Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day | SRS #179

[Music]. Dr Paul saladino welcome to the show man. thanks for having me I've been pumped. about this interview but um but um but. we had a before we get started I'll give. you the introduction and we'll go. through all that stuff here in a minute. but you're living down in Costa Rica. yeah I live in Costa Rica how long you. been down four four years almost why did.

you move to Costa Rica for fun for. surfing that's it yeah that's it and for. nature nice yeah I lived in Columbia for. 5 years but uh I can't say well I did. move down there for fun but uh it got a. little too fun and I had to move back. but uh I spent some time in Costa Rica. in my uh in my Journeys down south and. and uh man what what a. beautiful place it's jungle it's ocean I.

mean I was living in Austin Texas before. I moved to Costa Rica and I had just. started a company called heart and soil. supplements they make organ capsules and. so I was trying to do podcasting and and. like build a company and I just felt. like I wasn't having enough fun I've. learned over the years that I am the. most creative and the most able to do. good work in the world when I have. something in my life that I can do every. day or almost every day that just brings. me pure joy it's just play right there's.

nothing productive about it it's. frivolous you know it's just I want to. be playing in nature and that joy that I. get from playing in nature in Costa Rica. at surfing it fuels everything else I do. because every single day in Costa Rica. unless it's a hurricane or unless the. waves are absolutely horrible I'm out in. the ocean at 6:00 a.m. for two two and a. half. hours yeah so I'm getting sunlight I'm. grounding um I'm moving my body and I. come out of the ocean and I'm just happy.

and I don't always get a great wave I'm. I've only been surfing six seven years. so I'm still a pretty mediocre Surfer. but I'm I'm just full of joy and that. allows me to do everything else and it. it makes all the other stuff that I do. in the day easier because I'm just I'm. just happy dude you got to connect with. lared Hamilton I've I've connected with. him I had him on my podcast I've never. met him in person but I know a bunch of. his friends in Malibu yeah hopefully. I'll get to hang out with him soon he's. awesome awesome yeah he was great we did.

and he's all about he's all about being. healthy and like I think you guys would. really hit it off absolutely well we. think we both think about food you know. he's and I'm the same as that I think. about food as the center of human health. um one of the biggest you know metrics. one of the biggest levers we can pull. and lar does the same way and it's. served him well he's what is he in his. 60s yeah still surfing big waves yeah. like that's that's longevity yeah that. dude is uh he's something else great. person great person but why Costa Rica I.

mean out of all the places you could go. on Earth to embed yourself in nature how. did how did why Costa Rica the story is. that I was in Africa so I went from. Austin Texas I went to White Fish. Montana did some snowboarding to take a. break from Austin I thought I need a. break you know I'm a little bit. overwhelmed with all the business stuff. and building the brand four years ago. four and a half years ago and I went to. went to White Fish and then I went to. Africa with a friend of mine to spend. time with this tribe in Tanzania called.

the hza they're some of the last. remaining hunter gatherers on the planet. and we spent like two weeks there with. the hodza and we can talk about that. because it's really interesting the way. that they live on the way back from. Africa which is a gnarly journey and all. these time zones I stopped in DC to see. my family and Austin Texas had a huge. ice storm and I thought I don't want to. go back to Austin they have an they had. a huge ice storm everything's shut down. it's horrible and I've been hearing. about this place in Costa Rica called. Santa Teresa which is where lived.

originally but not where I live now and. I thought well I've heard that Santa. Teresa is a good place to be a digital. Nomad they have good meat they have. internet and they have good waves and. it's warm water and I want to get back. to surfing so I'm going to go to Santa. Teresa so I went to Santa Teresa from DC. and thought it was going to be an 8-day. vacation and it just kept getting longer. and longer because every day I would get. up surf walk the beach at night watch. the sunset ground and I thought this is. the best quality of life I've ever had. as a human I grew up in Washington DC. and the suburbs and I had a a pretty.

good childhood my parents are wonderful. people they're both still married and. alive my dad's a doctor my mom's a nurse. but I never grew up with that much. access to something that was close to. Nature and fun and so I just kept. extending the trip and eight weeks eight. days became eight weeks and then 6. months and then I bought a house and. then I sold it and then I moved to. another spot in Costa Rica and it just. it's just gone from there and I've never. really wanted to leave because it's been.

such a good quality of life for me man. it's you know I'll tell you another. thing that when I moved out of the. country part of the reason I moved out. is I just got sick and tired of. listening to the politics yeah all that. and that was that was a long time. ago proba it was over 10 years ago since. I've been back but um but uh just the. just the just to be able to like set. that load down of all the all the. up narratives and that's happening. and everybody's pissed off in the US.

about how the country is being run no. matter who's in office and hearing. everybody's opinion and then you go to a. place like Costa Rica or me Colombia and. like nobody cares about that and uh. and it's like you just don't hear any of. that noise and that's that was a huge. relief for me you know to to to like put. that aside and actually. just be with myself you know what I mean. without thinking about that kind of.

stuff it's a man phenomenal way to to. disconnect it's it's a really nice. balance for me before the show we were. talking about the jungle and infrared. light and I'm sure we'll talk about that. on the podcast but yeah it feels very. disconnected I mean where I live is I've. got a house in the jungle overlooking. the ocean and it's just all I see is. green yeah outside my door is just green. leaves reflecting infared light and it's. warm when I got there I felt very.

wealthy in terms of sunlight and that. felt really good I mean we know sunlight. is good for humans we have ultraviolet. which makes vitamin D and other things. in the human body but you have a full. spectrum of light and being near the. equator it makes so much sense the. temperature in Costa Rica is it's pretty. much between 76 and 84 degrees. Fahrenheit year round it it's so easy to. be a human there I rarely wear a shirt I. almost never wear shoes I never close. the windows in my house uh I sleep with. all my windows open and so I'm connected.

to the outdoors so much more I don't. have to use air conditioning I don't. have recycled air the water for my house. comes from a stream on the mountain so. there's no fluoride there's no chlorine. there's no pesticides there's no. Pharmaceuticals in my water and it's. just it's clean air clean water there's. no cell service at my house so I have a. Wi-Fi router at my house and I turn the. Wi-Fi off and I use ethernet cables so. I'm sure we'll talk about RF EMF Wi-Fi. type stuff in the podcast too hopefully. and so I have zero RF EMF at my house.

and I can just live in that environment. and sort of do the experiment do I feel. differently because growing up I lived. in the suburbs and there was a time when. I was around 22 that I threw hike the. Pacific Crest Trail so I walked from. Mexico to Canada and that's on a. Wilderness Trail that's. continuous every night for three and a. half months I slept on the ground on a. sleeping mat but I was out in nature it. was one of the most joyous simple times. in my life but I think that there's. something about being in nature that's. good for humans and that changed me and.

I feel like I'm closer to that when I'm. in Costa Rica I'm just Closer To Nature. and and closer to that sort of memory of. just being in the natural world and it's. just it's it's meant everything for me. over the last few years I went down. during Co so there was a lot of. political stuff happening too oh yeah oh. yeah yeah was it was it pretty political. down there you know it was a little bit. every time I went back to the States I. had to do a covid test and in a lot of. the grocery stores when I first got down.

there you had to wear a mask so they. were enforcing some things Costa Rica. kind of just follows they're not really. they don't really question much but it. was it was much more free I think than. the States was because they did close. the beaches apparently in Costa Rica. like they did I was living in San Diego. before I was in Austin and that was when. Co first started and they closed the. beaches I heard dude I heard I heard. that if you got a if you if you got. directions on ways or ordered in Uber. that in California there was like a a.

warning that went out that was like are. you sure you want to leave your. house that was it was crazy. it was crazy when I was living in San. Diego I was surfing but I also had a. foil board do you know what a foil board. is is that the thing lay dust layer dust. layer made right so it's a board with a. mast and then a wing below it and I had. an electric foil board and I would go to. this um this Inlet um the Hond Reservoir. in San die San Diego and I would go on.

my foil board it's an electric foil. board you don't need anyone to pull you. and you can kind of essentially fly. around the board is out of the water and. during covid they closed the res they. closed it you couldn't even go in the. water and I thought forget this I just. went in by myself and I'm foiling around. the reservoir by myself I'm thousands of. feet from any human yeah and a policeman. saw it or someone called it in from the. neighborhood and I saw there were.

flashing lights at the entrance where I. would get out and I thought oh that. guy's going to give me a ticket and I. think it was like a $1,000 ticket for. breaking the quarantine or breaking. these rules in in Co and so I just. waited him out I just stayed in the I. didn't have anything else to do that. afternoon thankfully I waited him out I. I just I just sat on my foil board in. the middle of the reservoir it's like a. brackish saltwater freshwater Reservoir. I just sat there and then he he waited. for four or 5 hours eventually I went to.

this little Inlet and kind of snuck. around and there was a house full of. people and I said hey can I bring my. foil board up and you know we I went and. walked over and he was sitting right by. my truck the people in the neighborhood. must have said that's his truck and the. cop was sitting there and then. eventually he left wow yeah but he this. is something finally more important H. yes something F but this this policeman. who I respect right thank you for your. service like literally during Co the. best use of his time was trying to give. me a ticket for foiling by myself in the.

middle of a reservoir and he waited for. four to five hours for this WOW crazy. that's insane that's insane I I sorry I. we got to talk more about Costa Rica. just me I think about I think about. leaving you know States yeah I think. about it all the time and uh and uh do. you have citizenship down there you can. get it I'm on a track to citizenship so. how does it work I mean do you just go. down there and buy a place is it are. that uh American ly yeah it's very.

American friendly in Costa Rica you can. own property I believe in Mexico you. have like a 99e lease but in Costa Rica. you own the property out outright so I. bought a house in Costa Rica and they. may have changed the laws but I think. you only have to spend 150,000 or. 200,000 on a property in Costa Rica to. qualify for citizenship track no kidding. yeah I'm a temporary resident right now. in a year and a half I'll become a. permanent resident and then you can. become a citizen in maybe 5 years after.

that I forget the exact progression but. yeah you you can get a pathway to. citizenship in Costa Rica just by buying. a moderate property there how's your. Spanish it's pretty good yeah yeah it's. pretty good I have uh some good friends. so one of the things you often do in. Costa Rica is you get a caretaker like a. a gardener who looks at your house most. days because people will squat in your. house if you're not there so I have a. caretaker who takes care of the foliage. at my house and cleans and like helps me. with errands I'm not there and he's.

Nicaraguan and we speak exclusively in. Spanish so it's good to good practice. yeah. cool yeah we got I got to get I got I've. been wanting to take my wife down there. cuz she's down but uh yeah we will we. will her birthday is coming up maybe. we'll do it then but it like so many. places there are touristy spots in Costa. Rica and there are less touristy spots. in Costa Rica and you asked me earlier. is the place where you are overrun it's. not I mean overrun by America yeah yeah. they ruin everything man we do.

often everything gets more expensive we. often do yeah yeah so your place is. you're remote I'm pretty remote I mean I. have running water I have electricity. right um I have two internet service. providers because often one of them will. go out right so one of them is fiber. optic and the road to my house um was. only paved in the last two years a lot. of the roads are dirt the last 300 M to.

my house is dirt but the road up to the. dirt road was paved in the last couple. of years and when you're driving up the. road it's it's gorgeous so the road up. to the dirt road is gorgeous paved Road. and on the side of these big trees big. old trees so in the rainy season you'll. get some wind and rain and it's very. common that a branch will come down and. take out power and the Fiber Optic. internet and in that case I have a I. have a backup so I can still do work or. connect with the outside world because. no sell service yeah yeah wow wow that's. awesome man well let me give you let me.

give you an introduction here okay Dr. Paul saladino Paul saladino is a double. board uh double board certified MD and. host of the Paul saladino MD podcast you. question our assumptions about health. and the role of nutrition which is. controversial in modern medicine you say. that Western medicine fails to treat the. root cause of chronic illness and. doctors are only taught to treat. symptoms with medications you firmly. believe that nutritional choices lie at. the root of so many chronic illnesses.

that Western medicine says are. irreversible he stated the most chronic. illnesses are preventable and. reversible you definitely walk the walk. and practice what you preach Paul. welcome to the show it's an honor to. have you and I have a I have a gift for. you okay but uh you're probably not. going to like it I'm a little. embarrassed to give it to I'm not going. to lie honestly I don't give it to any. of the doctors and then I had uh I had. uh Dr Gabrielle Lions on the other day.

and she got upset that I didn't give. them to. her so I felt bad but uh so these are. vigilance League gummy bears Act full of. that will kill you but they do. taste pretty damn good and they are made. here in the USA so if nothing else just. there's a little Keepsake for you cuz. they are hard to come by I have a gift. for you too good so I bought you some. meat sticks from lineage um this is one. of the companies that I founded and.

they're all grass-fed grass finished. with organs I just crushed a whole bag. of these downstairs they're pretty good. huh these are amazing uh so yeah how. long have you been doing this so lineage. is in its 11 months so we've been in. business lineage has been around almost. a year and then the other company is. heart and soil and that makes desicated. organ supplements I'm going to send you. some of both we can talk about organs. and stuff but the cool thing about this. is I never thought I'd be an. entrepreneur you know I went to medical. school but. it's been empowering and exciting to.

think about making things that people. can use to lead better lives and making. them in a unique way like that's all I. want to do with these companies is make. products that don't exist in the market. that allow people to lead better lives. in a easier way so it's just the highest. quality stuff that I could get people. and it's all animal-based type nutrients. which we'll talk about a ton in the. podcast it tastes amazing and I guess I. me maybe a little TMI for the audience. but usually when I have that kind of. stuff stuff like I start when I burp I.

taste it you know and it's like I'll get. like some heartburn or something but I. can I can tell by eating those like. that's not going to happen like I just I. can tell it's just real food there only. ingredients in there and in everything. that all my companies make are things. like grass-fed beef organs vinegar and. salt that's it so nothing what's the. deal with organs so organs we're talking. about liver heart kidney spleen pancreas. testicle ovaries brain. like humans have always eaten these but.

they're not a part of our diet today. when I was in Africa with the hza we. hunted baboon their hunting grounds have. been encroached upon by other other. tribes so they're protected now because. of Tourism by the Tanzanian government. but they don't have as much room to hunt. as they used to they would rather hunt. things like Eland which is a large. antalope but often times they end up. hunting baboons which is a little. interesting because it's it it kind of. looks it's looks human you know like. they have a thumb um but we hunted a.

baboon with them and the first thing. they did after they killed the baboon. was put the baboon on the fire and then. we ate the organs so I shared the organs. with the tribe another time with them we. ate a goat that someone had gifted to. the tribe and they had this Raw Liver. that they cooked and they put it on a. rock before they cooked it and they were. treating it like it was like a precious. piece of gold they they treasure these. organs the day after we killed the. baboon the hunter who killed the final.

who delivered the final blow that killed. the baboon offered me this is like. Indiana Jones stuff he offered me brain. he had the baboon head and he had. roasted the brain and he said do you. want some brain of course I ate it you. know so I ate this baboon brain with a. guy but that's like one of their. favorite parts of the baboon is the. brain but what's so interesting about. organs is they have unique nutrients and. to be fair muscle is an. [Music]. organ this show is sponsored by better. help who's your support system for me. it's my family and my inner circle of.

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call 972. Patriot when you go to the grocery store. and you look at the butcher counter you. see muscle meat you don't see Heart You. Don't See liver you don't see testicle. but you see meat and that's an organ but. that's just one organ and really the. fatty reserves are an organ in in of. themselves the adapost depot are a. separate organ and all of the organs. have signaling molecules amines and. hormones and they have unique nutrients.

so you look at muscle meat like a steak. right steak is very high an iron which. is bioavailable because it's heem iron. from animals muscle meat is high in. creatine which we know has been studied. to help with mental performance Muscle. Recovery explosivity it's high in B12. it's high in B6 it's high in zinc but. it's not very high in folate and it's. not very high in it's has some choline. but the liver has more um the biotin is. higher in the liver so the some or an. have complimentary nutrients that we.

know are important for humans liver has. copper and it complement the zinc and. muscle meat so there's this historical. pattern of humans consuming animals. where if you eat the whole animal you. get a much more comprehensive robust. nutritional profile than if you just eat. steak now you don't need to eat a ton of. liver a little bit goes a long way but. we don't do this anymore I didn't grow. up I had liver worth growing up but not. a ton and so I think it's important and. humans do much better when they have.

organs even a little bit of organs every. day in connection with their muscle meat. and most people won't eat organs fresh. or cooked so one of the companies I. built was hardened soil which just makes. the organ capsules but fresh organs are. better if you want to try it if you ever. eaten a testicle I have you have yeah I. brought yeah I grew up in a farm town. man yeah you know we used to have this. thing called I can't even believe I'm. bringing this up there was a family that. owned like I don't know the majority of. the land in the county that I kind of. grew up in and uh they were hog farmers.

and so they would have every winter they. would have the the testicle Festival. that's amazing and uh yeah that was that. was that was the thing I mean mostly. everybody just got hammered but uh but. uh out the fields and in the barn and. but yeah they would have this thing. called the the the annual testical. Festival so yes I have had it and then. I'm I'm sure my trips overseas I've had. them and not even known it but yeah you. know why waste the organs you know it's.

it's Unique nutrition and what's. interesting about organs specifically. I'll just say this is that when you eat. an organ raw or Freez dried there seem. to be unique nutritional benefits for. humans probably beyond the vitamins and. minerals and this is really cool because. you can eat a liver and I can say or you. can eat some liver whether it's cooked. on a grill or a piece of Raw Liver or. something and I say yeah Sean that's. good for you because it has vitamin A. which is bioavailable it has choline it.

has biotin it has folate it has zinc it. has copper it has selenium has manganese. and then it has peptides which are these. short you know protein fragments that. probably pass through the human gut the. very small ones appear to pass through. the human gut and can have roles in the. human body even across species but. there's also something in organs called. micr RNA and so there's an interesting. field of research now about how of these. micro rnas which is different than. messenger RNA these micr rnas probably. provide a blueprint from our cells and. especially the cells of the.

corresponding organ that might help. repair when our organs are damaged so. this is the really fascinating premise. around eating organs and there's a lot. of research about this from Germany from. the 1950s and 60s that my team found but. there is evidence in animal models that. when you provide either an intravenous. injection of an organ or you provide. like you put a little piece of liver on. an embryo that's developing the. corresponding organ. uh gets bigger so and you can give an.

injection of radiol labeled liver to an. animal and you see the radioactivity. accumulate in this corresponding organ. so there's something going on here the. idea that organs could support the. corresponding organ is really exciting. because you think about people who have. you know low testosterone or rectile. dysfunction or women that have PCOS. which is a hormonal issue for women or. dementia and organ therapy I think is. something that's I really hope that we. can do more research on this and really. show the potential of benefit to people.

that we've never thought about in. Western medicine it's something that. happens in these indigenous tribes. people often eat the corresponding organ. but we've lost this knowledge as. historically as humans yeah what do you. think derailed the research on the. organs I think that most research today. is funded by. Pharma and we can talk about the NIH and. how many researchers at the National. Institutes of Health have ties to Pharma. I believe it's over. 8,000 and and the majority of research.

that's taught in medical school the. majority of research that comes out of. the NIH is funded by Pharma this gets. back to the FDA the Food and Drug. Administration and the USDA and so who. benefits right there's no liver Lobby to. talk to Congress and there's no one to. fund these studies um our my this. company hard and soil and the nonprofit. that I built will hopefully be funding. some studies to try and ask these. questions and get some more interesting. answers in 2024 relative to the 1950 and. 19 60 studies but these are not the.

studies that have been done there hasn't. been a lot of good nutritional research. done in the last 100 years there's a. little bit but most of it is really. tricky to do I was going to ask you. sometimes it gets a little too. conspiratorial for people to talk about. but it seems like it went off the rails. back with was it the Rockefeller family. back in the early 1900s very potentially. with the flexner report it's it's. possible yeah that you know allopathic. medicine I mean that's that's the that's. a hypothesis that. potentially The Rockefellers were.

interested in the petroleum derived. Pharmaceuticals and so they wanted to. support the pharmaceutical industry I'm. not sure how much historical. corroboration there is for that but. there certainly was a document published. called the flexner report I believe in. the early 1900s that that denigrated. alip that denigrated alternative. medicine anything that wasn't alpath so. I went what Al apathic that's the. traditional medicine so I'm an MD I went. to an alpath Medical School the. University of Arizona did my residency. at the University of Washington. allopathic medicine is what you think of.

when you think of a doctor who you go to. an office and you see them in the office. that's an MD that's allopathic medicine. okay Do's also practice alpath medicine. and everything else since the flexer. report has been turned alternative. medicine and yes there are um good. doctors in alpath medicine and there are. doctors that don't really do such a. great job in alpath medicine just like. there are good and bad doctors and in. the alternative world but to suggest. that there are no valuable ideas or. interventions outside of what alpath.

medicine offers us as humans is pretty. ridiculous but that's really been the. position of um the mainstream is to just. push all the alternative ideas even. calling them alternative ideas is. pejorative yeah yeah you know I'm I'm. this isn't a gotcha question but I am. you know you've embeded with these. indigenous tribes I've been all over the. world I'm not saying I embedded embedded. with indigenous tribes but you know the.

the we just we just talked before the. interview all the places that I've been. to you know from from my prior career. with the agency and and SEAL Teams and. da d d d da but you know a lot of those. you know a lot of people in Afghanistan. for example you know they live now I. wouldn't say they live clean you know. they're burning tires to keep warm in. the winter but you know the life. expectancy is like I think it's like. late 30s early 40s yeah what is the life. expectancy of the tribe that you. embedded with so this is a super.

interesting question so the. hza and I would say across the board. when it comes to hunter gatherers and. really you see this pattern in in. indigenous cultures across the the world. they have high rates of maternal and. infant. mortality and that means that there are. higher rates of kids dying and mothers. dying in child birth but if you average. it across the lifespan that brings down. their total life expectancy because the. infant mortality and maternal mortality.

is so high but that's not related to. chronic illness right that's being a. child or a mother in the wild giving. birth in the wild is sometimes dangerous. when I was with the hza at their Camp. there are two to three-year-olds just. wandering around uh uh you could step on. a rock or fall off a rock they were. climbing over rocks snakes wild animals. can just come into camp and take them um. it's you know there are times that these. tribes go through periods of scarcity.

which can affect immune function and can. lead to infections which are hard to. treat for them but if you look at the. life expectancy of a hodza hunter. gatherer or an a kisan hunter gatherer. there are only a few tribes remaining on. the earth that are true hunter gatherers. theam mono in um South America have some. um uh some hunter gatherer members uh if. you look at their life expectancy if. they reach teenage years it's the same. as ours. okay and their health span is better we.

call this squaring of the morbidity. curve meaning that if you took a. 65-year-old Hoda hunter gatherer and you. put that individual up against the. average 65y old American in any. competition of running climbing trees. shooting bows and arrows doesn't even. have to be a skill-based competition um. the hodza tribe member would destroy us. they do not suffer chronic disease the. way that we do in Western Society we. have this sort of inexorable March.

toward decrepitude meaning that and we. can talk about the statistics obesity. rates diabetes autoimmunity even. childhood um you know chronic illness is. rising so we know that as westernized. Americans even though we are average. life expectancy may be 76 77 I forget. where exactly it is many of us suffer. with limitations in our quality of life. from 30 to 40 years old till the end of. our life and Western medicine can Keep. Us Alive but how vital are we what is. our health span how many 60-year-olds.

out there who can run 5 miles or 10. miles or climb a tree hand over hand. with the balance needed to do that or. have strong enough grip strength to hang. on a tree branch and do an actual pullup. or can pull a bow back and the Hoda make. the bows themselves right who could pull. a bow back with their shoulder muscles. and their back muscles right who have. the vision to see animals in nature like. they have the they don't have macular. degeneration so these hunter gatherer. tribes do not suffer chronic disease and. that discordance is something that was.

never taught to me in medical school but. it's so fascinating right what are they. doing differently than us that allows. them to live so well while they're alive. because most of us want to live long but. we also want to live well we don't want. to have back pain or shoulder pain that. limit us from picking up our children or. our grandchildren we I want to be able. to Surf until I'm 80 90 years old it's. my favorite thing to do in the world. it's to much fun right this is what we. want hunter gatherers have it we really.

don't As westernized Americans and that. statistic around life expectancy is. skewed by higher rates of it's dangerous. to be a human in the wild type of things. yeah but that's a great question makes. sense couple more so um man I love this. interview already man but um so one one. thing before we get too far in the weed. which we already in uh I have a patreon.

account there are it's a subscription. account there're are top supporters. they've been with us since the beginning. and um I wouldn't be sitting here and. neither would you without them so uh so. one thing I offer them is I offer them. every guest they get to ask at least one. question yeah I love it and uh you had a. ton of good questions but this one's. from Daniel. Walcott Dr saladino considering the. numerous additives and preservatives. that large corporations are.

incorporating into the meats available. at grocery stores are there specific. types of meat or food groups that you. would recommend we. avoid processed meat is not the same as. a steak I'm a huge fan of single. ingredient Foods so it's meat right it's. a steak it's a New York steak right it's. ground beef there are no additives there. are no preservatives there's no food. dieses so single ingredient of foods. it's a chicken breast right it's eggs um.

I think that that is one of the greatest. and most powerful metrics that you can. use to easily make food choices that. will increase your health so this is a. really astute question because you go to. a grocery store and you think I can buy. ground hamburger or I can buy a hot dog. and these are not the same thing M. because the hot dog has nitrates and the. hot dog has preservatives or lower. Quality Meat and because because of the. lower Quality Meat and the way it's. processed in the factory it likely has.

more microplastics potentially. contaminated with pesticides so food. quality. matters and single ingredient foods are. King so when you go to the grocery store. and you're looking for meat you just. want to buy meat you don't want to buy I. mean preferably you don't want to buy. hot dogs or sausages or torizo right or. any of these ingredient containing foods. so when it comes to food choices the. metric that I think is easiest for. people at the first level because I want.

to give people sort of an on-ramp so the. first metric that I would use in the. grocery store and we'll drill down on. this if people have autoimmune. conditions you can get much more. specific and intentional about food. choices but the first metric that I. would use if you want to lose weight be. healthy reverse autoimmune disease have. more libido sleep better think more. clearly is try to make the majority of. your diet single ingredient foods from. both plant and animal which means by. meat chicken fish pork beef bison elk.

whatever eggs milk these are all single. ingredient animal foods and then eat. single ingredient plant Foods if you. want to eat vegetables that's fine we. can talk about where I think vegetables. could cause some people to go off track. with autoimmune conditions but that's. further down right the rabbit hole but. if you eat fruit and vegetables that are. single ingredient foods and you eat. animal foods that are single ingredient. Foods you are going to get healthier. it's very difficult to not be healthy or.

to improve your health it's very. difficult not to improve your health if. you do that if you want to eat foods. that have a label because those meat. sticks I handed you have a label you. read the label and you want to look for. foods that your great-grandmother would. recognize all of the ingredients so for. instance on those meat sticks I handed. you the first ingredient is grass-fed. beef after that is organs which is heart. and liver after that is vinegar and then. salt and then a collagen casing that's. it so your great grandmother would know. what all of those things are she might. not know what collagen is but collagen.

is from the intestines of an animal. which she would recognize you know and. so the jerky that we make is grass-fed. beef vinegar and salt and there there. are foods that are in packages in a. grocery store where your grandmother. would recognize the. ingredients we can talk about bread a. little bit the grains that we're using. now are different than they used to be. and I don't eat bread for a variety of. reasons but if you want to do bread with. this rule you could eat a bread that was. just flour water salt that's what should. be in bread right but you go to.

McDonald's and the bun of a Big Mac has. I think it's about 55 ingredients in the. in the bun and this is where it creeps. in you think that's just bread right my. grandmother would that's bread no no. your grandmother wouldn't wouldn't. recognize azodicarbonamide and dimethyl. poly soloxine and the four different. seed oils including hydrogenated soybean. oil which are in the bun at McDonald's. so single ingredient Foods or simple.

ingredient Foods is the way to start. when you're making food choices okay how. I mean how. poisoned a lot of talk about hormones. and the meats and all this kind of stuff. how how poisoned is the is the beef. poultry pork section fish section you. know you can't even find wild caught. salmon you have to order it online right. yeah so every one of those is a little. bit I'll I'll talk about each of them. ually let's start with fish so you point.

this out correctly when you go and I've. done a lot of videos on this when you go. to Costco or wherever you buy fish there. is no such thing as wild Atlantic salmon. all Atlantic salmon is farm raised M and. they'll say Atlantic salmon and then. it'll say small letters farm raised and. most of us have heard that farm raised. fish is much worse than wild caught fish. because it has pcbs which are. polychlorinated by fennels and they're. feeding these fish fish food they're. feeding them basically the equivalent of.

a Big Mac is what they're feeding the. fish in the tank that are farmers right. it's and there are parallels across all. the species um I have a dog and I feed. my dog raw meat raw organs and. Bone I I always get a little sad when I. see people feeding their dogs kibble and. again this is no judgment if people feed. their dogs kibble I understand that. there are Financial limitations and not. everyone is going to feed their dog just. raw raw animal foods but there are. better and worse types of Kibbles the. majority majority of kibble for dogs is. full of seed oils and really badly.

processed grains full of pesticides well. essentially what they're feeding the. lowest quality kibble that you're. feeding to a dog is what they're feeding. to fish give or take so you're feeding. your fish kibble uh in a in a farm ra. salmon operation and the fish are just. less healthy they accumulate pesticides. Pharmaceuticals contaminants. microplastics um and pcbs and so Farm. race fish is not something that humans. should be eating most people don't know. this but every time I talk about it it. gets a lot of Engagement Farm R salmon.

has coloring added and sometimes they. use beta katene which is a natural. coloring but those farm raay salmon are. not getting um the nutrients necessary. to make things like asanin which gives. fish its normal pink color in the wild. because they're not eating algae they. have to give the fish extra color so. farm salmon would be the color of. tilapia or Cass it would be white holy. if you didn't feed it more coloring. and so don't don't eat farm-raised. fish but even when it comes to Wild Fish.

you have to realize that large wild fish. shark uh some of the big Tunas swordfish. are very highly contaminated with heavy. metals such that in medicine if if a. woman is pregnant we say don't don't eat. that in your pregnancy it has a lot of. mercury what are those fish again sord. the biggest one swordfish shark and some. of the big Tunas even Mahi pretty high. the bigger the fish the higher it is up. the food chain and the more it. accumulates heavy metals the smaller.

fish have less heavy metals but they. still have significant amounts there are. documented cases of mercury poisoning. from eating sushi and you know Sushi. could be a mix of salmon plus tuna but. if you ate tuna every day you would. unequivocally see the levels of heavy. metals uh mostly Mercury but also. cadmium Arsenic and lead in your body go. up just geometrically. so this is the problem and and some tuna.

better than other Tunas but tuna is such. a big fish that it just has a lot of. heavy metals and this probably wasn't an. issue for fish two to 300 years ago we. have this industrial cycle where we put. these pollutants into the air and then. they go into the ocean and they bio. accumulate in the food chain and we've. done this to the ocean we've created. this problem of pollution in the ocean. with fish even wild caught fish has a. significant amount of microplastics. microplastics are things there's little. tiny tiny fragments of plastic that hold.

on to because they're plastic they kind. of um magnetize quote unquote they they. they get stuck to other chemicals. whether it's organic chemicals other. pesticides so microplastics themselves. are these microscopic or Nano type siiz. Plastics and we think about this in. terms of like plastic water bottles but. plastic cutting boards um our biggest. exposures are probably those but fish is. quite high in microplastics and you know. that done studies now showing that there. are microplastics in all of us there are.

microplastics in human testicles in. human brains there is a an appreciable. amount of microplastic in all of our. brains uh you know in terms of like it's. not even micrograms it's Mill like I. think the actual number is milligram. there like I'd have to look at the. number it might be half a milligram of. microplastic in all of our brains and. this is just from things that we're. eating in our bodies bringing into our. bodies so fish have microplastics even. wild CAU they have heavy metals they. have um forever chemicals which are.

called pfas we've been hearing a lot. about these um and so I would not. recommend that people make the majority. of their protein from fish we'll get to. it in this interview because we'll we'll. talk about why red meat has become so. vilified I think that well- raised red. meat is my preference for protein source. for humans but that's the one that gets. the most hate right because it has more. saturated fat and we'll talk about why. that is but a lot of people trying to be. healthy don't red meat and they eat fish. thinking that fish is healthier but you.

are accumulating heavy metals. microplastics forever chemicals Etc when. you are eating fish every day so you. must check that and there are many of. high-profile cases of people getting. heavy metal toxicity from pescetarian. diets Tony Robbins is a good example of. this so that's the sort of dismal. outlook on fish pork and chicken are. grouped together these are monogastric. animals so in contrast to ruminant. animals so elk bison deer analou cows.

those are ruminants pigs and chicken are. monogastric animals humans are also. monogastric and that will be relevant. later when we talk about seed oils but. monogastric animals are problematic. because they accumulate polyunsaturated. fats and a pig or a chicken is not meant. to eat a lot of corn and soy but that's. most of what they're fed today so most. of the big operations around chicken. even eggs for chickens and Pork pigs are.

feeding them grains which are corn and. soy and so you can see historically and. there's actual research done about this. that the fatty acid composition of these. animals changes based on what they eat. it does the same for humans we can see. derivatives of seed oils accumulating in. human fat over the last 80 years because. we're eating more of these seed oils. which come from corn and soy and so the. fat of a chicken. doesn't look like the fat of an. ancestral wild chicken the amount of.

linolic acid which is an 18 carbon. polyunsaturated fat is much higher in a. chicken fed corn and soy than it would. be in a chicken eating what a chicken is. supposed to eat which is bugs and worms. and maybe a mouse every once in a while. in the in the field chickens are pretty. omnivorous and pigs are the same way. pigs root they're supposed to eat they. will eat small animals too and they're. supposed to eat you know tu fs and. things but when you feed a pig corn and. soy the fat of the pig changes.

composition and these grains that most. chickens and pigs are fed are not. organic and so you're getting. bioaccumulation of pesticides so you're. getting glyphosate I'm not saying that. we shouldn't eat chicken and pork I'm. just making a case for maybe a hierarchy. of quality if you're going to eat. chicken and pork look for something. that's pastured from a farmer that you. know I don't want perfect to be the. enemy of good for anyone but there are. considerations for each of these meats. as we go up as we go along the food.

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amac.us SRS Let's help protect what's. ours paid for by the Association of. mature American. citizens and when we talk about seed. oils we will talk about why I think. excess linolic acid is a problem for. humans it's a little technical so I'll. save it for this moment but we'll get to. it um but if you're going to eat pork. which is delicious and does have. nutrients that are good for humans and. many cultures eat pigs or chicken try. and get something that's organic so that.

means the grains they're feeding the. animals are organic so you're not. getting as much pesticide contamination. even better get it from a farmer to. Farmers Market that is letting their. animals kind of go more pastured in the. settings and then you have beef bison. elk let's call it red meat lamb so. what's interesting about these animals. is there is a growing sector of the. farming Market that agriculture Market. where you you can buy a grass-fed cow. grass-fed grass finish ruminant animals.

are supposed to eat grass their whole. life that's what they do in fact I think. there were surveys done in the 1800s. that looked at the United States and. there were something like over 50. million ruminants in the United States. so elk analo Pronghorn bison that's what. made sort of the American West and why. that land was so fertile we've. monocropped it and decreased the quality. of the soil but the reason the American. West West of you know Louisiana and the. Mississippi was so fertile was because.

these animals were eating grass and. pooping and peeing on the land and then. stomping and putting all these nutrients. from their poop into the land which. makes a healthy soil and that makes a. healthy grass and it just is part of. this grassland ecosystem so these. animals are meant to eat grass and cows. are kind of a cousin of. bison and when a cow eats grass you can. see the difference in the stakes I've. done this in my content you can see the. color of the fat and the color of the. meat is different the fat of an animal. that eats grass its whole life is much.

more orange because of the beta carotene. and other carotenoids in the grass that. it's easing a grain-fed cow has very. white fat and to be fair a lot of. grain-fed cattle are actually grain. finished most of their life they're. eating grass but the last 15% they're. taken to a feed lot where they're given. lower quality grains and it makes them. fat and then the farmers can get more uh. money for them because they're a bigger. animal and they sell them by the pound. okay so ideally and again don't let. perfect be the enemy of good any red.

meat is healthy for humans and provides. benefits for us and it's full of. nutrients but ideally if you can Source. or find or afford a grass-fed grass. finished meat like a grass-fed hamburger. or steak it's going to be more full of. nutrients and less full of problematic. things that come with the grains again. you're having pesticide accumulation in. the meat microplastics pfas all that. kind of stuff comes when they're fed. grains at the end of their life it's not. the end of the world and I've eaten.

grain-fed great finished meat you know. and some people prefer it because of the. taste but I do think there's a pretty. solid case that a grass-fed. grass-finished cow is the closest thing. that most people will get to eating a. wild animal Wild game is probably one of. the healthiest things we can eat. depending where it's ranging right an. animal that's eating what it's supposed. to eat and this applies to humans also. is going to be a healthier animal and. all of us are different species but. there is I think in all of us a genetic. programming in terms of what we are.

meant to eat humans are the only species. that's kind of Forgotten this because. we've become so separated from the. actual Gathering and hunting of our food. so we don't know what we're supposed to. eat so when we go to the store and it. says. grass-fed beef mhm can we trust that or. does that mean hey this was fed grass. the first six months of its life and. then and then grain the this the way the. labeling is now if it says grass-fed. it's it really should be fed grass its.

whole life mhm there's an asterisk there. because some farmers can get away with. this by feeding hay which is not fresh. grass on a field or even grass pellets. so there's there was a a picture or a. video that went around the internet. recently of cows indoors getting fed. grass and it that is grass-fed it's not. ideal but it's better than a grain-fed. cow on a a a clustered or concentrated. feeding animal operations so a Kayo or a. factory farm so grass-feeding is better.

and again and this is it's it's. unfortunate that it's become so arduous. for humans to have to really understand. the quality of their meat but if you see. the cows that you're eating and you're. talking to a farmer that's the best. thing I know it's not possible for. everyone listening to the podcast but if. you can understand the quality of your. meat and where it's coming from and how. it's raised that's better so. grass-feeding and grass finishing. ideally should be cows on pasture. Outdoors you know pooping and peeing in.

the land because that's also better for. the land that's the way it should be if. it says grassfed in the store it it. really is meant unless the farmer is. being totally duplicitous it should be. fed grass its whole life there's an. interesting little sidebar here and I. will call Whole Foods out for this and. I've done content on this there is me at. Whole Foods that says. grassfed or grass finished and there's. meat at Whole Foods that says pasture. raced and so that that pasture raise. designation does not mean the cow is. eating grass its whole life okay and you.

can ask The Butchers at at Whole Foods. and they will be forthcoming with you. and say it was on pasture and then it. was fed grains at the end of its life so. that's where it gets confusing for. consumers because pasture raised yeah. sounds pretty good to me yeah but that's. not a grass finished cow and do I think. that eating grain-fed meat is bad for. humans no I think that eating grass-fed. grass-finished meat is better for humans. and better for the ecosystem in which. the cow is raised. where do you I mean where do you where. do you get all your food in Costa Rica.

yeah so there's farmers markets where I. live there are three farmers markets a. week and I can talk to the farmers and I. can say is this organic you. know um I mean I think the I think the. challenge with Americans I mean you're. an entrepreneur so you get it you're a. podcaster you go on other podcasts you. have all your different companies with. your with your with your um your bead. stick your jerkies your protein powder. whatever else you have I mean it's time.

it's time and so and. I'm my time it's like every minute of. the day is accounted for yeah and so. tell it going to the going to the. groceries or going to the farmers market. and having conversations with the. farmers and it's just not ideal plus I. have two plus I have kids plus I have a. wife you know what I mean and so it's it. becomes a challenge you know what I'm. you know what I mean and so I think I. think there's there's definitely a.

movement in America right now everybody. is kind of on to the FDA and and the. Health Care system and NIH and the Maha. movement has exploded and but I don't. think anybody really knows like where. the hell to go I mean I live out in the. woods and so I mean we do have some. relationships with different farmers and. we try to source as much as possible uh. from from. um local shops that are that are on the.

farm stuff like that but I mean for. people that live people that live in the. city especially somewhere like I don't. know La New York Austin I mean um. Nashville they don't they don't have. time to venture out you know an hour and. a half out of town to go to a local. farmers market no so what do what do. what do we do I think you do the best. you can with the the opportunities. you're given so for instance in Austin.

which might be a little easier than it's. not exactly a food desert there are. Whole Foods in Austin there's Central. Market in Austin which is Whole Foods. good Whole Foods is the one that's owned. by Amazon I know but it's better than. like a regular Safeway I think right I'm. just using it as an example Whole Foods. is okay I'd give Whole Foods like mid. rating okay three out of five maybe five. out oh yeah three out of five I was. going to say five out of 10 yeah Whole. Foods is probably three out of five but. look look a lot of things we're going to. talk about in this podcast are going to. seem overwhelming for people I just want.

to provide information my goal is just. to provide information that's as. digestible and usable and I don't want. perfect to be the enemy of good so yes. the ideal thing is meet farmers in your. area go to Farmers if you can't do that. you don't have time I do think that the. return on investment the ROI on going to. a grocery store and cooking your own. food is massive for most of us and if if. someone can afford to have an assistant. go shop for them or to have a chef great. that's probably a 0.1% right of all of.

us who can afford that but I think all. of us need to understand that life is. about choices and it's about and I see. this as an entrepreneur now you know I'm. nutritionally trained doctor but now I. think about Roi like you I think what's. the best use of my time what is the. return on investment and I know for me. that spending 2 hours surfing in the. morning I could be working quote unquote. but the return on that investment is. massive in terms of my happiness and my. health and my ability to show up. hopefully to podcast like this and be be.

eloquent and provide value and I would. say similarly going to a grocery store. and buying your food and cooking it for. yourself that is one of the best rois I. think that is available for humans hands. down I mean it's not a financial return. on investment but in terms of your. health which is an indirect Financial. you know cost later if like you must it. is very very difficult if you do not. procure hunting and Gathering today. happens in grocery stores you must do.

your own hunting and Gathering today and. you must cook your own food if you don't. do those things the majority of the time. you don't have to do it 100% of the time. it's going to be difficult to be. optimally healthy and your health will. suffer this is why I created things like. lineage right here's a snack that I've. created something that I would eat the. highest quality standards that we can. Source anywhere in the world right so. there are things that can make it easier. but you still you I wouldn't want you to. live on lineage meat sticks right you. you could do it for a little while but. it's kind of like a ration right like I.

want you to eat a hamburger sometimes. and to eat some fruit maybe some. vegetables if they don't bother your. immune system so I think that. understanding where you can find the. best meat and plant Foods close to you. that's a good thing you need to know. your terrain and there are food deserts. in the in in the United States where. it's not easy to even go to those places. it's not e easy to find a grocery store. but I mean I've done content where I'll. go into a 7eleven or a gas station and. say even in here there are better and. worse choices you know even in a gas.

station you can find the best jerky it's. not going to be an ideal jerky it might. have nitrates but look it's better than. eating probably the hot dog over there. or it's better than eating the slurpy at. 7-Eleven and a lot of gas stations have. fruit it's not organic fruit but they do. have fruit they have cheese they have. more of these single ingredient simple. food so you just do the best you can. with what you're given and even a safe. way now I've done I've done content at. Walmart you know you can go to any. Walmart in the country now or I would.

say I can't say any in the country. because I haven't been to like every. every one of them but I've been to. Walmarts in Texas Walmarts in California. Walmarts in Virginia Walmarts in Florida. they all have grass-fed beef now you. don't have to spend money on grassfed. beef but every Walmart has beef single. ingredient beef and every Walmart that. I've ever been to has fruit and. vegetables and again it doesn't have to. be organic if you can't find it but. doing that that's the that's that's the. hugest step function for humans what's. what's the highest quality grocery.

store out there that's that's that's a. chain Fresh Market is Fresh Market good. is that here in in don't tell me Fresh. Market's bad it's probably great you've. not been to a fresh market I I feel like. I may have but I don't we don't have. those in Texas or other places I've been. maybe there's one across where I from. where I'm staying in Miami we had them. in Florida I don't mind Sprouts you know. Sprouts I don't mind Sprouts like. Sprouts isn't B it's not fancy but I. often go to Sprouts I can get grass-fed.

meat that looks good um sometimes the. grassfed meat at Whole Foods looks. better than Sprouts um and I can get. organic produce with sprouts and they. have good honey when I go to the grocery. store I buy grass-fed meat I usually. have to bring organs with me either in. capsule form none of these grocery. stores have liver although actually. Sprouts does sell liver sometimes okay. I'll buy meat I'll buy um a cheese like. a raw cheese I'll buy fruit I'll buy. honey I'll bu squash that's what I get. at the grocery store and I can get that.

I can get pretty good at I mean I went. to Sprouts last night when I got in. Nashville oh good yeah good interesting. are you a hunter I do I hunt with a bow. and I've hunted with a rifle once just. once rifle once okay bow three times do. you hunt in Costa Rica or you out there. killing Hal monkeys it's not legal to. hunt in Costa Rica but I have so many. howler monkeys by my house that every. morning and every night I'll send you a. video the next I'm going back to Costa. Rica next week you hear. this it's like that there sounds like a.

lion it sounds like a a dog and a lion. mixed that's every morning and every. night it just it makes me so. happy I have a video on my phone I can. show you there's these jungle sounds you. know yeah yeah yeah I remember my first. encounter with them we were in we were. in a doing op down in Panama and uh. totally got compromised because the H. monkey started screaming at us and. anyways then they know exactly where you. are but that's that's the jungle right.

yeah it's so I love it man I love I love. being in the jungle it's amazing it's uh. yeah you're getting me all fired up. about Costa Rica now I'm going to go. home and tell my wife about it I can't. wait vacation I'm excited for you guys. but um well what I. mean American Health is what probably. some of the worst in the world would you. say it's pretty bad there there are. metric that rank our health and I think. that we spend the most if not top three.

in the world on Healthcare I think in. 2024 or 2023 it was 4.3 trillion was the. number that we spent on Healthcare but. our Healthcare outcomes I think we're. like 65th or something in the world give. or take so there's a huge discordance I. mean more than 70% of Americans are. overweight or obese and over 11% have. diabetes it's a crisis that's spiraling. and I would say out of control the. diabetes number is much higher than that. even I would say you think so yeah.

that's formally diagnosed diabetes but. there are other studies that have been. done looking at this Continuum and this. is what western medicine really misses. when they're when we're talking to. patients and when we are taught as. doctors to think about this diabetes is. a Continuum and the reason this is so. important to talk about is because. metabolic dysfunction also known as. insulin resistance is that Continuum and. that pass pathology underlies I would. say 90 plus% of chronic illness and this.

is not hyperbole the majority of chronic. illness that we suffer from As Americans. today is based in insulin resistance. also known as metabolic dysfunction and. 90% of our healthare costs are related. to chronic illness something that is. preventable and reversible with the. quality of our diet and how we live this. is what the hodza don't have this is. what Native Americans did not have. historically so I'll tell you this story. this is prettyy interesting I went to. medical school in Tucson Arizona at the.

University of. Arizona the Puma Indians are around. Tucson Arizona so I went and visited. Puma Indian reservations when I was in. medical school the Puma Indians are some. of the sickest people in the world today. the rates of obesity and diabetes are. over 80 to. 90% 80 to9 like what okay and. so 200 years ago rates obesity and. diabetes were less than 1% in the Puma. Indian tribe this tribe of Native.

Americans has genetics that are uniquely. susceptible to the environment that they. find themselves in now Ultra processed. foods we can talk about certain things. but 200 years ago there are pictures. online of Puma Indians from 1860 right. they're fit they have sixpack they're. they look like healthy they're healthy. humans but they have a uniquely. susceptible genetic makeup to becoming. insulin resistant and so what happened. when the P Indians had this explosion of.

um you know chronic illness after we. gave them supermarkets full of Cheetos. and Fritos and Takis and alcohol is the. NIH sent researchers to draw their blood. to see what kind of genetics they have. that make them susceptible to this. chronic illness we never thought oh. maybe it's we just poisoned them right. the the the cause of their illness is. black and white it's absolutely black. and white and yet not once in medical. school did this come up never once was I. taught to think about this or challenged.

to think about this from a professor. saying what do you think about the Puma. Indians how do we help them like the way. to help the Puma Indians is to educate. them maybe provide um you know subsidies. or something for them to buy single. ingredient foods but I would be willing. to bet a large amount of money that if. you gave the Puma Indians the foods that. they ate 200 years ago they would become. healthier and we've seen this there have. been research stud done on this it's. done with Aborigines uh I forget exactly. what lineage it was in Australia the.

same thing happens with these indigenous. people all over the world when they eat. westernized foods which are full of seed. oils refined grains processed sugars. pesticides food dies they become ill and. the same thing is happening to. westernized humans and so when you look. at this Continuum of insulin. resistance multiple studies estimate. that as Americans 86 to 93% of us 86 693. have at least one metric that puts us on. that Continuum so diabetes is the end.

stage but I would say more than 85% of. Americans are on the road to diabetes. and this is the problem and again I. would my my my assertion here very. strongly would be it's not hard to get. off that train right it's what we eat. and how we. live majority of it is what we and how. we live very very rarely there's a. genetic mutation poly orphism that is. unavoidable this is less than 1% of. humans most of us are very sick and.

we're sick because of how we're living. and eating and because these foods are. sold to us now and then when you go to. see a doctor I was never taught to ask. people about what they're eating in. medical school I was never given a. single nutrition course I was taught. what drugs to prescribe for what illness. that was what's on my boards right so. the step one the step two the step three. this is what determines. a doctor's success in life it means what. specialty you can go into what residency.

how prestigious you can go how far you. can go in medicine or your boards. there's not a single question on the. board exam I mean I think every board. exam is I forget how many questions it. might be 1500 questions you know. thousands of questions that I answered. over the course of my medical career to. become a licensed medical doctor I don't. remember a single question about. nutrition because we were never taught. that it's not it's not what we're held. up to think about it's pretty a lot. yeah so that's just the crazy standard. that we find ourselves in but it's. important to understand that yeah like.

diabetes maybe formally diagnosed. 11% the number like the number of people. going to become diabetic much much. higher because if 70% of Americans are. obese and overweight and those are two. different categories of BMI body mass. index I would argue that almost everyone. if not every single person who is obese. or overweight has some degree of insulin. resistance and this is metabolic. dysfunction and at a cellular level this. means that you can't take the food you.

eat and convert it into usable energy in. your human body that happens through. your mitochondria so mitochondria are. these little cellular organel that are. in almost every cell of our body red. blood cells don't have mitochondria but. everything else has mitochondria and so. this is where the energy gets made for. everything we do in our life human life. runs because of the movement of. electrons and the food that we're eating. is electrons essentially and those. electrons are passed in onto.

intermediates which move the electrons. uh into the electron transport chain in. the mitochondria so that's very very. microscopic and this is you know when. you eat um let's say you eat an apple or. you eat a steak that steak is giving you. nutrients it's giving you vitamins and. minerals you're getting protein you're. getting amino acids and in the steak. you're getting mostly protein which. doesn't end us up as an energy substrate. but there's fat in the steak so fat is. broken down to create these energy. substrates and if you eat an apple. you're getting glucose and fructose and.

sucrose if you eat a potato you're. getting um longchain uh Polymers of. glucose like starches and that is energy. to your body and the way that happens is. that gets broken down into um little. smaller fragments and those fragments. donate electrons to molecules like nadh. and fadh2 which move those electrons to. this electron transport chain and that. electron transport chain in your. mitochondria is where everything happens. because as the electrons move down the. chain you create a potential and.

hydrogen so protons move across the in. mitochondrial membrane I know we're very. microscopic now I'll zoom out in a. second protons move across the inner. mitochondrial membrane and then at the. end of the mitochondrial membrane they. move down a concentration gradient. through this little Nano motor that. makes ATP and ATP runs everything in. your body that's the energy currency of. your body that is the sort of dollars. and cents of your body that your body. spends on creating hormones proteins. cellular membrane repairing things.

making DNA you need energy to live but. that process of energy creation is. impaired by the foods we eat and that is. what insulin resistance metabolic. dysfunction look like at a molecular. level so our actual the engine of our. car is being broken by the fuel we're. putting in it man it sounds like just a. little education could uh reverse this. entire epidemic it would go a long way. and we probably need bottom up and top. down and top down I mean maybe.

governmental. regulation of things that are frankly. poisonous for humans and the bottom up. is mostly what I do uh now maybe I'll. get to be involved in the Maha movement. and and help RFK with some of this Maha. stuff but we'll see and but the. education helps people wake up there's a. really sad thing I'll tell you that. there are these places I mentioned this. earlier there are these places in the. United States called food desert where. it's difficult for people to actually. access single ingredient Foods or they. have to go a certain number of miles to.

get to an actual grocery store and there. are grocery stores these are very rural. poor communities you know if you're. driving across the country you're going. to encounter these and there are grocery. stores there are places in the states. where it's it's difficult to find you. know actual meat or fruits and. vegetables but most of the food deserts. are food deserts by choice which is. really sad that people in these. communities haven't been educated don't. understand have really been I would say. addicted to processed food which is very. addictive and grocery stores or Corner.

markets in these places in the past may. have carried fruit and vegetables but. nobody bought them and they rot on the. shelf and so they become a food desert. by consumer choice so that's scary and. that actually is a testament a very. Sinister Testament to how addictive some. of these Ultra processed foods are that. if you provide a choice in some of the. poorest communities in America between a. Snickers bar and. Doritos and let's say an apple or a.

banana or an orange most people are. going to choose the Snickers bar and the. Doritos and that is a problem so what do. we do there that's that's a good. question and let me I'll mention this. because it's relevant so in these. poorest communities snap which is food. stamps so supplemental nutrition. assistance program is used significantly. so at a governmental level I think we. could help things by not allowing food. stamps to be able to be used to buy junk. food so I think it's the food stamp.

budget I think is 112 or 15 billion. dollar a year that goes out to people 70. plus% of that gets used by people on. junk. food what that that's the problem right. that I think fixes a big part of this if. you disallow the use of food stamps for. junk food you make you make a big step. in the right direction now the argument. on the other side is that that is.

classist racist or elitist because these. people don't have access to Foods right. but the reason they don't have access is. because they've made choices because. they don't want those Foods so it's some. combination I think of governmental. programming change and actual education. of people in these communities. potentially bringing them the Good Foods. the other thing I'll say about food. stamps which is crazy is that 10% of. those food stamps gets used on soda. you cannot make an argument to me that. Coca-Cola and other sodas have any.

redeeming quality in human health yeah. and 10% of food stamps go toward that so. at a governmental level a to down level. more surpris more right so I think. education could help and I think that. there's a lot of double standards and of. course the reason that the reason for. that is because Coca-Cola lobbies right. well that's what I was going to say I. mean I love what you're saying about you. know that that maybe the government. should step in and and and only allow. but I mean how are you going to get past. the lobbyists that are paying. politicians and and news organizations.

the market the the that's racist that's. you know what I mean I mean because. that's what that all stems from correct. is is the lobbyist and so yeah to me it. seems like the only real explanation is. is to educate everybody on hey I mean. the marketing I mean there's a I just. watched a documentary about half of it. the other day Amazon was a big part of. it Apple was a big part of it how how. the pollution is is is is kind of you.

know he was talking about everything it. was talking about how the iPhones are. you know designed to only last for a. certain amount of time and then you get. the new one and it shows how they. dispose the iPhones and the computers. and how Amazon does their marketing and. how it all goes into the landfills back. into the ecosystem back into our food. what we're breathing and and so I mean. even the marketing gets tricky so you it. can't even just be an education on.

nutrition it's how these companies are. marketing which which will constantly. evolve so you have to re-educate over. and over again and I mean you just said. it yourself with the pasture raised. pasture raised beef versus grass-fed I. mean I mean I did I didn't I didn't know. that you know what I mean and and and I. get to interview people like you all the. time yeah you know and and so for. somebody even just a single mom out.

there that's. just working her butt off trying to make. ends meet so that she can feed her kids. I mean she doesn't have time to listen. to this and so I mean I would think. that just my personal opinion and and. with how corrupt I know our government. is I mean it seems like the only way to. do it is to educate the people and you. won't even be able to educate them. through a government program because the. lot will take the program out of. the out of the educational system I.

think that the the programming of. Americans is a really important thing to. talk about so we can talk about Pharma. because the US and New Zealand are the. only two countries in the world that. allow pharmaceutical ads on the on TV. but and this is again we're talking. about very disruptive ideas here if any. of these got into practice if we stopped. allowing Pharma ads on television which. I think we should and Hope the next this. Administration will consider and I know. Bobby is for this um and hopefully he.

gets confirmed like today or tomorrow. you know on Monday or something but uh. that would that would single-handedly. change the landscape because so many. media companies would collapse the. budget for CNN would be reduced m i mean. remember during fizer during fizer. during fizer that's what we call Co now. was fiser remember during Co remember. during Co which we're renaming fizer um. there was this there was this um this uh. sort of meme or this this video people. made of all the different shows on CNN.

that were sponsored by fiser whether it. was Anderson Cooper Etc so you think. about the budget for so many Media news. outlets and how much of that comes from. Pharmaceuticals so disallowing. pharmaceutical ads on television would. would change the media landscape and I. don't really I wouldn't miss any of it. like I think Legacy Media is horrible. and I think that they're just. brainwashing people but what about and. this is just a suggestion what about not. allowing junk food to be advertised on.

television how many ads are there for. Frosted Flakes and Skittles like why are. we all this food is not good for our. children it's not good for us why are we. allowing Nabisco to advertise for Oreos. on television like and again I think. that I can hear people responding to. saying it's free speech like it's this. is a c i mean I don't want I'm I'm all. for capitalism I'm not trying to know. return to a communist state or socialism. but I'm just thinking out. loud is the marketing that we're seeing.

on television programming kids at a. young age is it programming adults I. don't know where you draw the line right. does Domino's Pizza get to get to. advertise on television when I was. growing up there was Little Caesars and. Papa John's you know none of these foods. I can make a strong case that none of. these foods are good for humans and we. can go down the list but I think that. there has been a concerted effort by. these multin. processed food. companies to shift blame away from them.

and so Coca-Cola this is really. interesting Coca-Cola has done some. pretty Sinister things and this is just. what I know about Coke I'm sure the. other soda companies have done the same. things but Coca-Cola has funded hundreds. of research studies Coca-Cola has given. millions of dollars I think it might be. in the hundreds of millions of dollars. to universities to do research over the. years and what kind of research do they. do they do research on why junk food is. not bad for you as long long as you stay. in energy balance and I think this idea. of calories and energy balance is one of.

the most misleading concepts for. Americans in our nutrition space. Coca-Cola actually funded something. called the global energy balance Network. and the whole idea here is you can eat. junk food as long as you exercise you. can out exercise a bad diet Sean to me. this is completely false because there. are so many components in the junk food. that impair mitochondrial energy. production. the simple fact of the matter and I. would love to debate anyone about this. and hopefully more of these will happen. in a way that people can actually.

understand when we're doing the debates. but all calories are not created equally. weight loss does happen if you're in a. caloric deficit this is thermodynamics. right yes you can lose weight eating. 1,500 calories of donuts per day you. will not be healthy and I guarantee you. will be very hungry and when you stop. keeping yourself in a calorie restricted. prison and you will overeat and you will. binge and you will gain that weight back. because you have impaired your. mitochondria electron transport chain.

because of the poisonous I would say. toxic additives in these Foods so this. is a crazy debate that happens on X and. these these forums people will Advocate. all foods fit Sean that is the rallying. Cry of dietitians all over the world all. foods fit just don't eat too much this. is why things like Weight Watchers were. created and you see those little snack. packs of Oreos and it says 150 calories. and it's okay to eat junk food as long. as you don't exceed your caloric. threshold what we're not being told is.

that additives ingredients in these. Ultra processed foods impair our ability. to make energy from them they're. poisonous to our metabolism they're. poisonous to the very things that give. us life as humans we are sort of an. anti-entropic process entropy is the is. one of these laws of thermodynamics that. all things in the universe tend toward. toward disorder but look at this is not. disordered there are incredibly complex. cellular processes happening in you and. I as we sit across this room we are.

breaking entropy and physicists will say. that because we're producing heat the. over overall amount of entropy in the. system is still going up but you and I. are are you know are bounded we are. membranebound organisms that are that. are fighting against entropy and the way. that we fight against disorganization is. with ATP when a human dies the body. decays what's different we may say this. soul but also cellular energy production. is not happening in a human that's dead.

right and that person is buried or. cremated or something but a dead animal. is the same thing the animal starts. rotting if we do not make energy in. ourselves we begin decaying in the same. way we begin dying we need this energy. and that is what this is all about. metabolic Health the ability of your. mitochondria to make energy and so many. of the ingredients in these processed. foods whether it's dyes or things the. disruptor got microbiome or seed oils. directly impair energy production in the. mitochondria and so saying to someone.

the Coca-Cola's energy Global energy. balance Network says it's okay to drink. Coca-Cola just make sure you get a. Walkin that's Sinister that's nefarious. that's how these companies are working. against us and brainwashing us and our. children into thinking all foods fit. it's okay to feed your children. Oreos just make sure they get some green. beans on the side but what we're not. being honest about is how the. ingredients in the Oreos the ingredients. in the Doritos the Takis whatever are. actually poisonous for humans and the.

quality of the calories in impairs your. ability to do calories out so that's the. equation that people will come back to. online calories in calories out yes it. works thermodynamically but the quality. of the food we eat affects how much. energy we can make on the back end and. that's that's where we've really gone. wrong because believe me Coca-Cola Pepsi. craft Nestle abisco ConAgra they do not. want you to eat quality food M they want. you to eat their ultr processed food.

which is cheaper has a better shelf life. and has more of a profit margin for them. they don't want you to eat a banana M. they don't even want you to eat oatmeal. they want you to eat an oatmeal cookie. or a banana flavored Gummy Bear right. something like this or they want you. they don't want you to eat meat they. want you to eat a plant-based. alternative or they want you to eat an. ultr processed you know meat thing at a. restaurant or something so this is the. problem is that the quality of food is. is Paramount and and we've really really.

been misled and I think it's I think. it's a like a a concerted effort I think. it's it's an intentional misleading of. humans to confuse us and that that's. really bad but I think that the way. forward is very simple returning to high. quality food and we can drill down on. what I think is best for humans we've. talked a little bit about the spectrum. of meats already returning to high. quality food solves these problems and. this is what I wasn't taught in medical. school but it's why I do what I do today. because I have seen and met and talked.

to online now thousands if not tens of. thousands of people who have had their. chronic illnesses reversed by changing. the quality of the foods they eat. diseases that I was taught in medical. school were incurable what what name a. couple of The Chronic illnesses you've. seen reversed diabetes obesity. depression suicidality I personally had. eczema that I reversed by changing my. diet what's eczema eczema is a skin. condition with like itchy bumpy skin. psoriasis.

lupus um rheumatoid arthritis. inflammatory bowel disease Crohn's and. ulcerative colitis so I've met people. who said their doctor wanted to. surgically remove their colon in. ulcerative colitis we often physically. scar people for life we remove the colon. some people who have ulcerative colitis. end up with a colostomy bag which is how. medicine treats this and if they need it. they need it but that's very imp that's. very difficult for someone to live their. life imagine dating you know or living. your life with a colostomy B right and.

but I've met people who said my doctor. wanted to operate in my colon and I. changed my diet they did a carnivore. diet or an animal-based diet which is. basically meat plus fruit and they no. longer need a Col they no longer need a. weeks to months depending on the. condition yeah weeks to months wow it. doesn't even take that long the human. body is very malleable and it doesn't.

happen overnight right it's not you know. you skip one meal right but it happens. within weeks to months some people it. takes a year or so but some of the most. striking ones are the psychiatric. illnesses bipolar suicidality psychosis. depression because those affect so much. else in people's lives yeah infertility. I mean this is one of the most you know. endearing things is when when a couple. wants to have a child and they they try. everything and then they just change. their diet maybe adding in some organs.

and suddenly they can have babies wow. that's amazing wow healthy babies too. and I mean the list goes on it's it's. almost if you can name a medical. condition I can find you a case study of. someone that I've met or talked to that. has almost certainly reversed it with. their diet now I want to be clear to. clarify this it doesn't work in everyone. 100% right but what I've seen I think is. nothing short of miraculous and every. one is complex sometimes people have. other things going on in their life that. are Beyond food they have traumatic. things they have trauma in their past.

they live in a very toxic environment. sometimes if someone is living in a. moldy building right and they have brain. fog they're going to need to do more. than change their diet so I'm not saying. that changing your diet cures every one. of everything 100% but what bigger lever. you know and and I was never taught. about this in medical school and so it's. cool to get to do this work and to see. these people and living in Costa Rica. one of the down sides is I don't meet. people in person when I see a comment on. a thread or something I've done online. that said hey this really helped me I.

think that's great but having the person. walk up to me every single time I smile. and you know I think like tell me your. story what what happened and that's that. keeps me doing what I what I do because. that means so much to me and there's so. many stories of people and and sometimes. you know it doesn't I don't I don't. think that a carnivore or an anti diet. are the only ways to do that I think. broadly improving food quality is the. first step and some people with. autoimmune disease need to really. clarify and intentionally choose foods. and and and they have to go carnivore or.

animal based not everyone needs to go. that far but not falling prey to the. calories marketing to the you can drink. Coca-Cola just go on the exercise bike. 15 more minutes marketing and improving. food quality that is an act of rebellion. that is so powerful for humans it's so. cool and so that's really as I come back. to this and what I do that's what I I I. really feel most excited about sharing. with people I was recently at a. conference in Phoenix and I gave a talk. and I there were probably 10,000 people. in the audience Trump spoke there it was.

really cool to see him in person um and. I just want people to know that whatever. you're suffering from any of the chronic. illnesses we listed like it's almost. certainly able to be massively improved. if not completely reversed by changing. what you eat and your doctor won't tell. you that interesting let's take a quick. break yeah when we come back uh I want. to hit you on your daily routine okay. absolutely cool. life moves fast but I know I'm prepared. for the unexpected thanks to fabric by.

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about living in the equator is that. there's not a lot of variation days and. nights different times of the year it's. kind of 12 and 12 all year round with a. little bit of variation seasonally but. sun comes up between 5: and 6:00 a.m. all year round so I get up with the sun. I don't use an alarm um first thing I do. when I go when I get up is I go outside. I get sunlight in my eyes grounding a. little bit light movement and I eat in. the morning immediately I don't do. intermittent fasting or anything and the. first thing I eat in the morning in.

Costa Rica is pretty consistent so I can. tell you what I eat in the day as a part. of this and it's the same every day um. I'm very consistent with this I do raw. goats milk with a local honey that's. organic um I put in some organs from. hardened soil and I put in some creatine. I put in some methylated B vitamins. because I have polymorphisms around. folate metabolism this MTHFR. polymorphism and throw in a little bit. of salt and so that's my morning. breakfast is raw milk with organs honey.

creatine you put the organs in with the. milk and the honey it's the desicated. organ capsule from hard and soil okay. okay yeah yeah no I you could mix it up. but no it's an Oregon castle and then I. go surf so I'll go in the ocean for two. two and a half hours and I'll Surf and. I'm just you know I'm not trying to you. know go crazy I'm just trying to enjoy. myself. um sometimes I'll spend a little extra. time on the beach I'll put the slack. line up and just hang out with friends I.

usually get home 8:30 or 9 sometimes. there's a farmers market if it's a. farmers market day I'll go to the. farmers market and get meat from a local. butcher that has local grass-fed cows or. local fruit organic fruit and get some. raw goat milk from the farmers and I've. been to the goat milk farm which is. pretty cool and then uh I'll eat some. breakfast breakfast is usually. about half a pound or three4 of a pound. of meat some kind of red meat I eat red.

meat every day red meat is 99% of the. meat that I eat I don't fear it we can. talk about saturated fat and how it's. become vilified how I think it's very. misleading for people to to be fearful. of red meat but I eat red meat whether. it's a burger or a steak I'll cook it on. my grill I'll have a little more raw. milk some fruit maybe some squash for. breakfast and at that point I'll start. doing whatever work I'm going to do for. the day whether whether it's calls with. my team social media team or research. team I might do some research maybe I'll.

do a podcast in the afternoon if I have. somebody on my show and we're doing. virtually um I usually take a break in. the middle of the day and do a a slight. workout like a mini workout I've got a. gym at my house maybe I'll do some. pull-ups I like Nordic curls you know. what a Nordic is it's like a it's like a. it's like you're you're facing the. ground that you have your ankles and you. kind of hinge at your knees and go down. like that it's incredible for your. hamstring maybe do a couple sprints on. the treadmill um I built a skate ramp at. my house in Costa Rica no Kidd to.

practice surfing so maybe I'll skate for. a little bit in the middle of the day. and then in the afternoon I'll kind of. go back to like productive block Time. same kind of stuff whether it's research. content creation ideation with my team. or podcasting and then by three or 4 I'm. usually turning off for the day and. trying to wind down and unplug a little. bit no yeah sometimes you're doing. what like two three hours of work during. the day four four to five four to five.

hours max that sounds amazing. yeah but like 12 I mean you're doing a. lot of great work maybe I need to be. doing more but I'll do you know I do. these work blocks where I'm doing like. focused work right right now I'm writing. a book another book I wrote one book. about the carnivore diet right now I'm. writing another book soon in the. afternoon I'll I'll use maybe one of. those focused work blocks to do editing. of the book or talk to my talk to my. editor about ideas or something but yeah. I I probably work four to five hours a.

day Max and but that that might be on a. weekend too it's there's no definition. between weekdays and weekends but yeah I. try to I protect my time and then you. know when the sun is going down I'm not. I'm not working uh the sun goes down at. 5 or 6 I'm trying to be off the computer. um I might have I probably had a little. snack or another meal in the middle of. the day then I'll eat dinner and for me. my food is kind of the same it's red. meat it's raw milk it's a little bit of. organs and it's fruit or honey with. squash I eat that throughout the day and.

that idea of like organs meat fruit. honey raw dairy is kind of like the. carnivore diet 2.0 I've just termed it. animal- based actually Joe Rogan kind of. termed it animal- based when I was on. his podcast many years ago but I like. that definition just people have a. working term of like the way to eat that. I'm eating it doesn't have to be for. everyone but it's a good framework for. people I'll eat that way throughout the. day um in evening I'll hang out with. friends maybe go watch a. sunset um yeah and then at at dark all. the blue lights I don't even use blue.

lights in my house because I have you. know a bunch of Windows everything's. open air in my house all the windows are. open during the day I'm trying to get. grounding and sunlight during the day. and then at night I use just red lights. because I'm really protective of my. circadian rhythm and I try to be off my. phone for a few hours before I go to. sleep maybe maybe meditate maybe. creative work reading a book book like a. real book or a non-flickering device. like a Kindle or a daylight tablet or. something or or listening to an audio.

book or a podcast and then um yeah and. then I'm usually going to sleep at like. 8:30. legitimately wow but I don't have kids. and I mean yeah how how often do you eat. the raw meat we just had a raw steak. downstairs was not deer as bad as I. thought I mean I like my steaks medium. rare anyways but very rarely I was. telling you that my BNB they're hid and. Miss right airbnbs and so I went to. grill this morning I I think that you.

talked about time earlier and I really. feel feel like the return on investment. for me of preparing my food is worth it. so I brought you some meat sticks I'm. traveling with some meat sticks from. lineage this company that I built that I. value but I also want to bring my own. food so I made squash in the oven last. night and you had some squash I have a. glass container with meat and squash 99%. of the time that meat in that container. is cooked on a. right so it was just this random thing. that happened this morning where I. opened the grill at Airbnb and I thought. that is disgusting I can't find a grill.

brush I'm preparing for your podcast I. don't want to spend the time I'm just. going to eat it raw so I just put a. little I put a little salt on it I'm. just eating you know like well it's. great to partake with. you but uh yeah I mean the the four to. five hour workday I mean that sounds. that sounds I get so much anxiety. if I'm not working I just feel I don't. know I think I think maybe it came from. training a long time ago we always had.

this mindset of every time you're. you're messing around at the bar playing. around the enemies training getting. stronger and sitting here getting softer. and weaker and I I don't know if that. carried over into my entrepreneurial. life or not but I just I always think. like that I'm like if I'm not working. somebody else is and they're going to do. it bigger and better and and more L and. and so I just I am a workaholic to my to. a fault but it's something that I've.

been I mean I used to do 16-hour days. but I mean you're incredibly successful. and what you've built brings value to so. many people so who could criticize it. and my wife yeah my kids do you get. enough time with your kids. no no I don't I grew up with a dad who I. didn't see much he was an internal. medicine Doc and and so I think I I. learned or I decided early on in my life. that I didn't want to repeat that and. when I have children I want to spend I.

want to spend like as much time as I can. with them so I've just kind of Built My. Life in a way to do that now my life. hasn't always been like this you know. like I think that um founding two. companies helps um right now most of my. work is podcasting research writing a. book and working with my team but you. know I have the resources to have a. social media team now which helps me I. don't have to be the one posting on. Instagram I don't have to be the one. editing videos it just it creates a lot.

of um efficiency for me and that stuff. but yeah I I value my free time. personally it's just kind of a something. that I. do and yeah I really love to Surf and. spend that time outdoors and and the. other time and I mean but for years and. years right um I was in first I went to. PA school so I was a physician assistant. before I went to medical school I worked. in cardiology for four years as a PA so. I had two years a master's a PA two. years of a master's degree to become a.

physician assistant then four years in. cardiology before that in in in college. I worked my tail off man you know like I. I I was so insecure in college about my. intelligence that I just studied all the. time I basically ate junk food in. college that I ate worked out and. studied and then in medical school I. studied really hard in residency I. worked really hard and then for the. first few years building my brand and my. companies I was super grinding but. throughout all of it I've had this kind. of persona of my father in the.

background never wanting to become my. father so what I'm very careful of is I. don't want my work to ever affect my. health negatively I mean you guys see it. like I really do try to live what I. preach sometimes to a fault I think that. I'm pretty intense about it and when I'm. traveling I'm bringing all my food I. don't eat in airports I rarely eat in. restaurants unless it's I know that. quality but that's all that's all worth. it to me to like spend time doing those. things and I I I really keep my own.

health as like a prize and I saw my. father's Health suffer you know he my. father had his first heart attack when. he was in his 40s and I'm 47 years old. wow so I have a history of early onset. heart disease in a primary relative and. you know I had a coronary artery calcium. scan a few years ago and I have zero and. a CAC scan is not the most perfect. metric of coronary artery calcium but. mine was Zero eating a similar diet to. what I eat now as a think I was 43 at.

the time and I should repeat that scan. now but it was just preventative and I. wanted to sort of prove things to the. community because at the time my. cholesterol was higher than it is now. but um I saw my father have a heart. attack become obese sleep apnea and and. he was a doctor he should have known. better but he never really struck that. work life balance well yeah so I think. it's just become a value of mine and. kind of central to me to stay fit and um.

to like. prioritize time to play and relax as. much as I can and it doesn't always work. out like that sometimes when I'm. traveling you know I'm kind of I'm. really get wrapped up in it I do you. know I'm working a lot when I'm. traveling if I'm making content with my. team when I'm traveling and studying and. researching but I do try to prioritize. my sleep and and keep the Circadian. rhythm good because I know how much this. affects everything else in my body so. it's just it's just of big value for me. is to stay healthy in what I'm doing and. not push too hard because I think you.

can easily I could easily go over the. edge there too I mean I'm pretty sure I. know the answer to this do you drink no. nothing no wine no nothing I I've really. only drunk five six times in my I've. only been drunk four or five times in my. whole life I never really enjoyed it had. a major hangover after I've probably. consumed alcohol 10 times in my whole. life it just doesn't do much for me yeah. I've been off for almost it'll be three. years this Valentine's Day amazing yeah. yeah thanks to uh psychedelics oh.

incredible I mean alcohol is such a it's. it's poisonous you know I mean you know. many people have highlighted the fact. that there's studies showing that even. an average of one drink per day thins. the Neo cortex of your brain so it's. just not a great thing for humans and. I'm not trying to pretend that I'm a. saint you know or that that I think. people should that people should be held. to imposs standards and I think enjoying. your life is part of it but for me the. value equation with alcohol doesn't. doesn't compute the calculus isn't there.

yeah so I mean obviously you're you're. super fit what what are your workouts. like are you is it strenuous is it is it. you know I mean what is it light you. said light movement in the morning in. Costa Rica it's mostly surfing and then. I still dabble in martial arts so when I. was in medical school I did a moderate I. did a bunch of noi Jiu-Jitsu for about 2. years and I've kind of started to do a. little bit of striking Muay Thai boxing. and I'm not proficient in any of it by. any means but I like it so when I'm not.

surfing if I want to work out I have a. Muay Thai bag at my house and some mats. and I might train a little bit in terms. of the martial arts stuff I I like. movement whether it's like surfing or I. I love the technicalities of of movement. and boxing and and you know kinetic. chess of Jiu-Jitsu and wrestling so. sometimes I'll do that um I don't lift a. lot of weight. because I'm not trying to get bulky I. don't I don't want not thatthing weights. makes you bulky but I think that I just.

have a physique that stays muscular. without a lot of Weights so I'll do. pull-ups I like I like things that. lengthen my body I like body weight. exercises I like the way that a pull-up. feels because I can feel my spine. release and kind of lengthen after. sitting during the day so I'll do. pull-ups I might do 20 pull-ups a day. I'm nothing crazy you know I'm not like. goggin you know I'm not doing a th. pull-ups a day or anything yeah um I. like. I like Mobility you know I like. squatting I like banded Mobility for my. shoulders um like I said I skateboard.

sometimes on my ramp which is just kind. of fun but so you turn your hobbies into. your into your workouts yeah okay yeah I. Sprint sometimes on the beach but I. don't when I go to a gym when I'm. traveling I hit the punching bag that's. just what I like to do so in addition to. looking for raw milk everywhere I go I. now have to look for punching bags and. that's harder and harder because the. gyms don't have punching bags and. sometimes I get stuck at Lifetime with. this crappy punching bag but it's better. than nothing and I travel with my boxing. gloves everywhere what's your social. life like I mean you don't drink doesn't.

sound like you go out to dinner very. often you cook at home I mean yeah you. know that that really Narrows the scope. yeah I I can go to restaurants on dates. and stuff I'm single you know um if I'm. going on a date with a woman I can go to. a restaurant I just want to know they. don't cook in seed oils so I don't get. to the restaurant and decide not to eat. anything because if a restaurant Cooks. in seed oils I will not eat at the. restaurant I will not eat food kicked in. seed oils I'm fairly hard on that line. so I can go to restaurants sometimes and. when I'm traveling in the states if I'm.

on a date with a woman I might go to a. restaurant um and I I try to like the. the Circadian rhythm stuff is probably. the most impactful with regard to. socializing because I like to try and go. to sleep at the same time every night. but I was just in DC for the. inauguration at the Maha ball and. another ball and I was I was happy to. completely tank my circadian rhythm by. staying up until 1: in the morning. morning but I know and this is actually. what happens when I wake up in the. morning I feel foggy I don't feel great. I have to get a workout before I feel I.

know that the next day I'm not as. productive I'm not as sharp and this. comes from training Jiu-Jitsu I think in. medical school thinking I'm going to be. on a m with a guy who wants to break my. arm destroy my knee or choke me. unconscious like I'm going to show up to. that as sharp as possible so I'm always. thinking like what's the return on this. investment I'm willing to stay out late. if I really feel like it's great friends. and I want to connect with people. um I'm not willing to. make bad quote unquote choices with. regard to food but I am willing to to.

flex the Circadian rhythm some but I I. try to really just show up as good as I. can every day in the world because it's. much less fun to Surf when I'm kind of. foggy from staying up too late the night. before so I just try to bring my friends. to me you know by creating a fun. environment and hang out with my friends. earlier and say hey can we go to dinner. at 5 and not 7:30 yeah or 8 o'clock at. night but you know it is just kind of. give and take and I have great friends. and sometimes people ask me this online. they say well what how do you do that.

don't isn't that hard to make friends. and I think look if somebody doesn't. want to be friends with me because I. don't drink or smoke or any of these. things like that's not our values are. not aligned it's not going to be a great. friendship anyway yeah so yeah I mean I. I I am not a Hermit I like humans I like. talking to humans I value relationships. both friendship relationships and. romantic relationships I value all of. that it's just kind of this I just. probably put the the dial a little more. toward um being boring and square than. most people do so what I mean what do. you do socially you go to I sometimes I.

go to restant at home in Costa ricao. what's that at home in Costa Rica yeah. go to friend's house for dinner I'll. have dinner with friends have them over. to my house with friends I'll surf with. friends we watch sunsets together a lot. it's uniquely Costa Rican things yeah go. on the beach together take my dog for a. walk on the beach and see see friends. yeah put a slack line up I just built a. really cool pool at my house and I was. able to put ozone generator on the pool. so there's no chlorine in the pool and I. built a platform on the roof of my house. it's 21 ft from the roof to the pool so.

the pool is 12 feet deep nice so you can. you know I have people over and we hang. out at the pool and listen to the Hower. monkeys cool yeah cool you talked about. grounding yeah in your in your daily. routine yeah so i' I've been hearing a. lot about grounding I don't know exactly. I mean I know you know walk Barefoot on. the on the soil and stuff like that why. you know humans tend to accumulate a. voltage and when we touch the Earth the. voltage goes away this is the movement.

the actual movement of electrons can go. between the human body and the the Earth. and I was super skeptical but there's. actually published literature about. grounding decreasing inflammatory. markers grounding changing the charge on. the outside of your red blood cells um. yeah so it just kind of feels good and. there's so when you say grounding what. are you doing just laying on the ground. no no I'm just walking bar foot on the. earth you know and that sounds more. hippie than it needs to be I just I mean. you can ground most of the time you can. ground on cement you know you can just.

walk you can walk out your house and. just I mean I even do it here you know I. did it this morning at my Airbnb in in. Nashville I just go out outside of the. Airbnb Barefoot and try and walk on the. ground a little bit in the morning and. in Costa Rica it's much easier for me. right because I'm Barefoot all the time. and you don't even have to wear shoes to. go into a grocery store in Costa Rica. but grounding is an interesting thing. it's just it's something that humans. have always done we've always kind of. been touching the Earth but we're more. separated from it now and there seems to. be benefits I don't think it needs to be. like something that people obsess over.

but just go go take you know I think. even in the winter it's okay to take. your shoes off and just go stand in the. grass for a couple minutes it's good to. be outside in general um and this is. something we were talking about with the. the. jungle so I've been thinking a lot about. light recently so I think a lot about. food and nutrients but I also think a. lot I've been thinking a lot about light. and light is in a lot of ways a nutrient. and so in order to be in the podcast. studio and to get the lights to look. good we're using artificial lights this.

is obviously not outdoors in the Sun so. the light the spectrum of wavelengths of. light that we're getting in here is not. what we would get outside there's no. infrared light indoors and there's also. no ultraviolet indoors which is you know. something we can talk about as well and. this light that we're using indoors is. enriched in blue which is around 400. nanometers 410 something like that so. it's it's a it's an artificial type. light indoors and so I'm not sure that. it's good for humans to spend all of our. time in fake or I should say um sort of.

partially um limited indoor lighting. right and this again I'm not trying to. make it impossible for anyone to live. their life what I am trying to highlight. is the idea that it's very valuable to. be outside for even part of the day so. we were talking on the break of the. podcast for a minute and I said to one. of the guys like let's just go step. outside for a minute it just feels good. to be outdoors for me in the the. sunlight and it's winter in Nashville so. there's no ultraviolet right now because. the sun isn't very high but there's. infrared and there's a full spectrum of.

wav lengths that are visible and so. that's interesting because the infrared. light specifically is valuable for. humans at the level of the mitochondria. and I didn't know this till recently but. there's actual data and published. studies to show that infrared. wavelengths whether it's uh 800 nomers. on on up it's a very large amount of. infrared in the spectrum they allow our. mondria in the whole body to produce. melatonin and that melatonin gets used. as a systemic antioxidant in our body we.

traditionally think about melatonin in. the brain and the pineal gland through. the eyes and the super chiasmatic. nucleus as part of the brain that um in. conjunction with the par ventricular. nucleus and the superior cervical. ganglion are connected with our. circadian rhythm this is why you hear. people say don't look at blue lights. don't have your phone on at night. because essentially partially my body. thinks it's the middle of the day here. under these blue lights which is okay. for the most part because it is still. the middle of the day right it's not. 9:00 at night but the concern when we're. under these blue lights which are both.

flickering the sun doesn't Flicker and. they're enriched in these blue. wavelengths more than the outdoor. lighting would be is that it's going to. confuse my the entrainment of my. circadian rhythm between the eyes and. the brain and and that's going to affect. melatonin production and this normal. cycling of Rhythm in the human body is. essential it's connected with so many. hormonal processes and DNA repair and. important things that are happening in. our brain and all the organs of our body. so our clock mechanism in our body is is. essential that that is protected if we. truly want to be healthy what you eat is.

important but also the light you take in. can affect your body's inner workings so. it's definitely more multifactorial than. just food as I mentioned earlier in the. podcast so when I'm thinking about. grounding I'm also thinking oh I get to. be outdoors and I want more infrared. light because I want the exposure to. that I want my body to be exposed to. that infrared can go through clothes so. you don't need to be naked or anything. and I'm not butthole sunning in Costa. Rica I just you know you don't have to. do any of that you know but there's.

there's evidence that also getting some. ultraviolet light increases testosterone. in males so getting ultraviolet light on. your skin is probably essential and it's. something that humans have always done. the other interesting thing about full. spectrum natural light is that the. infrared wavelengths balance out the. ultraviolet wavelengths and so the. potentially damag effects of the. ultraviolet wavelengths are in some ways. countered by the infrared wavelengths. okay so if tanning beds are bad for us.

it may be because they don't have enough. infrared to go with the. ultraviolet and so ultraviolet is good. if you get too much ultraviolet you can. get burned which is bad and I think that. for a lot of people our propensity to. get burned is higher because we're we're. eating too many seed oils which are high. in this linolic acid and we know that. linolic acid accumulates in all the. membranes of our body including. including our epidermis and dermis in. our skin when we have fragile. polyunsaturated fatty acids in our skin. I think that probably predisposes us to.

damage from the Sun and there are. studies there're associational. observational studies but there are. studies that associate seed oil. consumption with increased rates of. melanoma this is all to say that our. diet can affect our Skin's ability to. receive light in a healthy or unhealthy. way and that if our light environment is. not what we've been having historically. as humans that can be challenging for us. as well so this is all to say that. taking off your shoes and touching the. ground at least once a day for a little. bit of time is great how much time who.

knows I I don't know I don't how much. time do you do it I do it as much as I. can I mean you this is one of the things. I love about surfing and why I hope I. can get you in the water in Costa Rica. when you're in the ocean that is like. that is the biggest electron Reservoir. right on the planet Earth so I'm in the. ocean for 2 to 2 and a half hours I'm. walking on the beach Barefoot I I almost. don't wear shoes in Costa Rica cuz I. don't have to so I'm touching the ground. not when I'm sleeping. but hours a day hours a day hours a day.

now I couldn't I couldn't offer a study. that says you need to touch 20 minutes a. day or this okay I think the grounding. literature is still in its infancy um. and we could look at the protocols that. people have used for joint pain or. things like this but I think just start. with like some amount of time Barefoot. and it brings out kind of this playful. childlike mindset and then you're. Outdoors getting that full spectrum. light in terms of light I try to be. outdoors as much as I can and again it. depends you know like um it's worth wild.

to me to spend this time indoors with. you and when I'm in Costa Rica I spend a. lot of time outdoors and on the way here. in the car I had the sun roof open and. the window down even though it was cold. outside because I don't really mind the. cold and I wanted I wanted some in for. red you know who knows what kind of a. dose I'm getting but I just wanted to be. outdoors as much as possible both for in. training the Circadian rhythm because of. the brightness of the full spectrum. sunlight and the potential for those. infrared wavelengths but I think about. light a lot like I think about food.

there's there's Whole Food which is a. term that's overused today but there's. Whole Food which we know of we know what. that is single ingredient foods that. haven't really been processed and. there's also processed foods which have. had those food components taken away and. mixed up and there's there's whole light. which is sunlight and then there's. processed light and unfortunately most. of us spend 90 Plus of our lives indoors. mhm and that's probably not great for us. as humans either whether it's lack of UV. or lack of infrared um or lack of full.

spectrum light or um changing our. circadian rhythm entrainment in a. negative way so it like being a human. used to be really simple and we've kind. of complicated it in a strange way and I. don't advocate for us returning to. wearing loin cloths but I think that in. 2025 there is some there's value to be. had in returning to some awareness of. where we've come from as humans both in. terms of our food environment and our. light and systemic environment and.

lifestyle you had. mentioned raw milk yeah what is the deal. with the raw milk raw milk is. interesting to me so milk comes from. cows predominantly in the US and the. majority of milk that we get is. pasturized meaning it's heated I grew up. drinking pasteurized milk because my dad. was a Trad doctor we had a fear of milk. fat and saturated fat growing up so I. grew up mostly drinking skim milk which. is horrible pasteurized homogenized skin.

milk if we were really getting crazy. we'd have 2% but my family had a fat. phobia growing up that was kind of the. part of the Zeitgeist in the 1980s and. 90s when I was growing up and so I never. had raw milk until maybe 10 years ago so. raw milk is milk from a cow that hasn't. been. pasteurized and you know any of us that. were lucky enough to be breastfed had. raw human milk when we were an infant. and that is very beneficial for humans. and it is not sterile there is raw milk.

is teeming with organisms it's teeming. with bacteria from the mother's skin. Flora from the breast so raw milk from a. cow is kind of the same it's full of. commensal normal skin Flora from a cow. from the uters and humans have been. domesticating animals for 10 to 20,000. years we've been using raw milk and. making it into cheeses or fermented milk. which is known as cfir in in Bulgaria. and other countries and and yogurts and. these are often associated with great. longevity or health benefits but it's.

only really in the last 120 years that. we've been doing things that are. pasteurized with regard to Dairy because. we moved off of farms into cities when. we moved into cities those of us from. farms still wanted to drink milk but. people were getting sick drinking raw. milk that was produced in a city in the. early 1900s because the cows were being. milked in sub sanitary conditions and. the cows were sick because they were. being fed swill which is the spent. grains of alcohol. fermentation so it the introduction of.

pasteurization certainly was probably a. good thing originally in terms of milk. because a lot of milk was contaminated. because it wasn't produced properly. wasn't produced in the cleanest. conditions and when you're milking a cow. for humans we probably should clean the. UTS and make sure that if the cow poops. that doesn't go into the milk um and now. there is this resurgent interest in. getting back. to consistently intentionally produce. raw milk can humans do that and so when.

I look at the literature it's quite. fascinating because there actually have. been studies done comparing raw milk to. pasturized milk and there are multiple. studies that show that kids who grow up. on or off Farms drinking raw milk have. lower rates of asthma eczema and. allergies that's interesting right you. might think oh it's because they're on. the Farm they have the microbial. difference from the farm but even kids. who grow up in cities drinking raw milk. have lower rates of asthma EC and. allergies now is it that the pasteurized.

milk is causing the allergies and the. eczema all of those things that I had. personally or the raw milk is protective. it's probably some of both but I think. when I look at the literature around raw. milk and there's a robust literature. around raw milk and raw milk is many. immunologic components there's. lactoglobulin lact theeran there's. immune factors and peptides colostrum is. the first milk of animals and that's. been studied a lot now colostrum is a. huge thing today I mean the company that. I mentioned earlier Harden soil we have.

a colostrum capsule powder and the the. studies on colostrum are massive I mean. gut benefits with the gut Flora. potential neurologic benefits recovery. benefits so this is a it's a medicinal. food that mammals produce and even. across. species it seems that milk is beneficial. for humans and maybe loses that icial. ability when you pasteurize it we know. that when you heat milk above 150° the. whe protein changes confirmation so for.

a long time people thought raw milk. maybe it's beneficial because it's a. probiotic but I'm not sure that's the. issue it might have to do with the whey. protein and something with our immune. system I don't think we fully understand. why raw milk is beneficial but there's. some interesting evidence in the. published medical literature about raw. milk being a uniquely valuable. functional food for humans of course. anytime you have a raw food you have to. be careful about the production of the. raw food there was recently did you see. there was an outbreak of was it. salmonella in cucumbers MH so every year.

thousands of people are sickened from. spinach from sushi right so yes people. do get sick from raw milk when it's from. a farm that isn't doing it properly raw. food carries the risk of contamination. we were eating raw meat earlier uh I'm. sure that if if you know that somewhere. somebody eating raw meat today is going. to get contamination so it's just a. matter of what's the risk benefit and I. would say raw milk has benefits we need. to study it more and help scale. practices to do it safely so that people.

can access it I think raw milk this is. just my opinion but I think raw milk is. one of the. least um discussed potential. Therapeutics for the human gut you think. about how much human mamalian breast. milk affects our gut Flora what if raw. milk could be studied and we could see. how the gut Flora changes in a human. adult when they're drinking raw milk. from a cow that's been treated properly. and and it's clean raw milk and you can. test it so that's interesting to me that.

that milk is this kind of functional. food and so much of what we experience. today as health issues is related to the. microbiome of our gut specifically and. disbiosis and is it possible that some. of these raw foods especially the raw. milk or colostrum could help with that. it's something we shouldn't ignore but. in the mainstream press raw milk is now. seen as a right-wing conspir iracy thing. and you know you get vilified and people. will say oh it's it's not safe well yes. there are examples of contamination. they're very rare and there are many.

other foods that are more likely. contaminated than raw milk so it's it's. like anything you know if you want to. eat raw meat or raw liver or raw milk. which are all things that I do the raw. meat and the Raw Liver More occasionally. than raw milk you just have to be aware. of the quality of it and it's yeah. something that humans have done for a. long time let's you know you had. mentioned uh early on in the podcast. about EMF waves and you turn your. routers off at night and you do a uh. ethernet cable yeah you know for for to.

stay. connected did you feel a difference. coming off like turning all that stuff. on moving down to Costa Rica getting. into nature I mean what I do it's. multifactorial right um I surf every day. right the the food is different the. environment is different I'm getting. infrared from the environment but. it's it's hard so EMF when we're talking. about EMF we're talking about cell. phones Wi-Fi routers generally and. microwaves they're all kind of the same.

like span of frequencies a lot of people. don't know that their microwave is. basically similar to a cell phone in. terms of the frequency of radio. frequency EMF that it's putting out um. the electromagnetic spectrum is. fascinating so visible light is on the. electromagnetic spectrum but radio. frequency EMF is also on the. electromagnetic spectrum the waves are. just much larger in wavelength and these. are all light and they all have this. wave particle duality to them and they. all come in as photons and so the human.

eye can't see radio frequency EMF but we. can see EMF in the visible light. spectrum it's all kind of the same thing. light is incredible and I should say. electromagnetic waves particles are. they're all around us and there are all. sorts of sizes to these waves which are. w particle duality this is physics but. historically humans were never exposed. to much in the RF band which is a. certain set of frequencies it's only.

with the Advent of radio and Wi-Fi and. cell phones that we've now become bathed. in this and questions remain and I think. that like so many things whether it's a. covid vaccine or RF EMF we should be. able to ask questions about whether. these things are benign or harmful for. humans and yet you know how hopefully. it's changing but so many times if you. even ask about EMF people think you have. a tinfoil hat and I I proudly will wear.

my tinfoil hat and ask questions the. reason people don't think RF EMF from. your cell phone or your Wi-Fi router is. harmful and look I appreciate Elon he's. brilliant he's done so much for us but. he's been on Rogan saying it's. completely safe and you can make a. helmet of cell phones and it would be. fine and I think that's a little. ludicrous and like premature to say that. is is that R femf is not not. ionizing so x-rays are on the same. electromagnetic field electromagnetic. wave Continuum um ultraviolet light is.

on the same and at some wavelengths you. have enough power to to ionize DNA and. to create DNA damage so RF EMF isn't. powerful enough to be ionizing people. say it's not ionizing but just because. it's not ionizing doesn't mean it can't. affect the the function of biological. systems there are many studies hundreds. of studies with radio frequency EMF. suggesting that they do affect. biological systems at the level of um.

calcium channels at the level of ion. channels in the human body things which. are are delicate the thing about these. waves is they can pass through clothing. right they can pass they pass through. walls this is not science fiction you. know you can have a Wi-Fi router in one. room and that wave is coming to you. right so it's passing through your whole. body um a you know ough the signal from. your cell phone can reach you through a. wall um and the signal um deplete is. depleted in a um in a square function so.

if you have your cell phone far away. from you 3 or 5 feet the signal is. significantly less and so the further. you have it away the radius from you. it's going to be r squar that the signal. is is going down so it's a factor of R. squ so if you move away from these the. signal is going down very quickly it's. the proximity that's a problem but how. many of us walk around all day with with. our cell phone in our pocket or in our. front pocket as men or women or in a. sports bra right or we have airpods on. our head with a signal going through our.

brain two three six hours a day a lot of. people I know now work with airpods and. they could have these in for eight hours. a day so the jury is still out on this. but the questions remain around is this. safe for humans or is it negatively. affecting our biology and that's the. question that I think is worth asking. and that was the experiment that I kind. of wanted to do when I was in Costa Rica. what if I just create an environment at. my house that's zero EMF zero RF EMF um.

and so there there are meters that that. sample the radio frequency range of EMF. and you can look at my house and it's. 0.05 microwatts per meter squared in my. house. 05 when I'm mostly like if I'm in Los. Angeles just walking around at a hotel. it's usually a th000 or 2,000 microwatts. per meter squared if you hold this. device up to yourself phone it could be. anywhere from 30,000 to 3 million. microwatts per met squit so we're. talking about orders of magnitude and we.

just don't really fully understand if. these are benign for humans um when you. run a microwave and you hold the device. a few feet from the microwave you're. getting two to three million microwatts. per meter squared so you you know your. mom might have said this to you when you. were growing up don't look at the. microwave don't stand there because that. microwave radiation is pouring out of. the microwave and we don't really know. what it does to humans well by wearing. airpods you are essentially walking. around with a small low powered. microwave on your head all day.

long interesting and I just I just think. it's interesting that we are so easily. you know we're just dismissing it I mean. i' you know I went to a gym when I was. in Washington DC um a Lifetime Fitness. and every single person in the gym is. wearing airpods and again this is not. hyperbole there's I like connecting with. people and every single person is in. their their their airpod world or their. their sort of you know Bluetooth. headphone world so that's we need to ask.

questions and potentially the people. that it is most relevant to are children. because children are developing and. they're growing and how does a child's. brain react should a child be sitting. around for hours a day with an iPad on. their lap that is putting out thousands. tens of thousands of microwatts per. meter squared onto they developing you. know sex GL sex glands and hormones and. thyroid in brain I mean and that's not. to mention the screen that they're. looking at which is full of blue light. and flickering and doing all these. things that are potentially affecting. their neurotransmitters or their.

attention span disrupting their. circadian rhythm so we have devices are. everywhere they're a part of our lives. I'm not saying we should get rid of them. I'm just saying we should ask some. reasonable questions and really take an. honest look at the. literature I know everybody out there. has to. be just as frustrated as I am when it. comes to the BS and the rhetoric that. the mainstream media continuously tries. to force feed us and I also know how. frustrating it can be to try to find.

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with meta's policies but I do content. about this and it gets fact checked on. Instagram right I do fact checked I get. I do content about raw milk it gets fact. checked I do content about seed oils it. gets fact checked and when I do this. content I'm not doing it from from the. hip right I'm citing articles but in the. past and again hopefully Zuckerberg is. changing this in the past they could. just say no we're using this fact cheers. article your stuff is false so who knows. but yeah the EMF stuff is real um I.

don't know how much it affects humans my. subjective experience is I feel better. when I'm in a lower EMF environment. there's a lot of variables there and. it's impossible to do a single variable. experiment humans have never been. exposed to this much EMF and I don't. think we know how it's affecting us have. you thought. about using like a lead base paint to BL. all of. that you don't want to do that with a. paint because then it starts reflecting. right interesting so it's imagine like. putting a mirror I didn't know that yeah.

so so if you if you paint cuz I thought. about doing this if you paint your. entire bedroom with lead based paint you. I mean you won't get a signal in there. as long as you have. curtains that also block it CU it'll. come through the window okay right and. then you think is it ricochet Shing you. know is it is it bouncing around so I. don't think painting the walls is a good. idea if you're the easier thing would be. to just turn off the Wi-Fi router at.

night and not have your cell phone next. to your bed and turn your cell phone on. at airplane mode okay and put it away. you can I mean in in most places unless. you live in New York City in a high-rise. apartment or a condo with a bunch of. other apartments around you you can get. down to pretty low levels of RF EMF just. by doing those things I'm talking 50 to. 100 microwatts per meter squared um. that's that's pretty easy to get to if. you just turn off the devices at night. and that's a much lower exposure than a.

th000 or 2,000 or 10,000 that many of us. are being supposed to constantly in. these Urban environments if you live in. New York City I mean amazing City uh and. you're in a high-rise building and you. look at how many Wi-Fi networks there. are you might see 50 yeah and in that. case you're probably going to have to. build you know a curtain around your bed. to block the RF EMF and that's an option. too and you can put something on the. floor but again it's it's difficult I. wouldn't paint your walls just because. we don't that's a little trickier.

condition but you can you can construct. a faraday cage and they're also I mean. on Amazon for $20 you can. buy a faraday bag I mean you're probably. familiar with Faraday bags from your. work you know you can buy a faraday bag. to go around your Wi-Fi router so when. I'm traveling at airbnbs I'll just bring. a faraday bag and I'm not turning off. the Wi-Fi my Airbnb so I can work in the. day or my team has to work but at night. nobody's working we'll just turn off the. Wi-Fi and during the day I'll just put a. faraday bag around the router and it. decreases the signal but you can still.

use it so there's ways to mitigate it. and I just I think what's the what's the. better part of valor here like I'm just. going to be cautionary here and see. because yeah I'm just not I'm not I'm. not complacent about that kind of thing. it's all interesting it all contributes. to human health yeah seed. oils yeah this is a good one seed oils. is I've been wanting to dive in with. somebody for a while now so what what is. what is it with seed oils so in. 1900 there were no seed oils essentially.

maybe the first seed oil was like 1860. but there was no there were no seed oils. in the American food chain until 1911. when Proctor and Gamble made krisco. which was partially hydrogenated cotton. seed oil but before so in 1900 there. were no seed oils and this is just an. association but I think it's an. important thing to note for the. conversation because inevitably when we. talk about seed oils we will talk about. saturated fat so rates of heart disease. stroke cancer diabetes obesity every.

chronic illness were a fraction of what. they are today in. 1900 and we were eating 98 99% of our. fat as beef Tallow butter ghee and lard. there were no seed oils and olive oil. wasn't a big portion of our diet in 1900. there was no such thing as avocado oil. so most of our f was animal fat in 1900. and the association They Were Striking. to say okay we've had periods in. recorded history not too long ago when. we had almost all of our cooking fat was.

animal fat and heart disease wasn't. through the roof so any any hypothesis. any assertion that saturated fat causes. heart disease needs to be questioned on. historical basis from the. get-go seed oils came in in 1911 Proctor. and Gamble made Chrisco they had slow. adoption into our food supply I was say. over the next 40 years in 1940s with. World War II canola oil was produced for. the first time and it was used on ships.

because it the seed oils stay slippery. when they're wet they're used as engine. lubricants previously they've been. engine lubricants or lamp oils so 1940s. canola oil gets produced canola is an. acronym that stands for Canadian Oil low. acid there's no such thing as a canola. plant it's a rape seed plant so that's. just a canola oil sidebar and I'll come. back to canola oil and then since 1940s. we've had the introduction of various. oils into our food supply soybean oil. corn oil canola safflower sunflower.

peanut these are all seed oils anything. that comes from a seed is a seed oil um. in terms of the actual an oil that comes. from a seed it's important to understand. that Olive and avocado are fruit oils. and I'll talk about those later but. those are not seeds we don't make. avocado oil from an avocado seed we make. it from the actual avocado pulp from the. fruit and olives are made from the fruit. of the olive not the seed of the olive. so there's a big difference when you. make an olive or an avocado oil you just. press you press the fruit right if.

you've seen an olive press you know they. make they either do it by centry Refuge. where they spin it and the oil goes out. or they have a big press and they kind. of press the oil out and the oil comes. out how do you get oil out of a a cotton. seed or a soybean they're not very oily. how do you get oil out of a sunflower. seed or an ear a kernel of corn you have. to go through this complex industrial. process to refine the oil out of those. things so this is an interesting thing. to consider today in 2025 the average.

American eats the equivalent of around 5. tablespoons of seed oils per day 1900 we. had zero to get 5 tablespoons of seed. oil from corn you'd have to eat 70 years. of corn so you have to use massive. amounts 2 and half plus pounds of. soybeans to make five table spons of. soybean oil similar figure with. sunflower seeds right so these are these. are. historically inappropriate amounts of of. consumption of these substance we never.

would have been exposed to this. historically hunter gatherers they they. eat seeds and nuts sometimes but mostly. when they're starving I didn't see the. hods that eat a single seed or nut when. I was there so to get oil out of these. things which we've done because of an. industrial process that makes oils that. are cheap uh very profitable and have. very shelf stable you have refining. bleaching deodorizing so you have to. heat the oil to over 450° fah which. essentially damages the oil oxidizes the. oil makes it rancid you have to extract.

it with hexane which is contaminated. with Benzene you have to do sodium. hydroxide washing you have to deodorize. and bleach because if they didn't do. this industrial process you would we. would it wouldn't even be palatable for. humans so what you end up with on the. back end is this historically. inappropriate concoction of something. that is now marketed to humans as a. healthy oil well how can that possibly. be it's it's clearly an industrial hyper. processed food well the whole reason. that seed oils are hold to us as healthy.

is because of the cholesterol idea so we. kind of have to talk about cholesterol. any talk time we talk about seed oils so. 1900 no real heart attacks in the. population most doctors had never even. seen a heart attack heart attacks became. a thing in the Ze iist in the United. States in the 1950s when Eisenhower had. his first heart attack and I think it. was 1950 he had his first heart attack. and that was around the time of a guy. named anel Keys who was very sort of. opinionated and he did this study called.

the seven countri study which he. published later that Associated. saturated fat consumption with higher. levels of cholesterol and heart disease. but it in retrospect we know that he. cherry-picked the data he excluded. countries where that Association doesn't. actually hold true he included countries. where it did hold true but then he. excluded places like France Germany and. Switzerland where they eat a lot of. saturated fat but they don't have higher. rates of heart disease but nevertheless. this faulty study based on cherry. picking because of antel Keys's sort of. persuasiveness and this obsession with.

heart disease in the 1950s because. Eisenhower had multiple heart attacks. and Eisenhower's cardiologist Paul. Dudley white was influenced by insil. Keys We suddenly began to believe as an. American people that saturated fat which. raises cholesterol in many individuals. and we can talk about that is a Cause of. heart disease and then we'll table the. discussion about cholesterol as a cause. of heart disease for the moment but. we'll get back to that so for years and. years now USDA policy around dietary.

guidelines has been based on the. Paradigm that saturated fat causes heart. disease and so if saturated fat causes. heart disease it must be bad we must eat. less butter we should be eating. margarine instead of butter right Tallow. has gone out of our population most. people don't even know what Tallow is. you never see lard what's healthier is. mola corn oil and there are ads from the. 1960s and70s from mola corn oil saying. like Susie polyunsaturated her family. tonight they're just they're so funny to. see like we were the companies were.

proud of the fact that they were using. these polyunsaturated oils because for. so long we have been told that. polyunsaturated fats are heart healthy. and saturated fats are heart unhealthy. and we've got it all reversed it's all. backwards it's all backwards so the. reason it's backwards is because. polyunsaturated fats are fragile and. they become in incorporated into all the. membranes of our cells and there are. multiple studies showing that when we. have more polyunsaturated fats in our. diet specifically seed oils this LDL.

which is often termed bad cholesterol is. more likely to oxidize more likely to. become damaged in our in our in our. bloodstream and that leads to heart. disease in in so many steps again we. also have to talk about the cholesterol. piece and the heart disease piece with. all this so it's a little involved and. It's Tricky but the idea is that. polyunsaturated fats lower cholesterol a. little bit saturated fats raise. cholesterol a little bit so we've been. told that polyunsaturated fats are. healthy and yet humans are eating less. saturated fat more polyunsaturated fats.

and rates of heart disease are still. skyrocketing right so it didn't do. anything it didn't fix the epidemic of. heart disease clearly we've missed the. boat here and I would say we went in the. completely wrong direction especially. since the 1980s the consumption of. soybean oil is the major seed oil. consumed by humans has gone through the. roof and I mentioned this earlier in the. podcast you can look at human fatty. tissue post tissue and you can see that. over the last 60 to 80 years we are. really polyunsaturated ourselves when we. eat polyunsaturated fat we hold on to it. our bodies don't make polyunsaturated.

fat you remember earlier when I talked. about pigs and chickens as monogastric. animals these animals don't make. polyunsaturated fats either ruminants. can make polyunsaturated fats so they. don't hold on to polyunsaturated fats. they can get rid of them and they can. make them we cannot make polyunsaturated. fats so we need a little bit and. historically as humans we had a small. amount of polyunsaturated fat in our. diet both as omega-3 and as omega-6 and. omega-6 is the linolic acid omega-3 is a. kind of stuff you get from fish. generally speaking Omega 6 and omega3.

have different Pathways in the human. body in terms of the downstream. metabolites we'll talk about that also. but historically we never had much Omega. 6 1% of our calories today 10 to 15% of. our calories is Omega 6 some people have. 20% of their calories as Omega 6 fatty. acids so we have a. historical uh inconsistency here in what. we're doing as humans and that should. raise the alarm that should ask us that. should challenge us to ask questions but.

because of the cholesterol piece because. this lipid hypothesis has been at the. center of medicine for so long since the. 1950s with Eisenhower and we've been. told that cholesterol causes heart. disease we have really I think been. we've been misled and so the whole thing. is kind of this house of cards in my. opinion when you. understand that cholesterol doesn't. cause heart disease and this is this. pisses people like Peter AA off and I. would love to debate him on this you. know because he really believes. cholesterol does cause heart disease all.

respect to Peter AA the whole house of. cards Falls and so now let's just pause. the seed oil conversation and I'll come. back to that and I'll talk about. cholesterol you any questions so far. let's keep going okay so cholesterol is. a building block for steroid hormones in. your body testosterone estrogen. progesterone aldosterone these are all. built out of a cholesterol backbone. cholesterol and triglycerides which are. fatty acids are packaged into buses in.

your body that move these things around. one of those buses comes from the liver. it's called LDL low density lipop. protein LDL contains a protein called. APO 100 APO containing lipoproteins are. felt by Western medicine to be causal in. atherosclerosis atherosclerosis is the. process of plaque formation in your. arteries of your heart right and I have. a couple I have a lot of problems with. this Theory I think that they're close I. think Western medicine is close but.

we're missing the mark and we're not. seeing it because 90 plus% of people are. insulin resistant and that'll make sense. in a moment so LDL is this lipoprotein. particle it has an apob 100 marker on it. that says it's LDL other apob containing. lipoproteins are things like vldl IDL LP. a chylomicron remnants that's not. terribly important for this conversation. just know that LDL is thought of as the. bad cholesterol and in most humans when. you eat saturated fat LDL goes up but if. you look at the saturated fat literature.

there was a study published in 2020 in. the Journal of American College of. Cardiology saying hey we looked at tons. of studies it's meta analysis there's. actually no real relationship between. saturated fat and heart disease so. that's the first problem here is that. saturated fat which raises LDL is not. associated with heart disease and some. saturated fats like like 15 carbon and. 17 carbon saturated fats which occur in. Dairy pentanoic and acid and heptanoic. acid are actually felt to be protective.

against cardiovascular disease so. there's lots of inconsistencies in the. theory but you have LDL going up and. mainstream medicine says LDL is causal. therefore the more LDL you have in your. body the more likely you are to get. heart disease but except when it doesn't. right so if LDL is causal and heart. disease then why don't we get. atherosclerosis in our veins and we only. get it in Our arteries so veins are the. um are the vessels that your body uses. to return blood to your heart arteries.

are moving away from your heart to your. body so I have an heart here it pumps. blood through my aorta my aorta branches. into all sorts of arteries they go down. my abdomen into my legs so I have. arteries moving blood from my lungs. which is oxygenated to my body to my. toes and then in my toes I have. capillaries and then it turns into a. vein it comes back so in our. humans get atherosclerosis but we do not. get atherosclerosis in Native veins but. there's the same amount of LDL. circulating in all of these vessels it's. a continuous system so why is that.

because arteries are higher pressure and. I would argue that you must have injury. to the endothelial wall that is often. the beginning of. atherosclerosis that is one of the. proximate events of atherosclerosis if. LDL was. causal and the verbiage here is really. really important if LDL actually causing. atherosclerosis it should cause. atherosclerosis in my veins the. Assumption there is that LDL is somehow. damaging to the endothelium but we know. that LDL that's not modified not.

oxidized doesn't damage the endothelium. it doesn't happen atherosclerosis is a. process by which LDL particles move into. the sort of arterial wall so in an. artery if you have like a tube and you. cut the tube this way or if you cut it. lengthwise and you look at the artery. wall you see there's an endothelium on. the inside of the artery and the LDL. moves through the endoth to this. subendothelial space and in that. subendothelial space it's almost like. velcro there's a matrix of proteins. called proteoglycans and the LDL can get. stuck to those proteoglycans and when.

LDL gets stuck to those proteoglycans it. gets oxidized when an LDL is oxidized or. modified stuck in an arterial wall an. immune cell called a maccrage comes. along and takes it up and that's the. beginning of an atherosclerotic plaque. when those macrophages are full of LDL. they form a foam a fatty streak or their. foam cell which is a precursor to a. fatty streak which becomes a plaque an. arterial plaque that's. atherosclerosis but what should happen. What happens in normal physiology in a. healthy artery that doesn't have damage. and someone that's not insulin resistant.

is the LDL moves in and it moves out of. the arterial wall it can get stuck but. then it gets stuck for a short amount of. time and it moves out I think that. What's Happening Here is that LDL isn't. the culprit LDL is part of the causal. Cascade but it didn't cause the fire LDL. is a firemen right essentially showing. up to the fire but they didn't cause the. fire LDL is part of the Cascade we know. you need LDL to make. atherosclerosis but I think that LDL. actually causes atherosclerosis is very. shaky what does cause what does initiate. it it's this insulin resistance remember.

I was talking earlier about this. metabolic dysfunction this insulin. resistance and how that underlies so. many of our diseases that I think is the. problem when you are insulin resistant. which remember is when your mitochondria. don't work real well you don't make. energy well you don't move things down. that electron transport chain when. you're insulin resistant you're immune. cells don't work well and you have a. more enriched proteoglycan layer in your. in your endothelium in the. subendothelial space so your arteries. are stickier when you're insulin. resistant and the immune cells moving in.

your artery walls don't work in the same. way you don't repair the endothelium you. don't repair your vessels as well so. there's more injuries to your. endothelium and the LDL particles are. more likely to get stuck when you eat. more seed oils which are these. polyunsaturated fats the LDL that gets. stuck in the proteoglycan layer are more. likely to oxidize we know that for a. fact so you have LDL that's more fragile. full of polyunsaturated fats getting. stuck to a proteoglycan matrix because. you're insulin resistant you're getting. injury to the endothelial wall that we. all get when we are living our lives.

that doesn't get repaired because the. insulin resistance impairs your immune. function that repairs those endothelial. walls but LDL didn't cause any of that. it's just getting caught up in the. process so this is the major problem. with the theory for me is that there are. plenty of examples of people with high. LDL that don't get atherosclerosis or. that don't get atherosclerosis at the. rate that they should and there are. examples of people with low LDL who are. insulin resistant who get lots of. atherosclerosis so there are so many.

inconsistencies in the theory that I. think what's going on here is we have. conflated LDL as causal when it's. actually just part of the causal Cascade. so I'll just zoom way out for people I. think about this like wood and fire if. you're going to build a campfire you. must have wood right you have to have. wood but wood didn't cause the fire. right gotcha but wood also has other. valuable things if you get rid of the. wood you won't have any fire you can. lower someone's LDL and they will have.

less atherosclerosis but that doesn't. mean the LDL caus the. atherosclerosis if you lower wood if you. take away wood you know if you have a. forest that's been decimated by a forest. fire you're going to have it's going to. be hard to find wood to make a fire but. that doesn't mean wood cause the fire it. was the lightning that caused the fire. right you need to spark to cause the. fire so what's the spark it's the. resistance it's the mitochondrial. dysfunction leading to extra damage to. the endothelial wall leading to immune. cell impairment leading to LDL that's. more likely to oxidize leading to more. proteoglycans in the Matrix in the.

subendothelial space the other thing and. where the metaphor extends is that wood. is also valuable if you're living in the. woods you can build a house from wood in. the human body LDL is valuable LDL. serves an immune role we've often been. told LDL cholesterol is just there to. kill us which makes no sense. evolutionarily sometimes you hear this. explanation that like we don't need LDL. anymore because now we have antibiotics. but I think that's a little bit that. doesn't really jive with me. historically all throughout our time as. humans LDL is an immune particle it.

interrupts infections in our body. whether viral or bacterial bacteria and. viruses communicate with each other. using something called Quorum sensing. and LDL particles and other lipop. proteins can interrupt that so LDL has. value in the human body and it's. probably not surprising then that if we. look at some of the longest live people. they often have elevated levels of LDL. because they're not insulin resistant so. my assertion and this is very. controversial and I'm happy to defend at. any time in the right forum is that if. you are insulin sensitive if you are.

metabolically healthy LDL is good for. you it's an immune particle it's. valuable it's when you become insulin. resistant that it becomes a liability. because it's part of the causal Cascade. what is a problem if you live in a place. with a lot of lightning storms and you. have a bunch of dry wood around if you. don't have lightning storms wood is. great right you want to build things I. can build a canoe I can build a fishing. rod I can build a house you don't want. to get rid of all your wood and we know. that when you lower. LDL there are potential problems in.

humans now the data around lowering LDL. becomes muddy because drugs that lower. LDL can have side effects but for. instance statin drugs which lower LDL by. interrupting their synthesis in this. Cascade of uh cholesterol synthesis um. they're HMG Co reductase Inhibitors they. IIT an enzyme in this cholesterol. synthesis pathway they're associated. with slightly increased rates of. diabetes dementia myalgia lower libido. so lowering LDL lowering cholesterol.

production is not always a it's not. without problems and to think that. historically or by Design or. evolutionarily that LDL is just there to. kill us that doesn't make any sense and. that eating a food that is at the center. of the human diet for all of human. history like red meat that has saturated. fat would raise LDL that's increasing. your risk of cardiovascular disease that. doesn't make sense to me either so we. end up with this whole kind of just real. real confusing story right where we've. been told we knew 120 years ago that.

animal fats were great right people that. eat animal fats they're vibrant their. skin looks good they're fertile they. have libido then seed oils come on the. scene they're cheaper they're self. stable and they lower cholesterol and. now we're being told to fear cholesterol. and there's some Sinister things in. there I can also tell you about the. American Heart Association but we're. being told to fear cholesterol when. cholesterol is not the problem and there. are actually some interesting studies. that have been published very recently. showing that people who have higher.

cholesterol some in some cases very high. cholesterol and that are insulin. sensitive don't have increased rates of. cardiovascular disease at all they have. actually lower than a regular cohort so. this study is so important I'll just. highlight it for you it's from Dave. Felman and Matt budoff it's called the. keto study I believe they published the. first part of the study I think in 2024. and they took people on a ketogenic diet. now sometimes people on a ketogenic diet. because you're doing fat-based. metabolism see LDL go up but generally. people doing a ketogenic diet which is.

low carb are not eating seed oils. they're not eating processed food. they're pretty insulin sensitive as a. group so they looked at a group of 80. people in this cohort who have average. cholesterol average LDL cholesterol I. think the average LDL was 273 Mig per. deciliter so very high LD L and. corresponding. ldlc and they looked at them and they. did CT coronary angiography Matt budoff. is one of the co-authors he's a CT. coronary angiographer he's preeminent in.

his field a very well-respected. radiologist and what they found when. they compared that to a cohort from. Miami who had an average LDL cholesterol. of. 123 was that the two groups had the same. amount of plaque in their arteries one. group has more than double the amount of. cholesterol the other group has you know. but they have the same amount of plaque. and the the group on the keto group. actually was trending toward less fat. less fat in the arteries less.

atherosclerosis and so people might say. but they still had atherosclerosis well. yeah you don't know what they did before. right so what what's being said here is. that these people had been on a. ketogenic diet for an average of three. years they probably had elevated. cholesterol LDL cholesterol for 3 to 5. years which most cardiologists most in. the lipid space would agree is enough. time to see accelerated atherosclerosis. when you have more of that cholesterol. in your body and if LDL cholesterol is. causing atherosclerosis you should see.

more atheromas you should see more. atherosclerosis in that population but. you don't again we don't know what they. did before it's not that people on. ketogenic diets in the study had zero. but we don't have any idea what they. were doing before they could have had it. previously they had less they had less. than the Miami Heart Group which has a. much lower LDL that raises some pretty. major questions and when you look at the. the analysis there was no correlation. between serum cholesterol ldlc not LDL. um yeah ldlc there was no correlation.

between ldlc and the plaque burden in. those people zero oh so if if LDL. is causal how is that possible so we. just see the whole the whole thing. starts to get really complicated and. confusing but I'll just the the. framework the context is important it's. all about insulin resistance in my. opinion my strong belief I should say. it's all about metabolic Health if. you're metabolically healthy you LDL is. not a problem and you really have to be.

metabolically healthy and whether you're. keto which I'm not a huge fan of. longterm for most people or you're not. keto being metabolically healthy is what. we should be focusing on we are. hyperfocused in Western medicine on LDL. cholesterol because the Statin industry. is a multi. billion potentially more than that you. know industry so if if LDL doesn't cause. atherosclerosis there's still a place. for statins in the drug Supply but maybe. we wouldn't be giving them out as much.

as we are now and the whole Paradigm. starts to shift we need to fix insulin. resistance and that is something that. again 86 to 93% of Americans have some. degree of that's the problem but we. think we're doing a good job as doctors. remember I did four years of Cardiology. as a PA I gave a lot stattin. prescriptions and I was proud of it at. the time because I didn't know any. better so I've been in this. world we're treating the wrong thing and. we're worried about the wrong things and. the reason this is important to me is.

because people invariably get healthier. when they eat more red meat when they. eat more animal fats and when they. decrease seed oils and their LDL goes. up do you think that this I mean does. this stem from from a centralized. location or narrative or is this is this. best education or what is this I think. it's I think it's a centralized. narrative from the 1950s from anel keys. this lipid. hypothesis that is then fueled by.

potentially company data that are trying. to muddy the waters and confuse people. because so there is a group that. knows yeah I think so I mean this is. very contentious in Western medicine and. there are many very intelligent. well-intentioned doctors that disagree. with me and still strongly believe that. LDL is causal an atherosclerosis but I. when I look at the data there are too. many inconsistencies there are studies. like Dave felman's and Matt bofs there.

are so many examples of people with. elevated LDL who do not develop. atherosclerosis and I think that it's it. may come down to syntax and Linguistics. I would agree LDL is involved in the. causal Cascade if you are insulin. resistant and we lower your LDL your. risk of heart disease is unequivocally. lower however we didn't treat the real. cause which was your insulin resistance. and your metabolic dysfunction and I. hope that we were honest with you about. the side effects of the statins or. whatever we use to lower your LDL and.

major questions come up not necessarily. with statens but overall with LDL. lowering about all cause mortality just. because you're decreasing someone's risk. of cardiovascular disease death doesn't. mean they're living longer or living. better because sometimes you just shift. it right we know that you can just shift. the the pathology from cardiovascular. disease to Dementia or to cancer or to. some of these other issues and so that's. not the goal that's not treating a human. that's not a healthy human yeah we want. humans to live long and live well like.

the hza we want squaring of the. morbidity curve we want humans to be. vital into old age I'm not excited about. giving someone an increased rate of. diabetes or dementia myopathy lower. libido decreased sex hormones um by. lowering their cholesterol with a Statin. that doesn't solve the problem to me we. have to understand what is causing the. insulin resistance and so I'll just talk. about that because it kind of wraps back. to seed oils and I'm sorry this has been. so so technical in such a long story but. it's a it's a big gordian knot all of. this so I mentioned this earlier.

metabolic dysfunction insulin resistance. this primarily happens at the level of. the mitochondria if you cannot take. substrate from food which is glucose or. fatty acids and process them into nidh. and fadh2 and move those electrons. through the electron transport chain to. make ATP you are going to become insulin. resist. so how does that get broken it gets. broken in two major ways the first of. these is seed oils and the second of. those is sugar and I'll talk about sugar. in a minute next seed oils I think are a. problem at the level of the mitochondria.

because that linolic acid is the most. common most abundant polyunsaturated fat. that we consume today as westernized. Americans and that linolic acid. accumulates in the membranes of the. mitochondria and there's evidence from. animal models and cell culture that when. you have excess linolic acid from seed. oils in the mitochondrial membrane you. get proton leak. and if your the whole point of the. electron transport chain is to create a. gradient that the protons can flow down. to make ATP if you are leaking protons. across down the gradient you are making.

less ATP at the cellular membrane we. also know that excess linolic acid. excess polyant fats creates leak and. problems or overactivation of the sodium. potassium atpa that's all very technical. but suffy to say that my concern is that. when you stuff yourself full of seed. oils you you are creating an ATP leak in. your body you are not producing energy. as well and that leads to metabolic. dysfunction and that is actually the. root molecular cause what's the solution. stop eating so much linolic acid return.

to a historically accurate a. historically consistent amount of fat. we're doing these historically. inappropriate things right we're doing. historically inappropriate lights we're. doing historically inappropriate types. of fat humans are meant to be eating a. mix of saturated fat and monounsaturated. fat with a little bit of polyan. saturated fats we have far too much. polyan saturated fat today and I think. that's driving at a molecular level the. mitochondrial dysfunction that is. underlying insulin resistance and. metabolic dysfunction so the solution is.

simple return to what you've always been. doing remember that seed oils also. increase the propensity of LDL to. oxidize when it gets in that arterial. wall so in so many ways this. historically horrible industrial. processed oil full of hexane Benzene. derivatives oxidized oils antimon from. the plastic it's being stored in that. humans have never been exposed to which. is being sold to you as safe and healthy. by Harvard and Mayo because it lowers. your cholesterol based on a faulty. Paradigm of atherosclerosis is a major.

major driver of illness in humans today. so that's the seed oil story I'm sorry. that was so long. wow you were going to go into sugars. yeah so the second thing is. sugar the SEC sugar drives metabolic. dysfunction also but not in the way that. we think it does so this is another. interesting. story sucrose is a disaccharide of. glucose and fructose glucose and. fructose are monosaccharides sucrose is. a disaccharide starches are polymers of.

glucose when you have a fruit an apple I. gave you guys strawberries downstairs. right that has glucose and fructose in. it it has sucrose and it has some both. of those. sugars that if I give you a strawberry. that doesn't cause insulin resistance in. humans that's pretty clear both at as. associational or Interventional. level if I give you pure sugar which is. pure sucrose that's been refined out of. that strawberry or from sugar cane or.

from beets or I give you high fructose. Corin syrup which is a another. industrial byproduct from corn where. they take corn which only has glucose. and they isomerize it and they combine. it to make a high fructose corn syrup. which is entally like a fake sugar if I. give you either of those things it does. induce insulin resistance in humans it's. not because it raises your blood sugar. it's because it affects your gut. microbiome negatively so historically. humans would never have consumed sugar. without all of the other compounds in. that strawberry so that strawberry is a.

complex food it's not just sugar it's. red it has it tastes right there are. thousands of components in that. strawberry hundreds of different. chemicals in that strawberry that your. body is used to getting with that sugar. and whether it's strawberry or banana or. orange or honey any of these sugar. containing foods that humans have. historically. consumed these compounds prevent the. overgrowth of bacteria in our gut but if. you give a human pure sugar you get. disposes that is a strict fast Pathway.

to disbiosis if you want to if you want. to mess up the gut Flora give a human. sugar it doesn't matter if it's high. fructose corn syrup or pure sucrose it. doesn't look like it's good for humans. but if you give a human a banana it's. fine or even even like orange juice it. doesn't even have to have fiber because. orange juice has these same chemicals. there are naturally occurring chemicals. in fruit in honey that mitigate the. negative effects of sugar in our body so. sugar causes insulin resistance but not.

because of why we think it does we think. sugar causes insulin resistance because. it raises your blood sugar that's not. why it happens there are plenty of. cultures all over the world that have. 95% of their calories as carbohydrates. they don't get diabetes so insulin. induced insulin resistance is not the. pathology of carbohydrate that's not why. carbohydrates are bad carbohydrates are. not bad as a class it's processing of. carbohydrates that strips chemicals that. naturally occur with these that our body. has always expected that actually. prevent overgrowth of bacteria in the.

gut and there's plenty of studies that. show that if you give a human or You. Give a Mouse pure glucose pure fructose. or pure sugar you will get something. called endotoxemia metabolic endotoxemia. endotoxin is a word it's it's a synonym. for lipopolysaccharide. lipopolysaccharide is a component of a. bacterial cell wall a gram negative. bacterial cell wall so when you feed a. human pure sugar the wrong type of. bacteria overgrow this is disbiosis you. mess up the gut floraa and that. signaling of endotoxin it binds to tlr4.

which is toik receptor 4 and you get. cyto kindes tnf Alpha il6 and others. which signal inflammation in the human. body and your body says Whoa I've got an. infection but you don't have an. infection you just ate a bunch of sugar. and that causes you to become insulin. resistant due to an inflammatory. mechanism I think seed oils cause. insulin resistance at an energy. generation mechanism at a mitochondrial. electron level and sugar causes it at an. inflammatory level due to dispos in the. gut those are two major Pathways and.

again what have we done here all I'm. saying is don't eat processed food guys. like because if you eat single. ingredient Foods meat and plants fruits. and vegetables and meat you're not. getting seed oils and you're not getting. processed sugar problem solved humans. get healthy diabetes fixed obesity fixed. fixed heart disease fixed cancer mostly. fixed like that that's that's so easy. but. no Global energy balance Network Sean.

yeah just think about calories don't. think about food quality you can still. do the Coca-Cola you know this is this. is the problem here it's all kind of. connected right and because who gets. paid so yeah humans it's easy and it's. not that humans either need to eat. rabbit food or food that's not palatable. I mean I gave you raw steak earlier. because the airn be Grill was garbage. but you know I could have given you. cooked steak squash and strawberries. that's not horrible it's maybe not as. dopaminergic and as addicting as a Big.

Mac or Skittles but that's hardly. depriving yourself of like good tasting. food yeah so the answer is really simple. the molecular mechanisms I think are. important to explain so that people. understand what's going on beneath the. surface and why all this happens but. essentially what's happened is that in. the last 150 years all of these Foods. have come into the human food supply the. American food supply through the FDA. which really didn't do the right safety. trials on them and now we're just. metabolically broken but the way forward. is super simple we don't need AI.

vaccines you know we don't need crazy. things we we really don't even need glp1. ant agonists even though that helps some. people we don't need OIC we just need to. stop eating garbage food and return to. the foods that humans have always eaten. that's it's it's that simple it's crazy. you know I've heard you talk I think it. we talked about fruits we've talked. about Meats yeah talked about fish what. about you know it's it's would I be. wrong to say that you you you don't like. your vegetables vegetables are a whole.

separate thing yeah so for me. anecdotally cutting vegetables out. improved my Eczema what's your eczema. eczema was the the itchy rash that I had. okay yeah it's the autoimmune condition. that I have it often pairs with asthma. and and uh seasonal allergy. so for try to dub it down a little bit. yeah did I did I get too much for you. try to dub it down just a. hair so for a for a some.

people vegetables I think trigger the. immune system not for everyone so let's. just differentiate Fruit versus. vegetables vegetables are the leaves the. stems and The Roots and the seeds of. plants fruit is the often the colorful. sweet pack packaging around the seeds so. if I gave you a strawberry you know. that's a fruit a cucumber is actually a. fruit because it has seeds inside of it. an avocado is a fruit a squashes of. fruit right kale spinach those are. leaves those are vegetables okay um.

celery that's a stem that's a vegetable. asparagus that's a vegetable okay um. what are other good examples of. vegetables you know any Leaf stem root. or seed is a vegetable but a fruit is. different and you can see that. historically fruits are colorful and. they're sweet the plants are trying to. communicate to us eat this the plants. are also trying to communicate to us. don't eat my leaves cuz the plants need. their leaves to make photosynthesis the. leaves are a plant solar panels plants. are pretty incredible and they've been.

around you know as long as we have and. plants take energy from the Sun and make. it into glucose if we could do that we. would have the Obesity epidemic would be. solved right because you could just go. outside and get get energy right so. plants do this through a process called. photosynthesis and they sort of. chloroplast which is in some ways their. equivalent of a. mitochondria that's how they make energy. but they take sun energy and they make. it into glucose almost reverse of what. we do so plants make glucose but they.

need their solar panels and so humans. and plants have and animals animals. humans and plants have always. coexisted but if humans can just go eat. plants then all the plants are going to. be gone because plants can't run away. from us when you're hunting an animal we. were talking about hunting it's hard to. hunt deer MH or an antalope or a bison. uh they can run away or they can kick. you or Gore you or use their antlers. these animals have Mobility as a defense. mechanism generally or Venom right a.

snake or a scorpion or whatever plants. are just kind of stuck in the ground I. can just walk up to any plant outside. here and go start eating its bark so. that plant out of necessity historically. has developed or was created with. defense chemicals to dissuade insect. fungi humans animals from eating it. without regard to what's in it and this. is not the stuff of fairy tale it's not. opinion this is Botanical science plant. defense chemicals are real there are so. many plants that if we go eat them we'll.

die immediately right I mean think about. mushrooms there are so many poisonous. mushrooms that do this mushrooms are. kind of stuck in the ground too. mushrooms are a different story for the. most part but they're an interesting. story separate from Plants they're not. in the same Kingdom as plants they do. reverse respiration they inhale oxygen. and exhale carbon dioxide like us plants. inhale carbon dioxide exhale oxygen. because of photosynthesis so mushrooms. are interesting we can talk about them. too but the whole plant idea is that. plants out of necessity contain defense. chemicals and those defense chemicals.

can be harmful for humans at the level. of our gut at the level of our immune. system at the level of absorption of. nutrients and some people are uniquely. sensitive to plant defense chemicals. historically when hunter gatherers eat. vegetables they almost always ferment. them we don't do that so much think. about how we eat grains today and. haven't really mentioned grains a whole. lot I'm not a huge fan of grains I think. most humans get much healthier when they. stop eating grains probably because we. eat grains by just cooking them and that.

gets rid of some of the defense. chemicals but not all of the defense. chemicals so take oatmeal for instance. oatmeal oats are high in a compound. called phytic acid which is a big. molecule that keates minerals and if you. cook oats into oatmeal and oats are a. plant seed right that's been rolled into. like a little a little flat oat if you. cook oats in. oatmeal you degrade maybe 40% of the. phytic acid but still 60% is left. meaning that if you're eating oatmeal in. the morning for breakfast and say you're. putting milk on your oatmeal you're not. absorbing as much of the calcium or.

magnesium in the milk because the phytic. acid in the oats is binding it and it's. going out in your poop oats also contain. zinc but you're not absorbing much of. the zinc in oats because it contains. phytic acid so historically what would. humans have done to eat oats we would. have fermented it for days and this. makes this kind of nasty fermented sour. oat Mash but that's a much safer way to. eat oats you can degrade more than 90%. of the phytic acid and oats but you have.

to ferment it for 4 and a half days at a. temperature of 78 degrees fhe and a pH. of 4.8 it's possible but no one does. that right we go to the store and we get. Quake or oatmeal and we just put you. know oats are also full of saponins. which is another type of Defense. chemical that is not degraded with. cooking that is irritating for our gut. it's a defense chemical in oats many. oats today are contaminated with. glyphosate as a pesticide so grains are. plant seeds so seeds nuts grains and. beans are all plant seeds if you plant. those in the ground it grows into a. plant that means it's a seed so all of.

those have potential problems for humans. in the way that we digest them all of. those contain digestive enzyme. Inhibitors because plants don't want. them to get digested or plant DNA. doesn't move to the next Generation. plants are interested in reproducing. also we find meaning as humans moving. our DNA to the Next Generation that's. what we're kind of programmed to do some. would say that's the point of life I. think that that they might not be very. wrong in that plants do the same thing. plants want to move their DNA to the. Next Generation but because we coexist. with plants as do animals and other.

things that want to eat the plants. plants have defense chemicals so the. idea of shunning vegetables is most. applicable to those people that are very. immune sensitive if someone has an. autoimmune condition whether it's lupus. or shog or rheumatoid arthritis and. there are a lot of autoimmune conditions. in inflammatory battle disease is. autoimmune uh you know um my Eczema. psoriasis skin conditions these are all. autoimmune in that case I think it's. worth considering a trial a temporary. trial of vegetable elimination to see if.

your autoimmune disease gets better. interesting so I just did a podcast with. my friend when I was in DC her name is. Courtney Swan and this will be on her. podcast we talked about her fiance his. name is Hector and I'll tell the story. because it's so striking and I've heard. this over and over and over he's had. psoriasis for the 10 to 15 years they. tried everything she's in the health. space and they finally he just got fed. up and said I'm going to do a carnivore. diet and I said okay do carnivore plus. fruit do meat plus squash plus fruit and.

for the first time his sasis is getting. better it's almost completely resolved. no no no like this happens all. the time does everyone need to get rid. of all the vegetables no some people. with autoimmune disease Jordan Peterson. is a great example are uniquely. sensitive and autoimmune in an. autoimmune fashion and is it because of. her gut Flora is it because of exposures. I had as a kid is it because of my. genetics who knows vegetables are way. healthier than Snickers bars but for. some people eliminating vegetables.

results in incredibly just profound. immune resolution I don't know anybody. that would uh have a problem getting rid. of vegetables some people really like. vegetables Sean I every once in a while. I'm talking to somebody usually a girl. who says like but I like my vegetables I. think we've also been programmed to. believe that salad is good for us and I. think a lot of people use salad ladies. I'm talking to you as like just to fill. themselves up and they feel like that's. how they can lose weight that's the. wrong way to lose weight the way to lose. weight is to eat higher quality foods.

don't substitute lower nutrient density. Foods the other problem with vegetables. is that the nutrients and vegetables are. less bioavailable than they are in. animal Foods often so plant protein. animal protein you probably talked about. this with Gabrielle lion animal protein. is much more bioavailable about twice as. bioavailable is plant protein so 50 gram. of protein from tofu is not the same as. 50 grams of protein from a steak both in. terms of coexisting nutrients that you. get because there are many nutrients in. meat that occur only in animal Foods.

creatine carnitine ancine torine B12 K2. uniquely important vital role for humans. in their diets they don't occur in. plants plants may have other nutrients. that are useful for humans but nutrients. that occur in plants often not as bi. available so. 50 grams of protein from steak much more. bioavailable 50 grams of protein from. tofu you could eat twice as much tofu. but again you're still not getting any. of the nutrients and meat and I would. argue there are other downsides eating. tofu there is a study that shows that.

soy actually decreases Androgen receptor. density soy doesn't decrease. testosterone or sex hormones you heard. this term soy boys and the colloquial. notion is that soy decreases androgens. or testosterone that doesn't seem to. happen in humans based on what I've seen. but does decrease at least in one study. Androgen receptor density which is. interesting because in order for. testosterone to work it has to bind to a. receptor so I'm not a huge fan of soy. for a lot of reasons soy is also a.

hugely subsidized crop in the United. States we can talk about I think 45. billion um annually maybe I have to. check that but 45 billion potentially. annually in crop subsidies for soy and. all that soy most of that soy goes to um. soybean oil wow go the seed oils wow. well I mean we've covered a lot of. information here I'm on I'm on overload. but you know what I want to I didn't. mean to break your brain no no it's it's. good I'm going to have yeah lot of.

information in here but what I want to. get to as we kind of wrap this up is is. how do so we've all been eating. basically for damn near our entire life. if not our entire life so I did as a kid. what so is it reversible absolutely so. you move to single single ingredient. Foods move to high protein High meat. yeah fruits I mean does it does it does. it does your body cleanse itself.

absolutely how long does that take weeks. to months like we talked about weeks to. months weeks to months yeah humans see. radical changes let's talk about macros. for a second to give people the idea of. how to do this you don't have to move to. a lot of meat but I do think in terms of. protein fat and carbohydrate amounts you. want about one gram of protein per pound. of body weight from animal protein. that's important not plant protein. animal protein so I weigh 165 lbs on a. daily basis I'm thinking and this just. happens intuitively for me now I want.

about 165 grams of animal protein per. day I get that from meat I get it from. raw milk that's about it sometimes I get. it from protein powder if I'm on the go. and you know if you're using a protein. powder be aware there's a lot of junk. protein powders out there also you want. something good with like ingredients. your great grandmother would recognize. MH once you get 1 gram of protein per. pound of body weight from animal food. which is actually a little more than. most humans need the number is probably. 8 but if you aim for one you know you'll. probably get plenty you have fat and.

carbohydrates left and you can dial your. fat and carbohydrates based on how. active you are when I'm in Costa Rica. surfing for a few hours every day. skating doing a little bit of stuff. maybe some sprints on the treadmill. swimming in the pool with friends I eat. a lot of carbohydrates I personally. which doesn't work for everyone often. have 300 G carbohydrates a day from. honey from fruit from squash not. everyone needs 300 grams of. carbohydrates a day but I think it's. important to at least track and know. what you feel good with I think. individually that difference between fat.

and carbohydrates is going to be. something that you'll have to figure out. for yourself some people do a little. better with more fat some people do. better with more carbohydrates I. wouldn't do no carbohydrates I wouldn't. do keto for most people ketogenic diets. have applications if you have epilepsy. uh Advanced dementia but I think for. most people people a ketogenic diet is. not needed to be optimally healthy and. it can have some downsides to it. electrolyte. insufficiency you know energy production. issues stress on the human body so. getting enough carbohydrates I think.

from more bioavailable less toxic. sources so get rid of the grains would. be my advice to most people or ferment. the heck out of your. grains fruit honey raw dairy that's if. you get carbohydrates from there and. then you get fat just along with your. food a lot of times if you're eating. animal meat and you're not looking for. the leanest animal meat because now. you're no longer fearing saturated fat. then you're getting fat with your Foods. you're eating oh God that that fat. carbohydrate ratio can be determined. person to person I am probably 15 to 20%.

of my calories as protein more likely. 17% I'm about 35 to 40% of my calories. as carbohydrates and the rest is fat on. a daily basis depending what I'm doing. so just to give people a baseline. everybody's not going to be the same as. me so is there is there anything people. can do to speed this up um you know we. we talked weeks months possibly a year I. mean what about some of these things. people are doing like plasma. exchange the reason I believe the reason.

plasma exchange works well plasma. exchange is just plasma maybe you're. maybe you're cleaning out some of the. broken proteins I mean that might help. the blood transfusions are interesting. this idea of like you know getting blood. from a younger human I'm not advocating. for this but you see it in animal. studies right and the reason it works. mechanistically which is why this is. interesting is because you are getting. cells that have membranes that are not. as full of polyunsaturated fatty acids. that's that's why I think it works so.

you can recreate that in your own body. but in animal studies and some people. have dabbled with this as humans. although it's super controversial when. this happens right and this is like the. conspiracy theories getting blood from. kids or something that's not what I'm. advocating for but in animal studies you. can see that if you give the blood from. a young animal to an older Animal the. older animal does better and vice versa. older Animal to younger animal younger. animal does worse aging blood is often. just full of all of these components in. this garbage food and this linolic acid. is accumulating in our membranes so I.

really think. that the the better you make your diet. the faster you will you will heal okay. and of course again all of this is. framed in the part of our earlier. conversation which is that's difficult. you know behaviorally TimeWise that's. difficult but I would say it's a. geometric progression like the more you. improve the quality of your diet the. faster you're going to feel better and I. think nearly invariably you will feel. better and it doesn't have to happen. overnight um other things I mean I think.

peptides have applications in certain. individuals if you work with a qualified. provider get to the root cause don't use. peptides trt or any of these therapies. without correcting the actual Foundation. which is how you eat and how you live so. you can speed it up I think most people. um if they're very sick should consider. that but it can be used as an adjunct. interesting you know one of your one of. your guys was asking me about trt. earlier and I'll just make a comment. about that if it's okay so he was he.

said what do you think about trt and I. said I think most men who go on trt do. so without having their doctors really. try and figure out what's causing the. testosterone to be. low um as an example I'll use myself I'm. 47 I take no drugs nor hormones I've. never done trt and my testosterone is. 850 so I have a normal healthy. testosterone for a a man who's nearly 50. years old I know that there are some men. who have had injury to the testicles and.

rugby or something or they've had PTSD. or concussive injury traumatic brain. injury and that can affect the. production at the level of the pituitary. to the the gatot tropins that tell the. testicles to make testosterone so there. are some actual. physical reasons for the testicles not. to make an EST enough testosterone but I. think that the majority of men with low. testosterone are sleeping like crap and. they're eating like crap and if you fix. those two things you can probably. correct the root cause of your low. testosterone and you may not need trt.

because trt it you know it's not a bad. thing for humans but it's not normal. circadian biology in terms of How It's. fluctuating in a day and often times it. can affect fertility and sometimes it. causes the the testicles to stop making. as much testosterone which leads to. dependence on long term so before you go. on trt work with someone who can think. about what you're eating and how you're. living and maybe that. helps great advice great advice well doc. I appreciate you coming and you all.

right I got a lot to think about too. much be making a lot of changes and uh. and uh I can't wait to talk to my wife. about some of this Stu how's your. diet it's getting better yeah it's. getting better so yeah have you heard of. the Yuka app by chance I have yeah I. haven't used it and I'm not sure that I. would always agree with their their. assessment of those things but I'd be. curious yeah you know I'm not saying. that I buy off on everything either but. but um that got introduced to me I don't.

know maybe about 6 months ago and the. thing I like about it is you know it. talks about all the additives and. like that and so so you know sometimes. like I mentioned at the beginning you. know being an entrepreneur being busy. all the time and um and a lot of travel. and stuff I mean for somebody like me. that's not educated in nutrition or the. medical field I mean I I think we talked. about educating the public at the. beginning and I'm not affiliated with. them I I would love to be but um but uh.

I don't you know I don't get anything. out of calling them out but I think it's. a good I mean for me it was a good start. into you know you scan the barcode and. you see these things you think might be. healthy and you scan the damn barcode. and they rate it one out of 100 and it's. like oh this is a 15 and it's like oh. like I thought this so I think it's. I think it's a great way for people on. the move that are busy yeah um to to at. least get somewhat of a handle on on.

what they are consuming and it will tell. you it's like these are the additives. these are the things that the additives. are known to cause you know Health. deficiencies and and diseases and such. and um and so it's been it's it's really. revolutionized my diet. so the thing I'll say about Yuka I've. seen some examples and it I think I. could be wrong about this I think it. doesn't like saturated fat real I just I. just look at the additives you know what. I mean I didn't I didn't look at you.

know it's like yeah I can scan my gummy. bears and I know they're and I know. you know what I mean we'll make them. better we're going to make them better. but what I'm saying is you know it's. it's like at least I don't have all the. additives going into my body and and. once we get the additives out then we'll. move into you know some of the other. stuff like what you're talking about. what about seed oils are you aware of. seed oils in your diet I'm not you're. the first person I've really kind of dug. into on this and this has been a.

discussion uh I just had Gabriel Lions. on she was kind of saying that you know. there is no proof that Co oils are are. bad for you oh I disagree with her on. that I yeah major disagreement she was. going to get some Flack from from. talking about that but but you know all. in all you know for people that don't. have the time to do a deep dive study. like I just did with you yeah uh I think. you know I think that's a I think it's a. good start you know and there's I know. there's a couple other apps I think. there's one called Bobby approved or.

something yeah that's my friend Bobby. Parish yeah maybe I should make an app. too um but uh it's I mean it's it is. helping people man it's helping. thousands thousands of people make make. more conscious uh better decisions with. their food including me do we have a. minute or two for me to respond that. from Gabrielle about the seed oils yeah. go ahead okay so this actually really. kind of grinds my gears I didn't know. that she felt that way I'm going to have. to have to have have a discussion maybe. I can have a friendly debate with her on. my podcast but she is saying that based.

on randomized control trials with seed. oil so earlier in the podcast we talked. about the history of seed oils they've. never been in the human diet they're. much more prevalent than they ever were. they increase the propensity of LDL to. become oxidized they become incorporated. into membranes they lead to proton leak. at the level of mitochondria they lead. to over activation of the sodium. pottassium. atpa and the proponents of seed oils. because there are actually people out. there who say there's no evidence. they're bad we'll look at randomized. controlled trials with seed oils which. are the gold standard the problem with.

the randomized controlled trials with. seed oils is the majority of them were. done in fact all of them were done. between 1950 and 1985 and between 1950. and 1985 we didn't understand that trans. fat was harmful for humans and so I. would tell this to Gabrielle. respectfully if you actually look at. those randomized control trials which is. what everyone who says seed oils are. benign or there's no evidence for them. being harmful if you look at those. randomized controlled trials you need to. throw the majority of them out because. there are trans fats in the control. groups of those trials whether you're.

talking about the finished mental health. study or you're talking about you know. the dart trial or you know St Thomas re. uh uh angiography re U St Thomas uh. angiography uh study there's so many of. these trials that have trans in the. control group or that are multifactorial. interventions so I've been trying to. organize a debate um about this and. really show people and at the top of my. ex is a thread pinned where I go through. all 11 randomized control trials on.

seedo and I break every single one of. them down and I show people how badly. these trials have been done and the only. way that I think anyone could come to. the conclusion that seed oils that. there's no evidence they're harmful for. humans is to not have read those trials. and to not understand how flawed they. are because there are many trials the. Sydney diet heart study the Minnesota. coronary study um The Rose corn oil. trial which all show that seed oils. increase the risk of heart disease in. relative to saturated fats from animals. the problem is that there are many other.

trials that get thrown into a meta. analysis and then Darius mazharian or. Hamley writes has a forest plot and. they're using faulty trials in their. meta analysis and so that's really the. conversation that I think needs to be. had that anyone who thinks that seed. oils are Ben needs to take another look. at the studies and realize the studies. that you are citing are badly flawed and. I think that the best trials with seed. oils versus saturated fact clearly show. they're harmful and to be frank we need. another trial we need a trial that's.

done in 2025 we need a trial that shows. that that answers this question now. because we cannot fully rely because. doctors are not reading the studies. because they're coming to conclusions. like that so I appreciate Gabrielle I. respect your opinion and I disagree with. that very strongly if you actually read. the trial so that's it's important. because there are many very intelligent. well-intentioned people I shouldn't say. many there are a few intelligent. well-intentioned people out there saying. that there's no evidence SE are harmful. and like man put me in the ring well I. hope you guys have that debate let's go.

yeah let's go love to see it I think. just use your intuition is what I would. say to people you know I'm sorry I got. too a little technical there no no it's. all no that wasn't a hit that's good you. know what I mean use your intuition you. know like eat single ingredient Foods. eat food that your great-grandmother. would recognize and you'll be fine and. Seed oils are not on that list and if. people want to get super technical I'm. happy to go to the m with them and show. them like this actual problems with all. these studies they think are vindicating. or benign for seed oils and it's just.

it's not true so it's a big deal it's. important that we have these. conversations though because people get. confused yeah and then you have people. putting sunflower oil or canola oil on. their food and I think that's a real. contributor to human to problems with. the human health long term yeah well doc. I wish you the best of luck I hope to. see you again too can't down in Costa. Ric we won't it it'll be much more fun. than we'll be surfing we won't be so. technical oh I had a great time great. appreciate. [Music].

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