Sadhguru - Stop Letting Your Mind DESTROY You | SRS #315

[music]. >> Sadguru. >> Namaskaram. >> Good morning to you. >> Good morning. >> Welcome to the show. >> Thank you very much. >> I've been really looking forward to this. one. We actually tried to get you two or. three years ago. >> Oh, really? >> And uh so took a bit of but I just want. to say I'm honored to have you here. I'm. very thankful that you're here. And uh. and I'm a very excited to talk to you. about uh a slew of different things.

So. >> [clears throat]. >> you seem like a person that has mastered. being in the moment. >> [laughter]. >> What What does it mean? Let me address. this properly. See. What is being in the moment? I know. in America this has gone on like this. Everybody's talking about being in the. moment. But one moment, Shawn. Be somewhere else and show me.

>> I mean be present. Be present with. what's going on around. >> somewhere else and show me, no. Is it possible? >> It is. >> Huh? >> Not in my mind. In my mind it's possible to be somewhere. else. >> See. if you sit here and think of New York. you're thinking of New York, you're not. there, right? >> Correct. >> If you think of yesterday or of. tomorrow, you're only thinking about it.

So essentially when people say. be in the moment, they're telling you do. not think about the past, do not think. about the future. If you do not think. about the past and future, you will be a. dodo. Yes or no? >> Yes. >> It took millions of years to develop. this brain to this level of capacity. from a single-celled animal to here. >> Mhm. >> And now they're telling you. don't think about the past, don't think. about the future because they don't know.

how to handle the damn thing. These kind of philosophies will destroy. humanity. >> Interesting. >> You are anyway in the moment. Why should I tell you be in the moment? I'm telling you think of a thousand. things. What is your problem? The more you wish to do in this world, the more you have to think, isn't it? >> Correct. >> So, don't think about anything except. what is here. Is a silly way to live? I have at least 12 to 14 tracks in my.

mind all the time running. Otherwise, how do you do everything? >> Well, how do you balance that? >> Hey, why are you off balance I'm asking? You ask a child, a toddler. Look, this this this is walking because. he's yet to know how to balance on two. two legs. Do I ask you, "How are you. Sean, you came walking down the stairs? How are you balancing?" You'll think I'm. stupid or no?

>> I see. >> So, I'm saying when it comes to the use. of the mind, unfortunately, our. education systems have left humanity. largely crippled. They never taught you how to use this. They taught you how to use every other. gadget in the world except this. This is. the most sophisticated technology, human. mechanism, isn't it? >> It is. >> And human mechanism is not just body. It's a combination of body, mind, energy, emotion, everything together.

Only when you handle all these things. well, in some way you can do something. significant and you also be well. Otherwise, if you do something. significant, you are broken. Otherwise, you do nothing, you dope and sit in the. corner. Is that the way human human being should. live? >> No. >> So, I am not an expert in being in the. moment. The whole creation is in this. moment. What is my business to be. elsewhere? >> So, you're you're telling me that.

your mind wanders just as much as. everybody else's. >> Much more. >> Much more. >> Lot more. Many times more. >> And that doesn't bother you at all. >> Why should it? >> Well, >> Your heart is beating, does it bother. you? Should I stop it? Tell me. >> No. >> Your liver, shall I stop it? >> No. >> It's not bothering you? So much they're doing right, all of. them. Your heart, liver, kidney, spleen doing.

many many things right now. Is it. bothering you? Shall we stop it? Only. your brain you want to stop. What's your. problem with that? >> Well, >> [laughter]. >> sometimes my sometimes my thoughts do. bother me. >> No, no. >> They keep me up. >> You do not want to stop the activity of. your heart or liver or kidney or spleen. But only your brain activity you want to. stop. Why I'm asking you? >> I don't like it when I'm talking to. somebody. and I can't remember the conversation.

because my mind is in a completely. different world. Thinking about. something different. >> So, if your heart is working, your liver. doesn't work, is it? It's a complex system. All of them work. at once, isn't it? So, similarly, your mind is also made. like this. It can do a thousand things. at once. But unfortunately, we've made them so. linear. With our kind of thinking, our kind of. education system, our idea of how to.

look at science, all these things have. made us so linear. Now, if two things. come, confused. You've been in combat. If you can't. handle 10 things at a time, you're dead. man. >> Mhm. >> Yes or no? >> Well, don't you think that. or do you think that. being in the moment with another human. being will develop a deeper.

relationship? Family, friends. >> No, I am asking you. Can you be in any other moment in other. than this moment I'm asking? >> No. >> Then why such a teaching? >> I don't know. >> [laughter]. >> A lot of trash is being dispensed in the. world. >> How do you deepen your relationships? >> Me, I'm doing wonderfully well well with. everybody around me.

>> I see that. >> Not one, two, millions of them. Because. human relationships are essentially. need-based. You need some somebody physically, you. need somebody else mentally, you need. somebody else emotionally, you need. somebody else financially, like this. The human relationships are largely. built on their needs. Physical needs, psychological needs,

emotional needs, social needs, maybe financial needs, and other kinds. of needs. As long as it's need-based. If you are coming to me for a certain. need, if I don't fulfill that need, you will break this relationship. But. if you hold a relationship. beyond the needs, then. sometimes your needs may be fulfilled,

sometimes they are not. But if you address another human being. as a human being, not as somebody who fulfills this or. that for you, then there's a genuine relationship. Very few people even have the privilege. of having such relationships. Very few human beings experience the. beauty of such a relationship where. there's nothing to fulfill. It's wonderful. It's a privilege just to.

be with another human being. If you don't bring that into you, this is also there. Two people come. together. Now, this person has a need. Initially, you go there because you have. a need. After some time, you think they. have a need for you. Then it becomes ugly. If you see someone else is. fulfilling your needs, there'll be gratitude. There will be a. deep sense of, you know, connect.

But I sit here and think. I'm fulfilling your need, then this turns ugly, isn't it? Initially, it starts one way. After some. time, they'll make it another way. >> Are you saying those relationships. aren't important? >> See, for a human being, relationships. are important. on two levels. For a whole lot of human beings, what. kind of relationships they hold in their.

life at various levels. determine the very quality of their. life. This is a fact for most human beings. Very few people are above that. And. above all, there are two ways to this. One is need-based relationships. Okay, I. give you this, you give me that. So, transactional. Transactions have to be managed always.

carefully. If you do a wrong transaction, that means if both of us are transacting. and you feel that I'm giving you an. unfair deal, doesn't matter how many years you know. me, suddenly you will become. you know, you'll bristle up. Great. friends turn against each other, lovers. turn against turn against each other, because the deal has gone bad. Essentially, the transaction has gone. bad, isn't it? >> Mhm. >> So, there are transactional.

relationships. But, there can be relationships which. are not looking forward to any. transaction. Simply being together. So, even if the being together is a. need, then it becomes a transaction. If I want to be with you, please spend. this much time with me. If you cannot, then I will become. unhappy about it. To come to a place. where.

I'm asking you as a life, you're a life, right, Shawn? >> Mhm. >> I'm asking this question in a very. different way. I'm not asking are you living? I'm. asking you, are you a piece of life? >> Yes. >> As a life, you think this a complete life? >> Do I think I have a complete life? >> No, no. I'm not talking about you having. a complete life. Are Is this a complete. life? >> Yes. >> It is.

But, there's only one part of you. See, the physical body, all the mechanisms. inside, very complex, but they all feel. like they're complete. There's only one part of you which. struggles, which is your psychological. space, which feels incomplete. There many aspects to this. A large. aspect of it is trained, cultured by. societies in which you live. So, if you. join the army, there they're trying to. reverse the culture.

You're thrown somewhere alone, you to be. there alone, by yourself, without anybody's anything. Maybe as a survival process, not as a way of being. But a yogi is withdrawing just for. himself, just to see if he's a complete. life or he's a half a life. Most people are feeling like half a life. because if there was not one more. person, this person, that person around. them, they'll feel lost.

To. to act in the world, to be effective in. the world, you need to hold good. relationships. If people around you don't love you and. they want to do the best for you, they will want to do the best for you. only if they have some sense of love for. you. But one of the topmost. global companies in the world, top 25. executives are with me for 3 days in a. resort. I have nine volunteers. You. know, our organization is a volunteer.

organization. There are over 7,000. uh whatever number of. maybe 7,300 or 400 full-time volunteers, over 19 million part-time volunteers. >> Wow. >> All of them doing very variety of work. globally. So, these nine guys are working for me. As you must have seen, two volunteers. came here and they've been communicating. with your teams. Volunteers means they're not paid. employees. They're doing it because they. want to do it.

So, these nine people are going about. doing whatever they're doing. These top 25 executives of this major. company in the world, a company that. everyone knows on the planet. I don't want to name them. So, they observe this and the second day. ask, you know, they're always looking. for attrition. They ask, "Sadhguru, where do you get. these people?". I said, "You don't get such people. You. have to make them. How do you make them?

I said you have to make them fall in. love with you. How do we do that? Then I say, first you have to fall in love with. them. Then they say, "Oh, they don't pay us. for that.". >> [laughter]. >> So, when your entire life is. transactional, you live one way. When you. operate out of.

inclusiveness of life, you made everything a part of yourself. Now, it's different. See, right now, the air that you breathe as you sit here. is coming from elsewhere, isn't it? The. plants are exhaling, the trees are. exhaling, we are inhaling. The water. that you drink is coming from elsewhere, the food that you eat is coming from. elsewhere. There's a transaction. It's If you treat it only as a. transaction, you live a very superficial.

life, which unfortunately is beginning. to happen to modern societies. But, actually, this is life-making material, isn't it? The air that we breathe, the water that. we drink, the food that we eat. Our very bodies we slowly gathered with. these things, isn't it? So, if you recognize. that these are all the things making our. life, this is not things to transact. with. Then, we will treat them very.

differently. Beyond transactions. When you conduct relationships beyond. transactional value of what it is, there. may be transactions, but if you treat it. beyond transactional value, then the. relationships are better rooted and they. function much better. And more profound experience of life, above all. After all, with life. there only two things in terms of. experience.

In terms of action, another thing. Let's say three things. When you sit here for any human being, first thing is you want pleasantness of. life. You want to feel pleasant. Pleasantness means what? If you feel pleasant in the body, we. call this health. You want it? Say clearly to Sean. Yes. Because if ill health comes, everything that matters to our life will.

go away, isn't it? Mhm. Health becomes. full-time job. Right now there is health, so we do many. things. No health, we'll do only that, pursuing health. So, when you say yes, don't say yes to. me. You must say yes in such a way every. cell in the body hears it. It's a very. important. Every cell in this body must. hear that you want health. Mixed messages should not happen. >> Okay.

>> So, pleasantness of the body we call as. health. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it. pleasure. Well, that also people want. If man becomes pleasant, we call it. peace. You want? >> Yes. >> It becomes very pleasant, we call it. joy. >> Yes. >> If your emotions become pleasant, we. call this love. >> Yes. >> If it becomes very pleasant, we call it. compassion.

If our surroundings become If our very. life energies become pleasant, we call. this blissfulness. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it. ecstasy. If our surroundings become pleasant, we. call this success. Only to create pleasantness in our. surroundings, we need the cooperation. of many people and forces around us. To create pleasantness of the body,

mind, emotion, and energy is 100%. our business, isn't it? >> Yes, it is. >> That business not taken care of right. now. with most of the people on the planet. There's not stress, distress in most. people. Though, as a generation of people, we have more comforts and conveniences. than any generation ever in the history. of humanity, isn't it? >> It's true.

>> But still, we are not comfortable. We. are not peaceful. So, what's wrong? Something wrong with the world? No, we have not learned how to handle. this. Nothing wrong with the world. >> What are we doing wrong? >> Huh? >> What are we doing wrong? >> Do you agree with me. that this human mechanism. is the most complex technology in the. world? >> I would agree with you.

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problem is. >> [laughter]. >> What was the manual? >> Huh? >> What manual? >> User's manual. >> The user's. >> How do you use it? >> There is no user's manual. >> Who says? You may not come with a tag around your. neck when you come out of your mother's. womb, but it's built into this. If you. pay enough attention, it's all there.

Is it true? Well, you're a soldier. You know this well. Is it true? Among men or women. one person learns to use his body way. better than the other one? The same body. >> Yeah. >> How come? Figured out something, isn't it? >> Practice, drive. >> Doesn't matter. Figured out something. How is not the point. Somehow figured.

out something. Whether an athlete or a soldier or a. yogi or a cook, or whatever, somebody. figured out something better than the. other. Yes or no? >> Yes. >> How did they figure out? More keener observation to things, isn't. it? They looked at it better. They saw a little deeper. Everybody can use their hands. Somebody. uses it like magic. People are even doing magic right in.

front of your eyes, you can't see what. they're doing. >> [laughter]. >> Magicians are openly admitting no magic, it's just. slight of hand. Right in front of you, they do this. You and me think we are smart, and. you're watching like this, but. something comes and something goes. Are they doing or no? Are they they're doing it? They're doing. it.

Same hands they also got like us, but. they're doing something that we can't. do, right? >> [laughter]. >> So, our ability to use this mechanism is. still at its minimum. Because. people have not read the user's manual. So, my fundamental work is this, to. provide them with a user's manual, different levels of manual for different. people. No belief system, no philosophy, no ideology, no teaching.

Technologies. for well-being. How to use this better? How to use it in a way that your own. body and your own mind is not an. impediment in your life. Well, the army is trying to do it in a. different way. How you're not an impediment to. yourself, they're trying to kick it out. of you. It works for that purpose, but it. doesn't work beyond that. So, those who are effective soldiers, or.

athletes or something else where they. performed at a level that most other men. will not perform. Are still quite incompetent with their. lives, isn't it? As you figured out one aspect better. than the other. Similarly, if the. similar attention is paid, other aspects. also can be figured out. That's all I'm. saying. Yes. How many levels are there? You shouldn't fix it like that because. See, if you look at the body,

there are many levels, but it'll stop at. some point. Physical body has a limit. With mind, it's many more. But still there is a limit. But if you explore human consciousness, there's no such thing. There's no limit. Even with the physical world, we've always said this in yoga. We call.

the universe as an ever-expanding. universe. This is how yoga describes the. universe. Today, modern scientists have started. saying the same thing that they're. saying it's expanding. They're not able to figure out where it. begins, where it ends. So now they're not only saying that we. do not know. The top physicists are saying we will. never know. In our perception, we will never know. where it begins, where it ends because.

it seems seemingly endless. So when the physical nature is like. that, you can't figure out where it. begins, where it ends. When you talk about consciousness, there's no limit, there's no level. Just. how much are you cut out for? >> What exactly does that mean? There's no. limit to consciousness. What does that mean for us? >> Let's put it this way. There are four. aspects to human intelligence.

These four. I'll use the Indian terms because they. describe this exactly. The Sanskrit terms are like this. First one is called Buddhi. Which we can largely say is the. intellect. Would you like your intellect to be. sharp or blunt? Sharp.

Why do you think so much? >> [laughter]. >> Because I think there is a. I think there are advantages to being. blunt. >> Really? >> Disadvantages as well, but I think with. blunt, if when you're blunt, your. message will. come across. directly, but maybe with less confusion. >> No, no, I'm not talking about you being. blunt with somebody. >> Okay. >> I'm talking about your intellect. You.

want it sharp or blunt? Sharp. Because the purpose of the intellect is. to penetrate. Sharper the better, isn't it? So, if I give you a knife, I see you're keeping a Rambo knife out. there. >> [laughter]. >> You want it sharp or blunt? >> Sharp. >> Sharp. Because a blunt object is not called a. knife. A sharp object which is called a knife. We don't give a.

>> [clears throat]. >> sharp objects or knives to children. Why? Is because knife is dangerous? >> They don't know how to use it. >> Their hands are not steady. They may cut themselves or cut somebody. else. Knife has never been a dangerous thing. It's never jumped up and stabbed. somebody. It's the hand that uses it. One hand uses it to save a life, another. hand uses it to take a life.

So, the instrument of knife is has to be. sharp. The sharper the better. Similarly, intellect sharper the better. But, most people are cutting themselves. all the time. Say, you've been in the army. >> [laughter]. >> Though you've been in a fighting force, how many times did you get stabbed?

Zero. Nothing. Those who live ordinary lives, even a mosquito doesn't bite them. But, from inside they poke themselves. every day. Because they have a sharp knife. And they're trying to dull it by dipping. it to these bottles. Why do you think in the evening they're. soaking their brain in alcohol or drug? >> Because they're trying to escape. something. >> No, no, to dull the knife that's cutting.

them from inside. >> Okay. >> [snorts]. >> Because if from outside, if you're. coming at me with a knife, these bottles. are dangerous for me. Isn't it? >> Mhm. >> If from inside I'm cutting myself. up, to dull my knife, I drink or drug or do. something. If you dull your knife, uh maybe it'll give you some relief. Not a solution. Isn't it? Definitely it gives you some relief, otherwise so many people are not going.

into it. But, it's not a solution. Essentially, what I'm trying to tell you. is your intellect should be sharp. But, if you want to handle a sharp. object, your hand must be steady and you must be. conscious. If you are like a child, if you are la. la la la la kind, you will cut yourself. up. Right now, that's all that's happening. If you had the brain of an earthworm, you would be quite peaceful.

But you have a human intellect and. you're suffering. Where do you think all the human. suffering is manufactured? In Franklin, is it? >> Where do I think all the human suffering. is manufactured? >> in Franklin? >> I don't think so. No. >> Where? >> I think it's from within. >> It's in the head? In our own head? So, why are we manufacturing something. that we don't want? Unconscious handling of the knife, isn't.

it? Have a knife and if you move. unconsciously, your intestines will come. out. If you have a very sharp knife, you must. be very conscious how you pull it out, how you put it back. Otherwise, it'll. cut you up. Because knife doesn't have a mind of its. own. It will do the way you handle it, isn't it? >> It's true. >> The same with your intellect. If you don't know how to hold it, you. don't even know which is the blade,

which is the handle. The tighter you. hold it, the more it hurts. It's happening to people every day. Not a joke. From a single-celled creature. to evolve a life like this. and to give you a brain of this. capacity, of this cerebral capacity, it's taken millions of years of research. and development. You can dismiss this off with one single. word, evolution.

Evolution is not just like that. It made things right, wrong, right, wrong, right, wrong and got it this way, isn't it? >> Mhm. >> Trial and error happened. in the evolutionary process. And. after all this work, this much brain. came. And now. >> [laughter]. >> this is the worst enemy you have? See, nobody even you went to battles, nobody stabbed you.

But from inside it stabs you. What is. this? I must tell you this, a tragic story. I saw the stats. where the vets committing suicide is. horrendous. This happened. with a reasonably popular television. anchor in India. in the southern Indian city of. Hyderabad.

She's just around 33, 34 years of age, a. young woman. One day she jumps off the fifth floor. window of her apartment. Kills herself. She leaves a note, "No one is responsible for my death. My brain is my enemy.". I thought. >> [clears throat]. >> this is the greatest gift we have, that. we have intelligence.

Why we are dominating this world is not. because we are the strongest. Actually, if we didn't have this brain, a colony of ants could dominate the. human beings. It's our brain which made us who we are. But now brain is the enemy for most. people. Some unfortunately. they go to this extent that they take. their own life. Others daily poking. themselves and suffering in thousand. different ways. You can call it stress, you can call it anxiety, you can call it.

distress, depression, this, that. You. can give a thousand names. Essentially, your intelligence is turned against you, isn't it? If your intelligence worked for you, would you keep yourself blissful or. miserable? >> Yes. >> Blissful, isn't it? So, essentially, you don't know how to. hold hold the sharp knife. You have been given a sharp knife and.

this sharpened over millions of years to. get this to this place, and now you. don't know how to hold it. Isn't it a. tragedy? It is. So, that's what I am trying to fix all. the time. How to hold your stupid knife. Don't hold it like this. Okay? [laughter]. Don't keep poking yourself for what? You can use these fingers. to do many things, or you can use these. two two fingers to poke your own.

eyeballs. What is the point? So, this is what is happening because. the hand has not been trained. So, let me use this analogy. Knife and. the hand. So, the second part of this first part. of the mind, we call it as buddhi, or. the intellect. Sharper, the better. But by itself, it cannot do anything. A hand should pick it up. Then only it works, the knife.

The hand, we call ahankara. Ahankara literally means. the identity. See, you are identified as an American. man. So, you go and fight for America. You could die. Possible? Fortunately, you're here, but many did. not come back. Because. of your identity, you're willing to. stake your life.

In many ways, life is the most precious. thing. But, our identity becomes larger than. that. That we are identified as American or. Indian or this or that, white, black, yellow, green, whatever we. are. Once we identify ourselves with. something, the intellect works only to protect that. identity. So, if you see a knife which is sharp, the hand that holds this your identity.

So, how you identify yourself is very. important. If your knife is super capable, it's extremely important the hand that. holds it also must be equally steady and. stable, isn't it? For this to happen, we we devise. something in the yogic systems. When we want to start education for a. child, which was usually at the age of. 12, today they're starting at 3 and 1/2,

that's a wrong thing to do. Because. people saw in ancient times, till 12. years of age, the only thing that should. happen is the body and brain should grow. to its full size. Child should eat well, play well, sleep well. That's all. No ABC, no 123, no nonsense, no becoming. a CEO at the age of 9. >> [laughter]. >> You know, today. all this happening. Because we are in a hurry to live. So, till 12 years of age, no teaching,

child should simply. grow physically, mentally, with brain. and body should grow. So, when we initiate a child into. education, because education is not seen. as accumulation of knowledge, education. is seen as empowerment. Now, uh you're trained as a soldier, there's a certain empowerment. You could do certain things that I. cannot do. So, how you use this empowerment is.

extremely important. Otherwise, you could be a very dangerous. man. Either for others or for yourself. So many people who get this empowerment. in so many different ways use it in. terrible ways in in the world. People do it all the time. The same goes for education. Education is an empowerment. So, if you have to empower a human. being, what should we do? First thing we. did was we created a mantra.

It's called Aham Brahmasmi. What this means is a child of 12. identifies that my identity is cosmic. I belong to the family, but my identity. is not of the family. I belong to this. community, but my identity is not of. community. I belong to this nation, but. my identity is not of nationality. I. belong to this species, but my identity. is not to the species. My identity is.

cosmic, all-inclusive. Because now I'm being empowered. If I am empowered like this, uh my identity should be as large as. possible. Because. see, we think there are good people and. bad people and this and that. No. There's only limited identity and a. larger identity. >> I literally just had this conversation. with my wife last night. >> She had with you or you had with her?

>> [laughter]. >> Once your identity is limited, then. see, what you call as crime is just. that. Right now, I think I should be well. I. don't care what happens to you. Because. my identity with this. this is a crime, isn't it? So, now I think no, no, Shawn is my. friend. We two are one. All the other. guys are different.

We can do whatever we want with them. >> [clears throat]. >> So, this will happen with family, with. community, with society, with. nationality, with race, religion. We are. doing this in a thousand ways. So, we. always did this before education starts. First thing is my identity is cosmic. That is all life is included in this. >> So, you're saying you don't identify. with any particular group or people. You. You're Your identity is cosmic. >> Myself? >> Yes. >> Definitely not. That's why I'm called a.

yogi. The word yoga means that. >> Mhm. >> Yoga means union. Union between what and what? Who created the separation? You think the planet can exist without. the sun? >> No. >> Or you think the sun can exist without. the universe? >> It cannot. >> Universe can exist without the galaxy? Who is separating this? We in our small heads, isn't it? So, when you realize experientially that.

actually there is no separation, then we say you're in yoga. So, anyway, let's finish this. There is a buddhi or the intellect, which is a sharp knife. And there's a hand that holds it. Now, this whole hand is identity. This training is completely missing in. the world, across the world. Everybody. identifying with a football team and. fighting with other guys, identifying. with a community and fighting with other. community, nation and other nation.

Endlessly we are going on. Because See, look at this. What is it. that is causing maximum damage on the. planet? Educated people or uneducated. people? >> Educated people. >> See? The empowerment has turned against us, isn't it? Such a tremendous empowerment of. education, understanding of science, technology, this is what has turned. against us because the hand that holds. is not well trained.

So, first part is buddhi, second is. ahankara, this is the identity, the. third is called manas, this is a silo of. memory. We identify eight types of memory. There's evolutionary memory. There's elemental memory, there's. elemental memory, there's evolutionary. memory, genetic memory, and. conscious and unconscious levels of. memory, articulate and inarticulate.

levels of memory, and the surface memory. that you have on a daily basis. You. remember what you ate for breakfast. You. remember the conversation that you had. with your spouse. This is surface level of memory. So, eight types of memory. All of them. are playing with you right now. Do you remember. how your 10 generations ago, how your. great great great great grandfather was? >> No. >> No, but his nose is sitting on your. face.

Isn't it? >> His nose is sitting on my face. >> Yeah. You resemble him in some way, isn't it. so? A million years ago, how your. forefathers were. Even your skin, epithelial. [clears throat] cells remember the tone. of the skin even today, isn't it? So, I'm saying memory, this is a body of. memory. Enormous memory. Today you are looking in a certain way, you sit in a certain way because your. genetics does those things. Beyond that,

you have this form because this is an. evolutionary memory. Suddenly you can't. look like a tiger or a lion. You can. only look like this because there's. evolutionary memory which decides this. is a human being. So, eight forms of memory which are. ruling you every moment of your life. So, between the intellect. and the silo of memory, there is this. hand which is the identity. If this identity creates the context for.

your life. Identity is not action. Identity gives. you the context. If you don't set the right context, everything that you do can be wrong. Everything that you do can be against. somebody or yourself. Against another. life or this own life this life. All the time. This is what is happening to human. beings right now. Because there is such a complex web of. memory within us which is what makes us.

sophisticated life, which is what makes. us. a kind of a rich life. But, if you do not know how to handle. the context of that, then everything. seems to be a problem. Everything people remember their. suffering, isn't it? See, what are people suffering? They. think why this whole. being in the moment has come is because. people are suffering their memory and. their imagination both. What happened yesterday, they already.

suffer. >> Well, they're also suffering from their. desires. >> I'll come to that. >> Okay. >> See, what happened 10 years ago, they. can suffer today. Isn't it? >> Say that again. >> What happened 10 years ago, you can sit. here and suffer, isn't it? >> Yeah. >> So, are you suffering life or you. suffering memory? >> Both. >> No, no, no. See, what happened 10 years ago, is it. alive right now? >> No. >> No. So, are you suffering life or are. you suffering your memories?

>> Memory. >> You're suffering your memory. What may. happen day after tomorrow, you already. suffer. Are you suffering life or are. you suffering imagination? >> Imagination. >> So, most of the time human beings are. suffering their memory and imagination. So, somebody. turns out a philosophy, be in the. moment. You can't be anywhere else. You can only. be in the moment. There is no other way. to be. Essentially, they are saying don't think. about yesterday and tomorrow.

Then you'll be a dodo life. Not a worthwhile life in any way. So, let's go to that later. Right now, there is an intellect, there is an. identity which holds it. Depending on. what this identity is, accordingly this. intellect will function. If I hold my identity as. by my nation or by my race or religion. or family or whatever, or my individuality, that's how my intellect will function.

Now, this is being fueled by by memory. If you cut the memory off, your. intellect is useless. It's like if your. computer has no memory card in it, it's a blank screen. Your intellect is just like that. If you. remove the memory, it may be sharp, but it can't do nothing. because there's no memory. It won't know. where to act. So, these three instruments are. functioning. and we have not handled We are only.

handling one aspect, loading it up with. more and more memory. Fortunately, AI is coming. It will. handle our memory load. >> [laughter]. >> We don't have to walk around like stupid. data centers. Data centers are being. built. >> [laughter]. >> But right now, what you call as. education is build some silly data. center in your head. Don't take me wrong. With all due. respect to all those professions, I'm. saying this. See, if you read three books,

you can become a school teacher. If you read 10 books, you can become a. professor. If you read just one book, you can claim. you're a agent of God. I read nothing. People accuse me that I'm a mystic. >> [laughter]. >> Strange world. We need to change this. >> [laughter]. >> Very important. Because base memory-based world we have.

created. So, this is what AI is going to disturb. Our memory will look puny and. insignificant and useless compared to. what the machine can do. And it's. fantastic. Anyway, we were talking about consciousness. There's a fourth dimension of. intelligence. Which is in yoga we refer to this as. chitta. Chitta means there is an intelligence. within you, which is life's fundamental. intelligence,

which is unsullied by memory. There's no. memory in it. It's pure intelligence. This is the source of creation. It's. everywhere. It's not just in me or you. You and me have captured a little bit, but it's everywhere in the existence, in. the creation. So, this intelligence we call as chitta. in the yogic culture. They like to be mischievous about this. They say, "If you touch chitta, if you.

touch this intelligence, which is the. source of creation, they say God will. become your slave.". Cuz he will do what you want even before. you think about it. Even before you ask for it. Even before. you think about it. He will do that for you. What more do you want? You don't even. have to desire. Because you have touched that. intelligence which has no memory in it, but pure intelligence which is the very.

basis of life and creation. Once you touch that intelligence, this. in English loosely we are using the word. consciousness. But the word consciousness, medical. people are using consciousness in one. way, environmental people are using. consciousness in another way. I'm not. talking in that context. I'm talking. about. You know that you are here only because. you're conscious. Isn't it? If you become unconscious, you won't.

know that. If you sleep, you won't know that. But if you sleep, does it mean you're. not at all conscious? You are conscious, but the surface has slept. But if I poke you, you'll wake up. Isn't it? True. But if you're dead, if I poke you, you don't wake up. So, consciousness is that which is the. very fundamental of life. That intelligence which makes everything. happen here.

If you are religious kind, you can call. it God. It's just that I'm not using that word. because immediately people say, "Okay, which God? Which religion? This, that.". That's not it. Whatever human beings think, fundamentally, we didn't create the. universe. Hello? I didn't. You did? No. No. Okay, don't blame me. I didn't. [laughter]. So, we didn't create the universe. Before we opened our eyes, it was all.

here. Many things we created. Some of them good things, some of them. maybe some are not so good things. But. before we came here, the universe was. here. So, naturally a question arises in our. mind, "Who created this?". Being human beings, we think it must be. a big human being somewhere. If we were buffaloes, I'm particularly. using the buffalo because. it seems uh. at that time, 300 years ago or so,

when the first people from Europe came. here, there were over 60 million. buffaloes on this land, North America. 60 million. Much more than the human population. So, by if they had vote and if there was. a democracy, naturally, the president would be a. buffalo and the god would be a buffalo. Isn't it for them? Yes or no? >> Yes. >> Because we are human, we think. everything in human forms.

But if we were in some other form, we. would be thinking in those forms. So, the question is not about what you. believe and disbelieve is another. matter. That's a question of faith. I won't. touch that. That's individual faith. They can believe whatever. But essentially, we all know, whatever nonsense we. believe or don't believe, we did not. create the universe. Obviously, it. happened.

And the magnificent nature of it. just reeks of brilliance everywhere. You look at a leaf. If you look at a leaf for your entire. life, you can't figure it. With all this science and scientific. exploration, we still do not do not know. one atom in its entirety. We know how to use it, fuse it, break. it, make a bomb out of it, but we do not. know what a single atom is. That's how. complex and sophisticated creation is.

Obviously, it's the most brilliant job. ever done. Isn't it? >> Yes. >> So, you want to ascribe it to god or to. another intelligence, do whatever. But. the important thing is, we didn't make it. Because we don't make it. as far as possible we shouldn't break. it. It's a simple sense. It's not an ultimate knowledge, simple. sense. Because something that we cannot.

create we shouldn't break, isn't it? >> Yes. >> That much sense we have? >> Makes sense. >> Something that we cannot create we. should not break. >> Very good idea. >> [laughter]. >> So, this dimension of intelligence if we. touch that. life evolves in ways that you cannot. believe. In my own experience of life.

I did not look for any of these things. Ever. I. >> [laughter]. >> I was the most. If at that time if anybody had told me. you will turn spiritual I would have. just laughed them out. Because I was the last person in the. queue. If I would never stand in the line first. of all. for that. I grew up. very agnostic to start with. Then slowly.

as uh you know. as you move towards your teenage you. become arrogant enough to become. atheistic. And. I must tell you this in a better format. You okay with the story? I must have been just over four four and. a half years of age. Suddenly one day I realized I don't know. anything. Don't know anything at all.

To point where if somebody gives me a. glass of water I'm just staring at this. water for two three hours. I know I can drink this water. I know. how to use the water, but I don't know. what it is. Even today you don't know what it is. If you want to look for life somewhere. in some other planet, we're looking for. a drop of water. That much we know. The usefulness of water we know, but we don't know what it is.

Actually, we don't know anything about. anything. We know only how to use them. We do not know what it is. If I find a leaf, I'm just staring at it. for 5 6 hours. I sit up in my bed. and I'm staring at the darkness for the. whole night. My dear father, being a physician, he thinks I need psychiatric evaluation.

This boy is all the time staring at. something. It looks like he's lost it. My problem is I'm looking at this. I still don't know what it is. I'm not. able to shift my attention to this. When I look at something, it just. absorbs me. I'm not able to look at another thing. In this condition, they sent me to. school. >> [laughter]. >> I never realized why I'm going to.

school. Anyway, they sent me to school. My mother said, "Don't look stare here. and there. Pay attention to the teacher.". I went and paid attention to the. teacher, the kind of attention that they. would have never received in their life. Absolute attention. That I'm seeing them through and. through. Initially, I sort of understood what. they were trying to say. After some time, I realized.

they're just making sounds. I'm making up the meanings in my head. Even now it is so. I'm just making sounds. You're making up. the meanings in your mind, isn't it? Yes. Suppose any of the South Indian. languages, you know, we have 1,900. languages in India. >> 1,900? That's a lot of languages. >> If I speak any one of those languages, you think I'm just making sounds, isn't. it?

Language is a conspiracy between two. people. Suppose we know English and there's a. bunch of people who don't know English. here. If we don't want them to know what. we're talking, we'll talk in English. Otherwise, we'll talk to them in their. language. So, language is I make one sound, you. make up the meaning. I make another. sound, you make another meaning. Yes? >> Mhm. >> Even if I mispronounce an English word, you won't know what to make out of it,

isn't it? Because it's just a sound. >> This is true. >> So, when I realized they're just making. sounds, why am I making up meanings in. my head? So, I sat there with full attention, not. ignoring them. With full attention, listening to them without making any. meanings. Hour after hour, different teachers come. and make different kinds of noises. It. became very amusing for me. A big smile. spread on my face.

>> [laughter]. >> They were not amused. at all. So, my schooling went like this. I went. there only when it was absolutely. necessary or when they caught me and. took me back. Otherwise, I got lost somewhere. I. climbed up a tree and one day went away. Another day I got into somewhere else. and another day went away. Because I. I was just. I didn't know anything. Anything means.

anything at all. So, I'm trying to pay attention to the. world. I'm trying to. figure out at least one or two things. Any school you go, they're talking. something. that doesn't mean anything to them. I. have first thing within few months I. realized they're just doing this for a. livelihood. They're saying things that doesn't mean. anything to them. Even today this my stance. You speak.

nuclear science, I will not listen to. you. Unless it means something to you. You're talking some nonsense, but it. means a lot to you. I will listen. Because if it doesn't mean something to. you, why the hell should I listen? It means something to you. Maybe it. makes sense, it doesn't make sense. It. means something to you means I will. listen. It doesn't mean anything to you. First of all, you shouldn't be talking. On top of it, I shouldn't be listening.

So, in the school this was my problem. I. couldn't listen to them. The moment I. see they're saying something that. doesn't mean anything to them, I'm not. willing to listen to them. So, if the bird calls, I went out. If a. monkey calls, I went out. If a squirrel. calls, I went out. The mangoes calls, I. I went out. Went on like this. About 17, 18 years. ago, I think. The school where I studied over 50 years. ago,

they came to invite me for their 125th. anniversary. The trustees came. I said, "See, I was not just a not good student. I was. not even a student. I barely came there. somehow. I went through your school. I am not an inspiration for your. children. Please, leave me alone.". They. >> [laughter]. >> They said, "You know, our school has produced.

cricketing stars. You know, cricket is a. big thing in India. And produced union ministers, film stars, but you are the only mystic. You must. come.". >> [laughter]. [clears throat]. >> So, I went. Stood up to speak. in the quadrangle, same oppressive buildings. I just looked around and looking for. something to say about the school. Then I look at this classroom and I.

suddenly remember. I was around 12 years of age. One afternoon, the teacher is trying to. get some response from me for some. question he's asked. By the time I By. that time I've graduated to place, if I. look at you, initially I see you. After that, I see your energies. I know. your past, present, and future, but I won't hear what you're saying. Because what you're saying or what.

anybody's saying didn't mean anything to. me because I have seen them through and. through. What they're talking is not even. something of any relevance to me. So, his question, I see energy forms, but I don't hear his. question. But I'm in full attention. I'm. not ignoring him. 30 35 minutes, he strives hard to get an. answer out of me. But these are times These are year few. years where.

I won't speak a word for sometimes a. week, 10 days, like this. Because when you don't know nothing, what are you What is there to say? I'm. still trying to grasp life, paying. attention to the smallest things around. me. And when he doesn't get any response, the man goes wild. Comes and holds me by the shoulder, shakes me like this violently. And says, "You must either be. the divine or the devil. I think you're.

the latter.". Wow. >> [laughter]. >> Till then, my problem was what is that? What is that? What is that? What is. that? What is that? What is this? I have. a billion questions. But one thing was clear, this is me. Suddenly, this man confused me about. this, also. I look like this. Is this divine? Is. this devil? What the hell is this? I couldn't stare at myself, so I started.

closing my eyes. My journey began. Initially, minutes, hours, days, I closed my eyes. That's how my journey began. >> [laughter]. >> This man confused me about who I am. >> Why did you close your eyes? >> Trying to stare at myself. I was staring. at everything, trying to figure it out. But one thing was clear, this is me. There was no question about this. I had.

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After your purchase, they'll ask how you. found them. Please show your support. and let them know we sent you. >> What did you see when you closed your. eyes? >> See, the eyelids are like the cameras are. there. There is a lens cap. You put a lens cap and ask the camera, "What are you seeing?" What is that? You. say, "Nothing.". >> [laughter].

>> Isn't it the reason you got eyelids? But. people close their eyelids and replay. their old videos. I don't. When I close my eyes, world is. over for me. >> Interesting. >> Isn't that the way it should be? >> It's black. It's just blackness. >> No. If you shut your mouth, you should stop. speaking, isn't it? >> Yes. >> Inside I'm speaking, that means I'm. crazy. Yes or no?

>> No. >> [laughter]. >> You don't admit. >> [laughter]. >> I believe everybody has an internal. voice. >> See. One of the fundamentals. with which. the medical professionals decide whether. you are sane or insane is. voices start speaking inside of you.

You start hearing voices. Either you can say. you're ill or you can say you're. possessed. But something is going wrong, isn't it? Because. if my hand is like this, if I want I. keep it here, if I want I can do this, if I want I do this, this. is a good hand. But without my permission if it starts. jumping. you think Mr. Parkinson is visiting or. something, right?

>> You would think that. >> So similarly, if your mind starts. hopping around with your without your. permission, your speech starts going on. without your permission. And your video start running without. your permission, it means something is. wrong. Because a lot of people are in. that condition, we are trying to make it. more normal. When I first came to United States. in the year '96 or '97.

wherever I go, people are talking about. uh. about stress management. I couldn't understand this. I said, "Why. they want to Why American people want to. manage stress? Because in my understanding. we manage things which are precious to. us. We manage our family, our wealth, our business, our money. Why would you want to manage stress? Took me some time to realize everybody. has concluded that stress is a part of.

their life. Stress is not a part of your life, nor. is it the nature of the work that you. do. It's just that you are an. inefficient machine, so there's friction. within you, isn't it? Okay. There's friction. >> A lot of friction. >> A lot of friction means either it's not. well engineered. or not well aligned or. not enough lubrication.

Yes? >> I would agree with that. >> You should, cuz you would handle. weapons. >> [laughter]. >> Then it gets stuck, you know what it. means. So, if you. close your eyes, the eyelids are made in. such a way, if you close it, to cut out the light. To cut out the scenery. No, you close it and play your own. scenery. What is that? >> Taking control? >> Not taking control.

When you're done with this, if you. switch off this light, are you taking in. control of something? It's a simple. nonsense. When the other purpose for the. life here your light is over, you switch. it off, right? >> Yes. >> Similarly, now we want to see our eyes. are open. We don't want to see, we close our eyes. We're making such a big deal about that. Because. it's very highly sophisticated machine.

without user's manual. >> [laughter]. >> That's why it's like this. >> How many people out there do you think. don't have an internal voice? >> See, if you consciously speak within. yourself. to prepare for something else, that's okay. But it's speaking by itself means we're. on the verge of madness, isn't it? We're not already there.

>> Yeah, I mean. I see what you're saying. But I've been stressed under people's. heads, fears under people's head, things. you need to do under your head. Um. being prepared for future events. >> I'm not talking without being empathetic. to all the things people are going. through. I'm trying to address the very. fundamental nature. >> Okay. >> The fundamental nature if any instrument.

is the camera is there, you put the lens. cap. The idea is it doesn't shoot. anymore, right? >> Yes. >> So, you put your your. the eyelids down. That means the idea is. you don't see anything. Now, you ask me you close your eyes and. what do you see? >> You want me to close my eyes? >> No, you said. if you when you close your eyes, what. did you see? I mean, the idea of closing the eyes is. you don't want to see.

If you want to see, you must open your. eyes. If you close your eyes, one thing that you have done is one. major sense organ input you cut it off. Ears don't have flaps like that, but you. can ignore it. Nostrils don't have flaps. like that, you can ignore it. But eyes are nearly 80% of the input. You cut the input so that there is more.

attention for what's happening within. >> But we're talking about. closing your eyes, saying nothing, basically tuning out. Correct? >> Mhm, see, that's what. we are trying to make it a principle. out of a simple act. Right now, you are sitting like this. Does it mean.

you are holding your ability to shoot in. your hands and holding it like this, or. your ability to do so many things. holding it like this and sitting, is it? No, it they're just sitting in your. hands. When you want to use it, you use it, otherwise you keep it here. >> Mhm. >> But if you are. if you're unconscious, this may start. moving and doing its own things without. your permission. When that happens, we say somebody is. unwell, isn't it?

>> Yes, that's what we say. >> So if that happens in your mind, what would show what should we say? You are not very well. Let me put it mildly. >> [laughter]. >> If it goes beyond a certain point, then. you know it's unwell, isn't it? >> Yes. >> So I am saying instead of and addressing. the root of it, we are always trying to. prune it and see how it'll be okay. It'll not be okay. You can be either.

insane totally, or you can be sane in such a way. insanity cannot touch you, or you can be in a socially accepted. level of madness. My. choice for every human being is. they must be above. the possibility of insanity. It's. possible for everybody to be like that. It's just that. there is no structure, there is no. striving in that direction.

Everybody thinks it's normal to be. anxious, it's normal to be stressed, it's normal to be distressed. No, it is not. When you were a child, it was normal to. be joyful, isn't it? >> Yes. >> When did it become normal to be. stressful? >> [laughter]. >> Adult life. >> Huh? >> When you come in When you become an. adult. Maybe it's the answer to that.

>> you were a child, were you eager to. become an adult. quickly? >> Quicker than it was happening, isn't it? >> Yes. >> When you were eight, you want to be 12. When you were 12, you want to be 18. When you were 18, you want to be 30. Yes. or no? >> And then it reverses. >> [laughter]. >> Unfortunately, if you handle it badly. Not for me. I don't want to go back. there. >> [laughter]. >> If you handle it badly, you want to. reverse and go back. into your mother's womb one day.

>> [laughter]. >> No, no. The life doesn't allow you that. Once you're out from womb, tomb is the. only place to go. >> [laughter]. >> In between, will you make it wonderful. or ugly, it's up to you. I'm repeating this. We didn't make the creation. But how this. this one experiences this life, we can. determine that, isn't it? In the yogic terminology, we call this.

karma. Karma means action. >> Karma means action? >> Yes. Are you getting bored with me? Let me. read you one poem. You like substance abuse. Ah, look at you. >> [laughter]. >> The poem is called substance abuse. >> Okay. >> To be sober. is dreary. But inebriation takes you away from all.

that is reality. How to dwell. How to dwell in the empty room of dry, lifeless logic. Logic through the day. and inebriation at the end of the day. Logic through the week and inebriation. for the weekend. Logic at work and inebriation for the. vacation.

Say the compromisers. Come, I have [clears throat] a substance. that leaves you in throes of ecstasy. and peak of alertness at once. No need for secrecy. No one will find us in our within. Let us abuse the substance. without dimension. Let us abuse the. substance without dimension, but within.

>> [clears throat]. >> Let us get super sober and stoned. Because the greatest chemical factory on. the planet is this one, isn't it? The. most sophisticated. If you were a good. CEO of this factory, what chemicals. would you produce? Chemistry of ecstasy and blissfulness or. chemistry of stress and misery? >> I would rather have blissfulness.

>> So, lousy CEO. >> So what? >> Lousy CEO, I'm saying. If you give a an industry to a lousy. CEO, the product that needs to come out that. won't come out. Something else will come. out. The square one of your life, if you see, when you're 5-6 years of age, for no reason you're just bubbling and. bouncing with joy. Somebody has to work hard to make you. miserable at that time.

Now everybody has to work so hard to. make you happy. >> [laughter]. >> Even peaceful has become a challenge. I must tell you this. I was to speak in Tel Aviv. I'm flying out of Atlanta. And uh. I was to arrive there around 11:00 in. the morning and speak at 6:30 in the. evening. But due to some flight delays, I got delayed.

And I landed at 6:00 in the evening. I have a reputation. that I never go late for any event. In this over 43 years, I have not been. late to a single event. >> Wow. >> It takes a certain commitment to do. that, no matter what. No matter how I am, what's happening, I. will be there. This has been my reputation. So, I quickly change. in the airport to rush to the venue.

And I'm flying on American Airline. There's nothing edible on the plane, you. know. >> [clears throat]. [laughter]. >> They're throwing some throwing some dog. parts to me which I don't eat. You know what I'm talking about. >> I know what you're talking about. >> [laughter]. >> So, I end up there famished, super hungry, but no time for anything, so I rush to. the venue. And this never happens to me. On that.

day, I'm speaking in a fine restaurant. >> [laughter]. >> So hungry and I go into the restaurant. And already guests have arrived and. they're going about, you know, they have. their initial whatever. So, uh people come up to me and greeting. me and stuff. One man comes up to me and. says, "Shalom.". I said, "What does it mean?". He says, "This is the highest way of. greeting.".

I say, "See, that's your opinion. But. what does it actually mean?". He said, "No, no, this is the highest. way of greeting.". I said, "All right, what does the word. mean?". He said, "It means peace.". I said, "See, unless you're born in Middle East, why would peace be the highest way of. greeting?". In southern India, if somebody comes up.

to me and in the morning they say peace, I'll say, "What's wrong with you?". >> [laughter]. >> I'm saying anything that you deprive. yourself of, slowly over a period of time it grows to. divine quality. Today you ask people in that part of the. world, they say God is peace. Ask in America, they say God is love. Somewhere else you ask something,

they'll say something else. Whatever is. missing in their lives slowly rises into. heaven. Peace, love, joy, blissfulness, everything are human emotions which. makes a human being. nice and pleasant. We don't know whether God needs it or. not. Hello? Yeah. We don't know whether needs it or not. Today in California people are saying. the core of the universe is love. I.

said, "Did you go there? Did you go there and see?" No. And why the core of the universe needs. love? You need love to make you yourself. into sensible human being. If you have love in your heart, you. behave sensibly. If you have no love in your heart, you. behave abrasively, isn't it? >> This is true. >> That's all there is. It's a human. emotion. Instead of having it here, you export it. to heaven, what do I do? Here it is needed.

Your joy, your peace, your love, your. blissfulness is good here. If both of us are blissful, we can. banter. If one of us is feeling. resentful, we'll do something nasty to. each other, inevitably. Yes or no? Yes. So, all the substances here, this is the. greatest chemical factory. This I realized. when I was 25 years of age.

Going back to the story. So, after 12, when this confusion. happened in the school, which is me, which is not me. Then I went through so many things. I. don't want to go into all that, many, many things. More experiences than most. people will go through at that stage in. life. And then. I cycled across South India. Then I got onto a motorcycle and. criss-crossed India.

Then when I hit the borders, I realized. I can't go beyond this unless I have a. passport. I was nearly 20 and I didn't know there. is something called a passport. Those days, we are like that. Just wild, nonsense. So, I came back, got myself a passport. Then I realized I need money. Then I started some business. It became. successful. I started one more and one. more. Everything became successful.

So, you're young. Things that you're doing, everything is. working. Then everything starts working, people. start clapping their hands. Slowly you. I'm not arrogant, but a bit cocky. Slowly you start thinking the planets. are going around you, you, not around. the sun. Because everybody else makes you feel. that way. So, I'm in business, busy busy busy.

I'm thinking today, tomorrow, next month. I'm going to stop everything and ride. away. I have enough money to go away. somewhere. Nowhere, rather. Simply ride across the. world. Which I never did. Because success is a trap, you know. I'm figuring that out. >> [laughter]. >> If you fail, you can drop the damn thing. and go. But, when you're successful, you put one finger, one more, one more, one more, the whole hand is caught.

there. You can't leave your hand and go. So, I'm in a successful trap. Not able to go anywhere. >> [laughter]. >> Totally in the office, on the field, working construction, this that, endless. work. So, one afternoon, between two business. meetings when there was a break, I went up a small hill. This is uh. in the heart of the city, Mysore city, where I lived.

Success in those days, for that small town, not like today. People are talking about. trillion dollars, not that kind of. success. But, for that small town, successful for. a 25-year-old, very successful. So, I went and just sat in one place. There was a small hill, and uh this is. the hill I know very well. As a child, I got lost in the forest in.

these hills. And spent a lot of time there. I trekked. there. I camped there. When we grew up, we partied there. Meetings, if you fell in love, you went. to Chamundi Hill. If you fell out, you. go to Chamundi Hill. If you have nothing. to do, you go to Chamundi Hill. You have. something to do, you go to Chamundi. Hill. You If you want to test your motorcycle, you go up Chamundi Hill. Do whatever you want to do. Chamundi. Hill is there for the youth of the town. Because it's a little exciting road up.

So, I went halfway up Chamundi Hill. because I'm very familiar. There's a. particular huge rock. I don't know. We can send you a picture. of that rock. Nothing special about the. rock, but it became the most eventful. place in my life. So, I went and sat there. Suddenly, for the first time, I did not. know which is me, which is not me. This is me, that's you. I got no problem.

with you. But this is me, that's you. Suddenly, I did not know which is me, not which is not me. The trees around. me, the rocks around me, the mountain. everything around me had kind of become. me. See, what is in this body. right now? This was somewhere else. Yesterday, it. was on your plate. You ate it, and now somewhere it's. become a part of you, isn't it? Yes.

What was me was all over the place. Like a oneness. I don't want to put a word to it because. all these words have been misused. Okay. I'm saying what was me was just spilled. over. What was me was contained here. till that moment. But suddenly, it had spilled over. everywhere, all over the place. I thought this lasted. for about maybe 15, 20 minutes or so. But when I just shook my head and.

felt kind of what I thought was normal. till then, 4 and 1/2 hours had passed. Tears. Me and tears were impossible. I lived. like this. Tears to a point my shirt is all wet. And I shake my head and ask, by then I. am a super skeptic. I'm skeptical about everything. About religions, about politics, about.

the financial arrangement in the world, about family, about social structures. I. am a super skeptic about everything and. I don't believe anything other than what. I see. I'm in that condition. I did not grow up in spiritual. literature or teachings or anything. I. grew up on Dostoevsky, Camus, Kafka, you. know, all those European guys. >> [laughter]. >> Oh, who kind of raised their confusion to a.

grand height. >> [laughter]. >> So, I am in that state. When I shake my head and ask my own. mind, what's happening to me? Because I'm. dripping ecstasy. Every cell in the body. is feeling like totally blissed out. What is happening to me when I ask? My mind says, maybe you're going off. your rocker. Then I ask my closest friends, hey,

something is happening to me. I come on, what did you drink? You popped something, you got some acid? Did you find some mushrooms in the hill? Then I knew I have hit something for. which there is no context around me. Neither my own mind nor anybody around. me is able to tell me what it is. But I. know I've hit a gold mine. I don't want. to miss it. So, I started experimenting with it. What is it? If I close my eyes and sit like this,

I think it's 2 minutes. So, if I open my. eyes, 7-8 hours are gone. Wow, time like. like that. So, things started happening to me like. which I would never believe if anybody. tells me these things. because. I am not that kind of person who takes. anything that's not logically correct. But absolutely insane things which I. always hated started happening to me.

>> [laughter]. >> What kind of things? >> Memories. which had no connect with my life. Then. I go there and check it. And the damn. thing that I've seen is right there. What I see in my mind is actually there. So like it's clearer than daylight, but. my mind will not accept. It struggles. and it says no because it doesn't fit. into my box of logic. By then I started thinking I'm smart.

That's the biggest problem. Cuz you're successful, everybody's. clapping their hands, and you started. thinking you're smart. From the age of. four you knew you know nothing. But slowly I started thinking I'm. becoming smart because everybody's. clapping their hands. So suddenly destroyed everything. The man that was there, the young man. was cocky, confident, doing the right. thing, successful.

That guy just melted away like that in. few few days completely. Gone. Just gone. That man just went away. To a. point where my body changed. My gait. changed. I I didn't try to change my. style of walking. My gait changed. My. voice changed. My voice had broken when. I was just 13. But my voice changed. The shape of my. eyes changed. And people started saying, "What's.

happening to you?". >> [laughter]. >> I'm just. I'm just blissed out for no reason. What. can I do? Then I started experimenting. What is. it? Then I realized. all that I have to do is if I can sit. here and keep a little distance. between my psychological activity. and me. My physiological activity and me. See,

right now you're sitting here. Can you. see me? >> Yes, I can see you. >> If you close your eyes, can you see me? >> No. >> But are you there? >> I'm here. >> If you close your eyes, are you still. there? >> Yes. >> So right now, are you looking at me or. is your eyes looking at me? >> Yes. >> Which one? >> I'm looking at you. >> You are looking at me through the window. of your eyes, isn't it? You close the. window, you don't see me. If you open.

the window, you see me. But you are. there beyond this body, isn't it? For the first time I realized. I just I'm there. I'm there inside and outside, just like. this. What I call as my physical self, I. thought you know, by then. my weight has remained the same since I. was 19 years of age to today. I have the. same weight. It's just as those days,

uh most of my weight was here. because due to continuous pressure of. gravity, slowly it's moved a little. down. >> [laughter]. >> Too much gravity, you know? >> Yeah, I have the same problem. >> [laughter]. >> I figured out if I keep a little. distance from my psychological process. and my physiological process within. moments, I experience a wave of bliss.

I repeatedly experimented in so many. ways and I knew this is all it is. If a little space arises between your. psychological process and your. physiological process and yourself, little space, then it's just blissed out. Now that was my experience. Today in the major laboratories in in.

some of the top universities in the. country and in the world, now they have. studied this and now they are saying. people who do the simple practice that I. teach them, very simple 21-minute. process, with that they are saying the. bliss factor is up by 70%. Wow. BDNF, the brain-derived neurotrophic factors, are up three times, 270% up. And they are saying the bliss factor is. such that it's 23% higher than what.

normally happens in a sexual orgasm, simply sitting here. So when I realized this, all these. studies and these numbers are by. studying people who have done the. practice for 6 weeks, 8 weeks, like. this. They didn't study me. So when I saw that you can be completely. blissed out without any reason, my first. thought was who wouldn't want it? I couldn't think of one guy who will not.

want it. Who wouldn't want it? Simply. sitting here, you can be blissed out. absolutely because bliss is not a goal. by itself. Only if your body and mind are in utter. sense of pleasantness, your genius unfolds. Your physical body and mind works at its. best only when they're in a pleasant. state of experience. There is. substantial scientific and medical. evidence for this.

At that time when I realized this, I. thought this is very simple. Why won't everybody in the world want to. be blissful? Then I sat down. I was 25. >> [laughter]. >> I sat down with the world map and made a. plan. In 2 and 1/2 years time, on that day the. world's population was some 4.82 or. something like that. In 2 and 1/2 years time, I will make the. entire world blissful.

44 years. 7 days of the week, 365 days I'm on on. on 16 to 18 hours a day. Today people say we've touched over 2. billion people. That's not my idea of. the world because that bloody population. is multiplying. >> [laughter]. >> See, 8.4 billion people. So, I will die. a failure. This is for certain. But I am a blissful failure. This is my blessing for everybody. You.

must die a blissful failure. You set up small goals like this, like. childish goals, and say, "I did it. I. did it." This is stupid. For human. intelligence, you can think of something. that will take 10 lifetimes to do. If. you take two steps today, maybe the next. generation will take another two steps. >> It's a great point. >> So, this is very simple. See, this is what I. call miracle of mind.

Mind is the greatest miracle we have, but most people have turned it into a. misery manufacturing machine. They give. it so many reasons. Don't find excuses. If you are willing, you can turn this into a miracle. Every human being, without exception. Some might have come. with more conducive atmospheres. Some. might have come with a little more. difficult atmospheres. So, some may need little work, some may.

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>> They do it, right? What does he do in the movies? Tell me if I'm doing [music] this wrong, cuz I don't watch any of this. Little flick like that, right? Seems. pretty cool. It is pretty. Got to silence it. In another lifetime, I did gun reviews. for a living. Proprietary magazines. Supposedly the best engineering in the.

world. When that breaks, you're. And now we're bringing them back. It does look pretty cool. I got. to I got to admit that. I mean. Okay, if we're back from the break and. we we were talking about. blissfulness of the mind. Correct? And.

>> About the blissful failure. >> that I am. The blissful. >> [laughter]. >> The blissful failure that you are. >> Then let me read you one poem just to. break the monotony of the talk. This was written. for [clears throat] the trees in. Tennessee. You know, we we have a. property which is wild and beautiful. >> In McMinnville? >> You're close to McMinnville. >> I almost moved there. >> It's. Really? >> I did. >> [laughter]. >> It's over 20,000 acres and we're trying.

to build a. build a place where people can come and. make use of it beyond religion, beyond. belief systems, beyond political party. nonsense. Just as human beings, they can come, learn something, and go which is good. for their well-being. Not against. anybody in the universe, just for their. well-being. My well-being should not be. against your well-being, isn't it? That's the most fundamental thing. >> Mhm. >> This is how nature is made. This is how.

creation is made. Trees breathe. We breathe what they don't want. They. breathe in what we don't want. We throw out carbon dioxide, they want. it. They throw out oxygen, we want it. Isn't. this a fantastic arrangement? Everything. in creation is like this. But we human beings think that. my well-being means you must suffer. somehow. Not necessary. There is a way to live.

So fundamentally, it's part of the. conscious planet movement that people. live more consciously understand life as. ease, not the way we make it up in our. head. So this is dedicated to the. trees to the trees in Tennessee. Oh blessed beings, your green raiment, source of our breath. and being, your stoic stance mistaken for lifeless. existence. Your immense presence could escape human.

sense. This lack of cognizance could mean a. disastrous consequence. But for now, you and me in this intimate embrace, the. joy of sharing each other's breath is. beyond the joy of having a breathless. wench. I can only nourish you with tears of. gratitude. When I come back in winter, you will stand naked and gray giving a.

taste of what the world would be. without you being gay. You a permanent resident, me a wandering. vagabond. But can I ever break my breath. bond? Wait till I am done with my deeds. I. will lie at your roots to nourish you. with my body's juice. to become the sap of your sap to put. back all that is hers into her lap.

Till then, you. and me in this romantic romp, lest. someone should notice. Let us carry it. on without any pomp. The I must tell you this. I uh. after I finished my business stuff and. education was over and business stuff. and then I started teaching.

for almost 12 15 years, I avoided. teaching in my native town because I. thought I should keep it as it is, friends, family. stuff. Don't become a teacher in your town. But, you know, the word spread and. people came to know and they said you. have to do something here. So, I had to announce a two-day program. It was at the foothills of that hill. that I was talking about.

I announced this program, a few thousand. people turned up. And I look around. right from my kindergarten school. friends. teachers from my school, from my. college, all sorts of people, friends. and enemies and everybody turned up. So, then I did the program. At the end. of the program, my English teacher she. came and hugged me and she said. [clears throat]. "Now I understand why you did not let me.

teach Robert Frost.". I said, "Ma'am, why would I not let you. teach Robert Frost? I like Frost. I went. to his place in California and I even. have a voice recording of his. Why would I not let you teach Robert. Frost? Why are you saying this?". She said, "Do you remember?" And she. went back. What happened was till then. we were learning only English poets. American poetry she introduced. And she said Robert Frost glowing terms.

this and that. And then she started reading the poem. And then she said, "Wood so lovely, dark. and deep.". I said, "Stop.". A man who calls a living tree a wood, I. will not listen to that guy. She said, "No, no, no. Robert Frost, he's a great poet." I said, "I don't. care how great he is. A man who calls a. living tree a wood, I will not listen to that guy." Then she. changed and we she thought it was Edgar. Allan Poe and Longfellow.

>> [laughter]. >> So, trees have been. such a thing for me. that when I was going to school, I had my bicycle. I had my lunch box. I went up a tree. I just sat there all. day. The tree swaying like this, swaying like. that, swaying like that. Just this thing just made me so crazy,

happy, and nice. I never came down. I. ate my lunch there, stayed there. When. it's time to go back home, I went back. home. Today, we planted over 138 million. living trees. as a part of a project. >> Wow. >> Uh I'm saying living trees because. See, nobody plants a tree. We plant a. small twig. It takes minimum 6 to 8 years before you. call it a tree.

So, our trees are all geo-coded. The Indian Space Research Organization. provides the service free for us. It. geo-codes every tree. If any tree goes. away, it tells us. The growth of the. trees measured. Because there is subsidy for the farmer. for the growth of the tree. So, 138 million trees today are. standing. Because my association with the trees. has always been so strong. Because we breathe. And I started a whole movement based on.

this. I. You know, the place where we are today. in India, our center, there it's about 850 about 850 acres or. something like that. Here it's over 20,000 acres. So, when we came there at the foothills. of the mountain, I have a weakness for. the mountains, that's another big story. Without mountains, I can't live. So, uh at the very foothills of the. mountain, our backyard is 10,000 square.

miles of rainforest. Wow. If you walk a mile in many parts, you can't see the sky. There's You can't see the sky even if. you walk a mile because the canopy is. like this. Full of wild animals and everything. When we came, this particular hill, which is close to us, was completely. sheared off trees because there was an. illegal furniture industry close by. We. bought it out and closed it. We had to.

pay three times the price and buy it out. and close down that furniture industry. because these guys, slowly over a period. of time, have completely sheared the. mountain. Our temperatures were at least 3 to 4°. higher than the city temperatures close. by. So, I just came up with a simple idea. how we can replace because the land is. still rich with lot of undergrowth. So, I took about 4,500 volunteers up for.

about 3 and 1/2 days. I gave them two meals a day and one song. to sing. And how a unique way of planting seeds. so that they'll all come up. Over 90%. plus sprouted. Today, if you go there, you will see all. the trees are about 27, 28 years of age. Wow. And we planted over 6. whatever number. of million trees in a matter of. 3 and 1/2 days.

That's why I'm saying you don't have to. give up your life if you have the. necessary commitment. Everybody can do compensatory work in a. very easy manner. And today our temperatures are minimum. 4° less than the city. You can feel it. At that time the. mountain was radiating heat in summers. Today it's just cooled the whole place. Wow. So, when I was in Tennessee the. Tennessee trees.

fell in love with them. What to do? >> [laughter]. >> I love that. I love that. Could we talk about karma? >> Karma? >> What is it? >> See, the word karma literally means. action. In the simplest. uh connotation of the word, it means. action. What does it mean by action? See, life is action.

Whether you sit and laze around or you. are in full of action, still there is. action going on. As you sit here, this. physical action going on, isn't it? In. this body. Mental action is going on. Emotional activity is going on. Energetic activity is going on. So, four. levels of karma everybody is doing in. wakefulness and sleep. Four levels of karma are always. happening. As an example.

since the time you woke up today morning. till this moment. how much of these four karmas have you. performed consciously? >> I don't know. >> You don't know, it's fine. But, it's. minuscule. Most of it is happening by itself. I would say for most human beings, it's. less than 1%. Way below 1%.

Because. everything that is happening. is not in consciousness. It's just. happening. Your breath is happening. How many. moments since morning have you been. conscious? If it stops, you'll be. conscious. If it's becomes difficult, you'll be conscious. But, if it's working, you're not. conscious, isn't it? >> This is true. >> So, when 99% of what you're doing is. being done unconsciously, life will seem accidental.

Suppose you drive. from here to somewhere in Nashville, not far away. Just say 20 miles you drive. 99% of the time in this, you slept. You know. where we should pick you up? Okay. So, this is all that's happening. Karmic. tragedy is happening because all the. karma is happening unconsciously.

If you bring. 2 to 5% into your consciousness, people. will think you're a superman. Because suddenly, you look like that. So, karma means action. Whose action? My. action. So, right now, the way I'm running my. thought, the way I'm running my emotion, my energy, and my body determines the. quality of my experience and life, isn't.

it? >> Yes. >> It may not determine the nature of the. world. To some extent, it does, but not 100%. Nobody can determine the situation 100%. Only to some extent we affect it. But what is happening within in the. experience of this person or this human. being is entirely caused by me. But if 99% is happening unconsciously, it looks like somebody is doing it to. me.

If you were driving and you slept, it looks like suddenly things happened. Nothing happened, you slept. >> Because it's happening unconsciously. >> Unconscious for a moment and things. happened, isn't it? >> Mhm. >> So most of the time we are unconscious, so things are happening in ways that we. can't figure. So karma means action. Action should be conscious, but most of. it is unconscious. So everything that we. can bring into consciousness, if you.

bring, suddenly you will determine the. nature of your experience. So if you can think of what you want. right now, is everything fine with you? >> No. >> If you can think of only the way you. want, is everything fine with you? >> Yes. >> That's all I'm saying. If you can feel. the way you want, is everything great. with you? >> Yes. >> If your energy functions the way you. want, is your life doing fantastic? >> I believe so.

>> Only thing is you can't make the world. happen the way you want it. To some extent we can push it. But you can't make it happen totally. your way. World will never happen your way 100%. ever. And I'm glad it is so, because if. everything happened your way, where the. hell do I go? >> [laughter]. >> Little bit your way, little bit my way, little bit somebody else's way. That's. the nature of the world and it's fine.

But this one should happen my way, isn't. it? >> I see what you're saying. >> If this one happens my way, the quality. of my life is determined. Like now, the world is making sure that I'm a. failure. >> [laughter]. >> But, because this one happens my way, I'm a. blissful failure. If this one did not happen my way, failure means misery, isn't it?

Cuz one thing that a man seeks is. success in every action. The purpose of every action is success, isn't it? Whatever the nature of the action. Whether you are going out there to save. your country or you're doing yoga or. you're a thief, the purpose of every action is success, isn't it? Yes. So, right now, my actions are a failure. >> [laughter].

>> I want 8.4 billion people, but I'm. getting only two. Failure. But, what happens here because I decide, I make sure this is a blissful failure. But, normally, if things don't happen. your way, you become miserable. This essentially means the external. situations. determine the nature of your experience. Or in other words, you do not know the. distinction.

between. what is psychological and what is. existentially true. Your psychological situation is your. drama. It's got nothing to do with. reality. You can sit here and you think. you're in Afghanistan. You can sit here. and you can think you're in Timbuktu. You can sit here and you can think. you're in top of Mount Everest. But, you're sitting only here. Yes. Yes. In your mind, you can sit on top of. Everest and feel cold also if you want.

In yoga, we say this a classic example. If I take a piece of rope. and throw it at you and say, "Snake.". Now, everything that a snake would do to. you will happen to you. Blood pressure. will go up uh go up. Your heart heart. will palpitate palpitate. Somebody may. even have a heart attack and die. Everything will happen, but it's just a. rope. Only thing is this, the rope. cannot bite you, isn't it? Yeah.

So, the psychological reality and the. existential realities are two different. things. People have lost the distinction between. the two. They don't understand this is. my drama. I need to direct it this my. way. They're letting the world direct their. psychology. Now, if you leave it to the world, world. is crazy. It'll never happen your way. When I say crazy, I'm not saying it's uh. wrong. All I'm saying is it'll never. happen your way, isn't it? Even if you're just two people at home,

100% it'll never happen your way. 51% your way, you're the boss. You try more, nobody will be around you. >> [laughter]. >> Yes or no? >> Yes. >> So, do you do you believe that what you. put into the world will come back to. you? As if.

you pump good. >> looking at it like that. >> If you pump. bad evil into the. >> See, if you take a stone, if you take a stone. and throw it there, will it bounce back and hit your head? >> No. >> No. But, you may trip on it if you're. not careful. But, if you throw it up, will it come and hit your head? Yes, most probably. This is true with everything, isn't it?

If you put it there, it is not going to bounce back and hit. you, unless you try a golf ball. I I. heard you have a terror of the golf. balls. >> [laughter]. >> If you throw a golf ball like this on a. hard floor, it may come and hit back at. you. But if you throw it up, right above your head, uh yes, it's going to land on your head. Depending on the strength of your throw,

it may just put a small hole, or it may. go right through. So, karma is just action. It will determine the nature of your. experience. It will not determine everything in the. world, but sometimes it does, depending on the. type of action. But the most important thing is karma is. not determined Karma is not a question. of reward and punishment system. Nobody. sitting there and giving you rewards and.

punishments. It's just that the. residual memory is there within you. >> It will alter your reality. >> See, right now, I did something very. wonderful yesterday. Now, that residual memory is there. within me. Now, suppose you do something See, you. put something in this room which makes. me sneeze, but I'm okay with you. >> [laughter].

[clears throat]. >> But if I do something yesterday, which is making me feel nasty, the. residual memory is there in me, slightest irritation, I will flare up. >> How would you rid yourself of those. memories? >> You don't have to rid it yourself. You. just need to understand. that. they don't determine who you are. Your current karma is what determines.

who you are. It is trying to tell this that people. are bumbling into this thing, be in the. moment. Do you understand? >> Mhm. >> Essentially, yesterday's karma is there. for everybody. Good, bad, ugly things we might have. done knowingly or unknowingly. But. right now. this moment's karma is in your hands, isn't it? >> Yes. >> How you think, how you feel, how you. conduct yourself, is it in your hands? >> Yes. >> If you are conscious.

if you get little excited it may go out. of your hand. It's happening to people all the time. Otherwise, why are people do things and. they regret later? Because at that. moment they're not conscious enough to. determine what to do and what not to do. I am not only. talking in terms of action. Even what to think, what not to think, what how to feel, how not to feel. See, right now, if I say something. abusive to you.

immediately, in your mind, maybe 10. times more abuse will come. Even you may. not say it, but it came. The residual memory of that stays. But. if you are determining the nature of. your experience, it's like this. A yogi. is going. to conduct something with the people. On the way, the village people stopped. and abused him in every possible way.

He heard everything very attentively, not ignoring. Very. consciously, attentively he heard. They went on. Then he said, "See, I 10:00 I have a meeting. I'll finish that. On the way I'll come. back this way. You can. tell me more when I come back. These people are those kind. They said. 10 things, if he says one thing they. will beat him.

But he says, "I will finish my work and. come back. You can tell me more things.". What do you do with this man? Now he's like this not because he's a. coward. He's like this because he's master of. his mind. That nobody hijacks his life. Nobody hijacks his experience of life. I took it. You say you're saying what. you know best. If you're abusing me, what are you. talking? Are you talking about me?

You're talking what best you know, isn't. it? Yes or no? >> Yes. >> If abuse is coming out of you, you're not talking about me. You're talking what is the best things. you know. Unfortunately, if that's the best things. you know, it's fine. You own This becomes my karma only if I. react to it. If I react to it, now your abuse will. determine my nature of experience. If I do not react to it,

if I consciously look at it, he's saying. all these 10 things, how much of it is. true with me, how much is not, then I will respond to it consciously as. I should. This is not pacifism. You know, this is not about being. pacifist. This is responding. intelligently and consciously. This is not about reacting. Because the. moment I react to you, I have become. your slave, isn't it?

You determine the nature of my. experience. Is that slavery or not? >> It is. >> Unfortunately, everybody is in that, isn't it? >> I believe yes. >> People can determine whether you're. peaceful or not. People can determine. whether you're happy or not. This is. slavery. People ask me, "Sadhguru, how is it so. much activity you're doing? All kinds of. projects, all kinds of stuff, political. things, this, that, everything.

How are you always like this?". Said, "I have never given anybody that. freedom. They can make me happy or. unhappy. They can make me peaceful or be in. turmoil. I decide those things. So, it's okay with me. Not that everybody's perfect around me, no. They do stupid things. >> [laughter]. >> Many things. When you're so widely active around the. world, not everybody's doing perfect.

things with you. There's lots of idiotic things. But, I don't let someone else decide what is. my experience of life. Maybe the work. may happen well if all of them go well. May not happen so well if all of them. don't go well. But, they will never decide my. experience of life. I have taken charge of that. Every human being should take take. charge of that because see, if you're.

feeling wonderful right now, you're feeling blissed out like me, will. you do something nasty to me? No. So, joy is an insurance, isn't it? You're feeling nasty right now. Without any reason, you may do some. nasty things to me, isn't it? True. Because human beings are only. sharing their experience. If there is. joy, they share joy. If there is misery, they share misery. If there's.

resentment, they share resentment. So, the most important responsibility that. you have is you keep this life pleasant. and well. If pleasantness happens, then one more. requirement comes. You want to be profound. In search of profoundness, how [sighs]. people seek sexuality, bottles, No, what's in the bottle? They seek drink, whatever alcohol,

drugs, this, that. Somebody seeks God, somebody goes to the. temple, somebody meditate, somebody will. do yoga. All this, why? In search of pleasantness and. profoundness. Somebody says all this. will not work, I will go to heaven. Why? Because advertisements have always. said. heaven is a very pleasant place. Right from your childhood, if I told you. God lives in heaven, but it's a.

horrendous place, do you want to go. there? No. You'll say I'll pray from here only. Let. him be there. But they have advertised that it's a. pleasant place. So all I'm saying is. whether you want to drink, or you want. to drug, or you want to meditate, or you. want to do yoga, or you want to go to. heaven, essentially you are in search of. pleasantness and profoundness. But human experience. is caused from within. Is that a fact? Yes.

Neither pain or pleasure ever came from. outside. Stimuli may come from outside. Pain came from inside, pleasure came. from inside, isn't it? Yes. Joy came from inside, misery came. from inside. Stimuli may come from outside. Agony and ecstasy also came from inside, isn't it? All human experience comes from within. you. What is coming from within you, if it that doesn't come the way you.

want, Isn't that a major derailment of life? >> Yes. >> That's what we need to fix. But we are. trying to fix the world all the time. No, world is not the problem. Yes, some. things need to change. We will work on. that. But. without you and me being well, how will the world be well? It's just a. joke. To the I'm good point.

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a mat, keep it under your arm armpit, and wear Lululemon pants, and go to that. fancy place, and twist and turn, and. look like a leftover noodle. That is not I mean, I'm not saying. that's not yoga at all, but I'm saying. that's a very rudimentary understanding. of yoga. The word yoga means. union. Yog means union. What needs to be united here?

We already went through this, your. breath. Your exhalation and trees' exhalation, inhalation, all happening together. Suppose you sat here. and actually experienced it. This what I did with people. Because a UN agency came and said. the southernmost Are you familiar with. India? >> A little bit. >> Been there? >> Yes. >> Which part? >> Mumbai.

>> Okay. Further south is Tamil Nadu, Chennai. You heard of Chennai? >> No. >> Bangalore? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, further south, the southernmost. state in the country is called Tamil. Nadu. Which is where our center is right now. I'm from close to Bangalore, a city called Mysore, but our center is. in Tamil Nadu, which is the southernmost. tip of India. This whole aspect of. what we call as yoga.

I was just looking at this, and one day. some UN experts came to Tamil Nadu. I got to meet them, and. they said. in the next This is in late '90s. Not even late '90s, mid '90s. They said. by 2025. 60% of Tamil Nadu will become a desert. I said, "What?" It's one of the richest.

agricultural states, among the richest. We have agricultural history of over. 12,000 years. Same land we've been. tilling. Four crops in a year we take. Rich lands. And these guys are saying. in 25-30 years you'll become a desert, 60%. As I don't believe anybody's anything, I. want to see myself. So, I just drove across Tamil Nadu. Crisscrossed. And then I saw what they were saying was.

not right. That it'll happen much sooner. Because. three major rivers had gone dry. Dozens and dozens of tributaries have. gone dry completely. People are taking sand home. They've. built homes on the riverbeds. And when you go and test the soil, it's. all becoming sand. Soil is becoming. sand.

And I go to the coastal regions and see. people have emptied the whole villages. and gone somewhere because the marine. ingress is happening. That is the marine water is has come. into wells and sweet water has turned. salty. So, people have left and gone. elsewhere to cities. I thought, "Wow, it's not going to go. till 2025.". Then I checked the national aspiration. in India is 33% green cover should be. there in every state.

But Tamil Nadu had 16.5%. So, I made a simple barefoot. calculation. This many thousand square. kilometers and of land, so how many. trees you have to plant to make it 33%? So, I came up with a number, 114 million. trees if you plant. in the next 6 years time, in the next 12. to 15 years time, you will have. 33% green cover. That means we would.

have prevented this desertification. [clears throat]. But how to plant? So, a small call a small group of people. and say, "Hey, we need to plant 114. million trees.". They roll their eyeballs. "Sadhguru, do. you know what is 114 million? How many. zeros in that? How can anybody plant 114 million. trees?". Then I asked, "What's the population?". 62 million. Then if all of us plant one tree today,

take care of it for 2 years, and plant. one more, we got the number. Just that we don't do it. That's all our. problem is. So, I got a few thousand people. I know they won't get the point if I. just say. Around 11:30 I met them. All Tamil people, you know, small town, rural people, everything. Naturally, they get washed up and put to. fresh clothes and silk sarees and. everything. Women, children, everybody. came and sat. The meeting is in open.

place. where it's hot. 11:00 sun. They're all sitting and sweating. I came and I also sat there in the sun. I'm simply. gossiping with them. >> [laughter]. >> Letting them burn down a little bit. After they Initially, they're laughing, happy. I'm telling them so many things. Then slowly they're wilting away, the. sun. They're looking at me like this. What's. wrong with Sadhguru?

He's just making us sit. Close by, there. are huge rain trees, about five trees, which each tree covers more than 3/4 of. an acre. That kind of massive trees. They are. right there. But I'm sitting in the sun. They are also sitting in some building. away. They are looking at me something. is lost it or something. I said made him sit there for about 1. and 1/2 hours to 1 hour 45 minutes. When I saw everybody was like wilting. away, I said come.

And we walked and went and sat under the. tree. >> [laughter]. >> You know a tree is such a fantastic. thing if you really burn down in the. sun, you go under the tree. Fresh life comes into you. I said is this nice? Yes, very nice. Said this is all we need to do. And I. made them sit down and do a certain kind. of meditative process. Where I made them experience what you. exhale this tree is inhaling. What the.

tree exhales you are inhaling. They sat. like this breathing breathing breathing. Now you can't stop them from planting. trees. >> [laughter]. >> Because suddenly you realize one half of. your lungs is hanging out there. This is yoga. That you realize there is a union. So if this happens, how can this happen? Can we do a little experiment with you? Yeah. Uncross your legs.

>> [clears throat]. >> Say with your eyes closed, hold your. palms like this. And uh for about 2 minutes. Whisk. Eyes closed.

Now hold the palms about 4 in away from. each other. Eyes closed. You notice something happening between. your hands? >> Feels like. opposite magnets. >> Mhm? >> Feels like magnets. >> Whatever, some sensation beyond your.

physical body, right? Yeah? >> Yes. >> So, there is a sensation beyond your. body just because of brisk brisk action. But, uh please, you can open your eyes. You have uh definitely because you've. been in those situations, you have seen. people losing limbs. Unfortunately, either because of road. accidents or in the. battles and wars, unfortunately, these. things happen.

Somebody lost a limb. A leg may be gone, but they still have sensations of a. non-existent leg. Yes? >> Yes, I do. >> It's called the phantom leg. That means beyond the physical body, there is a sensory body. Your sensation is the outermost part of. who you are, isn't it? So, right now we'll do a simple. experiment.

Just touch this and see. Your right hand. touch your left hand. Is that you? >> Yes. >> Yes. Touch this furniture and see. Is that you? >> No. >> How do you know? >> Because I can't feel. >> Here, there is sensation. Here, there is. no sensation. So, what is the definition. of yourself? Whatever is within your sensation, boundaries of your sensation, is you. Whatever is outside the boundaries of. your sensation is not you, isn't it?

>> Correct. >> Right now, this bottle of water. is sitting there. Is that me? >> No. >> If I drink it, does it become me? >> Yes. >> What happened? All I did was what was in. the bottle, I put it into the boundaries. of my sensation, suddenly it's me, isn't. it? >> Mhm. >> Suddenly, everything that we have eaten. and consumed became us because it came. into the boundaries of our sensation. So, what is.

of sensation is you. What is outside the boundaries of. sensation is not you. That's a. fundamental definition of your. experience of myself. Let us say. Let us say you are 100 kg. And you came to me, I made you 75 kg. I. can do that to anybody. >> [laughter]. >> Without any drugs or medicine. So, I made you 75 kg. Will you go about. searching where is my 20 kg, 25 kg of.

Shawn? No, it's not you anymore because it's. went outside the boundaries of. sensation. This is the fundamental definition of. your experience of yourself. What is within the boundaries of. sensation is you. What is outside the. boundaries of sensation is not you. Now, suppose I taught you a simple way where. you can make the boundaries of your. sensation as large as Tennessee.

Let's not go that far. I made it as. large as this room, let's say. Now, I am also in the boundary of your. sensation. Now, you experience me as a part of. yourself. You experience everything. animate, inanimate as a part of. yourself. Once you experience me and everything. around you as a part of yourself, do I. have to teach you thou shall not kill, thou shall not do this, thou shall not. do that?

No. What is part of you? You anyway do your. best, isn't it? Mhm. This is yoga. Yoga means you experienced. beyond your physical limitations that. what I thought was myself, suddenly I. realized what is me is not just this. One half of my lungs is hanging out on. the tree. This this this everything. because I expanded. the boundaries of my sensation or I.

opened it in such a way that. entire cosmos is a part of me, then we. say you're a yogi. If you experience whole creation as a. part of yourself, then we say you're a. yogi. Otherwise, you're a yoga. practitioner. You twist and turn, you don't become a. yogi. Anyone who twists and turns, they. call themselves yogis. No, no, no. You. must know some some sense of union. You might not have heard the word yoga. in your life.

But you sat there and felt one with. everything. You're a yogi. You. understand? This is not because of a certain. practice. If you didn't have enough sense, we'll. teach you practice. Otherwise, if you have enough sense. that if you're not too identified with. this and that that you're grown up with, if you simply open your eyes and look at. the world, you will be one with everything. Just human intelligence is capable of. this. This is why we call you a being,

not a creature. That you should know how to be. Make sense? >> It sounds like you're saying that a lot. of problems with humanity come from, maybe all problems with humanity come. from. an identity crisis. Am I wrong? >> Let me read this for you. This is. another poem. >> Okay. >> So, Nirgun, that means attributeless. As there is nothing I truly.

[clears throat] call as mine, neither this body nor any body, neither this world nor the other, neither friends nor foes belong. No fear of losing, no anticipation of gain. Here I am a transparence without. substance, a presence without persona, a being without self. Hence, activity has become stillness.

The din of the world, my silence. The very cosmos, my being. This is yoga. >> The very cosmos, my being. >> Yep. This is yoga. That means you're one with. everything in your. >> experience. Not as an ideology, not as. an intellectual thought, but a living experience. Because your. living experience is determined by where. you hold your sensory body.

>> So, how do you know when you've achieved. that? >> It's not an achievement. It's a homecoming. Even physically, if you look at it, the soil that you're walking upon and. the body that you carry as mine are the. >> same thing, isn't it? >> Will we get it now. and transform ourselves, or one day. will shall we get it from the maggots. and become good manure?

This is a choice we have. If we get it now, our life could transform. We could walk. more with much more sensitivity on this. planet. Otherwise, we still make good manure. I'm saying it's not. necessarily wasted. >> [laughter]. >> I guess what I'm asking is is how how. would you how would somebody know that. they have.

that they have. become one with everything. >> See, even if you don't have eyes, sun comes up, you know, isn't it? It tells you in so many ways. There's no question of missing it. Okay, but it's not an achievement. It's just that let me. Look, see right now we're sitting here. Suppose this was not a building, we were. sitting outside in the.

in the land. If we simply sat here, sat sat there, sat there, sat there, sat there, we would become part of the earth, isn't. it? So, did you achieve something becoming. part of the earth or soil? >> It just happened. >> That's where you came from, that's where. you went back. Homecoming it is. >> Okay. >> Not a you reach somewhere, no. You just. fell back into the lap of creation as. you should be. Whether you like it or.

not, that's where you are anyway. So, this is why we say this is a. realization. This is not an achievement, this is not. an attainment. A realization means what? Something was always here, but you. didn't see it. Today you saw it. You realized means. that. that you were stupid, what was hanging. right in front of your eyes you did not. see, today you saw. This doesn't mean you achieved. something. You realized.

>> I have been trying some. I wouldn't necessarily call it. meditation, but. maybe. I'm trying to experience some type of a. calmness, some type of a peace. And. so you you say we live This isn't where. I live, but we're out in the woods. I. also live out in the but we live out in. the woods. And. >> Why do you want to sell America that?

>> No. But I've actually never even talked. about this. I've never told anybody this. because it sounds probably stupid. But. I really started paying attention to. depth perception. And trying to view the world. and more of a. uh three-dimensional. um. I don't know, experience.

You know, so. >> Well, at least three-dimensional, isn't. it? >> Say that again. >> The world is already three-dimensional, isn't it? >> Yes, but sometimes I don't see it that. way. Sometimes when I'm not paying. attention, when I'm in a rush, when I'm. thinking about other things. I don't it Yes, it's three-dimensional. It is. But it appears maybe. two-dimensional, one-dimensional. >> How do you see the moon? Most people see it as a plate. >> [laughter]. >> That's kind of what I'm getting at.

And so what I really pay attention to. are the trees, the branches, the leaves, how far apart they are from each other, the depth perception perception in. between trees, then the the depth. perception perception in between the. trees and me. Uh and it it's also like I lose a sense. of self. Not completely, but. um. maybe 75% of the way there. And I've only able to achieve to achieve.

uh losing my sense of self through. uh certain psychedelics, like. experiencing an ego death. But for. whatever reason. and this is kind of a new. new thing for me. that I've discovered is when I when I. really pay attention to my depth. perception and the distance in between. objects in nature and particularly. um. it brings a. I already described it. Do you know what. I'm talking about? Mhm.

>> I must tell you this. For me. if I look at anything. if I see you. I don't see. initially when I see you the first thing. I see is the geometry of your body. Similarly if I see a tree if I see. anything. first thing I see is the geometry of. what it is. For me the deepest experience is always.

after physical stuff is always geometry. I drive it. >> [laughter]. >> I drive into my garage. at. 35 40 kilometers per hour. and then stop. 2 inches away from the wall. Very important for me. People say Sadhguru you come in so fast. suppose you can't brake in time you'll. be in the bedroom. I said that day I'll stop driving. Because.

in my mind. it's just the whole shape and size of. the garage how it is everything is. figured out. I don't think I'll make a mistake unless. I've lost my faculties. Because I don't hit any bottles I don't. lose my faculties. >> [laughter]. >> and they're full on. Why I'm saying this is. what you're saying is important. In this in engineering book there is a.

simple method I've given people. I said, "Just watch. Make the tap drip. like one drop every few seconds kind of. thing. Make it drip like that. Just. watch how it takes shape, how it's. drops, how it splashes on the ground, and spreads. Just watch. Simply watch. What will I get? Nothing. Because the greatest thing in human. experience or human faculty is. attention.

Conscious attention. If you pay conscious attention to the. simplest things, fantastic things will. happen. It's not about the. phenomena that you're watching. It's not. about the water drops. It's not about. the breath. It's not about the trees. It's not about the person, you know. The structure of the trees. It is the keenness of attention. If you develop that keenness of. attention, if there is sufficient attention,

every door in the universe has to open. to you. It's that attention which is missing. Today people are carrying their lack of. attention. as a qualification. I have attention. deficiency as a qualification. This happened. You heard of Andrew Carnegie? Andrew Carnegie? >> Mhm. >> The Carnegie guy who became very.

successful in late 1900s and early 20th. century. Those days he started making a. lot of money. More money than anybody. else was making for those times. Not. like today everybody's talking trillion. dollars, not that kind. But big money. So US government became. suspicious. that he's doing something. hanky-panky. How is he making so much money? So they had a investigation by the. congressman. They checked everything. Everything was.

proper. Nothing is not doing any crime. Then they asked, "How do you make so. much money?". He said, "See, I can keep my mind absolutely. focused on something for 5 minutes at a. stretch. Can any of you do that?" They thought. this is a joke. Well, what makes you. think we cannot focus on 5 minutes? We. can do it. He set up an experiment. Most. people could not hold it for 10 seconds. Then he said, "You guys should not be.

running United States.". >> [laughter]. >> Because it's in the attention. In yoga we call this pragna. That means. you hold your attention in such a way. slowly you become conscious. If you hold your attention on something, it doesn't matter what. You understand? >> Mhm. >> Doesn't matter what. You can hold it on. this microphone. You can hold it on that. bottle. You can just.

stare at nothing, but attention. Conscious attention. If you stay that. way, slowly the very cosmos will open up. for you because your consciousness. opened up. Once your consciousness. opened up, see, the boundary of your. body is framed by your memory. See, why that's your body, this is my. body, this is one kind of memory, that's. another kind of memory. >> Isn't it? >> Yes. >> In terms of genetics, this, that, that, whatever. Eight different forms of.

memory. That's one body of memory, this. is another body of memory. If I touch something within myself, which doesn't have any memory, but which. is conscious, now what happens? Who I am becomes both everything. Well, one simple way of saying that is. it's yoga, but it's also pragna. That means you. became conscious. Fully conscious.

See, how conscious one is. is a question of varying degrees from. person to person, isn't it? You woke up in the morning. When you. were sleeping, you were unconscious kind. of. Still you're conscious. Little one poke. you, you'll wake up. But reasonably unconscious. You woke up. little groggy. You are somewhat conscious. Uh after some time later, you're much. more conscious. Then you got up and went. out in the sunlight, you're really much. more conscious. So, I'm saying.

consciousness has different voltages to. it. So, essentially it's this. People are trying to be conscious. Don't do that. What is needed is a higher voltage. You know you there is a dimmer on the. light. What is it? You're controlling the. voltage. If you. let's say there are two lights lighting. us up. Now one I switched off. You disappeared in my perception.

You're still very much there. But I switched off that light. Light is only upon me. I think only I'm sitting in the room. But I turned on that light, suddenly you. are there, isn't it? You are always there. But in my perception. only now you are there. I turned up the. light much more. Now so many things are. there in this room. This is just like that.

Don't try to be conscious. Just turn up. the voltage. In yoga, there are many. many systems, different systems for. different people how to turn up your. voltage. You turn up your voltage, naturally you will see life in much more. vivid clarity. Right now, you're trying to do it the. other way around. You're trying to do. that, watch it, and slowly voltage may go up. It's possible, but it's a more difficult. path.

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Something needed. Don't you turn up your. wattage? >> Mhm. >> Isn't. >> It's adrenaline. >> You're talking suddenly talking about. chemistry. Now we will have to talk. about chemistry. >> [laughter]. >> Okay. >> Because you must understand. the chemistry. for painful experiences. And the chemistry for pleasurable exp-. experiences. The fundamental chemistry. is same. The chem- chemistry for fearful.

experiences. Chemistry for exciting. experiences. Fundamental chemistry is. same. It's the context of your framework. of your mind which makes this pleasure. or pain, stress or excitement. Agony or ecstasy. This is determined not. by the chemistry. Chemistry is just the. same. It pitches up. When it pitches up, if you're in the. right framework of mind, then this. becomes pleasure. If in the wrong. framework of mind, it becomes pain. Same things when they're done to people,

sometimes it causes pleasure. Your. friend came and tickled you. It feels like pleasure. Somebody that you don't like came and. tickled you. Unpleasant, isn't it? >> Mhm. >> Because it's the frame of your context. So it's the context that you need to. change, not the content of your life. Content doesn't decide the quality of. your life. It's the context.

So changing that context is the most. important thing. Every human experience. has a chemical basis. What you call a space has one chemistry, misery has another chemistry, joy is. another chemistry. All these have. chemical basis to it. Why are we creating wrong chemistry? We are creating wrong chemistry because. we're doing so many things. unconsciously. We can do experiments, you can do it by yourself also.

See, if you just hold your hands like. this. Hold it like this comfortably. Place it on your thighs. Sit with your spine reasonably erect, otherwise you cannot notice it. I will tell you what happens. We could. make it like an experiment, but I'll. tell you. You just do it and see. If you. hold it like this and may take a deep.

inhalation and exhalation, you will see. maximum expansion and contraction. happens in the lower lobe of the lung. If you just turn this around and. breathe, you will see. it'll happen more in the middle and. upper lobe, less in the lower lobe. Just try that. and see. Mhm. Is it so? Mhm. So, just if you turn your hands like. this, the very way you breathe is.

changing. It's not just the breath. The very way. your life energy's function is altering. itself just because you turn your hands. like this. How many times in a day are. you. doing this? >> A lot. >> I see you are sitting quite still. compared to a lot of people. Okay. >> [laughter]. >> Maybe it's your training and needing to. be in a certain way. But today young. people are whatever they talk, they're. talking like this.

So, you do this this this, and you expect yourself to be peaceful. All the best. >> [laughter]. >> The nature of this world is such. unless you do the right things, right. things will not happen to you. It's as. simple as that. You know, the moment I say this, people. will say, "I did the right things, but. you know what that guy did?" All right, that's what is wrong with you. What that guy did is determining who you. are. That's a wrong thing you're doing,

isn't it? >> Yes, it is. >> Unless you do the right things, right. things will not happen here. So yoga is the science of understanding. how to hold your body, how to breathe, how to sit, how to do everything. so that you move into a higher. possibility that nobody determines what. happens here except you. What happens in the world, everybody has. a share. You know, we talked a lot about. consciousness.

>> What do you think happens when we die? >> What? >> What do you think happens. >> [laughter]. >> when we die? >> The usual thing I would tell people is. you can know certain things only by. experience. Are you ready? Will you know? >> [laughter]. >> See, the simple thing is this. The question that you're asking is. beyond this body, what? Right? >> Yes.

>> But why are you asking that question in. the context of when you lose the body? When you have the body, why don't you. look. beyond this body, what? Because right now all your faculties are. in place, your intelligence is in place. This is the time to look at it, isn't. it? If I tell you what happens after death, I will tell you after death your soul. will come out and go through this. microphone. This is a tube. It'll go up. and go there.

I'm telling a ridiculous story. But if I tell you a nicely packaged. story, maybe you will believe me. Or maybe you will disbelieve me. Only two choices you have. Yes? If I talk about something that is not in. your experience, what is your choice? Believe me or disbelieve me. If you believe me, you have a nice fairy tale to tell. If you disbelieve me, you have a nasty. story to tell about me.

Both will not get you any closer to the. truth than the way you are right now, isn't it? So, the important thing is this. Is it true. that you gathered this body over a. period of time? Yes, it's true. Is it true that you gathered this mind. also over a period of time? Yes. The. content. >> Mhm. >> The content of this body and the content. of this mind you gathered slowly over a. period of time. Whatever you gather,

you can say it belongs to me. You cannot say it's me, isn't it? I don't know. If I say. this is my cup, all right? Maybe. >> Mhm. >> One day, they'll take it away. Hello? >> Yeah. >> One day, anyway, we'll leave it and go. >> Mhm. >> But I'm stupid. I say this is my cup.

All right, you'll bear with me. But if I say this is me, then you know I am a case. This you're doing every day. Food. appears on your plate and you say this. is my food. You eat it and then you say it's me. Crazy or not? >> No. What? >> [laughter]. >> Because I mean, if you consume. something, it absorbs into you. >> All right. But what you're carrying here is.

something that you gathered from the. earth, isn't it? >> Yes. >> And one day you'll give it back. >> Mhm. >> So it's yours for now. But not you. Hello? >> Yep. Okay. >> So your body belongs to you. I. appreciate that for now. One day maggots will dispute that. I will not start that now. >> [laughter]. >> It belongs to you, it's fine with me. Your mind or the content of your mind. belongs to you, fine with me.

But what belongs to you is not you. The. moment I say my body, that means there. is me and my body separately, isn't it? My cup, my body, my hand, my leg. Yes or no? >> Yes. >> So beyond this, there is you, which is. not coming to experience. So you want to explore that after you. lose the body? After you lose the body, you would have. lost all your faculties. How the hell.

will you explore that? This is the time, isn't it? >> Mhm. That makes sense. >> Right now, I asked you a simple. question. If you close your eyes, are. you still there? See, you're there. Eyes closed, you can't see the world, but you're still there, isn't it? >> Yes. >> So if you're still there, should you not. look at. what is this relationship between you. and your body that's made you feel like. this? See, if you really love somebody,

you feel like they're part of you. Wonderful. But you know they're not you. That is also wonderful. With your body, you don't know that. That is the problem. >> So what do you consider you? >> What do you mean what do I consider? >> I mean, what do you consider to be you? If your experiences are not you, what is you? What What are you comprised.

of? >> I just wrote a poem, too. >> You did? >> See, whatever we accumulate. can only be ours. Can't be us. At certain moments of intimacy, we may. feel feel somebody is me. But, if you treat them too much like. yourself, you will lose them. Yes. >> Mhm.

>> This also same. If you treat it with little distance, you can manage it and use it the way you. want. There's a little distance between you. and your body, you can use it the way. you want. You can use your mind the way. you want. Right now, it's using you up. When I say it's using you up, what is the life that people are having? The needs of their body and their mind. are occupying their entire life. Yes or. no? >> Yes.

>> Physical needs of food, sexuality, sleep, comfort, psychological things of emotion, this, that, whatever. Isn't that occupying. their entire life? >> Yes. >> Tell me, your body and your mind should. be serving you, or you should spend your. entire lifetime serving them? >> I'd rather it serve me. >> They should serve you? Well, you've been in the forces where. they have If you don't get it, they will. beat you into the place where your body.

should serve you, not you serve the. body. You're hungry, you don't eat, you're. thirsty, you don't drink, you need this, you don't do this, you don't even bloody. pee. All right? When you have to do something, you do. >> Mhm. We are also like that. That's why I. told you. if I sit here 12 hours, I will conduct a session like that only. No water, no going to the restroom, no. nothing. Because. we don't want to serve the body. We want.

to take care of the body. But we are not here to serve the body or. the mind. These two things must serve me. in my intention of what I want to do. with my life. Isn't it? Yes. If that needs to happen, you need a. little distance. So, you ask me, "What. is the first step?" Well, people can start with something not for. you. For you, I would start say you must. start with a little bigger step called. inner engineering. But for the people. who are just watching for the first. time,

they can start with what is called as. Miracle of Mind. It's a free app. available on the App Store. It costs a lot of money to service this. But we are offering it free because I. see if we don't take steps now, mental health is going to be in pandemic. proportions. Already, already they are saying the stats are. showing. one in three teenage girls in America.

have gone through. at least a few episodes of depression. and medication. One in three, 33%. In my experience of teenage girls when. we were of that age is they're giggly. and bubbly for no reason. They're not depressed. You can't depress. them. That's how they used to be. Now they're. getting depressed. Whatever the reasons, there are so many. reasons. I don't want to go into the.

science of it. It's a complex process. But the most important thing is we must. give them something that they won't get. into it. I was speaking to the what's the Surgeon. General of United States. He tells me. one in two Americans are feeling lonely. 50% If you and me are sitting here, one. of us is lonely, what the hell is. happening with the other guy? Loneliness is the incubation period for.

psychological elements. We must. understand this. The moment you're sitting with people. and you're feeling lonely, this means you're manufacturing a. psychological element. It's going to. come. How soon? Depends on the situations, how. supportive they are or how against they. are, you know, there's so many aspects. to it. But. the moment loneliness enters your life, you are walking towards it.

You can avoid it with friendships and. going out with friends, drinking, being. together, you're only postponing it. It's coming. And that's growing at a pace where WHO. says by 2035, it could be a major problem. They're. saying by 2045, it is going to be extremely difficult to. live on this planet well because both. physical and psychological problems will. be so high.

Today, America's health care. is crossing 5.25 trillion dollars. It's. larger than India's economy. for 330 million people. That doesn't speak well. And when I see the stats of suicides of. veterans, people who served the country, huh? People who risked their life, held something above their own life at.

least for those that period. See, a man who holds a man or a woman. who holds something above their life, something else above their own life, I. always bow down to them because there is. a that is a quality. that. can change things, you know. In anything. If somebody holds something above their. own life, that is a potential man. Most of the. time misguided, he may become a. terrorist or he may become whatever, an.

unnecessary adventure of war, whatever. But fundamentally a human being who. holds something above my own life, there is a potential there, which is an. incredible potential. Will we harness it in the right. direction or not is. subject to realities. >> What do you think about I mean since. we're moving into maybe you brought up. war. >> I'm sorry. >> Since we brought up war, what do you think the differences with.

killing in war versus killing for. revenge? Or is there a difference? >> Karma is not by action. Karma. is by volition. See, let us say someone is sitting here. Who uh. is sitting here and every day thinking I. want to kill my neighbor, I want to kill. my neighbor, I want to somehow plan,

poison him, do this, do that, but never. does it. That's a very serious karma because. you are doing it a thousand times in. your mind. Another. plans out a murder and kills the. neighbor. That is a little lesser karma. Another. goes there as a friend, gets into an. argument, and kills him. in the spur of the moment. Even the law. treats it separate differently, right?

At the spur of the moment you did. something or you did it in a planned. way. There is a difference. So, in terms of what impact and effect. it has within your system, the first one that I mentioned, you. never committed the murder, but you did. it in your mind a thousand times. That is a far deeper karma that affects. your system much much more. It poisons. you much much more. You plan and did it, that is a secondary. level.

But in a spur of the moment you did it, that's another level. So, it is not in the action, it is in. the intention or the volition with which. you approach life. So, that is something you can fix. We may not be able to fix our actions. because. at certain moments. life may demand different types of. actions. Action has to be always relevant, has to. be always relevant to the situation in. which we exist.

You can't. because we're talking about battle and. war, you can't go to battle and say, "I'm a peaceful person. I will not. shoot.". Can't do that. But will you shoot. because there is something to be done. which is in the larger interest or will. you shoot because you have pleasure in. shooting people or are you shooting. because you have such anger and hatred. against that person whom you don't even. know most of the time?

This volition will determine. So, this. volition you can change. Every soldier. can change this if at all if it's. necessary. I will do what is needed, but. it's not for my pleasure. It's not for. making that person suffer. It's not. because I think his life is less. valuable than mine. His life is as much valuable to him as. it's mine is my to me, isn't it? Mhm. Isn't it true? >> Yes, it's true. >> Whoever he is. So, always right from ancient times, we.

always had that regard and respect. soldiers maintained that regard and. respect. Unfortunately, in recent times. some people are not doing that. Otherwise, an enemy who fought well and died, you. respect him like your brother. Because. he is also trying to protect something. that he's identified with. Unfortunately, we met the wrong time. Isn't it? >> I would definitely agree with that. >> That's a real soldier. >> It's two people that are doing.

what's needed. It's two people that are. sacri- potentially sacrificing their. life for what they believe in. Uh who does that? >> what's needed in the given moment. It's not a question of right and wrong. cuz all the whole scenery is not decided. by them. They're not the ones who decide there. should be a war or no war. But they can simply exercise their duty. or take pleasure in killing another man.

or do it with great anger and hatred. thinking he's a evil person. No. His life is as precious to him as my. life is. But unfortunately, if I don't take his, he will take mine. That's all the choice is there in that. given moment. So, you fix the volition. Action you cannot fix. Not just in battle, even in day-to-day. life you cannot fix. In day-to-day life,

it may not be about taking somebody's. life, but in so many ways you can't fix, isn't it? But your volition and your intention you. can fix. This is why the identity of having a. larger identity, a global, if not a. cosmic, at least a global identity if we. have, we will do only to the extent it's. necessary. We will never do excess. That's all That's all we can do as human. beings. That we did not do excess.

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So, we got a quick Polymarket question. So, if you don't mind, I'm going to ask. this real quick here. Polymarket gives a 33% chance the FDA. approves a psychedelic for medical use. this year. Trump just signed an. executive order to fast-track it. The. government is moving towards these. substances for PTSD and depression. You've said they're unnecessary. How do. you respond to that momentum? >> So, what is trauma?

We We already touched it in a different. way. But essentially, trauma means. something is happening outside. Maybe the situation is not something. that I would like to be in. But it's happening. It could be a civil. situation or a. in the forces, it could be. It could be within the family. Not always physical violence. It could be emotional. It could be. something else. Something is happening.

that you don't like. See, why do we say. there is a situation here that I don't. like? >> [snorts]. >> Because it's not as per my desire. Yes? >> Mhm. >> I desire the situation to be this way, but it's that way. So, I don't like it. So, what is desire, if you look at this? Desire is an aspiration to expand. Whoever you are, you're desiring for.

something more, isn't it? Yes. See, the nature of desire is like this. When. you were a child, you thought if you get that lollipop, your life is complete. Then with lollipop in your mouth, then you thought after everyday lollipop. in your mouth, it was not good enough. You wanted a bicycle. Then you really believed if I got that. bicycle, I'll be on top of the world.

And it did feel like that. You got on. the bicycle and rode, it felt fantastic. Then bicycle got older, then you saw the. neighborhood girl and you thought if. she's there with me, be too fantastic. That happened, that happened, this. happened, that happened, so many things. happened. All right. But still, you see, there is something. more. Doesn't matter who you are. Still there is another desire. So the very nature of the desire is such.

always there'll be one desire which is. unfulfilled. At least one. Yes or no? Huh? >> Then what's that? >> That next one, whatever that is, for. different people is different. So the object huh? >> It never ends. There's always something more. >> I don't want to make a conclusive. statement like that. I'm saying the. object of desire keeps changing. But the desiring process is the same.

thing. How you desired for the lollipop, how. you desired for that neighborhood girl, how you desired for a career, how you. desired for money, how you desired for. wealth. Desire fundamentally is same, isn't it? >> Yes. >> Only the object of desire is changing, but the fundamental desiring is the same. process. You want to be something more. Now that from lollipop you're slowly.

graduating to all this, why all this, Sean? I will make you the king of this. planet. Will you be fulfilled? >> No. >> You want the moon, is it? >> I don't think anybody would be. fulfilled. >> No, no, let's explore. We're not talking. about you, we're exploring. >> Okay. >> If I give you the moon, will you be. satisfied? >> No. >> No. Why not the whole solar system? I'll. give you the whole solar system. You're. the king of the solar system. Then. you'll say, why not at at one galaxy?

All right, we'll have one galaxy. Then you will say, "What about the other. galaxies?". So, there is something within you which. does not like boundaries. Unknowingly you're seeking yoga, I'm. telling you. >> [laughter]. >> You have There's something within you. which doesn't like boundaries. But, desiring is a constipated. expression of your consciousness. Something is aspiring. You know what's.

constipation? >> Mhm. >> It happens little by little. That's a. problem. So, desiring is a constipated expression. of the longing to expand limitlessly. If you want to expand limitlessly, can you do it physically? >> No. >> So, you got it, man. You're a spiritual guy. The moment you see that I want to expand.

limitlessly, physical is not the way to. do it, you are on the spiritual path. That's what spirituality means. You realized the limitations of being. physical. But, your desire is way beyond your. physical self. You thinking it'll happen with property. You thinking it'll happen with a billion. dollars. You thinking it'll happen with. this and that. No, it doesn't happen. Look at the people who have it. It not. happen to them. Isn't it?

>> It has not happened to them. >> Yes. So, desiring as a phenomena. is the expression of your boundless. consciousness to find its original. nature. It wants to go home. To that limitlessness. But, you are giving it a constipated. expression slowly one by one. But, life is a very limited process. We. are all mortal. Mortality is not because I'm talking.

about it. When we are born, we got a. death sentence, isn't it? They don't tell us when. >> [laughter]. >> It could be today, it could be tomorrow, it could be 100 years later, we don't. know. Hello. >> Yeah. >> But death sentence is confirmed both for. you and me. >> It's common. >> Confirmed or no? >> Say that again. >> Is death sentence confirmed both for you. and me? >> Yes, it is. >> Only date and time you do not know.

So, if you want to know the date and. time of you your death, you know how. much yoga you have to do. >> [laughter]. >> This happened. There was a man called. Sankaran Pillai. He went and met a few of his friends in. the bar, they started drinking. After a. few drinks, you know, usually men start. bragging. Stories get taller and taller. This was. a mystical day. Different Different days are dedicated. to different subjects. When people get.

drunk, they'll talk about how they drove. their car or rode their motorcycle, how. they shot something, this this this. If. they are hunters, they talk about. shooting. If they're drivers, they talk. about driving. This is a little mystical gang. They were talking about all the mystical. stuff. Everybody was talking about how. they saw the ghosts and this happened, that happened. They pulled out a ghost out of a bottle. and a genie came out of this and stuff. This guy was just knocking off drinks.

They said, "What? You don't have nothing. to say?". He said, "Well, my uncle. knew the exact time and date of his. death.". They said, "Really? Was he a mystic? Was it so, you know, profound that he knew exact. time and date of his death? How did he. know this? He knocked off one more drink and said, "Well, the judge told him.".

You didn't get it, man. >> [laughter]. >> If you do certain actions, the judge. will tell you exactly when and how you. will die. That's not a good thing. >> [laughter]. >> So, I'm saying. trauma is because. life is not going the way you're. desiring. What you need to understand is desire is.

a phenomenon. What object we give. is our choice. Whether you choose lollipop or a girl or. a. bunch of. you know, a wad of money or this or that. is our choice, isn't it? It is. Our choice doesn't really exist because. most human beings are socially. cultivated. Everybody is having lollipop, you also. want to have lollipop, everybody is. having money, you also want to have.

money, everybody is doing this, you also. want to do that. So, to rise above the identities that you. hold and look at life, what is it that. matters to me? That intelligence is not being generally. worked at. Our education systems, unfortunately, have not structured that way because if. everybody looks at life intelligently, this may not be liked by you or by your. community.

If everybody starts looking at life. intelligently, they may not serve an. industry or a company or an army or. something, they may start doing their. own things. Which is what America is supposed to be. Which is what the human is supposed to. be. That individual human beings should. find a way. to find the best possible expression for. whatever aptitudes they have, isn't it? Yes. But,

doesn't matter what aptitude you have, you have to go sit in the school and. learn 4 + 4 is 8. Or chemistry, physics, mathematics, this, that for you which you may have. aptitude, you may not have aptitude. Whether you like it or not, you have to. go through that because they're trying. to produce a product. So, that you serve in a factory or in. the army or in this place or that place. They don't want you to be an individual. I am not trying to be an anarchist,

but I'm saying. societies were built for the sake of. individual well-being. We built a family for individual. well-being, isn't it so? Mhm. Yes, we will rise our above our. individual requirements to serve the. family or the community or the nation, that's a different matter. But, fundamentally, it is a well-being of life. for which we build everything, isn't it?

Yes. That we forget. We forget that that we are building all. the systems for the well-being of. individual life. But, systems This is literally getting caught. up in the process. We still We built this building because. we wanted to do something. But, we don't know how to open the door. and get out of this damn building. Then, this is a prison, isn't it? Yes,

it is. This is all that's happening right now. because you don't like something. Why? Because it's not going according to the. object of your desire. You could easily change the object. according to your choice. or according to the requirement of the. situation. But that doesn't happen, so it creates. unpleasantness. This unpleasantness we. call it as trauma. At that moment it happened, but now it. repeats itself.

Well, you are talking about people who. have been in extreme situations, all. right? Cuz battle is the most extreme. situation human beings can create. Famines and battles are the two most. extreme situations human beings can. create. Unfortunately, too many people are in. both in the world today. With all this technology and stuff, with so much information and knowledge, we should have eliminated both, but both. are very prevalent in the world, battles.

and famines. >> [snorts]. >> So, an unpleasant experience happened, let's. say. Something that we don't like is. unpleasant. We don't like because we had a desire. for this, but this is happening. Wrong thing is happening in our mind. Somebody else may be enjoying that. situation, isn't it? This is true. So, trauma is because of the resistance.

that we have for something that we think. we don't like. What we don't like is. something other than what we desire is. happening. But desire is essentially not about. these objects that we desire or. situations that we desire. Desire is a. phenomena which wants to expand. limitlessly. Even if you I give you one. galaxy, it's not enough. I must tell you. this. I was here in United States just before.

I started the Save Soil Journey. You. know, I rode a motorcycle, a lone. motorcycle from London to Southern. India, 30,000 km in 100 days. >> Wow. >> [laughter]. >> In 2022. I should have brought that book for you. I don't know if they have. Uh. So, I'll send you that book. Just flip. through that. This is people's. experience. I just told my daughter, uh you know, so many people served me on the way.

Just collect their experiences. What it. is because it was so brisk. I'm riding 16 to 18 hours a day. In. these 100 days, I did 691 events along. the way. >> Wow. >> Apart from. >> 691 events? >> Yes. On an average, nearly seven events. per day. And riding. >> Wow. >> Even when I'm riding, I'm doing. interviews as I'm riding. You will see. for the first time ever in Indian. national television, there's a man.

riding with a full-faced helmet, and. he's talking and giving interviews for. our long interviews on the national. television. That's me. >> [laughter]. >> So, I said, "Take their experiences and. put it in a book because all of them. served." Cuz in every country that I. went, different groups of people, different groups of people. Before I go. there, they're ready with the events and. works. I said, "Collect the experiences.". So, I said to her, "Within 1 year, let's. do it for the first anniversary." It. didn't happen. I said, "What the hell.

happened?" No, no, she's I'm collecting, collecting, she said. Said, "You lazy. bum, what are you doing? 1 year over, 2. years over." She didn't the do it. 3. years, now fourth year, she published. Then I look at the book, it's 450 pages. I said, "What is this?". You don't know, there were 1,000 pages. I had to edit it down and bring it down. to 450 pages. People sharing their experiences. >> [laughter].

>> I thought it'll be some booklet. Just do. it quickly. >> [laughter]. >> When is that book about? >> Huh? >> When is the book out? >> The book just got out on March 21st for. the fourth anniversary. >> Congratulations. >> [laughter]. >> I'll send you that one. I don't think. they have it here probably. >> Thank you. >> It's not a reading book. It's just. people's experiences of these 100 days. So,

when this whole process is happening, just before that I come to United. States. We didn't do the campaign in US, but I started in Caribbean then went to. uh. London and from there I wrote on. But I was activating the media. I did. some podcasts and this and that to bring. interest in the subject cuz soil was an. unknown thing at that time. Today it has. become the mainstream of cop the cop. meetings and everything in 4 years time. So, I was one morning I'm sitting here.

and I see one young man running around. like his tail is on fire. I said, "Hey, what are you up to, man?". >> [laughter]. >> He said, "Sadhguru, I just want to make. $1 billion. I want to make $1 billion.". I said, "What? Only $1 billion? Tomorrow you come, I'll give you $1. billion.". "Really? Sadhguru, you'll give me $1. billion?" "Yeah, man. Come tomorrow, I'll give you $1 billion.". Eight of his friends were sitting.

quietly. I said, "See these eight guys who are. sitting quietly here? I'll give them all. $10 billion each.". "Oh, why why, Sadhguru? They get $10. billion, I get $1 billion?" "You idiot, just now. you said $1 billion is the ambition of. your life. The moment they get $10 billion, you. become miserable? Neither they got nor you got, just the. idea.". >> [laughter]. >> This is the nature of the desire.

Your objective desire is just decided by. the times and the societies in which you. exist, isn't it? Yes. If you were here 200 years ago, you. wouldn't be thinking all this billion. nonsense. You would be thinking just how to cross. Mississippi, maybe. >> [laughter]. >> Do you have desires? >> Huh? >> Do you have desires? >> A lot of them. >> Are you able to control them? >> I create them. Why do I control them?

>> Well, that's what I meant. >> I create them. Your desires are anyway created by you. Either consciously or unconsciously is. only question, isn't it? Yes or no? Yes. >> I guess what I'm asking is you I think a. lot of people let desires run their. life. >> That's what I'm saying. The question is. do you drive your desires or desires. drive you? Nothing drives me.

I drive every aspect of my life to the. extent that I want. Nothing drives me. I'm not a waymo. >> [laughter]. >> You know what's a waymo? >> Yeah, I know what a waymo is. >> I'm not a waymo driven by something. I drive. And I think I do. >> Drive well. >> [laughter]. >> There's our way.

>> So, about trauma, which is important and. this post-traumatic thing. Which unfortunately such a serious thing. in the United States. The numbers I saw. Man, it's not good. Not good to treat. people who serve the country like this. Well, when I say treat, is the country. treating them badly? I don't think so. Some $230 billion budget just for that.

one problem. Investing money. is fine. It'll give some comfort. Not going to solve the problem. One important thing, which I don't think. will be taken, but I will make the. suggestion anyway, is. don't try to. send people into those situations and. then try to solve it. Before they go, why don't we spend a certain amount of.

time? I know you're training to be. strong, you're trying to train training. to be tough, to shoot straight, and this. and that. All those things are important. for the soldier. Fine I'm fine with. that. Along with that, how to keep myself, how. to be. This must be taught. We have done thousands of Indian Army. personnel. We put them through that. We. have trained over 750. I'm sure I would have that. I'm not sure about the number whether.

750 or 7,500. I'm not sure about that. That many trainers we have trained for. the Indian Army. >> Wow. >> They train. I don't know how many people. they have trained in internally. They won't give us that information. But we have trained so many tra-. trainers. Please, you must do this. What is the. point of breaking up men who serve the. country? They're saying on an average suicide. could be suicides of this particular.

problem could be over 40 people per day. That's too. That's horrendous. I can't accept that number. It's not good. For any group of people, particularly. those. who put their life in harm's way, all. right? >> I don't think they want to solve it. >> Huh? >> I don't think they want to solve it. >> Why would you say that?

>> Because the issue is as old as time. itself. And we're still saddled with the same. >> Maybe they don't understand the problem. Maybe they think this is a natural. consequence. Maybe they don't want to address it. because then you will have to address. whether this war itself was needed or. not. All those issues are there.

>> I think it's up to a. us, the veterans, to solve it. You know. >> No, I'm saying. the veterans could also influence to the. individual. >> to solve it. No, but I'm not saying. >> That we can always do. But I am saying. the young people who are going into the. services. if we equip them with something, we.

don't have to create broken people. >> I'm 100% with you on that. >> If people are willing, we are willing to. do that. As a part of this, I told them to offer. an engineering program for all veterans. free of cost. >> Well Say that again. >> For all the veterans who served the. nation here, we have done that in India. also for all the forces. that. the inner engineering program, which. normally costs $175.

for common people. we'll offer it free. >> Wow. >> It's online. They can do it in their. homes. And it'll do wonders. >> How do they find that? >> Hm? Where do they find this? Oh, in engineering. I'm sorry, they have some I asked them. to give you the link. >> Okay, we'll put it in the description. >> veteran/something. I'm sorry, I don't know what's the. thing. >> It'll be in the description.

>> We will offer that. They should make use of it. See, the. thing is. I'm not thinking only soldiers should be. free of this. See, our programs are mandatory in all. the southern Indian prisons. I personally went there and taught. programs at one time in the prisons. >> Wow. >> Now teachers have been teaching for over. 25, 26 years. They become mandatory and the whole. prison atmosphere has changed.

Here also I did those programs in. Pennsylvania high security prison and. Philadelphia. And we tried in Tennessee also, but. they were fantastic the programs. initially. I personally went there. myself. I must tell you the experience. In Philadelphia. life sentence is life sentence. That is there's no remission.

And there's no death sentence. See, this is a jinx, you know? If you commit a crime, whatever it is, people commit crimes for various. reasons, not always because of some evil. stuff. For a variety of reasons it happens. Unfortunately. uh it happens. I must tell you about. this particular guy. He uh. when he's just uh.

just over 18. finished his high school just over 18. And uh he thought some fancy thing. He. thought he would do some. shooting and rob a store and he killed. two three people, I think. Two people, I think. So, he got life sentence. At the age of 18, he came there. I met him and he's 56.

Strong, fit guy. They initially didn't want to have him. because the prison guards felt we can't. manage him in the program. Inside the classroom, one guard is. standing with a rifle. I said, "Please, don't stand inside. If. it's a must, you stand outside." He. says, "No, no, no, he's very dangerous.". It literally they're waiting one moment. if he does one mistake, they'll shoot. that guy. I said, "Please, don't do this.".

But they said, "No.". This guy, because he's he's become so violent, because now he kills another 10 people, there's no death sentence. Only thing is more life sentences. You know, in America, I hear somebody. sentenced for 800 years. That means what? You'll make sure he. lives for 800 years? Anyway, he'll die at a normal length of.

time, isn't it? Mhm. So, he's violent because there's no. consequence. What will you do to me? At the most, you'll put me in the. solitary. So, most of the time he's. solitary all the time, I think. It's a 5 by 8 kind of. cell. So, on the fourth or fifth day after he. started the program, he broke down and. cried. Big guy.

Everybody, all the other prisoners, convicts, terrified. Cuz this guy is crying. Everybody's terrified of him. They give. him separate time in the yard. Because he'll bash somebody up. Even in the yard time when he's they. walk and exercise, separate time for. him. And this guy is crying like a baby. Then he wanted to speak. I said, "Please. speak.". He said,

"In the last 30 years, I have not been able to sit. When I'm exhausted, I fall asleep. But I can't sit in one place. And last 4 days I'm sitting here for 3. hours a day with you. This is the greatest miracle for me.". That he's sitting in one place. Otherwise, he just walks up and down. this 8 ft. Up and down, up and down, up and down. When he's exhausted, he'll fall asleep.

And uh you know, like this in India, see, the prison is a very organized. place. In the sense, you wake up on. time, somebody opens the doors for you, somebody closes it for you. Food comes bang on time. Everything on. time. Only thing is, if you enter the prison, I have never. been into a prison and come out without.

tears in my eyes. Because there is pain in the air. Just the idea. somebody is locking you up. Because in human consciousness, the most. important thing is freedom. People may. not articulate it like that. They themselves may lock themselves in. the room, but it's okay. But if somebody. locks it from outside, suddenly it. becomes another level of pain. So, in India.

you they wrote over 3 to 4,000 poems. Hardly educated people. Most of them are. like, you know, never been to school or. some basic school. One guy. wrote a poem. He killed three people in the. courthouse. So, in India that is considered rarest. of the rare. In India, there is death sentence, but. in the rarest of the rare cases only. So, who defines that rarest? Of course,

the judge and then, you know, there's. appeal and appeal and appeal right up to. the president. But, if nothing usually they are on. death sentence, but they stay there for. 15, 20 years. If they have a good. lawyer, up to 25 years. So, this guy has been on death sentence. for more than 8 or 9 years. And. I I did a 10-day event for them inside. the prison. >> [laughter]. >> You know, I I just.

It's so painful and so touching. So, all these people, one thing is the. prison psychologist tailor told me. that in the last 136 years of the. prison's history. not a single day there's been a day that. somebody was not in the solitary. The solitary was created by the British. when they were there. That is, it's a 5 by 5 box steel box.

5 by 5 by 5 cube. With a small hole like this and rest of. it is all steel metal. And it's outside. In the sun, it gets hot. That's where they are. Solitary. Every day somebody gets into it because. they'll do some mischief, something. After the program started, not a single. person went into the solitary for months. on end. >> Wow.

>> And the prison psychologist said, "The. biggest problem is they don't they. cannot sleep. In the nights they're. howling like wolves.". Howling stopped. They started sleeping. well. And this guy wrote a poem. He was on. death row. Now he's been executed. Uh he was on death row for 9 years. And still they're appealing and. appealing into one more court, one more. court appeal. So he wrote a poem. He said, "Every day. when the cell door closes in the. evening, I thought this is my grave.

But now when the cell door closes, I. close my eyes and this has become my. Bodhi tree." You know what's a Bodhi. tree? Where Buddha got Buddha got enlightened. under the tree. Gautama the Buddha. sat under the tree and he got. enlightened. He's saying when the cell. door closes, it becomes my Bodhi tree. I. close my eyes and meditate now. I'm saying. I'm talking about extreme situations.

Prison is an extreme situation in so. many ways. They they may be safer than in the war. zone. >> [clears throat]. >> But this sense of I'm not free. is the deepest suffering in a human. being. People cannot understand this. unless they see what happens there. I was in uh Kentucky uh prison. And I was doing this program on 6th, 7th. day, one black lady comes to me with one.

young boy, maybe 10-year-old boy. And she holds my hand and says, "Guru, Guru, I want to talk to you. My husband, you know, he thinks you're Jesus." I. said, "Please don't say this. I don't. want to be crucified or anything. Please. don't say such things. I'm just an ordinary guy coming to help. them. Then she said, "You know, my husband, he has the heart of gold. But,

in a fit of anger, he killed somebody. Then he came out on, you know, some. parole. He was outside. Somebody said something, he killed. another guy. I'm saying people get into these things. not necessarily. in a planned way. Just one moment. Something that they don't like. This is the way they react. If they had done this. 100 years ago, 200 years ago, or 1,000. years ago, it would be quite normal in.

the tribe. Somebody irritated you, you kill that. guy. People would say, "Oh, it's a good. thing. That guy irritated you, you. killed him.". But today he's locked up in the prison, I'm saying. >> Mhm. >> So, I'm saying the consequences that we. face are not always. the same, depending upon the times in. which we exist. Different things happen. to us. How to process all this? Because we're. still the same human beings, isn't it? >> Yeah. >> Whether you are here 1,000 years ago, or.

today, or later, we're still the same in your human. beings. So, we have to look for what is. the constant. See, the content of your mind. is not what it would be if you were. 1,000 years ago. Isn't it? >> Definitely would not be the same. >> But the content of the body would be. largely same. Maybe the fitness of the body would be. in a different level, but general. content of the body is same. Chemistry. is same. Energies are same.

That's what we should manage. But we are. always trying to manage this surface, which is just an impression of the times. upon us. The human being needs to be taken care. of, but we are trying to prune this on. the surface. So, this is what inner engineering is. about. You change the very energies. You. change the very chemistry of who you. are. If you create a blissful chemistry, after that, what is trauma? There's no.

such thing. It will feel insulting for people who. have been through that, but I'm saying. this with utmost respect for whatever. they go through. But, the most important and empowering. thing is that you determine the nature. of your experience. The world determines the nature of your. experience, that means you will be unfit for the. world in some way, isn't it?

>> It is. >> The The choice is this, shall I fix the whole world the way you. want, or will you fix yourself in such a way. that you're fit to live in this world? >> That is a damn good way to look at. things. >> Hm? >> That is a damn good way to look at. things. Thank you. >> We must fix the chemistry. We must fix. the energy. Thoughts and emotions are happening. according to our times, isn't it?

That's surface. If your chemistry is blissful, your. energy energies are stable, then what is it? Outside world, you'll handle it to the. best of your ability. Can somebody do the best in the world? There's no such thing. Whichever way we do it, we can do it. better, isn't it? Hello? >> Yes. >> But, I must do my best.

If what I cannot do does not happen in. my life, it's all right. But, if what I can do, if I do not do, I'm a disaster, isn't it? >> Yes. >> This is all it is. In our lives, if we. do not do what we cannot do, that's not. a problem. In our lives, if we do not do. what we can do, we are a disastrous. life. I want to make sure nobody is that. disaster. Everybody can do this much. That your experience of life you.

determine. Outside, we will naturally do our best. if you're in a good state. We'll do our best. Our best may not be. the best. It's okay. We're doing our best. >> I love that. One day we must golf, then I'll show you. what's my best to you. >> [laughter]. >> All right, that sounds good.

Well, I think that might be the perfect. place to end this. >> Huh? >> I think that might be the perfect place. to end this. >> Yes, we're building a golf course in. Tennessee at that. >> You're building a golf course? >> Yes, it'll be playable by October, but. we will open it sometime early spring, next spring. >> Well, I will come golf there. >> You have to. >> Is it in McMinnville? >> Huh? >> Is it in McMinnville? >> Uh from McMinnville we are 18 miles, I. think. >> Okay. So close. >> It's a. It's a 71 72, that means 7,172.

yards. >> Wow. >> It's a long course. >> Beautiful course. Well, shall we go smack some balls? >> Huh? >> Shall we go smack some balls? >> Yeah. >> All right. >> you don't have any clubs? >> I think we got some. >> Is it? >> [laughter]. >> We'll check. >> We can if you're done with your. questions. >> Well, Sadhguru, >> Let me see if you. something of.

Oh, there's a poem on. You want to? >> Yeah, let's hear it. >> Life and death. live in me at once. Never held one above the other. When one stands far, life I offer. In closeness, only death I deal. In death of the limited, will the. deathless be. In death of the limited,

will the deathless be. How to tell the. fools of my taintless evil? >> I get. >> [laughter]. >> Because if you do not. in some way destroy the limited nature. of what you have constructed, the larger life will never come into. you. Creation. and the source of creation is the most. spectacular thing. It's way beyond anything we can imagine.

I'm saying a simple thing. If you take a. leaf, how it is made, you can It's beyond your imagination. And it's a very source of life. Photosynthesis is the basis of all life. on the planet. A simple life is doing that all the. time, isn't it? A simple leaf is doing. that all the time. But we think we are brilliant. That's why we are so stupid. >> [laughter]. >> Word of the day, right there.

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