Sarah Adams - Barack Obama Visited Beyonce and Jay-Z During the Benghazi Attacks | SRS #81 Part 2

Previously on the Shawn Ryan Show. So they're they're doing all this. training and stuff in Afghanistan, Al-Qaeda, and all these international. terrorists. You think. they're going to start coming up through. our southern borders? Well, they've already started. Do you know that for a fact? Yes. How do you know that? I was told several different times about. group pockets of terrorists that. procured passports from the Afghan. government with the sole purpose of. coming to our southern border.

The chaotic and deadly US evacuation. from Afghanistan stunned Americans and. the world and cost the lives of 13 US. soldiers. Now, a damning new report. blames the Biden administration. Well, there's two different things. There's guys we're ignoring and guys we. thought that were dead that aren't. They said both of those are in. Afghanistan. You think we're going to be back there. someday? We have to be.

The main. AQAP target, his name is Ibrahim. al-Banna. Guess where he is. Afghanistan. Afghanistan, being completely ignored. And guess who he hangs out with? Hamza bin Laden. Sources tell CBS News Osama bin Laden's. favorite son has been killed in a. military operation. Hamza bin Laden, the son of the former. Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, has.

been killed. Letters captured in the 2011 raid. indicated bin Laden was grooming Hamza. to be the next leader. Post-Gaddafi Arab Spring timeline. Yes. Arrived in Libya to no intelligence. service was present when it started. Kicked off captured operations in Libya. in 2012. Abu Anas al-Libi al-Libi targeting the. mastermind of Kenya and Tanzania embassy.

bombings. The Benghazi attacks happened on. September 2012. How long were you in Libya? I got there in January 2012. Um I left for a few months in the summer. to vacation. I went to like the London. Olympics and then I went to like um. Egypt and stuff. Um and then I came back and I went to. Benghazi in August and then I left Libya. in the end of November. 2012. So, you were in country when it when it.

went down. Well, the day of the attack, I was in. Benghazi and I flew to London for a. meeting. So, I went for a meeting, missed the entirety of an attack, came. back, and then went to Tripoli. So, I. wasn't in Benghazi and then I stayed a. couple more months. Oh, man. So, you just missed it. Yeah, and the funny thing is is Congress. actually asked me, a staffer at. Congress, if I found out about the. attack and left. Really? I was like, "What kind of question is. that? Maybe you do that stuff here, but. like we were all family. Like.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is what I really want to talk. about is some of the I don't know what. you would call it if it's corruption or. or just incompetence that happened, you. know, during the attack, some of the cover-up. stuff. I wanted to talk about it with Mark. It's It's. It's It's tough, you know, to talk about. that stuff with somebody that was there.

Um. that experienced that amount of trauma. So, I thought you would be the the best. thing to bring in. And so, could you. kind of walk us through some of the. stuff that. could have really helped the guys on the. ground there that. we didn't utilize and some of the stuff. that happened after Benghazi. Sure. Maybe I should talk about the size. of the attack first. Okay. Cuz it's. really easy for a like.

someone who doesn't tote a gun to say, "Oh, these things could have helped the. guys." But when you talk about the. number of attackers, the people really. need to understand like what they were. up against, right? So. So the attack was directed by the head. of al-Qaeda, Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri. He basically handed off to his North. Africa. um. group, right? So AQIM is what we'll go. by. And the purpose of it was was to.

capture. Ambassador Stevens. And they wanted to. use him for prison swaps, like to get. other terrorists out. And it was going. to be an honor of. a couple Libyans that we killed in drone. strikes in Pakistan. So Zawahiri's last. two deputies, um the most recent was Abu Yahya. al-Libi. The his last two deputies died. in drone strikes within a year. um in Pakistan. So when the second drone. strike happened, it was June 2011. And.

that's when he's like, "Enough's enough. We're going to take it to the Americans. in Libya." And that's what he chose to. do. It was actually a kidnapping. operation of the ambassador because in. 2011 a ton of terrorists got released. And so by 2012, they're like, "Hey, it. was kind of almost like this momentum. going." And they're like, "Hey, let's. keep trying to get out who we can get. out um and save more people." Um even. al-Qaeda had just also in Benghazi, and. this is never talked about, which is. strange,

like within just maybe 3 weeks before. the attacks, they kidnapped the only. Quds Force officers in Benghazi as well. And they're asking for five al-Qaeda in. Iraq detainees who were held in Iraq. So. five al-Qaeda members in Iraq. So it. just happened weeks before. So now. they're doing kind of the same thing, but they're capturing the US ambassador. because. one of the interesting things is one of. the names they wanted to put on the. plate for the cuts force, he didn't make. the cut. Right? They weren't good.

enough. Um so, one of the people they. wanted for Ambassador Stevens, his name. was Adel al-Shalali, and he was a Libyan. on death row in Iraq. And he um was a. very close friend of Abu Musab. al-Zarqawi. He actually, after his death, he went. back to Iraq and he was a terrorist. going to carry out the um the post-death. attack in honor of Zarqawi, and he got. caught. And that way was he was in jail.

So, he was pretty upsetting to al-Qaeda, right? Cuz he was the one that was going. to do the attack in honor of his death. So, that's basically the main Libyan. they're going to ask for. They were. going to throw in some other names. Who's He's who they wanted, but they. were going to of course ask for the. blind sheikh. They were going to um ask. for Abu Faraj al-Libi. He's in Gitmo. And then they were thinking about maybe. asking for Aafia Siddiqui. I want to say. she's in maybe Texas. Um so, anyway, he passed it off. to AQIM. AQIM's leader, his name is.

Drugdal. He gave it to um Mukhtar Abu. Mukhtar, we're going to call him MBM. His expertise is kidnapping operations. So, he said, "You mastermind this. You. carry it out, but I'm going to play a. heavy, heavy hand because both of them. were very close to Zawahiri." Zawahiri. said, "This is super important to me.". So, Zawahiri asked them. He reached out. to AQAP and said, "Hey, you guys help. fund this." He also, AQAP, um Ayman.

al-Zawahiri issued the fatwa. that um made it legal to even do the. Benghazi attack. Um and then Zawahiri. reached back to a bunch of people in. Egypt. "Hey, you need to support this.". One had just got released from prison, was Zawahiri's brother, and he at the. time was negotiating to set up Al-Qaeda. in Egypt. Zawahiri is like, "Yeah, great. Benghazi is your first. operation." So, all these Zawahiri. people come together to do this. operation and they plan it. And the. commander on the ground that leads the.

attack is Omar al-Shishani, Adel's. brother. So, the So, that's the attack commander. and he's AQIM's head for Libya in 2012. So, that's kind of who's now planning. it, right? Mhm. They brought in 150. terrorists just for the ambassador's. kidnapping. So, half of them. went on the compound and half of them. cordoned off the street. So, 150. terrorists. I mean, I don't even know if.

I can name any terrorist attack with. actual 150 terrorists. And at least in. our book, at least 50 of them are. Al-Qaeda Al-Qaeda and then the others. are Al-Qaeda affiliates. So, I'm not. even sure I can name an attack with 50. Al-Qaeda terrorists at the attack. So, So, you need to understand this attack. is massive. And these are well-trained guys. This. isn't These aren't. Yes. bottom of the barrel. minions. These are. We very painstakingly made that clear.

We walked through their entire history. So, if they fought in the Afghanistan. Mujaheddin time, they're in there as. that. If they fought in the Iraq In Iraq. wars, which started around 2003-2004, they're in that. In between those two. though, that a lot of people forget is. the Algerian Civil War. You know, 200,000. civilians were killed in that war. I had no idea. was an insane jihad thing and it always. gets ignored, but so we had people. fighting that war. And that's where MBM.

MBM was in Afghanistan fighting and then. the Algerian Civil War kicked off and he. jumped ship and went there and that's. kind of where he got most of his bona. fides. They weren't actually in Paki- in. Afghanistan when a lot of people think. And then um. and then um the Libyan Revolution. And. then after Benghazi attacks, they went. to Syria, as you can imagine. So, yeah, well-trained terrorists, um pretty much. every senior leaders that were here that. he reached out to, either him or Bin. Laden or Zawahiri, had a long-time.

established relationship with them. There's not even one person. that Zawahiri chose that had no. experience. Actually, really the only. senior leader at the attacks that had no. experience is crazy. So, MBM like took. over this random village. I want to say. it was like in Algeria, and he recruited. a businessman. to be like a terrorist during his. takeover of the city, and the guy spoke. fluent English. And so, he said, "I want. you to be able to commander of my attack. of my cell of AQIM." AQIM had multiple.

cells, so I don't want to get. complicated with that, "because you. speak English, and I want you to um. talk to the ambassador." And they also. recruited two Canadians to the attack. So, three people were supposed to be the. English speakers to kind of do the. shifts to take care of the ambassador. when they brought him in. Interesting. Yeah. So, so anyway, so that's kind of. who they're going up against. Um. Resources brought to bear, I mean, let's. just first talk about the first two.

deaths, right? So, that's the ambassador. and Sean Smith. Right, the only kind of. resource to bring that to bear is if CIA. would have left the compound sooner. And. I don't know if you actually know why. they didn't leave till 10:05. Why? Because Bob lied to them and told them. 17 February was responding when he knew. they weren't. Even Mark still thinks 17. February he ran into him during that. night. That actually never happened. They thought they were running into 17. February because Bob lied to them and.

said they're responding, but they never. did. On Bob's first phone call to the. head of. 17 February, his name is Fauzi Bukatiff, he said, "I'm not I don't have any help. to send you. I'm not sending you any. help tonight.". Bob is. the chief of base for Benghazi. Bob, that means Bob is the head agency. staffer. in the city. of Benghazi. Yes. So, he. So, obviously CIA has a QRF, right? GRF.

That's how normal places work. Bob. viewed He did not believe in our QRF or. believe we had a QRF or believe they. should be used as a QRF in a weird way. And he only viewed 17 February as his. QRF. So, there's already kind of a. disconnect from how CIA operates in. Benghazi just solely because of Bob. So, Bob only wanted 17 February to respond. He never wanted his people to respond. So, he calls 17 February, and 17. February, who sent maybe 25 terrorists.

to the attacks, they're involved. We don't know they're involved, right? He says, "I'm not sending anyone." He's. not going to send people to go attack. his own people. Bob then is kind of like taken aback cuz. he doesn't want to send his people, and. then the one guy he counted on just. said, "I'm not sending people." So, he. lies to his team and says, "Hey, we're. waiting on 17 Feb to respond." He spent. some time begging them, but he knows. they're not responding. He was told the. first phone call to them. So, the guys. finally leave when the State Department.

guy says, "If you don't come now, we're. going to die." That's why they left. So, it was nothing to do They just said, "Screw it." And they just abandoned the. COB. But he could have held them there. all night because he could have kept. lying that 17 Feb was doing a response. 17 Feb never responded with even one. body to the Benghazi attacks. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Were there any repercussions. for this guy, Bob? No. they gave him the most senior award.

in the CIA and then this was supposed to. be his last trip and he. um. was supposed to retire and because he. got all these accolades, they let him go. back to the farm. He spent his So, he. started in the CIA as like a medic. How does this guy live with himself? I know. He started in the CIA as a. medic. A lot of people think he has this. long storied career as a case officer. He started as a medic and then he got. rotated into being a case officer and. spent his entire career at the farm. The. only other war zone he was in, he went.

to a war zone in eastern Afghanistan and. he got his like asset killed and then. tried to do a money pay cover-up and got. in trouble for it and got sent home. And. Benghazi was only his second war zone. So, these people that say he's got this. long history of serving he was a trainer. at the farm. And so, after they let him. go back and be a trainer at the farm. Last I heard he was a trainer at the. Well, you know the old saying up, move. up, right? So, yes. What a joke. So, no repercussions for Bob.

Who lied and basically got people killed. because if you look at the timeline, the. the fire was started So, the attack. starts at 9:42 and CIA got the call. immediately. If you watch the cameras, I. have it actually in the book. I think. it's 9:48 they're sitting in the cars, okay? And then now just waiting to go. Um. the fire starts about 10:00 p.m. on the. ambassador's villa. A lot of people. confuse this, even the FBI. There was a. fire started at the guard shack right.

inside of the consulate right away. Um the but they then go and try to get. to the ambassador because they know. where he is. They can't get in. They. don't start that fire till about 10:00. and then GRS leave at 10:45 but GRS were. sitting in the car with to leave at. 10:48 and it's a 2-minute trip. They. took 2 to 3 minutes when they finally. left at 10:45, they were already there. So, mathematically, if they would have left. when they were ready, the terrorists. wouldn't even have started the fire. They wouldn't even have to put out a.

fire. Like, it was before the fire. started. So, that's. what could have been done for the first. two lives, but I think it's the only. thing that could have been done for the. first two lives. Unless, to be honest, um that head of 17 February. and then the head of Rafa al-Sahati, who. was the AQ's commander for Benghazi, and. then another senior leader, those three, within two days, a few days. before all this happened, basically told. us, "We're not helping you with security. anymore." I mean, they basically said,

"Something's happening." And I honestly, at that time, they should have canceled. the ambassador's trip. If it's the three. most powerful militias in town say, "Hey, we're not going to help you. anymore." And even 17 Feb said, "Oh, yes, you're paying us to protect the. consulate, but we're not going to. protect you on moves anymore." That's. why like Boone and Roan and them, they. were supposed to be home by then. And. they extended to do security for the. ambassador while he was in town, cuz 17. February said they were going to stop. So, they knew these things days before. They should have canceled this trip, cuz. it's like, "Well, this is weird. The.

biggest militias. don't want to do security anymore." So, that's what should have happened. Nobody pieced it together. Yeah, no one pieced Yeah, it's crazy. So, so anyway, the only for the first. two, Jiria should have just been able to. leave on time and when they were ready. Um. the other ones, there's a mix of resources. Um. I'm not really sold on, you know, the military moves slow, that.

the SIF was on a training mission. They. didn't even think of sending fighter. jets. I honestly think. they were. they were just going to drop the ball. anyway. And I don't want to be rude. I I. think really where you could have. affected. um something is French special forces. They were based in Libya. Um, the Cutteries had 50 special forces. um, based in Tripoli. Um, you know, so we had these um, the. French had obviously fighter jets within.

the region. Where was the SIFT team? They were in. Italy, correct? No, no, the SIFT were in um, was it. Croatia? They were in Croatia on a. training mission now. And remember, they. didn't even have their airplane with. them. So when they finally were told to. deploy, the airplane, I kid you not, flew to them. Then they took 12 hours of. crew rest. They loaded the plane, then. they flew to Italy. So that's why I'm. saying, we can't even say the SIFT is. going to get there. I mean, even if they. overrode the crew crew crew fling, they. didn't still didn't have their own plane.

with them. You know, so that's why I. said, I just don't see the DOD was not. positioned to respond. And it's sad. They should They're supposed to be. It's. not 11. I thought that they I have a good friend. Mike Glover who I think was in that. SIFT. Well, Mike Glover, I thought Mike did. the thing after it. Well, because remember there was a the. evacuation from Tripoli 2 years later? Isn't that the one he was on? Mhm. Okay. Nope. But yeah, so the SIFT.

No, because this was pre So I worked. with Mike in DRS. Mike was I believe was still in the army. at this point. In the SIFT and. Yeah. There was only one SIFT at the. time, remember, because there were. supposed to be a UCOM and AFRICOM. And. the AFRICOM wasn't set up yet. So the. only one that existed was the UCOM SIFT. and it covered both UCOM and AFRICOM. And that one was on a training mission. in Croatia. And then the only other. thing that deployed is obviously the. team from North Carolina. And they flew.

also to Italy. And honestly, they both. arrived on the same time, within like a. 2 hours of each other. The Croatia one. and the North Carolina one. I'm not sure which one he was with. might have been the North Carolina one. Yeah, that's a very good possibility. But, even with them, think about it. Their plan was to All of them was plan. was to go to Italy. I mean, it's going. on in real time in Libya. I mean, I'd be. pissed if I was land if I would land. them in Italy. I'm like, why am I not. landing in Libya? Oh, they were pissed. And the other thing is, you know they.

never planned to send any resources to. Benghazi. Even the FAST teams, they were. only deployed to Tripoli because around. 1:00 in the morning, well, first off, the CIA was not sending accurate. information once they got there how the. attacks were ongoing, and that's a huge. failure. They They weren't really. sharing it. So, in the State Department, the state guy every minute, "This is. happening. This is happening. This is. happening." It's really well shared. They all move over the CIA compound, attack start, and no one in the CIA is. sharing, "Hey, we just got attacked. We.

got attacked." Like, they're downplaying. it. Even. the GRS team lead for Benghazi called it. pop shots. He called it pop shots, the. attack, the first attack. Well, we went over we went over this. with. Right. Mora. So, they weren't sharing it. So, as you. can imagine, if they're not sharing it, guess what happens? A threat goes out on. Facebook against the Tripoli embassy. Not even from a verified page, nothing. the US is really tracking, and all DOD.

attention, State Department attention, shifts to Tripoli. All resources shift. to Tripoli. So, if you actually go read. the order that came out at 5:00 in the. morning. By the way, they didn't put. anything in motion till 5:00 in the. morning. Remember, the last attack is. 5:17. That's why I said the DOD ain't. your ain't your heroes in this one. Nothing deploys to Benghazi. It's only. to Tripoli because they got focused on. the Facebook threat. They say now after the fact that they.

say, "No, we actually thought it was a. hostage situation we had more time.". But, that's not what happened in real. time. But, the DOD, you go ask them now, they'll say, "No, we thought it was a. hostage situation. We thought we might. have multiple days to deal with the. scenario and trying to work through it.". Well, let's be honest. Regardless, they weren't positioned to. respond. They showed it. And they they. obviously weren't held accountable. What was the. What was the um.

What was the narrative about this was. there was some kind of a cartoon that. was made? Yeah. Well, that was So, Jake Sullivan. came up with this bright idea, if you. know him, he's our national security. director, and he's the one working all. these beautiful Iran deals. He came up. with the fact that we should blame this. video. So, it's just a little bit of. background. There's a video came out. like spring of 2011. And then um I think. maybe in August like a translated. version of it came out. Um. In August, there was a planned protest.

in Egypt. It wasn't to do with the. video, but they ended up moving it to. September 11th. And so, when they did. move it, this video came out in the. middle, and they said, "Hey, when we do. the protest, we're going to also talk. about this video." What a lot of people. don't know though, the people who set up. the protest were involved in Benghazi. So, there was Zawihiri's brother, um a really famous commander named Merz. Salim. I don't know if you remember the. old days in Afghanistan when they took. down the big um Bamiyan statues, he was.

standing there overseeing that. Okay. Okay, all connected, right? They're the. ones hosting this protest in Egypt. They. know there's a planned attack in. Benghazi when they're hosting it. So, anyway, so part of their big protest. that had nothing to do with that video. either, the video kind of got wrapped in. cuz it was around the same time. So, even that protest was nothing to do with. the video. It was supposed to be like 3. weeks before. So, Jake Sullivan decides to use this. video as a fake narrative, and they run.

it. Um. the problem is. is it worked. So, what happened is they run with it, it became news, it actually ended up. making the video go viral. The video. went viral I think September 13th, which. nobody even pays attention to. It's. like, "Guys, the video didn't go viral. until 2 days after the attack only. because of the policy makers." Then even. Libyan policy makers started to. repeating it. And then. the intelligence community got really. sloppy. Like, one of the most famous.

things, we bring it up in the Benghazi. Committee report, is you know, when. you're in the government, the best intel. usually is SIGINT, right? Like, you're. like TS/SCI, whatever. What the NSA did. is they wrote a report on the Benghazi. attacks, and they wrote a comment on the. top that they cut and pasted from the. press, and I kid you not, it said "At. 5:00 p.m. there were protests in. Benghazi." They cut this from the press. First off, there was nothing at 5:00. p.m. in Benghazi. The 5:00 p.m. was.

uh Cairo, so they didn't have that. right. And analysts started taking that. comment and marking it as top secret. SCI. And then obviously when policy. people are reading it, like, "Oh, that's. a top secret evidence that there was a. protest." So, that that piece was crappy. intelligence. Um hopefully. like, hopefully it wasn't more sinister. But yeah, so all that was completely. made up. Um and then like I told you, when we went and told them, "Hey, we. have evidence there wasn't a protest,".

they didn't change it. So, by then. everybody was marching along with what. the administration wanted, and they. didn't want to push back on Jake. Sullivan and Ben Rhodes. and crew. A lot of people blame Hillary Clinton. Right. Why is that? For the protest narrative? For a lot of this. Yeah. I mean, for the protest narrative, she helped. push it, right? I mean, she knew in real.

time it was terrorists. We all know. that. She sent a daughter of you know, email to her daughter saying it was. Al-Qaeda-like protest um. seem like she was apologizing. for that. video. after. Oh, yeah. They they all. the Benghazi attack. all. Instead of instead of. standing up for our men and women over. there. she's over here apologizing about. Exactly. So, that's what I'm saying. She. Jake Sullivan made the video narrative,

right? And then they all jumped on. board, right? So, Obama did a the. statement, Hillary Clinton did a. statement. Obviously, we all know about. Susan Rice's. talk show. Susan Rice's was actually. written by Ben Rhodes. A lot of it was. Ben Rhodes writing their statements. That's kind of the character in there. But yeah, so the main thing she did. wrong in that piece was pushing a. narrative she knew was fake cuz she knew. in real time it was a terrorist attack. But I mean, her issues go so much beyond. that. The issue that a lot of people had.

with Hillary, like if we're going to say. we're a September 10th, you know what I. mean? Let's pretend the attack didn't. happen. Mhm. The issues people were having with. Hillary is as Secretary of State she was. traveling from country to country and. meeting with leaders, right? Like a. Secretary of State does. But her case, you had to donate money to her. foundation to meet with her. And in some. places so many people were meeting with.

her in like the pay-for-play, some of. our. military commanders couldn't get time. with her. There were places she didn't. even meet like some of the CIA that. thought she'd meet with her. And so, one. of the issues with Hillary was a lot of. people were really upset that she kind. of sold out the office. So, she Hold on. I didn't I didn't know. this. Yeah, well that was the That was the. issue a lot of people had at the time. with Hillary before the attacks. Like. that's what they felt she was doing. So, she.

is the. And so. Secretary of State, she is running around the world forcing. It was like a pay-for-play. political leaders to donate money to the. Clinton Foundation so that. they could get time with the US. Secretary of State. that was the complaint in real time. about her. And that's the complaint. legal? I know. Well, that's the complaint. That's the issue with her server. Almost 2 years after she'd left office.

for it to become clear that she had been. using this private email and that she. had handed over 30,000 emails and that. 31,000, almost 32,000, had been deleted. in this process. It was all being. handled by a private server in her home. That's when that also became clear, meaning the government never possessed a. complete record of her official. communications while she was in office. So, a lot of people think that Hillary. Clinton server matter matters because of. the Benghazi attacks. I mean, Hillary. doesn't talk to Al-Qaeda. What's on the.

Hillary Clinton server is all the. economic and financial dealings she had. in Libya, of course, and then all those. other things as she traveled around. And. so, that's the server issue. But a lot. of people don't actually understand that. and they they put the server issue with. the Benghazi attacks. But that's what people think is on the. server, and they think that she could. get tried for what's on the server. Does. that make sense? Cuz that would be the. evidence of the activities everyone said.

she did. And that's what got wiped, that. info. It's not really I mean, there was. probably some emails that night about. the Benghazi attacks, but that's not why. people cared about what was on the. server. And that just got wiped. Yeah. Just. it's gone. I mean, there might have been people who. got into it. But yes, it's it's not it's not with any. sort of agency who can prosecute her. Got you. Got you.

What could she have done? What could have they Could the Obama. administration have. Yeah, cuz I don't think Hillary could. have done anything. I mean, Hillary just. got in the way that night, right? I. mean, as most people know, she made the. fast team change four times. Um the the thing is. as the attacks were going on, um the the head of the Libyan Air Force. said, "Send in what you want. Do what. you want. You have free reign." Like. they gave him blanket authority. So, whatever State Department that night.

argued over changing people's clothes or. air clearances, none of that was real. because they had immediate clearances to. fly in anything they wanted. There was. no rules on what you're wearing, what. planes you brought in. So, all that's. just made up. Like they had full flight. clearances to come and do whatever they. want. They had 100% clearance from the Libyan. government to come and save our people. Air Force. Anyway they wanted to. Yeah, his name was um like General Hal. Hassi. He's he said, "Do what you need.". Um and this happens a lot in African.

crises. Um Algeria's done it before. You. know, do what you need, um. kind of thing. So, so it it's not rare. that he said that, right? He's like, "Hey, come in with what you want." Um so. yeah, any of buddies saying, "Oh no, we. had to work through those things and. discuss those things." That's not true. They had clearances from the beginning. So, she just got in the way when all. those negotiations with the the fast and. the uniforms, I don't know what that. was. Um. I mean, Obama, as everybody knows, he. did tell the Secretary of Defense,

you know, do use all means to do this. And then he got on a plane to Vegas to. go see Beyoncé and Jay-Z. It's like, why. did he not cancel that trip and stay and. make sure. his orders are followed up on, right? Like, that's one thing that wasn't done. that surprises me that nobody ever. complains about. Um. So, Obama. this is while the attacks are happening. Mhm. Yeah, he flew to Vegas while the. attacks are happening.

have a depart- we have an embassy and a. CIA annex under attack. and the president of the United States. is flying to Vegas to meet with Beyoncé. Yep. You hear that, everybody? So, the problem is way bigger than. Hillary. I don't like to focus on. Hillary because if she's like the. scapegoat and she's done a million. things wrong, but God, there's so many. other people. Jake Sullivan is in a. super senior role in our government who. had a way bigger role than Hillary and.

like people just ignore it. And like I. said, they don't care that Obama went to. Vegas. It just It blows my mind. And. then the fact that the Department of. Defense can't They could not respond. They weren't even close to responding. that night. Like, pure failure. Um. and yeah, all that stuff got pushed You. know, you just say it's Hillary and. everyone's like, yeah. And then nobody. else had to be held accountable. Let's uh. let's take a quick break.

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All right, Sarah, we're back from the. break, so I want to talk a little bit. about the committee that you got. recruited on. So, in 2015, you got. recruited from the CIA by Trey Gowdy to. be an executive. appointment on the Select Committee on. Benghazi. How did that come about? Like most things, I think some of the. guys from Benghazi gave Trey my phone.

number, and he called me. Um so, we just had initial discussions. Um he was just asking basics. Um. kind of like how things worked in. Benghazi, the different terrorists, you know, just. kind of atmospherics that he didn't know. or understand. And then, um he liked. what I had to say, and he said, "How. about you join my committee?" And I. said, "Hell, no.". Um I was confused though. I didn't pay. much attention to Congress like most. humans, and there had just been a. Benghazi report that came out from.

another committee um that was run by. Mike Rogers, and it was horrible. I. actually had read it and like commented. all over it, and so I thought it was. his. And so, it was funny. So, I said, "Hell, no." And then, I told Boone, and. he's like, "You said that to a. congressman? That's super rude." And I. said, "They wrote that crappy report.". He's like, "I think that was someone. else." I was like, "My bad." Um. so, so Boone's like, "Well, if he comes. around, like, you know, maybe have a. discussion, at least see what they're. working on, and see if they're doing. anything you're interested. You should. at least sit down. I said, "If it comes.

around again." And then the funny thing. is, I was considering proposing to the. CIA to let me go work on like a red team. in Afghanistan cuz I thought Mullah Omar. was in Afghanistan um at the time. And. so I was working on kind of a proposal. to like pitch it to see if I could go to. Afghanistan for a year, and then Trey. called me back. And he said, "Will you. come up and just sit with my staff?" Um. and I said, "Fine, I'll come sit with. your staff." So I fly up to DC, and I. find the office finally. I thought it.

was in the basement. Apparently it's. not. There's multiple basements in the. capital, who knew? And I'm in a. conference room with his staff, and like. the staff director is like sleeping. during the meeting. And anyway, we we. get done with it, and Trey Gowdy calls. me, and he's like, "Hey, what did you. think?" I said, "I just don't think this. is for me." And he said, "I'll let you. live in Tampa." Cuz I was living in. wanted to stay in Florida at the time. And I said, "Okay, now we're speaking.". So we had a little negotiation and a. little discussion, and then I decided to.

join the committee. So I basically like. transferred from the CIA, you know, kind. of in the government process, over to. the Benghazi Committee. The interesting. thing though. were those discussions like? When you left CIA to go to the. committee? CIA was easy, but I'll I'll circle back. and give you a different response. though. Okay. So So I went to the committee, and how. Trey wanted the committee, he wanted. kind of like all the Republicans and. Democrats to like sit together and work. together. So he never even asked me my.

political party, and I wasn't political. anyway. But on paper I was a Democrat. Um so the Democrats realized Trey hired. a Democrat, and they came at me like. there's no tomorrow. This is the. Democrat side of the Benghazi Committee. So. They came at you? Yeah. Why? Because I was a Democrat joining the. Republican side of the committee. apparently, but I was apolitical. Um. So was there.

So. Was their motivation to get to the. bottom of what happened or just to make. their people look good? No, they they were their their. motivation was to make sure Hillary. didn't look bad. And then they had this. weird conspiracy it seemed that I knew. stuff that didn't exist um that I knew. covert action stuff and Trey hired me to. cover it up so it wouldn't come out. But. you know, that's all that crazy stuff. that the. Benghazi annex was moving weapons to.

Syria. It's like guys, if we're going to. move weapons to Syria, we don't need to. ship them through some crappy little. State Department and CIA annex in. Benghazi to get them all the way Syria, right? We would just take them to Turkey. and bring them in. So yeah, like so all. that was all that's a conspiracy, right? But a lot of people at that time were. still thinking, oh, you were attacked. for your weapons or whatever. And it's. like we had zero weapons, you know, like. um and we weren't bringing in weapons. So there is no stingers. So a lot of. people get confused. So stingers, right,

are US made and we gave them to the. Afghan Mujahideen. There was zero. stingers in all of Libya. What Libya had. is Russian SA-7s, SA-9s. So they're also. MANPADS, but they came out of Gaddafi's. stockpiles and then they proliferated. everywhere as you can imagine. But a lot. of people get confused that those. MANPADS in Libya are there because the. US brought them in like stingers. And. it's like, no, those are Gaddafi's. MANPADS and now we're just trying to get. rid of them so the terrorists don't get.

them. So it's a huge confusion among. people cuz they confuse what we did I. think like Charlie Wilson's War or. something and they think that's what we. did. It's like the Libyan Revolution, we. were air support, right? Like we dropped. stuff from planes. That's how we helped. them win. It was nothing like the you. know, the Soviet war. Um. So, anyway, back to wherever I was. So, um. yeah, so that was their theory. I knew. covert action stuff that um really. didn't exist. Um so, what they first did.

is they barred me from doing anything. Like, I couldn't even go on like the. systems. So, I couldn't work. My first 2. months, I could use like no work. Like, I don't even think I could get in the. email. Who barred you? The the basically the Dems kind of put. something in to like stop me from being. able to work. So, then they went to the. CIA to have the CIA remove me from the. committee. So, so I had to go over to. the CIA with the CIA lawyers, and it was. funny cuz the CIA lawyers were like. going to the Dems,

"It's odd she's on a committee, but. she's like the advisor, so it's. completely logical that he would hire. someone who worked in Benghazi as his. advisor on Benghazi." So, the CIA said, "We see no conflict." Cuz I think they. still had that weird covert action. theory. So, the CIA lawyers were. confused, right? Because. the everything was baseless. So, the CIA. said, "She can stay cuz we see no. conflict." So, then they were going to. do this weird thing where they're going. to release a report on me. um. that talked about some of my time in.

Africa that was an issue. And I'll say. what I think it maybe was. I've no idea. Maybe it was made up. And um but it. ended up being I was undercover when I. was in Africa. So, luckily our lawyers. on our side went back and said, "Hey, you can't just release stuff. um. on the CIA without getting the CIA to. approve it. Like, if you want to put. something out on Sarah, you know, send. it to the CIA for review, and you can. put it out." And we did that, and they. backed away. But, Elijah Cummings got. really involved, and he said to his. staff, "Like, what is this?" So, he uh.

he stepped in and said, "This is. foolish, too, you know?" So, he was the. Dem leader of the committee. So, he. wasn't an I wouldn't call Elijah. Cummings an issue. It was like the. people under him. So, he stopped that. But, there is one thing. So, when I was. in Tripoli in the spring, um. I was there going after MBM, you know, who then did the attacks. But, also, the. main target in Tripoli was Abu Anas. al-Libi, who had done the Kenyan. Tanzania attacks. And so, when I first.

left for Libya, I went to the CIA and. said, "Hey, I'm going out. The COS wants. me to come and do capture operations.". They're like, "There's no legal. approvals for capture operations. We're. not going to give you any approvals. You're not going to capture anyone." And. then I went out and we put it all in. motion. We got drones. We got approvals. And then they're like, "Holy crap." So, they circle back around and said, "Hey, now that you have the whole. infrastructure, go capture Abu Anas.". And I refused to capture Abu Anas. because the issue with Abu Anas al-Libi.

is he was detained all these years in. Iran. And he was released cuz he was. about to die. I mean, you should have. seen this guy. He couldn't even like. like his brother took care of his. family. Like, he couldn't carry stuff. Like, he was like on death's doorstep, right? Like, and I said I I can't. capture him. He's going to die in our. custody. And as you know, we were going. to use militias. An intelligence service was just set up. And I said, "He's going to 100% die in. our custody." So, I went I said it to.

COS. I said, "If we capture him, he will. die before he goes to a courtroom. Like, I promise you." And so, he backed me and. we refused to do the capture. So, after. we both left, they did the capture. He. died in custody before he went to court. Um so, but um. a lot of people had issues with the fact. that I. refused to capture him. But, it's like, what are you going to do with a dead. terrorist on your hands? That's even. worse. And it was really bad because. when he died in custody, they even tried.

keeping him alive. They gave him a liver. transplant that could have went to an. American. So, basically, another. American died for him. I mean, it was. really messy. It's like they never. should have touched him. He was on. death's doorstep. But anyway, so that. was my entry into the Benghazi. Committee. Finally, they agreed that I would sit down and. have a like a one-on-one with the Dims, and they asked me like a trillion. questions, and then they let me work. So. then I finally worked on the committee. But, it was then a month later, cuz.

remember the first 2 months I didn't. even work. So the third month, I'm. finally working, and I go over to CIA. to do real work. And I get in an. elevator. with an It's a me and other people from. the Benghazi Committee, and an analyst. steps on the elevator that I knew was an. analyst in the shop that should be. working Benghazi, and he was good, like, you know, like one of the best analysts. I knew in the agency, and he comes in, and he said, "What are you working on. now?" And I go, "The Benghazi. Committee." And he goes, "I won't touch.

that with a 10-ft pole." And this guy. was like the best, right? And I was. like, "Huh, if like the best guy who's got great. integrity, hard worker in the shop that would be. working Benghazi won't touch it, they're. not doing it." So when I left CIA that. day, I called Boone, and I said, "The. CIA is not going after the Benghazi. attack." He was like, "What are you. talking about? It's been a few years, they must be." I said, "No, that's why. we haven't seen anything. They're not. going after them." And that's the day we. decided to do our own investigation and.

track them down ourselves. Sam, Sam, did you learn anything in that. committee? I learned Congress doesn't have a lot of. teeth. I don't know what teeth they have. now that they're locking people up, and. um but at least when I was there, you know, they put all these committees. together, they write great reports. Our. report's excellent. Um but. what's it do, right? Like they don't. have they don't use the carrots and. sticks they need. I mean, Congress holds. all the money, right? But they never.

actually go make the threats, right? Or. force people to make the change. And so. I don't know what the solution is to. that. They're going to make this big. Afghanistan war commission, right? Is. there teeth at the end? Um, I don't know. Like I I guess I felt. from that I it was interesting working. in Congress, but I I I'm not sure that's. the place for me because I'm like a. doer. I need to like. Would you do it again? I would do the Benghazi Committee again. only for the fact it was the only way I.

realized CIA wasn't working on the. Benghazi attackers 100%. It was worth. that one minute in the elevator. Man. So other than that. Not really. just a waste of time. I mean, kind of. I mean, I liked the. some of the people I worked with. It was. interesting to learn how Congress works. or doesn't work. You know, like those. type of things. Obviously for any kind. of, you know, just to have an. understanding your career. Um, Trey. Gowdy is a very interesting person. We. actually had very a good mix of.

interesting Congress people that I kind. of learned from them and saw how they. did their work, but um. you know, you kind of want to work on something. that has an effect on the end, right? I. mean, that's the kind of person I am. Yeah. So. Yeah. Well, let's get into some of the. attackers that were out there. What's. what's going on with these guys? Who do. you want to start with? Gosh, um. I mean, I think the one we should start. with first is. maybe we just talk about the masterminds. really quick cuz a lot of people get.

confused by that. Okay. Um, so I explained how Al-Qaeda planned. the whole attack to kidnap the. ambassador, right? So that's pretty. clear. It's understood and MBM was the. mastermind. Well, there was a separate. terrorist named Wissam Ben Hamid who. during that night took advantage. and attacked the CIA Annex. So that wasn't part of Al-Qaeda's plan, nor did any of the Al-Qaeda attackers go. to the CIA annex. That's completely. separate. And that one is a lot of work,

just FYI, if you're trying to track. these people down. So, the craziest thing happened. So, he was. hanging out outside watching. the the attack on the consulate, and he. got a phone call. And um it was a guy in. Tripoli saying, "Hey, I just got a call. from the Americans here." Which was. actually JSOC he's referring to, the two. JSOC guys. "Hey, I just got a call from. the Americans. They're sending a rescue. force from here to. um Benghazi, and they want you to help.".

And he's like, "What the There's more. Americans coming to Benghazi?" And he. kind of like lost it on the phone. Um. so, he was the one called to go pick up. Team Tripoli. Okay? So, um by a crazy random guy JSOC had a. relationship with, which probably wasn't. a solid relationship as we now know. Um. so, he hangs up the phone, and someone. nearby hears him say, "I'm going to kill.

all the Americans tonight." So, that. then is when he puts the whole plan in. motion to do the mortars. So, he sends a. commander to the airport to now. interdict. Team Tripoli when they come and hold. them up. So, Team Tripoli arrived, I. mean I have the exact time, maybe 1:30. in the morning, um and they held them at the airport. till almost 5:00 in the morning. And. then that commander um. Wisam called him and said, "Hey, let. them go." And the crazy part is when the.

when the CIA officers heard that in real. time. So, he heard him say, "Hey, Wisam. Ben Hamid said we can go now." So, luckily we caught that piece of the. conversation, too. Um. so, the commander though is completely. unwitting, which is crazy. So, the. commander moves Team Tripoli to the CIA. annex, and then he goes inside the. building where where the skiff is. Um so Bob's in there and all the CIA. personnel and then the GRS team leads. So they're all in this one building.

Um. and Wissam Ben Hamid calls this guy's. fighters outside and tells them to. leave. And the guy calls and says, "I. can't leave. My commander's inside." And. Wissam's like, "I don't care about your. commander. Leave." So the the the forces. that took Team Tripoli abandoned the. building and then the first mortar hits. So, that's how quick it was. They. arrived at 5:05 p.m. That first mortar. hit at 5:07 I mean 5:05 a.m. and the. first mortar hit at 5:17 a.m. So, the.

whole holding up of the airport was just. for the mortar strike setup. But and. Wissam did it. The crazy part is that. Wissam is the one I said early on that. was killed by um the Libyan National. Army. But he did so well in this attack, he. eventually became the AQ head for. Benghazi. No kidding. Yep. And the the crazy part is is so there. was a huge war in Benghazi with the. terrorists. It went from 2014 to January. 2017. He took over I want to say late.

2014 early 2015 and they started losing. And so the head of AQIM actually did a. whole call out to international. terrorists of AQ all over the world and. basically said, "Go to Benghazi and. fight with Wissam. Like go save our base. in Benghazi." And it actually worked and. they they survived another 14 months. until the mortar strike on Wissam. So, it was the Libyan National Army and the. Emirates that did the strike and um he.

got hit and he suffered maybe for about. 10 days and died. Yay. And um. so, Al-Qaeda was afraid when the rest. heard Wissam was dead, they'd give up. fighting so they lied about it. And so. they lied about it for a few weeks until. they couldn't lie about it anymore and. then. um Benghazi fell, and Al-Qaeda lost its. base there, and they haven't gotten it. back since. How many How many countries is are. Al-Qaeda operating in? Oh, gosh. Do you have any idea?

I mean. in most countries, they at least have. clandestine officers. You know, Al-Qaeda. is so entrenched in places, they have. like people working like visa lines at. embassies in Europe, for example. I. mean, think about it. How many years. they've been in operation? There are. plenty people behind Al-Qaeda that don't. shoot guns. They just get ignored. Plenty people involved in the finances. So, I mean. they're pretty global. Mhm. Do you think they're bigger than cartel?

I think. it would depend. I mean, if we're. talking if they bring in as much money, you know, that's kind of where you get. tough, but I think in bodies, they're. bigger than a cartel. How much bigger? I mean, they have so much more reach. than a cartel. You know, like they're. Cartels are like regional. They might. have some international tie. I mean, Al-Qaeda can kind of go anywhere, and. they have a power broker to help them do. something.

Okay. You know? Nope. They're almost like an embassy. They're. almost like, right? Embassy. Like we. have embassies. US has outreach all over. with embassies. Al-Qaeda has that in a. form. Mhm. Okay. What about What about ISIS, some of these other organizations? I'm. just trying to paint a picture of how. prevalent these organizations actually. are, cuz I think a lot of people think. Al-Qaeda. Afghanistan. Oh, yeah. No. Um. ISIS, Syria, Iraq, you know. And so, I.

want to. This isn't a centralized network. No. And remember, Al-Qaeda is. the main. vein of terrorism, right? So, if you. talk about other groups like al-Shabab, Hezbollah, whomever, right? Like, al-Qaeda links in with all of. those main groups, right? So, they're. kind of like the godfather of terrorism, and everyone else is like, "Ooh, al-Qaeda." Right? So, so all those. people are going to places like.

Afghanistan cuz now it is al-Qaeda's. hub, but al-Qaeda has branches. everywhere. So, so ISIS wanted to be. al-Qaeda, and they did a pretty damn. good job, but ISIS is way scarier than. al-Qaeda if they were ever al-Qaeda. size, right? They just could not get. there because luckily people went after. them harder, I feel. I feel people. targeted ISIS probably better than. al-Qaeda. Um. and so so they're mostly known um. for Syria and Iraq, but they're but. they're still keep popping up, you know, like just even a couple years ago they.

they did a lot of damage in Mozambique. So, they they keep trying to make their. inroads. Um really now though, you're. mostly hearing about the ISIS branch in. Afghanistan, but I think a lot of that. is our press and our narrative are. trying to say, "Oh, no, the Taliban are. our counterterrorism partner." So, we're. kind of talking up ISIS-K in Afghanistan. to make ISIS the threat so you ignore. the Taliban's working with al-Qaeda, if. that makes sense. Mhm. So, al-Qaeda is the bigger threat in.

Afghanistan than ISIS, but the US. government is saying ISIS is the bigger. threat than al-Qaeda, and so that's. super frustrating cuz it's actually not. a fact. Wow. Wow. Oh, I do have one point though on what. Osama bin Laden really quick. So, he had um. two operational deputies the night of. the attack, and so we're super. interested in both of them. One was a. long-time friend of Zawahiri's that. basically brought in a bunch of al-Qaeda. people to fight during the Libyan. Revolution. A lot of people don't.

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show. Thank you. The Libyan revolution was not some. democratic movement. It was terrorists. taking it to Gaddafi because he locked. them up forever and most of the people. fighting it or at least leading militias. were terrorists. And Al-Qaeda brought in. lots of terrorists to fight in the. Libyan revolution. So, there seems to be. a really complete disconnect that it's. all like Libyans who, you know, I was a. barber and now I'm a warrior. It's like,

yeah, but you work for the terrorist. that ran your group. Um so he's one of. the big targets um that was involved. then in the annex cuz you know, we focus. a little on the annex when we can cuz of. the CIA. But the other one is Wissam's. brother and the crazy part is he lives. in Turkey and in 2018, he applied for a. visa to the United States and it got. granted. 2018, they granted Wissam Ben. Hamed. who attacked the CIA annex and killed. Ronan Bab, a damn visa. Thank God he. went to the airport and he must have.

been on some sort of Turkish list or. something and the Turks didn't let him. fly to America. Are you serious? He was granted a US visa. When what in 2018? 2018. So this wasn't some long super. time ago. Um so it's super frustrating. It It's. really frustrating working Benghazi as. you can imagine because people don't. care and stuff like this happens and he. almost got to the United States. Um So that's a really big thing then. this even says he joined ISIS in 2015. Yeah, he's basically like um.

So this guy was Al-Qaeda, ISIS and we're. known and we're granting him a visa. Well, the brother is a big funder of. ISIS even. So the one in Turkey, he's a. huge he's a millionaire. He's like a. multi-millionaire and he's a terrorist. financier and he also he finances. Al-Qaeda and ISIS. The really. interesting part is um when. Wissam Ben Hamed died, all these like. people called him like the head of Hamas.

called him. But you know who called him. but people ignore? Remember Abdullah. Azzam? He's kind of like the godfather. of Al-Qaeda. His son called Wissam Ben. Hamed's family and said sorry for your. loss. You know, like these things are so much. bigger than we just talk about an attack. on the consulate in Benghazi and people. are so lost that it is this big thing, and it's all connected, right? They want. to ignore that, and they want to make. Benghazi this little thing on the side.

that randomly happened, when it's a. piece of the whole pie. to compartmentalize everything. Exactly. Where are these guys now? Well, we could talk about one that just in. July we luckily he ended up finally. getting watch-listed after 11 years. And. again, it was in Turkey, and he um he'd. been traveling back and forth to Turkey. cuz he lost his leg, and he goes there.

for his treatment. So luckily he was. finally watch-listed. Um his name is. Ziad Ballam, and he's Al-Qaeda. He's pretty much. right now probably one of our top three. or four senior Al-Qaeda members at the. Benghazi attacks. So the Turkish. authorities at the Istanbul Airport. capture him. And then they plan to deport him to. Benghazi cuz that's where he is a wanted. terrorist. And in Libya there's two. different governments, an East. government and a West government. The. East government is where the LNA is, and. General Haftar, if you've heard of him.

And then the other government is the one. the US is aligned to. So the government the US is aligned to, that prime minister. basically gets involved, and he tells. the Turks, "No, you're not sending him. to Benghazi, you're sending him to. Tripoli." He was having him sent to. Tripoli so he can release something. No. one believed me he was being sent to. Tripoli to be released. He sends him to. Tripoli, he held him for 10 days, and. guess where he is? Released. That's the US ally that is our one point.

of contact in Libya. He released Ziad in. July. A captured terrorist. involved in Benghazi attacks. And the. thing is, Ziad is. our emotional top target because he. stole a weapon the night of the attacks. a saw and the CIA had two saws and were. 99.9% sure it's our saw and so he. actually stole a CIA weapon the night of.

the attacks, too. A saw is a belt-fed machine gun for. those that don't know. So also he could get him for looting. Why did they Why would they release him? The problem is is. So the general that I've talked about, he's the one fighting all the. terrorists. He's the one that took the. war in 2014 against the terrorists in. Benghazi in the east. And then as he. beat the terrorists and killed them, they moved and they moved they moved and. they moved to Tripoli. Tripoli is their.

safe haven. They're protected by the. government of Libya. Remember, that's a. separate government. So when Libya. formed after Gaddafi fell, they the. government in Libya stayed with the. terrorists cuz the terrorists kept them. in power. So you know the old LIFG guys, Al-Qaeda. So they stayed aligned with. the terrorists and they still are. So. yes, the US ally in Libya is the same. side Al-Qaeda is on.

This makes zero sense to me. Yeah, and we've been that way for 10. years. What do you think this guy is out doing? I don't know. He was pretty He was. pretty pretty spooked from what I heard. and he actually thinks it's a whole big. operation against Al-Qaeda in Libya, which could be good and bad, right? He. could go full. full extreme or he could go into hiding. and maybe not do anything for a while,

but um. it actually did spook him. How about. Hazma al-. Darnawi? Yeah, Hamza al-Darnawi. Yeah, so we talk. about a terrorist that kind of like. Boone interacted with a couple times in. his career. And so. lately we've been bringing up Hamza cuz. Hamza's super interesting. So back when. we were in Pakistan, kind of when I met. Boone, Hamza was one of the top targets. at the time. You know how I said like we. had the top 10 Taliban list? We had a.

top 20 al-Qaeda list and Hamza was on it. the entire time we were in Pakistan. Um I go to Libya and then I told you I. go to Benghazi in August and basically. the top al-Qaeda target in Benghazi like. the day I got there was Hamza. al-Darnawi. So Hamza al-Darnawi ends up. being involved in our attacks. The. really interesting thing is when he was. wanted in Pakistan, it's because he was. running like an electronics workshop for.

Bin Laden. Like Bin Laden kind of took. him under his wing and he was Bin. Laden's guy that like you know how they. kept wanting to try to find a new way to. attack, like a new innovative way to. attack? Hamza was Bin Laden's guy to. where. Bin Laden gave him a whole like. like scientific research laboratory. That's what we called electronics lab. So so very close friend of Bin Laden, super involved in external planning. Obviously was involved in Benghazi.

attacks. Where do you think he is now? Back in Libya. Oh no, we wish. Where? Afghanistan. Yes. Go figure. Yeah. Again, we know he was a top target he's. been a top target of the US government. for. gosh, who knows how many years. He's. sanctioned by the US. Um and it's like hey, it's just another. big al-Qaeda guy. who's Libyan in Afghanistan. Why the. hell's he there? He's there training terrorists to come.

attack the United States. And they're not doing anything about it. I mean where do you where do you. And we've shared. It's been shared. It's. not just a Shine Ryan show. I have. provided to the US government that he is. there, just FYI. Well, I mean, what is their response. when you when you say that? When you say. this guy is in Afghanistan. training terrorists to come attack us. What is the response?

Um I really just get thanks for your. info. And then nothing happens. Yeah, a year ago I did provide something. really good. And it actually did go up. to the White House level and they. decided they didn't want to do anything. with it. into that at all or no? Probably not in this forum without. talking to all the other people. involved, as you can imagine, who. Mhm. would be at risk. Um cuz the negative. is, right? If you don't go after info, you still want to keep your people in. play who can collect that info in the. hopes that maybe the US will finally.

come around and go after the terrorist. You don't want obviously lose the people. who can report that info. Why do you think they're not going after. these guys? Because. they want you to believe Al-Qaeda does. not exist in Afghanistan. So, how can you kill. a Libyan Al-Qaeda member in Afghanistan? Because they want us to forget about. Afghanistan. and move on. I've heard this from Congressman. I've. heard I've. I'm hearing this.

They really think this is just going to. go away. 100%. The only reason Afghanistan hasn't. gone away is all these pesky volunteers. like me, like Scott, whomever, still. trying to save their Afghans. And we've. gotten in their way and they're sick of. it and they're just waiting to plow. through us until it's a long, you know, it's not in the press anymore and it's. ignored and they can move on. They never. wanted it to go on for 2 more years. We're like annoying them at this point. What do you do you think there's going. to be any uh.

recourse towards you or Scott or. any anybody? Since there's like a thousand of us. helping Afghans, I mean, I doubt it. I mean, there was some in some. government agencies, they had people did. go after they were gone after for. actually helping with evacs. My job very. different. My bosses were super. supportive of me being involved in the. Afghan evacuation. A large number of. people in my office actually supported. it. So, I think the majority of actually. worker bees in the US government were.

supportive of helping Afghans. It's kind. of the senior level stuff that we all. stay out of, right? But, I I think. normal everyday people who have worked. counterterrorism their whole career are. very concerned about Afghanistan. Yeah, I'll bet. I'll bet. I mean, how many of these top-level guys are out. there that. we're just ignoring? Do you have an. estimation on that? Well, there's two different things. There's guys we're ignoring and guys we. thought that were dead that aren't.

They're so both those are in. Afghanistan. Mhm. I'd say if you want if you're asking me. people who had like over million-dollar. bounties on their head, maybe. Guess it's good way to do it. Okay. So, that they were they had a million, five million, or ten million-dollar. bounty and they're in Afghanistan right. now. I'd say there's 15 of them. And I'm not saying Taliban. 15 that. aren't Taliban. Cuz people will be like, "Oh, Taliban, we put a million on. Baradar." I'm talking Al-Qaeda or other. very known terrorist groups. You think we're going to be back there.

someday? We have to be. They're coming down They're coming The. thing is, remember, they're on offense. now and they are coming for us. And a. lot of them, remember, a lot of these. guys we locked up for 20 years and we. didn't lock them up in um a nice prison. in the United States. They were in. Pul-e-Charkhi prison. It's like this. really shitty prison outside Kabul. Like, there are there are terrorists. very, very upset and they want revenge. What do you think the probability of.

another 9/11 attack is? Did I already. ask that on here? No, you haven't asked me that. Okay. Um. I think exactly how it's done, it is. hard to replace Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. KSM who planned it. I'm not going to. lie, he was a genius. Um. but. do they want to do something at level? Yes. Do I think that they will do. something more innovative than 9/11? Definitely. Remember they tried it with. obvious the liquids on the airplanes. I. think the next attack will probably be.

something more innovative. I don't think. it's going to be 3,000, but I don't. think it's going to matter if it's. 3,000, right? Because they want to hit. here and they want to show they can do. it and they want to do something. spectacular. How do you know that they want to hit. here? Cuz we're their top enemy. And we it we always will be. It's never. going to change. And remember. Are we picking up traffic from them that. are saying this? Do you know? I have no idea if we're even collecting. traffic anymore.

Oh man. Uh it's funny because you know, um a. month or two ago I found um you know, one of our newest Benghazi attackers, the one I told you it was in Gitmo. And. he's the one talking to the Connie's. And the funny part is the Libyan that. was telling me that he said, "Well, I. hope your your country's collecting what. he's saying to the Connie's." I said, "My country is not even They don't even. know this Gitmo guy was involved in. Benghazi, let alone he's still a. terrorist." Right? Think of it. We. haven't even collected on what happened. to the Gitmo guy's release. Can you. imagine what we're doing to anybody.

else? We're not we're. We're not collecting on these guys? They don't know that he's been a. terrorist for 11 years. Honestly, I actually went to look what. they Even when he was in Gitmo, they. didn't even know he was Al-Qaeda. So, let's not even a call our Gitmo. debriefings done well cuz he was. Al-Qaeda when they picked him up and put. him in Gitmo and none of his Gitmo files. so he was al-Qaeda. Zero. Um. So. This is not painting a good picture, Sarah. I know it's not.

Do you think they're going to come. through the southern border? I think the southern border is easiest. place to come through, but if they can. get in the refugee pipeline they can. come straight in. So the refugee. pipeline is very dangerous. What a lot. of people Here's an argument you'll get. um. and people need to understand this. They'll be like, "Well, there's been. terrorist attacks all around the world. and Afghans weren't involved in them, right?". It's cuz the Afghan passport was so. weak. Now the Afghan passport is extremely. powerful because a lot of humanitarians.

are like, "We need to save these Afghans. from the terrorists." So Afghans are. being brought in all over the world and. al-Qaeda is like, "Holy crap!". even need the southern border. They don't. Our terrorists in Libya, they were given official Libyan. passports and fake names. It's the exact. same thing the Taliban is doing. The terrorists can get passports for. other countries even now, right? So they. don't have to come over the border, but.

there are some still doing the border to. actually even just to see if they can do. it and test it and to kind of learn. about our weaknesses cuz remember. terrorists are always looking at our. weaknesses. You know, I used to do. detainee debriefings and you know, I'm. trying to learn about them, but you pay. a lot attention to what they're trying. to learn about you, right? And they are. going to find our weaknesses and our. southern border is probably our biggest. weakness right now. Yeah. Yeah. You and you think. we're the we're their number one. priority?

100%. Even though we're gone? 100%. number one priority. Remember, we killed their family Remember, this. isn't just Afghanistan. We killed their. family members in Afghanistan, the. terrorist family members. We killed the. terrorist family members in Iraq, right? Like. we killed a bunch of them when they did. spend a little bit of time they did in. ISIS and Libya. Like there is a lot of. revenge, you know. Yemen. Yep, exactly. Yemen's a really good. example. People always ignore how. powerful AQAP is. So, you know how we.

talked about you said who's in. Afghanistan and I said hey let's go 1. million over. So so the main AQAP target. that I think they thought was dead, his. name is Ibrahim al-Banna. Guess where he. is. Afghanistan. Afghanistan. So AQAP senior leader in. Afghanistan as well. Being completely ignored. And guess who he hangs out with? Hamza bin Laden. Do you think that the resistance has any.

hope. of taking their country back? I think. I think they The good thing about the. resistance is. what I'm saying to you they know all. that, right? So the resistance aren't. naive, right? They they are the experts, right? They know their enemy, which. is the most valuable thing, right? Cuz. we really don't know our enemy most of. the time. Thank God the resistance knows.

their enemy. The resistance has to build a very. powerful coalition. That's how they win. And if they keep separated or keep. anything ethnic, it's just not going to. be enough cuz the Taliban is so big and. so powerful. Like they have to hit back. with the same strength. And so I don't. even know what percentage of bodies the. Taliban is, but I don't know if they're. 40 or 50% of the population, then your. resistance has to be 40 to 50% of the. population. And that's what they have to. get to. And I think I think they can.

win, but it's going to be a lot of. gorilla stuff, right? Cuz I mean the. Taliban are better armed, but I I'm. positive that they can win, but they all. have to come together and there has to. be a catalyst to bring them all. together, and we haven't seen that. happen yet. Couple more people I want to talk about. We got two Benghazi prisoners in US. prisons. Um. I met Abu Khattala, convicted of terrorism charges, not. murder charges, currently in a Colorado. prison. Uh and Mustafa al-Imam, sentenced to 19.

years in prison. Why don't these guys. have death penalties? Why don't they have life? They're not even attackers. They're just low-level? No, they're not even low-level. So, um. Abu Khattala is a little a little messed. up in the head. Mhm. So, al-Qaeda never shared the attack. with Abu Khattala. The US actually lies. to everybody. So, during the revolution, Khattala had a little militia of all.

like Khattala lived in like Compton, okay? Is the best way to put it. Okay. Shittiest neighborhood in Benghazi. And. so, like 20 of the guys got together, and they had a militia. It was a pretty. good militia, right? Cuz they were like. the toughest, roughest guys. After Gaddafi fell, they disbanded the. militia. So, in 2012, Khattala was not. in a terrorist group. And he's a little. bit crazy. Some people say it was. Gaddafi tortured him, whatever reason. So, al-Qaeda never shared the attack. with Khattala.

Okay. So, Khattala is sitting at home drinking. tea. He gets a call from Mustafa. al-Imam, who just found out there's an. attack, and said, "Hey, there's an. attack going on the US consulate. Let's. meet there." And they went down and met. there. The crazy part is, Khattala. stayed outside the entire attack. So, the whole time al-Qaeda was in, he. stayed outside. And then, if you. understand anything about the timeline, he didn't even go into the compound till. after GRS and State Department left. So, a whole 'nother hour. Then he went in. the entire compound and did a little.

looting. So, he was he's a fake. mastermind the US lied to so they didn't. have to tell you it was Al-Qaeda. Um the. good part is the jury kind of saw. through it and that's why your other. part of the question, he didn't get the. death penalty because they were like. there seems to be like no evidence that. he really was much of an attacker, let. alone the mastermind. Um but yeah, they. are low-hanging fruit. Mustafa was. basically, I'm assuming, only detained. to back up the Qatala one because they. went to Misrata and got Mustafa and.

within a half a mile of Mustafa was at. least three senior Benghazi attackers. And right where he was. Man, what what what. So, these guys are just scapegoats. Yeah, and worse, they have no Al-Qaeda. background. So, Mustafa al-Imam, he's. really weird like his father maybe did a. little extremist stuff. Maybe he was in. Palestine, maybe had some sort of.

relationships with Hamas, but like he. wasn't like some known Hamas fighter. And then the family emigrated to. Libya and he got in some sort of trouble. and he got put in Abu Salim prison. That's Gaddafi's big prison. In prison, he makes best friends with Qatala. So, then they all get broken out during the. Libyan Revolution and he moves to. Benghazi. So, honestly, you know how. long it took me to find anyone in. Benghazi who knew Mustafa Imam and then. when I did, they're like, "That idiot? Like he's a nobody. He's not He was like. a terrorist for like a few weeks or.

something." Um so, yes, it's a I think. they captured Mustafa al-Imam to. strengthen the Qatala piece of their. fake narrative. Oh, man. How much. It's just. I mean. I'm going off on a tangent here, but it. really. it. urks me that people still I mean. the news the news the false narratives. scapegoats I mean it's.

the media has really turned into just a. state megaphone. I know. And the part that really. frustrates me though is. they put him on trial knowing like Boone. may refuse to testify. He's like he's. not the mastermind. So they knew there. was people in Benghazi who didn't knew. he wasn't the mastermind and they still. put him on trial and I felt I feel like. that's a real big lack of integrity too. And remember, we sent a team to go get. him so we risked American lives to pick. up like some low-hanging fruit that.

wasn't even a attacker. Like what if. some of them would have got killed? It's. I wish I could just get through to. people, you know, to to not. buy off on everything they see on the. news and and and and and this is another. example. This is I mean. you are the type of person that briefs. the White House and.

people are still going to go to the news. and it's it's it just it's a it's. I don't know how to get through to them. I know. But. but um I don't want to beat a dead. horse, but how fast do you think. these terrorist organizations are going. to kind of get back up to what they were. before. we started taking them out? Like what is. the. regeneration process for Al-Qaeda? Is it.

Is it already back up? Well, if we just look I like to compare. to Libya cuz it was a real example, right? So Gaddafi fell the end of. October. So be beginning of November, Al-Qaeda started setting up a base. They. were actually doing a real base in. Benghazi, right? Um they took our they. did our attacks in September and I told. you General Haftar had that war against. them. Guess how many soldiers they. killed from 2014 to 2017. I have no idea.

8,000. And then, you add 20,000 civil civilians. on top of that. That's how powerful. Al-Qaeda got from the end of 2011 to. basically 2014. So, Al-Qaeda is a year away from that in. Afghanistan. Right back up to what it was. Oh, and a thousand times bigger. Cuz. remember, Al-Qaeda had like little pockets of. training. Obviously, everybody knows. about Tarnak Farms down in Kandahar.

There was like a Sarobi camp outside of. Kabul, etc., right? They had little. pockets in Afghanistan. Now, there's a. training center in every province being. built in Afghanistan. Like the level. isn't even. The Al-Qaeda that is coming is so much. bigger than the Al-Qaeda on 9/11. Like. it's it's They're already probably. bigger than 9/11. That's scary. Yes. So, we're not even We have no. progress on Al-Qaeda at this point.

So, we have. from a. geopolitical standpoint here, we've got. Russia-Ukraine going on. We have major beef with China. Mhm. Taiwan. We've got And now we. we have ISIS. We have Al-Qaeda, which is. just. massing. incredible amounts of people. And then, we're enemy number one. And don't forget Africa has become coup.

country. Like. Like every country is coup coup coup. coup coup. Like we can't even We're like. losing all access in Africa. Yeah. And it's all going to China and Russia. China and Russia are taking it all. Yeah, they have it all. They're not even. taking it at this point. Do you have any positive news? Oh, is that what I came here for? No. I try to. this was a Sean Ryan show. to end every show with something.

positive, but I'm I'm uh drawing a blank. right now. I mean, I think the positive is there's. a lot of good Americans who've who've. spent 20 years working counterterrorism. who are trying to get the word out, right? Like focus on this threat, make. this a priority. And honestly, when. they're not getting answers, right? Like. like they might work parts of the. government, they're going and collecting. it themselves. Like they are trying to. do something and it's better than I feel. like after Benghazi, nobody did.

anything, right? I feel now, I'm hoping. now after Afghanistan, people like we're. not going to let this happen. Like no, like not on my watch. And that's what we. kind of all need to come together. Yeah. Well, Sarah, I just I just want to say I. really appreciate you coming out and. educating me and the audience. And um. What is What's What's happening in your. future? I mean, my future is I want to get the. mortar team. So, there's it's a 10-man mortar team. that hit the CIA annex. We've we've.

named We recently named one and we got. nine more to go. And that's our. near-term focus. Good for you. Thank you. Well, how can people. get in touch with you? How can they find. you? Where do they get the book? The book's easy. You can just get it on. Amazon and Barnes & Noble. Um we we have. like a Instagram page where mostly we. make fun of terrorists. So, if you don't. like humor around terrorism, maybe don't. come to it. But otherwise, it's. askarymediagroup.com. I mean, askarymediagroup. So, it's a s k.

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