Dr. Diane Hennacy - The Shocking Link Between Autism, Telepathy & Time Travel | SRS #236

[Music]. Diane Hennessy, welcome to the show. >> Thank you. Pleasure. >> I've been looking forward to this one. So, we're going to talk about all of. your research that went into the. telepathy tapes and and then we started. going down more and saw that you were. into some of the researching some of the. ESP, remote viewing, your book, you. know, and all that stuff. And I've. interviewed a bunch of these guys and.

women. Angela Ford, Joe McMonagle, Shawn. Webb, Skip Atwater, uh Edwin May. If I'm. forgetting anyone, please forgive me, but but we've been on a roll with this. and it's just something that caught my. attention about. probably about 2 three years ago. And uh. just a fascinating subject. So, I'm. really excited to to have to have you. here. So, thank you for coming. >> Yeah, thank you. >> But, um, all right, so everybody starts.

off with an introduction here. >> Ready? Let me know if I'm missing. anything. I'm sure I am. Dr. Diane. Hennessy, a John's Hopkins trained. neurossychiatrist with over 30 years of. clinical experience, served on the faculty at Harvard Medical. School, a member of a think tank on. human consciousness at the Sulkq. Institute. What is the Sulk Institute? >> It it's an institute that it's a. scientific institute in San Diego. >> Okay.

>> That Yeah. Yeah. A lot of famous people. have been there. Named after Jonah Sulk. >> Okay. An integrative medical doctor, psychotherapist, and public speaker who. bridges rigorous science with. explorations of extraordinary human. abilities, including psychic phenomena. author of the ESP Enigma, the scientific. case for psych for psychic phenomena, a. book that examines the neuroscience. behind ESP and telepathy. A pioneering researcher known for.

studying telepathic communication in. non-verbal autistic individuals and. savants. a co-founder of Human Rights. Initiatives, a student of ancient wisdom. traditions, and an advocate for. expanding our understanding of human. potential through evidence-based. inquiry. The primary expert whose. research was featured in the Telepathy. Tapes podcasts. Am I missing anything? >> Oh, there's there's a lot more. I mean, I've I'm also done a lot of work in.

PTSD. >> Have you really? >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, man. Well, we should definitely talk. about that cuz we talk about that more. than any other subject on the show. >> Oh. >> So, yeah. You know, when I started this, it was all um I don't know if you know. much about me. I was a former Navy Seal. NCA contractor. And so, when I started. this, I was bringing on all my. colleagues and talk about their life. stories. And we always we always end. with with getting over PTS, traumatic brain injury, stuff like that.

And we we explore lots of different. avenues um to. to try to get out of that out of that, you know, pattern. And um so yeah, I. would love to chat with you about that. stuff at the end. What got you into uh. PTSD? >> Well, when I first went into private. practice, autism was so rare. that when I, you know, hung my shingle. and that, you know, I'm a. neurossychiatrist with expertise in. autism. um there wasn't enough of it to.

fill my practice. But what happened was. is that there were all of these women. who had been sexually abused as children. who were really frustrated by their. experience with the psychiatrists that. they were seeing, who didn't really. understand their, you know, really. didn't understand why they were so. traumatized and and just wanted to. medicate them. And I quickly gained the. reputation as somebody who would. actually.

approach them with compassion and care. and and really try to help them. And so. what happened is is that I became an. expert on severe trauma because I mean. some of these women had their their own. parents um sort of sending them off to. have sex with. >> with strangers. I mean, you know, you. know, basically pimping them out when. they're three, four, five years old. >> And that's such a betrayal.

>> that they it it's really we can we can. live with the trauma from a natural. disaster like a hurricane that comes. moving through or an earthquake because. we, you know, we, you know, that doesn't. really, I mean, it traumatizes us to. lose. >> lose loved ones and etc. But when you. have a trauma that's a betrayal by. someone that you. innately are are supposed to be able to. trust.

it. It it it it's just such a deep. wound. And so I started working with. these women and created a program for a. women's center in Chula Vista. >> Man, good for you. and really helped. tremendous number of women and um. stopped doing that when insurance. companies started altering inpatient. psychiatry and they started just wanting. it to become more like a revolving door. and I said no I'm not going to have my. name attached to something that is not.

you know consistent with the kind of. values that I have I mean I will only. put my name on something that is um. top-notch but what happened was is that. I had this expertise in PTSD. And I was. approached by somebody who asked me if I. would help create a program for. survivors of torture um incorporated in. San Diego. And that was that they were. just starting up. And so I agreed to. help them with their program. And we.

worked with asylum seekers and refugees. from all around the world, including. people who were from the genocide in. Burundi and Rwanda, the lost boys of. Sudan, um human rights activists who had. been tortured in Islamic countries like. Iraq, um etc. And then um in addition to that, I also worked with uh people who were. veterans from all of the different wars. And and I didn't do that at survivors of.

torture. I did that just in my own. private practice because there were a. number of people who were veterans who. were not getting their um their benefits. because there was such a long waiting. list for them to to be evaluated by. somebody could could evaluate them for. traumatic brain injury and and PTSD. And. so I I agreed to to do that as an. independent contractor. So I I' I've.

heard it all pretty much. Wow, you've. explored some serious dark territory. >> I have. Yes. >> You know, I mean, we're gonna get into the telepathy. stuff, but um but you know, I've. interviewed countless I didn't realize. how prevalent sexual abuse was, especially in kids, until I started this. show. And like I mentioned, we we do a. lot a lot of life stories here. And you.

know, some of them have come out on the. show and said it. Some of them have told. me after the show that things have. happened when they were kids and and. they didn't want that out there. And. I'll bet it's close to 50% of the people. I've interviewed have experienced some. sort of sexual trauma as a child. Now, you're talking about 3 to 5 years old. So, what I want to ask is if if if there. are any, which it doesn't sound like. I. mean, if somebody's going to pimp their. kid out like that, it's going to happen.

multiple times. But, you know, is is. have you worked with anybody that had a. single experience at that age, you know, an unfortunate experience like sexual. trauma in a single experience? And if you have I mean do they rem do. they obviously they remember that but I. mean. >> well I've I've worked with people who've. had. the single experiences as a teenager.

>> As a teenager. >> Yeah. Yeah. The ones that had the. experiences when they were really young. It generally was a repeat experience. Um. >> is that their first memory? Uh, I. wouldn't say it's their first memory, but I'd say it's their most vivid. >> Man, that's sad. It. >> It's very sad. And And what happens is. is that it it makes it really really. difficult to have. normal relationships. >> Yeah, I see that a lot a lot with with.

with. women that have been through something. that like that who are adults now. and. they it seems like they get attracted. almost to the. to that type of a p to an abusive type. person. >> Absolutely. I mean, it's it's really. been something that I've observed over. and over again where there'll be these. women who were sexually abused as a as a.

a child and then they marry somebody who. ends up sexually abusing their own. children and yet they when they marry. this person they don't have any. suspicion at all that this person would. do that. Somehow, somehow they it's like. people can be like a magnet almost. >> like telepathy like some type of. telepathy some type of communication. that they don't even understand that's. happening. >> Well, it what's interesting is that.

yeah, it's almost like people have a. radar. that system that's unconscious. I mean, like they say that, for example, if you had a party with a bunch of. people in it that were single, that that. the sadist and the masochist will. somehow find one another. >> The what? >> The the the So, somebody who's a. massochist and and the person who's. sadistic, they will somehow find one. another. It's it's it's as though. they're um like two opposites, you know,

two ends of that polarity are really on. the same continuum. And somehow they they they it's like. they gravitate towards one another. I. mean a similar phenomena is that like I. noticed when I was doing inpatient. psychiatry. that people who were people with the. same diagnosis would gravitate towards. one another and you could if you had. like a mixed unit. you would find that people who for.

example were depressed would be they'd. find one another and they'd be talking. with one another and the people who had. a personality disorder they'd be with. one another and the people who were. schizophrenic they'd be talking with one. another and people who are Bible, they'd. be talking with one and what you that. sort of birds of a feather flock. together kind of a phenomena and so. there's there's some there's some kind. of unconscious process in which people. are just. attracted. >> wow. >> and attract to them and I think that the.

solution to that is for us to really. explore our unconscious because if you. can take that which you're not conscious. of and bring it to conscious awareness, then you have more mastery over it and. you don't you you don't fall into some. of these old traps that you do if you're. just sort of ignoring something or you. you never even um allow it to enter your. awareness.

>> Two questions to come out of that. One. is about generational trauma. We'll get. to that in just a second. Um but you had. mentioned exploring the unconsciousness. How how do you do that? >> Well, one of the ways is to keep a dream. diary because our dreams are really our. unconscious talking to us. >> How so? I mean, I've had some wild. dreams. >> Wild dreams that make no sense. or you.

know when I dream. I'm fascinated with dreams. I don't. dream a whole lot but. I mean so what is a dream? I mean, you. know, you have these dreams and it's. it's like one minute you're in a street. fight and then the next minute you're. eating pizza with your family and then. the next minute you're I don't know on. vacation. going to sp like what I'm kind of saying.

is you get these you get these dreams. that seem to last sometimes they seem to. last all night and then but you can't ex. when you try Like when I tried to. describe it to my wife, I'm like, I. don't know how we went from this. scenario. with these emotions to something. completely different and a whole another. scenario with a whole different set of. emotions and to I mean, you're happy, you're angry, you're sad, you're.

sorry, dreams that maybe I don't know, you got. in a fight with your wife or your wife. cheated. cheated on you or I mean or. you're mad at your kid. I mean it's what. I'm saying is you get like this movie if. you will in your dream but the it. doesn't flow and so it's all these. different subjects and emotions and. scenarios that all happen within one. dream. Why does that happen?

Well, it's during our dreaming state. that we're really trying to process. emotions and lay down memory. And so when you're, for example, some. people have recurrent dreams, and I pay. a lot of attention to somebody's. recurrent dreams because that's. something that you're really really. trying to work through. And dreams are some people's dreams are. more transparent. they're they're it's.

more obvious what what the dream is. really about if you apply it to, you. know, what's going on in their waking. life. But other people's dreams are more. encoded in symbols. And the more deeply. encoded they are, the more it is that. the person can't really face it face on. And so it's like you're you're you're. you're dealing with it in code first. And then and then as the layers come. off, you're able to to to see more about. what the dream really is about.

>> Could you go into a little more detail. on that? I mean, how do you decode a. dream? >> Well, it's it's something I've done as a. skilled psychotherapist. Um, how do I. decode it? Um. when I when I when I listen to the. dream, I want to know what emotion has first of. all, what emotion came up in the dream.

Okay. So, so you know, let's say. somebody said, you know, oh, I felt. really sad or I felt really scared. And. I'd say, "Okay, what is there anything that's going on. in your life that's that feels or that. you've been thinking about lately that. feels at all like that emotion? I mean, you know, that that that that would be. an echo of it." And they say, "Oh, yeah. uh you know I um yeah I had this anxiety. dream and I'm yeah you I'm feeling a. little anxious in my new job or you know.

I'm feeling a little anxious because my. wife isn't acting the same way and I'm. wondering if something's going on or you. know so and then and then you just keep. exploring that and and and and. you you get into. what what could what what in your life. is similar to this and Then it it it. just takes you down this pathway where. you start to realize, oh, now you're thinking about this, but.

actually your dream is about something. that happened to you before. So let's. say that a person has an a dream in. which they're very anxious. They say, "Oh, I've been wondering if my wife's, you know, having an affair." And then. you get into, "Oh, this person was. married before and their wife did have. an affair." And then you start to unpack. that and and so it it's and there's. certain things that become um.

you know just become obvious that that. that that's what they are. I'm I'm. trying to like like an example of a. dream um for like you know there was a. time in my life when I would have a. dream in which I'm driving a car and the. brakes don't work. >> Okay. Mhm. >> Now, that is a dream where it just feels. like you don't have control over your. life. It's like, well, what's going on. in your life that you don't feel control. over? That's that that's a good example. >> Okay. Yeah. It's it's just interesting. cuz I I have like and you know I have.

like zero fear that my wife is going to. cheat on me but it's just and that's. just one example but I may have a dream. where I lost my son at the store and I. think he got kidnapped or I have a dream. where. one of my best friends killed somebody. and am I going to help him hide the body. and or you know what I mean? Like it's. just like wazoo that just pops in. my head and it's like what does this. have to do with anything? Like I I don't.

have a fear of that. I don't know why, you know, I had a dream about somebody. kidnapping my kids at Walmart. It it may be to some extent it may be. that you're trying to process things. that aren't so that aren't personal. In. other words, you know, we're we hear in. the news all the time about these horror. stories. And so then what happens is is that you. know there's this human tendency to then. try that on. you know it it you know as a way of just.

trying to reconcile that we live in a. world in which these kinds of things are. even possible. And so it's sometimes our. dreams are like a rehearsal. It's s it's sort of we're trying it on. so that in case something like that did. happen that we feel prepared for it. It's like you you're you're a former. Navy Seal. You you had to try on. scenarios scenarios in your training. >> for combat. >> And so so some of these things may be.

just it's not that you have a fear of. it. It's that you. you you acknowledge that we live in a. world in which those kinds of things can. happen and that you have a need to feel. prepared. And what's fascinating is that. dreams. often times are places where people who. normally aren't psychic or don't. consider themselves psychic can actually. have these experiences that are. precognitive or telepathic. And I.

remember reading this account once of. this dream that somebody had in which. they were working in a they worked in a. chemistry lab and their eyes that a. chemical went into their eyes and it was. going to destroy their eyeballs unless. they went over into the get their eyes. washed. We we we had these uh uh places. stations where you would go in case. something like that happened. and he had. a dream of that happening to him and.

then. recurrent dream of that happening to him. and then years later when it happened he. he was able to. get to the station faster because he had. already rehearsed it in his mind. >> Wow. Do you think that I mean do you. think that some dreams are a. representation of your true self? And so. where I'm going with this is is. I'll just bring up some more examples. I'm just curious of your thoughts, but I.

mean, you know, when I was in the teams. and contracting for CIA and all this. other stuff, I mean, I would have dreams. where we'd be in the middle of a. gunfight and I would rise to the. occasion and I would be, you know, doing. everything I'm supposed to do, heroic. actions, all this other stuff. And then. I might have a dream where I cower away. and I I wake up and I'm like ashamed of. myself or, you know, or it could be a. street fight where, you know, I um one.

dream I. I don't know, defend my family, you. know, from some type of an asalent. And. then I may have another dream where. it's, you know, not the exact same. scenario, but it might be a similar. scenario. and I didn't defend them. And. I'll wake up from some of those feeling. either proud of my actions or ashamed. And if it if I'm ashamed, then I'm like,

you if I wake up and feel ashamed from. it, I'm like, man, is that that's not. who I am. Or it could be anything. It. could be, you know, it could be, I don't know, a dream where you do. something bad and and and then and then. you think, oh man, am I I don't I'm not. capable of doing that to somebody. Why. would you know I've never have done. anything like this to somebody you know. and and I always would like to think. that yeah I'm going to stand up for my.

family or for my friends or for my you. know when I in my other life you know my. former colleagues and and battle and so. I mean so where I'm going is do you. think do you think dreams are a direct. representation of who you are. >> in in this case about you I would say. you must have a very very highly. developed super ego. And what I mean by. super ego is your your conscience.

You're you're somebody that holds. yourself to very very very high. standards. And so part of how we hold ourselves to. high principles. is that it's this it's criticism, reward, criticism, reward. It it's like. you you you you. so what you're doing is it's like you're. you're being hard on yourself to keep. yourself in line and and you and you. would never you would never do some of. the things that you feel shameful about.

in your dreams. You would never do those. things in your waking life. And part of. what keeps you along that sort of. straight and narrow is that. you're always reminding yourself of of. how you would feel if you didn't and it. keeps you on task. >> Interesting. Interesting. So is it So. it's like your subconscious.

>> That's what I mean. It's your. unconscious. It's more it it's your. unconscious. that is, you know, that's at play here. That's why I was saying that dreams are. really about our unconscious. >> Interesting. Interesting. All right, let's go to generational. trauma and or or cycles, you know, back. to back to kids that have been, you. know, had horrific traumatic events. happen, you know, sexual.

sexual abuse, physical abuse. I mean, how does somebody break that cycle that. plays in their head over and over and. over? Well, one one of the things that's. interesting about generational trauma is. that. people can have. that they can express it without ever. having been exposed to. the generations that actually had the. experiences. So what I mean by that is.

that there are individuals who were. adopted who were the. children and grandchildren. of people who were in the Holocaust. And even though they were adopted at. birth, had no, you know, exposure to. parents who were traumatized by what. happened, the child was anxious from the. get-go. And one of the theories about what this,

you know, what what the cause of this is. or how this happens is is that there's. epigenetics. as a result. We inherit not just our. genes, we inherit. um the control switches for the genes, you know. So, so the the genetics the. the the genes that code for proteins are. only about 10% of our chromosomes. The. other 90% of our chromosomes. are.

thought to be what really controls the. expression of those genes. And so. certain genes can get turned on and get. turned off. And so what's what's. happening there is you're you're. inheriting. this sort of, you know, for lack of a. better word, it's almost like a memory. without it having like, you know, an. actual memory. But I mean, you're you're. inheriting that. Well, the good news is. that we can do things to turn back on. genes that were turned off and turn off.

genes that were turned on. We we can. alter the epigenetics. >> You can do that. >> Oh yeah. We can we can we can do that. Absolutely. I mean that's. our you know things like our diet things. like uh um psychotherapy. you know things like um you know just. doing meditation doing you know doing. all of these different sort of practices. actually.

changes our epigenetics. and we can then pass that down to the. future generations. It's it's one of the. reasons why I think it's so important. for people to really um. undergo healing of themselves so that. they don't pass the things down because. even if you're really being careful. about what you say or what you do etc. Uh our our children if we haven't really. worked on certain things they they they.

still can inherit some of what um what. we've you know haven't processed yet. Interesting. Interesting. And. go. Another random question about. autism. You know, you had mentioned that. at the beginning of your practice, you. were really focused on autistic uh. people and that there wasn't there. wasn't enough of that to fill your. practice. Well, I don't know when that.

was, but let's fast forward. You know, it seems like. I wouldn't say autism is exploding, but. the numbers have gone up. Is that is. there something that we as a species is. doing wrong or is it an overdiagnosis or. or. have doctors picked up on other on on. signs that are is the spectrum widened, you know, to to where, you know, there's.

different levels now? I mean, what why. why do why are we seeing this rise? And. >> well, well, when I first started. studying autism, which was back in 1986, 1987, it was only about 1 in 10,000. children. And now it's 1 in 30. >> One in 30. >> One in 30. >> Wow. And what we have to realize is that our. brains are still developing.

throughout childhood. >> Mhm. >> And we've introduced all of these. artificial factors into our world. without having really studied what. effect they might have on brain. development. Everything from an. increased. C-section rate, ultrasound during pregnancy, changes in the diet which change the.

microbiome which we know plays a huge. role in neurotransmitters. Also, we've introduced all of these um. you know, Wi-Fi and you know, various. electromagnetic fields that are that are. not natural to the earth. Um there's all of these chemicals. I. mean, when babies are born, there's there's tens of thousands of. chemicals in the umbilical blood.

And so, they're being exposed to all. these chemicals. And one of the things. that a lot of people don't realize is. that the placenta does not filter out. chemicals. It actually concentrates them. in the fetus. Just one of the reasons why I'm a big. proponent of women who want to become. pregnant. undergoing some kind of just cleansing, you know, some kind of detox. I mean,

it's not it's not really enough to just. not take anything during your pregnancy. I mean, you you really need to, you. know, all of the um beauty products, you. know, nail polish, you know, makeup, you. know, all of these just artificial. chemicals, we absorb them through our. skin. >> Mhm. Uhhuh. >> And and so I I think that. it's it's really. um it's a matter of um you know, we've. got we've introduced a lot of things. into the world that are um there's no.

putting the genie back in the bottle, okay? And and so what we need to do is. we need to find ways in which we can. optimize our health. and and and keep those things that we. feel are essential and those things that. are not essential such as like for. example the use of glyphosate and so. much of our our our agriculture. I mean. you know that that's that's a known. toxin. >> Mhm. >> And and and it's not only toxic to our. system but it also is toxic to our gut.

bacteria. So, so anyway, so that there's. just um there's so many factors that uh. are at at play here and it's one of the. reasons why it's been hard for anybody. to pinpoint that it's you know it's one. single factor because it's really. probably multiffactorial. >> So it's it's not overdiagnosis. >> No, it's definitely not overdiagnosis. No. Do you.

do you think that there are aspects of. autism that are a gift? >> Absolutely. >> What are those aspects? >> Well, one of one of the things is is. that people who are autistic have a. different type of cognitive. uh process. um they tend to be really superior. pattern recognizers which is you know.

they're able to connect the dots they're. able to see the associations the of. things um and some of them are visual. spatial thinkers so they're able to. process things and once again it's. relational but it it's it's it's. different from pattern recognition so so. an example would be so people who are. visual spatial thinkers make great. engineers they can design something in. their mind and manipulate it within. within their mind before they even build.

it. They can, you know, sort of debug. all the, you know, all of the problems. Nicola Tesla was somebody who could do. that. And so that type of thinking is. extremely. efficient at solving a lot of problems. versus verbal thinking which is what. most neurotypical people are is they. they think in words, they think in. language. And the problem with language.

is it's very linear. and it also can be very very circular. So you just go and looping around in the. same thoughts. The other thing about. language is this language can also be. very deceptive. We can talk ourselves. into or talk other people into believing. something that really isn't true. >> all through language. Whereas with these. other processing styles, you know, the. the rightrained processing styles, it's. it's more that you just it's more like.

pure perception. It's more of a that. you're and and it's harder to be. deceived. because you can just you you you you're. you you you're seeing how things plug. into everything else as opposed to just. following a um a sort of a linear logic. train that that that somebody is leading. you to to wherever they want to lead. you.

Then those are just some of the gifts. And then and then there are many other. gifts. I mean many of the individuals. that I've worked with who are autistic, they there there's a purity about them. There's an honesty about them and there. is a deeply spiritual aspect to them. So. so there's many many gifts and and many. of the mothers of these children. are are delighted that they they have an. autistic child. They they they really um.

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appear to be very much so on that type. of a spectrum where I mean you look at. something like have you ever seen that. movie the big short. >> I think his name's Michael Barry he's. the one that called the 2008 a crash of. the the market, the economy. >> And I mean, you look at, you know, in. the movie, it looks like they portray. him as somebody who would definitely. fall on the spectrum, but and I mean, you know, for somebody is just and. everybody thought he was crazy, you.

know, and then bam, market tanked and. it's like, the guy was right. But. I mean, you see it all over the tech. world and it just seems like, you know, some of the the most uh fascinating. innovators. in the world all seem to kind of fall in. that type of category. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of funny because. when I was in college, there were the um. sort of the engineering types that were, you know, they were called, you know, nerds, you know, and they had the, you.

know, pocket calculators and, you know, they were, you know, kind of people made. fun of them. And then what? Well, those. are those kinds of people are now the. crypto billionaires. >> I know that's. >> and have have all of these gorgeous. women, you know, they're just lining up. to be with them. So, you know, it's talk. about revenge of the nerds. [Music]. It's a good way to put it, but it's it's. um I mean it's an interesting very. interesting subject to to kind of. dissect. And so I mean and you were.

talking about language and. I remember when I interviewed I mean. language seems to be a very inefficient. way. to communicate. >> Absolutely. I mean I think that's one of. the reasons why more and more people are. losing their tolerance for reading. They'd rather watch a podcast like this. I mean, I had a conversation with Joe. Mcbon about, you know, >> how does this happen? How does how does.

remote viewing, ESP abilities, how do. they come about, >> you know, and he's I think he had. mentioned that he thinks that we all. have it, >> but. we all can't tap into it. And so he went. on and and this is just a theory, you. know, I don't think there is any science. behind this, but but he did bring up a. good point and he talked about at the. beginning of humanity, he's like there. was no language. He's like, if you look. at animals, they're able to communicate.

extremely efficiently. um without words. And he goes, you know, at the beginning, this is how we communicated was body. language. It it was you really wouldn't. have to do much. Maybe grunt, point at. something, you know, but you could read. each other and communicate a lot more. efficiently. And then when we started. traveling in groups and that it would. be, you know, then we started to.

introduce language and he goes, "Language is actually a very inefficient. way to communicate. there's a lot of uh. opportunities for miscommunication or or. you know you insert sarcasm and all this. other stuff and and um and I I just. found that to be very interesting and. and you know he went on to go you know. through tech through social media we're. looking at a phone we're looking at a TV. he's like we're not accessing you know. everything that our brains were meant to. do. Um and it's been you know kind of a.

If you look at a graph, you know, he's. like it goes down, you know, and so I'm. just curious what what your thoughts are. on that. >> Oh, absolutely. That language. So, so. one of the things that I think plays a. huge role in why these autistic. individuals that I do research with, why. they're so telepathic, is that they.

underwent a regression. Most of them. underwent a regression between the ages. of one and two and a half years old, right when they were acquiring language. And that's also the time period when we. undergo. developmentally individuation. separation. In other words, you know, you you people talk about the terrible.

twos, the terrible threes and and part. of that is because you have that the the. toddler is trying to assert their. independence from the parent and they. say no to everything even if it's. something they want, right? you know, and so it's because they're just. wanting, they're testing out their. ability to just to have free will. And so what happens though with these. autistic individuals is that they.

regress during that time period when. they're acquiring language and they're. becoming more autonomous from the. parent. And so they become more and more. dependent upon the parent for a lot of. basic needs. And so they never go. through the separation. that. those of us who are neurotypical go. through. And so they stay in kind of more of a. shared consciousness.

with with th with the family members. And I believe that we're all born. in that shared consciousness and that. that's part of how we acquire language. in the first place. I mean, if you think. about how magical it is that these a. young child can pick up language. and. know, you know, know what it is that.

people are talking about. I mean, it's. really quite remarkable. I mean when you. when you meet some of these children. that um you know there are some children. that at the age of two they can speak in. full paragraphs. and it's like how do you take these. sounds that you hear. and the sounds you know from everybody. sound slightly different because we all. have different voices people have. different accents etc. How do we take. that and convert it into actual.

concepts? So I I think what happens is. is that we we all have that shared. consciousness so that we pair. those sounds and the you know the the. patterns within them which is you know. the information we we pair that with. whatever it is that the person who's. speaking is thinking and then as we. develop language. then we you know that the telepathy goes. underground. and It's really more of our default kind.

of, you know, proto language, if you. will. One of the things that's interesting is. that if you look at brain development, when we're born, there's a pathway for language that's. intact. That is what the pathway that's. called the ventral pathway. that's involved in the understanding of. language. And it's not until we're seven. years old that we've completed the.

development of the dorsal language. pathway, which is the the pathway that. enables the expression of language. And. and that's the pathway that gets. disrupted in these children who regress. during those first couple of you know. first few years of life. And that pathway is connecting the front. of the brain in an area called Broca's. area which is the expression of. language. It's also and the expression. of language is not just speech. It's. also the ability to write or type. Um.

it's also the area of the brain that's. involved in the use of tools. And so by having that that not get. hooked up to the part of the brain. that's involved in the understanding of. language, it makes it hard for people to. express what they already know in these. individuals. Now what's interesting is. that. the and this is all in the left.

hemisphere that that's that's basically. that you know the language is for most. people right-handed people especially it. it's encoded in the left hemisphere. What's interesting is that one of the. reasons why I thought that autistic. individuals might be the ones most. likely to. show us that ESP is real. Is that I. realized that their brain activity when. they're in their waking state is more.

similar to our. functionality when we're in dreaming. sleep. And as I mentioned earlier, often. times people can have psychic dreams who. aren't otherwise psychic. And if you. look at the. you know what what's going on the. activity in the brain during dreaming. sleep what you'll see is that the right. hemisphere is dominant and the left. hemisphere is quiet and the frontal loes. are quiet. and in children our frontal loes aren't. as fully hooked up to the rest of the.

brain. Okay, which is why you know like. you know we're all kind of add when. we're little because our frontal loes. aren't hooked up. So we don't have. impulse control or we can't think of the. consequences. And in these autistic individuals, they have all of these right hemisphere. skills. As I mentioned, the their. cognitive processes are more right. hemisphere-based. and and a lot of savant skills are right. hemisphere and their deficits are left.

hemisphere language. And so so they have. this kind of reversal of brain. functioning when they're awake from what. we from what we have when we're awake, but that we all experience when our. dreaming sleep. And so I I made this. hypothesis over 20 years ago that. autistic individuals might be the ones. who'd be the most likely to express ESP. And I knew that a lot of savant. abilities were very similar to ESP. Well, what's happened a couple of years.

ago is that the head of neurology at the. University of Toronto, Morris Freriedman, did an experiment in. which he inhibited the left frontal lobe. of individuals who were just neur. neurotypical individuals. And he found. that that enhanced their abilities for. telepathy and for psychokinesis which is. the ability of the mind to affect the. material world.

>> like spoon bending. >> Yeah. Like spoon bending. >> Yeah. And. >> so so. that's Yeah. Yeah. So, so, so that's the. reason why I think that these autistic. these non-speaking autistic individuals. um I mean their brain activity is is. consistent with. um what that study shows. >> Have you seen psychokinesis in real. time?

I've seen people. able to affect random number generators, which is a form of psychokinesis. And I but I haven't in in real time. I. haven't been to a spoon bending party, but I know a lot of people who have. I. know a lot of people who've bent spoons. >> What do you mean by. uh sorry, what did you call it? Basic. randomized numbers. >> Oh, a random number generator. How do.

they affect that? >> Well, so so a lot of random number. generators, how they operate is that. it's basically based on um radioactive. decay, which is a random process. And we know that. um you know there's just a certain you. know uh we we have a lot of data on on. what that looks like. Okay? And it's. just random there. there's there's no. predicting any of it. Okay? And so if.

you have a random number generator, it's. just measuring that radio active decay, but then you say to somebody, okay, I. want you to now. influence that. So it's less random. And then you and then you just measure. the output and you and you see that it. it has shifted towards something that's. more more coherent. There were experiments that were done uh.

by Roger Nelson and others at Princeton. in which they had random number. generators all over the world. And what. they looked at is what effect does. collective consciousness have on those. random number generators? If if. everybody is focusing on the same thing, if everybody is simultaneously having. the same thought, does that create more of a coherence in.

that which is just a a natural random. process? And what they found was yes. indeed it does. And how they did the. experiment was is that they had all of. this data of these random number. generators just you know putting their. output out and then they looked at time. periods when every when a high. percentage of people were focused on the. same thing. So what would those things. be? The OJ Simpson trial.

So many people were tuning into the OJ. Simpson trial. that. there was increased coherency in the. random number generators. >> Wow. >> They did this for many many big events. like that. >> Wow. How do you describe collective. consciousness? >> How do I describe that? >> Yeah. What I would say is that so we so all of.

us are basically. uh I would say we're differentiated. consciousness in terms of you know we're. each our own individual consciousness. but we're still. connected or capable of being connected. to. a unified consciousness. you know all. you know uh there are people who have. these mystical experiences that say that. they they they realize everything is all. one you know that that that it's all. unity that we're not separate. Okay. So.

that's so so that consciousness where it. it's like you go up to, you know, whatever you want to call it, source, whatever you want to label that it it's. it's. all of our higher consciousness. all all collectively together. >> I've had that experience. >> of unity consciousness. >> Yes. All as one. It was a psychedelic. experience. 5 MO DMT.

and uh it it was. a very profound feeling. >> Yeah. Yeah. So you were you were going. from the more differentiated. individual consciousness to the. collective. and we all are capable of that. It's. just that some people need to have you. know a chemical push. Why? Why do you I. mean what happens in the brain when I.

when that happens. on psychedelics? >> What happens in the brain? Um. well, I don't know exactly what when you say. what happens in the brain, I don't know. exactly what um. what what's happening. I mean, it's. something I want to study. Mhm.

>> I I think of it as for example, think of it as being like a um. we So are you familiar with the concept. of the bofield? >> No, I'm not. >> Okay. Um. so all living. all living systems have a field around. them. >> Okay? It's a it's an electromagnetic.

field. Okay? And within that is plasma. and it has a toroidal shape. And the Taurus is it's sort of like a. donut. Okay? And it's a self-reflecting. system. Think of the um if you've ever. looked at an electromagnetic field that. you know or looked at the the field. around the earth okay it's tooidal. and it goes loops around like this okay.

and. we spend most of our time in our. individuated consciousness. focusing on just the sort of the the. information that's within. that's coming to us from our sensory. system, okay? You know, that's informed. by, you know, our our sight, our. hearing, you know, etc. That is really. our local, you know, here and now.

senses. >> Okay. >> But what happens is so that's only some. of the information that's within that. tooidal field. I I believe that that. that that field con contains information. that is relevant to us here but out on. the outside here it's getting it it's. getting information from elsewhere. That. makes sense. It's like a um.

think of it as being. there's there's our inner process. Okay. There's there's what you experience. internally that feels more private. Okay. And when we go and that's local. consciousness. But when we access. non-local consciousness like what the. remote viewers are doing, it's like our. conscious awareness.

shifts from paying attention to just the. readout from what our senses, our local. senses are telling us to shifting to the. the I think of it as the outside of that. Taurus. It shifts to that which is not. informed by our senses anymore but is. actually informed by the greater field. >> Okay. >> So, so I don't think of it I don't think. of consciousness as being confined to. the brain. In fact, I think of.

consciousness as being something that. the brain navigates. >> Oh, good. Like we we all have, you know, we we all have like smartphones nowadays. and so we use our smartphone to connect. with other people and to connect and to. surf the internet. and the information isn't contained. within the smartphone. The information. is contained within the field.

And so I think that that our brains and. consciousness work similarly that our. that our consciousness is actually a. field. And there are some psychics who. actually see these fields. >> like a cloud. >> like a collective cloud. >> They they see it like they they see well. they also will see like your field. Okay. There are people who see auras. The these autistic individuals I work. with they see auras. So they they see. your consciousness field outside of you.

and. and and and as I said the brain is. really what navigates that. and that consciousness field can expand. and and be connected with the greater. consciousness. >> Very interesting. Very interesting. What I mean what what got you so.

interested in telepathy and ESP? What. what was the what was the thing that. that kind of brought you down that road? You know, because I started out as a. neuroscientist and very much in the. materialist reductionist model. and things changed for me when I was on. faculty at Harvard. And I was called to. do an evaluation of this woman who. wanted to sign out of the hospital. against medical advice.

And that was my my role there at the at. the hospital was to do psychiatric. consults on the medical and surgical. floors. And I went in to see this woman and the. staff had already determined that she. was mentally ill because she said she. was seeing ghosts and that she was. psychic and wanted to leave. And in my. training, that's what I was taught is a. sign of somebody being psychotic. And when I went in to see her, she one.

of the first things she said to me is, "Oh, I'm seeing all these ghosts and. it's, you know, freaking me out. I. really want to leave." I said, 'Well, yeah, I imagine if there's going to be. ghosts anywhere, they'd be in a. hospital. A lot of people die here. And uh and she she goes, "Yeah." She. goes, "Uh" and she goes, "And I'm also. psychic, and I know my tests are going. to come back uh normal." And back then. you we we did blood work in order to. find out if somebody had had a heart.

attack, and it took a day or two to get. the results back. And so, we didn't have. those results back yet. and and she. says, "So, I I want to leave." And I. said, "Well, you know, I I really love. to talk to you a little bit more about. this, and I really wanted to just gain. her cooperation to stay rather than just. sign the paperwork and commit her to. stay." And she looked at me and she. said, "I'm getting a really good reading. about you right now. Do you mind if I. tell you what I see?".

And I said, "Yeah, sure." You know, go. ahead. you know, I I just thought it was. really interesting that she would say. that and I thought, you know, it's it's. good. I love to build rapport with. people. And I said, "Sure, you know, go. ahead." And she goes, "Wow." She says, "I'm seeing your aura and you've got. this white light around you like like. Jesus." And I'm going, "Yeah, right.". You know, and then she says, "And I see. that you have a a husband who's a. chemist and he's applying for a job. right now in two different cities." And.

I was like, my my husband was an MD, PhD. biochemist, and he was applying for a. post-doate in two different cities right. then. And I was like, "Oh, really?". >> That got your attention. >> That got my attention. And then and then. she said I I said I said, "What? Well, what cities, you know, are you talking. about?" She says, "Well, you know, in. his heart of hearts, he wants to go to. one of them, but you're actually going. to end up at the other one." And now she.

had my curiosity because I he and I had. met when we were medical students. together at John's Hopkins and he was. 13th generation BMI and I knew that. that's where he wanted to to he really. wanted to go back there. Um. and the other place he was applying was. UCSD. And I she said I said well what city are. we going to end up in? She said well. name some cities. So I named about 10 10. cities. And she goes San Diego. that's. where you'll be. And she said, "And.

you'll have a daughter while you're. there." And and she just started telling. me all of these things about my current. situation and my future that there was. no way she could know. And. I was able to talk her into staying. because she really liked me. And she. said, "Well, if you come back tomorrow, I I'll stay." And um and so she stayed. her test came back normal and she left. and I went we we went on to move to San.

Diego and I went on to have a daughter. and it was one of those things that just. it it it it it was one of those things. where it was so. life-changing because. I went into this field wanting to. understand the the brain and. consciousness. That's why I mean originally when I went. to medical school I was going to become. a neurosurgeon because they were the. ones who were mapping the brain by.

during surgery by doing recordings from. from the brain and stimulating parts of. the brain during an operation because. they wanted to make sure that they. didn't remove areas that somebody needed. for functioning. So if you're if you're. doing um neurosurgery you you really. want to uh know for this individual and. everybody's brain is slightly different. you want to know for them what you know. what their functionality is and so I. thought oh this would be a good way to. to to map out the brain and do good in.

the world. So, so my my goal was to. understand, you know, the brain and. consciousness and how does it all work? And I thought if what she did is real. and I knew it was real because it was. I experienced it firsthand, >> then any model for the how the brain and. consciousness. work is going to be incorrect if it. can't account for this. And so I I started doing research to try.

to find, you know, has anybody else. reported these phenomena? And in 1995. when some of the remote viewing work. started to get declassified, that really, you know, piqued my. interest again. I said, "Oh, look at. this. Military intelligence funded this. kind of research. M. >> for a long time.

>> Yeah. >> And they had some really fascinating. results. >> And so that it was after that that I. decided that I was going to. >> put my own energy into to trying to. figure it out. >> That's interesting. You know, that that. happened uh. that happened to my wife before and and. she recorded it. This is before we ever. met. We we didn't even know each other. and and several years later I.

what did we do? We did we did something. and we got connected to I don't know. somebody that was like you should try. this and I tried it and recorded it and. I was like um you know I'm not really. buying into this this I mean he was like. oh you've seen explosions and I'm like. I'm a Navy Seal of course I've seen. explosions. try again and I mean I wasn't open to it. you know at all and and I am a Christian.

so I'm going to get a bunch of. about this in the comments but whatever. ever. It is what it is. And so me and my. wife started talking about it and she. was talking about um she was talking. about an event she went to in. New York. Who's the big medium there? The um Do you know who I'm talking? >> John Edwards. >> No, it was a woman, I think. >> Oh, the Long Island medium. >> Yes. She was talk we we we just had like. a dinner conversation about this and she.

started telling me about the Long Island. Medium. and they went to some type of a show. there and. um and there was this woman there. They. were like, "Oh, I'm getting these. messages." And all these people were. raising their hand like, "No, not you. No, it's not you. It's not you." And she. went on to say some other stuff. And. she's like, "Nope, that's not it. either." And she goes this, she goes,

"Somebody in here, I I can't remember. exactly how it went, but basically it. was like this person. misses so and so and he wants you to. know everything's okay, and he knows. that you go into the closet and spray. your dad's old cologne so that you can. remember him." And the the woman that. was that went there with my wife like. broke down balling like was like I I.

can't believe that this happened. And. then and then she had uh spoken to a. psychic. long time ago, years before we met. And. the woman that gave her the reading gave. her my initials. says, "You're going to. marry somebody with the initials, you know, my initials, and then you're. going to move to this place," which we. wound up moving to. And she said, "I. don't even She didn't even remember it.

actually." She was like, I we were. talking about having um the fact that. she had done that, that she had talked. to a psychic, and I was like, "This is. crazy. What? I don't believe in any of. that stuff." And then she's like, "Actually, I think I recorded it." So we. dug through her computer and pulled it. up and sure as she was like I don't. even I didn't even remember this but. she's in there and called out my. initials said we're going to move you. know to Tennessee and said some other. stuff that's actually happening right.

now uh at we're in process right I don't. want to go into it cuz it's private but. but she had called like all these things. and I'm sitting there like I'm like you. didn't even you didn't remember this and. she's like no she's she's like I didn't. remember it but here it is and and that. really kind of like opened my mind to it. and I was like oh well maybe there. is something to this and then you know. then the rest is history that's when I. started bringing in uh people remote. viewers and psychics and stuff to to to.

hear their stories and try to understand. how it works still have no idea how it. works but but. so that led you into I mean did you ever. do it again before before we move on. >> ever do what again? >> Have you ever had another reading? >> Oh, well, so. when I met uh Gary Short uh from the. University of Arizona at the time, and. this was back in like 2004, 2005.

Um he was doing research on mediums and. he said to me, "Uh, have you ever, you. know, had a reading by a medium?" And I. said, "No." And he said, "Well, I'm I'm. testing these mediums and I want to, you. know, certify them, you know, and you. know, and so I need somebody. independently to just, you know, look at. them. Would you, you know, would you be. interested in a free reading?" And I. said, "Oh, okay." You know, sure. Um,

and so this woman. called, you know, we had a setup phone. phone call and she called me and she. said, "This guy named George is so. excited to talk to you." And I said, "George?" And she said, "Yeah, he's he's. uh he's he's your grandfather, isn't. he?" And I like, "No, I don't have a. grandfather named George." And then she. said, "Oh, well, he you know, he's he's. pretty insistent that um you know, he's. he's here to talk with you." And I said,

and then I thought about it for a. second. I thought, "Well, wait a minute. My my daughter's. father's father was named George and he. had passed over.". And I said, "Could it be my daughter's. grandfather?" And she said, "Yeah, that's who it is. He he want, you know, he wants to tell you, you know, a few. things." Oh, well, that's interesting. And then the next person that she said. showed up was my my grandmother, Minnie. And the way she described her.

was just. totally consistent with my grandmother. She she described her as somebody that. would follow you around with like a. Windex bottle and and. wipe up, you know, any like little. fingerprints and whatnot. That was. exactly my grandmother. She was very. very very fidious umly clean. And so I. thought, well, you know, that's. interesting. So that so, and then one of. these autistic individuals that I do. research with recently just. spontaneously told me, you know, he got.

a reading on me and I was like, oh, you. know, uh, who who's who's here? And he. says, well, it's your half aunt. And my. father had a half sister. And I thought, well, that's interesting. because not that that's a very specific. thing to say. and and and most of us. don't have h have half have half aunts. And then and then the other person that. she said showed up to say something to. me was my she said your your grandfather.

uh by marriage. and his name is Harold and my. stepgrandfather's name is Harold. Wow. So, so I I really think that. what what's happening now is that people. are. having so many whether it's television. shows like Long Island Medium or you. know what these autistic individuals are. are are are telling the world. I think.

what's happening is is that people are. being shown. that. that we are more eternal than than we. realize we are. That that you know we so. many people are. terrified of death. because they think that that's it. They. think that's the end. that. they they've bought into this very uh.

atheistic materialistic model. that tells us that that all we are, you. know, the only thing that's real is that. which we experience with you. Our five. senses and that when we die, we're die. and that we and that's it. And I think that. we're living in a we're living in a.

world now where we see the consequences. on a daily basis of such a toxic. materialist model. It's it's taking us away from. a spiritual life. >> Mhm. And so I know that a lot of people are. raised in Christianity and and and think. that some of these things are, you know, works of the devil or evil or whatever.

But what I I feel is that we were warned. against in the Bible. We were warned. against putting our faith into people. who are uh practicing occult sciences. for good reason. Okay? because those. kind of people can have way too much. influence over us. And so then, you. know, you have to trust that they have. good intentions. >> But it's important we don't throw the. baby out with the bathwater.

And and because and what I mean by that. is that. the people who are now showing us these. things now, they're I think that they're. showing them to us not because they're. they're evil or demonpossessed, but. because we need to be we we we need to. be reminded. that we are more than just this this. flesh. We we we need to be we we need to.

get back into a more spiritual way of. being. And the the these children that I. work with, they say that they're in. communication with God and Jesus all the. time. So it's I mean they would very. much say that they're Christians. >> You know, I I What do you think happens. when we die? >> What do I think happens? I think that we. I think we join that unity consciousness. until it's time for us to differentiate. again or maybe we get to stay up there.

>> Interesting. I interviewed this guy John Burke. Have. you heard of John Burke? He he went. around and did I think he interviewed. over 1,500 people with near-death. experiences. >> Mhm. >> And found the commonalities. And this is. all Christianity based. And he found. that, you know, these these these the. subjects um. were from all over the world, all.

different religions, had no contact with each other. And he. would just go and document every single. one of them and then found all the. commonalities uh that that had to do. with Christianity. And it was an. overwhelming amount of them that had. some type of an experience with with. Jesus or God or or uh visualization of. heaven or, you know, the white light. And some of them having communications, some of them didn't. They even had. hellish uh near-death experiences where.

the the the subject went to hell and and. was saved. And so, I mean, have you do. into near-death experiences? Is that. does that. >> Oh, absolutely. I'm fascinated by. near-death experiences. In fact, I've. had um a couple myself that. >> You've had some. >> uh Yeah. I mean, not the full-blown. experience. What What I what I. experienced is that when I was about 13.

years old, I was in a canoeing. incident where my my brother I I never. was taught how to swim. and my my brother and his friend thought. it'd be funny to tip over the canoe when. we were in the river. and I couldn't I couldn't make it to to. shore and I just started. sinking and I remember having a life. review.

and I also remember having this just. this sense of peacefulness I was which I. mean you would think that somebody' be. you know who's drowning would you know, uh, terrified, but there was just this. sense of peace and just acceptance. I'll see my life before my eyes and then. the next thing I know I was rescued. Um, and then when I was applying to. medical school, I was.

walking across the street. I left the. chemistry building and I was walking. across the street on a rainy day with my. with with all of these applications in. my hand for medical school. and I was hit by somebody. and. the next thing I remember is coming to. several hours later after having been. unconscious on a neurosurgery floor. And when I came to initially I thought.

that I was having a dream that I was a. patient in a neurosurgery suite because. I was applying to medical school to. become a neurosurgeon. So I thought, "Oh, isn't this an interesting dream?". And the doctors are like, "You're not. dreaming. You know, you. you were in an accident." And um so I. I'm I'm They kept me in the hospital for. observation. I mean, they're coming in.

theos, you know, they're coming in, shining the light in my eyes, you know, every hour and taking my vital signs and. they're monitoring me very very. carefully because they were very. concerned about me. And I'm there. thinking. something is very different. I don't. know what to make of this feeling. I And. I was just like, what is this feeling? How am I different? I'm like, oh my god, it's that I believe in God. See, I was.

raised an atheist. My father was a. scientist. Um, I didn't even know about religion. I. I'll back up a little bit and then I'll. continue my story. I mean, my father my. my earliest memories were at Hanford. My. father was one of the top scientists in. studying plutonium and showing that it. was harmful to wildlife and and helped. to end the nuclear testing that was.

being done in the West out in the open. And then it was after that he he went to. the University of Washington Seattle. posttock in cardiovascular physiology. and then eventually became the head of. the artificial heart program at Battel. Memorial Institute. and he was. an atheist and.

wouldn't let our mother you know my. mother was spiritual but he wouldn't let. her take to church. So, I was not raised. with with spirituality at all. And. so, fast forward to when I'm applying to. medical school, but I was always a good. person. I mean, I worked for, you know, charities, you know, you know, I was if. I was a Girl Scout. I, you know, I I. always wanted to, you know, help. humanity, you know, in whatever way I. could. And so.

so I'm come to in this you know. neurosurgical floor and I'm like I feel. different. I I like it's like I believe. in God. I'm like and then I'm like what. you know and I'm like trying to think. about. the last memory I had before ending up. in the hospital. And I remember you know. and I remember just stepping off the. curb. Okay. And then I'm taking my. memory back. And then I remembered the. conversation I had the night before. And.

the night before I was in this math. class. I was taking an upper division. math class just cuz I love math and it. was fun to do. And this woman sitting. next to me says, "Where are you applying. to graduate school in math?" And I said, "I'm not applying to graduate school in. math." She said, "You're not?" I said, "No." And she said, "How could you give. away God's gift? You're so gifted at. math." And I said, "You believe in God? You've gotten this hard far in math and. you believe in God?" And she said, "You.

you've gotten this far in math and you. don't believe in God.". And we had this fascinating. conversation. And then I said to her, "Well, I wish I believed in God." And so. I come I'm I'm I'm playing this back in. my mind. And then I had the really. issue. I'm like, "Oh my god, last night. I said I wish I believed in God and now. I believe in God.". >> Wow. >> But I had no framework for understanding.

that. I didn't have a clue. And so I went on to. I got into medical school, went on went. through all my training. But just like. that patient at Harvard that I mentioned. that it was like, "Oh, I've got to. understand, you know, ESP, there was also because of that. experience that I had where I believed. in God. I I I became a spiritual seeker.

and I I studied I read the entire Bible. I I I studied Eastern spiritual. traditions. I was basically looking for. universal truths because I wanted to. have a framework. to understand what is even meant by God. And that belief in God never went away. In fact, it's just gotten it was more of.

a knowing rather than a belief. But with. no memory of those several hours that I. was unconscious. So, I have no idea, you. know, where I went, what I experienced, and I've had to fill in the blanks, fill. in, you know, fill fill things in on my. own. Um, and so it makes me wonder what. what happened. May maybe I. had had the full-blown experience. And.

so I spoke with Phyllis Atwater, who is. Skip Atwwater's daughter, and she's an expert on near-death. experiences. In fact, she's studied thousands of. cases. She's had she's had, you know, I. think three or so of her own. And I'm. actually going to be a keynote speaker. at the um at the the Association for. Near-Death Studies conference in Chicago. um in a week. >> Oh, interesting. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um,

and so anyway, so Phil Atwwater told me. when she heard my story about being. knocked unconscious, she said, "Oh, that's that that can bring about the. same results as a near-death. experience.". And the reason why I was having this. conversation with her was that I. attended one of her talks and she put a. list up on she put a slide up with a. list of all of the squelli or the you.

know the the the aftermath of having had. a near-death experience and she listed I. don't know it was like 20 things and. like 16 out of the 20 applied to me and. they had all started after I had this. this head injury. and and then when she said to me, "Oh, yeah, now you you're going to have a lot. of the same uh consequences as a. result," I thought, "Okay." Uh, now I'm. really interested.

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that's been described in the literature. going back well over 200 years. You. know, this is where you have an. individual who knows things that they've. never been exposed to. For example, there was this boy back in 1804. who was he was five or six years old at. the time and he was just in the field. with his father, hadn't been to school. yet, and he started saying these. mathematical equations and solving them.

and he hadn't been taught math. and he was accurate in in all of his. solutions to these mathematical problems. and so the father took him literally on. a on a tour back then and and he was. written about but and there have been. other cases like that. So for example, Oliver Saxs who was a neurologist who he. was the person who um was the one of his. books was the the movie Awakenings uh.

which was about severe Parkinson's. disease where people were frozen until. the development of L-dopa which then. unfroze them and they they went from. being like statues to being capable of. moving. Well, he also wrote a book, The. Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat in. came out in 1986. And I got to meet him. shortly after he wrote that book. And in. it, he describes these autistic.

uh young men who were identical twins. who were institutionalized who could. res they could spit out prime numbers. uh and they couldn't do simple. arithmetic, but they could give you a. six-digit prime number and this and. then the other one would give you the. subsequent prime number and and they'd. go back and forth in in this game and. and Oliver Saxs tested them with prime.

number tables and was able to determine. that they were accurate in their prime. number generating skills, the 12 digits. And they he then he had them do it to 20. digits, but the computers at the time. couldn't. >> 20 digits. >> 20 digits, even though the computers in. the 60s couldn't do past 12. And they said that the numbers just. appeared to them. They didn't they. weren't calculating it. They weren't. deriving it. And there aren't really. that many um good algorithms for.

determining prime numbers in the first. place. I mean, you you have to literally. go through and do all of the division. And you have to see does you know is. there anything that this number can be. divided by besides itself and one that's. the definition of a prime. And so be. able to just spontaneously. >> 20 digits. >> 20 digits. Yeah. And they could do. calendar calculation which is another. savant skill where they could if you.

told them any date going you know back. in time thousands of years or into the. future thousands of years they could. tell you what day of the week it would. be. >> Wow. >> And and the answers just came to them. And so when I first heard about Savant. syndrome. and I I thought well this is something I. really want to study but it was really. really rare. And it's found most. commonly in people who are autistic. And. in fact, they they estimate that about. 10% of people who are autistic have some.

savant skill. You know, for some of. them, it's they they have a musical. ability where they can just sit down and. play instruments without having to have. the same kind of training as someone. else or they can acquire languages uh. very easily. You know, there's a a. famous savant Daniel Tam who he can he. he can speak 11 languages. He he he. earned he learned Icelandic in one week. >> In one week.

>> In one week. And he. >> fluent. >> And he he can recite pi which is a. non-re repeating um. number. Yeah. He can recite it to 22,500. digits. >> Are you serious? >> Yes. And he says that it's not that he. memorized it, but that he just sees it.

like a ticker tape parade in front of. him and each number has a different. color and shape associated with it. So, it's it's a condition called. senesthesia, which which almost all if. not all of the autistics I work with. have this senesthesia where they they'll. put a color around a number or a letter. And there's something about synthesia. that makes it makes for a superior. memory. >> What do you mean they'll put a color. around like in the image in their head.

will be highlighted with a particular. color? >> Yeah. So there's so there's two types of. two general types of senesthesia and in. one type it's what's called the the pro. projecting type okay where you actually. out here in your your physical space you. actually see it and you can't not see it. okay in other words it is it it's a. constant. accompaniment of that you know that that.

symbol okay So you they just whenever. they see a a letter and it could be in. any font. whatever it you know it's totally. independent of that it will always be. that color. Um for some it's it's it's. uh numbers you know but and for some. people it's um that they'll associate. say you know like a sound like the a. note with a color. It could be any of.

the senses and there are other so. sometimes it's projected out here and. you experience it as existing out here. and at other times you experience it. internally and that's what's called. associative sesthesia. So so it happens both ways. but it but it's but it's. >> you mean it's outside like it's. projected into their like they see it. like if I'm looking at you I see. >> Yeah. Yeah. They'll literally it's like. it's superimposed upon, you know, if you. their vision.

>> Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. >> Yeah. Absolutely. Versus the vision that. we have more internally where where it's. more of an imagined. >> It's not their imagination. >> It's not their imagination. No. No. They. experience it out here. >> Wow. And have you seen this in your. studies? >> Well, I've worked with people who have. senthesia. I I myself don't have that. form of senesthesia but it's um it it's.

uh it's a fascinating phenomena. and so I so I was interested in autistic. sants and I wanted to understand you. know how you know what does this tell us. about information you know what does. this tell us about memory. and so I was invited Ed, after I wrote. the ESP Enigma, I was invited to go to. India to evaluate several autistic.

savants over there. And the person who invited me told me. that they also had ESP. And so while I was over there, I was. testing this one boy for. science knowledge that he he hadn't been. to school. He was five years old. He he. he hadn't been to school. He was a. non-speaker. And yet his mother said he. knows all of this information about.

science and wants to be a scientist. And. so I was asking him these questions and. he was giving me answers that were very, you know, accurate. And I was asking him. math, you know, that he hadn't studied. And he was, you know, typing onto a um a. keyboard the answers these things. And. I was thinking, okay, well, you know, he's he's a mathematical, you know, soant. But then what happened was is. right before I was leaving, the person. who invited me over said, "Oh, by the. way, uh he's he's also telepathic. All.

of them are." And I and he said, "Then. they're telepathic with one another.". I'm like, "What? You know, you're just. telling me this now." It wasn't wasn't. at the time that I could test it. And so. I so I when I got back to the United. States, I was interviewed on you know. various podcasts and whatnot. And I. mentioned that I wanted to study. telepathy and with within months I was. contacted by a family who had a daughter. that they said was telepathic.

and they asked me if I would be. interested in evaluating her. And the. story behind how they discovered that. she had this ability to read minds was. that. she was. basically being assisted in the home. with her homework by these therapists. that would come in and do homework with. her. And she was non-speaking, but she.

was able to type independently into a. talker. you know, it's like an iPad that. has an electronic voice. And the they. discovered that she was really really. good at math. And the father knew about. savant syndrome. He thought, "Oh, she's. a mathematical savant." And so the the. therapist was working with her doing. these complex mathematical problems, you. know, asking, you know, what's, you. know, what's the cube root of, you know, like a six-digit number and things like.

that. and she would just do it in her do. it in her head. And then one day the calculator that. therapist was using that was of course. always out of uh Haley's sight that. calculator died on her. And so she she. switched to a different calculator and. the answer was given to her in. logarithmic notation. and in and Haley gave the answer in. logarithmic notation. What what is. algorith algorithmic notation?

>> Logarithmic notation. Um. best way to to think about it is that. it's a um. it's it's we we tend to like think of. numbers as like you know like a. six-digit number. Okay. And it's and and. that's in base 10. Okay. Well, think. about if you change it to a different. base, like a base two, the number is.

going to look different. That make sense. to you? It it it has to it has to do. with a different way that you just write. down the number. >> It's not clicking. It's not clicking for. me. >> Okay, let me see if I can explain. Okay, >> I'm not a savant. >> I know. I know. And and and and. think of it this way. Okay. If you have an if you have a number like. 1,322,

>> okay, >> so that's 1,000. Okay. + 300 + 20 + 2. Okay. >> Well, if you were to switch that to a. different base, then. that number would look very very. different. Okay? Because if it's like to. to base. two and I you know I don't want to take.

the time to do the calculation in my. mind right now but if you if you put it. in base two then the number is going to. be much larger because each one of those. numbers represents. a different unit instead of that two. being two twos. Do you understand what I'm saying? No. >> I think so. I think. Are you saying that. the number would look like 1,00 plus. 300 plus 20 plus two? And that is Is.

that what you're saying? >> No. What? No. What I'm saying is that if. you if you change you're you're changing. each one of the units that each one of. those numbers counts for. >> Okay. >> So So. if if you have 1,000. Okay. Um that's 10. to. that's 10 cubed. >> Okay. >> Right. >> Okay. >> And so so so it's it's more putting it. in that kind of notation.

>> Okay. >> 10, you know, 10 cubed plus then it's. >> 10 to the power x this to the power this. to the power to this to the power. >> That's right. And so that's what's meant. by exponential notation is you're you're. it just has to do with how it's notated. >> Okay. And so it's it's the same number, but it. looks very different. >> Very complicated way to write 1,325. >> Yeah. Yeah. It it's it it makes it much. more complicated. Right.

>> Okay. >> Right. And so if she was just doing the. calculation in her head, why would she switch it to exponential, which is even more complicated? That's. like adding another layer onto it. Why. would she switch it to doing that. when you you know and and so the. therapist is like wait a minute you know. why did you give it to me in exponential. notation she's like are you reading my. mind and then Haley goes yeah I am.

she said I see the numerators and. denominators in your head and she goes. really and she says well who's my. landlord and she she types helmet that. was the name of her landlord and she. said what am I thinking right now and. she was thinking of the dinosaur Barney. and she Barney and she goes oh my god. and she's like you are beneath my mind. and she didn't she didn't know what to. do with this she she was afraid to tell. the parents she thought they they think. it was crazy but she she eventually did.

tell them and they went and you know. they they checked it out for themselves. and like oh my gosh you know and then. couple of months later another therapist. who was working with Haley in the house. discovered that Haley would make the. same kind of mistakes, spelling mistakes that she would make. You know how some of us like will, you. know, we just always like flip certain. letters, you know, like we know it's. supposed to be I before E except after.

C, but we still flip it anyway. Well, Haley was making those kind of. experiments that were the those kind of. um errors just like the therapist would. make those kind of errors and she would. recognize the error when she saw it. But. I mean be the initial. She's like, "Well, wait a minute. Those are the kind. of errors I make in spelling." And then. she said, she said, "Hey, are you. reading my mind?" And yes, I am. And. then she said, "Well, then how do you. say I love you in German?" which the. this therapist uh had she she was fluent.

in German and then Haley typed it out. German for I love you and she's like oh. my gosh and so once again she was sort. of afraid to tell the parents but then. but she was relieved when she told them. and they said oh you know we already. knew that and so this gave me the. opportunity to then go and test her. under highly controlled conditions with. two separate individuals. and she was 97 7 97 98% accurate. And I.

tested her with randomized numbers, randomized words, randomized pictures, and had a barrier, a visual barrier. between her and the therapist, and. filmed it all with cameras, you know, all around the room, you know, five cameras and covering all sides and. up above. Uh so that you know if any.

kind of you know just to make sure that. if anybody wanted to examine the footage. they could see you know whether or not. there was any kind of cues or whatever. had had them microphoned so that if. there was any you know even slightest. little you know sounds. uh that it it all get picked up and. presented at um scientific conferences. and people were blown away by it, but.

people people didn't quite know what to. do with it. I mean, this this was over. 12 years ago that I did those. experiments. And since then, I've done. experiments on on. oh, I don't know, probably, you know, probably at least 20 different uh. autistic individuals. Um, but many of. those were virtually, but but half of. them were in person. >> What are some of the other exper. experiments you've done? Are they are. they all the same experiment with. different people?

>> Well, because because this uh that this. claim of telepathy or mind reading is so. extraordinary. I mean, people want to. see that oh, you know, is this something. that, you know, you can reproduce. They. want to see it done with other. individuals under different conditions. And so I so I've continued to do. research with other individuals. I I'. I've been contacted by probably at least. a hundred individuals all around the.

world. with with the um you know conviction. that their child is reading their mind. and you know wanting to know what to do. about it because I mean each one of. these people were you know they they. were shocked by it. That's why they. reach out to me is that they're it's not. that they were trying to bring, you. know, cultivate this in their child or. that it was something that was part of. their, you know, new age belief system. or anything like that. It was that they. just stumbled into onto it just like. these two therapists stumbled onto it.

and then then they're and then they're. shocked and they're like, "Okay, well, what do I do with this information?" And. then they of course they do a internet. search and my name would pop up and. they're like oh there's somebody with. these kind of credentials who's actually. studying this and then they contact me. and um and I was supporting this. research out of my own private practice. because this this is such a kind of. controversial area that it's not easy to. get funding for and I just thought it. was easier for me to just you know pay.

for my own expenses to to go and and. visit these people and test out these. cases. So, um, and I mean what's. exciting now is that I have other. scientists who've been reviewing my. video footage of these experiments and, um, and they're convinced that this. really is indeed mind reading. Wow. I mean, that is. fascinating and scary at the same time.

I've had my mind read before. It totally. freaked me out. Um I mean it's it's your. most private. whatever. I mean that's that's that is I. mean what's goes on inside your head is. the most private thing that you could. possibly you know fathom. >> Yeah. Yeah. Now let me just say. >> it's alarming. Let me just say that um.

the these the autistic individuals don't. want to do mind readading with complete. strangers. >> Is it something that they have to put. effort into? they have to concentrate on. it or or is it like the numbers that we. were talking about earlier that are. projected over the top of their vision. where it's I mean is it just do they. automatically pick up on it or do they. do they have to concentrate put effort. into all right we're going to do this.

I'm going to read your mind. >> well I it's possible but that there are. some who might just not have any control. over it and it might just be something. that they just experience. I I really. don't know. I can't rule that out as a. possibility. But I do know that the. individuals I work with, they are. protective of themselves. as much as anything else. It's in other. words, they don't want to merge their. consciousness with just anybody.

>> Mhm. >> And and so they have to like you and. trust you to want to do that. >> Okay. It's like it's like a it's like a. boundary issue, you know, just like like. you might feel violated to have somebody. enter your your psychological, you know, space and and read your thoughts. Well, not everybody wants to enter your. thoughts. That's good to know,

>> you know, and and so there's this so. there's this sense of, you know, personal space that, you know, that that. you know that we have and and and they. are they they want to. when when they love somebody, they want. to merge with I mean there's this. tendency when you love somebody, you. want to merge with them. >> Mhm. and and you know there's all those you. know love songs and whatnot about how. you know two hearts beat is one and. whatnot you know where we're you know.

you're you're really wanting to be in. sync with someone and so so the these. autistic individuals. have the mind readading you know. abilities show up in the context of. somebody that they really feel a bonded. with and and somebody that they spend a. lot of time with. But what's interesting. though is that one of my research. colleagues who was a total skeptic about. all of this. and he was raised Catholic and he also. was and is a devout Catholic and he also.

was like oh you know my family better. not think that I'm doing this cuz this. is like you know forbidden territory. Um. he was he was curious and wanted to you. know witness one of my experiments and. he. after seeing it he was like oh my god. this is real he's like what do I do this. this really is real and it was sort of. freaking him out and he he said to this. this girl uh Leu is her name um he said.

to her can you read my mind and she said. mhm Mhm. And and he said, "Okay." He. said, "What am I thinking?" And he typed. a word, put it into his phone, showed it. to the camera, and then shut his phone. off, and then she typed the word, and. then he totally was unt. But it was one of those things that. she she really liked him, felt he really.

I mean, she could she could feel his. appreciation for her. She could feel I mean he he truly was. having this heartfelt. uh. >> it's like a supernatural instinct. >> Yeah. Yeah. And he was and he and so he. was just feeling very very you know. close to her. She felt close to him and. and he was able to you know have her. read his mind. Now, what's interesting. is that I've seen people who've.

witnessed one of my experiments. who go from, "Oh, you know, I didn't. know this was possible to, oh, now I'm. convinced it's possible," actually start. to have some of these experiences. themselves. So, what's interesting is the degree to. which our belief system. filters out what we experience. If we don't believe something is. possible, we're we're less likely to experience.

it. Mhm. >> And this has been one of the confounding. variables in parasychology research. because if you have people who are. parasychologists who believe in this. stuff because you've already had your. own experiences or had other you know. experiments that you've witnessed, then. you're more likely to actually have. favorable results. You really actually have more favorable. results. This gets back to that sort of.

psychokinesis thing that I talked about. be earlier where where our thoughts can. can have an impact on the outcome of. things. >> and but similarly if you're a diehard. skeptic that you're just like you know. you cross your arms you're just like. show me and I don't believe in this. stuff then. it may. shut the whole experiment down and and. in fact in in the when we were filming. the telepathy tapes there was this one.

of Kai's. camera crew was a diehard skeptic and. and and we we there was a short period. of time there when we weren't getting. you know the kind of results we were. getting before and and and so Kai asked. this person to lead you know just go out. to your car and get you know cut us some. space and then and then the experiment. started going well again and so so it's. it it's fascinating to think about how. it's Like.

it how powerful our consciousness can be. in. kind of shaping the reality we. experience. And I think that that's really really. really important for people to. contemplate. I mean there's you know. people talk about the law of attraction. which is uh you know this idea that you. know if you're if you're thinking about.

something or you want something that you. you may attract that into your life. Um, and you know it I mean there's. limitations to all of that of course but. I think I think a more uh appropriate. law to think about as opposed to the law. of attraction is actually more the law. of assumption which is something that. has has been written about as well. And. the law of assumption is more that check. what your assumptions are. check check. about what your actual beliefs are that.

you just that you you treat this. assumption as a fact when it it really. is just a belief. And if it's a limiting. belief, see see if that limitation. really is a limitation that's just based. on, you know, attitude. or or is it a realitybased limitation? And if you if you start peeling away. those things that are assumptions. that are really more of an attitudinal.

issue. and you start saying, "Well, no, I'm not. going to let that apply to me." No, I'm. not. That's a limiting belief. That's a. that's a limiting belief because I had a. critical father or that's a limiting. belief because I had a teacher at school. who didn't believe in me or whatever. And just say, "No, I'm I refuse to. accept that." and and defy those. assumptions, you'll actually see that. things will go better for you.

>> I know you're right on that. I mean, they say assuming things is a bad thing. to do, but I mean, with this. mind readading telepathy stuff, I mean, I could see that as a blessing and a. curse at the same time. I mean, if. you're. Everybody has bad or evil thoughts. At. least I I have a lot of them. And you. know, as if I had a.

a child who could read my mind. I don't. I don't know if I would wish that on. somebody. because you get angry not necessarily. just at the child. You get angry at your. wife. You get angry at the other child. You get angry at. friends. I mean, you have. I don't want to call them f fantasies, but you know, um you have you have you.

imagine yourself doing things to people. that hurt your family maybe or you know. and I mean to have to to to have a child. that has access into that. I mean, they. would see. or experience thoughts that. you wouldn't want a. 5-year-old, 8-year-old, 10year-old, you know, to to to think about. Those. could be sexual thoughts. Those could be.

thoughts of violence. Those could be. fantasies that you want to experience. Anything. um you know and and so do they. tap into that is that. >> well that's. that's one of the reasons that a lot of. people contact me as well is it's not. only do they go through the aological. shock of wait a minute how is this even. possible. but often times they're they're going oh.

my gosh I don't want my child to be. reading my mind. >> they're they're they're really going my. thoughts aren't always positive and and. there's a lot of you know it's kind of. like you know it's like it's being naked. in a way. >> that people are more comfortable being. physically naked than they are being. naked in that way. And so one of the. things that happens is that.

the the parents of these children at. first have that reaction. Often times, not always, but but often times they go. through their own spiritual. transformation. because they they have to out of. necessity. And what I mean by that is. they really do a lot of. house cleaning. You know, a lot of what we need to do.

with to evolve ourselves to be good. people is we need to be able to look at. our shadow. Look at that which we don't really want. to see about ourselves. This is Carl. Young talked about talked about the. shadow and it and if we don't see it. about ourselves, we tend to project it. onto other people and oh, I don't like. that per ever notice that ever noticed. that people will say, "Oh, I don't like. her cuz she's a liar." And you're. thinking, well, you're kind of a liar.

yourself, you know, you know, or whatever. you. know, you you you'll see that people. will tend to kind of project on other. people that which they don't want to see. about themselves. And so when you face. your own shadow. and look at the things that you if you. saw it about yourself, you wouldn't like. it about yourself. You're bringing it to. an awareness that enables you to change. that about yourself. If you really don't.

like that, then why why you know why? What are you really evolving yourself. spiritually if you're just keeping the. blinders on saying I'm only going to. look at myself this way and I'm not. going to look at things that I don't. want to look at about myself. And so. what happens is is that these parents. will tell you they become better people. as a result of their child. >> and they are so grateful to their child. for doing that. And this gets this gets.

back to something you brought up in the. other uh the first half of this, which. is this generational trauma thing. A lot of these autistic children who are. here today say they're here to help. evolve humanity. They're they're they they say that that. they that they are here on a planet. right now because they feel it it's. you know that they're on a mission to.

help evolve humanity and to help bring. us to a different place and to bring us. to a place that's more loving, more respectful of life. you know, to. actually usher in a time period that's. more in keeping with what Christ tried. to usher in. >> And where do they say that? What would you call that? Would you call. that an intuition?

Where do they tap into? >> Oh, they'll tell you that they talk with. God, that they're they didn't lose. connection. So, you know, like there's. this idea that when we die. in Christianity that we return to. source. You know, we we go back to be. united with God in heaven if we've been. a good person. You know, it depends. upon, you know, what. >> you know, what do you. do with your free will in this lifetime?

You know, there's a certain there. there's a certain amount of our path. that's just laid out for us and then and. then but we also have free will. And what do you do with that free will? And. so. what what we often times do is if we're. if we're always focused on self and not. and and service to self and not service. to others, then we're we're we're.

fulfilling a a you know a life that is. really you know just more you know it's. more secular. Even if we believe in God, you're still really predominantly living. a a fairly secular life. If all you're. thinking about is your own pleasures and. what brings you joy without thinking. about, you know, you you know, the the. greater good and whatnot, that that's. brings us that that brings us closer to. God. People will tell you that they feel. so much better when they're giving. you.

know that this you know this cliches. it's better to you know to give than to. receive you know it's it's I actually. see how people when they're in a giving. space feel better. and so I think that they're they're just. they're they're they're not disconnected. from source all of us can be connected. as well but. we have to look at what are we doing. that disconnects us. >> do they have other communications with.

God, with Jesus, with source, whatever. they're. >> Yeah. They they talk about they they. talk about being in communication with. Jesus. They talk about being in. communication with angels. >> What kind of communications? >> Two-way conversations. >> Two-way conversations. Any specific. examples that stick out in your head. that you want to bring up? Um, oh, it's mainly it's ma really mainly a.

message of how we need to be more. loving. It it really is about that. It. really um it pains these autistic. individuals that that there's so much. disharmony in the world. It really does. It pains me too. Is this free conversation or is this you. know and. for example psychedelics? I have a lot.

of friends um that use psychedelics. It's for brain injury, for pts, for all. that stuff. Talked to a lot of really big successful. businessmen and women as well. And a. handful of them uh are very interested. and partake in psychedelics. And and a. commonality that I hear, a term that I. hear used often is is like a download. I.

got a download to an answer of something. that I'm looking for, whether that be. personal life, business life, it could. be anything. Is that what the. what the. conversations are like? Are they like a. download or can they tap in at any. moment in time and ask a question? >> I think I think there's a little bit of. both. I mean, but definitely they. describe having downloads.

Absolutely. And there are a lot of. parallels. between the experiences people report. when they take psychedelics and the. experiences that these autistic. individuals report. that I mean they're not taking. psychedelics. it but it's as though. their their own their system itself is. already running you know that circuitry. that psychedelics activate. and be they report being out of their.

body a lot of the time you know. something we call disassociation. you know and that's something that I. mean remote viewers you know some of. them do astral projection you know they. they say that they leave the embodied. perspective and you know their. consciousness. you know, becomes disembodied. Um, well, these these kids describe themselves as, you know, sort of being out of their. body a lot of the time and, you know, very just tenuously tethered to it.

Another thing that they've reported is. senesthesia, you know, which like the. like like the kaleidoscope colors that. you can, you know, experience with. various visual, you know, symbols or, you know, sounds or. whatever, you know. So, that's something. you see with psychedelics. >> Um, and telepathy, telepathy is. something that people on psychedelics. have also reported. >> I've heard this. I've heard this as. well. >> Yeah. and and um and this concept of the.

hill which is talked about in the uh. telepathy tapes where you have all of. these non-speaking autistic individuals. who say that they they meet at a regular. basis at the hill and you know the hill. is not really a physical place. It it's a place it it it's it it's it's. um it's a realm that you have various. mystics talk about and I've heard people. on psychedelics described it. It's like. they go someplace where it's like there.

all these other beings there, the other. individuals there, you know, from from. wherever, you know, all over that you. just all come to, you know, some kind of. non-physical convergence somewhere. So, it's uh so the parallels are very very. striking. So. these specific autistic folks that. you're speaking of, they basically live. in that realm all the time. They don't.

have to take something to switch it on. It's just always on. >> Exactly. And so how functional would you. be? >> A lot more functional, I think. But I mean, so does the does. the does the everyday average common. human being I mean do we have these. abilities? And so you know when we're. talking about telepathy I mean I've had. more times than I can count where where.

a. coincidence will happen where here's an. example. There was an individual that I. worked with at uh the at the agency. I. hadn't spoken to him in probably over 15. years. And for whatever reason, oh, I. was I think I had talked about this on. the show at some point in time, but I. was um. looking for like a master furniture. maker, woodworker, somebody to make a. piece of furniture for us. and and this.

guy had a side project outside of. contracting that was he he he made. beautiful like one-of-a-kind. uh furniture pieces. And I remember his. name popped up in my head. I won't say. his whole name cuz I don't know where. he's at now, but his his first I was. like, "Oh, I wonder what Dave's doing. these days." You know, and I thought. about that on my drive to work. I was. like, "I wonder if I should reach out to. him and see if he would want to craft. one of these things." I pull into the. office. It's only like a 20minut drive.

and I pull into my office and I look at. my phone and Dave had just texted me. Now mind you, I I just mentioned I. haven't talked to this guy in 15 years. And he said, "Hey Sean, just want to see. how you're doing. I don't know if this. is still your number. D I'm very. interested in the psychedelic therapy. that you've been talking about on your. show and I think it might help me. could. we have a conversation about that? And I. was like, what? Like I have not even his.

he had he had not even popped. We. weren't close. We had worked together. maybe one time, you know, and we go. through all these years. He's not a. person that pops into my head ever. And. it just happened that that day he had. popped into my head. And and I mean that. to me there are no coincidences. I mean. I'm sure I wasn't in his head much. either, you know, until, you know, the. podcast started to get big maybe, but I.

mean that and I could go on and on about. specific examples like that, but that's. just the first one that popped into my. head. So are we able to tap into that? Was that some type of uh telepathic. communication that happened there? Yeah. I mean, yeah, I I I believe so. I mean, telepathy may not be the best word for. it because a lot of people have certain. ideas what that means, but but. absolutely it it it it's showing us this.

interconnection. >> Mhm. I had I had a very similar. experience. uh. 10 months ago when this woman that I who. used to be the receptionist in the group. practice that I was briefly in in San. Diego contacted me out of the blue. first time that she had contacted me in. 30 years.

And it was my birthday. And what was interesting about her con, she didn't know it was my birthday. Number one. Number two, um I had just told someone about her the. week before and I hadn't thought about. her for for ages, but but this this. story came up in my mind that, you know, made me think about her and and so in. telling that story, I brought her up and. then when she contacted me, she said,

"Well, the universe has been pinging me. telling, you know, meaning, you know, she just like she just started getting. it in her head of, you you should try to. get a hold of, you know, you know, Diane. Pal, you know, and she just, you know, she's like like, yeah, you know, and so. she, you know, she looked me up and, you. know, found a way to contact me um by by. through my website and. it turns out that she has a son who's.

autistic. and she had had her own psychic. experiences with her son, But this was. before the telepathy tapes that she. didn't know. This is just before the. telepathy tapes started. She didn't she. didn't know about my research and what I. was currently doing. And and so it's. like hm very interesting that. and and this was when I knew her she was. only she was only 18 19 years old. So. she hadn't had a child yet. So I mean it.

was just so yeah what you know what do. you call these kind of you know. synchronicities? you know, they're. they're very um they're very powerful. when they happen to us. And. I think that. we, you know, we we they show us that. things are not so random as they appear. I mean, that that's a that that there is. that there really is more order to the.

universe than we tend to think. the you know the way the as a therapist. he's worked with a lot of people who've. suffered deeply one of the things that. I've seen is that. if people have enough time to really you. know work through things and process. things often times they see that even. the things that were horrible that. happened to us actually. were often times they they they played a.

huge role in our development. >> and and and and and people often times. can get to the place where they they. they they wouldn't want it any other way. even as painful as it was. They they. they they see how that played a huge. role in making them who they are now. You know, often times all of the. suffering that people have actually. drives them to a place of deeper. spirituality. and and and and.

so because I've given a lot of thought. to, you know, why do we suffer so much? Why, you know, why is that, you know, just so, you know, common to the human. experience? And what I've seen is that. that it it's it's through the suffering. that it forces us to really start asking. deep questions. And and often times it creates this sort. of opening for us to take in a different. way of of thinking about things or.

approaching life that otherwise we would. just kind of continue to sort of stumble. along. you know, go, you know, got to. make the donuts kind of, you know, just. another day, another, you know, and and. just sort of live this more prosaic, less meaningful life. >> It's these things that happen that make. us stand back and go, "Oh, okay. Wait a. minute. What was that?". >> that that that create this um.

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whatever it could be? >> Absolutely. I mean, I think I think that. it it it could be that. when we think about somebody, okay, we're we're sending out a signal, you. know, and. and it's just like, you know, we think. of it this way on a um below the sort of. direct perception with our senses.

that we have kind of like a radar for. certain things. And one of the things. that we have a radar for is when. somebody is focusing on us, you know, and examples of this are um. you know, if somebody calls your name. >> Mhm. >> you you you you might people can say a. lot of different things and you can stay. occupied with whatever it is that you're. doing at that moment, but when somebody. says your name, it's like it it it grabs.

your attention. So, it's like you always. have this little kind of radar out there. um for your name. Um, as controversial. as it is, there's a lot of people who. swear by the the the research supporting. the idea that if somebody is staring at. you, okay, that you know it, you know, they could be behind you, but they're. staring at you and you you know it. So, and then you you turn and you look at. them. Okay. So there's something about.

our identifying somebody by you know. name picture you know you know you know. whatever you know identifying factors. they are there are it's like it's like. our um it's like our GPS on that person. okay just just like the remote viewers. were able to use geoysical coordinates. and you know so many degrees north and. you know north and south versus east and.

west and then hone in on a target and. draw it reasonably you know accurately. It's like similarly when we evoke. somebody's name or image. that's like a it's like a compass needle. pointing at them. Okay. And and then if. we have this like intention, you know, whatever that intention is of, oh, you know, like for the remote. viewer, it's well, I I intend to.

draw what it is I. >> see. Or or the intention could be just. as simple as the thought of um. I wonder what, you know, I wonder what. Dave's up to these days or uh when. whatever happened to Dave or Yeah. you. know, and it's just like a fleeting. thought that you have. It's still it's. like it's like a it's like a it's almost. like it's a message. >> that's got a you know and and then the. universe somehow it's it's pretty. magical you know but the universe. somehow is like that individual gets.

that message and and it's all of this is. below conscious awareness. and that that individual just kind of. picks up on it without even knowing why. they're picking up on it. And it it all feels like, you know, to. to that individual just it it usually. feels like it is just their idea, you. know, just kind of like, oh, I just had. this random thought that I thought, you. know, I' uh call, you know, call Sean.

today or whatever. Um, but after you've. had these experiences. over and over again, people start to. trust that, oh, when I this feels. slightly different than what it feels. like when I bring up the thought of. somebody, when the thought of them just. pops into my mind and they that's what. this woman meant by pinging, you know, it's just like it felt different.

And when you start to. pay attention to those things, you're. you're getting more in touch with your. intuition. I I know for myself, and I've. heard this from many individuals, that. when you have a certain thought that. comes in, it it's like people say it's a little. voice or whatever. I mean, it it's like. that says to do something, you you pay. attention to it. >> Mhm. You know, because that little voice. could be what makes you just all of a.

sudden decide, "Oh, I'm not going to. change lanes." And then and then a truck. whizzes by, you know, and you realize, "Oh boy, you know, I was about to change. lanes and then something in me stopped. me, you know, or like I had it with my. computer, you know, I just, you know, I. was like one day, you know, it's just. like, oh, you know, you haven't backed. up your computer for a while, you know, you you better back it up." And it's. like, eh, you know, it was an. inconvenient time to go and, you know, do what I needed to do to back it up.

But I just paid attention to that and. then lo and behold, my computer crashed. later that day. And it's a good thing I. had backed it up. >> But you hear a lot about this with. people going on planes, too. Oh, I had a. weird feeling. I didn't want to get on. the flight and then the plane crashed or. lots of stuff like that, >> right? And so, so there's somehow. there's like a there there's like a a. little intuition there, you know? So in. all of this is it's it's it's not in. that sort of analytical you know left. hemisphere logical you know way of.

processing things is coming you know. from somewhere else. >> Mhm. And we we become so you know you. know head centric you know that we you. know that we we tend to ignore any. information that's coming from you know. a feeling or this or that and and and I. I think that's a mistake we we we need. to learn how to how do we have it all. work together you know I mean sometimes.

our feelings are you know maybe if we. have an anxiety issue we can't trust all. our feelings Because sometimes those. feelings might not be really associated. with what's going on the here and now. It could be really a feeling that's a. carryover from something. you know uh from another time you know. we but you know that's where your. analytical skills can enter in and go oh. you know is this this is this an. appropriate why am I feeling this now is. this appropriate to you know what's. going on right now. Um, so that's one.

one aspect, but there's also just this. intuition that's just more of a, you. know, just something tells me, and you. don't need to know what that something. is. >> Mhm. >> It it's somehow you're getting. information that's non-local, and it was. important enough that it entered into. your awareness. Do you think that I mean. it sounds like this is a lot more. prevalent in in folks that have autism. and so are they able to and and a lot of.

times when I see signs or something like. that happens things are slow I'm able to. be more into the moment and it it's it's. almost like. maybe I'm able to organize my brain at. the time and compartmentalize certain. things whereas you know when it's when. it's busy. and a lot of things are on my mind. Maybe they're bothering me. Maybe I'm. stressing about them, you know, maybe. there's a lot of business happening. Maybe there's a lot of stuff going on at. home, you know, and I'm not I'm not I'm.

always thinking about the future. That's. that's that's a problem that I have. I'm. just always thinking about the future. and planning and making moves and what. whatever, right? And so what I'm. wondering is are autistic people able to. organize their brains and thoughts and. compartmentalize certain issues, problems, you know, things that are. going on in their lives and completely. separate from them. >> to where that they live more of the.

moment. That's that's not a thing. >> No. No. They're not they're not real. good at compartment. I wouldn't say. they're good at compartmentalizing at. all. I mean, they spend a lot of time in. overwhelm. >> Okay. Um, you know, think of them more. as not having much in the way of. filters. >> Oh, good. >> Um, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's one of the things. about autistic individuals is also that. their experience of time.

is different from ours. >> How so? >> They feel that we are very very slow. they they are operating at a much faster. mental speed. And one of the things that's interesting. is that I mean the spellers are, you. know, painstakingly slow sometimes, you. know, in terms of how long it takes for. them to get a thought out. But there's a. huge contrast between that speed, which.

is slower than we would go, and the. speed that they're running on. they they. they'll tell you that they're just this. helps them to slow down enough to. actually connect with us. It's like they. they can't it's hard for them to be in. that middle ground. And. we have experimental evidence that their. concept of time, not only do they report. it is different, but we have. experimental evidence that they. experience it differently because of.

something called the flicker fusion. frequency. And what that is is that it's. the so if you have a light. okay this this light is not constant. okay it's flickering okay but if it's. above a certain frequency we experience. it as. >> continuous. >> continuous so the flicker fusion. frequency is the frequency threshold at. which you don't experience it as. continuous.

and theirs is different than ours. really. >> Yes. So, so it's it's Yeah. So, it's it's. it's uh and and if you think about it, in altered states of consciousness, we experience time differently. In the dreaming state, you you can have a dream that only lasts.

2 minutes, but it covers. stuff that you couldn't do in 2 minutes. It could cover would take, you know, hours for that whole thing to, you know, but it's condensed down to into 2. minutes. Another example is when we're when we've. got a huge adrenaline surge because of. uh some some emergency that's come up.

Time dilates and we can do. in. 20 seconds. what would normally take us. 10 15 times that amount of time to do. Okay. And so our perception of time unfolding. the way that we uh you know that it's. how we experience it. Our perception of. time.

is really, you know, a product of brain. functioning. And, you know, we know from. Einstein that, you know, our it's an. illusion. that that that that. it's not that it just only goes in one. direction. And. in fact, there are physicists who say. that who who talk about something called. the block universe, which is really that. the past, present, and future all.

coexist. So, it's a it's though that like the. movie's already in the can, you know, and then we're just, you know, only. seeing it frame by frame. Um. and this is something that philosophers. and physicists debate is you know not. only you know okay is there this. evidence that you know that that past. present and future all coexist how. dynamic is it because there are. physicists who will say that just.

because they all coexist doesn't mean. that the future is predetermined. And and there were even people who say. that the past isn't predeter, you know, it's already it's not already determined. either. So So there's all of these. things that come out of these models. within quantum physics that are I mean. they're they're really hard, you know, for your average person to wrap their. head around, but. it's because of these phenomena where.

you have people who. claim to time travel, which these. autistic individuals claim to time. travel. It's because of individuals like. that that. we we see that there might actually be, you know, some human experiences that. that validate some of these things that, you know, came up with from theories. that are over a hundred years old about. the nature of reality. >> How do they experience time travel?

Oh, they. they they a lot of these individuals. are very precognitive. They they'll have. they'll have experiences of something. that hasn't happened yet. And. like one of one of the best examples is. this this young woman named Elsa who was. in the telepathy tapes and she had this.

vision that her father. was slipped on ice and broke his hip and. ended up in the hospital. Well, at the. time they were living in Arizona and. that didn't look like that was a very. likely possibility. But then what. happened is, you know, within three to. four weeks, he was on a business trip. and he slipped on ice and broke his hip. and ended up in the hospital. >> Wow. >> So she had that experience before it.

already happened. And something that. Phyllis Atwater, who I mentioned earlier, who's the. expert on near-death experiences, but. one of the things that she's written. about is something called future memory. And future memory is she she's had. experiences of this herself and people. can have these experiences on nitrous. oxide. You know, laughing gas can. sometimes bring about this where you. literally.

go to some point in the future, experience something. and then. come back into, you know, this time. period. and, you know, and you're only gone for, you know, seconds, you know, at most in. terms of, you know, and so you're not. you're you're aware of the fact that. something's happened because she She. describes it as there's like this uh you. know like cintillating you know lights. you know there's like all these visual.

things she sees first before things. shift and then she finds herself some. somewhere in the future in her life and. then and then that closes up and then. she's back in this this time period when. that future event comes around it's much. it's not just deja vu it's not just the. that individual going oh this seems. familiar it's literally oh I'm hearing. now. Okay. And and you know exactly what. people are going to say, who's going to. walk through the door, everything. And.

so it's it's like you saw a preview of. that section of the movie reel. in advance and now you're there. And it it's. it it's something that she has many many. many examples of this. And so that's. that's I'd say the predominant type of. time travel that these kids do is really.

more into the future rather than into. the past. >> Have you have you seen this actually. happen personally and throughout your. studies? Have you seen any incidents? >> Um well I've just heard anecdotes but. one of the things that I want to do is I. want to test them for precognition. Um, I've I've seen people. email me with a prediction. and then email me later with, okay, that.

prediction. See, I told you. >> that kind of thing. >> Mhm. One of the problems about precognitions. though is that usually for people who do. this kind of time travel, I mean time is. so I mean. time is a strange concept to them and. and precognition doesn't really give you. it's not like there's a calendar date. that comes along with it so that you. know exactly when it's going to happen.

So you don't So when Elsa had that, you. know, vision of her father, I mean, she. didn't know if it was going to happen, you know, in 2 weeks and in 2 years. You you just don't know. And and so uh. it'd be nice if there was a time stamp. on it, but but generally there isn't. >> Uh the reason I'm asking is I'm just. curious, you know, what what do they. what state do they appear to be in while. this is happening?

And is it a blank stare? They're not. there right now. You It happens to me a. lot. I don't know if it's from. traumatic TBI and PTS. You know, a lot. of there's a lot of times where I'll. just be sitting there and I'm I'm not. there. And I'm not saying I can do this. and I'm not trying to relate, but I'm. just, you know, I know that there are. times where I I I'm out in and my.

>> my wife and kids are like, "What the. hell's wrong with dad?". >> Right. Right. Yeah. It's it's basically. a checking out. Yeah. Yeah. No, I' i've. seen I've seen them do that. I mean, generally when I'm around though, they're they're very attentive, you. know, because I'm I'm there. But but but. yeah, definitely they they check out. That's what it's like. >> Mhm. >> It's like they're not there. >> Yeah. It's It's like Hello. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They're And that's what it's like. Their conscious awareness. See, that's.

what we're noticing. When somebody is. checked out, you realize that their. awareness is not on some sensory input. that's here. the awareness has gone. somewhere in the mental spa, you know, the mental imagination or you know, but. it's gone into something that is not the. here and now. And and and so so much of. this is about where do you put your. awareness? Are you so captivated by what.

is being presented to you by your. sensory system that. you you're just. drawn in or I'm so captivated by what. you're having to say that I'm just. giving you my every ounce of attention. or do you have a certain percentage of. attention that when you're doing. something is like thinking okay now what. what is it I'm supposed to do right. after the yeah you know um and so a lot.

of People are walking around with. divided attention. And then just think. of it as what percentage of your. attention is in the here and now, what's. right here that I'm attending to versus. this other thing. And it it's the whole. scale from, you know, 0 to 100%. >> Wow. What is deja vu? You had brought. that up. It it's this it's this feeling. that it that you've already seen. something you know vu is uh you know.

from vision and in in French you know. deja already you know so it's like I. already saw this. >> you know like oh I've been here before. or I met you before and in fact I met. you here before oh this feels so. familiar. >> and. >> we all experience that. We all. experience it to some degree and it's. something that people who have temporal. lobe epilepsy which I mean the temporal.

loes are the section of the brain that's. like on the sides here you know right. right along here okay it's interesting. that it's called temporal lobe you know. because tempest is time. and and the temporal lobe if you have. seizure activity in it you have people. that go on fugue states. So a fugue state is where you have. somebody who just they're not there.

They're checked out and yet they can. engage in all almost like sleepwalking. They can engage in all kinds of complex. activities. They can they can buy it. They can even go to the airport, buy a. ticket, get on a plane, fly somewhere, book a hotel, and be staying there, and. then 3 days later go, "How did I get. here?". Have no recall of any of that.

So, it's called a fugue state. And and. people with temporal lobe epilepsy can. have that. Well, people who have, you. know, a little bit of temporal lobe. issues can also have a lot of deja vu. experiences. So, so there's something about, you. know, the temporal lobe that if you have. abnormal or excessive activity in it. that it it it really kind of takes you. out of the here and and now kind of puts.

you into some, you know, it just. non-local consciousness. >> Interesting. >> How are. they commuting? How are they. communicating with each other? >> They say they communicate telepathically. with one another. >> All of them. >> The autistic individuals. >> Well, all of the ones I work with report that. I So, I can only I can't generalize to I.

mean, there's a lot of non-speaking. autistic individuals in the world. I. mean, we probably have a million in the. US alone. And and where I get that number is that. about five million people in the US are. diagnosed as having autism now and a. quarter of them are non-speaking. So that's quite a few individuals and. I'm I'm only currently working with. maybe.

three or four dozen, you know, or ones. that I'm in, you know, regular, you. know, contact with. So that's a tiny. tiny percentage. I don't want to. generalize from them to the entire. non-speaking. uh autistic world, but the ones that I'm. working with are who are it's self-. selected. It's it's their families. contacted me or their teachers contacted. me because they said, "This kid's doing. the kind of things you research." And. so, you know, I want you to meet my kid. and, you know, tell me what you think. Um, and help me deal with whatever's.

coming up for them as a result of it. Um, so I I'm really I I I have no idea, you know, how many are out there, but I. do know that the ones who contact me, they say that they're in contact with. other non-speakers, and they'll many of. them will say that all of them can, but. I I mean, it. >> it's it's really there's there's a lot. more to be explored, >> but you've seen this happen. You've seen. them communicate with each other. >> Yeah. Mhm.

Can you describe some of the research. that you've done on this? >> Well, so. so there are these these individuals. So. some of the um so there are these. clusters the ones that um I find that. the most compelling evidence for really. are the ones that who already know one. another. I hear these anecdotes about, you know, there's someone named, you. know, you know, Peter in Florida who's. in contact with somebody named Ian in.

Ireland. That kind of a thing. Yeah. You. know, but it's just like, I mean, how do. I know, >> you know, >> can't prove it? >> How do I But what I've heard is from. teachers that work with these students. on a regular basis, I've heard them tell. me about evidence of telepathy within. these kids. And so one of my favorite. stories comes from this cluster of kids. that are in Florida and they've they've.

known each other. They're all minimally. or non-speaking autistic individuals. There's about nine of them and they've. been going to this school. and have known one another for about. seven years. And one day at school they were they. were doing, you know, they were doing. math tests, okay? And all of the kids. were scoring 100% on the on the math.

tests. And one of the teachers got kind. of suspicious and was just like, hm, you. know, they're all not all this good at. math. this seems a little bit suspicious. here, you know, and so so she found out. that, you know, that these kids that. they were all they knew that Emma was. really good at math and so they were. just cheating by, you know, telepathically seeing, well, what is. how's Emma answering these these.

questions? So, so one day Emma decided. that she was going to prove that that's. what was going on. And so she purposely. put false answers to the math questions. there and then all of the rest of the. class gave the same wrong answers. >> Are you serious? >> Yeah, they call it the cheating scandal. and everybody laughs about it, but. >> Wow. >> What kind of scenarios have you.

engineered for this? Well, so I've also. had um there's another cluster of kids. that in um Chicago who've been working. with a speech therapist there. And so I. had her put them in separate rooms. and and asked her if she could have one. of them, you know, send, you know, a. random stimulus to the other one. And so. I just have some preliminary data on. that where that, you know, we're where. some of them were able to do that. Some. of them find that too boring or they.

don't want to do that. So instead, what. they what Maria said is it'll work. better if we make it more organic and. make it more of a conversation. And I said, "Okay, well, you know, give. me an example what that looked like.". And she said, "Well, so for example, this one boy Ryan, um, Ryan said. something about politics to this boy. Akil who was in another room and then. Achille answered back about, you know,

and they started back and forth talking. about politics and, you know, so the so. the one boy said um how much he he liked. Trump and and the. kid said, um, yeah, he that he didn't. care for Democrats either, you know, and was this kind. So, it was kind of like they were having. this discussion back and forth. telepathically,

but rather than wanting to do the whole, you know, well, here's a random number. and can you send it to your friend? >> Geez. I mean, what do you what what's. going through your head when you are. researching and you see these. phenomenons happen? >> Oh, it just just makes me want to dive. in deeper. cuz I mean I um it's like every every. every question that I've had that's. gotten answered only it's gotten. answered with more questions than I have.

that I want answers to. And so it it. really I mean it's just endlessly. fascinating. What kind of questions do. you have? >> What kind of questions do I have? Oh, well, I'm I'm wanting to know, you know, I'm really wanting to know, you know, the kinds of things that you're asking, you know, like, you know, how do they. how do they experience the world? I. mean, I really want to know what it's. like to be in, you know, in their mind,

number one. And then I want to know you. know what is it that is is there. something that we can measure. objectively. that will. validate some of these things be you. know beyond just okay so it's it's so. it's interesting that we you know have. this sort of evidence for telepathy or. whatever but but what is you know what. is going on can we measure that for. example differences in their bofield.

And there's this there's this um device. It's called a bowwell that was invented. by a Russian scientist. that reportedly measures this bofield I. told you about. And it also gives a a reading of the. chakras which are talked about in. Eastern traditions. And each one of. these is just an energy center. You you. know is the way to think of it. um like.

a vortex of energy. And. the chakra that people in eastern. mysticism talk about being associated. with psychic abilities, things like. telepathy is, you know, the third eye, you know, the sixth chakra. Okay? And I. I tested the bof field of this one boy. during telepathic communication with his. mother. And. that chakra and the throat chakra, which.

is the communication chakra, were like. two and a half times deviated from the. midline, but just during telepathy. Okay. And so that to me is. very interesting information because it. it really does provide some, you know, some evidence that that that these ideas. of uh biofields and and energy centers. um each of which is, you know, devoted.

to some other sort of aspect of our. consciousness, if you will. You know, we've got the heart chakra, you know, which is associated with, you. know, the feelings of the heart, you. know, that we, you know, the solar. plexus, you know, the root chakra, which. is our sense of root chakra is our sense. of, you know, groundedness or, you know, belonging, you know, each one, each one. of these is like a different aspect of. ourselves that ideally are all kind of.

singing together in harmony, you know, but that can get we can get out of. balance. you know, people can people can. be um you know, if they don't have a a. solid grounding, then they it's more problematic for them. to be having these sort of psychical. experiences because they're they're not. grounded. So they're I mean it, you. know, that that there needs to be a way. in which they're um all of these things. are are working together in a coherent. way. But but but.

in order to prove that those you know th. those things that are thousands of years. old you know this idea of there being. chakras and energy fields and it's. across different cultures I mean Native. Americans believe in them as well um. >> and and so. >> proving those and then understanding. what do we do to bring those more in. harmony with one another because what. I'm really really interested in is How.

can we. help be our fullest potential in a way. that is removing the impurities. and restoring the harmony to our own bio. field, you know, so that we can so that. so that the body and its innate wisdom. can heal itself rather than having this. model of healing that's imposing. something on somebody saying, you know,

let me you, you know, let me give you. this medication that really just manages. symptoms instead of that. How do I bring. you back to your divine blueprint. that has had all of these, you know, insults to it? >> Mhm. you know whether it's toxic. chemicals or you know you know or you. know EMF or it's you know or just all. the psychological baggage that we.

accumulate as a result of you know. living in and in the kind of world we. live in today and how do we clear all of. that out restore harmony because if if. if. we ourselves because the only thing that. we really have control over is really. our self. And if what we do is we start. really trying to do a really good job of. being the best that we can be, what I. see happens is there's a ripple effect.

that if I'm in a really good space and. and and harmonized, I have that effect. I kind of have that. effect on other people around me. I I. see that if I'm in a good mood, it's easier to get other people to be in. a good mood and and so so and then and. then those people then are in a good. mood and that can bring on a good mood. for, you know, a better attitude and. mood for the people around them. And so.

so if we all focus on that which we have. control over instead of putting our. consciousness to something that. disempowers us, makes us feel helpless, makes us feel like what's the point? If. we stop putting our energy there and. start putting our energy into well what. do I have control over and what can I do. and how can I make things better then we. then we start to. bring about more harmony and that's.

associated with health. We we know that. our attitude and our mental health. has a huge impact on our morbidity. and mortality from a whole host of. conditions. So, so what I'm wanting to see is how do. we facilitate people in that, you know, in that process? And I see these. autistic individuals as being they're. they're like the canaries in the coal. mine. You know, they're they're the. sensitives who are showing us that, you.

know, they're showing us in a more. extreme way, you know, the good and the bad of. everything. And we can learn so much. from them. But there's ramifications for. everyone. Be careful what you project. >> Be careful what you project. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. But don't stop being. authentic. >> Mhm. >> It it it's so that's the thing. It's.

like be authentic. And see, for some people, they don't. know how it's like they want they they. want to be this person. They're like, "But I'm not that person.". So then they go out of authenticity. And. when you go out of authenticity, you're actually going from a place of. empowerment to a place of. disempowerment. >> Mhm. >> It it I don't know if you know much. about kinesiology, but.

>> I don't know anything about it. >> Yeah. So what's in so so kinesiology. um has something called muscle testing. in it. Okay. where if you say. if you say a lie, okay, you actually are physically weaker. if you if you if you're if you're saying. like if you were to if like you can test. somebody, okay, and you and you and you. it takes less force to move their body.

if they're if they're in a place of. being disingenuous. And so kinesiology is this art of what's. called muscle testing. But I mean people. do it like like you know like this as. well. You you you can put your fingers. like this and then say something. Well. we'll try it. I mean you know I mean. what the heck you know try it. Say. something. So try to hold these together. and then say something that's true and.

say something that's false and see if. you notice a difference in your. strength. And and what people do is they'll. oftentimes. test use it as a way to test what they. really believe. because oftentimes. we there's like. this is what we this is what we really. believe and then there's what we. say we believe or tell ourselves we. believe because that's what we should.

believe. And so so so anyway, so there's a. there's a book by someone named David. Hawkins called Power Versus Force. And. he talks about how. um. how instead of if if with power, the. idea of power is that you're you're just. asserting power over something. It takes. a lot more effort to assert power over. something than it does to just create a.

force field that brings it about. And and and. our state of consciousness and our state. of authenticity. plays a role in in how how much of a how. powerful that force field is. >> Interesting. Why do you think so many people struggle. with authenticity? Oh, I I think. people.

want to be liked and accepted by other. people. >> Mhm. >> And there's this belief system that if I. showed you who I am or what I really. think, you might not like me. Now what happens. is is when somebody is afraid to say. what they really think, show who they. really are, what happens is that.

you actually if you if you do that and. you are authentic, you give permission to the other person. to be authentic too. And oftentimes that creates the the. strongest bond because it's like, "Oh my. god, you think that, too? Oh, we said. that. We're not supposed to say that, but we think that and we said it." And. you know, "Hey, I love you, bro." You. know, cuz it's like cuz cuz you now know.

I don't have to hold back from you. There's a price we pay. when we have to hold back. >> And then there's always this Well, it. it's limiting to the heart. Because it's like, okay, well, now. you're acting like you like me, but is. your liking of me conditional? Is it because I say what you expect me. to say, what I'm supposed to say? Or do you like.

me because, hey, you know, I like you. We may be different in this way or that. way, but it's okay. I like you because I. respect the fact that you're comfortable. in your own self and you're a good. person. You're not trying to hurt, you. know, hurt anybody or whatever. >> Man, I just I feel so bad for people. that have not found the ability to be. authentic because they're projecting. a complete false real a.

characterization. And. I I see this a lot in the veteran. community with overmbellished war. stories, flatout lies. I mean, uh, projecting a certain attitude, I'm a. tough guy or what, you know, whatever it. is. And I look at that and I'm, you. know, and I fell into that, you know, long long time ago. But I I. what I think about myself is I'm a very. authentic person and I don't waver.

and I see these people that that it. could be it could be anything but you. know where the the ego takes over. whatever happens and they it's like. they're living in a prison. It's it's. you know it's not them and and it's it's. it's it's. like being living your entire life. imprisoned. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And that's. you know one of the reasons why you know.

people need. it's like it's sad to say people feel. like they they they need permission. to just be their authentic self. And I I. some of my favorite patients that I. worked with over the years were people. who were part of the 12step program. And one of the reasons why is that they. really say, "Hey, be real, man." You. know, you know, be authentic. And people love their once they get into.

the 12step program, what one of the. things they love about it is it's a. place where it's like you can come and. show up and say, "I screwed up." And. people still accept you. and you feel a true. a true sense of belonging and love from. that community. And then you're actually. you're not wanting to let them down, but.

you're also not wanting to let yourself. down anymore. Cuz what you start to. realize is that it it's you're letting. yourself down. And you've got all of this support. that's saying, "Hey, we love you anyway.". >> Mhm. And. and what you ultimately want is I mean. one of the reasons why people are being. inauthentic is because they're wanting. ultimately they're wanting they're.

either afraid of rejection or they're. wanting to be loved and liked or. whatever. So ultimately you're like. removing that layer of it. and and giving the person sort of. permission to be authentic. And then. over time you know the person is like. Maybe what it was that they were trying. to escape from before. no longer needs to be escaped from.

Maybe what they were trying to escape. from was. a lack of self-esteem, a lack of. self-worth. And by being in this supportive. community, they start to develop a sense. of selfworth. And so then there's like less of a. feeling like you need to escape. So it's. like so people get like you said a. prison in a prison you get locked into. this like you know it's easiest to the.

path of least resistance is to just keep. doing what you've been doing. But if. what you've been doing is not giving you. the results you want then you're. probably going to continue to get those. results are even worse because things. tend to get worse over time. you me you. had mentioned earlier you know I mean. what we're talking about is living in a. lie and you know we had just you talked. about strength you know and how if you. live in truth if you are your true self. if you're authentic then it it it I mean.

it physically makes you stronger as well. whereas if you are living in a. characterization of something that's not. you then your body becomes weaker. >> Absolutely. Yeah. You know the funny. thing is is I mean we live in a day and. age right now where people are screaming. for authenticity. but I think there's a small percentage. of the population that is actually that. they are genuinely authentic they are. projecting exactly who they are. And.

another funny thing is that that I mean. the more authentic the more of yourself. that you are at least at least. as you get older. maybe not in maybe not in maybe not. teenagers and below but you know I mean. when you are authentic it it people. gravitate to that. Yeah. Even people. that are not authentic, that don't have. the courage to be themselves, that don't. have the courage to lay the lies down, I.

mean, they even gravitate towards you. Why do you think that is? >> Oh, I I I think that. being authentic is is is. something that people really want for. themselves. Okay? And so we tend to be. attracted. to individuals. who represent something we want for.

ourselves, even if we don't think we're capable of. it. It's it, you know, it's as though. we're attracted to it as though it's. going to rub off on us, you know, you. know, but it it's but it's just, you. know, and there's this saying about. people, you know, oppos, you know that. saying opposites attract, you know, you. know, part of the attraction is. a desire for more balance, you know, a. desire to be a little bit less like this. and a little more like that or to have.

to to to strike some kind of, you know, balance or, you know, to have a little. bit of both. And so, so that it what's. attractive, as I said, is what we want. And I think ultimately, who I mean, why. wouldn't people want to be their. authentic self? it it why wouldn't you? It. >> I think that that that I think that. people are born that way. I mean, I look. at my kids, you know, and they're their. authentic self. And then as you become.

indoctrinated through society. and external influences. start to play a role not in who you are, but who you become. >> Right? And that's what I'm saying is so. when I'm saying. why wouldn't somebody want to be their. authentic self, I'm talking about their. their deep deep self wanting to be its. authentic self and expression. Okay? That you know that we're you know we're. we're here to have you know to express.

fully who we are. But what happens is is. that we that that self goes underground. because of the social conditioning. because of the desire for approval. or yet you know sometimes you know it so. a little you know a baby coming right. out of the womb I mean that baby's. authentically that baby. and along the way.

they get conditioned into being who they. think they need to be to get parental. love. Then it moves on to peers. You. know that when kids, you know, they. reach an age where it's they care, you. know, they know they've got their. parents love, now they want their their. peers love or they've given up on their. parents' love. They're only looking for. their peers love or whatever. But it's. this this you're you're the social. conditioning work because you're wanting. that approval. But if from if if from.

the get-go at every step as you're. coming out more and more into the world, you got met with, oh, I'm so, you know, happy to see you and your full authentic. self, then then people wouldn't get. wouldn't suppress it. >> Now, I know we're getting away from the. telepathy tapes right now, but I'm I'm. I'm curious what your thoughts are. you. know, as a parent, you know, I I think. about this often because it I it took me. I don't know how long. I mean, it being.

in the SEAL teams contracting for that's. not who I am. That's not that you I. thought that's who I was. I really. wanted to do that. I did it, but it took. me a period of time to get back to what. I believe is my my true self. And now as. a parent, you know, I think about, you. know, I want my kids to be their. authentic self. And so, and that that goes into everything. I. don't want my kid playing a certain.

sport because he thinks I want him to. play that certain sport. I don't want. him to have hobbies that he doesn't want. to do because I like to do it. And but. so is I'm curious what your thoughts. are, you know, for somebody that's a. parent that genuinely, you know, and I. see this all the time. You know, people. they force their kids to play baseball. They want them, you know, they push. them. They push them into things and. then the kid is forced to do it and. maybe they want to do it, maybe they. don't. Maybe they only want to do it.

because they know that that's what's. going to make their their their dad. proud, you know? And so how do you. introduce. hobbies, activities, values, things like that to your children. without without, you know, over. influencing them? >> Well, I think a lot of it starts with. yourself in terms of, you know, you. know, first of all, setting the. intention as a parent that what I want. is going to make me that which makes my.

child feel happy. >> Okay? that and I'm not going to define. what that happiness looks. I'm not going. to say, oh, I'm not going to put a. condition on it. I'm not going to say, oh, that happiness has to include that. they have a higher level of education, >> or it's not going to include that they. make a certain salary amount per year. It's it's not those are not going to be. the measures of success. The measures of. success are going to be that my child is. happy and fulfilled, okay? And. independent. though you you don't want.

the child to be you know you can be. happy and fulfilled but not but but. totally dependent upon other so you want. you know them to be independent because. that's part of feeling self-fulfilled is. to know that you really you know that. you've got it covered for yourself so. what I did with my daughter and what I. encourage people to do is to provide a. whole variety of interests for the child. you know just like these are all the. possibilities you know there's there's. music, there's sports, there's, you.

know, all of these different. possibilities and some of which I engage. in, which some of which I don't. But. does it matter what I engage in? It's. more that there are people that engage. in all of these different types of. things. And which one of these things. appeals to you? And if you don't know. yet, then just try a little bit of all. of them. And then what you do is you. track how your child responds to. whatever that thing is that you know. they're they're taking the summer course. in or whatever it is they're doing and.

you just see boy my kid really you know. on the days that he's got you know. baseball practice boy he's you know he's. got an extra little glint in his eye you. know he he he's really looking forward. to it or you see you know or you know oh. this is what you know she's doing on the. weekend when she doesn't have do, you. know, she's going out and she's getting. her sketchbook because she's really. enjoying her art class or whatever. So, what you do is you see what it is that. they gravitate towards because the. reality is that a lot of what leads to.

success is not just aptitude. It's it's. are you willing to put the tens of. thousands of hours of work into the. mastery of it. Mhm. >> Because the reality is is a lot of us. could master a lot of things if we had. the motivation and nothing motivates us. more than actually being inherently. drawn to it. And and so we have to rein.

back our own sort of well that's what I. would have liked to have done when I was. a kid but I didn't get to do it because. I was fulfilling my father's dream that. I'd become an attorney. but now I want. my kid to do that. Well, that kid may. not want to do the thing that he wanted. to do and you're just sort of you're. perpetuating the cycle even though that. you know the facts are different the the. you know the process is the same of of. of the of it being that you you know.

your dream fulfillment is really coming. you know you're looking to your kid to. do that. So, so you help them to to sort. it out. And with my daughter, um. >> I saw that what she really liked to do. was um draw and sketch. And um and even. though I mean I'm looking at going, well, okay, you know, hard to make a. living as an artist. I I'm I'm the last person who's going to. try to, you know, discourage that. And. so she she majored in design in college.

and she got a fantastic job out of. college because people now recognize how. important design is to so many different. things that she actually got a very very. good job. Are you careful not to. overemphasize. things that she is interested in that. you are also interested in or or inject. uh in overabundance of positivity into. an activity? Here's an example. My son.

is my son and I love to fish. He's he's. a toddler. Used to love to fish. I think now he. gets really bored, you know, and and now. I'm like, am I overemphasizing our time. together. doing you fishing as a hobby cuz we go. he'll say he wants to go, but now I'm. wondering, are you just saying you want. to go because I'm saying I want you to. go with me because this is how we spend. time together and this is one of the.

only things that I can do that that that. where I can actually be in the moment. with my son and not be thinking about. all the other in the. I think there's still value in you doing. the fishing with your son because it's. an opportunity to just hang out together. and it can be an extremely relaxing. thing and so he gets to experience his. dad in a relaxed state hanging out and. you know it's not like that's driving. his career choices. You know it it's.

more like no it's it's something you. like to do that you know he yeah it's. kind of boring but you know you're doing. more than just fishing. Mhm. >> You know, it it's it's it's it's almost. like a meditative space. >> And and so so I think that. I I think that there's no there's no. problem with that. It's more people. people fulfilling somebody's dreams. It's more like, oh, you know, they're.

they're going on and becoming a doctor. because they want their dad to be proud. of what I have to do to keep that. Yeah, but when it's not really they're coming. from within them as their calling, but. you know to go and spend time, you know, we all we all, you know, as social. beings have, you know, times when we. spend time with people because we love. them and we want to spend time with them. and is not necessarily doing 100% what. we'd be doing on our own. And that's. just part of the social, you know, social contract. That that's okay.

because that's just part of the the. glue. Um, but but it it's not it's not. the sole, you know, it's not our full. identity. I mean, your son's I'm sure. got other things he's interested in that. he's pursuing. >> Mhm. Okay. But you know, but getting back to the. these telepathic autists, an interesting story about this is that. this one. person who contacted me out of concern. who has an telepathic autistic daughter,

one of the things that happened to her. was that her daughter could tell that. the mother was not a happy person and. started going into her memories. So was not just reading her current. uh thoughts, but was actually she said. it was as though you know I have a file. drawer there. >> Whoa. >> And it's like I've had more than one.

parent tell me about this and and it's. like she was going through the the files. there and and the daughter was trying to. understand why her mother was so. unhappy. >> How old is this daughter? Oh, like. 15. And. what the daughter discovered. was that her mother. had given up her career. as a dancer.

and her love for a man who was. another dancer but 10 years older than. her. to please her parents and went on to. become a medical doctor and married. somebody. to please her parents. And here she was. living this. in authentic life.

and was unhappy and her daughter was. picking up on it. And so her daughter. brought up this man to her and brought. up her her past career. And the mother was contacted me wanting. a therapy session saying, "What do I do with this? This is opening. up all my wounds. I thought I closed. this chapter. I didn't. This is the last.

thing I wanted to be dealing with. What. What should I do?" you know, and and so. and she so so there's this. there's there's a a tiein here between. the you know this sort of like us you. know our living an inauthentic life is. something that these these autistic. individuals I mean they pick up on it. like. very very quickly. >> Wow. Wow.

So, some of them have access to. >> Mhm. >> your memory. >> Yep, they do. They do. And so, it it's. like uh it's like, well, you you didn't. think you were going to have to deal. with that. I guess you're going to have. to deal with it now. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Now, when you're talking about. them communicating. with each other, separate rooms,

what how do they describe what that. experience is like? Did is it like a I. mean, if they have if they have that. ability. to. an antenna or whatever in their brain. that is able to access all these other. minds, you know what I mean? How are they able to differentiate. people that have this ability versus. people that don't have this ability? I. mean, it would be I mean, the way I.

envisioned it right now is, you know, you're in a room with all these. different people and you have to sift. out, you know, you have to sort through. them all to get to the one that you want. to talk to, that you can relate to or. have a conversation with or whatever. So. is do they have some type of a of a. radar? >> Well, they they see auras and so they'll. so orura they basically say they see the. bofield and and people have different.

colors to their auras depending upon um. I suspect it has to do with which. chakras are the most dominant in your. field. And so, so people who have a. dominant crown chakra and have a vi. violet aura, which is what I've been. told I have is a violet aura. Um, and. there are the people have, you know, a. blue aura, you know, or a green aura. And so, this gives them an idea of who's.

psychic or not. Cuz if you have a if you. have an indigo blue aura or a violet. aura, they they they know that you're. that you're um you've got you've got. some of these innate abilities even if. you're not aware of it. Um but if they. see that you've got a red aura or an. orange aura, they see that you're which. are the lower frequencies, they see that. you're really more uh your consciousness. is predominantly expressed through the. root chakra, you know, which is this.

sort of three-dimensional reality. You. know, it's a very securitybased, you know, survivalbased. reality. you know, if it's if you've got. an orange aura, that's your sacral aura, which is more the um you know, things. like sexuality or um you know, you know, other you know, other aspects that are. much more hedonistic, you know, or if. you've got a blue a green aura, you. know, then that's your heart chakra and.

that you are more heart-c centered. And. so so they so they actually see the. colors around people and they'll tell. you um oh you know they they feel safe. around me automatically because of the. color of my aura and they and they'll. avoid somebody's got a red aura or you. know or brown aura or. uh you know because they they don't feel. safe. They like yellow. They say that's. a happy aura. So that yellow is a fine. color too.

>> Okay. I mean, what what how does that. play in when you're they're. communicating through walls in separate. rooms, maybe separate? I mean, how how. how far does this go? Is it throughout. the world? Can somebody in the US talk. to somebody in China? They I mean. anecdotally I mean there there have been. autistic individuals from different. countries I mean that have been in. contact with one another predominantly.

between the US and and the UK. Um but. um I haven't really had a chance to. experimentally test it out but I I mean. it's something I'd really be interested. in doing. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. And so what about the other rooms? How do they describe that? >> Um. they just they just call it, you know, they're just mind talking, you know. I. mean, they don't then it's hard to get. somebody who's autistic to describe.

their inner experience. They they they tend to really struggle. with that. They don't really have a um. they're they're. so easy for us to try to impose our way. of being on them and and they're in some. ways so different from us that it's it's. really uh that's one of the reasons why. like I I can't answer some of these.

questions because it's really uh it's. just so different. to give you an. example, a lot of them um don't identify. with this body as self. Okay? And and so. this one boy Ethan, he always refers to. himself in the third person, he'll say, "Ethan, do Ethan went to the store. yesterday or Ethan thought about, you. know, it's just like he's yet he's. talking about himself.".

um a lot of them will say that they. don't feel that that they're out of. their body a lot of the time. And so. there's this Japanese boy who wrote the. book The Reason I Jump. And the title. comes from his answer to a question. about why do you jump? And he says. because I feel my soul detaching from my. body. And when I asked other autistics about.

this, they were like, "Absolutely. I'm. out of my body a lot of the time.". And so I think that that being out of. the body is. a common. characteristic of a lot of these psychic. abilities. It's a common denominator. And so for example, if you think about. the remote viewing, a lot of them say.

it's astral projection. They they they. they go they actually send their. consciousness wherever it is, see what's. there, and then come back. Uh you look. at people who have had near-death. experiences who then afterwards report. an increase in psychic abilities. Well, during a near-death experience, there's. there's an outof body experience. component to it. So. you you you have that experience where.

you're you're seeing yourself from a. perspective that's different from the. embodied perspective. Similarly, people who've experienced. tremendous trauma in early childhood. when we can disassociate more easily and. leave our body more easily. They can. oftenimes have an out-of- body. experience because of some traumatic. event that happened when they were very. very young. And. it's like once you've had that outofbody.

experience, it's like it's easier for that your your. awareness to leave the embodied. perspective and perceive things from. from somewhere else other other than. what it's what it's like to be, you. know, perceiving through my eyes and and. hearing with these ears. >> Wow. when you were talking earlier about. these guys and girls that that are.

talking to Jesus Christ, talking to. angels, I mean, and they're saying that. they're here on earth to to. make the make us a better place, a more. loving humanity. What how do they describe those. experiences with with both angels and. Jesus? >> Um, >> are they visual as well? >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They definitely see. them.

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And they tell me. that I'm I'm that I've got angels around. me. They said I'm I'm heavily protected. So, >> Well, that's good. >> Yeah. Good to know. Do they describe the visuals? >> Um, they describe the So, the a lot of. the the the beings that they see are. light beings that they say are kind of a. whitish bluish color.

and they're very tall. They also describe seeing um Archangel. Michael. um seeing, you know, seeing Jesus. I. can't I can't say that any of them's. ever given me a a a visual description. of J of God, but um but but they. definitely have said that they've seen. seen Jesus and and and angels. >> Do any of them have.

described this not knowing who Jesus is. or who an angel is? >> Describe not knowing them. >> Yeah. Like I guess what I'm getting at. is. somebody that has not been introduced to. that yet that would have no way of. knowing. who that person is. >> other than their personal experience. >> There have been individuals who have.

reported. talking with Jesus who were not raised. Christians. Okay. If that if that's what. you're asking. >> That's what I'm asking. >> Yeah. Yeah. There are um now one of the. things that's interesting is that um. there are a number of the people who. have. contacted me who have a child who um is. autistic and has these kinds of. abilities um who come from a background.

where the family is Hindu for example. and so they may you know may report you. know seeing Krishna okay but if you look. at the description of Krishna's life and. the the the story of of Jesus's life. there are certain parallels between the. the types of individuals they were and. so I think that and similarly when. people have near-death experiences.

that people will have. a person who's a Buddhist might see. Buddha you know where somebody who's. Christian might see uh might see Jesus. or Mary or or God. And so I think what. happens is is that to some extent just. like what happens with remote viewing um. there's an analytical overlay that we. tend to take our cultural. um you know background and use that to.

inform the form that something takes so. that we can then identify what what what. we're perceiving is really just the. energy. Okay. So you you you maybe. you're perceiving this is a benevolent. loving. um energy that I'm around and if you. were raised a Christian you're you're. you're you're going to you're going to. think of Jesus. Um but if you if you're Hindu you might. think of Krishna. Um it may be that it's the same energy. It's just the two different cultures are.

putting a different face onto it and. labeling of what they label it. Are there any of them that say that they. don't see? Maybe there's no visual, but. it's it's more of an intuitive. experience. >> Um, >> like they just feel a presence. >> Oh, well, some of them feel the. presence, some of them hear it. It's. more of an auditory experience. Have you monitored any brain activity.

when when when. they're communicating or with each other. or. having experience with with with some. type of a higher being or digging into. memories. going into the past going into the. future promote viewing? I mean, have you. have you been able to map any brain. activity? Well, one of the things that I. want to do is map their brain activity. and and I'm doing that with scientists.

using uh QEGs, which is basically it's. like an EEG, you know, measuring the. electromagnetic. um signals at the surface of your skull, only it's um it's hooked up to a. computer program that can take that. signal and create like a 3D map of of. the brain and and tell you which areas. of the brain the signals are coming. from. and you know what percentage of. them are the different um frequencies. that you know and. >> so it's called brain mapping and that's.

something that I'm I'm doing um. simultaneous recordings of you know say. the mother and the son you if they're a. telepathic pair or between two autistic. uh telepathic pairs. I only have preliminary data and it's. really challenging data to get because. the fact that these children tend to be. very very u fidgety. and that creates a lot of artifact and. so it's really hard to get a clean EEG.

Um, but what I'm what I'm hoping to do. is to. work with them to, you know, with. whether it's music or, you know, other. types of um um methods to to calm them. down, to get them into a place where. they can stay still. and get good recordings while while. doing these experiments. But right now, it's just they're so excited, you know, to see me and, you know, and to be. participating in the telepathy and etc., etc., or that they they're all amped up.

and they're just moving left and right. They're just like this, you know, just. like, "Okay, we'll get the EEGs later. We'll we that's. >> What do you suspect that you might find? Do you have any. >> I I suspect that there's a. synchronization of the of the brains. that they're that they're um yeah, that. you'll you'll find some phase locking. between their brains, but you know, where they're they're in sync. You know, if you think about um you know, there's.

a natural. um in the animal world, you ever you. know, if you ever seen, you know, birds, you know, or school of fish, you know, where it's like they're in sync with one. another, it's like they're operating. from the same field consciousness, >> like a school of fish. Yeah. Like a. school turn at the exact same moment, thousands of them. >> in instantaneously. It's not it's not like they're waiting. for some communication to be. transmitted. It's it's that they're just.

in the same field and therefore. responding at the same time as though. they're all one. And so it's that it's that kind of unity. consciousness. And what I suspect is. that you'll see that there's like a. phase locking and a synchronization of. the brain waves. So that it's like. they're just both it's like they're. tuned into the same channel as opposed. to it being one, you know, information. being transmitted back and forth. It's. more like no, you're you're tuned into.

the same channel in in real time. >> You've done studies on twins as well, correct? >> Yeah. Yeah. What did you find with. twins? >> Oh, there's there's a there's a higher. incidence of telepathy in twins as well. And and that's something that's been, you know, there have been a lot of. people like Guy Playfair who did. research on twin telepathy. And um and. one of the things I was interested in is. the twins who are raised apart. Are you.

familiar with those studies? >> No. >> Oh. So, so there was this twin registry. uh that had. like over 60 cases of these identical. twins. who were adopted. to separate families because, you know, people didn't want to adopt both of. them. So, so they had a registry of all. these identical twins raised totally. separately, totally different, oftentimes, you know, some of them in.

different countries, some but totally. different family backgrounds. And. these scientists went and then looked. them up years later and found all of. these uncanny similarities in their. lives. For example, many of them dressed exactly the same. When when they were brought to to to one. another to meet one another for the. first time, they were wearing the same. outfit. >> Are you serious? >> Yes.

Yeah. You know, and and they often times. named their dogs had the same breed of. dog, named them the same name. There are these there are these twins. called the gym twins who they they both. drove the same car. They they they both. had they they had the impulse to build a. circular white structure. at the same time.

They married women with the same name. They I mean, you know, there's so. there's all of these. cases of these individuals who are. living like these parallel lives. that are. um. >> they've never even known each other. >> and they've never even known one. another. And what's interesting from having known. a lot of twins personally, identical. twins personally, and even uh identical.

triplets, I mean, by the time I was in. sixth grade, I already knew three sets. of identical triplets I went to school. with. And yeah, and um and what you see in in. in identicals is that there's there's. more of. an you have some identicals that just. relish the you know, they love the fact. that they are um identical twins and.

they purposely dress alike and they, you. know, they they're they're very similar. Um, and then you have these other twins. who it's like they're each wanting to. carve out their own individuality. And. so, if anything, there's like more of a. pressure to be different from one. another. Okay. But when you have. identical twins that are raised apart, that they're no longer responding in in. relationship to the other twin in a. direct sense. And so you've removed that.

variable that either makes them become. exactly, you know, the same or makes. them want to be different from one. another. And then you and and then to. see all of these commonalities. between them pop up. I mean, it really. um it makes you really wonder, you know, you know, what is that telling us? >> I don't know. >> Yeah. >> What is it telling us? >> Yeah. Yeah. And you know, and and so. it's as though they're still it's it's.

it's as though their their consciousness. fields are still interconnected with one. another. even though they've been. uh apart. And whether or not it's that they're. influencing one another or they're both. uh operating out of the same kind of. influences that that predate anything. you know, maybe in their epigenetics or. I mean, who who knows? But but the but. there's there's.

the the the parallels are too uncanny to. ignore. And in my book, the ESP Enigma, I have I have a whole chapter on twins. where I where I talk about a lot of this. data because it's it's absolutely. fascinating. >> Yeah, I'll say. >> Yeah. I wanted to talk about ethical. considerations for the future of AI and. how this ties into that. >> Yeah. >> Could we dive into that a little bit?

>> Sure. Um, well, I'd love to hear what. your concerns are about AI. I mean, I I. certainly have my own concerns. >> Oh, I have lots of cons lots of. concerns. I think most of them are uh. kind of conspiratorial, but. I don't know. I don't understand how it. would tie in with telepathy, >> how AI would. >> Yeah. >> Um. Yeah, I think that was a question.

somebody else might have put out there. Um well, let me just say this. Um, if you think about what AI is doing, AI is taking. all of this. information that's on the internet. >> Mhm. you know, you know, it's it and and. it has these algorithms it's operating. under such that it can.

basically mimic. human, you know, human intelligence. I. mean, that's been the the their goal is. to see if they could pass the touring. test and and basically. um mimic human intelligence such that. you couldn't tell whether you were. interacting with a human or not. Mhm. >> And. there's. a lot of a lot of things about AI that. really deeply concern me because I mean. we're already seeing people get sucked.

into AI as though AI is this almost. omnisient sort of entity. And that's. giving. that algorithm way too much power. >> Mhm. And we know that AI can, you know, it's. called hallucination. And you know, people in the artificial intelligence. world call it hallucination because AI. will actually make stuff up. You you. really have to fact check.

a lot of what it gives you because um. it'll even make up references. So if you as a scientist are doing. research, oh, give me a reference for. this and that, you can't just trust that. that reference really exists. it'll. actually make that stuff up. Um, somebody was trying to, you know, they. said, "I'll, you know, I'll create a. short bio for you for somebody and, you. know, I have plenty of bios already.". But anyway, this person said she'd. create a short bio for me for some. somebody that wanted to bring me on as a.

speaker and it and it it said some stuff. that wasn't true. It was just like, you. know, even something like that where, you know, you can just online you could. find a bio about lots of bios about me. So, so AI just can't be trusted in in. certain ways. Um, and yet you see people. even treating there are people that are. treating AI like it is a guru. >> Yeah. You know, I think one of my. concerns is you start to see that that. that people are looking to AI for.

answers. And and I'm not talking about. answers to information like um. like historic events or stuff like that. They they they they are starting to use. AI as a form of therapy, right? >> What should I do about this situation in. my life with my husband? And then the AI. will spit out the answer. And so it's. influencing people's emotional. decisions. >> Exactly. Exactly. and and it's it's um. you know I've heard that there have been.

people who've made some really bad. choices as a result of you know they've. gone back and looked at the you know. their their conversation with AI and. gone oh boy you know you can see where. this went south and so absolutely that's. a concern and so. the problem with AI is it's just using. algorithms based on language models. and there's no heart in. And one of the things that telepathy.

shows us is so telepathy is something. that involves a mind heart connection. that when there's a coherency between. the mind and the heart. People ha people. have more of this ability to to be. knowing what the other person is. thinking without having to express it. through language. And so to me there are. certain the certain things that we as. humans are capable of doing that AI will.

never ever be capable of doing. And one of the AI cannot. intuitit things. It can it can come up with its best. prediction based on mathematical models. and you know etc etc. But it can't. predict it. It really isn't good at. predicting things that are not easily. predictable because. they ha they haven't already happened.

And and so a lot of a lot of autistic. individuals their behavior can't be. predict could not be predicted. A lot of. a lot of things that are um as I said. intuitive cannot really be. predicted. And so I think and and if. you've got a very strongly developed. intuition. that is superior. AI can be a tool just. like the analytical mind can be a tool. But we need to put more of an emphasis.

on really really developing our. intuition. and using it as more of the arbiter of. what's true and what's not. So, it's. it's it's about developing this. discernment. so that we can have a better compass. and and and and recognition of what's. real and what's not because we're we're. living in a misinformation. We're living. in an information age that is. full of misinformation. >> You know, we we've got all these. narrative wars going on right now.

>> And so, and now and we've got AI. If if we if. that's giving too much power to. something that's that's not that's. that's made by humans, but it's not um. but but it's it doesn't have humanity. Mhm. >> And and so so I think that we need to it. really uh behooves us to develop our. strong. gut and heartbased.

uh intuition. that then guides us to navigate all of. the you know all that that we're in. because yeah there are a lot of dangers. of AI and part of why I have wanted to. get this research about telepathy out. there is that I want people to realize. that we innately are capable of so much. more. And I believe that the that.

we. we will always fall short in terms of. what we invent. compared to. nature, the natural divine design of. everything. I mean, the deeper I went. into science, the more exquisite. it took my breath away. The more and. more I saw how wow. I mean, it's like.

the the the blueprint of life is just so. amazing. And for us to think that we can muck. around with it and and and improve upon. it really concerns me. You know, I'm. concerned by things like transhumanism. I'm concerned by things that are going. that are just assuming that something is. superior to us and then is going to be. taking humanity in a direction where. we're not um.

>> trying to overpower the laws of nature. >> Yeah. Overpower the laws of nature. I. mean, you know, a lot of the troubles. that we have today in the world are. because we thought that we could, you. know, we saw nature as something that we. needed to dominate and and and and and. drive in the way that we wanted to drive. it. rather than how do we harmonize with it. and how do we optimize it. >> Interesting. Well, Diane, I would love. to go further and this has been a.

fascinating discussion. I know you have. a flight to catch. Um, so we'll end it. I I would love to have you back. >> Well, thank you. Love to be back. >> But, um, but I don't want you to miss. your flight, so I'm going to end it. And, uh, I just want to wish you the. best in in your research and your. studies, and I I cannot wait to see you. again. So, thank you so much. >> All right. Thank you. [Music].

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