Nick Bryant - Disturbing Parallels Between P Diddy & Jeffrey Epstein’s Blackmail | SRS #139

[Music]. Nick Bryant welcome back to the show. glad to be here Sean the first episode. we did was fire took off like a bat out. of hell and uh and uh so now you're back. and take two yeah here we go so we're. going to talk about we're going to kick. it off with P. Diddy what the hell and then you have a.

lot of updates on uh the Epstein stuff. and I have some questions as well and. then uh you got a new book out when did. the book come out the truth about. Watergate came out in uh March it came. out in March yeah how's it doing it's. doing pretty good I'm pretty happy with. it it the narrative is completely. antithetical to the narrative that we. hear in the mainstream media but I. fortified it with. 2,238 citations.

so no one can tell me that I made any of. this up yeah yeah yeah well hey so we'll. get to it but first last last time I. think we went through the entire. interview and I forgot to give you your. gift yeah I was I was a little bummed. out about that when I when I realized so. I'm going to make it up to you right. now well thank you we go you got any. guesses thank you very much um you have. to open it on the show that's the Only.

Rule I would. say it's. gummies good guess after you open the. bag up ah what do you know it's gummies. vigilance League gummy bears made right. here in the USA up in Michigan actually. and uh and they're legal in all 50. states which we just talk a great. conversation about sobriety so yeah so. they fit it's just candy but um well. Nick I'm I know you don't need an.

introduction on this show but I'm going. to give you one. anyways here we. go you are a journalist and author who. wrote several books including the. Franklin scandal in your most recent. book The Truth About Watergate with over. a 30-year writing career you've focused. most of your work on the plight of lower. socioeconomic children in the United. States you've spent 7 years. investigating Coast to Coast child. trafficking networ works you are an.

investigator of the Epstein Network and. published Epstein's little black book. you launched a nonprofit organization. Epstein Justice where the objective is. to hold the government and perpetrators. in the Epstein child trafficking Network. accountable you were on the show last. year but you're back today to discuss. the inside scoop on P Diddy's case as. well as the connection between the cover. up of the fcen child trafficking Network. and py I can't wait to get into this it.

feels weird even saying I can't wait to. get into this it's so disgusting but. yeah I got I got some questions about. Epstein as well when we get to that. point here but Nick we have. a we have a subscription account it's on. patreon I think you have a patreon too. yes I I do have a patreon so one of the. things that we give our patrons is we. give them the opportunity to ask a.

question uh to each guest and. so you know it's just it's it's patreon. our patreons are our top supporters I. wouldn't be here MH you wouldn't be here. if it wasn't for them they've been here. since the beginning and so uh I just. love to to to offer them this. opportunity so this is from Tyler. stud despite significant evidence. figures such as Sarah Kellen have not.

faced the same level of prosecution. as gazelle Maxwell I can never pronounce. galain galain galain I'm sorry it's it's. a tough one yeah I mean I would I just. hate to butcher her name but uh but what. systemic issues in the legal system. prevent these individuals from being. held accountable and what reforms does. he believe do you believe are necessary. to address this.

so one I have a question who the hell is. Sarah Kellen Sarah Kellen was one of. Epstein's procurers AKA pimps and. actually the New York Times did an. article on six estein procurers AKA. pimps and Maxwell was the leading one. but right below her was Epstein's number. two Lieutenant Sarah Kellen. and this woman has led a lot of Lambs to.

the. slaughter she should be serving multiple. lifetimes for child trafficing child. trafficking is 15 to life and Maxwell. only getting 20 considering that she'd. been probably trafficking for 25. years is is a joke but with Kellen she. should also be in prison with Maxwell. and again as we've talked about it last. time we talk about it this time the. government has been completely unwilling.

to prosecute the procurers and the. perpetrators in the Jeffrey Epstein. Network well it sounds like we're and I. I know we're going to get into this but. it sounds like what did you say her name. Sarah Kellen the other one glain Maxwell. yeah glain sounds like she's got a. pretty cush uh prison sentence wellit. she's in a dormatory now and generally. people that are in dormitories prison. dormitories they've been exemplary. prisoners they're they've done a lot of.

time and they're getting ready to get. released and Maxwell got into a. dormatory after like two years so. obviously she's been given very. cush uh circumstances why do you think. that why do you think the media is so. hesitant to cover this. [ __ ]. um I can speak from my own experience. I'm not hesitant they just won't come. won't cover it um the media are they.

Pro sex trafficking is that what it is. they like child sex. trafficking well the media will talk. about things that are salacious anything. that's salacious with abstein the media. will talk about but when you try to get. into. Justice the media won't go there at all. in January I was contacted by CNN there. was going to be a big estein dump.

document dump and I was contacted by CNN. and because I was the guy that put the. black book on the internet they wanted. me to take part and I talked to the. producer and then we were texting I said. I'd also like to talk about Epstein. Justice it's this organization I've. started where we're trying to get. Justice for Jeffrey Epstein's victims. and then I got a a text about I don't. know 20 minutes later well you know Nick. we're going to go a different. direction really yeah and and that's. happened to me so they don't so the.

mainstream. media they don't want any they don't. want any justice for these victims no I. mean it's it's so bizarre to. me that you've got the mainstream media. out. there and none of them are screaming for. justice Jeffrey Epstein trafficked. underage girls for 25 years what is the. youngest girl on record that he traic.

okay so on record it's 13 the cover. story is 14 but there were girls younger. than actually 13 [ __ ] and I know a. therapist she's an eminent therapist. over the years I I've been researching. wri about child traffing for 22 years. and the national Center on sexual. exploitation but on an international. Summit and I've spoken at the summit. three times and the uh inter ational. site for the study of traum.

Association which is a group of. therapists that work with victims that. have been AB you know gone through. horrific abuse I've spoken at their. International Conference so when it. comes to people in the anti-trafficking. community and also people that work with. victims of uh. trafficking I've got a pretty good name. and I befriended a couple of them that. have told me that and one of them is. really an eminent psychologist she I I.

mean I can't because of our. confidentiality I can't but but she. people would know. her and she had a victim she was. counseling someone who she felt was. under 10 years. old when she was traveled by Epstein and. then I know another therapist who's an. esteem therapist very esteemed therapist. who has another client that was under 10. years old when they were traed by.

now and these kids can describe. Epstein's home they can. describe parks by his that they were. taken to by his home in New York. um they know and and these two. therapists firmly believe now they're. young women um that they're telling the. truth and the thing is when I wrote the. Franklin Scandal I mean King and Spence. the two primary pimps in that Network. they were into like adolescent.

boys but these guys are psychopaths 's a. psychopath Maxwell is a psychopath if if. you want an eight-year-old they'll get. you an eight-year-old I mean that's just. the way it is I mean it's not like. they've they're constricted by any type. of. morality I mean so how would. they we I think we talked about how they. got the. other victims that were 16 17 you.

know how how do they how are they. capturing. eight-year-olds they were buying. kidnapping them well they were no they. were buying them in Eastern Europe they. were actually buying children Epstein. and Jean luk B now were buying children. in Eastern Europe and what I've seen. like in the Franklin Scandal boy town. was being plundered. by Lawrence King one of the pedophilia.

pimps and the number two guy at boytown. at that point his name was uh Father. James Kelly I hate to call him father. but his name was James Kelly and he'. molested a number of kids in Upstate New. York and the Catholic church and its. Infinite Wisdom put him at boy toown and. I was told by every year of the the the. students of boytown are like the mayor a. boytown is like an incorporated city.

and I was told by a former mayor of boy. toown that he felt that Father. Kelly was compromised and was and and. that's how these kids were able to get. passes for the. weekend because and that you know it's. kind I I was just looking when I was. looking at boy toown I was just looking. for kids that have been trafficked by. Lawrence King but then I encountered. like six kids that had been molested by. James Kelly.

so it's it's shocking the Catholic. Church knew what he was. about in Upstate New York and then they. moved him to boytown they have a history. of this though don't oh yeah the. Catholic Church moves the priest I mean. that's why they're getting. sued into Oblivion now is because they. were fully cognizant of the the behavior. of these priests and then they would. move them to a different Parish they. just picked up a Catholic priest here in.

Franklin for doing that I don't know if. they charged him or if he got a guilty. verdict but yeah they did it was I don't. know. maybe actually I think it was right. before last Christmas when it came out. no it was right after it was right after. yeah yeah the Catholic churches you. would. think would come to the point where it. would be transparent.

and whatever happened happened you would. think it would be a spiritual. organization and I know people that are. Catholic that are very. spiritual I was Catholic yeah and and. you're very spiritual um. but I think when you run you know when. you. institutions when something becomes an. institution and we've seen this a. lot institutions become concerned about. their power their money and their.

Prestige and they put that above like P. Penn State is an example uh they knew. that the Penn State people knew that. Jerry sandeski was molesting those kids. but it was concerned about its power. money and Prestige the Catholic Church. money power Prestige the Boy Scouts. money power Prestige that's just. institutions become that way. institutions like the Boy Scouts I. believe started out with the purest of. motives. but then at a certain point it became.

concerned about the it's money power and. Prestige and it knew about a bunch of. these it it had all big list of scout. Masters that molested kids you know what. the going back to the I just have some. questions before we really dive into the. interview and. and you know with the I just don't. understand why they're not going after. him and.

is everybody. guilty I mean in like what did everybody. have a hand in this like why is nothing. happening what why is I mean the judge. almost got. assassinated what is going on what are. those. paintings of George Bush throwing. airplanes at two Jenga Towers at Epstein. Island what is the painting with Bill. Clinton wearing a dress and red high. heels what is.

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tax attorney or financial professional. before making an investment. decision um there's a lot of symbolism. in those it's definitely entirely. possible. abstein had a very warped. mind but despite that he pandered to. other people with warped minds and. perhaps he had insight.

I I believe Epstein was Intelligence for. sure and he was in a very high strata of. intelligence and when Clinton was. President Epstein was providing him with. women he he was signing into the White. House and provided him with women I. don't think that they were minors but. they were definitely young. women so even when Epstein is or even. when Clinton's the president Epstein is. delivering. uh women to him in the white.

house so someone like. that has a lot of dirt on a lot of. people knows a lot yeah so what is he. holding the entire US Government on. blackmail well obviously not anymore uh. the thing with abstein and this is where. people it don't really understand. Jeffrey Epstein by himself couldn't. blackmail anyone Jeffrey Epstein was a.

College Dropout from Coney Island kind. of a workingclass family a guy like that. couldn't blackmail the most powerful men. in the United States in the. world he has to have an organization. behind him and that organization tells. people you know if you harm jeffre epin. there's going to be retribution that's. the only way that Jeffrey epin can. blackmail some of the most powerful men. in the world is as if there's an. organization behind him that has a lot.

of power what organization was behind. him it's there's some dark corner of. intelligence that's been doing this. forever um. and I don't know what you call some. people would call it the Deep State I I. just I don't know I call it some dark. malignant corner of. intelligence. and that dark corner has been doing. nefarious things for for a long time.

and and I. understand some of these re some of the. reasons I knew someone that knew William. Colby very. well he was the uh he was a former CI. director that went canoeing in April he. was 76 years old he went canoeing in. April without his shoes and his body was. found I think like a week later um so he. died under very suspicious circumstances. but he had told this individual that I.

know that that was one of his. regrets cuz Colby had been with the CI. from the very beginning it was OSS and. then CIA he said that that was one of. his regrets is that they felt like. fighting Communists was too important to. be left to. politicians so they started funding. mechanisms covert funding mechanisms and. then also the blackmail. too and he said that that was when of. his big regrets was that the CI started.

these funing these cobbert funing. mechanisms so it could basically do. whatever it. wanted interesting do you think I have. another I'm going to switch the flow of. the interview let's just get into the. Epstein stuff right now since we're in. but you know do you think. that I got to be careful how I say this. but basically what I'm saying [ __ ] it. I'm not going to try to to.

beat around the. bush do you think that all of. the. clients were pedophiles or did they get. tricked do you think that is what was. going on because wouldn't. that yeah I get it they're cheating on. their. wives it's bad but they didn't. knowingly do you see what I'm getting at. they didn't know I mean look Nick you.

can get on Instagram right now and look. at all the private the what do they call. the the private jet. stewardesses and they all look the. same have you se you know what I'm. talking about I don't no well I'm I'm. not much of an Instagram guy so they. look like they just walked out of the. strip club and jumped on a jet to yeah. and so that's what I'm so we know what's. going on on private jets okay I mean. let's just it's it's pretty obvious what.

happens uh with those type of. stewardesses and so it may not even be. uncommon I mean I don't know I don't fly. around on private jets but it may not. even be uncommon you know for that to be. you know part of the the the flight. routine right and so maybe this is just. another flight where that they're used. to this happening and but this time it's. o yeah that was yeah that was a. 17-year-old by the way you're on camera.

you know because wouldn't that turn the. wouldn't that turn the. the wouldn't that turn them into. somewhat of a victim as. well. well I think all the above to what you. said I think sometimes they're trick. but estein was frequently pandering 14y. olds and we know he was pandering 13y. olds and I don't think it would be hard. to differentiate between a 13-year-old.

or. 14-year-old and an. adult and as I said earlier estein I. believe pandered kids that were under 10. years old so I think it's all the above. guys could have been tricked for sure. with some of these young women that look. like adults but then some guys are just. they're pedophiles I mean they totally. yeah I mean that's that's their thing. that's what they're into and like. Epstein he his thing was pesent.

girls you know what I mean though I mean. and I mean you definitely have your. repeat offenders yeah I mean we all know. who they are at least a couple of them. you know but there's also people from my. understanding that we're you know. one-time. offenders or supposedly. and I don't know I'm just I thought a. lot about this and and like I said you.

know. it's yes it they are they standup. citizens by flying around in private. jets and doing whatever to women that. goes on on. there no they're not standup citizens. but I mean it. is they're not doing anything anybody. else isn't doing and and at least it's. it's not uncommon and so to to to to.

trick somebody like that I think would. be relatively easy especially with a 16. 17-year-old with the 16 or 17 year old. yeah I think. so I got to a blackmail. photographer who was part of the. Franklin traing Network and I was I was. I was initially cutting my teeth on the. story I I was trying to figure out how. you know I was trying to figure out so. much. stuff and I asked him about the BL. blackmail. angle and he said to me it's like you're.

on a yacht mhm and it's a beautiful. yacht it's a beautiful day and you can. have anything you want on the. yacht but if you decide to get off the. yacht the people on the yacht are going. to make sure that you. drown so once you've been. compromised there's almost an incentive. to keep going with it I mean you're not. going to stop I mean there's already. footage of you you're part of that club.

you're part of that. omerta um where you're going to keep. your mouth shut and do what you're told. how many names were in that book do you. remember in the in the black book yeah a. bunch of them but not all of them were. pedophiles yeah how many were. clients. estimation probably 50 or 60 50 or 60. yeah and I could be wrong the a number. of names that were circled how the blank.

book came into my. possession can't really get into the. definitive minations but Alfredo. Rodriguez was a house manager for. abstein and he made copies of the black. book and he tried to sell. it to one of the attorneys that were. representing some of the kids that ABY. molested and. the attorney called the FBI and the FBI.

did a sting on. him and according to the Affidavit of. the FBI agent she said that the ones. that were circled were ones that he felt. were um. incriminated and there were a number of. very powerful guys that were. circled and like Bill Clinton wasn't. circled but e had 25 contact numbers. form and that's and that's another.

indication too with the black book is. how many contact. numbers does Jeffrey AB like he only had. two contact numbers for MC Jagger so I. doubt that he and. Mick did much although MC Jagger. is I think according to um McKenzie. Phillips he molested her when she was I. think 12 or something but um but I don't. think that. although esste had a couple of numbers.

for Jagger I don't think that he. provided Jagger with children and it's. not because I like the Rolling Stones. it's just uh I with only two contact. numbers I haven't really seen anything. where they're they're together. so but there's a lot of other people in. that book that are circled and. um I think that that tends to. incriminate I I think Alfredo Rodriguez. I mean he was at Epstein's he was. Epstein's house manager for quite some. time so he he knew a lot of what was.

going. on and then the FBI ultimately impounded. the book and then I got it from some. people who got it from the. FBI and um it's I mean it really shows. the breadth of his social connections. now people have argued that it's kind of. funny um like Mother. Jones had didn't arle where some guy. called everybody in the blackbook and.

and no one knew Jeffrey Epstein in the. blackbook I don't know him I don't know. never met him so um see how they. run that cracked me up interes and and. Mother Jones was actually that writer. was seemingly naive enough to believe. that nobody in the black book knew. Jeffrey. Epstein well let's talk about some of. the stuff that uh has come up since we. last spoke. well I've gotten a beat on the Epstein.

victims compensation. fund and that's. really a superlative coverup. tool there's two 225 women have applied. for settlements from the Epstein victims. compensation fund and the fund has. awarded 150 settlements eight women have. declined but if you get a settlement. from the EP victims compensation fund.

you've got to sign an NDA which says. that you will not go after any of your. other. perpetrators so it's shutting down. meaning you can't go after anybody else. you're going to get this settlement. anybody that was in that black book no. is off limits to everybody who. signed. and that the EP victims compensation was. started by Jordan Feldman and then David. boy and David boy is a power breaker.

power broker attorney in New York well. he's you know he's a famous attorney but. uh David boy has a very very dark side. and we don't even know the. criteria that they. use for awarding. settlements these two. therapists who I talked to. they they help their clients apply for. the victim's conversation the therapists.

who had the clients that were under 10. when they said they were trafficked by. abstein um they were not awarded any. kind of settlement even though one of. the kids knew a lot about the inside of. Jeffrey abstein home and both therapists. who I've talked to felt that they. weren't awarded any money because it. went against the cover Story the cover. Story by the mainstream media is that. the kids were 14 there wasn't anybody. younger than 14 that's the mainstream. media so because it went against the.

cover story it. those uh clients weren't awarded any. money from the victims and but and we. have no idea as I said of the criteria. that's used I. mean it's it it's really random and some. get six figure settlements and some get. seven figure settlements we don't really. know I mean it's it's not transparent at.

all who's and it's this attorney that's. in charge of it uh Jordana Felman and. David boy were the architects of of the. victim's compensation fund where's the. money come. from uh Epstein's. estate. which has a lot of money. and and David boy has shown. that he's not an exemplary Paragon of.

Ethics. also he's quite fond of using Black Cube. the retired Massad. mercenaries he uh represented Harvey. Weinstein and Rose mwan was one of the. first actresses that came out and said. you know she'd been molested by by hary. Weinstein and David. boy deployed Black Cube against her and. they infiltrated her life under false. pretenses and tried to get her to say.

incriminating things that could be used. against her which she didn't I mean she. ultimately figured out that these guys. were um I don't know if she figured out. they were black you but they ultimately. she ultimately figured out and then the. New York Times was. writing an article about Epstein there. were a number of reporters and he. deployed Black Cube against them these. New York Times reporters trying to find. dirt on them and at the same time he was. representing the New York Times in a.

Lial suit I mean total conflict of. interest but it wasn't even a speed bump. and David boy thoros uh Elizabeth Holmes. the charlatan who came up with tanos and. how he was going to be able to take your. blood and tell you everything that you. needed to know about your life. um people started to attack her and. David boys deployed. Cube on them too he was actually on. tanos.

board. so this is this is the kind of guy that. we've got that's overseeing the victims. compensation the Aben victim's. compensation fund wow what when did you. find out about Black. Cube. um at some point between the last time I. was here and how would you describe them. well the retired Massad agents. only mad agent I think it's well they're.

out Israel so they might be other type. of Israeli intelligence agents but. definitely retired Massad and they do. Dirty. Deeds but they don't do Dirty Deeds down. dirt sheep they just do Dirty deeds and. they I think they charge an exorbitant. amount for. them and we've got David. boy using Black Cube to protect hary. Weinstein and the same guy is one of the. architects of the epine victims.

compensation fund which really. shows pretty much out of right out of. the gate that something is seriously a. right with the epine victim's. compensation F yeah yeah what um so I. mean what is how do they operate how. does Black Cube operate let's hear a. scenario it all depends upon it's it's. Gathering Intelligence on on people um. like then went after David boy.

deployed Black Cube on these journalists. that were writing an article on Harvey. Weinstein and they were just looking for. dirt on them that they could use to. dissuade them to continue writing that. article and with rose. Macwan they kind of infiltrated her life. as like like friends and I mean who. knows what they were trying to do with. her I I. mean probably trying to get her.

to exonerate Harvey Weinstein but but. she never did I mean and she's been. pretty much banished. from. Hollywood even though a bunch of women. came out she was like one of the first. and the most. vocal and Harvey Weinstein had gotten. away with that stuff for years yeah yeah. it's. you know it's I've kind of come to think.

that Hollywood in Washington. DC have a have a certain kind of. person um GE I wonder what leads you to. believe. that. but they're both it it's kind of. interesting both people in Hollywood and. DC it's a power thing they they have a. tremendous amount of power um people in. Hollywood have the power to to Really. sculpt Americans.

attitudes about a lot of different. things and of course people in. Washington DC have the power to make. laws that govern all of. us. and Hollywood Babylon there there was a. book written by a guy named Kenneth. anger kind of a nasty piece of work but. he wrote a book called Hollywood Babylon. and. um someone needs to write a a book. called uh pomac on the uh Sodom and.

gomorah on the bomic I mean that I think. that would be a good book that might. even be one of my next books I don't. know Sodom and gomorah on the pomac by. Nick Bryant it'll be a good. one. but with David boy. it's he's handled all this litigation. and these women have to sign these.

ndas so the government has worked very. hard to cover up abstein but it cannot. tell these women that they can't sue. their perpetrators these other. perpetrators but if you get money and. sign that NDA. that that victim's compensation fund is. doing something that the government. can't why do you think that uh he hasn't. employed black Cube on.

you you know maybe he has I'm just kind. of too obtuse to. know I. mean I mean I know I've had one death. threat um but I might have had others. I'm just I'm I'm just too much of a I'm. too thickheaded. to I I'm not inclined towards paranoia. so um you know who knows what happens I. don't know if if you're if you write the. kind of stuff that I write.

um you cannot really be. paranoid that would that' be if I was if. I had paranoid inclinations I'd still be. underneath my. bed what else have you uncovered so. what's really. interesting is when David boy started. taking on these. clients these estein. victims he immediately or quickly. conscripted a guy named Stan.

ponger who was an assistant us attorney. general and I call him the Forest Gump. of. coverups if you needed a if you need if. the government needed a cover up Stan. pottinger would be there he covered up. pen Kent State where the four students. got shot by national Guardsman um there. was a tape the justice department had a. tape. of those soldiers being ordered to.

shoot. but the grand jury that poer. oversaw that tape was never played and. actually that tape didn't come out till. like. 2005 so he covered that up uh. and the the FBI had a program called. coel Pro in which it completely trampled. on the rights of Americans open male. and uh.

it it's in a CO during this period a. letter was sent to Martin Luther King. who was about to get the Nobel Peace. Prize and it. had I think it had like some tapes of. King having an. affair and the letter which I believe. was written by William suin who was like. the number three guy in told King that. he needed to commit. suicide before he um accepted the Nobel.

Prize or these uh these tapes would come. out uh K King his wife was called and. told about his. Affairs so it it was really coel Pro was. really nasty especially like with the. American Indian movement and also the. Black Panthers and there's evidence. that coel Pro definitely contributed to. the death of Fred Hampton who was uh a.

black panther in um Chicago but there. was a member of the American en movement. named Emory akish and the the FBI. floated uh information that she was an. informant and she was murdered by two. members of the American Indian movement. because they thought she was. informant so the Church hearings which. looked into coel Pro found all this.

stuff out about what had been going on. and they had 20,000 pages of documents. and they'd interviewed a number of FBI. agents and stamp pottinger was going to. come in and he was going to exact. Justice and no one got indicted not a. single person was indicted uh for coel. probe. when wow when stamp poer was the.

Assistant Attorney. General and Richard Helms the the CIA. had a a program called operation chaos. where they were also doing domestic. spine and stamp poner was going to exact. uh justice with that and uh Richard. Helms testified before Congress that he. hadn't that no americ an had been spied. on and then the church earrings found. out that a lot of Americans have been.

spied on and their mail had been open. and other things and Stan Pon was. getting to the bottom of. that and Richard Helms was uh charged. with two misdemeanors and charged and. and had to PID. $2,000 and it's kind of interesting. stamp poner was also he went out with. Gloria steinm for nine years now she. wasn't a CI asset. also the founder of the.

American of Americans or women's. Liberation I mean steinm was getting. money from the CIA now she said that she. was getting money in 59 through 61 but I. found an article in a feminist magazine. out of um San Francisco that she was. getting money from the CIA for the. majority of the 60s so her and Stan P. were a were a couple and um CI Assets in.

love what a what a wonderful story but. when Stan pottinger. left the Department of Justice and he. became an outright criminal uh there was. the October. surprise where the Iranians had taken a. number of. hostages. and Carter was trying to get the. hostages back and it was really making. Carter look weak and. some people from the Reagan campaign.

went to the Iranians and said if you. hold those hostages until Reagan is. elected we will sell arms to. you uh very cheaply it was Iran. Contra. and and panra was in on the according to. the president of Iran panre was in on. the the ground floor negotiations of. Iran Contra and then now this is kind of. amazing he is caught on tape instructing.

these Iranians how to best smuggle arms. from the US to Iran I mean they they got. him he's he's on tape talking to these. two Iranians about it. and lo and. behold the Department of. Justice loses the. tape so um. and that Paragon of Integrity Rudolph.

Giuliani was overseeing the case so. stand I mean and that's treasonous I. mean to facilitate uh arm sale to to an. enemy I mean that's that's outright. treason but p w so here is the guy that. David boy. conscripted to help with all this. litigation and it's very obvious that. poner has had a background in intellig. and MC was an intelligence app so.

essentially what you've got with p is. you've got an intelligence op being. covered up by an intelligence op. wow how do you find this stuff. out where do you go digging for. this I just. uh it just kind of comes to me I don't. know it's I. it's interesting when you when you're.

investigating. something and you. know what the truth is or you have a. kind of an approximation of the truth. you can generally. find stuff that's going to corroborate. it if if you're actually on to the. truth and that's what I've done for my. entire career is.

felt where I where I felt like I was. onto the truth then the information just. follows I mean you got to. dig do you have a lot of people coming. to you as well I do been out there now. for a while I do I mean some of them. are you know need some psychiatric help. I was wondering how do you decipher. through that it's tough because some of. this stuff is way out out there and. although people are describing something. that's way out there um sometimes you.

never knowy we've seen lots of things. way out there in the past four years. that's. true and I mean I never thought I'd be. talking about UFOs and aliens and [ __ ]. I'll tell you that much here we. are with. um it's kind of interesting there was a. point. where I do remember the Franklin Scandal. got published in 2009 2010 and i' put.

everything I had into it I I I put all. the chips on the Franklin. Scandal and. my girlfriend of five years had left me. and I had a beautiful one-bedroom in the. village and the price got amped and I I. could no longer afford it because I. put I'm one of those guys. with life I I'm I I'm not really a.

gambler like I'll gamble a hundred bucks. over the course of an NFL season but. I'll certainly gamble my career and um. and when the Franklin scam got published. I had about a Year's worth of. money and I thought I can get something. done in a. year and I had a lot of friends that. were in the media in New York only one. guy tried to help. me the rest shun me I went to uh LA and. tried to sell it and I came really.

close but I wasn't able to sell it so at. the end of that year I found myself I'm. not a plan B kind of guy I moved to New. York City um with like I don't know 15. or 20. grand and I started my I mean I I'm from. Minneapolis I I had a lot of stuff. published in Minneapolis so by the the. time I got to New York I I'd had a I had. a pretty good portfolio and I moved into.

this studio apartment that I called the. cave because it had no light um it had. windows but then there was a wall right. next to the windows so I mean I had to. open the door and look outside to see. you know if it was raining or sunny or. or whatever so I was living in the cave. and I my rent was like $750 or something. like that and I thought to myself should. I get a part-time job or should I just.

go for it and I just said well I'm I'm. just going to go for it so I just. started and this is before the internet. with email and stuff like that so I just. started I had little packets that I'd. put together my clips and then i' in. prior to mail and I'd send them out and. I didn't have a plan B if that didn't. work out I mean I was going to end up in. the park so there there was a strong. incentive for me to um to to make that. work out and I had a pretty good job in.

Academia. that I just kind of walked away from. well I mean it was kind of mutual I. think that was very secure but I I just. I'd reached a point where I I. didn't I just wasn't compatible with. it so I the plan B the plan a there was. you know moved to New York and and if I.

didn't succeed I didn't have a plan B so. when the Franklin Scandal was published. I just thought I'm going to make plan a. work and because I'm not a plan B kind. of guy but plan a did not work and I. found myself living in a hob in. Brooklyn wow and now I don't have. anything as Brooklyn but um I was there. for about a year and it was that was. kind of a a hard time for because I had. to kind of restart my career do and one.

of my friends who was kind of a big shot. at. Network he was the only one that. apologized to. me I said Nick I'm really sorry I you. know I could have been a better friend. to you um when you went through all. those difficulties yeah so one of my. friends in the media one was it that's. it said you know I'm I'm I'm sorry that. I banished you from my life man.

man well I hope you stay hot on the uh. Epstein Trail one more question before. we kind of move on to P. didy do you think Epstein killed. himself in the Franklin Scandal there. were two primary pimps. there was lawren C King and he kept his.

mouth shut did 10 years and then he had. a noow job waiting for at a BM BMW. dealership in uh Alexandria. Virginia and then there was Craig. Spence who was really the black the the. blackmail side of things. and the thing about abstein and. Spence once you're there was so much. media on abste. that he could not be a blackmail.

artist if everybody knows that he's that. is that his homes are equipped with. audiovisual surveillance and he's got. young girls I mean people are not going. to wander into that honey trap and the. same thing happened with Spence but but. both of them had a tremendous amount of. media on them now Spence killed himself. people think that he was suicided I. think my take on Spence is. that he was given the.

choice either you can kill yourself or. we can kill you and he checked into the. Boston rits and he wore a. tuxedo and he took an overdose of n. tripoline which is. anti-depressant and um and then he had a. clipping next to him about CIA agents. being called before government bodies to. testify because he was called before a. grand jury to testify I think he ducked.

it um I don't know whether or not he was. part of that grand jur and I think. Epstein the same thing happened with. Epstein that he had become too uh there. was just too much notoriety on. him and you think he got the. choice I think so you think they relaxed. the security so that he could make that. decision. himself yeah I mean the thing about EP I. like I've had some networks call me like.

Vice called me and said we'd like to. talk to you about whether or not abine. killed. himself and I said to me that's kind of. like a red. herring because the most important thing. with abstein. is that the government is covering up. child trafficking and all these. perpetrators have molested all these. little girls with impunity that is the. most important thing and I think that. his death is a way to steer people away.

from that. so I mean with estein if he didn't kill. himself I'm sure he had some. help well I mean I think it's an. important part of the discussion because. it shows how. corrupt our government is correct and. and and what they will do. to to keep this from seeing the light of. day well William bar was the attorne.

themselves from being prosecuted it's uh. William bar was the Attorney. General under uh Trump that covered all. this. up and that guy is really. dirty your viewers Google William bar. and there's going to be a lot of dirt. that comes up about William. bar and what's really interesting about. William bar is the Franklin Scandal was. covered up by the Bush onean.

Administration that Network. and Richard thorberg was the attorney. general and William bar was the number. two. guy. and that and then ultimately Richard. thorberg went to run for Senate in. Pennsylvania and then William bar became. the attorney general and he covered the. Franklin Network up there were two. Federal grand juries that covered the. Franklin networ one in Nebraska and one. in Washington DC and then lo and.

behold he's Trump's attorney general. covering up the estein. network and it's really interesting. because Donald. bar William Bar's father hired Jeffrey. Epstein in 1974 to teach at Dalton. school and Epstein was not qualified he. he was a College Dropout and Dalton is. one of the most exclusive Preparatory. schools in the. world and what's what I found okay so I.

was looking through um interlockin is. like an art school in northern. Michigan and they have a summer camp and. I've got a picture of abstein and and. this is weird it's a yearbook but it. doesn't have any names but there's a. picture of estein a young Jeffrey estein. in. 1967 and then there's someone that. looks like William bar or a doppelganger.

William bar attending that camp that. year and your viewers can go to my. website and I showed the pictures and. then I justos the picture of what I who. I believe is the young William bar with. the old William bar now in lockin is. said that William bar didn't. attend uh that that camp. but it couldn't say that Epstein didn't. attend the camp because Epstein gave.

them $500,000 to build the estein lodge. which is no longer the Epstein Lodge but. it's interesting so there are those two. pictures and then seven years later. Bar's father hires. Epstein to be to work at UH at D. school and I don't know if he molested. any gser but he was certainly according. to what what I've read was very. inappropriate Epstein yeah with some of.

the girls. here man this [ __ ] just keeps getting. deeper and. deeper well it's I. mean that's. why I formed ebstein. Justice I have seen these pedophile. networks at work I've seen them covered. up I've done two podcasts on the snow.

killings which it was a huge pedophile. Network and uh Francis Sheldon was a. wealthy guy and he ran it and he bought. an. island this was like an Epstein Island. before Epstein and this was in the 70s. he bought an island and had a a Runway. built and he would fly kids to the. island where they'd get molested and. he'd make child pornography. and there were four kids that were. dumped.

on on highways or or roads um within. like a 11mon period of. time and I think that there were a. number. of pedophiles in that Network that. definitely knew about it and probably. participated and killing all of them the. the the uh the the killings were pend on. Christopher Bush and Christopher Bush. ostensibly committed suicide but there.

was no blood splatter I mean the whole. thing was it was really poorly staged as. far as like suicide it was kind of a. ramshackle. exploit but there's that. Network Francis shellin nothing ever. happened to him I mean he went to. Amsterdam and then he ultimately ended. up at an Edge in India where he could. molest kids to his heart.

content there's the Franklin Network. there's epy Network I mean all these. networks have been covered up man and. we We As Americans I mean there all of. these networks I mean we did did you. watch that movie The Sound of Freedom by. chance yes I interviewed Jim cavel uhhuh. they took it down they took the video. had like I just looked it up had like. 1.8 million views pulled it just like no.

warning no nothing too much traction on. this. subject no reasoning they just pulled it. down I mean that so with. Epstein Alexander aosta was the US. attorney for the District of Southern. Florida and he had a list of 36. victims I have the list.

and he was going to impanel a grand. jury to go after Epstein but he was told. to stand out because estein was. Intelligence and and I believe the. constitutionally there are only two. people that can tell a US attorney to. stand down one is the president one is. the attorney general I mean the message. can be delivered by the president or the. Attorney General but it has to emanate. from one of those two positions so. that is very telling of how much power. is there to cover up Epstein according.

to state and federal law enforcement not. a single child was. molested by The Pimps that ran the. Franklin scale not a single. child and then when you get into the. snow. killings it gets kind of mindboggling. because there's a number of people there. were pedophiles that were arrested and. polygraphed about the snow killings and. a bunch of them came back.

negative a bunch of them came back that. they were lying about that and then. there was mitochondrial DNA found in. someone's car of one of the kids but. after Christopher Bush was ostensibly. committed suicide that was it that was. the end of the. investigation that a task force was. formed and they they didn't make one. arrest man. so this is something that we have to.

take care of last time I talked about. last time I was. here the. CDC Centers for Disease Control says. that um. 25% of underage girl underage girls have. been molested and 5% of underage boys. now most. people believe that underage boys is way. underestimated um but right there. there's 50 million Americans if if. you're talking 25% of women and and 5%.

of men that's 50 million Americans that. have been molested as underage boys or. girls yeah so this is a huge problem. that we have to deal with and it's. difficult to know how many kids are. trafficked but I've seen some numbers. that look. relatively strong that indicate like. 300,000 kids are trafficking in States. and where there's a misnomer with people. is that they think that like their.

Mexican kids or Eastern European kids. that's not the case. 85% of children that are trafficked in. America are American. children man that. is very painful to hear. but Nick let's um let's take a quick. break when we come back we'll we'll dive. into p didy and the connection between. him and Epstein.

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Diddy he's an interesting story. um he his dad was a drug dealer who got. shot I've been told it was the contract. was sanctioned by Frank. Lucas but I'm not sure and then his he. and his mom moved uh north of New York. City and I believe he went to Howard for. a couple years and he dropped. out and then he did various things for.

various record companies and then in. 1993 he and Clive Davis founded Bad Boy. Records Clive. Davis how do you describe Clive Davis. there's an infomercial about him now. which is a docu it's being called a. documentary and it makes him look like. this benign octogenarian that's helped. all these rock stars with their. careers but people in the music industry.

really don't like Clive Davis most of. them and the his criminality is kind of. amazing he he got busted he's been for. filing false tax returns three times and. then defrauding the IRS three times he. was involved in the biggest poola. Scandal that's when record companies. give money to uh radio stations to play. their songs mhm he was part of the. biggest prola Scandal of all time as.

president of abbc records and. then there was a general VY crime guy. named Pasqual Falone and he got busted. smuggling 22 pounds of heroin into the. United States and the just s started. digging into him and they came across. all these shell companies that he headed. and cl live Davis was was funneling. money from ABC records to these shell.

companies so I've just told you. about two decades worth of criminality. by Clive Davis and that guy has not. spent one night in jail that's what's. amazing about him so in 1993 I think he. takes P Diddy by the hand and they get. on the yellow brick road. and P didy has been engaged in all kind. of criminal Behavior but nothing has.

come out and I believe for Clive Davis. this is just my surmise for a guy to do. commit as many felonies as as he's. committed and not spend a day in jail I. believe he's working for the government. on on some level as an informant uh I. mean who knows. but so he an informant for what what. makes you think he's working for I would. say like an informant for the FBI or for.

what what would they be. collecting I mean a guy in that position. I'm sure has quite a panoramic view of. certain types of corruption and. criminality where in what realm in in. the music. realm do you think the FBI is actually. interested in the music. realm yeah I mean there's all kinds of. laws on the books about what people. could like the poola Scandal um it's.

against the law for people to give money. for record companies to give money to. radio. stations and who knows I mean I've heard. that that's still going on but the FBI. might want it's it's difficult to know I. mean the FBI might want to enforce that. law or I mean the FB the Epstein stuff. totally makes sense to me it totally. makes sense how that guy would be in. intelligence and and holding all as many. US politicians and Elites as as they.

possibly can with blackmail that makes. perfect sense to me I'm not familiar. with this man uhhuh I don't I don't. think that that would be on the same. level you know and I'm not I'm I have no. idea this is the first I'm hearing about. this so just take whatever I'm saying. with a grain of salt but it does it. seems very low level compared to the. Epstein stuff well the thing about Clive. Davis why I'm suspicious of clyve Davis. is how do you commit that many felonies.

and not spend a day in jail yeah I mean. that doesn't make any sense to me yeah. and then he he gets busted committing. felonies and then he gets like the next. great record executive job and then he. gets busted doing something else and. then he gets the next great record. executive job. so I think that the only way that you. can commit those kind of felonies and. not spend a night in jail as if you've.

got something worked out do you think. they're holding him do you think he may. be some type of an informant to. Blackmail artists into. into messaging whatever narrative they. want in the public eye through musicians. it's difficult to know but people think. the power that musicians rock stars have. that's kind of what I'm getting at I. mean I can't remember the numbers but.

they you know they say Taylor Swift. could could could influence a an. enormous percentage of the US population. in an in an election and so that's why. I'm asking you know I'm not. 100% actually have no idea who Davis is. affiliated with what kind of. musicians he's affiliated with the. biggest names but is in who uh Bruce. Springstein I mean I mean people like. that he's okay he's launched a lot of so.

he could be M. blackmailing Elite musicians to message. particular narratives for FBI CIA that's. the thing I just don't know I mean but. how does a guy commit that many felonies. and not spend a day in jail that is what. I with Clive Davis that's what I've been. trying to get my mind. around and the only thing I can think of. is he's an informant of some.

kind I mean if you or. I got busted defrauding the IRS just. once we'd probably have to spend some. time in jail oh yeah I mean they put. Bernie Carrick in in in prison for was. it tax evasion for paying an yeah for. paying his Nanny cash that's that's tax. evasion so how does this guy I mean how. does everybody pay I mean you know.

everybody who has long care service are. those sat on the books you know what I. mean give me a break so how does a guy. get I mean he's he's def he's been. busted def Fring the IRS three times I. mean and filing false tax returns three. times so how does it and then that's not. even getting into the Peola and the. shell companies that he's hooking up. with the genovesi guy I just don't. understand how that guy doesn't spend a. day in jail yeah and I don't understand. how there's a documentary about him well.

I I kind of understand that that makes. him out to be this. benign octogenarian only re I'm only. reason I'm asking is I'm just curious. what you think that intelligence. agencies would get out of having him on. the books other the only thing that can. come to mind my mind is. messaging messaging um. like rockstars have a tremendous amount. of power and I mean who.

knows with Clive. Davis I live in New York City and I know. some people in in the music industry and. they look at him as like the Antichrist. I mean really yeah there there's this. infomercial AKA documentary about him. that as I said makes him look as a. kindly oener but the people that I know. in the music industry do not hold clyve.

Davis in very high. regard and in 1993 he hooks up with P. Diddy and they launch Bad Boy Records. which becomes this unbelievable. success now P. Diddy has been getting away with all. kinds of stuff there was that shooting. that he walked from um shine took the. fall for it and. we've seen some clips of him beating on. women I mean that's pretty standard.

operating procedure for. him but now there's eight lawsuits that. have been filed against him for sexual. assault didn't he skip the country. immediately after his place was busted. well he was going to skip the country he. didn't but I think he stayed in. Florida and I could be wrong there but. he's got these eight lawsuits two of. them are minors two of the women that.

are suing him were minors when he. molested them and he molested them in in. a very brutal manner uh how. so well they were miners and he was very. forceful and then the fifth lawsuit has. been filed by little Rod who also claims. that he was sexually assaulted but he. said and this is a lot of the traction. is coming from in the media he was. talking. about like Cuba Gooding Jr and other.

people um being in on. pides sexual sexapadesspelled. and his houses in La were searched in in.

Miami and and there was hidden. cameras and Homeland Security it's kind. of strange Homeland Security was were. the people that like spearheaded the. investigation It's usually the FBI that. does. that Homeland Security does have a human. trafficking division so it's entirely. possible. that it's on the up and up but I'm not. quite sure because that those search. warrants emanated from the southern.

district of New. York and why would the southern district. of New York send execute search warrants. in LA and also Miami why wouldn't they. just. have the US attorney for for Los Angeles. or Miami execute those search warrants. and the fact that they emanated from the. southern district that the US attorney. there is Damen. Williams and Damen Williams because it's.

Damen Williams we know the fix is in and. this is the Nexus between ebstein Damen. Williams is the Nexus between abstein. and uh and P. Diddy. interesting Williams was the one okay. that the trial of Maxwell there were. four abstein victims that were called to. testify. now those victims had only been molested. by estea Maxwell they had not been.

molested by any of the power Brokers. that was a very carefully choreographed. trial and I know a woman who covered. that trial for a media outlet and she. agreed with me that it was very. carefully choreographed and Damen. Williams oversaw that he was a US. attorney that oversaw that that that. trial and and he he made. sure that no one could be indicted other. than. Maxwell and so now he's in charge of the.

PDD. investigation and he interesting and. he's ostensibly well he there's a grand. jury now that's been um impanel to look. into the PDD investigation so with grand. juries a special prosecutor is chosen. for a grand jury and Grand jurors are. just people that have shown up for jury. duty and have been called to a grand. jury so special prosecutors can really.

twist the opinions and minds of grand. jurors because only the evidence that. the special prosecutor wants shown and. only the the witnesses that the special. prosecutor calls that's that's the. information that the grand jurors get. like the Epstein grand jury in Florida. which the documents were the testimony. was released about three weeks ago and. it really showed how corrupt it is. there that special prosecutor the.

assistant of the special Pro she's. calling this girl who was molested by. Epstein when she was 14 who was. testifying when she was 16 like a. prostitute I mean you know and and that. grand jury did not indict estein on a. single count of child B so now we have. Damen Williams the US attorney for the. southern district and who is considered. to be the most powerful federal law. enforcement officer in New York the. southern district district is that's. kind of like a special position for. people and we know that Damen Williams.

is overseeing this P didy grandury like. and whatever is going to come out of. it I believe the fix is in I think P. didy might get indicted that that grand. jury has been in impanel I think for. about a month I think P didy might get. indicted I think some people maybe one. of his kids might get indicted but P. didy had what he called freak off. parties and what was that P didy had.

what he called freak off parties freak. off parties fre freak off parties yeah. where there would just be like a ma and. alien orgy essentially and politicians. went to those parties celebrities went. to those parties sports stars went to. those. parties and he had that hidden. audiovisual blackmail thing going on. like Epstein like Craig. Spence. and I just.

wonder getting back to Clive. Davis did he get into that via Clive. Davis or did he just come into it by. himself but again is p didy going to be. blackmailing because P didy dealt with. some unbelievably powerful people can PD. blackmail those people by themselves or. is he blackmailing. for some kind of covert. entity interesting that's that's the.

question but the fact that we got Damien. Williams overseeing his investigation it. reached a point with P didy where there. were so many sexual assault lawsuits. getting filed against him that something. had to be done and all this was coming. out about his beating up women and there. was a president of Bad Boy Records that. he took a baseball bat too I mean he's. just a nasty piece of work. and I think it reached a critical mass. where something had to be done so.

calling Damen Williams he's covered up. abstein now he's going to be covering up. P. Diddy yeah that is. a interesting commonality between the. two for sure and here's another Nexus. Damian Williams his parents were. Jamaican and he got a grant from the.

Daisy and from the Paul and Daisy Soros. Foundation to go to I think it was y Law. School I think he got like $90,000 from. him and that's Paul Soros is the brother. of Peter. Soros. and what's what I find now this could be. something really ominous or it could. just be a very strange. coincidence on the board of the Paul and.

Daisy Soros Foundation is Peter. Soros Paul soros's son and uh Peter. soros's nephew and he has circled twice. in Epstein's black book not just once. but. twice. so is there something really ominous. that's going on there or is that just a. coincidence that that Damen Williams.

gets this huge Grant from the Paul and. Daisy Soros foundation and Peter Soros. is on the board and Damen William just. goes on to cover up estein um these are. one of those things that you never. know but it's. certainly quite a. coincidence that so there's a couple of. nexuses there between estein and P Diddy. although Damen Williams is certainly the.

common denominator do you know what. politicians went to the parties is there. any documentation of that there is I. mean where would people find that. documentation it's it's coming out on. the internet and various news. organizations is it real. I think so I. mean I'm I'm sure that some of it's just. salacious [ __ ] but I'm also I mean.

there were a lot of people that P didy. sucked into his. orbit and it's entirely possible that. they were blackmailed. yeah wow because he had those hidden. cameras. and a lot of powerful people and miners. we were talking about that. before if you're drinking and there's a. minor and you think she's not a.

minor you I mean just right there you. know I mean now I I don't know I. don't man it's just so It's Tricky It's. Tricky well I. mean It's Tricky it is you go to a party. maybe you don't know what's going on you. see a a a what you think is a woman with.

a drink that automatically would make. you assume that she's 21 years. old oh surprised she's not and we got. you on. camera and that's the thing with P didy. because Damen Williams is overseeing. this we're not going to really know MH I. mean eventually stuff will come out. about PD like it. has but I don't think that there's going. to be a tremendous amount of.

Justice there never seems to be when it. comes to. kids. and what I. find kind of startling is I'm the only. guy that's put together the Damen. Williams Nexus between the two I I've. never heard anybody else talk about. Damen Williams I mean people talk about. like this guy or that guy and all this. salacious [ __ ]. but I've never heard Damen Williams.

mentioned in any. coverage that has anything to do with uh. p didy i mean there was there. was it also seemed like he had a. a been very addicted to power and. control because there are also and. correct me. these may be rumors but I think it has. come out uh I mean wasn't he having.

Junior artists sodomize him on camera. and and. such yes and then he was also Bill Cosby. women. too giving them. ruies what was so that but that was that. was all power and control You'll Never. Leave This Record label I own your ass. you're going to sodomize me right here. on camera or this all goes away I mean.

is that how it. went. now I haven't. really found the particulars of it yet. like that but it wouldn't surprise me I. mean when we're talking about P didy. we're talking about a thoroughly. reprehensible individual. and little rod in his lawsuit says that. one of the.

rappers had a fight with p didy and his. son and they went into the bathroom and. shots rang out and the rapper was. shot and P didy told little rod and some. other people to to move him outside of. the. studio and say that he'd been hit by. gunfire from from a driveby shooting and. actually it was reported in La that he. was hit by gunfire from a driveby.

shooting and here's the the thing with. that how are comps going to not be able. to differentiate someone shot at Point. Blank and then shot by driveby shooting. I mean that would be pretty easy yeah to. to show the difference but that's how. it's down it's it's down and according. to the mainstream media it's down as a. drive by. shooting and nothing happened and what's.

really I. find troubling shocking his head of. security free. Muhammad was the head of security for. Michael. Jackson so there's a guy free Muhammad. there's a guy that knows how to keep. secrets. you know it is it is in it. is man these aren't.

coincidences I well I mean you there you. reach so many coincidences that you know. I mean what can you extrapolate that but. I would say that Muhammad is a guy that. free Muhammad is a guy that knows how to. keep. secrets and he's also from my research a. a great fixer he's got really good. Connections in the uh Los Angeles Police. Department and La Sheriff the kind of.

connections that would enable someone. who is shot at Point Blank Range and. then it's reported that they're shot by. a driveby shooting those type of. connections to be able to pull something. like that off he's I guess he's the the. a consumate fixer and he's made a lot of. money he bought his son as youngest on. like a huge track of um real estate near. San Diego and Southern California real.

estate is very very. expensive so being a. Security Supervisor for free Muhammad. it's been a very very good career move. for him first for Michael Jackson and. now for p. ddy wow. I mean I'd like to I'd like.

to. man so you think it was an intelligence. op again P did he. yeah I mean the fact that Damen Williams. is. involved if Damen Williams wasn't. involved I would be kind of IGN. IC but the fact that Damen Williams is. involved shows me that the coverup is.

being orchestrated from on. high and with the Epstein case as I said. earlier Alexander aosi us attorney was. told to stand down and there's only two. people that can tell a US attorney to. stand down and that's the president and. the Attorney. General Damen Williams is a US attorney. the most powerful us attorney in New. York and he's. already choreographed one trial and now.

with this grand jury I mean who knows. what these Grand jurors are listening to. um I'm sure. that I mean if P DIY doesn't get. indicted on anything I'll be kind of. shocked but I don't think we're going to. see many other maybe maybe his kid might. get. indicted you don't think we'll see a. list there's not I we're not going to. see a lot of powerful people get. indicted that should be indicted like. with abstein there should have been a.

lot of people indicted but with p didy. and there should probably be a lot of. people indied but we're not going to see. because of we know who is in charge of. the grand. jury so chances are is going to be a. very corrupt grand jury it's going to. serve as a ham. sandwich man that's sad any I mean how. was he Z new news on how he was. recruiting these women these girls how. he was coaxing them.

in he was he was getting a lot of. escorts for sure I mean he was big on. escorts and I. don't he was like the two miners that. filed the lawsuits he just was able to. get them into his clutches with his Fame. and his. power and the girls were. naive and they didn't think.

that they. were going to see a. monster they thought they were going to. see his Holiness P. Diddy and then they were in for quite a. Awakening what are they. saying he forcefully rape. them and uh one of them. pretty it was pretty. ugly for. sure and little.

rod says multiple. miners so we've got the the lawsuit two. lawsuits launched by miners but then. little Rod said there were there were. multiple minors and that made him very. uncomfortable when he voiced his. reluctance to P didy to be part of these. Miners and P didy just kind of said shut. up and go with it. and those are the kind of people that we. have at top the music.

business I'm I'm sure that there's got. to be some good. people but I think that there's a lot of. Clive davises and P diddies that are in. our entertainment yeah they are involved. in our entertainment yeah yeah yeah. Hollywood doesn't uh. Hollywood seems to be wor. you know Hollywood. Babylon I know that I haven't been able.

to sell a Franklin Scandal documentary. in Hollywood I mean I've tried like 40. times and um I mean I've met with I've. met with so many different guys hey. would you guys mind just exposing. yourself let's make a movie about it but. what's really interesting is a number of. times I've gone as a vice president has. really been into it and then they go to. the president whether it be a network or.

a platform and then he or she vetos. it so there are people. in La that would or Showbiz that would. like to see a Franklin Scandal docu. series but um we just haven't been able. to and it was optioned by Magnolia. pictures for three years. and we had some really high-powered. people pitching it and we still couldn't.

get people to. bite man so that's been kind of tough. trying to sell a docu series on on my. book yeah yeah well let's get in is. there anything else we need to cover. with P Diddy no I'd like to talk a. little bit about Epstein Justice though. let's do it last time I was here I was. talking about Epstein. Justice and we hadn't been granted 501c3. status but now we have and EPC justi is.

we really gaining a lot of momentum. we've got a very good Advisory Board of. some of. the some very eminent people in the. non-tracking world are part of our. Advisory Board we've got a really good. staff and. on August 17th we're having our first. Forum we're calling them.

forums and it's going to be in Dunlap. Iowa and what we're doing is we were. initially we wanted to get a lot of. people to show up in Washington DC but. we're building an infrastructure and. after Dunlap Ohio it's going to be. Houston and we're going to start having. these forums we can bring people. together and what we want and we've got. a newsletter now too and what we want is.

people to take the. initiative of wanting to put on these. forums themselves and then we will help. them with that. because we have to make a stand with. abstein we cannot let the government. cover up child. trafficking we we just have to make that. S and A lot of people are aware of. Epstein when you've got a.

disease there's three facets there's. awareness there's acceptance there's. action a lot of people aren aware of of. abene but the acceptance part that the. government covered up now that is. something that I talk to people and. they're not even aware of. that so I think that when we reach a. critical mass of. acceptance will'll be able to have. action at that.

point and I realize we're going against. the grain but I think that the. government covering up child trafficking. I really believe it is the only issue. that can unite the right and the left at. this point the right and the left are so. polarized about everything yeah except. children being molested with. impunity I don't know if that's. necessarily true Nick I don't know if. that's true what what are your.

thoughts well I mean you see the you see. the left and what are they doing they're. they are making pedophilia normal again. not normal again they're making it. normal they don't want to we're not and. they don't want you to call them. pedophiles anymore they want you to call. them Maps minor attracted persons this. is a real thing no no I know I I follow. this stuff but that's like a very small. part of the left is it though yes it is.

is it because I don't see anybody on the. left calling this [ __ ] out I haven't. seen one person on the left say this is. up no you know what I see I see a bunch. of complicit people maybe they're. complicit because they want that to. happen I mean you see all the poit we're. just talking about all the politicians. that that have blackmail over them that. we don't that you haven't even named and. I'm not I'm not trying to polarize.

anything here I'm just calling out what. I see and what I see is the left not. doing anything to protect kids we are. doing sex changes to. eight-year-olds we are calling. pedophiles minor attracted persons and I. don't see anybody and not one one person. on that side of the aisle doing a damn. thing about it correct me if I'm wrong I. think okay on my Advisory board or the.

fste Justice Advisory Board we have. people that are progressives we have. people that are. conservatives I I wanted a mix of. everybody I think that's smart and the. people that are on our Advisory Board. and and other people I know in the. anti-trafficking community and I know a. lot of people in the anti-trafficking. community they all think that's crazy. what you're talking about they think. it's completely insane I don't doubt.

that there's a segment of the left it's. kind of like with uh I mean I'm hoping. you can name somebody that is actually. standing out against this on the left. because I haven't seen. it I there's it's like qanon I mean you. know in Washington now are you aware of. this in Washington state they can now. the state can take your kid if you don't. if you do not want them to get what what.

do they call it gender affirming care or. something the state will will take your. kid well that wokeness okay now that's. an entire state that got voted in the. the wokeness I agree with you it's. gotten insane. completely but there's a lot of people. on the left that think it's insane. it's like qan on on the right. where the clintons are satanists and.

they're trafficing their children and. they're going to eat them I mean kinon. was pretty far out there and that is the. problem is that people on the left think. everybody's. kinon and people on the right think. everybody on the left is about. woke and most people that I I live in. New York City which is kind of the. epicenter of liberalism and most people. that I know that are on the left think. it's completely. insane then how does this stuff keep. passing I mean how did qanon I mean when.

you get zealous people Kon isn't turning. into law this [ __ ] is turning into law I. agree with that. and I I. think because I know some pretty big. liberal. pundits and and they're kind of afraid. to touch this um but it is getting.

rolled back men it's getting to the. point where men could identify as women. and be thrown in women's prisons um or. jails and that's being outlawed and Men. participating in women's sports I mean I. mean it went that far it got that crazy. but now it's it's the the pendulum is. coming back. and I think that. that that will eventually reach some.

kind of equilibrium I I do believe that. but I think it's a misnomer to think. that everybody on the left is behind. that is is is cool with I don't I don't. believe everybody on the left is behind. that all I'm asking is why is nobody on. the left standing up for these kids. and but they are standing up for. pedophiles they are standing up for. pedophiles silence.

is I. mean just they're not saying anything. they're not standing up for the kids. they're kids they're kids there are. there are people this is some [ __ ] we. could actually do something about right. now right now all they have to do is. vocalize that they are not for this and. don't vote for this [ __ ] but they. continue to vote for it and and yeah I'm.

sure that there are people out there on. the left. that I mean I I hate that we even have. to have this discussion I'm sure there. are people that that vote left that are. that that that are against this but they. sure as hell aren't saying anything. about it I know feminists that are. completely appall by. it farle feminists that are completely. appalled by.

it. especially it they think that. it's like a men's Right movement because. of men being identifying as women and. being allowed to I mean and that that. has not happened a lot where men of. identified as women and ended up in. jails and raped women I mean that it's. happened but it hasn't happened a lot. and then you had Riley gains the swimmer.

coming out and saying this is this is. insane that men are competing as women. and that she she's been listened to I. mean that's that's. changing so I think the pendulum swung. pretty far to the left but I think I. think it's coming. back as. we look at and throughout. history we see pendulums swing to the.

left and then ultimately swing. back and I think that that's kind of. what's going to happen here yeah well I. hope you're right I do too you know. cuz I mean I. I I have I mean I have. some left leaning views I do but I just. I I can when I see headline after. headline it just came out again yes a.

couple days ago in California what did. you see that no um man what was the. headline I got to we might have to pause. it and look it up but it was it was oh. it was. teachers and this is this is. Teachers what was it now. teachers basically don't have to inform. the parents if the kid is if a child is.

uh wanting to change sex basically is. what the bill has to do with but I mean. it's. just the point I'm making is yeah I mean. there is there is crazy [ __ ] on the. right too that that annoys me but it's. not it is not. it's conspiracy [ __ ] like you were just. talking about it's not law it's not. harming children it's not standing up.

for pedophilia and in in and trying to. normalize it in society and that that. that I mean I have kids and that really. bothers me really bothers me to me there. is nothing more evil in this world than. to than to sexually assault. little. kids yeah I mean that's I think I don't. know how anybody can be behind that but.

they are but I mean it's like. Namba it's it's a very small percentage. of people on the left they are not going. to pedophilia is not going to be. legalized well they're making a hell of. a lot of ground there are people that. are trying but that's come up. occasionally over the years and it's not. going to be a that will not happen. I was hanging out with I'm in Tennessee. I'm visiting a couple old friends of. mine and they've got three kids.

and the husband is fairly conservative. the wife is fairly liberal the kids are. pretty liberal and we were just talking. about this last night at the dinner. table and I said to them what do you. guys think. about and and these are they're what do. you think about what what which one are. we talking about I talking about kids. getting sex. changes and they're pretty liberal I. mean they they all go to very good.

schools but they're they're they're Li. kids and um and I said I I kind of. started out the convers I said I don't. see how people a hell of a dinner. conversation that it's um well we were. drifting in that area and then I figured. you know it was before dessert hey by. the way what do you guys so I said to. them when I was 12 or 13 years old I had. no idea of who I. was so how could I even begin to try to.

find. my uh I mean even think about something. like that and those three kids agreed. with me that these are issues that. shouldn't be. involved that kids shouldn't be involved. in they they've you got to be 18 at. least 18 um and I I I think that there's. a lot of people that don't even know who. they are when they're 18 I mean there's. a lot of people don't know who they are.

when they're 40 but. definitely when I see people under 18. given hormone. blers um it I I find it truly. repulsive but. again I think that most of the people on. the left find that repulsive too I. really do why do you think they don't. vocalize. it I know that there's some leftwing.

pundits that I know that. are concerned about various. issues and they don't want to be to deal. with that type of an issue they're. they're concerned about the Ukraine war. the uh the war in Gaza um and they don't. want to be bogged down by that. particular issue so yeah they're more. concerned about Foreign Wars that we. probably should not even be involved.

with rather than our own kids here in. this country I'd love to interview one. of those pundits I will um have that. conversation I I will actually see if I. can get one to talk to you good uh. because with the anti-trafficking. movement it's pretty interesting it's. people that are are. religious and people that. are very far left. feminist those are the two groups that.

are most prominent in the. anti-trafficking movement anti-child. trafficking. movement and I see them coming together. for this issue and I think that they can. come together for this issue around. ebstein I mean once people understand. ebstein and and. Franklin and the snow murders and P. Diddy I mean it's it it just keeps.

coming I mean the Catholic Church the. Boy. Scouts they can that type. of issue I believe I mean I see it now. units right and the left in the. anti-trafficking movement anti-human. traffing moment so I believe that it can. happen on a on a on a much bigger scale. I hope you're right Nick I do too I. would love to see some people on the. left start taking a stand on this stuff.

even even when the call the the sound of. Freedom came out remember all those. headlines it's all. [Music]. conspiracy it's all this it's all that. was all left-wing media putting that. [ __ ] out and and and hold on and the. point of it is it's hey whether this is. cons like conspiracy or not this [ __ ] is. happen happening it is happening right. now and that. movie whether it was true or not some.

type of uh fiction based off a whatever. it was that was educating parents and. kids on how this happens and how. prominent it actually is in our society. and they [ __ ] blew it off they made. it out to be you know some. some [ __ ] that people shouldn't be. watching they tried as hard as they. could to squash that so that it didn't. so that it didn't gain any traction oh.

sorry but the only thing that movie did. was educate and bring awareness to what. the [ __ ] is actually going on and they. tried to squash it now why do you think. they tried to squash it because they. didn't want the interess but we are. talking about the mainstream. media that tried to squash it the. mainstream media has tried to squash me. is is that a right or a left. thing I don't know I think that the left.

might have buy into it the sound of. fre but I know lots of people on the. left that went to the sound of Freedom. um I I do know some people on the left. that thought it was going to be. right-wing propaganda I mean Tim Ballard. given his behavior I mean he didn't. really help that issue too much. but the media because for. me I've been ostracized by the right and.

the left media you know I. mean there was. um we could go I don't want it to sound. like I'm just leaning one way I mean cuz. I could we could go off on the right. right now but that it's it's not. relevant to this discussion I was going. to be. um okay I told you about the CNN where. they said we're going to go a different. direction when sandeski was. breaking there was uh a younger producer.

at Fox that had read the Franklin scale. and she called my publisher and said. that she'd like to talk to me and then. so we talked and I told her what I. thought about sandeski and I said what. you have here is an institution that. just wants to perpetuate its money power. and its Prestige and you know it's not. going to care children are going to be. put in second place to that and then I. talked to the senior. producer for about 3.

minutes and she told my publisher that I. sounded. incoherent and that's the reason why she. wasn't going to and this is fox now. so I've. been I've been ostracized by both the. right and the left yeah but here's the. thing I believe as crazy as things are. right. now I believe in the phenomenal decency. of Americans to do the right thing I I I.

do believe in that that Americans will. do the right thing and I think. that there might be. some small segment of people on the left. that want to legalize pedophilia I don't. see pedophilia ever legalized I mean I I. just don't see. it there'd be too much blowback because. I think that Americans are fundamentally. decent.

people I believe that the media and we. were just talking about this I believe. that the. media can affect them and negatively and. what's really interesting that I find is. that 66 I think it's 66% of Americans. don't trust the mainstream media but yet. they listen to it. but there's blogs and there's. podcasts I mean for.

me when I was shut up in 2002 2003 2004. all those years I was shut up by the. Mainstreet media and I didn't have. really an opportunity to get my message. out there about the Franklin Scandal and. then and then about abene but now I do I. mean there's a lot of outlets like like. your. show I can get my message out I don't. need the mainstream media I think the. mainstream media is very.

corrupt regardless if it's right or it's. left six. corporations churn out 90% of the media. that's Ed by Americans you've got these. six Titanic. corporations and they could easily be. broken up with the Sherman Antitrust Act. this is my feeling about it I think that. there's a. dayon between these Titanic media.

conglomerates and the. government because the government could. step in and break them up at any. time so I think they appease each. other and whether it be right or. left like Nick Bryant has been. ostracized from both sides I mean. I've been getting interviewed by. Newsmax lately. but I've.

been banished by both the right and left. yeah yeah. and I said Nick I'm not I'm not saying. the rights any better I'm saying I'm. talking about this one particular issue. and I think that that issue is crazy and. I think most Americans know what. crazy. and I think that the political.

correctness that was kind of incubating. in the 90s has ultimately led to. this. but and that political correctness. has it's it's a force in Academia. unfortunately. mhh and I think that what we're dealing. with now is an outgrowth of. that but I also. think that the vast majority of.

Americans are against it and I I don't I. don't see it yeah all I know is it's. it's not getting smaller it's getting. bigger more and more states are passing. this [ __ ] there there it's it's coming. in headlines more and more and more I. mean I remember I remember a year ago. we were interviewing this guy Ryan. Montgomery. uh who I think you you know who R is.

yeah I I talk to him yeah interviewed. this guy Ryan Montgomery re brought up. the maps oh guess what I got labeled a. conspiracy theorist again and then bam. here's this article bam here's that. article this state that state Bam Bam. Bam it's everywhere it's every it just. came out again you know a couple days. ago like I I just said this new thing in. California with the kids it's it's you. know it's so I mean I want to believe. you I do that the majority of Americans.

don't want this but it's but the problem. is it's a it's a growing problem not a. shrinking problem and do you think that. it's an outgrowth of we've got a a. government that's letting children get. molested with. impunity do you think that there's any. kind of correlation between that and. what we have here. possibly because I I've been writing. about children's issues since 1990 yeah.

I've written a book about lower. socioeconomic. children and what I see. is it's pretty egregious what's. happening to American children um. families with children are the fast. growing segment of the homeless. population uh there although it's gotten. better when I wrote that book there were. 10 million uh American children that. were uninsured now. there's I think far.

less but. 22.5% or 22% of American children are. growing up below the poverty threshold. but when you just toose there was a. study done by Greg Duncan he was a. University of Michigan um researcher and. he found that if a child is born at a. low birth weight which is is generally. because of the mother doesn't receive. proper prenatal care and they're. subjected to continuous poverty for 5. years if they're white their IQ is going.

to be 90 if they're black their IQ is. going to be. 85 and millions of American children. experience. hunger every. month. so where is I mean this is where our. government needs to step in and start. helping. children. and I think that a lot of Americans. aren't really aware of the state of.

American. children with what what I see with like. children being the fast growing segment. of the homeless population children. being without healthcare. insurance. um I I I think it's kind of a wholesale. destruction of our children and with. ebstein and. anlin and these other issues we've been. talking about I think that's kind of a. retail destruction of our children where. there's a wholesale destruction there's. a retail destruction so I think.

Americans are fundamentally. decent but but they really need. edification about the state of their. children. yeah so I mean that's a tough question I. mean I ask that to myself all the time F. yeah well let's move into the truth. about. Watergate I know everybody out there has.

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Liars there's been some great books. written about Watergate I mean really. good books but they're. Toms and they're. complex and they have to be. studied the best books about Watergate. like secret agenda and Silent. coup great books the scholarship is. amazing but you just can't pick up one. of those books and read it and fully. understand what's going on and I started.

looking into. Watergate. when when I. was researching. Franklin in. DC I heard a bunch of stuff about Bob. Woodward the fame Journal L him and Carl. Bernstein broke. Watergate stuff that was very unsavory. about Bob. Woodward.

and over the years I've just kind of. collected books on Watergate and I've. read. them and I concluded that Bob W was ly. and we'll get into it later about deep. throat I mean it just doesn't make it. just doesn't align I mean the the. physics of it but. um the more more I read it about. Watergate the more I wanted to write a. book but I wanted to write a simple book. I wanted to make Watergate as simple as.

possible so it could be Watergate for. dummies but it's still very complex. Watergate is a conspiracy within a. conspiracy and I I'll kind of explain. that later but it's Watergate is so. complex there's so much misdirection. going on and the. media the media is betrayal of. werg. is. and magnan I mean.

it's it's an enormous. lie and with Watergate okay so Nixon got. elected in '. 68 and he'd been a hawk he he'd been. really an anti-communist talk he was in. the house on on American activities. going after people. and he ran for president in. 60 and he got beat by JFK and then he.

ran for a California governor in' 62 and. he got beat and then he moved to New. York and thought he was done with. politics and he was pretty aurbic uh. when he got beat for governor he said. some pretty nasty things about the media. but then in 19 in in 19666. 7 he saw America becoming. unglued by the Vietnam War and all the. protests and that was like horrifying to.

most Americans but to Nixon it was a. siren. song it summoned him back to. politics and well he had spent eight. years in the. wilderness he had concluded that. containment with the Soviet Union and. the Communists wasn't. working and he wanted to. actually become a peacemaker and and.

when he was campaigning in 68 and I'm. not a Nixon. apologist he he did some good things he. did some bad things um but when he was. campaigning in ' 67 he was talking about. I'm going to be The Peacemaker and. everybody thought oh you know this is. just Nick and ly and you know it's just. this cynical campaign Ploy but when he. did get. elected he started reaching out to the. Communist Chinese and he started. reaching out to the Russians he wanted.

to do strategic armor limitations with. the Soviet Union and he wanted to open. up China for diplomatic relations. because once China had become communist. once ma had defeated shenai. Sheek we just. completely ostracized. China and Nixon knew. that he was going to have to go up. against the Hawks to do this and he knew. how much power the Hawks had and on his.

I think it's the second day he came out. with National Security memorandum. decision 2 which sounds kind of like an. innocuous bureaucratic directive but. basically what he said is that the CIA. the Department of Defense and the state. department will have no bearing on any. of my geopolitical moves so basically he. was telling the Hawks to go to hell. and then he took the National Security. Council which had been kind. of uh kind of like a think tank and he.

made that he turned that into something. that would have bearing on his. geopolitical. moves and Richard Helms who was the head. of the CIA he would allow Helms to brief. the National Security Council but as. soon as he was done briefing he would he. would have to leave he his Persona Nang. grada and Nixon really disliked Helms. really disliked him and actually he. thought that the.

CIA had burned him in the 1960 political. campaign against JFK because JFK was. attacking him and the Eisenhower. Administration for being soft on. communism even though the Eisenhower. Administration was gearing up for what. would be the Bay of. Pigs and Nixon thought that the CIA. had told that to. Kennedy and undermined his his Run for. the presidency at that point so. Nixon didn't like the CIA and he wanted.

to become a. peacemaker. so he started making overtures to the. Communist the the Chinese and then the. Russians he really wanted to deescalate. the arms. race and he was doing all this. clandestinely. through the Navy had this top secret. Communication System called sr1 he was. doing it all clandes through.

sr1 and the Hawks were alarmed and The. Joint Chiefs of. Staff actually initiated an Espionage. ring against the Nixon. Administration there was. um Thomas Moore he was the uh head of. the Joint Chiefs is an admiral and there. it's called the more Radford affair. because Radford was this ly yman who was.

the liaison between the Joint Chiefs of. the National Security Council and he was. the Inside Man for them in the at the. National Security Council and heg was. enabling uh Radford to get all these top. secret. documents like we were going to uh. we were allies with India but Pakistan. had a dictator that was friendly to. China so the next.

Administration although we and Pakistan. and um India were engaged at a war the. Nicks Administration tacitly. approved what Pakistan was. doing and then probably Admiral Moore. leaked it out to the press and there was. this huge blowback because the the. Pakistani dictator was kind of a a. bloodthirsty type but Nixon wanted to so. badly to open up communications with the.

Chinese that that he was willing to do. these things and so the national Chief. The Joint Chiefs has this Espionage ring. where they're collecting all this. information on what Nixon's doing but. the Nick Administration ultimately outs. them and at that point. the CIA starts. infiltrating and the guys that I mean. it's amazing how many CIA people.

intelligence people infiltrate the next. Administration. and the big thing with Watergate. is there were there were two. conspiracies going on but the first. conspiracy was the CIA trying to bring. down the next Administration. and there were a number of leaks going. on like the the Pakistan leak and the. Pentagon papers and these various leaks.

and they were driving Nixon crazy and. Heir liman put together a crew called. the plumbers and the raison Dietra for. the Plumbers was to plug leaks and. that's where these CI guys ended up is. uh e Howard hunt who was a scarless guy. and James McCord who. was I it's it's kind of difficult to. describe James McCord but they.

penetrated the. plumbers and Gordon ly. was supposedly the head of the plumbers. but mcord and. Hunt these guys were like super Spooks. and they just ran circles around lyy. they lyy had no idea. what what these guys were up. to and then so you've got the. CIA wanting to take down Nixon and.

infiltrating the. plumbers but you've got something else. going on John Dean who is one of the. heroes of Watergate. who saw that he he saw the moral. turpitude of the NEX Administration and. came clean and helped bring Nexon down. John Dean. I mean there's some amazing Liars. extraordinary Liars in Watergate but but. John Dean is John Dean is right up there.

with Woodward and Bernstein when it. comes to lies but John Dean's wife. Marine Dean knew or worked for a woman. named Heidi. reiken and Heidi riken ran a. brothel that was a BL away from the. Watergate and if you were a democratic. Big Shot you go to it there's a. secretary uh named Maxi WS at the. Democratic National Committee you would. go to.

her and she would provide you like a. pictures of the. prostitutes and you would choose the. prostitute that you liked and then you'd. go to the the Columbia was like upscale. apartments and then you would go to the. Columbia and then you'd have a liaison. with the prostitute that you like. but the CI was filming it it was uh it. was it was run by. mcord um that that particular Honey Trap.

and you've got so you've got these two. Dynamics with Watergate you've got the. CIA wanting to take the uh the ncks. administration down and then you've got. this brothel that's connected to the DNC. that's a CI Honey Trap so those are the. two big variables and they conal and. I'll be be with you in one second after. I take the sip of.

coffee. so hunt and. mcord they they initially well hunt and. lyy break in to Daniel ellsburg releases. the the Pentagon papers which show. that what what's been going on in.

Vietnam is a lie that we're not making. any progress in. Vietnam so hunt gets these Cubans who. are were our CI assets and they break. into Dr fielding's office and then then. the next thing is Watergate now. it's it's kind of interesting why the. Watergate was chosen and Nixon did not. order a breakin into the Watergate I. don't believe Erman and hollerman they.

were number two HR hollerman was the. number two guy in the next. Administration John Erman was the number. three guy and John Mitchell was the. Attorney General number four guy none of. those guys ordered that. Breakin John Dean. was counil to the president and Jeb. McGruder. was the acting boss of the committee to. reelect the President John Mitchell the. Attorney General was going to take over. from mcder but while Mitchell served as.

attorney general McGruder was the acting. boss and he and. Dean were the ones that colluded. together and sent those burglars into. the. Watergate and the first time they broke. in. the F so they broke the the the water. the Democratic National Committee was on. the sixth floor and the Federal Reserve. was on the eighth floor so mcord and.

four Cubans sign in like at 11:30 on a. Friday night to the eighth floor to the. Federal Reserve which had been burgled. and had intensified security at that. point I mean they were trying to get. busted and the security guard had had. the IQ of an avocado. he couldn't put it together that these. guys were about to pull off a burglary. so they went in there a second.

time and they actually told there was a. DC cop named Carl schoffler and he was. he was a CI guy but he was also a DC guy. a DC police officer and one of McCord's. underlings called schafler and said. we're breaking into the Watergate. tonight so we need and and schler was. parked two blocks away from the. Watergate he should not have been there. that.

night and and here's where the two. conspiracies come together because some. of those. Cubans one of them Eugenia Martinez has. the. key to the desk drawer that has the. pictures. and when they're busted their. photography equipment is set up on that. desk so those were the.

orders by Dena. mcder to go after that blackmail. material and Dean knew about the black m. material because his wife had been. associated with that with that. brothel but the CIA guys McCord and. Hunt they had a completely different. agenda their agenda was to get. busted so that's what makes Watergate so. complex is you've got a conspiracy. within a conspiracy.

wow and then they got busted and mord. and and Hunt I mean they're very. intelligent guys and super Spooks I mean. they they really are I mean their. exploits are are legendary in the. CIA and they left the. breadcrumb Trail right to. themselves it was amazing I mean CH like. one of the burglars had a check from. Howard.

hunt just just really stuff that you. know and people say well it just shows. their incompetence no it's not their. incompetence they were they wanted to. get busted they were they wanted to. taint the next. Administration so they get busted and. the Cubans really don't know what's. going on because they thought they were. going in for the pictures well mcord and. Hunt their plan is to get busted and.

that's when water gates starts getting. interesting because Bob. Woodward Bob Woodward graduates from. Yale. and he and this is actually kind of. humorous okay here's the cover story on. Bob ward he graduates from. Yale he's accepted to Harvard Law School. but then he goes to the Washington Post.

and says I would really like to be a. journalist and I will work for you for. two weeks and if you don't like anything. I write you don't have to pay for those. two weeks and if you don't like anything. I write then I I won't you know you guys. I mean that's the cover story of Bob. Ward so Bob Ward ostensibly worked at. the Washington Post for or yeah. Washington Post for two weeks and then. he couldn't write I mean he I think he's. still he definitely has a lot of. co-authors I still think he has problems.

writing I mean just my own personal. opinion as a writer but so Woodward is. sent to the Montgomery Sentinel which is. owned by The Washington Post and that's. kind of his triaa team to learn how to. write and. report. and people know at the Montgomery senel. that he's a spook he drives a car. carmenia okay he's making $110 a week he. drives a carmania he's staying at a very.

nice uh apartment in Washington DC he. regularly goes to New York City I mean. there's just no way that Woodward can. live the kind of life that he's living. on $110 yeah. so he kind of learns how to write and. he's brought back to the Washington. Po and then within 8 months he and. Bernstein are breaking. Watergate now Bernstein is also a. pathological liar like Woodward and Ben.

Bradley the CH the editorinchief. of the Washington Post he is also CIA. and a path pathological line there was a. woman named Deborah Davis who wrote a. book called Katherine the Great about. Katherine she uh Katherine Graham owned. the Washington. Post and in the book Deborah Davis said. that Ben Bradley the editor-in chief of.

the Washington Post was a CIA asset and. that he'd written CI propaganda during. uh after the cold war or after the World. War II during the Cold War and Bradley. went ballistic on her and the book was. published by harcart brace and Bradley. threatened. them and hardcore brace pulped the. book and there were a couple of. magazines that went after her calling.

her unstable I. mean the intelligence people really. tried to dismantle her wow because. Bradley is a CIA guy and he's head of. the Washington. Post and the last thing Bradley wants is. is his connection to the CI to come. out but what's interesting so the book. gets pulped and in the interim Deborah. Davis files Freedom of Information Act.

stuff on Bradley and then it comes back. that Bradley is writing stuff for the. CIA so Bradley did all that to cover. himself from being connected to the. CIA he also wants to take Nixon down. Woodward wants to take Nixon down. Bernstein doesn't really care he's an. ethical unic he just wants money for. nothing and chicks for free I mean he. eventually blows a lot of his money on. coke and hookers and he he's quite the.

quite the. Sader but so you got Woodward and. Bernstein with Ben Bradley and they're. breaking all these stories on. Nixon and they're getting information. that nobody body else is getting and. ultimately um Erman and. halderman the Nixon's chief of staff and.

then hollam was like domestic Zar they. had to uh they they got tainted and they. had to resign and Alexander heg who had. worked at the uh National Security. Council became Nixon's chief of. staff and heg secretly hated Nixon for. pulling out of Vietnam and and for. forging a relationship with both the. Chinese and the Russians he hated he. hated that but they but he was good heg.

was a shape. shifter and he like he was originally on. the National Security ccil with Henry. Kissinger and he would play Kissinger. and Nixon off one another I mean. sociopath but really really good and he. ended up he when he was at the National. Council he was a fourstar he was a. colonel but then Nixon ultimately made. him a fourstar general even though heg.

hated him but he was that good at at. bamboozling Nixon and everybody around. him but here's the dirty little secret. about. Watergate and this is Woodward's big. lie he was briefing Woodward was a naval. intelligence officer he was briefing heg. in. 6970 he and heg had a. relationship and that's where the.

damaging information was coming. from was from. hag but Woodward say didn't meet heg. till 73 which which is which is all. [ __ ]. and Woodward said Mark felt as deep. wrote okay Mark phelp was the associate. director of the. FBI but he got fired and he got fired in.

May of. 73 and according to Woodward and and. Bernstein and All the President's. Men deep throat would drive by. Woodward's apartment every day and if. Woodward moved the flower pot that would. mean that he wanted to talk to deep. throat and they would and would were. take all these cabs and be clandestin. and would meet in a underground parking.

lot in Alexander Virginia I mean it was. all [ __ ] anyway um and then if. deepthro wanted to talk to Woodward it. was like page 20 of the New York Times. and he'd put a little clock there okay. so now here's where reality kind of in. Pines upon um the cover. story Mark phelp was fired in May of 73. and the most. damaging information from deep throat.

came in November of. 73 so we're supposed to believe that. Mark felt who had been fired from the. FBI is driving into Washington DC and by. the way Woodward's belcony is facing a. courtyard so he would he would have to. go down and. and then get out of his car and walk 50. ft and look straight up to see if. whether or not Woodward had moved his. flower pot for them so and.

then the the the page 20 of the New York. Times all the like the The Wall Street. Journal the New York Times they were all. put in a pile at Woodward's apartment. building they weren't taken to his his. specific room so. that all falls apart and Woodward rolled. out felt in 2005 and felt was very far. gone with. Alzheimer's and I don't doubt that felt.

gave Woodward some information but the. most damaging information came from. Alexander. H. and there was. so archal conx was the first Watergate. prosecutor and and. he was pushing Nixon very hard for taped. conversations it came out that Nixon was. taping all his conversations and that.

was. by that was by Alexander Butterfield who. was another CIA guy wow I mean he was a. liaison guy between the CIA and the the. Army and he lied to halderman to get the. job so he was another CIA guy and he was. the guy that coughed up the tapes and. then once the tapes it came out that the. tapes were that Nixon was making tapes. of all his conversations then the. prosecutors wanted certain.

tapes so they could find out what Nixon. knew or whether or not he was. obstructing justice and the. tapes Nixon wouldn't surrender the. tapes and he fired the special. prosecutor and then like there was a. drum beat for impeach and Nixon realized. whoa you. know what I just did was really Reckless. and then he he backpedal at Mach 3 speed. and he had heg hire a new special.

prosecutor so heg hired Leon. Jaworski this BigTime Houston lawyer to. be a uh to be the new Watergate. prosecutor Leon jorski also got CI. connections. he he works at a uh well he's a big-time. lawyer but he also works for a. foundation that's funling money to. various CI causes.

domestically so. heg and they're looking for the tapes. that will incriminate Nixon into the. cover up because shortly after Watergate. Nixon had halderman and Erman and. Richard Helms was the head of the CIA. and Veron Walters was that assistant. director of the CIA had those four get. together and Nixon wanted the FBI or the. CI to quash the FBI.

investigation and Nixon told and Nixon. had grilled Helms at a certain point. because Nixon knew that the CIA had. participated in the JFK hit and it's. it's on the tapes it's actually kind of. funny um there's Richard Helms and. Nixon's gring him who shot John who shot. John so Helms is very well aware that. Nixon knows who shot John so you've got.

this meeting between halderman and Erman. and Helms and Veron walers and hman says. you guys have got to play your national. security guard and quash this. investigation by the FBI into Watergate. and Helm says no we're not going to do. that and then and now Nixon said the. halderman if if Helm says no say it's. going to bring about the Bay of Pigs. thing cuz that was Nixon's kind of. nomenclature for the the Kennedy hit the.

Bay of bigs thing so as soon as. halderman said well this could lead into. the Bay of Pigs thing then Holmes just. went ballistic and Holmes is one of. those bureaucrats that never shows his. emotions but he just went ballistic and. um started screaming and hollering and. he goes okay we'll do it and then they. leave. and Helms double crosses an acent he. doesn't do. it and which. is because Helms just wants everybody.

wants well the Hawks and and and Helms. is firmly a haot one snakes and. gone so what happens is hey tells. Woodward about the. tapes uh specific tapes and then hay. tells jorski which tapes to. subpoena which which the tapes that show. like the conversation that halderman had. with uh with dick.

Helms so all this information is coming. from hag to both Woodward and also. Jaworski and jorski eventually subpoena. is the tapes that has Nixon talking. about covering up Watergate he did not. order Watergate and actually those guys. did not know who ordered Watergate they. didn't realize till much later that it. was Jeb McGruder and John. Dean and the next was I mean the.

plumbers were engaged in some crazy. stuff so it was easy for McGruder to. come in and Dean to come in and tell. them to burgle the. Watergate um so that's kind of. Watergate in a. nutshell is that there was a conspiracy. within a. conspiracy some of the burglar were. going for like blackmail material but.

the the CI guys definitely wanted Nixon. gone and It ultimately came together and. with the Washington Post with with. Bradley and. Woodward being of the same ilk as Helms. and The Joint Chiefs they they they all. wanted gone wow so that's how Watergate. went. down W the truth about Watergate a tale. of extraordinary lies and liars and the. thing about it is as far as mendacity.

goes we think of Nixon as preeminent. liar but there were far greater Liars in. Watergate than just Nixon I mean John. Dean was an amazing liar and so is Bob. wber and KL Bernstein and Ed Bradley I. me I mean those guys told unbelievable. lies and the the thing with deep throat. it's it's so absurd when Woodward rolled. out Mark uh felt with Alzheimer's he.

went a bridge too far I mean at that. point um I when I realized that there's. no way that Mark phel could be deepthoat. because he'd been fired and there's no. way he could have been providing that. information that's kind of that was the. first thing I um kind of locked on to in. Watergate man that is um you know I'm. not very familiar with with Watergate. but that was uh extremely.

informative well that's what we tried to. do writers is I can't wait to dive into. that book it's an interesting book. Because as I said I try to make. Watergate as accessible as possible. there are these huge Toms about. Watergate and they're great books great. investigative Journal M but they're so. complex so my goal was to make it as. simple as possible but every just about. every sentence has a citation as I said.

earlier there's 2,238 citations so and. and most of the stuff that comes. from mainstream media books where I was. able to triangulate lies and. then thousands of pages of government. documentation because the truth is there. it just you just have to kind of of sip. through it and I read books about. Watergate for a number of years before I. decided to write that book. well sounds like he got to the bottom of.

that too so I'm happy with how it's been. received no major publisher would touch. it um of course. not unfortunately Bob Woodward and Carl. Bern they are the Mount Rushmore of. Journalism. and they tell so many lies I mean they. lie when they don't even need to lie. that's what's kind of amazing about them. um Bernstein said that he ducked a.

subpoena that he was going to get. subpoena and he ducked The subpoena and. he went and saw the movie. [ __ ] at that. point when he ducked that subpoena the. movie Deep Throat wasn't even showing in. Washington. DC um I mean. the the lies I mean berstein talks about. going out to uh I think it's Marland. Virginia to to meet with the one of the.

treasurers of the committee to reelect. the president and he talks about going. through this hellacious rain this. salacious storm as he's driving out. there there was no storm that day I. mean you it's I mean and if you read the. President's Men which one a p of. surprise became a bestseller and there. was a movie with Robert Redford and DUS. hmet it's. Fiction it's been embraced as.

reality and you've got all these kids. going to journalism School wanting to be. Woodward and Bernstein when really there. is no Woodward and. Bernstein wow wow and it was a it was a. silent. coup the coup of. 63 was very. problematic most Americans did not. believe the Waring commission.

report 66% of. Americans believe that oswal didn't act. alone but it was even higher there. because the warning commission is as. Bobby Kennedy. said the Bobby kenned that got. assassinated a pretty shoddy piece of. work. so I think assassinated Nixon was off. the. table this is how they they felt like.

they had to get them out man but what's. really interesting in 1967 because a lot. there was a huge backlash against uh the. warning commission report I mean and. there's it's the warning commission. report is very. problematic and a lot of people weren't. buying it so the CIA came out with a. dispatch in. 1967 and it said that the people who. cons who don't believe in the Waring. commission we're going to call them.

conspiracy. theorists and then it gave a number of. rationals why conspiracy theorists are. conspiracy theorists um. and and then it was disseminated to. editors and people with Jews the New. York Times And The Washington Post used. the word conspiracy theorist about once. year prior to that 1967 dispatch but. after that. 19767 dispatch the trim conspiracy. theory and conspiracy theorist just shot.

up. exponentially in uh in both papers. so people just. automatically think of something and. they all conspiracy theory yeah they're. drinking the cool-aid yeah still see it. today yeah they don't they have no idea. that they're they're drinking the. Koolaid yeah it kind of amazes. me it's. uh very interesting to see how easily. people get sucked.

in and I think eventually watergate's. going to be broken open there's too many. good books about it I mean my book is is. a good overview of what actually. happened and then there's some really. good books about it I mean really. amazing investigative journalism has. been done with Watergate so I think that. John Dean and Bob Woodward and Carl. Bernstein are really it's only a matter. of time till they're out at as Liars the.

history is not going to look very. favorably on them and the thing about. Nixon and I'm not a Nixon apologist he. did some bad things I mean he fomented. the coup the pin coup in in uh Chile. which pinet was a bad guy he facilitated. suaro in Indonesia and then we basically. gave tacd approval of ppot because ppot. was aligned with the Chinese and we. wanted to establish diplomatic relations. with chines so Nix did some really bad.

things but he also did some really good. things too in addition to trying to. become a peacemaker with the Soviet. Union limit arm nuclear arms he tried to. get Universal healthc care. ped and he tried to get uh for families. with children a minimum amount of money. that they would get which was like 4500. from the. government if like if they were getting. like 25,000 it'd be or if they were if.

they were getting like 3,000 they' be. supplemented which would be $40,000 now. so Nix did some he started the EPA he. started. OSHA. he uh went up. 131% on welfare spending he increased. education spending by 50% now he's just. looked at this monolith of evil but he. did do some good things I mean but he. Tangled.

with the wrong people he thought he he. thought he was a smart guy he thought he. could beat them that he get out with. them man fascinating stuff yeah well. Nick I just want to say thank you for. for coming on and and uh the link to. your new book The Truth About Watergate. will be in the description below and um. and uh just want to say thank you and I. want to remind people the.

first uh Epstein Justice for is in. Dunlap Iowa on July 17th and we're going. to have a fundraiser in Knoxville on. September 27th. so we're going to get this Epstein. Justice machine going good. good makes me happy to hear. we're I'm doing this with some pretty. stalard people. so we're going to give it our best shot.

good and we're going to succeed I'll. predict that right. now as Joe Amoth predicted before the. 1969 uh Super Bowl we're going to win. and everybody thought he was crazy well. I'm predicting Epstein justice will. prevail well. I hope it does I really do and I wish. you the best of luck thank. [Music].

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