Luis "Lue" Elizondo - X-15 Rocket Plane, UFO Cover-Ups & a Mind-Blowing Google Search | SRS #168

[Music]. nice I thought morang isn't that. Dominican yeah so my family is Cuban my. father was actually in the Bay of Pigs. my father was a revolutionary um was. captured by Castro's men on the beach uh. on uh uh during the invade he was on the. USS Houston when it got rocketed um some. CIA guys also were there um didn't make. it unfortunately but uh uh he was for. two years in Castro's prisons um.

real my father was a wonderful human. being but he's also a very tormented. soul and now you know we can recognize. oh he had PTSD right or as the oldtimers. used to say shell shock um so he. struggled with with anger and volatility. for a very long time during his life and. as a young person uh I had a really. weird background um my there was always. this idea this understanding that um. after the Brigade 20506 which was what. my father was part of U in fact if you.

in my name Luis elzando and Bay of Pigs. you'll see my father's prisoner number. um there was always this understanding. that there would be a reinvasion of the. by the new generation by by by us by the. kids um and part of alpha 66 and try to. so I had a really weird um upbringing as. a child always with Smoke Filled rooms. and uh dim lights and weird. conversations and so at a very early age. I had my my taste of um of paramilitary. and I I.

I didn't even know it thought it was. part of Boy Scouts and you know you go. back to school one day what you guys do. for well I got my you know how to light. a fire badge what' you get oh we. disassemble AK-47s you didn't do that. [ __ ] we should dig into that we should. dig into that on the show but whatever. you want yeah we will. so Louis elzando welcome to the show uh. you can call me Lou if you want I know I. look more like a bob or a bill or a Joe. um thank you very much um Sean if I can. say something just for a moment.

this is an incredible honor and. privilege of mine and not for the. reasons that most people might think not. because um you have a very successful. show and then and you have a big. audience is because of who you are and. what you have done in the service of. your country. um there's a lot of people on the. outside that will see things that people. like you or maybe I have done and and. they tend to glorify that but we also. know the other side of that we know the. truth and we know the pain.

that it causes for the loved ones we. leave behind it causes um even to us to. some degree right you you keep a piece. of that those experiences with you at. all times uh and and some of us try our. best to try to suppress it but what you. have done for our nation um I'm not sure. most people in your audience can really. appreciate and I only know because I've. been there and experiened those things. with you guys and I just want to say. from the bottom of my heart and on. behalf of a very grateful nation. although maybe they don't realize it.

thank you for what you do we are only. here today having this conversation in a. wonderful country that we are in we have. uh in this incredible experiment because. of the sacrifices you and your. colleagues have made so before we begin. please accept my humble appreciation. sincere appreciation for the sacrifices. you and your families had to. make for for us for the rest of us. chickens thank you man thank you that. means a hell of a lot thank you. but um wow thank you for saying that and.

uh likewise. likewise let's get into the interview. huh so everybody starts with an. introduction here so I think we might. wind up doing a little bit of a live. story here I wasn't planning on doing. that but this sounds super interesting. Lou alzando Lou alzando you're a former. US Army Counter Intelligence special. agent and former employee of the office. of the under secretary of defense for. intellig he led a previously covert.

program within the Department of Defense. investigating unidentified aerial. phenomenon. UAP you came forward to the public about. Advanced Aerospace threat identification. program a bringing to light what the. government knew about these mysterious. objects in our skies since then you've. worked to educ educate both the public. and policy makers about the potential. implications of uaps for National. Security science and human understanding.

you've been involved with organizations. like to the Stars Academy of Arts and. Science aimed at advancing Research into. these phenomenas you're a fixture in the. UAP transparency movement and have. appeared in numerous interviews. documentaries and media segments. discussing uaps where you've shared. Insight from your experience while. critiquing the government's approach to. transparency on this. subject welcome to the show thank you. one point of correction um the UAP.

program at the Pentagon was not a CO I. did run covert operations and activities. but that was for another effort while. working for the US government the the. atip program Advanced Aerospace threat. identification program which I which I. help lead uh and working with some of my. colleagues was a very sensitive program. but it wasn't covert to to I know people. like to and and forgive me for that. saying that I don't know why it says. that um there's a legal definition of. covert activities and then there is from. the Department of Defense which is title. 50 and then from a title 10 or DOD.

perspective you have clandestine type. operations and sensitive operations but. but a tip was not cover it was it was. sensitive and a lot of classified. aspects to it but it was not a title 50. program although I ran it under when I. was wearing my title 50 hat Under the. covert umbrella but in itself it was not. a covert program it was a highly. sensitive program with a lot of. classified aspects that I ran while I. was running covert operations okay did. you did you start a tip I did not no no.

no it's it's it's fascinating actually. um the way a tip started it actually. started off as a program called ASAP the. advanced uh Aerospace weapons Advanced. Aerospace weapons special application. program ASAP you know D we love our. acronyms right Intel Community um it was. um in 2007 Harry. Reid senator who was by the way the. Senate Majority Leader at the time um. you had Senator Ted Stevens and senator. anyway so Alaska and Hawaii as well so.

Nevada Alaska Hawaii and even uh former. Astronaut John Glenn uh all got together. on the hill and somebody like bipartisan. so Republican and Democrat got together. and um put funding together to create a. program called a the contract vehicle. was called assap ASAP was a big program. in order to look at from the pentagon's. perspective the UAP or UFO in INF. vacular the UFO issue from there it. there was an aspect of a AAP was kind of.

think of a big umbrella and then you. have a little umbrella fitting. underneath this bigger umbrella which. looked at a lot of stuff uh to include. elements of that now is known as. Skinwalker Ranch and some other things a. tip was really focusing on nuts and. bolts of the UAP phenomenon so ASAP did. too but they were much broader think of. a shotgun approach versus a sniper. approach the shotgun being ASAP the. sniper being a tip and so I was actually. part of the a tip program um although I. worked with a lot of the elements in.

assap my focus was really nuts and bolts. on a interesting so that's it was. started by Jim latsky and and Jay. Straton on the AAP side you you. mentioned so it was three three state. centors that started at Alaska Nevada. and Hawaii is there I mean interesting a. lot of UAP activity in Alaska well. Stevens had his own UAP encounter while. as was a pilot believe it or not no and. let's not forget that he was World War. II uh Senator Ted in Senator uh Ina.

actually gave his his arm for his. country all of her veterans uh Stevens. was a pilot and U he had his own UAP. experience and then of course. interestingly enough you had he was. Alaska he was Alaska okay Ted Stevens. what was his experience well he reported. you know classic Foo Fighter experience. these objects that would would pursue. him uh while he was a pilot um and uh. they were performing in ways that he. couldn't explain they were outperforming. anything that he was aware of as a pilot.

um instantaneous acceleration very very. fast Maneuvers well beyond the the the. the structural limitations of what we. had at the time technologically and so. and this by the way this is not isolated. there's a if you get a chance to talk to. members of Congress privately a lot of. them will share with you their own UAP. experiences they're like hey I was. fishing with my son and all of a sudden. this thing comes out of the water saw it. right there in front of us um I think. you know politically they're a little. shy to have that discussion publicly now. maybe it'll come out but you'd be.

surprised how many people members of. Congress have had their own experience. is there a lot of I mean the reason I. brought up the three states Nevada. obviously a lot of activity uh Alaska. lot of activity Hawaii is there a lot of. activity down there well there is some I. would I I don't it's hard to say there's. a lot so there's a issue with Hawaii. it's population density and surface area. so Nevada Alaska lots of land mass when. you have people all around so you get. pretty much a good persistent Eye in the.

Sky maybe there's a farmer maybe there's. someone driving a truck maybe there's a. military person military bases Hawaii is. a much smaller land mass so you. have fewer people in a smaller area. looking up towards the sky so we don't. really know if Hawaii is necessarily a. hot spot uh we do have a military. presence there as we know uh and we do. have a couple sensitive facilities there. because of geographically where it's. located um and so it shouldn't be any.

surprise that we've had UAP activity. there but whether or not it's as much or. as consistent as some of these other. areas like we've seen with like now New. Jersey for example with the drones right. where they're being reported everywhere. you don't have that type of population. in Hawaii and you don't have the land. mass so we really don't know we don't. know if if there's actually more. activity occurring around the waters uh. we don't know if there's actually an. increase or a decrease simply because we.

don't have enough persistent I guess I. hate to use the word persistent. surveillance there but we just don't. remember it's it's a couple few little. islands in the middle of the Pacific. Ocean right and so unless you're right. there at the time something's happening. you're not going to know mhm you'd. mentioned uh skim Walker Branch I'm just. going I don't want to lose anything no. have you done any work out there with. Brandon or I I well so before Brandon. there was a gentleman named Bob Bigalow. from and he owned Bigalow Aerospace by. the way this is a this is a gentleman uh. who made his fortune in the hotel.

industry and then decided to jump to. Aerospace and actually succeeded right. so this is a guy who put together these. inhabitable inflatable type modules that. could hook on to the to the ISS space. station which by the way they're there. right now he actually has them connected. um and he had these projects Genesis 1. Genesis 2 projects to to create these. inflatable habitats uh for NASA as kind. of NASA's future Space Program um and he. was very successful so he actually. helped fund through his own money a lot.

of what ASAP originally did to include. Skinwalker Ranch he owned the ranch. before Brandon Fugal owned it and there. was a very. robust uh research effort ongoing people. don't know that oh it's just a bunch of. Hing no it wasn't there a lot of real. stuff going on a lot of real research. and I had access to a lot of those files. um that wasn't my portfolio specific so. I don't usually talk about it um there's. other people that are far more qual. qualified than me to talk about.

Skinwalker Ranch and by the way there. was more than one Ranch people don't. know that there were other facilities. wow I mean I would imagine there would. be but yeah I've been trying to get. Bigalow on here for for a while he he is. an elusive guy and then at inauguration. I actually shared an elevator with him. and uh I didn't say anything I don't. want to bug him but uh you know I just. he is a uh let him be he is I consider. him an American hero and and I don't say. LLY um you know people can think what.

they want of individuals but I've seen. what he's been able to contribute to our. country you know and if you ask him. whether he he likes me or hates me I. it's really irrelevant I've seen what. he's been able to do and what he has. done for our nation so um you know I'm. I'm eternally grateful for what what. he's done and and there's a part of that. story that hasn't come out yet I I think. I think our country owes him a great. deal of gratitude for what he's been. able to do for our nation so you were. affiliated with it be for when Bigalow.

owned I I was yeah what was some of the. stuff that you I mean what was going on. there is it similar to what's going on. with Skinwalker right now uh very. intense um you know again I I want to be. careful not to speak for other people. um but I can tell you that there are. some very strange things that occur uh. on on that facility on that ranch um. that that certainly warant additional. investigation um either they National. security implications well it depends.

what your definition of national. security is but there's certainly enough. going on there that warrants further. further inquiry um so I I'm I I applaud. what they're doing what what Brandon. fugle and others are doing I think it's. important I think why do you think Bob. never shared any of the research with. Brandon I've interviewed Brandon he's a. friend of mine now and uh you know he he. he did not give over any of the prior. research to Brandon when bought the. ranch so they're starting from square.

one I don't want to speak on anybody. else's behalf uh certainly not Bob. Bigalow or anybody else and that's. probably one thing you'll notice during. interviews I never speak for anybody. else um and I don't offer my opinion. very often because that opinion could be. wrong I I'd rather stick to the facts. but but I there could be one of two. things uh let's look at the let's look. at the full spectrum of why it could be. that maybe Bob says look I don't want to. predicate the science I don't want to I. don't want to Prejudice forgive me I. don't want to Prejudice the science uh. with with predicated information meaning.

here's access to all my data and you. take it from there start from scratch so. we have a fresh set of eyes on it and. remain objective maybe that's why or. could be hey you know what I paid a lot. of money and put a lot of time into this. I consider this information proprietary. um and you know you you're going to have. to figure this out yourself maybe that's. why or maybe um I don't know maybe there. would because there was some government. involvement maybe he can't maybe he's. like look it's proprietary to the us all. this information did is proprietary to.

the US government I can't release it. without the US government's approval I. mean those are just some of the wh ifs I. I don't know why um I've never had a. chance to ask Mr Fugal that question. directly um but I do know Bob Bigalow. and he never I don't think he'd ever do. anything just out of spider to be mean. I'm sure he had a very good re he's. always very calculated I'm sure he had a. very good reason for. that I'm always on the lookout for ways. to get healthier especially now that's. why I'm so glad I discovered armor.

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very. similar um well you me compared to. Brandon fugle doing now uh I think. there's there's some overlap but again. I'm not really tracking now currently. the skinwalker stuff that's that's. another group of folks um it's not that. I'm not interested I am I just I just. don't have the bandwidth I'm I'm I'm. simply as I tell people I am dancing as. fast as I can I I cannot turn the tempo. up anymore as fast as these legs will. move um so to to spend my time and. energy now on yet another portfolio um I.

I just simply I'd have to clone myself. yeah yeah. well Lou we have a patreon account. they're it's a subscription account. they're a top supporters good for you. and uh they've been here with us since. the beginning fantastic keeps growing. it's a community now and um I wouldn't. be sitting here without them and neither. would you be so great one thing I offer. them is to ask each and every guest a. question that comes on the show so. absolutely this one is from from Jake.

Gillian given your unique insight into. the UAP phenomena in its in its. potential implications for Humanity what. do you believe is the single most. critical piece of information the public. should understand about uaps right now. and why do you think this information. has been withheld for so long wow wow. Jake great great question so let me see. if I can deconstruct this a little bit. what is the one single aspect about the. UAP topic that should be that the public.

should understand about U public should. understand it should be revealed now and. understand its implications and the. importance of. it wow um there's not just one let me. let me see if I can break this down for. for Jake. um there are fundamental reasons why you. classify information by law by law and. then later on policy as well usually. it's to protect two things called source. and methods and then sometimes you can.

use it to protect some other things we. won't go into here but those are the. primary reasons what you can't do is. classify information to cover up. malfeasant or illegal activities or. something that might be embarrassing to. the United States you can't do it it is. it is against we used to do it as a. nation and finally Congress stepped in. after all these nasty little things that. we were doing like uh uh the syphilis. experiments for example or the CIA and. the LSD experiments right we we did some. pretty nasty things so Congress stepped.

in said no Moss if you're going to. classify information these are the. reasons why you classify information and. if you do it for any other reasons. you're. wrong um I don't believe that any. organization any. institution any government any. religion has the right to classify. information that should be universally. provided to all the people of the world. and all the citizens now what do I mean.

by. that Galileo Galilee when he first. proposed look through his telescope and. first proposed the heliocentric model. for our our solar system was met with so. much resistance that the church almost. burned him alive on the state and he had. to recant and say no I was wrong in fact. they even refused to look through the. very telescope to prove his observations. now we look back we say well that's. silly why why would anybody care that.

the the sun is the center of our solar. system and and not earth right well at. the time that information was thought to. be very threatening to the. judeo-christian belief system and and. the institutions at the time primarily. the church uh so they you know in. essence did they tried to classify that. idea don't tell the world that because. this goes against what we've been. telling people and I don't think uh you. know we look back hindsight being 2020. realize that was dumb why would you ever.

why would you ever do that why would you. stop somebody from telling the. truth I think this topic is very much. the same thing look we tell everybody in. modern terms every day that that North. Korea has Atomic capabilities and that's. not classified um the fact that the. Earth is not the center of the solar. system is not classified now what is. classified is the fact that maybe North. Korea how those those atomic weapons are. delivered and their flight. characteristics and their targets gotcha. and you want to keep that classified but. the fact that North has Atomic weapons. is not a classifiable fact just like.

we're not alone in the cosmos these. things are here it's becoming the worst. kept secret it's now a. liability there are two. fundamental two fundamental philosophies. about Secrets some people believe. secrets are like fine wine and the. longer you keep a cork on it the better. it gets the longer it ages I disagree. with that I've told people all along. since day one secrets are perishable. perishable they have a shelf life. they're like vegetables in your. refrigerator and if you leave them in. there too long they're going to rot and.

they're going to stink and then you got. a really big mess on your hands so if. you allow a secret to go on longer than. what's necessary it actually will start. working as a liability against you and. ultimately we've seen with the JFK files. it will start to erode the faith and. confidence and public trust in the very. institution that it was trying that. secret was there to try to protect this. is no different with the UAP topic it is. it is so obvious at this point and it's. other and our adversaries know it's real.

too to keep the mere fact of the. existence of. UAP from from the public knowledge I. think is a disservice I I don't think. any organization like I said or. government has a right to keep that. fundamental truth away from the American. people that that that's that's not their. business to do that now if you want to. say well how these things actually work. and because we obviously don't want. North Korea or some Ro Nation having. that capability to hurt us I got you but. to deny the existence of.

it I I think that's counterproductive I. think it actually works against um you. know trying trying to in in to reinforce. and instill faith and confidence in our. government I I don't think that's the. way to do it I think ultimately at the. end of the day everything is going to. come out anyways just like we see with. the JFK files um you know there's an old. saying from Bob Marley you can fool some. people sometimes but you can't fool all. the people all the time MH and I think. that's where we're at I think we now.

have to we have to reconcile and and. come back to the table and say yeah. turns out you know we've been. investigating the things for a long time. even though we haven't told you or maybe. we didn't tell Congress and we didn't. even tell presidents certain presidents. what we were doing now is that a problem. yes but we can figure that out we can. get over that Hill um what we can't do. is afford to to erode any more faith and. confidence the faith and confidence. right now in our government um at least. was. at an all-time low most people do not.

trust their government that's a problem. in a democracy that's a very I'm one of. them hey hey brother we both served our. you know Uncle Sam I got you uh and and. sometimes you know if you really love. something or love. someone you have to tell them what they. need to hear not what they want to hear. and this is a case I think this is why. I'm having this conversation the. government needs to hear Look it's time. for you to be honest with the American. people I know what I was part of my. colleagues know what they were part of.

we know what we've seen and so do the. pilots and so do the radar operators so. do the special operators and so do the. CIA Personnel cat's out of the bag guys. the cat is out of the bag so back to to. the question here what is the one thing. that should be revealed the fact that we. are not alone in the cosmos in our in. our in. our 200,000 years of existence as modern. Homo sapiens sapen as a species and only. really been the last hundred years we. had the technology to even begin to. explore our Cosmos is it possible for.

our. search for intelligent life that in all. that time Earth being 4 and a half. billion years old approximately that. that intelligent life found us first. yeah statistically yeah and then when. you look at the evidence suggesting that. and reinforcing that look someone is. flying these things around they are. intelligently controlled they can. outperform anything that we have so. who's behind it that's fine if you don't. you know want to consider that option.

it's either Russian Chinese or ours and. it's not ours we've already said it's. not ours we don't have that capability. and we damn sure hope it's not Russian. or Chinese because then we're really. screwed no by the way we've been dealing. with this topic now for the last what 70. some years can you imagine look when. these things food Fighters we talked a. little bit about uh Senator Ted Stevens. and and and Allied Pilots seeing these. these These Foo Fighters during World. War. II let me ask you a question Sean. right on the heels of World War II we.

had this rash of flying saucers being. seen and and. UFOs that were in some cases radar. returns in the early 50s doing 10 to. 13,000 miles an hour okay where were we. well we had just come out of World War. II we became the world's Premier. superpower we had barely broken the. sound barrier and we hadn't been into. space and we were transitioning from. propeller to jet to the jet age these.

things we forget about 13,000 mph we. could barely break mach one right um who. had that capability at the time if we. didn't well where was Russia they were. just entering the atomic age themselves. China they're in the middle of a famine. right so there's no one who had that. capability I always use this analogy. that would be like like going back into. the 40s that would be like going into. King touch tomb for the very first time. and as you're breaking down the the the.

rock wall and peering into the Vault all. of a sudden seeing a fully assembled 747. jet sitting in the Tomb muh temporally. it doesn't make sense the Egyptians did. not have that technology so what is that. aircraft doing in that tomb it doesn't. make sense so you know there's there's. the adage in the face there there's two. types of people in the world in the face. of new. information you can change your opinion. based upon new new facts or like some.

people reject the facts and stick with. your own narrative because it's more. comfortable and. convenient I think it's probably smarter. and wiser in the face of new facts we. need to recalculate our thinking and. that's why I think back to to this. question here it's important that the. people know that the US government has. been spending your taxpayer dollars a. lot of it trying to research these. things that are very real you don't. spend millions and millions of dollars. and billions of on a wild goose chase. you don't do it and and hiding black.

budgets and things you do it because. something's real and legit um and I. think that's that's where we are. certainly my experience in in the. Pentagon and and the intelligence. Community um this is substantiated well. I mean I think a lot of people think. maybe the Germans had some higher. technology well they did well they. certainly did we know that right they. had the the German VAV vafa program. wonder weapon program uh had in like the. mess Schmid right the me uh what was it. 108 I mean that uh the first jet. airplane really that they that it was.

the Germans that came up with it the V1. rocket the V2 rocket right the buzz. bombs and the and the long range uh. Rockets those were all German. Technologies in fact what Operation. Paperclip when World War II ended what. did we do we stole it all and brought it. here right verer Von Brown and and the. Saturn 5 rocket you know that was just I. hate to say it but that was a glorified. V2 rocket you know um so yes the Germans. did and then they had these other very. interesting programs you know not too. dissimilar to what the Pentagon had uh.

they had the the Nazis had something. called the anaura which really looked at. some kind of far out stuff now some. people will look and say oh it was. nothing but cult and Witchcraft okay but. there was enough dare there enough data. to suggest that whatever they were doing. worked or could help them with the war. effort so they invested a lot of time. and money into that um and that's not. just you know I I'm mentioning this. because you said Germans but other. countries the same thing there's other. countries that were always looking for.

that strategic Advantage what would it. take for me to have a decisive advantage. on the battlefield in the battle space. so people say well why would they spend. look our country did but one of my. colleagues Hal POF The Godfather of of. the US government the cia's psychic. Espionage program that's right I just. said psychic Espionage program your tax. dollars paid for programs like Stargate. and Grill flame before that and various. other names before that why because. there was some information to suggest.

that it worked and oh by the way the. Russians were doing the same thing you. know so people people look at things and. say well that's silly that would never. work and it turns out that sometimes it. does work look at the Navy s your Navy. guy the Navy sosus program back in the. 50s who would have ever thought well I. could just drop some microphones in the. ocean and maybe I can listen to Russian. submarines it worked right so um is it. really that is it pseudo science well. it's pseudo science and until it works. now it's just.

science I mean I I also think that maybe. uh As Americans we're a little arrogant. thinking that we you know that that. nobody else could have this kind of. Technology because we're so we're so. techn uh you we're so Advanced and you. know maybe somebody else has it they're. just not revealing it because they don't. want to play the [ __ ] World Police. right you know we get ourselves involved. and everything and and involved why. would you want to tell somebody look. like we're in this wonderful room here. but if you're like me and sometimes. paranoid I've always have contingencies.

and I have contingencies for. contingencies so if you were a country. that had some super secret technology. would you want to advertise the world. that you have it well what I'm getting. at right so it is possible we think. we're the smartest right but but this is. why I say temporally I I think now. you're right because we know that near. Pier adversaries are absolutely ahead of. us in certain areas I won't say what. they are but we know that and it's a. problem for us but if you go back to the. end of world War I are really who are. some who are some that are I can't say.

that I I don't want I I don't want to. you know there's I want to let our folks. in government do their job and they. don't need me spewing out. vulnerabilities that we might have where. other countries are ahead of us um but. you. know Quantum Computing for example you. know certain type of capabilities maybe. in in in in space we we we we have to. maintain that competitive Advantage but. again let's go back to what we. originally said here if you look at this. from from from a temporal perspective. time perspective at the end of World War.

II we really were the only world. superpower at the time we had dropped. the atomic bomb and and and decisively. ended World War II uh what was referred. to as the greatest Generation then began. to invest in the United States and. became the world superpower a dominant. power there was no real near Pier other. than the Russians at the time and they. were still nowhere near what we were. able to do so I can buy now if you say. that there is a foreign adversary that. has this. capability okay I doubt but maybe but.

not 70 years ago and and let's let's. look at this cuz Marco Rubio the the new. secretary of state when he was a Senator. said something very interesting he said. you know I almost hope that these things. are not human because if they're human. that's almost more scary who's created. this technology and I think he's. absolutely correct to put this into. perspective we spend billions with a B. billions of dollars each year to. maintain a strategic Advantage from. intelligence perspective all 17 agencies.

of the intelligence. Community to to know more than our. enemies right now imagine if there was a. country that had the ability to develop. a technology and deploy this technology. that could come into our country. completely unimpeded unchallenged unseen. be able to do whatever wanted to do. collect ISR on our military equities and. interfere with our nuclear your. strategic. capabilities turn them off right and.

then go back home no sweat and nobody. would ever know that would be and by the. way have been in development for the. last 70 years on this technology that. would be the greatest intelligence. failure this country has ever. experienced eclipsing that of even 911. because despite the billions of dollars. that we invest there wasn't a single. indication or shred of information over. 70 years that some country had managed. to develop this technology think of the. resources and infrastructure required to.

develop and deploy a technology like. that right and you didn't get one shred. of evidence in 70 years that country X. was doing that right so choose your. poison it's either someone else's or. it's foreign adversarial if it's foreign. adversarial you need to fire every. single person right now in National. Security and start from scratch and you. better not provoke a war because we're. going to lose so. that's the other part of that argument. if you if you say okay maybe some.

country did develop this in secret okay. well how when where right under what. circumstances and now China you mean to. tell me is going to be so Brazen in 2004. to fly this right off the coast of. California and oh by the way tangle with. two F-18. Hornets that doesn't seem very smart. that's certainly not where I test my. secret stuff you know we we test our. secret stuff at Area 51 in these places. out of the prying eyes of people to see. it now maybe it's some sort of red Force. probe right some some provocation to see.

our response sure but there's also. counterarguments to that as well so um. it simply doesn't make sense from a Time. perspective that some country had this. technology 70 years ago now sure maybe I. I doubt it but I would buy that more. that okay yeah China Russia in the last. five years has been able to develop this. not bad look 2004 how many people had. quadcopters drones didn't even really. exist in 200 before you had these fixed. wi remote control airplanes that you.

threw in combat maybe for 15 minutes to. get a sight picture on something you. know what type of drones did we have I. mean when I was in the Army right before. 2 uh 2001 we were dealing with model. airplanes Hunter uavs Pioneer UAP uavs I. mean it could be us just not revealing. it too because I mean if if we are that. techn uh technologically advanced then. you know there's there's not really any. money in that also think we both know. that a lot of these you know the wars. that we were in has to do a lot with.

with with KBR oh with the military. industrial to myself so for that. advanced and I mean we can end things. that quickly there's not really a lot of. money in that so they have to develop. all this other [ __ ] that's you know the. problem with that is that advanced it's. not really that advanced so that we can. spend all our [ __ ] money you know. what I mean developing all this [ __ ]. that's not that's not at the top because. if we just went straight to the top and. it just ends you know immediately well. we we I think I it's certainly.

possibility you're you're right Sean it. is something we have to consider but. again I go back to how is nobody talks. about that how no you're right how is. the T well because that that gets into a. very uh uncomfortable part of the. conversation uh but but it's [ __ ]. real oh I don't disagree yeah yeah yeah. but you know that can that I'm not. disagreeing. um but if you look at Blue Force. capabilities and how we test Blue Force. capabilities especially sensitive. capabilities what do you mean Blue Force.

capabilities uh us cap good question us. capabilities so if you look at the way. we test new types of capabilities right. uh for our military for intelligence we. do it in places out of the prying eyes. of eyewitnesses we do it in a place. where it's going to be safe and I don't. have to worry about a potential midair. Collision right I'm not going to test. this capability without letting let's. say the fleet commander know that hey. while you're out there in that range I'm. going to be testing my stuff there and. see how you react you don't do that. because you could have midair collisions. flight safety issues I mean it you.

that's why you have a joint staff to. coordinate these type of things and say. look I'm going to do an exercise and if. I want to if I want to test a new. capability I'm going to do on Area 51. I'm going to do it out of the prying. eyes of anybody in a place that's safe. and oh by the way if it crashes I don't. have to have a recovery issue on my. hands right where everybody's going to. see and I have a big profile so um I I. don't and we've already said for the. record and certainly when I was in the. government we looked at Blue Force. capabilities we've got some pretty cool. cool stuff I'll tell you that I mean. even Area 51 though it's not you're.

talking right after World War II objects. going 13 M 13,000 mil in low earth. atmosphere that's that's not Area 51. isn't big enough to conceal no that's my. that's my point it it that's exactly my. point if you're going to test a. capability like that you go to. Antarctica if you really have to right. or you're going to drop it from the. bottom of B52 at an altitude of 60,000. ft and test what you got to test which. by the way we've done the X15 is a. perfect example um but we do it in a way. that is it's safe and out of the prying. eyes of people that are not read onto.

the program you don't test it right off. the coast of California in the middle of. a fleet exercise with a aircraft carrier. dozens of Destroyers and support. vehicles and submarines and f-18s you. don't do that that's not how you you. conduct a classified program because too. many people see it um so I think there's. a you know there's a there's an argument. there to be made that you know obviously. I would rather this technology be ours. and Russian or Chinese but I think we're.

pretty clear now as a government it's. not our technology and and our. government has already said for the. record very senior people this is not. our technology so if it's not ours it's. somebody's who's is it what's the X15. X15 is a rocket powered aircraft um so. right on the heels of the supersonic age. uh we had just I think it was the uh X1. um was the experimental aircraft uh that. Chuck Jagger used to break the sound.

barrier for the first time roughly. 763 mph at sea level plus or minus um. the X15 was a Hypersonic vehicle that. was to take people into space believe it. or not in fact the pilots have astronaut. Wings it is a um think of a little a. long skinny pencil with stubby Wings on. it uh it doesn't even have landing gear. it has skids and it's dropped from the. wing of a B-52 at high altitude and then. uh accelerates up to Hypersonic speeds.

and goes to the upper limits of our. atmosphere and into a a low earth orbit. in fact if you look at that platform the. X15 not only does it have wings and. control surfaces but because it flies so. high it has to have thrusters just like. a just like a rocket just like a space. shuttle uh and that was really when you. look at how we were testing I think. there were only six of those ever built. uh they started off with twin 500. horsepower 500,000 horsepower engines. then they switched to a general electric. 1 million horsepower engine um and in.

fact there was even a death associated. with the X15 because uh apparently had. an issue with uh Telemetry and it flew. so high that when it was coming back. down to earth it uh it burned up it it. didn't re-enter properly and and. unfortunately the test pilot was killed. um but the X15 was really our first. early attempts and you're talking maybe. 4,000 miles so Mach 5 is hypersonics the. definition of Mach super Sonic which is. the the speed of sound faster than the. speed of sound roughly 760 some milph at.

sea level Mach 5 is is defined as five. times the speed of sound so five times. that speed so um the X15 was one of. those preliminary early efforts to get. into the the area of hypersonics it was. manned and so the X15 was and so when. you compare that to objects that are. doing 10,000 13,000 mil hour and we had. barely broken for th000 M hour with the. X15 again who had that technology and.

more importantly who had that technology. to deploy it over the United States. because we were seeing these things and. they have been reported over and over. again since the late 1940s there's a. very interesting document Sean I'll. share with you um that really I think. emphasizes and and later on in interview. if you want me to read it to I will um. there's a very interesting document and. the date of that document that really is. I think rather profound and really. demonstrate that we're not dealing with.

our technology or or foreign adversarial. technology let's read it right now don't. forget actually you know what it's on my. phone and I don't have my phone here um. let's take a. break this episode is sponsored by Roa. Roka is a performance eyewear brand for. people who want to invest in themselves. Roa manufactures premium sunglasses. prescription eyeglasses and readers and. cuts all of their lens is here in the US. at their Headquarters in Austin Texas.

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it for for quite a while so if I have. your permission I'd like to to read. something out loud and yeah let's do it. let's do it you have to forgive me I. need my old man glasses cuz uh I am old. this is gray not. blonde am I'm an. Oldtimer I'm also a lot slower than I. used to be tell me about it yeah I got. my kid a. trampoline try to burn some energy off I. got on there thinking like oh yeah this. will be great uh yeah it's terrifying. isn't it my knees and dislocated my.

shoulder again exactly I'm like oh I. don't remember remember any like I used. to so I'd like to read to you just. briefly a a very uh it's a two-page. official document and it's uh the you. look at the letter head it's. headquarters United States Air Force. Washington DC with another header uh the. Inspector General us Air Force uh I. think it's 17th district office of.

special investigations is this the. before you read is this the one you were. telling me downstairs it hasn't been. released to the public yet it has well. people a lot of people don't know about. it it has been officially re released. and downgraded from its classified. original form through the Freedom of. Information Act but it's been lost to a. lot of people a lot of people don't even. know where it exists and I've got a. whole bunch of these but let me just. read you one if I can to kind of. emphasize what I'm saying the subject of. this memorandum basically from the. Pentagon right summary of operations of.

aerial phenomenon in the New Mexico area. and I'm not going to tell you the date. yet in the first paragraph it was. determined that the frequency of. unexplained Arial phenomenon in the New. Mexico area was such that an organized. plan of reporting these observations. should be undertaken right so they're. seeing so many of these they need to. start an. investigation The Observers of those. phenomena include scientists Special.

Agents of the office of special. investigations Air Force. OSI airline pilots so civilian Pilots. military Pilots Los Alamos security. inspectors military personnel and many. other persons of various occupations. whose reliability is not question so. these are the best of the best B. security clearances and what not trained. observers and they talk about some of. the the the the morphology of these.

phenomena to include diss or variations. thereof and so in the conclusion set. sentence this is paragraph six this. summary of observations of aerial. phenomenon has been prepared for the. purposes of reemphasizing so obviously. they wrote reports before this one and. reiterating the fact that phenomenon. have continuously occurred in the New. Mexico Skies during the past 18 months. and are continuing to occur and.

secondly that these phenomenon are. occurring in the vicinity of sensitive. military and government installations. interesting now what's the date of this. report 25 May. 1950 that's from 1950 it is from. 1950 and there are a treasure Trove of. these things that anybody can look at. now and see and this is not world. according to Lou Alando I'm not telling. you this MH your government's telling.

you this not me the same government that. later on told people oh nothing to see. here folks in secret they're saying. there's a lot of things to see here. folks and we got to pay attention yeah. yeah so there in lies I wish we had. recordings of people's reactions instead. of like these these [ __ ] typed up you. know reports that have to sound well you. can see that last paragraph right where. it says the purpose of this is to. reemphasize and restate right so you can.

sense the frustration that that action. isn't being done there's there's CIA. documents that talk about how we're. going to go ahead and collect. information on these things there's. radar reports track reports multiple. radar systems tracking these things. doing 13,000 mph in a low earth. atmosphere environment where the. friction of of air is put it this way. the sr7 locky wife 12a SR71 Blackbird. when that thing is doing about 3,200. miles an hour the entire aircraft had to. be made out of titanium to keep the.

plane from melting because it gets so. hot cuz it's flying at that speed and in. fact the coolest part of that engine on. the SR71 they played it in gold is. 800° Fahrenheit right those are the. that's the heat you're talking about now. that's at 3,400 mph imagine 13,000 mph. and by the way by the way no signature. no Sonic Boom no acoustic signature no. contrail like you see with a Jet Plane.

when you're flying at 33,000 ft no. signature at all I got a question for. you totally off you know I was just. thinking about the recording stuff and. you've obviously been involved with a. lot of this stuff I know you can't talk. about everything but why is it always. these [ __ ] reports that have been you. know I mean what about the initial. interview you know somebody goes out. there and does the initial [ __ ]. interview why why don't we have where. are those ings EXA rather than some. [ __ ] you know typed up thing hey.

this came from this came from the the. interviewer they got passed to the. analyst they got passed to the whoever. reports to the whoever you know where. are those initial recordings are they. recorded well sometimes sometimes. they're audio recordings sometimes. they're written reports sometimes so in. this particular case as as you probably. already that would be the most. descriptive account right well from one. person keep in mind when you want to get. all the different perspectives right so.

the idea of a report like this isn't to. just give you one compelling story it's. to take all those reports that you're. getting from various different remember. Pilots off OSI agents military personnel. right you it's in the report so. obviously there's a lot of people. reporting these things and so this type. of report is really an amalgamation of. all those reports to send up to. headquarters what you don't typically do. and I can tell you this as as a former. special agent myself in the field when. you taking notes and you're writing. reports you understand that the report.

that you're writing isn't necessarily. the one that's going to go to. headquarters the one that's going to go. to headquarters is usually by the senior. person who's taking all the reports and. creates a comprehensive single report. and says this is what we're doing so. that two-page memorandum that I just. read portions of there's probably. hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of. pages that are used to substantiate that. one report so so where are those. documents well they're usually in the. hands of the investigative agency so for. example whether it's Army or the Air. Force OSI Army Counter Intelligence Air. Force OSI or navy NCIS right they they.

don't typically share those reports. because some of them are what they call. law enforcement sensitive some of them. are intelligence sensitive and a lot of. them are very very classified because. you're talking to people in key. positions who have key jobs maybe. they're working on special access. programs so you've got to you've got to. compartmentalize that information and. then in order to distribute that. information up to the highest level. you've got to start whittling away some. of the more sensitive information say. here's the Salient facts here you go. it's just like when you go to court mean.

I'm I'm aware of that you know cuz of. what I used to do but what I'm asking is. where do those go most of them I think. that old are probably gone they're. supposed to be archived um I can tell. you when I and this is you know God I. can't believe I'm going to say this is. one of my. greatest greatest disappointments in. myself um professionally speaking so. when I was um a young younger agent um. one of my jobs was to go to a particular. military base where they had all the old.

archives of classified reports back to. Korean War Vietnam and there was this. huge archive in the basement of a. particular Office on Fort me I won't say. where it is where the uh Army and some. other elements kept all their old. historical reports intelligence reports. talking to sources it became so big and. so cumbersome that there was an effort. to try to digitize all of that it. couldn't be done and this was in the day. and age where we didn't really have very. good technology everything had to be. hand jammed into a machine and scan and.

cataloged and blah blah blah blah so. very labor intentive so the Army decided. okay anything over 25 years old unless. it's obvious we need to keep it we want. you to shred it and so one of my jobs. was to go in to this place into this. huge room and go through file after file. after file and Shred stuff H and now we. look back and say wait a minute that's. that could be considered evidence you're. right but that was what we were told to. do. and it wasn't they're trying to cover. their butts just too much you have room. after room after room of file cabinet.

after file cabinet of classified. information that's 253 35 40 45 years. old proba what the FBI's doing right now. before cash gets. out God I hope not uh hope that they're. not doing that um but that's what was. going on so I I suspect a lot of this. may have just been lost a lot of it may. have been chewed up burned up over the. years shredded um you know you have. people that come and go they put. something in a safe a five dra security. container with an X xo10 lock on it.

someone forgets a combination they drill. it out oh there's some documents here go. ahead and shred the documents these are. from you know 25 years ago nobody cares. they don't even bother to look at it um. some of it just may. be that incompetence maybe some of it is. uh uh not pretty sure a lot of it's not. deliberate people just don't know what. the hell they're looking they see a. project code name blue phoenix okay so I. don't know what that is obviously it's. not that important it's 35 years old. shredd. it I mean you're an investigative guy.

right well they said I used to be I I. don't know if I could so what you had. mentioned ancient Egypt earlier and and. it was just an analogy you know what if. we went in there and there was a 747 in. one of the [ __ ] pyramids look is any. a lot of people think that the Egyptians. the you know ancient whatever whatever. the tribe was and or or you the. peruvians you know all these PL Easter.

Island had some kind of you know that. they were way more advanced than what we. what they've been made out to be I mean. they still can't explain how the. pyramids were made they got these. underground caves that you know Graham. hancok kind of brought to life I think. they're in Turkey it's like entire. cities under the underground I mean is. anybody looking back at that and trying. to piece any of this stuff together. great question. I think there's a lot of people on the. outside of the government that certainly. are they they see they see nobody within.

well let me get to that I can't say that. so um you know there's a lot of people. trying to find congruencies can we see. see things in the old world and make. some sort of analysis based upon what we. know now and make compare and contrast. capabilities um I can tell you when I. was in atip program several of us spent. a good deal of our time looking at. ancient script of human beings whether. it's ancient Sumerian in couni form or.

hieroglyphics or runes and uh looking at. a lot of different things because. several of the UAP that we were. investigating uh were reported to have. some sort of writing on the outside now. that's very significant writing runes. some sort of symbols and so the idea was. is there a way to decipher these by. looking at ancient human writing and see. if there was any overlap was there ever. a time where maybe some of that ancient. script that we have was actually.

influenced by an external Source meaning. someone saw something in the sky that. landed and it had these writing on and. therefore that inspired for them to. write stuff right are there any stories. like that are there any cave paintings. that maybe ancient humans came into. contact with something and if you look. at the indigenous people here in the. United States they talk about the ant. people right and some of their Genesis. stories talks about things from out of. there and same with the Aboriginal. people in in in Australia some even in. Africa a lot of them have very similar.

type Genesis stories so one of our. efforts in agypt was to look at ancient. human text in all various forms to see. if there was any correlation now. interestingly enough what what the. scientists that I was working with came. up with which now looking back seems. obvious but it wasn't obvious at the. time the mere fact that there is writing. on some of these vehicles whatever they.

are can allow you to formulate several. conclusions one is let me ask you Sean. what what do we use as humans what is. writing for what what do we use writing. to do communication doation non-verbal. communication right a thought an idea an. order something I'm going to give you an. order write it down right I'm going to. tell you something when I write it down. in a document and give it to you it's. indelible it's there always what do we. use what are we communic well it depends. sometimes we're communicating you know. like if you see go to a Jeep jamere and.

you see a sign that says if you can read. this flip me over I've turned over right. or uh if you can read this something. went wrong call home um or it could mean. something else but it also means that. whoever is using the writing that human. eyes the way we look at eyes and the. electrooptical Spectrum the way we look. at data whether it's a magazine or a. report or whatever it might be. dictionary or Bible um you have to have. eyes eyes that's why blind people use. barel because they can't see they can't. read so whoever wrote that a is smart.

enough to know that they want to. communicate a message and two that. whoever is going to read it has to have. eyes of some sort some sort of eye that. can can differentiate and actually see. that and then interpret that as an. actual message and so that's a huge deal. because that that's fundamentally you're. talking a higher functioning brain. because there's no animal in in right. now on Earth other than that use writing. to communicate information and knowledge. right so that's a distinctly human thing.

that's a very highb brain functioning. thinger at least for most people a high. high high functioning brain capability. and then it also means that that whoever. is reading it the audience has to have. eyes so two fundamental things whatever. whatever is behind these things they. have eyes of some sort some way to. visually see something recognize it and. interpret that information and that they. have a higher functioning part of the. brain that can take those symbols and. those symbols have a meaning and so that. was kind of a pretty big moment for us.

in atip because we realized hey there's. maybe a lot more similarity here than we. we think right there's there's some. things that we. share that with something that seem to. be only humans can do and now it turns. out that maybe something else can do too. or someone else can do too um so we do. look at ancient I know your question is. more like about ancient technology and. and and capability not necessarily I. mean there's even that other uh I can't.

man I'm going to butcher her last name. Diana Pula yes Pula just interviewed her. not long ago we haven't released it yet. but I mean she talks about a lot of the. stuff you know within the Vatican some. of the you know I mean I've seen some of. it it's yeah legit had a a senior. academic share some information with me. um and uh it was in Latin and it was a. communication over 2,000 years old. between a Roman soldier and a Roman. general and um the Roman Shield at the.

time they called eclipes eclipes in. Latin means like eclipse the Sun shaped. like the sun and they discussed there. how these flaming Roman shields in the. sky were following them from Battle. space to battle space right saucers. lenticular objects so think about that. for a minute U going back to your your. your point about ancient Egypt look. you're absolutely correct there's. ancient knowledge that we don't know how. it was done look Baghdad battery what. the hell in Iraq were they building.

ancient batteries for but that's exactly. what it was what do you mean ancient. batteries I don't know about that oh. yeah yeah using copper and and stone. wear filled with a solution probably. orange juice they were creating electric. currents you can look it up on on phone. you look on your computer it's called. the Bagdad battery this is before. electricity supposedly was invented. before we ever discovered something. called the electromagnetic spectrum an. electron. and millennia go they were using it for. something they were creating electricity. it's called the Baghdad battery that's a.

fact right you can go I just came back. from from from England and uh in the. museum there the British museum there's. an entire Sumerian art collection there. and there's a wall and I have pictures. of it that depicts ancient surian. warriors doing what being frogmen scuba. diving underwater they had this sack. that they would hold and there's. actually depictions of these people. swimming underwater breathing with these. sacks H so you know we it's easy to look.

back and say oh the ancient people that. were basic but can you build a pyramid I. can't can I mean how much resources. would it take now to build a pyramid. yeah you can go to Las Vegas and see one. that kind of looks like one but it's not. a pyramid you're talking millions of. stones placed in an exact position cut. precisely with with tooling that even to. this day we have a time replicating with. all the tunnels inside of with all the. tunnels inside of that look at look at.

some of the H blocks down in in in Latin. America South America uh in in Pumapunku. look at look at there is an ancient. technology go to Greece and at the base. of the parthan you'll see these huge. huge huge stones that even today we're. not quite sure even some of our largest. cranes would have that capability the. infrastructure required is is is. enormous and there's there's other. places around the world that are just. like that so you know you know we can. turn around and say oh ancient societies. they were they were primitive well you.

know don't be so quick you know look. I'll give you another case in point. there's a there was a discovery done. talking about Egypt about um ancient. mummies where they found traces of what. in their bodies cocaine now cocaine. doesn't grow on that continent it only. grew in South America the cocoa Leaf. right how in the hell is are coca leaf. and the derivative of the processing of. to create cocaine found in some mummies.

thousands of years ago in Egypt you're. saying these ancient mummies were. partying with cocaine I'm just kidding. careful I don't there party with it but. anyway my point is whether it's used for. medicinal purposes or whatnot but but. yes so that is that is a fact you can. see it they they pulled the traces up. how did that happen if these ancient. trade routes didn't exist right there. was no crossing the Atlantic Ocean or. the Pacific Ocean. so there's a lot of mystery with with. with our ancients and our ancestors that.

you know I think it's it's fool hearty. for us to just be dismissive and say oh. they were they were primitive they were. Savages no they weren't look at look at. the look at what the Aztec were able to. do with a calendar and predict even even. even lunar cycles and to include. eclipses I couldn't do that now but yet. they were able to do it so I I am not as. dismissive and this is this is why going. back to atip and the and looking for. UFOs it was important for us to see if.

there was any context in which we could. see any similarity any inspiration that. might have existed between Ancient Man. and perhaps something. else so there is government officials. that are looking back at this. stuff I'm pretty sure there still are I. don't know if I know we did I can't they. are right now but they'd be fool Hardy. not to there's there's you have to do.

proper research if you really want to. solve a. mystery yeah now keep in mind let me. also say though it also in in defense of. some of the other folks who said we. weren't interested in that very much. because it didn't apply to today when. you know as well as I do you're talking. to a three or four star general I can't. show up and say hey boss you need to see. this document from 1950 they don't care. they want know what happened yesterday. and what's happening today yeah that's. great Lou but I don't really care what. happened 70 years ago what happened to.

our F-18 yesterday that came into. contact with a bogy that's what I want. to know I don't give a crap about that. stuff I care about this so there is also. that this this this sense of urgency. from an operational perspective you know. to keep it f from a national security. perspective you're really not going to. spend a whole lot of resources looking. in the past as you are going to be. looking into the present and trying to. predict the future from a military. National Security perspective right I. don't care about Japan's use of a. Mitsubishi zero back in World War II as.

much as I care about maybe Chinese. stealth technology being used. today I. mean usually I wait till the end to ask. these kind of questions but me what what. do you what is this stuff is this nuts. and bolts is this I mean I didn't. realize that you were connected to put. off I've talked to a ton I talked to. Skip Atwater joov M mogle um I've done a.

handful of these guys Edwin. May um Angela Ford you know I mean I. didn't I did not realize you were. involved or how whatever your. involvement was with that I mean could. this. be and I don't know what you know that. you can't. say is it n boli i can could this be. type of collective. Consciousness that all of these.

experiencers are. experiencing I mean we got we got the we. got neuralink coming online you know. probably very soon and I I interviewed. andreww huberman about uh we we had a. little bit of a talk about that and how. you know it would technically be. possible for for with neuralink to. create an entire false reality motions. all of your senses touch taste feel.

feelings. um you know U Vision you know I mean. that's one of the things neuralink is. going to do is is hopefully help blind. see I mean it is that a possibility is. that what this could be or TR it can be. everything and and and and and all of it. together we've got grush who's coming. out saying that they've they have crash. retrievals where. I mean and everything's so vague where. we've recovered nonhuman biologics is. that is that the terminology that's that.

use I mean that could be a that could be. a deer carcass next to an airplane crash. you know I mean I'm not saying that's. what it is but you know put a fancy term. behind it behind you know like non-human. biologics okay well is that a a dead. mouse I mean that doesn't really mean. they're using non-human intelligence nhi. so it's not just non human biologics. it's it's non-human intelligence what. does that mean well intelligence infers.

that there's a higher functioning of the. brain right and there's may even be so. to answer your question thoroughly we. first need to break down and have an. agreement on certain terminology so. let's talk about for example. Consciousness you hear that term used a. lot human consciousness you know but. what does that mean if you go to. somewhere in California out by the beach. someone says yeah man the world's about. to the world is a bud about to Blossom. and you know human consciousness we're. all together then you talk to a neural. scientist and they say you know it's. actually a Quantum process it's actually. probably based in quantum entanglement.

and human consciousness is is something. that is distinctly different than than. human intellect and human physical sense. there's there's another part of the. human being another component that makes. us human besides a brain and a body uh. so we have to first agree what that. means secondly we also have to. understand that the human being is an. incredibly complex organism my. background is micro I went to school. professionally to be a microbiologist. and an immunologist so I am a disciple. of science always have been always will. be I was never a science fiction kid I. always tell people I was more of a GI.

Joe kid than I was a Star Wars kid so I. I was trained in science and and and. empirical data collection uh the. scientific methods and principles and. then I became an agent right which is. just the fact meam kind of guy just give. me the data I don't care what you think. I don't care how you feel give me the. data let's see what the data. suggests um so but I think we need to. understand the notion of human. consciousness our taxpayer dollars have. been used to explore idea over and over. and over again because there is there's. enough information there to to suggest.

that there is there is something to this. human consciousness like again remote. viewing program with Stargate right um. we actually did that against the. Russians and they did it against us and. we did against other targets and to some. degree there was there was some real. success there despite what some people. may tell you it was successful and might. still be um but with that. said let's take a quick exercise on. human in Consciousness and and trying to. decipher what that means you said you. have a daughter right mhm do you love.

your daughter very much absolutely and. so do I but what if I said to you prove. it how prove it to me you love your how. do how do you know what it is and what. is love I mean we all feel it right but. but how do you know you really love your. daughter well you can't prove it because. it's it's something that we all. recognize as being real as part of us. and our existence our experience but. it's really hard to Define and you just. know it of course I love my daughter. I'll do anything for my I'll die for my. daughter but prove it well dying for my. daughter isn't proving I love her it's.

just proving that I'm dying so so how do. you do that how do you how do you define. something that is that is inherently so. hard to Define now take that. conversation and apply it to all of. human consciousness what is. consciousness what is it even right and. is it possible that human. beings um have something uh uh uh. indelible Beyond. the body and the mind something that. lives beyond something that is greater.

than the physical sense and the. intellectual sense look you and I are. are if you compare us to a banana I. think we share like 75% of our DNA with. a banana and like 99% of it with the. chimpanzee but if you were to compare. our DNA yeah there's some differences. but for the most part you both we both. have two arms two legs and fingers and. two eyes and bilateral symmetry so we're. not really physically that different you. know and then if I ask you about your. brain well maybe it's a brain that makes. Shawn Ryan who Shawn Ryan is well okay. but if you look at the neural Pathways.

and you go to a neural surgeon they're. kind of the same as mine and medu abling. and the frontal cortex and you know the. parts of the brain are pretty consistent. throughout other humans that's why we. can do brain surgery you know where. things how things are wired for the most. part so that's not what separates us. what makes sha Ryan Shan Ryan what makes. Shawn Ryan willing to go to battle and. go to war and potentially die for his. country uh or Luis Eland to do what he. does. well that's the question is that where. human consciousness lies is that where.

where human. sentience is and is that something that. is shared with other higher life forms. or is it specifically humans I have I. have five German Shepherds love them and. they all have human names but let's face. it they're not really humans and I talk. to them like babies because that's what. we do oh you such a cute little p right. but in reality it's a dog now it's it's. not a human but because we are. anthropomorphic creatures because. everything we do we judge our entire. sense of reality based upon what we know.

and who we are so we superimpose that on. other things that are alive and. sometimes even not alive why why people. refer to their boats as a her right. she's beautiful boat because that's what. we do innately we are trying to to. ascribe something else with our own. values and attributes it's just what we. do instinctually so when you're dealing. with something that is potentially truly. non-human Tru potentially nonh and non-. Earthly how do you deal how do you deal.

with something like that well the only. way you know how is by ascribing human. attributes to it is is say Well they're. maybe motivated like us and they have. they they're scared like us and they. have of whatever biases they have we. have those to and it's it's a way for us. to relate to something that is it's a. way for us to know the unknowable. potentially and so when we talk about. human consciousness and is it possible. that these things are also part of a a. larger Consciousness Network well it's.

possible it's possible everything. sentient has that you know so you have. societies that will refer to that as as. a soul or a chi or an ID or put whatever. name you want to put on a spirit but is. that what really means to be human. because this is not really any different. than yours there's something else that. makes sha Ryan who Shawn Ryan is and. it's not your physical self and it's. maybe not even your brain. so that's part of the that's part of the.

discussion and then you know you talked. about about the the the five fundamental. senses in which we we judge our. environment in the universe and for a. millennia look Homo sapiens sapien in. modern format has been around talk to. most anthropologists maybe the last 2 to. 400,000 years Earth has been around for. four and a half billion years so so. modern humans have only been here in a. blink of an eye really just poof just. say I popped in and and here we are um. we have five fundamental s by which we. judge our environment and in fact the. way we process information and if you. can't touch it taste it hear it smell it.

Etc we don't know it's there in fact. it's one of the reasons why we use radio. telescopes where I live in Wyoming. beautiful unoccluded night skies to see. all the stars in the heavens and yet. when you look at that same part of the. night sky through a radio telescope what. do you see oh you see all sorts of new. stuff you see meelin clouds and you see. nebula things that you can't pick up. with the human eye in fact most of space. lies be beyond our ability to directly. perceive it if you look at the. electrooptical Spectrum between red and. blue right the way we see the universe.

that's only. .35% of the entire electromagnetic. spectrum again. 0.35% of the entire electromagnetic. spectrum that little narrow sliver of. window that's how we perceive our. reality so most of reality lies beyond. that imagine if you had cell phone. signal cell phone vision and now you. could see in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth and you. could see in FM and AM and GPS your. perception of reality would be different.

fundamentally different and your. awareness would be different than what. it is right now and then you have a. scalability issue as human beings if you. look I tell people if you want to you. really want to get your mind blown look. type up on Google or any search engine. the words pale blue dot and what you're. going to see is this black Inky. Blackness and right in the middle about. maybe two pixels large a little blue. fuzzy dot what that dot is is when we. sent out the Voyager spacecraft on one.

of its last commands we told it turn. around and take a picture of home of. Earth everything you have ever known. you've ever learned everything you ever. loved everything you ever feared every. person that ever lived in history every. person that ever died ever is all on. that tiny little blue dot hurling. through the vacuum and Inky Blackness of. space now that's uncomfortable for some. people to think about and then when you. think about this size of the universe. modern right now most astrophysics. physicists uh and cosmologists agree.

that the visible Horizon meaning as far. as we can see in any direction from one. end to the end of the universe is about. 40 billion B billion Lighty years now. what's a light year it's the time it. takes in the distance traveled by a. photon of light in one year so how fast. does light actually travel 186,000 m per. second that's 7 1/2 times around our. plan. in 1 second multiply that to a year and. now multiply that to 40 billion years.

right that is an enormous distance and. that's only only 10% of the actual size. of the universe as predicted Now by some. scientists because most of the universe. is too big it's too far away the light. will never reach Earth so now you're. talking about a universe 100 billion. light years and human beings this. infinitesimally small Speck right in the. middle right as mind-blowing as that is. if you take one hydrogen atom avagadro's. number 6.23 or 6.28 * 10.

-23 in size that's roughly the same. magnitude order of magnitude that atom. is to us as we are to the universe. meaning we sit right in the middle of. the Scale of the Universe and mostly we. can only interact as human beings with. one order of magnitude or two orders of. magnitude up or down otherwise simp the. universe is too big or too small we. we'll never know and that's where most. of reality actually lies so for us to.

sit here and say well you know these. things and they can't possibly be this. and we know nothing we we our un our. perception of the universe is so limited. it's like trying to look at the Grand. Canyon through a soda straw you know. it's it's it's incomprehensibly large. and complex and we're always learning. something new about our universe and our. place in our universe and so when you. talk about human con ious I know this is. a very long-winded way to have the. conversation but it's important because. we don't understand Consciousness we.

don't understand how it works right if. it's really part of quantum entanglement. and and where space and time is. irrelevant we live in a. three-dimensional space with three. axises right X YZ and AIS plus time as a. function of the fourth dimension but we. experience time linearly unlike space. where we can experience it three. dimensionally for the most part human. beings experience time linearly meaning. it's one way but is that really the way. time works well we know time is relative. because GPS satellites that have a have. an atomic cesium clock on board which is.

the exact same atomic cesium clock we. have at the ground station we started. noticing something very weird we had. something called Atomic drift meaning. depending how far the satellite was the. GPS satellite was from the surface of. the Earth the more there was a deviation. in the time on that Atomic cesium clock. now how is that possible if the atomic. Decay the halflife is exactly the same. as the one on the ground the reason is. because time the further you get away. from a massive object time gets time. runs at a different rate literally at a.

different rate and so we now know that. the very notion of time isn't actually. linear and so I've often explained human. consciousness potential potentially this. is just I don't know this for sure this. kind of the way I've experienced it and. especially if you talk to some remote. viewers you can imagine if I were to ask. you a question Sean I say Sean give me. your. give me your simplest in in less than a. sense few words as possible if I were to. ask you Sean what's your definition of.

the past what would it be and it's not a. trick question answer it any way you. want as simply as. possible definition of the past. definition of the past what's your. definition of the. past prior experience right something. that already happened right it already. happened and by that same definition if. I ask you Sean what's your definition of. the future what would it be what's going. to happen what's going to hasn't. happened yet right so very simple. already happened it's going to happen so. by those definitions if I say now Define.

for me the present what is it well the. present isn't a moment of time it's. actually a transition process where the. future becomes the past and it happens. so quickly and so fast that it's. probably measured better in plank time. than in actual human seconds um and it's. not really a point it's it's it's a. process and so if you look at for. example. let's look at a cigar where the ashes. I've used this example before where the. ashes of a cigar is the past it's.

already been burnt up that's it you. can't put it back together the future is. that part of the cigar that hasn't. burned yet and the present is the Cherry. it's that moment of ignition where the. tobacco is being consumed and turned. into Ash now if you had the ability to. to look very carefully at the Cherry of. that cigar burning you'd notice. something very strange once you remove. the glare and really focused in you. notice that the Cherry of that cigar the. cigarette is burning unevenly meaning if. you could get in there and squeeze. inside and look you would see that there.

are parts of that cigar that are. igniting and becoming Ash before other. parts and you can actually have parts. that have not yet been consumed behind. parts that have been consumed there's. this weird fuzziness there and it's why. some now some uh physicists theorize. what they call what they call the the. atomic uh elect sorry F the electron. cloud when you and I were in school we. learned that an electron orbits an atom. it's it's not actually what's happened. we now realize it's a cloud it's the the. electron is both there and not all at.

the same time it's this weird Duality. principle because scientists believe. that at that small of a level the. electrons are so small that they're. actually able to zip in and out of. reality the fabric itself of space time. they're so small they can zip in and out. of and so they're everywhere and nowhere. all at the same time um this is kind of. more into the more quantum physics. models of of our understanding of the. very very small of our universe it may. even apply to the very very large but. also apply to human consciousness which. may explain why we invested so much time. and money into things like remote.

viewing because if my brain is quantumly. connected to your brain then it doesn't. matter how far away you are or what time. it is we can always connect and maybe. that is as some neuroscientists have. speculated that human consciousness is. actually a Quantum process it's actually. your brain is like a quantum computer. and that's where that's the realm that's. the domain in which human consciousness. lives and if that's the case is a. possible other higher forms of life also. have that ability and that is actually.

not unique at all in fact when you see. two dogs enter a room some have. speculated there's some sort of. non-verbal communication going on we. don't understand it but they do and is. it possible that that human. consciousness is really not that unique. or special in fact many forms of Life. share that Consciousness a Consciousness. and have the ability to communicate. maybe things like remot viewing are. actually vestigial capabilities meaning. it's nothing new we're not evolving to.

become superhumans we've always had this. in fact before we had verbal. communication that uh is now global and. virtually any language I can look up and. translate perhaps it was a survival. technique perhaps we needed this type of. ability to communicate and and transmit. information for our very survival well. Joe mcmonagle talks about this a little. bit when I interviewed him he he talks. about before there was before there was. language before there was pointing and. grunting that it was that basically. language uh has made us a lot more La.

we're not as efficient as we used to be. correct and that the that the. communications while while there were no. words it was a lot more efficient I knew. what you were thinking you knew what I. was thinking look people say well that's. a bunch of hoie we're doing it now we. have we can put on helmets and and you. can have an Air Force pilot sitting in a. room with his thoughts be able to fly a. drone there talk about V video games and. these people that are that are really. good Gamers it was only a few months ago. that some a gentleman quadriplegic had a.

chip put in his brain and now he can. play Call of Duty of all games better. than most professional Call of Duty. players why because it's a direct. interface between thought to action. there's no neurons and and and neural. Pathways and and having to trans. translate electrical signals into motor. signals right which is inefficient it's. just direct boom brain to the interface. to the game um which which is which is. arguably much more efficient much. faster would that not be the preferred.

way if you had an ability I'm seeing. this wonderful portrait of you and a. helicopter up there uh imagine being. able to to fly that helicopter without. ever having to touch anything and it's. instant that helicopter goes exactly. where you want it to go when you want it. to go and how you want it to go right. all with this well technology we're. don't look now but we're getting close. to that now we we can almost do that now. you have technical interfaces that are. helping people do things now that were. never even imaginable 5 years ago M so. we're we're almost there.

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dream pillow with a mattress purchase. helixsleep.com. SRS so to say well that that's a bunch. of hooing that technology would never. exist hey buddy have you seen the news. lately right so um I. think I think you're right and I think. going back to the original question you. had which is I know forgive me way way. way around but it's important because. we're talking about you ask me is this. technological is it Consciousness could.

this all be related what do I think. about when people say that you know we. have to there's a lot we have to unpack. here we have to discuss what is. consciousness is it something that is. universal or is it just for humans and. is it is it the is it the thing that is. M makes makes life. life um and those are all really. relevant questions I can't answer that. because I I simply don't know all I can. do is is provide for you my own.

experiences and and some of the work. that we did in atip and some some other. efforts um but I think the jury is still. out and I think in order to have that. conversation we first all have to agree. what it means even terms like something. like Consciousness because different. people will interpret that word to mean. something else I it's like love right I. love my I love my job I love my car well. I love my kids well that's a different. type of Love well wait a minute love is. love no it's not love isn't love I love. chocolate but I don't love chocolate.

like I love my kids. right and I I I love my wife differently. than I love other folks so and other. things so maybe Consciousness is the. same way maybe there's not a single. definition for what Consciousness is and. and I think that's part of it because. we're trying to talk the same language. but in there some of those words don't. have the same universal meaning for. every one of us if that makes sense. does make sense H how involved were you. with the Stargate. program um what I'm comfortable to talk.

about is that early in my career I was. brought into a very interesting program. um the gentleman's name was uh Eugene. Lesman uh he was probably the top at the. time the top remote viewer for the. United States Army um and uh that was my. first experience I was brought into a. very strange program um early in my. career after uh after getting out of the. army I didn't understand it I didn't. know what they wanted from me um Eugene.

had. me do some things um I guess to test if. I was a good. candidate uh and then very shortly. thereafter the program had the plug. pulled the funding was pulled um. permanently and I W up having a regular. normal job uh so you were going to be a. remot viewer uh well they were I got. trained to do some of it yeah I didn't. say I was a good one and there's guys. out there a lot better gals a lot better. than I was but but I can tell you it.

works um and Hal pudol if you I'm not. going to if you ever interview Hal pudol. say hey Lou wanted me to ask you about. the whole DC Metro incident on the red. line and let him tell you the story uh. maybe you can connect me with him. absolutely absolutely yeah he's an. incredible human being um him another. person if you if you if you ever could. get uh Dr kit green uh Christopher green. we call him kit kit worked with me and. how worked with me on atip um you know. the US government has had a long.

interest in in remote viewing um I know. some people find it funny but we didn't. stop. that I can't I would not be able to. elaborate if there's any programs that. exist or don't exist anymore um but well. I'm not R look it makes sense that if. something works you don't stop it we. didn't stop that but um. um I mean where I was going is what what. do you make. about I mean Edwin May said that I.

believe he's don't quote me on this you. can go back and look the interview up. but I believe Edwin May told me that. remote viewers are only correct 40 less. than 40% of the time well what's what's. correct right so if if you ask me to. predict a lottery number he says what's. correct is what can be verified which I. would tend to agree with you know and. Joe had um two that stick out to me he. he remote viewed uh a mountain in. Alaska I believe it was in Alaska where.

they said that there he he he remote. viewed some kind of nonhuman. beings uh inside of a mountain sounded. like basically like some type of a Space. Center how about this let me ask you. this Sean and we we'll get back to that. because Joe MCM and those guys really. know their [ __ ] stuff um let me ask you. something let's say someone remot viewed. you and said um. you got into a motorcycle accident when. you were younger um it was a a pretty. bad motorcycle accident total your.

motorcycle and and it was a uh it was an. Enduro Yamaha motorcycle and you turn. around you said no actually it was a. Honda or a Kawasaki MH is that person. right or wrong they didn't get Kawasaki. right but they got everything else right. to include the injury that you sustained. and the fact that you total your little. Enduro motorcycle so so this is my point. when they say well they weren't accurate. well what's accurate that they got 90%. of it right and 10% wrong so again it. goes back to the metric that's being. used to save something's right I will.

tell you that in my experience some of. this yeah some of the stuff was off off. Target but some of the stuff was dead on. and I mean dead on to the point where. the United States actually successfully. located a down Russian supersonic test. plane that was being flown and it. crashed over the Congo over in Africa. and no matter what all the satellites we. Ed and airplanes we couldn't find it and. neither could the Russians who found it. remote viewers. look at the story behind General doer. and bad Rosa red Brigade and uh the. killing of Al demoro who was at the time.

um the president of Italy and then they. captured they they they kidnapped um. General doer um and they were going to. kill him and uh remote viewers got. pretty close to being able to locate. them if you look at what they were what. they were doing they got damn close and. some actually say that's the reason why. he was saved um remote viewing can be. very effective now it's but it's like. any other collection data point. you know there's bias there's collection. bias and then you also have other issues. you have interference um you know the.

human being that's why I say remote. viewing should never be taken as a a. single Source intelligence capability it. it's it should be there as an additive. capability right so just like when. you're collecting intelligence now you. have a humid Source but you never just. go with humid you go with Sig you go. with elant you go with you know whatever. other ins you need intelligence. collection capabilities to bolster or to. negate pieces of information that you're. receiving you never want to take single. Source reporting you always want to have. have a a comprehensive capability that.

has multiple sources of feeds of. information and then you base your. conclusions off of that data so what do. you make of stuff like that mountain or. which I'm sure you know what I'm talking. about what do you make of that um you. know I I I find it interesting there's. people who remote viewed stuff in. Antarctica people have remote viewed. stuff um Jill remote viewed Mars that I. can't remember the years only 2 or 3,000. BC the. pyramid yeah you know what I'm talking.

about yeah I there's a book really. interesting book this this really all. kind of kind of blew up when uh there. was a army Captain um he a ranger. sustained a TBI uh in an exercise I. think might have been bright star in. Egypt um and he had a a wound to his. head I think it was caused by a graze. bullet that caused some damage and he. was on his way way to getting out of the. army because um he he he said he saw. things and he thought they were.

hallucinations um and long story short. he got actually recruited into into into. the Stargate program into remote because. he's actually a very very good remote. viewer and the name of the book is. called um psychic. Warrior um I don't believe the gentleman. uh is practicing anymore I think he had. may have had some complications as a. result of it but that was really the. first book that came out that that. really kind of revealed the Stargate. program uh and kind of the day-to-day. operations of of what they were doing.

and what we were trying to find and the. type of things that were going on um so. if you want an interesting book to read. or anybody in your audience that listens. pick up the book psychic Warrior you. know I'm not I'm not promot by the way. let me for the I'm not promoting it's. it's a good book or it's a bad book but. it it's it's an interesting way to kind. of get a a sneak peek behind what what. some of the people in the government our. government our intelligence Community. were doing both CIA and Dia defense. intell agency Central Intelligence. Agency and even the bureau to some. degree believe it or not um were. involved with regarding regarding remote.

viewing it it it it can be very. effective I mean the Mars thing I mean. in the Alaska thing it does sound like. there was a lot of uh followup on that. so well so that now you have because now. we have technology right we can confirm. by sending probes and to to the moon and. to Mars and other things um to. substantiate if if what the remote you. were seeing is is accurate so again U. was there any. followup so that wasn't if there was I.

wasn't part of that that was that was. significantly before my time um my folks. now there was a very interesting boy am. I getting TR how am I get mad at me for. this. um no I I can talk about this uh so as a. result of remot viewing some of these. reports were very classified there was. one uh in particular incident with an. individual uh it might have been with. ingos Swan actually if I'm not mistaken. I might be mistaken so let me just. caveat it was with a very good remote.

viewer where their target was a Russian. submarine and. um they were providing the description. on this new it might have been a typhoon. class submarine I don't know probably. before that but it was it was it was one. of the latest new submarines that the. Russians was deploying and this was Joe. we reviewing and you well did they did. you did you find out what was following. the nuclear submarine no UAP no said. said well that's what else do you say. well that's interesting but you want to.

know what's following it they're like. yeah he goes there's a UFO following the. sub yeah so people like Hal pudol who I. consider a national treasur talk to him. talk to him if you can because you know. he's not getting any younger um he he he. really is is is an American Patriot that. did a lot for his country took a lot of. crap for what he was doing uh he got got. accused of all sorts of of nonsensical. crap from from his haters you know. something I think we both can appreciate. quite a bit um but in reality you know.

he did a lot for his country uh and and. and a lot of that was extremely. extremely successful in the Fidelity of. the information was right on the. money interesting it's a fascinating. subject quantum. entanglement well that's look I'm not a. Quantum physicist you know I did sleep. at a Holiday Express but I'm not a. Quantum physicist um I would I would. talk to folks like that talk to maybe.

Eric Davis Dr Eric Davis as well Hal P. off kit green kit green is also a. medical doctor who understands things um. very very well from an biological and. medical perspective and I'm sure he has. his opinions on that as well what was. Davis's name uh Eric. Davis Dr Hal Poff Dr Eric Davis and uh. Dr kit green. by the way all of them patriots all of.

them great great work for our. country all right let's let's uh got a. little sidetracked there maybe I'll. actually hit this outline eventually but. um you know let's talk. about your involvement in Army. intelligence and how you got involved. with ATP sure how did that happen well. they weren't the same it wasn't the same. Journey so I uh I grew up um I think I. kind of mentioned I had a bit of a. dysfunctional upbringing.

um my to tell you about how I got here I. need to really tell you about who I who. I was and how I. started so my father was a revolutionary. um he was a revolutionary in Cuba um at. the time there was uh there was this. this dictator named uh Batista Batista. in Cuba and um there were uh there were. some corruption issues so my father with.

some other people people like uh Fidel. Castro Chay Alara uh realized that batia. wasn't good for the country so they. trained in the mountains and they. overthrew the country in a coup and. Castro had promised freedom and. democracy and elections and had a little. bit of support from the US government to. do that and he took over and when he. took over he very quickly turned and uh. pronounced himself pretty much president. for life which is a dictator not a. president and he sided with the Russians.

and that was a problem so my father. basically telling his friends hey this. is not what I signed up for he said he. was going to you know offer freedom and. democracy instead he's he's just as bad. as Batista so uh my father told his. family that he was going to the United. States to study English uh instead went. to Orlando talked to some people in the. CIA joined the revolution Brigade. 2506 and so he went to Guatemala trained.

in the jungles of Guatemala and then was. uh on the USS Houston uh boat that went. from Guatemala for the invasion of Cuba. they landed on the beach uh and my. father was subsequently captured um and. for about two years spent his time in. Castro prisons the last one was called. isos a of the Pines uh where my father. had uh he had a the tooth that had I. guess uh become um it had erupted and. and he had an infection so they did.

surgery on him without anesthesia and uh. for food they they ate boiled horse hoof. right a really bad experience long story. short two years later he comes to the. United States um and uh my mom and him. have what they call my dad always called. it the Romance of the century my mother. was this beautiful bombshell um model. she worked uh as a Playboy bunny she was. a model are you serious yeah while you. were alive no no this is this is leading.

up to me and so they were they were um. my mother was this beautiful. bombshell uh very free spirit and um she. had a really troubled past herself so. never like to talk about her family met. this young dashing uh Cuban. revolutionary and they fell in love and. um although interestingly they never. ially got married I found out later even. though they they said they were married. they never were. married so. um as a young kid I had I I remember.

living in a wonderful wonderful loving. family environment until it wasn't my. father you know for for 30 minutes of. the day they had again the romance of of. the century the other 23 and a half. hours were were hell uh my father and. mother fought very. violent um and then when the marriage. finally ended and they divorced um I was. I was my whole world went upside down um. the bank repossessed the house my mother. and I were living in I had to sell my.

clothes at a flea market so my mom could. pay rent. various male figures in and out of her. life um she struggled she struggled so. much my father went from uh being very. successful entrepreneur and Restaurante. here to now working in a wood factory. and I was making more as a bus Boy at. Red Lobster than my father was making. um at the wood factory and they were. living separately and I was caught in. the middle and I went to Big public. school and really bad for me bullied bad.

bad bad bad I I I was I was a a pretty. interesting kid um so because of that uh. I got angry and um one day I decided so. I'm going to get beat up I might as well. you know grab one of these guys with me. and take them down I guess and uh I did. and that led and and I got in trouble at. school for it but that was very. empowering for me because I I never. liked bullies I I hated it but I was too.

afraid to do anything about it and so um. one day I fought back and I fought back. hard and I realized I was pretty good at. it and I started fighting a lot too much. and in my Public School uh I wasn't very. popular um really rough really dark. times for me uh bounced around a lot. many different homes um I was angry and. I. joined JC now JC at the time isn't what. it is now I went to a big public school.

um I went to a school that was still. engaged in the now controversial uh. practice of called busing where they. would take kids from different parts of. the social demographics and and. underprivileged kids and they would bust. them into a different school to try to. give them opportunity so ROTC was kind. of a last ditch effort if you were a bad. kid getting in trouble all the time you. were kind of forced into RC um I guess. for disciplined reasons um and so most. people if you weren't you know a popular.

kid in a jock and you know you either. you went to RC or you went to juvenile. hall really it was kind of that way um I. had a different experience I all of a. sudden met people that felt just like me. and we had this sense of. camaraderie and uh I found strengthen. that and I loved it and I it was it was. it was the military that I real lives. would save me and it would teach me how. how how not to be and so um I went into.

um College very poor um so I had to pay. for it so I I I became a bouncer uh at a. lot of the various nightclubs I I. convinced myself I would take those jobs. because I could go to school during the. day and then I could make money at night. cash under the table and you know that. was a way I was going to support myself. through college the reality is it was an. excuse to fight and I didn't realize. until I got older and I had got more. mature and I I realized why I was doing. what I was doing I was still very angry.

and and I I I just I just wanted to. teach bullies a lesson I had a lot of. hurt inside come to that realization. oh fatherhood. marriage. time uh I was an Angry Young Man for a. very good portion of of my younger years. and and it was you know it's anger can. be like Rocket Fuel it's very volatile. and you can use it to really Propel.

yourself uh but also it's like Rocket. Fuel is very costic it can eat you up. inside it's like acid um and over time. um it you you you it can destroy. yourself and I realized that that I. needed to do so I needed to figure this. out because my motivation for doing. things. while I would tell myself one thing was. really for some other reason um you know. self- delusion can really be a powerful. thing when you're younger so I went to.

college. um studied microbiology and. Immunology for the wrong again the wrong. reasons I I was told by my my family who. had at that point kind of disowned me. extended family like oh he'll never make. it to college and if he does he never. make it past his first semester so I. chose the hardest major so fine I'm. going to go to the medical program a. microbiologist and immunologist you yeah. that's what I'm going to do and so I did. again motivated for the wrong reasons.

fortunately it worked out to my benefit. um I actually enjoyed it a lot and used. some of that later on in my in my life. in my career um so finishing College I. was in a lot of debt uh really not a. whole lot of options I didn't want to. spend the rest of my life looking. through a petri dish and a and a. microscope so. um I joined the army now what I didn't. say is early on when I was a young man. in high school and before that as a. young even 7 years old my father had. this idea that I would join the new.

Revolution um Alpha 66 and retake Cuba. so Me Myself and some other kids uh were. always taught weird paramilitary skills. how to disassemble a Kalashnikov and. what's the difference between a a 223 or. a 5.6 and a 6.2 by 37 versus 39 and and. my dad when I was 8 taught me how to fly. a plane uh by by 11 I was scuba diving. um how to how to build explosives and.

provide explosive devices in the kitchen. using household products like like. really weird stuff that's not healthy. for a kid to learn but my father had. this desire I guess for me to accomplish. the mission that was his mission it was. never really my mission but I think he. felt that somehow that I would I would I. would do it and and and help liberate. Cuba that was his that was his number on. prerogative for every since I remember. as a kid and he was volatile man he was. volcanic when he blew up man he would. someone was going to jail and it was.

usually my dad. um he was very intellectual and very. smart but he was also exceedingly. volatile and as a kid I was terrified of. my father because of that because he was. unpredictable and uh I didn't want to be. like that I wanted to be like my father. but I didn't if that makes sense you. know I wanted to be like the good parts. of my father but I didn't want want to. be like that but the anger and I was. turning out to be that way I I I was. doing the same things you know Finding. excuses again to fights and and and kick.

people's butts and it it's it wasn't it. wasn't healthy and all for the wrong. reasons so after college uh I went into. the army had an opportunity to go in uh. as an officer because of my college. degree and my father's words were always. ringing in the back of my head and in my. ears he said 'l son if you want to be a. leader you first know what you first. must know what it means to follow so I. enlisted enlisted in the Army um and. uh had a chance to to learn some stuff.

in the Army um very short period of time. you know people will always go back and. oh you're this hero no I'm not a hero. and I know I'm not a hero because I know. what a real hero is and most of those. Heroes aren't here to tell their story. you know I suffer from really bad bad uh. impostor syndrome because people see you. in uniform they see the pictures of you. in you know various situations and. they're like oh my God that that's your. so brave no there's people out there. that had a hell of a lot worse that did. a lot more than me you know the real. heroes are are the guys and gals that.

aren't here to tell their story um it's. the it's the families that are left. behind that have to have the Christmases. and birthdays without without the. service member and going to PTA meetings. and cooking dinners every night and. doing homework those are the heroes um. what I did was easy comparatively. speaking you know the real hero is the. helicopter pilot who's low on fuel but. she's not going to leave her little. ducklings behind so she continues to. stay on the LZ and stay and stay and. stay and takes round after round after.

round until finally the helicopter gets. shot down out of the sky right that's. the hero so all this other [ __ ] and. people come by oh you're hero save that. [ __ ] for somebody who actually believes. it I'm not a hero I'm just a patriot. doing his job um so long story short um. in the Army for a little bit and then I. got recruited out of there into a to a. special program. uh called it special maybe it was but. for different. reasons uh I am proof you do not have to. be intelligent to be an intelligence uh.

let me just say that um but it was an. opportunity that I that that I relished. um so I joined a special activities. program did that for a while during that. process of the recruitment is when Gene. Lesman came into my my life and I. learned uh a little bit about uh the. remote viewing program you might say um. and then uh um spent my time early in my. career doing counterinsurgency counter. Gilla operations and some. counternarcotics support uh mostly.

against in Latin America because my. language being. Spanish um so think of farc right and. eln and and Tupac marus and Cinder. luminoso and stuff like that um if you. probably you're probably too young for. this but we had something called plan. Colombia that was arguably probably not. so effective um what was. plan Columbia was a US Government effort. uh usually with Charlie third of I 7th. Special Forces um there there was a DMZ.

area de military zone between Colombia. and. thead reol colia far it's terrorist. organization uh that they call. themselves gorillas but they did bad. stuff kidnappings and dope and stuff. like that so uh there was this. demilitarized zone you had these three. areas. AIA were these cities where where we had. SF and inel people um doing. counterinsurgency counternarcotics. missions uh where we were trying to pump. in a lot of American resources and money.

and support to help the Colombian. government get rid of the farc um again. this is back in the days so this is you. know late 90s stuff like that um so we. were involved in stuff like that then um. long story short little later uh 911. happened and uh very shortly thereafter. I found myself in some weird. place in the middle of nowhere in. usbekistan called K2 Kashi kabad and you. probably remember that place it uh it.

was uh it was was crazy spent a little. time there and then what were you doing. there uh prepping to go down South we. were we were I was only there for maybe. four or five days and then I was the. next thing smoking into. Kandahar uh back in 2001 anys long story. short I I digress. um spent the next years and years after. that um as who are you attached to. special agent so we were with Jodi. dagger okay so we had a small Intel.

that's where I met um General Mattis for. the first time incredible human being. nice yeah yeah but uh um anyways long. story short um found myself there in the. Middle East quite a bit and uh then Iraq. kicked off and I I did some some work. with that effort and then um I I wound. up promoting myself to a desk job so I. went from being a special agent in. charge and running Counter Intelligence. counter Espionage counterterrorism.

operations some crossb operation stuff. uh and to getting a a job in DC um kind. of what happens you get you get promoted. to a point where they pull you out of. the field and it's like okay now now. you're going to manage budgets right and. and stuff like that and Personnel so I. did that um and then it was in 2008 I. was at the at the time with Director of. National Intelligence uh as a a Intel. official there and uh the commute was. killing me I lived on this little tiny. island called Kent Island in the middle. of the Chesapeake Bay which was great to.

raise a family right as having daughters. kind of giving them normal life they can. ride their bikes you don't have to worry. about crazy people in the town um but my. commute was terrible so if I if you know. a little bit where the direct dni is. it's actually past the CIA it's right. past Langley and the commute was like 3. hours each away from me and so I was. sometimes in the car getting into coming. from work then I was actually at work uh. it was brutal so I had an opportunity to. come back to the Pentagon for a oneyear. jda joint Duty assignment um and that's.

when Clapper is like you know I need. somebody to to run um law enforcement. and intelligence integration we want to. get local law enforcement somehow figure. out how do we get National level. intelligence counterterrorism. information that's classified down to a. level where people can do something with. it but they don't have a security. clearance so how do you do it right so. you create this terar line and stuff. like that. so I was brought back for that and very. immediately there afterwards um is two. people came in to my office I was in. Crystal City at the time at a at a.

particular location they still don't. want me to talk about so I won't but. beautiful corner office and um two. people come in talk to me and say Hey. you know we know you've got some. background and this and that and early. in my career I forgot to tell you this I. did some work uh on uas so unman aerial. systems so drones uh um all the. different types of drones that we had at. the time which were fundamentally pretty. basic actually but I did some of I did. some Advanced uh avionics protection and.

technology high energy Laser Technology. um first stage second stage uh solid and. liquid R uh rocket booster motor engines. um some space platforms so when they. came and talked to me they said hey we. know you have a CI background uh and you. know we'd like you to consider working. with us in a special. project um didn't know at all what it. was had no idea and after several of. those meetings I said look our director. would like to meet you so I said okay. sure we set up a meeting and I went to.

another undisclosed location where they. were he was at I remember going up there. and uh it was it was so bizarre he the. epitome of a true whatever you think a. rocket scientist in your brain that's. who this guy was um kind of disheveled. hair tie a little crooked glasses and he. happened to be at the time the US. government's Premier rocket scientist. like for real real like the best rocket. scientist in the US government super. super super smart and um we had our. conversation then he looked at me.

towards the very end he says so I got to. ask you yeah says what do you think. about. UFOs um so I thought about him I looked. at him I told him the truth I don't he. saids well what do you mean you you you. don't believe in him I didn't say that. you ask me what do I think about UFOs my. response is I don't think about them. because I don't have the time I all the. luxury I'm too busy you know doing other. stuff and chasing bad guys and stuff. like that I don't think about him and he. looked at me and he said that's fair. enough I said but let me give you some.

advice actually might have even said let. me warn you um he says don't let your. analytic bias get the best of you. because what you learn here May. challenge that and at this point I still. didn't know what they were looking at I. had no idea but he just said UFO out of. the blue I'm like what and this whole. time the two people that had come to my. office were telling me this is very. sensitive this is very sensitive we. can't tell you what it's about but our. boss. can uh and um they needed somebody with. Counter Intelligence experience to run.

the Counter Intelligence and security. aspect for their portfolio because they. were worried that the Russians and. Chinese were trying to expose them which. I get it you know America is running a. secret UFO program yeah the Russians. don't want to know so um very shortly. thereafter I realized the true focus of. atip and it was um to look at and. realize at that point the US government. was taking very very seriously. Encounters of UAP over uh controlled. military airspace and over our sensitive.

facilities and the more we looked into. it the more we realized Not only was it. real but it's a real national security. issue like we got real we got real stuff. happening where these I've got another. document here these things actually. interfered with our ability to for. nuclear. strike capability I mean think about. that right our our restrict our ability. to launch if we're attacked by the. Russian the the US P was able to turn. off an entire flight of of nukes now. what's a flight of nukes think of a. Christmas tree light where each light is. a is a is a is a military is a nuclear.

Silo and you've got this kind of Central. Command Post well they were all taken. offline by a UAP and by the way one of. the intelligence reports I have and I. can say I can I can read it to you um. it's not conjecture it's like oh well. maybe no every they saw the UAP and all. of a sudden Boom the entire flight goes. down and only When the UFO left did the. did the nukes come back online and and. if that's not scary enough we had. intelligence reports that that the same. thing happened in Russia but there they.

were turned onto a ready position like. where ours were turned off theirs were. turned. on yeah so we we had serious concerns. and while alsap was looking at other. stuff as well regarding the ranch my. focus was really the national security. issue of look it's very simple we have a. capability of Technology that's been. demonstrated that can enter our airspace. completely unchallenged of Unknown. Origin and who has seems to be. interested in our military equities or. military capabilities and oh by the way.

has demonstrated an ability to interfere. with our nuclear technologies now if. that's not a national security issue or. or or Department of Defense Mission or. an intelligence mission is that I don't. know what is right that's the very. definition of a national security threat. um so that was what that was the impetus. I think for a lot of my colleagues in. mind and now you know being the new kid. on the Block I'm kind of walking around. like oh my gosh wow wow wow that's real. wait wait a minute roswell's real you. know and my my these scientists that.

have been you know there forever and and. part of other or the efforts with the US. government kind of putting their hand on. my shoulder be like yeah you're going to. learn a lot here buddy you know buckle. up it's going to be a wild ride and boy. were they right um I worked with some of. America's Finest in that capacity really. really good people um and then uh in. 2017 and October. 4th I uh I resigned from my belove my. beloved Department why did you resign so.

um boy have to backtrack here. um there was an aerospace defense. contractor that had agreed to surrender. their crash retrieval material to us. because we were the government were're. running the program we had a facility. specially built at a sapf Level sapf. facility um level and so they said. here's a catch you just need because we. have this existing memorandum from the. secretary of the Air Force saying we. can't we have to we have to possess the.

stuff if you can get another Memo from. the secretary of the Air Force saying we. can give it to you we'll give it to you. because we this is a lie at this point. we we're keeping the lights on it's very. expensive we don't want to deal with. this anymore you can have the material. we've exploited what we can exploit from. it uh the problem is secretary of the. Air Force didn't want to play ball so. Along Comes Mattis and thank God Trump. gets there brings Mattis in I'm like man. my old friends back if we can't get a. memorandum of approval from the. secretary of the Air Force I'll just go. above him and I'll just go straight to. SEF I'll just go to Daddy Mattis you.

know and say hey Jim I need some help uh. but you know too how command and control. works and we understand chain of command. so I was always very careful never to. just intercept the boss and be like hey. boss I need to talk to you because I had. many levels above me that I would have. to go through the problem is my direct. one of my direct supervisors at the time. um I knew this but nobody else did had. several IG investigations against him so. I couldn't trust him and so what I did. is I went around him and I was briefing. with the concurrence of the secretary's.

front office I was briefing the. secretary's staff the his direct the the. White House advisor uh National Security. Council adviser and another advisor who. I not allowed to say who they worked. well say they worked for the CIA I can't. say who they were uh there were the. three head people for the secretary. they're open the secretary Suite if. you've been there you know what I'm. talking about. right there on the e-ring um and um on. the River entrance and so I I I was. briefing them on a weekly basis weekly. basically yeah this is important I got.

the pilots coming I have the radar. operators coming I have the reports I've. got the documents I got the photographs. I got the videos I got the briefings I. got you know stack of crap this big. every time coming in and they're like. yeah this is important the problem is we. can't brief the Secretary of Defense. just yet like well you can't wait he has. to know because if something happened we. already getting we had these ships the. Roosevelt that's being literally stocked. by UAP on a daily basis I mean I have. these emails on CET saying hey Lou I. can't keep people below debt forever. what do you want me to do these they're.

all over the ship right so I'm like okay. don't worry the calvary is coming we're. working this we're going to we're going. to get you the relief you're looking for. I got you the problem is that people in. the headshed didn't want to do anything. until the boss until we had a at the. time our under secretary of defense for. intelligence the usdi the head senior. principal staff assistant for the. secretary for all things intelligence. wasn't a senate confirmed person so they. wanted to wait and wait and wait until. they got somebody in there Senate. confirmed brief the usdi who then we.

would brief secretary Mattis I kept. telling him guys don't let bureaucracy. get in your way don't do it we cannot. afford the weight he needs to know now. that what's happening in the field I. can't keep a lid on it anymore I can't. it's going to be everybody's going to. know this and. um I also think there may have been some. to protect the boss which I totally get. you know nobody wants to be the one to. tell the boss hey look we got a problem. boss there's something in our skies we. don't know what it is we don't know how. it works we don't know where it's from.

we don't know who's buying the wheel and. know by the way it's interested in our. stuff it's not a great conversation to. have with somebody you know especially. CH Mad Dog Mattis uh or others call him. chaos um he wants answers and if you. ever worked with a guy in the field you. know General Mattis is a very serious. guy very learned he's a guy who wants. more information not less and then last. but not least I suspect what they didn't. want to do is give the boss some. information only to be asked a week. later by the media I've you been briefed. on UFOs and he would have to say for the. record yeah I've been briefed on UFOs.

right so there's many reasons for it and. and looking back I can understand it but. at the time I was very frustrated and so. I knew that the only way I'll be able to. get the secretary's attention without. breaking that chain of command I could. have walked in any time I wanted to into. his front office and I. have but you and I both know you don't. break the chain of. command you can't break the rules to. enforce the rules you can't do it it. doesn't work that way you can't break. the law to enforce the law and so I was. very cognizant of that so I did what. what most people do in my my.

situation I resigned and I knew that my. res I addressed my resignation memo. directly to him knowing that they would. not be able to stop that and they tried. by the way even that they tried. um but I told him very point blank in my. resignation memo I said sir you need to. be aware this is real and this has a the. the ability to impact our our our. nuclear capabilities our military. Readiness and and it's it's a problem. you're going to have to deal with and um. have you been in touch with him since.

then I have not no he's I think he lives. overseas right now with his uh with his. lady. um but uh there's some back Channel. discussions that occurred it's for him. to say not me I respect him. tremendously uh he was a great leader in. the military politically I don't know. I'm not I'm not talking politics right I. did um not a politician uh but he was he. was a very effective leader um and let's. not forget look almost a year later. today he he resigned too right that's. what you do when you can't when you.

can't fix something internally you don't. become a problem inside you leave you do. what you're supposed to do and say okay. I I sir and you roll out and then if you. want to want to speak your peace outside. fine but don't cause problems inside the. chain of command that's that that is. unforgivable and I agree with that you. know um and some people differ with me. on that perspective but it's the way I. feel so L what we keep talking about. UFOs and uaps interfering with with our.

nuclear Arsenal what what are we doing. to what are we doing to combat that well. I think this new administration's going. to do a lot like what well let me let. the administration first get a handle on. what's going on and decide what they. want to do um you know a nuclear. facility isn't just Department of. Defense it's not just Air Force you have. Department of energy there you have all. sorts of different organizations there. that are part of the calculus right um. so you've got you've got a lot of. equities um first of all they need to.

get a handle on what's going on and by. the way for the record I am extremely. optimistic about this Administration I I. I think this is the best thing that. could have happened to this country um I. get a lot of [ __ ] for it um but uh this. is something I know several individuals. on the cabinet I'm not going to say who. uh that are very interested in. transparency for the American people. like sincerely really want transparency. while also understanding we have to. protect National Secrets right.

um so I think I think I think there's. going to be some things done that will. prevent um any type of of hopefully any. type of interference uh in the future of. our nuclear equities now that's not to. say I mean if something is super highly. Advanced and they're using a capability. we don't understand then. defend against that right well I mean. you know they now they have this uh you. know I interviewed Joe Lonsdale epis the. directed EMP weapon that we can take out.

100 drones Plus at once I mean is that. something we could Implement yeah uh and. we already should have implemented it. you know this last Administration. dragged their fee no we can't do. anything about it hell you can yes you. can and you should you know um I I this. is my frustration when we allow politics. to drive National level decisions. involving security without having the. expertise in house or resident uh then. everything becomes a a political.

calculus um and that's fine until you. talk about National Security there has. to be an emphasis on National Security. especially with our our nuclear equities. I mean what do you make of this was that. that that video The Whistleblower the. saw I think it was an Air Force Special. Operations guy that came out recently. The Whistleblower that came out about. the the egg shaped craft that we picked. up there's a little video on night. vision we're going to Overlay it right. now on the video but I mean what do you.

make of this he says it's an alien craft. or well I first of all anytime a veteran. comes out I I I always give them. difference why because they earned it I. don't care if they're wrong or not they. earned that privilege to speak their. mind secondly he is who he says he is he. is a former special operator that is. fact uh so whether you are an Navy SEAL. or you're Force PJ or you're an army. special operator um you know these are. folks that are not just trained. observers as you know but they're highly. skilled right and you go through a.

battery of psychological evaluations and. sometimes polygraphs and drug testing. and you know these are really. representing the best of the best tip of. the spear and that's why they're the tip. of the spear where was that retrieved uh. you know what I'm going to let him I. don't want to talk too much about his. story because it's really up to let me. you ask me about him as a person I. believe he is speaking his truth I. believe he is doing what he believes is. correct and for that I support him I was. not there for that recovery I was not. there when he decided to come out have.

you seen anything like that before. there's reports of a vehicle shaped. exactly like Lami Zamora I mean read the. case he was a cop and he talked about an. egg-shaped craft just like that back in. the 60s right so um you know the the the. morphology of this is not anything new. the question is is that what it was or. was it you know something else um I. don't know but he the fact that he's. willing to come out publicly and have. his tell this conversation I think is. important and and I hope that other.

people do too when people come out and. start poo pooing him well you wonder why. more whistleblowers don't come out look. at the way I was treated I'm not booing. him I'm just no no no no no of course. I'm not mean you I mean I mean that. rhetorically people in general will say. well you know how come we don't have. more whistleblowers well look when the. whistleblowers come out how they're. treated look at poor Dave grou here's a. guy who I with we were at space force. together working the UFO topic working. for the UAP task force that's what we. were doing it was our job right he comes. out 24 hours after testifying in.

Congress what happens two guys from the. CIA apparently leak his his his. information medical information and try. to use his PTSD against him you know. what F you what lowlife piece of crap. person that would use somebody's combat. PTSD against them that is you know you. who never done nothing never popped. nothing never sered nobody you don't. deserve get your ass in the corner. because that guy was a here he actually. did the right thing I saw him every day. and by the way everything he said was.

Absolut everything he told Congress was. correct M and a lot more he knows that. he hasn't said and so what's his what's. his reward for speaking his. truth what happened oh this guy. alcoholic oh this guy PTSD I mean that. that is the reaction by certain elements. within a corrupt system and by the way. that's my real issue that's what. motivates me every single day to come. out it's not just the UAP topic we've.

got a very significant issue on our. hands right now uh and it's been there. for a while and it's be it's become a. cancer in in our government and that. concerns me because that that that that. threatens everything that threatens. everybody um and you know unless you ask. me I won't go down that road but but. that to me is a much greater security. issue than uaps ever. were what do you think he's open by. coming out with us you think he's forc. do you think he's trying to force the. government to reveal something yeah.

trying to trying to do what I did and. other colleagues of mine let America. know the truth without getting in. trouble without being thrown into jail. and wearing an orange jumpsuit you know. the problem is that there's a very. sophisticated capability to try to smear. people like that I've been F wait till. the real truth starts to hit people are. going to go crazy when people find out. the length that some individuals in this. system were willing to go to to keep us. quiet you wait till that wait till that. shoe drops we're we're that's coming out. you think it's going to come oh I know.

it's coming out absolutely yes sir is. there any relationship between that and. I mean I did you watch my interview with. Sam shoem made the Matthews lburg you. have to forgive me Chris um it's okay do. you know about ma Matthews liberer is. the Cyber truck he's former Green Beret. blew up the Cyber truck know. very well and I know what you did I. didn't see the interview I apologize but. I know very well that scenario and the. email you received and the information. you received in the email he talks about.

gravitic propulsion systems is there any. relationship between that and what the. soft veteran just revealed in the in the. short night vision video there is a. relationship to to the story if it turns. out that that video is authentic and. legitimate then the answer is an. absolute yes but first that. video again I wasn't there to shoot the. video so I want to be very careful what.

I say um but anti-g gravitics has always. been the holy grail for us and there's. several reasons for it but if you can. understand. and somehow control and master anti-g. gravitics then that is going whoever. figures that out is going to put you. about 200 years ahead of everybody else. and that's that's that's big mhm that's. big. um we kind of talked about this at the.

beginning yeah yeah um you know anti-g. gravitics is is the Holy Grail um all. sorts of it's not just being able to fly. without any obvious signs of propulsion. or without wings and control. surfaces again SpaceTime um you if you. understand anti-gravity and the warping. of SpaceTime then then distance doesn't. mean so much to you. time is a little more flexible and so uh.

there's a reason why the US government. doesn't even like to talk about it or. any other government yeah we we looked. into it it's just a science fiction term. is it it's all we could find couldn't. find. anything you know it's a interesting. world we live in I mean it sounds like. you know about this do you know about. this I I I I you know when it comes to. to certain capabilities I I'm not going. to go there. um you.

know people just have to. see I don't want to I don't want to be. look I'm trying to do this in a in a. constructive way not a destructive way. um I'm extremely loyal people think I. left the department I disloyalty no I. left the department out of. loyalty I want to I want to I want to do. the right thing with. without I want to have the conversation. without being destructive and the reason. why I left the Pentagon was really just. to finish the mission they gave me in.

the first place what about the New. Jersey drones yeah you. know that came out what about a month. ago whenever they it wasn't just New. Jersey it was New York Massachusetts. Florida California Oregon Washington. even in the UK when I think it kind of. spun out of control I mean every [ __ ]. with the Drone was throwing it up and. taking videos of it I'm not worried. about those my concern is when you have. some some that have been reported the. size of an SUV or more importantly. aren't blinking first all they're not. squawking there's no transponder on them.

uh which if there is a large enough. commercial drone they're supposed to. then secondly um the light patterns were. not consistent with in some cases non. with navigational Aviation lights and. then third they were silent and fourth. when we actually deploy drones to try to. intercept individuals try to do that. there seem to be an anti-drone. capability on board meaning some drones. were disabled and fell out of the sky. the ones that were flown to try to. intercept these other drones now let's. talk about drones for a second in New.

Jersey most people are familiar with the. quadcopters commercially available. hobbyists have quad the little. quadcopters they fly for about 15. minutes maybe mile or two and then they. have to be recovered now imagine what it. takes to fly a drone that's the size of. an SUV let's look at it technologically. just for a second most drones are line. of sight RF right Radio free frequency. line of sight fly the Drone it sees me I. see it and it's getting my signal I can. control it if you want to go Beyond the. Horizon Beyond line ofite right you now. need infrastructure to do that you need.

a repeating capability meaning an. Airborne capability or a landbase. capability that will take that signal. and then retransmit it out to your drone. because you're now over the horizon. where these signals are going to reach. so you need an artificial way whether. it's a balloon or a satellite or a tower. to relay that signal otherwise the thing. doesn't fly a little crash so you got. you got to transmit that that takes. infrastructure then if you're going to. have a drone that flies more than 15. minutes in some case 5 six 7 hours and.

not fly two miles but fly over a 100. miles think about that what there's only. two types of fuel we use for drones one. is internal combustion engine like like. you know Jedi fuel maybe you use or. gasoline for propeller internal. combustion engine or battery now. batteries don't last that long and. they're heavy as hell so and the fuel. fuel is even more expensive you want. liquid fuel that's even more that's even. heavier so so loiter capabil the reason. why our drones now like a Reaper or. something like that or fix wi because. they got to stay flying for a long time.

and so a helicopter a rotary blade drone. can't do that you don't have that loiter. capability so you have a fixed wi. capability that's not what these were. they weren't fixed wi capabilities and. so if you want to fly a drone even one. of those you have to have someone to. launch it someone to control it someone. to recover it someone to maintain it. someone to refuel it or re-energize it. right so now you're talking a group of. individuals that have to be on flying. just a single drone with that type of.

capability where you going to launch it. from without being seen or detected. where you going to recover it from. without not a single one being recovered. right completely in the dark you know. that's now you're talking about okay. well maybe I can launch it from a boat. okay well how far out are you going to. be in international waters and are you. sure the coast guard is not going to see. you and your and your ship identifier. and all these other things I mean if as. some people reported having a quote. unquote Mothership that's a big profile. in the water okay well maybe they're. launching some submarines okay great but. then there's another a challenge with. that too is a submarine surfacing to.

launch them or these things being. launched subsurface meaning like a like. the old um Polaris missile right blows. out of a tube and flies then what about. when it lands and what about if one. crashes because you know it's technology. right it could be interfered with. electronic jamming capabilities you know. are you willing to take that risk and. all of a sudden now you've lost a drone. it's ated like the Russians did with the. U2 back in the 1960s when we were flying. the U2 over Mother Russia no that's a PR. disaster so there's a lot of things that. are inconsistent with some of the.

descriptions of some of these UAP uh or. some of these uas or. drones um and I think you know the fact. that we don't know is proof positive why. we need to know the for the government. to come out this last Administration I. mean this is this is this is. embarrassing to say to the American. people yeah yall are seeing stuff every. single one of these are being flown in a. legal way and they're all either Hest. drones or or or Mann aircraft first of. all you don't shut down a military Air.

Base because something's being flown. over your base legally get the hell out. of town we're not that stupid right and. when you have all these people that are. reporting to include members of. Congress don't tell me that these are. are are all legitimately because if they. were then then then where's the. paperwork from the FAA where's where's. the where's the the the squat code on. this how come they're not showing up on. on Flight Aware right nothing and then. they would say oh these are all being. flown legally but we don't know whose. they are wait a minute then then how can.

you say they're being flown legally if. you don't know who they whose they. belong to right it's it's even the. statement itself is contradictory and. saying no no folks just just don't worry. about it nothing to see here you know. that's the same kind of crap they tried. to pull with other things like with the. Afghanistan withdrawal don't get me. started I mean you keep feeding a bunch. of lineup people bunch of crap to people. you think that they're going to get used. to eating crap no they're going to get. pissed off and throw the plate in your. face and that's what we saw with this. this last election the people got tired.

of being lied to and constantly being. told something that was exact opposite. of what was happening politics aside I. don't care if you're democrat or. republican nobody needs to do that just. tell the American the truth and look if. you don't have an answer say that too. but don't don't lie don't insult the. American public you know come on that's. that's that's not why we put people in. office I mean what are they they what. are they what do you think they are well. I think there might be multiple things. it might be it might be a combination of. things you might have so in the old days. if you had like for. example if you breach the perimeter of.

of a military base you would have some. Jeeps come out and maybe a helicopter to. try to find what's going on but we're. more sophisticated than that we now have. have drone capability ourselves and so. if we detect something on the perimeter. breaking a perimeter we can just launch. drones like that automatic we can. geofence the whole place and. automatically have drones take off. without even a human being involved to. figure out what's going on and by the. way it's a lot cheaper you can cover a. lot more area using a drone than you can. with one or two helicopters so imagine a.

a scenario where maybe some people. reporting some sort of really anomalous. issue a UAP perhaps and then the the the. response by us is to launch drones to. try to figure out what's going on and so. you have some people reporting something. that doesn't look like a drone S size of. an SUV that disappears comes in and out. of the water potentially stalks Coast. Guard boats in the middle of the ocean. right up to 20 at a. time and then our response is to launch. drones to figure out what these are and.

then people report no it was worrying I. could hear it making sound it was. blinking lights like a plane it was. definitely a drone they both could be. right both could actually be happening. now I'm not saying for the record I'm. not saying that's what's occurring but. that could explain why you have this. varying degrees of explanation between I. Witnesses someone says it's huge it's. been loading for hours and hours it. doesn't look like anything I've ever. seen before and then someone says oh no. a little tiny thing with Waring blades. and Blinky lights so it to ask your.

question what is it and is it one or the. other it actually could be both and it. could also be other options that we. haven't yet considered but again this is. why it's so important this is why I've. been been trying to emphasize with the. new Administration to get a handle on. this because this will be a PR disaster. it will be if it already has been if we. don't get a handle on it so there's been. several recommendations that have been. floated up to the new Administration to. help uh president Trump get a handle on. this and and and do exactly like he said. he's going to do and I I full faith in. what are some of the other possibilities.

that we haven't considered foreign. adversarial capability it's not a blue. Force technology it's a red Force. technology that's being used to to. assess our reaction to certain things I. mean I don't I think that was that was. brought up a lot of there was a lot of. chatter that it might be Iranian drones. a lot of I mean there have been reports. that that's why the inauguration was. moved indoors was an Iranian drone. thread yep could be Chinese uh then. there's also the other alternative which. you discussed maybe it's it's a blue. Force response to a threat and we don't.

want to panic the public you know we've. got a broken arrow situation on our. hands we got a lost nuke right or maybe. some bad guy figured out how to do. something and put something together you. know under our noses that's a scary. thought you know or could be someone. trying to figure out look you know let's. see the response if we wanted if I was a. bad guy and I wanted to to use a drone. to spray some sort of chemical or. biological agent right um how do we. defend against that could we detect it. you know an Airborne aerosol attack and.

so how do we detect it well we'll send. up some we'll send some drones out to. spray something nothing bad just. something a tracer that we can pick up. with other drones and send other drones. out to say yeah we can actually pick. this up and and this technology works. right so there's there's lots of. different possib excuse me there's lots. of different possibilities and we really. need to consider them all don't. understand why we wouldn't have used one. of those directed EMP weapons brother we. could have and we should have and we. didn't this is my point this is it is it.

is so ridiculous and all it takes is. someone in the administration say you. know FAA look I will tell you when I was. in in Pentagon I was part of a working. group the US a domain working group and. it was co-sponsored by the FAA and. Department of Homeland Security DHS and. even when I was there like 2013 and 2014. they were still arguing who is. responsible for what when you say okay. who's responsible for drones no one. wanted to accept it uh it it it's it's. it's it's ridiculous you know and this.

is why I think the president you're. going to see probably some maybe. executive orders come out saying from. now on okay you're you're going to do. this and if there's a drone in the sky. the buck stops with you and yes you can. shoot it down know if it's not ours and. we're not squawking then shame on you. zap it you know if it turns out to be a. a government contractor well you should. have listed your flight F path sorry you. know sorry your million dollar. capability crashed that was your fault. not. mine so um yes we do have the. capability very easy to do that but we.

don't yeah yeah just like the Chinese. spy balloon right how many have went. over the the northern continental United. States before we actually saw one and. shot it down oh I was I was really upset. about that it did turn out that we did. extract we did. extract some type of intelligence out of. that balloon well you know the story is. now right that we've been knowing about. these flights for a long time yeah and. it never got reported up so that's a. break in the chain of command too and. who had the unilateral authority to make. that decision yeah I guarantee you they.

did not have that Authority yeah. yeah how close. are I mean what what is how concerned. are you that China Russia Iran name. enemy of us has this type of Technology. this type as in the Drone technology or. the UAP technology the. UAP. [Applause]. oh Sean I am worried I'm worried. particularly with the two big guys.

Russia and China China has already. announced through the uh five continents. initiative to um run the entire be in. charge of the entire United Nations. effort for uh UAP investigations they. announced what can you say that again uh. I think it's the South China Morning. side they they announced through what. they call the five continents initiative. China has proposed to to the United. Nations that they um that they they set.

up and run the UAP investigation for the. United. Nations Russia has had a long history in. this in fact right after the Berlin Wall. fell down and there was this brief. romance period this marriage kind of. honeymoon between the United States and. Russia remember when that happened the. ball came down everybody actually you. may have been too young um there was. this this brief period for a few years. where where we were working with KGB KGB. was working with us and they were giving. us all their files and uh we gained a.

lot of insight into their UAP program. into into the into the well better don't. I say it there there's some names. program names that uh the um Russians. were involved with involving UAP and and. it was very precise they were sharing a. lot of Intel with us there was a lot of. it and even at a tip we had a lot of. that that Intel available to us so we. know for a fact Russia and China we also. know for a fact that there were several. key allies five ey Partners I won't say.

which ones they are because they might. get mad um but uh they were interested. and we we had actually an information. sharing agreement with them in fact. Japan two and a half two years ago two. and a half years ago came to the United. States uh about two and a half years ago. came. to actually about three years ago now. came to the Pentagon and asked to enter. into a bilateral intelligence. information sharing agreement with the. United States for the sole purposes of. sharing UAP related information.

interesting is there any overlap with. this information and Intel when you say. overlap I'm trying to what def find what. I'm asking are we seeing are we seeing. any similarities oh yeah all. similarities that's what a tip did. that's what the five observables were. yeah there's similarities in they don't. have totally different [ __ ] than we have. no well the a little bit different when. you say they don't have different are. you talking about other nations I'm. sorry forgive me when when we're sharing. files with Russia or Japan or China or. whoever the hell it is are we seeing.

similarities in the Intel absolutely yes. the morphology the velocity the. performance characteristics the. capabilities absolutely we are okay. absolutely we are what the Italian. fighter pilot Saw 3 weeks ago over the. Adriatic we saw four years ago with a. navy Super Hornet pilot absolutely okay. okay. wow how much do you think they know that. we don't know that's my fear that's why.

this is a problem I don't fear the UAP. or the UAP technology I fear some other. country having that. technology and using it against us and. and and and here we are we're not even. willing to have a conversation with our. own people and they're totally open. about it they don't give. [ __ ] they're spending lots of money into. this topic so that is part of my. concern well I hope you're right I hope. we start getting some answers well I the.

good news is I think we actually know a. lot more than we've admitted. fortunately is that good news I guess it. probably is well what it is it's it's. it's it's at least I think encouraging. that we we've been look we've been. looking at UFOs for a long time brother. this is not new we have been we have. been involved in this topic since well. before Blue Book I just read you a. document they're from 1950 yeah there's. stuff from the National Security Council. the president from Jay Edgar Hoover the.

director of the CIA it's all in writing. it's all there I just sent you a small. little tiny little snapshot of some of. the reporting there's a bunch of it so. people say well you know our government. doesn't know anything hello yes they do. that's just been a recent part of the. narrative so you don't look over there. we've known about it for a long time. we've been investigating there's there's. documents on official investigations all. the way to the White House on this topic. we got it so um I would tell people I.

think look here's the good news because. I don't want to be all doom and gloom. and people oh you're fear-mongering and. you know you're trying to say these. things are a threat no I'm not the. threat is our lack of knowledgement uh. uh I'm sorry the threat is our lack of. knowledge on this topic and our threat. is not being transparent with the. American people you can't fix a problem. right you can't you can't recover from a. problem problem if you don't identify in. the first place um I think I think we're. at the point now there was a fear for a. very long time why our government didn't. share this information with the American.

public and I understand I don't agree. with it for the record but I can respect. it and understand it at the height of. the Cold War what was going on well you. had this this this this winter takes all. approach to a to a chess match between. then Soviet Union and the United States. and we had a lot of things going on we. had civil unrest and we had conflicts. over here in Vietnam and other places. and and you had a nuke real nuke issue. Russians had nukes we had nukes and. we're building more and more and more.

and more and more and possibly go to war. and uh there was this concern that you. know here's this real threat from Russia. and then you've got this other thing. going on here that is interesting but. doesn't show any obvious signs of being. a threat yet so why don't we focus on. this issue here and then we'll kind of. maybe at some point address that issue. um then there's also the the the the. notion of you don't admit there's a. problem until you have a solution look. governments are solution oriented that's.

what we pay them to do to have Solutions. and let me give you a real case point of. this um in the uh 1960s um it's actually. started in the 50s the CIA and locked at. the time developed the U2 spy plane and. the idea of this plane was to fly faster. and higher than any other plane we ever. had and fly in contravention too to what. the Russian agreement we had the treaty. with the Russians that we would not fly. man reconnaissance missions over. Mainland Russia and what did we do we. did the exact opposite we actually flew.

mander's missions but we did in a way. where we didn't think they would ever. ever see it and what happened the first. couple missions we succeeded they didn't. Russians didn't respond Mission success. they didn't even know we were. there or did they it wasn't until the. Russians were able to develop the and. and deploy the SA two surfac to a. missile and successfully shoot one down. and parade Powers who was who was the. pilot and show the wreckage in front of. the United Nations did the Russians ever.

admit that they were tracking every. single flight it wasn't until they could. neutralize the threat did they ever. admit even to the Russian people that. there was a problem because that's what. governments do and so is it possible. that some people in our government said. look this is just too much for most. people to absorb right now we don't know. how to deal with it let's not cause. Panic there were some some studies that. were done by the United States. government commissioned by some to to to. some think tanks by the US government.

and in those studies I said what would. happen with the American people if we. disclosed the presence of UFOs and the. answer was you can't you will you will. cause civil. unrest throughout our population and. people say no that's silly you're not. going to cause panic in civil inrs well. look it's happened before where people. got freaked out when the Dead Sea. Scrolls were first I think it was 1947. right they were discovered the Dead Sea. Scrolls it was like years and years and. years later before the translation of.

those Dead Sea Scrolls were publicly. released now why is that because they. were afraid it was going to contradict. the current understanding of the. judeo-christian belief system we don't. want this will upset people too much. right cause Panic cause. anxiety a hysteria at a at a mass scale. Mass scale. um I can understand that I can. understand that mentality but the. reality is the American people can. handle the truth in fact the American.

people deserve the truth um this. generation new generation of young men. and women are different than mine they. are different they they have access to. the entire world on their cell phones in. virtually any language instantly of any. if I wanted to go learn something in. school I had to go to the school library. grab a a a encyclopedia that's probably. 20 years old and read a paragraph on. something right if the page was even. there so some kid didn't rip it out and. put it it's part of his book report now.

you've got the entire world history in. the palm of your hands so I think this. new generation is much more willing and. readily able to accept some of these. more profound ideas about humans and our. existence our place in this Cosmos um. they're not causing panic most of the. people young people I talk to they go me. yeah we know aliens are real you do yeah. why. not well okay I mean that's different. than when I grew up you know people.

thought you were crazy in fact the. American Psychological Association once. considered the study or or research or. belief in UFOs as being an extreme form. of deviance think about that same with. tattoos by the way right so. um I think our mentality of our society. is changing I think I think we're not. you know the old saying I'm not your. father this is not your father's. oldmobile I don't I don't think I don't. think we're in the same place mentally.

psychologically. sociologically. theologically than we were in my. generation I think I think with with. where we are as a society things have. fundamentally changed you know the way. we deal with new information and new. ideas let's not forget that in the words. of Arthur C Clark right uh any any. sufficient technology advanced. technology uh appears like magic right.

but it's not it's just it's just. technology um I often tell people you. know a little exercise I say if I if I. think if I tell you the word parachute. par being a prefix Latin prefix meaning. above or beside so if I say parachute. what do you think of well I think of. about a device that deploys over my head. and helps me hit the ground with with a. with a thump and not a thud hopefully. right and if I say parachute what do I. mean paramedic what do you think well I. think of First Responders something. positive people there to Save a Life you. know so paramedic parachute but then.

when I say paranormal what. happens you just did it you did exactly. what I I and most people do they go H. right the reason why is because we have. been conditioned that word paranormal is. spooky it's weird when in reality. everything in science everything in. science is paranormal until it becomes. normal the cell phones that we use and. Wi-Fi signals and the and the and the. laptop computer and all that at one. point would have been considered. paranormal and now it's routine it's not.

normal it's just advanced technology and. so I think with this new this new um. generation of young people they they. realize that they understand that a lot. of things that we grew up thinking. strange and weird are you know I was at. a time you probably you remember this. probably. well yeah you're in the military for. this do you remember the whole policy of. don't ask don't tell mhm right and. people's lives were ruined and if you if. they suspected you of being homosexual. that you could lose your entire career.

and and be discharged well that's silly. who gives a crap if someone's gay I mean. right but that was the mentality back. then and man people were you lose your. career over that [ __ ] now we look back. and say being patriotic has nothing to. do with your sexual orientation who. gives a [ __ ] right um but that was real. back then and it affected a lot of. people's lives this new generation I. think realizes that they're like hey man. you guys are really kind of stuck in. this old Paradigm of of doing things um.

you know maybe you should you should. reconsider and. re-evaluate um because at the end of the. day the topic of UFOs and the UAP UAP. aren't going to change it's here. whatever it is the only thing that. changes the way that we deal with it the. way we look at it the way we think about. it the way we handle it right we can't. change that fact that something exists I. can't change the fact that there's a. lion or a tiger or you know a. hippopotamus on the that side of the. wall what I can do is is change the way. that I view that is is it a threat or is.

it an opportunity can it hurt me well. yeah but if it's behind decays then. probably not and and can I learn. something from it and things like that. um that's my that's my perspective um. you know I I don't have all the answers. I I have some answers that that. hopefully will will continue to to to be. developed and come out in a in a legal. way uh I'm not a leaker I I've never. disclosed classified information I still. maintain my top secret security. clearance uh with seci eligibility I'm.

not going to jeopardize it I took an. oath to defend this country from all. enemies foreign and domestic and that's. what I'm going to do uh and I don't. think I need to to compromise National. Security to have this. conversation um we've come a long way in. the last seven years and I've said. before to people there's a difference. between doing things right and doing. things right now. I prefer to do things right we have one. opportunity to do it right and I think. we are making significant Headway um if. someone like me were to just come out. full monty and say everything I know.

you'll know more information but you'll. never get any more because I'll go to. jail and that's it and so I think I. think there's a balance I think we can. continue to have this conversation get. the members of Congress engaged support. our new Administration and their Pursuit. dogged Pursuit Of The Truth uh while. increasing the aperture of transparency. and disclosure in a manner that is. constructive not destructive in a manner. that that gives the American people what. they deserve the information they. deserve but without compromising any. type of National Security Equity or.

capability we can do it yeah it's harder. yeah it's a lot harder I know ask me how. I know but we're succeeding we're doing. it we're able to do it we just got to. have a little bit of patience uh and and. a little bit of courage and I think. we're I think we're doing it look the. fact you and I are having this. conversation you are you are one of the. biggest media personal ities on the. planet now think about that you now have. more people listening to you in your. voice on a weekly basis than the major. networks of our country for the last 70.

years like ABC CBS and NBC right so so. your voice matters and we're having this. conversation there was a time that. people in the media would never talk. about this because it was it was it was. suicide just like politicians this top. topic would be considered political. suicide because when you mention UFOs. people think tinf foil hats and Elvis on. the mothership and nonsense like that no. we're talking about is National Security. and we're also talking about The Human. Condition the way we process information. the way we handle new new new paradigms.

I've I've used this before um and I. think to its effect my wife will kill me. for saying this she hates hates this. analogy but but I will submit to you. that there. are there are moments in our Evolution. as a. species where these Paradigm moments. occur where where we change. fundamentally our understanding of our. reality and so one may may argue that. when we were first coming out of the. cave for the very first time and and. gazing upon the heavens we realized at.

that moment that our world just got a. lot bigger another Paradigm moment maybe. when when two people Were Striking a. rock together and all of a sudden a. spark flew they created fire and for the. first time mankind could illuminate the. darkness and now the monsters hiding. behind the trees well they were just. bushes. right another Paradigm moment may have. been when mankind was standing on a. Stony Beach and one fisherman says to. the other you know I'm going to sail. over the horizon and he says to them you. can't do that you're going to fall off.

the edge and oh by the way there's sea. monsters out there giant cracking and. you're going to get ripped apart and of. course people laugh about it now but you. know what it turns out they were right. there are sea monsters they're just. called giant squid of the Pacific and. great white sharks and blue whales and. they're really not monsters really. they're they're part of our nature. they're part of our understanding and so. maybe this topic of. UAP this is just yet another Stony Beach. we're about to sail over the horizon. yeah but we already are with AI but oh. absolutely I could not agree more I. think you're absolutely.

correct well I don't if we got any of. questions you wanted to ask I'm it's. been a it's been a fascinating interview. and uh I just it was uh a real pleasure. to have you here and and uh I hope to. see you again Sean it's my honor and. privilege you always have a home out in. Wyoming I mean it sincerely listen. you're doing great work for our country. uh you don't need to hear that from me I. know you hear it all the time but truly. truly from somebody who spent a little. bit of time in the. media you are providing a great service.

to our nation and even if it has nothing. to do with the UFO topic the fact that. you're are willing to put yourself out. there have these meaningful. conversations and allow your audience to. be part of that history will remember. you very kindly you are you are setting. a new tone for how. America gets its information without a. filter by the way before with the. networks remember you had all sorts of. people coming up and putting spins on. things and this is you what you are. doing is is a tremendous service for for.

for our nation and Humanity so thank you. sincerely my wife is a big fan of yours. um really appreciate what you're doing. and I appreciate all the guests you've. had in the past and all the guests. you're having in the future even if some. of those guests in the past don't like. me very much thank you for doing what. you're doing thank you for saying that. you got it honor and. [Music].

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