a joke right after he died. I. think I said like, "Well, I always say. the best way to vote is with a rifle, you know?" But I I like But then I. laughed and I look back at it like, "Dude, you were so morally bankrupt that. like you just watched a guy get [ __ ]. smoked on stage.". And your first instinct was like, "Oh, that was [ __ ] cool. I want to watch. it." And and we all look at it like, "Oh, same. It's like the George Carlin.

car like bad news." We all [ __ ] love. that [ __ ] We love bad news. There are. some people that watch it and like. horrified and like, "Oh, that's a. [ __ ] terrible thing." But like, I bet. a massive percentage of this world or. Americans watch that and their instinct. they got a little adrenaline like, "Oh. [ __ ] Oh shit." Not, "Oh, that's so. sad." Yeah, dude. America just like. you're so we're so like morally [ __ ]. bankrupt now. And I think a lot of it. happened How old are you?

>> 43. So, I think a lot of it was like the. wars in the Middle East and you see a. lot of it with like and I know like I. don't want to be the guy like video. games caused it but when [snorts] video. games intertwined with the military it. created a very different breed of people. right so like you're older than me so. you didn't really you probably seen it. but you didn't experience it like video. games intertwined with the military And.

you had like I mean like Call of Duty. where like all day long you're [ __ ] a. little kid and you're just [ __ ]. shooting people. >> Grand Theft Auto and everyone's like oh. like you can't blame video games. Like. how do you think it is when little kids. now are spending [ __ ] five hours of. their day shooting people in the [ __ ]. head playing Grandan Theod beating up. hookers. Like there's been like a scop. to slowly [ __ ] people up and desensitize. people. Like Americans are so [ __ ].

corrupt and morally bankrupt now. It's. like I don't even know how you fix it. >> It's everything, man. It's But that's. that's, you know, that's how evil works. It's Hollywood. It's the LGBTQ agenda in. kids. it in, you know, and how Hollywood. portrayed that and how you can't have a. a legitimate acting career in Hollywood. unless you're willing to do a homosexual. scene or a lesbian scene or or promote. those type of initiatives. It's social.

media. It's watching people you know. that that that you know personally would. never would never go for this [ __ ] and. then the next week they're promoting it. and then the next week. >> they're the host of a big show. I had I. had. >> it's like oh I wonder what how that. happened. But I mean it's it's the thing. is it's the porn industry. I had only. fans hit me up to sponsor me. I just. want to go [ __ ] themselves. >> I considered it but I was like I don't. give a [ __ ] how much no amount of money. you would no amount of money in the. world you can offer me that I would.

[ __ ] do that. >> You could offer me [ __ ] 10 $50. million. I'd say. >> only fans offered you a sponsorship. >> Yeah. And I said there's no amount of. money in the world you could offer me. where I'd say yes. Am I. >> That's what I [ __ ] love about you, man. You're like, you just, >> you know, I got a weird one. I got a gambling. company that wants to sponsor me and. like a lot of money, too, where I like. I'm I'm conflicted, but then I'm always. like, but then a part of me where I'm. like, dude, they [ __ ] like sports. gambling is the UFC. [ __ ] people.

gamble. But a part of me feels like it's. wrong, but I'm like, it's part of the. UFC. Yeah, [ __ ] it. I might do it. But. um I mean when you watch Charlie Kirk at. Smoke, what would do you remember your. like gut reaction? >> My gut reaction was. >> Have you met him? >> No, I never met him. My gut reaction was. um he's not going to survive that. >> Yeah. But like I'm saying when you. watched it, were you like, "Oh shit." Or. were you just like what was it? What was. your emotional state? Your baseline? Was. it like a. >> pissed? I was pissed. My initial thought.

was there's no way he's going to survive. that. seen people get shot in the neck. obviously, you know, at the jugular. >> and then uh my other reaction was who. did it? Who's I immediately started. thinking like who did this? Who's. responsible for this? >> The amount of like the amount of. influence he had over people was [ __ ]. wild. I remember like weeks after I mean. people were finding God like it was a it. was a different.

I was watching from like a very like. neutral perspective like I was watching. it from like a very neutral standpoint. and like a part of me was like this is. [ __ ] crazy like I kind of question. the sanity of Americans and I say that. and I say that like. again I I love Charlie everything. Charlie says even towards the end with. Israel, like the only thing that I he. [ __ ] me off on was like in the. beginning when he was a super Zionist, but as he started moving away from being. a Zionist, like man, dude, me and you,

everything you say I agree with now. But. like. watching people's reactions to me was. kind of [ __ ] nuts. Like me, [ __ ] were finding God. Like. people started changing their whole. identity around Charlie. They like his. reals were everywhere. I'm like, dude, I. just like I don't know. I just couldn't. wrap my head around it. I was like, it's. just so strange to me that. like people are that influential like. that people could be influenced so much. I think what's going on, man, because.

there's a huge revival happening in. Christianity right now. Massive. Massive. >> No, again, even I I I advocate for. Christian all the time. I tell people. when I fight, I talk about Christianity. If you you could wake up tomorrow and. become a Christian, I like I wish you. the best. And like we need more of that. Well, what's happening is there's just. nothing that makes sense in the world. anymore. Like, how do you make sense of. anything that's going on with this. administration? How do you make sense of. anything that's going on with the last.

>> got from the White House, dude? >> I know. I mean, it's like what? And and. and. >> honestly, we'll go into that, but that's. what that's what the only thing that. makes sense is what's in the book. I. don't blame him for banning me because. some [ __ ] would have put a [ __ ]. camera in front of my face and me I. would have been like that little voice. pop my head guys I'm just here I'm not. [ __ ] kids like I'm just [ __ ] here. watching fights so I don't. >> I think it's absolutely absurd that you. got banned from Trump's 80th birthday. party I mean America's 250 that was.

celebrated on Trump's 80th birthday. party 20 days before the America's 250. >> Yeah. So uh. >> what a [ __ ] bunch of [ __ ]. >> after the fight. It's actually on video. I was like, "Hunter, dude, like I want. to I want to I want to go to the fight.". Like, "Yeah, we'll get it done." I'm. like, "Sweet, man. Let's go." Cuz like. to me, I could like separate politics. and people. Like Like I I've met Trump. He's He's a nice [ __ ] guy. He He's. sincere with his actions. He like he he. asks you a question. And you know, maybe. it's just years of like being Trump, but.

if you meet him, you will like him. He. he is a nice [ __ ] guy. He will ask. you questions sincerely. Again, you've met Trump, dude. I mean, was that your did you get that take? >> Very charismatic guy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I did like him. I don't anymore. [laughter] But but like even like But. even me, like I just understand like I. don't. I don't really hate people. Like I I. don't hate people in a sense. Like um.

so like after uh after Charlie died, like you said, I want to find that guy. whoever did that. And like you had this. thing of like hate like and it's so. natural, right? You're seeing this. beloved guy, a family guy die. But like. maybe it's because I'm so like. disconnected to things like I just don't. like I just don't have it in me. Like I. I mean I get to go do a horrible act and. like not hate, but it's like. So what I mean by that about like hating. people, I just.

my buddy saw I was online. I was maybe. it's cuz I'm so disconnected. I just I. just don't dude. I just don't like. there's nobody I've met as of now that. that I hate or I dislike. Like you take. some weird [ __ ] [ __ ] that like cuts. his dick off and like like I I think. you're [ __ ] mentally ill. I think. you're [ __ ] up. I think that you are. an enemy of America. I think that you. are a bad guy for America. But I don't. [ __ ] I don't hate you, >> dude. A lot of them grew up like you. >> Yeah, >> I brought one on here.

>> Like I just. >> cuz I wanted to understand. I brought. Chris back. Did he like retransition. back? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And I So I brought him on because I mean. obviously he's been ostracized from the. SEAL teams, but I I I was like I've. always been kind of infatuated like how. can somebody like do this to themselves? Like how does it work? Like what what go. what's in the what's going on mentally? What's what's the psychology behind this. [ __ ] And he grew up like you did. And. he was the whipping boy of the family.

He got sexually molested. He was got the. [ __ ] beat out of him every single. [ __ ] day. Became a SEAL. Left the. SEAL teams riding with the Hell's Angels. trying to get like totally [ __ ] baked. on Coke and every other drug he can. think of. And he so he wanted to get. better. He started going to therapy. >> Does he believe in Christ now? Is he a. Christian now? >> He is. >> Yeah. And. >> people need. >> when they brought when he brought it. when he brought it up in therapy once I. told you always goes back to childhood,

right? >> And he had mentioned in the therapy. section that in in the therapy session. that when he was a kid, he would go up. to the attic and put on his sister's. dress. and skip and he was like really. secretive about he didn't want anybody. So he'd he'd put on the dress and look. at himself in the mirror and the. psychologist or psychiatrist, whichever. it was, uh convinced him that he wanted. to be a woman. >> No [ __ ] [clears throat].

>> And and had him write the book, The. Warrior Princess, and while he was baked. out on Coke and all the other drugs, had. him sign the rights to the book over to. her. And he didn't want to go through. with the book. And she was like, "Tough. [ __ ] buddy. you signed the rights over, I own it. And released it. And when he. came on the show, he's like, "Dude, I. never wanted to be a woman." He's like, "I never wanted to change." He goes, "When I was a kid," he goes, "This all.

got sunk in my head." And then I got. accepted, the the the the LGBTQ. community like lovebombed me. And I've. never felt like that amount of love ever. in my life. >> I understand that. And he goes, "All I. want, all he" He goes, "The only reason. I went up to the attic to put my. sister's dress on," he goes, "It is. because. I just didn't want to be me." And he. goes, "That's the only way I could feel. that I could escape like those feelings. of being molested by the neighbor and.

being the sh getting the [ __ ] kicked out. of me by my [ __ ] dad every single day. of my life." And he goes, "So, I would. sneak up there and put that on and. that's the only way that I could pretend. that I wasn't me." And when you hear. that, it's like, >> you see what I'm saying, dude? Like, and. I don't [ __ ] I don't I don't [ __ ]. hate these people. Like, I don't like. like I I think they're mentally ill and. I think they're [ __ ] up. But like just. said to to hate somebody to me. I just. don't have it. Like, I just don't have. it in me. Like, if you right now, if you.

said there's a pedophile, I don't hate. him. I would I would take a gun and. shoot him in the [ __ ] head and I'd. probably enjoy the act of doing it. But. it's like you're just like like I I just. don't really have that much I don't. really have that much hate in me these. days. It's just like it's just it's over. it. So like when you're talking about. like um. uh you feel feel that like people need. an identity, you know, like and then him. getting lovebombed by the LGBT community. like him absuring that identity, you. know, like we had an identity. It was.

Christianity. That was our identity. People would wake up and they would uh. you know they they they'd wake up and. they'd look at the sun and their. identity was thank you for giving me my. son you know they would uh drink water. they would think that was their identity. and now you just have like these godless. people they're just stumbling through. the earth with zero identity and it's. just like. >> it's engineered man. >> it's engineered it's an agenda. >> no but you know back to the Trump thing. I get why he didn't I wouldn't I would.

have banned me too I I would have banned. me too I just don't have it in me to. like just shut the [ __ ] up. Like they. would have put a camera in my face. I. would have made a joke. [ __ ] I would. have probably made a joke to Trump, dude. You know, but I will say, dude, like. it's it is kind of crazy, dude, how. mainstream that how unpopular Trump is. Cuz I'll go to places like I want to. Florida. I met a Texas guy. Like when. we're talking about like hardcore. Republicans and even these guys are like. I just I can't do anymore with Trump. I.

just like I feel [ __ ] betrayed. And. like Trump to me, everyone's like. [clears throat] like I was talking to. this like really wealthy guy about like. Iran and he was like, "Ah, [ __ ] it. Whatever. I don't care." I'm like, "Dude, you don't care because like you. you're [ __ ] the million. You're a. multi-millionaire." But I was like, dude, you got to think about like every. other American in Florida, Texas that. are making like what is the average like. I think it's like 50 $60,000.

So you take somebody making $60,000 and. now you add 4% inflation a metric [ __ ]. ton of gas. You're adding thousands of. dollars a year to their to their life. >> Like you are like crushing families. Like not me, me and you, we don't give a. [ __ ] Gas could be $100. We don't give a. [ __ ]. >> But it's like the people that have voted. you that rallied around you, like you. actively just [ __ ] spit in their. [ __ ] face for what, dude?

>> And like when you show you've been Have. you been to a Trump rally? >> No. >> Oh, dude, it's [ __ ] nuts. >> No. >> So like when you're at a Trump rally, you're like, "Oh, I could definitely see. how Hitler happened." Like I'm not even. I'm not [ __ ] joking to you, dude. When you go to a Trump rally, it makes. you question the sanity of everybody. Like Trump's up there talking about like. we're going to throw people in jail for. burning the flag and I'm like like I. mean again you shouldn't do it but it's. like you know there is there was a. [ __ ] constitution. I'm looking at.

Vivic and Vivic is just like [ __ ]. like rubbing his head and he gets out. and leaves a Trump rally and I'm like ah. [ __ ] And everybody else is just [ __ ]. full said yeah [ __ ] him. Throw him in. jail. Like like if Trump said go grab a. gun and go do anything, they would. [ __ ] do it. They would [ __ ] do it. >> I know. It's a cult. It's uh and that's. another good that's that's one of the. things about Christianity. You're not. supposed to put, you know, you don't you. don't put your faith in man. They will. also [ __ ] time. >> about you. What I have respected you for.

so much is you are one of the OG. thinkers where you're just like. especially in your [ __ ] space, you. were one of the OGs that like wait a. minute like just stop. What are you. [ __ ] doing? Like, what the [ __ ]. going on? And not many people did that. Not many people did that. You were one. of the you were you were one of the. biggest voices and opponents to war, you. know? It's like if somebody like if you. were the complete opposite, you would. you would. you would convince so many people. If.

right now you came right here and you. started talking about like how good it. is and we should double down and do. more, millions of people would listen to you. and advocate for it. I can't do it. I can't be chained. And. that's what this administration and. probably every administration has done. You know, I mean, right when he got in. there, I got an invite to I can't. remember, go somewhere and I was going. to get I could fly on Air Force One with. them and I could go to the White House. and fly on Marine One. Ironically, I was. going to have to pay for the flight on.

Marine One. And I was like, uh, one, no. Two, I know what the [ __ ] you're doing. And you're trying to like capture me and. put chains on me so that I can never. leave you. You You want You want to You. want to make it look like I'm a part of. whatever the [ __ ] you have going on. And. I'm I am I'm an independent thinker. I. will never do that. I will never put I. will never willingly put myself in. in a position where that that I can.

appear to be captured by. by a specific uh movement like I am my. I'm my own person. >> and and I I I'll never give up that that. freedom. I always say like and or always. like I have this thought that like. [clears throat]. if you want to see a man's character, see how he acts to a bad guy who's nice. And so what I mean by that is like when. you meet bad [ __ ] people and they do. bad things, they're the first one to.

shake your hand and like hold the door. for you and like where like character. matters and like your foundation. matters. If you could stop and be like, "Wait a minute." Like, I don't give a. [ __ ] how nice you are to me. Like, you're not going to like you're not. going to get me to you're not going to. coersse me. Like, you're not going to. [ __ ] sociopath and make me do a bad. deed. And so, like with Trump in a. sense, he's kind of like that way, man. I don't again I know Tucker Carlson said. that like uh he thinks he has like de I. don't believe that like he's demonic but.

when you meet him he's so charismatic. and he's so nice that you're like. you almost could overlook if you like if. you don't have a strong will and a. strong character you could almost. >> yeah you could just get sucked in and. then like. >> and you just become part of the the. machine. It's It's so hard when you meet. charismatic people like that that are. just so [ __ ] good at getting you to. lower your guard and be accepted. And I mean, again, go to a Trump rally,

but um yeah, so I I don't blame I don't. blame Trump for for getting me, but man, they were so weird. Even me, but like I. get so much hate now from going back to. the Navy Seal thing. like you know when. when I was like pro MAGA dude I had so. much like so much more love from people. where like and I don't give a [ __ ] but. the moment I like came out and said hey. man the the the list is a little [ __ ]. weird like. and then like. >> I feel your pain [laughter] like.

>> you know you're like like I'm just. asking [ __ ] questions you're like. well what do you mean I'm like well dude. let me let me tell you that has history. that I know it Trump reluctantly signed. the bill like he reluctantly signed the. freedom to to release the files. [ __ ]. guy has Pam Bondi who he put in have his. personal lawyer handle all Todd Blanch. have all file releases. He handles all. redactions. [ __ ] three get three million. documents out of six million. [laughter].

And then and then what happens after. that? He goes and interviews Trump's. personal [ __ ] lawyer goes and. interviews Maxwell and says uh the only. thing she says is he didn't no involve. me. No involvement. The next day, dude, I have a buddy who's a prison guard. He. was telling me about the prison she's. in. >> Dude, it's nice. I could go to that. [ __ ] prison. I got TVs and puppies. and [ __ ]. >> And it's like. >> like how do you guys not like how does. that not concern? Like how could you not. like just hear that and be like huh?

Like I just like how do you not, bro? Like how do you not? And I'm not even. saying Trump did it, but I believe that. Trump is protecting and hiding powerful. [ __ ] people and he's used the. government to do it. And like I don't. give a [ __ ] how you hate me. You cannot. give me an explanation for this. I've been trying to simplify my routine. lately, especially around training. Because when you're lifting, recovering, traveling, and trying to stay.

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the files that were redacted were the. abusers.". >> Yeah. >> How hard how hard would it be to take a. [ __ ] permanent marker and just cross. out Stacy's name, Jessica's name? >> But instead, you It's like That's what. I'm saying. >> He He's vocalized it. Correct. I mean, Margie, I think Margie Taylor Green even. said, you know, that he had told her, "I. can't I can't do this because then these. are my friends.". >> Yeah. >> Or something along allegedly something. along those lines. >> But they were all that way. Do you uh I. got to ask you, bro, do you believe in.

the Charlie Kirk? Do do you accept the. narrative that the three 306? >> No. >> You don't? >> No. But I don't I'm not. >> You don't know the answer. But you're. saying the answer. So that's why, man. I. think. >> anything I say would be Yeah, I think. I'm I think I'm I think it's strange. >> I think it's strange. Like I I went hog. hunting, you know, last weekend and like. you're watching these [ __ ] like AK. round just rip through hogs. Rip through. them. I mean like three 200lb hogs just. boom. I think it's strange, but it's.

like to me it's just so like I could not. fathom getting like so much manipulation. of information to get the gay [ __ ] guy. to agree, to get him to agree, to get. like I can't wrap my head around that. level of conspiracy. >> I mean, there's too many weird things. that have happened. I can't name them. all, but I mean, one of them, you know, is I mean, they they what did they do? They concreted over the the site. I. mean, it's just Candace told me that it. was done in the middle of a pentagram. And I I personally do think that this is.

all. I think everything now is good versus. evil and there is a demonic element to. >> Oh, 100%. But I mean, but again, 100%. >> You look at some of the the rituals and. I mean the stuff that was going on in. the Epstein files and it's all. ritualistic. >> I mean, look at look at Alex human. sacrifice. Alex infiltrated Bohemian. Grove. Like what are you talking about, dude? Burning effiges. Have you ever. took a lie detector test? No, you haven't took a lie detector. test. Okay, dude. I [ __ ] I hate Cash. Patel so much. Like Cash Patel to me is.

like the weakest [ __ ] man in the. world. [ __ ] like you look at Cash. Mattel and you're like, "Dude, you were. like you were as weak as [ __ ] dirt. I. cannot stand him." So funny funny. enough. Uh. I'm I'm I'm curious your take on this. And this is like So there's this manager. Ali Abaziz. [ __ ] whatever the [ __ ]. One of the biggest managers in the UFC, spoke at Trump rallies,

like manages everybody. Let me tell you. this guy's [ __ ] backstory. And by the. way, he's best friends with Cash Matt. Patel. Best [ __ ] friends with Cash. Mattel. So, I started thinking about. this cuz uh all these UFC fighters went. hung out with a bunch of FBI agents. I'm. like, dude, why the [ __ ] you didn't call. me guys? Like, I [ __ ] I love law. enforcement. Like, like I like why. didn't you call me? And I started. looking at Oi and all these pictures. One of the biggest managers in the UFC. This is this is his accolades. [clears throat]. after 9/11. It's all in a book. There's.

a a book. It won like the [ __ ] like a. some like fancy award in New York. Some. liberal [ __ ] award. So it's like it's. a very credible book. He [clears throat]. he gets arrested after 911 with a bunch. of passports or like IDs or fake. documentation. He's locked up on felony. charges of like falsifying information. And this happened like weeks after 911. This is what I know of. Don't [ __ ]. sue me. This is what I know and this is. what the book says. So he's in a.

Colorado lockup and then he gets. approached by the FBI. They called him I. think he was they have his like they. even have his number. Like this is all. factual what I'm saying. They had his. like his informant number. They have him. as a high paid informant like spying on. like I don't know what organizations but. like some like Muslim Brotherhood. something like and he's traveling here. and here and there and uh he gets out. they give him a lie detector test. because they suspect him lying. His. nickname was the dolphin because he.

would talk so much. They they suspect. him for lying. So they give him a lie. detector test and he fails and they uh. they let him go. He can't if he leaves. the country, they won't let him back in. Like I mean, he is like by all by all. information known, this [ __ ] is. a a snitch terrorist. that like when you look at all pieces of. information and he goes and is best. friends with [ __ ] Cash Mattel and I'm. sure I'm sure he goes to Cash Mattel. like, "Hey brother, brother brother, let.

me let me you want to go meet Kabib? You. want to go meet Justin Gachi? I go meet. Justin Gatei." And it's like you just. look at these like these things you're. like man dude like the [ __ ] you guys. like what the [ __ ] dude. >> it's part for the course man. >> but like so. >> the country is not well the the. president's kids are buying private. island are buying private islands with. bunkers now if the country was doing. well why would the president's kids be. doing that? I mean,

>> there's just there's so many I get I get. painted as a a like I'm taking money. from Qar or something. >> I'm sorry. >> I'm not the one that took a $400 million. jet from Qar. Maybe you should [ __ ]. look. Excuse me. >> Kind of funny. Back to love, dude. Israel like love me at one point. So. like Israel I mean like I would get. messages from Israel like cuz they. [ __ ] love me. So after October 7th. cuz I've been like really eating the. [ __ ] Zionist propaganda most my life. and it took kind of October 7th.

>> to like and I'm no like I'm no like fan. like I'm not like I'm not like the. Muslim like I all the Muslim guys I know. are generally really [ __ ] cool. Like. I train because you know in fighting you. train with a lot of them. They're. generally really cool. They don't want. to come bring [ __ ] Sharia law. They. just want to train, get a [ __ ]. paycheck and go back to [ __ ] Dagistan. wherever the [ __ ] they're from. And like. they're generally cool [ __ ] people. So, like my experience with Muslims. isn't like the propaganda that they're. that they feed me. Like I'm assuming. that there are a lot of radical [ __ ].

Muslims that like want to go blow up. [ __ ] I'm assuming that is the case. But. like my experience, I train with them. Hey brother, how you. doing? They go back home to their family. and they and that's my experience, right? I'm sure you might have a. different experience. That's my. experience. >> No, man. I I'm I used to hate him. Obvious I mean I used to hate him. because of what I did but. you know that flag right there was given. to me by a really good friend of mine. who's Muslim and he was a US he's a US.

uh or American Afghan citizen. >> Mhm. >> And he was army intelligence. and he's really tied to the resistance. that's going on over there right now. Do. you know about that? >> No. So they so the Taliban has basically. assassinated all of our partners and I. mean shot them in the back. And so the resistance is is kind of. like, you know, >> the free party, you know what I mean? They they want free Afghanistan.

>> And so he goes over there and he brought. that flag back. He uncovered this this. thing. They'll tell you about in a. minute, but he brought that flag back. He recovered it from the Taliban burning. it in Afghanistan. and he gave it to me. on this show and he wanted he wanted. everybody in America and the world to. know that the United States is funding. the Taliban in cash. 40 to87 million in cash a week.

And so when you think about that and you. think about the Iran war and what's the. narrative on the Iran war? Oh, they we. they've been our enemies for 47 years. and they've been killing our people and. they they equipped uh the Iraqi. insurgents with EFPs and all this. And. they did they are they are they did do. that. But don't feed me that [ __ ]. line of [ __ ] about we're going after. our enemies when your administration is.

sending 40 to87 million a [ __ ] week. to the Taliban who we were directly. fighting. >> for like what [ __ ] 20 years. >> Don't paint me that [ __ ] You know. that that works on the majority of the. country because they don't know what. that's what's what's what's what's. really going on. But don't tell me about. this. They've been our enemy for 47. years and you give a [ __ ] about our. enemy when you're [ __ ] paying our. real enemy right there. >> Yeah. >> It's it's everything that they are.

telling us is a [ __ ] lie. >> Cuz I grew up in the '9s and after 911 I. mean again you you've exper you were. [ __ ] you know like you lived it. But. I like Muslim to me was like the [ __ ]. boogeyman. The Muslim is bad. The. Muslim's [ __ ] bad. Like and we're so. propagandized. So after October 7th, I. was like full saying like Muslim bad, Hamas bad, dude. Go in there, get your. [ __ ] people back. Like, and like the. Israelis loved it cuz they're like, "Yeah, Sean's saying go to [ __ ] war.

Go get your people back." And and and I. I stand by that. Although I think Israel. I think Israel knew about October 7th. Like I mean, you're talking about. >> Has that been proven? >> Yeah. I mean, you're talking about a. country that has a smaller border than. [ __ ] New Jersey. That is like a. literally a prison. And you're telling. me that like you didn't know like you. gave people pagers and you put them all. over the terrorist organization. You. didn't see these people buying. paragliders, tractors, welding [ __ ] You. [ __ ] knew. You [ __ ] knew. And then.

you look at their response. It wasn't. like a response of like we're going to. go get our people back. They go like the. satellite images. Like. >> it's almost like they needed it to. happen so that they can do everything. that they're doing right now. And and. this is where like and this is where. Israel. >> I don't like 9/11. >> Yeah. [ __ ] dude. And and this is where. like and this is where Israel and me. like and now now people in Israel. [ __ ] hate me. Like it's funny. You're. loved by them then you're hated because. it's like dude you made me realize like. Israel deprogrammed me because I'm.

watching what you guys did to Gaza and. we're not seeing like I don't see when I. see a dead body I don't see a [ __ ]. jihadist with an AK. I'm seeing a little. girl being pulled out of a [ __ ]. building. I see map images of this like. piece of land that like is now a. demolition site. Like you were. committing on a very small scale a. genocide. You were you were or like when. they lost me. There was like one of our. [ __ ] Zionist leaders. I think maybe. it was like Tucker or something or like.

he's an interview. He said, "Well, what. would you do if uh what what do we do to. Hitler? Like what would we do to the. Nazis?" referring to like we're having a. proportional response to what they're. doing. I'm like, well, what you wouldn't. do, you wouldn't go over there and. [ __ ] murder kids. Like, we didn't go. to [ __ ] World War II. We didn't go. [ __ ] murder kids. We liberated them. and we re rebuilt Germany to one of the. most [ __ ] successful countries in the. region. That's what we did after World. War II. We didn't go flatten everybody.

and [ __ ] murder kids. Like, don't. give me that crazy [ __ ] So like during. this this course of like I really. deprogrammed myself from from like from. Israel the Israeli propaganda and I. don't think like I'm not a Candace. Owens. Like I don't think there's like a. secret like tiny hat room where guys are. sitting around a table like we're going. to overthrow America. We're going to do. this and do that. What people [clears throat] make a. mistake on conspiracies don't like.

patterns don't always equal. conspiracies. There can be a pattern, but just because there's a pattern. doesn't mean there's like some like, you. know, that there's just because there's. a pattern doesn't mean there's some like. puppeteer pulling the strings. Like. [clears throat]. I want to say this, right? And I don't. want to seem like I I'm not. anti-Semitic. I don't give a [ __ ] if. you're a Jew. Nobody I don't know. Like. everybody says like, "Oh, Jews this, Jews this." Most Jews I know agree with. me. Like my my boy Aiden Ross, he would.

sit here with us, Jewish guy. He's like. one of the owners of kick. He would sit. here and agree with everything they're. saying. Like most Jewish people I know. when we have these conversations are. like, "Yeah, dude. You're right. I'm not. a [ __ ] Zionist. I'm just born a. [ __ ] Jew." You know, but. like. if you look at. and I'm kind of going deep in a rabbit. hole and I want people like to. understand this because you have people. like Candace Owens and I know she's your. friend, but like Candace Owens doesn't. do anybody a service. So like Candace.

Owens, she's so over the top that she's. used as a as a weapon against like. thought because you have these she says. all this crazy [ __ ] like Charlie Kirk's. a time traveler like blah blah blah blah. and every now and then she'll sprinkle. in truth to what she says but really all. she does is like belittle the movement. and water the movement down of what it. is what it is. We when you want to talk. about like the Jewish propaganda or the. Israeli propaganda, it is very [ __ ].

simple. It is very [ __ ] simple. They only care like they only care about. Israel. They want Israel to be this. nation. There's no there there's no like. there's no force behind them saying that. we're going to destroy America. what. they advocate for due to the Holocaust, due to them not really having a country, they advocate for things that they. believe are right for the world that. actively destroy America. So what I mean.

by that is like you have George Soros. George Soros when he's advocating for. open borders, you need to understand. he's coming from a place to where like. his his people they had no home. they. were kicked out of this, kicked out of. that for reasons why, you know, they. they were kicked out of here, they were. kicked out of there. So like when George. Soros advocates for this, he's. advocating from a place of like, I think. this is good for the world. We should. have open borders. We should you should. be able to migrate, which is ironic. because [ __ ] Israel is a [ __ ].

prison. Go migrate to Israel. Let me. know how that goes. But but what is good. for you is not good for us. But it's. like they're not they're not doing it in. like a [clears throat] hatred. Or you. take like people often talk about like. Nazi Germany. Um the like one of the. early founders of like transgenderism is. you guys could all fact check me on this. but uh it was a Jewish a Jew guy. He was. a he was a homosexual doctor. And I. [clears throat] think that it's also. like a a.

I think it's also like a curse of. intelligence, right? Like like Jewish. people have on on average have higher. IQs. They're just they're more. intelligent. So like generally sometimes. like when you look when you're overly. intelligent you start breaking norms. right so like [clears throat]. when you're really intelligent and you. could like fathom like the intricacies. of the world and like you start breaking. down norms well like why is gender a.

male and a female like why is it not on. a spectrum like you know what I'm saying. because you could start really like say. you're not religious you could start. making cases for Well, humanity in a. thousand years, would it not be better. if there was no gender? And you could. start making these like cases and. orchestrating a world that you want to. be in. >> And this is where you need to get into. the Old Testament. >> But but I'm saying we're coming from a. place. >> a lot of this stuff is in there where. they talk about a a genderless God.

>> This [ __ ] is all like happened. >> I will say, let me let me tell you one. thing, dude. I do find it very odd the. correlation between the like Bible and. and like what it is now, right? So, back. to like the Jews promoting, you know, promoting this ideology that that like. Hitler hated. So, Hitler goes and expels. these people, but I I don't think that. like I don't think that like the George. Soros like the Jewish elite. The issue. is you have such a small population with. such a mass amount of wealth that has.

way too much power. like you're you're. such a small population. You shouldn't. have this much control over like. millions of people. If you make up like. 3% of the world, why do you have so much. of a voice? I mean, I'm not saying like. no persecution, but like you you're. acting and and financing things that. people don't agree with, but like going. back to, you know, people like why does. the Israel lobby George Soros why are. they, you know, one of the first.

movements of communists, like five. people were like one of the main one of. one of the main people of like the. communist movement were like Isra were. Jewish, not Israeli, Jewish. So. [clears throat]. what you have is you have people like. Candace Owens going and saying there's. like this Jewish elite around a table. pulling strings trying to destroy. America when that's not the case. You. have hyper intelligent people, hyper. wealthy people doing what they believe. is the right thing to do. The thing they.

believe is the right thing to do is to. have open borders, to have a fluid. gender. This is why they go to Hollywood. and they push it. There's no there's no. evil strings. This is what they believe. in their heart is the right thing to do. And usually if you're hyper intelligent, you're more liberal. That's just how it. works. >> I don't know, man. I'm going to disagree. with you on that one because one. with Candace, I think Candace is. >> I love Candace. >> On the right track with a lot of things. There's a lot of things that I'm unsure.

of that she says. And um. >> Okay, let me ask you why. >> Hold on. But hold on. And I don't like. you. you are kind of. grouping all these Jewish people. together. >> Well, I'm not because I have a lot of. Jewish friends, >> all Israelis together, >> and I don't believe that either. I. believe that there is a the the the. >> the people that are they're under right. now. have an agenda. I think it's been there. for a long time and I think there is.

definitely 100%. maybe not to destroy America's but they. have completely. >> infiltrated American politics through. APEC through Hollywood. I mean a lot of. things to push the Zionist agenda. to to propagandize the United States. with the with the Zionist agenda. And. we've bought off on this for a long. time. We fought a lot of the wars for. them. Those are our people. And so if.

you think about it, it's actually a. genius plan because. >> we. >> we are the proxy. >> Like okay, let's. >> Hamas is a proxy. We are the proxy. Who's funding the majority of the war. >> in Iran right now? >> Yeah, I get it. >> We are. >> Who's who who? >> But you see what I'm saying? And this is. coming from Zionist influence. I have. question and so there are. >> powerful people. >> in all I mean.

>> in all these look who owns all the all. the media companies you know let's. science I got questions I got questions. let's unpack so you say all wars and but. again let's talk let's remember patterns. don't always equal conspiracy sometimes. there's patterns that just happen to. align and they're together so. [clears throat]. go back to the petro dollar we had an. agreement. When was it? [ __ ] the the. the 50s under one president that we. would have a security pact to help to.

help, you know, stabilize the region. So, what happens? And I believe that. this aligned with America. I I mean, there was a speech about don't letting. the military-industrial complex get. involved. I mean, how many how many. politicians take money from the military. industrial complex? 100% of them. 100%. of them. So I think that so you. [clears throat] have the US agrees we. will stabilize the region, use our US. dollar. You buy oil with us, we'll we'll.

make sure everything's [ __ ] peachy. keen. And you could valify. I mean, I'm. sure you know more about this world than. I do. So Saddam Hussein goes and, you. know, goes and does Saddam Hussein. He. goes and invades Kuwait. He just got. after just got done a bloody war with. Iran goes and invades Kuwait. And then. now the US is like they're looking at. this opportunity to like okay we got to. go this is our job you use our petro. dollar we need to do this now is it also.

in the best interest of Israel that. Saddam Hussein and the Iraq government. was overthrown 100%. 100% it is in the best interest of. Israel if Saddam Hussein Iraq who was. not a friend of Iran or Israel gets. overthrown so you have Israel is 100% %. lobbying the US government to go [ __ ]. do this. But it is also in our interest. to go and stabilize a region and become.

closer with these massive oil. distributors and and put bases there. You see what I'm saying? Now, mind you, our our founding fathers very much. warned foreign entanglement. But you. have the military-industrial complex is. making a lot of money. You have Israel. who obviously doesn't like Saddam. Hussein in Iraq. and you have them. lobbying, making a case and presenting. to our leaders, hey, no, we they we've. we did the security agreement. We have. the pact. Go over there and stabilize.

So, we go over there. We I'm just trying. to like I'm just breaking this down so. people understand. So, like you could. you could put fact to conspiracy because. sometimes conspiracy it's like it it. just puts you down this rabbit hole that. doesn't make sense. >> Well, what I'm saying is not a. conspiracy. This is true. >> Well, no. What I'm saying is true. 15 or. 16 million into a a local Kentucky. congressional. >> But what I'm saying is true, too. Isra. the Israeli lobby, >> the Islabbi, the military-industrial. complex, the oil industry, all these.

people all lobbyed us to go get involved. with Iraq. And and we go, we overthrow. We we overthrow and we leave. But what. did we do? We left bases in uh we left. bases in the the the Gulf state the you. know the oil rich companies countries. and this is just like I I need to I need. to talk on facts. We could talk about. 9/11 and like the Jews did 9/11 but like. that doesn't that doesn't get us. anywhere if we start just talking about.

conspiracy. All you do is you get down. these [ __ ] rabbit holes. So, [clears throat] we go, we put. >> It's not a It's also It's also not a. conspiracy that Barry Added $300. million. >> Well, I'm getting there. We're getting. there. So, now we're right after We're. right after the first uh Iraq invasion. We leave. We We [ __ ] leave. We leave. him in power. We [ __ ] leave. We leave. bases all over the Middle East now, right? And we did it as a security. agreement. Here, we want oil to flow.

Here's our bases. You buy this. you. strengthen our dollar, the [ __ ] the. Jew loves it. The Israel loves it. because we have bases there. We're. stronger. 9/11 happens. The accepted. theory for 9/11 is Osama bin Laden and a. lot of Saudis, by the way, not just not. just him. I mean, it's pretty obvious. that he had help from the Saudi. government. Pissed off. He I mean, he wrote true or. not, he wrote that like we have bases. there. He was pissed off that we're in.

these holy cities. He want to go and. he's also pissed off because Israel. because we give a [ __ ] ton of money to. Israel and we were normalizing. relationships with him. So he's pissed. off. We have he has there's a foreign. nation occupying his country. We are. giving a metric [ __ ] ton of money to. Israel. to go to go you know illegal occupation. to go commit genocide to go create war. So he goes and this is just accept the. theory. We can't talk about conspiracy. We're just talking about what we know.

So he goes, you know, gets a bunch of. Saudi nationals, flies a flies a. building, plane in a building. He says, "Hey, well, you guys have occupied my. place. You give Israel this. This is my. way of striking back." So, and this is. where like America starts kind of going. off the [ __ ] deep end where like it's. kind of more harder to like It's kind of. harder now to like put pieces together. because weird shit's happen even more. now. So, we go and we invade. Afghanistan. We go and we invade. Afghanistan. We we we start fighting the.

Taliban. like for what? For what? You know, Israel loves it. Israel loves it. We. have more bases there. We have more. footprint. And all of a sudden, you have. the Israeli lobby. And this is where. like and and this is to me if you want. to identify a point in history when. Israel became the known bad guy was a. second invasion of Iraq. Because you had. this is where like the [ __ ] mask came. off and you had BB on front of everybody. saying no there's weapons of mass.

destruction. They have [ __ ] nukes you. guys. Like they got they got chemical. weapons. They gas the Kurds like and off. that alone we used it. Hey you know the. Israelis are saying that the WMDs. All the intelligence community saying. you have W and DS. Actually, we went in. anyways. And so I brought in this guy, Pete Blabber, who was a colonel um at. Delta that kind of led the invasion. And we just had this episode. It was 12.

hours long. >> No [ __ ]. >> Yeah. And so we he got so they asked. Delta to do you know whatever. surveillance and then they found the WMD. factory. There's this big air thing on top of a. building that is that's that's um. whatever a uh a uh what an air purifier. I can't I can't I'm having a brain thing. right now. But what the big uh the air.

purification system on chemical weapons. That's what they have. >> Yeah. >> And then on the side they've got here's. a big missile. We see it. We could see. it in the imagery. The imagery back then. wasn't like it is today. And then they. see, you know, the sentry guard that's. outside guarding the the facility. and they get this out to Delta. and Pete says to him, "Hey, and if I'm. if I'm messing any of this up, you can.

go watch the episode and correct me, but. this is the basis.". and they have so they get it to Pete's. team over at Delta and Pete tells uh. whoever sent it the current. administration, we don't want to know. anything of what you guys think this is. We're going to analyze it ourselves and. and and and we'll get you. We don't want. to be influenced with your with with. what you have to say. The air purification system on the roof. wound up being an air conditioning unit.

The missile on the side of the building. wound up being a water tank, a big water. truck. because they're in the middle of the. desert and that's how they get water. They have to bring in the water and pump. it in. And the sentry outside of the building. was just a guy taking a piss. And then they sent that intelligence. back, totally disregarded it. And a couple of. days later, Colon Pal is going over the.

exact same imagery and saying that we're. going to go invade Iraq. >> So again, same thing with the Gulf of. Tonga incident. You have an Israeli. lobby, you have a military-industrial. complex, and you have rich businessmen. that push and push this. So it's like. it's not like there there is no like. group of elites pulling strings. Like. this is like you have wealthy people. that benefit off these things. This is. why it happens. It's like this is why it. happens. There's no like there's no. secret cabal pushing this. You have, hey, militaryindustrial complex, Boeing,

you have Israel. Yeah, [ __ ] Let's go. take this guy out. This is going to be. good for us. Take this out. And then it. [ __ ] happens. And this is how it. happens. And it's not it's not that. there the government is compromised on. so many [ __ ] levels from like the. military-industrian complex to Israel to. lobbyists. like that the government is. so compromised that the only thing that. would fix the government is if either. like you elected a radical uh person or. or a revolution or a violent revolution.

There's nothing else that will fix it. It is they are ticks and they're. embedded in Trump and everybody else. I. mean even like man even Iran dude I like. I think too a lot of the new newer. generation they don't know what it was. like to grow up in the '9s. I mean it. was just like we were in [ __ ] every. year of my life were in war. we were in. some war. Every year of my life, we're. in a war. And our and our grand and our. parents, they just didn't know any. better because they didn't have the. information that we had. So, they would. all they would see in Fox News is like, "Yeah, Saddam Hussein, he has nukes,

he's going to [ __ ] kill us or he has. chemical weapons, he's going to kill. us." And they didn't have like they. didn't have the information that we. have. So, like it's up to like us push. back. And like this is why you do such a. great service cuz you're pushing back. But I just don't think it does anybody a. service when you start getting in the. the realm of conspiracy when you don't. need conspiracy to prove a point. It's a. military-industrial complex. It's. lobbyist. It's Marin Aden. It's the. Israeli Apac. They're just they've.

infected the government. Like it's that. it's that simple. There there's no like there's. >> I think it's a little bit of all of it. >> But it's a little bit of all. But I'm. not going to I don't once I once I once. I. >> think I know what it is or I'm 99% sure. I know what it is. I quit digging. because. you throw a speculative narrative out. That's a new term I got the other day. instead of conspiracy theory because.

because those conspiracy theory is a is. a new idea, you know, and and and. I don't think you should necessarily. discredit. >> new ideas or speculative narratives. because it doesn't fit a a a certain. agenda. >> It's something that should be looked. into and once it's disproven, then you. disprove it. You don't just label it as. what it is. You're identifying patterns. Like you're identifying patterns and.

you're drawing conclusions that aren't. that. Like just cuz things align there's. patterns. It doesn't mean there's like. it doesn't mean there's some a. puppeteer. There's patterns all over the. world the world the government and. there's no puppeteer. So like what. Candace what I think she [ __ ] up on and. like we're talking about the big voices. like she's saying there's a puppeteer. You have interests that are aligned. together. A like. >> Well, those are multiple puppeteers. >> Yeah, but I mean they're not really. puppeteers because they just want what.

they want. Israel wants. >> That's a puppeteer. >> Yeah, but it's like it's pretty obvious. like Israel wants to Israel wants to. control Gaza. They want the greater. Israel. Like there is no anytime you. ever talk to Israeli and they let their. [ __ ] guard down, I'm sure you have. They want the greater Israel. the. illegal settlements, they they like if. you ever talk to someone from Israel and. they let their and a lot of them don't, but if they let their guard down for a. second, you're very aware of what they want.

Like, have you have you ever experienced. that? I train I know a lot of Israelis, that's why I'm saying every now and. they'll let their guard down and like. they'll be like they think they're in a. safe place and all of a sudden they let. their guard down then like, "Oh, damn.". Like, yeah, you you're about that life. You know, you never experienced that. Um. >> uh. >> but you know like but I mean I could. conclude this thought with like. >> Candace Owens does such a bad job and.

she divides so many people and this is. why like even me with I said like I I I. think that we should question the. Charlie Kirk thing. I really do. I think. we should always question you should. question everything. But when Candace is. going there and like like saying like. connecting these dots and making these. things of like the pager, the this that. the that all you're doing is splintering. the fact of the matter is the fact of. the matter is is you you're just you're. the fact that a [ __ ] [ __ ] lost his.

mind, shot Charlie. There's no Israel. conspiracy. There's no Israel lobby. You. don't need that conspiracy to say that. Apac is bad. They don't even need that. involvement. Apac is bad. Apac is bad. for America. They love. >> I understand what you're saying. I mean, you're basically you're saying that, you. know, that what's happening is extremely. divisive and and it can almost be. discrediting, but I think I think like I. said, I think Candace is on to some.

things. I don't agree with everything. she says. I don't I don't think I even. need to say that. But I do think that uh. at heart Candace is trying to do the. right thing. And uh. >> Oh, you think she believes it? You don't. think she's doing an Alex Jones skit? >> I think that uh she's she was very close. with Charlie and that really hurt her. and that she wants to figure out what. the hell this is all about and why. certain things don't make sense. I also. find I also find it so awkward like Ben. Shapiro and [ __ ] all like all these.

right-wing influencers are like raising. their hand like I know what Charlie. wanted. I was his best friend. Like to. me like I can't wrap my head around. people using this guy's death is like a. >> Oh, that's I know she's close with I. know her and like Charlie were close, but like when you're always like these. are the text messages we used to sex. like you know I'm just saying like like. it's like what are you doing dude? like. just let the [ __ ] guy die. Like move. the [ __ ] on. And again, I I think you. should question it. And I'm happy people. are questioning it, but.

when the average American hears a [ __ ]. like Candace Owen says, they're not like. it pushes them away from it. You're. like, well, wait a minute. But like me, when I tell you, hey, when I when I. explain to you why Apac, why Marilyn. add, why George Soros is bad for America, I. could I could articulate it and I could. explain to you in a way that you can. grasp it and say, "Hey, yeah, you know. what? Maybe we should just shouldn't. vote for Apac candidates. Maybe George.

Soros isn't the best. Maybe uh maybe. Marilyn Add. like or maybe Apac giving Trump, you. know, $300 million is not good." And. maybe that is why Trump was forced or. manipulated to Iran. Because when you. take the military-industrial compacts, you take Israel, you take all the. donations, you take the people in his. inner circle, I could see how they can. manipulate him into doing this, which is. good for big business and oil. I could. see how that happens. And if you could. dissect that and make it rational and.

you can unpack it, now you can start. identifying, okay, well, Marilyn. Allison's bad. Apac is bad. The. military-industrial complex is bad. But. you don't have to go so far as to make. it seem like some crazy [ __ ] thing. Cuz the moment you go on that water, you. lose a mass portion of the same country. >> The moment you start telling them all. this [ __ ] like, "Oh, dude, like 911. [ __ ] the Jews did 911." I don't care. if they did or didn't. The moment you. tell a big portion of this country that.

happened, they're gone. They're [ __ ]. out. You got to break it down and. present it in a more destable. way. You know what I'm saying? And. Candace doesn't. She. >> Best way to do things is to present. people with information and let them. make their own decisions. >> Yeah, dude. But people are [ __ ]. stupid though, dude. Like and I I know. like like people are so [ __ ] stupid. Like when I when I try to explain like. economics and legal immigration to. people to these liberals and I'm I'm. telling them how much harder it's made. your life, they say, "Well, yeah, but.

Trump is bad. Orange man's bad. People. are [ __ ] stupid, dude." But you also. can't blame people for being stupid. Like me and you, dude. We have jobs. We. don't have a [ __ ] job. Like this is. your job. Your job is to go online and. research and look [ __ ] up and talk to. people. You think the guy doing an. average eight hour job doing. construction, going home to his [ __ ]. wife, you know, going, she's working to. two kids. >> You think that motherfucker's. going on Reddit forums and looking at. YouTube and trying to figure out No, he. doesn't. >> Just trying to get through the day. >> They're trying to get through the.

[ __ ] day. Like, when you go talk to. real rednecks, >> they don't give a [ __ ] about anything, dude. They just like, "Dude, I just got. done work. I want to go hunt.". >> Yep. >> Like, I don't give a [ __ ] about this. I'm sick of my I don't want my oil. like. the the orange man said that my I would. have a better way of life if I [ __ ]. voted for him, you know? So, but and so. when I say people are stupid, I'm saying. you cannot be informed. >> or being misled. >> and be a normal person. So, when you. have people like Candace go and have. these like [ __ ] And do Candace by the.

way, she [ __ ] crushes it. She looks. at you all [ __ ] stone eye, dude. All. [ __ ] wideeyed. She's like, "Let me. tell you.". And you was like, "Damn, Candace." Like, yeah, I believe it, dude. The [ __ ]. juice killed Charlie. Like, you [ __ ]. sold me, Candace. She looks at you all. straight face with her [ __ ] makeup. that's done perfectly. You're like, damn. Yeah, Candace. >> Have you met her? >> No. No. I'm sure I like her, though. >> You should meet her. [laughter]. I like you guys together. >> But I just don't know. I don't know if. she's doing the Alex Jones thing where.

like Alex Jones I think believes it, but. he like created a character. Like, are. you creating a character that you know. sells? Because imagine like in this day. and age too, you're one of the few. people that excel by not being um a. clown. And I don't mean that Candace is. a clown, but I mean, you know, you do. have some really [ __ ] crazy takes, but like imagine if Candace just. prevented she's a she's appealing to. those [ __ ] radical conspiracy. theorist incelss and say they're only.

like a fraction of the percent of. America. But if you could have one. dollar from a fraction of the percent of. America, you made a [ __ ] ton of money. So you're appealing to these like these. kind of like, oh yeah, dude, I'm on the. Reddit. like you're appealing to these. and you're just like and I just find it. like you're making money but it's like. it's wrong. It's not wrong. It's just. like maybe she does believe it. I don't. know, dude. Maybe she does. I don't. [ __ ] know, dude. >> I'll link you guys together. You guys. sort this [ __ ] out. >> Yeah, we go we go shoot some guns, bro.

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After your purchase, they'll ask how you. found them. Please show your support and. let them know we sent you. >> Now, I've always wondered how I would. do, and I think I do [ __ ] horribly, but how I would do like say you were in. like we had to clear this house and we. had to like and be in a gunfight. And I. think like like I know I could shoot. well, but I had never been shot at. And. I think that's what separates like the. boys from the [ __ ] men, right? Cuz. you've been shot at a lot. You know what.

it's like to have bullets of whis by. your [ __ ] head. Like you know what. that's like. I don't know what that's. like. So like you could go shoot a. [ __ ] piece of cardboard all day long. and you could clear a [ __ ] room. >> I remember the first time I got shot. out. I didn't even know what the hell. was going on. >> [laughter]. >> We were we were in Iraq. [clears throat] and we were setting up. these we were setting up a bunch of. different sniper positions and uh so I. was a point man and we went and we. cleared this whole building which wound. up being vacant and then me and my buddy.

went up to the rooftop to get a vantage. point. This is like 2 3:00 in the. morning. and we're on nods and we're up there. like we I used to chew to I used to. chew, you know, dip. >> Yeah. So, up there having a dip, just. talking about how we can't wait for it. all to go down. and. we're just shooting the [ __ ] and we're. like tactics had go. It was a dumbass. thing. We're just standing there on a.

[ __ ] rooftop so anybody could see our. silhouette, but there was no moon. There. was no So, I guess you wouldn't really. see a silhouette. Anyways, whatever. We. shouldn't have been doing that. And I. remember we're sitting there talking. and. I thought there was a billboard above me. and it's it it sounded like somebody was. taking like a yard stick and smacking. the billboard like it was like like that. like a snack. >> the round hitting the round. >> And I'm like what the hell? I'm like.

what the hell is that noise? Who's. smacking the billboard above us? And we. look up and there's no [ __ ]. there's no billboard. I'm like, "Holy. [ __ ] we're getting whizzing by." Or is. that crack in the side of the building? >> It was. No. No. I was That's the crack. when it goes when it goes over your. head, that's the crack you hear. You. just hear this snap. Like a. >> If you ever been in like a gunfight, like, you know, I always say like what. like what separates a seals is like they. create conditions to win. Like if you. look at every time a seal like any any. at least a publicized SEAL operations,

they they created the condition to win. Like the Osama raid, like that was a. they created the perfect condition. If. you ever been in a gunfight where like a. legit legitimate like you're on one side. of a like a legitimate like I'm looking. at you, you have a gun, I have a gun, and you're in a gunfight. >> I've never been in a situation where. I've been point blank distanced to. somebody and they had a gun and I had a. gun. >> Yeah. Well, not point blank, but you.

know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I'm about to get into like like you see. a cop shootout where you're like, I can. see this [ __ ] He's shooting at. me. I'm hitting reload, returning fire. at him. Like maybe like a a 30, 40 yard. engagement. >> Yeah. I don't think we shot anybody, >> especially on that deployment. Everybody. was within 50 yards. >> No [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Yeah. I remember one time uh.

one time we were it was rural Iraq and. we were we were like gillied up in the. bushes and [ __ ]. in this town that was like I don't know. 150 yards south of us was black black it. was a black site or black town which. means no no US personnel could go in fly. over do any of that and they were. basically what these guys were doing was. they would come out and they would um. blow up all the main supply routes, the. MSR routes. And so and these poor army.

guys just kept getting killed. I mean, it was like every week, you know, more. and more of them were getting killed and. they couldn't figure out how to take. care of it. So they brought us in and uh. you know we did like an assessment and. some surveillance and and. [clears throat] we had set up all these. hide sites along this MSR road main. supply route and gueyed up and we had we. were so well hidden we had goats like.

local goat herders their goats were. coming up and like eating the hay that. we had put into our ghillie suits. and we [clears throat] spent I don't. know 24 hours there I think everybody I. think every time we went out, we got the. guys within 24 hours. And. so. here's the road. And so we were set up kind of on the. side of the road. There was three or. four sites, you know, where snipers. were. And then we have like kind of like. a command element. They call it the C2.

element back here. That's kind of um. they're in charge of the they're like. the the command element. And they had. had a goat herder or not goat herders, they had a line of five guys walk right. behind them with AKs and um. um bombs. They were going to shovels, AKs, bombs. And they're like, "Oh shit." Like here. they come. And they're they're like. walked right over the top of my buddies.

like like like. >> right behind them. Walked right over the. top of them. Here's the road. They start. digging on the road [clears throat]. and dude, I don't know how they didn't. see us, but and I didn't I didn't shoot. on this one cuz I didn't have v. visibility, but uh all of a sudden I. just heard all this gunfire and I was. like, "Oh shit." Like we're suppressed. >> Yeah. >> You know, we're and I was like we. couldn't get anybody on the radio was.

like, "What the [ __ ] going on? What. happened?" And um no response. No. response. And so me and my sniper. partner are like back to back and we're. like, [gasps]. "All right, like this is it. I guess. everybody's dead." And um like they. obviously know we're here, so they're. going to wind up getting online. And. that whole that this village was like, like I said, it's only 150 yards. I'm. like, they're going to wind up getting. online and just clearing through this. whole valley or burning us out of here. They'll burn the the the field out to.

chase us out of here. And I remember thinking like, well, we're just going to die. Like, so we'll. just take as many of these [ __ ] out. as we can. And um. and then uh my buddy. uh he owns a company now called Gorilla. Vanilla Security. or Vanilla Gorilla Security or some. [ __ ] His name's Ben Wallock. And uh he. comes over the radio and he just goes,

"Holy [ __ ] we just killed the [ __ ] out. of those guys." And I was like, "I was I. mean that was like the best [ __ ]. feeling in the world." And uh so what. had happened is the unsuppressed shots. uh I guess was them. And then we had. some army guys, like regular infantry. army guys that we had brought out to. train with us. Like we were like, "Hey, this is how we do business. we want to. pass this knowledge on to you so that we. can move on to the next unit. >> That wasn't so for them to hang out with.

you guys. >> 18-year-old kid, man, got his first kill. that day. But what had happened was. um these guys were they had planted the. bombs and then our guys we started. shooting them and. >> just like you just you just [ __ ]. >> well they thought they thought they were. getting shot from this side of the road. because they had just walked this whole. distance and walked right over the guys. >> So they thought they were getting shot. from this side of the road. So they when.

they when they tried to retreat, they. ran right back at us. and we were using green tip at the time. Do you know green tip? >> Aren't they like for like a armor. >> armor piercing rounds? We're using green. tip at the time and the guys did not. even realize they were getting shot. >> No [ __ ] You could just see like the. shoulders flinging back and running and. it they got so close they had to come. out of the weeds like out of the bushes, stand up and start engaging that way and.

then they they eventually they dropped. and then we switched to we switched from. green tip. We started using 77 grain. >> Okay. Why? Just you wanted more like an. impact. >> Well, the thing with the green tip is it. was just flying right through the B. I. mean, when you go to look at it, it's. like little pin holes. You know what I. mean? like little pin holes and so these. got you but with a 77 grain. hollow tip. >> What do you think about the military. switching to the bigger round?

>> Which round? >> Aren't they switching to. >> 6.8? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, you want to shoot it cuz I got it. out there. >> My biggest thing, dude, like I'm not a. [ __ ] war guy, but like you could. watch Ukraine. Like dude, right now I. mean like you want to go watch [ __ ]. war. Like it's it's live stream which is. [ __ ] a crazy time to be alive, right? like literally a Warbian live stream. >> It generally looks like for the average. Joe, you're just putting rounds down. range. So, it's like why do you want to. give guys less rounds that go like. marginally farther? Like it doesn't make. sense to me.

>> Yeah. I mean, what we started doing then. >> for you it does for like a seal guy that. actually is like precision. >> Well, it's also a lot heavier, you know. what I mean? And so, we'll we'll take. that 6.8 out and it's amazing. It's. punching through the range. is punching. through those railroad ties that are at. the back of the wall. >> I got. >> which is insane. >> I got a story like so I'm cutting weight. my first title fight and like dude for. some reason again my my first title. fight in Australia I'm cutting weight to. fight Izzy and dude for some reason the.

weight's just not coming off. Like it's. just not [ __ ] coming off. And like. there's something like there's something. so miserable about cutting weight. And. I'm sure like. like you're in a sauna and you're just. like everything is telling you you got. to get out. Like there's a part of you. it's like man if I die right now I'm. cool. Like this is cool dude. Like [ __ ]. this. I'm over this. Like I'm good. I. mean there there's a misery to it that I. wish people would experience cuz it's. kind of awesome. So. security always hires me security. Yeah,

I hit I [ __ ] I hit a fan and then uh. after that, dude, they like they not. security for me, it's security for other. people cuz they're like someone's in. some say [ __ ] to Sean. He's in a fight. and the fight's going to get cancelled. So, I always have security now. But, uh so I'm sitting there in this. [ __ ] sauna and I talk to my buddy. Luke and I guess like I don't know what. he was but he was like the um equivalent. to like a Navy Seal in Australia. He. like he was telling me about like the. school he went to was locked in a. [ __ ] box for a few days.

>> like you know. >> ass guy. >> Yeah, he's something like that. So. anyways, Luke, one of the coolest guy. you want to talk about somebody who has. like a a deep [ __ ] passion for. murder. To tell you something about. Luke, we're walking down and he's a. really like buttoned up like big strong. Australian man. Didn't really smile, didn't really joke. and he was talking. to a a story about how like his buddy. didn't murder somebody and it was the. only time I seen him show like. expression of disappointment that like.

he had an opportunity to murder like a. bad guy and he didn't do it and like. Luke was like [ __ ] we'll see I was. [laughter] like all right Luke so. anyways I'm in a sauna I'm cutting. [ __ ] weight I'm miserable and I say. hey Luke what's something miserable. you've done like you know like talk to. us Luke I want to know about you man. like tell me something miserable like. tell me the most miserable you've been. in life. And I was expecting like when I. said that question, I was wanting him to. say like, "Oh, well, one time, you know, I was locked in a box in training and. like some [ __ ] Asian [ __ ] was like.

smacking my ass with a [ __ ] you. know, I heard that story later was. smacking me with a whip." No, that. wasn't the story I got. He was like, "Well, Sean, let me tell you was in. Afghanistan once.". I was like, "Oh, [ __ ] dude." I said, "This not the story I wanted to hear.". And he goes, "We were driving and our convoy got hit. with an RPG. and I'm wearing my translator all over. me. I'm just covered in him." He goes, "We get out cuz we're in mobile and we. have to hike like 5 kilometers, whatever.

the [ __ ] that is, you know, freedom. math." And he goes, "And as we're. hiking, we're laying in a ditch taking. fire and I'm covered in the blood of my. translator. And I remember laying there. holding my gun as like we're in this. firefight that I'm I'm okay to like. today's the day I'm going to die, but. I'm I'm at peace with it. Like I'm I am. so miserable. This is so bad that like. if I die here, like I'm okay with this. And like me and all these fighters, dude, we're sitting there just cutting. weight like [ __ ] speechless as this.

guy's telling us this like and he said. it like I'm saying it as a a joke, but. he's saying like I mean he's like. bearing his soul in this story and we're. all cutting weight like just like jaws. open like yeah dude like what do I say. to that? Like I'm a [ __ ] [ __ ] Like. I get it, dude. All right, point proven. Zip up the [ __ ] sauna, dude. I'm. going to shut the [ __ ] up now. I'm a. [ __ ] [ __ ] Like point proven. But. like when you when you hear some stories. that people gone through, oh my god, dude.

>> Yeah. >> But even even like the Ukraine war, like. you're watching that. There's a video. online of a guy getting in a knife. fight. You see that? It's literally like. two guys a knife fight and like the last. thing as he dies is like kind of like. >> you did good. And like I mean it's. [ __ ] wild. Like the Ukraine war. being being televised or being live. streamed. I mean, I can't wrap my head. around that. Like, you can go on YouTube. right now and you can watch firefights, battle, tank maneuvers, drone footage.

It's like, we live in such a [ __ ]. crazy world that like I I hope it. vilifies war even more. But who knows? But yeah, man. So anyways, long story. short, I was saying I really like to get. in a gunfight, but hopefully against the. seal because I think I'd be a little. [ __ ] about it, you know? Cuz you watch. cops every now and then do a cop will. get in a gunfight and like a legitimate. gunfight where like the guy's getting. fire and he's returning fire and he'll. [ __ ] put his mag up and he'll hit his. reload and he'll rack and then you watch. some guys. >> I mean dude, the thing is like I mean.

look, I don't know if you'll rise to the. occasion or not. I would I would think. you would considering what you do. >> You watch some guys that like they're. like snowman. You mean when you're. fighting? I mean, when when you're in a. fight and you're getting your ass beat, is there is there a is there do you hit. a point where you're like, >> you don't even think about it. >> where you're like, >> well, I'm [ __ ] in this now. And so, there's no getting out of this. So, >> like, there's only one choice. You either keep. going or you don't. And you have to make. a mental decision. You have to I'm going.

to keep going or I'm not. And. >> but how do you like the urge to flinch. dude when you get around [ __ ] like. how's how do you fight that urge like. >> it slows down? >> Yeah. I know. I mean, it's one of those. things I I just don't know if you know. I don't know if you're that kind of Have. you ever seen a seal? Have you ever seen a seal in a gunfight. and be a little like like I don't want. to say like I don't I don't want to say. [ __ ] dude, because you're not you're a. seal in a gunfight, but have you ever. have you ever been with a seal and you. got in a gunfight and you're like,

"You're right, dude." [snorts]. >> Mhm. >> No [ __ ]. >> It happens at all levels, man. And they. just like what is it just more of like. they get flinchy? They get like more of. like I don't want to [ __ ] like I. don't want to pop my head around the. corner. >> You mean like straight froze? No. No. I've seen people freeze. I've seen. people hide in bathtubs. I've seen. [laughter]. I've seen it all, you know, but I mean a.

lot of times first time, you know, it's. uh. >> I think that's the benefit of. experience, right? You've been in a lot. of [ __ ] gunfights, so like you're. probably really comfortable somebody. shooting at you. as comfortable as you. can be. >> It's I mean I used to say I'd rather be. face down in a ditch with bullets flying. over me than public speaking. [laughter]. So that was home to me. Now it's not. Now I wonder how I would uh now now I. wonder like how how would I react after. all these years. >> When I was younger, dude, I almost. killed somebody. I mean, I was like.

seconds away from murdering this guy. There's a party and um my buddy invited. me over. And um [ __ ] so he like I'm at I'm at. this party. It's kind of a weird party. I didn't never really want to be there. It was kind of strange. The people there. weird. So my buddy starts wrestling me. and like I kind of hit him with a hip. toss and he puts his [ __ ] and I was. in I was younger, bro. I mean I. literally wanted to die. Like I had a. death wish. So I he puts a hole in the. wall. Girl comes downstairs and says uh.

says, "Hey, you got to pay for it." And. I at this moment I'm like apologetic. Hey, sorry dude. My bad. Like I was like. 18 years old. Like I didn't do it. He. did it. I'll leave, but I'm not paying. for it. Comes downstairs again as I'm. walking towards the door. Says, "Hey, you know what? My boyfriend. says you have to." But she had it. She. said it in a way of like fear and. threatening. Like she was fearful, but. she also was like threatening me. And I. was like, "Well, no. You want to tell. your boyfriend if he wants to come. [ __ ] pay for it, he can come down, suck my dick, and earn it." I said, "No,

this [ __ ] guy." This guy [ __ ] come. downstairs with a 12 gauge shotgun. Boom. racks it. >> [ __ ] idiot put too close to my head. >> So I put my hands up, right? And the. door's like over there and I'm like, "Dude, like man, like and like I knew in. my head like I knew what I was going to. do. Like I was either going to die here. right now or I was going to [ __ ] this. guy up. So I put my hands up like dude, I'm so sorry, man. Like I'm like looking. down like I'm so sorry, dude. Just like. let me go home. Let me go home. And like. I [ __ ] he's like calling me a [ __ ]. [ __ ] Boom. I grabbed the gun and just. start [ __ ] drilling him in the face.

I remember there was a piece of drywall. and I started grabbing his head just. slamming his head through the drywall. I. didn't hit a stud and [ __ ] but a hole. Balls down. I He's now like he's on his. knees now after his head and I [ __ ]. push kick him take the shotgun out and. I'm like [clears throat]. [ __ ] as I present it to [ __ ]. [ __ ] put around at him. His [ __ ]. girlfriend, thank [ __ ] God. Because I'm I'm not. beating that case. I'm not beating that. charge. Girlfriend jumps on top of him. and starts begging for his life. And I.

think about this girl all the time. because like if it wasn't for her. jumping on top and begging for his life, I'm getting institutionalized. >> [ __ ] dude. Yeah. >> So, it's like it's kind of weird, dude. I mean, yeah. So, going back to like. gunfights, I think when I think when. you're in it and you're resigned to it. and you're just real focused, like. there's nothing you can't do or like you. can overcome. Yeah. Oh, and to answer. your question, when you're in a fight. and you're getting a living [ __ ] kicked. out of you, and you know you're going to. lose, you just tell yourself,

one, I don't want to get finished, so. I'm not going to be a [ __ ] And two, maybe I get lucky. The only thing you're. thinking about is like, maybe I could. get lucky. It only takes one. >> So, you still have the will to fight. >> Yeah. Like, I know I'm not going to win. I know I've lost every round. Maybe I. get lucky. Just put your hands up and. maybe you get lucky. [laughter]. Have you gotten lucky? >> Uh, no. I've got the [ __ ] kicked out. I'm not getting the [ __ ] kicked out of. me. [laughter]. No, I just continue to get the [ __ ]. kicked out of me.

[laughter]. >> Yeah. No. No. Never, dude. Yeah. No. >> What is your mindset when you walk into. a fight? Actually, hold on. Before we. move on, you know, Sean, I'm a fan and I need you. to sign something, but it's probably not. going to be the typical thing you sign. I love that you got kicked out of. Trump's 80th birthday party. >> Oh, [clears throat] let's go, man. >> So, uh I'm going to use the show as the. uh. >> certificate of authenticy. >> Let's go.

>> Actually, by the way, you know, I I joke. these guys, they did detain me and they. did like they did trespass me and I. don't think they even charged me, but. these guys these marshals saved my. [ __ ] life. >> Dude, when I saw that I was like, "Holy. [ __ ] I'll bet those dudes loved doing. that.". >> Oh, dude. and they they saved my [ __ ]. life. [laughter] So like what people. don't understand is when you're in a. crowd. Like I mean I'm sure if you've done. security and you've wor crowds like. >> Thank you. >> You understand how people die. Let's go.

dude. Yeah. And by the way those. marshals so like. if you guys are watching this man thank. you. You guys saved my [ __ ] life. >> They're watching. So, so dude, when you're in a crowd, the. first time I was in a crowd, and I've. experienced this, I was at a UFC fan. expo and I just thought it was like gay. and lame and I didn't want to do it. So, I walked in a crowd like, "This is. [ __ ] gay, dude. I want to go fight a. fan or do something fun." And then like. they start forming around you and. they're like everything just like.

there's a wall of people around you. And. I remember telling this guy, "Hey, dude, like back the [ __ ] up." And like he had. so much fear on his face because he. couldn't back up because he's in this. crowd of a wall of people. He's like, "Dude, I can't." And at that moment, you're like, "Oh man, I understand how. people die in a crowd." So what happened. is I was like, once I snuck in, I was. like, you know, I'm going to try to be. like real like undercover. And then once. I was made by the fans, like if if I. didn't jump in that ring, people would. have died. You're talking about.

thousands of people would gather around. you and they start pushing and pushing. and pushing and you create this wall of. [ __ ] people. So when I jumped in the. ring, it was like this is the only place. I could go where I walk and die. >> Wow. >> Because I just elevated their sides. So. I was like, well, at least I'm safe in. this in this ring. And then once the. marshals came to get me out, I mean we. they were fighting people back. like. they were shoving people, checking. people that like if it wasn't for them,

somebody could have died by me being. there. And I mean, I feel like an. [ __ ] in the process, but I I didn't. even think about that. I was like, I'm. just going to hide in and walk. But like. crowds, man, they're So those marshals, dude, we're talking about these big. cornfed [ __ ] people, dude. They were. just checking fans, dragging people out. I'm shoving fans off me. >> So yeah, if it wasn't for them, dude, somebody would have died. They they 100%. saved someone's life that day. >> [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Have you ever been in the middle. of a crowd? Oh yeah. Bunch of times. Like it's just it's like the that's the. scariest [ __ ] One you can't you can't.

identify. >> I mean there's so many people. >> But for me it's more the comp like you. take one person that weighs 150 lb 200. lb. Now you add a thousand of them. pushing on each other. You create this. wall. That's why people like get. trampled and stuff get in crowds like. you just [ __ ] die. But yeah those. marshals man they they [ __ ] saved my. life dude. So anyways that's awesome. Marshalls. Thank you guys. What happened. there? I got to know the story. So, you. know, so frame this and put it in the. studio. >> Yeah. So, Trump uh the UFC was like,

"Hey, you know, you want to go you want. to go? I want to go to the fight." So, I. bought tickets. So, my girls family's up. there. I had to go tell them something. So, I I already planned the trip. Like, you know, I'll just make a [ __ ]. detour. So, I made a detour. And then. Hunter called me and was like, "Hey, you. know, you didn't get cleared, man. Sorry." Like the White House wouldn't. clear you. And mind you, I of course. they didn't [ __ ] clear me. I was. shocked when I was shocked when Hunter. said I could go in the first place.

Well, yeah, of course they're looking at. my [ __ ] tweets. Like, yeah, [laughter] you're not going to [ __ ]. clear me. They're not going to let me go. So, I. wasn't surprised, right? But then I told. the UFC, well, like, dude, at least let. me go to the FanFest. Like, let let me. go to like to the gates and like go hang. out with fans. Like, I'm already there. Like, let me go say what's up. And the. UFC [ __ ] boom. I was like, "Hey, you. know, like why don't you guys just give. me like some security so I can go say. what's up? UFC." Nothing. Nothing. And. then even my manager reached out to him. like, you know, Sean's going to sneak in.

and go, right? And like, can you give. him security? Like, ah, sorry, we can't. Damn. >> So, it's like they uh and I still was. like, "Fuck it. I'm still going to go. anyways, you But yeah, I know the UFC, the Trump administration. I think I was. just salty for the UFC because like. Trump blacklisted me from the White. House, but the UFC blacklisted me from. the whole event. They didn't give me. security. Yeah. They didn't give me. exerted. They didn't give me passes. There was like a big fan event where all. the fighters went. They didn't let me. go. But they would have [ __ ] known. I.

mean, I don't blame the UFC cuz I would. have been up there with a microphone. like, "Hey guys, these [ __ ]. pedophiles. What are you [ __ ] doing. here? [ __ ] Trump, dude. How many how. many times is your name in the list? So. I I can't blame them, you know. >> Are you the one that said, "Why would I. go fight for a bunch of pedophiles?". >> Uh yeah, I think I said like something. like that. Like I mean, so everyone's like, "Well, why did you. want to go?" I'm like, "Dude, I could. separate politics and fighting." Like, it's cool. It's at the [ __ ] White. House, man. It's a once in a-lifetime. event. Of course, I'd [ __ ] go. But I.

I don't blame the UFC and I don't blame. the White House because. [ __ ] Trump's a priest [ __ ] And I. would have definitely have said that on. live TV. >> Mhm. >> And they would have been a big [ __ ]. show. So I don't blame anybody. >> Right on, man. >> I I own it. I [ __ ] own it. [snorts]. >> I love it. So what are you getting ready. for? When are you going to fight again? >> H right now. So I have this AC joint. separation. It's not bad, dude. I just. need probably a couple more months just. to let it heal up. Like I mean you'll.

see me rubbing it right now. Just. [ __ ] throbbing. But dude, I don't know, man. It's all. about money. You know, people talk about. like who's to fight, who do you want to. fight? I don't give a [ __ ] Just pay me. Well, I'll [ __ ] fight anybody, dude. I'll go fight. I'll go I'll go to. heavyweight if you pay me well. So, fighting to me is really just a job and. I like the fans. >> Well, Poly Market got you is the. favorite to still be middleweight champ. at the end of 2026. You're leading the. odds. How do you see the rest of 2026.

playing out? >> Oh, how do I bet, dude? I should just. [ __ ] ride the bench in 2026. [laughter]. >> And what are you hoping for? No, I mean. with my shoulder heels up, I fight. I. like fighting, dude. I like even, you. know, going back to like the who I am as. a person. I am better when I'm in camp. Like, so me being injured out of camp, I'm [ __ ] Dude, like I'm like I'm not. doing well. Like like [laughter] I'm not. doing [ __ ] well. Like I was in. Florida. I'm not doing well. Like I'm. not doing well. I like I'm trying to. create enemies I don't have. I'm trying.

to pick fights that aren't there. Like. everybody's out to [ __ ] get me right. now. And I'm I'm fully aware that like I. I'm in limbo because of my injury. So me. being in limbo, I'm just like I just I'm. [ __ ] just spiraling, you know? I'm. just like trying to. >> You don't do well in idol. >> [ __ ] no, dude. I need to have something. to fight. I need to have some kind of. misery. I need to have something like I. need to force myself to die. I need to I. need to wake up every day and be like, I. want this to be over. That's where I'm. at my best. this where I'm like, you.

know, whatever I want. I I [ __ ] hate. this. Yeah. Like start twitching and. [ __ ] and start [ __ ] twitching. >> Dude, I I hope you start helping kids, man. You could you could have a lot of. power for future generations. >> My My girl hates it. She doesn't hate. it, but like. >> I'm like I'm really [ __ ] twitchy and. I hide it so well in public, but like. >> I'm so [ __ ] Do you Do you have any. twitches or like ticks or anything like. that? Uh-huh. >> So, like sometimes like I think about. thoughts a lot and like they make me.

feel uncomfortable and I don't think I. know how to process emotions. So, like a. be sitting there having a conversation. like [ __ ] like just like Twitch. I'm. like [laughter] what the [ __ ] is wrong. with you? I'm like I can't help it. I. can't [ __ ] help it. I try not to. I. can't [ __ ] help. >> When does it come out the most? Crowds. >> Crowds. A lot of when. >> people you don't know. >> a lot of but also a lot when I'm around. my girl. I twitch a lot more around her. >> No [ __ ] because I think I'm trying to. like hide who I am, right? So, like I. have all these thoughts in my head that.

are like usually really [ __ ] up. thoughts. Like I've like like real. [ __ ] up thoughts. So, like. >> you think she doesn't know this? >> No, she knows it. But like it makes me. so uncomfortable. that uh that like I just like I think it. just manifests itself in like a physical. reaction because like they saw I'm. looking at my wife and they're so. [ __ ] uncomfortable and so [ __ ] up. that like I think it just manifests. itself in a uh in a way. I used to be. able like I still do every now and then. if I really have a bad thought. and I say bad thought it could be.

anything like a shameful thing I've. done, a shameful thing I want to do. I. used to just visualize I I say used to I. [ __ ] do it all the time still. But. every time I have a thought, you guys. try and I help you. Every time I have a. thought I can't get out of my head, I. visualize myself shooting myself in the. head and like I always visualize the. same thing. I just like I'll be talking. to I'll be talking to my wife. I'm just. sorry. I just think about like the slow. motion like bullet just like entering. and fracturing and expanding and I think. about the actual visual image of it and.

it like I just focus on that thought, dude. And like it just blanks me out. >> Holy [ __ ] [laughter] And then and then. if then if the thought is and then if. the thought's too big and I can't get it. out, I'll even just like touch my head a. little bit just like and I visual once I. I put my finger on my head and I could. like put my finger on the temple and I. could actually like see the trajectory. of the bullet coming out and like it. just blanks my mind right out. >> Whoa. >> But it just helps dude. It just helps. >> Dude, that is dark. Well, I mean it just.

helps cuz like you just like it's such. an extreme like it's such an extreme. visual and mental image. It just all. whatever I'm thinking about now and the. moment I start focusing on that it just. takes everything away. >> Do you think how did you meet your wife? >> No. Funny enough, dude. We actually met. I mean this was like Tinder. >> Yeah, Tinder. 7 years ago. >> Oh [ __ ] Are you serious? >> But so I wasn't as famous back then, right? I was like, "Dude, >> did you really meet her on Tinder?". >> Yeah. I was just trying to get But see,

I was just trying to get laid, dude. No, I was just trying to get [ __ ] laid. Like, I was trying to get laid. >> What was your profile pick? >> I don't know, dude. I don't think I. really It was just me like on I think it. was me riding a horse or something, dude. I was like I tried to make myself. look non-threatening, dude. I wanted to. be fun, but non-threatening, right? [laughter] That's what you want. No, >> this is me not being a psychopath. >> Yeah. No, you don't find out about after. you're already [laughter] trapped. So, anyways, I. >> I like horses. >> Yeah, I like horses. Yeah, I'm a good. guy. So anyways, I I meet her.

and um and I always laugh because if you. go back to our first meeting and say, "Hey, like you guys are going to be. married one day." We would both look at. each other and be like, "Are you [ __ ]. retarded?" Like what the [ __ ] So my. girl, by the way, I had this old shitty. Nissan [ __ ] up truck and she sees I'm. sitting on my truck and like she's dude, she's really together. Two degrees. Her. dad is like in the go [ __ ] yourself. wealthy category. Like I had to sign a. prenup. Like like I had to sign a prenup. just cuz you know how rich people work.

Like rich people put assets in different. names. So it's like the dad was like. [laughter] you're not letting this. [ __ ] you're not letting this. [ __ ] anywhere near my money. [laughter]. and he's looking at his daughter. Are. you serious with this [ __ ] So dude and. like we had this conversation once. Oh. man, I'll tell you a funny story. So I. had monkey pox the first time I met him. Chris Kurt is no racism. I don't think. I've ever met anybody that's had.

monkeys. [laughter]. >> Yeah. No, dude. Yeah. So, I'm in the I'm. in the gym, dude. I'm in the gym and my. buddy Chris Kurt is black guy. Not. monkey play. Just [laughter] happened to. be black, you know? So, I'm in the gym. and he has like some spots on. I'm like, "Bro, that don't look right." And mind. you, this guy's like one of my closest. friends. Me and him get in fights all. the time, like fist fight. We've. probably been in five fist fights. Like, we we fight. He's a dirty [ __ ]. liberal, you know? But uh we get we get. in a fight all the time. Like, "Dude, you got some like weird spots on you. Like, are you okay?" He's like, "Oh,

yeah. No, I'm good, dude. Just a. pimple." I'm like, "All right, dude. Like, that's cool. Hopefully the [ __ ]. parents don't watch this." They probably. don't, but So, I was like, "That's cool, dude." And he's out of the gym for like. two [ __ ] weeks. So, my girl. [clears throat] my girl's like old. school. Like, you don't meet her family. Like, guys don't meet the family. Like, my [ __ ] my house wasn't like that, dude. I'm like be [ __ ] 16 years old. having sex up in the [ __ ] room. Like. she'll be walking out half naked past. the family. Like that wasn't how my. family was, dude. Like like we had no.

like we had no boundaries in my family, dude. So So like me and her parents was. a big [ __ ] thing for her. For me, I'm. like, "Oh man, it's weird to actually. date a girl that has a dad." But uh I'm. not really used to that, [laughter] you. know? Usually it's like usually my past. experience is like you got to tell me. how your dad molested you and then I. have to feel real bad about that. But. anyway, >> but I I love it, bro. My girl saved me. from it. >> What' you guys do? What What was the. first date? >> We just went Starbucks. >> Total opposites.

>> No, we just went to Starbucks and hung. out. We talked to about uh it was funny. cuz like me, I'm on my worst behavior. I'm talking to like one of like the. barista guys. I'm like, "You some kind. of [ __ ] You work at Starbucks." He's. like, "No, man. I'm a libertarian. I. like guns." Like my girls are saying. like, "What the [ __ ] upstate New York. girl. So I meet her family, dude. I meet. her [ __ ] family and I like all of a. sudden I have like I'm an emotional guy. I'm an emotional guy just who I am. Like. I don't know why. I just like like uh I. mean I was like dude I talked to this.

vet the other day and I almost started. [ __ ] balling like you know he uh. uh I was at he's like hey you should go. see my brothers at Arlington. Bro, when. he said that and like the way he said. it, dude, even thinking about it, like. it almost [ __ ] me up. Like just. hearing him say that like, "You should. go meet my brothers like at Arland.". Like it [ __ ] it [ __ ] me up, dude. Like even thinking about makes me want. to cry. I'm an emotional guy. So. anyways, I start talking to her and I have no. shame in it, you know? I'm I could be a. [ __ ] some days. So, I start talking to.

her [ __ ] dad. And he starts like. inquiring about my life, about my dad. And mind you, I have this [ __ ] I have. this like massively high fever. [laughter]. cuz the monkey box you get a fever and. then you get the rash. So, like over. dinner, so I'm already not in the right. mindset. I'm [ __ ] jacked up on. caffeine. Um, [clears throat]. and like I probably have like 103 fever. I'm just trying to keep it together. And.

I start talking about my childhood. My. brother raised me. Like my brother is. like for all rights or wrong or. indifferent. Like he [ __ ] he raised. me like he he raised me. And I started. telling the story. I'm going to try to. keep my [ __ ] together when I tell the. story. I'm going try to keep it. together, guys. Don't [ __ ] I'm going. to keep my [ __ ] together. I can't look. when I say it. So there was one day my. brother strapped like knives. I mean, we're talking about like elementary. school. strap knives to his like his. pants and his plan was to go sit next to.

my dad and stab him. [ __ ] me. >> Damn, dude. >> So, I'm like telling the story and I got. to stay animated because if I actually. feel it, you know, I'm going to break me. down. So, if I stay animated, I just. like I'm good. Think about the bullet. Think about the bullet. So I'm telling. the story and like I just started crying. and mind I had a high fever, you know, but like I was like just trying to. explain to him what it was like and I. just started first time parents [ __ ]. crying trying to keep my [ __ ] together. cuz I was telling that story. >> and he he asked me like I didn't it was. no unsolicited advice. I was just trying.

to explain him and I also had a really. high [ __ ] fever like [laughter] I was. mildly delirious. >> Yeah. First time I met her parents I had. like a [ __ ] breakdown. Not a. breakdown. And it was just more of just. like, yeah, no, it's my brother raised. me and they just need a sick, one sick. and then Yeah. So then I go home. >> What does he say to that? >> He due to his life, they're like when. you my girls family, I mean the dad was. the grandfather on the mom's side, beloved in the town. They have like. soccer, they have like golf tournaments.

She was a coach at like some good. college. World War II vet, P, Battle of. the Bull. phrase in his honor. Her dad. her dad's a business owner. He inherited. the business. Like you know what I'm. saying? They have like they have they. have a long lineage lineage of like. success and stability. My lineage is. like [ __ ] mental illness and. permanent disability. So it's like, [laughter] you know, he has to kind of. wrap his head around that. I told him.

>> married into similar families. >> Yeah. Right. >> My father-in-law kind of same deal. And. uh yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah, dude. I mean, you're [ __ ]. extremely worried, but dude, you're an. American [ __ ] hero, my man. Like, >> I don't think that's how they saw it. >> Well, don't don't show the Columbia. part. [snorts] So, anyways, I go break I have. a breakdown, dude. I go home and like I. wake up. I I tell I texted my girl. I'm. like, "Dude, I had to leave. Sorry. I. have a massive fever. I'm [ __ ] up." I. wake up, dude. I have legions all over.

my body from monkey pox. And I called. Kurt. I was like, "You [ __ ]. dude. You motherfucker." [laughter]. >> Damn. Do you get along with them? >> Oh, yeah. No, they're they're [ __ ]. great, dude. They're like um. they're great. They're like like could. not ask for like better [ __ ] in-laws. Do you get along with your in-laws? >> I do. >> Yeah. >> It took a little bit. >> Yeah. I think they still I think they.

would still rather not be with a. daughter. Like I think if they could. snap their fingers, they'd probably say. no. But I mean, whatever, dude. It's. funny. Um I I say this story a lot, but. after we got married, you know, we go. meet him for breakfast and uh and which. I don't blame him. We go meet him for. breakfast and uh he looks at me, we're. saying our goodbyes, you know, and. shakes my hand. And he goes, "Sean, uh, [laughter]. I didn't think you were going to be my. son-in-law, but here we are." And he.

just walks [laughter] the [ __ ] away. >> Holy [ __ ] I just But dude, I know who I. am, bro. Like, I I mean, like I said, I. grew up like I mean, I [ __ ] know who. I am, dude. I'm [ __ ] a high school. dropout. I The only reason why I'm not. [ __ ] institutionalized is cuz I hit. people in the [ __ ] head. Like, I'm a. [ __ ] loser. Like, and now everyone's. like, "Oh, no, no, no. I am like who I. mean, my where I came from." Like, I. mean, girls are getting [ __ ] like I. remember being in [ __ ] like junior.

high and chicks were getting [ __ ]. double teamed in my [ __ ] living room. Like, that's who I came from, right? Like, like, we didn't have [ __ ] like. I mean, we didn't have clean towels, dude. We had like the communal [ __ ]. towel that after like [ __ ] 3 weeks it. turned into this like moldy [ __ ]. mess. Now you're debating, do I take the. sheet off my bed or do I use the moldy. town? I'm going to go take the sheet off. the bed. >> But you know the thing about my parents. too, they were never like we were very. middle class. Like we were very probably. lower. They were like a meat cutters.

They worked at Albertson together. But. when you're white trash, you just. [ __ ] you just spend [ __ ] money. So. by after you got all you know the beer, the alcohol, whatever the [ __ ] else. they're buying, you're just poor. But. it's why like kids too need to start. investing, man. So like, >> dude, I mean, I know you think that of. yourself, but [ __ ] Sean. I'm telling. you, dude. Like, >> I'm so lucky. >> You could have such an impact on today's.

youth. >> I cannot tell you, I am so [ __ ]. lucky. I'm I'm so lucky, dude. Like if I. go back and I look at all my life from. like the the the [ __ ] revolver to. almost shooting the guy and even so much. other that like like you want to talk. about God. like I am so lucky because if any if any. one of these thousand events happened. any other way I would not be here today. or I'd be in a prison cage somewhere. >> Well, I'm glad you just said that. >> Yeah. My girl's dad actually funny one. Christmas best gift he ever gave me. He.

gave me like a $500 check and he handed. me a laptop and I'm like, "That's cool, man. I don't [ __ ] need your money. Like, I don't want your money." He's. like, "No, no, no." And he opened up a. Charles Schwab account and he's like, "You're going to start investing." Like, when my girl met me, I had a million. dollars under a bag in my bed. Like, what am I going to do with it, babe? It's [ __ ] And she was like, "Are you. [ __ ] stupid?" I'm like, "I don't. know." So now I like I start investing. and like it's one of those things I. think one of the things about like when. you meet really wealthy people they.

don't tell you it's so easy to make. money in America. and they they just they don't teach you. that as a kid. So like and I don't mean. like I'm not one of those like people. that are like oh you're [ __ ] stupid. Like like I was trying to explain to my. girl I was like babe you're talking to. me about investing the money. Like do. you think I ever gave a [ __ ] about that? Like, do you think I really do you think. I really had the thought process of. saying, "Hey, if I could put $100 now in. 10 years, it'll be 5,000 10,000." Like,

I didn't I didn't have that thought. process. So, dude, my girl really. changed my life. If it wasn't for her, I'd be in such I'd be in such a bad. place. I'd probably be with some like. [ __ ] porn star only fans girl just. like being a just going deeper into a. cuz I mean even dude even like I mean I. was a piece of [ __ ] and like my once I. like I got like my initial fame it. wasn't because I was a good guy. It was. because like I let people know like dude. I'm a piece of [ __ ] and I love it. Like.

I don't do drugs. I do I do all my. mistakes sober. This is who I am. And my. girl really like. >> really stopped and said like, "You can't be a piece of [ __ ] if you. want to be with me." Which was [ __ ]. real hard. >> Is that the first time you've ever had. exposure to a family like that? >> Oh god. Yeah. It is so [ __ ] weird. And first time she's ever exposure to a. family like me. It's so weird, man, when. you think about like. honestly like after seeing her family. I. don't know if I'm kind of grateful for.

my family [laughter]. cuz you know, dude, the the really rich. whites, bro. It's different. There's. like these there's like these. hierarchies and like they love each. other, but there's like separations from. church and state. Like there's. separation between like I'm the dad, you're the daughter. Like it's a very. like it's not cold, you know? They they. love each other and they do everything. for each other, but it's like a very. cold environment, right? Like right, wrong, or indifferent. Dude, I might. have known who my mom was banging when I.

was in elementary school, but I knew, [laughter] you know, >> so like it was uh Christmas, dude. It. was Christmas with the whites and like. the first Christmas I've ever been to. with the whites, dude. And it was like I. remember sitting there like, "What the. [ __ ] am I doing here?" So like they love. food. White people love food, dude. Like. when you when you saw the whites like I. always saw a story that they go and they. buy these like really nice cheeses and. [ __ ] The whites love cheeses, you know? So they go and they buy like, [snorts].

you know, like a whole basket like this. is like Gouda. This is like a cheese. There's [ __ ] mold on this cheese and. they like cuz it's like a Christmas. thing. So like if you guys ever want to. make a white person happy, get them some. cheese apparently. [laughter]. So, so anyways, they the dad goes, "Well, hey daughter. Um, do you know where. you're like your cheese knives are at?". And she goes, "Oh, dad, sorry." Like, uh,

we just have regular knives. [laughter]. Oh, I don't have a set. And dude, the. dad and she'll look back like, "That's. not how it happened." And the dad looked. at her like, >> "How the [ __ ] do you not have a cheese. knife?". >> How do you not have a cheese knife? I. didn't know there [clears throat] was a. [ __ ] cheese knife, dude. Where's your. security board? So, I'm just sitting. there witnessing all this. Like, the. most upsetting thing about your guys'. day is you don't have a [ __ ] cheese. knife. Like, I mean, what the [ __ ] So, I'm I'm just sitting there like watching. this interaction and I'm just like.

taking it all in and absorbing it and. looking how the whites live. I always. say there's whites and there's whites, bro. And like to her family's eyes, bro, I ain't a [ __ ] white man. Like, I am. like I'm not white. So later. [clears throat] on as a as a dinner. progresses, [laughter] I'm going to get so [ __ ]. I'm going to get yelled at telling these. stories, but whatever. It's good, bro. It's a compliment to your family. I. always tell her like, "Babe, it's a. compliment." I didn't grow up that way. Like you know what I was doing in. Christmas? I was probably trying to. [ __ ] have sex with a [ __ ] upstairs. Like that was not like a It's good.

[laughter]. So they're all like they cook all day. long and they go and they buy like this. nice organic grass grass-fed [ __ ]. prime rib and they're in the backyard. all day long like poking and proddding. this [ __ ] piece of meat. Like oh man, look how tender that is. It's been on. It's been on for this long and I'm just. sitting there like this is the most. boring white ass [ __ ] I've ever did. Like [laughter] we need to fight some. [ __ ] people over, dude. Like give me. a [ __ ] beer bottle that had any day. over this. It's like I would I would.

rather go [ __ ] fight my brother. because he said some [ __ ] than be here. But it's nice. So then we have dinner. and I look around and everyone's real. nice. They're talking about like. investments and stock accounts and you. know the coffee [ __ ] the coffeey's. in. So I'm like, "Hey guys, how do you. guys feel about God?" [laughter]. [clears throat] I'm like, "Yeah." So. like it's the brother. I'm like, "So do. you uh do you do you partake? Do you. believe I mean it is Christmas. do you. believe in baby Jesus? And the mom and.

the mom goes, "Yeah, you know, do you. believe in Christ?" And I'm just. laughing because I'm like, they're so. structured and so uninvolved in each. other's lives that they don't even know. like the belief system of their kids. because there's so many layers of. structure in their lives. You are the. father, you are the mother, you are a. kid. which I think is good to have these. like layers of and like my girl loves. her dad. She's she's a daddy's girl.

Like she she should have been a tomboy, you know? So they start talking about it. and I'm just like absorbing all this. like, huh? Cuz the way I grew up, dude, like our Christmas dinner, dude. Like I. mean, not as an adult, as a kid, my. brother would be like, "Oh, I'm going to. go [ __ ] bang my my girlfriend or this. whore." And like this is a Christmas. dinner con conversation, you know? So. you watch this and you're just like, "Huh? This is how you guys live?" It's really. [ __ ] boring. That's how I feel here.

in this town, by the way. I just walk. around like, "Who [ __ ] am I, dude? Where. are the black people at? Maybe some. blacks. My people." [laughter] No, but uh yeah. So you're with the white. You know, it's. like. >> this is a good town, man. [laughter]. What people care about here is God don't. [ __ ] with our kids. Oh, it's great. >> Everybody's nice to each other. >> Yeah, if we had more god-fearing. rednecks, it's I always say rednecks are. the only thing that will save the. country. Like, we just need more [ __ ].

rednecks. And mind you guys, rednecks. should be a black redneck. You could be. a yellow redneck. I don't give a [ __ ]. But like the the mentality of a redneck, just hardworking, god-fearing people. It's like a dying breed, man. Makes you. real sad. >> Do you think you'll have kids? >> Yeah, I want to have kids. I want to. have kids. Um me and my girl talking. about it. Um she went and got tested. She's all good. We might do IVF. She. doesn't need IVF, but I think you could. pick a boy. And I know God's going to. curse me with a girl. You know what? You.

have a boy, girl. >> I have boy and a girl. >> Yeah. What your first. >> boy first. >> So, >> the Schultz method. The Schultz method, I think, is what they call it. It works. >> What's the Schultz method? >> I'm going to butcher this. My wife, I. just do what she says. >> But we really wanted a boy first. And. there's once you start tracking the what. the ovulation cycle. >> there's there's specific so let me. think. So the boy sperm the male sperm.

is really fast but it dies really quick. >> Got you. >> So. what whatever point during the ovulation. cycle it's you you don't have sex until. until like the egg has dropped. >> Yeah. Yeah. So you have to look this up. so I don't So. >> you gota find the timing. It's the. timing. >> Yeah. So it's the timing. So as soon as. the egg drops, you know, and and they. can like track all this stuff. >> That's when you have sex and then the. male sperm swim to the top and they they.

fertilize the egg and the females are. slower, right? [clears throat]. >> Sure. We had a boy. >> No [ __ ] And then you did the opposite. >> Next one we wanted a girl. >> So So this So with the girl. >> Yeah, but you're religious, bro. Antonio. bone. >> So with the with the girl, with the female, you want to have sex. before the egg drops. And so you have. sex and all the males swim up there as. fast as they can and they die. >> No.

>> And the female ones, they swim slower, but they live longer. So the female ones. are all hanging around in there waiting. for the egg to drop. And then when it. drops, they fertilize the egg. >> Let me tell you now, this has happened. >> [ __ ] worked two times in a row. I know. I I'm calling my girl right now, dude. >> Schultz method. >> Yeah. Know, I just know God will curse. me. >> Now she has to listen to the podcast. [laughter] No, no, don't. I know God. will curse me with a girl. God's going. to look at me. If there is a God, he's. going to look down on me. He's like,

"You think after all the damage you've. done, you get a boy? [ __ ] no. It's time. for you to repent, sir. Have a [ __ ]. girl. God God is something else, man.". But also too, like I would probably. better with a girl because like I think. that I'm probably a little bit too like. hard on on men, you know? >> Yeah, >> I'm kind of but then I'm too soft. I. don't know, man. But well, like so we're. talking about doing IVF and my girl. doesn't want to cuz she get pregnant, but I'm like I really like go spend 50. grand and be able to pick a boy. Like. [laughter] it's kind of worth it. >> Girls are cool. >> I bought trucks for more.

>> You're going to love them both. >> Yeah. No, maybe I should just do it the. old school way. But uh yeah. No, man. I. I want I think one of the hard things. for me. with having a family is I'm kind of. mentally stuck as who I was as a kid. And I know this might say like this. might seem weird to a lot of people and. a lot of people can relate to this, but. like I am a 35year-old grown ass man. Like I know who I am, but mentally. there's a part of me that is still stuck. in that that person. So to actually.

think about like being a dad, waking up. to a kid in the next room, like to like. to raise a kid to be like, you know, better than I am, which really won't be. that hard, right? If I'm if I made it, dude, anybody could [ __ ] make it. [laughter]. But like I a part of me is kind of stuck. in that mentality of who I was when I. was like 16 years old. It's hard for me. to picture that, but I feel like you. just got to do to make the mistake and. just [ __ ] figure it out.

It changes it. >> But it's it's hard, man. It's hard to. get out of that like, you know, and I. think a lot of people too that have not. a lot of people, but a lot of people. like they have they had like. inspiration, you know, like yeah, you're. going to grow up and be a [ __ ] dad. Like you're going to do this and that. Like that's not me, man. It was like if. you [ __ ] had a if you knocked a girl, punch her in the stomach, like you're a. [ __ ] idiot, you know? Like you you. like like that was never an option. Like. being a dad was never an option for me. I never wanted it. And now I'm with my. girl and like I'm, you know, I'm. established. So, yeah, I'm at the next.

chapter of life. Maybe make make me, you. know, change a little bit or not. I take. him to church, right? Raise him as a. Christian. >> You should. >> Yeah. And I probably would. Yeah, I. probably would. >> Is your wife a Christian? >> Um, I think their I think their family would. all be agnostic. Like I think if you. really I think if you really had to ask. them gun to the head, do you believe. that Jesus was the son of God, even.

though they say they're Christian, I. don't know if like gun to the head, that. would be like the answer in their heart. So I think they would be more fallen. agnostic. But my girl went to church. every Sunday. Like they still go to. church for uh Christmas. I think it's just like when you're. white, dude. That's what if you're. white, you're a Christian. Like that's. what you do. you're a white man and and. like and but they upstate New York is. kind of like a farm town, you know? >> It's very different. But yeah, I don't. know. Yeah, I would probably that's. hard. How do you raise your kid?

>> You raise him to be your replacement. >> Yeah. Okay. I would like him to be. Christian. All right. I guess I'll raise. Christian. [laughter]. But yeah, man. Yeah. Life's interesting, dude. >> It is. >> Well, I got a hot question for you. You. ready? >> Yes, man. away. >> Sean, there's a video out there. a lot of my audience has seen. Your Ring. camera catches a guy at your house in. Vegas. You grabbed a pistol, went out. into the street, and the whole thing.

ends up online. Take me back to that. moment from the second you saw him on. that camera to the decision to go. outside and what was actually going. through your head. So, a backstory to like not backtory but. another story to to like kind of. describe who I am. And you're the same. way. You're the same [ __ ] way. I'm. driving. I'm on the phone with Nina. Nina is my good friend. Works at UFC. And this homeless guy walks in front of. me and I'm driving way too [ __ ] fast. Slam on the brakes. [ __ ] throws his.

bike in front of throws his bike in. front of me. I roll down the window. I. can't I can't go forward because there's. a bike in front of me. I pull out my. gun. and I put in my my hand cuz I don't. know if this [ __ ] homeless guy's a. gun a knife going to try to stab me. I. really have to [ __ ] draw from like. sitting, you know? So, I'm like standing. with the gun in my hand and he gets in. the rolls down the window. [ __ ] you. [ __ ] you. I'm just like got a [ __ ]. dude. You know, and he puts his hands up. and he walks away. And then Nina was. like, Sean, you realize that you were in. a car? You could have just drove away. And I.

was like, I guess I could have. I was. like, I guess, yeah, I guess you could. just I I guess you I don't think I would. never walk away from a a conflict. Like. I I just don't like to me if there's. >> this. Who's in the car with you? >> No, I was on the phone with Nina talking. about it and like she's on the phone. hearing me have this conversation. pulling out a gun and like hey you good. dog and now mind you he had no weapon, no knife. So it just like once he seen. the gun he backed away but it's like um. but uh like so Nino was like dude why.

didn't you just drive away? You're in a. car. I'm like, "Nina, I just don't think. like that." Like, I I'm sure you're the. same way. If there's a problem, you're. not thinking like, "I'm going to go this. way.". >> Like, I'm a grown ass [ __ ] man. I'm. not going to go this way. This is where. I'm going. >> So, back to the just to understand my. mindset, right? >> Saying that I get a ring alert and. there's some guy like hiding like not. hiding, but I thought he was trying to. steal my truck, which is a really shitty. truck. I don't know why he'd want it, but I like it. But, so I thought he was.

trying to steal my truck. So, I told my girl, "Wait inside." I I. grab my I think it was a Sig. I think it. was a Sig. I think it was a the smaller. 365. So, I go out there and I'm like, "Hey, what the [ __ ] are you doing?" He gets up. and he like, you know, you see the video. and he was just a a weak, pathetic man. Like, he was so [ __ ] weak. So. pathetic. Like, at that moment, you're. like, there's no threatening thing about. you. Like, you're not a threat. There's.

nothing wrong with you. So he starts. walking like, "No, no, like wait, dude.". And then a security car, a security. comes up and says, "Stop that guy." So. now it's like I'm assuming that this guy. did something [ __ ] up or very bad and. like he's trying to be arrested. So now. I'm like, "Well, okay." So I walk out. and he keeps walking. I just shove him. down. I point a gun at him and I'm like, you know, wait. Turns out he beat up his. sister. They're at a liquor store. or he.

beat the [ __ ] out of his sister and then. the sister jumped out of the car. He. drove his car, hit a hit something, had. a flat tire, parked right outside my. house and was hiding between my truck. I. thought he was trying to steal my truck, but that was a real story. So, I go out. there and the security guards start. telling me like, "No, he beat the hell. out of this girl. He just crashed his. car." And I'm I'm on the phone with the. cops right now. So, I'm like, "Hey, you're not leaving, dude. Just wait for. the cops to come. And then the cops are.

like, you know, we're really busy. tonight. Just let him go. And we have. his name and information. We has a. warrant, so he has to turn himself in. tomorrow. And I'm like, all right. Hey, you're. free to go, dude. Enjoy your night. [laughter]. >> Holy [ __ ] He just beat the [ __ ] out of. his sister. And they're like, "Yeah, a. little bit.". >> It's Vegas, man. It's [ __ ] Vegas [ __ ]. hole. >> So. >> he comes back later that night with his. wife. Now his wife's with him. And I. just see because I look out the window. and he's clearing beer bottles out of.

his car so if cops come. So he goes and. cleans all the alcohol, drives away, comes back the next day with his [ __ ]. daughter. And this why I blurred his. face cuz I was like, you know, I don't. want to like I blurred your face once. you came back with your kid. So he's. like and he's like a white trashed. [ __ ] delinquent and he's trying to he. can't change his [ __ ] tire on the car. that he wrecked to drive out of there. So, he's with his daughter and I'm like, "This is so [ __ ] up." So, I walk. outside. I'm like, "Hey, dude. I'm the.

guy that put a gun to your head the. other day." I'm like, "You need some. help?" [laughter]. And so, I changed the guy's tire with. met his daughter, met his kid, changed. his tire for him, shook his hand, said, "Hey, man. Wish you the best." And then. he drove away. >> Well, I know what happened to, but it's. like, yeah, that was a weird [ __ ]. day. Again, I don't I don't hate. anybody, dude. I mean, you're a piece of. [ __ ] But again, what is the common. denominator? You're drunk. You're. [ __ ] drinking. Like, I can't expl. like there's this guy um it's a big.

thing, big controversy. Dustin Point, that's the lame, but he's UFC champion. >> Oh, yeah. You guys, you guys have some. history, don't you? >> Yeah, I made fun of him, but I make fun. of everybody. Like I He went out and. said like I was depressed and like I was. like, "Get the [ __ ] out of here, bro. You're depressed. You're a rich You're a. rich [ __ ] white man." And then a. friend of a friend was like, "Hey, you're kind of that was kind of [ __ ]. up." And so I was like, "Dude, maybe. maybe I overstepped." So I go and I I.

called us in. I'm like, "Hey, man." Or I. text him like, "Hey, man. Hey, sorry, dude." Like I was like, "I don't think. you're the kind of guy that gives a. fuck." But I was just making a joke. I. was just being me. And it turned out. like he was really [ __ ] up over it. Like he was really [ __ ] up over it. He's like, "Yeah, damn. I'm like I was. in a bad place. I drank on a plane. I. embarrassed my [ __ ] family. like. forever. I'm you know [clears throat]. what did he say? He said uh it was good. He really r I mean he gets a pass. He. said it going to be a bad he said to a. black cop but he gets a pass. Nobody.

cares. And I was like man I just like I. thought it was great dude. I'm like I'm. that's my new I say that all the time. Like I I I didn't mean that but he was. really torn up by it. And then a [ __ ] I. don't think it matters but I think Bud. Light's gonna release him and he kind of. hinted to like he's a sponsored athlete. by Bud Light. and God made me so [ __ ] mad. It made. me so [ __ ] mad like Bud Light. I'm. going to get a call from [ __ ] UC. Hey, why are you talking [ __ ] on Bud. Light? So.

Bud Light already [ __ ] betrayed. America with their [ __ ] [ __ ] on a. beer can. >> Yeah. >> So but then you know but I would drink. that [ __ ] ever. ever. >> So, but. >> and then like the little Yeah. >> So, they go and they sponsor the UFC. I'm like, you know, man, at least. they're trying. Like, they're [ __ ]. trying to redempt. They're they're. trying to go in the man category. They're not pushing this gay [ __ ]. anymore. >> Yeah. Because of the financials. >> Yeah. Yeah. But going forward, this is. where like I kind of like lost my [ __ ].

with Bud Light again. >> It's crazy how they bought everybody out. overnight. >> Yeah. >> And I remember. >> Yeah. >> people shooting them with machine guns. and the next day they're drinking Bud. Light on Rogan. >> Yeah. Yeah. So. >> yeah, you got a soul. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. No, I mean I mean money's money. >> So I I talked to Dustin and he kind of. hinted that like they're going to. terminate his contract because he got. [ __ ] up on a plane and I was like how. like how much of a piece of [ __ ] are you. Bud Light? Like you take a guy you want.

to say he's an alcoholic. He's in a bad. place. He uses your product. He is a Bud. Light. He is the American. And the. moment something bad happens where like. you kind of get a little egg on your. face or like you get a little shamed cuz. he got drunk on a plane and tried to. fight a black cop which was [ __ ]. funny. He's not racist. You you like you. want to terminate his contract. Like. what Bud Light should have done and that. should be the PR. They should have. reached out to Dustin said, "Hey Dustin, man, you're not doing well. You might.

have a problem with drinking. We're a. beer company. We sponsor you, but like. can we help you? Can we can we help. you?" like like we we want to help you. as a beer company, as American, as an. American company. I know you guys do the. commercials of the American flags and. like the pool parties. Let it let us kind of help you. Do you. need anything? That's not what they did. They're going to they're going to say, "Oh, you [ __ ] up. You used our product. and you [ __ ] up. Get the [ __ ] lost. We. don't want that bad image." And you.

know, I always say like, "I don't drink. I never have drink, nor will I drink. I. just I don't have the personality for. it. I think Bud Light spent $6 billion. dollar in the last 40 years of marketing. and like their their level of marketing. It's like and I don't want to say Bud. Light, you can say every beer company. I'm just using this because they're the. one that's going to drop Dustin and it. like irks my soul. But they did it, man. They sold you the. American way that like you you're, you. know, cowboy on a horse, a game, and.

this and that, but like I don't [ __ ]. have that fulfilling. Every time I seen. a beer can or a beer bottle as a kid, there was no like this is this is not. going to be a good day for me. >> Yeah. >> Like when my dad walked inside the house. with a [ __ ] pack of beer, like I. didn't look at that beer can be like. this is America. I want to go watch a. football game and be happy. I'm like, "Oh damn, I'm fucked." Like it's going. to be a [ __ ] He went with a [ __ ]. 24p pack instead of 12-pack. Like it's. going to be a [ __ ] night for me. So I. don't have the I don't have like that.

kind of relationship with alcohol. For. me, I think alcohol is [ __ ] poison. It's like it is like the worst thing. >> It is. >> It is poison. >> Yeah. It's like, again, I'm a. libertarian. I think it's illegal, but. it's like even even with Dustin, you. know, I'm I'm happy to acknowledge that. it is [ __ ] up. But I mean, it's just. it's so easy when you're having a bad. day. And I think about all the time like. I don't do drugs, but like I want to do. drugs so [ __ ] bad. Like I'll have a. bad day and I just like I'm around my.

friends that drink and I'm like man if I. just go get high right now. like all my like my urges desires could. just vanish and I'm just going to be a. happy [ __ ] idiot for a night. Like. that sounds so [ __ ] nice. I get it. I. just know that like where that [ __ ]. leads and and alcohol always leads for. the most part. If you have if you're one. of the many Americans that have the. demons, it leads a very [ __ ] up road. Just stay away from it. >> Yeah, it's good advice, man.

>> Yeah. So, I [ __ ] I don't even know. how we got talking about Dustin and Bud. Light, but uh. >> we were talking about you going after. somebody you saw in the ring camera. >> Oh, yeah. About alcohol and. >> then I was going to ask you what your. everyday carry is. >> Oh, yeah. No, I got the uh I got the. Sig, man. Not not a 320, dude. I. actually uh I got the Sig uh 365 AXG all. metal. Best best carry gun. The thing is. like I will say when I when I carry. So you carry a Sig. I'm excuse me. What. do you carry? >> Yeah, I I carry I like the 365. It.

depends where I go around here where I. live. I carry the the 365. the OG one sub 12 plus one. >> Yeah. Subcompact one. >> If um Yeah. Ain't nothing if I'm driving. you if I'm somewhere else. a little. more. Yeah. Something different than I I like. carrying the 365 macro or the Legion, which same thing. >> You carry a spare mag with you? >> Oh, [ __ ] yeah. >> Oh, do you really? Oh, he's one of those.

guys. Yeah, I don't carry a spare mag. I. should, but I'm usually like when I. carry, dude, I'm like in gym shorts. I'm. just like And I have like the clip on. holster. I don't do the gun belt. >> I mean, if I'm cruising around, you. know, doing if if I'm out traveling, going through town. Are you just are you. are you a are you a a sig shield or do. you actually believe the product? >> Dude, I just told you I car I carried it. a long time. Okay, >> I've got videos of me carrying it way. before I became um. way before I started my partnership with.

>> No, I think it's the best. They don't. they don't Sig doesn't sponsor me. I. think it's the best gun. >> Glocks I find very uncomfortable to like. to carry. I just And then like you know. Sig has more capacity for the same. package. The only good thing about a. Glock is that when I do like a Glock 19, I present very well. Like for something. about that big blocky thing, I just when. I grab it, I present so well because. like the way it's shaped, >> but [clears throat] I hate [ __ ]. carrying it because you're carrying this. big blocky thing that just I'm [ __ ].

fat, dude. I'm just killing myself. The. Sig to me is by far the best carry gun. I'll be I'm glad you asked me if I'm a. SIG shill because everybody calls me a. SIG shell, >> but I'll even tell you about my. partnership. >> We started. >> I own a 320. >> Yeah, we we we. now I was so I before I started this, I. was in the firearms industry, you know. I was a tactical trainer and um. >> trained Kiana Ree for John Wick. >> Oh, no [ __ ]. >> Yeah, >> I had that Genesis shotgun. Really great.

shotgun. >> And uh I have one in there. I've even. shot it. >> Oh, dude, it runs great. You could run. burst shot through it. Runs great. No. need. >> Maybe we should bust that out when we go. to the range today. But, uh, anyways, I. couldn't get a gun. I could not get a. firearm sponsorship no matter what. And. I was reviewing the Sig 365. It got. like, I don't know, a couple million. views. Couldn't get anything. Then I. started this and and um got a got a. partnership with Sig. Dude, they're just. a [ __ ] awesome company, man. And you.

know, they came on and I was like, "Hey, I don't do exclusive stuff. Like, I like. a lot of different guns and I'm going to. shoot guns and I'm going to post other. guns and I like your stuff a lot, too.". But I was like, I'm I'm not I'm just not. going to be an exclusive person and I I. want to be able to shoot what I like to. shoot and but I do carry your stuff and. I do own your stuff and I love your. stuff and I carry the Sig 226 and the. SEAL teams. >> Totally cool with that, dude. They're. like, "Yeah, >> yeah, >> do whatever.". >> But the only the only controversy Sig.

had was a 320. But even a 320, like mind. you, would I carry a 320? I don't know. if I'd carry a 320. Would I have one. next to my bed with a can on it? Maybe. >> But they don't run they they don't run. well with cans. I have one. But uh but. every time you watch the videos of the. 320 going off, it's like there's always some level of. like, oh well, this is not the right. holster I put it in. Like there's always. some level of like questionability.

>> Well, the last thing the last thing that. happened, and I don't know all the all. the stuff behind this, but there was. there was an army there was an army guy. or an air force person or whatever. >> that was shot and killed. the 320. >> And so they used the narrative that the. 320 was going off all by itself. >> You know what I mean? They used that. narrative to try to clear the to the kid. used it like he used to his advantage. Hold on. >> I was on it. >> And then and then they did the.

investigation and the kid picked up the. [ __ ] gun and pulled the trigger and. shot his friend. >> But the narrative is getting used. against him. >> I got you a present. >> Oh, but wait, let me let me finish that. Go ahead. So, so touching on that, this. is why like I kind of had a come to. Jesus moment with Sig and I had to kind. of like readress it cuz I was the same. way when I when I heard that story. Not only that, I was kind of like, "Fuck. you, Sig." I got mad at Sig cuz I was. like cuz I carry I I carry a Sig. I have. like [ __ ] five Sig guns, dude. [laughter]. >> So, I kind of got mad at it and I kind.

of jumped on the [ __ ] Sig hate. bandwagon. And then once the real story. came out, I'm like, man, I just [ __ ]. post Sig for like [ __ ] months and it. turns out this like guy shot himself. So. I think in even in the videos, dude, like. they're always weird, you know? It's. like, oh, they're reholstering on a. holster that's not made for the gun. Like it's just very weird. And I think. because it's such a common gun. So, if. there's any video of this going off cuz.

someone putting a gun, I mean, it's. probably one of the most [ __ ] popular. guns. But just by proxying video, you're. going to see that. But yeah, no, I'm. just [ __ ] with you, man. I I [ __ ] with. sig. I I own sigs. I like [ __ ] sig. >> I'm glad you brought it up. But um. anyways, let me grab it. >> Grab this for you. Got a couple of gifts. for you. >> Oh [ __ ]. So, uh, you know what this is? >> Uh, it's a. >> You look excited, Sean.

>> Well, it's the, uh, it's a St. It starts. [laughter] with a S, right? What [ __ ]. it called? >> This is the Sig 300 Blackout Rattler. >> Yeah, the [ __ ] Rattler, dude. >> It's got a collapsible stock here. Folding stock, I mean, flip up irons. It's got Sig's new um, optic, which I. forget the name of. Sorry. Sig. flashlight and Sig suppressor. So, um, >> you want to test this out? Let's go. >> Oh my. Oh man, I'm a lefty, too, by the. way. >> Are you really? >> I really appreciate the ammy safeties.

and uh it's nice. >> No, I can't afford to shoot 300. Blackout. >> Oh. Uh, touch the microphones. No, I. can't afford to shoot 300 Blackout, but. you know. [laughter]. >> Oh, I think it's. >> Oh, wow. Maybe your rich white in-laws. will buy you some 300 Blackout to go. with it. Or maybe Sig will be extra. generous and just send you some. >> Yeah. Hey, Sig, hook it up, man. I mean, at this point, >> yeah, I got a my buddy Jason over there. I told him you were coming on. He got. all excited. And I'll tell you another. badass thing about SIG is so the.

sheriff's department that's just to the. west of here. They have a horrible. budget. They They have like a $3 million. budget to run the entire department. And. I'm friends with somebody that that. works over there. And he was telling me. the guns they're running. And he's like, "Dude, we got like these old ass like I. don't want to destroy any companies. here, but this company upper the the. barrels are shot out, different lowers.". And he's like, "We don't have any.

optics." And and he's like, "Guys are. starting to ask where they could just. run their own stuff and they don't want. us to." And dude, [clears throat] I got. pissed. I was like, I can't [ __ ]. believe they're sending and they don't. have a choice. They have no funding. You. know, $3 million for the whole [ __ ]. department is nothing. It costs more. than that to run this. And. >> so, uh, I was like, this is I I can't. believe this [ __ ]. >> So, I just I was like, I'm going to I'm. going to outfit this department myself.

if I have to. And I called Jason up at. SIG and I was like, "Hey dude, >> this is the deal." I was like, "Can you. guys even if you just give it to me, it. cost?" Yeah. Um and so me and Sig are. going in together. We're going to split. it and uh we're going to outfit that. entire SWAT team with brand new rifles. and optics. And another badass thing. about that company is, are you familiar. with the Roadblock [ __ ] Have you heard. of Roadblocks? >> No. that. So, Roadblocks is a game where.

all these predators are hanging. >> Oh god. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know. Yeah. No, that game should be banned. >> Yeah. [clears throat] So, I brought this. kid in, Schle. That's his uh his framed. thing over there. His mom sent. Anyways, Schleup kind of unveiled the whole. Roblox thing. Yeah. >> On what was going on. And so one of the. things they did is they recreated this. [ __ ] game recreated. all the active shooter school shooting. events and put them in the game. Not.

only did they do that, they put the. victims that were killed. Like remember. all the kids that were killed at Sandy. Hook? They put the names of the kids. over the kids. So you enter the. classroom and murder the kids. They. recreated the scene and they were using. Sig weapons. So, I got that to Jason, too, and I said, "Hey, I just want you. guys to know I did this episode and. they're utilizing your weapons in that. [ __ ] game." Sig got their legal. involved, went after Roblox, and they. pulled the [ __ ] out immediately.

>> [ __ ]. >> So, regardless of whatever you hear about. them, >> no, I mean, [ __ ] awesome, awesome, awesome. >> I have I have the 20 the GTO, by the. way. Have you shot the GTO yet? Their. 2011. Oh my god, I think it runs so. great. >> Like one of my. >> I say that the GTO is a pleasure to. shoot. I mean, it's [ __ ] flat. It's. nice. I got that. I got uh 320. I got. like a few 365s. I got the Sig cross.

>> Nice. >> Yeah. I mean, and speaking of the Sig. cross, I can never figure out how to. [ __ ] close these things. Where is it? Wait, let me figure this out. Here's the. same mechanism. You ever shop the cross? Yeah, we got one in there. >> Yeah, you like you push. Oh, god damn. it, dude. How do you [ __ ] close this. thing? >> Here, let me show you a shot. >> And every time I grab my thing, dude, I. >> push this down. [laughter]. >> Get this on. I was going to. >> I just folded this damn thing. >> Oh, there we go.

>> There we go. So again, you guys, I I got See, you got. to if I can give you advice, you got to. fix this mechanism because everybody. that has a sick cross when they go to. fold it, they always [ __ ] with it. Naughty, but this is a beautiful gun. Hey, sick. Thank guys. I [ __ ] with you. guys. If you want to shoot me some ammo. for this thing, let me know. Preferably. subsonic. What do you think about that? Hey, wait. I got to ask you a question. I got to ask you because the gun guys. will love this. What do you think about. the Blackout? >> This is This is like the debate, bro. This is the This is the the the gun.

debate. What do you like throw in a. blackout? >> I mean, dude, I don't if I like. >> What's your nightstand gun? >> What's my nightstand gun? >> Yeah, >> it's a pistol. It's a 9mm pistol. The. Sig Macro. >> Okay. You don't you Okay. You don't do. any rifle next to. >> And then I got I got another one. The. Sim the Sig MCX Spear, which I'll show. I'll bring. >> Wait, do you have Do you have a rifle. behind? You have a rifle in your room? You dude. Yes. Okay. So, you seen the.

the armory here? >> Yeah. So, you do Wait, you do 300. Blackout? >> I do 300 Blackout. Here's why. >> You do subsonic or supersonic? >> I don't think it matters. I I I have. both, but I I find that uh just regular, not subsonic runs better. I always get. jams with the subsonic no matter what. 300 Black. >> Is your gun Do you have the suppressed? Your your rifle? >> Suppressed. What do you have? Uh, I do just a I got. I'm a PSA guy, dude. My PSA is in my. budget.

>> I do. [clears throat] What. >> caliber though? >> It's 223 AR-15. And then I have. >> Yeah, I I do 300 Blackout because of the. penetration. >> And then I have my my nightstand gun. >> because I don't want I told you about. what happened with the green tip, right? And so 223 is going to fly through the. human, fly through the wall, go through. the next wall, and potentially go into. my son or daughter's room, right? with. the 300 blackout. Once it hits the. flesh, it's not going to have enough. penetration to keep going. >> And so, >> this is a new nightstand gun. Then, >> but I carry the PSA AR-15. I do 11 in.

And then I also carry the um the GTO is. my night handgun. >> Nice. >> I mean, it's it's such a nice gun, guys. If you ever want to get a 2011, dude, it's even for the cost. Like, it's such. a good cost entry for that level of gun. I don't really [ __ ] with staccato. I. just think they're kind of gay. There's. something about saccados here. I'm just. like every time you see a staccato guy, I buy I own staccato, but it's like. they're just kind of [ __ ] gay. And. then like the guys that [laughter]. Why do you think they're gay?

>> And then the guys that shoot staccato, dude, like they're just like they're. just [ __ ] dildos. Like so in the. motorcycle world, there's like Ducatis. Like there's always like I'm the Ducati. guy. And it's like you have like guns. are marginally different. So like people. that get saccados, they get so wrapped. up in the name and the pistol. It's. like, "Dude, you're just gay." It's. like, like, you sound like a [ __ ]. European, dude. Like, you're just. [ __ ] gay. So, I just like I I can't. [ __ ] with. >> Right on. >> I mean, they're a little Do you tell me. Scots are a little gay? >> I don't think it's gay.

>> But, you know, also too, people need to. understand like everybody picks a side. with guns, dude. Guns are so marginally. different. >> It's a tool. >> Like, even when you're talking to. handguns, bro, where they're talking. about a Hellcat, I don't I think the. Hellcat's a little bit too snappy. Not a. big fan of the Hellcat or the Glock or. the Sig, dude. There's just marginally. [ __ ] different. And people are so. tribalized where like, "Oh yeah, dude. I. carry a carry a Sig. Oh, you [ __ ]. loser. Oh, I carry a Glock." Like, "Oh, you [ __ ] loser. Your Sig's going in a. jam." Like,

if there is a if there's a team, someone's going to pick it and they're. going to [ __ ] hate you for not being. on that team. I'm not that way, dude. I. like. Saccato. Other than Saccato, dude, I. like I like all guns. I have Sig. I have. Smith and Wesson. Like, same with. motorcycles. I have [ __ ] Harley, I. have Indian, I have Kawasaki, I have. Yamaha. Like, you know, I'm just I'm not. tribal. I I've never really been like a. a tribalistic kind of guy. Do Do what. makes you happy. >> Yep. Yep. >> Just don't point in my face.

>> Yep. I got going. Here's another thing. Vigilante gummy bears. Made in the USA. Not weed gummies, just candy. And then I. got one other thing for you. >> Gummy bears. But I got to try one of. these. So talking about you know talking about. God and all this other stuff right I'm. going to give this to you read. >> no read I'll read if it matters.

>> well. What is today? It's a book called The Jesus Calling. You read one one thing a day. Super.

short. Takes no time. >> I will read. >> I read it at the end of the day. And a. lot of times I feel like it's talking. about what happened that day. Maybe you. get something out of it, maybe you. don't. I tell you what, every night I'll read a page starting. tonight. But yeah, no, I mean, you know, speaking of like God, man, I I. cannot tell you the respect I have. Christianity. It's like it's uh one of. the greatest gifts that we've had on. this planet is like the gift of.

Christianity and like when it's used. correctly and it's used in the way it's. intended, anything can happen. Yeah, man. I. appreciate you, dude. >> Appreciate you, man. You've got a huge. heart. I could tell. >> I'm kind of [ __ ] by you. >> But uh [music] it's been an honor, man. I mean that. >> God bless. [music].

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