George Baker - Agricultural Scientist | SRS #044

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George Baker welcome to the Sean Orion. show thank you for having me good. morning good morning so so you're a. scientist and you've been working on. this project for. 23 years that's correct and basically. what you've developed is. what you call the answer to the carbon. footprint. Soul bear. that's correct it's. part of the solution part of the. solution part of the solution and it.

works immediately. and is something that. is. uh well it's organic. and. it functions the next day if you spray a. plant today tomorrow it's catching more. carbon and it's protecting that plant. from sunburn which was which was the. original start 23 years ago was.

developing an aid for agriculture. because so many of the crops burn and we. have all these new varieties and they're. very very sensitive and so that's where. we came up with the technology way back. when and it just grows and grows and. grows and you learn more as time goes on. so well I'm dying to dive in what I've. what I really really like about this. product is because. climate change global warming the carbon.

footprint is a very divisive political. subject now what I like about this is it. doesn't affect anybody's bank account it. doesn't affect any energy uh in a. negative way and I think it's something. that everybody. with a brain should be able to get. behind if they actually look into this. because it's not all it's doing it's. pulling carbon out of the air and. creating oxygen it with a lot of other. positive byproducts and and so so I'm. really excited for the interview and I'm.

I'm just really glad that you and your. business partner Bill been able to make. it down to. Nashville Tennessee for this interview. but um. every interview we start with a gift. any guesses. oh my goodness. is it my guess would be maybe it's. something to eat.

you're real hot oh my God. look at this that's right those are. vigilance Elite gummy bears 100 made in. the USA. little little snack for it on the way. back home oh thank you you're welcome. very much. these won't last long I'll tell you that. my wife's addicted to Gummy Bears I. think yeah so am I. you should be too.

but um so I start I like to start every. episode off with a question from. um. my patreon account uh which is a. subscription account. there are top supporters that's why I'm. sitting here that's why you're sitting. here they they are top supporters and. fund the entire operation here so I give. them a chance to ask a question this. question is from Adam Banks. and without getting too much into the.

science because we're going to cover all. that uh later on in the episode have you. published any peer-reviewed papers on. this topic or product where can we find. them in what Journal. most of the publishings that we've done. are from universities. uh we can furnish the data from the. University of British Columbia. was probably our first formal study that.

we did at the molecular forestry lab. and we are now completing the third year. at Fresno State University Water. Resource Center. uh on. how this product works and how it works. with water use efficiency not only. carbon capture because they go hand in. hand. and so those that'll be published I.

believe in October and it'll come out of. the university and we can furnish that. information. as well so but right now I could give. him. the publication from the University of. British Columbia that would be great I. know uh I got a ton of visitors from. from our subscribers on patreon and that. was a big that was a popular question. the other very popular question which I. know we're going to cover later on the.

most popular one from several different. patrons was. does this product cause cancer or is. there any is are there any bad. is anything bad gonna happen I'm proud. of you I'm glad you asked that question. that was one of the first things that we. worked on a number of years back I. happened to be in the pesticide business. not to digress a little bit but. there's an awful lot that goes into.

a pesticide being used today because you. have no choice when you eat food. and there's a tremendous amount of work. in it so we put the same amount of work. into this now this product. is basically calcium carbonate. that's uh ground in a very very special. way and we can get into those details. but we've got studies on earthworms. because of Forestry one of the things. you'll worry about is earthworms and how.

that whole profile works and. we could not kill the earthworms we. couldn't kill their babies we didn't. disrupt their eggs we did it on fish and. that's another type of study you have to. do is how you affect fish and the. birthing of fish and the the eggs and so. on and so forth and we've done it on. mice we've done it on rabbits we've done. it on rats and we have the whole profile. toxicology profile is what it's called.

and it doesn't qualify. for any toxicity so no no negative no. negative and it's it's essentially. what you you have to have calcium. and that's what it is I mean we. consume calcium through milk you know. taking the Tums is calcium and so it's. uh is good for us.

that's unbelievable that there are zero. negative side effects from this that's. really excited but so moving on let's. start to get into the science global. warming climate change. like like I had mentioned it's a very. divisive political politicized topic so. as a scientist without getting into any. of the politics can can you give us a. snapshot view of what.

global warming and or climate change. whatever we're calling it these days. what can you give us a snapshot of what. that is. I have a little video that I've given. you that maybe you could play later on. from NASA but basically what happens. carbon dioxide is a good thing. but if we looked at the atmosphere real. simply and said okay you have 21 oxygen.

you have 78. nitrogen we have one percent to deal. with of that one percent you have. several gases that are in there uh. carbon dioxide is the big player. a little carbon monoxide a little. methane a little Argon a little hydrogen. the only thing that catches heat is. anything with a carbon on it and so.

carbon catches the sunlight and so what. we've done is as we've used these fossil. fuels. we've created this environment that's. just above the area we live in in the. troposphere of heating and so that has a. play on a big play on climate change now. to the degree I'm not a climatologist. I'm an agriculturist. so you know there's a difference there I. see it on the ground I see a lot of.

things happening on the ground for an ex. I'm digressing a bit but in California. it used to be foggy all the time between. uh let's say Stockton and Bakersfield. and that would keep the heat out and the. cool in. now we have an extreme problem with. dormancy crops coming out of dormancy. and so we're using this product to help. enhance dormancy so it's a very.

important part of of Agriculture and so. the climate change or what's occurring. is is. it's amazing to see it and you it's hard. to keep track of it I mean last year we. had. freezing in Texas when they don't have. freezing now I drove through Texas last. week and there's hardly a cotton plant. coming out of the ground on millions of. Acres because they're in a drought yeah. it just one thing to another thing so.

when you say carbon catches sunlight is. that what you said carbon I'm sorry yes. carbon in that in our atmosphere. uh as the light rays come from the Sun. carbon is the only thing that holds heat. hydrogen won't hold heat nitrogen. doesn't hold heat oxygen won't heat you. have to have a carbon molecule to hold. the Heat. and hence as we put in more and more. carbon into the air from fossil fuel. we're able to.

capture more heat you know because it's. it's just a ratio you know so when. they're. when I when I listen to the news or or. anybody but a scientist talk about this. they're talking about Rising. temperatures that's a big thing right. it's getting hotter you know I also see. places getting colder but so are you. saying. when they take these temperatures. are.

what altitude are we talking here are. they is there a constant or is it it's. you know 98 Degrees in Bakersfield right. now every day or is it is it a certain. altitude that they're checking NASA does. uh and I've looked a lot of their. reports they'll do different layers of. uh you know at ten thousand feet twenty. thousand feet in agriculture and for us. people we usually take it at Ground Zero.

wherever that is most people live. between sea level and ten thousand feet. in fact the bulk of us live between sea. level and 6 500 feet so wherever. wherever your city's at or towns at. wherever the weather station's at is. usually right near the ground or about. 10 feet up is where the temperature's. taken okay so this is all. when we're talking about climate change. global warming rise in temperatures is.

it. is it all from from carbon or because I. heard you mentioned methane gas too and. I've seen that in other news sources. saying that uh cattle feces is. that. I would blame it or I would put the. emphasis on carbon dioxide CO2. over the methane methane has a short. cycle compared to CO2 CO2 less hundreds.

of years in the environment in the air. and it's very stable stable gas methane. can disintegrate or break apart between. three and seven years. and so it's kind of a more of a. short-term issue. it does catch heat and people make a lot. to do with it but I'm more interested in. CO2 because plants need it without CO2. we have no plants in fact half.

of the plant's weight is carbon and it. only comes from the air. so we need that CO2 it's pretty vital. and. hence that's what we get into what I do. with the treatment on the plants do you. have any facts any any hard facts that. show. any examples that show. um. what's been happening over the past. let's say 50 years.

such as. environmental facts yeah. rise in temperatures maybe more. hurricanes. colder uh temperatures with Texas more. extreme Winters more extreme Summers. well Texas is a really good example. again as you know they had that. tremendous freeze. and all through the Midwest but it it. really raised havoc in Texas because of. the windmills and they were dependent.

those things froze up now this year it's. a drought. pretty extreme. and in Washington. which was just north of where I live in. Oregon. we had an extremely hard late freeze. which is really unheard of uh in the. cherries we lost probably half the. production of cherries a quarter. production of the apples and we've been. growing apples and cherries there for a. hundred years and.

and so this is just this year so we're. seeing in agriculture around the world. and in North America. things going to extremes. do you have uh some type of a scientific. explanation on. how the carbon is influencing all these. extreme weather patterns. well. I do I have funny little analogies and. and hopefully people can appreciate that.

but if let's say that you want to go. skiing. and you're going to go over the mountain. pass to get up to the lodge wherever. you're at. our temperatures warmed up they'll like. to use science like you use celsius I'm. fine with Fahrenheit but we're over. three degrees warmer well. the highway freezes at 32 and if you're. three degrees warmer then you're not. going to have a frozen ice sheet to.

drive over to go skiing because it's. warmer and that was really apparent this. year especially in Oregon that we had a. lot of wet roads and they weren't. covered in ice because it's a warmer. climate now climate does change we can't. deny that it goes in Cycles. most weather patterns seem to go in. about a 20-year cycle. a little bit warmer a little bit wetter. then a little bit cooler. and back and forth back and forth and.

that's not holding true right now it's. it's. one year it's you know through the roof. you might say so yeah. I hope that helps a little it helps I. think the main thing Sean is. the temperature is rising what if it. goes to five degrees what if it goes to. eight degrees you know then where are we. at yeah I'd understand what you're.

saying because we aren't I mean I think. it's been a record-breaking summer. all throughout. the North America and I believe in. Europe. um you know my question is I understand. carbon captures Heat. my question is how is it influencing. these other extreme weather patterns. like hurricanes there seems to be more. hurricanes happening. um we've had more extreme Winters here. in Tennessee they had a very extreme.

winter I think was it last year in Texas. um as well as hotter summer so that's. kind of what I'm asking from a. scientific standpoint how was that. influencing all these other weather. patterns not just a rise and temperature. but also decrease in certain months. well apparently as we learn more about. everything in science and you follow. science and it's always changing to some. degree because we learn more and more we. have better tools to understand what's.

happening there's a new phenomenon. um. in the very higher up. per atmosphere. and I was reading some articles about. through NOAA which is the National. Oceanic and avionic administration. that these really high. altitude currents are affecting the.

lower currents and normally there is. about nine different uh El Nino's La. Nina's that are studied of the ocean. currents and everything's been based off. the ocean currents but now there's some. of this new technology about these high. currents uh in the air that are. influencing our ground. uh. uh weather and just not the ocean. currents or they're influencing the.

ocean currents it's changing our weather. again that's a little out of my. room because. it's a climatology issue more than it is. in agricultural forestry issue okay but. we we see it we see it in up in the high. elevations in forestry and and where we. have uh trees that don't get enough. water we have patterns now where certain.

species on South slopes with the lumber. companies have. gone into not being able to harvest that. Timber and the Timber's not growing. because things are drying up and the. climate is definitely changing and some. of these species have lived there for. thousands of years and they can't they. can't grow there now. well let's move into let's move into. the answer. Soul bear how did you guys.

how did this whole Venture start well we. first started about like I say about 23. years ago. and one of the Mainer in agriculture in. agricultural crops and two of the. biggest problems in in agricultural. crops is. uh. the Sun. Sunburn and not enough water or how a. plant works. and so.

there were a lot of things you used to. think well a white surface would reflect. the light so we wear you know paint. buildings white or you have things to. keep things cooler and and somewhat true. of reflection of light but we started. looking into it and looking at crop. yield versus different types of. treatment. and like I said earlier in the program. that um we've changed varieties people.

want all these nice varieties of apples. we used to just have basically a red. delicious and a gramenstein and today we. have Pink Ladies and Galas and all those. different things and the same is true. with the almonds and almost all. agricultural crops all the new sweet. corn varieties but. um. plants grow optimally at 72 degrees. Fahrenheit that's their Optimum.

production. that's where photosynthesis is at its. Optimum it starts down about 45 and it. shuts off just a little over 90 and it's. kind of a bell curve. so we're Optimum 72. and. if you keep the crop cooler and if you. keep the crop working longer which takes. a lot more carbon to do that because. plants are half carbon.

that's where this technology came in we. started seeing different things over 20. years ago on these different treatments. for sunburn. and you might say what we've developed. is a is almost like the sunburn spray. today instead of putting the old zinc. oxide on now we have these sprays that. you can't see. and that's where technology has come. that way well it's come the same way in. agriculture okay so you don't have the.

white nose anymore and and our. technology has changed quite a bit yeah. I hope that answers the question. somewhat it's it is keep going. so as we develop that we looked at light. and I got involved uh with uh Cliff. airchild at Oregon State University's. laser expert he determined the depletion. of ozone for uh President Reagan in the.

late 70s taught school Laser Technology. and physics at school for 40 years. got involved with Cliff through his son. his son was my banker actually Cliff Jr. and he said you know Dad is uh needs. something to do and he's. an expert at lasers and it looks like. this might work. um Workforce to determine how. um the plant sees light and that's very.

true and so I started working with Cliff. about 13 14 years ago on really defining. this product and looking at how this. product really works and so we use. lasers to determine how it works and. the Laser Technology. on how it affects a plant on the. interior there's a lot of science guys. the most uh renowned person is Dr wada.

in Japan. we're the only people that I know of in. the world that use Coatings and Laser. Technology to enhance photosynthesis. that enhances carbon capture. so for us dummies in the audience okay. basically what this does this this this. this. solution or treatment that you've made. is you spray it on Plants it acts as. some type of a sunscreen it keeps the. leaves.

at a certain temperature under a certain. temperature which enables them to. conduct photosynthesis for how much more. time than normal our studies at Fresno. State are showing us. about. 45 minutes to an hour in the morning as. the sun becomes what they call solar. noon. and then as the sun moves away from. the east side of the plant to the west.

side of the plant then it starts up. about a 15 to 20 minutes sooner okay so. you get this extended period of. photosynthesis which takes. more carbon. plants only get. the carbon from the air so they bring. CO2 in. and so for every pound of CO2 they bring. in they put out four pounds of clean. oxygen.

and that's a good thing but to explain. how that plant Works plants only use one. percent of the sunlight and they throw. away 99 okay. so of that one percent. they still try to narrow that down. inside the plant the plant has a layer. of cells they call it palacide that's up. and down and then the bottom part of. your leaf. has all these little spongy chlorophyll.

molecules running around. and what soul bear does and these. treatments do is as the sunlight moves. to the leaf surface and then goes into. the interior of the plant we reach way. more parts of the plant. and we reach more of the chlorophyll. okay and then you need more carbon and. so you take more carbon out of there put. more oxygen back out that's the waste. product. we take oxygen in and we put carbon.

dioxide out plants do that too the other. thing that this does is plants do that. at night it slows that process at night. because plants are more efficient with. it. Okay so. dumbing it down again for everybody. because a lot of people probably don't. know what photosynthesis is. photosynthesis is turning carbon into. oxygen so for one pound of carbon you're. turning your per a plant is turning one. pound of carbon into four pounds of.

oxygen well the plant takes in the. carbon okay and. moisture water comes up from the roots. and the H2O. is split because the plant wants the. hydrogen and it puts the oxygen into the. air now oxygen weighs 44 carbon weighs. 12. so for every carbon that comes in. there are several oxygens that go out.

okay does that make sense in fact it. does and we all like clean air. so the nice thing about this product. if we can get everybody on board. agriculture is on board already but. that you're going to put tons and tons. and tons and tons of clean oxygen back. into the air and capture tons and tons. of carbon just naturally naturally I.

mean you don't have to do anything you. spray it and it's done. that's what I love about this product it. doesn't it's not cutting down on on on. on fuel it's not making things more. expensive it's not changing what you. drive it's not doing any of that it's. just. something that happens in the background. that's positive for. everybody on the planet no matter how. you look at it yeah the the technology. to play it's 50 years old or older I. mean it's it's it's simple it's.

it's ill kiss Theory you know keep it. simple keep it simple stupid. so you brought some of the solution with. you yes I did can we can we see how it. works you need a bottle of water I need. a bottle of water. this is the new formula. and we're always working on formulas. just trying to make it disperse on the. leaf better. uh.

we use things like lethicin that's in. here people eat lettuce and all the time. it keeps the oil and the vinegar. together in Italian dressing uh. we use. a lot of in glycerin. that comes from plants and it's used in. cosmetics to keep moisture in your skin. so. let's turn around for the oh it's double.

labeled. so this isn't the. but this is just about it's not the. appropriate amount I'm just trying to. guess. and you can see it disperses just like. I guess cream into coffee you know. foreign. mix it a little bit and there it is and. that's it that's that's that's it and.

you just spray it you can you can. use a spray bottle you can use a. helicopter on forestry you can there's. thousands of different spray rigs the. Technologies extremely well known and. established but that's it. so you take this solution. spraying on a plant and it does. photosynthesis a couple more hours a day. than yeah than it normally would if you. want to take a shot of it tastes like. milk and magnesia you first. are you gonna take a shot of that I.

don't know. I could take a look you want some ice. would be. oh. yes we uh to keep it as a good. preservative you can smell it. that's another thing that's natural in. there clove oil. clove oil clove oil it's a natural. preservative and uh.

for all these people that like that kind. of thing we do put a little ethanol in. there for preservative with the clove. oil it disperses the clove oil all right. yeah. so. how how would you. get this out there. I've tried over the years. to get it out there. our government owns. 250 million Acres roughly of forests.

they're the largest landowners our. government. and. there's a lot of things coming down the. pike. so to speak of uh carbon taxes and cap. and trade and alls I'd like to do. is if anybody can help us. have. the Department of Forestry certify it. for carbon capture then there's all. kinds of companies that's called cap and. trade people that are.

producing products that put CO2 in the. air. would like to offset that and you see. that now on carbon footprint when you. fly on a plane let's see like Delta says. this or United says this this would be. an excellent way you also have to do is. certify we have all the data for it uh. mainstream mainstream agriculture. accepts it and uses it. um. if we could spray the force we could.

start turning this thing around right. away because. you're going to have the the the trees. in the forests photosynthesize more. and it's just not one year when you. spray a tree you're going to get a. number of years of benefit out of it. because during that season and even in a. dormant season when the leaves are gone. it still works and we have all the data. to prove that on almonds from California. and other trees.

you're going to keep capturing more. carbon if your tree one year is 10 feet. tall and you apply this and it grows 20. percent. and the trees that you don't apply it to. of course stay they grow one foot. they're 11 foot we're 12 foot. then you've accelerated carbon capture. for a whole nother year or two or three. or four or five or six down the pike. is this a one-time application you can.

do it a one-time application and get a. huge benefit from it or you can do it. year after year. so at a maximum it would be once a year. well I say at a minimum of me once a. year at a minimum four certain crops I'm. not a maximum for others that's correct. okay how much. so the world is a big place a huge. Planet here what how much Forest is.

going to need to be treated how many. plants would need to be treated. before we actually see. some kind of measurable. decrease in carbon. you know that's a that's a very good. question and I would like to answer that. if if we sprayed the national forests. the 250 million Acres it would be like. putting 250 million Teslas on the road. that summer. okay I mean so it's fairly quick.

um the atmosphere is a is a tremendous. place I mean a tremendous way it's in. gigatons and I don't want to get into. that it's just blows my mind on how much. that atmosphere weighs because you don't. feel it right here right. but. we're going to put a lot of clean oxygen. back into the air and that's going to. have an influence. so. at four tenths of a percent of CO2 in.

the air now as it's rising is having the. influences happening now. can you imagine just shrinking that a. little bit and adding a lot more oxygen. you know so the effect I think we have a. few years for the effect to really be. solid and really take place but we got. to get started on it okay so you did you. I'm sorry did you say 250 000 Acres of. Naturals 250 million Acres of national. forest is that US Forest it's U.S forest.

owned by I guess us or Uncle Sam one of. the two. so we could so just just the US. if just the US did this we would see a. global impact within a couple years yes. because the U.S amounts to whatever. percent the U.S is. uh and I've seen Maps where China's so. much of the. carbon.

and warming because of China and the US. is a much smaller fraction but still a. big fraction and we could change that. and just use the trees the the trees. um uh one of the Roosevelts and I always. get mixed up which one set up as the. lungs of the earth and that's true. plants are the lungs of the earth they. they get 50 of their weight from the air. they need that carbon so let's just help. them take more carbon in it's real.

simple we don't have to. use rocket science or anything like that. or try to have waste products I mean. what are we going to do with all those. batteries you know. so we put 250 000 million Teslas on the. road we're going to have 250 million. batteries to deal with yeah but not the. trees. you know and what are you sufficiency a. lot of people don't know that term it's. huge in Agriculture and Forestry water. use efficiency because. when we run short of water.

what are you going to do we can put this. product on a plant I don't care if it's. a tomato. A Douglas fir tree a maple tree. and cut 20 percent of the water if that. plant gets in and affect the growth zero. the growth will be the same in fact. usually in all of our research shows it. when we drop the Water by 20 in the. irrigated trials at the water use.

technology Lab at Fresno State we still. out gain the fully watered plants by. three or four percent wow so I mean. that's huge. so you know it's a it's a good way to if. you don't capture more carbon because. the forest is under stress in a. particular region at least you're going. to save that tree's growth for that year. so it can catch more carbon next year. well this sounds like this could also be.

the answer for some other things maybe. like. world hunger. oh absolutely absolutely. when we look at this whole phenomena we. measure we measure the. growth that you see. but it's like when you spray a tree you. have girth so you have more wood. University of British Columbia shows. that more wood but 40 percent of the.

plant is underground. so we have more or larger root systems. which takes more carbon which makes. water use efficiency better because the. plant has more to gather from so it. would be like increasing world hunger is. a real issue and it's like increasing. the ground we grow crops on by 20. percent at a minimum. minimum. so this this thing is like. you can correct me I don't want to use.

any improper terminology but um so this. is a sunscreen. for plants which helps them. do photosynthesis more which increases. with plant volume. both above and below the ground so the. root systems. so the root systems are basically. expanding. so it's not actually taking less water. it just has more land to drop more area. to draw water from it has more area to. draw water from.

and the plant will regulate itself it. else will cools the plant. and when we do these scientific. measurements and we do a lot of them now. called Albedo and I won't get into that. but Albedo basically. is how that plant uses sunlight. and. it uses a certain section light starts. about 200 nanometers and goes way out to. x-ray but plants and what we see for.

light is a very small spectrum of that. light. so it's known as nanometers so 350. nanometers to about 850 nanometers red a. rainbow of Rainbow is what the plants. use the light from a rainbow that's what. they use and that light. is really important on this water issue. because that drives the plant for. photosynthesis in that region and that.

when we make this material. I'm glad it's about empty when we make. this material. our focus is in that region of Light how. we affect that Regional light we don't. worry about X-ray and all that stuff and. we don't worry about the lower stuff we. worry about what the plant uses so this. is developed. for a plant to utilize the sunlight. which utilizes water and nutrients much.

better does that did I explain that or. get you no no it makes perfect sense. so I would think that the. farming Community would be. all over this and everywhere in the. world. there's a do they know about this yet. well we're an Oregon company. and based in Junction City. but we do sell around the world and.

for an example this year I we've shipped. a little over three quarters of a. million gallons to the state of. Washington for apples I think it would. be very hard for anybody. to eat an apple. from the West Coast where most 90. percent of the eating apples come from. without eating this product. really it's so well accepted I mean it.

and it's extremely well accepted. if you have a pomegranate we have it on. pomegranates in California it's on. pistachios it's on almonds it's on. carrots we ship it to Israel we ship it. to Morocco we ship it to Spain we ship. it to Italy. uh to Chile to Brazil so. Canada this is international yeah very.

much so and. we manufactured around the clock and. we're expanding our manufacturing right. now. and and. um the sole bear part of it is we I've. gotten off and and Bill my partner and. our team has gotten off into really. working with forestry agriculture is. totally accepted this. forestry from tends to be behind about. 20 years. in science okay.

I mean they have a lot of smart guys. don't get me wrong but you know a farmer. has to get paid. and it's got to work and his plants this. crop day one and 90 to 120 days later. he's harvesting unless it's a permanent. tree crop if it's trees or wine grapes. he's got to wait three to five years so. he keeps having to invest every year. every year every year you can't invest. in something that doesn't work yeah.

and so. how will the farmers applying this to. their crops there's two or three ways uh. it's all sprayed. sometimes by air. like on tomatoes when they get near uh. the rose or crossed over and you don't. want to squish all the tomatoes with a. spray rig typically it's a it's a farm. tractor with a sprayer and they call. them Air Blast sprayers or Tower.

sprayers we have a new technology. which uses uh. electrostatic sprayer which is really. unique and it'll coat all the way around. a leaf or all the way around a fruit. this is pretty neat so we're charging. these uh particles of the particles of. water come out you charge them with a. negative ion and it just captures the. fruit like that it's pretty pretty. unique. so with the Forestry Department or the.

US government or any government if they. wanted to would they apply it the same. way. it's known technology for forestry it's. usually a helicopter. okay but um the you've got a wonderful. uh set of planes with uh air force that. we could put booms on those babies and. fly them all over the place. yeah. what. what are some of your Hang-Ups then with.

with the Forestry Department and with. with the US government. foreign. with the U.S government seems like it's. uh specialists in hurry up and wait. um I hope Bill's got some some answers. for you on that one I'll save that one. for bill please do the business guy but. um I just get too frustrated with it. getting back to the carbon footprint.

what do you guys have any competition. out there. say say you're wanting the government to. take this on. as a way to reduce the carbon footprom. what other what other competition is out. there that they might be interested in. they'll probably look at the old. technology this this problem in. agriculture has been looked look looked. at for centuries. but those things don't.

work very well. they reflect light and that's about all. they do but they also capture heat which. ruins the temperature curve for. photosynthesis so I don't know Sean I. really don't know if I said okay who's. my competitor. with the technology we have developed. over the I don't think we have one well. I mean maybe last night we were talking. about Bill Gates's uh oh good lord.

he wants to put. this micronized calcium carbonate up. into the air I guess that's the. competitor and he has no idea what it's. going to do now calcium carbonate I will. tell you this. lets it transmits 95 to 97 percent of. the light. and that's done what's called in an. integrated sphere and we've done all. those studies but that's what it does. and so you grind the calcium carbonate. and I would imagine he's not going to be.

putting Boulders up there he wants to. put very finely ground calcium carbonate. up there to diffract or do something. with the light well he's he's using the. wrong compound number one. I don't know what he's thinking and he. certainly doesn't understand plant. science. number two you've got uh Bill Gates and. other folks trying to take CO2 out of. there and put it in the ground. and after several thousand years.

it makes calcium carbonate okay okay. well that's a great idea but what we do. with our calcium carbonate we take it. out of the ground we put it on Plants. they lose their leaves. it falls to the ground and it completes. a cycle. you know we're we're. so. we put it back into the ground so. competitively I don't know uh there's.

been people that have tried waxes. there's people that have tried shellacs. and. all kinds of things. and it's not accepted in agriculture and. so it's not going to be accepted in. Forestry. I'm sorry I didn't answer that very well. for you no it makes sense it does make. sense what is this going to cost the. government to do if if they were to. implement this and they were to spray. 250 million Acres of forest what is that.

going to cost the government. in the beginning. because our facilities out in Oregon. which has a ton of. Federal ground. it would probably cost somewhere between. fifty and a hundred dollars an acre. but as you produce this in quantity. and in different locations that could.

very well be a total cost of fifty. dollars an acre or less fifty dollars an. acre or less right nobody's in in the. future looking at this from the. government yet no now that the the plant. the new plant in uh that takes carbon. out of there I guess there's one being. built in Australia there's one in. Iceland that is now working. is a thousand dollars a ton. to take the CO2 out of the air. but they don't put any Oxygen back.

you know plants are really unique they. take the carbon out of the air you can. take a ton. per acre out of the air but you're going. to put four times its weight of clean. oxygen back in the air these guys would. want to catch the CO2 and put it in the. ground and form calcium carbonate in a. million years well that's a great idea. but it's a tremendous cost would still. bear be faster as well overnight the. next day you've helped the plant and the. plants you know takes a season for all.

that to grow but that doesn't matter it. starts working the next day so your. product is faster. it's safer. and it also has all these other extra. benefits to It Right comes from the. earth and we put it back and it's. cheaper. yeah. and nobody's looking at it yeah calcium. carbonate the the the biggest use for. calcium carbonate today is cement.

and we have lots of it around yeah we do. and calcium is one of the most abundant. minerals in the Earth. there's. tons and tons and tons and tons and tons. and tons would putting carbon into the. ground the ah the Bill Gates method. would that would that be harmful in any. way I don't see it uh being. harmful because carbon does. carbon dioxide resides in the ground and. they do a lot of things in farming to.

digress back on carbon capture. competitor they're trying to do no-till. farming all across the United States the. benefit of no-tail farming is we don't. erode our soils. but science is showing that it doesn't. really capture a whole lot more carbon. so this so we don't really have a. competitor. to the cost. you said possibly 50 dollars an acre do.

you have an overall. expense of if the government was to do. this what the cost would be. we spoke about it last night. yeah I think it would drive it I I think. if we could get manufacturing equipment. bigger and. mine calcium there's calcium all over. the place so we'll get closer to. wherever we're going to be spraying it. yeah we could drive it way down I the.

most. expensive part of our our product right. now to be honest is is the freight we. grind this up in Canada we use hydraulic. or power generated from from dams. and it's ground especially up there. um. in Abbotsford and then we truck it down. to Junction City Oregon and manufacture. with water generated from the dams and. so the carbon Footprints really small we.

want to kind of keep that up yeah we go. I guess what I'm getting at is last. night at dinner we were talking about. what would the overall expense be and. came up I believe it was 1 billion to. 1.5 billion dollars to treat them all. forests in the in the U.S I'm terribly. sorry I I miss missed the question. that's uh. probably my age no. [Laughter]. um. I think we figured about 4.7 billion.

4.7 billion billion to treat the entire. United States all the all the forest the. best part of the national forest that's. correct yeah. and and states have a lot of ground some. states have little some states have a. lot. um ground I I but there's the federal. government owns 26 percent of Tennessee. oh God and you have a lot of force here.

that we could spray we do yes and. especially around here so I mean there's. a tremendous amount of ground that can. be sprayed when we say the national. forest we're primarily looking at. um the seven western states or nine. Western States but there's a lot of. forests in New York and here in North. Carolina all through the Appalachians. yeah yeah if if counties and states and.

the federal government gone on a spray. program. we could turn this thing around. fairly soon or at least at least it's a. good. environmental safe. way to start chipping away at it in a. big way yeah I don't understand how. they're not looking at it considering we. just spent what 54 billion dollars to. Ukraine we waste money on all kinds of. things and.

4 billion to put a massive dent in the. carbon footprint I don't understand why. nobody's paying attention well. um. three years ago today I was at the U.S. forest Service in Washington DC with. Bill's brother Bob Bob had arranged. a meeting for us with the top. manager I guess you'd say of the U.S. forest Service and.

uh we offered to work with them could we. do. um you know experiments with you could. we spray part of the forest you have. NASA that was part of the government. that. Maps photosynthesis around the United. States and and with infrared very very. simple technology very and never got a. phone call back never got a word I've. met with Senators I've met with. congressmen you want to name any of them.

uh Senator Ron Wyden from Oregon Oregon. has one of the nicest. uh groupings and national forests that. we have or acres. and uh we were pushed off onto an aid. and I don't think the aid Knew Too Much. about. how plants grow or anything as far as. that's concerned. um. there was a congressman in.

Northern Florida that was very. impressive that was very helpful Gates. Matt Gates Matt and he made phone calls. to the Department of Agriculture force. in Florida which I work with and worked. with infectious species in in Florida. for a different product different AG. product that we have. and uh which was very very helpful the. only one and and we met with Senator.

Merkley uh we were unable to meet with a. couple of other people but. um. ran into a number of people at the Trump. Towers and talked to a number of. politicians at Trump Towers. and everybody says oh it's a good idea. and then it just it just Fizzles. maybe they haven't found a way to make. money off of it for themselves yeah. that's probably true yeah just going. back real quick back to some of the. other byproducts that this thing that.

you've discovered through this is uh. last night we were talking about. forest fires which is obviously a big. problem out west. forest fires. um. really get going. because trees are dried out or trees. don't have enough water and one of the. things. that happens when you spray this product. on trees is they become more water use.

efficient. and more fire resistant. you become more fire resistant because. obviously when things are growing and. things are nice and green in the spring. we don't have forest fires. but when we're running short on water. it's the end of the season it hasn't. rained for 60 days. the fires get up and get going pretty. good. and. this product can really help forestry. with forest fires because.

essentially if if you're. helping preserve the water that the tree. has to use and like I say you have a 20. percent give or take in there. so if you're short on rainfall let's say. you're short a few inches on rainfall. but you spray this product on then. you're not going to be short on rainfall. and this is you know to the to the. extreme I mean I would think California. would be jumping all over this I hear. forest fires every year after year after.

year I have friends who live out there. that are always evacking out of. California during forest fires and uh. have you guys reached out to. well that's part of the bill discussion. still reaching out to the U.S forest. Service and trying to get trials. um going with the U.S forest Service. we've invited invited them uh to Fresno. State University. um bills wrote letters to Gavin Newson. and to people in his office.

uh yeah I I can't tell you how many. letters bills wrote to people in. California in the government agencies. and it always falls on deaf ears I don't. believe we've got one answer back. I got a hold of a month ago uh the. California air Authority I've had uh the. receptionist uh gentleman call me back. and try to route my call to another. person that person did call me back and.

was going to route me to somebody that. was familiar with forestry and. Agriculture and. nobody's called. damn and in the new climate bill there's. four billion dollars for water use. efficiency and to try to how are we. gonna uh if you spray this on every acre. of AG ground you'd save uh well it saves.

let's put it in simple terms. and let's just talk about an egg crop. say tomatoes we saved 20 percent of the. water Our tomato uses and you get the. same yield so the farmer's not hurt. works for the farmer. it would save. per acre a hundred and twenty thousand. gallons of water per acre wow there's. six million Acres of farm ground in. California and 12 and a half million.

Acres of Forestry you're talking about. saving. jillions of gallons of water. but I I don't understand the government. so this would solve this could solve a. water issue a huge huge water so we got. reduced carbon footprint we have faster. plant growth. we have more food more food. we have less forest fires. and what else we got well you're gonna.

reflect five percent of the sunlight. back up in there so you have cooler. temperatures because part of the. sunlight the part that heats is the part. I was explaining earlier it's not this. out here it's from 850 to 200 well. you're going to reflect five percent of. that back up there that's what calcium. carbonate does it's natural it just has. to do that. and that helps a little bit with the. temperature gauge very interesting yeah. about five and all the oxygen you're.

going to put back in there. everybody likes clean air I don't think. anybody can dispute that yeah I know so. I don't think so either are there any. other byproducts that any positives. coming out of this that we haven't. mentioned yet no I think those five are. the. ones that we focus on and look at and. and uh. form all of our. questions and answers around or those.

five things depending on what part of. the industry you're in well I think we. should take a short break but when we. come back we'll talk to bill the uh the. business guy thank you so much is there. anything on my story it's a it's my. pleasure is there anything else that. we're missing before we before we take. this break. no maybe you'd like to take a hit off. that like I did all right I'll do that. on the break thank you but my pleasure. thanks for coming out thank you for your.

time cheers. this was totally different this was like. I was dying but I didn't care about. anything but. I saw my head. split into two. from the top down. I saw our waterfall several times.

and uh. were you nervous again. more. and uh. not you know you don't know what else. there is but you know that there's more. essentially what's happening is you're. entering this higher level of. Consciousness that you've not. experienced before and you don't want to. come back and I just started yelling at. the top of my lungs I was like go in.

there. in there go in there get in. and I knew what it was like to die. [Music].

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congressional investigating committee I. disagree with the assertion that they. acted like cowboys. and it says three Senators Joe Biden. Chuck Cagle and John Kerry the future. vice president secretary of defense and. Secretary of State respectively posed. while waiting for Blackwater rescue. their U.S army helicopter got lost in a. blinding snowstorm and set down in. Taliban territory on the side of a. mountain. do not ever discount the Iranian.

influence on the Biden Obama. administration then. as there is now. [Music]. he said Mr President give us the. authorities and a billion dollars and in. three weeks the Flies will be walking on. the eyeballs of enemies. Prince said his employees act with. restraint and professionalism he boasted. that none of the U.S diplomats he has. paid to protect have been killed or. wounded it was a great honor that they.

turned to us because it was a very. important mission right because the CIA. is the ones who made that Victory. possible for the United States. we've had a better response from. Blackwater than we have from the state. department we fought back on all fronts. the one place. that they had us over a barrel was in. the state department Witnesses say the. two SUVs were ambushed as they drove. through town another Convoy of guys that. got ambushed and shot up on the Baghdad. Highway the contractors worked for.

Blackwater security a company that. protects Coalition Personnel knowing. that the clowns at the state department. and the Obama Administration did. everything they could to block a program. like that because it's not something. they directly control it is such a mess. it is such a fetid swamp Trump was right. to call it a swamp it is. [Music].

Bill welcome to the show thanks Ryan so. you're welcome so. you're the business brains behind the. whole project correct. well I wouldn't go that far but I'm one. of them all right I just well over my. capacity unlikely conversation I met I. found you guys or discovered you guys. through Rob O'Neal we had a very. unlikely. uh uncommon conversation for us uh after.

his interview and he had mentioned that. he was uh involved with you guys and. that. it just sparked my interest one I was. like. I was really curious what the hell Rob. O'Neal has to do with. with a uh with this whole thing. um. not being in that room at all and then. and then two obviously what it's. actually doing uh really really caught. my interest so I just want to thank you. again for coming out to tell us about it. but um as far as the the global warming.

climate change. debate where where do you kind of stand. on that. well Sean that's a good question and. George discussed some of this but. you know the fact of the matter is the. planet is getting warmer and we know. that because we have the government and. other uh entities have recorded the. global temperatures dating back some 150. years and for example we could find out.

what was the temperature in Nashville on. September 12 1899. they have that figure. and so the numbers don't lie the is. going up. uh global temperatures now you talk. about. oh why is that what's the cause and. the scientific explanation and I really. haven't heard any explanation to the. contrary is that the reason why we have.

increased global temperatures is because. of the greenhouse gas effect. greenhouse gas emissions primarily. carbon are getting trapped in the. atmosphere. uh I read an article where a scientist. kind of explained it as it's like having. a blanket over the atmosphere and the. heat is trapped inside so that appears. to be the explanation as to you know why.

there are increased temperatures now. what is the effect you're probably. getting a lot a lot of debate on that. but we do know this that. 2016 and 2020. those years are the. warmest years on record ever. uh. you had in London. just this past June or July it hit 104. degrees it had never been 104 degrees.

you have uh even in Oregon where George. is from last June they had record. temperatures in Eugene and Portland 115. 120 degrees Yeah the last seven aprils. excuse me seven July's. are the hottest on record so. you can argue about geez what's the why. is that the case what was the cause but. those are some pretty scary uh facts and. figures that we have to deal with in.

society I'm I'm with you the argument. unfortunately you know the argument is. well what about. the record cold winners and what about. what about all these other changes that. are happening and and and and and. it just gets tricky for somebody that's. not a scientist or not involved with. somebody like George who knows what the. hell they're talking about it seems like. nowadays you can pull facts.

any way you want the narrative to go you. know you and um and so I just I wish. somebody could explain more on you know. I do agree with you we are getting. I don't even have to agree with you that. the science is there you know the. summers are becoming hotter I think you. said uh you mentioned that 2016 and 2022. and 2020. warmest years on record yeah. that's that's not an opinion yeah you.

can't it's a fact you can't argue that I. think the argument is well climate's. been changing for. millions of years and um. and um so but with that being said the. way I like to think about it is. probably way out there but you know you. know if you run your car in your garage. with the door closed then you're going. to die and so. because that doesn't have anywhere to to.

those emissions have nowhere to escape. to well. the world you know is a big garage we're. all driving around in it and this carbon. isn't going anywhere it's not just. floating off into space and leaving it's. hanging out and there's more and more. and more being produced and we're not. taking care of the situation and you. know whether that's leading to climate. change whatever whatever it is leading. to it's not [ __ ] good for us and so. that's what I really like about your. product is it's just.

cleaning the atmosphere yeah we got as a. country get on the same page here. whether you are in favor of green. technology or whether you believe fossil. fuels are getting a bad rap. um there's a common ground there yeah. and you know a lot of people are not. ready to say well let's just you know. shut down energy right now and replace. it with renewable energy uh. they're not ready for that but.

capturing carbon trying to get a little. better balance with nature. who's not for that yeah. it's a bipartisan approach I believe. yeah as you've said what uh have you. heard about this rock that they just. found in this in the river in Germany. I I did hear about that I'm probably not. telling the story right but yes it was. literally just a few days ago I think or. a week ago there is a huge Boulder in a.

river uh in Germany and apparently. um they were noting that in 2018 the. level of the water in that River had got. to a point or. 1616. it wasn't the year 1616 there was. etched on the the stone or the boulder. in 1616. yeah that said uh something. online today if you see me weep weep for. me and so.

um. you know Lake Meads the largest. Reservoir in this country and it is. currently uh at 27 capacity. yeah lowest level since uh it was. constructed as part of the Hoover Dam. back in the 30s wow so there's a. lot of evidence out there well what's. great about this product is it literally. does not affect anybody's life in a. negative way it doesn't.

you're not going to be charged more for. fuel prices you're not going to be. forced to buy an electric vehicle you're. not gonna. any of that it's just it's just. it's just cleaning the air and so I. think that's something that everybody. can get behind but as as the business. guy. um. maybe you're a little more familiar with. some of the numbers but. what is the. what's the least amount of land mass. that would need to be treated in order.

to make a a pretty substantial impact a. measurable impact of of decreasing the. carbon footprint what would what would. that look like. well I look at it as all right. we have the assets available to us we. have the infrastructure trees we have. that's the carbon technology that is not. being used and there's a lot of trees. out there Sean you've got. 750 million acres in this country.

and of that about 56 to 58 percent is. privately owned. but the rest is owned by the public. local state federal government uh I. think George mentioned that the federal. government owns about 250 million Acres. and. if it were to cost. as George mentioned in the neighborhood. of fifty dollars per acre I'm just doing. the math now I think that would be 50.

times 250 would be 1.25 billion okay. that seems like kind of a pittance yeah. when you consider that the budget. for the Department of Forestry alone for. 2022 is 8.5 billion. and you have another 131 billion I. believe in discretionary. funding so that doesn't totally answer. your question but if we were to spray. you know we should spray all 250 million.

Acres but if we sprayed even 10 percent. of the federal lands yeah you know which. would be 25 million Acres you would put. a good dent. in the emissions that are generated by. people in the United States yeah you. know that's the other thing that really. fascinates me is because it you know. just I don't read much on global global. warming and uh or climate change or. anything I I'm aware of the carbon. footprint but for me personally I think.

a lot of people feel like this it's it's. almost. I did not ever think that just one. country could make that much of an. impact you know so for people like me. you know I mean we can't even get our. country on the same page let alone the. globe and if we can't get the globe on. the same page then how the hell is any. of this going to work but if you're. telling me that the United States alone. could put a major dent in the carbon.

footprint then maybe we got Canada. involved and and and who knows you know. we get the rainforest in Brazil you know. involved and and uh. man but just one just one country our. country that that's. that gives me a little bit of hope you. know Sean it would it would snowball. once you've done say this kind of. project you would see the results. and you know I I liken this to the.

vaccine for covid I mean when we. developed that here we didn't just hoard. it I mean we shared that with the world. yeah and. you know if the rest of the world saw. what we are doing in this country. um and as you say. you know who can really object to. cleaning up the air. um I think that that it would catch on. in Canada and elsewhere yeah I mean in. in the cost I mean it's.

it's practic all things considering that. we spend money on is practically nothing. I mean we sent 54 billion dollars to. Ukraine it's not even our country I. don't I can't remember how much the the. inflations. production package was was it do you. remember how much that was. it's a lot and I don't know how many. billions yeah I think it was four or. five hundred billion yeah but. 1.5 billion to reduce carbon footprint.

well Sean are you any worse for the wear. let's say we sprayed 250 million Acres. yeah okay and it costs 1.5 billion. dollars. okay and it's going to work we know it's. going to work because we have all the. science and all the university says the. show will work but are you going to be. any worse for the wearer I mean think of. all the money we spend on Ventures on. technology on trying new innovations.

that strike out. yeah I mean I think Bill Gates said he. should be investing our company that he. will look at these companies and invest. in them. knowing that 90 are going to fail. and so. there is a lot of reason for the. government to try it on a large scale. yeah they have the budget yeah well they. have the assets I mean it's a real. solution to an ongoing debate that never.

seems to end and I mean I I hope they do. you know but but. so moving on how long it say we did we. did trade all 250 million Acres of. national forest here in the U.S how long. would it take before we started seeing. an actual again a measurable difference. in the carbon footprint well I don't. you're not going to see it tomorrow the. the beautiful thing is you know the. Department of Forestry they work with. NASA and so if you sprayed you know a.

certain number of Acres they've got. these Infrareds and the satellite and. everything else and and it can tell you. oh this is this is extended. photosynthesis you know this much longer. they have that data available and within. a few months you can now measure how. much more water retention have we seen. in trees how much carb additional carbon. has been sequestered and so.

to answer your question it's not going. to happen overnight you will see that. it's working overnight but you know in a. year I mean if it like it's worked in. agriculture you're seeing 15 20 growth. rate and so. a year after it sprayed you will see an. appreciable difference and now you move. into year two and year three. so remove a lot of carbon so plants that. are being treated are grown 15 to 20.

percent larger yeah we would expect I. mean it's going to vary depending on the. species depending on the location but. overall you're going to see that kind of. a growth rate and bigger trees equal. more carbon sequestration. foreign. you guys had a video. of a Christmas tree farm I believe. I wanna I wanna throw that up do you. want to talk about it first yeah uh.

let me set that up a little bit because. you would ask George about what are the. other benefits of Soul bear and he. talked about you know the water use. efficiency component that alone. people should be jumping all over yeah. private and public sector and the. Wildfire mitigation component I mean you. know this has been an evolving uh Time. For Us in the company and so moving into. forestry now as an answer to really.

helping mankind with the problems we. Face going forward with global warming. so. we do these various tests and university. studies and so. George's brother was working with some. of these Christmas tree vendors and you. know they want to have a bigger. Christmas tree spray it and you know cut. it down two years later and it's bigger. than the untreated anyway. he George's brother had this Christmas.

tree and it was in his house and after. Christmas you know he. he said it aside and he kept it outside. and we know when that Christmas tree had. been cut as it shows in the video it had. been cut. 77 days earlier when we filmed this. video and 77 days yeah so here's you. know you can imagine I know when I put. my Christmas tree out on January 1 you. know and a few days later it's not. looking so good yeah you know so here's.

George holding this Christmas tree. and I think it was a six foot Noble but. anyway it looked like it had just been. cut the day before and he's out there. with this Christmas tree farmer and he's. holding it next to you know trees in the. ground Christmas trees and you really. couldn't tell much if any difference. between you know the living tree in the. ground versus the one that had been cut. 77 days earlier so.

you know that was further validation. that wow the water retention that trees. have as a result of this product is is. huge from a wildfire mitigation. standpoint yeah. I want to play that video real quick. [Music]. so the United. fire Oregon wildfires burned over 1.1. million acres and destroyed 4 000 homes.

California was hit even harder with over. 4 million Acres burned and over 30 lives. lost the unprecedented 2020 wildfires. were fueled by climate change and with. steadily Rising global temperatures. future wildfires are predicted to. increase in magnitude each year. [Music]. this has driven Horticultural scientist. George Baker to work tirelessly creating. a solution that will help save us from. the devastation we saw in 2020. George.

has spent years researching and. perfecting his product so bear. this nature-based solution makes trees. healthier by significantly increasing. water retention healthier trees are a. weapon against the Raging forest fires. that continue to grow it's designed to. diffract the light and to split the. light into two rays so it softens the. light that touches the tree I think. that's a big key Kirk stroda a Christmas. tree grower applied solbear to his trees. in May and August of 2020. on February.

5th he compared a noble fur that was cut. 77 days earlier on November 18th with. trees that remain uncut on his lot the. results are astounding so you got two. trees you got one that's. growing out of the ground and you can. see that almost. looks the same. I don't think there's any difference. between the tree that's still alive and. the tree that's been cut for two months. several aspects are very important about.

that water retention so they're more. sunburn resistant they're more fire. resistant if it was in the forest. the trees just seem to look healthier we. had a hot dry summer and with the smoke. and everything we didn't see the stress. going into fall like we normally do on. trees. this scientific phenomenon maximizes. plant protection through increased water. retention by treating our forests with. soul bear wildfires will be less intense.

and more controllable in the near future. please visit our website at solbear.com. for more information regarding this. revolutionary product. [Music]. so moving into who you guys have reached. out to I know you've reached out to the. federal government I know you've reached. out to the state government of. California any other. government entities.

well that about covers it I mean it's. been a frustrating process you know as. George mentioned. um going back. uh he and another owner had visited with. you know some Trump Administration. officials and that didn't get the. traction we had hoped uh and it may have. been because of covet in the pandemic. and the other uh concerns that the. administration was dealing with but you. know a lot of letters to a state and.

federal government congressmen senators. and emails and just trying to get people. to you know take a look at this both. sides of the aisle oh yeah because this. is a both sides of the aisle deal yeah. you know and anyway. so. i s this Christmas Tree video I thought. wow this thing's amazing and I live in. California and so I'm like I've got to. send this to people in Washington or.

again California so all of the the. various you know uh fire related. entities and well lo and behold I did. get a response back from the U.S. Department of Forestry and specifically. someone in California that is works on. the Wildfire mitigation side and the. Innovative technology side of it and so. we are. currently in talks with the Department.

of Forestry about doing a project not. because they have the vision we have in. terms of let's see if we can. you know do something about global. warming but rather hey you know there. have been in the last the last. since 2018. the eight largest fires on record in. California. we've had we've had the eight largest. fires on record since 2018 in California.

and so this one yeah if you take a look. at 2018 did you say if you look up on. USDA website you know the 20 largest. fires in the history of California you. will see that the top eight have. occurred since 2018. now that doesn't. mean that somebody didn't forget to put. out his campfire but. it's because vegetation is dry but it. wouldn't have spread that far because. right yeah I could see somebody making.

that argument well a lot of these are. started by man yeah but they can't be. contained right containment issue would. be a lot easier to control if they were. using your product yeah so this person. from the USDA. um uh you know finally somebody looked. at like this Christmas Tree video and. it's like wow that's pretty interesting. and so we're in talks and I'm I'm. optimistic that we will get a project. done and he wants to use it for purposes.

of trying to mitigate or prevent you. know fire spread in the future makes. perfect sense and it's a no-brainer in. California you get a two for one you get. bigger trees and they're going to be. more resistant to fire so. I think we'll get a project done and. when we get a project done whether it be. on a small scale or something larger. there's going to be a lot of data that. the federal government will have. available to them and that really could.

uh the company could really take off. then what about the private sector say. the. I have zero confidence in the federal. government none at all I think they're. completely incompetent what about the. private sector say. say 75 of the farming. uh community. yeah to use this would that reduce the. carbon footprint or private forests. well here's the problem with that and.

you know I'm more locked into kind of. the forestry and I understand that it. has been a transition from agriculture. to forestry in science and you know you. can test on tomatoes and get a result in. six months less than that because it. turns over so now you have the private. sector which is 56 58 of this 750. million trees 750 million Acres of trees. and so you know they are not growing.

those trees just to look at them. um they want to cut them down and. harvest them and there's. different Harvest Cycles be it 20 30 40. years and so there has been interest in. terms of hey I do it takes me you know. I'd like to get a 30 or 40 year cycle. knock down five years I know I don't. make a lot of money and how I don't. understand how. you guys didn't fly here on a private.

jet there's just so many benefits to. this thing you know I mean I'd even. think about the lumber yeah but but hold. on here's the story so they're looking. at it which you know is not how the. company is looking at it you know we. would prefer the trees to stay there but. what incentive does the private Forest. owner have well they have one incentive. that if I cut a tree down every 40 years. and I could reduce that to 35 years.

we'll say but have the same yield. that's great yeah now what we've got to. do I think the federal government who. you don't have a lot of confidence in. and do you well I. more than that it just it moves too slow. yes don't don't get us going down. politics so but what we have to do and. this is what drives me crazy they have. legislation it's called Q45 and you got.

to have tax and setups right. and what they have and this is for the. energy sector is there is legislations. called Q45 that if you sequester carbon. and it's verified. then you we will give you a tax credit. Exxon whomever. okay but the way it has to be has got to. go in the ground you got to dig a hole. and it's got to be put in the ground. that's what the legislation calls for.

now Canada interestingly enough they. have the same legislation But it. includes above ground. air capture. carbon sequestration and so we took the. Q45 bill this is no joke we took the Q45. Bill and redlined it and basically took. what Canada has you know which said hey. if you can store it above ground carbon. it's got to be verified. um you can get a tax credit.

and so. send it to a congressman that was kind. of touting that type of stuff or it. seemed like he was more into it and. we did get a response but no action it's. like why isn't that just introduced okay. we have current legislation that's all. about Underground. why not do what Canada did and we'll see. if anyone is able to to pull this off.

but that would then going back to. Private Industry you would say look if. you you know can verify additional. carbon sequestration. uh you will get a tax credit so it would. give them incentive to do it. um. and that should be done yeah how long. has it been since you. started that conversation. um. oh that was probably. a year ago a year and a half ago and you.

know that's you know everybody wants to. blame covet and so I don't know maybe. that is the reason why but. hopefully we are kind of over the hump. on the covert thing and now there seems. to be a a shift again. to okay what are the problems facing the. country and I don't need to list those. but you know climate's pretty high on. the list and so we need to revisit all. of that yeah have you guys reached out.

to any foreign governments. no we have we have our hands full right. here Sean yeah but. uh why not I'm just curious well you can. only do so much you know working with uh. the universities although that is in. Canada. um and we have focused on the U.S market. right now I mean we need to get a little. more traction here. but if that I mean by the wayside if.

Canada has that legislation where. they're going to get a tax credit for. using you know they will get a tax. credit for using your product correct. yes is anybody. is that starting to happen well we do. have somebody that's up in Canada. actually who. deals with the process of taking the. calcium carbonate that George showed and. it has to be ground into this you know.

it's smaller than a grain of salt. and he is has some interest in getting. involved and trying to promote and. approach the government in Canada and. and sell it but. so we're hopeful that that will happen. but right now that's not on our radar. okay we you know we need. you know you need more funding you need. yeah more help you need more awareness. I'm just asking because if you burn it.

into brick walls with with State and and. federal government here in the country I. mean it seems like just. if the United States can make that big. of an impact there are a lot of. countries in the world that. have a lot of land mass you know and um. I would think South America would be. a great one it would be. yeah you're right yeah but.

um who who else can purchase this I mean. there's so many benefits you know the. farming the carbon footprint the the. water issue. Lumber I mean there's just there's so. many benefits can can can anybody. purchase this or does it need to be sold. on a mass scale or how does that work. could I go to you and buy this yes and. 20 off for you if you do this next week.

Sean Ryan but no it it's available you. go to the website and you know you. contact us. you know whether you need it for a. gallon or two or have a small project. it's available and. we would love to get it out there and. get it used are you getting private. people there have been private people. you know on a small scale I mean nothing. you know huge at this point but more and.

more people are finding out about it and. showing interest. last night at dinner you had mentioned. something with Cory Booker. right uh yeah Cory Booker and this was a. few years ago. uh. and I was just thinking about that as we. drove up into dinner the other day and. he had proposed you know we should plant.

500 billion trees. that would be the answer. okay and so you know I was thinking. about that and. I'm all for planting more trees. that's that that sounds great to me now. we have in this country. about 300 billion trees so. I am assuming he's talking about around. the world I don't know where he's going. to put all these okay. that is great problem is you put a.

one-year-old seedling in the ground and. now you know we need to wait 20 years to. really have it work. but it could be a good insurance policy. if you will you know in the event that. Green Technology you know doesn't pan. out like we all hope it does I mean. uh if we're not carbon neutral in 2035.

or 2050. but I'll tell you now they think about. it. we should work with Booker and yeah. plant trees but. what they should do is you gotta dip. them in sole bear. cost about a half a cent to do that. and we know because we have done studies. from the University of British Columbia. uh one of the problems with seedlings is. you're going to have a mortality rate.

you stick them in the ground and for. whatever reason too hot too cold you're. going to have uh you know 30 percent you. get differing numbers but they don't all. make it yeah so. the ones treated with sober though we'll. cut that mortality rate right in half. okay so that's big on an economic scale. and. in the university studies we did this. one study it showed that. the circumference was increased as much.

as 46 percent on these seedlings I mean. that's huge so now you're you're taking. a Seedling and you you've got the one. that's untreated and it's not quite as. big as the seedling that you put a spray. bottle and sprayed it in the nursery you. put that in the ground okay. you know when it's 10 years old it's. going to be bigger than the untreated. one so. I like Booker's idea we we could do that.

uh the other thing though. if you spray the current forestry have. spray it. this year you spray it next year he's. great the year after in terms of the. overall growth rate and the carbon that. you would capture you could you know. take care of a couple hundred billion of. Cory Booker's trees right there yeah so. how often would how often do you have to. spray this how often would you have to.

use the solution to treat the plants or. the trees. well George would be the best to answer. that but. you know you want to I think do it at. least annually annually yeah I mean you. can do it once and you're going to have. you know I can't speak to agriculture. but the forestry you're going to see an. impact that's even one spray because it. will have grown be it 10 or 15 or 20.

percent more than it otherwise would. have and so you you have that going. forward well they're not going to spray. it again would they be benefiting doing. it every quarter. every six months. more than once a year. well. let's put it this way it you wouldn't. there wouldn't be any harm in doing that. and and that's part of on a larger scale. you know doing tests on mature forestry. and and. um perfecting the science and what you.

get there's so many factors it's like. you know is it on the West side or the. east side and you know how it's going to. impact specific species. but it's better than doing nothing yeah. and it doesn't cost much Sean yeah. what what are some of your what would. you say your major Hang-Ups are. personally or the company the company.

if you want to get anything yeah. um you know I I think it is. you know getting. government to want to get behind this to. look into it I mean everybody you know. doubts their horn you know we need. climate change and let's have. legislation well okay let's see some. action okay yeah what is out there and.

it's like dealing with the person from. the Forestry Department that is in the. Wildfire fire mitigation Department he. is interested because he's into. innovation. and we've got to find other methods if. you believe or if you would like to see. the global warming level off and perhaps. go down and return carbon levels to the. 1960s level we got to try something. different and.

we have the best technology out there to. make that happen and so. the frustration is. getting government. to to try it and to move it forward. and. um. what a pain in the ass the government. um. what can be what can.

what can everyday people do what do you. guys need to. make this thing succeed maybe even. without government. assistance well is that even possible. sure it is that's that's a very good. question I mean first of all. what we need is you know this is one big. army you know you and me and everyone. else we need you know more people like. you we uh having us on their show we've.

got to create a greater awareness About. Soul bear and so we are very thankful. that you had us on your show here and. you know hopefully your viewers will. have found it to be an interesting. conversation and some may want to you. know follow us on social media uh post. it themselves repost. uh go to the website soulbear.com and. learn a little bit more about it you.

know. so write your local congressman. Senator and say Hey you know try this. yeah so so more awareness yeah any more. awareness I mean. Sean. nature. you know Mother Nature this Earth's been. around this plan has been around for a. long long time. and it's fought the Battle pretty well. and right now this is a challenging time.

for mother nature perhaps more so than. ever in the history of the planet and. you know we created. the problem mankind if you believe that. you know the impact of fossil fuels have. caused global warming got a lot of. benefit out of doing that don't get me. wrong I mean where would be without it. but now we have to find a way to return. it to the 1960s level and.

you know this is as I say there's. there's the fight over green versus. fossil fuels and that's what this is not. about this is. a Lifeline yeah for the fossil fuel. industry and it's an insurance policy. for the green movement if you guys I. feel you mentioned that earlier that. this is this is a great insurance policy. yeah for fossil fuel companies like.

Exxon Mobil BP. whoever I. I feel like that might be your biggest. Ally. in this whole in in the game here. because it is a perfect insurance policy. forum. if you guys reached out to them and. tried to partner with any gas companies. you know I actually have written to. Exxon really yeah and you know never.

heard anything. um but you know we need somebody that. has some juice with Exxon yeah you know. get your your foot in the door. but the the thing about it is Sean I. mean it's. it's ready today. okay you can see that it works tomorrow. and it's economical. and. it's the Boost that mother nature needs. to get over the hump.

well. I wish you guys the best of luck I. really appreciate you coming up here I'm. excited about what you got going on I. hope I hope this show reaches some. people that can maybe pull some strings. for you make some things happen but um I. just want to thank you and George for. coming up here or down here I guess over. here to Tennessee and uh and sharing. some of the stuff you guys have learned. your Hang-Ups and and and where you plan.

on going along with all the facts and um. I just really appreciate it that's right. well thank you I really appreciate you. having us on and. um let's see where this goes my pleasure. too my pleasure Alicia cheers. thank you. foreign. everybody I'm Sean Ryan click here to.

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