Michael Shellenberger - The Demise of California | SRS #87

the state of California has been a very. popular. discussion amongst Americans for several. years now there is a mass. Exodus of people fleeing that state. literally hundreds and hundreds of. thousands of people who are considering. themselves political. refugees are fleeing the state my next.

guest actually ran for governor against. the famous Gavin Nome and lost. surprisingly but um we brought him in we. brought him in because we want to dive. into just exactly what the heck is going. on in that state and so ladies and. gentlemen if you get anything out of. these podcasts please head over to Apple. podcast head over to Spotify leave us a. review subscribe to the YouTube channel. comment give us a like and ladies and.

gentlemen without further Ado please. welcome my next guest Mr Michael. [Music]. shellenberger Michael shellenberger. welcome to the show thanks so much for. having me Sean it's really happy to be. here it's uh I've been trying to get a. hold of you for a long time and uh and. we finally connected over the the UFO. whistleblower stuff you used a couple of. my things for a piece that you wrote and. uh I want to thank you.

for for doing that that really helped me. out and um and I'm just happy that you. made it to Tennessee and that you're. sitting here and and uh we're going to. have a great conversation well thanks so. much for having me I really appreciate. what you've done for veterans it's very. moving it's apparent your concern and. your passion for that community and I. really appreciate that thank you I've. come to um see the importance of that. Community more than ever including on. the UAP stuff since so many people. are uh coming from from that community.

and taking risks to step forward so yeah. appreciate you for that I thank you so. we're here to talk all about California. so we're in. Tennessee there are a ton of. Californians moving here in fact one of. my friends um Rob Luna just moved here. from California he's a a a wealth. strategist and uh his neighborhood that. he moved into is 60% California wow and.

uh the state I believe Tennessee has. grown 20% year after year uh of Co and. it's you know it's really I mean the. growth I guess a lot of people love the. growth but I think it's kind of. destroying the state um it's just. Tennessee is a beautiful state and it's. turning into concrete and um and it's it. is it's creating a lot of issues where. people can't afford to live here anymore. anym especially the ones that that were.

born and raised here and um so anyways. with that being said I would love to. unpack what is going on in California. all in one segment I've never heard it. all just condensed into one segment and. and figure out why there are just droves. of people leaving and and hopefully we. can get to some how do we fix this stuff. it sounds great so uh just quick intro. on you former public relations.

professional professional topics of. politics environment climate change. nuclear power founder of the. Breakthrough Institute and Environmental. Research Center Time Magazine award for. hero of the environment in 2008 author. of Apocalypse never in San Francisco San. Francisco green book award winner in. 2008 you unpacked the Twitter files with. Elon Musk your political affiliation was.

Democrat previous to 2022 and you. switched to Independent in 2022 you're. based out of Berkeley. California am I missing. anything a little bit but but you ran. for governor you ran for governor which. is actually why I originally wanted to. speak with you um and uh you ran against. Gavin Nome and I'd love to to talk about. how that was too in fact maybe we could. start right there you know why did. you.

why did you is that the first time. you've ever ran in politics I ran in. 2018 and the candidacy didn't go. anywhere but Governor always felt like a. job I should have it sounds crazy but I. remember thinking about for the first. time I was like I I could do that job. and I think I have a vision for the. state I love California I mean I moved. to California right after college in. 1993 and I'm just really passionate. about it I love the people I love the. geography for me it's sort of the best.

of America it's also the worst of. America it's a state that you know when. you get there and people ask about you. it's not like you know trying to always. put you on some status hierarchy you. know if you go on the East Coast people. will say where'd you go to school and. that's their way of figuring out if. you're important or not California. people have always been more interested. in like who are you man you know like. what do you do sound like I sound like. the big lowski you know there's a of you.

know Do Your Own Thing Man you know it's. the home of the human potential movement. of what used to be called sort of peak. psychology positive psychology what are. you doing to make the most of your life. your life is limited you know what are. you going to do to really seize the sees. the best of yourself to realize the best. of yourself that. was the California I was drawn to I was. definitely on the radical left as a. young man I spent a bunch of time. traveling around the world working with. radical movements.

and have started to see some of the dark. side of that in California and in. particular the way it shows up most. dramatically is what we call. homelessness folks on the streets you. know I have three friends from high. school growing up that became homeless. addicts you know two are dead uh my aunt. sry to hear that yeah uh my aunt had. schizophrenia so mental illness is. something and I was familiar with I. understood I understood addiction and. when you talk to people on the street. it's obviously not just cuz they.

couldn't make the rent these are folks. suffering uh overwhelmingly from. untreated mental illness Andor. addiction and to just see the the. devastation you know we had a woman Sean. had mental serious mental illness maybe. schizophrenia her legs she was on the. streets her legs were rotting you know. her B they took her off the street they. amputated the bottom parts of her legs. and then can you guess what they did. after that put her back back on the. street put her back on the.

street that's not civilized Behavior you. know I I've traveled around the world. I've looked at how other countries deal. with you know what we call homelessness. addiction mental illness and everybody. does the same thing which is that you. get medical care for people that need it. and when people are so out of their. brains that they that they say oh no I'm. fine with my legs rotting on the street. or being assaulted on the streets um. overdosing and dying on the streets.

civilized people say that's not okay. you're not well part of your illness is. that you think you're okay you're. obviously not and we get them care and. you get them Rehabilitation for drugs. psychiatric care if you're mentally. ill we don't do that and I wanted to. understand why that was that's why I. wrote San Francisco is as I I couldn't. understand we say we're so compassionate. we think we're more compassionate than. other people in other states but this is. cruelty you know you know we one time I.

we came I was in early morning a dawn. cleanup with a cleanup crew in San. Francisco to cleanup after the open air. drug scenes and the partying and all the. stuff that goes on at night in the. morning we discovered there was three. men lying in the street they had created. police barricades around themselves they. had you know feces needles old food. clothing all around them they were lying. on the heat. fence and the Outreach worker I was with. said come on you guys got to get up. let's go you got to get up and one of.

the men said I can't because my back is. broken I me he's a broken back and he's. lying in the middle of the street uh. someone from the city drove by and they. said what's going on we said this. gentleman has a broken back and they're. like oh we'll do something well one week. later he was still there in the. street I mean if you like if I would I. wouldn't if I was listening to somebody. describing what I'm describing I. wouldn't believe it you know or you. shouldn't believe it but now people know.

I needed to document all of it we've now. shot a lot of videos showing this but. it's absolutely horrific and I just. couldn't figure out what was going on. like why were we not providing people. with the care they need you have footage. of all this we have a lot of video. footage you know when the book came out. I was criticized the New York Times of. course they didn't like my book MH and. they they claimed I had not interviewed. any homeless people which was hilarious. are you serious they resorted to lies.

about the book and so I I couldn't. figure out I didn't want to have an. argument about how many people I. interviewed so I just said look I'm just. going to go and just go back to the. streets inter interview people on video. and interviewed a lot of people a lot of. the videos went viral you know I had uh. you know people were very honest I mean. they actually and a lot of people are. lonely on the street and they want to. share their stories but I started. interviewing people and they were coming. to me tell these are people living on. the streets because of their addiction. and they were telling me they were like. the situation is out of control somebody.

needs to do something they said people. they they pay you to be homeless in San. Francisco and that's something I. documented already they give cash $600. $650 a month in cash to people if. they're homeless including if they're. coming from out of state and then they. can usually get a couple hundred bucks. in food stamps so they then trade you. know some discount on the dollar in. Chinatown and they can maintain their. drug habit there's actually not as much. panhandling anymore because it's so easy. to get to get cash to buy your drugs 20.

to 40 bucks a day and you can. usually get enough meth and Fentanyl to. smoke all. day so the yeah I mean this has all been. well documented it's sparked a huge. backlash I you know some of the I work. with mothers who have kids on the street. that they want to see the police arrest. and required to get rehab because. they're so trapped in their addiction. like the you know or their mental. illness like the woman with the with the. legs or the guy with the broken back.

they're trapped by their own. psychiatric disorders which we. understand very well we've been studying. addiction for over 150 years we know. that people in addiction they require an. intervention treatment and then recovery. which is a lifelong process this is uh. this is not uh this is not rocket. science this is not super complicated we. know how to deal with these problems and. so the question for me was why don't we. like why is it that we're not doing the. prop why are we not willing to intervene.

and take care of the folks who obviously. need it so is that why you decided to. run for governor was kind of a. humanitarian role to to Aid in. homelessness yeah the I you know after I. finished writing the book in in early. 2021 a number of the mothers who are. trying to get their kids off the streets. um I worked with them to create a. movement called California Peace. Coalition you know peace in the streets. comes from peace in the in the body and. the mind. and and then some of the mothers started.

something called Mothers Against drug. addictions and deaths beautiful group of. people very brave these are these are. mothers who are suffering every day. worrying about their kids dying on the. streets they can't get their kids off. the street because the laws are against. them they said you know they asked me at. an event in San Francisco would you. consider running and I had thought that. there would be somebody else like a. professional politician who was going to. do it but nobody wanted to step forward. so uh I was happy to do it it was a.

position like IID said I was always like. I think I know how to do that job and uh. we didn't make it past the primary. unfortunately but um I think we elevated. the issue a bit the governor's starting. to do some stuff but basically the. situation is as bad as it's always been. if not worse man it seems to be getting. worse I mean there's a long list of. things that I want to talk to you about. that are going on in California but just. I believe it's this. year already.

343,000 people have already left the. state how many people do you have a. gauge on how many people have been. leaving year after year and when did. this start I don't have the exact. numbers on me but the population has. declined it's uh we actually lost a. congressional seat because our. population declined and other states. grew faster this is a huge change I mean. California was you know it's it's still. at 39 million it's just hovering at 30 9. million everybody thought we were going.

to 50 million you know even just 10 20. years ago there was a lot of optimism I. mean California was was the state of. optimism I mean it was sort of the most. American of the American states it was. the. frontier and it's just so it's just. gotten so bad I mean we spend you know. uh you know a lot of us spent 10% of our. income on state taxes on top of the. federal taxes and I'm happy to pay my. taxes if it's going to to helping people.

but it's actually enabling Addiction in. this kind of victimhood ideology this. idea that if you're suffering from. addiction or if you're a racial minority. or if you have a disability or mental. illness that you're a victim this is the. message and you will always be a victim. and for victims only things should be. given nothing required well that's a. that's a disaster for people that need. to recover from their addiction they. need to be told they have the potential.

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it seems I. mean I haven't been to California in. quite some time I I in 2001 I was there. uh for the military going through Buds. and then I I hadn't gone back. until last year and I flew in I I kind. mentioned you know did a psychedelic. experience in in Mexico I flew on San. Diego but. seeing how much homelessness is is just. right outside of downtown I I I couldn't.

I've never seen anything like that and. I've been to. some some some some some poor parts of. the world I mean I've been to Yemen you. know Yemen is the poorest country in the. Middle East been Afghanistan I mean I've. never seen tents anywhere just lined up. of what appeared to me to be just people. doing drugs in their tents and and. and I mean how many what what what. percentage of the state is.

homeless it's a great question it's uh. around 100,000 100,000 homeless around. 100,000 and and it's not a consequence. of poverty it's a consequence of. addiction you know and untreated mental. illness to some extent but the basic. picture is you get addicted to hard. drugs you stop working you overstay your. welcome with friends and family you lie. steal and cheat the family's then. confronted with what do I do do I I do I. continue to enable the addiction or do I.

evict them they you evict them and then. they go live on the. streets these are open a drug scene. that's the right word for it homeless. encampment is a. euphemism you know these are very very. sick people I mean you're you. methamphetamine even methamphetamine I. meth is worse than speed is worse than. cocaine fentanyl is worse than. heroin worse than alcohol and then. there's and they're combining them and. they're very cheap they're synthetic.

they're made in. Labs um they're very addictive you know. fenal is a wonderful thing if you're. going to have back surgery or if you're. going to give birth to a child and you. need that immediate relief short-term. relief but boy for for addicts it's. absolutely the worst and so you get a. lot of death a lot of. Overdose it's um you know it's it's uh. it's fundamentally a a Mis a medical. mistreatment that leaves people on the. streets it's not a fundamentally I mean.

we we need more housing we you know the. rents are definitely too high but it's. not like people can't afford the rent. and they go live on the street it's they. get addicted and their lives fall apart. and then they go on the street when did. you see this really start to take. off I first visited California when I. was 15 so that must have been. 1986 around there and I we saw mentally. ill people on the streets you know the. the first wave of home in the 80s was a. combination of releasing people out of.

uh Mental Hospitals without proper care. in the community combined with the crack. epidemic and it was all usually crack. and alcohol the combination of those two. drugs and that was the first homeless. epidemic and I would see people on the. street in San Francisco and my parents. were psychologists so they were able to. explain these are folks with mental. illness then you you know the question. like why are they all on the streets why. are they not getting care in hospitals. or or in group homes was the idea. but we didn't have the laws in place to.

require people to stay in their homes. and so they would go out um onto the. streets and it's California is a more. extreme version of other parts of the. country and I should say it's not the. only thing going on I mean the more. temperate weather means you can sleep. Outdoors all year round so in Boston and. New York and colder places people come. inside but we don't see this in places. like Florida or or warmer States and so. it's not it can't just be the weather. some of it is the. I mentioned the big Labowski you know. the big Labowski culture MH you know.

it's kind of take it easy man you might. remember you know it's like hey you like. to drink a white Russians and Ros they. like to smoke meth and Fentanyl it's a. kind of. relativism it's um I mean some of the. it's it's stuff I love about California. taken to an extreme you know it's a it's. a very libertarian culture like you. should do your own thing like it's but. when that leads to addiction or. untreated mental illness then you sort.

of get these really destructive and. self-destructive behaviors right there. in your backyard but I think the most. important thing the thing that's really. driving it in terms of what the. politicians think and the and the. activist nonprofit groups and the people. providing the services is victimhood. ideology and victimhood. ideology is this idea that you can. divide the whole world into victims and. oppressors that if you're a victim. you're always a victim nothing you can. really do about it all you can do is. kind of amarate you can get a little bit.

of help but you can't become a hero I. talk about the process of of recovery. for for recovering addicts or alcoholics. or the typical recovery it's a heroic. process because you are suffering you. are in a bad way and you overcome it not. by yourself you have a sponsor you go to. a you know you go to AA or 12 step or. whatever you go through rehab But. ultimately the idea is everybody has the. potential to become free and to become.

in control of their lives and this is um. a very empowering it was a very liberal. idea in as recently as the 1960s with. the human potential movement it was the. best of the of the. liberal positive psychology movement. it's 12st step it's human. potential that's been taken over by a. much more radical very radical left wing. very extreme and very you know think of.

a you know misery with Kathy Bates in it. you know that kind of energy of a kind. of I want to I want to care for you in. that really creepy dark way where I want. to care for you so much I'm going to. hurt you so it's almost monk Housen. syndrome by proxy you know which is when. parents will poison their children so. they can take care of them I'm not. saying that this is quite what it is the. best way I could say it is sort of. pathological altruism. might come from a start from coming from.

a good place I want to I want to help. other people but it becomes pathological. because you're not if you really want to. help someone then you need to help them. to become independent and free if if. you're just trying to keep them. dependent on You by enabling their. addiction rather than helping them to. get into recovery then you're. maintaining their victimhood status and. that is basically the underlying problem. behind the homelessness problem in. California do do you do you think that. there is I mean it sounds like you get.

rewarded for being an addict in. California I mean we talked about the. allowances yes and and and I. mean free house you got to I'll give you. a sense of it in Birmingham Alabama they. did these experiments in the 1980s uh. all all homeless addicts mostly crack. addicts would get a stay in shelter at. night in a call congregate shelter. they'd all be in the same area and and. once you're there everybody wants their. own room that's one of the first things.

people want they want some privacy. understandably they made it if you pass. a drug test then you can have your own. room MH H you go up to your own room and. you like it you're better you have a. reward for good behavior what happens if. you fail your drug test cuz people. relapse it's h it happens it's often. part of recovery you don't go back on. the street but you do go back to the. congregate shelter this is called. contingency management so that your. rewards are contingent so it's carrots.

and sticks you know I'm I'm a big. admirer of how they handle this in. Amsterdam Amsterdam had Amsterdam is. this incredibly liberal city right. prostitution is legal marijuana you can. buy it at the coffee shop but they had. these big open drug scene of heroin. addicts and it was a typical thing the. very liberal you know supposedly more. caring people wanted to just enable and. help and they didn't want to require. anybody to clean up their act finally. they said it's got to be carrots and. sticks you got to have rewards for doing.

the right thing and. consequences for doing the wrong thing. because if you don't have consequences. for bad behavior then you're going to do. more bad behavior so it's I mean you're. you're a dad and I'm a dad and anybody. that has kids know that if you don't. have any consequences for bad. behaviors you don't have to spank your. kids you don't have to you know it. doesn't have to be uh always super harsh. but there has to be some consequence for. engaging self-destructive or destructive. actions and then some reward when you're.

doing things on your path to recovery. and that's how you sort of get people up. towards recovery and it may you have. some one step forward one step back and. two steps forward but it's pretty simple. but we just took away all the sticks in. California it's all just carrots and if. it's just carrots then they're actually. not carrots people start to feel. entitled I'm an addict I'm on the street. I'm homeless give me an apartment well. no you should have your apartment if you. an apartment do do you think that there.

is some type of an an agenda behind the. behind in I mean they're incentivizing. people to to use yes do is there an. agenda behind that or is this is like. anterior agenda yeah is there is it does. it go deeper than that I mean because. because to me that's common sense yeah. that is common sense if there are no in. in and we're seeing in multiple aspects. of California that where there's no.

consequences and how things are spinning. out of control at some point I mean it. doesn't to me it doesn't take a genius. to figure out hey why is this happening. well there's no. consequences so no I mean I I I. understand what you're asking because it. seems so stupid really to have no. consequences on behaviors but you know. after looking at it for several years. you get to the bottom of it and you're. like it's just as dumb as it seems. people are just very dogmatic about it.

it's almost like a black and white kind. of thinking you know um that person is a. victim how dare you suggest that we. require that they sleep indoors at night. or don't use drugs publicly or take. their meds if they're sick or obey the. law so it's a very radical and there's a. sort of competition on the left in. California so there's a sort of oh I'm. more compassionate because I'm letting.

the so-called victims do even more crazy. things than you want to do so it's. really that dumb I don't think there's. anybody that that wants to see these. things happen it's just a you know I. mean California became there used to be. a balance between Republicans and. Democrats and now when it's all. Democrats it's just a competition over. who's going to be the most compassionate. and that ends up creating this. cruelty I mean. I just I do not I don't understand it I.

don't I. mean I have friends who have businesses. there in in in very prominent locations. in California La um. Malibu San Francisco I mean the real. estate there is some of the most. expensive real estate in the world and. some of these guys have businesses in. these locations on on on in well to-do. areas of the and you got people.

defecating right in front of their. business yeah you know peeing pooping in. the street camping out right I mean how. what are the people of Cal what is the. majority of the people in California. think about this situation oh we're I. mean we're fed up I mean and people are. leaving you know I mean it's also. important to remember that the there's a. lot of us that live there's a lot it's. very hilly and there's a lot of hills. and in San Francisco Bay area and also. in La so you can get away from it you.

know you own a home up in the hills and. it's very it's very beautiful like I own. a home in the Berkeley Hills and I can. see the Golden Gate Bridge and and. there's not people you know outside my. home doing that so we can get away from. it and when you talk to people and I'll. be like they you know friends like they. ask what are you working on I tell them. about this and they go oh yeah that's. why I don't go. downtown so there's some people downtown. that are affected by it you know. everyone's got a black lives matter sign. in front of their yard up in the.

Berkeley Hills you know they think. they're being compassionate by defunding. the police you know or by removing. criminal prosecution for theft under. $1,000 under. $950 they think they are but in fact. they're defunding the police in. neighborhoods that are high crime and. that need more police you know I. discovered in the the research my you. know liberals love to look up to Europe. as a model of progressivism well they. have 20 to 30% more police officers per.

capita than we have in the United States. they they believe in the police in. Europe and they don't allow people to. use heroin or smoke Fen or defecate in. public in Amsterdam you don't see that I. mean it it's so it's so bad there I mean. I just read I think it was a couple. weeks ago maybe a month ago I just a. little kid when just playing on the. playground slides down the slide hits a. fentanyl needle dead done you know and. and I mean it's just how can you when.

you hear stories like that that can't be. the only time that's happened oh there's. a baby that uh that ODed on fenel was. revived in one of the richest. neighborhoods in San Francisco the. journalism is so awful that nobody. figured out what was going on I went. there and I discovered that there was an. open drug scene in the uh ballpark uh uh. you know in the near the baseball. diamonds you know so it's everywhere the. drugs are everywhere the feny is super.

potent and. toxin people are trapped by their. mentality by their ideology they they. are so sure that they're the caring and. compassionate ones that they will not. listen to a different point of view even. though when you ask people the majority. of people 75% of the voters say when you. ask them should if you if you're defeca. use drugs or Camp illegally or publicly.

should you be arrested and mandated drug. rehab as an alternative to jail and 75%. of Californians say yes the disconnect. is in the politics there's interest. groups that are making money that have a. idiology that are very radical and they. end up controlling the politicians like. Governor Gavin Nome you know who can't. or doesn't care about doing anything to. address the problem because he's too. scared of standing up to these radical. leftwing interest groups what okay so.

how who are the radical interest groups. and how do you make money off. homelessness well I should say they. definitely make money off homelessness. there is a homeless industrial complex. but I I should also say that you know in. Netherlands somebody gets paid to take. care of addicts too so it's not. like we shouldn't be against you know. have spending the money you need to get. people the care they need I mean if born. schizophrenia is something that you you. know it's probably some combination of.

genetics and the environment shows up. around when people go to college. obviously people with schizophrenia are. going to have a really tough time and. they're going to need some help but. that's that's not the point the point is. that we're spending all this money to. make the problem worse yeah I. mean1 17.5 billion in the last four. years on the homelessness crisis in. California California has 30% of the. nation's total homeless population. I. mean but what I how are they making how.

is the homeless industrial complex I. mean how do they making money off of. homelessness I mean the biggest source. of money is providing housing and the. problem with it is I mentioned before. that study in Birmingham in the 80s. that's all we that's that's the best we. can do is that you should have to. require people to sleep inside it's not. safe to sleep outside you have to come. inside you have to enforce the anti-. camping laws come inside because we can.

only you can only be protected inside. you know like a 100% of the women that. we interview on the streets have been. raped I mean it's it's all of them. they're doing it's hor it's absolutely. horrible and they're so out of their. minds with. addiction desperate you know turning. tricks for 20 $40 and then being raped. um. frequently they have to come inside it's. not to say that nothing bad ever happens. in the shelters you know know you got to. run the shelters right they got to be. safe and clean and basic but you're a.

lot less likely to be murdered or. assaulted in a shelter or hit by a car. run over by cars that happens to people. if you're in in a shelter then you're in. the shelter and then you should have a. case worker that comes up to you and. says goes we're going to create a plan. for you to get back on track you know we. get you psych evaluation be in group. therapy get some future for yourself get. a vision of yourself uh in recovery and. you a personal plan not everybody's.

going to make it it's going to be hard. to recover from methamphetamine and. Fentanyl use if you've been doing this. for a long time but some people can you. will this is what they've done in every. civilized country in the world it's. basically there's cultural variations. between Portugal and the Netherlands and. Japan and Korea but there's a right and. a wrong way to deal with addiction and. mental illness and there's and we're. doing it the absolute wrong way we. enabling addiction and self-destructive.

behaviors rather than. supporting you know. pro-social pro-human. methods of recovery what would you if. you had won the raver race what would. have been the first thing you would have. done to combat the homelessness. issue I would use the executive powers. that the governor of California has. which are very significant Powers the. governor is a very powerful person in.

California there's certain things you. obviously want to try to get the. legislature on board in the line and do. them all but I believe that had I been. elected I would have had the Mandate of. the people to take immediate action to. save lives so I mean we're you know. we're you know somewhere around 30 to 60. drug overdose deaths a month in San. Francisco alone every single one of. those deaths is preventable there's no. reason anybody should be dying of drug. overd is on the streets mhm so the first. thing is you make everybody come inside.

so you would you would take the time you. need to create shelters basic clean. congregate shelters safe. shelters people have to come inside you. can't sleep outside it's not safe. outside maybe you give people a warning. for a night or two but then they got to. come inside once they're. inside then you can offer them treatment. you know we know how to detox people off. of these very hard drugs at least with. we have a good substitute in the form of. Suboxone and sublate is a 30-day version.

of that meth is harder but we can use. contingency management to provide people. with rewards you get your own might get. your own room so you get people off the. street that way the other way is that we. enforce law we started enforcing the law. so uh we all believe in personal Liberty. so I personally don't think that just. because you're an addict means you. should be arrested not if you're not. breaking other laws but if you are. breaking the law. sleeping outside illegally defecating. illegally using drugs or dealing drugs.

publicly you should be arrested and. given the. choice we need a new Agency on Clinic. Kelsy that says you know John you've. you've overdosed for the 12th time on. the streets you know uh you're camping. here illegally You've Got A drugs and. clearly. stolen you know uh you know bicycles us. mhm um I'm either going to arrest you.

know my you know officer Garcia here is. going to arrest you and you can kick in. jail and it'll be horrible and you're. but you're welcome to do that because we. have the ability to arrest you for the. crimes that we're we suspect you have. committed. or we can get you in rehab we get you on. a suboxone taper starting right now and. you will transition off of the fentel. and we'll get you into a rehab clinic. and go right now on the way to the.

clinic and it'll be a 90 days but it'll. extend to 6 months or a year if that's. what you need you to get you know you be. in a in a rehab facility you'll meet. with psycholog you know psychology. professional you be in group therapy and. we're going to get your life back on. track reintegrate you to family and. friends get your life back on track. those are your choices but it's not a. choice to remain on the street anymore. we've revived you 12 times M from your. overdose is. taxpayers don't want to do that anymore. taxpayers want to save your life but.

we've been saved we've saved your life. 12 times it's time to go in and and the. neighbors here don't want you sleeping. in front of their house and screaming. and and and defecating and using drugs. in front of their apartment anymore and. these are powers that I believe the. governor currently has there's some laws. that are going to have to be. changed you know let the members of the. legislature that want to defend chaos. and violence and destruction let them. defend it as Governor I'm going to put. it to the people and say what do you.

this is the let's handle this in the. same humane way that the Netherlands and. Portugal and Japan and every other. civilized country in the world has it. and let's stop being idiots and cruel in. our supposed. compassion that seems like a a great. start let's let's move into some of the. stuff that happened after Co in. California so you know it it it was the.

strictest how do I say this the. strictest response uh that I've that. I've heard about throughout the country. and I mean in and and we saw a lot of. hypocrisy from the politicians over. there I remember you know the there was. a big story about a woman whose hair. salon got shut down and and because she. wasn't going to comply with the mask. mandate or the vaccine mandate or I I. can't remember exactly what it was and. then what it was this the same week.

Nancy Pelosi is out who's mandating all. of this right is out getting her hair. done with no mask on we got Gavin Nome. who's pushing this stuff throughout the. entire State locking you just shutting. all the businesses down except from what. I understand his own wineries right or. his own his own wineries in in in the. Napa area but shut all his competitors. down I mean how how is it do. Californians not know this how did he. get reelected I mean he got.

recalled and what what's the mentality. do are people uninformed or that they. just not care. well they I think we we all we all care. about it you know the they the. politicians know that there's nowhere. quite like California and that those of. us that have stuck at stuck around in. California it's because we're you know. we're like in a bad relationship you. know it's. we know it's not good for us but we're. so in love with the state and we don't.

want to move and we might have golden. handcuffs cuz like where else where else. can we get a house like our house in. California and so we get mistreated we. get over. taxed. we our our tax money is just it's. corrupt I mean I don't know there's no. other word for it it's wasted it's. making the problem worse I mean I. actually have a moral I have a moral. dilemma about this I know that our taxes. are paying to enable addiction and Death.

on the. streets I don't want my I mean I feel. guilty about it but then it's then what. do I do I just leave the state I don't. know if that helps things either um I. want to I want to save the. state so yeah I think it's a mix you. know people there's a lot there's some. percentage of people the hardcore left. you know maybe 20 to 30% of the voters. who are just really dogmatic and they. don't want to hear a different point of. view I think there's uh you know 30 to. 40% that really want change and vote for.

change every time and then the rest are. up for grabs and they uh you know I. think people put their property values. first sadly over what kind of happens. downtown you know the schools are awful. I mean we kept the schools closed during. covid and the and the consequences were. catastrophic for young people I mean. we're now they're now very. behind continuing crime. absences it was an abuse of power during.

covid it was it wasn't in the interest. of the kids it was an Abus of Power by. the teachers unions to keep the schools. closed and the teachers unions are such. heavy campaign contributors to Governor. Gavin Nome they just wanted to stay home. I mean it's it's it's pretty cynical. actually you know they needed to get. back into the classroom the kids need. that social life. the risks to the kids the risks to the. to most teachers was very low whereas.

those kids weren't learning on Zoom my. daughter was at home you know they're. not they can't learn on Zoom you know. you got to be in the classroom plus so. much of school is learning how to be. social it's learn how to get around and. to interact with people and you need to. see people's faces you need this there's. some there's no substitute for this so. they it was a you know it's pretty. selfish people to be perfectly honest. putting themselves. ahead of a vulnerable people and so you.

people should be suspicious when you. hear the politicians talking about how. much they care about the vulnerable. they're protecting the vulnerable is. that really what's going on you know are. they taking advantage of the vulnerable. I see the Border crisis when I see the. Border crisis I see a very similar. dynamic as we see with the homeless. situation where it's really desperate. vulnerable people who have been put in. been allowed to be in that situation. ation because of supposedly. compassionate politics compassionate.

policies that underneath them have a. real selfishness there's a political. agenda behind the open borders there's a. political agenda behind the open air. drug scenes and the chaos on the streets. there's money involved there's power. involved and all of the language is used. to justify what I think is at bottom a. kind of. Cruelty what is the. I mean so I I can understand I mean the. whole everybody's divided right now.

you're either on this side or on that. side it seems it seems to me that. California's the the even the Democratic. side is starting to divide and I mean. you're a perfect example of it I mean. last year you're a Democrat this year. you're an independent and so what I'm. asking is is is there not a better. option than Gavin Newsome I mean what. what do people say when they're like I. mean how you cannot be more imp parent.

you know all these other wineries are. shut down except the governor's his is. not shut down how I. mean has he answered that at all answer. has anybody questioned him on that is no. I mean there's people are it's people. kind of throw their hands you know they. don't feel very I mean California is so. big it's it's the Govern is very far. away from the people you know he's not a. he's not a man of the people I I don't.

think he cares very deeply about. ordinary folks he does a lot of photo. ops like one point you know when it was. getting really the the chaos in San. Francisco you know he showed up with a. broom kind of pushing a broom in San. Francisco like are we supposed to. believe that the governor pushing a. broom is what the state Needs Nobody. thinks that you know he recently flew to. Israel after the Hamas attacks and got. he flew to Israel why why mhm I mean.

that's just narcissism it's just it's. just a uh I mean you know we got people. dying on the street and he has the power. to get people inside and get them the. medical care they need and inste he just. kind of um prances around you know like. uh injecting himself in places where. he's completely irrelevant it's. inappropriate it's. um you know like in Psychology we talk. about having appropriate. boundaries and and California is just.

it's just a place that's been. transgressing Val boundaries it's not. appropriate to sleep on the sidewalk it. should never be allowed it's not. appropriate to sleep in the park it. should never be allowed it's not. appropriate to steal $950 worth of items. from the from the drugstore from Walmart. or from Walgreens you know we're losing. all of our Flagship department stores in. San Francisco Nordstrom moved out Old. Navy moved out you know Gap moved out I.

mean San Francisco is like a rich city. you know this is one of the it's a c. it's a world famous people come from. around the world they come to San. Francisco they want to go shopping you. can't like you can't do that there's. just addicts everywhere mentally ill. people everywhere encampments everywhere. it's transgression of normal boundaries. and similarly you have these these guys. they come in as Governor it was both him. and his predecessor they come in as. governor and the first thing they want. to do is be president they haven't done. anything to help the state uh and then.

you get the government thinks he wants. to go to Israel they want to go to he's. going to go to China thinks he's. involved in foreign policy that's not. the role of the governor role of. Governor is to be governor of the state. I mean it's one of the it's I mean for. me it would be the greatest job in the. world to be governor of California I. mean it's a huge responsibility it's a. huge honor you're entrusted with this. incredible responsibility it's the. fourth largest economy in the world now. surpassed Germany here you have this. incredible honor and you um it's not.

good enough you know for Gavin new he's. got to go and pretend like he's. president of the United States even. though he hasn't he's done nothing for. the state he's made it much worse so it. is a kind of I think a lot of the. psychopathologies that we see in the. society at large that have been. increasing antisocial personality. disorder which we used to call you know. psychopathy and. narcissism and histrionic behaviors you. know sort of hysterical behaviors um you.

know we start to see them very prevalent. in the society um and climate. activists uh and we're seeing the. politicians you know and. um so it's uh yeah it's a there's a kind. of a sickness I mean people as you might. imagine you call your book San Francisco. and some people get their backs up. all but I I think that the title is. accurate I think there's just I think. it's it's not it's not evil exactly it's. not you know I mean I think there's evil.

consequences but it's really just a kind. of pathology it's a kind of a sickness. that results from people who have very. privileged lives like a lot of these are. the behaviors that you would see among. like the kids of rich people like the. you know. coddled spoiled behaviors I mean the. governor's behaviors are the behaviors. of sort of a spoiled child MH you know. of someone. who uh had no consequences for their.

behaviors and and so and and so we sort. of starting to see that in the C I've. been writing about it because I work on. climate change a lot you sort of see. climate activist doing things like. throwing tomato soup at a van go. painting what are you doing you know. you're behaving these are temper. tantrums so I for. me I think what you need and it's for. California I think it's for America it's. to Back to Basics you know raise your. your kids right obey the law you know. work. hard uh you know do your work you know.

get control of your life control the. things you can control and don't worry. about the things you can't control you. know we Kavin Newsome can't control. Hamas yeah um it apparent apparently not. even the prime minister of Israel can. control Hamas he thought he could but. the governor of California can actually. help the cities to enforce the laws and. get people the care they need that is. something that's in his responsibilities. and but he's.

not uh he's not using his. responsibilities instead he's trying to. do things that are not his. responsibilities so in that sense. there's a dis we're disordered it's I. think that's the right we say. psychiatric disorders that that's I. think that describes the sickness of. California to some extent of the United. States as a whole let's talk about some. of the crime stuff that's been going on. in California the crime rates have. increased 6% since. 2021 Progressive district attorney in.

San Francisco and Los Angeles face. recalls after spikes and violent crimes. major retailers are leaving San. Francisco and Los Angeles AM amidst. rampant store thefts and under. proposition 47 thefts under $950 will. not be prosecuted they will be. considered a misdemeanor and theft has. become the. deao and and in it seems like pretty. much all of California did this start. with the defund the police movement it.

goes way back goes earlier really to the. 1990s I actually worked on these issues. when I was on the left in the 9s we. thought it was sort of cruel it sort of. seems cruel to be sending people to jail. or prison for petty crimes you know um. stealing $100 a couple hundred bucks of. stuff out of the. drugstore uh you know there's all this. stuff around certainly the concerns. around race and racism which very real. concerns in the past but then you get.

this overreaction and so we. decriminalized can I back up for a. minute and just I just want to ask you. what do you think. inappropriate what would in your mind. what would an appropriate consequence be. for somebody who walks into my business. and steals $200 worth of my stuff well I. mean to some extent it depends on what. that person and what's going on with. that person I mean it's why we we have. laws and then you have judges that can.

give out different. sentences is that the first crime for. that person is that person mentally ill. is that person an. addict is that person just a thug you. know um I tell a story I have two. characters in my book real life. characters one white one black the black. character. Jabari had a whole life of crime. stealing things you know walking walk. out of stores stealing cars um had an. addiction and and every because he was.

black and were so liberal like every. time he would get arrested and there' be. some consequences the the serious. penalties would be waved so he was sort. of treated more leniently mhu the white. character was a family guy got addicted. to opioids addicted to heroin that was. on the streets homeless smoking fenel he. gets arrested basically for holding the. drugs for. dealers and he had much more severe.

consequences well turned out the the. better to have the severe consequences. because then he had the choice between. prison and rehab and he chose rehab my. black character because they were. treating him like a victim because of. his race actually got worse off because. he never had any consequences any. serious consequences for his behavior I. love the story because it actually you. contrast this thing of you think you're. helping somebody because you're pitying. them and you're feeling sorry for them.

and you're making them worse off cuz. you're never forcing them to deal with. the addiction Jabari was never forced to. deal with the addiction you know it. finally did he actually then he was so. sick with addiction he actually ended up. breaking a law in a way where kind of. unconsciously he was looking for. consequences and that was how he. eventually got the the rehab that he. needed so I think that the specifics of. any any single person don't matter so. much but this attitude that people are.

committing crimes because they're. victims it's the wrong attitude you got. to have proper consequences for Behavior. now if there's addiction and mental. illness then we should try to treat. those things too but even in those cases. many many addicts as you know aren't. going to deal with their addiction. unless they know that the alternative is. going to prison mhm if the choice is. going into rehab or staying on the. street and smoking meth and Fentanyl. almost all of them are going to stay on. the street smoking meth and fenel that's. why really like nobody gets into rehab. in San Francisco it's like I mean they.

offer it but there's no there's no. intervention that would require people. to go so to some extent this. intervention you that's what happens. when you arrest somebody for breaking. the law every time you break the law. there should be some intervention. because something obviously went wrong. for you to break the law what about the. retribution for the for the shop owner. or the business owner or the or the I. mean from what I understand you can't. even call the police now if you've been. robbed and you weren't home well why. bother well I mean Oak so they did.

recall the da in San Francisco thank God. and we have a different district. attorney there's now an effort to recall. the district attorney from Oakland. because she is so radical I mean there. is a case of a young gang banger shot. another gang banger in the face Point. Blank killed him he was out of jail. within a year mhm. they just didn't Pro they didn't file. the charges to prosecute him they've. lost all of the experienced district.

attorneys in Oakland so they cannot. properly try a murder case in Oakland. are these all Soros funded attorneys yes. this the district attorney of Oakland is. is. an is an idiot I mean ideological and. incompetent I mean she was incompetent. before she ran for district attorney the. mayor is incompetent I'm not saying that. like in some rhetorical way I mean. genuinely not bright like genuinely not.

able to actually do the jobs they're. chosen for it because they've learned to. recite these magical phrases around you. know around restorative justice which is. just code for not Prosecuting people for. absolutely heinous crimes I mean the. situation is Oakland so bad it'll sound. like I'm exaggerating but these are this. is actually what's happening is is. people are you know allowed to commit. crimes we know that criminals when. caught they talk about being protected. by anti Pam Pamela price is the name of.

the description they call her auntie pan. you kidding me that's how the criminals. feel like they control Oakland I mean it. sounds like an exaggeration to your. viewers they're not going to believe it. just go read up on Oakland crime it's. absolutely out of control the only good. that's coming out of it is that. moderates political moderates are. starting to organize and we're working. to raise the money to get the signatures. to remove her from office because she's. going to be she's for some Quirk of the. system she has a six-year term not just.

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what what what other kinds of I mean. what other kinds of crimes are you. seeing um I mean from what I understand. they let they let just about they let a. lot of people out of prison over there. they lot of people got out of prison. huge reductions of prison population. they have defunded the police they have. demoralized the entire law enforcement.

Community y um actually that's that's. Nationwide almost maybe not Florida but. um but I mean cops all over the country. are are they're demoralized what what I. mean and you don't so you don't. understandably so I feel like there's a. deeper agenda I don't know what it is I. think honestly I think the defund the. police movement was they wanted they. they wanted to completely gut the old. mindset and and demoralize them force.

them out with the with the force. vaccines with the with the with the just. demoralizing them Prosecuting them for. doing their jobs yeah um not allowing. them to do their jobs and and. and and you can see the recruiting. videos both in law enforcement and in. the military they've gone woke nobody. nobody joins the military law. enforcement for a woke agenda there is. there is a.

demographic that serves this country and. that protects our country and goes into. law enforcement and it. is not people that are interested in. woke agendas that's right and and so it. it does not work every I mean it's. obvious it does not work at this point. yet we still keep going this direction. yeah so I mean do you feel like there's. a a deeper agenda to this I do except.

for I I think it's a a spiritual agenda. ideological and religious agenda really. how so I mean look what we're talking. about here is the end of. civilization civilization depends on Law. and Order cheap energy. meritocracy if you don't have those and. those are all three things that the. radical woke left undermining you could. even add uh you know. borders border control but you could put.

that under law and order if you don't. have Law and Order you don't have a. society you don't have a civilization so. you see what's been attacked are all. three of those things make energy. they're making energy expensive they're. attacking Law and Order and they're. attacking meritocracy they're trying to. make it so that it's unequal Justice. different laws for different. races so I think it's a very I would. just say if in a word I'd call it. nihilism you know I was I was working on. my third book I decided not to do it I'm. working on doing it as journalism. basically but nihilism it's it results.

from when people stop having traditional. religion they stop believing in God they. stop believing that their lives are. special that humans are special it's. very much just a negation of. civilization that's what nihilism means. just the negativism just against it. there on the left there used to be a. more utopian positive View and I'm not. defending it I'm just saying there used. to be it used to be socialism it used to. be revolution at best it would get. somebody like M Nelson Mandela or Martin.

Luther King it was a very different. story it was a story of heroic. overcoming you know we shall overcome. was the was the most important song of. the Civil Rights. Movement you get you get since then you. know it's just darkness you know it's. just uh the world is coming to an end. from climate. change it's uh the police are all. murderers you know and they're. bad uh you know that we should stop. teaching algebra to kids because because. there's racial disparities that.

undermining meritocracy we should hire. people based on their race these are. really dangerous bad ideas that are. aimed at the destruction of civilization. coming from. people who have said that they think. Western Civilization is evil and wrong. you know built on genocide and slavery. and all the rest I mean we know the. story so so we shouldn't be surprised. that they're doing things that undermine. these pillars of. civilization uh I'm not sure that free.

speech is a pillar of civilization it's. a pillar of democracy it's a pillar of. liberal democracy and freedom but. they're also undermining that too I've. been working a lot on the censorship. issue so I think you have to see all of. it it's a very radical nihilism it's. coming from people who are. disordered you know people you know. people like George Soros he's very old. now his son controls the. foundation you know but I when I was. involved with their activities in the. 90s even back then there was a sense in.

which the criminal justice system was. just completely. racist and you know sure there's racial. Prejudice but we have a system of of. equal justice under the law if they're. not doing Equal justice under the law. then you have an appeals process and. there's things that we need to do to get. get rid of it or to change to reform it. but this has been an attack on on the. fundamentals of Law and Order so. absolutely defund the police demoralize.

the police let people out of prison that. should belong in prison it's all. accelerated so that you know when I. first started doing research on. homelessness in. 2019 to 2021 I could see it on the. streets of LA I would see it suddenly. there was all sorts of very you know not. just sick people not just addicts but. scary people people with like a lot of. face tattoos people that clearly had. been in getting prison gangs controlling. the drug trade I I had not really felt. very scared in homeless areas like Skid.

Row I did start to feel more worried. when I was there afterwards and I think. it was this influx of people from the. prisons I mean you know here you're a. police officer it's a service job you. know you're a public servant uh you're a. boy scout I'm not saying there's not. some bad cops obviously there's some bad. cops out there but part of part of the. reason you want to have a large police. force is that when you discover that. somebody's a bad cop you can let them go. without significantly reducing size of.

your police force fact we know that. police are better when there's more of. them there's there they have time for. training they have time for personal. Wellness they have time for they don't. have to work overtime all the time I. mean we are working our cops in. California all of them like they're. working overtime constantly they're. burned out they feel persecuted because. they are in many ways by the public. uh by the activists they're always. holding up cell phones on routine. traffic stops they're telling the police. they shouldn't do traffic stops traffic.

stops are great it's how we prevent. drunk driving it's how we pull guns off. the streets it's how we find bad guys. that are out uh we have warrants for. their arrest is how we get them off the. street they've they've. demonized uh just routine police. activities one of the most exciting. things we discovered while researching. in San. Francisco was police prevent murder I. mean it sounds obvious but you soon as. hear people deny this they'll say things.

like oh well police don't prevent crime. that is absolute nonsense more police. reduce crime and it's very well. established it's been established for. decades it's common sense but they've. proven it in many studies and they. prevent murders and homicides and the. best cops they get out of their cars. they walk around the neighborhoods they. know who the kids they know who the. young men are that they expect from they. they have a relationship with them they. look them in the eye they say hey how. are you doing Jimmy you know how they go.

see their mother they walk they go in. the home they have a coffee with the. grandma or the mom or the aunties they. have a relationship with the kids they. see them and they get in the heads of. the young men who could end up. committing a homicide that Friday night. or that Saturday night what you saw. after black lives matter and defund the. police is the police would stay in their. cars they would not walk around they. were scared to walk around they've been. demonized by the society. demoralized and so you get a spike in. homicides and murders and other crimes.

so for. me I I'm I get very emotional about it. because I think that police are these. guys that are vast majority of them. trying to do the right thing want to do. the right thing they want to prevent. violence they're they're they're not. bullies you know again there's some bad. eggs we can you know deal with those. guys but the mistreatment of police. officers it's it's an injustice that. occurred and we haven't recovered from. it I mean we're 540 police officers. short in San Francisco hundreds of.

police officers short in Oakland. hundreds of police officers short in Los. Angeles and you're right I mean these. things are true across the United States. they just happen to be worse in. California what is I mean is anybody. signing. up is there any tiny numbers in the you. know the cadets and the in the academy. there's just tiny numbers so so it's. actually it's actually looks like it's. going to get much much worse before it. gets better I think we owe the police an. apology I mean I think so too you know.

and and and a proper apology you know. like an easy apology is not really a. true apology you know people that are. quick to just like oh I'm sorry or. whatever it doesn't mean anything a. proper we need a proper apology for the. police you know we need to you know and. it starts with the mayor it starts with. the governor of California the mayor of. San Francisco. they need to apologize we need some sort. of public ceremony you know we need some. reconciliation and some and we need to.

ask the police for their. forgiveness because they were done wrong. I mean I interviewed police that they. during the black lives matter proest. they had feces thrown on them MH bags of. urine thrown on them they didn't do they. didn't deserve that these are police. officers who are pretty sophisticated. people they're aware of the mental. illness problems they're aware of. addiction you you know they've uh. they've learned how to use you know. restraints you know physical restraints. in ways that are much more compassionate.

they try to you know they've actually. they they've reduced how much they chase. people but then it's gone so far in the. other direction now they can't use the. right holds on people to protect. themselves they're scared of being. victims of lawsuits M so we need to. apologize to the police and clean up the. broken spiritual psychological social. relationship between the society and the. police then we need to go and change the. laws to give the police the powers they. need to do their jobs and prevent crime.

homicide and murder at the top of it but. all of them I think you're right I think. it's going to get a lot worse I mean the. the the police officers that I know in. California all of them the only reason. they're still there is they're only a. few years from retirement yeah you know. so you have a I don't want to say. elderly but you have a a a veteran law. enforcement Community who's not doing. anything because they're just going to. write it. out in 5 years when these guys are all.

retired and nobody's signing up you guys. aren't going to have a law enforcement. Community there will be nothing well we. need to do something look these guy you. know CU we we did have a very generous. uh retirement package for police I think. it's still in place and and Highway. Patrol and others some of these guys can. retire at like 55 but the truth of the. matter is you know I mean at least for. me you know turned I'm 52 you only. figure out what you're doing when you're. like in your 50s your 40s and 50s so I.

would want to if I were Governor I would. want to arrange something where we would. ask officers to please stick around for. a little bit longer these officers in. their 50s can be quite brilliant I mean. even in their 60s you don't have NE have. to be on patrol but I would say what can. we do to keep you around on the forest. even if it's 20 30 hours a week you know. um I love working I think a a lot of uh. great cops love working at let's see. what we can do to keep them around for a. little bit longer until we can replenish. our cadetes so you would incentivize.

them something you got to do something. you got to keep people there I mean if. we need it's not you know California. it's not a problem of money in. California me we have a Hu that's the. tech industry I mean you have Hollywood. you have farming you have all these. industries but the tech industry I mean. it is the it's the biggest industry in. the world I mean it's a and now we're. having a new boom on AI so rich people. like to live in California so and we pay. ridiculous sums of money in taxes it's. not a problem of money we have a public.

safety problem we have a addiction and. Mental Health. Emergency we need to deal with these. things you need politicians that are. going to do the right thing tell the. public what we need to do not just what. they want to. hear how often are these you know I see. all this footage of of these mobs of. people raiding Nordstroms raiding. Walmart. Target whatever the Gucci store I mean.

if you have you how often is that. happening is this like an everyday. occurrence is I mean there's obviously. some families that are very tied up with. crime shame on those parents you know. shame on these families that are engaged. in that they need to be prosecuted you. know it's. organized you know these are rings you. know certainly there's I'm sure. addiction is there. but uh you know some of it's thrill. seeking you know when you inter you know.

when criminals get. interviewed it's not what you know. Alexandria kazio Cortez thinks which is. that people are doing it because they. can't afford to eat you know young men. involved in crime it's thrilling and I. don't see them stealing food. no I do not see him stealing food no. there's no consequences for those. behaviors you know they the the radical. left convinced people that it wasn't. compassionate to have consequences for. behaviors and it extended including the. addiction and the and the homelessness.

it extended to things like. theft and uh now apparently in Oakland. extends to homicide it extends to. homicide yeah I mean these examples I. give where somebody serves a year in. jail for a homicide and then gets let. out this is I mean that's that's how you. destroy a civilization what is the what. is as far as the crime is concerned what. what hope do you have that this is going. to turn. around well yeah and I was going to.

answer that earlier question in terms of. the crimes we're seeing you know you do. get different kinds of crimes depending. on what city and where you're at you. know there's you know in San Francisco I. mean it's very famous now for getting. your car broken into I mean the chances. are high that your car will get broken. into in San Francisco now it was that. way when I was there in the 90s but it's. gotten much worse recently uh We've you. know the homicides tend to be worse in. Oakland than in San Francisco um just. based on the folks committing those.

crimes but we are now seeing home. invasions in Oakland and I think nothing. quite uh awakens you to the threat like. a home invasion you know it's uh these. are pretty horrible events so I think. it's the rise of home invasions that. finally LED some of the folks in Oakland. to say uh we're going to have to call. the district. attorney it's there's a short-term and a. long-term thing I mean the short-term. thing is we need to raise you know.

somewhere around you know3 to7 million. in Oakland to get the signatures to. recall the district attorney I think. that's going to happen I mean there's. enough affluent folks that will help to. make that happen in Oakland they need to. step up you know medium long term we. have to have a pro-human. vision so I was mentioning before the. nihilism which is is really a kind of. anti-humanism we see it on all of those. attacks on civilization are. anti-human attacks it's inhumane the the.

treatment of the of the mentally ill and. the addicts on the street it's inhumane. the treatment of the police it's. inhumane what's happening on the. border this this racial this this this. everything is race every you know this. whole obsession with race it's. dehumanizing we're human beings we're. not our race we're not reducing ible to. the color of our skin we need to get. back to Modern Luther King's original I. have a dream vision of and I'm not going.

to say color blindness because I think. it's very hard to be color blind and I. don't think it's necessary but we need. to get back to a place of of loving all. people for who they are on the inside. and not on the. outside and we need abundant energy in. food we need to have Prosperity so. people have a better future I mean. people a lot a lot most people maybe. want to have a they don't have big needs. they would like to have a house with. yard and a barbecue and somewhere to. raise their kids safely and a good. school for their kids I would say this. is a pro-human. agenda people are so obsessed with left.

and right and those terms don't make a. lot of sense anymore we've seen. Republicans move in different directions. they become a little bit more opposed to. military interventions liberals a little. bit more in support of military. interventions we've seen Republicans. shift on things like Social Security and. Medicare we've seen Chaos on the border. I want to get back to basics it's if. you're pro-human and we should affirm. humankind because we're a very special. species you know we think special in the. universe um for a variety of reasons and.

if you're prum then you have to be Pro. civilization and if you're Pro. civilization that means you want Law and. Order cheap energy meritocracy and if. you want to live in a free society that. means you need freedom of speech very. simple things I don't think those are. left right things I think those are. pro-human versus anti-human things we. need to affirm those things and invest. in them and protect them against I think. an inhumane woke ideology and I don't.

mean to overly pick on the left I do. think that the left has been driving a. lot of these terrible behaviors but. certainly we've seen some nihilism as. well on the right and I think this is. the right play Get Back to Basics you. know in a time where there's so much. chaos in the system you know there's so. much distrust there's so much abusive. power you know we've been working on FBI. whistleblowers these FBI whistleblowers. I mean they're some of the best people. I've ever met These Guys these are like. Boy Scouts mhm you know they these are.

guys that that can recite passages of. the Constitution to you they carry the. Constitution with them when they're when. they're superiors at FBI I would ask. them if they're loyal to the FBI say I'm. loyal to the Constitution that's the. right answer these are the kinds of. people you want in law enforcement these. are people that quit because they saw. their colleagues in FBI in trapping. mentally ill people in trapping them in. order to create a phone. domestic extremism you know Americans. are very moderate people you know in the. Heartland and whatever and we've seen.

the use of confidential. informance so we've started to see these. institutions whether it's Department of. Homeland Security. FBI you know White House abusing Powers. engaging in censorship engaging in. inment uh you know going after. whistleblowers um you know we were. talking about the UFO stuff earlier the. UAP stuff I see it in the UAP stuff I. see some of the UAP abuses of power and. I go that's very similar to other abuses. of power we are overdue for a period of.

serious reform in this country I think. it has to uh it has to manifest. politically somehow there has to be. demand for it from the. public but I do think we're in a period. like the 70s you know in the 70s is when. we became aware uh through the church. committee hearings of MK Ultra where the. CIA and FBI were involved in mind. control and drugs and drugging people. without knowledge targeted. assassinations all these abuses of power. we got to clean up these institutions.

you got to remove the narcissists and. the Psychopaths who run them got to. remove the narcissists and Psychopaths. from political office because they only. serve themselves and they're they're. they're. weaponizing these. institutions so for me that's the right. path forward and you need it at every. level of our society federal state and. local and you need it in the culture. that's why I mean it's it's why I love. talking to you and love seeing the stuff. that you're doing is to. rehumanize the people that are doing the.

hard work the people that are protecting. our country you know the people that are. serving in our military serving as. police officers working at the power. plants working at the feed Lots you know. doing the Lord's work and not getting. the respect that they deserve from the. society next on the Sha Ryan. Show I think another thing I've been. interested in is the the way that uh we. think about Free Will in the context of. this so in the Christian Story free will.

is part of how you deal with the fact. that there's evil in the world and yet. we believe in a god that is as sensibly. all powerful and all good how can you. have a God that's all powerful and all. good and so love evil in the world one. of the answers that's been given is that. we have free will and so there's. something on us to choose a better world. and so we're sort of realizing ing God's. will through our actions and behavior. but we're doing it freely we're not just. God's puppets there's free will and and.

that we're actually and. that what do you. [Music]. believe hey everybody I'm Shawn Ryan. click here to subscribe to the Shawn. Ryan Show YouTube channel for the. hottest and most compelling interviews. that you will not see anywhere else I've. also made a playlist of all the previous. SRS episodes so they're easy to find you. can find that right. here.