General Robert Spalding - Former B-2 Stealth Bomber Pilot | SRS #105

[Music]. General Robert Spalding welcome to the. show great to be here it's uh honor to. have you here I've been kind of. following your ex account for the past. couple of years and uh I. love I don't love may be the wrong word. but you always are posting. thought-provoking articles and thoughts. that I don't think a lot of people think. about and and um you know it.

really it the stuff that you're putting. out on there challenge challenges. anybody that's looking into what's going. on it challenges them to think and maybe. not tie themselves so much to a. particular party and or candidate and um. I just I really appreciate that because. I don't think there are a whole lot of. critical thinkers left in the world at. least it doesn't seem that way it seems. like everybody's just wanting to jump on.

a bandwagon and uh you see kind of both. sides of the aisle here calling each. other sheep and uh and and the reality. is if you're not a critical thinker and. you. cannot call your own party or political. candidates. um then you just fall into the. Sheep category and um I think it's. important that no matter how. inconvenient The Truth May be it needs.

to come out corruption needs to be. exposed even if it. inconveniences uh who you believe in and. um and uh so I just I just wanted to say. that I really appreciate that thank you. but um I'm going to go ahead and uh read. your introduction here which. is quite the intro. so CEO of. s. globally recognized National Security.

expert United States Air Force Brigadier. General retired former B2 stealth bomber. pilot former senior director of strategy. at the National Security Council in the. White. House Innovation while serving in the. white house has led to a reset in. National Security and public policy. regarding telecommunications in the. United States as well as globally author. of stealth War how China took over while. America Elites slept and War without.

rules China's playbook for global. domination received the defense Superior. service medal Legion of Merit defense. meritorious service medal and joint. service accommodation medal received Air. Force meritorious service medal with one. Oak Leaf cluster Air Force combination. medal with one Oak Leaf cluster and Air. Force Achievement medal with one Oak. Leaf cluster fluent in Chinese Mandarin.

under General Spaldings leadership the. 509th operations group The National the. nation's only B2 stealth bomber unit. experienced unprecedented technological. and operational. advances served in senior positions of. strategy and diplomacy within the. defense and state department for more. than 26 years senior fellow at Hudson. Institute 5G 6G technology commissioner. with the Global Tech security commission.

and I think that covers it am I missing. anything yeah there's there's probably. some things in there but they don't. really. matter wow but um never actually met a. stealth bomber pilot so. uh well there's not very many of us yeah. very cool very I mean that's not what. we're here to talk about today but um I. just I that I that is uh that's really.

cool I've I've never even seen a a. stealth bomber in person it's cuz it's. so stealthy yeah I guess that makes. sense right but um but um so I want to. talk to you today a lot about 5G. technology what you're doing um with. your company and and I want to talk a. lot about China where you think they. might have us cornered things we need to. look out for things that you just want.

uh the general population to be aware of. I'm I'm uh. just very interested in in in that. subject I've had a number of people on. to to talk about things we should be. looking out uh for from the CCP and and. uh and like I said been been following. you for a while now and I love what you. have to say so I just want to get more. in the weeds with with what you know but. before we do that uh I have a patreon. account a subscription account they are.

our top supporters they've been with us. here from the beginning and uh and um. they're the reason I get to sit here and. do this and that uh you get to be here. and and educate all of us so I give them. an opportunity to ask a couple of. questions um couple of good ones here. first one is from Gregory Lon and he. wants to know do you think China will. attempt to take over Taiwan by force and.

if so. how absolutely they they've been very. clear they're going to do that xiin ping. has not minced words you know we're. going to take back. Taiwan um how I think they're going to. come by the air the the the general. notion is that they're going to use an. amphibious Landing I think they will use. elements of Maritime forces but I think. it's going to be a massive air Invasion. the reason I think that is because you. can go to unrestricted Warfare the the.

document written by two um people's. Liberation Army Colonels and it's a. dissection and in addition to a lot of. other things but it's a dissection of. the Gulf War the first Gul war and they. really um talk about the um the use of. combined arms particularly the Air Force. and how it was used if you go back to. that war the air power was used to kind. of kick down the door and then everybody. flowed in and I think they're going to. do the same thing obviously they have. been studying us for a long time do you. think there when do you think this is.

going to happen do you at any time at. literally at any time we you know trying. to predict you know um we just had um. Admiral aalo come uh and testify in. Congress I think it was this week um. that it's going to be uh they're going. to be ready by. 2027 I I don't like to put a date on it. because that implies that we can have. insight into that we really can't it's. going to happen on their timeline and so. what we have to look to are they capable.

and I would say they're absolutely. capable the the the the Weaponry that. they've raid on their side of the Taiwan. straight has been building for. decades so I mean you think about it. they've been preparing for this Invasion. for decades stockpiling weapons and when. you kind of war game that you can you. can take those weapons you can make. Taiwan look like the surface of the Moon. and still have weapons left so it's just. the the the the forces are overwhelming.

it's 70 Mi off their. Coast they don't really care about the. people they just want the the. ground um so I just think that you know. not calling a spade a spade is a problem. they they're ready they've said they're. going to do it and so now it's just when. are they going to do it and it's really. their it's on their timeline why is why. are they so interested in. Taiwan it's you know the Chinese.

Communist Party um you know within about. 9 days after they annexed um what was. called East turkistan they call it Shin. Jang it's where the wegers live um they. claim it was part of traditionally part. of Chinese territory it's part of the. Chinese Communist party's lore right the. restoration of the of the great Chinese. Empire and so they have built into this. war lore that Taiwan was always a part. of China and that's not true and so um. it is something that they have.

basically you know. concocted based on part of their. platform and they're a political party. and so that's what they have you know. programmed the population I believe I. think when you look at it from. strategically in the region it does. complicate our ability to defend Japan. defend Korea defend the Philippines cuz. it it basically it cuts the first island. chain in two when they occupy by that.

allows them to you know offset um forces. even farther um from their Shore so um I. think it's strategic ter but but really. it's part of the lore that they've that. they've kind of created about themselves. and about restoration of of uh Chinese. um hedge money is that why is that the. reason that we as Americans should be so. concerned is because with if they take. Taiwan we won't be able to strategically.

defend Japan Philippines Thailand the. the countries that you had just. mentioned or would it be more towards. you know the the chip manufacturing that. goes on. there well I mean some of the some of. the candidates have said chip chip. manufacturing is the only thing that. matters right. um I think you got to go back to the end. of World War II and the beginning of the. Cold War what what interest did we have. in protecting Western Europe and I think. the interest was in understanding that.

if we become the only Society in the. world that believes in Liberty then it. makes it a lot harder for us to survive. in that world and. so part of the um part of the Cold War. was really just saying we're going to. stand for a set of principles and values. and we're going to because we think that. makes us safer in the end and so you can. take you can take the approach that it's. just a. chips um there happens to be a lot of.

American citizens that are living in. Taiwan I think that you know part of the. the the what's going on there is you. know do do we want to create a world. that's beginning to slowly move towards. China's Direction which is really. authoritarianism and the right to to. basically subjugate and you know 23 a. country of 23 million people and and um. you know there's a lot of complication.

in there and originally I was you know. we probably shouldn't fight over Taiwan. but the more I thought about it and the. more I really just um I believe very. strongly that we cannot um we cannot uh. defend our. Republic and the ideals of the Republic. if we're willing to basically just look. away from from that kind of um that kind. of activity the the problem is though um. we can't fight. fight because if we fight then it raises.

a spectre of nuclear war and there's no. way of. knowing uh when you fight over Taiwan uh. where that goes where that escalates to. you know do do you protect Taipei and. then lose Los Angeles is that something. that we are willing to to do and I don't. think that answer any American would say. yes I'm willing to lose Los Angeles uh. for Taipei and so you kind of get into. this situation where where if you're are. not um if you're not.

proactively transmitting what you're. liable to do then it's liable to happen. and then at that point you've kind of. lost the advantage or lost the the. escalation Advantage what we did during. the Cold War as we said you know if you. if you come if you invade Soviet Union. then it's going to be all out nuclear. war and we're going to destroy you and. that kept the peace um we haven't said. that with regard to Taiwan so uh and.

there's no um there's no. policy I don't think anybody in. Washington DC thinks that this should be. the policy and so therefore the Chinese. think that they have complete cart. blanch to to roll in there and you know. we've also done a very good job. um uh during the Cold War and after the. Cold War of preventing countries from. getting nuclear weapons particularly. friendly countries friendly to the. United States you know obviously. countries hostile United States have.

been doing it like you know North Korea. but countries friendly in the United. States we've we like Ukraine like Taiwan. we persuaded not to get nuclear weapons. and I think that's that's dangerous and. so um we've kept them unarmed we U we. haven't extended our nuclear embr in. other words we haven't said the same. thing to the Chinese that we said to the. Soviet Union and so therefore we're. inviting war war will come um and come. on the at the time of China's choosing.

and so I think what what we're left with. is do we want to evacuate the island you. know do we want to do we want to put um. Americans In Harm's Way for a. Neo you know that to me that the burlin. airlift becomes kind of the thing that. um that I think about when I think about. Taiwan at least at this point if we're. not going to if we're not going to have. some kind of declaratory policy that. says just like we did for Western Europe. uh that we are going to you know uh.

unleash the full retaliatory capability. of the United States on the China then I. think then war will. come when. you I wasn't planning on going down this. road but how advanced are China's. weapons and when we hear. about let's start let's scratch that. let's go nuclear war we hear about it. all the time with with Putin and what's. going on in Ukraine and and he's.

threatened. it there is so much more technology out. there now do do. we I mean are they even close to the. technology that we have and and or is. nuclear war still as much of a threat as. it was with with from what I understand. we. have we have new techn technologies that. don't that that like these laser.

Technologies these these these directed. energy weapons from what I understand. we're very close to having a dome over. the United States that will interdict. anything that's coming in I mean are you. aware of any of this type of technology. that we have this this new kind of new. Modern Age. weapons here's the situation you've got. China Russia Ukraine the border the. banks seem to be collapsing plus the.

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and you've got 990 bullets MH and you're. the best trained guy in the world. somebody's going to get through that. right so it's all about mass in the end. and that's what we're talking about here. with China it doesn't M the technology. doesn't matter if we're. Winchester and they still got weapons. and that's what we're talking about like. we can have the best technology in the. world we can have a thousand to1 kill. ratio but it's that thousand And1 that's. going to kill us and that's the problem.

we face it's just a pure numbers game. right nobody would say I'm going to send. a I'm going to send a uh an Oda team. against a. battalion right that would be crazy yeah. and that's what we're talking. here it's just the numbers are are. overwhelming ships planes bombs Rockets. missiles. just it is do they have more of. everything than we have oh my gosh so.

much more and you think about what we've. been doing recently we've lot we spent. most most of our ammunitions to the. Middle East and and and Ukraine yeah so. I mean yes they have so many more things. and so it doesn't matter how good you. are if somebody has just overwhelming. amounts of people and weapons and that's. what the Chinese have and they're. willing to spend. them makes a lot of sense you moving on. um. I wanted to get into I mean China has.

they seem a lot more strategic than we. are and some of the ways that that I. found that they seem to be taking the US. I want to just dive into some of those. let's start with the cartels in the. fentanyl crisis they definitely seem to. be behind the fentanyl crisis they're. sending in the chemicals they're sending. in chemists to train the cartels how to. make the world's most deadliest fentanyl.

they're moving on to the next drug you. know fentanyl took heroin now they're. developing this drug I believe it's. called nidis and that's going to that's. already started pumping through the. Border how legitimate is that is that is. it as strategic as I make it out to be. or is that just cartels reaching out to. China for the chemicals may you have to. take a a step back and say what did the. Chinese study you know who who won the. Cold War we did how did we win the Cold.

War it's really about unleashing the. power of our society and so what the. Communist Party wanted to do was figure. out how they harness that right how to. harness individual ambition for their. own interests and so if you can do that. if you can harness individual ambition. to a a certain uh set of Interest then. you can unleash the creative. capabilities of people but but still get. the kind of outcome you want so we don't.

have a fentel problem in China do we cuz. they know the people that are that are. making money at selling these things of. precursors and uh and helping both the. cartels and the Triads out of Hong Kong. they're they can make all the money they. want they just can't allow any of it to. seep into China or they'll end up dead. you know the Communist Party will kill. them and so they know that so they the. Triads the the cartels and the Chinese. make these people that are involved in. it make money and they have factories in.

China and they create factories you know. in in in Latin America and elsewhere and. move the drugs and they move it not just. United States all over the world and. it's a it's a profit making in Denver. now is the Chinese is xijin Ping. personally um you know sitting back and. managing this no they they they they. recognize that if you can narrowly you. know uh enable your people to get rich. but get rich in ways that support your.

interests then you then you've then. you've unleashed the the American model. in in a way right and so that's what. they do and so there's all kinds of. things that you can get rich at in China. that are Absol absolutely abor and. illegal here wow what wow what about all. the Farmland within the us being bought. by China or Chinese companies is that. well I think the the again there are U.

multiple likely reasons for that one is. just um if you have a lot of money in. China and you want to have an Escape. Route transferring that money into some. kind of real asset um is very important. you don't want to keep it all liquid. because that can be seized so getting. some kind of uh real property somewhere. outside of China can be a way that you. um. provide uh for resources if you have to. escape AP so a lot of the Communist.

Party do that right because you can be. in good favor uh at one time and then. you know very quickly like we saw with. Jack ma the the founder of Alibaba you. can be out of favor and then you have. nothing and so a lot of it I believe is. is getting assets outside of the country. um for theirselves and their family. members another is and and and the. Communist Party um they the the way that. they look at the What's called the Whow. or the um the EXP Patriots that are.

outside the country um they look at them. as a resource just like a citizen lives. within China and so uh there may also be. an interest for instance to um build uh. facilities within that are in strategic. locations um there might be an interest. to be a part of the food supply you know. to provide security so there's a lot of. things where your individual interest. can align with the Chinese Communist. Party interest and that's why you know.

property could be purchased it could. also be for influence and you know um as. always telling you uh you know we had uh. Fair Day Futures which was a um an EV. company that was building a factory. outside in LS Air Force Base this was. when I was still in in uniform where the. mayor of Las Vegas comes to the um Wing. Commander at Nellis and says hey um. please don't say anything about this. Factory because I want to have jobs for. Las Vegas citizen so it can be a way to.

also influence you know local. politicians State politicians Federal. politicians at um about how you things. that you want them to do I'm going to go. build something in your District so that. you I scratch your back you scratch mine. now the asks are not going to be you. know deliberate like you know obvious. you know support us if we invade Taiwan. it's going to be more along the lines. you know these are our interests and and. let's you scratch my back I'll scratch.

yours in the case of the the spay. Futures okay now the Chinese common. party has built this Advanced. manufacturing facility right off to one. of our most strategic airbases in the. United States where you can start doing. all kinds of intelligence collection and. whatever it can be it can be a base for. that and so there there's likely there's. no like one reason I think people want. one reason the there's no one reasons. there's a multitude of reasons that come.

through the relationships that are um. created by investing in real assets or. in companies here in the United States. and you may not even understand what all. those opportunities and benefits may be. all you know is you've just created a. tie you've created a relationship that. can be exploited at some time in the. future I mean this is a this is a this. is a well-known intelligence Tech. technique right gain gain an asset.

cultivate that asset you may not you may. not know where that's going to go you. may be like somebody that that maybe has. an opportunity to rise to some level of. prominence within a society but you've. got them you've got a. relationship and um and over time you. figure out how you're going to exploit. that and that's what they're so good at. I mean this is could you talk a little. bit about how they would ex ract. intelligence from a factory next to one.

of our most Strategic Air bases right. you're you're collecting you're. collecting signals. intelligence um you're con you're um you. you've got people working there so. they're downtown in the in the casinos. and the bars collecting hum so you just. think about all you've got the people. you've got the technology you've got the. you've got the geography to basically. set up a set up a a perfect place to I. mean a a consulate in the United States.

or an embassy in the United States is. the same type of thing it is a it is a. is a um it is a resource to gather. intelligence that's why we shut down the. consulant in Houston so there there you. can all the forms of intelligence all. the inss you that's a base for that U. for that capability I mean when you talk. about human and Signal intelligence I. just I what kind of I'm trying to make. this more real I understand it but I.

can't explain it as well as you can I. don't think what kind of intelligence. could they be extracting. from that air base I want to make it. more real for the everyday listener um. you know um they so first of all it's. off the departure in so you get a real. close look at the airplane and the. underside of the airplane as they go. over so um and then with Sig you're. going to be able to collect. um information on transmission now um.

where you might be saying hey I'm not. going to turn on some something uh here. on the base um because I don't want to I. don't want to um run it through. tests because this is going on so it. basically begins to um Force you as the. operator to change how you do things in. order to prevent revealing certain. things and we already do a lot of this. things these things already um for. overhead um intelligence collection but.

the you know having somebody right next. store is a is a whole um whole other. effort like for instance when we would. take the B2 over to air. shows all of a sudden you've got an. aircraft like a helicopter hovering. right over in front of the V2. no you know what are they doing with. that aircraft are you know are you are. you using r are to. basically understand the characteristics.

of the airplane and how how uh how it. uses that you know it's it's hard to. tell but once you're once you're within. the fence line there's all kinds of. stuff that you can do that gives away. secrets that we don't we don't want to. give away and then with the the the. human intelligence piece I mean. basically what they could do is create. an asset you know whether that's sex. exploitation and financial reasons and.

then you have basically a plant well I. mean guys go out to the bar and they. start talking about what they're doing. on Bas. yep right and and you you basically just. invited a whole host of people in that. you don't know you know we were like oh. well they're just they're just uh. they're just. workers well. workers in China are assets of the. Chinese state by. law right so you're you're inviting. people that are part of the intelligence.

apparatus because by virtue of the fact. they're. Chinese and uh and what the Chinese. Communist party will say well then. you're being racist no you're just you. have to recognize that this is the way. that they Orient their society and the. way that they use their citizens they. Co-op their citizens like you and me. citizens of the United States no longer. serving the government well in China we. are everybody. is and if you don't then you find. yourself you know in a bad bad space. with the government so you just have to.

understand that this is the way that. their society is arranged and this is. the. expectation you know I I think that this. particular conversation is very relevant. after the article that I saw you post on. on your ex account where Trump was. talking. about being friends with XI ping and. allowing him to to open car. manufacturing plants within the United.

States and the argument seemed to be oh. well this is going to bring American. jobs in and but from what I understand. what the article said according to the. article uh is that China has more. industrial robots than anyone else in. the world which means there would be. little to possibly no jobs for American. workers as. is the robots take over the basically.

the blue collar jobs on top of that that. also affects the chip war going on on. Taiwan but now we have the Espionage. piece as well and so if you could go. into kind of your thoughts on that yeah. you can look at the Belton Road. initiative um anytime that the China. builds a railroad a bridge a dam you. know any type of infrastructure a. factory. you know usually they bring in Chinese. workers to do that work almost always so.

um so yeah there may be some Americans. getting jobs but you're bringing in um. you're bringing in Chinese too um you. are you are um uh creating opportunities. for them to collect. Espionage more importantly I think um. they are committed to providing for the. Chinese people right opportunities for. the Chinese people even when they're out. outside of their borders and so anything.

that they're doing they're doing on the. basis of for the Chinese people so if. you say hey I'm going to bring in a. Chinese facility into my country then. you have to be of the mindset that the. Chinese Communist party wants it to. benefit them and so anything that you. might you think you might gain out of it. is going to end up being not what you. think it's not going to provide as many. jobs as you think it's not going to. provide the benefits you think but but. it will provide a benefit to them. because they see these things in Zero.

Sum terms right I will not do something. that benefits you that doesn't also. benefit me more and that's that's the. the way you have to look at it and I. think it takes people it's hard to. recognize that um you could Orient a. society this way until you take a step. back and you understand that from the. time you're you start kindergarten to. the to the time you graduate University. you're taught a certain way of thinking. your all your media you know all your.

social media every single thing is. wrapped around love and and to love and. cherish the party and so you while you. have opportunities to advance your own. interest with within that framework it's. within a framework where everything you. do is for the party and you know that. and so I mean that's what you're. bringing in when you bring in Chinese. factories with Chinese people they're. there to harvest the benefits of America.

for China period and of story and. themselves and themselves you have to. add that in there because that's how. they're able to be so creative in the. way they do it because at the end of the. day the party doesn't tell them how to. do it they just tell them it's okay to. do it and I'll give you some resources. to do it but you guys have to figure out. how to how to do it if you make profit. on it great great for you great for. me this is Huawei right this is we have. so our model is different right we have.

the National Security Agency National. Security Agency your tax dollar goes to. the government the government creates an. NSA NSA goes out and tries to figure out. how to listen to to. things right and China it's like okay. well we just we'll build the. infrastructure so that we it's built. into you know this business model so. instead of it just being a tax on the. American people it's actually also a. profit Center. right if I if I'm deploying all the.

infrastructure now I'm not just spending. money on a federal agency like the. United States is I'm actually making. money while fulfilling the same Mission. that's that's the beauty of the model. right I can make money in carrying out. what I'm trying to do in terms of my. political interests rather than just. having to spend money to do it it's. pretty it's brilliant it is it is how. else are they doing. this you name it and I think.

unrestricted Warfare does a good job of. explaining it every single thing that we. find to be common everyday things can be. turned into weapons that support their. interest I mean we we just talked about. you know fenel we've talked about you. know infrastructure you know Electronics. um you name it you know it's all it's. all it's all done in the service of two. things things one individual interest.

but that has to be aligned with national. interest and if you create the incentive. system right. right like for instance if you're giving. a tax break for doing X versus y you're. going to do X and so or if you're um if. you're given more uh loans to do X. versus y you're going to do X and so I. can I can basically create incentives. for you to get rich but do it in ways. that I can use the lever of the state to. to direct you uh in the ways that I want.

you to get rich like I want I don't care. how you get rich until I have I see an. interest in it and then I'm then I'm. going to basically I'm going to align so. I I just me mentioned Jack. ma Alibaba go out and build Alibaba get. rich okay I see now that some of this is. actually creating a problem in the case. of uh Jack ma it's like you're kind of. drawing attention away from the party. right you're you're you're this you know. very successful Tech entrepreneur that.

has a somewhat kind of silicon valish. feel okay we need to we need to pull. attention back to the party okay Jack ma. you're out of favor and we're going to. we're going to take over your company. you know this this is the way that the. party works it's very um it's very. capitalistic in a lot of sense but it's. capitalism tied to a single party State. and when you do it that way it it's just. complete way of completely separate way. of doing business of thinking about the. world when it comes to you know the tech.

piece which I think is probably where. most of your knowledge lies if I'm not. mistaken I would like to dive into Tik. Tok Tik tok's hot in the media right now. uh it's been talked about for several. years how it's a ginormous spy. apparatus and in a lot of people believe. it is dubbing down the the intelligence. level the of the US citizens can you.

elaborate. on why that was invented what they're. doing with it and why you're for the ban. so um I think first of all the the the. the bill uh that's going before the. Senate it's not a technically a ban it. is a you must devest bite dance which is. the company that owns Tik Tok and owns. the algorithms that that are behind how. Tik Tok does its thing um you have to.

devest of Tik Tok if you want it to stay. and if you don't then it's banned so uh. I think for the the idea that it's just. a ban and that's all anybody talks about. is obviously perpetuated by Tik Tok um I. think you do know that you know the. Congressional uh lines were flooded as. this was coming to vote in fact they. took the you know took the the phones. off the off the off the air because they. were overwhelmed by Tik Tock users.

calling Congress to say don't vote for. this bill and that was all orchestrated. by Tik Tock itself and so what um what. the what the Chinese Communist Party. recognized in what Silicon Valley was. building was this enormous influence. machine right you can influence people's. perceptions their behavior patterns now. Silicon Valley has been doing this a. long time it's how you create a trillion.

dollar company like Amazon right or. Google it's really about using the. information you gather about people to. then curate the content that brings them. in line with what you want them to do. what do you want them to do you want. them to be better consumers on your. platform so you make more money this is. this is the business model of Silicon. Valley well the Chinese recognize okay I. can make you not just a better consumer. I can make you a better person a better. Citizen and how is that and they they.

say this they said you know B Dan it's. your job to make citizens to create. content for Citizens that make them. better socialist right so bite dance. creates algorithms that power the Tik. Tok. platform okay so um so how how might the. Chinese Communist Party take advantage. of this well now 30% or more of you of. young people get their news from Tik Tok. that's a platform they get their news. from so I'm less concerned about the.

intelligence collection you know that's. obviously a problem this but that's. that's that's not where this is going. it's about it's about creating a. movement it's about creating a um a. community a community number one that. loves Tik. Tok but then because it loves Tik Tock. and it's on the platform you know often. hours per day then there's also things. that you can begin to love or at least. not hate and um and so it's a it's a.

it's an influence tool it's an influence. tool you you know you can like you sense. this in your bones like if you put one. of these things in the hands with. somebody there is slow ways to slowly. get them to do things so he's like well. where's the evidence right so another. YouTuber La y86 puts the UN the evidence. right on the things like here is message. after message after message is promoting. you know some policy that the Chinese.

Communist party wants different venues. different people right because uh you. have to take the message and you have to. break it up into into the the content. that people want who do they what type. of people do they want to see say in. this message what type of venue do they. want them in what type of um you know. what type of you know how how do we. frame that shot so that we get this. segment of people and then you do it a. bunch of over a bunch of segments he.

shown verbatim messages that are in Tik. Tok like somebody's reading the message. but it's different people different. places different times and so it really. becomes a platform for you to do all. kinds of things and um and this is a. thing that we never had prior to the. internet like so I think it's it's well. established that the Soviet Union had. you know active measures programs right. that they were trying to subvert the. United States people in the United. States but we didn't really give them. purchase now we've given the Chinese.

Communist party not just purchase they. are basically plugged in to what 180. million people in the United States of a. population of 330 million directly. plugged into to. them and do they love the Constitution. hell no that is their biggest fear is. that their people become aware somehow. sentient of the US Constitution and so. in the same way made the world safe for. democracy during the Cold War they're.

making the world safe for the Chinese. Communist Party by slowly eroding our. our value system our belief system in. terms of what's right what's proper. what's expected by a citizen of a. country and so that's that's the biggest. thing now you mentioned another that is. um that is I think equally a problem and. that is you know what happens to a. person that stays on this platform from. hours of a.

day well they stop doing other things. right so um just if you look at. productivity you know National. productivity as a as a as a positive. thing for your Society if I can get you. to do this for th hours and hours of a. day then I can at the macro level 100. again 170 million people out of 330. million they're watching these things. for hours of a day your National. productivity goes down mhm okay well we.

say well what where's the evidence of. that well they have the the the Chinese. language equivalent of Tik Tok called. Doan Doan the kids get 40 minutes a day. max by law no more shuts off that's the. Chinese versiones in China Chinese. version by the way Tik Tok itself is not. allowed in. China so no Tik Tok you can't have Doan. basically Chinese language version of. Tik Tok but you can you can do it for 40. minutes a.

day and when you interview those. kids and you say hey what do you want to. be when you grow up the number one thing. is I want to be an. astronaut when you interview Americans. on Tik Tok the number one thing they. want to be is an. influencer right so so you um so you're. influencing people their behavior. patterns you're reducing National. productivity and you're also so taking. an entire generation of people and.

saying you know this is this is this is. this is a number one thing to. be right not an engineer not a doctor. you know so it it it is it's a very. powerful tool and and it's it's just. basically taking the tools that Silicon. Valley created and just tweaking them a. little bit for not just economic benefit. but for social and political benefit. that it's it's it's really very basic. and I think anybody that's in Silicon.

Valley and understands you know why you. want to get somebody like Facebook to. you know to 100 200 million users and. the power of that as a platform or. Google and the power of that as a. platform or Amazon and the power of that. as a platform can understand a a a. regime that's dedicated to the downfall. of you know our constitutional republic. using those same techniques and tactics. and procedures to slowly get the.

American people to stop believing in you. know what is what is unique about. America do you think this differs I mean. is this is. this is this more dangerous than what. we're seeing on other social platforms. like Instagram x Facebook Snapchat and. YouTube is it I mean because the. messaging that's coming from Silicon. Valley as we kind of discussed at.

breakfast I mean. it's maybe just as toxic well so um I've. been thinking about this for a long time. and um and so you kind of take the. framework. uh if you've read The Federalist. Papers buy and large of Federalist. Papers argue for a republic because uh. of National Security. what we would call National Security. basically um Alexander hamton and quite.

a few of them argues that we need to. come together as a as a federal republic. because if we're separate then we're. going to be picked off one by one as. States as colonies if you will and so. National Security was. heavily um kind of the most I think. important thing there was other things. but. primarily how do we protect ourselves. from England or any of these other. monarchies that may want to take away. our freedoms we have to band together in.

order to do that and so what are the. things that we need to worry about well. in in the Constitution says we need an. army we need a Navy right so we had. powerful armies and we had powerful. navies there was no like we need a cyber. security organization or you know we. need a cyber command because there's no. internet right so so the as they at. least as they could conceive of a threat. to our indiv individual um uh political. Independence and sovereignty It could.

only come by force of arms right. somebody could come and occupy us and. then take that away by force of arms and. that's why you know we have things like. the Second Amendment um but imagine if. you could say hey I can slowly erode. your political Independence and. sovereignty Beginning by beginning to. change your mind through this medium. called the internet how might we have. conceived of the Republic differently in. instan it not just in laws but also in. technology and that's the thing that I.

that I think is a real problem when when. when Trump went to um China I I can't. remember who told them but they. basically said hey you know uh we're. going to be number one in AI uh we've. got all the our data and we've got your. data you really can't compete with that. because you can't really collect data as. a as a government and and drive all the. resource of the state to become the most. powerful country in artificial. intelligence so we're going to dominate. the world that's coming and get in line. or don't and we'll either keep me keep.

you in uh plugged in or we'll cut you. off um those are powerful powerful ideas. right what um what the U former um head. of Google China uh I wrote the book AI. superpower what he says is we want to. become the Saudi Arabia of data right. what does that mean well that o That's. oil for AI engines we want to be. dominant in artificial intelligence and. by doing that we can we can use all.

these tools tools like bite Dan's. algorithms um to to to to begin to. manipulate the world in ways that we. want and I. think recognizing that and recognizing. that certainly since um 2007 when the. iPhone came out and then shortly. thereafter about a couple years later. when 4G network started I found on a 3G. network was was trash it's like a it it. was fun for a little bit but then. you really didn't get a good user. experience but when they had a 4G.

network and you really had Broadband a. Broadband cellular link that you could. connect that device now I've got. something that I can get you hooked on I. can I can create applications I can get. you so now you know everybody just kind. of stares with these things when that. happened this ability to bypass you know. um these two big oceans that protect us. and these two friendly borders and go. directly to the heart of American. ization that's what we created and all.

you have to do is look at hey here's how. these big tech companies manipulate you. the narrative manipulate your behavior. to make money from you right they're. they're they're the 25% S&P 500 the most. economically powerful companies you know. ever and and most influential companies. ever and so the Chinese Communist party. just just takes takes that in learns. about about it and then begins to. iterate on it right they've they've.

taken your technology and then they've. Advanced it for their own interest and. ways it what are you most worried about. when it comes to the to Tik Tock in. China well I mean just the ability to um. take the take our population to. manipulate it to manipulate it and. manipulate it in ways that number one. reduce National productivity and number. two get them to um not appreciate the. principles and values that are in our. society right why why is the.

Constitution why the separation of. powers and so getting back to that you. know that um that what does it means it. means the separation of. powers really no longer exist it's kind. of a function of the 20th century. because now we've gone in the 20th. century where um The Narrative has. become so hard to get. past not I'm saying China created The. Narrative you you mentioned it yourself. these tech companies um have a certain.

political ideology you know Elon just. said hey 99% of Twitter was was um. basically donated to a single party and. as we've seen that is starting to that. has you know basically crept into the. tech companies well and the Chinese. Communist party to the sense to this um. to the um to the fact that it actually. benefits is is more than happy to um use. that as a tool to get its interest met.

so you know in a lot of. ways the way that they manipulate us is. through these corporate and financial. relationships and that's tied right into. the tech company relationships and so. you know the fact that Apple wants to. sell phones in China is a is a great. piece of Leverage for the Chinese. Communist party right you want to be in. China okay well this is what we we want. you to do and so you know it it is a way.

for um and and I don't think I'm not. calling what's happened in this country. kind of a a movement towards um what um. if have you read cynical theories I have. not it's really good book it kind of. talks about the history of um post uh. postmodern post postmodernism and how. um you know theories like um critical. race Theory and and Dei have become.

started out as more or less a a um an. ineffective critique of the um of the. western order you know post. Enlightenment Western order uh kind of. on the same line as Marxism but um. became more than just a critique in. universities and kind of like a sideshow. to transition to more of an activist. tone and kind of walks you through that. you know starts in France and then kind.

of U builds and builds and builds to. where and so when I was getting my PhD. in the University I was starting to hear. some of these things but I really didn't. understand kind of where it was going. and now it's fully matriculated. throughout our University system and. then it's made because our students are. coming out and they're coming into white. collar jobs a lot of them you know. Silicon Valley um software. developers um now you've started to kind. of build this throughout the framework. of our society and so if you look at.

China just as a um as an influence. engine how the system works you know the. party gives narratives centrally and. that gets demonstr uh you know gets um. sent down to the to the local level and. so you have then a pretty comprehensive. clearcut narrative that is is the same. across the country and that's why when. you talk to a Chinese person they have. certain responses to things like what do. you think about want it's Chinese. territory because that is part of that. whole process well if you take a step.

back and you say okay what's going on. here in the United States effectively. we've created the same system it's not a. single party authoritarian system it's. more of a um it's more of an an ideology. that that escaped the university system. became embedded in the white caller. class and then became a patina over the. entire um uh architecture and then when. you as the internet begins to um grow um.

local media begins to lose value be sold. off you know Consolidated so now you. have basically five major Legacy we call. them uh media companies I would you know. it's better to think of them more as. propaganda companies um that have a. similar kind of narrative that spreads. to the technology companies and then so. now you have a reinforcing. kind of phenomenon where um I just.

mentioned you know 99% of uh Twitter. employees were Dona to a single. political party um if you look within. the Beltway of Washington DC 94 95% of. people vote for for a single political. party U you have the tech companies you. have the government agencies you have um. you have the financial institutions you. know the very big ones that own probably. 10% or more of the major media companies. right so you you're starting to see the. system that is not the same in terms of.

how um who it benefits you know a single. political party but more of a class of. people it benefits right so so we've. created more of a class-based. um Central centrally controlled. narrative system that's very very. um much like how the Chinese control. their population and also because these. corporations have Financial. relationships with China it's plugged. into it right and so now you take a step.

back and like if you're if you take a. God's ey view of the of the planet and. you see okay you know you're creating. narratives that are essentially. acceptable in China and the United. States one's a Democratic Republic the. other is clearly an authoritarian system. how is that possible well it's possible. because they're connected and they're. connected and they're essentially the. mechanism that by which you translate. that narrative are the same it's just. who they're benefiting in the case of.

China Chinese Communist Party in the. case of this I would call it you maybe. the white collar class of of the United. States and to the detriment of who in. China it's any anybody that's not in the. Chinese Communist party to to America. it's anybody that's not in that white. collar class right or somebody within. the white collar class that basically. dissents to the narrative and who is. that here that's the word working class. I mean you one of the arguments for the.

the. bill about the the the tick tock bill is. is a lot of people are saying it's the. Patriot Act. 2.0 what do you have to say about that. okay so first of all I think the Patriot. Act was the worst thing that we've ever. done as a country absolute worst thing. um it goes back to that point about open. data you know that that the what what. Trump was told when he went to China I. think open data was the biggest. Destroyer of individual freedoms ever. created right and we created you know.

here and um and I don't think that we. recognized what we were doing right it. was we were basically getting rid of. those two big oceans and two friendly. borders as a way to protect ourselves in. addition to our military and allowing. this thing to be built right in plain. sight uh right over us and so. um you know I think that that right. there is the you know uh that's the.

problem the Patriot Act. um the Patriot Patriot Act is what. brought our the US government into this. into this white collar class-based. narrative control right gave it gave it. purchase you know the the fact that you. know Obama you know repealed this you. know anti-propaganda. um law that we had on the books that you. weren't supposed to create propaganda.

well you know ostensibly we're going to. do it to kind of change the narrative. for um the terrorist threat but in. reality it's been used in other ways I. think and I think everybody would agree. with that I mean there court court cases. in front of the Supreme Court talking. about you know the government now kind. of being in league in League with the. tech companies and this is a problem. it's a problem for a democracy because. you have to have you know in in in a. separation of powers people talk about.

the fourth estate the fourth estate. being the Press right so you have you. Judiciary the legislative and executive. branch that don't really have Domin. dominance over um over each other but. then you also have a free press That's. supposed to basically be the ones. calling out the government for the. things that that are going wrong and how. many things have we found out that were. being hidden from us over the years. because of things like the New York. Times but if you can corporatize that.

and consolidate it and you can tie it to. a certain set of ideologies now instead. of the New York Times throwing pot shots. at the federal government because they. don't trust them like what are they. hiding there's something going on. they're like if the government says. something they just repeat. it and that's where we that's that's. where we've come to and I think that's. the um that's the challenge. so the people that are saying that that. the Tik Tock divestment Bill bite dance.

devest of Tik Tok or we or or Tik Tok. would be banned the people that are that. are against that I believe are the ones. that are pro promoting this ability to. continue to have Tik Tok operating in. the way that it wants to here in the. United States now who are those well. there's there's Jeff yass good guy that. invested in in Tik Tok wants to keep his. billions right he's obviously one of. them that wants to keep Tik Tock around. and and the Chinese Communist part is. not going to devest of you know what is.

a very good propaganda tool for um for. the united front work group so I think. if this does pass the Senate you're. going to see it banned and and and. obviously he doesn't want to Bann. there's others that don't want to ban so. there's Financial motive for them to say. hey it's either it's either um. government overreach or the government. wants to use Tik Tok to spy on you you. know um I don't read that in any part of. the. bill that being said patriotic very bad.

needs to go away period needs it just. needs to go away and I think I'll go one. further I think. encryption right when we say you know. free speech is a fundamental human right. or the right to keep them be arms right. the right to protect yourself the right. to private property I think the right to. encryption of your data is a h should be. car Ariz as a as a fundamental human. right and that's because the power of.

these tools to manipulate you without. your consent is based on the ability for. them to take data about you and data. that you own and then turn around and. characterize who you are as an. individual how you think how you respond. to stimulus and then begin to feed those. things back to you to manipulate you and. that's that's why I think you know we. have to be able and we thought of. encryption as the the the you know only. the venue of the NSA or you know the. federal government they they should have. you know the ability to cryp things but.

you as a as a person shouldn't I. disagree with that in fact I think our. constitutional republic is probably the. the best um type of society that could. you know accept a citizenry not just. armed you know with weapons but armed. with the power of their own data to. protect from outside influence whether. it be the government where whether it be. Corporation or whether it be a foreign. power there there's also an argument.

that talks about a lot of people are. saying that this would uh basically. infiltrate. into supposed Free Speech platforms such. as Rumble and X is how would that how. would this Bill affect those. platforms um it's very clear in the bill. that is tied to bite dance okay and tick. Tok right I I don't see anything where. it's going to go after any it's really. really focused on bite dance as a tool.

of the Chinese Communist party which it. is and we can get the party say has. already said it it's the their words are. there and so um you know it's I don't. know how else to do it other than to. read the bill. yourself and tell me how you get you. know uh and what would it be it it would. be that Rumble was owned by the Chinese. Communist party and then whoever owned.

that had that share of it would have to. devest of it because they're a foreign. power okay I think that's great so if. you're the if you're the CEO of Rumble. and you're telling me that you want to. have the ability to sell over half your. company to the Chinese because you want. to make a bunch of money and you don't. really carry what happens with it and so. therefore you're going to be against. this bill and I'm not saying that that. they are but I'm just saying these are. the types of arguments that you could. make is you know I should be able to.

sell my company to the Chinese Communist. Party who would give me a lot of money. if I you know if they get kicked out of. Tik Tok and they need some other. platform and they may do it in pieces so. it's it's not. detectable but that's a problem if you. can find if you can discover that hey. ultimately the Chinese Communist party. is behind you know what's going on on. Tik Tok or I mean on say X or Facebook. then yes those people need to devest of.

their. shares that's what the bill says if it's. a for if it's if it's related to a. foreign power um so I don't I don't know. how you get that the government the US. government um is going to use that other. than you know even if they got the. Chinese to buy it for them they would be. in violation of the law so well I think. the people are getting that because. that's what they're being told well of. course and U I mean that's that's part. of that's part of uh the CEO of Tik.

tok's you know that's part of his plan. and it's part of all other proxy's plan. is let's let's make let's let's confuse. the issue let's make it sound like this. is government overreach because. Americans hate government overreach and. you know everybody will will lap it up. you know look I understand people like. Tik Tok you can like something and it it. still be bad for your Republic and I.

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a little more detail on what they're. collecting and how this is affecting us. well I think the the the best way to. approach that is how does somebody um. how does somebody collect data about you. and the answer. is the software development kits for the. applications that run on the. devices um have data about your device. that they. collect those those um developers.

collect it's it's sold on the open. market anybody can buy it you can buy it. I can buy it and then you can take that. data and you can um you can look it you. can look at it and you can stare at it. you can get an Intel analyst or you can. put you know um you know do a massive. learning model like you know chat GPT go. over that data and begin to you know. look at um information and so what does. that look like well it looks like um you. know when you look at uh data on a ba on.

a military base for. example you can see when devices are at. a certain location what devices at a. certain location so you can start to see. things like shift changes and you can. start to see like generations and so you. start to you know get a good picture of. the Ops Tempo um and the daily um. Behavior that's going on at the. paase but also you can you can watch. that and you can see hey this device was. in this.

location um and this can be the Pentagon. this can be a military base like Whitman. Air Force Base where I spend a lot of my. career could be the White House and then. you can watch that device and watch what. it does and then that device will go. home right often to the same place every. night so now you can say okay well who. owns that home now you can start to tie. a person to the device now you have the. person you have the device and now you. can begin to watch that where's that. person go right um it's it's a way to.

build a picture about what what um what. they do and that's just for somebody. that's not um that's not within a. platform like Tik Tok right so that's. just the data the metadata that's. collected around that device you can buy. it anybody can buy it and so that's. information but then if you're actually. in the platform itself. now you can um not only U collect that.

information you know exactly who it is. not only that you know the things that. they begin that they um respond to right. so you can you can get a good picture of. the personality type of the person and. the behavior patterns and the things. that they. like and that can lead. into um you know where you bump and say. hey I'm I just happen to randomly bump. into this person and hey how's it going. by the way you know what they like you.

know all the things they care about you. can strike up conversation this can be. end up uh um developing into a. friendship and then that's how you. become you. know an asset so it is it is. literally the best tool so I mean when. the Chinese Communist party did this it. was actually in my opinion the most. brilliant use of Technology like we talk. about nuclear weapons being dangerous. yeah they're dangerous they're. destructive but there is literally no.

weapon that's ever been created that's. as dangerous in the context of what war. is which is a political act than you. know what Silicon Valley created it is. literally the most dangerous weapon. known to mankind because it's. subtle um and most people aren't um uh. they're not uh they don't understand the. technology understand how it's used or. how it can be used um not just people. don't understand it our own government.

doesn't understand. it right they're not they're not. um you know our intelligence Community. doesn't. have uh it doesn't own Google doesn't. own Facebook it doesn't own Twitter I. mean it's been it's tried to like and we. we've seen that particularly with the. Twitter files that hey you know this was. going on but it doesn't own those. platforms China owns those. platforms right so they become part of.

the fabric of of Western society and. then they become assets for the Chinese. Communist Party whether it's you know. Tik Tok and then bite dance owns Tik Tok. and bite Dan is Chinese company or it's. Facebook and you're able to get in and. get you know exploit their information. so whether they're and and I would. um you know that's that's where that if. I was going to build the most effective. war machine today it would be the war.

machine that you know basically Silicon. Valley built and that it's not they. don't consider it a war machine but if. war is a political. act and and you can you can achieve. political influence through this. tool then by Nature can't that be viewed. as a weapon of War I mean the way we use. it in Co the B2 was we used stealth. bomber 2,000lb job bombs to take out.

factories owned by and other assets. owned by the elite in cille to get them. to give up mosovich and and within two. weeks of us starting to do that they. did and that's this is this is so. literally in the Pentagon I'm sitting. there in 2014 and I get this briefing. and I start to look at this I'm like. wait a second this is going on in our. society this this influence of our of. our of our corporate sector um and it's. the same thing that we did in Koso but I. was doing with 2,000lb bombs they're.

just doing. it it's the way they do business and you. start to go around the government and as. we did like who knows about this who. understands nobody because the the the. businesses aren't going to talk to. government they're afraid to tell. government what's going on you know it. then it gets announced to the public and. affects their valuation or you know in. some way Torpedoes their business so. they don't want to share that. information with the government they. want to cover it up keep it. quiet um this is going on across the.

United States mean it's going on across. every Western Society this this this. slow erosion of the of our um of our. industrial base our our capacity so I. mean it's just it is really really. effective to to wage war in this way and. you don't have to create a whole lot of. risk around it. what let's let's move into the 5G stuff. I don't I am as green as it gets when it.

comes the 5G 6G technology I I I hear. often times that we should be concerned. about it. what what is it I don't even know where. to start so but I know you're the expert. so please first of all um one of the. things that people talking about is like. it's going to it's going to you know uh. um create disease or or start cancer um.

this the the Spectrum the frequency us. are no different than 4G so the radio. part is not really what's different. although they do have um a segment of. the spectrum that's up in the you know. 24 to you know 40 GHz range really high. frequency um by the way that stuff that. frequency is what you know when you get. in the in in the airport and somebody. scans you you know it's the same type of. frequency doesn't penetrate your body.

okay and so the the um the the the. carriers start to roll the stuff out uh. very early and they realize okay it. doesn't penetrate your body which means. if if your hand is blocking the phone. the phone can't pick up a signal and oh. by the way it goes about 100 yards. that's not good for um for user. experience right so they abandon. building out so it's really not. appropriate except for like um very. densely populated venues where they put.

up a lot of antennas and they can they. have a lot of people in their devices so. they need a lot of bandwidth otherwise. it's not effective uh for use for. cellular so it's not a technology in. terms of the radio that's going to cause. cancer because it's really not a. different radio technology the radio the. physics of the radio don't change the. front end of the radio you still have to. have analog to digital and digital. analog converters and you still have to. raise R Radio energy that stuff is all. the. same what's difference is what's.

different is all the components that. makes that a network used to be all um. hardware and what 5G is is really. driving all of those components that. used to be um a specific piece of. equipment um design as particular way. that goes you know at the base of a. tower um and more equipment throughout. the the network. now that's all software components and. so what it does allow you to to run um.

particularly with a technology called. open ran or uh open radio Access Network. allow you to run that software on just a. regular server right so now it takes. away the kind of the the physical. properties of the network and puts it. all instantiates it all in software. that's the real evolution of 5G okay so. um so as we started you know in our. company we started to get into it like. okay if you can if you can take all that.

so all that Hardware that things used to. be spread out across the United States. and you could collapse it and it's all. code and code can be run on a on a on a. on a server then why are we why are we. creating vulnerability by spreading that. code out in different Geographic. locations why not put it all together so. that if something happens it's still. letter local and so the network can run. so that to me you know the real. foundational difference between 5G not. the radio it's the fact that the network.

itself is instantiated in software oh. good when to get into your. company. so if you're kind of thinking. about let's look at what happened to. Maui right okay big fire networks go. down cuz they cuz pieces Catch Fire you. know and and uh and you're not able to. make calls let's look at Hurricane. Katrina this is really where um even.

though I started looking at this at the. White House in. 2017 it was really 2005 when I'm at. Whitman Air Force Base you know flying. the B2 as a major and I look at. Hurricane Katrina and um and the. Louisiana National Guard we fly c17s to. Iraq to pick them up they're in combat. we pull them out of comat put them in. jets fly them back to New Orleans they. land and they get out on the ground.

they're like I don't see a difference in. where I just left right yep New Orleans. is a war zone within just a couple weeks. and and you and you see how fast Civil. Society can break down in the with the. absence of services like uh one of the. key things that brings us together is. Communications and um. and if you start to think about you know. um our networks as being things that.

weren't meant to survive natural. disaster like a hurricane like a fire. like in Nashville. here in um in it was two Christmases ago. somebody takes an RV right outside the. AT&T switching Center and what happens. yeah self service is down for. weeks single location so a highly. centralized system um and and this Tech. new technology is going from Hardware. that has to be placed you know like it.

is today to software and say okay well. if I can bring all this into a single. location I can create a much more. decentralized architecture okay right so. now instead of being able to hit one. place and shut down Tennessee and. surrounding. states I I can still do that because we. we have centralized architecture here. but if I can start to build you know. attached devices to all these um to all. these towers that are more decentralized. and hardened hardened against things.

like EMP and tamper and all the things. that you would want to do if I can do. that um then I can start to create a. network that survives all these things. that we're concerned about whether it be. natural natural disasters or physical or. cyber attacks and so you know that's. ultimately you know when I was at the. White. House we um I got introduced to um some. technology that we were using in DOD to. process radar data on aircraft very high.

performance compute very low swap low. size weight and power so small enough to. go on an aircraft but was really really. powerful computer and um at the time I. went to I went to one of the sen senior. technology leaders in DOD I said Hey. what if we take this and apply it to our. Telecom problem we've got this highly um. uh insecure open. vulnerable technology why don't we take. that and apply it to their and so some. of the things we were looking out there.

is like how can we can we crypt the data. without inducing any latency on the. network so super fast network no latency. can we encrypt the data decrypt the data. so basically begin to secure it that's. where it started when I was still in. uniform and then I just said okay here's. here's an opportunity for me to go out. in the private sector and do something. that's in line with my oath of office. but that is related to something I. really like which is technology and so. we took that as a starting point and. then began to build and think about how.

do we take a from a clean sheet of paper. how do we make resilient secure. infrastructure in the country and quite. frankly um the people that invested in. the. company over $30 million invested to. date to develop the technology didn't. know what I was talking about when I. when I said this um they mostly uh. invested on the basis of they trusted me. and they understood the problem the. least of the way I articulate it don't. know how it's going to work but we went.

we sent around uh set about to basically. solve that problem and that's what we've. done we in in in a little over five. years we've taken that idea and we've. created devices that you can insert into. the network that make it EMP hardened. the first commercial cellular equipment. ever to to be able to survive and. operate through an EMP and it's been. tested um by federal agencies in past um. the first commercial equipment that can.

detect if you tried to open it up cut a. hole in it right most of the stuff is as. you know military equipment this is. commercial gear that it the the the. thing will know if you try to open it up. you know however you try to do that um. that that deploys autonomously so the. the the other thing that I realize is if. we're going to we're going to make this. available to military people I don't. have time you don't have time to set up. Comm gear that that that often was the. most frustrating thing for me is I've.

got three or four different com systems. I got to put together and get running. and so one of the things that we U found. out about uh cell your equipment is very. complicated setup I can give you a um a. a radio and baseband unit and the core. and hand it to you and you could spend. the rest of your natural Bor life and. never get that thing to connect to a. device. because it is that complicated in terms. of the settings and everything else and. so there's an entire um there's an.

entire business in just building these. networks for the carriers that the oems. you know charge them for engineers after. Engineers after engineers and you're. like why is this so complicated well. that's how that's their business model. right it's very complicated okay so how. do we take that and this is really the. hardest thing that we had to do how do. we take this very complicated system and. make so you can plug it in and it just. works what does that sound like to you. it sounds like a Wi-Fi router that you. buy on Amazon right you cannot take sell.

your equipment today and plug it in like. a Wi-Fi router that doesn't work and. have it connect to and operate your. device can't do that so that's what we. did that was the hardest thing to do and. we finally finished that last year so. now we're starting to um take it. commercial and within a few weeks it'll. be available for anybody to buy and um. if you're sitting out somewhere and you. don't have a s a cellular signal. someplace you could it's it's it's. affordable enough that that you can.

likely um maybe get together with some. of your neighbors and put something up. that so that gives you cellular service. so now the the reason that we don't have. cellular service in rural communities or. underserved urban communities is because. the population density isn't such that. um that the cost justifies you know. investment in a very big tower which. costs millions of dollars and so making. that affordable making it easy to deploy. making it resilient making it secure you. know we did this for the military and we.

did it in partnership with the military. specifically the Air Force but now um. it's available and you know it's going. to kind of transform the way we grow the. network and the way we grow uh. capability so so this is going to be. this started with the military project. then it went to the carriers and now. it's going to go now it's going to be. available to Consumers it's going to be. available to you know it's not um our. business model is not yet um where I can. just sell service you know that's not. what we do we're an infrastructure.

company so we mostly um help other. companies provide this capability but we. are going to we are going to allow. people to to purchase it you know. directly so you know it's it's um that's. that's our model and and we think that's. the way to go because quite frankly um. people need agency and this you know if. you're sitting around you don't have. cellular service and oh by the way it. comes with the data center right because. you have to run the all that software so. by by Design you need a Data Center and.

so now you can start to create your own. mini Silicon Valley right in your own. backyard is is kind of like what we're. going to enable what is the cost of that. going to be well um let's just say it's. less than uh it's less than $55,000 a. month to deploy one of these things. somewhere and you will have cell service. you'll have self service and you have a. Data Center and you does that mean you. control all the data it means that you. can control all your data yeah you.

control the you can you'll be able to. control your infrastructure when is this. going to be. available within a we're we're actually. revamping our website right now so I. think probably four four to six weeks. four to six weeks yeah so when you say. you can control your data does that mean. I'm able to protect my data. from no y it's your data center. it's your.

network I'm getting. one that's what a lot of people have. told me they want and uh and so we've. been very working very hard so that's. what's coming out now at the end of this. year that thing is pretty big weighs. about 300 lb when it's fully kitted out. in order to get the um in order to be. able to um get the. um to get those prices you're going to. have to agree to you're going to keep it. powered on plugged in because uh we we.

want to allow other customers to come on. to it again with to protect their own. data and have privacy and um and so. that's our business model is to. basically have shared infrastructure but. instead of um having more of a public. network now you have a private Network. that you own so okay so now I'm really. interested in this so anybody so how far. is the range of this um with the. spectrum that we're using it can vary. but around three miles three miles yeah.

so you can have an entire neighborhood. invest into this right. yes can you control who can access it. yeah absolutely how do you do that well. so um you you know how a Wi-Fi network. works right you give the people the. username and password in this case you. got to give them a Sim right okay so we. allow you to basically create an eim and. then you that you can just send that eim. to a device that accepts an eim and boom.

you can have the you can have that. service so basically is this basically. you are your own car carrier you are. your own Verizon you are your own AT&T. for your little piece of the world yes. wow that's. uh wow very interesting but you know we. also want to enable um we have partners. that are um public carriers so they want. they want to grow their Network and they. want to provide um so if you are for.

instance you know a carrier customer and. um you partnered with us and you can't. it's kind of expensive to deploy your. infrastructure in places where you don't. have a lot of people this is a very. coste effective way to do it and then. all of a sudden hey we've got the most. coverage of any network in the world. right because you can do it we're you. know our goal is to partner not just. domestic carriers Global carriers so you. have this ability to kind of extend your. network um organically that's incredible. where do they where do people find this.

what's the website simper doai simper. simper is actually an acronym uh it. stands for secure EMP resistant Edge so. it's not a word it's an acronym um but. s. a is our website very very. interesting wow that's um that could. change. everything how long long has I've been. in the making over five years it it it. it is it is. hard to Heart EMP harden a commercial.

cellular network it's hard to create a. data center that can detect if somebody. um drills a hole in it or and there's a. lot of things that we had to develop in. order to be able to detect that it's. hard to get um servers to operate at the. extreme temperature ranges that cellular. equipment is designed to operate right. we they're typically in air condition um. air conditioned buildings it's hard to. then create the software that allows.

this thing to be completely. automated um and so that you don't need. to know anything about sell your. equipment you can just plug it in and. you know connect so these are all the. Technologies we had to to build in in. many ways it's it's it's almost like the. airplane that I flew right a very. complicated machine that has all of. these subsystems operating together to. make this thing it's not just so when. typically with a startup you're you're. creating a technology we created.

Technologies plural to come together in. a systems of systems to make this work. it's kind of like uh what Steve Jobs did. with the iPhone but we did it on the. infrastructure side. so uh consequently what we found out in. in testing our nodes we call them nodes. because I haven't figured out a way to. to to describe them other than that um. that you could go to Best Buy and get a. smartphone and that would be perfectly. fine survive and operate right through.

an EMP not even not even hiccup but it. couldn't connect anything because that. stuff was all taken out and so we we. took that same concept of a smartphone. and basically put all the software in a. hardened box and basically made it. connect to the device and now the the. next one that comes out and this this is. really what's exciting is it will go. from what it is right now which is 300. lb box to a. 15lb box the size of an Xbox same. capability so um and that's really the.

will be the kind of final instantiation. of what we tried to um what we tried to. create the other thing that that we did. um is the hold on is this is the thing. that's I think you said four to six. weeks is that the Xbox size no no that. that's going to come later in the in you. know towards the end of the year so will. that be more personalized and not same. thing just means that um so it turns out. that one of the big things that kills. cellular equipment is um flooding right.

it's on the ground gets flooded goes out. well our goal here is a single 4x8 solar. panel mounted on your roof connected to. this thing gives your cell your network. so even if your house is flooded with. water your internet's not going to go. out right and we can do this you know in. the same manner and so our goal is to. create highly resilient highly secure. decentralized architecture that supports. our existing kind of cellular networks.

by interoperating with them so you can. you can you can basically have um your. your cellular um. Service uh continue to pay for it the. way that you've always have or you can. have this very private secure service. you know it's they coexist and that's. really the secret of 5G it allows you to. do these things because it's all in. software would will the Xbox size one. that's coming out towards the end of the.

year will that be the same pricing as. the yes it will be y Although our goal. is really to drive the price down right. yeah and so how do you do that you do it. through volume right and so as we as we. ramp up to full full rate production we. want that price to we want you to be. able to acquire it um so because. ultimately the ability to have um. private secure um Communications is very.

important not just to the not to the. government but also to people so um so. that's our goal um but yeah so nobody. will be able to track what you're doing. if you have one of these you're not. you're no longer on a public network if. you're if you're using this damn you're. in a private. Network it's it's like you're on your. own Wi-Fi except instead of going to 100. feet to go. miles and then you can start to string. these things together and connect them. you know so you know one of the things.

that we've done is is enable them to um. be connected to starlink terminals so. one pops up over here one pops over up. over here they locate each other and now. you can make calls right so it doesn't. it it's not helpful when you starlink. terminal powered thing comes up over. here and one comes up over here they. have IP addresses that they can't. discover each other so we've made them. we've made a whole other network about. linking these things together so as soon. as they come online you can make a call.

you know so obviously the military. implications are you know unit brings it. up you need to be able to call that unit. so it needs to be able to they need to. be able to find each other really quick. that's that's part of the thing so you. can. create um you know a decentralized. architecture that supports again. supports the existing cellular networks. and is you know can act as an overlay or. an extension of them that's our goal. it's really so I think one of the things.

that um that it permits you to do is. create this hybrid where you have these. highly centralized um public networks. that are supported by decentralized. capability so now if you're a T-Mobile. customer or an AT&T Verizon customer and. this this node is connected to your. Tower and service goes down um like so. we were just doing a. demo of this capability for the Air. Force um with Northrup uh out at Whitman.

Air Force Base and while we're doing the. demo somebody cut the fiber to the. existing spa or existing uh based. cellular infrastructure right so. everybody's cell phone goes goes out but. ours keeps going right because we have. we haven't separated the brains of the. of the of the radio from the from the. radio itself it's all self-contained so. our stuff keeps right on trucking. doesn't ever stop and so when you think. about it from a military perspective you. can't have a I have a service disruption.

I'm loading bombs on aircraft I'm I'm. relying on this network to to be able to. do that stuff so it's a very resilient. it's made for the battlefield type. network but now you have access to it so. if everybody else goes down if you've. got one of these things nearby you're. going to be able to communicate and um. and really the space layer is how you're. going to be able to get outside the. local area so if somebody's cut the. fiber you know somebody however you were. connected before if you're connected via. space link then you can get out and you. go so the the the way that you know as I.

as we were developing this thinking. about it you know my every time I watch. a movie with my wife about some kind of. Armageddon you know movie where you know. Society collapses she's like in tears at. the end of the movie and she's like and. then I'm on Amazon buying a road atlas. because how are we going to communicate. with other kids so so intuitively you. start to recog and the federal. government spent a lot of money. hardening AM radio stations against. things like EMP but do you have an AM.

radio I don't have an AM radio I don't. really know many people that have am. radios and so we um and then we just did. a a nationwide alert on cell phones I. mean I do have an AM radio but wouldn't. it be destroyed if there was an EMP. anyways well if it's plugged into the. wall yes okay if it's not it would if if. it's if it's not if it's on battery you. know it may or may not survive depends. it depends on on which one you have um. the but the the stations themselves have. been have been hardened but the federal.

government paid to do that um but your. cell phone works just fine it just has. doesn't have anything to connect to and. tell us you know we we finally give you. something to basically make that. connection and then if you have an. ability to get outside you can not only. communicate locally you can call anybody. within range of that radio locally so if. your police forces are within range or. fire or medical. um you can do that or if you're not you. can use a space to get out and and make. more distant calls and and so but over.

time as you start to link all these. things together you start to grow this. resiliency and that's really our goal is. to really make um not just the. government um you know mission go and be. like as you know none of the stuff that. you use uh on your in your day-to-day. life works very well when you're on the. battlefield right it's the. infrastructure is not supportive of that. it's it's like LMR you know some kind of. radio that is only talks other radios.

like it what we wanted to create was an. environment where you could bring in all. these Technologies and Link them. together so that's one of the things. that we're that we're going to be doing. for things like First Responders. remember the the guy in. yaldi Chief of Police runs into the um. school shooting leaves his two-ray radio. in the car takes his smartphone well. because of the way we've designed these. we can start to bridge between those uh. those 5G Network radios and the LMR so.

that he that phone he'd be able to call. anybody on an. LMR and then you have agencies that are. on like one brand of like they may be on. Motorola and another one's on Harris and. they don't talk to each other so we can. bring them both into have them talk to. phones and talk to each other so it's. it's creating all these new capabilities. like for instance we're going to. demonstrate how you can make a a an LMR. call from one base to you know another. base so say like you know Whitman Air. Force Base has guys stationed out at.

Guam they're going to be able to make an. LMR call from Whitman Air Force Base to. Guam over the same architecture so it. gives you all of this flexibility that. um for the military but in reality what. we want to do is have a dual use. technology which supports the military. supports First Responders supports. medical and financial but also supports. the citizenry in terms of um in terms of. having resilient communication so then. if the government needs to send out a. nationwide alert hey we're getting ready.

to have an EMP attack standby for. further news like like New York City did. not too long ago and people are like. well how are you going to send me notice. my phone's not going to work now they. can say and your phone's going to work. just don't plug it in the wall if it's. plugged in the wall then that that zap's. going to go right into your phone so as. long as it's unplugged set it on a B. charger you're. fine. wow um so sorry like I said I'm super.

green with this technology so uh I have. a lot of questions but so do do what. carriers are can I ask what carriers are. you guys partnering with I I I can't I. can't publicly divulge that yet okay but. I what I can tell you is the things that. we are doing are going to shock the. industry let's just put it that way this. this a public company no it's it's still. still private Still Still uh actually. we're um still in fundraising mode and.

um and uh yeah it's been I can tell you. it's been the hardest thing I've ever. done in my life the it challenged me in. so many ways that my military career uh. never prepared me for so I'm sure I'm. sure I'm sure you you've seen had had. similar things in podcast you're. developing an entire 5G network but. but uh I mean if if you don't mind me. asking how much uh of an investment are. you guys needing uh so we're um.

currently we're raising $10. million um and that's really going to be. to to ramp up growth of the. company so when you when we're talking. about these protected networks that that. by the end of the year I'll be able to. put on my roof I mean is is that exactly. how protected am I is that they can't. tell my location they don't have my.

advertising ID all the stuff we talked. about yeah so so let's just go back to. what I was telling you about SDK data if. you if you basically log into Google and. Facebook and all your accounts and. you're um and you're allowing that data. to go to them then yeah you're going to. you know you're you're going to have. you're going to give away your stuff mhm. but um the other way that they can trct. you is through your M through your um. through identifying your mobile device.

through the. network um if you so that's another way. to basically track you is understanding. your MSY so now you control that in a. sense so it's going to be a lot harder. for them to to find that. okay wow that is. um a lot cooler than uh. I mean that's just that's amazing I've. uh one of the most Innovative things. I've heard of lately so well and I think.

people have um the reason this hasn't. been approached I think you know we is. is probably the re the the big reason. why we've struggled um to raise money uh. is because um it's complicated it's hard. and um it's it's hard for people to to. understand what we're talking about cuz. you you see all these people that are. advertising that they've created this. you know black phone yeah ultimately.

when you connect to a public. network you know it's very hard to then. maintain anonymity when somebody else. owns a network it's a lot easier if you. own the network so obviously um federal. government understands that but I think. the average person you know the idea. that you could own a piece of the. infrastructure has never really been. something that was possible prior to 5G. again software so you know it really. transformed the way that we can deploy. these networks and and make them.

available to to people if I had this on. my roof and I'm I mean can I call other. carriers yeah so I can call my friends. that are on Verizon cuz you know I would. imagine it's going to it's going to take. a minute for this to spread and uh it's. it's very expensive y you know I mean. it's it's um less than what I was is. anticipating but it's still I mean it's. it's going to be hard for the everyday. American to afford $5,000 yeah and I. think I think the um you know our you.

know as I said as we're shrinking it our. mind in our minds that um this idea that. you can't afford to build your own. infrastructure um we're going to we're. going to make it affordable um and it's. going to get it's going going to get. over time get more affordable and the. way that you can what you can use it for. so you think about your phone uh before. the Apple could create the the the um. App Store you had to get it enough hands. of enough people one of the problems in.

uh today in providing other types of. capabilities you know automation. robotics is really because we lack the. ability to to run those things um in in. a local uh location there's no. infrastructure to support that and um. and by themselves a single application. is not does not make that infrastructure. you know an in a worthwhile investment. in other words if I'm just going to run.

this algorithm that runs on on cameras. that you've put on your property for. example um it. doesn't the service is not going to pay. for that infrastructure it's not going. to be enough but if you have the. infrastructure now I can start to layer. these um services on top of it and. that's really our business it's really. about providing that infrastructure to. support all of these applications and. use cases in a secure way to um so that. they can actually be brought to.

Market wow very interesting I can't I. can't I can't wait to see this roll out. when when are whatever carriers you are. working with when are they going to. adopt this type of technology so I mean. it it's already been approved um by one. and now we're working on how do we um. how do we you know how do we price this. right um from their side like we we. already know but they have to they have. to figure out like what is this is not.

something the carriers do right what I'm. what I'm explaining is not something. that they would normally do and um and. the attractiveness for them obviously is. the government. customer um because the government needs. so I mean when you think about it what. are we doing we're bringing the. smartphone in. into the government customers so that. they can take advantage of the economies. of scale for the chipsets that run those.

things you know they're already hardened. you can drop in water you can throw them. around you can zap them with the MP they. take a beating and keep on going and get. start to get the military away from. having to use you know these you know. bespoke Technologies they don't like and. there aren't easy to use they're hard to. program they don't talk to each other. that's the worst problem and so we. wanted to give that capab how do you. give that capability to the military. well you have to make it resilient and. secure that's the bottom line and then.

they can start now you can go down to. Best Buy plug in your eim and now you've. got a now you've got a secure connection. with with other technologies that get. brought and so other partners for. instance allow us to do um classified. Communications on on this capability. it's not something we do but our. partners allow you to do that and now. all of a sudden you create this. capability that you can take on the. battle field and you can bring your. infrastructure with you and that's. really what the small um the small. backpackable one is put it in aircraft. put it in ship put it on the vehicle put.

it in your backpack and now you can take. your um cell network and data center. with you so that you can be completely. independent from um uh anything that's. going on and it's resilient and secure. as you need and oh by the way if you get. overrun somebody grabs it then they want. to exploit it they're going to they're. going to get nothing you know they're. going to get a brick because this. thing's been been designed to be lost in. the battlefield. wow wow man that's um I would I mean and. then there's I mean there's a there's a.

lot of fear about an EMP. attack power grid going down I'd like to. get into that with you here in a minute. with with what China's doing to our. power grid supposedly but I mean I'm I. would think all the carriers would and. the government would want to subsidize. us somehow and and I mean it's a it's an. EMP EMP proof Network right I think when. so there's a lot of misconceptions. number one the first one that we heard.

was why why don't I buy this the cell. phone won't survive no the smartphones. actually survive quite well at at least. every single one that we got out of Best. Buy and tested survived so that's not a. it it really is about the size it's. really about the shielding that's. already designed into them so they're. already so that's not an argument the. other argument is my God this is going. to cost millions and millions of dollars. no it's not in fact you know we just had. we just had a meeting with one uh with.

one government representative and they. almost came out of their chair when we. told them how much it was going to cost. because they're told that you know it's. like the the old uh adage of the. goldplated toilet seat you know this. thing's going to be you know lots and. lots of money no it's not it it it's. it's really and we've designed it to be. commercial infrastructure so anybody can. buy it and because we feel strongly I. mean this company this Seer believes in. the Constitution it believes in our. Republic it believes the principles and. values of you know our independent.

citizenry and what believes in the need. for communications as a. life-saving key component of a. functioning society and so you know. we're on a mission and um and I think it. does shock people a little bit when and. the implications are so our our hardest. our hardest problem I would say as. company is people just not believing. that we've done it you know that we've. built this thing and then they see it. and they're. like.

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utmost like the most possible privacy. you can get how I mean I had mentioned. would you run a slick phone no apps just. calls and texts right so I mean we um in. as as you're starting to think about the. architecture um invariably what you're. what you're what you're creating is a. local database right it's a local data. center and um and the vulnerability in.

your device is based on the fact that. you have data on your device you have. apps that run on your device so like. when I was living in China you know. somebody gets my device they plug. something into it and they pull the data. down right and so what you don't want to. have is data on your device that. somebody can hack and. then because the device gets hacked then. the data is vulnerable and. so in our architecture we felt that no. data on the device is the most secure. and so you know the the next iteration.

of what we will do is create this. ability to have. essentially um a visual representation. of your uh of your apps on your device. but no actual processing or storage. right so you push a button and it opens. an app in the node not on your phone so. there's no data stored on your phone. ever. um there's no there's no uh sof there's. very little software running on your. device so that you know somebody so if. you just and therefore the device itself.

is not very expensive right it's most of. it goes in is all that processing power. that's in it so we get rid of that get. that off the device so now you just. throw it away you know if you know if. something happens and you know somebody. tries to get it I'm going to exploit. your device no you can't do that it's uh. and so you think about from a. battlefield perspective if you're. walking around your smartphone and. you're fighting and you lose it you. don't want that thing to get exploited.

and so in addition to having a um a. tamperproof um you know autonomous data. center that that zeroize itself and can. destroy subcomponents if needed um you. want to have it tied to a device that. you're using that doesn't have any data. on it and so somebody picks it up they. don't get anything and that's so we. really believe that's the the um the. most secure architecture for you know uh. doing things the other thing that we did. that's um unique about us is we actually.

have we run two. networks um in any network there's U. What's called the control plane and the. data plane the data plane is kind of. where all your uh interactions happen. you know when you're on a um when you're. on a video call that's all happening on. the data plane setting up that call. controlling the network you know. um you know anything that's going on in. terms of command and control of your. network that's the control plane so.

we've basically SE physically separated. those two that's part of our. architecture so the data plane can be. encrypted but in the control plane um. the problem today on on networks is that. the control plane and data plane run on. the same path so if you're running. through uh overseas you're running. through whatever whoever equipment which. you have you they have the ability to. basically interfere with that control. plane the opportunity we take that we. put it in space we we take that ability. to to have access to the control plane.

out in our node so um that goes One path. it's not latency sensitive meaning like. when you're making a call when you dial. all this call setup that's all your. control plane once it gets connected. it's data plane so the goal here is to. really create this very very SEC secure. hardened decentralized Network that you. know. um. so the best analogy to kind of the way.

that we operationalize this is is how we. protect nuclear weapons in nuclear. weapons we have something called nuclear. shity and that means that um from the in. terms of personnel the material and the. procedures we make sure that uh nuclear. weapons are safe secure and reliable. well that's just Concepts right in terms. of personnel we want to make sure that. anybody that touches a weapon has been. vetted um in terms of material we want.

to make sure that the that the air that. the weapons are fail safe in other words. they can only they have to be authorized. for use by the proper. authorizer and then in procedures we. want to make sure that um that uh two. people are you know author doing the. authorizing right so so these are pretty. these are principles we adopted into our. company so you want to make do a. software update okay it's got to take. two people knowledgeable of the cat. tasks one to approve first approve and.

the second one to you know approve that. approval and we think that's so when you. look at our history working with nuclear. weapons never been a detonation and. we've D we've had air airplane crashes. where uh airplanes have fallen from you. know 30,000 ft weapons have fallen out. and have not detonated so we've had. accidents we've had you know uh spills. we had a we had a silo blow up um where.

the the capsule went up and and landed. somewhere that didn't go off so we. designed very safe weapons and then we. applied these these um these principles. to how we operated to make them safe. secure and reliable so we said okay if. if you want to think of a way to design. something that is similar for what we. believe to be the most dangerous weapon. on the planet which is not nuclear. weapons but the things that Tick Tock.

enables and that's really your data so. you think of you know highly enrich. uranium plutonium as kind of the the. fuel of that nuclear weapon we think of. data as a fuel of artificial. intelligence which many would argue is. is the most dangerous thing on the. planet for humans and so we just took. the same principles for how we make. nuclear weapons saf secure and reliable. and apply that to data and how we design. these things and so it that's the way. that so everything that we think about.

is how do we ensure that only the person. that um has access to that data and has. it a reason to use it has is the is a. person that's able to use it so you know. just like I think Apple did you know in. fighting the FBI and saying hey I'm not. going to design a device that you can. break into now people have broken into. it it's because um. an iPhone wasn't made tamperproof right. it was made it was made encrypted but it. wasn't made tamperproof we made our. nodes tamperproof so if you try to break.

into it you're not going to get anything. but if they did that's kind of the way. that we that's an approach that we took. to the infrastructure side of things and. then and then by taking a device and. making it you know not have any data. storage on it and then having these very. secure nodes that communicate to each. other via encryption so makes a very. secure platform form for um for. protecting your data so how far could. the device once this rolls out how far. can the device be from the from the unit. or the node um well it depends on the.

power and the depends on the frequency. but you know I think a good a. good you know 1 to three to five. depending on the frequency and the power. that you put out miles okay right we're. not talking we're not talking Wi-Fi. distances we're talking we're talking um. we're talking you know long distances. okay man. very Innovative and exciting stuff uh I.

wasn't expecting um that much so really. really neat but um moving forward I want. to get back into China a little bit. there's a lot of fear about the power. grid and the EMP threat uh I've had a. couple of gentlemen on to discuss how. China has infiltrated the. power grid system how we're not checking. our our Transformers and. and I want to I want your opinion on how.

I mean how vulnerable are we in our in. our power grid system I mean extremely. we don't do the we don't do the high. power Transformers we don't build those. very few of them maybe 12% maybe now. certainly less than 25% of them are are. are not built in the United States um. they take two to three years to build. like the high power. Transformers um and most of them are. built in China and so obviously that's a. vulnerability um U because it take so.

long to be built for example if you're a. if you're frying them you're not you're. not getting that high power transformer. back in less than years right so you're. talking about if you have a significant. event you're not down where you know. here if we have you're you're familiar. with a storm where the power goes out. and they Rush Equipment that's not what. we're talking about here we're talking. about a. wholesale um uh disruption that lasts.

not days not weeks not months but years. because of how long it takes to build. these things the other thing that you. found out um that you find find out is. that it used to be uh when the grid went. down when you as you start to bring the. grid back up you have to balance the. loads um on separate parts of the grid. so it so it can come up and it used to. be that Engineers would get.

walkie-talkies and then they would. communicate with each other and they. would manually adjust at each of these. locations so that and they would work to. get the grid to come back up so what. they did um is automate all that right. and so this the skill of using walkie. talkies and manually adjusting the Grid. it's no longer skill that anybody's. taught and so uh we're we're depending. on the networks to be up and operating. running software that that automatically. balances the grid so if you use a grid.

and you lose a network you basically you. can't bring it back up right you got to. get that Network back up that software. operating before you can start to think. it back get it back up and so that's. another one and then of course um as. we've seen uh recently with. um uh I think it's it's bolt. hurricane um. that the Chinese are planting malware in. things like Cisco routers that's waiting. for you know an opportunity to to.

infiltrate um you know uh ska systems. which control things like the grid and. that's going to be a problem for us so I. mean we're we're I think the thing is. and this is all from a kind of taking a. p taking a view of National Security and. saying what's more important and I think. we um we began to think that fighting. abroad and spending money on fighting. abroad is more important than spending. money here at home to make our society. resilient and safe so that they could.

take a an. attack uh and continue to operate um and. this is you know when I when I go back. to that time in 2005 when Hurricane. Katrina happened I saw this was going on. I'm like okay um what if this happens. Nationwide and there's a book one second. after I think people have read about you. know an EMP over the United. States and and then and the threat's.

real and it's not just China or Russia. that have you know a lot of nuclear. weapons it's it's a country with one. nuclear weapon like North Korea that can. be a threat um so that creates an. enormous vulnerability for the society. and you know obviously we can't do. anything about that um we're we're. focused on Communications but I do think. that if you lose a grid but you're still. able to communicate you can reassure the. population you you can start to um you. can start to um create centers like for.

instance when we deploy node we deploy. an EMP hardened generator so if you do. lose power you know if EMP does happen. the generator will continue to keep you. going and so I think one of the things. that people have used for resiliance for. electricity have been these concept of. micro grids right so you have smaller. smaller capability a lot of people have. solar in their homes and and generators. so to the extent that that survives then. you start to create and and you have and. you can communicate then you can start.

to bring back some semblance of Civil. Society where people are more kind of. self- sustaining and they can they can. begin to work together and I think the. the biggest thing um if you lose the. power grid is be if you're able to still. communicate government's still able to. um provide. reassurance and hear distress calls. right so they need to be able to respond. to distress calls whether it be First. Responders or medical um and you can. make a a financial transaction which we.

would enable with our nodes then you can. start to you can keep things going and. that's what our that's really the. concept here is that um it would it. would yeah it would be huge. inconvenience but um at the same time I. think we could keep we could keep if. this Society was um uh able to kind of. do some of the things that they're able. to do now and you're able to uh keep. communication going then you would be. able to prevent a lot of that mass.

hysteria and and things from happening. but there is no doubt that um the grid. uh is vulnerable um our water systems. are vulnerable there's just a report. that just came out about um hacking of. Water Systems we've seen people get in. there and like change the the the. different uh chemicals that are going in. we saw that in Florida people were. shooting up substations I mean and then. you've had then you have the Border. issues like who who is here what are. they doing all the Chinese Nationals. which I said are highly uh highly loyal.

to the Chinese Communist party so. there's a lot of things that I think. we've kind of taken our eyes off the. ball and just in terms of making our own. Society. safe you know even for myself you know. being a B2 pilot and having this most. powerful weapon system in the world that. carries nuclear weapons and just. recognizing that my is completely. vulnerable like who's going to take care. of them if if we if we have all that war. you know when I when I go you when I. when I used to go fly missions you know.

who's going to who's going to do that. for us you know that's that's the thing. where I think we've just. completely we lost track of what's. important um as a nation in terms of. National Security yeah it's it's it's uh. I mean on a scale of 1 to five How. concerned are you about our power grid. oh six that bad yeah I mean is it. literally as easy as just flipping a. switch Yeah if if you've planted malware. yes it's as easy as flipping switch and. that's kind of the point you know and.

what I recognize you know like Kosovo. you we're taking out Communications uh. links with 2,000lb weapons from the B2. you weren't going to stop us if we want. to take out a car Target we're going to. take it out um but then I realized you. know the there's a whole other way and. just own it either you build the techn. ol for it or you actually Pro the. service provider which the Chinese have. bought a bunch of grids around the world. that they. operate turn it off you know what's the.

you know it's it's just kind of how it. it it for me it crystallize that the. things that I was doing I mean I could. do I could be the best of the. best um and that was my commitment when. I was in uniform to be the best of the. best. at um at at doing you know fulfilling my. oath you know to support and defend the. Constitution I can be the best of the. best I could go across the world drop.

weapons no problem anywhere that need. that that that the president needed the. the weapons dropped and then realizing. that you know at any second somebody. could turn the lights off and any and. every single day the Chinese Communist. party was doing its damnedest to to. convert my kids to Communism you know. slowly but surely and that and our. system was was failing in that way and. so it it just really kind of brought. home to me that um we we need to take a. step back as society and understand.

what's important understand how we're um. vulnerable and then begin to shore those. things up it's not just the border. border it's not just our infrastructure. it's how our our entire socioeconomic. system is vulnerable because we we kind. of I think after when we won the Cold. War we we assumed that we were safe from. everything and and what instead of that. being true what was true was that no. there's still people that Har Harbor ill.

will to the Constitution to our federal. republic and now they were just going to. just going to pursue that and then. pursue it with us helping them and. that's that's I think the the part that. we we completely lost it is one thing. for church Churchill came here um after. World War II to um and it was right. outside St Louis he gave this thing. called the Iron Curtain Speech he was. Iron Curtain descending over. Europe and he was he was he was uh.

writing back and forth the Truman when. he was u u when he was coming to the. United States saying talking about the. speech that he's going to give and I. think there was a sense of the threat. that the Soviet Union could pose to um. to our way of life then um by people. like Churchill and Truman and Eisenhower. um and and I think once that went away. once at the end of the Cold War I think. we just. assumed that our way of life was the way.

of life that everybody wanted well no. there's others that have a different. point of view and that have waited and. and planned and plotted and worked. together with us seemingly in Friendship. but in reality to um to get to the point. where they can they can begin to turn. the tide and so um I guess you you could. say the Cold War never ended or we're in. the middle of Cold War number two but. either way um I think as opposed to. where we were during the first Cold War.

which was at end of the World War II we. are the only ones with an industrial. base and so we had to rebuild Europe. that's that was the Marshall Plan we. rebuilt their economies we rebuilt their. uh industrial base in in conjunction. with that we um we helped them uh build. their Civil Society institutions. and uh and now we find oursel in this. second Cold War and China owns the. industrial base China has a belt and. Road initiative and China is building.

the world in its image and we don't own. the industrial base in fact you know our. drugs come from China or micro. Electronics come from literally. everything comes from China and and and. and and yet we're not we don't have a. sense for whatever reason I don't. understand how vulnerable we really are. as a nation. I. mean why do you think they haven't made. a why haven't they struck yet so I the. reason um so there's a.

couple uh during the first year of the. Trump Administration Leo ha who was the. chief economic adviser to XI Jin ping. and Ambassador lighthous or who was the. um us trade representative negotiated a. trade deal right and um this kind of. gets to the to to the president Trump's. comment about bringing Chinese uh auto. manufacturing plants here so the same. problem was going on um with Japan in.

the 80s and 90s right and you know our. us trade representative went over and. negotiated with their economic person. and they created a deal that really was. more. um uh was more bilaterally um healthy. for both sides right so Japan kicking. our ass we go back we go there and then. a lot of those trade deals uh trade. agreements and relationships were made. on the basis of we have the only. industrial base we're going to give you.

an industrial base but we want you to be. a democracy so that you know we can make. the world safer for uh for um for. democracies um and so Japan was a. democracy we're a democracy we go to. Japan and say hey this can't this is not. sustainable you can't keep just. basically um rating so have to create a. more Equitable trade Arrangement around. um manufacturing and the Japanese as. oppos as opposed to what happened in. China and I'll tell you here in a second.

what happened they said okay and so we. have a great trading relationship with. Japan but that's on the basis of we both. agree that you know kind of this. democracy thing is important well so in. 2017 uh that's Ambassador lighthous in. fact before that it was early. 2017 um when um when I was still in. Beijing as a defense atache and I had. just been hired to go to the White House.

I asked to speak to leoa personally and. um and he declined and he sent his. assistant to talk to me and I said look. I said here's what's coming you guys. have been doing this thing for a long. time and there's going to be a reset in. the in in the trading. relationship and if you do do not reset. there's going to be a break and that's. not going to be good for you right. because the reason you're successful is. because you get our technology talent.

and capital um but that is on the basis. of a shared beneficial relationship. which we clearly do not have and so um. after I had already left you know I I. got message back from the embassy that. hey you know Leo had apologized cuz he. didn't meet with me because he didn't. realize I was going to the White House. so anyway we go back there we go back to. the White house and when I was at the. Joint staff we had been working on this. problem as I worked for first Dempsey. then Dumford and um you know advising.

them on China and then we started to you. know see these things and so we um I. work with the vice chairman of the Joint. Chiefs who worked with the chief staff. of the Air Force and we created an. office called the office of commercial. and economic analysis and that office um. as I got back to the White House I. reached into the office I said hey can. you provide help. to the US trade representative who was. bringing this section 301 agreement or. or. investigation and so they did and so. they uh so and if you read the section.

301 investigation it tells you you know. line and verse of what the Chinese are. doing to our economy right and it comes. from so they went out and they um. interviewed business people and all the. it's all there and so that's on the. basis of. that you know Li heer created the. tariffs right um the same time this was. going on liser and Lea started. negotiating a trade deal right so it's.

now we're kind of doing the same thing. that the US was doing with Japan back in. the 80s and 90s and they negotiate this. trade deal and it's about 150 pages and. so leoa US ambassador liser you know. shook hands and uh we think that we've. basically kind of saved the relationship. well leoh hug goes back home goes to. xiin ping xiin ping basically tears up. the. agreement right that's when it says.

we're going to have a phase one and a. phase. two now he just tears up the agreement. at that point china was basically saying. we're preparing for. war we are not we are not going to have. a mutually beneficial trading. relationship with. you uh knowing that they the ter were. going to. come and so at that point there we have. we have started to we had started. separated so that was that was late 2017. and that's just been going on ever since.

and that's where we're at right now with. regard to um with regard to trade uh and. the economic and the financial. relationship meanwhile they're being. much more controlling over their own. companies with regard to allowing them. to take investment from Wall Street so. there's a separation coming and that. separation is not done because we. recognize the threat to us so much as. the Chinese Communist Party recognized. that um their ability to convince us to.

keep doing this had come to an end okay. so why aren't they attacking why haven't. they been attacking Taiwan prior they. hadn't been attacking Taiwan prior. because they wanted the technology. talent and capital from us to drive. their economy and they knew that same. thing that happened to. Russia when they invaded Ukraine we cut. them off financially that going to do. the same thing the Chinese except the. Chinese have been preparing for this so. the belt and Road initiative um last. April they brought in Bankers from. around the world say okay uh I want you.

to emulate the sanctions that the United. States put on Russia as invasion of. Ukraine and tell us how we um how we get. out from under that right so um and. there are. historical um approximations of what I'm. telling you uh good book called the uh. is is um the the Memoirs of Ambassador. um oh ambassador morgantha he's the he's. a tur he's a US ambassador to.

Turkey uh prior to and at the start of. World War. I and he's friends with the German. ambassador so the German ambassador. confides in them in this in this Memoir. it's a very small book High highly I. think highly recommend people read it. and he tells Ambassador morgantha yeah. you know this is after the war starts. prior to the war the Kaiser called us. all back and we had a we had um a. meeting and they went around the you had. the generals and the bankers and.

everybody around the room and the Kaiser. like are we ready for war are we ready. for war you got the bankers and the. bankers said no we need to liquidate our. assets we need to separate separate. ourselves so that when that happens we. don't you know there's going to be a a. fall in the stock market we're going to. lose our value we want to we want to. sell those assets and then go to war so. so what the Chinese have been doing. systematically since that trade. agreement was torn up is basically in. securing themselves from any kind of. economic or financial harm meanwhile um.

so you can have all the money in the. world but if you don't produce your own. drugs you've got a problem so right so. they've got the supply chain now they're. separating themselves economically and. financially and now the the reasons that. um that war has been prevented which. were all kind of voluntary on the part. of China because they wanted to get our. technology talent and capital are gone. right they're mostly gone okay so what's.

stopping them from from from attacking. Taiwan it's not um as we like to say in. the military it's not because we're much. better because they have much more. weapons like way more weapons they they. can they have the ability to take all of. our space stuff down right now if they. take our our space stuff down we're. completely blind in the region right we. depend on Space they don't depend on. Space well we can take all their space. assets down they're in the region it's. their backyard they can see they can.

hear so um so we're vulnerable there and. then the just a massive amount of. weapons just it's it's overwhelming so. you know we're we're in a in a bad place. and the the only thing that was keeping. us from actually going to war where the. Chinese thought that they could get. technology talent and capital L us now. that they know that they can't and. they're getting less and less less and. less money is being invested in China. from from America and other Western. countries then that motivation to not go.

to war is no longer there that's so this. that that's what is happening you know. so we're getting closer and closer to. war and it'll happen it'll happen on at. a timeline I believe when the United. States is. distracted likely from some other you. know I could be Cuba could be North. Korea could be I we've already got Hamas. and Israel and we've got Russia Ukraine. so we're already kind of distracted I. think it's going to be you know and in.

being distracted is not just it's just. not that our attention is not focused. there like sencom has forces right ukom. has. forces you know so those forces that. would be there in. indopacom to be ready they're just not. there cuz we don't have. them. man it seems it seems to me like they've.

got us from pretty much every angle. Checkmate Checkmate so I mean what what. what do we have what do we have. remaining well. um you know we have each other and we. have our. Constitution and um I think. you know we're it's going to I I I feel. like they we're in for some hard times. as a country and um I think if we stay. stay true to our principles and values I.

don't think we're going to lose I don't. think the Chinese are going to occupy us. they're going to cause a lot of chaos. but as long as we keep our heads and we. rebuild I think we can we can get. through it um it's only if we if we. allow kind of what's been going on here. which is this terrible um hyper partis. ship which by the way they're feeding. because they they benefit from it and um. it's it's it's by valuing the principles. that um I think the founding fathers I.

think they were right they looked at. nearly every other society that been in. existence in human uh with with. humankind up until that point and I. think they they came up with a pretty. good one now they weren't sure it was. going to work but it has for 240 plus. years but what they couldn't anticipate. is the internet and I think that's a. part that we have to figure out a way to. um to be able to cut through what is a. very. powerful um controller of the narrative.

and I. I remember I told you that confucious. actually has a has a really good lesson. in his analyics about the power of the. narrative when he's asked what's the. first thing you'll do as if you were. emperor when he says I would rectify the. names and what he means is what you say. is what you think and if I can if I can. get you uh to say something you'll think. that way and that's really essentially. what we're talking about here right if I. can control the way way you speak then I.

can control the way you think and I can. start to create the type of society that. has a patina of of Free Speech but in. reality um people are watching what they. say and they're they're guarding. themselves because they can be cancelled. or demonetized or whatever this is the. power of the First Amendment right this. was why the founding fathers did it and. uh and I think it was so brilliant um uh. when you when you take a step back but.

again there's no. internet man it's uh scary. times it is very scary times you don't. think they're going to occupy. us I I I don't think they could right I. think I think that's where where. um I think they can occupy our minds. they can occupy our hearts and they. already partly partially do but.

um the I think there's something still. you. know as Americans that we share is just. I think there's still a spark of that in. us and that is. um we we do not go down without a fight. and even Even in our um Even in our. original kind of founding of the country. it wasn't everybody that fought it's. only a portion in fact I kind of a shame.

to say one of my direct ancestors was on. the other. side um and so there were and the. majority of people I think were on the. other side quite frankly in the country. which is kind of what you the feeling. you get here but I I do think that there. will be enough people that just will. resist that um obviously we have the. military and and and they're there to um. defend the country but um I don't think. that they the Chinese could successfully.

occupy the country I do think that if. this thing had if if they if we hadn't. had that agreement where it it just kind. of caused a fracture in 2017 where the. Chinese decided hey um we we can't do. this and and we're going to prepare for. war I think at that point if we would. have kept going. I think they can occupy our hearts and. Minds using this this this system that. that we created this Global globalized. Financial trade and internet controlled.

system that um that is very tightly. linked together and which allows for. Global narrative to kind of establish. and perpetuate itself I think that is. that is what's terrifying as we become. more fragmented and more um. decentralized then I think we and more. local I think local is hugely. important you know um local resiliency. communities um that you know the.

community understands the Constitution. and and and is supportive of it I think. we have that you know still within our. um within within our midst and so. whatever happens I think we can still. kind of recreate those conditions at. least I'm hopeful we can I mean one of. the things one of the cool things that I. think people don't recognize is when you. go and live abroad like when went to. live in China um it was very easy to. find a to see a foreigner in China right. and you you know you if you didn't look. like that if you didn't speak like that.

boom and our kids would be they were uh. young and blond and people would crowd. around us um but America you come here. you've got all of these different races. and all of these different. backgrounds and for the most part prior. to kind of all all these people that. have come across the southern border. recently for the most part they all came. here for similar reasons right they were. escaping oppression or whatever they. wanted. opportunity and um nearly every um.

nearly every um friend I've ever had. that whose family is like like first. generation and they're they were born. here and raised here their F family. teaches them very strong support of the. country and the Constitution it's just. kind of in grained in them and I think I. think you know as I was saying I think. that's part of our how our society. continues to renew itself we have. immigrants that come in that appreciate. they come from um or at least did come.

from. disadvantage um they come in they they. adopt our society they adopt our. language they adopt these principles and. values that you know our founding. fathers believe were Universal because. they weren't all you know of the same. type I mean Alexander Hamilton was. different than than you know um. you know somebody else that was in the. leadership there so there were different. different backgrounds but really. believed in kind of some fundamental. human. rights those people that come in which.

you know form the Bedrock of our working. class I think are the ones that then. their kids go to school and become part. of the white collar uh White Collar. class I think that's how we renew as a. society constantly and that's the thing. that's the thing that's magical about us. you know we're all tied together by this. single document that you can read you. can carry around in your pocket and. everybody understands everybody knows um. what it means I think that's hard to. break if we if we stay true to it um but.

when it's all connected it's all. centralized it's all it's all kind of. fed to you and you're not willing to ask. questions about what's fed to you then. yeah that's easy I I've seen it that's. easy to break us down divide us make us. hate each other and that's exactly what. that's exactly what I see going on are. you concerned about the collapse of the. US dollar with. bricks um I am not concerned about the. collapse of the US dollar in terms of. there would be a um a competing currency.

for the US dollar and the reason. is because the um it's not just our. economy it's really the strength of our. society at least right now so if we as. long as the United States continues to. be the United States the dollar will. continue to be um uh the the method of. um kind of the the the back stop of all. trade uh the Chinese Yuan would never do.

that right that they're the second. biggest economy that's kind of a Europe. can't do that because they're not really. uh a federal republic like we are right. so we have a single monetary system they. have a single monetary system but they. also have different countries under that. single monetary system which have their. own unique cultures and societies we. have you know a fairly homogeneous. culture and Society although there are. differences between the states but. ultimately um there's no place like the.

United States for a currency so nobody. would so first of all in order for the. Chinese Yuan to become a reserved. currency they would have to allow the. Yuan to float right they would have to. allow it to be free freely traded today. the only entity in the world that can. exchange the Chinese yuan is a People's. Bank of China right so anybody can. freely trade the dollar right and the. dollar has value in so much as the.

United States continues to exist as a. Sovereign Nation so I think the at least. the way the world is organized today I. don't see a single entity that would. come up in ch now if China was all of a. sudden to come become a. democracy um and Yuan was to float then. yeah I think you could see the Yuan be. the uh be the Curren the resered. currency but not in the current. instantiation and the and the euro is. not going to do it either right it.

requires I think um a a um a. somewhat cohesive Society supporting. that currency that that really makes it. attractive for I mean it's it's. ultimately to trust the United States as. an institution to survive and. thrive uh more so than it is you know. the power of China's economy. um and the reason the Chinese won't. allow the um the Yuan to float because.

as soon as you allow the Yuan to float. then they can have a run on their Banks. right so what what do we got now we got. a bunch of money invested in China that. everybody's trying to figure out how to. pull out and the Chinese don't let it. they don't let it come out and so so the. economy in China tanks if they're if. there if thean was free and this is why. they didn't do it by the way this is one. of the things they did in fact in. unrestricted Warfare they talk about um. their one of their biggest terrorists.

are um are George Soros right because he. they say he orchestrated the Asian. Financial uh Asian currency collapse and. therefore he's a financial terrorist and. so one of the things that they wanted to. make sure is that that couldn't happen. to them right you can't have a run on. their Banks because they weren't going. to allow their currency now the mistake. that we made and I don't still don't. understand why is that we allowed that. to be freely you know part of the imf's. basket of currencies right why it's not.

freely tradable it's there's literally. no other country on Earth that had. that's part of the the the International. Exchange and had and there you can't. freely trade their currency that's. ridiculous that we would have allowed. that but we did and so so I don't. believe any of these things you know if. the United States will cease to exist. functionally exist as a politically. independent Sovereign entity prior to. the dollar you know people going off the.

dollar as a reserve currency now there's. other problems that that come because. we're we have the dollar as a reserve. currency one of them is um if you have a. strong dollar it's hard to trade. American Goods. abroad so we actually pay a penalty in. terms of manufacturing and that's why. you know it's incumbent upon us to have. a policy an industrial policy that. allows that compensates for that because. otherwise all the manufacturing is going.

to leave the United States which it for. the most part has done and so we have to. basically compensate for that um because. having a strong dollar is not conducive. to a good trading um uh regime for you. and the other one obviously is um we. can't just keep. printing money to pay the debt I think. getting our fiscal house in order um no. there was one caveat to that and the. caveat is if your GDP G if if your GDP.

year-over-year is growing faster than. you're printing than than you're. accumulating debt then you're able to. absorb it and your interest rates are. low right so as your interest rates rise. and your GDP is not uh not growing fast. enough you know and and this is what's. happening now now is your the payments. on the debt become more than you're. actually spending in the federal budget. and I think they've already gone past. what the what the uh DOD annual budget.

is right so we're paying more I think. right now and somebody has to check this. um on the annual debt because of the. recent rise in interest rates because of. we we printed all this money due to co. then we're paying for National Security. in the United States which is crazy if. you think about it but that's the that's. where but if our economy is growing. faster than than that debt is growing. then we can sustain that you know almost. indefinitely but obviously there's going. to be a time when that when that comes.

down so I think that's we we've kind of. what we did is we lived off the fat that. we had so during the Cold War we were. organized right we were structured right. we were postured right from a strategic. perspective and we and um and that. gained us all kinds of of advantages uh. in the world and I think we just kind of. just threw the you know it's like it's. like. um you know you work out and you eat. healthy and you rest and everything and.

all of a sudden one day you come home. and like I'm going to drink and I'm. going to smoke and I'm going to stop. working out and and that's what the. United States did after the end of the. Cold War like hey I don't have to do it. anymore and and and that's now the the. bill is going to come come do but I. think you know as we start to U rebuild. our manufacturing as we start to rebuild. our infrastructure as we start to make. oursel more resilient and secure from. outside attack that will have a KnockOn. effect when we went to China originally.

there and China entered the WTO their. economy was hugely hugely um under under. um utilized right so they had all this. latent labor and productivity that as. soon as you threw some technology talent. and capital and it's like a fire it it. blew up well since the end of the Cold. War we've basically accumulated the same. what I would call latent uh productivity. because we haven't really been investing. here in the United States and I do. believe as we start to invest in.

infrastructure and Manufacturing and we. start to stop sending technology talent. and capital in China and we start to. invest in our own communities that. you're going to see this latent. productivity really take off right and. so I think that's the part that um and. as a consequence you're also going to. see a strengthening of the working class. a more um they're going it's going to be. more healthy for them they're going to. be more hopeful not hopeless and I think. you're going to start to see a lot of. the things that that um this uh hyper.

partisanship kind of begin to decline so. you know I am optimistic of the future. but it requires us to actually look. inward it requires us to invest in our. own people invest in our own Society. invest in our own communities not invest. everywhere else we've done that for 30. years we need to invest here and our. people you know during the Cold War we. were sending people to college on free. scholarships and they were called. education for National Security right we. want you to become a scientist or an.

engineer stuff like that these are. things that we were doing in the Cold. War we built the national highway system. you know we we poured money into Science. and Technology 2% of GDP the space rates. all these things we took advantage of. for the last 30 years that we're going. to have to start we're going to have to. rebuild now. I hope that starts happening soon it'd. be real nice to see the government. invest into our own country again and. uh man it's just.

uh I hope you're right gives me some. positivity that you're thinking that way. well I pray right I pray I pray every. day that that's what's going to happen I. have to have faith if you don't have. faith I you know I don't know what. you what you do because it is it is. we're in a very bad spot we're in very. bad but we've been we've been in bad. spots before but it does require that we. that we that we look inward we have to. look Inward and we have to we have to. question the things that we're doing and. we have to and there is nothing wrong.

with any American standing up and say. this doesn't smell right yeah and he. that person should be. celebrated if they question the. government why are you doing. this and and then you know then somebody. comes knocks on their door and you know. starts investig that's not okay yeah. that's the kind of stuff that's going on. that I think you know is really really. bad for our society yeah we we want to. encourage. descent I'm with you 100% but uh well.

General I just uh what an honor to have. you sitting here and uh very informative. interview and uh and um man I appreciate. it I wish you the best of luck and uh I. hope to see you again thank. [Music].

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