Megyn Kelly - The End of Mainstream Media | SRS #129

Megan Kelly welcome to the show so good. to see you again it's good to see you. too I just want to say this is so. surreal to me to be interviewing you uh. I mean throughout my entire career we. watched The Kelly File on uh deployments. and uh to keep up with what's happening. in the rest of the world so just to be.

sitting here is uh it's it's very. surreal and I'm thankful for the. opportunity so thank you thank you for. telling me that I'm so excited to be. here I only knew a bit about you before. you came on my show and I said this. after you left publicly and not in a. creepy way but I haven't been able to. stop thinking about you like that whole. interview was so profound and really. just affected me in ways that I'm not. usually affected when I sit down with. somebody so it was a no-brainer when you.

asked me to come here I'm looking. forward to a long friendship I hope wow. that means a lot thank you so much and. uh yeah it was a I love that interview. so I just listened to it again today but. um so thank you for that opportunity as. well thank you although I've decided I. got to step up my studio now that I'm. here in your my god I've been phoning it. in it's unbelievable in here thank you. there's a lot of artifacts it's turning. into uh I Museum I gave you I got to.

start putting more pressure on my guests. to give me things important things the. the best thing I've ever gotten from a. guest is a signed basketball signed by. remember when uh Dennis Rodman went over. to he's the Henry kinger of our time to. try to find peace with Donald Trump and. Kim Jong-un well it's signed by two out. of the three I got Trump and Dennis. Rodman on there with all three of their. faces on the basketball that's cool.

that's got to be a one of a kind thing. might be might be the most valuable. thing I own right on right on well let. me uh I'd like to kick it off with an. introduction uh not that you need one. but here we. go Megan Kelly you a journalist at Fox. News for 13 years and moderated six. presidential debates including the first. Republican primary debate in 2015 you. hosted America's Newsroom America live. and The Kelly File you are the founder. of Devil May care media and host of the.

Megan Kelly show one of the top podcasts. in the world your 2016 Memoir settle for. more debuted at number one on the New. York Times bestseller list you have an. impressive and varied list of notable. interviews including Russian President. Vladimir Putin Indian Prime Minister I'm. going to butcher that Israeli Prime. Minister Benjamin Netanyahu former. president Donald Trump then Senator. Barack Obama President Joe Biden.

Senator Mitt Romney Michael Phelps and. the list goes on you've won awards such. as time magazines 100 most in. influential people vanity fairs new. establishment list and Hollywood. reporters wom and entertainment power. 100 in 2016 you became the second news. anchor in history to be featured on the. cover on the cover of Vanity Fair you. are a mother of three a wife and a. devout. Catholic and one of my fav things about.

you is you do not waver in your values. or beliefs and uh that's hard to come by. these days oh well thank you for that my. I can tell my assistant has been. here but um how old am I but uh so I. just watched this movie this morning for. the first time bombshell oh wow you. watched bombshell I watched the whole. thing this morning and. uh wow I I'd always heard about out what.

went on over there but to see it uh in. that. format it's what you did is just so. commendable and um I can't wait to dive. into that but uh I have a lot of. thoughts I mean to me you are a beacon. of light in a lost world for. women especially in this upcoming. generation I mean they're just facing so. much and and there aren't too many.

positive role models in the world left I. don't think and uh you're a great one so. oh thank you I'm you know definitely. have a strong ethical. Compass um but I'm I am open-minded to. being persuaded I'm wrong you know I. always say it's delightful to find out. you're wrong because tomorrow you'll be. less wrong than you were yesterday but. you know certain core things that you. grow up with from the church from your.

parents from your girl scout troop. though not today but back when I grew up. you know they they do communicate. certain core values to you that ideally. you hold on to throughout your life and. and while like different interests May. Come and Go different judgments may come. and go the core set of values tends to. stay the same that's at least been my. experience though I have to admit devout. Catholic may be too strong because I. think my priest will be sitting at home. like really I mean.

um we've missed a few appearances at. Sunday mass over the past year but not. too many well I would love to dive into. your faith journey and how that's all. going maybe towards the end of the. interview as well sure but um I would. love to do a life story on you starting. at the beginning and uh and going. through your come up into being. a. mega news anchor and and and how you got. to where you are today and then uh maybe.

some current events at the end but um I. have a subscription platform it's on. patreon and uh there are top supporters. have been here since the beginning and. so one thing that I do is I give them. the opportunity to ask each guest a. question and it was overwhelmingly. questions about your you standing up for. for women and so I wanted to so I kind.

of combined all those questions and and. uh just wanted to ask. you especially being a father of a. 8-month-old. daughter what is the best piece of. advice for young women dedicated to. rising to the top in today's. generation don't think of yourself as a. woman just think of yourself as a worker. and do it a lot of it all the time. without complaint you know that you're.

not above anything I almost called my. book out hustled as opposed to settle. for more because I really think that's. the word that explains my success. there's nothing particularly special. about me I'm not particularly brilliant. or particularly talented in one way or. another I've just worked really hard. studied hard and when I landed in this. field worked really hard to develop the. skills that it would take to do well. here and anyone anyone can do that it. does require some each field requires.

some natural aptitude you know I don't. think this work ethic on stage in the. ballet would have produced the same. rewards for me but once you narrow it. down to I think I have the natural. talents that could make me succeed in. this business it's all about hard work. and so my advice to young women is the. same as it is to young men get in there. do every job even the ones that aren't. yours even the grimy ones that make you. feel less than.

don't leave before your boss come in on. the weekends volunteer to take every. assignment even if you think it's. beneath you with a thank you when you. get positive or negative feedback say. thank you when somebody gives you any. sort of. critique explore it why what did I do. how could I do better if somebody edits. your writing ask them to have the marked. up brief let me see it how did I go. wrong how could I do better all of it is. a learning opportunity so I think all of. that's important to becoming.

you know a valued employee or Star. whatever in your particular industry but. I will also. say whatever's thrown at you by your. boss by your colleagues by your spouse. by your friend by your office mate the. response is thank you thank you great. wow that's a great piece of advice thank. you even if it's shitty. because now you've got this to deal with. you're figuring out this is how I deal. with a crappy person an unethical person.

this is a lesson to me in how I misjudge. somebody as good who turns out to be not. so good where did I go wrong all of it. is opportunity if only you will take an. Ever So brief time you don't have to. spend days and years to reflect on. it have you always lived by that. philosophy or is that. learned I would say I put that to more. use once I hit the professional field as. a young lawyer and then certainly when. my first marriage was collapsing that.

was a great opportunity to really pause. you know and figure some things out. about myself and thankfully that. happened in my young 30s so that set me. up for a nice long run you know since. then good I have I also have a this is a. personal question and uh you know ever. since I started doing this and um I kind. of talked about why I started doing it. on on when you interviewed me but.

ever since I got. into uncovering corruption or the truth. space or whatever you want to call it. it's uh it's almost like a beacon one. out for. for all the. weirdos to try to get on my podcast and. and uh it. gets it gets really hard to determine. who is completely full of [ __ ] and who. is who's.

actually not manipulating facts. to make it sound like truth it's It's. Tricky I Think It's Tricky do you find. it. tricky um yes and no I mean I have a. whole team of producers who I really. trust some of them have been with me for. more than a dozen years and gotten me. through Fox and MBC and now this show so. I have complete trust in them MH so they. you know I through it all I have more.

than my own radar to figure out who's. telling the truth but I still make. mistakes because I don't I think like. you notwithstanding my cynical newswoman. background and you've got to be somewhat. cynical given your background too I. still trust people I still kind of love. people my instinct is still to believe. as opposed to to doubt yeah unless. you're a politician in which case it's. the opposite. believe almost nothing yeah but you know.

when I was at NBC I had that Couple come. on my show I don't know if you remember. this story but they the woman ran out of. gas and a homeless guy gave her his last. $20 she filled up her gas tank. and it was just such a nice gift by the. homeless guy anyway turn to this whole. thing she and her husband wound up. starting a GoFundMe for this guy all. these people donated it was a feel-good. story whole thing wound up being a fraud. they were all in on it before we knew. that I had the husband and wife on my. show cuz they were under some scrutiny.

for maybe stealing some of the gold from. me I gave them way too much benefit of. the doubt they were total frauders it. was so bad but you know I wouldn't take. it back if I could because I like that. part of me I I don't want to lose that. part of me yeah. yeah yeah I get I just um you know some. of the stuff I worry about is. is things like the co vaccine MH.

or I don't ever want to affect. somebody's decision- making process off. [ __ ] that was put out on my show and. uh I I. just I feel a huge responsibility to to. that and um so so I was just curious how. you sift through it I mean that stuff. was very. tricky the co stuff was very tricky we. were turned on by so many authorities. that we were supposed to trust.

yeah it's almost like too big to get. your arms around what happened there and. I actually think it's one of the reasons. why people can't go back there if you do. stories on covid they they don't get. numbers and it's not because in. particular the right half of the country. doesn't have very strong feelings about. it it's just part of the term triggering. yeah it's triggering you know it's like. people are pissed nothing changed we. screwed over our kids and ourselves a. lot of us took the vaccine and feel. unhealthier as a result of it people are. worried about their children if they.

gave it to them so it's one of those. avoidance things. now but yeah I I did not get all of. covid right I think I did okay to give. myself a B+ on my understanding of what. was going on there but it's very hard. when you have so many previously trusted. entities lying to you yeah yeah even I. mean I'm not I wasn't for it but uh I. brought I brought somebody on and and I. felt like they.

were I felt like the facts they were. they were against it too and I felt like. the facts that they were pulling were. painting it they were pulling all these. facts from all these other things and. trying to create a narrative out of it. and uh I never aired it wow cuz I didn't. I didn't if I don't believe him then I. won't air it smart so it's it's very. hard to know and then I mean I'll I'll. take you back to the covid period where. Alex Alex Baron wasn't allowed anywhere. you know he he was a covid vaccine.

doubter early on former New York Times. Reporter then he turned an author and um. he was saying some interesting things I. mean I had interviewed him on. Fox and he seemed like a very credible. serious journalist to me I he never. struck me as a crackpot you know there. are some people out there that you just. know so I said let's put him on i' like. to find out why he's so scary to. everyone and you know Alex Baron turned. out to be write about not everything but.

a lot and I thought our duty in putting. him on was just just research everything. he was going to say and find out what. the other side was saying so I could. tweak him you know so that people could. make up their own. minds but somebody like that I didn't. think it was right not to platform that. guy at all right like it's a serious. person he's not a nutcase he's not out. there to hurt a bunch of. people but there are some people who are. more in the category of what you're. saying and for me I just try to stay.

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betterhelp visit betterhelp.com. today to get 10% off your first month. that's betterhelp. hp.com. Shan I was born uh in Illinois my dad. was getting his PhD at uh the University. of Illinois and then before I turned one. we moved to Syracuse New York and that's. where I spent pretty much the first 10. years of my life where my dad taught at. Syracuse University and then we moveed. to Albany so I basically just moved from.

one Tundra to another immersed in 4et of. snow every winter um freezing our asses. off but loving it you know totally gray. totally freeze. freezing Summers were almost. non-existent maybe a month and then. every other month was snowy with. sledding but I thought it was Heavenly. and you have how many sisters I had one. sister who's uh she was 6 and a half. almost 7 years older than I am and then.

my brother's 5 and 1/2 years older okay. so you're the youngest yeah of. three I'm the I was the only one they. really wanted Sean my brother and sister. were accidents they got my mom had them. when she was like 23 and 24 I was the. only planned child which is me which. means only only coveted child there you. go there you go what what uh what kind. of stuff were you into as a kid what did. you like doing you know it's funny cuz I. look back now because you know now my.

husband and I are living such different. lives than the ones we grew up with my. kids have a great. existence and we have some money so they. get to do some fun vacations and they. get to go to this Camp although it's not. an expensive camp but you know they're. learning how to sale I never did. anything like that so when I was growing. up I I literally went through the. sprinkler in my mom's backyard in the. summer or the Highlight was we'd go to. my nana and popups Boatyard on the. Hudson I was swimming in the Hudson.

River in the 1970s when GE was doing all. of its toxic dumps I could have been at. Nasa I I if only I had not taken in that. amount of. toxicity anyway but it was great it was. Heavenly because we'd sit out there I. was joking the other day with my husband. I'm like you know I was thinking back. one of my favorite activities was to. make mud pies you know just mud pies. when it rained and then I said my second. thought was we were poor like how was.

that my favorite activity but it was you. know we'd sneak out my grandparents had. a stand where they would sell Burgers to. the fisherman and uh I could get a. cheeseburger whenever I wanted and then. at night when nobody was there you know. the customers my brother my sister and I. would have our friends over and we'd. play waitress where we'd get the little. order pads we'd make ice cream Sundays. for each other we'd have Elvis Presley. movies on or The Brady Bunch you know.

classic' 7s. TV and I don't know if it gets any. happier than that you don't need to sale. you don't need a tennis you don't need a. yach club you don't need any of that. crap you can do it with mud pies a. little Elvis and a great. cheeseburger I've never lost sight of. that I feel like all of that was an. important ingredient to becoming a good. journalist. frankly were you were you close with. your. siblings yes um my there was enough of. an age difference that when we were.

little I wasn't that close to my brother. my sister took care of me you know she. was seven years older so she was always. a. caretaker and good to me she was very. funny and my mom is very funny all the. women in my family have very strong. sense of humor and my brother just sort. of I think I was he I was annoying to. him he was annoyed by me because I was. always in his staff I was messing with. his Geral when he didn't want me to I. picked up one and his tail fell off I. was like oh [ __ ]. buried in the garbage um but then when.

we got older as soon as I was like 16 my. brother and I got closer and my sister. and I were always close and now my. brother and I are really close what did. your mother do my mom is a nurse and so. she spent her whole life uh nursing at. ultimately the Albany Veterans Hospital. oh good yeah and you lost your father at. age 15 correct yeah of a heart attack. yeah how did you get through.

that I mean the short answer is my mom. my mom is she's really strong and always. was and that sense of humor was very. important you know she was able to crack. jokes almost the night of not quite but. almost and kind of taught us how to keep. laughing even through the dark. times um. I don't I it was an odd time of life for.

me because my dad died December 15th. 1985 I was a sophore in high school it. was sudden it was right before Christmas. and it couldn't have been a more. explosive event on our family but at the. same. time I was popular that year I hadn't. always been I was very badly bullied. earlier but that year I was popular and. I had lost some weight I was starting to. look better my acne was clearing up I.

was getting invited to these cool. parties with you know good-look boys who. started to ask me. out and so for a 15-year-old girl all of. those things are great things and so I. remember that year as just feeling such. an odd mix of intense sadness and. depression and yet happiness and. hopefulness about my life and like. how it could be and and escapism you.

know when not not in terms of drugs or. alcohol but just like you know going to. the prom with the junior right like. that's cool like shopping for a dress. back in those days we didn't have cell. phones like just wait waiting for him to. call and then he did call I remember. those moments almost as acutely as I. remember the sadness around my dad's. death I think just given the value. system of a 15-year-old girl what where. it happens. suddenly so he was only.

45 and um my mom was. 44 and he really hadn't had any health. problems he wasn't an exerciser you know. 1985 a lot of people weren't he had a. relatively stressful job he was a. professor first at Syracuse and then at. Sunni. Albany and but he loved his job he. wasn't heavy but he did smoke and he. drank not to excess but he smoked. and um about a week or 10 days before he.

died he thought he was having some heart. trouble and he went to the ER and they. told him it was heartburn so he came. back. relieved other than that there had not. been any sort of. warning and um the night he died it was. a Sunday night my sister was home from. college because it was close to. Christmas my brother was still at his. college which was not too far from where. we lived and and um said good night went.

upstairs and I just remember my sister. waking me up shortly after midnight. saying wake up Daddy had a heart. attack and it's just it's like an. otherworldly it's an outof body. experience you. know. wow that's sad you you had just. mentioned that you were bullied as a. little girl why were you bullied.

why why that's an interesting question. um I think I think it's because I had. a fairly big not huge but fairly big. personality so I attracted. attention which is somewhat dangerous. when you're. young kind of always it could be. potentially dangerous but you know when. you're. young most kids just want to fly under. the radar have friends. I wasn't trying to get attention I just.

had a large. personality um I I've always laugh that. I consider myself uh now I'm fairly. attractive though it's going downhill as. I get older it's fine uh um but I have I. have an unattractive girl's personality. because that's who I really am that's. how I grew up I was never good-look I. wasn't a cute child I wasn't a. particularly good-look tween it wasn't. until I got you know later in high. school that I was like I need to work on. this. I can I can do better got to lose some.

weight I got to get to a dermatologist I. had a big space between my two front. teeth I'm like I got to get that fixed I. got to put some sun in in this hair and. I started teaching aerobics my brother. said I just casually one time he said. the girls with the best bodies all do. aerobics I was like that's what I'll. do so anyway I do think it was just if. you have a big personality you're. potentially a Target as a kid how did. did you I mean how would they bully.

you well I had some bullying when I was. in fourth grade that was unpleasant. before I left Syracuse but that's it was. sort of more normal bullying but it was. bad like I was at a girl's birthday. party and they all started flicking me. all of them I it's like kids can be so. mean and I remember calling my dad and. he came to get me early and when we. walked inside um I remember he looked at. my mom and my mom looked at him like how. is she kind of thing and my dad.

went gave her the thumbs. down but that's not I mean I remember it. here I am all these years later but it. was the seventh grade where things got. bad and. really if you could have seen me in. seventh grade Sean honestly like I I. don't I can't believe those girls picked. on me you know I had enough problems why. would they have picked on that version. of me but they did and I've never named. the ring leader but she knows who she.

is and um she just. turned every person in the school. against me she decided I was out I was. otherized and I went from having lots of. friends to having no friends for almost. a. year and seventh grade is a tough year. you know that's 12 you're very fragile. you know you're you don't really have. all the skills you need to deal with.

that kind of a. thing and on top of that it was at an. era at a time. when you know talking to my parents. about it was. Unthinkable you know we weren't talking. about. bullying or like going to guidance. counselors about it just wasn't a thing. yet so I was ashamed about it so I. didn't want anyone to know in my home. and so it was just a it was like a year. of torture in a way it was like an.

extended. torture what ended it I don't know they. just gave. up she just decided one day I I was. acceptable again what so I mean there's. a lot of kids that go through this today. especially with the cyber bullying and. and I mean. it's it's uh it's a it's a big problem. that a lot of kids are dealing with and. so. I'm curious if you have any advice for.

kids that are being bullied what could. you have done back then to end it or. yeah if I could talk to the 12-year-old. version of me I 100% would say tell your. parents you know they can help you and. it doesn't have to be you can establish. some parameters like you have to agree. not to call the girl's parents you know. something like that but your parents can. help and I as a parent would absolutely. interview If This Were happening to my.

child in whatever way I could because. while I do think you can learn a lot. from some bullying like some short. stints of bullying I think it actually. creates a more empathetic person right. you're less likely to bully I think if. it you know happens like that but if it. goes on and on and on it can cause real. damage I I still think it affects my. relationships really my friendships yeah. how so I'm not good at pursuing. friendship. like once I have a friend I'm a good.

friend. but it the all the friends I have. pursued. me interesting I just like I'm very wary. of like projection and getting I don't. know hurt getting yeah getting hurt I. wanted to ask to I I wanted I didn't. want to skip over the bulling when you. brought that up but I also wanted to ask. about advice for people that have lost a.

parent as a child and what advice would. you have for that because there are. there are a lot of kids that lose. parents and and me coming from a. military background there's I know a lot. of gold star kids and so every time I. get the opportunity to to talk to. somebody like you that it's been through. it I I just I have to ask well I think. number one lean into Faith you even if. you're not faithful that's a good time.

to start just go and sit there I used to. be so comforted just by sitting in the. church one of my frustrations when my. dad died was I couldn't drive I was only. 15 I just turned 15 a month earlier so I. really wasn't even close to driving and. um so I'd ride my bike to the church and. I'd sit there but I couldn't get to the. cemetery because it was too far away and. I really wanted to sit in by the. cemetery very badly I was just you know. you knew physically that's where he. was so I think young children need that.

Time to Say Goodbye it's not a one or. two day process at a wake and a funeral. you know there will be time of needing. to sit with God or by oneself maybe in a. place like a church with the candles and. the windows where you just feel it's. bigger than you or by the grave site and. I think as a parent I might ask like is. has something you want to do because I. wouldn't have suggested that to my mom. she could have driven me but I there was. no way I would have asked that because.

she was grieving and I wouldn't have. wanted to upset her MH but she would. have done it and I think that that's. maybe a parent could go to the kid and. say do you want that I can drop you off. I can pick you up I don't have to be. standing there for it um I guess I also. want to say this is sort of part. two this sounds weird but there is a. silver lining to it you know like cuz I. know my friend just lost his wife and he.

has two young boys she just died. suddenly last September and. um he was like C can you tell me what to. say to them like can you tell. me anything to make me feel better about. what just happened to. them and this is in that. category the biggest. gift to come out of losing my. dad was the fact that you understand. more morality and your limited time here. like no other you can't understand it.

the way someone who's lost a parent or a. loved one at an early age understands it. without going through that and so again. if you spend the time reflecting on what. it means what the the pain signifies to. you then you can arrive at the obvious. conclusion which is you must make. decisions in your life. like it's an.

emergency you know like you it's the old. no tomorrow as promised but you just. know it on a gut level so you can't. waste time you can't waste time in a. relationship that is unhappy in a job. that is unhappy in a you that is unhappy. you must take active steps always always. to improve your. situation and the longer you sit around. and think well I'll meet the right. person and I'll be happier or my boss. will finally recognize what a star I am.

and give me that great role or raise I. want and it doesn't. happen the more you get to the point. where you realize oh and and I have to. be the one to change it no one's coming. to save me it's just the MK show you. know I I've got I have to make the. changes I have to do it succeed or fail. it's right now so I wound up a happier. person I think at.

53 than I probably otherwise would have. been I think I probably would have been. much more complacent about my. happiness if I hadn't had that loss and. that's one gift my dad was able to give. me I think that's some of the best. advice I've ever heard in this room when. it comes to that and uh thank you um. we've had a lot of discussions about. loss and uh that. was that was top Notch I'm curious you. you had mentioned um leaning into your.

faith did you ever do you feel like your. father's ever visited you since he's. passed many. times many times any specific example. that sticks out I mean certainly right. after he was gone we had a lot of signs. from him right after we lost him I mean. they were really kind of stunning but. for me probably the biggest was when my. dad was little when I was little my dad. used to take us camping and we'd go to. this place on Lake Ontario and we'd rent.

these cabins you know low rent but so. fun I used to call the lawn chair for. sleeping overnight inside the house my. brother and sister like she's an idiot. great we've got the bed um and my dad. used to play his guitar for us around. the campfire all the time when we were. camping there so there are certain songs. that he used to sing to us that are you. know I will always associate with him in. those memories mostly by John Denver.

Neil Diamond you know that. era and one time I was living in Chicago. I was a young. lawyer it was I wasn't that young I was. like. 30. um I was learning how to play guitar not. well but I was. learning and I had a book of you know. Sheep music and I was really missing my. my dad you know at 30 I'd lost him for. 15 years but of course you think about.

him and some days you just really wish. you had your dad there and you could ask. him for. advice and. um I was just feeling blue and I turned. the page in this guitar book and there. was this song that he used to sing to us. all the time and uh I don't actually. know the name of it but it goes it takes. a worried worried man to sing a worried. song oh it takes a worried worried man. to sing a worried song and it goes from.

there and I was like oh my God and I. could play it I learned enough chords. that I could play it and I strummed that. guitar and I sang the song to myself and. I cried and I I knew he was there I knew. he brought me that. moment you know I don't purport to know. how it works but I know what happened. that day. I love hearing that um can I share.

something with you yeah I just had uh. something happened to me a couple weeks. ago I guess about a month ago now but um. I had uh it's Gabe again and uh who who. we had discussed you know y on your when. you interviewed me but so I I'm going to. try to get through this quick but. um I went to. Vienna and I interviewed this uh.

gentleman Ahmad massud who's the leader. of the Afghan resistance and um he uh. told me a bunch of stuff on the. interview that I get paranoid when I. start. doing these type of interviews on. covering corruption and and and do you. get paranoid about that at all no but. I'm not dealing with that kind of stuff. I mean you're in the thick of it yeah so. anyways there I mean there's I worry. about our own government I worried I.

mean he he is the third person I've. interviewed that said we're bringing. given $87 million a week to the Taliban. and um and and so we we we started a. whole movement here and um once the word. kind of got out all of my former. colleagues are all texting me do you. have protection do you do you have. security and so then I started getting. really paranoid because these are the.

guys that I used to work with at CIA and. special ops and yeah and so I got home. and uh I got. home came into work on June 28th. and when you walk in the front door down. there there's a big hockey jersey a. Panthers Wounded Warrior uh hockey. jersey and so when Gabe died Gabe died. of a heroin.

overdose and he had started this he kept. telling me he was he was junked out a. lot and he was he was telling me that he. wanted to start this this Wounded. Warriors Hockey team and he was going to. walk into the Panther stadium and find. who he needed to talk to and I was like. yeah right Gabe whatever okay I hope you. do well he did. it and. when they when they went to tell him.

that they were going to fund his team. that's when they found him uh in his. apartment so fast forward I I mentioned. that Gabe's a protector and and I was. really paranoid about this interview and. I was a little concerned for my team. and and it was kind of sinking in what. we had just done I come into the studio. here for the first time since we got. back. and that Jersey was on the ground and.

that Jersey I mean it's it probably. weighs 35 lbs it's a huge frame it's a. framed full-size hockey jersey and it. was just weird cuz it had been I've been. here for 3 years now and that frame has. been there for 3 years no crack in the. frame glass is fine no scuffs on it. everybody in the office was in Vienna. with me so it couldn't have been any of. them. uh other than my assistant who I asked.

and she didn't do it and so anyways the. day goes by and it's just in my head I'm. like why did that fall like what is Gabe. trying to tell me are you warning me. about something and so I stayed here. late that night everybody was out of. here everybody was out of both buildings. uh that are here in my it was just me in. the parking lot at the end of the day. and I'm Hing around kind of having a. conversation with Gabe in my head.

just what are you trying to tell me here. and I couldn't figure it. out and I went home and I told my wife. Katie about it so this the weirdest. thing gab's Jersey fell off the. wall it's been there for 3 years and. she's like the the Florida Panthers. Wounded Warrior hockey team jersey and I. said yeah that's the one and she goes.

Sean the Panthers just won the Stanley. Cup oh wow and I was like holy [ __ ]. and I was like today's June 28th that's. the anniversary of operation Red Wings. those rounds that I just showed you up. there I found it on June 28th and to me. I I totally broke down and uh a happy. break down but it it was I could hear. his voice up there going I'm not trying.

to warn you about anything Sean I'm. trying to celebrate the [ __ ] Panther. just want to Stanley Cup and uh but to. me I. mean I wanted to tell that to you after. our discussion about faith and and that. kind of stuff that we had on your show. but to me that's like proof that's it's. too many coincidences in one incident to. be anything else and and people are. always searching for you know is there.

does Consciousness continue is there. life after death and to me you know it's. it's it's like. [Music]. a a supercharge in your faith to. know he's got me yeah. somebody's I I feel like there's no. avoiding it there's just no avoiding it. it's just too present these reminders if. you just pay a modum of attention you'll. see it I I don't know how one couldn't.

see it you know there's only so many. things you can write off as oh that's a. coincidence oh that means nothing it's. like I I've in my life I just had way. too many for me to ever be convinced. it's not him it's not an. otherworldly Force trying to communicate. something to me and I also think it's. just so there's so much hubris behind. the notion that Bo up it's over it's. done how do you know we don't we're so. fragile and we know almost nothing I.

love these big swinging right guys who. are like and GS like no it's just a no. okay I mean who the hell knows we need. to be humble enough to know that I'll. tell you something another good one not. in my case but my dear friends Allison. and Tom barklage lost their boy Blake at. age 17 I did a story on it um in October. of. 21 he died suddenly of.

myocarditis and um they don't know if it. I know people are going to say it was a. v they don't know he had been vaccinated. but he definitely had myocarditis um and. two greater people you'd never. meet well one of the things that they. told me was Blake really wanted to go to. Clemson and the dad said I don't know. Blake you know I'm not sure because he's. like I I'm going to get into Clemson and. I'm going to get a scholarship from. Clemson so we can afford it and Tom was. like if you get a scholarship you can.

go after Blake. died they called all the colleges to. which Blake had applied and said you. know he died don't don't give him a spot. like give it to some kid who's applying. but something happened to Clemson and. Tom came home one day and there was the. big. envelope and it said not only is he. admitted. oh here's a scholarship for him. so Tom and Allison just you know.

completely blown away by it and when we. aired this piece of the story somebody. from Clemson was watching so this guy at. Clemson high up in the administration. contacted. Tom and they started talking they became. friends Tom invited him to this Memorial. Golf Tournament he has in Blake's honor. every year Blake love. golf and I went this year I don't golf. but I went for them and I met this guy. from Clemson and that day the guy had.

been on the golf course and he gets to a. one of the holes and he he said he or. the person with him I can't remember one. of them said Blake give us some help you. know it hasn't been a great day we we. need something and this guy who's not a. very good golfer hit the only hole in. one of his life and it happened to be on. the whole where if you manage to hit a. hole in one which nobody does you get a.

BMW oh man so the epilogue to the story. is that Blakes Memorial Tom barklage. stands up there and he says um he tells. the story and everybody's like this is. unbelievable and Tom says and I just. want you to know that um the one thing I. always knew about Blake was that he. really wanted me to have a. BMW Tom said to the guy wow anyway the. guy got to keep his BMW but it's such a. great. I just don't believe for a second that.

that none of those things are. connected it's l like every time I hear. this stuff it's like a restoration of. faith and and you know cuz I don't know. about you but mine it goes up and down. you know and and it seems. like as long as you are open and pay. attention you know and not too wrapped. up in your own [ __ ] all the signs. they seem to be there. at least at least for me they just keep. coming and coming and coming and and you.

know another thing is. um that was another that was a low Point. like the last one that I just told you. about was a low point for me and and uh. maybe not a low point but a lull and. like I just wasn't really into. the faith stuff it was starting to doubt. again we had had a we had had a study at. my house and somebody we were talking. about life after death and somebody had. said yeah well you know it's probably.

like before you were born and I thought. about that and then that started. creeping back in my head. about well [ __ ] what if the lights just. go out and that's it and then that. happened but that's somewhat comforting. to me like I think about when you when. you have your. babies I just think you can tell your. babies are still closer to the other. side there's something just truly. magical about them there's like a. knowing there's a there's a beauty. there's a specialness it's not just. because they're babies I just think that.

you can tell they were they're closer to. the other side. still so I that statement doesn't imply. that that's a bad place to be you know. prior to you being born it's just not a. conscious knowledge of every day-to-day. activity here that's a good point I'm. okay with that that's a good. point well moving on when did uh. becoming an. attorney sound appealing to you very.

quickly you know I like suddenly as what. I mean I wasn't planning on being an. attorney I went to Syracuse thinking I. would be a journalist because I had. taken a high school aptitude test that. said I should be that I should be a. journalist and my guidance counselor. wrote me a recommendation my only. recommendation for college it was so. pathetic and he wrote she says she wants. to be a political journalist which I. actually did even remember and then he. actually wrote in the.

thing Meg's very strong in English and. social studies math and science aren't. her. thing who writes that in a college. recommendation it was the 80s it was a. different time uh so I went to Syracuse. thinking I would be a journalist though. I didn't get into new house which is the. very strong journalism school but I got. got into the political science school. and before I knew it I started thinking.

about political science and government. and maybe there would be a role for me. and uh I said well I think I'd really. I'd like to be a. DA and somebody said well then you got. to go to law school I'm like oh I guess. I'm going to have to start focusing on. my grades then and I did I focused on my. grades I kept a good GPA and uh I wound. up going to Albany law school which is. my. hometown and I had a great education. there I loved Albany law school a. lot and then you know one thing led to.

another I never did prosecute cases. though so you wanted to be a journalist. before an attorney and then wound up. being a journalist yeah what what was. the draw to. journalism it was exciting I always. liked breaking news you know like I see. it in my kids here and there you like. when Trump got shot I was sitting in my. living room and my little Thatcher who. was 10 said Trump got shot I'm like what. I thought he was messing with me and he.

goes he got shot in the ear but he's. okay what of course I get I run over to. my phone and sure enough he was exactly. right and uh then I see him updating the. whole family on the family text change. Trump was shot today took a bullet in. the ear appears to be okay everyone and. I like anyway I think some kids just. have a an affinity for being the one to. break the news and I had it and I did a. little like two-day internship with the.

Albany Times Union when I was sophomore. in high school and I loved that I loved. being on the phone next to the reporter. who was on the phone calling his sources. and getting the story then I watched All. the President's Men which is full of. inspo and uh that's kind of how that. ball got rolling and then I got. sidetracked with the law thing I mean I. never thought that I could go to law. school and be a lawyer I just wasn't.

thinking about myself in those terms I. like Megan Kelly Esquire sounded so. important and I just had never even. considered a life that looked like that. you know I just thought I'd be more of a. grizzled Sho leather. reporter on the beat in the field. breaking news and then I just became. quite dazzled by the notion of being a. respectable attorney who people would.

have to take seriously because I had. Esquire after my. name this is the way I was thinking back. then before I knew it I had done it so. were you outgoing before were you. outgoing before you got into that yeah I. was I was outgoing sure okay I I I. wouldn't consider myself an extrovert. but I'm outgoing you know I'm not one of. those people who gets totally energized. by being in front of a big crowd mhm. like Rush limbo I saw him many times I. was kind of friends with him and you'd.

put him in front of a crowd and man he. would come. alive you know the chest would Puff out. and the voice would start to boom and. the pupils would Dazzle it was just you. could see. it I'm not like that I can do it but I. don't know have the that's I think what. a true natural extrovert extrovert is. but outgoing yes I'm easy. conversationalist and have to interact. with.

others so you became so did you you. never did become a DA never became a DA. basically racked up $100,000 worth of. debt and realized I was going to have I. make 30 grand a year with 100,000 I. would have been below the federal. poverty level and I was like I've had 25. years of being poor I I don't wish to be. poor any longer I would like to make. some money and the thought of making. money was so delightful I can't tell you. it's like I remember the prospect of.

earning like a real paycheck because I. was going to either make 30 grand a year. going with that I wanted to work in the. Manhattan DA's office and you had to. live in the burrow in which you. prosecuted so 30 grand a year in. Manhattan or I was. getting job offers and interest from. firms that were offering me $85,000 a. year to start as like a young whipper. snapper and I did the math you know. doing what my rent would be and what the. cable would be and then I remember.

seeing I was going to have like ,000. $900 left over a month and I was like oh. my god I've got to do I would have $900. a month to spend or save or whatever it. seemed like the greatest fortune and I. realized that still is a fortune for a. lot of people but I remember the feeling. of when it was a fortune for me and I. happily shed the dreams of being a DA. and went to Big law.

wow when did they when did you get into. journalism then so I practiced law for. about a decade and a decade yeah wow. just over nine years okay yeah um so I. started I graduated law school when I. was 25 and I left the law when I was. 34 so nine nine and change did you Excel. was an attorney I think so yeah I was at. one of the best law firms in the world.

and uh Jones day and they I was on the. partnership track they were telling me I. was going to make partner if I stayed. one more year I tried tons of cases with. these great Partners there and was. arguing in front of federal appell at. courts across the country which is you. know that's a level below the Supreme. Court I was taking depositions all the. time I was arguing I was on my feet. making arguments and motion practice and. doing mini trials and TR and I loved it.

for a long. time but the problem with my out. hustled is you can burn out if you don't. put some self- nurturing in there mhm. and uh the law they say is a jealous. mistress and my mistress was very. demanding you know she did not want me. to be with anybody but her and I just. had so many vacations where I had to. work the entire time. never took a weekend. never I miss funerals I miss.

weddings I don't regret it because in. the same way I don't regret the hours I. put in especially early on in my career. as a journalist it all got me to where I. am you. know the people who didn't do as well as. I did in the law or in journalism didn't. put in that time for the most part maybe. some didn't I just don't know about them. but the people I looked around they. weren't willing to make those kinds of. sacrifices I think soldiers can probably.

understand this right it's like some. will go the extra mile every time no. matter what and probably some won't not. everyone's going to be a Navy. SEAL um so I burnt out and there was an. aha moment when I was considering about. whether I was going to take this. partnership. because they don't give them out to. everybody and if I took it it would be. at the expense of somebody else and I I. already knew I was feeling. unhappy looked around everybody there.

was an older guy with like an ex-wife or. two and several kids in private school. and they were handcuffed to the place. and I just thought I can do something. else with my life I can do something. that I find. exciting you know the line I wrote in my. journal was I am more interesting than. this. I am more interested than. this and I resolv to change my.

life we I mean how old are you at this. point I was 32 when I had that aha. moment so you're ready to totally. reinvent yourself at 32 yes was there. any. fear there was a little fear of not. getting the partnership I just kind of. thought it wouldn't it be better to stay. and get the partnership than run around. the world saying I made partner at Jones. Day which is not easy and um in the end.

I just thought it was going to be an. unfair thing to do to my colleagues you. know sort of taking it at the expense of. somebody else and my firm which I loved. and I you know I still have close. relationships with some of the people. there I just thought what what kind of a. way is that to leave you know you take. the feather just so you can put it in. your cap and then you ride off into the. sunset and screw them over. so yeah that was the only scary piece. not to get like that Brass Ring that. I've been working so because when you're. in I know to the outside world they're.

like who gives a [ __ ] we we don't care. whether you were partner or not but when. you're working for it it seems like. everything so anyway but then there was. the big question of what to do now what. oh you didn't even know what you were. going to do no no I was like. well I used to be a telemarketer I could. go back to that um I don't know I really. didn't know what to do but once again. the guitar and the.

music spoke to me uh I was living in. Chicago and I was taking a guitar class. and it just so happened that a gal in my. class was a journalist she was a. producer for the NBC o and O out in. Chicago um and I only knew that because. the space shuttle Columbia blew up and. she missed guitar like where we never. talked about our jobs I said but where. were you she said I'm a journalist and. uh I said oh you know what can I buy you. a cup of coffee and she said that sounds.

like someone who's interested in a. career change and I I said. maybe so we went out we started talking. about it the more I talked about it the. more she she gave me hope and I'm like I. felt old then I'm like I'm. 32 kind of long in the tooth and this is. kind of old to start a new career. especially one on camera you know she. was like you're all wrong you're wrong. wrong wrong you can totally start and I.

will help you which is so amazing this. meridith is her name like for her to. help me a woman helping another woman. break into news like bending over. backwards to make it happen like that. doesn't happen a lot Sean I can imagine. so she helped me she helped me get it's. called a resume tape and uh before I. knew I was cold calling news directors. and I had a job wow do you keep in touch. with her she she contacted me after I. wrote my book and I wrote all about her. and uh we had a great come to Jesus.

moment and by the way something else. happened because my book I wrote about. the one girl who befriended me during my. seventh grade bully year Heather. Shephard God bless her and she and I. reconnected after my book and we still. text oh that's cool yeah that's very. cool wow so so where did you wind up. well so um I convinced this guy named. Bill Lord who's the news director in. Washington DC at the Abc affiliate to.

put me on the air one day a week on tape. while I was still working at Jones Day. and I said basically once he agreed to. take the meeting which was really the. like that's the big thing like just get. a yes to the meeting I knew I could talk. my way into the job I was like if I suck. you don't have to air it I'm going to. work for you for free my law jobs p. paying my bills like let me work for you. for free I can do a lot of stuff for you. legally this is before the day of the.

big legal analyst everywhere we weren't. really doing that back then but I was. like I can cover the Supreme Court you. know I can I've had arguments all over. federal courts of appeals I know a lot. of legal stuff and how to find cases and. interesting stories so just let me shoot. a story put it on tape and if you don't. like you don't have to Air and they had. a sister cable station that was local. and not as prestigious as the ABC. affiliate like or you could just air it. a new Channel 8 with all du respect to. News Channel. 8 so he said yes and so he gave me one.

day a week he did pay me like couple. hundred dollars for the one day and uh I. loved it really loved it it was truly. one of those shoot it in my. veins it was so great what was it what. was it everything all of it it was. exciting it was exactly the thing that I. kind of felt back in sophomore year of. high school you know it was like chasing.

a story and calling sources and figuring. out what's true and then crafting a. beautiful script where you can edit it. and make the words just the way you want. them which I always enjoyed as a lawyer. too you know we always used to say if I. had a longer time I would have written a. shorter brief and in journalism you have. to write the shortest of briefs you've. got you know two minutes at most on the. Evening News to deliver your story and. your script that you work on all day. tighter tighter tighter get a better. sound bite even better than that upgrade. get a better video element you better.

sound how are we going to open it how do. we ease them in what's the moment where. we emotionally connect with the audience. what did you make them feel is it. balanced did you offer the rest of the. story are you biased are you taking them. too much this way you know I loved all. of that wow and then like it was all of. us so exciting and you're like okay I'm. going to go on camera I'm going to do. this and then instead of being being. like I nailed it you're.

like I'm so much worse than I thought I. was you know like I thought it was going. to be so much better than this you just. it's not something you could be great at. until you've done it a lot so in the. beginning you just have to hold on to. the promise of it being great in the in. the final product and be humble as you. row do you remember what your first. brief was. first brief as a lawyer or first story. as a story um the very first story I had.

was I was supposed to work on a Friday. that was my one day and hurricane. um H what was her name Irene I think it. was I can't Irene was a bad one it was. another one anyway it was a hurricane. that was coming through. Virginia and I called Bill Lord and I. said well you don't you don't need me. right because I do like legal stuff and. my first day and uh this is like a. hurricane so and he said uh if you don't. already have rain rain pants rain boots. a rain Slicker and a rain hat you better. get them and I'll see you tonight at 5 I.

was like oh my God so I went and it was. crazy it was like a scene out of. Broadcast News I went into the control. room and I I already have a potty mouth. I just got I got it honestly my nana. swore like a sailor and all the lawyers. I'd work with sore like Sailors so I'm. sitting in The Newsroom control room. and it's breaking news so they've got. reporters everywhere covering the damage. of the hurricane and the blowing winds.

there's this guy named Eric Hong who was. freelancing and they were like get to. Eric get to Eric and they'd say like. Eric we're coming to you and you could. see him getting ready you know he's. getting ready and somebody else made a. different decision like no not Eric move. on whatever and no back to Eric Eric. we're coming we're coming and he'd get. ready get ready no forget it and then. the one guy goes the executive producer. I later found out goes Eric you're dead. WJ [ __ ]. you I was like what's what's.

happening wow but I loved it it was so. fun it was Dynamic and kind of sexy and. exciting. fastpaced No Holds Barred no you know. how like when you have to criticize. somebody today the corporate managers. will tell you you have to say. like you're dressing particularly well. you've have a perfect record of. attendance every one loves what a. positive attitude you have your briefs. suck we really enjoy the way you clean.

up the coffee room after you leave right. you have to like fold it in there m news. is the opposite of that right they. [ __ ] you move on like that's how it's. still is no kidding no we my team and I. joke all the time that there's no time. for Flowery fluffy stuff it's like we. finished a show and if we didn't do a. good job I will say to the team that. show sucked that we didn't have the. facts we didn't have the sound bite we.

embarrassed ourselves that was not up to. par it's not what the audience expects. and they're like yeah and then we do. better the next day and then I was like. that that one was Perfection like nobody. cares they're not nobody's like she's. abusive they're like God she's right. we're going to be better tomorrow but I. love that piece of news I couldn't do it. any other way yeah. yeah what uh so I mean you're career. sounds like it took off very rapidly and. so how long did you spend at the local.

station part-time for a year N9 months. when did they start paying you finally. well I was getting my 200 bucks a day. for that those Fridays I was doing and. then he offered me a second day which. would mean I had to go part-time at. Jones Day no he offered me a second day. and then he offered me a third day which. would mean I'd have to go part-time so. that was a big moment cuz I was like. really taking a step away from my law.

job and um I wanted to do it. and I seriously considered like whether. this is the place for me like if if I'm. good enough to do this anyway long story. short I went part-time with them and. then they offered me a full-time job and. that meant leaving the law altogether. how did that feel great I was fine I. Jones day was so good to me this guy Tim. Colin who ran the general litigation. Group which I was in when I first went. part-time he said I'm scared because.

this feels like a trial separation and. those usually lead to divorce and so. when I left he said I knew it and uh but. they said go with God we'd love you they. said if you ever want to come back come. back you know I still have lots of. friends there who are far lefties Jones. day is actually pretty fair and balanced. on his politics but my one favorite. partner there one of them. um he's a Farley and he's constantly. harassing me on Twitter in like a funny. way but I love that I love that I have.

that history with these guys yeah you. know we were in the trenches together my. trenches not the real ones like you've. been in and the war like lawyers tell. War Stories so great like those are I. look back on those days fondly now that. they're in the past yeah yeah when did. you how did Fox come up out well so when. WJ offered me a full-time position. position I thought well you know if I'm. good enough to be full-time here maybe. I'm good enough to be full-time.

someplace better than here because while. I'm very green as a reporter I have 10. years of legal experience under my belt. and that counts for something it's not. totally. irrelevant and so I had met this guy. Bill salmon who was a Fox News. contributor at the radio and television. Correspondence Dinner the one that they. show on Broadcast News you know where. they go and William her's character says. it's incredible who's here and she says. who and he says. me that was me when I went like and I. met this guy and he said have you.

considered getting your tape to. Fox and I said to him at the time I I'm. too green for Fox I'm not ready and he. said not necessarily and he said if. you're if you're too green Kim Hume who. runs the DC Bureau will tell you you're. too green but you have a shot so I sent. them I sent him my resume tape from my 9. months at the Abc affiliate and uh he. agreed to put it on Kim's desk like he. guaranteed he would get her eyeballs on. it and uh she later had me in I met with.

her Brit Hume came by her husband who is. the um can't remember his title but he. was kind of he was managing editor and. she was DC bureau chief and they held. their cards so close to the vest on the. interview of three hours they did not. let on at all how this was going and I. later found out that when I left they. high-fived each other no kidding yeah. and they they got me right up to see. Roger ales and he hired me wow but you.

you applied did you apply to several. places it sounds like CNN no I I was. willing to I mean I wasn't in any way. thinking Fox is rightwing and it really. wasn't known that much that way back. then this is. 2004 Fox is known as more to the right. but like MSNBC hadn't lost its mind this. is back in the days when it was still. kind of normal so I was totally open to. working there or CNN but I only had the. one connection which was Bill salmon who.

was a contributor at Fox so that's where. I sent my tape and I was sitting in the. interview up in als's office actually. with his number two and the guy was like. everyone wants to work here now that. we're number one and I remember be like. holy [ __ ] they're number. one I'm never going to get this. job but I did then off to the races wow. I mean that had to be that had to be. very surreal for you to be at the number. one news station at the time I loved.

everything about it I loved seeing Bill. O'Reilly walk through the Halls like. this you know. amazing huge Cable News host number one. in all of cable news cocky but like in a. cool way I just had stars in my eyes for. him Brit Hume who was serious and you. know he took me under his wing and. taught me how to be a serious reporter. and used to say to me you know what I. like about you you're not a silly girl.

there's a lot of silly girls running. around Fox News you're not one of. them and it's just it was so fun it was. so these characters were just so. colorful you know I like how is this. happening um I'll tell you a story that. I've never told publicly and I can't. name the names but I was at one big. event and let's just say the person next. to me on the set I'll say this the. person's no longer there um had like.

porn up on the on the laptop was like. talking about it it was I do not think. this was harassment I'm not saying it. was funny I was like this is an. unbelievable place to. work nobody did this at the law job wow. sounds like the SEAL. [Applause]. Teams so what was Bill O'Reilly like but. without the muscle. um Bill O'Reilly was great I loved bill. for every year I work there except for.

the last. one um he took such good care of me like. he was so good to me he gave. me the most amazing opportunities you. know he he had to take a hit from me one. day when I was at the Supreme Court. covering the Anna Nicole Smith case that. went there do you remember that yeah I. do she showed up herself and she lost. all this weight she looked even more. stunning than normal. and everybody was. like well I had never been so popular.

cuz that was my story that day I must. have done a 100 hits from the steps of. the Supreme Court Tokyo everybody wanted. me and uh O'Reilly took me and I found. out after that hit he was like we need. her you know she's going to be a star he. said something like that so he offered. me to come back because we sparred that. night even though I was Green he was. saying she doesn't deserve any money. she's a gold digger and I said she is a.

gold digger but he was happy to have the. gold Doug he was totally on board with. this gig and his estate should have to. pay they had a deal and we had an. argument about how much money it takes. to be Anna Nicole Smith explaining to. him and it was funny so it was a great. hit you know cuz we were laughing and it. was substantive but we were also. fighting and there was a good chemistry. and then he kept having me on on and on. and then he started building legal. segments around me and then I would go. on twice a week blah blah.

blah and then I think he probably helped. pave my way into the prime time you know. it was Roger's decision but seeing me on. the prime time and you know they check. the number so they can see it you're. going up with the audience convinced. Roger it was a good. move and then things changed and it was. just so disappointing you know once I. once he saw me as more as. competition kind of became a douchebag. and it went downhill from there so kind. of separate my experience out from like. all those great years and then that last.

shitty year thereafter how does the I. mean what is the competitiveness is it. All About Numbers yeah but it shouldn't. have been he should have just been. taking credit for me he should have been. like you're welcome Kelly you know I. didn't understand why he couldn't just. be proud of me you know he helped me. when I was totally unknown. uh he helped me build a name and a. reputation he gave me credibility by. putting me on a show treating me like an.

authority arguing with me showing the. audience he liked me and I was very. grateful to him for that and made that. very clear behind the scenes and. publicly but once my show started to. surpass his never in the overall he. always beat me in the overall like the. older viewers but in the key demo of 25. to 54 year olds which is what they base. them advertising money on. he got very competitive you know. everyone in cable is competitive but. like he just.

couldn't Square it what does that mean. competitive is that he started doing. like subterfuge around my show to block. my guests and kind of interfere with our. editorial. and we shared an agent and there some. nasty things happened there it was just. I was so disappointed because I really. felt like I was losing a mentor and and. a friend and we always you know part of. it was probably born of the fact that we. had no competition on Ms or CNN we just.

crush them in every way this is Fox News. is Heyday you know this was the hey day. for sure by any measure of fox no one. was even close to us we were having 10. times the ratings of our competitors so. internally we would look at each other's. numbers right because that's what's. interesting anyway look then things got. weird after the whole Roger Al's falling. sexual harassment things between me and. Bill but it's a weird thing like I see. him on TV he goes on news Nation.

sometimes and he's just so talented. still he looks older his voice is a. little bit more frail but he's so. talented he's very smart he's an amazing. communicator and I just I still feel sad. to this day that you know things. ended the way they did there was a lot. other crap but no no no we we're not. friends. yeah yeah well what can what is the I. mean what was.

the what would you say the culture was. like there at the beginning during the. hey. day uh I mean probably pretty harassing. really yeah for sure that's that's got. to be part of the memory. but I just I mean professionally what I. remember is excitement drive. scrappiness you know it was like we go. to cover a story I went to cover the. Virginia Tech Tech shooting you know. still the worst on campus shooting that. we've seen and.

um. CNN they they had four Bookers or. producers for every one that we had they. were crushing the field with staff and. we had almost nothing but we were. killing them in the ratings and it you. just drive them nuts and I remember. talking to Heraldo on a grassy n as we. were sitting there in between hits and. I'm like my God we're getting our asses. kicked but in the bookings they were.

getting the biggest bookings the best. guests and we weren't and Heraldo goes. people don't watch because of the guests. they watch because of the. hosts and I was like that's kind of. funny coming from Herald of course he. thinks that right but he wasn't wrong. like on Fox I think they watch because. it's Fox and they know what they're. going to get MH but they also develop a. real relationship with the talent and. even in my current Lane and yours too.

your audience develops a relationship. with you and if you're going to bring. somebody on they're kind of trusting you. to. have a a kind of taste that resonates. with them so he wasn't all wrong anyway. I remember just scrappiness and uh. shoestring budgets even though we were. Rich we didn't act like we were you know. Roger and rert had tons of money and I. remember um saying to Kim Hume I I found.

some of the story writing and production. frustrating because I was coming off of. my time at Jones Day where you know. somebody once explained to me Kelly my. old boss said you know we're American. Airlines first class you know we give. the real silverware with the cloth. napkin and the warmed up nuts like. that's the kind of service that we're. providing here and I said it's just. frustrating to want that level. of product of production and not be able.

to give it cuz time is crunched we don't. have the resources and she said we're. Southwest. Airlines so that I but it was it was a. good thing it kept us it kept us a. little chip on the shoulder edgy. Scrappy like let's fight let's go you. know bunker mentality we were always. under attack but it brought us closer. together. you know we were a team we were part of. the same fraternity good. camaraderie mostly mostly yeah there.

were a couple who are you know but very. competitive yeah but mostly very very. good camaraderie so are all journalists. competitive with each other. or or was it just. bill um yeah I I face some more of that. when I hit the prime time for sure from. the other Prime Time hosts but never. before that before that I only had. really one person who shall remain. nameless who felt very threatened by me. and behaved badly but uh for the most.

part people were really cool do you get. competitive not like that I'm a weird. person where like some people think that. I'm GNA play like Jin Romy with them and. I'm going to be like I crushed you you. know like Monica from cheers or. friends I'm not like that I I'm not. competitive like I have to be number one. in the podcast space I'm more like. the show needs to be better you know. like we have to do a better job this. wasn't our best work product like I'm.

frustrated you didn't cut that sound. bite right I said I wanted it like this. but you did this instead and then it. didn't flow in the argument I was making. and then when I went to call for the. follow-up sound bite it made no sense. you know like like that's I guess I'm. closer to like a perfectionist than I am. competitive but in my business that. breeds. success so so. you actually have control of how they. cut your segments and all of that stuff.

yeah over there well I did it Fox to. some extent I had almost none at NBC and. now I have entire control on my show is. it still like. that yeah yes I. mean on NBC you are just a presenter. you're a news reader you don't do it the. producers do everything which is one of. the reasons why it didn't work out for. me uh one of the many. on Fox you do most of it yourself they. they don't have the staff they're like.

you know the reporters write the scripts. The Producers do packets for their for. their anchors and then the anchors have. to read the packets know the news and. ask the questions themselves on NBC they. give you the questions that the. producers write the questions and then. you're supposed to just read them like. an actress wow yeah wow like that's. literally my job why would I read your. questions is that most news stations. broadcast yeah pretty much all of them I. think so yeah I mean when I went over to.

the view as a guest and I went there a. few. times not only were the producers. writing the questions for the hosts like. those women just sit there with their. cards and they read the questions off of. their cards they give you the questions. as the guest in advance so you know. everything is coming your way I'm like. okay they're still purporting to be a. journalistic operation so there are you. serious yeah so there's nothing that's. off the cuff. real no actual opinions they're just.

they're just told I'm sure there are. moments of spontan but everything is. very carefully choreographed it's all. written down on their little blue cards. wow I mean I don't even know why I'm. acting surprised because it does seem. like that yeah but um so were you did. you lean conservative before. Fox not really I was you know I've voted. I think in. um was it eight presidential elections. and I voted for four Democrats and four. Republicans I'm pretty down the middle.

now I'm more conservative because the. whole world has shifted you know my. Normie views are apparently now far. right like yeah men can't become women. like we should have a border you know. little things like that but I never. considered myself and I still don't. ideological you know I'm I have my. ethical Compass I know what's right and. wrong and um I don't like team jerseys. I've been a registered independent for.

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more as we grow you can gain access for. just $15 a month exclusively at. vigilance Elite. patreon I don't blame you yeah I don't. blame you at. all. so at. Fox I mean your career sounds like it. just want went almost straight up who. who would you say some of your biggest.

competitors would have. been I never saw any competition on CNN. or MSNBC The the bosses over there. continued to try to hire me and lure me. away every contract renewal because you. know they weren't getting anywhere and. our ratings were always huge huge mine. and foxes um and at Fox I just didn't. look around at my colleagues like that. you know I never considered it a zero. sum game Roger told me early on other. people will try to imitate you or try to.

get your look or get your delivery or. whatever and you never have to worry. about that there's only one you you just. worry about being you and things will. work out and that was really good advice. I didn't look around at the other. players on the field and worry about any. of them I just thought if I can do the. best job I'm capable of I'll get to. where I want to go and those were always. baby steps like. when I was a reporter I thought well it'. be great to get bigger assignments and. then when I got bigger assignments I was.

like well I'd love a chance at anchoring. and then it's like what if I could be a. full-time anchor and then it's like what. if I could have my own show and then. it's well what if I could have instead. of co-anchor show my own show just me. and then it was like What if I could. move up to Prime Time and um all those. things happened and then I kind of got. to the place where I was like it all. happened and the paycheck's bigger than. it's ever been. and I'm enjoying it less than. ever um things have changed so.

dramatically in year 13 versus year one. that now I'm I guess I'm rich. okay um I've come to learn a lot of. Secrets of this place that I never. wanted to. know I'm having way too much exposure to. the Executive. Suite people who used to be rooting for. me now find me threatening you know just. that's what comes with money and power. and this isn't as great as I thought it. was going to be and then you know most. of the guys around me were like what are.

you talking about it's like you're. you're powerful and you've got this. dough like it's meaningless to me I. don't care really I just don't care I I. tomorrow could basically go back to Mud. pies in the backyard if I had to that's. just who I am that's why I was saying. earlier that was an important way to. grow up I think if you need the. trappings of big money in journalism. you become a shitty journalist Don. Lemon you you take yourself too. seriously you need access to these Elite.

circles you want to see yourself at. dinner tables with stars you want to go. to the fancy award shows and I dipped a. toe into that world just to see what it. was like when I got these invitations. and it was horrible why because it's. insufferable to be around those people. and to have to make conversation with. them I can't talk to those people I. don't I don't know how to live in that. world I feel the way probably most of. your audience feels like they would feel. where you're like I've got nothing to. say to this bride I don't even know how.

to talk to insert name of aess. celebrity unless they want to talk about. the stuff that I like like politics and. the world and real. people yeah what do we I don't even know. how to respond like I Doug and I would. always find the accountant who helped. organize the event and wind up talking. to him you know. like the geeky lawyer who got invited. just as a. favor that's where we go yeah I can.

relate to that right yep um wow that's. interesting you know when you were talk. just a second ago you were talking about. how Roger told you people are going to. try to to copy what you're doing to. steal your. style I I I struggle with that now I I. see it starting to happen and. um when is the first time you noticed. somebody trying to imitate what you were. doing um I don't know I guess I I've.

seen it here and there but I don't. really pay attention to it that didn't. bother you no no I believed what he said. and I knew what he said was true when he. said it that's true only one person has. my combination of attributes good bad or. ugly they're mine you can't imitate them. it's you know look at Josh Shapiro this. governor of Pennsylvania have you heard. him talk no he is a wannabe Obama he.

tries to talk just like. Obama. tomorrow it's so obvious I'm embarrassed. for him I have secondhand embarrassment. there's only one Barack Obama and it. ain't you Josh Shapiro find your own. style so no I never felt like oh she's. coming for me you know I just kind of. felt like how would they try to imitate. you I mean a lot of people would get.

exactly the same haircut I had or start. wearing exactly the same clothes I had. move over to the same agents I had start. getting you know whatever go to all the. same people I went to for like clothes. and just sort of leg trying to be you. yeah it's just like same network how. that work out other networks oh both. both. yeah I when I was in college I dated. this guy who was great guy and he was.

the captain of the lacrosse team that. won three national championships at. Syracuse and he you know a division one. NCAA champion and he used to say Meg you. go to these lacrosse games you can. always tell which team is going to win. because one team is practicing their. drills and throwing the balls around and. the other team's looking at that. team you know it's just a good reminder. don't don't be that second. team and I don't even think it's a good. competitive practice like you're keeping. an eye on your competition no that's not.

the key to winning the key to Winning is. to keep an eye on your [ __ ] and just. keep tweaking it keep making it better. keep raising the bar for excellence. there's always room for improvement we. never achieve Perfection but it's fun to. try I'm going to take that advice. personally you should thank you and plus. like who who would have the connection. that you have with your audience Sean. it's like they fall in love with you. because of you you know one of these.

imitators might get an invitation on to. the Megan Kelly show one day and I'll. have a very nice interview and they'll. be very nice and I'll say that worked. goodbye and they'll be utterly. forgettable like only you have this. there's something special about you and. I I mean that to you in particular like. there's something special about you very. few people have a like this combination. of soulfulness and smarts and depth and. humor and. introspection but ability to have.

conversations about light things and. real things it's just it's it works and. you don't need to worry about that other. team well thank you I really appreciate. that that means a. lot how did you meet your. husband we were set up really so I was a. young Cub reporter at Fox and he was. running. his own business he had started a. company from New York but it was based. in Florida and we were set up on what.

was a blind date for me not so much for. him that's kind of a great story because. this woman who did PR work for his firm. sent me an email saying Megan I have no. idea what your situation is but I know. this great. guy uh she gave me his resume you know. like he went to Duke he went to. Georgetown for his NBA he sounded smart. he's greatl looking. and uh we all love this guy super nice. guy and I had just gotten out of my. first. marriage and I almost deleted the email.

I literally had the finger on the delete. button and um the last second I. something made me hit save instead. instead wait a minute so a random. publicist just what saw you on the air I. guess she got my email I think she' done. some work for fox and was like oh this. this woman would be perfect for my boss. she was traveling with him on an. airplane and they saw me pop up doing a. report on Duke lacrosse and that fake.

rape C case and they got to talking. about that story because Doug went to. Duke and me and she you know I guess he. must have said some favorable things and. so she shot me an email like you know he. expressed interest I guess and it was. it's just so crazy because if you like. Doug came into my life when he was 34. years old he did have that night nice. resume he was running a company he came. came from a very nice Philadelphia. family not not snoody just like what I.

mean a nice nice family. um and he'd never been married it was. just he's very goodlooking I think I can. the audience will Google Doug brunt you. will see I'm not just being a proud wife. he's really a greatl looking guy and I. was like he's gay he's a serial killer. he has a secret wife that's. obvious every lady knows that doesn't. just come to you after your divorce when.

you're 34 35 years old it doesn't happen. so I was like I guess I can give it a. try until I find the bodies buried in. the basement but it'll you know we'll. have a good run till then and so we went. on our first date I brought a friend who. hid in the bar like she was down at the. end of the bar making sure he wasn't a. freak. stalker and um he wasn't a freak stalker. he's he's kind kind of nerdy actually in. a really sweet way and we hit it off. instantly how long did it take for you.

guys to get. engaged he moved fast uh we started. dating in July of 06 is that right yes. and he proposed to me in September of '. 07 how did he propose he took me to the. end of the dock in the Jersey town where. he grew up going in the Summers and he. took off his sunglasses we were sitting. on a bench he got down on one knee and. proposed with a big fake like Dime Store.

25 cent ring beautiful it was scary that. moment was scary Sean because I was not. thinking about getting remarried I had. just gotten a divorce total surprise. total surprise he ran it by my mom and. my mom was like have you run this by. Megan because I'm not sure and he was. like whoa what do you mean um but you. know it was one of those things like. I I I'm learning how to play maang do. you ever play maang like it's becoming a. thing man back in like Windows 995 era.

it's becoming a thing in in both of my. communities where I go on the Summers. and where I am in home in Connecticut. and you know when you get the little. card you have to say whether you want it. or the tile or not you got it like. there's no doovers if the tile's there. you got to click on it or you never get. it again so it might have been a little. early for me the proposal but in. retrospect I I thank God I said yes. because I don't know if we would have. had Thatcher you know like my third kid. I had him when I was 42 that's already.

kind of old what if I had waited maybe. there wouldn't be a thatcher you know so. Doug's instincts were dead. on so you guys have been married for 16. years congratulations thank you what do. you think the key to a successful. marriage. is I definitely think it's used using. your most generous lens on your partner. trying to interpret all behaviors. through the lens of he loves me and I. love.

him um that helps with so many things. and I also think it's important to say. the thing that you don't want to say not. to be intentionally hurtful. but we don't really have a lot of. conflict now but when I was on Fox in. the prime time and Doug was doing more. than his fair share of everything going. on with the young kids he was never like. a stay-at-home dad he always had going. on but he just he had a job that allowed. him to be at home more and so he. necessarily was doing. more he never got resentful really of me.

actually he was always very supportive. he's just a cool guy but I got resentful. of him really yeah I was like I don't. like that the kids go to your side of. the bed in the middle of the. night I don't like that you've shown. them all these movies that you know I'm. not around to see now you have your own. little language with them about the fun. things you've done you know I I don't. like when I'm having a one-on-one. conversation with them and you come in. and join I I need my own one-on-one time. with them get out you know and I didn't.

really want to say those all those. things make me feel even to this moment. like a very Petty person you know like. here's this guy he's doing all this. great stuff most women would kill to. have a more active partner I had a. different kind of problem and I didn't. really give a [ __ ] if it made me feel. small I needed to say it we had to clear. the air and Doug always made me feel. better about about those things always. you know and then when I finally writed. my life and got more balance into where.

I could be a more active mother I. realized it it's not so thrilling to. have them come over in the middle of the. night and wake you up it was I didn't. know how good I had it go follow your. father how long did it take you to find. that balance did you find it at Fox or. was it was it after your your what would. I call it mainstream I mean I left Fox. for a bunch of reasons but the number. one reason was I needed to raise my own. children they were 7 five and three when.

I left and I hadn't missed it you know. I'd missed a lot yeah but I hadn't. missed it and um you know I don't it's. just if PE people don't understand that. it's like I can't explain it to them. like there's only one time mhm that you. can raise him that's it I feel it yeah I. feel it all the time once you've missed. it you've missed it yeah I'm uh. realizing how fast it actually does go.

you have to prioritize yeah you you have. to like and I remember when I was. thinking about leaving Fox I sat next to. some gazillionaire at some event we were. both like doing a speech someplace or. something and he he was talking about. how he spent all of his kids 18 years of. formation on the road and earning the. money and they have a private jet and. all this stuff and he was like I screwed. up it wasn't worth it I wish so much I. had done it differently and I was like.

this is an angel sent to me at this. moment in time when I can make a. different Choice wow you know I had the. NBC offer to go do something that as we. now know was a very poor fit but in my. mind was just an off-ramp you know it. was like I can get out of the toxic. world of politics which you know if you. know anything about 2016 in my life was. extremely toxic for me that year I can. be with these beautiful people who need. me you know I can talk about stories.

that are uplifting I thought it'd be. more like an Oprah type show we you know. talked about changing people's lives and. I took it you know I was scared to take. that leap but I. knew changing my hours and my schedule. and my like overall setup had to be. done how does your if you don't mind me. asking how does your husband. deal with the fame and notoriety that. you have he's very good about it I mean.

he he he said once something like you. know every few months Meg will say. something that upends our life and then. we have to deal with. that but for the most part it has more. positives than. negatives um you know people are so nice. look I have like just a small level of. Fame if that's the word we we want to. use it's like people recognize me but. they're very. respectful no one's ever nasty I mean.

they used to be more when I was on Fox. but the percentage of nastiness is like. less than one the percentage of kindness. is all 99 and the percentage of. intrusions into my personal time that. are unwanted is almost none like people. are pretty good about reading whether. you are approachable in that moment or. not like without if I'm with my kids. they they leave me alone I've noticed if. I'm with Doug they usually leave me. alone too if I'm on my own they they.

feel more comfortable coming over but. some of that's nice it's like a little. ego boost they come over they say all. lovely things then they say I'm sorry. I'm sorry what are you apologizing for. said all these beautiful things to me. right made me feel good um but I I can. go places I don't have to worry you know. it's just I feel like I'm right at at a. good level where I can pay my bills and. I can I can sort of have a microphone. where and people want to listen to it. but people are so respectful and it's.

not I can't imagine how like truly you. know well-known people live yeah yeah. back to. Fox you get your. first I don't know I'm sorry I don't. know what to called main show Prime Time. show yeah so I had a show in the morning. and then the afternoon and then prime. time yeah how was that the prime time. yeah it was great it was. exciting um the night before we went on. the air live we played uh don't change a.

thing by nxs we all. danced and then we went out there and. did it and it was great it was so fun it. was just such a big moment for us all do. your team follow you everywhere you go. yeah that's amazing same executive. producer and core producers and. I love my old EP I love my current EP. too but this guy Tom L was just like we. were in it together from 2007 to when I.

left in 17 I mean just 10 years of. insane events and he was like a blood. brother to me so I love that guy and. always. will and uh prime time was exciting just. definitely a different level of. attention and importance and Highwire. act you know you you sit down on that. set and you feel yourself you know. do you get an adrenaline dump definitely. every time yeah that's amazing.

yeah but you know I was torn during. those years too because we launched The. Kelly File um two months after Thatcher. my youngest was born and he was so. little and I would bring him in it was a. new schedule you know where I worked. basically 3:00 to 11:00. p.m. you can't just go in at 8: if. you're doing the 9:00 p.m. news you know. you have to prepare yeah a a lot. especially if you're me and uh first I. thought this would be so great cuz my. kids are little they're not yet in.

school I can be with them it's not. really how it works before you know they. are in school during those hours and you. leave just as they get. home but my babe was not in school he. was an infant and I'd bring him into Fox. he'd be with me I'd be. distracted he'd fall asleep I'd put him. on the little sofa right across from me. and he'd sleep in his little you. know and I just felt so bad about it it. just felt. like the wrong thing to be.

doing it was the first time my. professional goals really clashed with. my personal goals because doing the. earlier shows like in the afternoon when. my first two were little I was balancing. it much better I was gone like in the. middle of the day I was there with them. with for most of the morning and I was. with them for all of the evening I put. them to bed every night it was a very. present mother and then with thater for. that beginning first year of the Kelly. foul is just he was with me a lot at Fox.

but it wasn't quality. time it's the first time my heart really. started to like cry you know like this. isn't good enough MH and that was. um 13 to 14 14 to 15 15 to 16 yeah so I. was you know going on four years and I. was like that year was three when I left. Fox so. I just got to the point where I was like. I can't do this anymore I can't do this. one more bit one more minute one not one. more minute I I loved my audience I.

loved my show and I loved my job most of. it but I love them so much more there's. not even any contest yeah and it wasn't. like I had to give up journalism you. know I could still do something in the. field going over to NBC it wasn't. exactly what I wanted but it was. something. so it seemed like a good compromise can. we talk about 2016 yeah with talk about. all of it with you and Trump.

yeah good times it doesn't sound like. it I. mean I remember when that happened and. uh how do. you I mean how do you deal with. that uh you know I see it so differently. now I see it as one of my thank you. moments for sure you know I I am a lot. stronger and Tougher Than I Used to Be. in a good way not like bad tough um and.

I have a very good perspective on what. happened there and my role in it and why. Trump was doing. that but when I was going through it I. lacked that perspective and so it was. more traumatic you know like anything. especially a crisis you go through the. wisdom only comes later mhm you know. when you're in the midst of it you're. just dealing with the fire hose of [ __ ]. um so it was highly.

unpleasant uh and the biggest challenge. for me was trying to report on him. without being a. rabid opposition Force you know I. refused to let his negative comments. about me ongoing turn me into the very. everything he was saying I was unfair I. can't be fair to Trump you know I'm all. the other words whatever I.

just I was determined to go out there. and be fair to him at night. notwithstanding what he was doing to me. in my personal life and I think I did a. decent job of it you know it wasn't. perfect but I think I did a decent job. of it um what I know what it was but I. just want to ask you what was the. question that asked that that triggered. that. response well it was something like. you've called women you don't like fat.

pigs dogs slobs disgusting animals your. Twitter account is littered with. negative comments about women. um oh and it began with one of the. things people love about you is you. don't use a politician's filter but. that's not without its downsides. especially when it comes to women and I. went over the things he said about women. and then I said there was once a. Celebrity Apprentice contestant who you. said you'd like to see her on her knees.

does that sound to you like the. temperament of a man we should elect as. president and how will you answer the. charge coming from Democrats that you. are part of the war on. women I love my question I know people. disagree and that's fine they're. entitled to their opinions too but I. loved it I thought it was perfect um and. I worked on it. tirelessly and people think that uh rert. Murdoch blessed it allowed it green lit.

it absolutely not it was I'd love for. the people who are mad at me over that. question to blame it on somebody else. but no was all the blame goes on me and. that's fine I as I say I stand behind. the question 100. 100% we're not supposed to be chumming. with these guys it's supposed to be. adversarial it's a presidential debate. let's go let's get it on that's what I. thought and it made Electric television. it was spectacular to watch the highest. rated debate in US history is it really.

yeah congratulations well I don't know. if the record still stands cuz Trump. went on to be but nothing came close. prior to that well we don't have very. many presidential debates anymore so no. I'm sure it's so I think we're going to. get some. still when he. had implied blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her wherever I mean. that was pretty much what kicked the. whole thing off correct that he'd been. tweeting that I was a bimbo and he'd.

been tweeting out pictures I did for GQ. Magazine you know that kind of thing how. did that I mean what did that what. aspect of your life do you think that. affected the. most profession the most was internal at. Fox it created just such a [ __ ] storm. internal at Fox. because Roger was very worried he was. going to lose the core base of his. audience that had fallen in love with. Trump but he was still trying to hold on. to the establishment wing of the. Republican.

party. and we were getting so much hate mail. you know I was getting so much hate mail. I you know it seemed like overnight I. went from someone the audience liked to. someone they. loathed but the ratings didn't suffer. which is interesting my ratings never. went down they only went up really I. know so it's odd but people were very. very angry with me over that question. they really thought I tried to kneecap. Trump and I understand why they thought. that I just don't see it that way at all.

like if you if you would ever go back. and look at that whole debate and look. at that first opening round of questions. we were so mean to all of them all of. them I basically told Ben Carson he. seemed like an idiot and listed all the. ways in which I he had evidenced that. and made him explain why it wasn't true. I mean mean questions but mean in like a. good way journalists should should not. be cozy with presidential candidates. they should be tough on them these. should be the toughest A+ level. questions you can craft that's what I.

think a presidential debate should be. then let him fight um and we did our job. we did our job that night and Trump. answered that that question beautifully. he really did he was humorous he was he. was like a bull you know like only Rosie. O'Donnell which made everybody laugh and. then he said the classic Trump line of. what I say is what I say right that's. Trump to this day so it was an.

opportunity really for him and he nailed. it and if he hadn't decided to make a. thing out of that question the world. would have just moved on but he did and. I think he did it for a variety of. reasons and then just like the stress in. my life internally and because there are. many people who are mad at me over the. question too like Die Hard loyalists to. Trump inside the. building um and outside because the. security situation in our lives went.

nuts it was very weird how like the. Threat Level started to go up and like. you always get death threats sadly as a. public figure but these were scary and. they were specific and we kept having to. call in security teams and we had to. investigate this person and that person. the other person or do we get a. restraining order or and then strange. odd men showing up to my home in the. middle of the night. yelling at me in front of my children. and it was just like whoa whoa whoa this. is like this is next.

level off of the one question you know. it and Trump had so many bigger problems. in the news I was the least of his. problems you know he had people who. hated him and were openly espousing it. every day I like why. me and I think there are all sorts of. answers to that but. was I was unhappy I was as I as you know. from the discussion we've had I was. going into that year kind of unhappy. about how things had changed to Fox and.

my kids and all that and then I was just. getting more. unhappy so it was. just you know there there's a scene you. mentioned that you watched the movie. bombshell you said that to me before we. started and um there is one scene in. that movie where Charlie's Theon playing. me is in like an edit Bay. and she's having a conversation with my. fake husband Doug and while that scene.

never happened in my life the sentiment. she expressed 100% did where she said. something like I'm allowed to want this. to be. over that's that was it exactly I'm. allowed to want this to be over and I. did end it I managed to end it on a good. note with Trump. the media turned on me 180 of course. because they wanted me to be his. antagonist they wanted him to say more. things about me because they would make.

a story out of it every time he did and. they saw it as a Surrender by me to him. when you say that you think he did it. for a variety of reasons what what are. the. reasons I think the first night he was. genuinely mad at. me and I now know. from everyone I mean from reporting. around Trump all these depth pieces from. people close to Trump not just his. detractors I mean you know that and even. deposition testimony that was given in. some of the lawsuits against him and the.

legal cases from him and others they. knew that the women thing was going to. be a problem for Trump long before. America knew it long before I knew. it I found that issue only because I. asked my research assistants to get me. you know information on. everybody and they came in with this is. this guy's wig weakness this is this G's. weakness this is so I was ready to punch. them all where it hurt and trumps was. like this and it was all about. women now we're more used to some of.

this stuff but back in 2015 that debate. was August. 2015 to have a presidential candidate. having said that stuff about women and. done some of those things with women was. like what we had had Bill Clinton don't. I haven't forgotten that but I'm just. saying this was not the Norm so I was. like this is going to be a good one. right to ask him about this stuff it. wasn't an attempt to take him out it was. like let's go right like let's go I'm.

going to bring my aame you bring yours. it's on I'm doing your favorite thing. good TV let's do that thing. together and I think it touched a nerve. because it was a a soft spot for him he. knew he was exposed so initially he was. mad why did he keep it going for nine. months I think he enjoyed it and he knew. it was a good storyline for. him and he was. right I'm not beholding to Fox I will.

take on Fox news I will take on the. female anchor I won't be controlled by. anyone I won't bow to any of the rights. sacred cows I'm for you not for the. elites The Establishment the so-called. bosses of the Republican Party F them. all you and I are together that's what. Trump was saying to his. fans and it was brilliant I was just. part of it you know he was making me. part of that messaging long past the.

point at which I wanted anything to do. with that you know I just kind of wanted. to do my. journalism and I punched him some nights. from the anchor desk and other nights I. defended him in fact I didn't really hit. Trump much at all the one thing I. remember going him after going after him. on was when he criticized the Gold Star. Family I didn't like that but other than. that honestly I was defending Trump most. of the nights so so you didn't you. didn't get vindictive you didn't no at. all no no even though as he continued.

doing this my feelings on him personally. definitely soured oh I could imagine how. did your family take it Doug's feelings. soured. more he was very frustrated he really W. wanted it to stop he wanted to defend me. but he couldn't you know I knew that. would be inappropriate it wouldn't help. and it would undermine me you know I. didn't need to run to my husband to make. it stop I needed to go to the gorilla.

himself as I call Trump he's always the. 800 pound gorilla. um so it was very it was very hard I. mean were your kids old enough to. understand what was going on no nor did. I want them to nor did I want to poison. them on Trump yeah you know I didn't. want to poison them on anybody. politically wanted I back then I was. really just thinking I want them to. figure out eventually where they stand. on politics and politicians and Trump.

could be president I certainly don't. want them loathing the president so I. didn't tell my kids a lot you know. they'd see some of the security issues. you know we went to Disneyland with an. armed guard Disney World that was weird. he was like following us around on all. the rides so that was strange things. like that they'd notice but no so anyway. I finally I had tried to get Trump to. stop through Hannity who did he was very. gracious and tried to help me out their. friends Roger tried time and time again.

no had other people go to back door no. and then Brian kilme actually offered to. send Trump an email for me because he. knew I wanted a. meeting and uh Trump said yes so I went. there I didn't tell Roger. and I settled it with Trump one to. one and he never bothered me again and. Roger was.

incensed he was so angry that I went. there and didn't tell him and I think. it's because he wanted the credit for. putting it to bed what he said to me was. you don't go to him he should have come. to you or you me it a neutral spot you. gave up all your power. and I was like. Roger I am a reporter he is a. presidential candidate the he does have.

the power the nature of this. relationship is I pursue him I need. access to him he doesn't need. me it's appropriate in the context of. this relationship for me as the reporter. to say may I have time with you I will. come to you and I would like to bring. you this objection I have and ask you to. stop this Behavior I didn't think there. was anything wrong with it and uh I. think he was actually just mad because. he wanted credit internally for having.

organized it all himself you know the. the come to Jesus and the reconciliation. and the new page uh but he was so pissed. off that's another thing that the the. movie bombshell gets wrong they show. Roger really happy about that question. like good job no he was very angry about. that question and I think we would find. out you know soon thereafter why Roger. was so very paranoid about that. particular subject. mhm what what was the conversation like.

with Trump when you went. there classic. Trump funny he hugged me he'd been. telling people to boycott the show for. months he said he watched it every. [Laughter]. night he was like he he was so. magnanimous warm it was like none of it. ever happened did it totally disarm.

you uh not totally I was like what the. [ __ ] is going on here but I was relieved. that he was so nice you know I I didn't. know what to expect and he' just been. so I don't know just so rough so I just. wasn't sure what I was was getting. myself into there but he could not have. been nicer he's like Melania loves your. show get her in here milania Eric Trump.

came in it was like I can't believe this. is what it's. happening wow and um then he asked for. my phone number and I was like oh God. remember he had just done the thing in. that primary with Lindsey Graham where. he posted Lindsey Graham's phone number. publicly oh cuz he turned on l. and I was like you're not going to. lindsy gr me here are you and he's like. no no I promise to keep it to myself and. it was really crazy so crazy Sean CU we.

W I walked out we we agreed like we're. good and the last thing he said to me. before I walked out of Trump Tower was. you know Megan it's not such a good. thing if they're not talking about. us and I was like oh my God. was this whole thing for. show like was he acting the whole. time wow to generate.

buzz and I really don't know the answer. to that other than what I told you my. suppositions about his feelings the. night of and then the motivations. thereafter. wow there was a scene in the movie where. I believe it was your husband seemed. disappoint pointed maybe like you were. you. were not being true to yourself too. solicitous of him is that that's a.

madeup scene that never happened Doug. always had my back was on my side but I. think they use Doug sort of as a standin. for many millions of people who were. angry I made up with Trump and angry. that I then did a relatively friendly. interview with. him um turning the page. which is true I mean I did do that um I. did have a goal in that interview. certainly wasn't to stir things back up. that people were right about that but it. was really just to see if Trump was an.

empathetic person if you go back and. look at that interview you see almost. every single question is toward that end. asked him about his brother who had. alcoholism asked him about his dad asked. him about um people who he's attacked on. the internet asked him a little bit. about me but people what the left you. know what they they wanted me to go in. there and be like you called me a bimbo. how dare. you that's not me I was enjoying not. being his Target and I certainly didn't. want to spend more time miring and how I.

was was your target for all this time um. so yeah people were very angry and I. think that's really when I lost a lot of. the media as like they just turned on me. and never came back over which is fine I. their love was artificial when it was. given and it was unimportant to me then. and it remains unimportant to me but I. did think it was a very telling Dynamic. how as soon as I no longer was Trump's. foil they were. like. wow wow so it sounds like and look like.

from the film and the reports and while. it was happening that that sexual. harassment was just running. rampid throughout the entire Fox News. organization is that an accurate. assumption I think it was pretty pretty. common yeah yeah it was pretty frequent. I mean you know this is back before Fox. News was patient zero in the me too. movement um we were a year before.

Weinstein so it wasn't really a thing. for people to come forward for women to. come forward like that so yeah it was. prevalent I would come to find out it. was prevalent at NBC and then as the. world would later find out it was. prevalent at CBS and it was existent at. ABC and CNN and MSNBC so we were not. special at Fox News we were just. first how did it start with.

you um I was very young I was at the. very beginning of my career there still. a reporter in DC working for Brit Hume. and Kim Hume and um very green but. loving my time and Roger took an. interest in me early on you know I think. In fairness to myself um it wasn't all. because he wanted to sleep with me I. think he understood he had somebody who. was a lawyer who you know had potential. in this business that was unique and.

that he really wanted to develop it. because above all he was a capitalist he. wanted to make money so he started to. Mentor me in a great way he gave me so. much good advice advice I still rely on. and Miss to this day um and we kind of. became friends he would have me to his. house with his wife and with Doug for. dinner and we went many times and I got. to know him and. then he would make body comments to me a. lot which didn't phase me you know I had.

come off 10 years of practicing law like. I said we were pretty runchy in the law. not quite this runchy but you know salty. language and uh I'm almost impossible to. offend I'm really hard to off I'm. freaking Irish we don't offend easy. um so I don't know I just kind of I. wasn't to faced by the inappropriate. comments about women's looks or this. one's left her way to the top this that. kind of. thing I remember getting worried when he.

said I'll spare this news. anchor the identification but he said. this anchor who I admired at another. network was smart she slept with her. boss and that gave her every opportunity. she ever wanted that's how she got to. the top and I remember being like now. that's different from just body you know. that sounds like an invitation and then. there'd be more inappropriate comments. about me you know the initial comments.

were just about in general like sexual. it's almost like how a groomer you know. frankly operates um then he gets. specific about me and he said something. about how good he thought I would look. in my Brun panties I was like all right. now we're really over on thin ice this. in no world is this okay talk between a. boss the most powerful man news and a. firste reporter you know I knew I. remember thinking this is so ballsy. because he knows I'm a lawyer he knows I.

just came off of 10 years of practicing. law including employment law like this. is definitely not. Kosher but my feeling was he just wanted. to have an affair with me you know I. thought the guy was Randy you know I. wasn't thinking he's this massive sexual. harasser it just wasn't even that's not. at all how I experienced it I'm like he. wants to go to bed with me and not to. sound you know self- congratulatory but. he wasn't the first man to behave like.

this around me it wasn't like this is. the first time a man's ever come on to. me and want to have sex with me so I was. like oh this is tricky cuz he's my boss. I've got to get out of this I'm. definitely not going to have sex with. him or an. affair this is very. tricky but my only goal was get out of. it without hurting him because I want a. career career mhm you know my career. which I'm loving is on the line here if. I upset him or play this wrong he's.

going to feel rejected which is the. worst way you can make a man feel and if. that man's your boss your careers out. the window especially when you were me. with no connections no history no resume. no body of work. nothing so it was just like dancing on. the head of a pen to try to just get out. of bounds whenever he said something. like that out of bounds out of bounds. out of bounds um and for most of this. time I was divorcing Dan and not yet.

with Doug so I couldn't be like oh you. know Doug which is a very effective way. of telegraphing to a man no but I didn't. have that and I didn't have a ton of. experience in like just navigating this. particular thing. so it was bad but I did know that if he. was going to fire me I needed a record. because I would have sued him and so I. started keeping a diary every night.

whenever I had an interaction with him. very detailed I told my office mate. Major Garrett who's the White House. reporter for CBS News now and he would. later back me up when this investigation. came down we used to sit in my office we. shared an office together and the phone. would light up and I'm a first year and. it would say Roger alses he'd be like he. never got a call from Roger in his. career there called me all the time like. my. god um he kept calling me up to New York. which was also unusual I would later. find out you know these long face tof.

face meetings were. unusual and um I called my lawyer I. called Jones day and they opened up a. case File and created a conflict just in. case like he ever called them so he he. couldn't hire them so they could. represent me if I needed it and then I. told my super ADV visor who I have. chosen not to name um in the DC Bureau. but I went to this person and I told. them what was happening and I didn't.

want this person just to be clear to run. to Human Resources I wasn't like let's. make a record this is inappropriate I. was like please help me you know I I. want it to end and I don't want to get. fired and I I don't know what to do and. this person told me he's just an. unhappily married man and he's a good. man and if you just stay down here in DC. and ignore him it'll stop and that's. exactly what. happened and I chocked it up to exactly.

what I was told he's a good man but an. unhappily married man and he was looking. to have an affair and it wasn't going to. be with. me and I kind of skipped the you know. Crescendo of it all but it came to a. peak in his office one day when he. grabbed me and tried to kiss me and I. pushed him off of. me it wasn't like violent you know it. wasn't like I'll have you and I was like. no it was just like he tried to go for. it and I pushed him back I could smell.

alcohol on his breath and uh he came at. me again he clearly didn't get the. message like most men after one shove. off would know it's a no he came at me. again and the same thing I pushed him. away and I went over by the door to get. out he used to lock the door when not. just me but women were in there and he. looked at me and said uh when is your. contract.

up and it was soon I remember telling. him whenever it was up and then it came. for me a third time a third time yeah. and I like pretended to stumble off of. my high heel like I you know to get away. from him and I ran out the. door and I called my Jones Day lawyer in. tears. like I'm I'm definitely getting fired. this is going to be a disaster and. that's when they opened up the case File. and did all that stuff but.

ultimately I did what you know my my. friend and supervisor told me to do and. uh he did he didn't pursue it and he did. not exact any sort of Retribution on me. he got past it he ignored me you know I. was a peon and uh I just nose to the. grindstone. for the next couple of years down there. a couple years went by and he promoted. me to Anchor you know the long meeting. stopped and uh I got the anchor job I.

mean I was earning my bones that time I. was doing really solid reporting on big. big. cases um so it wasn't like oh gee. nothing happened and then he gave me you. know I worked and I was getting well. known and people there was Buzz I was. coming. up and then he made me an anchor and he. never bothered me again never he was. always the perfect gentleman with me. after that he had gotten the message he. still was body here and there wasn't but. never like about me he he clearly and.

then I was with Doug and he was always. respectful of that when did. you when did you become aware of all the. other. women so I found out that my friend my. closest friend there Janice Dean she's. the meteorologist also had an experience. with him and we kind of laughed you know. we weren't thinking he was this massive. harasser we were like oh men you know.

and it was right at the same time mine. happened so I filed that under took a. shot with her too didn't work out with. me took a shot with her didn't work out. with her her story always you know made. me laugh because he took her out for. like a job interview at a hotel and uh. not the not a hotel room but like in a. restaurant. and they had a glass of wine and before. she knew it he was like reaching out to. like hold her hands across the table. which is a weird move on a job interview. and he said to her I need to know how.

you see me and Janice who just the best. was. like like a teacher you know like like a. [Laughter]. mentor anyway we used to laugh about. that story you know it it's like ah. these pervy old. men that was the file it was. in so this is like similar to getting. heckled at the nursing home yeah it's.

like harmless once I got past my thing. which was definitely not harmless it had. the potential do to do a lot of harm it. was like all right it's done I managed. it I don't want to make a federal case. out of it at all mhm um and neither did. she she wanted her job he offered her a. job she rejected him she had the same. experience she rejected him and he hired. her anyway and then left her alone so we. both had it in the file of he took a. shot it didn't work out that happens.

it's not supposed to happen in the work. exactly with a boss but it does. happen and then Gretchen. Carlson filed her. lawsuit and we were like holy [ __ ] I. mean that truly was a. bombshell. um and that all hell broke loose I mean. just that. lawsuit was a before and after moment. all all hell broke. loose how long was the lawsuit going on.

before you before you made your. decision I don't. remember I don't remember the time span. I mean the whole thing seemed to be. maybe six weeks but I can't I don't hold. me to that were you close with Gran. Carlson not at all. I didn't really like her okay few of us. did and uh in a war between Gretchen and. Roger we were all team.

Roger that's just the truth she didn't. really like me either um so the Instinct. was not in any way to help. her. but truth is truth. like reality is reality and. while I offer no opinion on her. situation and what did or did not happen. between Gretchen and. Roger I knew from the second that thing.

was. filed that if I got called in by any. investigative body he was. [ __ ] because by this point I had risen. to the top of Fox News I had. credibility I had no axe to grind she. had just been fired. and I knew that they would believe. me and I deserve to be. believed I just saw that this thing had. set Wheels in Motion that were.

ultimately going to end in. Calamity and. um God it was terrible it was just. terrible because I didn't want to hurt. him and I didn't want to help. her and I didn't want to upend my career. and I didn't want to be known as the. face of some sexual harassment movement. or lawsuit or to have the fact that I'd. been harassed broadcast to anybody you.

know I was humiliated about it you know. I it's just it wasn't something that was. seen the way it is now you know it was. usually they'd say you brought it on. yourself you know back then only now are. we starting to understand actually this. is really kind of common and it doesn't. mean you were asking for it trust me I. was not asking for it um I just didn't. want anything to do with it it was like. cess pull of toxicity over there my. life's going pretty well over here I I. don't want to go in your.

pool. but one thing after another started. happening and what happened was I found. out that they were. going to limit the investigation to only. staff that worked for Gretchen and I. found that out after other women had. spoken to either me or Janice so like. once the loss it was filed women started. talking me too me too me too and so.

Janice and I started to hear this was. widespread this was not just the two of. us and heard it had happened to like. some young women and it was these were. deeply concerning things and we were. like oh my God and then other women. non-f Fox women came out and spoke I. think to Gabe Sherman in a piece that. was explosive about terrible allegations. they were making about him before Fox. News so we were all like oh my God and. now I'm re-evaluating everything that.

happened to me and Janice re-evaluating. everything that happened to her and then. we found out that Roger had managed to. limit the investigation to just. Gretchen's. staff and that was the. real moment of reconciliation for me. because because I knew that would end. it that would have ended it and he would. have been. fine they would not have talked to.

Janice they would not have talked to me. they would not have talked to the other. women we now knew. about and I knew women not only at Fox. but at CNN like elsewhere who had worked. for him um at this point. and it's just. I betrayed him and that's how I see it. you still feel like.

that. yeah I mean I know I had good reasons. and it's not like I would have done it. differently but I. still I. have really complicated feelings because. I betrayed. him and now I also feel like I let down. the women who came after me you know. came who were harassed after I. was even though I don't blame the women. who were harassed by him before me you.

know that's I don't it's just my own. thinking you know like if I had done. more in that first year as a reporter if. I had blown up my career and just said. [ __ ] it I'll go back to practicing. law I know women I know actual women who. it wouldn't have happened. to but at the same time I didn't want to. hurt him been so good to me we'd become. friends he'd really help me and my. family he'd always been good to. me but it was. like What if he's still doing.

it am I just going to like cash my. check and go out there like with swagger. on the air like I'm fine I'm. good it was just an impossible situation. it was so. hard and I wrote about this in my book. and it's a a true. story The deciding moment was my. daughter was little she was like four. five four and she had fallen off the.

jungle gym a week earlier I'd been on. the road and caught the back of her head. significantly and needed a bunch of. stitches and a week later she went back. at the top of that jungle gym in her. dress she had this white dress with red. polka dots and sneakers and had I have. picture of her with this huge smile at. the top of the same jungle. gym and I'm scrolling through my. pictures one day and there's that. picture and I'm like look at her it's so.

brave right like she fell far and really. hurt herself and she's right back up. there it's like an extraordinary Act of. Courage for a little. girl and she has this like zigzag scar. in the back of her head like a like a. Shazam kind of thing and I call it her. superhero scar you. know and I remember thinking. like this can't happen to.

her to another young woman again not. here not not right by him not if my. saying something can stop. it so I called Lin. Murdoch and I said you better get your. lawyer on the. phone as I have something to tell. you and then I told them the story of. what had happened to me all those years. earlier and then they hired a real Law.

Firm to do a real. investigation and dozens of women came. in including ones to that. day that day that we're going through. it wow. it's. uh I wasn't expecting that. reaction it's. complicated people are complicated.

that's what my therapist always says. people are. complicated and then you. know internally at Fox it was terrible. which is another. like heavy layer of. it. because every everyone was very angry. with me some had already been angry. because of the Trump stuff and then it. was just such a betrayal that they. thought I had committed and they didn't.

know people softened after they found. out what really was the truth about him. but in the beginning they just thought I. sided with. Gretchen and like had some nothing with. him that I then complained about to try. to hurt. him so they were very angry they thought. I stuck a knife in daddy you know for no. reason and he really was kind of like. Daddy he was like a almost like a cult. leader there um so that just I mean. going to work in those days. was it was crazy I just felt so.

heavy and. um it was the Republican National. Convention in 2016 where I had all these. security guards because the death. threats and Trump and it was you know it. gone. up and uh I was getting ready to go on. the set. for Prime Time coverage with all my. colleagues and I saw on the TV screen a. report by Howie Curts the media guy.

about me it had leaked that I was. cooperating with the investigators and. the whole report was about how I was a. liar they had pulled every nice thing I. had ever said about alses in The Press. over the previous 10. years and we're saying you know. basically she's got to be lying because. look how she actually feels about Roger. and just painted me as this awful.

disgusting. turncoat they never called me for. comment on the report try to find out. whether it was true meanwhile the. murdocks knew it was true the murdocks. were talking to me this is their Network. wow but Roger was was calling the shots. and so Roger told how he curs to do that. and he did it and I'm in the hotel room. looking at this television like is this.

happening and I speaking of the Angels. who come to get us got a text or a call. right after this happened from my priest. who happened to be at the RNC and saw. the report and said you need me and I. said yes and he came over I've never. done this before in my life I'm not one. of those people who like has a priest. who I call and then we pray together but. my priest came over and we prayed.

together and I went out in the air that. night and it was like I mean it was just. stone cold it was. rough and then he was fired the next. day you do see all the good that came. from that correct. yes I mean to be honest I have mixed. feelings about it. because I know that many women were.

saved from active harassment or you know. harassment as a result of that whole. thing I played a part in it but I mean. truly the women. who did it were the younger women who it. was happening to then who had everything. to lose they didn't have money in the. bank like I did they had a they didn't. have a relationship with him they didn't. they couldn't just leave and go get. another job at another Network they owed.

him everything and they [ __ ] did it. they went into that lawyer room and they. told the stories not knowing that he. would be. fired 100% believing that they would be. fired I mean that's. guts uh when I think about the me too. movement those are the women I pictured. their faces those are the women who did. it like that was the goodness of the MEO. movement but the movement was so. disgusting by its end so corrupted and. unjust and devoid of due process and. such a Witch Hunt that I don't like.

being associated with it I don't I. certainly don't want to be the face of. it I'm not proud of the movement it was. politicized and bastardized and used to. take down political figures and others. with whom some women just had political. or business. beefs but and I you know my my therapist. always says cognitive behavioral therapy. you have to make a list on the other. side and the list on the other side. is you know Les moonves got thrown out.

of CVS CBS that was a good one to go. Harvey. Weinstein got thrown out of Hollywood. that was a great one you know Matt laow. lost his job that needed to. happen uh so there are all sorts of. examples I could look at that were not. politicized. that I know a lot about especially the. ones in the news industry more than what. came out publicly and I know that those. were. good I mean you know I I.

think you just never know how big the. impact that you make is and it just goes. so far beyond that and I don't I mean do. you think that's still going on at Fox. today I don't know. I mean there's a there's a real Dynamic. that men and women are attracted to each. other and often find a spouse or a. future spouse at the. workplace and it's always been.

so you know you can't scare humans out. of Behaving humanly you know like that's. normal for them to be attracted to each. other and they spend a lot of hours at. the office and sometimes those office. romances Bloom into beautiful. things where there's a power imbalance. it's very tough and. risky and I think at least at least now. people are more aware of that and maybe. more bosses are aware. that she might be telegraphing to you.

that she's okay with this but she might. just be scared you know Got To Tread so. lightly there I think there has been. greater awareness brought been brought. to the question and look I definitely am. stopped by a lot of women who say thank. you you know. who sort of saw a model for how to get. through this kind of thing and then. followed. it and whenever they say that I do think. of these young women who I know who went. in there because they're still nameless.

as they wish to be and I see them. thriving now at Fox and I root them on. and I'm thrilled that their careers are. going so well. but I I know who they are like in my. mind those are like the true heroins. because they were so. powerless but they told their stories. and they survived you know they still. have their career there I do think in in. many ways it was the end of my career at. Fox you know there was really no staying. yeah after that.

yeah. well I'm proud of you thank you and uh I. mean I don't think you'll ever know the. the amount of women that didn't have to. go through that. because it seemed to me like you The. Tipping. Point. and I'll bet that saved a lot of trauma. not just at Fox but. everywhere you know so I hope so.

um I don't know it's like I'm not sure. how to file it away if I if I don't file. it under the me too movement I do better. with it you know like we had our own. thing and then the Harvey Weinstein. thing kicked off this other. thing um but I certainly don't want to. be associated with anything that you. know what they did to Bret Kavanaugh. like all these any political figure now. gets like that's all just such BS yeah.

and I I have two sons and I have a. husband and I hate that now it's like. all all you need is an accusation I. think we've writed that ship a bit you. know we've restored some balance but not. totally I want nothing to do with women. who want that and who do that and a. Sunday morning regret into a me to. harassment case that ruins a young man's. life I completely disassociate myself. with that and I've had a long career of. reporting on those women and exposing.

them long career I was one of the only. ones who knew that that Duke rape. accuser was a liar you know I still get. thanked by guys who knew those three. guys and by those three guys themselves. um for that matter so I'm not on board. with any of that I'm all about due. process um. so I guess in that way I'm sort of a. chameleon did you and did you and Greta. never develop any type of a friendship. or discuss what had happened no I've.

never spoken to her still to this day. she never said anything to me she. certainly didn't say thank you which is. fine I did not do anything to help. her and for a long time she didn't thank. the women who came forward she made. every interview about herself as she. does to this day day that's all I'm. going to. say. wow so moving on from.

Fox. NBC that was another lovely experience. this is like destitution Derby all the. terrible things that have happened to MK. but no thank you back to my. motto you know that was a. bizarre year and a. half and uh a terrible. fit the one good thing that came out of. that is I did interview interview Putin.

which you mentioned at the top and I. loved that that was really. cool um it I was not well received by. the. audience the executives or the. talent I just kind of went out of the. frying pan and Into the Fire you know I. thought it was going to be a better. situation than Fox it was worse. in every. way and I knew it was going to be bad. then like the night before I went. there I think it was the night before I. started there I had this like forboding.

feeling come over me and I was I. remember saying something. like I think my career has already been. ruined I just have yet to have the Wave. Wash over me I think whatever has been. done to to me in terms of my ability to. be in this business has been done. already and I'm just going to the. consequences are about to. come it was a very scary feeling and I.

went out there and from day one you can. almost see that uncertainty on me and. almost trepidation when you watch the. early shows that I did there and my. initial appearances there I changed my. wardrobe cuz I thought I needed to be. more day timey my look was different my. hair and makeup team changed my makeup. guy he was great but it was a different. look. um it just didn't work on any level and. in some ways I was trying to change. myself you I was trying to turn the page.

you know get a new chapter going like. come on reinvent been a rough [ __ ]. couple years like come. on um GNA see my kids G to do more. uplifting stories going to take a step. away from politics for a while this is. going to be good for me you know this. going to be good for me and I'll tell. you the one other thing that came out of. that year that was really good um I did. have a lot of amazing guests on that. show who I loved and who were sort of. amazing and inspirational and the.

audience the in studio audience I loved. they were so fun I made actual. friendships in that group um the. regulars who would come just we talk. about our problems every day before and. after the show and I hated that I never. got to say goodbye to them you know when. they kick you out of TV they kick you. hard and you just go running. but that ended because it needed to. end you know at the time it ended. traumatically and in ruination.

however I've since become a big fan of. cancel culture it separates you from a. place you didn't belong a place with. different values than your own you know. so I got technically I wasn't fired I. just lost my show but um. that happened because I made a comment. about Halloween costumes and the way it. used to be saying when did it change and. how is it racist and you're just not. allowed to have that conversation in NBC.

you know you can't do what we do in this. Lane. and let's just say there were some other. things going on there behind the scenes. um but really the the big picture is it. happened because it needed to happen NBC. wasn't wrong it was not a good fit I. knew it too. it's just what do you do do you give up. in the middle of a contract do you where. do you go what do you do like a lot of. bad will had already been ginned up. about me with some in the populace you.

know some Die Hard Trump fans who are. still angry um some on the left who are. pissed I made up with. Trump it's just you know a lot of. different weird constituencies I kind of. got canceled by the right and then later. by the left man what did it feel like. for you to sit down in front of Putin. great I enjoyed that thoroughly did you. yeah were you fearful at all only in one. moment he's definitely had journalists. killed that's a problem and uh we.

actually had a plane on standby because. we were worried that something could. happen like we talked about having a. plane on standby I can't actually. remember whether we did it but we were. worried about him and uh we sat together. I've interviewed him now five times I. mean a few few times went I went I did a. couple things couple days together and. then I went back and we did more a year. later um and it was when I was. moderating his economic. conference uh with Prime Minister Modi.

of India that I got in his face about. the chemical weapons in. Syria and how Russia had helped fund. Assad and he got really. pissed he definitely that was the one. thing I asked him and of all the things. that he was genuinely angry about and. you could almost see the switch flip in. his head where he went to genuine anger. and I remember being like whoa I got to. pull back like I've crossed some. imaginary line I didn't know was there a. trip wire and I did pull back and enough.

that he continued to grant me more. interviews and so on but what a dynamic. fascinating terrible. man man that's um to go over there and. put yourself in that situation is. that takes a lot of Courage it was crazy. I Russia was so different it was so. beautiful and the people were so so nice. and love America the people there love.

Americans love it's not the way it is at. the leadership. level um but you know the women over. there they love a strong man I mean. American women kind of love a strong man. at least conservative I don't know about. the Liberals they is to they like the. soy boys but that's one of the reasons. why he's so popular and. uh you know just the dynamic of the guy. was fascinating you know it's like he. knew how to manipulate me or at least I.

could see when he was trying he knew how. to be angry when the situation called. for anger to be Charming when the. situation called for charm um and I have. to say he was very generous with me in. terms of the time and no. restrictions he brought me into this. weird sort of State Dinner between he. and Modi where suddenly I was like. the third party between these two giants. like oh my go what's going on what am I. doing here. um so. anyway I enjoyed it I got everything I.

needed from it and I actually think it's. not out of the question I'd go back and. interview him again would you really. yeah I know everybody out there has to. be just as frustrated as I am when it. comes to the BS and the rhetoric that. the mainstream media continuously tries. to force feed us and I also know how. frustrating it can be to try to find. some type of a reliable news source it's. getting really hard to find the truth.

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interviews that you. just really enjoyed or got something out. of or are proud. of um I mean I really love Judge. Judy I do she's full of so much wisdom I. always love talking to her whenever she. came on my show um there was nothing. though nothing like the Wounded Warrior. interviews that I did at Fox in. particular and now on my show we do a. deep dive every Memorial Day with like a. storyed.

vet and they're just the best I mean. they're just Crushers you know from Rob. O'Neal to Dakota Meyer to uh Jason. Redmond to Marcus Latrell like these are. giants you know and they their stories. are just. incredible you. um they stay with me like there's just a. special thing about military guys the. ones who have been hurt and the ones who. haven't they've all had trauma if.

they've served they've had. trauma. and there's a wisdom that comes with. it there's there's like a depth that. comes after something like that that. just takes you guys to this other plane. and I don't even know if you know you're. there but you're all operating on this. other plane that's just. higher it's not you don't have problems. you don't have real life you know. foilables. and things you change.

but there's a level of advice. perspective um thought about our world. about our lives here that you can't get. anywhere else I've yet to get it from. anybody else and the same was true at. Fox we used to do a show every year to. help tunnel to Towers you know which. helps severely wounded vets coming back. from Iraq and Afghanistan and will also. help Fallen police officers and firen. and their family um but these are guys. who have generally lost three maybe four.

Limbs and they need houses built for. them and tunnels to towers does it and. Gary sise and his foundation too and I. would get like nervous before those. shows because they're hard like it's sad. you don't want to ask the wrong thing. you know it's like the last thing you. want to do is add to their upset say. something stupid that's going to trigger. these poor guys who have been through. enough it's just like you're it's hard.

but I would do it and every time they. were so good to me they would make it so. easy on me they would never be offended. by something you know that was all in my. head and then you'd leave having raised. all these money for these guys and they. were so grateful all they want is to. like. walk across the. floor all that stuff would put such. perspective in my life he was like what. what are my stupid problems you know. even now like look at all the stuff I've. been whining about like what are you. saying you're so weak you know these.

other guys they have actual problems you. know they have life altering injuries. that they wake up thinking about and. have to deal with all day every day and. they have kids and they have bills to. pay so like for me they were important. too because you you know how they say. like touch grass that's touching grass. you know. that's get over yourself you.

know well I don't think that about you I. mean it's all. perspective you got to stay in touch. with that like. I the reason we do the thing on Memorial. Day every year is because. I think we're getting away from that as. a society and we don't just do a. memorial day I'm just saying that's like. a big one that we'll do we're kind of. like as we've turned against our. military leaders like we're forgetting. about our military men and women like.

when I was on Fox we used to highlight. military members all the time granted we. had two Wars going on so it's a little. different posture but those guys are. still around as you well know many. suffering still need our help kind of. like the forever ever Wars are over so. we're good yeah yeah well I mean the. media doesn't do a very good job of. bringing it up anymore you know so thank. you for doing what you're doing oh I. mean I'll give a shout out to one of my.

competitors and that's Jake Tapper he. does a very good job of remembering our. service members and he has a charity. that raises money for them every year I. always try to participate in it but that. takes a lot of work and effort and he. does it religiously he's very good to. the the truth. and I know people don't like him because. he hates Trump but I I like him and I. really appreciate what he does yeah I I. uh I had the pleasure of meeting him. once seemed like a really nice guy did.

he he did good we uh we spoke together. at the uh National Press Club for the. the 13 families umh you know that gold. star families from from abig gate yep. and uh the ones that President Biden. forgot to acknowledge forgot exist the. same ones and uh. man. yeah yeah that was.

dark yes it was still as there was. um there was one interview that I. remember as well that like there so many. over the years. but this news reporter was killed on the. air by a stalker like she was attacked. in her Newsroom I think it was and. um she was killed by this stalker very. young girl young woman and her dad came. on my show that.

night to talk about. it and the one thing he didn't want was. he didn't want to see the setup. package you know telling the audience. what happened. and of course we had done 15 different. things to make sure that he did not see. the setup package but something happened. and he got it fed to his. ear and when he started the interview he.

was upset he was. angry rightfully. so and I I just remember that feeling of. like oh my God like we let this poor man. down on the one thing he needed I felt. so bad but he managed to get through it. and I managed to sort of get him able to. talk and um like those are the things. you. remember the ones that affected you.

emotionally I guess that's the sort of. the theme of my answers like a Judge. Judy who makes me laugh makes me so. happy the military guys who make you. feel grounded and give you perspective. and then something like that where you. had a massive failure and you upset. somebody you did not want to upset you. know. it's it's not easy this job's not easy. yeah. yeah yeah is there I. mean do you often regret asking the.

wrong question maybe or or or do you no. no pretty much never no I mean it's I. think the audience is so forgiving they. know you're only human and you're going. to say dumb things. and I think it's like you get judged on. the body of work you know I. think you know I've been in the business. for a long time now so people know. generally who I am and what I stand for. and if I have a bad day or a bad show or.

if I say the wrong thing I deliver the. news in a way that wasn't true which I. will always go correct they know that. they know I'm not a dishonest broker I'm. not there for clicks I'm not even there. for love I'm there for respect and in. service you know that's what I'm there. for so. I know I'm pretty forgiving if I when I. say something dumb or that I don't feel. that's my bigger sin that like I say. something like yeah and then you're like.

N I don't really feel like. that you know yeah did I really mean. yeah I don't know if I. did well after you how long was it after. you left NBC that you started your show. so I left NBC in October of 18 and and. we launched the show September of 20. about about 2 years is that right yeah. two. years and I wasn't sure I was going to. go back into the business at all now you. can hear in the story just the Arc of.

you know how it went from so amazing to. not so great I was like I don't have to. do this maybe I'll hang out my shingle. again you know I could do some sort of. law helping. people or something else I could. reinvent myself another. time and you know what did it what got. me off my. couch it was the post George Floyd. Behavior it was that's what did it the. country losing its.

mind I was like these are lies these are. all lies about the police about us and. they're lies that are tearing at the. very fabric of America and I need to say. all the things that need to be said to. correct them. my brother is a. cop and a great cop now he's retired but. he was a lieutenant in Albany and this. guy was such an honorable cop the entire. time he was in service he was beaten to.

within an inch of his life by a gang. they broke his neck he was in the. hospital for a long time never came out. bitter never complaints he was so. upstanding and to hear these people smar. here cops RIT large as just all racist. you know or all bastards as they were. saying at the time I was like it's on.

[ __ ]. [ __ ] I couldn't. believe those protests where they were. making people say black lives matter. this is America we don't make people say. anything that's not us and as at the. same time we're in the covid lockdown. which I wasn't that excited about I was. pissed off about them and I was more. like I don't know what to believe I'm. kind of irritated and then we got to the. mandatory masking and I was like all. right it's on you know I don't like.

being told by anybody that I have to do. this or I have to do that I have a. fairly strong libertarian streak in me. so I was like I've got to get off the. couch I must get off the couch and so we. launched the show with me it sitting in. my kid's playroom with just a little. desk and a microphone and three people. we actually took a picture of the screen. grab it was just a couple of us like. well here goes. nothing and uh I said to my therapist. again I was like what if nobody listens. and he said he's from South Africa and. he goes well I'll listen and Doug will.

listen so you'll have. two and that's you know now here we are. we're four years later so you felt a. sense of. service. yes. yes I I was a wash in actual facts that. summer about the cops shooting deaths. race relations in. America then the covid stuff came on and.

all all of it I just became a student of. I mean I was reading nothing but uh. Shelby steel and Glam Lowry and um. listening to all sorts of podcasts from. people who were you know fair and. balanced Tom Thomas soul. not his podcast but his books um I was. listening to Heather McDonald I was. going to leftist sources to hear what. what are your accusations like what are. you saying I was reading their data to. see if they had a point I was reading.

Roland frier at Harvard with studies. that he was putting out I was trying to. really educate myself on what's real. what's. real and once you do that it's just so. clear my God the cops they make 10. million arrests a year they they have 30. million pullovers or interactions they. make 10 million arrests a year and in. you know that year that we were looking. at 2018 there were a dozen shootings of.

unarmed black men and unarmed included. people who had a glove box with guns who. were trying to run down the cop that's. in the TW that we were being lied to on. a massive gaslighting scale and nobody. was talking about the truth they were. too afraid so that's how the podcast was. born and where we got our you know. tagline no BS No Agenda no. fear and the rest is.

history I always uh wondered that and uh. you. know CU it's even during the interview. it sounded like I mean you now you have. all the time you want with your kids. yeah I. don't I mean it's not great to make aump. but I'm assuming he didn't need to go. back to work after. that well I would had to Chang some. things in my lifestyle but yes I would. have been just fine yeah and uh and uh. so there it is felt the sense of service.

oh yeah and look it. was it took me a while to really hit my. stride like I knew I was going to report. facts about these tough issues and I did. but I wasn't sharing really my opinions. as much as I do now and I had on Mark. Cuban very early on we sparred about his. big commitment to Dei and black lives. matter but was just fine taking all the. money from China who are genociding the. Wagers but human rights matter yeah okay.

so we had a feisty exchange on that but. Mark Cuban said something that was very. right to me and I didn't realize it at. the time he was pressing me on my. opinion and I was like I don't have to. give my opinion you know I asked the. questions I I don't answer them and he. was like oh no not on this not on a. podcast not in this forum you're going. to have to give your opinion I remember. being like H what does he know he he. knew a lot he was right and I was. wrong and now look at me now now you. can't shut me up I kind of owe him an.

apology over that where do you. think when did the media turn to all the. lies when did that happen 2015. 2015 how does I mean how does it what. happened Trump. there there is such a thing as Trump. derangement. syndrome he really. just he literally drove them. crazy he drove them.

crazy continues to drive them crazy and. they're just so agenda driven you know. you know I said I'm not ideological more. journalists should be able to say that. it's not great to be an ideological. journalist it's really not you're much. better off if you really don't like. either your side and you're not in love. with one of the other all these people. when Joe Biden was stepping down I love. him I love the man we shouldn't get out. of the news business stop that yeah you. know we shouldn't love our politicians.

we should be kicking the tires on our. politicians you know all of them Trump. too like if you're a fan at home you're. a voter that's one thing if you're a. member of the media that's not your job. you're not a cheerleader you're not. there to help him so I had a real. problem with with the fact that they all. sacrificed their objectivity to get him. you know to bring him down and despite. their personal beliefs like could never. check it it's fine to actually privately. root for somebody and want this.

candidate to win or that's. human but to show it to openly try to. make it happen every night on the air is. something very different and they. started doing it in 15 they declared. openly that they would now no longer be. objective that they would say Trump is a. racist Trump is a sexist Trump's an. islamophobe that's opinion that's your. opinion you're saying he's a racist. because you're also saying that he said. there are fine people on both sides at. the Charlottesville rally which is a lie.

so your first fact is based on a second. underlying faulty fact which makes you. wrong so you're much better off if. you're going to offer an opinion saying. it's an opinion in my opinion he's a. racist he's a sexist he's whatever. that's not what they were doing they. were reporting night after night that he. was these terrible things that he had. said these terrible things and they. continue to do it what's happening right. now with JD Vance is a good example of. it of course he had to be crucified. because he has too good a story with a.

working class Pennsylvania Michigan. Wisconsin are too important not to hurt. him Trump has to be kid gloved for a. little while cuz he just got his head. almost blown off would look bad but. here's this nice fresh meat who happened. to say some things that were provocative. on cable news about women get him. because we need women we're Democrats. that's how we get elected so unleash the. hounds he said this stuff what did he. say I went back we did a deep dive you. know what's happening when JD was saying. that.

[ __ ] it was there was a rising. conversation on the internet and. elsewhere around Mother's Day by these. leftists that we don't need children. more and more women are choosing not to. have them more and more women who have. them regret it deep thought pieces from. mothers on how they regret having their. children and how you really might want. to rethink your decision to have them at. all if you're somebody who hasn't and. you had AOC coming out there and saying.

it might be environmentally unsound and. irresponsible onethird of women pulled. said they felt the same according to Pew. research Is that real yes a rising tide. of children are bad they're. irresponsible and they ruin your life. around mother. so JD Vance goes out there and says. defensively these people are nuts they. sound like sociopaths we should not be. ruled by childless cat ladies who don't. think children are.

worthwhile and when pressed about like. he was making a point about they want. 16-year-olds to vote and he said if. we're going to give 16y olds the right. to vote then we should give their. parents a heavier weight to their vote. and the single people will have less of. a weight he said it was a thought. experiment it wasn't like I have a. policy proposal single people without. children shouldn't have their vote. counted as much as the married people. that's what happened with JD Vance he. was and he said I understand people who.

want kids and can't have them that's. tragic and my heart goes out to them and. you know a lot of people just can't do. it IVF whatever which I believe in but I. do think net net it's better to have. kids because I think it helps ground you. and it gives you a better P perspective. on life and your problems and especially. if you're going to run for office you. gives you something real that you can. think about and you have real skin in. the game in the future none of that is. controversial but you didn't get any of. that context the leadup how what he was. responding to or his Fuller explanations.

about what happen you just got he hates. people who don't have kids he wants to. make women have children that was an. actual headline that he wants to make. them. have so the media lies and in particular. they lie about Republicans and certainly. anyone who's a Maga Republican. mhm I mean. what is this the end of mainstream media. are we seeing its demise right now yes.

yes we're living in the end times. for corporate media I guess we call it I. don't they're not mainstream is it. mainstream to go out there every day and. say that guys should be allowed to punch. women in the face at the Olympics and. pretend they're women that's not. mainstream 70% more really but 70% of. the Americans ped say they don't want it. they don't want men in women sports or. boys and girl sports that's not. mainstream you and I are the mainstream. they're. not main is it mainstream to say open.

the borders and give amnesty to them all. like they're I hate that term because. it's just it's it's a misnomer but yes. we're living through their the end times. for them which is a glorious thing we. should be celebrating that that's one of. the few great things we have to think. about right now in public life. that and the Supreme Court are the two. things I wrap myself in like a blanket. when I go to bed at. night what do you think the final nail. in the coffin will. be if Trump wins again that'll be the.

end yes because they'll do the same. thing they did the first. time everything will be negative he will. be the devil. incarnate they will find their. oppositional you know media Roots again. which they totally forgot during the. Biden years hello we have a whole White. House Press court that didn't figure out. he was being visited regularly be by a. Parkinson's doctor do you think they'd. miss that with Trump In fairness to them.

Trump didn't put out his logs but my. point is they had no interest in finding. out anything bad about Joe Biden so I do. think they'll just drive more people. away but they're already dying like you. saw what happened when CNN tried to. launch its digital property it closed. within a month hundreds of millions of. dollars Clos within a month their. ratings right now in prime time they're. pulling in half a million I mean I know. you dwarf that in your numbers and I. certainly do as well um when I was in. prime time at Fox I was getting like 4.

million a night and like a million in. the demo sometimes well over that yeah. like CNN's never seen a million in the. demo unless like it's the Trump. assassination or some massing massive. breaking. news C CBS just fired they're saying she. quit but she obviously didn't um it's. main Evening News anchor nor odonnell. and they're replacing it now with like a. cast trying to look more like local news. they've been in third place forever. they're never getting out of it the. Today Show has their ratings are in the. basement they're pulling no numbers.

whatsoever they used to be a behemoth. that was where everyone wanted to work. it was like hash goals now they get. maybe one 14th of what they used to get. they make no news they're totally. irrelevant what what was the last news. Savannah Guthrie made. I have no idea of course you don't you. know what was the last news big. interview Robin Roberts had who knows I. don't ever watch it who has more. influence Wolf Blitzer or Ben Shapiro.

Ben Shapiro it's just a new. world so they they're well on their way. to the end of their kavorkian experience. Trump was the doctor but they're the. ones who hook themselves up to the. machine and they're almost gone. what do you think happens I mean does. does it just dissolve into nothing TV is. just done I don't know the answer to. that I I know the the almighty dollar. rules so if they're when they stop. making money off of these people they.

will shrink as they have been Mass. layoffs already uh and eventually. they'll have to find either a new model. or. close I would love to see it turn into a. resurrection of local news which is. important um you know reporting is. reporting is important we we need. journalists honest journalists sometimes. they do amazing things uh you know look. at the whole Boston um Catholic Church. Scandal that was amazing journalism and.

they we know about that story because of. those reporters so I don't want to see. it go away altogether and I do think. it'll reinvent as you know to steal a. line from Jurassic Park life finds a way. do you think it will be reinvented from. companies like CNN MSNBC fox or do you. think it'll be do you think it'll be. some of these. newer I think Fox is going to go away. because at some point Rupert's going to.

pass he's an old man and I have my. doubts about whether Lan really wants to. run a news channel you know I think he. really wanted to run the movie company. which then was sold to ABC and um I. think he was probably disappointed about. that I don't think he ever thought he. would be sitting at 121 6th Avenue and. Roger's old crappy office doing news and. indeed he's chosen not to do that so I. don't know not sure about what fox will. do once the succession kicks in it's not.

going to happen imminently but I think. eventually it goes away CNN they they've. got to be the closest to death because. they have no numbers. none doesn't matter who you put in there. doesn't matter whether they try to do. fair and balance now or not no one's. watching Jeff Zucker killed CNN and it. has not been able to. resurrect MSNBC I think they'll probably. hang on longer because there isn't. really a strong left-wing Eco Center.

outside of cable you know shows like. mine like they were born because. conservatives and just right leaning. Independence fair-minded Independence. needed Alternatives like they couldn't. get facts anymore on ABC on NBC on CBS. on CNN on MSNBC and even fox has its own. agenda as people have now seen so like. we had to rise up you know it's.

Darwinism um the left has it's choices. you know you could go hardcore left Ms. or soft. porn over at. CNN so they don't have as much of a as. robust a presence in our lane so I guess. that would suggest they'd hold on a. little bit longer but not CNN cuz it has. no numbers it's not a. business what do you what do you think. is going on in the.

world everything I mean you've been in. news for a long time you have a a great. pulse on everything that's. happening and I don't think we've ever. seen anything like this. ever well in our. lifetime I don't know I I'll tell you. this about me I don't really I'm not in. any way I don't have a conspiratorial. gene at. all and I am fairly optimistic in my.

world view so I may surprise you but I. think old patterns just repeat. themselves and we usually wind up okay I. think it has been worse than it is now. we've had two world wars and somehow we. found our way back to. stasis and you know right now we're not. we don't have thousands of troops over. in Iraq or they're getting bombed all. the time losing limbs we don't have.

anybody in. Afghanistan um those are good things. we're not living in a world where we're. worried about Bin Laden bombing us every. time we see the Evening News you know in. many ways things have gotten better than. they were 20 years ago. we're divided as a country for sure we. had a civil war once we're pretty. divided back then the media sucks the. media used to be 100%. partisan you you couldn't pick up a. paper and ask for just objective truth.

you only read what you wanted to read. that would reinforce your worldview and. then the other side did the same that's. how it used to be in. America it's okay if you read that. knowing what it is you can figure what. out what's what our founding fathers did. and so did a whole bunch of generations. that came after after them um the the. you know Europe it moves to the right. and then it moves to the left and then. it moves to the right then it moves to. the left net it's a left leftist kind of. place um America's not we're still more.

of a center right country we just have a. bunch of lunatics running right now that. have captured the left but they're. starting to get the cobwebs out of their. eyes the normies on the left the center. left you know you listen to. Carville we could work with him he's not. a nut he's going to vote Democrat he's. got the same principles that he used to. have and the left used to have I just. think they've gone so far there's.

no answer but to see things settle down. in a more normal Place America is normal. we're not crazy lunatics look at the. Midwest go visit the Midwest my two best. friends live there I see them all the. time they're normal one's very liberal. she's not woke she doesn't believe any. of this crap she can't believe what's. happening in the news when I tell. her too much proximity to the news can. actually drive you a little baddy and. you can think these problems are bigger. and more widespread than they. are so that may sound polyana is but I.

would bet on. us and I think we're actually living in. a relative time. of. stability this was mindblowing right it. is I. mean I see the stuff going on and it it. just it really bothers me I don't. know I I feel like I'm center of the.

road but lean. conservative but you know the last. couple. years I just I don't if you have if you. love kids if you you I I I just don't. know how you can go that way yeah at all. and it's. it's I mean how much of. that population how much of that uh left.

demographic. is is for the [ __ ] I I think it's a far. fewer number than they would admit I. think most of them are afraid how can. they how can they vote how can they vote. that way I mean most leftists vote for. abortion they're obsessed with abortion. on the left man that's a big issue for. them they love. abortion so that's their top priority. and they're voting based on that man. like what's happening to these kids I. know and and love bombing them into.

into the lgbq lgbtq lement op whatever. they're calling it today. I it's it's it's like a it's like a it's. like there's a recruitment going on on. yeah in school it's. groomy it's dark how can they like how. can you be for that [ __ ] how can you be. for maps yeah minor attracted persons. how can you how can you be for that do.

they are they uninformed do they not. know this is happening I think most. don't know about Maps that's how can. they walk around in their cities and see. what they've turned into well they know. they aren't they all come here to. Tennessee everybody every state I go to. every state we go to but you see Gavin. Nome cleaned up the homeless encampments. like that yeah you know xiin ping must. be coming to town yeah exactly but even. you know Oregon now is rethinking its. open air drug markets it's like they go.

so far left they eventually are forced. to correct I'm very worried about the. same things you're worried about I'm. definitely worried about the 10 million. plus illegals who are running around and. we don't know where they're from and. we're never going to get them out of. here especially if Trump. loses um but I'm deeply worried about. the children and the trans thing we are. we're this is like the time when we used. to lobotomize people who were a little. slow like we were lobotomizing people. who are just a little slow what a stain. on our record as Americans and on the.

medical community and we're kind of. doing that right now it's the same same. thing to children we're not lobotomizing. them but we're sterilizing them we're. chopping off their body parts we're. ending their sex life any chance at a. normal sex. life most people don't realize if you go. from puberty blockers to cross sex. hormones directly you're probably going. to be sterile and you'll never achieve. orgasm what in the actual and they want. to tell us that's informed consent that. a 12-year-old can. give it's barbaric it's.

evil so I too am very concerned about. these issues it's just that if I zoom. out I see positive trend lines in most. of these things I like the fact that. immigration is coming up as number one. on the leftists list of concerns now. not leftists but. liberals I like the fact that we're. pulling it over 70% on whether boy. should play in girl. Sports um I think things like what. happened at the Olympics will help.

because that's an international event. that everybody watches and this story. The Last Supper or a man beating sh. woman Christians will always be the uh. the group it's okay to bash at every. International Event but that's because. we don't run around murdering people. when you make fun of Jesus um no what. happened with the Trans boxer intersect. whatever it's man you have XY. chromosomes welcome to. manhood then they've done deep studies. on people with the XY who say they're. INX and it they have all the.

testosterone advantages that an actual. man with a penis and no female genitalia. which is a weird problem to have I all. sympathy to this person but too bad you. can't box with a women sorry you have a. testosterone advantage that's why you. got kicked out of the World. Championships last year and so did the. other guy it's just outrageous and I do. think that being such a public and. watched. event will help you know we still have. people like Megan rapino out there. saying it's not happening they're not. taking medals they're not endangering.

girls they're just not informed and they. just revert to their woke proper speak. we're not allowed to say anything bad. about the trans people she's so worried. about protecting the fake girls she's. forgotten about the real. ones so I mean the biggest thing right. now for people like you and me I think. is to just remind people that you it's. okay to speak up and you must it's okay. not to use their Force language on. pronouns and you must or you are part of. the problem and once you stand up once. you ask the question at your Schoolboard.

meeting or of your potential new school. principal or at your office or wherever. you're able to do it so many other. people will feel EMP empowered to do the. same they'll feel emboldened that. they're not alone and you'll get tons of. me too thank you for asking asking that. I loved your question and then you find. out oh my God it's okay to have this. opinion right now you're just told. you're not it's not okay to have that. opinion so that's starting you can talk. about this issue so much more freely. than you could three years ago thanks.

largely to Elon Musk God bless him and. his ownership of EX I realized so far. hasn't been a great financial deal for. him but he he deserves a Nobel Peace. Prize for what he's. done um so I see shoots of grass Sean. you know it's like I. don't I don't see us as a peak in the. problem I see us as like past Peak and. now on our way to solving it man I hope. you're right I'm a pessimist so so I.

just it it just but it just it just. bothers I think about it all the time. especially especially the maps the pedo. stuff that they're trying to. normalize and the and the and just the. kids man. like everybody says this you know but I. don't I don't I don't [ __ ] care what. you do as an adult if you want. to do that surgery then go ahead I could. care two shits don't care but an.

8-year-old an 8-year-old well on top of. that like you can do what you want as an. adult to your body stay out of my locker. room yeah stay out of my bathroom yeah. okay I'm not cool with it it's like you. want to do your thing and in your house. all right Kim Kardashian put a bunch of. fat in her ass it looks huge who am I. have judge people seem to like it yeah. there are people down in Texas in Texas. getting all their genitals removed and.

their belly buttons just like uh cyborg. I don't know they leave like one area. for you to do your business no. genitals great when good luck when did. this start happening as Joe Biden says. this is the one saying of his I like. good luck in your senior year. wow yeah so okay. but I'm sorry if you're a man you're not. coming into my private space period how. do these conversations even I can't even.

believe we're H every time I have this. conversation I can't believe I'm having. the [ __ ] conversation yeah where does. this [ __ ] stem from I mean that one is. it stems from sick men who like decided. to go into these space has decided that. they would exploit our empathy for a. very small section of the community. which legitimately is confused on gender. these people it's a teeny tiny amount. they've been around forever the vast. majority of them never bothered anybody.

you know like I actually I see Caitlyn. Jenner in this category who says they. always had this thing you know they made. a choice to live life as a man and then. kind of came to grips with this gender. identity crisis but Caitlin Jenner's not. trying to sneak into little girl spaces. now Caitlyn will admit that he used. female bathrooms and I think he still. used female bathrooms and I think he'd. be perfectly happy to sit here and. listen to why I object to that he's just.

so reasonable I think in in the way he. talks about this issue and I'm not. trying to be disrespectful by calling. Caitlyn he but I really think it's. critical it's not just a preference it's. critical that we do. it calling anybody. when it's a he makes you actually part. of the problem pronouns are Rohypnol. they dull your sentences to the problem. you cannot win an argument saying. he saying she needs to stay out of the. women's locker.

room so I don't know it's that it is. almost I've become almost a single-issue. voter on the trans thing now I I just. don't know you saw Jennifer Aniston. tweeted out about JD Vance's childless. cat lady comments I don't know if you. saw that she she came out and said oh. how could you hope your daughter never. needs IVF which you oppose lie he. doesn't oppose IVF he signed on to the. Ted Cruz ktie Brit Bill protecting it in. all 50 states.

um so she wanted to stand up for. childless cat ladies cuz she's one of. them what has she said about the women. what' she say about the girl who got her. face punched out by the man in the. boxing ring zero what has she said about. pton McNab who's suffering per permanent. nerve damage and brain damage from. getting hit so hard in the face in the. head by a volleyball player in North. Carolina nothing what she say about that. girl who got all of her teeth knocked. out in a field hockey game by a boy. pretending to be a girl on her team zero.

so I don't give a [ __ ] what she thinks. about JD Vance and childless cat ladies. she masquerades as some protector of. woman women she's quite the contrary. she's never stood up on any of these. issues this is the one she comes out on. you you don't want childless cat ladies. to be offended that's where you're going. to plant your. flag I I I have no tolerance for it. Hollywood is awful I can barely watch. their products anymore because they have. it's not even no morality they've really.

crossed over to evil in a lot of their. beliefs yeah I think they're on their. way out. too see that's true man my kids are. going to I don't I don't even know what. the hell they're going to watch or do at. this point but the Darwinism thing will. will save it do you feel like any of. this is uh biblical at. all I'm not there yet no I don't know I.

don't I just just don't think about the. world in those. terms I don't think so I just think. we've been through worse we've done. worse to each other even than. this how was your faith Journey going. it's doing okay I put the annulment. papers to the side for now really I'm. going to pick them back. up but it was bothering me so much I. just decided to table it I watched a.

clip of you and I think he was a bishop. asking. about the middleman and the the yeah the. answer seemed to be trust the. process well all my Catholic viewers are. say the same right and then people who. are not Catholic are like you don't need. the. middleman I did have somebody make me. make a good point to me about in favor. of the. middleman what I'm stewing on which.

was it was a priest who said to a friend. of mine people complain why do I have to. deal with the middleman I want to get an. analment or I I just want my divorce to. be recognized by God I don't want to. have to do anything actually after I've. done the legal thing and he said but. those same. people if a family member is dying I'm. their first call to get in there and. give last. rights and that's.

true you know my sister died two years. ago and when that priest came in there. to give her the last. rights it was an important moment I was. relieved he was there. and I've never said so many Hail mares. you know right in a row it was it was. intense so maybe it's just the way I've. been raised you know my Catholic. background he's not wrong the middleman. was important to me in that moment and I.

believed so that kind of opened the door. back up to me just seeing it through you. know I don't nothing harmful I think. will come from seeing it. through something could potentially. harmful happen if I don't see it through. and I'm wrong. that I'm already absolved right like. what if I'm not absolved and I actually. do need I don't know these are the. thoughts you go through because you got. these crazy messages being handed to you. by religious.

figures but I that sounds crazy right. that I would need a man to tell me I'm. good with God after having a divorce. that was totally legal and finding a new. man who I love and making three children. and living in love and harmony with all. of us sounds crazy that I would need. anybody to pass any judgment on that but. you know we're all raised with these. beliefs it it's it's a form of. indoctrination right you go every Sunday. and you hear the same messaging and you.

go to Sunday school and then you go to. you know confirmation and CCD all the. stuff and it's very hard to just say. well that no longer works for me so I. reject it it's baked in. there yeah I get it have you read the. whole Bible no me neither I've listened. to Bible in a year a couple times I. don't think that. counts father Mike. uh y I've listened to it I don't think. it says anything in there about a.

middleman ever I think you're right I. think that's that's a. man-made. creation I hope my priest doesn't watch. this what if he watches it then he says. reject it when I submit the papers oh. crap I don't know it's like back to our. earlier discussion I have every belief. in God and in higher power and in. something more for us on the other side.

and on the last side you know before we. got here as I. said I just haven't figured out how I. interact with it what's really required. of me have you ever heard of John. Burke no he wrote. uh he wrote great now I'm going to have. a brain fart um. he wrote a book about NES about what NES. near death experiences love those.

books wow he wrote a book called imagine. heaven and I and I cannot remember the. the the big one that he wrote but it's. all about NES and he went all around the. world and he interviewed over 1,500 UND. people from from different countries. different religions all about their. near-death. experiences and puts together all the. commonalities it.

is I interviewed them because I'm I'm. digging I want to know yeah and. uh you know the one common thing that. happens to all of them is. they get the opportunity to accept. Christ even if they don't. believe and. um and uh I guess the only reason I'm. even bringing this up is that it may be.

something you want to look into because. um he just has. a an amazing way of describing all these. experiences putting the commonalities in. right in front of you and he even talks. about people that have hellish he calls. them hellish near-death experiences. where they actually go to hell and. everybody gets the. opportunity. to accept Christ wow I will read that I.

love those stories I did a lot of those. stories when I was at NBC and they were. always stunning you would just not be. able to move afterward and it's always. somebody who didn't believe you know. before for it a scientist a. doctor it's amazing to listen to those. stories um I guess like when I'm. listening to you and father Mike is. Catholic you know he he definitely urged. me to get the.

analment. um I'm a rule follower in general like I. I don't like people telling me what to. do but once there's a rule I generally. follow. it you know and so I wrestle with that. it's like this is the rule if you I like. it to be clean it'll be all clean if I. get an. annulment it will be clean and I. can make sure every all the boxes are. checked that I need checked that these.

authority figures have told me must be. checked and I realized this is not. exactly freeth thinking but back to the. earlier Point there's a reason for that. there you know belief in many ways is. not freeth thinking you know you we just. the acceptance of God could be mocked as. it is by people like Bill Maher and. others is like crazy talk so if you. start to go down that lane you know what. else gets thrown out the window what. else is silly that you believe like I.

just I'm really kind of. stuck so I've decided to hold like I. said and not right now I just kind of. see it as like the one way has no. disadvantages and the other way might. unless unless I read your book and it. tells me I get a second chance to clean. it up at the end it's already been it's. already. cleansed that's the whole thing about. Jesus he's cleansed us all already he.

knows we're all. [ __ ] and he's already forgiven us. all you have to do is accept him that's. that's it that's all you got to. do but then and stop going to Catholic. M oh no I'm not trying to get you to. stop going to Catholic well but I mean. that's what would continue happening and. I would feel you know you're not. supposed to take communion you're not. allowed to give. confession um there are all sorts of.

rules that you're supposed to comply. with over there or just be a. sinner wait over where in the Catholic. chur cath Church yeah yeah there are a. lot of rules it's not a religion for. wusses I was there you were I was out. you gave it a try oh no I was raised. Catholic oh oh I was raised Catholic and. uh and then and then I lost it but uh I. I didn't lose I just lost faith you know.

after I just wasn't a great person uh. the SEAL Teams will do that to you but. um but I found it. and you know I found it again and then. man I just love I just love exploring it. without the rules because it just man it. just opens you up to so much more and. and uh I don't know I just want that for. you yes it sounds.

amazing you know. you probably gleaned from the way I talk. about like my approach to my business. and my. life it's definitely more me to say. these are the five things that need to. get done and I will get them done I'll. get them done better than anybody will. get them done I will out hustle. everybody else's. inment right stupid it's just my. general default makeup right. like going like taking it easy on myself.

and letting. myself kind of off the hook doesn't. sound like me how would you be letting. yourself off the. hook like I don't have to go through the. shame and the hassle and the. difficulty of getting the. annulment what does that entail you have. to confess like very Intimate Secrets of. your life and your marriage your first. marriage to a stranger I mean and you. have to write tons of stuff and you have.

to give witnesses to write in about your. marriage you have to dredge up all this. stuff my poor ex-husband had to be. brought into it too he was fine he was. cool with that he was you know on board. but I just feel like wow they really. make you work for it and then you may or. may not get. it what if you don't get it what happens. then I'm definitely going the other. route I'm going full bore I'm gonna get. father Mike on and we are having it. [Laughter].

out I don't know I just uh I just can't. trust religion I can't trust it I have. to say it's. like I think the relationship is between. me and God me and Christ and all these. other places whether it's the Episcopal. church or the Catholic church or the. Evangelical Church are just vehicles to. help me Express and be in the. relationship it's just like the. scaffolding so.

I I don't I guess I just don't ask. questions like that I never have up. until I bumped. into the feelings I was having when I. had to comply with some of the more I. think ridiculous rules you know as I. said I'm not devout so I don't comply. with a lot of the other rules I do eat. meat on Fridays during Lent I just don't. think I'm going to get punished for that. like things like that I'm not that. observant I go to mass I believe I'm.

raising my children Catholic. but the. scaffolding has been non objectionable. to me for most of my life it's only now. that it's becoming objectionable and so. that's leading me to figure some things. out right like I told you I I tried some. different scaffolding over at the. Episcopal church and that didn't go well. mhm um we went to a Methodist Church in. Manhattan it was like a variety show. that didn't that was a no might have. just been the place we went because the. pastor had blue hair and and Mohawk I.

was like what's happening. interesting have you I mean have you. noticed this wave of Christianity. just moving across the globe here have. you seen did you see the party the the. party at what was it I think it was. Georgia. State it looked like a it was all these. kids. tailgating at a football game. and I mean it looked wild it looked wild.

they did a big story on it wait were. they they were getting baptized in the. back of trucks like hundreds maybe. thousands of kids W what no I have not. seen this you haven't seen that no it's. it looks it's just awes it's cool to see. wow thank God praise God but that's the. solution you've got that you've got all. these people coming out all of a sudden. getting baptized with with with with.

massive audiences I mean. it's I see it all the time and uh I. don't know that's I'm kind of I guess. I'm kind of going back. to sometimes I just think some of the. things that we're saying as it's big. look it's. biblical in what way well I mean I think. it's I think it's interesting that the. letter head on the the the the Biden's. letter to trans visibility day on Easter.

you know that was what that was. implemented what 9 years ago or. something and it just fell on Easter but. they still put the Easter eggs and the. Easter Bunny in the letterhead the. mocking of the Last Supper that we just. saw at the Olympics. the wave of Christianity like I'm. talking about the. the dismembering kids the confusion of. genders all these I just look at all. these things and I don't remember I mean.

it's like I was saying earlier we just. have never seen anything like this and. it makes me wonder what we're actually. up against but what's the end conclusion. of that what's the end conclusion yeah. like. so well end times are here oh I don't. know. maybe like where does that assumption. that this is biblical take. you yeah it takes me there it takes me. to this is good versus.

evil I'm using that word more than I. ever have in my. life it takes me to good versus evil I. don't know if it's end times I mean I do. know that people have thought that you. know throughout history that it's end. times and then hasn't been. but there sure seems to be a lot of. signals happening I think we need to. make the studio. brighter you come it's beautiful but you. you're in the dark room too much yeah.

you might be. right put some windows in it's good the. children are good that's a plus you the. grass is good I sound like. JD um your wife is good like the. when you start to feel like that I I. think it's That's not healthy thinking. like that's that's a dark place to be. and it's it's just too overwhelming you. can't do anything if it's biblical what. can you do somebody else is totally in. charge and it's not going to end well or. will if you're a Believer but.

anyway my my son thater was asking the. other day he goes what when Jesus comes. back does that mean we all die those of. us who are like alive and here we die so. we shouldn't be rooting for him to come. back soon right like it's a good. question it's kind of. complicated but I think let's let's. fight the fights we can fight let's. manage these things one thing at a time. let's not take on biblical it's too big. and daunting we can speak out about the.

trans Insanity we can encourage people. to find faith and to do the baptisms in. the back of the truck or wherever is. necessary we can speak up against the. things that we know are wrong like. bringing all these illegals over who are. going to hurt Americans and take lives. and then let other people see that it's. okay to talk about these things in yeah. harsh terms to make their point elect. the right people we can even take. electoral losses like we potentially. could suffer this year God forbid I mean. God forbid I had to say it but and and.

find some good in it remember that the. country was never so woke as when Trump. was in office it gets more woke when. they have him him as an adversary I'm. not rooting for this I'm just saying. there will be a a silver lining that we. can focus on and exploit if things go. that. way there are things that you can do and. I think that's the key to. [Music]. staying Okay and like. well otherwise it's just too too.

overwhelming well I'll take that advice. I'll lighten it up in here a little bit. but um well Megan we're wrapping up the. interview and um I think it's good to. leave it on a positive note so and I. like I said I'm a pessimist so I can go. down the negative road but uh one last. question okay if you had three guests to. recommend for my show who would they be. three guests well you've probably done. all my favorite military guys I'm going.

to it's likely yeah I'm going to go. ahead and guess that. um. H Kelly J. Keen she's a Brit she's a warrior on the. trans stuff she's been everywhere she. has these rallies they throw tomato. juice all over her they attack her she's. been punched in the face by all these. trans Insanity. people and she just keeps going she's.

totally opened my eyes on it and so. she's lived an interesting life and. she's right in the heart of battle and. we'll really open your eyes on a lot of. the stuff like she's been studying a lot. longer than like we have so I would I. would vote for. her um you already did Tucker but he's a. great interview as you know. fascinating um have you done Trump no. would you would you want to do Trump.

I've been trying to get. Trump that would be a great one for. you um trying to think of like which. guests align. with your mission. H now I'm realizing how many shallow. people I. know positive note yeah yeah I.

think what about father Mike schmidtz. now that we're talking about it I would. definitely interview him he'll do. it he's cool he's so relatable and he's. got real life experience. we call him father what aast cuz he's a. very good-looking guy I know that's not. important to you but you know wouldn't. be bad to sit across from him from for a. few. hours he's thoughtful and reflective and. you could have this conversation with. somebody who actually knows what they're. talking about see if you might maybe.

maybe that's the reason we're together. maybe you need to have that conversation. with him not to bring you back into the. Catholic fold but just to offer you know. some. insights I would love to do that this is. this may be a little out there but have. you ever talked to Charlie Kirk no all. right let me tell you why I I like. Charlie he's a whipper snapper he's like. in his young. 30s he is loathed by most establishment.

Republicans I know because they're a lot. of all my friends and every time he. comes on they're like e we hate him I. love him he's really loed by the left. didn't go to college was Don Jr's bagman. like assistant in 2016 no kidding. started Turning Point. USA and now he's a. juggernaut he is hosting conference. after conference to generate enthusiasm. amongst young people for conservative.

values and letting them know they're not. alone he knows Trump like a trump. Whisperer he can explain all things. Trump to you he's got a great sense of. humor and an encyclopedic. memory and he's in the Lion's Den all. the time like fighting these wars and. not giving two FS what people say about. him and he's on to the next big thing. he's tireless he never takes a vacation. he never never gives up if if he's Delta. blow it doesn't seem to land in his mind.

and he's damn entertaining like the way. he talks about the news he makes me. laugh he makes me think he says exactly. the thing I wanted to say but I didn't. know I want to say it until he had said. it and I love talking to him so there. you go well thank you there's a variety. sorry that took so much thinking I was. really just trying to curate my list for. people you would actually enjoy I. appreciate that well Megan um thank you. for coming down and and sharing your. story and and um I'm just so happy that.

we connected and and once again um I. just want to say thank you for being a. beacon of light for young women today. that's extremely important and uh very. Noble thanks for having me it's been a. true pleasure thank you that's the love. I appreciate. [Music].

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