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[music]. Megan, Kelly, >> Sean, >> welcome back. >> It's great to be here. You've upgraded. >> It's a minor upgrade. >> It's amazing. Good for you. I'm so proud. of you. >> Well, I appreciate that. >> Yeah. I just feel like you've made it. >> It feels good. >> It should. You earned it. >> Feels good to give my team this, too. It's a pretty cool spot. >> I can't get over how many great people. you have here. like kind, competent, cool. I don't know how you find them.

all, but God bless you. Bless you and. bless them, too. [sighs]. >> It's amazing team. A lot of them been. here since the beginning, but uh. >> it takes an amazing team. I I feel the. same like people, they don't give the. team enough credit. They see you or they. see me, they think we're everything. We're like one small cog in the wheel. >> The bigger that the bigger it gets, the. harder it is to trust [laughter] trust. anybody to bring in. >> Yeah. at all. >> No, same. I mean, I most of the people. who work for me have been with me for 10. years plus.

>> Like my assistant been with me 17 years. My top editorial producer, uh, we call. her Canadian Debbie because she moved to. damn Canada. She's been with me since. 2007, since my very first show at Fox. She was my very first line producer. >> Wow. >> She's chief of editorial content for me. So, she knows what I want to cover. In. other words, you know, and she'll. coalate the news for me. >> Nice. Well, I don't even know where to start. >> There's a lot to go over. >> I mean, >> a lot's happened since we last chatted.

[laughter]. >> Yeah, a lot's happened, >> man. Like, whoa. Total 180. >> Yeah. >> New war. >> Yeah. >> Threatening pretty much everybody, including Americans. It's just like, what the [ __ ] is going on, man? >> Yeah. No, it's incredibly disappointing. Um there's just no two ways about it. I. just feel like Republicans in general. are bummed out right now. Whereas a year. ago, two years ago, they were excited,

they were optimistic, they felt hopeful, and now it's like it's starting to feel. like welcome to the new boss. Same as. the old boss. >> Yeah, it uh. it sure doesn't seem like they're hiding. anything anymore. I don't think Trump feels any need to, you know. I mean, I think. second term post assassination attempts, he's like, "How you like me now?". >> What do you think of those assassination. attempts?

>> What do you mean? Do I think they were. >> Which one? [laughter] Um, yeah. Do you. think they're What do you think? >> I think they were genuine. I think you. think they're legit. >> Yeah. I mean, I look at what happened in. Butler. It's like. >> Corey Comparator is dead. you two other. individuals were seriously wounded. Um. there was there's no question that a man. got on top of a roof and took shots at. Trump and others and killed at least one. man. Um whether somebody else had. something to do with it,

>> that's more what I mean. >> Yeah. I I don't think we're ever going. to know that. I I hate to sound so. fatalistic, but I just feel like we're. never going to know. No one's ever going. to really investigate and they're going. to get away with the various things that. they've tried to if not cover up just. keep our noses out of, you know, but I. don't really have reason to believe that. Butler was orchestrated by anyone in. particular because I haven't seen any. evidence of it. You know, the closest. I've seen is Tucker got his hands on the.

guy's social media as did Miranda Divine. and one other person and did some. reporting on how he was he hated the. left, then he hated the right. That's. when Trump got swooped in and was. sounding kind of disaffected and then. had some weird social media contacts or. interactions and then things went dark. And I think this is what's led people to. say who swooped in and manipulated him. MK Ultra style. That's a fine. I'm fine. with that question. But there's been.

zero evidence that anyone actually did. that. Like the the whole theory stops. there because we don't have anything. else past that point. >> For the life of me, I just can't. understand why you would cut the. investigation into your own. assassination attempt. >> I Yeah. Well, and he would say he. hasn't. And Cash Patel would say that. hasn't happened. Joe Cout would say. otherwise and has been for a long time. >> And not just that one. Um the guy who ran into the White House. correspondents dinner. I What even was. that? It was like a desperate cry for.

attention. You was that like a real. assassination? Like is that the dumbest. plan for a presidential assassination. ever? You're going to run through reams. of secret service and ball gown wearers. to try to make your way up to the deas. to take a shot at him. I like I don't. know what that guy was. I think he was. radicalized by the online community, which happens with a lot of these. people, but that just felt like, okay, I'm I'm underwhelmed. Um, so I I I don't. have it a difficult time believing that.

people genuinely want to assassinate. Trump and that the attempts are. increasing because we live in an. increasingly uh violent world where. political violence and assassination is. now getting normalized and celebrated in. more and more corners. So, they think. they have a chance to seem like a hero. if they do it. >> I don't know. I I just I don't know. I I. don't know what to think about anything. anymore, to be honest with you. >> Yeah. I the the biggest takeaway of like. the news cycle over the past year has.

been none of none of us knows anything. about anything. >> I think the one thing that I'm the most. concerned about is Israel. >> Yeah. You're not allowed to be that. You're an. anti-semite. Well, [laughter]. I don't know what to Yeah. All right, cool. >> That's how it's gone, right? It's like a. lot of us have had our eyes open on. Israel. And then you learn quickly after. you're you're not allowed to have them. open. You're not allowed to ask those. questions. You're not allowed to have.

those doubts. And if you do, your whole. life is about to change. >> I see that. I've seen that with a couple. of you guys. A lot of you guys. I don't know how you guys handle all the. attacks. >> Well, >> it looks like you're having fun with. them to be to be honest with you. >> It depends on the day. You know, some. days you're like, "Oh my god." Right? And you laugh and other days it's, you. know, you get a slew of like legit death. threats and you think, "Well, this isn't. great." Um, so I wouldn't describe it as.

fun, but it's just part of the job. You. know, it's. I've been called everything. I've been. attacked as being all the absolute worst. things you can be. And you know, if. you're going to let outside attacks. define you in your own head, you're in a. lot of trouble. You're not going to last. in this business. So, you do have to get. a thick skin and sort of shrug it off. and either say, "I am the worst person. to ever live. I mean, I'm all the I'm I. must be I'm a racist and I'm a a bigot.

and I'm a transphobe and I'm a xenophobe. and I'm an Islamophobe and I'm an. anti-semite. Oh, and I'm pro pedophile. and I'm all the things. Either all I'm. all those things. >> Pro pedophile. I haven't heard that one. >> Yeah. Yeah, that was what they said. because I said that technically Jeffrey. Epstein didn't meet the definition of. pedophile, which is interest in. prepubescent children. Um that that a. person who worked for him had told me. that that that wasn't what he was into. He was into more like the 15 16 year old. types. And of course, my detractors ran.

with it were like, "She's justifying. pedophilia.". >> Did see that? >> No. No. There's a there's a legal. definition of that term and it's. generally they put the number at 13. pre13. >> We're more in like the you know Michael. Jackson field. I've been doing a deep. dive on him. >> allegedly reportedly. >> You've been doing a deep dive on Michael. Jackson. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Why? >> Well, that new biopic has earned almost. a billion dollars in a month. >> Well, I don't even know what you're. talking about. huge movie out right now. called Michael and it's been put out by.

the Jackson Estate and it stars his. nephew Jafar Jackson, the son of. Germaine, Michael's older brother, as. Michael and he's amazing. He he looks. just like him only better looking and. he's got the dance moves and he. practiced the voice and he sounds just. like him and there's a familiar a. familial connection so it. >> it sells, you know, mannerisms and so. on. They're they're there in a subtle. way. and all it does is chronicle the rise of.

Michael Jackson from childhood to 1987. which is 6 years before the first child. molestation scandal. So it's sort of. clean. You know, you can enjoy this. great American success story the way you. could enjoy a story about Steve Jobs or, you know, Bob Dylan. M. >> um and it just kind of lobbs off what. happened after 1987, which would include. multiple people accusing him of child. molestation. They did it for a reason.

They they originally had a piece on the. end of it that addressed the scandal and. tried to dismiss it, >> but then somebody called to their. attention that they had signed a bunch. of non-disclosure agreements, mutual. non-disclosure agreements with his. accusers, which barred not only the. accuser from speaking, but the Michael. Jackson estate. >> Holy [ __ ] And I just covered this same. type thing with Canakook. Did you hear. about Canook, the big Christian camp? >> No, >> we're pretty much done now. But yeah, they there was a bunch of sexual abuse,

like really bad [ __ ] like reading. reading scripture over kids while. they're molesting them, like all that. kind of stuff. So, and they were having. then they would settle with the with the. kid's parents and the kid could never. talk about it again. So, we blew the. doors off in here with uh Elizabeth. Phillips, whose [clears throat] brother. committed suicide because he signed one. of those. >> Oh gosh. >> NDAs. >> If you want to find a pedophile, go. where children are. >> Yeah. >> Um that's the problem is that they.

they're always it's never like this, you. know, cloakwearing dirty guy in the. park. It's somebody who. looks pretty good. It is usually very. good with kids. >> No record, >> right? totally likable, warm, the one. you'd least suspect. and they will but. they will always be in a field where. they have access to children whether. it's forgive me boy scout leaders now. just like so tired and worn but it's. true that it's why a lot of them went.

there into the cub scout leadership. ranks um churches of course not great um. schools also you know as I told the. story but like when my um my one son was. going off for like his fourth grade. field trip all the other moms were like. have a great time honey they were. spending a couple nights overnight with. teachers and uh I was like, "Look out. for the molesters." [laughter]. >> Oh man. >> Looks back at me and I was like, "It'll. be someone you trust.". >> Oh my gosh. I think I mean that's a good.

I I don't think many people think like. that. You know, we I've done a bunch of. these now cuz it's the thing that I'm. most passionate about cuz I I think you. could have a real impact there unlike. politics. And um. but everybody always gets mad at the. institution that we're talking about, the church in that particular instance, that the Christian camp, and they don't, you know, it's like tear it down. And. it's it's like, yeah, let's tear it. down. But most of these people have not. been caught.

>> and they're just going to flood into the. next thing. >> Yeah. you know, whether that's a daycare. or gymnastics or cheerleading camp or. boy scouts or whatever whatever it is, a. doctor, pediatrician, >> a spokesman for a Subway company, Subway. Sandwiches, you know, like that. Jared. is the one of the most perverted people. I've ever actually covered. I mean, we. interviewed the woman who worked with. the FBI to get him on tape. You remember. the Jared, the subway guy, right? and uh. she got him on tape talking about how to.

groom her own children for him. She. wasn't really going to give him her. children. She was working with the FBI. But how and this is how they do it like. talk dirty to them like raise. inappropriate subject matters with them. so that it will be less jarring when I. do it when I get there. That this is how. they do it. So, this is why, you know, all these leftist, you know, submissions. to our children's libraries really do. matter in trying to take the guard down. on discussing anal sex. Like, it's a no. >> Yeah. >> Like, what are you priming them for? But.

the Michael Jackson case is very, very. compelling because he's one of our. greatest stars. We all feel extremely. proud of him. Literally, everybody who's. accused him has had their hand out. So, it really complicates it. like is this. about money or is this about justice for. something terrible that was done? >> Most of them have grifter parents. So. you're like I mean I think that's why. the one criminal case that was brought. against him in 2005 he was acquitted. because the mother of the boy was awful.

and took the stand and nobody liked her. Uh in two in 1993, the first case that. came out against him, the um mother was. upset to find out her son had slept in. the same bed as Michael Jackson, she was. in another room, but suddenly felt a lot. better about it when Michael bought her. a Cardier bracelet. So that's how these cases have gone. And. it's left people with enough room to. say, "Eh, I don't know. Like, I love him. and I love the music and I want to.

celebrate him as an American icon." And. these people seem grifter. um versus like the cold hard facts which. include as I just learned through a. Colette article. I interviewed the guy. who wrote it when they raided Michael. Jackson's home in 1993 in connection. with the first allegation brought. against him that did not result in. criminal charges because the family took. a $20 million settlement and went away. and wouldn't cooperate with the cops. But in that case, there was a search. warrant for his home. They went into his.

home and in a locked box in his bedroom. found two pedophile books from the. Nambla, the North American Manboy Love. Association. >> Oh my god. >> It's another word for pedophiles. And they were full of naked pictures of. boys. Like really graphic naked pictures. of boys. That's what Michael Jackson had. in his own bedroom in a locked file.

There's no one who's not a pedophile who. has that. And one of them had his his. own handwriting in it, saying something. to the effect of, "What could be more. joyful than these beautiful boys?". >> Oh my god. >> So, there's no question he knew it was. there. He had handled it. He had looked. at it. And then there was another boy. whose fingerprints were found in Michael. Jackson's room on a barely legal hustler. magazine. And they found the boy's at. least two boys fingerprints on it. So at.

a minimum proves he was showing porn to. boys in his room. Anyway, those are. facts that are really tough to deal. with. >> Oh man. >> Yeah. Anyway, so that's my. >> the victims come out. >> Have any of the victims come out? >> Multiple. But everyone is compromised, for example, the two that were featured. in the Leaving Neverland documentary. that came out in 2019 about him. You. know, because he had that what happened. was there was the kid in '93 who took a. $20 million settlement and went away. There was the kid in 2005 who did wind.

up in front of the cops, though that. wasn't the first move. Um, who had a. whole trial, but the mother had taken. like she was awful and on the stand it. made it was pretty clear she was a. grifter. Um, and so he was acquitted. And then there were reportedly multiple. payouts over the years that he kept. quiet. His mother reportedly said to. Latoya Jackson, "I've seen the checks. There are a lot of them. There's another. report that by Diane Diamond, journalist.

who used to work for Hard Copy that and. she was integral to the whole Michael. Jackson reveal. She actually had gotten. lots of tips about him, including from. Division of Child and Family Services. She she kind of broke this whole case. open back in the '90s, but she had. reported that at least 200 million had. been paid out by him to keep people. quiet. >> Wow. Wow. >> Summer always throws your routine off. more travel, later nights, longer days, and you're not always eating the way you.

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kit with your first AG1 subscription in. $82 value. That's drinkaggone.com/srs. >> All right, [music]. quick Q&A from uh my Patreon audience. This is from RM Megan. Do you think. anyone, including Massie, will actually. expose the Epstein [music] names? >> Yes, I think Massie will do it. >> What do you think happens after he does. it? >> I think some people will lose their jobs.

and there could be potential. prosecutions. I think it'll follow. course to what we've seen with the. limited disclosure [music] so far, though mostly in the UK. What do you. think is the best way to seek truth. about what is currently going on in the. world and how should we protect. ourselves from this psychological. warfare? >> I mean, I [music] think we need to elect. non- elites. I think we need to elect. like the farmers of the world, the. people who didn't seek office as [music]. soon as they got out of college.

Yeah. So, but the ones we know about are. the 93, the 2005, then the 2019. documentary. I use that term very. loosely because it wasn't. But that's. where Wade Robson and James Safechuck. who had been child prodigies around. Michael one had been in a commercial. with him had won a dance contest as a. lookalike who danced just like him and. then got folded into his inner circle. They came out after years of defending. him. Wade Robson took the stand at his. trial and said absolutely not as a kid. James Safechuck I think gave a. deposition in the case but didn't take.

take the witness stand at trial and said. absolutely not. Never. McCaulay Kulkin. took the stand at his trial and said. absolutely not. Emanuel Lewis who played. Webster on that Smash series. >> He didn't take the stand, but he said I. think but he said he says to this day. not a finger. Absolutely not. He's never. touched me. >> Well, so that's four I just named. Two. out of the four maintain their stories. to this day. There's a third who's same. He took the stand and said never. And. that guy too, he maintains the story. never. But two of the ones, Safechuck.

and Robson, in the 2019 documentary, [snorts] changed their story 180 and. said he was molesting me the whole time. That was three or four years after they. had both filed a civil lawsuit against. the estate for money. Why did they file. a civil lawsuit in 2013 or 14 or 15 in. that time frame? The estate had started. making money again. It was all but. destitute when Michael died. He had paid. out a lot of money. He was in serious. debt. his brand was no longer good. People were like, "Yeah, you're gross.

We believe what's happened." And um he. really was the estate was literally. valued at zero, reports the news. >> Serious? >> Yeah. When he died. But. the lawyer in whose hands he left the. estate management uh who's featured in. this biopic Brona is his name. decided to gamble with a cirle Michael. Jackson production and then Michael. Jackson the Broadway musical and both. were hits and have been making real cash.

and they realized there's actually still. a market for Michael Jackson. People. want to celebrate his music and his. dancing and his amazing accomplishments. And they're able to do it without. thinking about the artist versus the. art. >> Damn. >> And then came the biopic and it's. already made almost a billion dollars in. a month and they have a round two ready. to go. So people are starting to come. out of the woodwork with their hands. out. >> A billion dollars in a month. >> Yes. >> Holy [ __ ].

Wow. Well, I had no idea any of that was. happening. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know. To me, the legal. stuff is always very interesting. And. it's I'd rather talk about that these. days than politics. Politics is so. depressing. Not that that story is. uplifting, but at least it's interesting. because there's a mystery to solve about. someone we all have feelings about. >> Mhm. >> You know, people Everybody has a feeling. about Michael Jackson. >> Yeah. And he's an interesting,

fascinating person with a weird 4-in. eyelashes and the nose. >> Couple of minor surgeries. >> Yeah. >> But wow. Let me give you an. introduction, even though you don't need. one. You ready? >> Sure. >> Megan Kelly, you spent 13 years at Fox. News and moderated multiple presidential. debates, including the first Republican. primary debate in 2015. You're the. founder of Devil May Care Media and host. of the Megan Kelly Show, one of the top. podcasts in the country. Your memoir,

Settle for More, debuted at number one. on the New York Times bestseller list. Over your career, you've interviewed. world leaders, presidents, athletes, entertainers, and some of the most. influential figures on the planet. From. Vladimir Putin and Benjamin Netanyahu to. Donald Trump and Joe Biden. Recently, you found yourself at the center of. criticism from parts of the conservative. media and even from President Trump. himself over your coverage of the. growing tensions surrounding Iran and. America's roles overseas. Welcome back.

to the show. >> Great to be here. >> Great to have you. And you know, everybody gets a gift. Same gift as last time. Vigilance legal. >> Yeah. Nice. >> Legal in all 50 states. >> Thank you very much. I'll hide it from. the children. >> You're welcome. >> Awesome. >> But um yeah, we have a whole I want to. talk about Massie, all the attacks. Trump's done on you, Ben Shapiro, Mark.

Leven, your best friend, the the uh. >> I have a different name for him. >> I heard micro penis. Good one. um the [clears throat] soldiers or the. soldier that uh got busted with the poly. market stuff which I think he was only. you know doing what these guys set the. example of uh the Iran war Canada's oil. pivot. Do you know about this? >> No. What are they doing? >> They've pivoted away from us. We'll dig. we'll get into it. They're now selling.

what 900 I think 900 almost a million. barrels a day to. China. the diversify away from us, the. petro dollar, >> lots of [ __ ] AI, Cuba, [laughter]. >> we'll see what we get into. Okay, >> but first off, what what what do you. what does the massie what does that race. mean for us? I mean, I thought that guy. was going to win in a landslide. >> Yeah, I wasn't surprised he lost. Um,

really? >> Yeah, they just spent so much money to. try to defeat him. Normally, they spend. like $500,000 in these races. If they. spend 500, it's a lot. And this one was. $30 million piled against him by the. Israel lobby. >> Yeah. Apex literally bragging about it. on X. >> Yeah. Yeah. They're really proud of. themselves. Um they got him fired for. Israel. I mean, I guess it's not as bad. as getting our guys killed for Israel. Um. >> Well, that's next. >> Yeah, it's happening. Um I wasn't. surprised. I I I think that one's slightly more.

complicated than than some would have. you believe because I do think Trump's. been gunning for him for a while because. he hasn't been fully supportive of the. Trump agenda. >> Mhm. >> You know, but the thing that's annoying. and even before he crossed Trump on. Epstein, which I think is really what. did it, uh he hadn't supported Trump's. big one big beautiful bill, you know, he. doesn't like spending that's not paid. for. The Republican party used to feel. that way. You know, this whole thing.

came to life in 2010 called the Tea. Party based on exactly that principle. And they used to govern that way on Team. Red. And then once they saw the. Democrats getting away with, you know, out-of- pocket spending that wasn't. justified or paid for and this sort of. new theory of economics that you could. get away with that, they jumped on board. fully because Trump has been the only. Republican president since Obama and he. loves to spend. He's just as much of a. spend thrift as anybody on the left. And. so now these Republicans in Congress who. used to be more like, "Hey, no, no, we.

have to have just justification for it. and we have to pay for it." Completely. abandoned that, gave Trump his blank. checks, were, you know, we'll never pay off the debt that the. country is paying ever. Our children, our grandchildren, I don't know what's. going to happen. It's much more likely. we'll face some sort of a bankruptcy as. a country unless we can somehow get. these AI companies to take on our debt. They're the only ones who could afford. it. Um, and. >> did you come up with that? get the AI. companies. >> That's my idea. Yeah. >> How the hell why would they do that? >> I don't know. Because we'll let them.

develop their product. >> Like, they're the only only ones who can. afford it. They actually could get us. out of this jam and maybe maybe we can. use it to at least save America and our. balance sheet. But in any event, Massie. was one of the guys who held firm on the. spending and said, "I'm not voting for. spending that's not paid for. You know, that we can't offset some someplace. There's enough debt." And that's why he. didn't like the one big beautiful bill. among other reasons. And Trump just. can't take any dissension in in his.

ranks. He you will be called from the. herd. If you cross him on anything, he. will not accept dissension. And that's. why we have a house that doesn't do. anything now. We have a Congress that. doesn't check presidential power at all. Even though they were supposed to be the. most powerful branch, not him. That the. the founders wanted a small presidency, small executive. That's why it's article. three. And um sorry, article two and and. uh Congress has won. And um so I thought.

Massie was going to get targeted by. Trump and then when I saw him push on. Epstein, I knew Trump was going to, you. know, he was so angry. But the the the. irony of all that is [clears throat]. Trump is the one who told us we were. going to get disclosure on Ebstein. It's. really the Trump backers. Trump didn't. make Ebstein a huge a huge campaign. issue, but he did a little. [clears throat]. and he definitely made disclosure an. issue, whether it was the JFK files or. the MLK files or, you know, the UFO.

files, all that stuff. And Epstein was a. huge issue for a core part of Team Red. So, you know, you could argue that. Massie was holding Trump to the Trump. agenda, not not bucking. See, that's. what I don't I don't understand how. people don't see it that way. Every time. I blast. Trump or anybody in his administration. or Pam Bonnie, anybody about not. releasing those, redacting all the. names, all this [ __ ] I get blasted by.

the by the Republicans. >> So, it's always important to ask who. you're getting blasted by. >> I mean, it could be bots. Probably bots, but I can't tell. >> Well, if it has anything to do with. Israel, it's bots for sure. Um but when. it comes to like what you just said. there is you know what's core maga now. >> I have no idea. >> I think I know. Trump has said from the beginning. >> pedophile supporting Israeli lobby.

I have no idea. >> need a different acronym um but Trump. has said from the beginning that he. defines what MAGA is MAGA is what I say. it is he has said and he's not wrong. it's his moniker it's his campaign slo. Logan and all along he's defined what is. and is not MAGA and he told me. personally MAGA will feel the way I want. them to feel. I'll tell them how to feel. about this that or the other thing and. they will and he has been totally right. on that. The problem for Trump now is that he has.

defined MAGA literally to those who. agree with Mark Levin. If you don't. agree with Mark Levvin, you're not MAGA, which means you must be a neocon whose. main issue is what's in the best. interest of Israel. [snorts] And that defines MAGA down to. nothing. It's a nub. So what's that? It's not it's not large. It's not. important. It's not cool. It's not. appealing to young people. It has no.

future. Um much like Mark Leven himself. It's old. It's angry and it's dying. And uh so those are the people who like. the diehard loyalists who will just feel. the way Trump wants them to feel are the. ones who are harassing you for saying. what you think about Thomas Massie. They're entitled to their opinion, but. they do not represent the Republican. party. They don't represent the right, and they definitely don't represent the. future.

Well, I I don't even know what the. Republican party is anymore. >> Yeah, it's. >> Nobody stands up for anything. >> It's unclear. >> Not inside. >> All these people I thought were. Republicans on the outside are standing. up against it, but nobody on the inside. is except the people that are resigning. and and Massie. >> Yeah. Yeah. But I mean I mean I I just. what what like all the Pete Heg Seth. [ __ ] went down there to campaign.

against him. What is that [ __ ] Did he. forget he started a [ __ ] war? >> Yeah, that was so highly irregular. >> What the [ __ ] was that? Is that even. legal? >> It's legal, but it's. >> cuz as a military member, you can't be. doing [ __ ] like that. >> No. And we have never like in modern. history I think it's fair to say I can't. think of another example have we. deployed the secretary of defense or now. war for a specifically political mission.

right like we've always tried not to do. that because it's important that our. military have the support of all parties. that they not be seen as a as a. politicized group and um I think the. Pentagon tried to justify by saying oh. he was going down there on multiple. items you know it wasn't just to sink. Massie. That's tough to swallow. And I it's it's. a like so much with the Trump. presidency, it's a bridge we shouldn't. have crossed. Like there there are. certain norms and protocols that are. good that are there for a reason to.

maintain some faith in institutions and. you can make a very strong case that. faith in the Department of War is at the. top of the list. People need to believe. that that's not a corrupt organization. or one that only fights for one side of. the aisle. and we need to keep the. troops out from that kind of scrutiny, too. And uh it starts at the top. So, it. was wrong. They should not have deployed. him in the fight against Massie. >> It's disgusting. I mean, it's just a. shitty example for everybody in the. military, too, to have the the top guy.

going around and campaigning for people. when literally nobody else in the. military is allowed to do that. >> Yeah. And you know, how do they feel? I. mean, like, I'll I'll guarantee you the. vast majority of the military, if you. pulled them about like whether they. wanted Thomas Massie to be reelected, would either have no opinion or you'd. have leftists saying, "Well, I just want. him out altogether because, you know, I'd rather have a Democrat in there.". But the right, the right-wing of the. military is going to be just as divided. as those of us who are not in the. military. So, it's like, who are you.

speaking for? You know, it's not like. something that has popular support. within the group he represents. >> So, what does this all mean? I mean, the. I thought he was going to win. I thought. for sure he was going to win, but then. he didn't. And. Israel bought it. They bought the. election. So, do do we even vote. anymore? What's the [ __ ] point? It. legitimately, what's the point? >> It's very hard for me to argue against. your cynicism. Um I think a lot.

>> like we have a duty to vote, but like. why? >> Yeah. For what? >> What? Well, if they're just going to I. mean. >> I mean ideally a candidate will come. along who will. represent an antidote to the system and. I know that we thought Trump was that. but like if you look back there were a. lot of signs that Trump was not going to. be that. You know the self-deing that. Trump's always done on economic matters. like finances around his family business.

should have telegraphed to us he was he. was viable. Mhm. >> Um I don't think everyone is, you know, I do think like Thomas Massie wasn't. Um. there are certain people who actually. have deep principles and they stand by. them and they couldn't be bought and. paid for. Now, could they win a. presidential election? That I don't. know. Haven't seen that in recent years. But I, you know, for me, I still and I the line between left and. right is merging. You know, like there's.

there's something rising out of the. middle of that. That is. >> You're talking with Anna Casparian. >> Yeah, I love her. >> It's awesome. >> I love her. >> I do, too. >> She's awesome. >> People think of me as a Republican, but. I I haven't been a Republican in over 20. years. I was a registered Democrat when. I was fresh out of school. And then I. was a registered Republican for a few. years when I was like like right around. when I joined Fox News. And then I. quickly realized like I I don't want to. wear either of these team jerseys. I'm. against both of these guys. And I.

registered as an independent. I don't. back in like 2004 or someplace around. there, which I have been ever since. And. I voted for Dems and Republican. So I'm. like I'm I'm pretty centrist in my. politics. Now my cultural sensibilities. are definitely more on the right these. days than they used to be. [snorts] Um. but I share a lot in common with some on. the left. So I think something's coming. out of the middle that is going to be. the future. It's going to complicate.

politics in a really probably good way. Not not for the part existing parties, but who there will be as a result of. that emergence, there will be a. candidate or more who stand for what's. happening there in the middle that's. anti-war and pro-America, America first. um actually supports American workers. and you know bringing back manufacturing. doesn't seed you know the job fair to. what's happening in China like there's a. few issues on which I think we agree.

removes culture wars from the discussion. so in other words the leftists who are. there are not trying to cut off the body. parts of our children and the people who. are on the right are willing not to make. you must fight with me to stop it as a. terms of you know whether we can bond. together. >> Mhm. >> So, I don't know. I mean, I some of. those issues are my pet issues, right? Like I I could never vote for somebody. who's going to chop off the body parts. of children. I can never vote for. somebody who's voluntarily sterilizing.

children or supporting it or the boys. and girls sports thing. I I can't. So, I. still will vote Republican. >> But what I'd love to see is a different. alternative. And and I just think necessity is the. mother of all invention. and someone. will come it whether it's a massie maybe. you know we we weren't prepared for that. like we didn't have enough money in the. coffers to fight Apac but we'll get it. because their popularity is on the way. down and there is a rising group of. political power that opposes them in. their mission that's why they're in such.

a panic that's why we're all getting. botted. >> you know that but they're not going to. win that's that's a lobby that's that's. bought and paid for lobbyists who buy. loser politicians. But the people have outed them. They. they've been outed for what they do. They're no longer getting ignored, which. is great. And it's been the Democrats. who first have realized they're too. dependent on these groups and they're. too dependent on politicians who just.

back Israel, knee-jerk, and the. Republicans have been the last to that. party. But we're getting there. There's. only that one core part of MAGA, which. is the Mark Levin party. Now the neocon. back. >> generation. >> Yeah, that's the only part left that's. that's un that's that is pro Israel and. doesn't understand what Apac is doing to. us. So that's a good thing that actually. lays a pretty good golden path out of. this mess. >> I mean I I want to talk about some. solutions at the end, but I I I don't.

even I don't even trust myself to. interview any of them anymore after the. LA I mean I interviewed almost everybody. in the not almost every a lot of people. I think it's like nine people that wound. up in the administration. Pete got picked 5 days after my. interview. It's. I just It's [ __ ] disgusting. I have. friends running. >> Well, let me ask you something. Like I. know you know you had Tucker on. He's a.

friend. I don't think he could be bought. and paid for. I I could get behind a Tucker. presidency. doesn't he doesn't want to. run, but I could totally get behind. I. just don't think I think for him he's. got ideological principles on which he. will not bend and that you really you. have to find somebody who's like that. who who can get backed by people with. deep pockets who actually don't have an. agenda that's different from that. person's. >> You know,

like Trump, he took $200 million from. Marian Aden. Well, how did we think that. was going to end? You know, I think. we took Trump too much at his word on. the I'm not going to start any more. wars, especially not Middle East wars, especially not one with Iran. We could. be here for the next hour running those. sound bites. We were too non-skeepical. when when the answers were right there. If you looked at who was backing his. campaign, the biggest donor, and she it.

wasn't just Miriam. or many. who's, you know, he said her loyalty is. more to Israel. Why didn't we pay more. attention to that? Like, why aren't we. blaming ourselves? I don't accept that there's no one we. could find who wouldn't be true to the. agenda he or she ran on. I am not quite. that cynical yet. I'm not quite that. blackpilled. >> Well, that's good because I am. But but.

I I wasn't even talking about president. I was just I mean somebody running for. Congress, Senate, whatever. I even think. the president they'll just get eaten. alive by the machine. But. >> no, you have plenty of reason to think. that. >> I mean I I think there maybe is another. way out. But it's going to take a lot of. organization. >> The the the best way out is to shrink. government. I mean that that would be the greatest. way just to shrink it all down. Stop. with the you know unitary executive. Shrink the president's powers. It's. happening. You know, Trump's going to.

reduce reduced to executive orders only. >> He's passed no legislation. He got his. one big beautiful bill act passed. He. got the Lake and Riley Act passed. And everything he's done with his pen is. going to be undone by the next Democrat. to take over. Even if he got rid of the. filibuster, okay, get rid of the. filibuster. That's all going to change. as soon as the Democrats take power. All. those nonfilibustered bills are just. going to get reversed by the next.

Democrat Congress and president. So I in. a way they're all shrinking themselves. and how much they matter, which is. great. Is there anyone sitting around. thinking if only we could have more. government? Well, leftists are. [laughter]. >> No, no sane person is thinking that. >> Yeah. I don't know. I don't I don't I don't. know what to think anymore. I don't even. I just I don't even trust my own. intuition when it comes to politics. because I thought things were going to. be so different and I got [ __ ] duped. >> Nobody knows anything about anything.

>> It's it's one of the themes of the year. The thing is like the Trump thing is so. disappointing because. he did seem like he was going to be. different. You know, he he was. independently wealthy. So there was some. reason to believe he wasn't going to. need their money or be swayed by it. He's such a fighter and a middle finger. He's a walking middle finger. So you. kind of felt like maybe he won't do.

Miriam Adlesen's bidding and he's too. smart for that. Like that's how I saw. it. like there's no way he's going to be. pressured by a lobby into reversing. himself on one of his top and principal. campaign promises. You know, like it. would be the same as continuing Joe. Biden's open border policies. Like. that's how impossible it seemed that. Trump would start a war. And everybody's. like, he said Iran can't have a nuclear.

weapon. He said his defenders, he said. that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. Yes, he said that Iran was not close to. getting a nuclear weapon. Those are. lies. You know, the people who are. making that justification for Trump are. neocons who just they're they're they. believe in a very hawkish foreign. policy. That's fine. They're entitled to. their belief, but don't expect me to. believe your lie because we saw the. intelligence assessment. right before we launched the war saying. they're nowhere near a nuclear weapon. So, just stop. Okay? Stop. Don't tell me.

to trust the system that they were about. to have it when the system has told us. you're wrong. Your intel is wrong. And. and that's that's pre the June strike. Like post the June June strike. Trump is. the one who told us he obliterated their. nuclear weapons facilities. Pete Hexath. told us that. And now we're not allowed. to believe that or we're anti-semmites. >> I I believe them the first time. I. actually believed them that we. obliterated and repeated it and defended.

them when others said it was [ __ ]. So, [ __ ] you for telling me I'm no. longer allowed to believe that. You're. the ones who told me that. >> And it's enraging. It is enraging. >> It It is because it's like who's going. to be stuck with this bill? Our kids. Our kids are going to be stuck with. this. And now look at the state of the. Middle East now. Look what's happening. in the street. You know, it's like I I. go by the people around me first of all. like my friend and hair stylist Sarah. who I love. She's like I am sick of.

talking about the street of Hormouth. [laughter]. because she's a normal person. She is. worried. She's like I have a good job. I. I make decent money and I can't get a. house and I it cost me $150 to fill up. my my car yesterday. Like that's what a. normal person sounds like. But what's. happening in the straight is causing. some of those problems that she's. having. And because of Trump now, we are. forced to think about the Straight of.

Hormuz, which is in worse shape now than. ever because there's no way we're. emerging from this without Iran somewhat. in charge of it. There's no way. I'm scared to death that the US dollar. is going to be thrown off the world. reserve currency. I don't even really. know what that looks like if it does, but it's not going to be good. And. that's what seems to be happening in. from my perspective. I mean, they're hitting all the. infrastructure.

of our allies alli that that reinvest. all that oil into back into Wall Street. I think it's UAE already said they. didn't. Was it UAE? They already came. out and said when we run out of US. dollars, we're going to the UN. >> Yeah. And look at the position that the. country's in. Just you know if you just. to zoom out where. you know we are swimming in debt. We have no plan to pay pay it off. We.

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I mean, I don't I don't know why. I. mean, there has to be there is there has. to be conversations every day of heads.

of state looking at each other going, "We don't have to put up with this [ __ ]. These people have weaponized their. dollar, the tariffs, the sanctions, all. that. We don't have to deal with this. [ __ ] anymore. And it's happening. Bricks. is growing. >> Yep. >> Bricks is growing. This I wanted to wait. and talk about this [ __ ] with Canada, but I was This popped up on my radar the. other day. So Canada went the Trans Mountain. pipeline TMX has carried Alberta oil to.

British Columbia since 1953 following. the Obama Obama and Biden. administration's rejection of the. Keystone XL which would have routed. Alberta crude into the US Midwest. Canada p Can. pursued its own Pacific outlet. The. expansion was approved in 2019, survived. CO delays, and was completed in May of. 2024, nearly tripling daily capacity. from 300,000 barrels to 890,000. barrels.

So now Canada has pivoted and here's the. timeline. As I said, Biden cancelled the Biden. Biden cancels the Keystone pipeline in. January of 21. 25%. on tariffs on Canada. February of 25. annexation threats began. That's when. we're saying, "Oh, we'll make them the. 51st state." Then we blame them for the. fentanyl crisis. Then we raise the.

tariffs to 35%. Then we threaten them with a 100% tariff. if they do deals with China. And it's. just like. we're just this crazy [ __ ]. schizophrenic country. And so now Trump. is threatening them with 100% tariffs to. do deals with China, but the previous. administration didn't even put the. pipeline down here. >> So we're punishing them for our own. [ __ ] dealings. >> Mhm. Yeah. It's.

>> I mean the whole world and we're doing. this [ __ ] all over the world. >> We look like bullies. >> We look like [ __ ] schizophrenic. idiots now. >> I can defend the fentanel thing from. Canada because I will say once we did a. better job of enforcing the border down. south. There are several reports that. they started boatloading it up to Canada. and getting it in, you know, from our. evil top hat to the north as Michael. Nullles calls it. Um, but yeah, the. tariff regime and the oil regime, you.

know, Trump's been all over the board on. that. All over the board on that. And. his tariff scheme was struck down by the. US Supreme Court because it's it's a. tax. Taxes have to go through Canada. Sorry, sorry, through Congress. And um. he said he'd save it by finding another. way, but he's only found one marginal. way. And now we have to pay back all. this money to these entities that we. taxed through his tariffs that he didn't. have the right to do. You know, the. Arabs along, you know, in the Middle.

East, the Gulf Arab states, we promised. them protection if we could build our. military bases in their countries and. then we didn't provide it. You know, we. didn't consult them before we began this. war. We let them get bombed. We haven't. been particularly protective of them, nor do we have the military resources to. do it. We don't have any more. interceptors. or any meaningful amount of. interceptors. Meanwhile, they've. rebooted their drones and their $20,000. drones can take out our $2 to4 million. interceptors.

terrifyingly easily. We don't seem to. have a plan for that other than the. president's son has a company. >> that's now. >> Pentagon contract. So, it's, you know, there's there's not a lot to. feel great about if you're a Gulf Arab. friend of ours because you're really in. a tough position. Now, Iran's going to. have control of this straight. You know, President Trump is saying, "No, they're. not." And the only real way we have of.

getting out of it seems to be to refill. their coffers with money that's been. sanctioned and on hold, you know, that. we have control of, Iranian money. So, they're going to get richer one way or. another. And then on Friday, you had. President Trump saying, "No, we're, you. know, they're not going to have control. of the straight." And somebody says, "What about Oman, which is one of the. proposals has been that Iran and Oman, which are the two countries that border. the straight, will have some sort of. agreed deal where they they manage the. traffic that goes through in some way.

Not a toll, that's what they want. We. don't want a toll, but something where. they manage it, basically, where they. get enriched." And Trump said they'll go. along or they'll get bombed too. Now. we're going to bomb Oman, which is a US. ally with which we cooperate on many. international things. But now we're. going to bomb them next. Like do they. have a nuclear weapon? But why are we. going to bomb Oman? Or is that loose. talk? What's that? Like are that's what. we're because that's a friend of ours.

>> So you know, we really are sending a. message across the board now, but. especially to those Gulf Arab states. like we don't really care about you. Who. who do we have any friends left? >> Israel. >> Other than. >> Israel's really happy with President. Trump. >> Really happy. >> He's got a 99% approval rating over. there. >> Yeah, >> maybe he'll get the [ __ ] out of here and. move. >> But I mean, what's an what's a friend? What's an ally? It's somebody who. actually cares about your interests as. well, or who will at least cooperate. with you to advance your interests. That's certainly what we've done for.

Israel. What have they done for us? How. how is any of this in our interests? >> I'm going to be honest. I I feel like. the United States is just a [ __ ] cow. pasture full of cattle for Israel. We fight their wars. We die for their wars. We pay for their Iron Dome. We pay for. pretty much all their missile defense. Made a printed a list out of all the. [ __ ] they get. But.

>> must be long. It is and depressing just. like everything else. But uh yeah, US. taxpayers funded defense what America. pays for. I love Claude, by the way. >> But uh. >> great. >> Yeah. Annual military aid, 3.8 billion. 38 billion in total. Current 10-year. memorandum of understanding signed under. Obama, including 33 billion in foreign. military financing and 5 billion. dedicated to missile defense systems.

covers the Iron Dome, David Sling Arrow. 2, Aero3, and Iron Beam Laser Defense. The USB has been a co-production partner. on the Iron Dome since 2024. That's 500 a year. 500 million a year. for that. Post October 7th emergency. packages, $16.3 billion in 2 years. Total aid since 1948, 300 billion. send all this [ __ ] money over there.

They get universal health care, free. education, subsidized universities, monthly child allowances, unemployment. benefits, national pension, disability. benefits, maternity benefits, and. housing subsidies. We don't get half this [ __ ]. >> Just just think about that 16 billion. All right? And this war has cost at. least 30 billion. I think it's more than. that, but the administration like a. month ago estimated 25 billion. So it's. more than that now even by their. estimate, but it's it's up there.

In 2010, President Obama shoved Obamacare down. our throats. The first time ever we'd. had a massive entitlement passed without. majority support of the people. It had. like one it was worth 16 of the US. economy. It was shoved through without. majority support. You can like if you. like your doctor, you can keep them. You. like your plan, you can keep it. Those. are lies. People died. And the only way. they managed to actually sell it to the. American public somewhat or prevent.

revolt was to say, "You're going to get preexisting. conditions covered and your premiums are. going they're not going to go up. We're. going to handle your premiums. Don't. worry." Well, that was an impossibility. all along. How can you get all the. pre-existing conditions covered and. premiums aren't going to go up? That. doesn't make any sense. And of course, it didn't make sense. The only way they. could do it was with government. subsidies. So they. passed in the law mandatory subsidies to. all these people who are going to get. financially hurt by this new terrible.

program. And the subsidies. have an end date. And the Democrats have. been saying cuz they would like to have. their terrible bill, you know, they. still want it to be covered up how awful. it was. They want the subsidies to. continue because the jig is up once the. American public actually feels the pain. of those subsidies being gone. And. [snorts] the Republicans said, "No, they're going to be the fiscally. responsible ones now." And the Democrats. said, this is just recently,

it it's only going to take $30 billion, but we need to do this for an already. suffering public. And look, Sean, the. truth is, even though I hate Obamacare. and worked very hard to stop it from. passing back in the ' 0810 time frame, [snorts] these Americans, it's not their. fault. They they didn't want it. was. shoved down their throat by Obama. They're suffering. They can't afford it. They can't afford groceries. They can't. afford gas prices. They can't afford. homes. They can't afford healthcare. And. we're giving 16.2 billion to Israel for.

for just one of those line items. Never. mind what we spent on this Israel's war. against Iran, which no one wants. No. one. The poll numbers on that are over. 70% against. And we're not going to help. our own people. Those Obamacare. subsidized consumers are going to suffer. because we have other priorities. It's. enraging. >> I know.

I I just. I just feel stuck. I mean, they're. buying our elections, but it's just How. do we How do we get out from under this. [ __ ]. >> Why. >> is it Is it almost over? Is it going to. die with the baby boomer generation? I. mean, Gen Z is 85%. against Israel. >> These are all the things. These are all. good things. Like, I I I have nothing. against Israel as a country. I don't I. don't have anything against the people, you know, but the government has. definitely been taking advantage of us.

and we've been allowing it really. And. sometimes I do worry like we shouldn't. use Israel as a proxy to hide our anger. at Trump. You know, President Trump's. the one who made the call and Netanyahu, >> this has been going on for a long. [ __ ] time. >> I agree. But I'm just saying like. Netanyahu made an argument that he. thought was in favor of his country. That's fine. That's him looking out for. his country. Why didn't our president. look out for ours? You know what? Why. didn't we say we get it? Just like Obama.

reportedly said to Netanyahu, "We get. it." But no. and many presidents before. him in the modern era um who have been. the victims of this dog and pony show by. Israel and have said it's a no you know. that Trump wasn't the first on whom they. tried this so I do think it's important. to remember Trump has agency and Trump. is in charge of the US military and what. it does not Netanyahu you know he he. made the pitch but we're the ones who. fell for it and I think Trump is.

regretting it mightily now but but what. you think he's regretting it. >> Yes. But hold that point. Hold that. thought cuz I do want to come back to. that. All the stuff you just said is why we. should feel optimistic. Like. if [snorts] you go to the doctor. tomorrow and you find out you have. cancer, you might feel sad, but it's actually a. good day because you found out about. cancer. And it's better to know so you. can do something about it.

The reality was the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. You have cancer. But after knowing it, you're in a better. position to improve your life and to. make real changes. That's how I see this. whole problem with Israel. We didn't understand this on the left or. the right about how much influence. Israel had over American politics. Some. did. Some Glenn Greenwald has been like. sounding the alarm on this forever. as.

have people like Anakas Varian, but like. Jen Weaguer, but it's it's been a. smaller group. This wasn't something. that was either known or accepted, I. guess, might be the better word, by both. parties in America, and it is now. That. doesn't mean they're not going to still. win some battles, especially on. Republican elections because Republicans. are still close um to this lobby and in. bed with them financially. But this is. the beginning of the end of that that. the the.

incredible. response to 107 what Israel did in. carpet bombing Gaza and now Beirut by. the way. Um. and getting America actually getting. America into a new Middle East war. leading our soldiers to be killed you. know endangering another generation. This is going to be held against them. The Americans are awake now on the issue. of Israel. You're truly included in a. way we weren't the day before.

So, that's the good news. Um, on the. subject of Trump regretting this, I do I. think he regrets it very much. >> Why do you think that? >> Because he's not dumb and he knows it's. crushing him. It's crushing his numbers. When have you ever seen Trump exposed to. bad polls not come out and attack the. polls? Why isn't he doing that? Because it's. every poll. It's every poll. Left, right, center. There hasn't been one.

poll that's good for him other than one. CNN survey of core MAGA voters early on. in the war who said they were all 100%. with Trump. Well, MAGA is basically. defined as you're you're pro Trump, so. of course they're going to go along with. Trump. But if you MAGA is shrinking at. best, it's 19% of the uh electorate and. um or of the Republican party. And so. it's shrinking. It's shrinking in.

relevance. And the rest of the. Republican party is having real doubts. about this war. And of course, the left. is totally against it. So, I think Trump. is looking at his poll numbers and he. understands that not only is he we have. a 70% disapproval rating on this war and. climbing, but it's driven down his. approval ratings on the things that. really do get people elected like. inflation in the economy. It's caused. inflation. We we can all see that for. the first time last month, we saw the um. cost of living like the cost of wages. the the wages increase was lower than.

the increase in inflation. One was 3.6%, one was 3.8. So people's paychecks are. literally no longer keeping up with the. rises in inflation. And his approval. ratings have a corresponding dip. He is. way underwater on his economic approval. numbers when it comes to the overall. economy and certainly on inflation with. everyone. He's all the Hispanics who. came to team Trump in 2024 are gone. Not. only are they they're not ambivalent, they are saying that they're going to. vote for the Democrats. They are deeply.

disappointed in him. Um the. >> everybody's [ __ ] gone except Fox. News. Mark Levin. >> Yes. >> Benny Johnson and uh Dan Bonino. >> Yep. The white working class leaving. >> Am I missing anyone? >> I mean Rogan, you Tucker, Candace, Tim. Dylan, all the comedians, Steel Vaughn, me. I every big podcast out there is like, "Fuck you.". >> Yeah, you lied.

>> [ __ ] you. >> You betrayed. I mean, I'll tell you, for me, it's been. a it's been a confusing time. It's been. a frustrating time for most of us, I. think. But. I I. still support the basic Trump agenda, and I still really have hopes that he. will get back to it, if for no other. reason, out of practicality, to save. what's left of his presidency. like I.

really kind of believed in the whole. let's deport the illegals thing. He did. close the border and I give him total. credit for that. He did fight the gender. war and he's made a serious difference. there and I'm very grateful to him for. that. >> I think those are both pretty lowhanging. fruit. >> That's Yeah, I know. Right. But I would. love for him to get back to focusing on. domestic issues. It's almost like Trump. found it's really hard to have an effect.

on those issues and gave up and said. like foreign policy is one area in which. a commander-in-chief can make a real. difference, which is true. So, I'm just. going to focus on that. You know, it's. like that little sound bite that leaked. over his Easter lunch that he had that. wasn't supposed to be put online, but it. was for about 15 minutes and then the. White House realized and they pulled it. down. >> What was that? >> He said in that sound bite, there's. really not much the federal government. can do to like change life at the local. level. They can't really change crime or.

help you with health insurance, medical. care, or like those small issues that. actually affect your life on a. day-to-day basis. That's really more. local government. And it was a very controversial. statement because he made a bunch of. promises that he would help people in. those lanes, but it also isn't entirely. untrue. And you can hear it almost as a. justification for his foreign. adventurism. like. this is annoying. You know, I I actually. kind of can't get these illegals out cuz.

all these sanctuary cities are. protecting them and I haven't found an. effective way around them. I've tried to. do cleanup in some cities, but most. won't let me in uh when it comes to. crime. So, what what am I really. supposed to do? Healthc care is too big. to take on. I can't make many changes. there because I don't have a filibuster. proof majority in the Senate. Nor do I. have even 51 Republicans who would vote. to change the rules to get rid of the. filibuster if I wanted that. He I know. there are a lot of Republicans are like.

get rid of the filibuster. You don't have the votes to do it. You. you have what some five Republicans who. won't vote for it and no Democrats are. going to vote for it. So you at least. need 51 senators to vote to overturn the. protocol that requires a 60 vote. majority to get a vote on legislation. So, I think he was feeling, "What else can I do? All I have is the. ex executive orders. I issued all the. ones I was interested in at the. beginning of the presidency back in. February of 25. So, what else can I do?

Oh, here's something fun." And I think. he loves the military tools, toys that. he discovered with the Maduro raid. And. >> he could have released the Epstein. files. >> That is a mystery to me. I don't believe Trump's in the Epstein. files in any meaningful way. I really. don't because I think Joe Biden would. have used it or gotten it out there. So. why would why why was he not only again. he Trump I did we did look at this at. the time he wasn't a huge I will release.

the Epstein files guy but his base was. his FBI director and deputy director for. the beginning of his term were 100%. >> and his vice president. >> and his vice president. So, and his son. like. Trump's circle and the ones who are his. campaign surrogates absolutely made a. huge deal of the Epstein files. And. Trump got in there and acted like he'd. never heard of this before. Like, what. are you even Who would be talking about.

Jeffrey Epstein still? Absolutely not. You freaks, you know? Like, what? It. looked like an invasion of the body. snatchers. Like, who do you think you're. talking to? This actually is a huge. issue that has a lot more to do with it. has it has to do with a lot more than. just Jeffrey Epstein. So it was a. similar 180 it felt like one to the on. the Iran thing only that one it's him on. camera making the promises over and over. and over. But on Epstein the my my best.

guess is it's his friends. It's his. donors. >> people. He said that. Didn't he say that. to Margie Taylor Green? I can't do. anything. Or he said something along the. lines, I What do you want me to do? They're all my friends. >> Yeah. >> Well, all your friends are [ __ ]. pedophiles. Get rid of them. Make new. friends. >> None of us gives a [ __ ]. >> Like, we wanted to see the names. >> The one good thing we have going for us. there is there are a lot of angry people. who have just been voted out effectively. of the Senate and Congress who have.

seven months left in office like Massie. Like there is nothing stopping him from. standing on the House floor and. revealing to us some of these names. >> Do you think he'll do it? >> Yeah, I kind of do. I mean, what does he. have to lose? >> Nothing. His life. >> I mean, what's going to happen to John. Cornin? I don't know. >> Trump says he's my friend. That's Trump. trying to keep him in line for the next. seven months. He's probably feeling. pretty bitter about what happened to. him. >> I don't know. There's a few who might.

>> I don't know who that is. >> Leave with a bang. John who. >> John Cornin he's the one who just lost. to Ken Paxton on the Senate primary down. in okay Texas. >> but he's been there for multiple terms. >> and he's now on his way out because. Trump backed his opponent who's who's. got a lot of ethical scandals but who's. fresh blood and a little bit more red. meat of a Republican than Cornin who's. more milktoast and a little swampy. but who knows I I think the next seven. months are going to be kind of. interesting. What do you think about all.

these people resigning? Margie Taylor. Green, Joe Kent, Tulsi Gabbard. >> I'm really sad about the MTG one. I wish I had gotten the chance to talk. her out of it. Um, and I know she had. good reasons and all that, but I. somebody once gave me good advice and it. was um, don't let your critics bully you. out of a job you love. And I kind of think she was she was.

bullied by Trump out of the role because. he was. >> really You think that's what happened? >> Kind of. Yeah. Like he was making her. life a living hell. She was getting. death threats. Her kids were getting. death threats. He was making her the scourge of the. Republican party as opposed to a heroine. of it, which she is. Like I I love her. I I was so misled on MTG early on. I I. had such a different impression of her. than I do now. Um, I really admire her. and I wish she were still on the inside.

because we can't keep losing all our. great people. >> But I agree with you there. I thought it. was a hell of a statement though and I I. was hoping somebody would do it. I was. hoping somebody would relink would trade. their power for a statement. >> Yeah. But like. >> cuz I think that's important. I mean. none of these people even have any. [ __ ] power. That's the That's the. thing. >> We're just gonna seed all the fights. Like is it better for us that Joe Kent. is on the outside? Hell no. >> I don't I don't know. I disagree. I. think it is. >> Why? >> Now we have no one.

>> Well, we might have Who do you think's. going to take it? Sebastian Gork. [laughter]. >> But um. >> stop it right now. >> I mean, it doesn't I don't I don't think. it matters. I don't think it matters. who's in there anyways. He doesn't take. He doesn't listen to anybody. >> He doesn't take any any information. I. agree. He doesn't take it to to to make. a better decision. So he might as well. just put a bunch of [ __ ] his own. puppets in place because that's. obviously what they the the thing I. really don't get is why he fired Pam.

Bondi. That was a great mouthpiece. >> Yeah. >> What happened there? >> He was reportedly mad that she wasn't. indicting more of his enemies. [laughter]. >> Okay. But. >> there are limits to what lawyers can do. And by the way, the the claims the cases. that Todd Blanch has started have been. quietly falling apart. and some of the. ones Pam Bondi started because she was. under pressure have been falling apart. You there's such a thing as um malicious. prosecution. And if you look like you're doing that,

a court can throw out your your criminal. case against somebody. So, it's not as. easy as Trump thinks, you know, as as he. would like us to believe. And and the. lawyers who are actually responsible for. filing the cases, I think, have realized. this. Like I there's a reason Pam Bondi, she was just a decent lawyer didn't. knee-jerk do exactly what he wanted her. to do on all these people because a you. have to have a real crime and b even if. you find one that's nominally been. committed. You can get thrown out thanks. to malicious prosecution. You know,

that's what Comey was going to argue. before his case fell apart on a. technicality. That's what Kilmargo. Garcia, uh, you know, Maryland man, um, what he argued. remember we deported him. to the one country he couldn't be. deported to and then there was a judge's. order saying all right you got to let. him back in the country because that's. the one country he had protection from. being deported to and the Trump. administration's trump card was okay but. bam we're going to slap him with. trafficking charges because he was in a. car with no seats and he was traveling.

to the border and he was clearly. bringing in other people and we got a. witness in the car who's going to back. us up and so sure welcome back to. America but now you're charged. criminally you know good luck That case. was just thrown out because a judge said. that's this is a malicious prosecution. Trump right now is threatening. reportedly has the DOJ looking into. filing charges for perjury against Eene. Carol, the woman who sued Trump civily. for allegedly raping her in a Burgdorf.

Goodman dressing room 30 plus years ago. that too is going to get challenged as a. malicious prosecution if it's brought. because the court can look at the. circumstances around the charge and. while maybe she is technically guilty of. perjury in the case what the allegation. is that she testified in the case under. oath she didn't have any outside backing. for the for the case she wasn't being. held by outsiders and the truth is she. was backed by Reed Hoffman and um that. came out later so you know perjury you.

have to show it was an intentional lie. as opposed to a mistake but Okay, let's. assume they can cross that hurdle. She's. going to argue malicious prosecution. that the president himself has made. clear he's got an enemy's list. I he. owes me $86 million in judgments. Well, I think 90 91 if you add the 5 million. plus the 86 um that she recovered. against him in civil courts. And there's. everybody knows there's only one reason. why he's coming for me and she's got a. decent chance depending on what judge it. gets in front of. So it's my point is. simply Pam Bondi understood this dynamic.

I think better than President Trump but. he wanted what he wanted you know and in. the same way like Massie wasn't allowed. to be a principled objector to the. spending on the one big beautiful bill. or the Epstein non-disclosures. she wasn't allowed to say I don't have. it I tried we tried we appointed that. Lindseay Halagan in in the one. jurisdiction to go after Comey and. Leticia James, but it turns out she. wasn't appointed properly and so those.

cases fell apart when she got booted. from the role. Mr. President, we tried. it's just not it's not that easy. thankfully to come up with charges to go. after an enemy criminally on. So that's. why Pam Bondi's gone. But I really. believe. it's better for us. I I admire Joe Kent. and I'm grateful that, you know, he made. a point when he left of like saying why, but I personally would much rather have. him on the inside. I'd much rather have. Tulsi Gabbard on the inside. If Tulsi.

Gabbard hadn't been on on the inside, would we have had a public airing of the. assessment is they are nowhere near. having a nuclear weapon. You know, if. Mark Wayne Mullen had been in that job, do you think he would have said that. >> or do you think he could have been. manipulated by the White House before. that testimony to say something else? And Joe Kent, too, like I don't know. what Joe Kent has leaked and hasn't. leaked. He's never leaked to me. He told. me he's never leaked, but I would say.

it's not bad to have people in those. positions in a in a in a position where. they could potentially get something out. to the media, something that's. knowledgeable and informed and real, so. that we can pursue avenues that the. administration won't. That's how the. media and the government has worked. synergistically since the dawn of time. So, I mean, as a media person, I'd much. rather, again, I'm not accusing Joe Joe. Ken because I don't know what. But. people like that who are pro-America,

America first, and are on the inside and. willing to in their own way whistleblow. are important to the national dialogue, to the direction of the country. It can. change hearts and minds. Who do we have. now? >> Well, that's what that's where I I just. I don't know. I think my opinion differs. a little just because I I don't think it. matters who we have now because he's not. going to take any information in and and. change any decision-m. He's going to do.

whatever he wants to do and if he. doesn't like it, then get the [ __ ] out. I'm going to fire you or shut you up. And so, you know, I think I think it. takes, you know, when somebody like Joe. Kent with his background and everything. that he has actually done for the. country, um I think that's a big that's. a big wakeup call. That is a big. statement for a guy like that to come. out and go. >> I can't in good conscious support this. [ __ ]. >> Again, I I love him and I I appreciate. him in both roles, you know, as this.

sort of. righteous resigner, but I still believe we can't just seed. the fights. I I don't I don't think it's. hopeless. >> They weren't utilizing the asset that he. could have been properly, and so it. didn't matter that he left. agreed with the caveats that I just. said, you know, like I I think there was. a way for him to help and for Tulsi to. help. I mean, for sure she she did help. and I don't know how we replace her. You.

know, Reuters is reporting that she was. fired. Steve Bannon says she got fired. I've spoken to a source very close to. her who says it's not true. In fact, they tried to convince her to stay that. she genuinely left because her husband. has cancer and they're deeply in love. and she let's face it, the government. sucks. Like government service is not. fun. >> Mhm. >> Remember when Dan Bino was crying on the. couch of Fox and Friends? Like I never. get to see my wife. People mocked him. But like I was like real because it it.

is terrible. Like it's government. service sucks. Nobody likes it. You do. sit in a windowless room. It's a. thankless job. You have only one master. and it's Trump and he's very difficult. to please. You know, portions of the. public may love him, but his staffers. really go through hell. He is relentless. on them. And you don't make a lot of. money on top of all that. Like most of. these people could be making a lot of. dough out in the private sector. So,

it's easy for me to believe that Tulsi. upon getting this terrible diagnosis and. her family said, "It's time for me to. leave. I've been doing this for, you. know, not quite a year and a half and. that's plenty of time in government. service. I gave gave a year of my life. and now I want to get back to me. But I. don't know. >> Well, I mean, the timing was a little. odd cuz a week before the report came. out that they raided her house or office. or something for the JFK files and the. MK Ultra files and then a week later she. resigns. >> But did you see what happened with that?

That. >> she said they didn't. >> It wasn't true. That was Anna Paulina. Luna who said a bunch of nonsense on a. cable news show that she immediately had. to retract after she set everyone's jaw. slack. >> You know, she said that and then. immediately Tulsi Gabbard's office came. out and said that's not true. >> We were not raided by the CIA. The CIA. came in and said not true. And then she. had to take it down. Now, there had been.

a report by a CIA whistleblower who. testified before Congress that day that. did talk about the CIA. taking back some 40 boxes of materials. from the DNI's office. this group called. the DIG that she started that is. responsible for unearthing documents. around MLK, JFK, MK Ultra, um, UAPs, you. know, formerly known as UFOs, that the. CIA months ago went back and retrieved.

40 documents from the DNI's office that. it believed were its and that it didn't. want her going through. That did happen. So, it was just mispresented by Luna as. a raid by the CIA that day on Tulsi's. office. Those pieces were not true and. they were denied by Tulsy's office like. in writing that night. So, it, you know, we can talk about the. CIA and what the hell business does it. think it has going into the DNI's office.

and taking back 40 boxes of stuff she. was reviewing for disclosure to us on. President Trump's executive order like. that. >> Sit the [ __ ] down. Mhm. >> There's an order that's been given by. somebody higher on the food chain than. you. But of course, that's not the way. the CIA sees the president, and it. believes it's operating its own. independent fft. If we continue this. discussion, I'll be dead by Friday. The. CIA is nothing to trifle with. >> Mhm. >> Um, so that it's more complicated, but.

yeah, she had definitely crossed the CIA. in that way, but I mean, it was Trump's. executive order that made that made her. do it. You know, that's. >> she was also a staunch. staunchly against the Iran war, right? I. mean, she was selling no no war with. Iran merch before. >> the consequence of that was not her. termination. I believe again I trust my. source who said they tried to convince. her to stay. I think the consequence of. that was irrelevance in Trump world. You. know, the reports are that he's been far.

more focused on what Marco Rubio has to. say, who again is his national security. adviser. He's not just secretary of. state. Mhm. >> than on what Tulsa Gabbert has to say. And um. you know, there's even some reports that. he's looking more to Marco than he is to. JD. And I don't know whether that's. true. Uh it could be because I think JD. Vance is much more of a. non-interventionalist. And Trump's. feeling pretty interventionalist these. days and wants to be he wants sweet. things. He wants these gummy bears.

shoved down his throat. Just the lovely. taste of sugar instead of cold, harsh. reality, which is what a president needs. to hear. >> Yeah. >> So, yeah, it's not going in a great. direction in terms of staff. >> We got a a hot question here for you. It. has to do with this. We had Claude. scrape the internet for everything. happening inside the Trump. administration right now. And here's. what it came back with. Tulsi Gabbard is. out as DNI as of last Friday. the fourth.

cabinet official gone after Christy. Gnome, Pam Bondi, and Lorie Chavez. Trump publicly said she was wrong on. Iran weeks before her resignation. Joe. Kent, his counterterrorism chief, resigned in March, saying he cannot in. good conscience back the Iran war in. Trump's response was a truth social post. bringing up the death of Joe Kent's. first wife, a Navy technician killed by. a su suicide bomber in Syria. One of my. really good friends also died in that. Scotty Wartz. Meanwhile, Pete Hegth, he.

said, helped get the job, has survived. Signal Gate, a second Signal chat that. included his wife and an entire chief of. staff team residing, and an IG report. saying he endangered service members. So, here's the question. Did she get. rolled or was she pushed? And why is. Hegath still standing when she's not? H. well I I think I've answered what I. think about whether she got ruled. Um. Hex Seth is doing exactly what Trump.

wants him to do. That's why he's still. standing. You know, I mean it was it was crazy. what Trump said about Joe Kent's wife. It was deeply wrong. >> Mhm. You know, I responded to this last. week in an interview with the Hodge. Twins, and the the my right-wing. detractors like the neocons clipped it. to just me ripping on Trump and his. marital history as though I just decided. to take a gratuitous shot at Trump. It's. not what happened. He is in a glass. house. He is in no position to criticize.

anyone's marital decisions. And that's. on top of the point that what he said is. morally wrong. You don't criticize a man. whose wife has been killed in service of. your administration, Trump 1.0, who. served honorably, the mother of his. children, for four years later finding. love again and finding a stepmom for his. two little ones. That's disgusting. >> What the Who would do that? That's a.

disgusting comment Trump made. And I was. asked to respond to it and that was the. response I gave and I stand by every. word. Pete, look, you know, if you want. to go through like the marriages of the. Trump administration and which one. should be scrutinized, like I believe. Pete is in love with his wife right now. and that he have has a good marriage, but you know, as I said when I was. defending Pete from that [ __ ] rape. ch charge that was used to try to sink. his nomination, don't marry Pete, [laughter] but but it. shouldn't be a disqualifier for this.

role. But it's fine for Trump because Pete. does what he says. >> Mhm. and Joe Kent's decision to remarry. somebody four years after his wife had. passed had been killed in a war that. Trump sent her to. that that somehow is something we're. supposed to hold against him. Why? Because he he was mildly and. respectfully critical of the Iran war. He handled that. in an honorable way. And I understand. people are critical of him because they. say you should have just quit. You were.

in service of the president. You don't. detract from the commander-in-chief. and. I I accept those criticisms as valid and. in good faith. I don't agree with them. in this case, but I I don't take them. away from the detractors. However, there's absolutely no basis to criticize. his marital decisions. So, I mean, I. agree with the question. The premise of. the question is that is there a double. standard depending on whether you do. Trump's bidding? And the answer is. absolutely there is 100%. >> There's a followup. Name the next person. you predict that will be out of Trump's.

administration before the midterms. >> RFKJ. >> really. >> maybe. >> Why do you think that? >> Because he's dismantling the MA agenda. week by week. Trump is and RFK based on, you know, pressure that's being put on him. I. think he's a true believer. >> like the glyphosate stuff. like the. glyphosate that like let's insulate. glyphosate from you know legal liability.

to some extent and mandate it as a. national important fertilizer like we. can't get rid of it because of national. security. What wait all the maja moms. which is really just like a placeholder. for everybody who cares about you know. chemicals in our food went ballistic. saying this is a complete betrayal. This. is like one of the top items we wanted. you to address. You know, this is one of. the reasons why we can't have pasta, why. we have to soak our fruit in vinegar. Um, no, total betrayal.

Marty McCary. pushed out of the FDA. Why? Why? The. reason reportedly is that um R.J. Reynolds wanted approval of its flavored. vapes like berry and like, you know, the. fun like Hawaiian punch. and he didn't. want to do that because it's a huge. issue not just for maja moms but for. moms across the country where they don't. want their 14-year-old being marketed to.

with Hawaiian Punch vaping because guess. what she'll do it. >> and it's the same way we we didn't want. cigarettes advertised toward children. and eventually that wasn't allowed and. um he was reportedly under pressure to. allow it and he said no and the next. thing you know he was no longer working. there. um Casey Means couldn't get confirmed as. surge general thanks to Bill Cassidy. uh who wouldn't let it get out of. committee and thankfully he's gone but. she was one of the faces of MA. actually.

is one of the reasons we have Maha she. and her brother Cali who wrote the book. Good Energy and started a revolution. connected with RFKJ they connected with. Tucker this whole thing got rolling we. couldn't get her like surgeon general I. mean it's kind of important but it's not. like that huge it's kind of just a. spokesperson you know you're not really. doing medicine but they were like oh. she's not a practicing doctor what who. gives a [ __ ] you need somebody who's a. good talker. >> and who who is sensible enough to know. what to say what's the message what's. important. >> nope couldn't get her over the finish.

line because we didn't fight for her. Well, Cassid's leaving. Can we get her, you know, later? No, we went with. somebody else. No offense to the new. person, but this person hasn't been a. stalwart of Maha. So, if you're asking. me if I have to make a bet, I guess. that's what I'll say, >> man. >> And and look at. >> I can't I couldn't believe the life of. just another lie, you know, from the. Trump administration that we're going to. clean all this [ __ ] up. And they said, "Yeah, it's a national security concern.

They labeled fentanyl a national. security concern. That's a hund That's. not even a 100,000 deaths a year. Do you. know how many people die a year from. cancer? >> It's millions. >> 618,000. >> What? >> 618,000. >> A year? I thought it'd be higher than. that. >> You know where the highest concentration. of cancer cases is? >> In Iowa. >> I was going to say the Midwest. >> Do you know where the highest. concentration of glyphosate is? >> Iowa. >> It's in Iowa. Mhm. >> You know this guy running for governor. there, Zack. Zack Lamb.

>> I don't know him. >> That's one dude I do like a lot. A lot. I think his race is like next week, but. >> Oh, good. >> Yeah, he's awesome. >> Talk to like the farming community has. been having case after case after case. of cancer. >> They can't even swim in lakes in Iowa. because the [ __ ] has gotten so bad. There's warning signs in the rivers, in. the lakes, >> so you can't go in there. And then he. just And then he just And then he just.

[ __ ] gave him immunity. >> Yeah. >> Victor Davis Hansen has a. um walnut I think farm in California, Northern California, and for years has. been telling me the number of family. members who have died of cancer, including his own daughter, who all grew up on the farm. and and he. said he believed it was because of the. chemicals that they sprayed the trees. with. And Victor himself came down with. cancer this year and has been battling. like a lung cancer that's been really.

tough on him. I love him and saying. prayers every day for him. But yeah, it's it's everywhere. And I like we're. just going to pretend it doesn't exist. and pretend like bear needs our. protection, right? Which bought. Monsanto. I forgive me, but I don't buy. that they've got more money than God. >> Mhm. >> Um, so it it is very frustrating and it. does give you the feeling like what's.

going to change? Like the Maha thing. helped really did help get Trump. elected. I really thought we'd get more. than just a couple of food dyes out of. our food. >> Did we do that? Maybe those aren't. legal. [laughter]. >> Those gummy bears. They're supposed to. be getting colored with like beets now. [laughter]. >> Whoops. >> I'm not sure. I'll have to check the. ingredients. Oh, there's too many corn. syrup. >> Hey, there's nothing in there. There's. any There's nothing in there good for. you. I can tell you that right now. >> Canola oil. That's bad. That gives you.

the bad fat. That gives you the jiggly. cellulite fat. I'm just telling you it tastes [ __ ]. amazing. >> You want the hard fat. >> But yeah, [laughter] on that note, let's. take a quick break. I didn't really think much about skin. care before, but after enough long days, travel, and stress, you start to see it. in your face whether you want to or not. That's what got me into Calera Lab. It's. a straightforward routine built for. guys. Nothing complicated, just a few.

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and use code SRS for 20% off your first. order. That's calerab.com/srs. All. right, Megan, we're back from the break. Let's talk about some stuff you want to. talk about. Everything I want to talk. about super dark and everybody's going. to think the end of the world's. happening. So, >> well, >> what do you want to talk about? >> I mean, I still believe in the legal. system. One good thing to feel good. about is the US Supreme Court. Got six.

conservatives on there, sort of. Um, and. that's the best it's been in my. lifetime. So, that's good. That's one. branch of government that's looking up. [laughter]. Seriously, it's been wonderful this term. to watch so many decisions come down the. right way. Like, yeah, you go go. Usually, you have to beg and plead to. get the five four decisions and now. we've got one to spare. So, that's. positive. They don't always do what we. want them to do, but this is a great. court for anybody who's sane. Um, and. honestly, like the legal news in general.

has been our cup runth over this year. It's just been kind of insane. like that. Alec Murdoch trial which is now coming. back to us again that I don't know if. you know about anything about that but. >> I don't you're way more on top of [ __ ]. than I am. >> Well, he was a a longtime stalwart of. the community in uh South Carolina and. he comes from a long line of. prosecutors. He wasn't a prosecutor but. he was a well-known lawyer in his. community. Long story short, it turned. out he was embezzling from his law firm.

he was stealing from his clients and it. was all about to come out. And as an. attempt to gain sympathy for himself and. prevent further scrutiny from, for. example, his law firm, he shot and. killed his wife and 19-year-old son. >> [ __ ] I did hear about this. >> and just played dumb and called 911 and. cried and said, "Oh, I can't believe it. They're dead." Blah blah blah. got. arrested eventually and got convicted. and his conviction was just overturned. because the clerk of court, this sweet.

little southern bail kind of gal, Becky. Hill, was manipulating the jury behind. the scenes like saying, "Don't believe. him. Look at that body language, the. deliberations. These shouldn't take long. and more." And uh even though everybody. knows he did it, it's so clear he did. it, he's going to get a new trial. And. it was the right decision. And it's one. of those things that I don't know, for. me, it made me feel proud to be an. American because. that's our system. We don't say, "We.

know he did it. Let's move on.". >> Under our system, you have a. constitutional right to a fair trial. with an impartial jury. And if someone. interferes with your right, your verdict will be overthrown and you. will be given a second bite at the. apple. That's what's going to happen to. this guy. It's a gift to the media. because everybody covered this case and. it was a fascinating case. There's like. so many twists and turns to it. I've. just given you the bottom line. Um, and.

it's going to happen now. It looks like. because I don't think there's a deal to. be had here. Could be wrong. The Blake. Lively Justin Baldon trial settled. because she didn't want to be. cross-examined. That was also a. fascinating legal drama. The whole Nancy. Guthrie missing mom of Savannah was like. a page turning mystery that the whole. country was riveted by for a good six. weeks and then we all had to get back to. our real lives cuz there was no. resolution and no progress. Um but there. that civil suit that we talked about in.

the Michael Jackson case by those two. guys who were in the fake documentary. from 2019 that's going to be in court um. we believe as early as this fall. So. there's quite a few things like in the. pipeline legally and that have been. happening in the country that I don't. know I think are interesting offer some. insights into who we are and for me as a. lawyer you know I I practice law for. almost 10 years and while there are bad. judges and we've seen that especially. during the Trump administration with. judges who are agenda driven and. shouldn't be to me I still believe in.

the law I still think the law is the one. thing that binds us together the rule of. law even Trump knows it that he can't. flout the decisions that are handed down. against him. And that's been good. He. actually has been abiding by the rule of. law. There hasn't been a constitutional. crisis caused by the president. That's. for sure. Not yet. So, I don't know. When I get into bed at night, Sean, and. I can't sleep because of what's. happening, politics or policy,

think about Chief Justice John. No, [laughter] I don't. But I do think about. the courts and the law and still feel. optimistic. Well, that's good. I see. MDMA on the list. >> So, I don't know much about it. You. know, I've never even smoked a. cigarette. I've certainly never taken a. drug for recreation or other purposes. I. I've taken like a Tylenol and all that, but. >> Tylenol. >> and I drink alcohol, so that's a drug. But I'm curious in the field of these. drugs, there's MDMA,

there's um psilocybin, there's ketamine. [snorts] You tell me. But it seems to me that psilocybin. should be the first thing because that's. the one Roland Griffiths who created the. lab at John's Hopkins University and was. like the guy who said we should give all. this stuff another look. Just because. Timothy Liry decided to lean in a little. too hard at Harvard when doing these. studies doesn't mean these are bad ideas. here. They actually could help somebody. But he was a big fan of the psilocybin.

Talked about it like a game changer. talked about is it MDMA or NA? >> MDMA. >> Two M's. >> M. >> So talked about MDMA like it's more of. an empathy drug he referred to. >> I think I think the big one right now is. Iane, >> isn't that? >> That's the Joe the one that Joe Rogan. >> Yeah. >> Right. For the vets. Yes. And uh and we. just got. >> I think that one is closest to. psilocybin. if memory serves from my discussion with.

Roland which was a couple years ago but. I'm pretty sure that's what he said. >> So the good thing about Ibeane is all. these guys that are coming home with. traumatic brain injuries from getting. blown up. They have these black. splotches in the brain. I I think I. talked about this uh on yours. I can't. remember. But [clears throat] so. Stanford did a study and the vast. majority of them, not all of them, but. the vast majority of them, they would. go, if they didn't have shrapnel, they. would go to Stanford, get a brain scan, and it would it would show where all the. black spots are in the brain. And then.

they would go down. >> What are the black spots? >> That's where the that's where the blast. affected the brain. >> Okay. >> So, it's it's there's no brain function. [clears throat]. and they would go to do Ibeane and then. they would fly him back like two days. later to do the brain scan and the. entire brain was lit up. And the other. thing that it's doing is it is curing. addiction immediately pretty and. opiates, alcohol, pretty much anything.

but benzo, soap, volume, Xanax, that. that stuff isn't going to be cured. But. what it does is it it's an immediate. like cure. So it replenishes the. receptors in your brain. so you don't have the cravings anymore. That's like that's how I quit drinking. It's been all it's been over four years. now. >> It's miraculous. >> I haven't had a drop. >> And so. >> and yeah, look look at your studio. >> It looks cool.

>> It does look cool. But um but uh but. yeah, I haven't had a drink in over four. years now. And it's just it's it's it's. saving lots of lives and home life. I. mean, it also the impact that it's. having on people's spouses and their. kids and everybody around them. I mean, it's it's. >> it's changing a lot of lives. >> I think that's miraculous. And I I mean, kudos to Joe Rogan for getting it in. front of Trump and fasttracking it at.

the White House. That was a good thing. Trump did. Um I when I talked to that. guy Roland, the godfather of all this, he was such a proponent. really thought you should do it under. the care of a physician, like was very. against just free balling it, you know, like I'm just going to buy it and do it. in my living room. But the one caution. he had that stuck with me because you. know I'm in news so I always go to the. dark place is um. if you haven't been screened if you have. a history of schizophrenia in your.

family within a secondderee relative he. said. >> you can trip like your schizophrenia. I don't know if it's a gene or what it. is and never come back. like if you're not under the care of a. physician and haven't been properly. screened with psilocybin at least you. take that [ __ ] and you might cross over. to a psychotic break from which you. might not recover. >> Well, that would be an interesting turn. in life. [laughter]. >> So, like okay, I mean a lot of us don't.

like I know about my immediate. grandparents, but do you know anything. about your great grandparents? I know. nothing about my great-grandparents and. what physical. >> ailments they may have had. So it's. scary to think like I could go because. I'm kind of tempted the way you talked. about psilocybin which again I think is. the closest thing to that I gain how it. gives you a feeling of togetherness of. connected purpose of like diminishing. the things that divide us and and. amplifying things that make us feel out.

of out of ourselves and more connected. to earth and the great beyond and the. belief in what's next and whole. It was. very attractive. That's who wouldn't. want to feel all that stuff, but I, you. know, don't want to turn into a serial. killer after I leave the office. [laughter]. >> I've not heard that. I've not heard that. ever, but I've. I do MDMA therapy with my wife and it's. [ __ ] amazing. >> Well, how often do you do it?

>> Well, we were doing it maybe once a. quarter for a while. We haven't been. doing it that long, but a little over a. year. And then, but what what what it. does is. like you're able to send and receive. information without without. feeling any resentment or it you just, you know, it's coming from a loving. place. So you can receive it and know.

that it is meant for good and it's. coming from a loving place. >> without being like I don't [ __ ] do. that, you know. >> So you have your big talks. >> Oh yeah. >> After that. >> Yeah. >> Oh, >> during it. During it. >> Wow. How long does it last? Like few. hours? >> Yeah. Maybe four, five, six hours. >> So do you just like make the list the. MDMA list? Like we're gonna let's table. that until we get to the. >> No, no, no, no. We'll do it. But it it. it's stuff that it's stuff that you. might not even really know that is.

bothering you about your husband or your. wife or or whoever. >> And it'll all just come up. It'll all. start coming out. And so you'll learn. things about yourself that you're doing. that annoy the [ __ ] out of your husband. or hurt your kids or. >> stuff like that. And so every time we do. it, uh, that's the majority of it is. parenting, parenting issues. And. >> it's not addictive. Like ketamine is. addictive. That's what took Matthew.

Perry. >> Yeah. Um, I mean, I don't know. We're not addicted to it. >> No, I think they think they say it's not. addictive. >> Oh, MDMA. >> Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Don't, you know, check me on that, but I I think Roland. said the one that's addictive is the. ketamine. You have to be careful with. that one. Yeah, I've not done any. ketamine, but and then we don't do it. much anymore because not as much stuff. was coming up. In fact, the last one we. did, we did nothing really came up. So, we're like, >> isn't MDMA ecstasy?

>> Yes. >> I thought that was a sexual drug, you. know, like you take it and you go nuts. for each other. I've never heard it. >> That happens, too. >> Okay. So, but you get the. >> but you can get the loving, non-judgmental, everything's coming from. a good place feeling right after you. have sex, too. You can get away with. anything in that that moment. >> But I'm I'm I'm being serious, though. It It is um. I think everybody should do it. >> I I don't think I'd take anything from. Mexico. No offense to our friends south.

of the border, but no, no, no. I would. not drink the water. I'd be worried. about having a tamalei, and I certainly. wouldn't don't want a drug from Mexico. Well, for the Ibeame, for example, I. mean, you're in a facility. You're. hooked up to a heart rate monitor. >> Okay. >> Like they have doctors on staff. >> Is there an American there? >> Canadians. >> Oh, okay. No offense to the Mexican. people, but like I I you know, there's. some sketchy things down south of the. border. It's like where people go for. their bad plastic surgery and it's like. some bad things happen.

>> I don't know. I mean, if you get cancer, you sure as hell aren't going to get it. cured within the US. >> Well, that's the thing. You the stem. cells. So many people are going out of. the country now for all that stuff. >> Everybody's passing us up, man. >> I know. We have so much regulation here. That's all we want to do is regulate. people out of ex out of existence. Stifle while the man makes money off of. us all. >> What about the AI stuff? Are you worried. about that? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> What are you worried about? >> I'm worried that Elon says no one should. start a retirement fund cuz we're not. going to need it.

As in we're no longer going to be here. Um, I I do worry about super. intelligence and the machines somehow. taking over. Um, I'm very worried for our children and. their ability to get meaningful jobs. I. mean, it's like white collar jobs have. been all but wiped out potentially by. this thing. Like, if you look at the. people who are in the know and what they. forecast, like when I got out of law. school, I spent, you know, as I said,

nine and a half years practicing law. the first three or four of it is no. longer necessary. It can all be done by. a computer. >> When you're doing legal research, uh you're calling through cases, you know, you're looking at documents, that's that's what a you know, junior. litigator does. That job's no longer. necessary. You I a friend of mine just. went in for uh or was going in for. is it gallbladder surgery? was some sort. of surgery and he was given the option a.

human or a machine. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> What did he pick? >> He picked the human. >> Did he really? >> Yeah. But the machine was cheaper. Then my own doctor told me that he got a. colonoscopy that was reviewed. only by a machine. and he loved it. Like it came back right. away and they thought it was higher. accuracy. And then a different doctor. told me that many people have wound up. with cancer doing it that way. The.

machines aren't as foolproof as we've. been led to believe. So it's like more. and more we're going to turn ourselves. over to them. And I have to say I'm very. excited by some of the medical. breakthroughs. I genuinely am starting. to believe that if we can just live. another 10 years, we might not die. We're all going to be Brian Johnson. Like every day you see something like, "Holy [ __ ] they figured out what causes. aging and they're working on a pill to. stop it." like we might not have to age. anymore. So, if we can just hold on, we. could just stay out of the sun for 10. more years. Um it seems like every form. of cancer, my my doctor when he told me.

about the m about the um mRNA vaccines. during COVID, I'm like, you know, they're very controversial. This is what. people are saying. And he said, one day. they're going to cure cancer. So, like. at some point you're going to be faced. with a decision about whether to take. them or not. And uh I'm like, well, preventing COVID is one thing. You tell. me it's going to protect me from getting. pancreatic cancer, I may pay more. attention, but it's already happening. >> I don't know about that. I'm not. endorsing the technology. I'm just. saying every day you see a new amazing. development like you no longer have to.

have melanoma potentially or pancreatic. cancer or glyobblasto like every day. we're getting. So that is all linked to. AI and it's very exciting. It would suck. to survive every form of cancer and. heart attack only to get nuked by a. machine that's figured out access to the. codes and doesn't want us around because. it knows it could kill it. We could kill. it. >> You think AI will eventually have its. own agency? >> Yeah, I do. I I do. I believe they're. going to get super intelligent and we're. going to be sorry that we unleash that. without more thought. But but my.

immediate worry is about the children. [snorts]. You need purpose in life. You you need something to get up and do. every day. Mhm. >> cannot live an idol life and be happy in. my view. >> You know, you can retire after a. lifetime of professional contributions. or otherwise and be happy. But I just. don't think you can live your whole life. at the way they used to back at, you. know, the 1800s as a gentleman. and be a fulfilled person. And what where are they getting their.

money in this scenario? From the. government, from anthropic, from open. AI. Sam Alman is going to have to dole. it out like the communist government to. them. Is that how that's that'll be. meaningful? That that's going to work. out well for us. >> You think that's where this is headed? >> Yeah. What? How could it not be? All the. white collar jobs are going away. >> No, I see it. It scares the [ __ ] out of. me. I I I think this will all be. replaced. I think. >> we're not doing really anything to stop. it. Even [snorts] in President Trump's.

meeting with Shei, they talked about it. a little, but it it wasn't a big agenda. item. Right now, we're in a nuclear arms. race with other countries, especially. China, to see who can dominate AI the. fastest. You know, there was a story, it. was highlighted in that movie, it's on. digital, whatever, one of those apps. that we all have on. You never know. where you see anything anymore. It's. like, I don't know. You have to go. through, you have to go Netflix and. Amazon Prime, figure it out where you. watched it. But it's called the AI doc.

It's very well done. And there was a. story in there. >> [snorts]. >> um where. I'm pretty sure that's where I saw this. where. the AI creator. um was going to shut down the program. And. the long story short, he was threatened. by the AI that if he did shut it down, the the computer was going to tell. everybody about the affair he had had on. his wife, which it knew about because it.

had accessed his emails. I mean, [ __ ]. >> That's dark [ __ ] Elizabeth Holmes of. Theronos, you know, the one prick in the. finger and I can tell you everything. about you, which was a fraud, and she's. in jail serving a nine or 10 year. sentence. Um, she tweeted out, "You can. tweet from prison." She actually just. followed me. I might have a relationship. with Elizabeth Holmes now. I don't know. Um, she tweeted out, "Delete all of your. emails. Delete all of your photographs,

including your hidden photos. Delete all. of your medical records that are online. Delete everything within the next few. years. is that's the window you have. before it will all be spilled onto the. internet by AI that will access. everything. >> I don't disagree with that. I think that. all the time now. I think I think this. is more of a biblical thing. But. personally, >> so does the pope. You saw he just issued.

some 40,000word encyclical against AI. >> Mhm. reminding people that while they. can do all these things, they're not. real. They're not human. They don't have. emotions. They don't really even have ethical. judgments. They have some programming on. ethics. Like if you're an automated car. and you're driving down the street, there's a woman with a baby stroller in. front of you and on the sidewalk there. are two little children. You have to. make a decision about which one you're.

going to hit if you're, you know, like. >> jeez. Yeah, be hard enough for an actual. human to make that call. Someone's. actually got to program that stuff into. an AI, but that doesn't make it human. It makes it a machine that may or may. not take direction from a human. It's. just what are we creating when we take. the heart and soul out of our society? It's like the GLP-1 drugs, which is. >> You don't like the GLP-1 drugs? >> I do like the GLP1 drugs. I I don't like. looking at uninteractive people all day. [laughter].

I appreciate that everybody's looking. thin and you know we're just so morbidly. obese. It's gross. Look how we were at. in 1908. You know, >> we were thin and we were fashionable and. we cared how we looked to the outside. world and we weren't these sugar junkies. and it was just we were living cleaner. >> and now just like the morbid obesity and. people sitting on their couch all day. shoving processed foods. That's. terrible. Terrible for them. It's. terrible spiritually. So, I like them. I. like them. But and they're helping.

people curb drinking and other but there. are more and more reports about how for. some they're killing ambition. They're. killing excitement, love of life, drive, you know, because it's the the way I. guess they work is they work on some. receptor in the brain that drives you. toward. I whatever. I don't know if the word is. addiction or drives you toward like. need, desire, >> you know, compulsion. And that that's. not an entirely bad thing to have, you. know, that that could be the thing that.

makes you stay at the office late. because you want money and you want to. get ahead. >> or you want a pat on the head and you. want to get you like whatever it is. >> I'm against taking away ambition. So. AI is that on steroids like you're no. longer needed there. There's some jobs. that it can't do. I don't think it can. do. >> trades. >> It can't do this job. >> You don't think so? I don't think it can. be a reporter. I don't. I think it could. like imitate social commentary or media. commentary. But what does a a real.

reporter do? You you probably have. forgotten because so few do it now. [laughter]. But a real reporter spends his or her. day on the phones or going doortodoor. and gathering information like, "Hi, I'm. Megan Kelly. I'd love to talk to you. about the bus crash that happened. Were. you a witness? What did you see? Is it. as the driver said? Who was where? >> Is it true that this happened? What what. did you see? you were on the bus. What. was your perspective? AI cannot do that. It a big part of it is human connection.

convincing a source you're trustworthy. and to trust you with the with the. story, you know. Um. >> I don't think it will have to because. there's cameras everywhere in every car. >> Well, let's look at Edward Snowden. >> He he why did he disclose what he. disclosed? Like why did he choose Glenn. Greenwald to talk to? Like he trusted. him. He read his articles. He thought. this is a good person I can bring my. story to and did like I just think the. nature of true reporting which is very.

personal and all day shoe leather. efforts between humans to lead to. information and then the writing of the. story yes that could be offloaded to a. machine but the gathering of information. is intimately human and there are some. other professions where you could make. the case that humans are necessary. obviously the trades yes like plumbing. and HVAC back and you know that the. construction work on the road, you know, thank God that that'll stick around. That's good. But it's not good for. society to lose all the white collar.

jobs. People who have white collar jobs. are not bad. They're doing the same. thing. They're working hard to put meals. on the table and give themselves a sense. of purpose and a reason to get up in the. morning. It It's not good to be idle. again. And then we shouldn't be. encouraging anything that's going to. make us more. So, >> you don't think something will come out. of all this? I think something has to. come out of all. I mean, I don't know. I'm I'm worried I worry about it. I do. worry about it. But on the other hand, I. see like top performers are the ones. sticking around. And.

>> as a business owner, I really appreciate. top performers. And these people that that that do have. drive are learning AI and they're doing. the work of 20 [ __ ] people. And the. people that don't have the drive are not. going to cut it. But there are so many. people who have drive and are good at. what they do, but their jobs are just. being wiped out as unnecessary now. Like. in the financial field, there have been. some alarm bells signed by bank execs. saying, "Oh my god, like the AI can do. the work of 2,000 people.".

>> Mhm. >> There going to be mass layoffs. Like we. are at the beginning of something far. more profound than the industrial. revolution. >> Scares the [ __ ] out of Yeah, I mean, I. just had lunch with one of the one of. the main guys, you know, behind one of. these big major companies here, and I. was like, "What are you doing in town?". And he's he said, "I'm looking for. bunkers. I'm here to look at a bunker.". I was like, "What are you looking at a. bunker for?" I know. And he's like, "The [ __ ] isn't going to be good." He.

goes, "All these layoffs you're saying, it's going to be over a million by the. end of the year.". >> I believe it. [clears throat] And we're, you know, what's bothering me is we're. rushing into it without thinking, without disclosure. You know, the. average American doesn't understand any. of this. They're living their lives. They have other things to think about. They're worried about their kids, worried about getting a home, maybe. possibly taking a vacation this year for. the first time in several years. They're. not like, "What documentary can I watch. on one of my many apps that I can't. afford?".

>> You know, these are luxury problems. and. they're just going to wake up one day. and yeah, there's going to be riots or. there's going to be mass dissension. or you're going to need a bunker and. they can't even afford an apartment in. the Bronx. So, it's but we're not. thinking about it. This has not been. offered to the public as like let's vote. on it. And and you saw this year the. graduation ceremonies how many people. got booed when they mentioned Eric. Schmidt, former CEO of Google. He was at.

one university, but it wasn't just him. and mentioned how AI is the wave of the. future. They openly booed. >> Really, >> young people know, they know what we're. about to do to them thoughtlessly. Never had to worry about this. We knew. we were going to have jobs in some way, shape, or form. might not be the. greatest job, might not not be the job. that you want, but like we are going to. eliminate some huge portion of jobs that. will not be. subsidized by what's available to us in. the AI industry. Nor will all those.

masses of people want to work in AI, the. very industry that eliminated their. chosen profession. Nor are young all. young people going to want to go work. for Sam [ __ ] Alman. Hard no. Um, and. so we're just we thoughtlessly run into. this as the next greatest thing as. though it's like, you know, penicellin. or like the polio vaccine. And it's so. much more complex and dangerous than. that. >> Well, what do we do, though? I mean, if. we.

>> We have to make a decision. We have to. make a decision to slow it down. >> Piss the entire [ __ ] world off. We've. pissed Canada off. We pissed Europe off. Asia hates us. Middle East hates us. Maybe we got some allies in South. America and Israel. >> Yeah. >> So, and they're all working on AI and. China may or may not be ahead of us. So, and she's already said. the whoever wins the iris AI race will. achieve global domination, right? So, what do we do?

>> I don't know. But I know that if we. don't do something within the next year, it's too late. >> If we stop, then we're I mean, we're. done to the bad guys. Yeah, I know. Which is why you have. things like summits where you try to. like come up with an agreement because. there's us versus China and then there's. us versus the machines and on the latter. battle it's humanity on the same team. This episode is brought to you by Row.

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Got to silence it. In another lifetime, I did gun reviews. for a living. Proprietary magazines, supposedly the best engineering in the. world. When that breaks, you're. And now we're bringing them back. It does look prettying cool. I got I got.

to admit that, >> you know. So, I don't think we look at. it and say it's really hard problem. Okay, never mind. Bye. >> Mhm. >> We're going to have to try. Elon's been. jumping up and down about it for a while. now. >> What's he saying? >> He's worried. This is one of the reasons. why he says he went after Sam Alman. because of what he did at OpenAI and. then Anthropic was the product of people. who left OpenAI. Um, so I I he's worried and he's been trying. to say like this needs to be addressed.

No one's been really listening to him. The problem is Sean there's too much. money in it. It's like this started off. with like here's half a billion dollars. Sam Alman see what you can do. I think. Elon invested like 32 million something. relatively low for Elon. Now everyone's. in on it. Of course, Microsoft then. swooped in when Sam was leaving OpenAI. and said, "Here's half a billion." But. now it's multiple billions into each AI.

company, like doubledigit or tripledigit. billions. >> And that's from all of the big tech. companies into all of the AI companies, which is now we're talking potentially, you know, a trillion dollars into AI. And what is that going to be get you? Way more AI. way more AI on steroids. So great, we're going to cure pancreatic. cancer and then get killed by the. machine. Or we're going to get we're. going to cure melanoma and then no one.

has jobs and there's going to be civil. unrest and mass depression and no one's. going to have sex anymore because. they're so depressed the way the kids. already aren't because of the damn. phones and the the general. >> porn industry. >> that too. But I think there's a general. malaise that comes from your phone. Like. just take all the [ __ ] off of there and. go old school. I I just. we we're already surrendering. Like why.

aren't the young people having sex? Why. aren't they drinking? I'm sorry, but. it's like booze is bad for you. I'm not. trying to argue otherwise, but like. there should be some debauchery when. you're young. There should be some some. risk takingaking. They're not even. getting driver's licenses. screen time. >> They're not dating. Forget sex. Take sex. out of it. They're not dating. They're. not like taking a shot at a girl in a. bar anymore. They're They're just like. on their devices alone at home. And now.

there's talk about the future's going to. have your AI avatar speaking to her AI. avatar and they're just going to do it. like figure out whether you're. compatible and then they'll get back to. you about whether you. >> Yeah, >> that's that's the thing that we're going. from online dating to actually it's just. online period. You're not involved. They'll get back to you on whether this. is your future mate like the Chinese. parent like an arranged situation by. your AI avatar. This is so this is why.

the pope issued the encyclical. This is. not living. Living is heart and soul and. tears, broken hearts, uplifted hearts, you know, mad, passionate love affairs. that end disastrously and then not like. it's it's taking risks and failing and. feeling bad about yourself only to. overcome them and then feeling. triumphant. Like it's it's about the. glorious feeling of accomplishment. that's built day after day of expending. yourself at a job that's well done. It's. definitely not sending your damn avatar.

out there to do all the fun things for. you. >> I've not even heard of that. Wow. >> Yeah. It's not good. >> Wow. >> And by the way, the bunker is pointless. >> That'll buy you like a week. [laughter]. >> I love the bunker. Like all these rich. people think that these bunkers are. going to save them. that they're not. Don't Don't waste your money. >> Just tell me where it is so I know where. to go. >> I I actually know one, you know. Um I've.

got a friend who's got like this sick. bunker and he showed it to me and it's. got everything in there. It It's got. everything. Um it's even got a shooting. range, but no food. >> No food. [laughter]. >> You'll be dead in three days. You forgot. something important. >> Damn. Yeah. A lot of people are looking. at him now. That my buddy that was down. there, I was just like, "Wow." And. that's what he said. He said, "It's. going to create the biggest wealth gap. that he's we can't even fathom it.". >> How sick is that? Just the thought of.

that. I mean, like, so the rich, it's like it's a Titanic. All the rich people get to survive, but. the uh steerage is going to have to go. down with the ship. >> I mean, do you have any proposed. solutions? We need to slow it down. And and not only that, there I think. there's going to have to be a covenant. amongst humanity. that we're not going to use it or we're. going to prioritize human product. Like.

I think I see in the future everything. that's AI will have to be labeled as. such where there's not not going to be. we're not going to live in this weird. world where it's confusing to us. We. don't know whether it's a real video or. image or not. there. Eventually, there's. going to have to be a law that requires. a disclosure of whether it's AI or real. because it's just already getting too. ubiquitous. And I think there's going to. be. sort of like the modern day Amish, but. it'll be much more widespread where we. just choose to be letites like we in in.

the way we say by American, it's going. to be like by human. So. >> that's what I think is going to happen. Made in the USA, made by human. >> Made by humans. Like my husband is an. author. He's a writer and uh he used to. write fiction. Now he does non-fiction. by the way should all buy the lost. empire of Emanuel Nobel. It's a great. story. He just hit the New York Times. bestselling list too. Um but it's a. great story about uh this guy who was. part of the Nobel family like from the. prizes who built the Russian oil. industry just basically himself and uh.

nobody knows his name and the reason. they don't know his name is because of. another guy named Joseph Stalin and the. clash of those two titans is the story. book. It's really good. Lost Empire of. Emanuel Nobel by Doug Brunt. But my. point is simply. that was written by a human. My husband. had to go he he actually. looked in archives like overseas in. places like Sweden and on his earlier. book in Germany. Right now an AI can't. do that because you had to go into a. basement and look at dusty files that.

people hadn't seen that haven't been. categorized and uploaded anywhere. That's great. But there are a ton. already of fiction books that are being. written by AI. One just got outed as AI. after after it won an award and they had. to take the award away because it was. written by a damn computer. Um, but there's going to have to be a. decision like, do I want to buy a an. actual Harlon Cobin novel that takes me. through twists and turns of a crime, or. do I want to buy one that was that's as.

good potentially that was written by an. AI, but it's a company and it's going to. go line the pockets again of like some. rich fat cat executive who's got who's a. trillionaire now already like many times. over potentially in this scenario. We. have to come up with there's going to. have to be human covenants, you know, do. I. maybe I go with a law firm that only. uses humans and a not AI, although. that's and I think it through that's not. going to work because they have to. compete against other law firms that may.

be doing it better. You know, the AI the. reports by like some of these banking. executives is not only is it doing it. better than humans, it's doing it way. better. Like you would be at a. competitive disadvantage if you didn't. use it. But in the creative arts, the. Justine Baitman of um Family Ties, you. know, when we were growing up, the. sister of. >> Jason Baitman, um she's an actress and a director, and. she's been making a big push already in. Hollywood for this, like a movie company.

that only makes movie with actual actors. and actresses and and tech staff and not. AI because it's so easy in the creative. visual arts to use AI. you know that. there's no such thing as a graphic. designer within a year may may already. be there. >> So it's gonna have come down to human. preference. >> It's interesting. I mean humanity has a. choice to make but usually we choose the. wrong thing. I mean look at social. media. It's destroying it's just. destroying kids minds and.

my mind and your mind and everybody. that's on it. And but we still [ __ ]. do it. We still give it several hours a. day to get on there. >> I'm bad at it, too. I have to say, like. I made the other day, so little of my. day is spent in silence. Like most of my. day, I'm either doing the news or I'm. listening to an audio podcast of the. news or I love the app, I use this app,

Voiceream, but it it can turn any. article into an audio um service for. you. like I it bears my eyes and it lets. me listen to the news while I'm about. doing my business, but I'm listening to. something on my phone all day long. There's very little silence and I don't. think that's good. >> I live out in the woods. I get silence. all the time. >> Is it great? >> I love it. I love it.

>> Yeah. My kids say you can always tell. when I'm coming because you can hear the. news. [laughter]. What podcast do you listen to? >> Oh, a lot of them. I I basically listen. to a wide variety and I listen to to. them on 2.0, you know, so I can flash. right through them. In the morning, I. listen to the Daily by the New York. Times, Up First by NPR. This is I do it. so you don't have to, but it's my job to. keep a tab on what the left is saying, too. Um, I listen to Morning Wire, which. is from the Daily Wire. I don't hold Ben.

Shapiro against the Morning Team. I like. those guys and I still listen to them. Listen to my own uh AM update which is. our own 16 17 minute news update source. for the morning. Um and then as the day. goes on I listen to a bunch of them. I. still listen to my pals over at National. Review the editors. I disagree with a. lot of what they say but I think they're. sane and they're they're right-leaning. people who don't like some hate Trump. but they they don't let it cloud their. judgment. You know they don't have TDS. I listen to some like Molly Hemingway. I.

love her over at the Federalist. Um, I sometimes I listen to the Wall. Street Journal PTOIC watch to hear what. like the more establishment Republicans. are saying. Um, >> wow. You listen to a lot of. >> Oh yeah. I mean, we could be here all. day. It's all news. All news. The only. non-news podcasts I listen to are Dline. I love I love a little true crime. I. like I in my downtime, I like to solve. murders, Sean. I love the Dine. Um, and books. I listen to books on tape. Yeah. a podcast. The only non- news ones.

are probably it's probably datine. I'm. trying to think going through my feed. right now. Nothing's coming. >> Man, I just don't How do you stay on top. of everything? It changes so fast now. Just. >> But if you're steeped in it, you can do. it easily because it's just incremental. dayto day. >> Oh man. >> Brit Hume told me that early in my. career. He said, "You have to stay. steeped in the news." And e even now if. I hire a producer and I can tell he or. she's not steeped in the news, I'm like, "You're not going to last." If you don't. love news, you can't be in news. You You.

really You need to love it. >> Yeah. >> If you don't get excited, I tell my team. like, "We have a producer text chain. that we're all on." I'm like, "If you. don't get excited to break news on the. producer text chain, like internally to. the others, you're not going to make. it.". >> Yeah. >> You have to get a Jones from the news. You have to be get a Jones from being. like the first to share like this. happened. And that it's still what I. love about news. And so, if you're that. steeped in it, you like it's you can't. pull yourself. You shouldn't want to. pull yourself off of X, which is. basically our news feed. It's not.

healthy, but it's news isn't healthy. It's [laughter] not a healthy business. It's not where you go for the natural. detox of life. Um, so I love that. though. I love the neverending newness. of it. The the breaking newness of the. news is very attractive to me. How do. you think mainstream's going to handle. uh how do you think it's going to stand. up against podcasting in this next. upcoming midterm and the next election? And. >> well, haven't you heard podcasts are. totally irrelevant now? You know, we.

were deemed totally irrelevant and of no. relevance, of no impact because we were. critical of the Iran war. >> Oh, okay. >> Right. Like we're irrelevant and we have. no no one's paying attention to them. And then as soon as Trump's poll numbers. went down on the war, it was you're to. blame. [laughter] The neo-Nazi podcasters are. to blame. Okay. I don't I mean I don't. Great. You have the debate with. yourself. I'm just going to keep doing. my show. Um how do I think podcasters.

versus the mainstream will do? I mean I. think. >> what are the numbers? Do you know? Are. you familiar with the numbers. >> in podcasting? The numbers across news. are down. Cable news is down. Podcast. >> like how down? How many viewers does Fox. News have a day. >> or CNN? >> You know, in their in their prime time, they're probably getting around three. million, just under two 2.4 to 3 million. in the overall and around 400,000 in the. demo, which is not great. It's It's not.

great. Um, they have a cable news is. dead. It's just running out its. lifespan. Same for broadcast, man. That's been That's dead than cable. Even. though they still have like some very. old people watching the Night Lead. >> Do you enjoy watching it collapse? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't watch. any television news. None. None of it. I. find it totally useless to me. I have to. say there are some people I like. Like. if I have to tune into news, who do I. hope is on? I like Jesse Waters. Um he's. a good guy and he's a friend, too. If I.

need like Washington news, I will tune. in Brett Bear still. Um but I I don't. have the tolerance for it or the. patience, you know? It's like I you. can't go 2.0. You have to watch the ads. You have to make it through this 9minute. segment because you know they have an A. block to fill and then the 6 minute. segment and the B block because it's not. like this where it's like this. discussion has grown tiresome. Let's. move on to our next topic right now. But. we're only 30 seconds into it. Yeah, but. neither of us is feeling it. That's not. the way television news works. And the.

consumer listening to this conversation. right now just had a feeling inside of. Yes, that's right. even though they weren't able to. diagnose it 5 minutes ago, but they it's. why people are tuning off from. television because they can't service. the modern-day mind in the way it needs. Which is why all the young people are in. our lane now listening to us and all the. not even older people, the elderly are. watching television news.

>> How long do you think till it collapses? >> I'm dying, man. I can't wait. I love. watching it. I mean, >> it's already like all but there. Like. you look at the when I was on Fox News. in the prime time, which was, you know, whatever 2016 or so, those years around. that, um, we were, you looked at the. advertising on the Kelly File, was like. American Express, BMW, you know, like. all the blue chip brands. And while the.

daytime at Fox still had like the. Christy Lane commercials of her singing. on a beach and you should buy her a CD. [laughter]. Really, you just thought you had meloma. if you watch too much cable at the time, probably still today. But there were. blue chip brands all over the prime. time. Not anymore. It's very different. now. And that's because they don't. command, they don't have as big an. audience. They don't command those kinds. of advertisers. What were the numbers.

when you were on? >> Oh my god. I think when I left, I don't. know, we were averaging like 4 and a. half million a night and like seven or. 800,000 in the demo. I recently looked. at this. Um, and now it's just way down. Now you're in the 2 millions. It's not. that we didn't have nights like that, you know, or low periods. >> Sort of. They're half what they used to. be. >> Yeah. Just about. And but not just that, they're they're so they have multiple. problems. Who's watching will determine. the advertiser fees. You know, if you. have whatever 100 thousand people.

watching you, you're not going to get. the same advertising fees as somebody. who's got 10 million watching them. >> But it's also about cord cutting. Everyone's cord cutting. >> I don't have I don't have cable at all. in on any of my TVs anymore. >> Yeah. And we don't either. >> I use YouTube TV and it's great. We can. get anything. And uh I think young. people they they're not nobody's paying. for a cable news subscription now, nor. are they going to the traditional. broadcast channels for anything other. than maybe a sports event or something.

that's breaking that you can only see. here. >> Um. >> what are your friends inside there. still? What do they think? >> They all want to be doing what we're. doing. >> Why aren't they? >> Well, it it depends on the person there. There are some people who are just. platform players, you know, with all due. respect, like they couldn't make it in. this lane where it's it's very. competitive. It's actually not easy, you. know. So, you have to have a point of. view and then you have to work very hard. to develop some sort of a base. Um,

>> but they are leaving there with a base, aren't they? I mean, you left with a. base. Tucker left with a base. >> It depends. Like, do you think there's a. single person at CNN who could leave. with a base? Like, >> Megan, I don't I have no idea who's even. on CNN. >> That's my point. Like, those are. platform players. Everybody up and down. the CNN lineup gets views because it's. CNN, not because, with all due respect, it's Wolf Blitzer. Like, it's not like, I got to see what Wolf is saying. I. don't mean to pick on Wolf Blitzer, who.

I think is probably a good guy. Um, I'm. just trying to use an example of like, no one's like, I got to know what he. thinks or like this person makes the. news really interesting for me. It's. like I get my news from CNN or the. MSNBCers. Same. Like Rachel Matto. probably would have a following. I think. that's probably it over there. You know, I I don't know. Even that morning show. like its numbers aren't that great. Um. Fox has got a few more stars who people. would follow like Gutfeld, but it's a. short list, you know, it's under five.

So that's why because they're being. practical. They get paid very well. They. have a built-in audience because people. have brand loyalty. they don't have to. worry about too much channel switching. because usually people are loyal to Fox. who are loyal to Fox and MS same. So. there's, you know, there's a floor built. in and that's comforting especially if. you you have to pay a mortgage and maybe. your spouse doesn't work. Like I get it. I totally get it. >> I don't know, man. I don't know if it's. over. I mean, they might just come over.

and get propped up. I mean, you saw the. Golden Globe. You You got nominated for. a Golden Globe, right? >> Well, we Yes. But then we said, "Take. our name off the list.". >> Oh, you did? >> Yeah. We weren't going to pay money to. go get conserved by those Hollywood. libtards. >> Nice. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. There was. >> Ben Shapiro spent millions to buy an ad. of his face in Times Square so that he. could win. >> He spent millions. >> Went different ways. >> Worked out for him, didn't it? >> I'm assuming millions. How how much does. it cost to put your face on the entire.

side of an enormous high-rise building, which is what he did to convince the. Hollywood. Golden Globe crowd to vote for his show, which by the way was never going to. happen anyway. They weren't going to. vote for a conservative podcast. I don't. mean to pick on Ben. I'm just in a fight. with him right now. But anyway, yeah. No, we withdrew our names from. consideration. >> I thought it was hilarious. They they. brought all these big podcasters in. along with a bunch of Hollywood people. and then they just rewarded themselves.

It was [ __ ] hilarious and everybody. called them on it. It [laughter]. >> like how the [ __ ] does Joe Rogan not get. the Golden Globe for the first. >> for the first ever the first year they. do podcast and they g who do they give. it to? >> Wasn't it Amy Per? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> The comedian. Yeah. >> Okay. Sure. She's got the best podcast. It's better than Rogan. >> This is [ __ ] [ __ ]. >> I know. >> It's hilarious. >> And you know what I found out? Do you. know that if you're like nominated,

you're expected to go out there and I. guarantee you Amy Polar did this and. meet with these little Golden Globe. committees and, you know, basically pull. the dress up for them like, "Hey, how. about me? Pick me." How absurd. Can you. imagine humiliating yourself like that? No. So you could get one of their stupid. statues and sit undoubtedly back in the. nosebleleeds at their party where. they're like, "Ew, it's the podcaster. Disgusting people." Who would do that to.

themselves? >> Oh [ __ ] I thought it was awesome. But. [laughter]. oh wow. >> No. >> Wow. >> I look I I grew up in the Roger Roger. Als era at Fox where we did not believe. in awards. He would not even No one at. Fox who spent their career at Fox, none. of them has an Emmy. The only people at. Fox who has an Emmy um got it while they. were working for a different channel. because he did not believe in bending. the knee to get the pat on the head from. these organizations who hate us. And I.

totally agree with him. >> That's cool. I like hearing that. How. are you dealing with all these people. coming after you? You've got Trump. saying you're low IQ. I read I got the. tweet here, but I'm not gonna book. >> low IQ. Nut job. >> Mark Lev, Ben Shapiro. How did all this. happen? >> Well, uh it's pretty obvious, but uh it. it's because of Israel. It's over Israel. and now Iran. Um. it Ben Shapiro turned on me at the.

Turning Point event in December. >> I saw that. >> and I was stunned. I was completely. flabbergasted. He and I had. >> You had no idea that was going to. happen. We were good friends. >> Were you you were there, right? You came. up right. >> I was I wasn't there that night. I. arrived the next day. Um but yeah, I I. was on my way. and uh we were good friends, Sean. Like. we It's not like we had dinner together. all the time, but like we were always. very friendly. I helped make him a. household name on the prime time at Fox.

News. Put him on regularly. Helped make. him a star. When I got into podcasting, he really helped me, too. He invited me. out to the Daily Wire headquarters in. California and really encouraged me to. get off the couch and go back into it. and offered me a job at the Daily Wire, which of course I didn't want to do. Um, but I appreciated that he was thinking. about me. And then we helped each other. on our podcast. I'd have him on. I' I'd. say yes to his show whenever he needed. me. Um, I'd promote his people. He'd ask. me to put people on my show who were.

from the Daily Wire to help build their. podcast. I always said yes. Um, and then even when Charlie died, one of. the first things I said, I was just. looking back at this because, well, we're working on a project, but I saw. this tape of myself after Charlie died, and I was on the air announcing it, and. one of the first people I mentioned was. poor Ben, who is I knew was living his. life surrounded by five or six armed. guards. I'm like, but this has to stop. you know, this demonization, this. otherizing of people who don't share our.

political viewpoints. And I read Ben's tweet about Charlie, you know, empathetically and. sympathetically and, you know, just I had nothing but love. for Ben. And then I did my tour in the. fall where I had Tucker Carlson one. night and Ben the next night. And I gave. Ben the nicest intro a person could. possibly give him. I mean, it was a. conscious effort to build him up because. people were already turning on Ben. because the Israel War had gone on so.

long in Gaza. There was a lot of. blowback. Ben is, you know, ardently. 100% pro-Israel and I didn't like seeing. him twist in the wind. I felt bad for. him and I really wanted to sort of vouch. for him with my audience to say this is. a good person. You know, let me tell you. some wonderful things about Ben in in. the intro before he came out. but but. publicly, you know, we aired that on my. show and he was in an irassable mood. that night. We had a contentious back. and forth on the stage, but it was fine. I had no problem with it. And he he kind. of stormed out of there that night. And.

I thought, are are we not good? And why. are we not good? And I think in that. night, I thought it could be because of. Tucker because I'm still friends with. Tucker and those two were openly waring. And I was trying to get them not to. I I. love Tucker like a brother and I've. known him a lot longer than Ben, but I. care about Ben, too. And I tried tried. very much behind the scenes to get them. both to come together and try, you know, for the sake of the conservative. movement and the country. to not to like disagree but not hate.

each other, you know. >> Mhm. >> Which was a fool's errand, but it was. undertaken in earnest for whatever it's. worth. And um instead it seemed to turn. Ben on me, not Tucker. He had no. problem. You know, he wasn't into it. Like, he wasn't wanting to be close to. Ben, but in no way did it make him feel. angry. toward me. You know, it's only one side. asking me to deffriend the other side. And um but Ben and I had a text exchange.

after that. And um he said in the text, you know, something to the effect of, I agree that our friendship is more. important than what other friendships we. have in our lives. And that's what we. should nurture and, you know, prioritize. because he'd been in my ear about Tucker. prior to that. And I was like, I totally. get where you're coming from, but I love. him and I disagree with you and I do.

listen to his show and I think you're. misinterpreting where he's coming from. And [snorts] he rejected that out of. hand. And we had already agreed to. disagree on Tucker, which is fine, right? That's friends do that. Like I. get it. He's in an very sensitive place. He's got. >> family in Israel and I think a home in. Israel and you know, obviously very very. committed to Israel. And um the next. thing I knew, Sean, he was standing on. the stage at Turning Point ripping me as. a coward. >> A coward. >> Allegedly because I wouldn't call out.

Candace Owens and what she was saying. about Erica Kirk. But that's not what it. was about. It was about my not ending my. friendship with Tucker, which is the. thing that he had been pushing me on for. weeks and I wouldn't do. and he like. many of his supporters has have been. using the Candace Erica feud against me. ever since. At the time I wasn't saying. anything about whatever is going on.

between the two of them because I was. working behind the scenes to help them. resolve it. I actually had gotten to. know Candace a little and I knew Erica. pretty well. And. Candace was very, very focused on. Turning Point as she remains, including. Erica. And Erica asked me if I would help her. broker a piece between the two of them. And I said yes. So, I was trying to do. that at Erica's request, and people like. Ben didn't quite understand, nor did.

they give a [ __ ] You know, it was like. they just assumed I was a coward, I. guess, and I was too weak to stand up. Meanwhile, it's like, I've been asked by. the person you purport to be protecting, Erica Kirk, to help her behind the. scenes put this to rest. So, go [ __ ]. yourself and you're trying to shame me. for not coming out and saying Candace. Owens is bad. You know, it's just. possible you don't know the whole story. Have some humility. And [snorts] a real. friend before he stood up in front of. millions to attack me as a coward might.

have shot me a text to say, "Hey, I'm. about to attack you for not doing this. thing. I know you to be a good person. Is there a reason you're not doing this. thing I demand of you?" and and I would. have told him, but from that night. forward, he and his supporters turned this into. like, you will say the thing about. Candace Owens or you're bad. You're bad. and Tucker's bad. And it got lumped and. this whole thing became a proxy for the.

fight over Israel. Like because they. needed me to condemn Candace Owens, not. because of what she said about Erica. Kirk. To this day, it's not about that. It's because she is the chief Israel. critic, arguably one of them in the. country. Arguably one of the chief in. the country. And they need me to say. she's bad. She's an anti-semite. And I. now that they've made anything I say the. stakes of the relationship, me between. me and these people, it's it's a it's a. forever no. >> It's beyond a no. It's a forever no.

>> that you want to get on my bad side, try. to control me. That it's just never. going to happen. So, I won't deffriend Tucker. I'm not. going to say what they want me to say. about Candace. Um, who I've gotten to know much better. And I'm still close with Erica. It is. possible. I see what's happening between. the two of them. I've said what I'm going to say about. it. And I have asked Candace to stop and. I've said I don't approve of what. Candace is saying about Erica. But it's. never enough. You give him one little.

No, you have to say it like this. It has. to be this far. You have to go. >> this far about it. You've got to condemn. it in these terms. [ __ ] you. No, I. don't, >> man. >> I can do what I want and I can say what. I want and I can have relationships with. whomever I want. And when I went on the stage at Turning. Point, I was asked about. some of the questions that Candace was. asking about Charlie's murder. And I. made clear that I was fine with the.

questions she was asking about Israel. And really like that that added to it. So like the the ardently pro-Israel. crowd really turned on me. You must be. an anti-semite. You're bad. Some are like you attacked Ben. Like I. didn't attack Ben. Ben attacked me. The. next night I said he doesn't have the. power to take all my friends away from. me. Which is basically what he was. arguing for to excommunicate me from the. conservative movement. That's not an.

attack on Ben. And since then, he's been. coming for me ever since. Every once in. a while, I'll say something about him, but he hasn't let up. And then, you. know, of course, Mark Leven is just a. [ __ ] lunatic. >> Well, I mean, it didn't work out for. Ben. They just did two rounds of layoffs. at the Daily Wire. The views are in the. [ __ ] garbage can. If you could just. pull the channel up. I can't remember. how many subs they have, but it's like. 1.4,000 views. >> I mean, Ben's probably [ __ ]. >> He's He's buying views right now. That's.

what. >> it's amazing. I've only seen somebody. completely destroy their entire legacy. with their ego one other time and it's. it's interesting to watch it. >> and it wasn't his for because he did. shed viewer he's been shedding viewers. like we're all down viewers who are in. news because it's it's a rough time in. news but it's fine they they go and they. come in news it's happened to me many. times over the course of my career but. the reason Ben's been shedding them. steadily by the tens of thousands for. over a.

>> [snorts]. >> And I think the problem is like you can. be pro- Israel and still have an. audience even in the conservative, you. know, wing that's is starting to turn on. Israel. It's just he's become so. intolerant. You know, he's become like a. leftist scold and won't allow people who. don't see it the way he sees it their. say and to have their voice, which can. be treated as legitimate if potentially. wrong. That's fine. We do that all the. time in American politics. But like Ben. and many others who are very very.

pro-Israel have seemingly changed the. stakes to only we are right. >> Only we are righteous. and everybody who disagrees with us is. an anti-semite neonazi. grifter. >> Yeah. Why do they manufacture. anti-semitism? >> They just they just they have to do it. >> They have themselves to continue the. [ __ ] money flow going to Israel. That's what it is, right? >> Well, it has to be. >> I It's It's the new It's the You know,

it's funny because Mark Leavin calls. people like you and me and Tucker the. woke Reich. >> Like, we're part of the Third Reich, but. we're woke. And I' I've never understood. how they they can argue we're woke. I. don't I really genuinely don't get it. It is they who are behaving like woke. leftists making identity and the these. baseless accusations of you know you're. an ist of some sort racist bigot. whatever the stakes of the relationship.

like that's what they're doing. They. they have spent the past five years. condemning the woke for saying, "Oh, you. know, what's important about me is this. my skin color. You know, I want to be. seen for my blackness and they've. they've just replaced it with my my. semitism." And you're an anti-semite. If. you disagree with me on anything, anything, you're an anti-semite. It's. because you're an anti-semite. Like, even if you just say, "Hey, Israel's gone pretty far. I defended it for two years, but it's it. is looking a little genocidy.".

a little. >> Yeah. But like but that's how I started. off in like the most mild like. >> I defended you for. >> the better part of this war. >> You you haven't stopped. You continue to. seem totally remorseless about killing. tens of thousands of civilians. I got to. be honest. I'm starting to turn on you. Anti-semite. What? You would not believe the number. of attacks that were launched to me just. at that point. you. Oh, you're under.

Tucker's spell. No, no, no, no, no. It. It's not Tucker. It's you. It's you. people doing the mass killing and the. people who are defending them without. being honest about what's actually. happening in Gaza. I have the capability. of being honest. I can I can condemn. what Hamas did on 107 with ease and have. since it happened. I can be honest about. the sexual assaults that took place and. all the atrocities and have condemned it. for months and months and beyond. But.

that same ability allows me to see what. you Israel are doing very clearly. And. when I started to see it and speak up. about it, I had the the whole pro-Israel. internet turn on me, bot me. There are. full groups who are all over my social. media now. It's very annoying. It's. annoying for my fans who don't want to. deal with these bots, and I get it. Um, but I think they're committed to not. letting these people have the final say. >> I'm getting it, too. Not like you are,

but Whoa. Whoa. What did that cause? Are. you getting a lot of death threats? >> I mean, we've had the FBI involved now. multiple times because I I've you know, you always kind of get death threats in. my job, but they've risen to a level. that's just beyond. And so, you know, I. I can't and won't go through all the. security precautions we've had to. implement in my life. But it's it's. insane. And it's so wrong. It's over. what? O.

I now have to worry about getting shot. because of my opinion. And what is my. opinion? I think Israel should stop. killing civilians in Gaza and Beirut and. elsewhere. And I don't want to be. involved in their wars. That's my. opinion. >> Yeah. It's just deeply wrong. >> Well, I got you another present. >> Huh? >> Is it MDMA? [laughter]. >> What? >> It's a pistol. >> Since we're talking about, you know,

self-defense. So, >> got silencer on there. >> It's got a silencer. Here you go. >> That's awesome. Look at the size of this. thing. >> That out back. >> Wow. >> It's got Sig's new optic. It's got a red. dot in it. That's the suppressor or. silencer. takes 17 rounds plus one in. the pipe. >> Wait, what kind of a gun? >> 9 mm. That's a Sig Sour. >> So, I got a friend over at Sig. His. name's Jason. >> And he told I told him, >> "Are you actually giving this to me?". >> Yeah. >> That's amazing. Really? >> Yeah. Me, Sig Sour and Silencer Shop.

Silencer Shop also loves you. >> So, they gave you that silencer to put. on there. >> This is the coolest thing I now own. There's a there's a range right next to. my house where I I do go sometimes. >> Nice. Don't want to set the bar too. high. >> We're going to see how how often you. spend at the range. >> Keep your expectations really low, [laughter]. >> but. >> but this is beautiful. Wow. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Thanks to our our friends out there who. gave it to me, too. So, the silencer, do I want the silencer? Like, I would. use it on a bad guy who came into my.

house. Don't I want it to be loud where. everybody hears it for miles around and. comes and helps me out? >> I don't know. You might want to keep the. kids calm. [laughter]. This is badass. >> But yeah, and Silencer Shop, they do a. bunch of stuff for the Second Amendment, too. They're always standing up for the. Second Amendment and doing things and. trying to get into legislation. So, it's. a good company. >> God, love them. We're We need them. I. mean, honestly, it's like the past year. more than ever, haven't you thought like.

what does the MO kit look like? I mean, we've thought about it in a way we. haven't in years for a lot of reasons. What societal unrest is coming? What bad. guy is coming? The thing with Charlie, I. mean, it was just Charlie's murder. I just think that Charlie's murder was. the seinal event of the whole year. It's. changed a lot about how we all are and. how we're behaving and what's happened. on the right. >> What do you think that was? The last.

time I interviewed you, you made a recommendation that I. interview Charlie. I didn't get that. opportunity unfortunately. But. >> can you believe that of all people? I said Charlie Kirk. I'm so sad you. didn't get to know him because you guys. would have loved each other. >> Yeah. I wish I would have. I was I was. being put into the MAGA spectrum and I. was never MAGA. >> and neither was I. And but somehow the. media placed me there and so.

I didn't want to affiliate with any. particular party. >> Yeah. >> And so I I kind of steered away from it. now. I wish I would have because I've. heard so many great things about him. >> No, I laugh when you know Trump's like, "She's not MAGA." I'm like, "Correct. I've never claimed otherwise. I've never. been MAGA. I've always called myself. MAGA adjacent. Like I I'm a registered. independent, which my audience knows. very well. I say it all the time. It's. very important to me not to have these. team labels on me. I just.

>> What do you have to re-register? I'm a. registered Republican. I got to. re-register. >> Yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. >> How do you do that? >> You got to You can do it. You get down. to the DMV and you change your voter. registration. Well, I changed my name. when I got married and they gave you the. option then. Uh, but I had done it prior. to that. Um, so yeah, I' I've never been. MAGA. I understand MAGA and my. sensibilities are much more affiliated. with the right than the left. So, like. that's all real and that's that's me. But I've never said I'm MAGA ever. So, like I'm like.

kind of like that time. >> I hate that I got placed in that. I. never even wanted Trump to win until he. was the only guy to vote for. But. >> well, that's the problem is that. elections remain binary choices. So, it's like do I wish I had voted for. Kamla? Hell no. >> That's not what I meant. I meant during. all the other people that were running. >> Yeah. >> for the Republican side, I was like, please just get one of these other. people in. >> Yeah. And then when he got it, I was. like, "Oh, fuck.". >> And then I was like, "Please don't put. anybody that's worth a [ __ ] in the.

administration because you're going to. be garbage afterwards. There's no. chance, especially right now.". >> Not feeling optimistic about JD Vance. 2028. >> No. Or Rubio or anybody that's in there. because they're all yesmen [ __ ]. puppets. >> now. Now, now they're all talking about. Catholicism, which I think is [ __ ]. hilarious. Let's talk about Cathol Oh, you're a [ __ ] Catholic all of a. sudden. >> There's no way to be in the Trump.

administration without being a yes man. You won't last. >> The fastest growing Christian. denomination in the world right now. And. now all of a sudden, we're going to. advertise that we're [ __ ] Catholic, >> right? >> I'll tell you. >> Have you heard of this organization, Catholics for Catholics? >> No. What do they do? I mean, it's it's Catholics for. Catholics. They're going to get into. politics. >> Oh, polit Oh, that's not a good idea. >> And so now you're going to give it all. these [ __ ] politicians that are. claiming they're Catholic all of a.

sudden, you know? >> Well, I mean, JD is a recent convert, but Marco Rubio's a lifelong Catholic, right? He's a Hispanic guy from Cuba. Like, they're I don't know how observant. he is. Um, but I'll I'll tell you what I. think. I don't see them standing up for. any [ __ ] Christian rights. >> I think their biggest problem is the. Republican party is so divided. I don't know who the Republican party. can unite behind. You know, the the. non-interventionist faction, I don't.

think they will back a Rubio or a. traditional Republican who's neoconi. And the neocon faction is not going to. get behind a JD Vance. So, who's the. solution? I don't know. I really don't. know. I don't see the solution. And. that's why I mean it would generally be. a good time to be a leftist but they. have zero talent on their side. They. have I mean oh Pete Buddhajudge who by. the way is polling first in the most. recent poll I saw on team Dem. Pete. Buddha Judge okay sure he's not going to. be president. He is he's not going to be.

the Democrat nominee and he's not going. to be president. Um Kla Harris, no she's. already been rejected. AOC I mean sure. she could get the nomination but could. she convince a general electorate to. vote for her? She's completely radical. She wanted to get rid of all the cows. So, it's like I don't think so. The. super fat trans-loving Governor Pritsker. of Illinois, no. I mean, as soon as his. gender policies and crime policies get. outed, the general election electorate. is going to reject him. So, I think the. best team best thing the Republicans. have going for them is that the lunatic.

left, how bad they are, how they don't. have a real threat. Gavin Newsome, let's. go through the California policies. Let's just put them on a board and tell. me if you even think they're real. They're so radical you won't believe. they're real. All under his watch. So, I. mean, it's it's easy to sort of say like. the Republicans aren't going to go. anywhere because they've been all yesmen. to a very controversial, very unpopular. agenda, but we have to pick somebody. And. >> do you like anybody on the left? >> On the left? >> Yeah. >> Like a a politician? >> Anybody?

>> No. But if I had to vote for anybody. over there who's like thrown his hat out. there, I kind of like Rahm Emanuel. He's. like a fighter. I like how he's like. he's a swearer and he's a tough guy. Like he's a real man. He's not like this. sort of light and the loafer fem kid. like Pete Buddhajge. Um he's not afraid. to throw a punch. I like that. He has. said no more money for Israel. I like. that. He has said that. >> Yeah. He has said no. >> You believe him?

>> Yeah, I do. Yeah. He's Jewish, but he's. not an Israel first. Um he is he has. said that um he doesn't want boys and. girls sports and he has said that he. wouldn't change a thing about Trump's. border. Like I could vote for that kind of a. Democrat. There'd be things about him I. didn't like, but I'd vote for him over a. neoconi righty. >> What do you think of Ro? >> Who? >> Ro Kana. >> Oh, I like him. He's been on the show. He's reasonable. He's like that's the. kind of Democrat in general I would.

like. Although I don't love him on the. trans stuff and I I can't vote for. anybody who's going to continue chopping. off the b the body parts of children. >> Is he big on the trans stuff? >> He's not big on it, but he's not on the. right side on it either. So, you know, Rahm Emanuel is the only Democrat I know. who's suggested they might run for. president who is where they should be on. that issue. And I just I could never. vote for that. We we are sterilizing our. children. We are depriving them of any. hope of sexual pleasure or. uh fertility at the age of 12. There's.

no informed consent. They want to ignore. this problem like it's a nothing. It's. not a nothing. It's not up to a parent. It's not between a parent and a doctor. and a child. It's between God and a. child. And no child can consent to that. when they are a minor. So that I would. never vote for somebody who would not. stand against that. And he's a Democrat. who's both against that and against more. Middle East wars on behalf of Israel. >> There's not very many people. A.

>> short list. >> Who do you like on the right? >> I like JD. >> You like JD? >> Yeah. I don't think JD is in favor of. this war. He's got to keep his mouth. shut about it because he works for. Trump. That's the deal when you're the. VP. He accepted the job, so he's doing. the job noly. It's not noble to run. around being like, "My boss sucks. I'm. against the war. I was the one person. who stood against it. Make sure that's. printed." He's really not doing that. He's standing for Trump. He's trying to. find the right messaging around it. Like,

you know, it's not a great idea, but if. we do it, this is how I I guess we. should do it. you know, like you're the. boss. You're the one they elected as. president, not me. And so you're you're. asking me what my thoughts are. He's on. the record, according to the New York. Times, as having said, "I don't think we. should do this, but if you're going to. do it, this is what I think we should. do." I think that's honorable. And I. think JD Vance is definitely. non-interventionalist. That's what the neocons hate about him. That's one of the main reasons they go. after Tucker so hard is because they see. him as a surrogate for JD and they need. JD to be hobbled. But I think JD on his.

own when he's in the top spot or it's. going to be complicated because when he. if he runs for it, he's got to run for. it while still Trump's VP is he's going. to be in the same position as Kla Harris. on immigration. And when the view asked. her anything you do differently, nothing. comes to mind. He's going to have to. learn to navigate that because he's. going to have to say, "Yeah, there's. some things I do differently and Trump's. not going to like that." So that's going. to be the joy of being us. We're we'll. be able to talk about it. We don't not. responsible for steering it. We just.

have to cover it. >> But yeah, I like JD. >> I think that guy has a [ __ ] chance in. hell of getting it. >> Why? >> Because he's not I I just I think the. opposite. He's not saying anything. >> Well, what would you. >> I don't think Trump is being loyal to. the American people. I think first and. foremost, if you're in any position in. the administration, I think that you owe. it to the people. >> to do what though. What would you. >> What would you take say to JD? Do what? I would say he needs to speak out.

against what the [ __ ] is happening in. this country and in the world. >> like in front of a microphone. >> Yep. >> And betray his boss. >> Yep. >> And basically probably get forced out of. the administration. >> Yep. >> Although it's you can't really fire a. VP. Um, see I don't. >> I look at him I see a guy who is totally. conflicted. in his morals with what's happening. right now and he doesn't look like he. knows what to do. >> Well, are you so sure he's not fighting. it behind the scenes from the inside?

>> I think people need to know that. >> I don't know that he is or he isn't. I. don't I don't have inside knowledge on. this. I just know where his. sensibilities are. But I agree, he's in. a very difficult position. I mean, that's what happens when you accept this. job. You put yourself in that very. difficult position. It's not ideal. I just don't see any. positivity coming out of this. administration. It seems very.

self-erving. I have a list of [ __ ]. credit I could go through, but I mean, what was the last one? He [ __ ] made. it so he had Todd Blanch do the dirty. work so that him or anybody in his. family could never be audited by the. IRS. What the [ __ ] is that [ __ ]. >> The drone company. The $400 million jet. from Qatar. >> Yep. >> The what is it? The executives club. You. know about that? >> Yeah. Yeah. That they started in DC. >> You don't hear about any of this [ __ ].

>> Yeah. >> Does this [ __ ] look like he's serving. the [ __ ] people? No. So, you're going to serve that? Or are you going to speak out against it. and let everybody know what the [ __ ] is. happening? >> You think you'd be better off. >> Fox News sure as [ __ ] isn't reporting. any of this [ __ ]. >> None of it. None of it. No. I I There's. no question that the corruption. uh in the administration has been far. beyond what. >> he sued the [ __ ] government. He sued. his own [ __ ] government for what?

Like how much? >> Okay. Okay. But that I can defend. because look, he was maliciously. prosecuted by the DOJ. Remember Peter Struck and Lisa Paige, those two FBI agents who were like, "Don't worry, we're going to stop him.". >> Mhm. >> They sued their own government and they. got paid $2 million. They got paid. These two who were openly working to. defeat a legitimate candidate who'd been. nominated by Republicans or was about to. be for president. How did they get paid?

They complained that somebody leaked. their texts to the media and their. privacy had been violated, that their. that their government had basically. violated their rights. And Joe Biden's. DOJ paid them out $2 million. Now 1.8. billion is a lot more than 2 million. But it's the same principle. Trump. saying to the government, the DOJ, which. now he runs, but it's the same. organization. You did the wrong thing. You maliciously prosecuted me and I'm. entitled to remuneration. So he filed.

this case. He has a case for that. There's no question that's true. He was. maliciously prosecuted. There was no. basis for what they did to him in. particular. And they were behind the one. in New York, which was one of the most. specious. But you know, the January 6th. thing that that wasn't a criminal case. against Trump. That was just a [ __ ]. lie. >> You can't use the presidency for self-. retribution, though. >> Well, I mean, you can, unfortunately. >> I see that. So as as a matter of settling that he.

got this settlement and he knew even he. knew it would be too much to say I'm. going to line my pockets with this. money. The way he got around it was to. say well I'm going to use this for a you. know a fund to pay out all the people. who have also been maliciously. prosecuted like the January 6th. I mean. James Comey has already said how about. me? It's a fair question to be honest. Um, but it's a huge number and the five. person board that oversees the payouts. is hand selected by Todd Blanch, his. personal attorney, now our acting.

attorney general. And Trump can fire any. of them at any time. So, it looks like a. massive slush fund for Trump friends and. family or anybody who just happens to. come up with a claim. And we don't know. how much the payouts are going to be. There are no criteria for what the. payouts are going to be. And it's an. unprecedented sum that hasn't been. approved by Congress. Yet again, our tax. money is not supposed to get spent. without the approval of the. representatives who answer to us via. elections every two years. So that. [clears throat] when it came to. especially matters of the purse, we had.

the ability to hire and fire them if we. didn't like what they did. That's being. removed from us by something like this. I feel like that. this is how he's justified to himself to. just take advantage of every little. thing that comes across his desk that's. going to benefit him financially. He's. justified it through what's happened to. him previously, which I could. understand, but I mean I'm I'm sorry. Like it just you can't fleece the. American taxpayer.

>> Can't do it like that. >> Mhm. No, it's disturbing. I mean like the. >> or he's owned by Israel or they've. threatened him with blackmail or his. life or maybe somebody in his family or. maybe it's all of it together. >> I don't know. I'm not sure. I mean. Tucker's big on the threat. I'm not sure. if I believe that. I I just think look, when it comes to matters of the wallet, Trump's always been, you know, very. focused on money and he's been less than. forthright about his finances. you know,

that's why he his CFO went to prison of. the Trump Organization. Like there's a. reason there's there's a history there. Uh I guess I just didn't realize just. how grand it would be on the. presidential scale. I guess I kind of. thought he'd be more like he was in the. first administration where he didn't do. all this like he understood that there. was there were eyes on him and and there. was the threat of congressional. investigation and and potentially. prosecution hanging over him. Now that.

we have a Supreme Court ruling saying. not much of what you do as in your. official role as president can be. prosecuted. I think he's feeling a. little more fancy free. Yep. But he's. not going to save himself from. congressional investigations which are. going to start the moment the. Republicans lose the house in November. You know that that's happening and that. could get ugly for him. So he should. watch it a little and that Trump's sons. should watch it. The drone company is. problematic. We awarded a you know a.

military contract to a drone company. owned by. >> the the sons. >> the crypto stuff. >> at a time when their dad is the one. prosecuting the war. Like there's there. are conflicts of interest that are. pretty obvious that they should have to. justify. >> oil shorting. >> We don't know who's doing that or who's. getting rich off of that. >> But we're going to go after a [ __ ] US. service member for a little bit on poly. market. >> You're absolutely right. That guy, guys, >> right? It's not great. We don't want it. to happen, but we really don't want it.

to happen to the tune of millions. And. it keeps happening over and over again. as a result of reports that get dropped. um and that turn out to be untrue. You. know, we have a deal, another deal. >> The Iran war is over. It's over. Didn't. you know it's over? It's weird how it's. not over. Yeah. No, all of that should be looked. into. You know, we we need the federal. regulators to take a hard look at some. of those trades to make sure that. they're legit and people haven't just. accurately gamed it out without having.

insider knowledge. Do you think JD has a. shot? >> Yeah, I do. >> You do? >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Who do you think has a shot? Someone's. going to have to win. >> I don't even think about it anymore. because I don't think it matters. >> I haven't quite crossed into that level. of cynicism yet. I haven't taken the. black pill, you know? I'm. >> I don't know. >> I think it's I just think I've taken a. great pill. >> It's biblical. I really do.

lifted. >> I think we've idolized all these [ __ ]. people. Trump, Musk, Biden, whoever, insert politician, billionaire, elitist, tech bro, whatever. And we're all. looking for one person to fix this [ __ ]. And we keep propping these [ __ ]. people up and they're corrupt. And this. veil is lifting. I mean, in the Epste I. mean, who knows if it's true or not, but. they're talking about eating [ __ ]. babies and blood rituals on Epstein.

Island. >> Mhm. >> This [ __ ] is biblical. >> Would you vote for Thomas Massie? >> Yeah. >> Do you think he'd be corrupted? >> I think it's a very good possibility. >> I don't know. I like to believe there. are still some people who are truly. committed to their ideals. Look at Rand. Paul. I think he's a good example of not. easily corruptible. He doesn't care who. hates him and it's a long list. I.

respect that. I really do. He doesn't. care. He'll back he'll buck Trump and is. therefore loathed by him. But he has a. core set of principles inherited from. his dad, Ron, that seem genuinely near. and dear to him, which I really respect. I still think there are some good men. out there and women who could lead in a. way we would admire. >> They're going to get roadblocked though, aren't they? >> Yeah, probably. >> I mean, what are they going to be able.

to do? >> I don't know. I'd like to believe we're. at the beginning of a sea change where. people have had it. You know, maybe. Trump will actually lean. It'd be great. Actually, I'd love to see him lean into. the corruption. Like, go for it. Double. down, triple down. Keep like do it. do. it so much that, you know, Joe Biden set. the table with his weird, you know, son. and all the deals they were doing with. the Chinese Communist Party and. everybody else. That was disgusting. The. left wouldn't call it out. The right. did. Then we had Trump who's doing some.

corrupt stuff and the right won't call. it out but the left is like maybe if it. just gets so egregious we get to the. point where it's burned down and now. like the only thing that can rise from. that you know heap of ashes is some sort. of honest phoenix. I don't know. I'm I'm always optimistic. when it comes to America. I just feel. like we won't continue settling for this. level of dishonesty and awfulness. Like. we we can't look who look what we came.

from, you know? Look how we were. founded. Look what we're about to. celebrate as we hit 250. Like it it it. should be a good reminder. Not with. Millie Vanilli playing in the White. House wherever they're going. It's not. even a real band. How do they get. booked? They they never really sing. Um. but with like our own celebrations where. we we reread that declaration and we. remind ourselves what a tyrannical. government looks like and how we didn't. we wouldn't stand for it then. and we're. not going to stand for it now and we're. we're you know they say we get the.

leaders we need. Well, let's let's. actually do that. Let's actually do that. next time around. I don't know, Sean. I. just feel like. I don't believe these are end times. I. believe we're in a crisis. It's not. going well, but that it's solvable. It's. savable. >> What happened to Doge? They promised two trillion in cuts and. they got 200 billion and then went away. because Elon got tired of politics and. everybody hating him. That's a tough machine to fight too. You.

know, in the same way Trump said he was. going to fight big Agra and big, you. know, pharma and didn't really um tried. dealing with big government and. eliminating all those government jobs. Now, we did eliminate some amount of. government jobs, but we didn't really I. mean, okay, so we saved 200 billion. Okay, great. But like again, look how. much we're spending. What's the budget. that he just submitted for the Pentagon? >> One and a half trillion. >> I have no idea. >> Okay. It's like the 200 billion is.

feeling like a teaspoon in the ocean. >> Um. yeah, Doge was a disappointment. >> Besset said what? That's estimated $600. billion in fraud a year. >> Yeah. $600 billion dollar in fraud a year. >> It doesn't surprise me. I mean, at least. now they're looking at it. At least now. like there have been some reports about. fraud, so the government knows the the. country wants you to pay attention to. it. That's positive.

Um, don't you think we're better off and. fighting fraud today than we were four. years ago? Yes. At least it's a topic of discussion. But. I mean, I don't know. >> To me, it's like they they say that um. what's the saying basically that. politics is Hollywood for ugly people.

>> Mhm. >> And like people who couldn't make it in. Hollywood wind up in politics or media. Like you weren't hot enough or you. weren't talented enough or whatever. And. so you wound up settling for this like. very ugly toxic industry. And it's kind. of funny, but the thing is you can look. around the toxic stew everywhere when. you're in politics or in media covering. it and think, "God, everyone's ugly.". You know, in the truest sense of the. word, they're all unattractive. God, there's covered in toxins everywhere. Damaged, unwell people.

I'm miserable and this sucks. Or you can. look around and be like, it's a toxic. stew, but there are some points of light. that we have to figure out a way to. exploit and elevate to change the. general pH balance of this toxic stew. We're going to make the toxic stew. better as opposed to just saying it's. toxic and letting it take you under. That's that's just not the way forward. We we can't give up on the whole game.

because the players are gross. We have. to find a way of changing the game and. elevating better players. That's just. that has to be the way forward. I. >> mean, I agree with you. I just don't I. just don't I just don't know how we get. there. >> One soldier at a time. >> And I just I don't know. I just look at. everything that's happening and. US dollar potentially getting thrown off. for a reserve currency. I think is a. like [laughter]. >> Well, we're a nation. >> I think it's going to happen.

>> Yeah, we're in a nation. We're a nation. in decline for sure. There's no two ways about it. I mean, what China is already the world's. superpower. Like, I don't know if. anybody's paying attention, but they. are. Their economy is growing far faster. than ours is. Their trade is huge. Like, the, you know, um, exports and versus. the imports. We're making it easy as. hell for them to come here in the United. States and buy up our land. Guess how. much land we own over there? None. Guess. how many university students we we have. over there? None. Who would want to go?

But my point is simply there's just such. a gross imbalance that no one seems to. care about. So it's already that that. ship has already sailed. You know, even. militarily they used to have no ships. Wasn't so long ago they had nothing. Their military was like basically. non-existent. >> Yeah. >> Now it appears to be bigger and stronger. than ours or on its way. And we continue. to enable them. So yeah, we are. definitely going to lose our status if. we haven't. >> We pissed everybody off. We pissed. Europe off. We pissed Canada off. We. could we've pissed the Middle East off. We've pissed Asia obviously [ __ ]. hates us. Russia, China. I mean,

>> but you talk about it like it's just not. solvable. Like that's So what happens? >> I mean, I just I don't know how like how. do you. I I can't blame anybody for not want to. do business with us and for leaving. because we we we we're not stable. >> True. But that doesn't mean we can't. reverse some of these policies and. >> the candidate thing. Like. >> you're very focused on candidates. it. I. just I read this [ __ ] and I'm like I. hear it and I'm like it's probably.

[ __ ] And then I look it up a little. bit and I'm like, "Oh my god, we're. punishing them. We're threatening them. with 100% tariff. for dealing with China, but we [ __ ]. denied the pipeline to come in here.". Like, what is that? >> Of course, they're looking at us like, "Look at these [ __ ] people. They. don't What are they doing? We offered them this [ __ ] and they. didn't want it. And then what? four or. five years later, they're like, "We're. going to slap you with 100% tariffs. because of this.".

>> Yeah. >> They got to be like, "What? What? What. the [ __ ] do you want us to do?". >> Well, they are. That's why they're uh. the prime minister made a speech about. how this appears to be a new world order. where the United States is really. changing its posture in the world. It's. not friend of the world. It's not the. world's greatest ally. It's not. certainly not the world's protector. It's every man for himself. Noted. >> Yeah. And then now this thing with Cuba. >> Yeah. >> You know about this? >> Yeah. >> Poly Market says there's a 49% chance.

that we strike Cuba before December. 31st, 2026. 3 million plus in trading. volume. The crowd is nearly split. 49%. chance the US carries out a strike on. Cuba by the year's end. The US cut off. Cuba's oil supply in January after. capturing Venezuelan President Nicholas. Maduro. and the island has since faced. widespread blackouts and fuel shortages. President Trump has publicly stated the. US could take over Cuba. On March 19th, the head of US Southern Command told the.

Senate the military is not rehearsing an. invasion. >> But we are sending. >> It sure as [ __ ] looks like we are. >> military assets down there. >> This is exactly what we did before. before I ran. >> Yeah. Well, and so far our efforts to. topple the government via, you know, total economic shutdown have not worked, although it could be. You know, nobody. knows what the hell we're doing in Cuba. because Trump hasn't told us. He just.

keeps saying, I I believe I'll have the. honor of taking it. So, what does that. mean? >> Means we're going to invade it. >> Does it mean militarily? Does it mean. we're just going to increase that, you. know, dial up the economic ratchet? They're already in 23 hours of darkness. there. They have no oil. We we we. basically forced this by cutting off. their oil from Venezuela, which I think. was part of our plan. But so far, the. regime hasn't collapsed. The people. haven't ousted anybody. Now, we appear. to be getting ready to do a Maduro on. Raul Castro who's 96 years old. I'm not.

and no longer in power. I'm not exactly. sure how that's going to make them come. begging to us and bend a knee. And also, it's going to be a lot. tougher. But anyway, um we are moving. all these military assets to the region. and it does look like a preparation for. something. But what what does it mean? Like I don't even know what what it. means. So what our our troops could. quote take Cuba I think pretty easily. It's not going to be Iran. They're in. very bad shape there right now. But then. what what are we going to do with it? Is. it going to be a new state? Like we run.

it because we right now we can't seem to. run our own country. Honestly, people. can't they can't get to work. The roads. suck. The bridges suck. We can't get in. a university. Everything costs three. times as much as it should. Young people. can't get jobs. Young, well educated. people cannot get jobs. Um, they can't. pay for their health insurance. They're. very worried about their groceries and. their gas prices and so on. We the. crime. We can't run our own country. Now. we're running Venezuela and Cuba. We're. going to run Cuba. Like, how how's that.

going to go? Who's going to run it? Like, who exactly? >> Maybe they're going to turn it into the. Gaza Strip. I mean, at least. >> make it a big real estate. >> At least Cuba is really beautiful. Like, I I I don't know. So, we're going to. bomb Oman and we're going to invade Cuba. and take it over and maybe make it the. 51st state. I don't I don't know, Sean. The president won't tell us. And it's. disrespectful. Like, we have the right. before we send our men and women in.

uniform in there to know what is the. mission because we just went through. this. We just went through this in Iran and. your attempt to stay nebulous on it. didn't pay off. You were forced to offer. reasons anyway in the two weeks after. the invasion because people were pissed. What are we doing over there? So he just. initially he tried to sort of throw. darts at the board and say it's this, no, it's that. It's regime change. It's. the other. It's the nuclear thing. It. didn't work. >> Been our enemies for 47 years.

>> Yeah. Well, we're [ __ ] funding one. right now, the Taliban, which is where. that flag came from. And we're sending. them $40 to $80 million a week. >> That thing's amazing. >> We're we're we're literally funding that. [ __ ] enemy, but nobody gives a [ __ ]. And they're going to listen to this. [ __ ] crap that he says about Iran. being our enemy for 47 years, which they. were. A lot of my friends have been. killed by. >> Yep. Well, that's what he was banking on is. the American people's empathy for our.

own guys. And we remember, we have a. long memory for the Americans who were. killed by Iranianbacked funded IEDs. >> It's not what it's about. Otherwise, we. wouldn't be funding them. >> Correct. It's definitely not what it's. about. And we're not going to know Cuba. We're going to wake up one day and. there's going to be an announcement that. we took it. >> and. >> like Midnight Hammer. >> Yeah. But like the. >> we just decided to do this. >> We don't have a plan. There's no. long-term plan. There was no long-term. plan on Iran. And I don't believe.

there's a long-term plan on Cuba. You. know, I the best thing we have going for. us there is Marco Rubio seems to have. been focused on Cuba his entire life. So. maybe he'll at least say, "Yo, we need. to have a really good plan for after we. send the troops in and take it." because. I don't think Trump really likes the. follow-through portion of the invasions. You know, he doesn't really like having. to deal with the remnants of the bombs. And that's always the case. You know, it.

was Stan Mcrist, General Mcristel, who. said when we first went into Iran, you. know, it was a little tongue and cheek, but he basically said, "If you like this. war and you know, you're you're enjoying. watching our, you know, the power and. might of the American military, enjoy. it. Enjoy it while you can because the. bombdropping phase of the war is always. the best phase. It doesn't get any. easier or better from here. And boy did. that turn out to be true. Look at us. now. It is a quagmire and we don't know.

how to solve it and we don't have the. upper hand and the Iranians know it. So. maybe the solution is to go start. something in Cuba and see what's I don't. even know. >> Just to get a win. Yeah, I that's how. it's looking like that's a spike the. ball in the moment in in the endzone. moment for him potentially because it's. not it's not like a round doesn't have. 90,000 people in a in a like strong. [ __ ] like group of insurgents who. will never give up. It's a different. kind of it's more traditional in its. military defenses and the you know the.

American military can handle that I. think more easily than it can handle the. non-stop drone supply. and you know they instead of using a. nuclear weapon they they they. use they found a nuclear option which is. the straight of Hormuz. I don't think I. don't think that that's available in. Cuba. I have no idea. I'd love to hear. somebody spell it out for me. I actually. don't want to talk about Cuba. I don't. want to think about Cuba. I'm with. Sarah. I'm done with a straight of. Hormouth. I don't want to think about. think about them or Cuba. I want to.

think about myself, my family, and my. country. That's what I want to think. about. What's good for us? >> Well, how do we get out of this then? What's the real solution? >> Well, it's very good that Trump has. started to say he wants to be out of it. That's great news. He has realized this. is a mistake. There's no question. Otherwise, he'd be leaning into the. neocon pressure to do more bombing. You. know, they're all in a freakout now. Like, what? Oh my god. They can see he's. about to open up the financial spigot to. Iran to get them to give up the. straight. He's like, "Well, loosen all. the sanctions on your money that we've.

had in place all these years." And. they're like, "Great. We're going to be. rich again. Just got to give up the. straight." Well, the neocons are not. wrong. That that puts Iran in a better. position than it was before we started. this war where they weren't in control. of the strait and we had their money. You know, like now how how are we better. off with that deal than when we were. sitting across the table from them? They. didn't control the straight and we still. had their money locked up and we were. just negotiating about how little.

nuclear they could enrich. That's Trump. would give anything to be back at that. deal right now. >> They won. >> So, well, yeah, look, it's good that. some of their military assets have been. decimated. I'm not against that. You know, they're. not good people. They've been killing. our people. So, like, I'm not against. that. But like that's somewhat better. The June strike definitely did damage to. the nuclear facilities. That was good. I. actually supported that. It's very. different thing than this war. So I.

guess some good has been done towards. stopping the potential of a nuclear. threat in Iran. Let's take that as a W. It's a fake W, but let's just take it. and get out. And I think Trump's there. as he sees he's underwater with. literally every group and his poll. numbers are literally the lowest they've. ever been. His disapproval rating now is. the highest it's ever been in two terms. It's higher than after January 6th. >> Wow. >> So, he sees that. I mean, he's going to. be a lame duck even sooner than than the. midterms if these numbers keep going. lower. You know, he's losing Republicans.

now. The only area left to lose is. Republicans. He the Democrats, of. course, are gone. All the independents. are gone. They're against Trump now into. the mid to high 70s. So you've got one. tiny sliver of independence who might. still be open-minded to you and one tiny. sliver of that's the core maga. You can't lose that or you can't govern. at all. Even your executive orders are. going to be scoffed at and potentially. not followed. So he has accurately. deduced he does need to wrap it up. He's.

not he's not listening to the neocons. who are like right now saying double. down, bomb them to smithetherreens. You. know, remember when he said. unconditional surrender? That's what we. need because we can't open up the. financial spigot in exchange for the. straight of Hormuz. Let's take the. straight. Let's keep the spigot closed. Let's insist they give us the nuclear. dust. Let like like they want maximum. return on this investment and Trump has. realized that's not realistic. That's. good news. That's great. We should be. encouraging him to lean into that.

instinct. Um and I think some in some. way, shape, or form the Iran conflict. has to wrap up because he knows it. politically he knows it. Cuba, I don't. know. I really hope somebody. explains to me what the what he's. thinking. Like, it's very hard to make. an assessment from here. >> I meant the whole country. How do we how do we recorrect? [laughter] How do we get on the right. course? How do we get out from Israel's. thumb? How do we stop this? How how do.

we stop the forever wars? How do we It. just how do we get the pulse back to. where it needs to be? Nothing's on the right track. That's why I think voting for I mean get. them in in onesies and twoosies I I just. don't feel like they're going to last. >> I. >> feel like it needs to be a new party but. that's already been tried. [clears throat]. >> Or there can be a resting of control. within the existing parties. You know,

it's already starting to happen. You. know, the America first wing of the rep. Republican party is growing in. influence, in numbers. That's good. That's better than having the Mark Levin. party run our foreign policy, which is. what's happening right now. Um, the. Democrat party's changing, too. They're. getting a little less swampy and having. some more interesting players. come out of their team. No one so far.

who I would vote for. Like I said, Rahm. Emanuel is not really part of that new. wing, but they're reinventing, which is. interesting. Um, I just think, look, we've made it. 250 years. We're not going to implode in. the next five or 10 or 50. It's tough to turn an aircraft carrier. around. And that's the course we're on, the aircraft carrier where we've pissed. off all of our friends. You know, the. value of the dollar is what it is. We're. in 33 mill trillion dollars worth of. debt. you know, like that that's going.

to be tough to solve. But I do think. number one, shrinking government will. help. Number two, the laws of natural. consequences where. change does tend to follow massive. upheaval and upset and people are. feeling that. You know, the Iran war was. a bridge too far for millions of. Americans. I do think like the neocon. era is done. We thought it was done with. the election of Trump. Clearly, it. wasn't. But I do think the answers on.

those questions are going to be very. clear deal breakers in the next. election. No one who starts talking. about their commitment to Israel has a. chance in hell of getting elected. I. just they just don't. >> So don't you think Israel will just pay. them to not talk about it until they. win? >> They're not going to have a choice. It's. going to be the media thing. >> I [ __ ] hate that guy. But. everybody wanted me to bring his. opponent on to crush him. And I was. like, I'm not I'm not I don't care how. much I can't stand Dan Crunchaw. I'm not.

bringing his opponent on. I don't know. [ __ ] about him. And I'm not going to. vouch for him just cuz I hate this guy. And sure as [ __ ] he gets a he gets in. there and the first thing he does is. start spouting his [ __ ] allegiance to. Israel. >> Oh my god. >> So, thank God I didn't do that. That's. what I'm talking about. He I didn't I. didn't hear a word about that [ __ ] until. he won. Yeah, I just don't think that's you're going. to get away with that anymore. Not with. these approval ratings within the Dem.

independent and Republican parties now. It's it was never an issue before, Sean. Especially in GOP politics. Trust me, I've been near or in them for a long, long time. And it there was zero. downside to saying that you were 100%. pro-Israel and the Republican party for. my entire time at Fox News and beyond. Zero downside. That's why you've got so. many statements by Ted Cruz and others. like there is no daylight between me and. Israel. You know, I hope to be the the. number one most loyal to Israel senator. There is. >> Why? Why would you even say that? >> Because there was no downside to that as.

a Republican. It was always like the. weird Democrats who loved our Muslim. adversaries who hated Israel because. they were anti-semmites. That that was. the narrative. And the Republican party. was always like Israel is the only. democracy in the in the uh West that. that they're fighting the same enemies. we are that they have the same values. Judeo-Christian that you know that's a. stronghold for us too that they. cooperate with us on intelligence and a. lot of that is true. I mean they they. did cooperate with us on intelligence.

and you know we've paid a very high. price for that. Um, it turns out some of. those Middle Eastern Arab nations or. Muslim nations may not be quite as. hateful and dangerous to the United. States as we were led to believe. >> It's not to give radical Islam a pass. I'm against it. >> Um, but there is a version of Muslim. statehood that we can work with and that. doesn't need to be demonized as entirely. bad and an enemy. You're not allowed to.

say that. That's that's a no for Israel. You know, they're already talking about. what about Turkey? Might have to invade. Turkey. Okay. >> Trump's latest greatest idea is to force. Saudi Arabia and all these other. countries to join the Abraham Accords. He says Iran's going to join. [laughter]. >> Okay, cool. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Just the utter nonsense. But I I just think these issues are now. front and center in the Republican party.

in a way I've never seen before. I don't. think I know I know that's the case. It's going to sound very different the. next the next big election 28 the. presidential contest where we flesh out. the issues. Trust me, I've been there on. the debate stage with these candidates. where the media and the candidates get. to decide what's important to America. and they are driven there by the. populace and what messages they've sent. and Israel's 100% going to be one of.

those big issues. >> So, >> I hope so. >> It's one of it's one of the few bright. sides of this whole thing. >> All right. Well, I hope you're right. >> I'll come back in late 28. as we're getting close to the election. >> Hopefully, we have some uh decent. candidates [laughter]. >> and we can fact check this entire. segment. We can talk about what what. predictions came true. If we still have. jobs, >> we'll have jobs.

>> If AI hasn't replaced us, >> I already put in an application to be a. trash man. So, >> smart move. If I get if I get replaced. by AI, I hope she's a lot younger and. more energetic, [laughter]. >> man. Well, Megan, I really appreciate. you coming and this was an awesome. conversation. Thank you. >> Thanks, Sean. It's great to see you. Thanks for all the great work you're. doing. >> You too. >> Every everyone loves you. >> You too. >> Let's go blow some [ __ ] up. >> Cool. [music].

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