Dr. Michael Bagnell - Neurologist Unlocks Human Brain / Tips to Improve Mental Health | SRS #59

how many of you have gone to the doctor. and you get a physical. or you know something's wrong. and nobody seems to be able to figure it. out nobody seems to have the time to. figure it out or you go to the doctor. and you get your blood work. and this is what you get. good to go. let me tell you this you might not be. good to go. doctors are getting lazy. and so I want to tell you guys about. functional medicine so functional.

medicine. are. doctors. who actually care about your health and. they're going to go the extra mile. to make sure you're healthy and educate. you on what you should be doing to leave. lead excuse me a healthier lifestyle. so I brought on a functional neurologist. super informative episode. the dock is a.

just a remarkable human being. it was an awesome interview he goes over. all kinds of stuff in the brain the. anatomy of the brain things that will. help you prevent. Alzheimer's dementia lots of brain. health stuff super informative episode. and um. he cares he's a functional neurologist. he even he came into the studio. and actually mapped my brain talks about.

my TBI it's fascinating stuff I hope you. all enjoy it ladies and gentlemen if you. like this show please leave us a review. on Spotify. and on Apple podcast patreon. love you all thank you actually the doc. doc Bagnell is a patron. he's a patron and that's how I found him. so thank you DOC for the support and uh.

anyways without further ado. please welcome functional neurologists. Dr Michael Bagnell to the Sean Ryan Show. cheers one last thing. one last thing before the show starts. everybody wants to know. how to keep your mind sharp right so the. first thing the doc says the best thing. to do. if you don't get to this part. is get moving Move Your Body.

which is what I just got done doing. doing a nice workout so you want to stay. Sharp. get off your ass and get in the gym all. right enjoy the show. [Music]. [Music].

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foreign. [Music]. Dr Michael Bagnell. welcome to the show and Ryan Show it's. super honored to be here so looking. forward to it thank you thank you we've. been talking for a while and I'm just. super excited to have you in the chair. and I have a ton of questions for you.

but first everybody starts with a gift. you had any ideas I think. um digital vigilance Elite pretzels. we're gonna have to send you back home. wow these are yeah I'm definitely. looking forward to it and. nobody ever comes with a gift for you so. my wife and I decided talking with your. wife we have a gift for you oh I love. presents. so oh I got a feeling I know what this.

is. is this from triple yeah oh my gosh. so that we appreciate you and these are. amazing those are for you bro and I will. be digging into these on the first break. thank you yes thank you I'm excited. Triple Crown Bakery in Franklin if those. either don't know. it's definitely worth the trip we're. setting the bar for all the future uh.

guests they must stop I can bring you. that. so we got a lot to talk about and my. first question is. short-term memory loss when you're when. you forget what you're saying. mid-sentence this happens to me all the. time happens when I'm talking to my wife. it happens when I'm on camera. it actually went away for a couple. months after I did my psychedelic. treatment and now it's back what is that.

well it's difficult to say what it is. but we can talk about why it might start. coming up and so you know and these are. just this is just an idea because when. whenever I'm talking with somebody about. a particular symptom that they have a. condition something they're suffering. with that they'd want to improve like. this where we're losing focus it would. seem on what the subject we're talking. about. so we have to start thinking about just. regions of the brain networks of the. brain so we know that speech and memory.

we know where those areas kind of lie in. the brain in the in the landscape speech. for men is mostly on the left the. ability to understand what you're saying. and me for to interpret it and then. speak back is mostly left brain with men. women tend to be bilateral so they. recover better from Strokes their speech. if so but in memory is it another area a. little bit lower in the temporal lobes. which we'll show you in this model in. just a minute but we're having kind of a. disconnect in the ability to maintain.

the thought the working memory which is. what we're talking about here it's not. long term it's short term it's like. right now right now right now and being. able to keep that short-term memory in. the Forefront. so I'm thinking when I hear that I'm. thinking okay what's happening in the. frontal lobe. the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex will. be I'll use language that's you know. more scientific just because it's in my. wheelhouse all the time but I'll kind of. try to to break that down a little bit. so the frontal lobe it's your executive.

function it's like what's happening. right now making decisions and. organizing your thoughts maybe you're. thinking even about the next question. you want to ask me it's all happening in. that frontal okay but maintaining what I. just said or what you just said is also. happening between the frontal the. temporal lobes and so networks come. together. so it's when we think about it we think. I first think what's going on in this. person's brain that might be now. projecting this this effect.

so I look at it more globally rather. than thinking uh let's just work on. their speech or just their memory I want. to see globally what's going on so I. have to take a step back from really. every symptom even if I have five people. with the same symptom Three Men and two. women I still have to take a step back. and look at their brain as a whole to. understand what might be the causes what. might be contributing what might be the. therapies for them afterwards if we can.

do something right because that's. something we talked a lot about it. people go and they get assessments. high-tech scans and then they just don't. know what to do with that data to help. themselves it's like it confirms you. have a problem good that is helpful it. lowers anxiety yes I have this problem. but what am I going to do with that or. can I do something with that. So my answer is to what is that. we wouldn't know until we started to get. in there and start to work with some of. the structures and see can we alter that.

but I would first put my pin in uh. working memory in the frontal lobe okay. I'd like to say okay let's see what's. going on that frontal lobe and with that. in mind we just did a brain map on you. so we did an EEG or a q-eeg right we I. mentioned a EKG for the heart and EEG is. done for the brain well we did a q-eeg. it's a version of that where we can look. at a brain map okay and we got some. results from that which would tell me oh.

okay this might be something that's. going on in your brain that might be. contributing to that issue that you're. talking about. okay what what are some a few specific. things that could be triggering that. like could it be a traumatic brain. injury could it be absolutely TBR or. PTSD yeah it could be both together yeah. so anytime we have a mild and there's. there's more than 50 definitions of. concussion so this is a very and they.

just came out of the the conference the. consensus conference earlier this year. in Amsterdam to and they do this every. few years to try to understand what's. the current data what's the current. understanding so when people think they. have a concussion generally a person. thinks it's more mild compared to a mtbi. a minor traumatic brain injury that. seems more oh and anyone who's in the. military who served you know has heard. enough rounds going off had enough.

things that that could have created. multiple concussive forces to the brain. and then change the electrical activity. the chemical activity in the brain. that could contribute to those so. absolutely okay could it also be from. ADHD 80d maybe just having too much. going on at one time yeah for sure I. mean. we were talking about this the other. night that a lot of times people have. these subsequent conditions I have a.

person would say I have ADD or I have. ADHD or my child. and then they have a concussion and they. had ADHD before that. or they had anxiety and they had a. concussion or brain injury after so you. can have different. things that can occur but you have these. underlying conditions okay so I guess I. could say like if I'm training for the. military but I previously had a knee. injury and I had a back injury when I. was a kid now I'm training and now I. flare up some of these things and now I. have a bigger problem with my knee and.

my back and now it's my shoulder because. I brought to the party up already an. imbalance or something that wasn't. strong when I brought and neurologically. that happens to a lot of us we have a. trauma as a kid we've had some sports we. have some injuries we we get really ill. at one point we have the inflammation. from things we have a poor diet and we. bring all that stuff to the party of. whether it's a brain injury or whether. it's PTSD and exposure to something. that's really traumatic and now our. brain is working on top of all that.

other stuff in the background. so yes I mean the different conditions. or symptoms that people have. are really. a picture of what's happening in their. brain okay. well doc we got a lot to talk about. we're going to talk about anxiety memory. Alzheimer's dementia TBI. effects of social media psychedelics. marijuana we got a lot of stuff to cover. but while we're on the memory topic I've. always been curious I've heard rumors.

that every every memory that you. everything that you've experienced since. birth is in your brain you just are. unable to actually access all those. different memories and some things we. remember some things we don't remember. where where is all this stored it's not. like I can. Tut your brain open and find some. memories in there right you know right. yeah there isn't that that aspect of it. right so you know here's a brain model.

well actually I'll just keep it together. so here's the model here's the front of. the brain here's the back of the brain. the side view from the right and we see. of course this is all colorized but it. helps us understand things with the. colors and these are brain regions and. they all have different kinds of cells. okay so that's probably as deep as we'll. go into that but here's that frontal. lobe up here all this is actually the. frontal lobe the green All the Way. Forward actually the red All the Way. Forward is the frontal lobe this is the. motor strip so when you have a thought.

about something and you want to do. something I want to raise my arm up this. red area is going to start firing up a. program okay about like a computer. program you plug it in here we go and. it's going to move that arm so if I'm. going to move my right arm. then the left side of my brain on this. motor cortex is going to say send it to. that right arm and those muscles. so I'll say this right out of the gate. because I mentioned another myth that's. been debunked but I'll I lay this on top. of Dr Andrew huberman out of Stanford. that there is no muscle memory. there is no muscle memory no we use the.

adage we say oh you know muscle memory. and I'm not here to correct everyone but. since Dr huberman corrected everyone. also I'm just going to write on his. coattails because it's really the brain. that's the memory that sets up the. program you know the motor program to do. something so it's like riding a bike. right we always heard that it's muscle. memory muscles have no memory. but the brain has a memory program for. riding a bike okay even if you haven't. done it for 50 years and it will kick.

those muscles into gear so to speak. activate them so that it starts and the. balance mechanisms like hey you remember. this and starts running that old program. again so you can then carry out that. function okay that's kind of a neat one. though that is interesting because we. all think that right muscle memory and. whether you say that or not it's not. here nor there it's just it's. interesting to know it's your brain. that's the memory for what you need to. do again okay. so front of the brain you're going to.

have some of that working memory up here. motor actions it's really your uh I love. the way one of the neuroscientists talks. about the frontal brain is your. simulator. it simulates everything it's evaluating. everything constantly what am I going to. do what's if he does this what should I. do right so how important is that in. military service I mean it's important. in every human function. if I say this what are they going to say. it's like a chess player here that. frontal lobe and then we move back here.

into the parietal lobe here's this blue. strip is your sensation everything you. feel in your body you feel your left. hand on your thigh there that that's. lighting up in the right side of your. brain saying I'm I have some pressure on. that thigh so everything we feel is in. that blue strip so feeling and motor are. right together right because if I feel. something on my leg that's kind of. pinching me I'm going to move my leg. quickly reactively and so they have to. be synchronized together okay and we. move back in the brain we have Vision. back here but on the side here is the.

temporal lobe that's where the memory. the primary memory let's say mechanisms. are involved. in that area which is kind of neat so if. we take this apart a little bit which I. really love this stuff all right so. we're looking on the inside here right. and this round piece here is your. emotional cortex your limbic area. they used to say when someone goes. limbic right they get really emotional. this limbic area so this is what's. really involved the brain stem in this.

limbic area with PTSD really yeah okay. so this is this is what's called by. Sanjay Gupta from CNN I was just. mentioning to you about that he's their. medical person he's saying this part of. this real estate is the expensive real. estate in the brain we think oh it's got. to be the frontal lobe it's got to be. something really unique this brain stem. is really the expense of real estate. this is what keeps Us Alive okay this is. where most of your neurochemistry is. made. serotonin like when people have.

depression and they're on an SSRI made. in the brain stem acetylcholine for. memory given to people with early. Alzheimer's made in the brain stem Gaba. to relax the brain calm the person down. made in the brain stem. so dopamine to get you to do things and. to drive and to focus your vigilance. from dopamine made in the brain stem. when we have a loss of that now we're in. Parkinson's so all this stuff is made. here chemically. and so this is a really Unique Piece.

which we'll talk more about but this. area. and your uh limbic area here frontal. lobe all involved in PTSD okay. memory though memory where is memory. stored so memory is primarily stored in. this temporal lobe out in here the. hippocampus so it's got fancy names but. that's where that processing of memory. is occurs and a lot of things link to it. I'll give you an example so smell is. linked to memory very much smell is more.

through the front of the brain through. the nose and certain nerves but it links. to that vision is of course linked to. memory so vision and what you're seeing. is is really recognized in the back of. the brain but then it links to memory so. I walk into our house and I smell. apple pie oh man that reminds me of my. grandmother's Kitchen in just a moment I. have a memory that's brought back up. into my Consciousness through smell okay. or through sound right you hear.

something boom boom boom and all of a. sudden a memory of something comes back. in. so a lot of different parts of the brain. Network to the temporal lobe. and you think about it temporal timing. right temporal it's temporal and it's. it's way of collecting data and so to go. back to what you said so I'm remembering. my working memory going back to do we. remember everything throughout all every. aspect of Our Lives I don't know I don't. know if if they're ever able to.

cert with certainty say that we do but. we probably do okay we probably do why. what is stopping. people from accessing certain memories. well we know that there's pruning that. occurs at an early age like with your. son as their brain is developing they. have more neural connections but they. prune them back. so pruning just like you prune a bush it. gets rid of things that are not. absolutely necessary for now for. function. so we might it might be storing them I.

don't know. but we know that there's pruning that. takes place it pro you you have a lot of. neural connections but it prunes them. and it makes some of them stronger and. that's what we need we need some. connections to be very strong and others. not that strong. so maybe that's part of it is when it. prunes does it store them I don't know. perhaps what about with trauma so I'm. going to give you an example in in I'm. asking you know for for women that have. been for a lot of the guys that have.

been on the show you know have seen and. experienced a lot of trauma people ever. worse experience a lot of trauma and. I've talked to a lot of operators who've. come out of the Psychedelic treatment. and have accessed memories that. they they have no recollection of until. they do that I'll give you another. example one of my friends. uh who's Cecile watched his mother. when he was when he was a little guy and.

had totally 100 percent blocked that out. of his memory. until he did his psychedelic experience. and that all came back what. another example would be. a long time ago I was I was doing this. anti-piracy stuff I run into. a old sniper partner of mine who I. didn't even remember was a sniper. partner of mine I knew him very well we. were friends we've hung out a lot.

he started talking about this Mission we. were on and. together had pictures everything I had. zero recollection of that operation none. but it obviously happened and I I was. too embarrassed. to to tell him that I I don't remember. any of this well sometimes I mean and. you know we're touching a lot of topics. in that in that statement uh sometimes. there can be a retrograde amnesia from a.

brain trauma so you might lose something. and now it may be everything but you. know previously retrograde going. backward okay so it could be something. like that like somewhere following that. mission with a head impact maybe you. lost some some of that memory that was. stored there right it also could be the. suppression of memory by my own system. to protect me. right so I mean I talk about this with. my wife all the time there's certain.

we'll watch a movie that's heart-rending. and the father's really strong character. and talking with the kids in a way and. I'm like you know what I don't want to. watch this anymore. because I can feel some of that memory. stuff coming up in me that I'm like nope. not gonna go there oh good so in a way. I'm controlling it but what am I doing. I'm holding down some memories. so I think also we know and I'm not a. mental health counselor I'm not trained. in mental health work we work with. excellent people in Psychiatry. psychology Mental Health Counselors all.

types of people in that in that Realm. and we know that people can suppress. for their own well-being their mind can. suppress things for their own well-being. so they can continue to go on and so. it's really fascinating to me after you. did your psychedelic journey and had. some people on that talked about I was. so fascinated about it so I started. digging into some of the data and what. we know right now so far is that well. what's going on in the brain when you do. this that could bring back a memory of.

something or could help someone feel. more recovered more of their emotional. state back there's something called a. default mode Network so again in the. brain we have regions but we have. networks that work together and the. default mode network is a little bit in. the back of your brain a little bit in. the front of your brain into the the. sides of the brain so it's this network. of connections. and this network so you have one in the. front of the brain I'll say that first. called the central executive Network.

it's the front of the brain all these. areas that link together to say let's. carry out this task right now. then there's the default mode Network it. kicks you back when you're like okay I'm. just relaxing right now. I'm not really doing anything in. particular. I'm my brain goes into the default mode. Network so kind of like think about like. a toggle switch Central executive take. care of action default mode Network well. in the default mode network is where we. have a sense of sitting back and and.

like relaxing taking things in. also it's our sense of self. it's also where we have a hope generated. for our future. so there's think about that someone goes. to military service sees extremely. traumatic things. maybe they don't have so much of a hope. and a vision for their future because. they just seen so much damage. and so much Carnage and all the all the. things that they see. they may end up shutting down this.

default mode Network. and if you don't have an a proper. balance between the central executive to. carry things out and the default mode. Network well we're imbalanced. like then I can I can do things and I. know some of the guests I won't refer to. them by name but something that's like I. can just do and do and do think I got to. keep going I got to be on Adderall I got. to keep right but I can't just sit back. and like. just chill out I 100 have that. the default mode network is what is.

acted upon not solely but primarily. through psychedelics. really yes and what does it do to it. that's what we don't know. it does we think because some studies. say it creates more activity in it some. studies say it creates better. connectivity in it really so that's the. target I believe and again I'm I don't. work with psychedelics that's not my. expertise but just in my my looking into. the literature and trying to understand. from from research-based studies that.

are actually going on. and they're using it even at Stanford so. out there so we know that this default. mode Network something is going on which. then restores both of the networks and. there are other networks so now you have. more of a balance in this person but. what I like to think about is this sense. of self. because you come back and I mean I've. seen it more in movies and the few. people that we worked with is you know. that's what I identify with I don't. identify with going to the farmer's.

market. and doing these seemingly normal things. when I've just been in that level of. life. so I think the reconnection of that. default mode Network and it can be done. with other ways rather than just. psychedelics but it's showing very. promising right I mean it speaks for. itself what you experienced so well I I. really want to dive into the. psychedelics topic and I wanted to go. into that a little bit later but let's. just do it now.

you know I'm I'm really curious I mean. there's been a lot of benefits uh that. I've personally received from. psychedelics a lot of my friends former. operators have received a lot of I mean. it's just been positive almost all the. way around but I do know of specific. examples where psychedelics didn't I I. they either did nothing. for. I'll just call them the patient or it. was actually harmful and I have not.

heard all I've heard is psychedelics are. great everybody's doing psychedelics. they're making these massive Headway. with them but nobody's talking about. the couple of cases in in there's got to. be more that's just who I know you know. and um. one guy has migraines he now has. migraines on a regular basis never had. migraines before. um and the other two. um I know three people that did not have.

a good psychedelic experience. do you know of any negative side effects. from this I do not but I'm not I'm not. that engaged in that network of people. doing that. um you know and although ketamine is. another one that a lot of people are. using uh for Ben and having benefits uh. which is not necessarily psychedelic but. it's another this in this this genre I. would say where we're starting to try to. get changes in people's brain utilizing. different.

pharmacologics uh traditional medicine. herbal thing whatever it might be in. this area so we know that there's. benefit to many people okay let's just. say that because I like to say that what. do we know we know that people are. getting benefits you're one of them we. know that in many of the people the. benefits are longer term. that's remarkable and and even this data. because I've saw I've seen people ask. you like is there published research on. this yes Stanford has published research. I do not but go search Stanford you're. gonna have to do a little work on your.

own little legwork Stanford is. publishing data on the use and the. controlled use and the processing with. the person. so for me as just an individual. um. buying something on your own going out. in your backyard and doing it is not the. way to be doing things. because there's so much going on that we. we don't know I think it's much better. in a controlled environment vital signs. are being maintained you have people. looking out for you totally focused on. your well-being I think those are the.

ways people have to consider if they're. considering how they're going to try. that but so there's many different types. right there's mushrooms there's LSD. micro dosing and again I'm not an expert. there's ibogaine there's all these. Ayahuasca so I think that what I've. talked with somebody in my field about. who's been doing it for more than 40. years he said what we'd like to know is. what happens in the brain specifically. by doing a brain map as one way which is. what we did right a brain map by doing.

that pre and post. right so there are bigger scanners we. talked about which we can find out. what's going on that would be a way and. I think whatever we can use to to. understand more of what's going on. before and after and taking care of that. person carefully during their experience. and helping them process it. so I'll just I'll open this up so I mean. I grew up in South Florida and I was a. teenager and I did things and my son. said Dad when you did that didn't you.

have like breakthroughs and experiences. and I said no I didn't. why not because I was just a foolish. young kid doing that. so I didn't have breakthroughs and great. visions and it was just foolishness on. my side. that's not what I'm recommending so. someone's going to do it and they're. being cared for by a group like the the. group that you were working with I mean. I thought that was brilliant I think. those men and women are really like okay. let's let's do the right thing for these.

people let's I think there's a lot there. that we need to to look into and. continue to research get data on so that. we can better help people even even. identify those before they do it that. this may not work well for you this may. not be your best option because. certainly in my mind it's not like oh. you're a special operator you need to do. psychedelics that's not the I don't. think that I think this may be a great. option for you and so let's get some. data and let's build up what we call a.

phenotype which types respond best to. these types of interventions and which. do not and we can gather that kind of. data especially even now with coming Ai. and that's a whole other topic but. understanding who's going to be the best. fit for that therapy I think would be. the next level of how to deliver the. psychedelics in a very successful way. for people so they can get the best out. of that if they choose it have you ever. heard the way it was described to me. which is probably completely off after.

listening to you is it does interrupt. the default mode network but the way I. understood it is the default mode. Network kind of gets lazy after time and. it's just a highway of neurons going. back and forth. and what I've heard is the psychedelics. will throw a roadblock up and then those. neurons have to find new Pathways or or. reopen old Pathways which is is there. any truth to that see that's a great.

statement so I would say okay let's look. at data how can we determine if we have. new Pathways well if you did something. uh like a tractography like on the front. of this kind of National Geographic this. is tractography now we can see are we. generating new Pathways or we can look. at a qeg like I showed you and we can. say what was the connectivity before. and what is the connectivity so I'll. explain this when we talk about your map. is we can look at how these areas all. those points on the cap represent.

different areas of the brain and how are. they're talking to each other. and so we can have hyper connectivity. too much it would be like me standing. next to you like yelling in your ear. your brain can just be screaming away. or it can be hypoconnectic connectivity. which is like it's not communicating. very well at all between Networks. okay and so then the question is what. did it do. is it developing new synapses. I don't know about that it might be what.

is a synopsis synopsis connection. basically and I'm going to just make. things simple connection between two. neurons okay they synapse but there's. around 80 billion neurons in your brain. and there's three times to ten times the. amount of synapses so they connect all. over each other so if we're developing. new highways we're talking. neuroplasticity oh good right so do do. psychedelics create neuroplasticity I. think you probably have people on both. sides of the aisle for that really.

interesting does do psychedelics benefit. many people yes. is it for everyone. probably not. let's determine who's going to benefit. the most from it that's where that's the. camp I land in because it's not my. expertise but I'm open if it can help. people and does it create. neuroplasticity that's for the. neuroscientists to determine Based on. data. right you always have to have good Intel. is that the right language it is if you.

have poor Intel. doesn't go well so if you have poor data. you can make all kinds of assumptions. but my dad would say it another way. which I won't. you're talking out of your South End. my dad had some colorful expression so. you know we have to have good data about. the brain going in doing it coming out. so we can then correlate that say what. does this mean really because we say a. lot of things and I've learned from my. wife.

words are very important the way we say. things and I've learned in my years now. and I probably shouldn't have said it. that way. so I'm hopefully I'm choosing my words. carefully to help people listening is. that you know there's benefit you need. to look into it you need to find. reputable people you need to really you. know. cross your t's and Dot your eyes and you. know really go into that like okay let. me see if this is the right therapy for. me because in a big metropolitan area. like we live in there's businesses. you know what I mean so you know great.

sign you up great sign you up and so we. just have to be wise in how we're. looking at that but it's definitely has. promise for a lot of people oh good. psychedelics check yeah I want to get. into the mapping of my brain after the. break here but before since we're on. kind of these um non-traditional. treatments I'd like to ask you about. marijuana and the reason I'm asking is. because I've used marijuana it helped a. lot with my anxiety it's helped with.

sleep it's helped with. My overall mood and I never. even considered it until my mid-30s and. first time I did it. bold night's sleep anxiety very low if. at all and um and it did improve my. overall mood so now I've heard that. there are negative effects to that as. well but I just like to get your opinion.

on what's happening there. you know I mean it definitely is an area. again that I don't just I'm not I don't. work in dispensing that. um. you know I grew up in South Florida. during the age when all that stuff was. happening you know meaning drugs and. influx and all that stuff not that I was. involved in that but you know I grew up. in the midst of that. so you know that kind of Tainted a lot. of my experiences about that so we again. what do we know we know that whether. it's CBD or whether it's oral.

consumption you know or whether it's. smoking we know that there's benefit. we know there's benefit what is it doing. to the brain that's where I always land. right we know that it changes certain. brain wave States. we also know that it can decrease. motivation in younger men. and and The Chronic use of it or the. daily use of it so we might be trying to. get to something so am I forwarded or. against it I think people have to make. that decision I think there's benefits.

and you have to see if that's the right. mechanism for you to use or write. therapeutic to help you and then be. judicious enough. where everything is being thrown at us. in society like do anything take. anything is to understand first what's. going on in my brain and is that the. best option for me. I think that's very important. so I'm not so old-fashioned that I would. say oh we can't do any of that listen. there's benefits and we're learning each. day everything is advancing you know.

it's becoming more sophisticated the. raising of it the growing of it the. processing of marijuana and the use of. it uh I just like the more judicious use. of it and the understanding of what's. going on in the person's brain prior to. whatever therapeutic they choose because. if you don't know okay so it benefited. you I sleep better I have less anxiety. okay are you is your tolerance going to. go up are you going to have to smoke. more how much is that going to cost you. what else is that going to do to your. brain what is it going to do to you long. term. those are the questions that I'm also. interested in we need the short-term.

help for people just like a medication. but we also need to understand more the. long term and can we get that person's. brain to change on its own. neuroplastically. that they may not need that hmm because. the brain we are so early in. Neuroscience right now so early like. probably what we're talking about now in. in three to five years will be like we. were doing that. so I think you're going to see such a. radical change in the ability to restore.

or restorative therapies that are not. based on Pharmaceuticals not based on a. lot of chemistry but are based more on. other types like. transcranial magnetic stimulation for. instance it's like what which some of. the operators and former military people. get where they're getting a high pulsing. of magnetic stimulation which which. actually creates neuroplasticity really. yeah so again another topic we can chat. about. are you aware of any long-term effects.

from marijuana use. I think they're a bit varied depending. on the age of the person but they do. change brain waves positively in the. beginning and then negatively as it's. long term really how what is long term. what is long-term I don't know I don't. know what their definition of that is. you know it's uh they don't say if. that's a year or six months five years. no it I I haven't seen data for that I'm. sure it's probably there if you dig into. that like what do they consider long.

term but then again what did the person. bring to the party. are they someone dealing with just. mildings mild to moderate anxiety or is. it somebody who has a military history. with all that trauma. physical brain trauma from injuries you. know rounds going off hot you know all. these High Caliber all that stuff coming. together toxin exposure and they have. anxiety so those are two different. people. oh good so what's going to be chronic. here what's going to be chronic there. what's the dose they're going to need to. get relief what is that dose that's a.

very unregulated area that's part of the. problem. it's like trial. everyone's trying something to see what. works which brand which dose how much. how often okay. so it's it's not an area that I could. probably speak to as well as many all. right well let's take a quick break and. when we come back I want to get into the. mapping of my brain and find out if. there's actually anything going on up. here or not. yeah. starting an e-commerce platform can be.

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before making an investment decision. all right doc we're back from the break. right before we started this podcast. you've mapped my brain right so what's. going on up there all right so. definitely working at full capacity. that's good we're looking at as a model. the front of the brain here. and the back of the brain towards me. and so I'm going to give you kind of a. couple of thoughts in general and then.

we'll dive down into I'll explain what I. saw in the results okay so in general. well it's important for people to know. there's different kinds of brain waves. and the brain is always oscillating all. the brain waves so what are the brain. waves Delta is the first one Delta is. normal for sleep so we all have Delta. brain waves it's for sleep so when we're. asleep our delta waves will be a bit. higher than some of the other brain. waves so it's a slow slow brain wave as. would be thought then you come up a.

little bit faster you have Theta. Theta is something where you're kind of. dozing off you're kind of drifting down. into sleep it's slowing your brain down. but it's not as slow as Delta. Theta is also implicated in people if. you have a lot of theta brain wave in. the middle of the day you might have an. attention problem. because your brain sluggish it's slow. and it can't stay on things that are. changing quickly. Theta can also be controlled by people. who meditate so it might be a good thing.

that you can bring up your Theta so it's. a slow brain wave so you have Delta it's. very slow theta's a little bit faster. then you hit Alpha. Alphas like the gear shifter from slow. wave to faster wave and Alpha is related. to at least attributed to Performance a. relaxed state of function where you can. do what you need to do but you're kind. of in a good State like uh Zen state or. you're in your you're in the right zone.

for an athlete oh good right you're not. tense but you're not completely falling. asleep but you're you're mentally. flexible you're emotionally flexible. it's your Alpha State and even Tony. Robbins I believe says that he trains. for many hours to be able to stay in an. alpha State because he's you know. leading these massive conferences and. helping people have breakthroughs and. things so he's got to really be on on. his game okay so Alpha is very good we.

know that Alpha decreases as we age. and and we can see that in people many. times because they get less flexible. more rigid. more frustrated with things that maybe. when they were younger like no not a big. deal. then you go up from alpha to Beta And. beta is a big big range of brain waves. they have low beta. and high beta and so high beta is if you. have to solve something complex I mean. you have so much technology here it's.

almost like my office and you need to be. a bit of high beta learning how to. operate all this stuff that's normal. but when you close your eyes to relax a. person shouldn't be in high beta that. can be associated with stress anxiety. things of that nature so all the brain. waves are normal it depends on what the. context is. so if I'm here talking to you my brain. is high in Delta that's not the proper. context for that because it's for sleep.

or I'm trying to fall asleep and my. brain has got a lot of high beta going. on I'm not going to fall asleep very. well because my brain is racing. so all the brain waves we all the way to. Beta and then the highest ones that we. record are gamma. gamma is a very high frequency. processing brain wave something that. helps you have Insight embeds memories. very deeply. so gamma we know is damaged with head. injuries okay and also with people with.

Alzheimer's. and actually MIT did some studies years. ago on mice you know non-human uh. studies so not everything that's done in. an animal model we know transfers to a. human but where they they took a 40. Hertz flickering light and 40 Hertz. would be at like part of the gamma brain. wave and they're all in hertz measured. and a 40 Hertz flickering light reduced. a lot of the plaquing in the brains of. the mice or rats that they used.

so they thought oh wow Will a 40 Hertz. flickering light exposure to people with. Alzheimer's and these different types of. plaques improve them. so then of course many people jumped on. that and started selling these lights. that you could purchase and put in your. desk that have 40 Hertz flickering and I. bought one curious I put it just behind. my computer I think I got a headache the. first day. because I've had I've had a number of. head traumas I estimate five to seven. concussions playing football track and.

field pole vaulting several rollover car. accidents so I've had my fair share of. head impact never diagnosed with a. concussion but I'm noticing now at my. age I think that's probably related to. like I sweat more on one side of my body. than the other really yeah that's. related to a brain stem injury okay. I mean how injured am I I'm not that. injured I'm pretty functional but I'm. noticing that I think these things are. related to some of the head impacts I. took. being more stressed a little more.

trouble sleeping. you know so I I have little things that. I notice you know you know yourself you. notice like that's not really what I. used to be like so these frequencies. this. Alpha Beta gamma fatal Delta. um so these these are just they're. they're frequencies yeah they're. electrical activity in your brain. how are they damaged that was a. frequency damaged a frequency won't be. damaged but you can have too much of. that brain wave or too little of that. brain wave how.

because of injury number one can change. because you think about it here's an. electrical wiring Network. electrochemical Network or you could. even say electromagnetical. electromagnetic but electrochemical. Network right everything's running over. the wiring in this brain and it's. electrical frequencies and you you smash. this brain from one side or you twist it. around and that trauma can cause. shearing of those electrical wires okay.

and the shearing is what causes those. wires not to transmit properly and. because it's injured just like you get. inflammation in a knee that was injured. or shoulder you can get neuro. inflammation. at that site of injury which is going to. radically change the the electrical. activity. and there's signatures. meaning we know that certain or what I. mentioned earlier this word called. phenotypes meaning certain brainwave.

patterns are related to certain. conditions then you find out did this. person have that condition. they did then that's the kind of pattern. so let me be a little more precise. a brain injury a traumatic brain injury. has a signature often that has too much. Delta that very slow wave and too much. High beta in two Regional areas like oh. there and oh there. that's very common. so when people come into our Center and.

we do a brain map and they've had a head. trauma I look for signatures patterns. do they have a pattern of having a head. injury. and in your case here's what we see you. have a significant amount of Delta wave. that's why I mentioned that too much. too much too much Delta wave on this. side of your brain the right side of. your brain. foreign. into the temporal lobe. which has to do with memory so it's. running very slow almost like you here's.

the analogy I use it's like having the. break on okay okay and in your frontal. lobe you have too much High beta. which is like having the gas pedal. pressed down. so you got the brake on and you got the. gas pedal going. that's not so easy to get that car. moving properly right no it might be. spinning the tires I mean just using. that analogy. so that's the the overview of what's. happening so it is a signature for a.

traumatic brain injury. it is it is too much Delta and too much. High beta in local regions what regions. temporal lobe frontal lobe. too much High beta in the frontal lobe. contributes to anxiety no question. no question then we go back to what we. were saying before. what's going to be the best therapeutic. intervention for this person to start to. heal if possible develop neuroplasticity. if possible and Abate their symptoms.

help them feel better. that's the way I think about things what. can we do to improve the function of. this person's brain so that they feel. better and can carry on with their life. in a in a contributing way the way with. their family with work with their health. yeah that's what I'm looking at. so if that's what's going on with my. brain and I went to your treatment. center. what would be the next step. well there's numerous other tests that.

we would use okay to really dial in more. data. so that we can. it's very precisely and specifically as. much as we can Target therapies okay so. let's go back to this the right side of. your brain too much Delta so many of my. therapies for an example might be from. the left side of your body or from the. left your through your left eye to drive. more information to the right hemisphere. I may even use the vestibular apparatus.

in your inner ear on this side which has. to do with balance because it has. projections not only to balance but to. the frontal lobe down to the brain stem. which is actually the expensive real. estate we need to analyze how the brain. stem is functioning through special. testing. because what we used to believe in brain. injury is that it's up here right in a. football helmet where it hits here or. then it goes backward inside the helmet. now we know that the head moves on a.

stock the brain stem. and that brain stem when the head moves. it twists. and the torsion of that brain stem is. what leads to many of the problems that. we have cardiac issues respiratory. issues gut issues blood flow back to the. Head issues migraine headaches. so going back to that other person who. tried psychedelics who developed. migraines maybe the problem was in their. default mode Network because of the.

trauma but maybe he had a problem in the. brain stem that now boiled to the top. because it needs a different therapy. okay and that's why we need better. assessments on the front end so that the. therapeutic intervention is more. specific. I mean can you get any more specific. than being a special operator no the. training is so precise. it's not General so why don't we even. think about that like that's the way I. kind of like to think in my non-military.

is be as precise and Target this thing. so you can get the best outcome in the. shortest time okay that's the goal. it's not always easy to get there but. that's the goal. and people say well you know we want to. have a proper hope when we're looking at. people and what they're dealing with and. how to help them restore but they're. they're in a way there's always a hope. how can you say that because we don't. know what the brain cannot do.

so I like to come in and in setting the. proper expectation with people. help them understand that there's. something maybe that you can do. you're right and so I say that because. it's it's easy to lose hope you try a. million things you're suffering so badly. um we want to restore hope there there. are things that can be done and they may. be able and it may be multiple different. things but if they're targeted you're. going to get a better outcome.

okay yeah. you know we kind of talked about this a. little bit last night but you know one. of the reasons I've never gone to get a. brain scan or or anything I've actually. turned them down it's because I just. always assumed yep I have a TBI probably. multiple TV eyes. and I've just had friend after friend. you know from from from my prior life. telling me that they've got the brain.

scan and yes all these things have. happened and then they don't know what. to do so they try the hyperbaric chamber. some other things does the hyperbaric. chamber actually does that work for. traumatic brain injury out of Israel. they're finding dramatic results. using hard chamber hyperbaric oxygen. therapy at certain depths certain. pressures and finding dramatic change we. use a soft chamber. and what I would say is so there there. are potentially benefits.

just like there's potentially benefits. with psychedelics there's potentially. benefits with the use of marijuana. that's you know properly dosed so. there's potential what needs to be. determined is what's the best fit based. on what's going on in your brain. so again go back to okay you entered the. office we're going to do a series of. other assessments using your eye. tracking because eyes tell us dramatic. things about the brain like they in the. NFL when they go into the tent they look.

at how their eyes are moving that's one. of the standards for understanding if. there's a brain injury so we'll do eye. tracking tests we'll do balance and. stability test standing on a foam. cushion with your eyes closed and. people's balance gets very wobbly and so. we can measure that very carefully. because it tells us about areas of the. brain putting on special goggles to see. how you do in the dark. how your eyes move how your eyes. function sometimes we'll put those. goggles on somebody and they can't see. anything and one eye will just. completely come in like cross-eyed so.

it's telling us oh there's neural. networks here that are disrupted. we'll do autonomic testing for the brain. stem it's a specialized heart evaluation. and blood flow so we can know is your. brain stem operating properly so as we. start to separate all that data. we start to get a Target these are all. things that you perform yes okay and a. proper examination and so I would say. that the people that do this kind of. work are called or at least.

most of them are called functional. neurologists. that's what I do functional neurology. and so that's what people would need to. look for someone who works in functional. neurology why because they're working. with not only the data of what's going. on in the brain from various sources. like brain maps and things but then what. therapies can be now placed in order. here or what we like to say is stack. together we use a suite of Therapies.

so we'll have people call and say I. tried Hyperbaric it didn't help me. I tried vision therapy and it was a. little bit helpful. but when you put it all together it's. very different. what is going on with the hyperbaric. chamber why why is that working pressure. is the magic. right your body Can Only Hold so much. oxygen if you ever put one of these. little devices on a pulse oximeter you. can see oh 99 you can't take more than.

100 oxygen into your body at atmospheric. pressure I mean you know. um regular what am I trying to say there. I lost my word yeah just at room room. air 21 you can't put more than 100 in. but under pressure based on. laws of physics Boyle's Law you can. dissolve oxygen into the plasma so you. can go Way Beyond 100 because it's not. going on the red blood cells it's going. to all the plasma now it can get into. areas that it may not have been able to.

get before that's why that works so. pressure is the magic okay and I'm going. to say this I'm going to quote a friend. of mine oxygen is the essential nutrient. because people had questions on patreon. what about what vitamins and maybe we'll. chat about that it might be helpful but. oxygen is kind of a nutrient. right without oxygen we're done. it's really the rate limiting nutrient. you can take the best of XYZ whatever. you might even be enjoying the gummy. bears which would be a good thing to.

enjoy but you need oxygen. the brain needs oxygen and needs glucose. and it needs activation okay so the. oxygen is really key to recovery not. only the brain but everything in the. body so and we know that longer term. exposures to hyperbaric oxygen even at. low pressure like the chamber we use. have dramatic benefits on even the cells. of our body. longevity mechanisms start kicking in so. some of these other we won't go into the.

nomenclature but you have different. genes that gets start getting stimulated. and those are going to be better for. longevity. but you have to have a certain amount of. time under pressure so Hyperbaric is a. very beneficial therapy when it's put. together in the right order with things. let me use an analogy what I mean by. order or stacking therapies just to hit. it right now if you and I go to the gym. and we work on bench press. and that's all we do. that's not bad we'll feel it in our.

chest but if we did bench press and we. did flies and we did two other exercises. for chest we're gonna feel it a lot more. we stack together different things okay. so by doing by assessing the whole. person in this way their brain and how. their everything that inputs to the. brain we may use different Therapies. to to get more of an uptick in that. brain's ability to to develop plasticity. so if I just did vision therapy with you. could be really good and then let's say.

I did. two or three other therapies and you're. like wow doc I'm I'm really like. fatigued my brain is fatigued it was. demanding now I'm going to put you in. the hyperbaric chamber and I'm gonna. give you such a dose of oxygen I'm going. to help you to recover faster. that's that's the method that we use. often well good. that makes a lot of sense so we're going. to exercise the brain in a way of saying. it we're going to push it and push it. and push it properly within its. metabolic capacity I'm not going to push. the person too hard and then and that's.

my expertise is like knowing when. and then get them in the oxygen does. everyone do Hyperbaric no but a large. percentage do. I talked with a lot of people with tbis. here what what. where would be the fir what what is the. best treatment in your opinion of. everything that you've heard of. Hyperbaric psychedelics the light. therapy the magnetic stuff that you were. just talking about earlier is there. something that you've found.

have have a lot more positive results. that is that is a tough question and the. reason that's a tough question is. because it depends on the person and. what's going on with them. that's why that's a tough question to. answer okay because people will hear. that and they'll say that's what I need. to try then. and it may fall flat for them because it. wasn't really delivered properly or it. was delivered properly but it wasn't. really the thing they needed okay. so I would say I like to go back to what.

do we know we know that there's benefits. to TMS transcranial magnetic stimulation. we know there's benefits to Hyperbaric. we know that psychedelics have benefits. for some people and other various and. Sundry things vision therapy other brain. training has benefit but we have to. figure out where you are. so we can suggest the proper thing so. you get the best outcome okay. I'd like to move into.

anxiety ADHD and dementia Alzheimer's. and the reason these are three things. that I think a lot of people have. concerns of and and so I kind of want to. go through each one and talk about. what's going on with the brain with. these and are there any natural remedies. because ever since covet happens there's. happened there's been this big push of. people looking for natural remedies and. not using big Pharma anymore and so I'd. like to incorporate some of that but.

let's let's just start with anxiety. what's going on there. anxiety. well there are we talked about that. default mode Network earlier and the. default mode network is regions of the. brain that operate together and it's. like where you step back and you have. this hope for your future and a sense of. self and kind of being able to pause and. relax and step back. so first thing we think about with. anxiety is what do the brain waves look. like. are there brain waves too much in the.

high beta and if they're too much in the. high beta then that's going to be. they're not going to be able to relax. so let's say that's part of sometimes. people with anxiety it's very common. very common way too much High beta. whether it's in the frontal lobe like we. talked about whether it's in the. emotional cortex of the brain which is. the limbic area. which is right here. way too much High beta in this area. or that default mode network is.

disrupted and so that's not letting. their brain relax I'm trying to get that. back together so there's not a area that. we like we can say memory is primarily. in that temporal though but we can't say. oh anxiety is just there. because different people present. differently some people it's emanating. from the frontal lobe some people it's. emanating in the cingulate that limbic. area inside some people it's emanating. because this thing back here the. cerebellum in the back of my brain which.

is for coordination of things. is not firing properly to the front. so that's how complex it is right I mean. it said. the brain is the body's most complex. organ. so there's a certain level I want to try. to help Things become like oh I get what. he's saying but some of it is. complicated. it's not just so easy to say oh and. that's what unfortunately I think we've. done a lot in.

Healthcare. oh you have anxiety here you go. and it's a chemistry approach. so I mean modern Psychiatry a lot of. them Dr Daniel Amen for one and many. others are saying we're behind. because we're treating everything like. it's a chemistry issue because that was. the thought that it's always a chemical. imbalance oh good. but now we realize oh maybe it's not. necessarily a chemical imbalance maybe.

it's an imbalance in the firing of that. brain because when when neurons fire. together electrically they create. chemistry. it's not the other way around. it's not like all of a sudden chemistry. just starts being produced it's like the. brain's firing or not firing and it's. producing chemistry or not producing. chemistry our approach in the past. meaning Health Care has been let's use a. chemical approach and why why have we. used that I don't know is it because of.

you know you could it's ways to research. and funding I mean probably right we. know big Pharma it's money there's a lot. of money involved there's people trying. to help there's scientists there's. academics but there's money big money. involved so who's to say but anxiety. can be different areas of their brain. that have very high brain waves that are. overactive. and from a brain standpoint and then we. want to look at how do we get inhibition. how do we get the brain to start. shutting that down is it talk therapy.

which can help bring out some of issues. maybe that drove the anxiety separation. anxiety for people Dr Russell Kennedy. says that he says it's a lot of it's an. alarm in your body going off. usually from separation anxiety so. different different uh schools of. thought and different domains of science. have different reasons as to why there's. an anxiety oh good they would they would. say so a psychologist would explain it. one way and a psychiatrist perhaps a.

little bit differently someone who does. mind-body medicine might explain it a. little differently but what I'm saying. is okay we have oftentimes High beta in. certain areas of the brain and the goal. is whatever therapy how can we bring. that under control. and I think it's usually a. multi-disciplined approach works best. because what's the alternative versus. take this. some of the most. addictive medications we have are. benzodiazepines anti-anxiety meds.

I mean and there's people that say we. really don't want you to take these but. when someone's in a panic state. okay we get it we know there's a need. and it's helpful and we're thankful but. can it be misused and abused of course. it can. so we want to dial it back figure out. what's going on in their brain and see. what other kind of solutions and we have. we have children under 12 with severe. anxiety can you imagine. severe cannot function. I mean this is just this breaks my heart. yeah I mean little children teenagers.

that's what I was mentioning last night. the one thing that gets me more than. anything is the young people and they're. because of some of these mood disorders. like anxiety just wrecking them. and then what's the cause many things. many things the outward environment the. inward environment the brain environment. you know all these contributing factors. it's a it's a big it's a big task to try. to help people recover does that kind of. help with anxiety it does is is there. anything.

that people can do naturally to lower. anxiety yeah so I mean the brain creates. uh many neuro uh transmitters. neuromodulatory transmitters the brain. creates a lot of chemistry for itself. serotonin dopamine I mentioned those. early acetylcholine it's really involved. with memory but Gaba g-a-b-a which. stands for a certain longer name people. can Google that Gaba is one that your. brain makes and Gaba is the only one. that's the inhibitory. calms you down.

so people have used Gaba. you which you can buy over the counter. it's just a very simple supplement and. you get some because it has to go. through your gut and be broken down and. then through the liver and then be. absorbed and then be converted so it's. quite a process but some people find. that Gaba using Gaba is very helpful for. things like anxiety for things like. sleep disruption and muscle stiffness. why because. gabaergic drugs are used for Sleep.

anxiety and muscle stiffness. so Gaba can be something as a simple. trial that someone could use it's safe. it's non-toxic it's you know it's water. soluble so you're not going to store up. all this and you might see that you. might notice a change with that and you. have to I usually dose it up with my. clients to see if they're getting a. change I don't I it's not one of those. things you need to try for six months. okay you're gonna know in a week or it's. not for you that was what I was going to. ask how long does it need to be in your.

system before you start to see you start. and I dose people up we might start out. for example and this is not medical. advice for people I might start with 200. milligrams and go to 400 and you don't. notice anything and then 600 and then. 800 because most of the times you see it. in the store it's 750 milligrams to a. thousand. so you know you can start on a lower. dose and try it and notice and when. would you take it if you're having. trouble sleeping you take it in the. evening. if you're having anxiety through the day. and that's really your suffering point.

maybe you're starting it earlier in your. day. so it's it's a simple non-toxic. relatively safe trial short-term sink. does it help me or not and if it doesn't. that's not the thing for them the other. thing a lot of people use and we use it. very successfully is CBD. that helps a lot of people with anxiety. not everybody but a lot of people okay. and then there's something that I'm I. have no disclosure I don't sell them. there's something too little risk they. look like wristwatches and they're. called touch points touch points are.

these the things the metal bands with. the little balls on the end no they're. from acupuncture there's some things I. think like that okay these vibrate back. and forth back and forth and you just. turn them on click them on and you can. put them here and you can put them on. your ankles you can clip it on and it. it's been very effective in helping. people with anxiety why because it. operates through a sensory mechanism. into the brain and it's going to lower. the threshold of that high beta.

I was going to bring them but I brought. other Tech just to see because why it's. a low-cost device that's very helpful. for I mean just so many people and you. could buy it off the internet so and we. use that with a lot of the kids we also. use adults but when you have a kid. that's on these medications that are. very addictive and the parents would. rather have an option. and so we try that and like wow those. things are the greatest thing now they. can and we use the same kind of device. many times for people who have attention. problems.

because attention problems can have too. much of a certain brain wave. and if we can kind of. disrupt that elevated brain wave or. alter it we may get them to be able to. keep their attention longer and then if. you can keep your attention longer or. you can lower your anxiety now you can. train your brain at that level and. strengthen it. what are these things called touch. points I'm getting some you should I. definitely recommend it they're not. expensive at all and they're worth a try. okay. I'm gonna try those let's move into ADHD.

yeah so I grew up I got diagnosed with. that I believe in fourth grade couldn't. stand it hated taking the meds. um used to throw them out the window on. the way to school because I didn't want. to be different than anybody else and. now it's it's it's becoming at least it. appears to me that it's becoming so. common. I I think that more people say they have. ADD ADHD then don't have it now and and.

why is that why is everybody. why can't anybody hold a thought anymore. yeah why. why. I think there's probably a lot of. reasons we're talking about a younger. generation or talk about the you know. the more current the 20s the 30s sure or. 18s to 30s. uh part of it I what I have gathered in. reading some books there's a great book. called dopamine Nation written by a. psychiatrist out of Stanford again I.

keep referring to Stanford I didn't go. there I'm not part of their donation. fund or whatever they have but there's. some excellent researchers there so I. you know I I like to understand things. from their side who are working in the. lab I'm working with people they're. working in Labs so I get to see that. data and say can we use that and that's. where we what we call clinical. Neuroscience we're taking Neuroscience. out of there and putting using it in the. clinic right now because it could take. 20 years before that data is now being. used in a therapy we're trying to.

extract it safely non-invasive therapies. and say let's try it right now. not it's not trying dangerous things. they're safe things but we're applying. the principles of what they're doing. there in the center you personally are. doing that or neurology functional. neurologists functional neurologist. across the country are doing this or. just your no they're across the country. across the the world okay we have a. network all over the world that have. been trained and and utilized a lot of. these principles.

so going back to that dopamine Nation. it's a very interesting book Adderall in. one of the first stories a guy talks. about like this helped me perform. and that's I think one of the things is. help me perform how can I perform better. either in a social situation in a work. situation whatever it is how can I. perform better right we all want to. perform better but these things have. become so accessible this is my opinion. now these medications drugs have become. so accessible that everyone goes to them.

all the young people a lot of young. people. so much so perhaps you know this that. that's one of the things that they buy. from each other. they're a prescription I'm going to sell. my Adderall prescription to somebody or. my benzo prescription. so that's that's where we are. well it's interesting I mean truth be. told I'm one of them you know I did that. I didn't I. I. sporadically took Adderall and Ritalin. growing up then I joined the military.

didn't take it at all every once in a. while for an operation they would give. us some pro-visual or some Adderall or. something if it was going to be a long. night or a couple days but I didn't. start. taking it on a regular basis again until. I started business and it did help it. did help with functionality and it. helped me be more productive it also. dramatically increased my irritability. and anxiety and so I quit taking them.

and and I would take it sporadically. then I did the Psychedelic thing and I. didn't I haven't taken them again since. it's been almost a year now but but. um that's. that's kind of I'm just telling you this. so yeah yeah it's a reality it's it's. kind of where we are so we need to have. other options or it would be nice to. have other options again going back to. what's going on in their brain so here. it's it's so what's so fascinating what. you told me is that when I was in fourth. grade I had diagnosed with this then I.

became an operator and then I was had. concussions and you see how one thing. layers on top of other things. so we know that someone who has ADHD we. know this in the literature or a woman. at a certain point in her cycle or. menstrual cycle or someone with anxiety. that has a concussion will have a less. better outcome than someone who didn't. have that. because it's more complicating the brain. has already been dealing with something. oh good right it's like what you brought. to the party I didn't bring a normal.

typical brain I brought a brain that was. dealing with ADHD which may have been. too much activity of high beta or too. much Theta activity. so that's why we have to understand. brain mapping and do these cognoscopies. every year doing the least expensive. least invasive approaches to. understanding the brain every year like. the old physicals that people used to do. back in the day I do a yearly physical. what about a brain evaluation every year. that's low-tech or not low-tech.

high-tech but non-invasive low cost. and someone to interpret it then you. know where you are what do you have a. rough year and your brain is really. going on in a certain direction and you. can do things more naturally to taper. that and bring it back into balance so. that is part of the problem is that the. attentional networks of the brain. are are imbalanced it could be too much. it could be too little. that's why one size therapy doesn't fit. all.

does not you you work a lot with ADHD. patients a lot a lot of young people. what what kind of stuff do you do for. them. what do we do for them well one tool we. use with them so we may use. neurofeedback. which is after a brain mapping we may. use a type of training where they're. getting feedback about how their brain. is doing and they have to alter it. themselves so they learn how to. self-regulate or Auto regulate that's. one therapy we look at how their eyes.

track say well they didn't have a brain. injury but how the eyes track are tell. us about how certain areas of the brain. are working so I might use visual. tracking exercises to stabilize an area. of their brain. just like I would with concussion. I may use something called brain tap. which is another device. I may use those touch points with them. and so sometimes we need to send things. home with people often so they have a. daily dosing of themselves. that I can be you know partnered with.

them whether it's this low-tech you know. like the touch points I'm going to have. you wearing that every day during. homework so Dr Andrew huberman again to. go back to Stanford says something. interesting a lot of his colleagues. there researchers uh and have children. young people and they were talking about. the use of Adderall for attention. nobody's really I think a fan of it as a. parent they would rather have another. option but it does work to some degree. with these young people.

but he was saying maybe in and I'm. paraphrasing weekly if the person is it. is it bad for them to be on a medication. when they're doing some kind of therapy. and the answer may not be so bad because. if their brain is in a better working. order I may be able to train it better. but if they're all over the map here I. may not you'd be able to get them to. focus on what I need them to do okay. there's logic in that as long as there's. a rationale for me like tell me the. rationale as to why you want to do that. okay that that makes sense but if.

there's no rationale it's just like you. know throwing a dart at something at. that I'm not in favor of so we don't. love medication we know that it's. necessary it does help to some degree it. it's got other effects that we don't. love so we want to train the brain so we. want to get the brain understood of that. young person or adult. then we want to develop a strategy if. possible and start delivering that to. them whether it's things they do on. their own whether it's supplements. whether it's training an area of your. brain that has too much imbalance brain.

wave through different therapies even. like visual tracking I mean the the. level of Therapies. and the application of them are things. you can't even imagine. so when someone says tell me what. therapies you do it's like I always sit. back and say wow how am I going to. explain this. tell me all the gear that you carry as. an operator. first of all I have no idea of any of it. good enough and now you're going to. explain it to me I don't even know what. you're talking about I never understand. when when you have people on it and.

they're saying these different uh. acronyms I'm like I had to look up. MARSOC I had to look up all these things. I have like no idea so that's how. complicated some of the therapies. they're they're and they're all. integrated but they use the things. here's the best way to say it okay I'll. slow myself down. we use things to change the brain that. are inputs to the brain. visual inputs. hearing inputs. taste inputs. smell inputs physical inputs from the.

body right if I do electrical. stimulation on this wrist I know for. certain it's going to end up in the left. side of your brain. it's also going to go through the brain. stem it's going to activate things and. it's going to bring up acetylcholine in. your brain your arousal system is going. to come up excuse me not so I can do. that with someone who's in a low state. of arousal. and I did that with somebody who was in. a very deep state of uh seizure and we. are and this is in literature I didn't.

develop it they use stimulation on the. median nerve. and it's in studies that people can look. up on PubMed the National Library of. Medicine to bring people out of coma. state. so there are some really unique things. that can be applied you just have to. have someone who has a background like. myself and my colleagues that can say. what might work here. and then we we test something that's. non-invasive and non-threatening to the. patient of course we never do that.

does it have a good outcome yes okay now. we're going to repeat that until we. strengthen that neural connection now. we're going to change it so we're. constantly testing things to see is that. the right thing and if it is I'm going. to write it until that area is stronger. interesting right. as far as natural remedies you kind of. talked about when we were. going over anxiety but is there anything. that somebody that's having focus. problems or that has been diagnosed with.

ADD ADHD that they can do naturally. yeah so we haven't really landed in this. area about nutrition and and that part. and lifestyle but let's just kind of. like put a little kind of covering onto. that because I think it fits here okay. so natural remedies I like to ask people. so I'm in this 33 years. we always I always loved a shiny new. thing what's the new supplement what's. the new technology what's I love this.

kind of stuff so my wife holds me back. the rain she holds back the reins you. have enough technology honey okay so. with that background just an homage to. my wonderful wife and I'm thankful for. that. I go back to the basics. what should I take what should I do tell. me about your sleep I sleep terrible. okay so I need to work on sleep good. sleep is a Cornerstone a foundation to a. healthy brain. um good tell me what your diet's like. it's terrible okay a good diet is.

foundational to a healthy brain. tell me about your Family Life stress. level things like that I'm super. stressed out with my work so there's. three things there that don't cost them. anything. that if we could start putting together. lifestyle things with that. it would make a big change in their. brain. and they may be related to changing the. nutritional approach I'm not saying it's. going to be easy right I mean there's. thing like if you put a bag of chips a. bowl of chips here I can't I can't stop.

myself I mean I'm into the chips the. whole time so we all have our thing so. I'm not saying it's easy but we know. listen I got a problem and I'm gonna. have to nail this thing down. if I want a better outcome. because everyone says I'm willing to do. anything until you touch the thing they. don't want to do. and then like oh that's what I gotta do. but that's the important things many. times. so we gotta get their diet if that's a. big problem we got to get that more. balanced out and it may be steps. short small steps incremental steps.

maybe need to remove some things may. need to add some things just to have a. proper balanced nutritional intake. that's very important okay you know so. are you are you saying just a just a. well-balanced diet overall. well or is there anything specific and. so. I'll let you answer that then I get. another question well I think that's. even become difficult to answer because. now people have I mean it's like. everybody got to their sides right it's. like you got the plant-based over here. you got the meat eating Bay the.

carnivores over there you got the beauty. is that our body can adapt to so many. things. and so we have to determine where are. you and what do we need to alter that's. going to help you. so I'm just going to use you and I. let's say that your plant-based uh no I. don't even want to go that into that. that's just two okay controversy in that. let's just say that you you eat a lot of. dairy you love you love cheese you drink. you know milk you eat a lot of dairy you.

have a lot of digestive problems just an. example a lot of digestive problems you. know we want to help your brain I may. make a suggestion I say Sean why don't. we start to taper back some of the dairy. so that's not every day and it's not in. this you drink two glasses of milk a day. and you eat cheese every day which you. love which is like locally and I love. cheese there's nothing wrong with cheese. and you like ice cream in the evening. and you make your own ice cream. okay those are all good things but maybe. it's a little too much Dairy. maybe for you because we're trying to.

restore brain function maybe and you. have gut problems you see how I kind of. put that together. so or maybe it's like man I love bread I. love and maybe you have a little bit of. a and you have gut issues and you have. brain issues maybe there's a bit of. gluten we need to taper it down so we're. reasonable we're not saying stop. everything reasonable how do we taper. this down if that might be a. contributing factor now we can do. testing on those things to see if you. have sensitivities and things like that. but it's just as easy to start balancing.

out your diet more whole based foods. okay if you're eating meat cleaner Meats. right cleaner meats you know things that. are less processed less all the. different aspects what we know is a. problem less toxins less GMO we want to. reduce many of those things if a person. has they're trying to clean up their. diet because it may be affecting their. brain sure that makes sense it's. reasonable put better gas in your car. change the oil more frequently it makes. sense that's so simple so we want to.

clean up but not everyone understands. what cleaning up the diet means. so we need to cut down on some of the. especially sugars or carbohydrates. because that really can create problems. with the brain too many carbohydrates. like a lot of things so we talked about. just General Nutrition that's what I. mean when I say cleaning up the. nutrition it's got to be again a little. more specific to the person okay when. the other the follow-up question of that. is there's all these supplements. um on it has one called I can't remember.

what but it's a brain function thing. ginkgo biloba now is psychedelic. medicine is coming more and more to the. Forefront. um all these companies are talking about. fungi and the benefits of of. non-psychedelic mushrooms like lines and. all this is there is is this real are. there very are there real benefits to. all these fun guys it's definitely real. yeah I was using lion's mane for a while. we use it with some of our clients we. don't use it with everyone.

but there are these things are real and. there's data and someone might say my. email you say well where's the research. I'm not going to get the research for. you it's it's in you have to look for. scientific articles it's all in the. National Library of Medicine that's. where I recommend people go you just. Google Pub Med that's the National. Library of Medicine where more than 8. 000 articles a day are uploaded. scientific articles and you can usually. find things for and against whatever. you're looking for but then you got to. be Discerning and say you know what's. going on here and then then maybe take.

that and talk to somebody everything is. about decision making that's the brain. what's best for me but as an idea yes. there's benefits to things like Ginkgo. and lion's mane and fish oils omegas and. um. you just go down the list vitamin D. that's not really for the brain yes it. is it does affect the brain if you have. low vitamin D levels it affects every. cell in the human body vitamin D because.

it's something that works on nucleus of. the cell so there's so much you want to. have those things in Balance some some. blood work specialized blood work and. tell you where you might be out of. balanced looked at by someone who. understands that in functional medicine. functional medicine and then having and. that's where that language is being used. in a lot of domains functional trainers. functional medicine functional neurology. because we're looking at how the. operation is rather than and trying to.

redefine that right right trying to. redefine that for people it's not just. how many times do you know people yeah. they looked at my blood work said. everything's fine. is it. because we use different standards. functional medicine the international. organization uses standards that are a. little bit more narrow so we can see if. your body's starting to Trend high or. low before it gets to a problem and and. fix that. through supplementation adding or. removing something or changing altering. so diet is really crucial to a healthy.

brain there's different approaches to. that it should be specialized to the. person based on what they're doing at. that point and what they need to alter. and my wife and I work with people on. that very much because it's integral. it's what you're doing every day it's. how you're restoring or not restoring. interesting is there. now I'm wondering what I don't know and. um so I take I take a mushroom. supplement I take multivitamin I take. greens is is there are there any.

supplements that maybe haven't hit the. mainstream that you think people need to. be aware of. good question. yes but I hesitate on saying that to. people because you know I think it's um. I think they're too specialized I don't. think everyone needs them. and that's what happens you say. something everyone jumps on that and. then 70 people are trying and 70 people. are saying how could you possibly say. that. I'll I'll mention to you off camera.

later like some of the things I do but. some of the things that I do which I. definitely would recommend is the. multivitamin the greens the Omega. supplement oh you know Omega-3s it's. really crucial uh I take something on. and off called quercetin corset. quercetin which is a bioflavonoid it. helps my body process things uh it's. really it's an antioxidant do I take it. every day I don't I cycle through and I. started taking something called n a uh n. m n n.

m n it's it stands for something it's. November of Mike November that's what I. needed to know and I didn't know the. proper nomenclature so I didn't want to. be a fool and say that. uh yes November Mike November okay so. it's a precursor to something called NAD. so a lot of people are doing IV vitamins. now I'm sure you've heard about that. glutathione. and NAD and all these things we do we do. not supply that in our Center but it's. recommended for a lot of people to do.

those things high vitamin C doses. actually we did that to help our immune. systems through the last couple years my. wife and I had done that intermittently. a handful of times but this nmn is the. precursor to NAD NAD is made by our body. and it has to do with it helps with. energy production in the body ATP. production so I recently started adding. that as recommended by a Dr Sinclair out. of Harvard to add that to my regime I'm. 59 almost 60. so I'm trying to manage. some of these.

these things that we know decline as you. age you know your testosterone declines. your your ability to produce ATP. declines right your collagen production. declines so yeah those are that that's. something I've been working on lately I. haven't I don't notice a lot and I I. coach people they say well I didn't. notice a change some things you're not. going to notice. you just know that I'm just ensuring I'm. plugging the holes in my nutrition by. doing these things and that's what we're. doing okay and other things you will. notice like Gaba.

you should notice it or you don't need. to stay on it. so some of these things the omegas the. multivitamin women should be on. multivitamins we know that why. and Men because they're telomeres the. end of their DNA breaks down faster when. they're under stress and they found with. multivitamin the University of. California San Francisco a simple. multivitamin started to increase the. telomere capping of these DNA so their. strands wouldn't break down so fast so. multivitamin probably a good idea. interesting probably not one you buy in.

your local you know cheapy cheapy cheapy. I never go cheapy cheapy and I don't you. don't need the most expensive okay as a. general rule of thumb. right you don't need to spend a. bazillion dollars on supplements and. don't buy the cheapest cheapest thing. for two dollars off of whatever because. you don't know how they're made all the. time and so just be diligent or Vigilant. okay that's the right word. let's move into dementia and Alzheimer's. or what causes that.

so we used to think. we being at large people in brain health. that it was plaques that developed first. actually years ago they thought it was. aluminum. not really that's that's good to know. but toxins are not good because we tried. that other deodorant. and I'm not interested I'm not doing it. yeah so it's it's not aluminum does that. mean that you should use aluminum. chlorohydrate deodorant I mean toxins. are toxins so if you can mitigate that.

reduce those in your life in your. lifestyle good good idea. so it's not aluminum building up in your. brain number one then it's these. different types of plaques and Tangles. but rather than going into the. pathophysiology real details of that. one of the things that is really key to. reducing your incidence of developing. Alzheimer's which is more prevalent in. women than men. which is really a terrible disorder that.

you just don't know anything around you. eventually. is blood sugar control. so Dr Andrew brettis Andrew dr bredesen. out of UCLA excuse me I mentioned him. earlier. he wrote a book on reversing Alzheimer's. and there's many different things in. there from stress reduction to diet to. things that help that you can do as a. person but they are. in an unofficial way saying in the. literature type 3 diabetes is early.

Alzheimer's. meaning when your blood sugar is out of. control for many years it creates an. inflammatory state in the brain. so we got to control our blood sugar. and when you walk around I just heard a. pediatrician the other day on a certain. radio network explaining the level of. obesity in children and young children. skyrocketing like 20 percent of the. population and the overweight was over. 50 percent so you have obese and you.

have overweight right over 50 percent of. kids kids and teenagers oh man so I mean. we got a big problem with obesity in. this country from Food Supplies types to. overeating to XY mini things but it's a. problem and that's creating not only. body image issues but all types of. internal issues we I know years ago and. I'm not going to quote it exactly but. we have on our top diseases that take.

people out. we have more self-induced ones that's. really where we are as a developed. Nation right heart disease drug things. that people do in their lifestyle that. contributes to them so we know that. that's not you know new but yeah we. really want to learn to control our. blood sugar. so looking at blood work maybe once a. year in these particular measures. your not only your glucose but your A1C.

which is you'll see it on commercials. all the time now and recently my wife. and I were watching we don't watch a lot. of TV but on occasion the you know the. drug commercials are on there. Pharmaceuticals and they were saying how. this drug in particular will alter this. which will affect your brain I've never. heard that before so it's becoming more. apparent and more in the culture the. issues of the brain and Neuroscience. right usually people perk up when. they're like oh the brain my brain tell. me about that so certain medications. which affect your dry for your appetite.

also affect things in your brain which. is where your drive comes from for. hunger and thirst and libido and satiety. and all these things. so we've got to control the blood sugar. you want to reduce your chance of. Alzheimer's control your blood sugar. that is definitely my recommendation. there are other things but if you don't. get that right. I think you really are going to increase. your odds that if you have the genetic. markers like women do that can be tested. that and you have a higher tendency for.

that and you have a blood sugar problem. you're you're going in that direction. okay right we do know that people who. sustain concussions even one have a. higher incidence of Parkinson's dementia. and Alzheimer's. okay from brain injury which creates. inflammation which damages tissue in the. brain which then doesn't make it work as. well. so in an oversimplified way. that can happen that's why we need to. understand what's going on in the brain.

and try to develop therapeutic. interventions whether it's natural. things or whether it's Pharmaceuticals. or whether it's therapies or whether. it's oxygen or what have you to improve. the health of that brain. because I mean it's my dad had dementia. he had a severe head-on collision in the. 70s down in the keys and was in ICU for. like a week wasn't supposed to survive. but survived and had a difficult time. after that. through life and I always thought I.

didn't know anything growing up I. thought it was because he had a. difficult upbringing and it was really. harsh and those type of things but later. I realized that was because my dad had a. really severe brain injury that's why. that's why I had the emotional swings. that's why he had early dementia that's. why he had those things that's why he. had the mood swings that's why there was. substances used because my dad had a. severe brain injury. oh. so I got to watch the whole course of. that.

I lived with them of course he was a. good guy he did the best he could now I. understand better right hindsight is 20. 20. now and then I got to see him pass. you know going through that and you know. just not I remember one time I was. trying to make him toast and I was like. Dad you know what this is. I know but I can't think of the word and. you know what this is the bread and the. toaster I just think of the word but. you know that's that was that process of.

of losing the ability to know what. things were. it was rough so remember my my first. question in the show was short-term. memory loss forgiven what you're saying. in the middle of saying it is are those. signs of early said Alzheimer's by. chance. I would say there are signs of a working. memory problem okay but I wouldn't go as. too far as say those are early signs of. Alzheimer's okay. a lot of people think that doing.

crossword puzzles or Sudoku or math. problems or or any types of these brain. exercises is gonna help reduce their. chances of dementia Alzheimer's is there. any truth to that. maybe that much that much okay I mean. someone else might argue the point this. is my opinion so time out my opinion is. those things can be good learning a new. language yes whenever you put yourself. into a extremely a a brand new.

environment to learn like you are not an. expert at all right so like I told you. my wife and I learning how about. Firearms recently I knew nothing so I'm. putting myself in an environment where I. know nothing my brain has got to light. up and work to be taught on how to do. this that is excellent for the brain. like you went into all of this that was. dramatically helpful for you I would say. in my opinion like this is not my my. understanding my wheelhouse but you. learned it all I think that was.

brilliant on your side and the more. hours you put in in learning like. something brand new going from novice. you know down your brain can really go. through changes so that would be great. the the other. more passive therapies. Sudoku crossword puzzles things like. that have benefit have benefit but you. know what has more benefit than those. exercise. there's more research that exercise and. moving the body improves brain function.

then all that other stuff stacked. together. wow really yes okay. what's the biggest input to the human. brain the body it's attached you feel. things everywhere that's input you sense. things pressure touch pain temperature. all that is input constantly going into. the brain. so if we can activate that we're going. to activate so much more of the brain so. when they put someone who's elderly with. maybe early dementia in a chair and they.

sit there and there's no stimulation yes. they're going to deteriorate very fast. but movement can start to activate the. brain more than just reading something. on a page. so I like movement it doesn't have to be. gym exercise it's got to be movement and. it has all different types of. concomitants it can be yoga movements. those positions affect different I have. a picture in our office on the wall of.

how different types of exercise affect. different brain regions. so exercise would be something I want. everyone to be moving. safely especially if they're elderly. safely being monitored carefully and. then developing what's the best for them. that's going to help them maybe if they. can't move very much because they're. older maybe it's isometrics remember. those. isometrics don't change the the joint. position so you're very low likely to. get injured but you stimulate things and.

by firing Pathways like that you start. to get more activity so my dad just as a. example. became non-verbal in a bed within a. month. and they said this is his condition Mr. Bagnell and my wife and I were like this. is not his condition this is because of. lack of stimulation over medication you. put them in a bed. so we got some physical therapy going. would you believe he was sitting up and. talking wow within a week are you. serious tossing a ball moving his arms.

yeah like it wasn't clear because he was. still having with his dementia but he. was communicating yes Dad you want you. want me to push you around. you know he could communicate before he. was like this and they're telling me so. movement activates the brain very. dramatically. now if someone has anxiety they don't. want to do high intensity intervals. maybe they want to do yoga. and I'm not a yoga instructor or. anything like that but I pushed back for. years against my wife a year oh no. that's not my thing I like weights I. like running and sprinting and higher.

intensity but when I did yoga I realized. oh that's what I need because it calmed. my brain down. slowed me down and we know that certain. types of yoga positions and maintaining. them not only the flexibility and all. that stuff can actually lower the. threshold in the amygdala which has a. lot to do with your fear response. and stress response so like I realized. oh that's what I really need but we like. to do what we're good at. and maybe we need to recalibrate that. and see maybe I need to do things I'm.

not so good at because that's going to. help my brain probably going to be. better for my overall development that's. fascinating so also just rewind them. real quick so learning you know it. doesn't have to be reading Sudoku. crossword puzzles all that kind of stuff. you could be going out and learning how. to shoot it could be new hobbies learn. how to water ski learning how to. yeah I don't know. whatever if you link movement and again. I'm going to quote Dr huberman that.

movement is the doorway into. neuroplasticity. so here's an example of what we do in. the office sometimes we have a timing. program on a computer where we put a. sensor on the hand or a mat on the floor. and a person may have to clap to this. this timing that they hear so it's just. a simple cowbell you know like the more. cowbell and they're listening to it and. they have to time that and they have to. clap and I'll get them working through. several sets of that whether it's right. hand on the thigh stepping with the left.

foot different combinations that require. a little bit of coordination. and then I'll have them go over to a. task that is on the on an iPad that is. cognitive. where they have to think. I'm driving their neuroplasticity with. physical movement it really gets the. brain opening up because you're like. whoa I'm moving my body I had to think. so much more. operating that firearm that I have to do. sitting at a table doing a crossroad. like I was like everything was lit up in.

my brain right all my physiology was on. the alert I was and what happens is you. secrete dopamine and when you secrete. dopamine You're Gonna Learn. so things have to be. somewhat. um folk that well to to have. neuroplasticity there's several factors. that need to be. you have to have a focused attention. that's sustained Focus attention that's. sustained. when you're shooting a firearm Focus. attention and sustained right so that.

was great for us. and it has it should be it should be an. environment that's enjoyable playful. that stimulates that kind of oh. so focused attention sustained a playful. or an up kind of environment you should. be having fun you should be trying to. have fun yeah fun I mean if you think. about it and when I was reading about. this I was like what do I have fun at. I don't I don't think I'd use that word. like I have fun. I mean my dear wife would say she has.

fun but it's not a word I think about I. go to the park to run am I having fun. I love the feeling of it I love the. stimulus I don't think it's like fun I'm. not like I mean it's just not the way I. Define it when I work out in my garage. in my gym is that fun I mean I love it. but it's not really fun. when I work in my garden which is really. wonderful to be outside expanding your. visual field that's very lowers the. threshold of arousal and.

is it fun for me so I have different you. know way to describe it but if you can. have an enjoyable environment of. something you're doing. and you can start by moving your body. you can start stimulating dopamine. and then you can layer on that something. cognitive like then I would give you a. focus a focus. um task like Sean come on over here okay. on this computer I want you to find like. remember the old maid where you turn. things that was called you turn over the.

cards you have to memory I'm going to. have you do that on an iPad after you. did all this movement with your body and. you're like I'm a little bit out of it. now okay come on let's try this now so. I'm layering on top after I've driven. dopamine now I'm going to have you use. that dopamine to focus on something oh. wow this is you know so how passive is. it are you driving dopamine doing it I. mean grandmothers are not kicking out. too much dopamine doing a crossword. puzzle I mean I'm just saying that like. my old image right. that's not much dopamine so cognitive. tasks are important but if you can open.

the window to to neuroplasticity through. the body movements and through getting. dopamine going and it has to have a. certain time amount this is the other. component to neuroplasticity sustain. Focus attention fun environment for a. certain amount of time. how much time. 7 to 22 minutes. when you get to the point of frustration. you ever play a musical instrument I. don't. my son tried to teach me twice. an homage to my son Zach okay so he.

tried to teach me twice to play the. guitar one day I left one actually one. lesson but hard on my fingers but that's. when you get frustrated with something. that's when you need to lean in. and that's where plasticity develops oh. good. this is all coming from Dr Huber and so. I may be quoting the time wrong but. right you're shooting baskets you're not. making anything you're gonna stop. but if you say I'm gonna hang in there. I'm going to hang in I'm going to adjust. something I'm gonna keep trying and I'm. going to keep trying and you're pushing.

and you're pushing a little bit and. you're pushing that's where you start to. push that dopamine out and you're. starting to develop new motor responses. the frontal brain and new and more. dopamine so I I can get this I can get. this that's where we most of us quit. so we have to press in we have to lean. in. and we can use our physical abilities if. we're younger to open the door to. neuroplasticity and we can layer on top. of that something cognitive maybe it's. attention maybe it's Focus maybe it's. emote a mood reduction I'm able to like.

go from a high state to a lower State. really quick if you can do that then you. start changing your brain. interesting so I had a friend he was a. he was a seal uh he's actually my best. friend he's also a was a phenomenal. hockey goalie and he used to do all. these it sounds very similar to what. you're talking about it used to be I. don't know what the hell he was doing. but if they'd be calling out numbers and. shapes and colors and he'd have to touch.

them as fast as he can and is it is so. you can I always thought you couldn't. improve the hand-eye coordination I. thought it was just something you were. born with no you can train it you can. train it you can improve it okay yeah. it's usually reaction time and that's. one of the measures or the metrics that. we use to determine brain injury. but we can also use it we say brain. injury brain injury because there's so. many people actually that have. injurious forces to their brain.

that they never get diagnosed because. they're pretty good like a child falls. off of monkey bars and they hit their. head well even our our uh grandson the. other day his sister was chasing wet. floor slip bam hit his head on the floor. on tile floor did he have a brain injury. he seems fine he was you know low-key. and everything he didn't have to go to. the hospital but it's an impact to the. brain that's what we know and in an. impact. especially at a young age. developmentally it's pruning he's he's a. little older than your son his brain is.

pruning maybe it disrupts a little bit. of the networks and maybe we don't know. that until he's 14. and now he has attention problems. we don't so this is one of the thoughts. it's like man I never really thought. about it the head the brain is. susceptible and we take a lot of things. to the head right especially if you play. sports yeah so yeah. um so he was doing things and you can. improve hand eye speed which is reaction.

time which is actually it helps prevent. falls in the elderly okay right because. if you're falling you get that hand out. there faster because usually if your. brain is slowing down you're very slow. to react and you're going to hit the. floor. and we know what happens when then you. get another head injury you break. something and it's always hard to. recover when you're. 60 or older okay you know. well let's take a quick break when we. come back I want to get into some of the. long-term effects that people are having. from covet sounds good.

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I want to get into. long-term covert effects so we've heard. all about the brain fog people are. claiming that you know this this is. lasting a lot longer than just. when you're actually sick with covid is. there any truth to this definitely. there's definitely truth you know people. are suffering pretty dramatically on. some levels very dramatically like. they're debilitated they cannot function. anymore and then you know there's a. there's a Continuum of people that have. some effects of long covid a little less.

and then people like myself I don't have. any long covet fortunately so I'm gonna. go back to the model for a minute. because why would people be having these. longer term effects of immediate. of immune things on the brain. the brain falls apart. so there the the viral of we know that. bacteria and viruses when we get an. infection it's going to create. inflammation that's part of the any. process.

covid is a stronger one of course right. so it's a stronger viral. situation and we know that there are. receptors for some of the proteins from. that virus in the brain stem. and in other areas of the brain. but there's a high distribution in the. brain stem so it tends to attack it more. okay so there is long covet again what. do we know we know there is this thing. called long covid it we know that it. does not matter if you had a mild case.

or a moderate or severe case that. doesn't dictate necessarily that you're. going to have long covet or not have it. it could have been a mild to moderate. case and you could develop long coveted. symptoms or continued symptoms like. chronic. and it could have been a severe case and. you don't have long covet so that's not. really defining whether you have it or. not it's what do you have now. what symptoms do you have now and so. they're quite varied okay some people.

have cognitive symptoms like brain fog. some people have cardiac symptoms like. tachycardia racing heart what do you. what do you mean brain fog like they're. just sluggish all day or what is what is. that so there's actually even research. to Define criteria what is brain fog and. so it's got a lot of different. components for different people but I. was just explaining to someone the other. day think about when you're when your. attention is high and you're very sharp. like okay that's not brain fog and.

what's the opposite of that like I'm. sluggish I can't quite get my thoughts. clearly together when I've gotten sick. in the past especially when I when I did. have covet a couple years ago it was. hard to think like that day remember I. had a fever I was not well so you said. well that's obvious yeah well that's it. imagine if that continues okay day after. day and you're like I I had a cup of. coffee I can't clear my I can't get. sharp. so that that would be the easy way to.

define it rather than like here's a list. of all the different possibilities of. brain fog but it's that lack of that. crisp sharpness of your mind. you're just like blunted. and it's like like a lot of people say I. need a cup of coffee or two in the. morning before I can get started that's. that's not that they have brain fog but. that's a good example. so when the brain stem gets attacked. because they have a higher ins a higher. number of receptors for that covid virus. some of the proteins on it that area is. what many times not only but many times.

drives long coveted symptoms because. this is that expensive real estate that. I talked about. it's controlling everything right when. we're a baby this is what we have in. here and this all develops later as the. brain develops much larger I mean we. have it but it's not fully developed oh. good right so it's all going to become. wired together and it's going to grow in. size from a baby to an adult but the. brain stem is running everything. all of your survival mechanisms all of.

that so the brain stem tends to get. attacked other areas of the brain are. affected and it can create long covet. what's going on neuro inflammation or. inflammation from an infection that goes. unchecked. right imagine an injury to the knee like. a model I used before and that. inflammation doesn't go down doesn't go. down six months you're like oh my. goodness this is not going away got to. get that inflammation down that's one. mechanism sometimes it's the.

inflammation. sometimes it's it's injury to some of. the tissues. from the inflammation. and that needs Rehabilitation which is. what people don't think about. they think about of course is there. medication I can use to help bring down. some of these symptoms. that's a reasonable thought I even think. that and then what they don't think. about which now I want to what I'm. presenting to you and this is you may. have to rehabilitate that just like a. knee that was injured.

I may need to do and that's obviously of. course you need to do Rehabilitation on. a knee that's repaired how do you. rehabilitate the brain stem that's what. we do in functional neurology we map out. what we need to rehabilitate is it the. right is it the left is it the top is it. the bottom. because why this is running all of your. systems your heart rate your blood. pressure blood flow throughout your body. it's sending projections up to the BR so. it's got everything balanced systems and. mechanisms so it's like Central to.

everything and people with long covid. often I would say higher than than 60. this is involved in the situation which. May respond well may respond well I'm. not going to be the answer to everything. right but it may respond well to. Rehabilitation for them among other. things that they are going to need to do. okay and we're going to see millions and. millions of cases just because millions. and millions of people were affected. are there any reports of people who are.

asymptomatic having long form covid. it wouldn't be asymptomatic there if you. have long covered you have symptoms okay. yeah I'm good how long is this lasting. is this. is this going on forever until somebody. treats it it may that's the problem wow. it may decrease on its own it may not. and again my thought is my consideration. and there's lots of research pouring in. on this and I have thousands of Articles.

or maybe a thousand articles already. that I've downloaded on this trying to. you know plow through those as as quick. as I can but. um. if something is injured in the physical. body again the knee is a good example we. we realize that Rehabilitation. strengthening stretching some kind of. therapy to rehabilitate is probably. necessary. so I'm hopeful that people will say. maybe Rehabilitation might be necessary. to help me recover.

because it's not a common thought. right I I don't believe it's a common. thought based on my experience and you. know people all over the country is if. you have a stroke. yes Rehabilitation people yeah of course. you need Rehabilitation but if you have. a concussion. not everybody understands what kind of. Rehabilitation. and then if you have an infection that. affects your brain that I think it's. it's the bridge isn't there in my. opinion I don't think it Bridges it like.

how am I going to rehabilitate that. that's what we're talking about today. that there are therapies that can. rehabilitate the brain stem or the. frontal lobe or the temporal lobe which. may improve their long-covered symptoms. reduce them so their brain becomes fat. uh less foggy their balance becomes. better their heart rate control becomes. better A lot of them develop something. called dysautonomia which is a really. long word it's the automatic system of.

the brain stem is dysregulated now they. can't control things like blood pressure. and heart rate and it's it's very. debilitating like imagine standing up in. your heart rate shoots up through the. roof. and those those people are showing we. treat a lot of people with dysautonomia. from long covet as a symptom man that. that would that's horrible it's it's. terrible I mean I had recently seen on. Twitter uh a long many many people just. their lives are totally changed because.

they can't function anymore and not. older people necessarily so you know. there's a reality to a lot of these. things we just need to kind of peel back. all the other things and say what's. really going on and how can we help. people how can we help people that's the. key yeah let's get let's move into. addiction so I've struggled with. addiction my wife has struggled with. addiction a lot of my friends have. struggled with addiction. just want to kind of talk to you about. addiction what's how are how are we. getting addicted to things especially.

things like social media like what's. going on in the brain there yeah I mean. big big part of humanity is that so. let's say this let's go back to the. model because it just helps give a. visual. so this is the side of the brain it's. the left side of the brain this is the. brain stem well right in here in the. brainstem the upper part is an area that. makes dopamine. and dopamine drives our desire for. things.

so if I fire that by dopamine is is. desire for things so and social media. context it would be like a desire to be. acknowledged. anything likes desire craving whatever. you want to call it but dopamine is more. basically it's going to be the the. motivation. right whatever you attach to that is. what's going to connect okay so I'm.

gonna I'm gonna use an example from Las. Vegas several years ago I got asked to. speak at a conference out there. most of the hotels when you come down to. the lobby are. casinos. and I didn't notice it the first day but. the next morning when I came down there. was quite a few people there at seven in. the morning. and a lot of the slot machines have. vertical. things that roll right or roll or move. vertical not the tables and things like.

that but I was noticing I watched it for. a few minutes I was getting a cup of. coffee. and I there's something interesting with. that. so our vertical eye movements are. controlled from the area that produces. dopamine. so vertical eye movements what else is. the vertical eye movements your phone. right what else your computer. but those gambling machines are vertical. eye moves that go fast.

and then I saw a lot of people smoking. so now you have nicotine firing up the. brain more coffee. more attention more firearm all those. things are going to drive dopamine. vertical eye movements are affect are. controlled by the upper brain stem. so in a way you could say I could drive. more dopamine production. and attach you to something or get you. addicted to something by using a lot of. vertical eye movements. in re and connecting that to something.

that's emotionally. charged. whether it's. whatever whatever image it is. it's emotionally charged so you're. you're emotional about I'm gonna win and. now you're driving dopamine the desire. and you have vertical eye movements and. all these things fit together and they. drive addiction. for sure okay let's say well what's the. what's the uh answer for us who didn't. were before phones. whenever we have that dopamine being uh.

surged and we attach it to something. emotional that we we want that's going. to connect. and if you and we know that uh certain. things drive more dopamine so cocaine. would drive a huge surge of dopamine. amphetamines huge surge of dopamine. and so you know different things have. have been measured like one fold. increase five-fold increase. 100 fold increase is an adrenaline dump. a dopamine dump not necessarily but.

they're usually connected okay yeah how. so because they're both preparing the. body for something. right but I can have more dopamine. secreted without moving my body around. the room at all. and I'm going to move that adrenaline. around I'm going to probably move my. body around but that that's harder to. say that they're separate I'd say if you. have a huge adrenaline push from. something you're probably getting a huge. dopamine Rush also okay reason I'm.

asking is a lot of. I've been told and and I believe it's. true that a lot of military guys coming. out of the military are to include. myself are addicted to a journal I know. I am addicted to a drug I would say. you're addicted to dopamine okay more. than adrenaline. right it's dopamine because that's the. it's the desire for it like I need that. I I have to move I have to go in that. direction we used to call them. Adrenaline Junkies right the bungee. jumping and all these things but it's.

the dopamine that's the thing that's. moving you towards your your what you. want. it's dopamine first so are we. subconsciously just going throughout the. day just. trying to find things that are going to. release dopamine well social media. actually that's bungee jumping that's. the thought is that we dopamine uh has. been said that dopamine will get you up. to move you to something. serotonin will not serotonin is I got it.

dopamine moves you towards something so. I I kind of flippantly say that dopamine. is what built Mankind in terms of. dopamine sounds like it's the drive it's. the drive so is dopamine. coming out when you when you want. something or when you receive it when. you start thinking about doing it. it's what's going to get you up and get. you out. okay going to look for something. whether it's positive or negative.

dopamine is the move is the chemical. that your brain produces that's going to. move you forward into action. because you want something you want to. go I want a water. dopamine is gonna you know it's not. gonna be much dopamine to get me up to. go get a thing of water but it might be. a lot more dopamine if I'm going to go. after something I really want. is dopamine harmful. it's completely made in our body but you. can push too much dopamine and become. addicted.

you're addicted to something but it's. actually that dopamine that you really. like what about serotonin. so. Always In Balance always in balance and. that's that's where a lot of the. treatment has gone to is treating it. because you have a chemical imbalance. right why aren't we addicted to the. serotonin release we're addicted to. we're obviously well they're connected. they are connected they're connected. okay yeah your your drive to get it and. then your satisfaction with getting it.

oh yeah that was good. right so they're they're connected. yeah how long do these last in your. brain when they're released uh different. half-lives I'm not even certain of those. anymore but not a long time not a long. time okay and then so with addiction. alcohol cocaine. what else what else were we talking. about these other addictions they're. real they're all releasing yeah more.

dopamine and so that's that's the real. addiction yeah it is what about heroin. oh yeah all addictions anything that's. driving the dopamine and it's been said. that it's it's the pursuit of that thing. that's really the big push of dopamine. the pursuit of it once you get it it's. gonna you know you're gonna cycle down. because you got it. so it's even before you do whatever you. do with that drug if it's a drug or if. it's gambling before you throw the dice. it's getting out to Vegas it's on the. plane it's in the car it's getting the.

casino it's that's where it's all going. going going going. taking you there and you throw the dice. you're like all right and then it's. maybe for the next win and maybe the. next win and now it keeps cycling up. okay but event but you can burn that out. those systems you can overrun them too. much and those because they're cells. that are producing dopamine they can be. overworked over stimulated and it takes. progressively more of whatever that was. to bring you satisfaction addiction.

okay do you. if you don't that's fine but do you have. any knowledge of why psychedelics is. are having such success in in treating. addiction I don't have any direct. understanding except based on what I. know I'd say the default mode Network. going back to that and the way it. changes its function and interacts with. other regions of the brain is probably. what's behind that.

okay. so again these networks touch a lot of. other areas in the brain and so I'm. talking about the upper brain stem. and so when you change the default mode. Network which is this big grouping of. neurons and areas it must have an a. direct impact on that mechanism okay. back to Long covet we had a conversation. last night at dinner and we had talked. about what we talked about but we also. you had also mentioned. that if somebody was on the Tipping.

Point yeah and then covet hit that. yes that was the the I took that from a. friend of mine in mental health and he's. just a wonderful guy and he said you. know if people were teetering with. alcoholism or teetering with some. problem OCD anxiety they're not really. teetering anymore now this is going back. right you know in that first year or so. and we saw everything went up anxiety. OCD uh domestic violence you know. alcoholism everything went up so yeah it.

pushed people over the edge that were on. the edge of some things hopefully some. of them have come back they've been able. to dial it down and get help but some. know we've seen more cases of OCD. in the past three years since covet than. we've seen in the combined 10 years. before. so it's telling it's telling that it's. been quite a stressor on on the world. and people in general for whatever. reasons illness politics money sickness.

fear it's just it's like I always think. about like a stove and all of a sudden. the heat got turned up on everything. and I'm not talking climate change I'm. talking about just the stress level in. the world in general just turn up so now. you're operating at a higher level of. stress among everyone and some people. handle it better than others. last thing I wanted to cover is in your. outline you've written we are three-part. beings Body Soul and Spirit I want to I. just want to talk to you about that can.

you explain that yeah. um it's important I I met a chaplain at. one of the hospitals the local hospitals. some years ago. and he said you know and he worked with. all all the Physicians if they were you. know interested in any type of help of. course he worked with the patients but. he said you know if we're only treating. the physical part of the person the body. as a physician we're missing two-thirds. I thought that was pretty telling. because medicine is rolling ahead you.

know and not to anyone's fault we just. know how things are it's it moves fast I. call it fast medicine I'm I'm for the. slow medicine movement if there's such a. thing like the slow food movement came. about out of Italy from fast food to. slow food farm to table making your own. food slow it medicine maybe needs to go. to the same way. because it's just rolls by you have this. take this you have this take that and. just listening to people getting into. what's going on trying to get to the. source.

but he said that that two-thirds of the. patient or the person is not being dealt. with I said well let's talk about that. the the soul and the spirit right so we. have the body the soul which is the mind. the emotions and the will and that's. where a lot of damage occurs in your. mind and we're talking about the mind. the mind is an emergent property of the. brain right out of my brain emerges my. mind and my thoughts. and your emotions right in the brain and. we actually know that the right.

prefrontal area of the brain of all. human beings is where the conscience is. really yeah because if you have an. injury there substantial enough injury. you lose all empathy for people it's. like gone and this has been documented. in a very old case actually a guy who. had a very bad injury and and how he. just changed completely and he was like. flat and like and so you you even see. this in criminal Behavior many times if. they're able to do scans on those people.

so you got the mind you got the emotion. and you got the will. all that stuff is brain related function. so that's that soul and that can really. get injured you go to to the Battlefront. you you have a difficult time at home. domestic violence you know all these. that's who we are that's our persona but. then there's this deeper part this. deeper part which is the spirit a lot of. people say those are the same I use more. of a Christian view on that and I. haven't always been I mean I was earlier. in my life I was as I told you I would I.

didn't believe I didn't believe in. anything I was like a teenager and I. didn't that wasn't my bag. and so. understanding the spirit is a deeper. part of the human being and there's so. many things that talk about that from. Spirit Airlines to you know a broken. spirit and you know you hear it all the. time they refer to so those in a way. need to be cared for. and that's what he was saying okay and I. appreciated that and I think you really. care for the physical body.

but you care for the person their soul. with empathy. right and that's goes by the wayside. especially if you're busy. like I just got to get this done. and then the spirit is a deeper. conversation and every human being my. belief is that every human being has a. spirit that's been born into us but most. of us don't really know how to operate. it. and if you don't know how to operate. something or you don't know its. operations you may not be able to really.

function with that very well. and so his perspective and it's my. perspective and you know it's whoever's. open if and if I sense the need so it's. not the first thing that comes out I'm. glad we end on that because. you know if if I've been through what. you and many of your colleagues have. been through. that would be something I would need. someone to help help me with I think. we all need to help each other it's not. like anyone's there but helping somebody. with that if they don't have that and of.

course some of the people on your show. that I've like okay I see because it's. the if it's the deepest part of you. and I can share something that. strengthens it. encourages it. and then that's something that you take. up like I took up or anyone took takes. up and I believe that. then that could really be very. beneficial for them to move forward yeah. because this is going down. this is eventually going down and this.

is going down eventually but not the. spirit that's going to be sustained. so that's the perspective on that and um. I think it's vital. if you if I don't say it then you just. you said all this great things and great. information but you dealt with the body. maybe you dealt a little bit with the. mind but you kind of left these other. very vital things of humanity. and so I I feel like that's so vital. thank you thank you for sharing that.

well doc do you have anything coming up. that you want to talk about or we didn't. talk about the Dolphins we didn't talk. about the Dolphins we need to talk about. the Dolphins I can't believe so let's I. cannot believe that I forgot I forgot it. too okay so the Dolphins and we're not. talking football we're not talking. football we're talking about a an animal. assisted therapy program that we. developed down in the Florida Keys. working with dolphins and it's probably. one of the ways we connected originally. so we developed land-based and.

water-based activities with the dolphins. to help restore brain function. and I'll tell you when we talk about the. soul and you get in the water and you. see those dolphins and you do some of. the Therapies in the water. it really nourishes your soul you just. feel. I mean it's my wife and she even more. but you just see them and you feel happy. you can't help it they look like they. have a giant smile and they're 400 pound. like puppy dogs and they look at you in. their eyes and you can tell and they're.

of course highly intelligent their brain. is very similar to ours uh and and even. larger in some regions and they use. echolocation to communicate or we are. visual creatures right human beings dogs. smell but bats and dolphins. echolocations their primary sense. so in the water they're constantly. echolocating on our clients. so we're training we're measuring. everything with our client we're. treating them on dry land then we have. time in the water with the dolphins and. we do again dry land brain training.

comparison comprising all these sweets. of therapies then more time in the water. with the dolphins and what we get out of. that is pretty dramatic changes with. some people. I don't want to say everyone because it. sounds again like oh yeah but it's. really an experience that can be. transformative for many people. because you don't get an opportunity to. do that very often and it we develop. specific in-water exercises with the. dolphin behaviors. that you do actually touching the.

Dolphins holding you know in direct. contact while they're Echo locating and. we had this one client that I shared. with you and your wife last night who. was dealing with seizure disorder and. we've had people with PTSD and. Asperger's and a variety of different. conditions but this woman with seizures. the dolphin would not leave the area of. her head when she's laying on her back. in the water just kept echolocating and. The Marine Mammal specialist who wanted. to move the dolphin away because it's. part of the therapy that we do she said. this dolphin will not move from This. Woman's head so what was happening there.

I mean we have recordings from. hydrophones we know there's a lot of. echolocating going on. this woman had a pretty transformative. experience is remarkable. so yeah that's something that we have on. an individual one by one basis now so. that's incredible it's really something. so you. in your mind are you. sure that that dolphin knows you know. something's going on in that part of the. brain I'm almost 60. I'm not sure of. anything.

really I'm not sure this is what I think. I and they've said that before they've. The Marine Mammal special spend. countless hours caring for these. Dolphins like they're their children so. this is not like a show this is these. are these people care for these Dolphins. because people get upset by that they. get bothered sometimes so you know these. Dolphins were all rescued Dolphins some. of them former one of former Navy. dolphin. and so these these dolphins are all. cared for like as well as people's. children they love these Dolphins these.

animals they take care of them and. they're so intimate with them that they. say we have people that they will stay. closer to and we find out later that. they have had X Y and Z conditions when. they're doing other work with them. because it's not just limited they're. not my dolphins. so dolphins do that they have a certain. connection like a horse like. hippotherapy animal assisted therapy. very connected to people or dogs of. course we know that how connected they. are and you know they have a soul so.

there's some kind of connection but I'm. not certain of anything. but that's what I think is going on and. it's dramatic and it's wonderful and if. I could do it all the time that's what I. would do do you have any idea how they. would know that. echolocation yeah I mean I can tell. things by seeing like you they can tell. things internally by echolocating goes. right through your tissues wow so yeah. that echolocation is such high. frequencies uh that it can it can. determine what's going on and so they're.

I mean they're extremely sensitive to. changes in the environment and things. very interesting yeah I I cannot wait to. get down to Miami and pay you guys a. visit well we will welcome you with open. arms I'm really excited I'm really. excited to come down there about. in uh and and pay you guys a visit but I. just want to say thank you so much for. coming on I just learned. I'm gonna have to watch this three or. four times to take it all in but um.

thank you for giving us all the. knowledge and and it's just a real. pleasure to interview thank you my. pleasure such an honor and um all your. all your links everything will be posted. down at the bottom in the description. and um So for anybody looking to get in. touch with Dr Bagnell. head down to the description. everything's there thank you very much. wish you the best of luck thanks. appreciate it. [Music].

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