Nick Bryant - Epstein's Secret Black Book | SRS #84

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can monetize them make money all we ask. is that you tag the show ladies and. gentlemen without further Ado please. welcome investigative journalist Nick. Bryant to the Shawn Ryan Show love you. all enjoy the. [Music]. show Nick Bryant welcome to the show. well thanks for having Sean appreciate.

it it's an honor to have you here it's a. honor to be on your show so we I guess I. should say we I have been fascinated. with the Jeffrey Epstein topic ever. since it kind of came to light and um. I've been looking for somebody that. really knows the ins and outs and all. the little details of what was going on. in there took a it took a little bit for. us to find somebody but you are the. perfect fit and um I just I cannot wait. wait to dive in and see what kind of.

information you've uncovered. unfortunately it's the government that's. with abstein we have the government. aiding betting child trafficking which. is ultimately very sorted but uh but. it's something and and it goes against. our grain the values of Americans it's. it's an athma to our values but it's. something that we have to straighten out. um as a society to make sure that this. doesn't happen again.

yeah the uh the US government seems to. be at the center of a lot of issues. today yes but uh I want to give you a. quick intro here so Nick Bryant you're. an advocate and published writer focused. on topics such as the plight of. disadvantaged children in the US you. spent seven years investigating Coast to. Coast child trafficking networks author. of the Franklin Scandal which we'll get. into a little bit an investigator of the. Epstein Network and published Epstein's.

little black book that uh we all hear. all about and. um what so before we kind of really get. going I'm just curious what got you. started in in the. trafficking genre bringing awareness to. to that what happened i' uh I'd written. a lot about children's issues that's a a. topic that's near and dear to my heart. is children's issues uh mostly lower.

socioeconomic children and the travails. and I ultimately co-authored a book. called America's children Triumph for. tragedy um that looked at a lot of the. shortcomings that are our our country. pays great lip service to children as. its most precious resource but as I. showed in America's children trium for. tragedy um the resources aren't. allocated to for children that the way. that they should be and uh so I that's. an issue that's very very very close to.

my heart and I was and I'm I was a. writer and journalist in Minnesota for a. number of years and then I ultimately. moved to New York City and um I started. writing for magazines there and um and I. was pitching an editor at Rolling Stone. and um I said well you know what do you. want me to write an article about and he. goes pit me dark stories and you know I. I didn't had no idea what how I said you.

know I kind of threw my arms up in there. I said Nazis satanists you know I mean. how dark you want to get and uh and I'd. written some dark stories before that's. maybe why he thought I'd specialized in. darkness so um so he and you can kind of. tell editors their eyes you know there's. a little Sparkle when you when you when. you hit something that they and and when. I said Satan Satanism and he goes.

satanists and um I I could see that. little glint in his eye so um I wasn't. really well versed in the subject but I. started looking. into the ult fraternities and the the. darker ult fraternities and um and then. I I talked to various satanists very. stripes and um I found them to be kind. of an unsavory group um but my job was.

to write an article and I kind of had a. simple plan um I was going to cultivate. a relationship. with some of these people and then. ultimately attend a dark Mass write a. book about it or black mass and and then. write an article about it and um and. then I came across this us customers. report when you're a writer and a lot of. writers will talk about this when you're. a writer you're although you're looking. at a certain subject you're always.

serving the net for stuff that's. tangental to it or or or that's related. to it and I came across this US Customs. report about a cult called the finders. um they had a couple of warehouses in. Washington DC and two finders had been. busted in talahasse Florida with six. children and the six children were like. regam muffins and some concerned. citizens called the Talahassee police. department and then the Talahassee. Police Department went to that Park and.

saw the kids and saw the two finders and. they arrested the finders and put the. kids in child protective uh services and. what happened there was and and then. these two finders were charged with. multiple counts of child abuse and the. US Customs got involved because there. was uh child pornography and um and the. DC police the finders had warehouses in. DC and the D DC police had been.

interested in the finders for quite some. time are the finders the folks involved. in the Frank Franklin Scandal no no it's. it was kind of my segue into the into. the Franklin Scandal so with the finders. the DC police and the US Customs. executed a search warrant on the. warehouses of the finders and they. found really very incriminating stuff. and the kids were being held in. Tallahassee and actually a doctor had. said that two of the kids have been.

sexually abused so what happened was I. I've got the US customer report and the. US customer report is so mindboggling. that I put the entire US Customs report. in the back of the Franklin Scandal so. what happens is that investigation is. going Full Throttle you've got the. talahasse police department involved. you've got US Customs involved you've. got uh DC police involved and then you. had the FBI involved and then all of a. sudden and and it said this on the. report report that the investigation of.

the finers to become a quote unquote CIA. internal matter and there'll be no more. investigation so I read that document. and I was just stunned I was thinking. this does not match the world that I. live in and that opened my mind up to. looking for other scenarios that might. be like that where there might be. trafficking children and then. intelligence was involved and then that. led me to the Frank Scandal um it was it.

was on the internet there was a lot of. uh talk about a lot of postings about. this pedophile Network in Omaha Nebraska. and this former state senator his name. was John de Camp he had written a book. about it and I read the book I didn't. the book. um I didn't think was really well done I. mean it wasn't it wasn't like a regular. journalist but actually. um Yorkshire television in the UK had.

made a documentary about it and that. documentary had been. quashed so and and you could get the. documentary on the internet so I got the. documentary and you know I had a bunch. of my friends come to my apartment and I. like gave showings of it and I say am I. losing my mind or is you know does this. look ominous to you and um they all said. you know this is very ominous so I went. to OHA I knew that something had.

happened in Omaha Nebraska but I wasn't. sure exactly what had happened I thought. that there had been some kids molested. in Omaha but the internet was talking. about kids being flown from coast to. coast intelligence involved um boy toown. students which boy toown is probably the. most famous orphan Edge in in the world. talked about all these things and I was. I was skeptical I mean I really tried to. keep my mind open but I was skeptical. but when I got. there.

um I started to talk to people well. let's we'll get into that in just a. second sure I wanted um I want to ask. why. is mean it's it's a fairly obvious. question I guess it should be near and. dear to everybody's heart but what is it. specifically. that Drew you to Bringing exposure to. child trafficking and so and sex. exploitation and all of that well.

because with the Franklin Scandal and. also with the Epstein. Scandal you've got child trafficking. that's being covered up and as I I came. across the Franklin Scandal 21 years ago. and as I've dug deeper and deeper into. this I. have I've been embraced by. anti-trafficking organizations and I've. spoken at anti-trafficking conferences. and I've met a lot of people that have.

been trafficked and no one has paid for. it yeah and that's just something there. there has to there has to be Justice the. government cannot be covering up child. trafficking on any level local state. federal no one should be covering up. child trafficking you know you had. mentioned something earlier I can't. remember your exact words but you were. saying. that basically I think in essence you're. saying that the government doesn't take. this seriously and the the allotted.

funding and and and the focus on. trafficking. is it's almost not even there I mean I I. went to a a fundraiser for one of those. organizations recently and there was a. gentleman that spoke he was the head of. Homeland Securities division in this and. he said there are only 8,000 agents. only 8,000 agents out there that are.

combating sex trafficking and sex. exploitation for children meanwhile it's. a $150 billion a year business that we. know about there are. 366 million videos out there of children. being sexually exploited that we know. about and there's only 8,000. and I'm not talking about 8,000 in the.

United States 8,000 in the entire world. are working on this stuff 8,000 in the. entire. world that shows you right there that. this is not a priority for any. government any. agency I mean it's ridiculous which. makes me think they're all in on. it well there's a lot of child. trafficking that has been covered up I.

mean we know of child trafficking that's. been covered up in the United States we. know of child trafficking a huge I'm. talking huge networks that have been. covered up in the UK that have been. covered up in Belgium that have been. covered up in Spain that have been. covered up in Argentina I'm I mean that. have been covered up in. Mexico there's a lot of child. trafficking networks that have been. covered up and we need and we see this. Epstein is right in our face I mean we. know that Epstein was trafficking all.

kinds of girls to numerous perpetrators. and only one person has been indicted. for those crimes and that's glan Maxwell. when we know that there's scores of. people that were involved in those. crimes so we our government has to have. the. will to go after traffickers and child. pornography and our government just. doesn't show the will now but it's going. to be up to the American people. ultimately um the American people have. to put put their foot down and say no.

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have been covered up and this is. something that the government should not. be involved in is covering up child. trafficking that which is essentially. Aid and ab betting child trafficking so. we're at a point now where we have to. put our foot down and say that's it no. more we we need those Este steam. perpetrators indicted we need those. epsteam procurers indicted and we're not. going to settle for anything less that's. what we. need let's talk a little bit about. the Franklin Scandal before we get into.

Epstein cuz that was your first big book. um Franklin Scandal book it's about an. alleged child prostitution ring out of. Omaha Nebraska that took place in around. 1988 um managed by Lawrence King if I'm. correct there were there were two. primary pimps Lawrence king of Omaha. Nebraska and Craig Spence of Washington. DC the victim's age from R the victim.

the victim's ages range from 18 or I'm. sorry 8 years old to 14 years old and. let's just let's just start there well. with the Franklin Scandal I went to. Omaha I knew that something had gone. down with the Franklin Scandal um but. there was there was all kinds of. Internet speculation and I didn't know. how much of that was Apocrypha and how. much of it wasn't so when I went to. Omaha the first time and I went there a.

number of times um but when I went to. Omaha the first time I knew that. something had going on but I thought it. was a local pedophile ring not like a a. nationwide Network um I didn't think it. was involved in blackmail um I thought. that local law enforcement had probably. covered it up and not federal law. enforcement. so when I got to Omaha the first time I. realized that it was much bigger and. uglier than I ever could have imagined. and I took some heat I I had like a.

death threat and um and I was followed. from who um a woman it was funny I was. staying with a friend of mine I I I told. my friend you know I'm going to look. into this thing and I'd known him for. many years since I was a teenager and um. I said I'm going to look into this thing. and we hadn't hung out in a while so I'm. going to look into this thing and you. know see what's what's happening and. then um you know then we'll hang out and. go do some stuff and um so I told him I.

went the first night I was there we were. having dinner I told him about what I. was looking into do you know and he he. looked at me like you know are you sure. and I said well yeah I'm I'm going to. check this out so I was staying at his. place when a woman came to the door and. said uh and and and you know he was. there so and she said you're in a great. deal of danger and they're going to kill. you and and she was a freaky looking.

woman and uh now my buddy had started. I'd been there for about a week and my. buddy had started to come around with. some of the stuff that I was reporting. back to him but then that woman coming. to his door um and dispensing that um. well you know it made both of us uh we. didn't sleep very easily that. night but here's the thing by that time. I'd come to the conclusion this was a. huge Network it had been in operation.

for at least a decade and multiple. children were. destroyed and I don't have a family I'm. not married I don't have children I can. take risks that that other people. wouldn't be comfortable taking risks and. I just said you know this is too evil. um and it was covered up by both federal. and state law enforcement and. authorities and and I I just said this. what was done here was just too evil I'm.

not going to quit um you know. if if I get killed I get killed I mean. but I'm I'm not going to quit doing this. I'm I'm going to expose this to the best. of my. ability and that started my Odyssey did. you did this go on the harassment from. whoever it was continue There was. harassment I think a lot of harassment. was through at me the first time I was. there and they thought well you know.

he's probably a journalist from New York. and you know we'll never see him. again but there was. harassment subsequently um but nothing. like it was initially I mean that was. the only time I had like an over death. thread was was the first time I was. there but I was so committed to doing it. at that point that whatever whatever. difficulties I was going to have um I I.

was I was willing to endure them to get. this story out um because as I said this. network that I wrote about in the. Franklin scale it had been in operation. for about 10 years and it had D. destroyed scores of children and um and. it had been covered up by federal and. state law enforcement and I just said. this. cannot this cannot stand I mean. something something has to be done about. this and I'm going to write a book about.

it and hopefully I can get it. published and I was represented by a. relatively big literary agent at that. point and I gave them the book proposal. and then within two weeks I was no. longer a client of theirs and then um. and then um I knew James Fitzgerald he. was an agent he's since passed away and. then and he ran a good agency I mean he. had a he had published a number of.

popular books or facilitated the. publishing a number of popular books and. he couldn't sell it I mean I'd met with. some Publishers and they were just. concerned about liel and um finally. there was a small publisher outside of. Eugene Oregon that was willing to and by. that time there were um and I don't know. if your uh listeners and viewers are. familiar with the mations of a grand. jury but with a grand jury grand juries.

are notorious for covering stuff up. because a special prosecutor is show is. picked to prosecute a grand jury and. Grand jurors are just citizens that have. shown up for jury duty that have been. funneled to a grand jury so and and the. special. prosecutor calls the witnesses and also. picks the evidence that's shown to the. Grand jurs and it's not adversarial it's. just one-sided and and and then. everything is sealed and it's against.

the law to talk about it so um there was. a New York judge that said uh Supreme. Court judge that said special Pro. special prosecutors have so much power. over Grand jurors that they could get. them to indict a ham sandwich and so. with this case the Franklin case I. managed to get the sealed grand jury and. testimony one of the grand juries and I. bring the view the reader right into. that grand jury and and I show how. corrupt it is and cuz that grand jury. declared that all these kids getting.

abused was a carefully crafted hoax but. it didn't even name who the hoaxers were. it it kind of pinned like the hoax on a. bunch of drug adult kids um which uh was. I mean and then a Federal grand jury. said the same thing that was that was. equally corrupt and and there again you. just need one guy one special prosecutor. who's corrupt and then he can get the. grand jurors to do whatever they want. them to do so these two grand juries had.

said that there was no child abuse and. then but after I got the sealed. testimony and Exhibits of one of those. grand juries I I mean at that point I. was really able to write the book um. because it the exhibits gave me a lot of. information and then I was able to show. just exactly how one of the grand. jurries had been. co-opted Wow Let's talk about a little. bit about what was going on there so. there uh there was alleged abuse it was. widespread series of crimes including.

devil worship cannibalism drug. trafficking and ca's arm deals okay so. that comes from the Wikipedia page okay. and the Wikipedia page. is. farle um I've if if you go on my website. I go to the W I've got a link to the. Wikipedia talk page cuz you've got like. the Wikipedia page and then you've got. like the talk section. and that uh Wikipedia page has been.

taken over by people that want to make. this. nonsensical okay. and there's pages and pages and pages of. debate and actually I called Jimmy Wales. who started uh Wikipedia I'm a pretty. good investigator I was able to get his. private cell phone number and um I. called him up and I said you know you're. my last hope for making this w IIA page. read realistically and um and he was.

completely unwilling to help me um I'm. actually I'm going to release that. conversation um on my website in the in. the relatively near future what did he. say why would he why wouldn't he um he. said that well I'm going to look into it. send me some emails and uh so I sent him. some emails and um and then he said that. he didn't get them I texted him I just I. don't understand why there are so many. people in powerful positions that.

protect. pedophiles why would you not want to. protect the children why does everybody. in a power I guess I shouldn't say. everybody but it it seems to me the more. I dive into this. subject the more I see the the more. Elite status you have the more compliant. you are with. pedophiles and sex trafficking and sex. exploitation is it what is it well I. think people um reach a.

certain Plateau socioeconomic plateau. and they're afraid of losing what they. have and they're afraid of not getting. what they want I mean I I think it's. that. simple and when I saw like some of the. so you're just saying that it's GRE. money if you're not into pedophilia it's. fear the the fear that you I mean you.

place more important you have more value. on money than you do on little kids. absolutely and your status and your. house payments and your car payments and. your kids college there were some people. that covered this up that were. definitely compromised pedophiles and. that that's one thing about our. political system is that Americans and. that's why there's so much blowback on. that Wikipedia page is the people that. are in control of the Wikipedia page on.

the Franklin Scandal um they want to. make sure that it doesn't come out that. the government has covered up that. pedophile Network and they want to make. sure that blackmail because blackmail. plays an integral role and I've been at. this for 21 years and Epstein had. cameras in all of his homes I mean. Epstein was definitely a blackmail. artist and the government wants to make. sure sure that that is not does not come.

out um that a huge part of our political. system is predicated on blackmail and. especially. if that dark malignant corner of the. intelligence that is using blackmail. against our politicians and other people. if they were using children I mean that. would make some that would make the. American people erupt so that's why that. Wikipedia page is locked down and that's. why this is important this is um for. them. dark corner of intelligence this is.

Omaha Beach um you know they're not. going to give an inch because this is. the last thing that they want out and. it's. amazing how the Epstein Scandal has been. able has been covered up if you look at. all the victims and all the perpetrators. and all the procurers involved in the. Epstein Network I mean we're talking. score and and and the people that. facilitated it like the pilots and like. Epstein's house managers and and the.

cooks and everybody else we're talking. scores and scores of people and no one's. been indicted except for glain Maxwell. um and and that really shows that our. government. unfortunately wants to stop it there our. government does not I mean although. Americans do I think are are coming. around to the belief that AB was taking. part in blackmail or or a lot of them um. it doesn't make sense why is our.

government eating and betting child. trafficking and. unless they're protecting some very. powerful people and a a political. process it doesn't make sense yeah I. mean that's the only way that it makes. sense yeah and I saw that with the. Franklin Scandal too. um that's and actually I think the. Franklin Network might have been bigger. than Epstein's Network how many kids. were involved in the Franklin Scandal um. it's difficult to know but it was it was.

operational for about 10 years and it. was getting kids from like boy toown and. what's boy toown it's a Catholic. orphanage it's probably the most famous. orphanage in in the world and it was it. was getting kids that fell between the. cracks I mean people like ebstein and. and and then like the uh the Catholic. church has a long history of being. involved in this of stuff yeah you know. so that's I mean unfortunately I hate to.

say it I was raised Catholic but you. know it's no I guess it's it doesn't. come to me as a surprise although. probably wouldn't come to me as a. surprise if it was any. other you just have seen I've seen so. many you know this Minister this guy. this priest this you know it's all it's. all they've all partaken unfortunately. the number two guy at uh boy toown. Father James Kelly he molested a bunch.

of kids in Upstate New York and then the. Catholic church and its Infinite Wisdom. moved him to Boy town where he molested. a bunch of other kids and then. eventually they moved him to uh a prison. in Las. Vegas so because I have come across a. lot of kids that were molested by Father. Kelly or James Kelly at at boy toown and. I think that he was part of that net. work because if the priests um gave the.

kids. privileges no one would argue with that. so I think that Kelly was a compromised. pedophile and that he gave King at all. access to the boy toown kids and then I. and then I've got um I've got a paper. trail between boy toown and Lawrence Z. King one of the the primary pimps of the. of of the Franklin Scandal Network so um. there's there's a lot of connections. there but I think Father Kelly was and.

then there was another priest there that. was uh sent to Argentina you know I mean. at a certain point sent to Argentina. yeah so um but Father James Kelly was uh. I mean he was a major predator and. he prayed on God knows how many boys in. Upstate New York and and prayed on God. knows how many and and with boy toown. you know these are lower. socioeconomic kids from lower.

socioeconomic backgrounds dysfunctional. families and at BO toown they're being. taken care of you know they're being fed. well they're they're getting a good. education a lot of them want to stay. there because it's the safest place. they've ever. been and a predator like Father James. Kelly knows that and it just it gives. him cart launch to to pray on kids and. and actually boytown has gone to bat for. him because there's been people that.

have tried to litigate against Kelly um. and the only reason why boytown hasn't. paid out substantial settlements is. because of the statute of limitations. they've hid behind the statute of. limitations and and they're. making millions of dollars in donations. boy toown how how how did this network. work who all was involved so there were. two primary pimps uh Lawrence King and. Craig. Spence.

King King and Spence were in Southeast. Asia during. Vietnam King was in Thailand with a top. security clearance I don't know exactly. what he was doing but he had a top. security clearance and Spence was an ABC. reporter in Vietnam so I'm surmising. that both of them now and they both came. from. workingclass blue hler families um and.

I'm surmising that they both both of. them got busted um molesting kids in. Southeast Asia and that's where they. were turned because as soon as they came. back to the United States their careers. just became it was like a. Skyrocket um Lawrence C king became the. uh manager of the Franklin credit union. and went from like $117,000 a year to. making millions I mean a lot of that was.

it begotten and Craig Spence went from. uh ABC correspondent in Vietnam to a. major power broker in Washington DC as. soon as he got back and Craig Spence. would have these huge parties at his. place he's he's very much like the. Epstein character in the Franklin. Scandal um he his house was wired for. audiovisual. blackmail and um what would happen. happen at those parties is it would be. like uh a bunch of power Brokers would.

be invited um you name I mean it was a. who's who of Washington DC in the 1980s. would go to Craig fen's place and there. would be a lot of times if if there. wasn't just like outright pedophilic. orgies or orgies I mean it would be like. a a cocktail party a Washington DC. cocktail party and people would be plied. with alcohol and um and then maybe at 10. or 11: something sexually inappropriate.

would happen or someone would fire up a. joint or break out a line of coke or or. whatever and the people that were you. know didn't want any part of that would. leave but the people that wanted to be. part of that would stay and then his. entire house was weed for audiovisual. blackmail so if you stayed you got. blackmailed that was. it and I wrote a second book. about I I wrote a book called.

confessions of AD DC Madam um the. politics of sex lives and blackmail with. Henry Vincent and Henry Vincent used to. give uh um Craig Spence used to get gay. escorts from Henry Vincent he ran a gay. escort service um and we're talking in. the mid1 1980s Craig Spence was spending. $25,000 a month on gay escorts for for. him and his. buddies. and and Spence ran this pedophile. Network together and um and they would.

get Henry they Vincent and and Henry was. and and actually there's there is some. comedic elements to this Henry was a. mortician he was um he had grown up in. Southwest West Virginia in a very. religious home and and he was gay and he. had to repress that and um and he. ultimately became a funeral director. mortian and moved to Washington DC for.

his Mortuary fortuns and then through. just a weird set of. circumstances he he there was a couple. of game morticians that would hang out. at this bar which was kind of like the. gay equivalent to Chip andales and Henry. met one of the dancers and they went out. for dinner and the dancer told Henry. that um that a escort service was up for. sale um because the guy was dying of. AIDS and and Henry said well you know.

how much can you make and the guy said. well you know I can make like a thousand. uh a night if everything is right and. then Henry said well how much is the is. he selling it for and it was like. $133,000 so Henry went from and and. Henry is a very shy guarded guy who um. had lived in the closet for all these. years and he just it was completely out. of character for him to do this but he.

did it and he's was a very brilliant. marketer um what he did was after he. bought it he called all the numbers in. the DC Yellow Pages under escorts male. escorts and most escort agencies are Fly. by Night and they don't pay their phone. bill so Henry would dial one of the. numbers and if the number was. disconnected he would call the phone. company and say I will pay the AAR on. that phone number so he ended up with.

half the numbers in the Yellow Pages of. of of escort services he's very. brilliant that way with marketing but. anyway so and everything was going. really well for him he was working as a. funeral director and he was making a lot. of money at this gay escort service and. then he got a call from Craig Spence. that CI asset and um and they and then. King and Spence would have Henry come to. his home and they would pressure Henry. to get him children and he wouldn't do.

it he said you know I'm not I'm not. going to I I want no part of that and um. and and this is kind of interesting um. and there's a lot of corroboration about. blackmail in the Franklin scan not just. this but um so King and Spence were. there and Henry was there and and Henry. didn't like King at all um and Spence. was I mean they're both sociopaths but. um but Spence started to ask Henry about. his life um you know where did you grow.

up and what college did you go to and. about his and Henry because Spence was. so narcissistic he had seismic. narcissism Henry thought like he was. watching the Red Sea party that you know. this narcissist was actually taking an. interest in him so and Spence started. asking him about his escort service and. how he ran his escort service and um and. then all of a sudden Spence stood up and. EM motioned him and um and Spence went.

into a closet and behind the closet was. this uh this compartment and then behind. the compartment was a room and it was. all. monitors and Henry was there next to. Spence and then Spence hit a couple of. buttons and then Henry is there on a. monitor talking about his escort service. and Spence basically said to him I. blackmail people. you're blackmailed so that was how Henry.

got indoctrinated into that but you know. to his credit he would not get them. children he just wouldn't he wouldn't do. it and that ultimately I think began Le. led to his demise um because the uh. Department of Justice came after him. pretty hard wow wow. what was there any justice served the. there none none whatsoever um that. Franklin network no one got uh indicted.

for molesting any children and then. there was a DC grand jury that covered. it all up basically uh Spence had killed. himself he's like abstein um I I do. think now there's people that on the. internet that speculate that Spence um. was murdered I I think Spence was. told either you kill yourself or will'll. kill you you can pick the time and the. place if you kill yourself um cuz his.

suicide was pretty bizarre he was in the. Boston Ritz Carlton dressed in a tuxedo. and he overd drove St an antidepressent. called n. tripoline but anyway so there were all. these articles about blackmail going. down by the Washington times and then. the Washington Post was covering up for. the government saying that there was no. blackmail and uh but Henry Vinson who. the guy was just running a gay escort. service and he was indicted on a 46. count Rico indictment he was looking at.

295 years in prison CU what the. government was doing was leveraging. him they said we know what you. saw and we know that you could hurt us. but if you talk you're going to spend. 295 years in prison so the government. made a deal with. him if you talk you're going to spend. 295 years in prison. if you keep your mouth shut we'll just. send you away for five so he ultimately.

kept his mouth shut and it's amazing um. because I needed he was a very important. interview for me when I was doing the. Franklin Scandal and um and then he. ultimately decided to write a book with. me about it which really gets into the. Washington DC side of. things wow that's. um I want to do a whole episode on that. because I think it's important but I. really want to I just there's so much.

going on with the Epstein stuff and it's. it's it's it's timely it's right now and. so I want to concentrate on that for the. for the majority of the time here and um. I'd like to move into that but I. mean I'm going to be honest Nick I. was I'm worried to take the interview. I'm I'm not gonna you I mean. I'm a former seal. former CIA guy been all over the world.

doing dangerous and but this I mean. I mean they they tried to assassinate. the judge that was on the Epstein trial. correct there was uh there was someone. who uh killed her husband and and Son. yeah he was a he was posed as a UPS D. yeah and that was covered up pretty. quickly we never I I never never really. had the time to get to the bottom of. that um but that's something I'd like um.

the thing with this is I've written two. books about it I've been screaming about. it from the rooftops for quite some time. um until Epstein came along no one was. taking me seriously but once Epstein. came along and once I published that. black Epstein's black book on the. internet people did started to take me. seriously um it's something the. toothpaste is coming out of the tube now. um and that's why people are are willing.

to take it. on I mean no one has been more vocal. about Epstein than. me and I'm still kicking so I mean and. that's the thing the government can't. kill all of us I mean if the government. kills me they have a martyr the last. thing that they want is a martyr mhm so. I mean there was a time when I was. writing the Franklin Scandal I mean I. think that that's when I was at my most.

vulnerable but once the book came out I. I felt pretty safe um and then what I. did is every time I got a. document I disseminated it every time I. got an interview I disseminated it so if. something did happen to me um there was. going to be a record of what I was doing. did you did you feel like that with the. upen stuff with the Epstein stuff you. know I'd been like I was kind of an Old. Pro at it by the time I came across.

Epstein um when I got his black book you. know I knew that that was a little dicey. um for sure um but then here's the thing. I went to the mainstream media and I. tried to get them to publish the black. book and no one would do it and then it. took me 3 years to finally get someone. to publish that black book because. because our media is so it's either. compromised or just unbelievably corrupt.

who did publish it uh Gawker which uh. and and Gawker was a website that would. take on all kinds of crazy stuff and. they ultimately got sued into Oblivion. um by uh Peter teal who's a billionaire. founded PayPal and they outed Peter teal. as as a closed uh gay guy and um and. then Peter teal let it be known that. anybody that litigates against Gawker he. was willing to pay them pay their entire. litigation and then Gawker ultimately.

released a video of Hulk. Hogan having sex with um I I believe a. friends of a friend of his wife and um. but I'm not don't quote me on that but. ultimately uh Hulk Hogan got a huge. multi-million dollar judgment against. Gawker that caused him to crumble but. they were willing you know they did. stuff like that but they were also. willing to take stories from guys like. me where where no one else would touch.

it and once we published that black book. I mean it was huge I mean it got tens of. thousands of hits really quickly all bet. and then I was able to write some. articles about it and um and no one else. in the mainstream media would have given. me that opportunity I saw you had a. decent article on Vanity Fair it seemed. like yeah about me yeah but um well. before we dive too deep into the epine. stuff let's take a quick break and uh. when we come back we'll just dig in.

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all right Nick we're back from the break. we're going to dive. into everything that you can tell us. about Jeffrey Epstein just a couple of. quick things so you've been you've been. following Epstein since 2012 2011 2012. yeah Epstein was arrested on July 6th. 2019 ironically today's the day of the. interview was July 6th that's weird. coincidence uh he died August 10th 2019.

roughly 1 month. later and Epstein pleaded guilty to. soliciting underage girls for sex in. 2008 he served only 13 months in a. County Jail yeah just just 13 months and. um and one one. count the um again this was a a a grand. jury and the prosecutor of that gr area. was Barry kersner and the Palm Beach. Police Department had the statements of.

five miners who had been molested by. abstein but they also knew and and then. there were a number of corroborating. statements but they knew of 23 underage. girls that had been molested by Jeffrey. Epstein and Barry kersner the Florida. attorney only called. one and and he totally deconstructed her. I mean he could have called 25 that's. and and actually that grand inury didn't. even indict him for uh molesting any. girls um it indicted him on one count of.

adult pandering and what happened was. Michael Ryder who is really one of the. unsung heroes in the Epstein story he. was the chief of the Palm be Police. Department he completely. exploded and uh you know he called this. the greatest miscarriage of Justice in. recent history and he went to the feds. and because he knew of 23 victims and. then he had taken heat too I mean he'd.

taken a lot he'd been harassed and I I. think found a dead animal or something. like that on his uh front doorstep um. but he's really a good guy and um the. first time I was in Florida I I talked. to him and uh he looked me up on the. internet and he saw that I was um you. serious about this type of stuff and and. he called me back and um and he wouldn't. let it go I mean the state wanted to. cover it up the feds wanted to cover it.

up but he would not let it go and he. made sure that Jeffrey Epstein got. indicted at least on one count of. um solicitation of a minor or. molestation of minor it is hard to. believe how many people are are aiding. and covering us up yes that especi that. we don't even know about yet but let's. just start at the beginning what what. got your attention on this how did it. how did it go from the Franklin Scandal.

to Epstein well I mean the Franklin. Scandal gave me uh it I I researched the. Franklin Scandal for. uh seven. years and I traveled thousands of. miles um read thousands of pages of. documentation um talked to a lot of. victims. and I I developed a certain expertise in.

that area um wasn't really trying to. initially but just I felt I I I had this. drive to make sure that the Franklin. Scandal got published that I wrote it. and that it got published and I. developed a c i developed an expertise. in that area of child trafficking so I. saw I was reading about abstein and and. I read that there were other girls that. knew about Epstein or that came forward.

about Epstein but he wasn't in that that. grand jury hadn't indicted him on a. single count of uh child molestation and. that's exactly what happened in the. Franklin Scandal um nobody was indicted. for child molestation even there were a. bunch of kids I had a list of 60 kids um. that had been involved in the Franklin. Scandal so um the exact same thing was. happening with abstein and and um and. then so I went down there in. 2012 and I started investigating and um.

I ended up with Epstein's black book and. uh where did you start your. investigation I just I started calling. uh people that were involved I like I. called Michael Ryder he was the police. chief the former Palm Beach Police. Department police chief um I called uh. people that had covered it um in the. newspapers was he part of the cover up. Michael Ryder no no he was part of it. getting exposed okay yeah he was the he.

was like Mr standup guy and all this I. mean if it hadn't been for him we. wouldn't be here talking Epstein would. be rolling right now and and trafficking. girls I'm pretty convinced but he made. such a stink about it that he made sure. that the feds got involved so then the. feds had to cover it up but when I got. Epstein's black book there was scores of. victims well let's talk about the. journey to get his black book so how.

did how did it happen I mean it's I. don't think just show up and hey can I. take a look at that how how did you get. access to you um you cultivate. relationships like with the Franklin. Scandal I actually got some people in. federal law enforcement to give me. information okay it took me some time um. but once they see that your aim is true. um and they don't think that you're.

going to snitch on them for helping you. that you're standup then they'll then. they'll help you and someone took that. chance with. me and gave me the black book and um and. then I I was down in Florida and and. then I started calling I I wanted to get. victims first I mean that was my first. concern was because there was like long. lists of victims and um so I started.

calling these victims and then they. started telling me about being flown to. different places into his Island on um. with other girls well let's get a little. more in depth so how many victims did. you talk. to at that point I talked to I believe. four how were they soliciting them how. did they how did the approach happen uh. um with estein estein just had he would. get girls and pay them like $200 M to.

get other. girls so and and that's exactly how it. works with Franklin where if you bring. someone in they'll pay you money okay so. and and he just had this huge ma. machine that was funling girls I mean he. had all these girls and procurers. looking for other girls how young did. the girls go um okay so the mainstream. media has said 14 but I don't that's not.

I don't think that that's true that's an. accurate uh we're talking as young as 11. or. 12 11 or 12. yes and actually one of the I believe. that one of the victims that litigated. against F was 13 at the time. so this is the mainstream media has done. such a disservice to these girls um. because it has.

sanitized that trafficking Network I. mean those girls were younger than 14. definitely and the viciousness that some. of them were subjected to I mean some of. these and and I saw this in the Franklin. Scandal some of these guys like to beat. up these little boys or little girls I. mean that's I mean and some of these. guys. are unbelievably powerful you would know. their names and that's what they like to. do that's how they get off do you know.

the names. um some of them yeah are they in the. black book yes who are they yes uh one. of them is a former prime. minister and uh. he according to one victim I talked to. likeed to beat up victims why don't you. want to say the name I'm just curious um. I think that just the information that. I've given you um is enough for someone.

to. um basically determine who he is where. could they find the names um okay so. Gawker published The Black Book it's. online if you Google Nick Bryant Gawker. blackbook it'll be there it's out there. and actually this gentleman is circled. the Alfredo Rodriguez was the house. manager well hold on before we get into. all that where were they flying these. girls were they I mean and who would.

they fly with these girls were flown. everywhere and they were flown. with politicians how many at a time um. it all depends because we don't really. know I mean we've got passenger manifest. but it's hard to know how honest um but. there was definitely like Alan dtz. um he said that he'd never flown with. Jeffrey Epstein and uh in the article.

that I wrote for goner um he's on a. passenger manifest with tana and Claire. and um and and Alan joosu said I'm never. molested any of these girls blah blah. blah blah and then he's nailed though. who is that I don't know who alen dtz is. a famous attorney okay that um that was. part of the Jeffrey Epstein that. and um he got nailed I mean he said that. he only flew with actually he's one of.

the most famous attorneys in the world. there's been um rever I think it was. reverse L Fortune about Claus Von buo. who was he was convicted or uh arraigned. for killing his uh very wealthy wife and. Allen D was represented um represented. him so and he is a uh was a. leading scholar at Harvard legal scholar. at Harvard um and he was a good friend.

of Jeffrey upstein and one of the girls. that has come forward and said that she. was molested by je by alitz another girl. has said that um she wasn't a minor but. she had been paned to alitz and then uh. and another woman has said um another. abene Victor said that um Epstein had a. house in New York and that there would. be quote unquote model auditions in the.

second floor and there would be young. girls there and and alen dtz went right. up the stairs to where the um young. models were being auditioned so they. would fly these young girls 11. to let's just say 11 on up I mean some. of those some of them were 18. 192021 okay I mean the thing is. Epstein liked girls that were like 13 or.

14 but if you wanted someone that was. younger I mean Epstein is a psychopath. um if you wanted someone that was. younger he didn't have any problem with. that if he wanted someone that was older. he didn't have any problem with that. either I mean he had the type of girls. that he liked but if you were part of. that. Network you you'd get any anything you. want so where where all would they fly. him to the obviously his.

Island where else. um somewh flown to Los. Angeles it's i' I've got a bunch of. Passenger manifests too did he just have. houses everywhere he had houses uh he. had a house in uh Palm Beach he had a. house in New York City he had the island. and then he had a place in uh a huge. place in New.

Mexico and the girl there is a girl that. has come forward in a deposition and she. said that she had been molested by both. Bill Richardson and Bruce King and both. of them had been former governors of New. Mexico and actually Bill Richardson was. a democratic high flyer he was Bill. Clinton's energizar and what's really. interesting is Epstein had to register. as a sex offender everywhere except New.

Mexico so obviously uh some people very. high up in the New Mexico political. Machinery um were doing favors for. Jeffrey Epstein and uh according to one. of the victims she was molested by two. former governors of New. Mexico was. there so was everywhere just a all of. his properties were involved in this it. wasn't one specific one no I mean.

estein I think and he had a place in uh. the UK he had a place in. France I mean that was but this was his. business how many girls do you estimate. were involved in this from from start to. finish oh man you know it's tough like. ebstein I mean just. himself was as his addiction accelerated. he was like three girls a day so um but.

then you get in so you know you're. looking at e three girls a day but then. you're looking in at all these guys that. he pattered girls to. um hundreds hundreds you know and and he. was doing and now granted uh like when. he probably started in the mid 90s or. early 90s he wasn't as Full Throttle as. he was um in in the early.

2000s but he had a run there of 25 years. where he was trafficking. girls and just his own. personal deviant. appetites were three a day. so that kind of gives you an idea of the. how massive that traffic network was how. did how did he get started how did. Epstein get started how did he get. started you know that's where did he.

come from he he comes from Cony Island. from a workingclass family in con. Island and I've heard stuff about him. that he could have been chosen earlier. to be part of this as as a young man so. he was a College. Dropout and he got a job teaching math. at Dalton which is the most prestigious. School in New York City who would have.

recruited him at a young. age I do not know it's one of those. things like with King and Spence you. they were in Viet they were in Southeast. Asia and then they come back to America. and then their all of a sudden their. star Rises um the same thing with. abstein we do not know who who do do you. have. any I do not know um William B. the Attorney General under Donald Trump. who covered up abstein um and actually. he covered up Franklin too because he.

was um the Attorney General under Bush W. when the Franklin Scandal was covered up. so he's he's a really dirty guy I mean. and he's been involved in all kinds of. other dirty stuff too his dad was. running. Dalton um shortly before abstein got. hired there so people have speculated. that his dad had something to do with. with AB getting hired but we don't we. don't really know but what's really. interesting is William Bar's father. wrote a Sci-Fi novel about Intergalactic.

sex. trafficking which. is you know kind of kind of strange and. then Jeffrey Epstein ends up working at. Dalton and. um and then he has this he gets involved. in uh with a number of trading. companies and then. ultimately I mean how does he get. involved though I mean thing he a.

college drop out he gets put in there. by. by by bars I'm sorry to say bar well. it's people are surmising that it's. Bar's father who got him a job at the at. Dalton and and then he was in uh some. training companies he was with Steven. hoffenberg who got busted at that time. he hofberg was guilty of the largest. Ponzi. scheme um ever it was before Bernie made.

off now with hoffenberg hoffenberg I met. with hoffenberg he's dead now but he. said that Epstein was. involved but Epstein was allowed to. skate. um but the thing with hoffenberg. is he was a very very wealthy guy we did. 18 years in. prison and I don't think he came out of. prison as the Paragon of Sanity.

so I never really knew what to make. about what hofberg was telling me it. could have been all true um or I don't. know but I think that he was I think. that Steven hoffenberg was. psychologically. troubled and after he got out of prison. but where Epson got his big break was in. the early 90s Les waxner who is the head. of the limited um Victoria Secret.

multi-billionaire he gave Epstein the. keys to his kingdom power of attorney. over. everything and Epstein was allowed. to do whatever he wanted with les. wexner's Fortune every any anything he. wanted he was uh he was given power of. attorney I mean but he didn't I mean he. barely even knew him correct. um they they've known each other. for I don't know I mean five or six.

years. um but I think Les Wexner is a pretty. dirty guy I mean he's also been named as. a uh as a. perpetrator and I do believe that he is. a. perpetrator um and he and Jeffrey EP Les. Wexner has a very interesting history. he's got a a history with the mafia um. there was an attorney that whose Law.

Firm worked for Les wner limited his. name was Arthur Shapiro and he was shot. in the back of the head twice um. execution style in um Columbus Ohio. which is where wexer lives and where the. limited is is headquartered so um and so. it was it was it was very much a mafia. hit and. there there was a police report a. homicide report I've got it that came.

out and it named Les Wexner as the chief. suspect of that homicide and it talked. about all of Les wexner's Mafia. connections which I was able to. corroborate um the police chief of. Columbus ordered that homicide report to. be. destroyed and but I got a copy of it so. I'm good at getting stuff so um but yeah. Les Wexner is the prime suspect as far. as being the prime mover of that. homicide according according to that.

homicide report why do you. think I mean what was his. fortune how much was it um is he's. estimated to be worth at least $4. billion why would he I mean is a. blackmail why would he hand over the. keys and give full power of attorney to. Jeff Epstein than blackmail do you think. it was blackmail. um it's either blackmail or they're both.

into something very sorted together. um and and here's what people don't. understand about Epstein and they didn't. understand this about Franklin. um Jeffrey Epstein was blackmailing some. of the most powerful men in the world I. all you got to do is look at his black. book and see that he was black man some. the most powerful men in the world now. Jeffrey Epstein was a College Dropout. from workingclass Coney Island is. Jeffrey Epstein going to be able to.

Blackmail less Wexner who has. connections to the mafia there's no way. in hell I mean Jeffrey Epstein would. have a very brief life expectancy if he. did that but the thing about it is if. he's got an. intelligence apparati behind him mhm and. and they make it known to whoever is. blackmailing no one touches Jeff Epstein. or else pictures are going to come out. or whatever I mean that's the only way.

that Jeffrey Epstein um is able to. Blackmail so you think that Jeffrey. Epstein had an intelligence organization. behind him oh absolutely more than no. doubt about it us intelligence. organization or another countes well. okay so people speculate that it was. Israeli um and uh not American but. here's the thing about that and I try to. explain it to people there's no way that. American intelligence is going to let. Israeli intelligence compromise American.

politicians without getting a cut of. that intelligence there's just no way. maybe I mean why wouldn't they maybe. that I mean if Jeffrey Epstein. has blackmail on literally all these. powerful people I mean it's and and it. seems that they all fold immediately you. know maybe he had maybe he had something. on the US side of things and they were. like. hey next on the Shawn Ryan show it was a.

ABC correspondent that got fired who. came out and said that she wanted to. cover the story and right before she. went on to cover it it was hey cut it. we're not doing this um first of all I. was told who's Jeffrey Epstein no one. knows who that is this is a stupid story. um then the palace found out that we had. her whole Alle allegations about prince. Andrew and threatened us a million. different ways um we were so afraid we. wouldn't be able to interview Kate will.

that we that also quashed the story and. then um and then Alan dtz was also. implicated in because of the planes all. she told me everything she had pictures. she had everything she was in hiding for. 12 years we convinced her to come out we. convinced her to talk to us um it was. unbelievable what we had Clinton we had. everything. I I tried for three years to get it on. to no avail I don't even know why. anybody who has I I I I can't even.

imagine applying for a position at the. FBI nowadays well I don't understand. what they. do so the FBI had hundreds of DVDs of. ebstein um I'm sure a lot of them were. compromised DVDs and I'm sure a lot of. them were just child pornography um so. they've gone into a black. [Music].

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