Chris Miller - The Future of Warfare | SRS #88

Previously on the Shawn Ryan Show, the leader of ISIS was Abu Bakr. Elbaghdaddy. I. mean, I usually don't do good and evil. When you're talking about your enemy, I. don't think it's helpful. I think it. colors your judgment. I've been here too long and I've been. very sick and it's it's very terrifying. here. My name is Caleb Mueller. I need. your help. This guy was the definition of evil. Uh. he.

is an evil man. Baghdaddy, evil of evil. Uh everybody's looking for him. His. trade craft is really good. He would burn people alive, behead them, put kids in cages. When our intelligence officers put their. mind to it and our special operators put. their mind to it, you can run but you. can't hide. The announcement comes to. the Pentagon that the United States will. provide no additional support to uh. Afghan government and I was like the.

war's lost. That's infuriating. Here we are. Yeah, man. Um. I had a complete meltdown, dude. And I'm. I'm supposed to be a welladjusted. veteran, right? I'm like, wow, if I'm feeling this way, can you imagine? All right, Chris, we're back from the. We're back from the break now and uh. I got a whole slew of topics that I want. to go over with you. What do you We'll speed it, man. You.

just hit it and I'll like hit it hard. Well, let's see. We got future warfare, the industrial the military-industrial. complex, Iraq was based on lies, energy. weapons, January 6, China, Russia. Oh we'll be done by what 12:30. tonight. It's only about 10 hours. We'll. get a good dinner. We'll get a good. dinner. So, let's just let's kick it off. here. All right. There is so much happening in the world. right now, you know, and with with.

China, Russia, Ukraine, the border. Um, I mean, Taiwan looks like that's about. ready to kick off any day. the co, you. know, stuff that we're just kind of. starting to move past. I think the. pandemic and the US dollar seems to be. collapsing. I don't know if that's fear. I'm not a finance guy, but it's getting. serious. You know, this bricks, you. know, um. yeah, you know, Brazil, Russia, India, who else? China, South Africa,

right? We we have all these the deals. that have been made. the the Chinese. just negotiated the deal with Iran and. Saudi Arabia and then they just. negotiated another deal with Brazil. It. sounds like they're going to drop the. dollar. What What do you think is is. as is Americans, you know, what is the. United States. biggest external threat right now? In. your opinion, I get I get asked that and I always turn.

it. I'm like, I think the biggest. external threat is actually an internal. threat. I think we are spending so. freaking much money right now. We're. just printing money and what are we at? I don't even know how many trillions of. dollars in debt we are. And. I'm not a finance person either. But wow, like checkbook in money coming. in, money going out doesn't make any. sense to me. and like, oh, you know, you.

can go to 110% of debt against GDP. Nothing to worry about here. And when. you get when you get to 200%, usually. your government's going to collapse. Your economy is going to collapse. So, I'm kind of right there right now. And I. think the other stuff spins out from it. to tell you the truth. So, like until we. get our house in order here, you know, we're just getting taken. advantage of. I you know if if we were.

looking at this as the OP four as the. opposition force you and I were like. let's let's see how we should screw with. America. uh it would it would probably be all the. things that are happening now that in. our in our nation and also we'll go back. to Afghanistan I mean the way we we. pulled out of there everybody wants to. say it was not everybody but some people. want to say nothing to see there just. it's one of those things but I really. think that that showed our belly to the.

rest of the world. What happens after. that, Sean? You saw it. The Chinese. start flowing. Dude, they were flying. Well, just then, back then, they were. flying what 60 70 fighters towards. Taiwan, crossing into the whatever, across that line, and then coming back. out just testing us, right? It was like. the classic bully thing. I think the. Russians got I think I think they saw. withdraw how we did our withdraw in. Afghanistan as a green light. They're.

like we got this. Americans are are. weak. They miscalculated there. So that. that's my my quick answer is I think. this internal thing, but it comes back. to like a lot of the other things you. just talked about in your laundry list. of 15 things. You know, defense. industrial complex, what's our national. strategy look like? How do we engage in. the world economically? So. well, why do you what? So yeah, I said I. said the I said external threats. You. brought it internal with our spending. What.

what is that going to do? Explain that. to the audience. What is what is the. what is the excessive spending? What's. going to happen? Well, you just brought up the issues. with the dollar is being. collapsing. Collapsing. you know, our our bread and. butter, pun intended, was uh. you know, the United the dollar was the. reserve currency. You had uh you had. David McCormack, he knows all this. stuff. I don't I'm like you. I just know.

that it doesn't sound right. And the our. greatest strength, I believe, is our. economic power, right? I also think it's. our informationational power. I think. that I think the vision of America of. what we want it to be that we all. believe in, we don't always achieve it. I got all that. We can go on all day. about that. So, I think theformational. element of power and the economic. element of power are critical. You know, they call it the dime, right? Diplomatic, when we're doing strategy,

when you're at the Pentagon or at the. White House doing strategy, diplomatic, there are four tools of power. Diplomatic, information, military, economics, right? And it's how you bring. those together is how what your strategy. is and what obviously the first question. is what are we trying to do with the. world right and it comes. that's why I thought the last. administration was neoisolationist which. was like pull everything back in let's. get our house in order here before we.

start going off and trying to fix the. rest of the world because like business. business people what do you do when. things are unstable and chaotic, you. hedge. Don't put any bet too big on any. one thing. Do a little here, do a little. there. See how things work out. So we. I'm worried right now. We're too heavily. invested in the military, right? So our. the amount of money that we can spend in. the United States, they call it. discretionary spending, meaning it's not. tied up in Medicaid, Medicare, Social.

Security, the rest of the budget. Like I. looked this up online and it was the. government accounting office. Like 60%. goes to the military. You can't even find out how much goes to. information. Diplomacy's couple percent. 6%. Economics is department of treasury. Really hard to nail that down. I'm like, let's go ahead and recalibrate a little. and let's put more into economics. Let's. put more into information. Let's put. more into diplomacy. That's my thing.

And so that's why I think it's incumbent. that we we we're too strategic overreach. they call it. You know, we're we're. engaged in too many places. It's. collapse it in a little bit. Just like. you're running your business. Well, hey, uh going to be lost an advertiser. My income stream's going to drop by this. much. I'm going to have to make. adjustments and something else. That's. where I think we should be right now.

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No clue. Sorry. Serious face. Got. nothing. All right. You know, I've got no internal light and. if I knew something, I'd vo I'd pop off. Well, I've heard you talk about what. external threats, and this is where I. was going before you brought in the this. the excessive spending, uh, which which. I personally would consider an internal. threat. I've heard you say that the. biggest threat to the United States. right now is the fentanyl crisis. Mhm. Why do you think that over everything.

else, over China, over Russia, over all the other things that we're. facing? first meeting I got to go into. the Oval Office was on. um it was right before Christmas. I. can't remember what year it was. Well, it was probably 20. 19. Um the there. a Mormon. uh segment had been attacked and a bunch. of people had been killed. Americans.

have been killed. Do you remember that? Right in the border. And then one of the. drunk cartels took over a town in the. south of Mexico and just like was. basically took it town over and I got. invited to be in the chief seats in the. Oval Office which I'd never been into. uh for a meeting. and I was like oh hell yeah I'm going to. this thing because I was doing. transnational threats as well as. counterterrorism.

went in there and the subject, oh, you. know what it was? It was the same day. that Saudi pilot down at Pensacola. shot killed I think three people. Do you. remember that terrorist attack? So. that's the day I I can't remember, but I. remember that event. and went in there. and presidents at his desk and then he. had all the cabinet advisors lined up in.

chairs like in front of him like school. That's how we did the thing. I got to. sit on one of the couches that you see. like you know cuz I'm I'm a nobody, right? Like yeah, you can go and then I. found out later I wasn't supposed to be. in there but I just walked in anyhow so. whatever. And at the time the president said, uh, 77,000 Americans are being killed. each year due to elicit drugs coming in.

from south of the border and we're not. doing much about it and I want to fix. that. And he that was his point about what do. we have the military for if it's not to. defend our borders? And I'd been working with a partner on. getting additional Department of. Defense, military support on the border. And one of the key things that the. military wanted and the counterdrug. people wanted was this simple radar that.

if they had this radar, and it was. expensive radar, but it doesn't matter. It's in the system, right? They wanted. this radar and that would help them see. this whole different quadrant of the. Caribbean to track aircraft coming in. And right now we're kind we were kind of. blind. The Department of Defense was. like, "We can't give you that radar.". Like, "Why not?" They said, "Because. it's because we we we've pivoted and. we're focusing on China, Asia, Indo-Pacific.". Like, "No, no, no, no.

77,000 Americans are being killed every. year. That radar could reduce them out of. that." Fought them kicking and. screaming. You would have thought that. it was the like we were going to like. kick him out of the Pentagon or. something. That was my first wakeup call. But the. president brought up 77,000. Of course, it got politicized. Oh, this is just. another play to shut down the border, build the wall, whatever the hell all. that stuff was. But it wasn't. It was.

focused on the fact that how many. Americans were killed in our uh in our. 20-year war? Let's call it 6,500 7,000. Vietnam War. What? 60,000. Every year 77,000. You know what it is. this year? You know what it is? 117,000. It's got to be over 100,000. 117,000 Americans died this year. primarily because of fentanyl. Of. course, Chinese produced started there. Although they're making the crap out of. that now down south, aren't they? Uh, so.

China's sending in chemists. to teach these cartels how to make that. and supplying the. and and bringing the supplies to make. it. Isn't that Isn't that inherently. governmental function for the military. is to secure our border? Am I missing something here? That's what I'm saying. That's. that's exactly what I'm saying. Am I. missing something? And but then then you get the military. It's like, oh no, we have to focus on,

you know, high-end war fighting near. what do they call it? Pure great power. competition. That's what the buzz word. is now. We have to focus on great power. competition. We have to focus on Asia. and Indopaccom and China and all this. crap. and and. I'm like, "No, the threats coming in. across our border to the south. Let's. use our military capabilities. to defend against that that's killing. this many people." So, I I I'm still.

like gobsmacked about like why we're not. doing more. And then you know the. command the military command that uh. kind of is responsible for the border. there two. One's northern command which. is uh kind of border but the other one. is called southern command which is in. Miami that does Latin America. You know. they're the most they're the most. underresourced command. Like all the. money goes to the Middle East and goes. to the Pacific and these people get.

table scraps. But there's something. interesting happening down there. Sean, and let's if you don't mind. the innovation piece. They have no. money, and you talked about it earlier. When you don't have any money, you have. to figure stuff out. They are doing the. most interesting things with artificial. intelligence, machine learning, data. analytics. They're learning how to use. cheap sensors and platforms because they. don't get anything. So, there's. something really interesting going on. down there. We can come back to that. later. But this fentanyl thing like it.

my thing is a regular warfare. It's. conventional warfare, right? Tanks, planes, ships, you know, clashes of. arms, you know, like huge World War II. battles. There's a thing called a regular. warfare, which is where you're fighting. It's not conventional. It's not like. that. You're fighting for the will and. the spirit of the people, and you're. using different tools. You're using. cyber. You're using psychological. warfare information operations. You're.

using uh you're using your special. operations forces to help local police. forces, local constabularary, coast. guard, military forces to protect to. become professional and also to protect. uh you know. advance our our goals in this case like. hey no more drugs coming in out of your. c country and uh you know I talked about.

strategic overreach so you're listeners. are like this guy said one one on one. hand he's like come back home. The. nuance in my argument is no we need to. have small elements of the intelligence. community and special operators very. small out there sensing learning. supporting and when needed bringing in. additional capability whether that's. from the state department whether that's. like loan programs from the Treasury. Department so that they're out there. So. that's that's kind of where you can save.

money, bring everybody home, but still. keep your sensors out there. But with. the fentanyl thing, you know, that's the. that you've you know, the Chinese had. that uh doctrine total war book by those. colonels. I read that thing when it come. out like ' 90s or something, right? And. they basically promulgated when you're. when you're engaged with an enemy, and. in this case we're the enemy, everything's on the table. You know how.

we think about war? Tanks, ships, planes, people walking around in. uniform. They're like, "No, it's. economics. It's disinformation. It's everything. It's communications. Everything is used to advance your. goals. And this fentanyl thing, there's. some writers that have come out with it, but it hasn't really been embraced yet. I'm very confident that we'll when this.

is all said and done, we're going to go. like that was a absolutely deliberate. part of their total war campaign to. undermine the United States. You're. there, aren't you? Absolutely. Yeah. It's it's happening. It's. undeniable. So, how do we fix this one? Hold on. Let me. backtrack. Why? I don't understand. how this is not a bipartisan.

initiative to secure this border. You. know, at the beginning, I was like, "All. right, they they they it's it's it's. the liberal bleeding heart. They care. about everybody, right? That that that. used to be what I think about that side. It's it's all right. They just they want. to take care of everybody. It's all. peace, love, all that kind of stuff, right?" Which doesn't work everywhere.

But then. new administration comes in. We have. more people in the camps, you know, just. spreading COVID rampid. You got all. these kids separated from their parents. All all this information is coming out. that the border crisis has gotten worse. More people are in the camps. More. people are dying. There's more. trafficking going on. There's more sex. trafficking. There's more drug. trafficking. So, you can't really.

give me the humanitarian argument. anymore. Nobody's doing anything to make. it maybe a little bit easier to come. into the country legally, you know, for. the good people that want to be here. We. obviously need workers. It's getting. hard to find Americans that want to get. off their ass and go to work, right? And. but nothing's being done. That's not. happening. They're not easing up any. immigration. More whatever. I'm just I'm. not going to go over it all again, but. So, I'm not buying the whole.

humanitarian aspect on why we're not. securing the border. So, why don't they. want to secure the border? I It's beyond. me. You know where I'm going to go with. this? Because. I'm going to go with like this political. dysfunction. and I'm not about like my wife's like. it's all over. Like, I don't even know. why we bother anymore. declining power. Just embrace it, you know, circling the. drain. And of course, I'm like, "No.".

Yeah. And I'm I don't want to go like I'm not. a politician, right? So, I hate to go there, but what the. heck? This your show, you cover a lot of. stuff. We need a change, man. We need a change. in in uh leaders in our like how many. It's They're a bunch of geriatrics right. now. Yeah. I mean, come on. Next generation. up to you to your generation. We got to. do something. Do you think that.

I got a I'm not giving up hope. I was. really hoping that more veterans would. uh answer the call. I think we got like. 68 80 veterans serving in elected. positions. Uh, you know, after Watergate. and after we lost the war in Vietnam, 73. was a huge change where they basically. like kicked everybody out and started. over. Biden got elected then whole. generation came up with change and you. know we're going to reinvent this. country. You can argue about the success. they had. I was really hoping that that.

was going to happen because man people. are I don't maybe I'm missing it. Maybe. I'm missing it. I must be missing it. It's just like come on we can do so much. better and why aren't we doing that? Are. we just so in love with our little world. of, you know, our cell phone and our. Netflix that we we're just getting just. getting opiate to the mass? It's not. religion. It's Netflix. But that's so. that's where I am because I I just like. this is a bipartisan issue and I'm with.

if I could I'm going to get yelled at. I'll get all sorts of hate mail. There. needs to be Why can't we update our. immigration system? If somebody wants to. come to the United States, they pass. screening. Why wouldn't we embrace that? I don't I. don't get it. I don't either. You know, I actually I went down. Seriously, Sean, what are we missing? I don't I don't understand it either. I. went down I went down to one of those. border camps and pulled some immigrants. out and interviewed them at a coffee.

shop. And that if it's been about a year. since I did this, so my numbers might be. off a little bit, but if I remember. correctly, this guy, he had made the. track from Honduras. He's been living in. a tent for, I believe, 2 years with his. wife. You know how he makes money? He. has a little cell phone charger, like. one of those battery solar ones, and he. runs around and sells power to anybody. else in the camp for like 25 cents to.

make money. He's been waiting there for. an approval for his immigration. Sounds like our kind of guy. Yeah. For over 2 years. And all he wants. to do is come and work now. All he would. have to do is walk about 5 miles east. and cross the border. But he doesn't. want to. He wants to do it right, you. know? And so in my mind, I'm like I. didn't I that's one two specimens out of. the entire camp. You know what I mean?

But what I'm saying is you you we see. it. You see it everywhere you go. You. see illegal immigrants working. They're. doing lawn care. They're working. factories. They're cleaning. They're, you know, they're doing bluecollar jobs. and they're doing them very well because. no Americans Americans think they're too. good to do this now, you know, and. and so why why aren't they lifting the. policies up a little bit to let these. people in to like the good ones and and.

and yeah, maybe there are a lot of good. ones coming in illegally, but make them. like bring them in legally. That's more. tax dollars, right? And but they're not. they're not doing anything. There's. nothing happening. Nothing. Nothing is happening. It's just one side. batting it back this way and then the. other side bats it back this way and. nothing happens, you know. And so.

I I I just don't understand any of it. But what what was Did you have a plan. for this. for the border for the fentanyl crisis? it uh. so it was really really developmental um. but there was I was very much involved. with some other people and what would. this look like because we've done this. before remember uh probably the first. use was it was it Delta Force their. first kind of coming out was was it.

Pablo Escobar who was the Colombian that. uh. Escobar. was Escobar remember they went we had. people down there for years helping been. assisting with the search. And so that's. another one like, isn't this a special. operations mission? I I'll tell you. what, fellas, men and women in special. operations right now are sitting around. with their. sitting on their hands bored to tears. So we go from, you know, just burning. down the entire organization to now we.

got the next generation who came in. because they want to go deploy sitting. on their hands. And I said, "So, we've. got a threat to the South. This is an. ideal use of all these things we've. learned in counterterrorism about. manhunting and how to, you know, and. because really manhunting could be. applied to so many different things, you. know, fentanyl, drug distributors. It's. networks, right? It's networks. You know. this. It's figuring out networks. We've mastered that. Our special.

operations forces have mastered that. Why isn't this a mission for them? You know, why why not go down? Now, Mexico is a different problem, you know, because that guy's taking over that damn. country. What's his face? Uh, what do. they Amlo? That guy's becoming a. dictator. But that's neither here nor. there. Uh, you know, so they're very. nationalistic. We don't want your help. You just screw everything up. We got a. drug war because of you guys. All this. stuff they say. I believe that to a. point, but not enough. There's other.

stuff going on there, right? A lot of. people getting paid obviously, but the. rest of the world, rest of Latin. America, why why wouldn't we use our military. capabilities? Sensors, come on, man. We. We can We can track those submersles. Have you ever seen any of those? I haven't. The homemade ones. Oh my gosh. Like the. homemade homemade subs. Yes, I have seen. them. That's some That's some innovation. there. We can we can track all that. stuff, right? But we made a decision not. to put the resources against it. And I.

don't know why we have made that. decision. Our goal, our plan where we. were going was to dedicate more. resources, military resources as well as. judicial. At the end of the day, um, judicial. branch, uh, DOJ ended up doing a lot, you know, uh, but we thought that we. could ex we could accelerate and we. could amplify their legal means through. intelligence collection, training of.

indig of local forces and introduction. and change changing the narrative. But. you brought it up, was coming. across from China. We had all our stuff. It was so funny. We'd have all our. sensors. We had this thing set up. perfectly for for marijuana and cocaine. and all that crap. Then all of a sudden. you got freigherss coming across that. are commercial freighters that are not. part of the uh of the sensor and. assessment network. Right? So we had to.

rejigger that. So that's where we were. going with this. You know, the president. said some very very provocative things. uh during these discussions and. everybody took him at face value, but. you know, the president was a real he's. a real estate guy. So, and he's New. York, so he's always going to challenge. you. And he was like the classic old. boss I had growing up. I don't know if. you had him that would always be. challenging you, but if you stood up and. you answered, they were just checking.

your homework. and he'd say some. provocative stuff. I'll tell you what he. said. I'll It's already public. Goes, "Hey, you guys got all those cruise. missiles, got all these great fighter. aircraft. Why don't we just go uh bomb. all these drug labs?". Yes. Question. Why don't we? Well, Mr. President, we absolutely can do that. Be. a violation of. sovereign nation. Uh we probably have.

enough intelligence that we can there's. going to be a lot of collateral damage. and um going to be a lot of blowback on. that. We're going to kill some innocent. people and whatnot. Yeah. Okay. Just. asking the question. I think it's a good. question to ask, isn't it? Yeah. Got all these precision guy munitions. At least it's at least it's starting a. discussion. Yeah. But everybody like he's crazy. He. wants to bomb Mexico. No, he was he was pushing you. I mean, why why isn't this why isn't this at the. forefront, you know? We have So, there's.

this disconnect between Republicans and. Democrats and everybody knows it. We're. dividing. It's It's ridiculous, you. know. But. what do what do we hear? We hear. how how bad the poverty is, the homeless. situation, the the the deaths. 100 What'. you say? 117 I want to say you know last. year I mean and supposedly I mean who. who doesn't want to be on the.

humanitarian mission for our own country. right well you want to fix the human. humanitarian problem that we're having. right now then you fix the. fentanyl crisis you know that takes care. of a lot of the homelessness that takes. care of a lot of broken families that. can you imagine could you imagine like. if some if we had a leader that just. described it the that you did that we're. going to come together as a country and. you know just the way you described it. where do I sign up my kids would be like. yeah I'll go do whatever I need to do.

where do you need me need me to working. here here you you could absolutely rally. couldn't you rally the country behind. that. or are we just dinosaurs you're younger. than I am I would think I mean that's. what I want but nothing is happening and. Um, so let's dive in. How would how. would we fix it? Would you would we fix. our border.

in Mexico or would we fix our border by. operating within within our own border? You got to push it out, you know. And. that's why you can criticize me for. like, oh, you want a strategic. overreach. Strategic overreach is when. you're doing stuff where in places you. don't need to be. This is this is. clearly not one of those cases. So, and. I'm not going to like we can't boil the. ocean, you know, like, oh, if if there. was a better economy in El Salvador,

there wouldn't be all these problems. here. So, you know, you can only do so. much, but um. we have the resources. Uh, let's see. Is it $868. billion dollar a year goes to defense? $868 billion with a B. Let's just call. it a trillion because you throw in all. the intel agencies and all. We'll call. it a trillion.

So, we can't shift resources to a more. holistic. And I'm not saying like, oh, we need to have child care facilities on. every block. Uh, we need to provide a. job to everybody. That's not what I'm. saying. Um, but selectively. targeted program, I bet you the network analysis, we can. find out where the key nodes are to. either attack kinetically or to attack. with program programs, money, people. I.

just bet you we could. Uh but let's be. come on. It starts with interdiction. If if if you can get that's the problem. is, you know, with this fentanyl. Holy. crap. You can get like. so easy to uh hide. I mean, I don't even think we would need. a covert action, you know? I mean, look, the Nordstream pipeline just blew. up. Nobody knows who did it, right? Maybe it was us, maybe it was somebody.

else. I don't know who the hell it was, but why why can't we go back to the old. school days like the OSS, you know, and. and and and things like what is it? What. is all these what are all these. transaction going in? Cash, you know, there's all this human. trafficking They're smuggling. stuff. Guns. You want to hear. lots of guns. Why can't we. maybe I don't know put some kind of. device in the weapon and so.

totally doable. I All this is doable. We. just You're triggering me. You're. triggering me. There's just as much going from the from. the US into Mexico. Well, I guess I. shouldn't say there's just as much cuz I. don't know. But there's a lot of things, money, people, guns smuggled into Mexico from the US. that we could, I don't know, maybe plant. something in knowing where it's going. and then.

that location is now done. And we don't. have to. we don't take accountability for. anything in this country anymore. Why. the hell? You know, you're you're triggering me because uh I. got really deep into this planning stuff. like went to a real dark place. I'm just. learning everything I can. I'm talking. to everybody any organization in. government and uh you brought up gun. flow. That was one of the biggest un.

that was one of the biggest issues and. the Mexicans would be like you guys you. guys just let guns flow into our. country. Not my problem. All right, check this out. And I won't tell where. because then I hope it's been fixed. Something as simple as uh license plate. readers. So, it was a state that will. remain nameless. Border crossings had uh license plate. readers for all vehicles coming from.

America crossing in. Then you could do pattern recognition by. seeing what came back out. And you could. do they put it in the Google and figure. out like, "Holy here are 15. vehicles that clearly are doing. something illicit. We don't know what it. is, but now we're going to go ahead and. focus on it." You know what happened? had to remove those cameras facing north. because it was some lawyers decided that. that could be interpreted as a violation.

of American civil liberties and illegal. search illegal search. Dude, I'm not. making this up, man. I hope it's been. fixed by now. But so that was where we. were like, okay, we need to get that. fixed. Number one, here we have these. huge ideas, right? We're like, oh my. gosh, we can interdict here. We can do. all these things. we can play these. cartels off against each other, you. know, doing all that stuff. And it came. down to like, can we get you go down. there and talk to.

an officer on the border? Like, what do. you need? Like, can we just get those. cameras back north? Something as simple. as that. So, you kind of triggered me on. the gun flow. It's I don't know if it's. any better now, but we we didn't get it. solved. Yeah. Is there anything else we can do to fix. this? Or is it do you think it'll ever. be fixed? What do you think about the idea of. legalizing.

drugs? Do you There's an argument. saying that would end this. Man, I don't know. I'm still I'm still jury's. out on that one for me. You know, marijuana is legal in DC now. I don't. really I'm kind of libertarian. I don't. care. You know, I'm like, do what you. want. It's I don't think it's a big. deal. Uh but.

um. then to legalize drugs, I I just got. instinctually it's kind of this iconoc. classic libertarian. I'm kind of like, I'm not a libertarian, but kind of, you know, do what you want. Just don't do it so you screw with me or. my family. I don't give a what you. do it in your own. Um, my instincts are to say yes. initially, but aren't the Dutch, aren't they. rolling back all their legalization.

stuff after how many years? Yeah. Honestly, I have no idea. I don't know. I don't know, man. I you. know the war they talk about the longest. war was the war on drugs right and we. haven't clearly that's the thing we're. losing that one too can we do something. about it is your answer I think I think. if we mobilize I think we can I. absolutely do well we if we why haven't. we done it already I can hear the. counterargument I don't think we really. tried no I don't think we have either.

kind of halfass just enough to keep keep. the politicians so they can get. reelected All right. That sounded pretty. cynical, didn't it? Yeah. I mean, I believe you had mentioned this ties. into the industrial military complex or. the mil, excuse me, the. military-industrial complex. How is that? Well, just the deficit spending and the. fact that we're spending so much on. defense. Uh, I think some people argue with me,

but I think right now we're spending. more money in peace time on the military. than we ever have before. You get this. counterargument. They're like, but you. have to understand, Chris, uh, the. economy is bigger. So, the way we should. measure defense spending is a percentage. of gross domestic product. Like, I'm. like, okay, we need to have a flat rate. Right now, it's at 2.8. 8%. We need to.

increase to 3% regardless. Now, I I love. that when that's acute approach for them. that advocate for this. This is all the. rage right now. It should be a. percentage of GDP. because that's how we should calculate. this. Now, if GDP falls, I want to see. what they say. You know, like, oh, it's. good as long as GDP keeps going up. But. what happens if you have something. happen and you have a donut hole and we. collapse for COVID or something like. that? GDP drops, what are they going to. say then? Because their budget's going.

to go from a trillion dollars a year to. 800 billion and they're going to scream. bloody murder. But the point uh of that. is, you know, you're talking about the. future. You're talking about China, Ukraine, all this stuff. I just think. we're organized incorrectly as a. military. We're still in this industrial. age. Huge aircraft carriers, 14 billion. a copy. Planes, F-35, $1.5 trillion. life of the program. That's not the. future of warfare, right? You know, like.

right now, like sensors and the ability. to target and take down. offensive weapon systems is so cheap. now, right? That's like, would you want. to fly a helicopter over you over Daetsk. right now? No. Why not? You I know. You know what I'm saying, right? Yeah. cuz some dude's going to jump out. of a a a dugout or from a garage and.

shoot your ass down with a with So. you're flying what's an Apache go for? Well, let's use what they're flying. They're flying Russian made. I think. those things go for like $18$20 million. a copy, right? You hear that crap? Some. kid is going to jump out with a shoulder. fired missile and drop you unless you're. flying at 25,000 ft and then you can't. do anything, right? If you're 25,000 ft, you're not going to can't even see your. target, right? So, if you're flying low, you are going to get shot down, right?

Mhm. End of story. So, how do you counteract that? Like, we're. changing from the power of the offense, you know, World War II, everything, Blitz Creek, we're going back to like. World War I, where defense is more. powerful. It always rotates. You know. that it always like flip-flops back and. forth based on technology, tactics, strategy, and all that. Seems to me that. we're flipping back to where the defense. is more powerful. Uh so because like.

look, where are our phones? I mean, dude, I bet you we could pull up where. every United States ar United States. Navy carrier is probably online right. now. You think we could? I bet you're right. I bet you we could. Now, 20 years ago, that was top secret information, right? Like, oh my god, we were only only a. handful of us had satellites. you. can get commercial satellite coverage. now. You can go to Maxar, right? And. say, "Hey, I'll buy all the imagery of.

this port, this port, this port, this. port, and you can see you can see where. ships are pretty easy." So, that's. that's kind of my that's my thing is, you know, we're preparing our military. for the wrong thing. We're just the. military-industrial complex. I know I'm talking too much. No, you're not. You got me. You got me fired up. I said the funniest thing one time off. the record that ended up going on the. record where I was talking about the. military-industrial complex F-35s. I.

said all this stuff. It was I thought it. was pretty funny. Of course, Loheed. Martin and others didn't think it was. funny. The producers of these aircraft. I used to get really really angry. like. really really angry at the def major. defense contractors that are, you know, making these exquisite weapon systems. like, you know, hugely expensive, goldplated, you know, oh my gosh, think. and cook your toast in the morning, you. know, launch a dog on anti-satellite. missile in the afternoon and in the.

evening, you know, it can, you know, move cross country and take out some. tanks. I mean, these things are amazing, right? They're incredibly expensive. And. I used to get really really angry at. them. And then I recently it's like, "Wait a second. Pull your head out of. your ass. They're doing exactly what the. system has incentivizing.". Does that make sense? It does. It's like, dude, it was like slap to the. head. I'm an idiot. Stop bitching about.

these companies that are fleecing the. American public. they're doing exactly. what the structure and the system has. incentivized them to do. I was like, "Okay, so stop hating on them and. understand more." So, what do we do is. the question. So, we change where the money's coming. from. Yeah. We give them a new incentive. Got to change the incentive structure. Okay. You you brought up a whole bunch. of companies earlier, people that have.

started their own companies. That's my. gig now. It's like like these small. companies that have really patriotic. people that are doing great work that. want to contribute to national defense. have these incredible products. You name. it, artificial intelligence, uh oh, circuitry, you know, all this sensors, drones, counter drone, go down the list. We could just go down. the list all day long. They can't get in. the game. Uh because the way the.

incentive structure is there's there are. people that are trying to change it but. there has there has to be full like. fullcale rescoping of how we spend our. defense dollars. All right. So you're. you're the you're the um you're a GS13. which is kind of a mid-level bureaucrat. at the Pentagon. you're responsible for. uh you know getting new you're.

responsible for like the new innovative. boot for the army and you have a choice. between a company that has this great. technology great materials great vision. of how to do this and they're small and. scrappy. or you can go to like Wolverine you know. the biggest shoe manu I'm making this up. but you know one of the greatest shoe. manufacture in the world that's going to. make an inferior product, but you know. it's going to get delivered on time. Or.

if something goes wrong and it doesn't. get delivered on time or the quality is. bad and your boss comes down to chew. your ass. and you go, "Hey, I went with Wolverine. It's the world's largest shoe producer.". Oh, okay. Now, what if you said, "Oh, I. went with ABC Footwear out of uh you. know, Deuke, Iowa, and they couldn't. deliver." You're going to get you're. going to get fired. But if you go with. the main one, in this case, like a defense major.

defense company, Loheed Martin, like you. go with Loheed Martin and they fail, you. don't get fired because the incentive. structure like, "Oh, yeah, that happens. No big deal." If you go with uh some. company down here in Franklin that has. an innovative technology and it's new. and it doesn't work exactly right, Congress is going to come in and yell at. the Pentagon. The Pentagon, the poor. person that's up on the hill getting. yelled at, why why did you go with, you. know, Franklin Semiconductor when you.

could have gone with Rathon? And they're. like, oh, because these guys, they're. the best. We got to we got to flip that. That make. any sense or was that too like dorky? I think it makes sense. But you're. saying go after the most innovative. change your incentive structure too. Allow allow the program the guy the. person in the in the government that is. cutting the contract. Allow them to fail. once in a while and don't don't fire. them.

Uh. and work with the work with the smaller. companies for success. Yes. I mean, so so there needs to be. some type of liaison network between. business and government rather than just. Rathon, Lockheed, Boeing. What's the other one? Yeah, but um. yeah, that's that's what I was trying to. get at. Makes a lot of sense. Makes a lot of. sense. What do you think the future of. warfare looks like?

Anybody that predicts is full of. you know. Well, I mean, I'm But you got. to you got to make some you got to make. some assumptions, right? Well, we had. talked we had spoke a little bit offline. about it and. Oh, I was going to give you my answer. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, we're seeing we're seeing. war. I believe we're seeing warfare. right now. I believe we're seeing a huge. propaganda war. We had spoke Well, let's hear what you have to say. I want. to hear from you guys.

As far as warfare is concerned, I think. I think we're in the middle of a war. right now and I think people don't. realize it. I think the fentanyl thing. is part of the war. I think the buying. our politicians out is part of the war. I think the Tik Tok and propaganda thing. that's going on is part of the war. I. think the disinformation thing is part. of the war. I think all the bots that. are. interacting with.

social media outlets as part of the war. All the all the you know what I'm. talking about, right? All the the. Twitter bots, the Instagram bots that. because it it it fires the population. up. It it divides us. I think I think. that the big push on these. on the racism, the the the trans I think. all of that is part of the propaganda. that's that's that's part of the war.

And I think we've spoken about this. earlier and we'll get into it again. I. think that there's a possibility that. all of these these. chemical spills and and and. contaminated water and food processing. plants that are that are catching fire. and blowing up and the 18,000 heads of. cattle that just. blew up. I think that's all part of the.

war. I think it's I think they're. hitting us from every angle possible. except an actual force on force. there. I confrontation, you know, my. smartass remark was going to be and how. good is a M1 main battle tank or an F-35. or a Ford class aircraft carrier to. deterring any of those activities that. you just said. It's completely worthless. Completely worthless. So, we continue to. invest in these hu these miraculous.

weapon systems. that won the Cold War, won World War II. Well, they're new ones now, obviously, but that kind of mentality, right? And success is going to come off of. silicon. It's going to come across from. what's between our ears. And that's my. whole irregular warfare thing is why are. we fighting them the way they want us to. fight them? Why don't we fight the way. we fight, which is use their tools back.

against them, which we can do. information operations. Come on, man. We. We can sell we literally. we we can sell soap to people that don't. need so or that's a bad example. I. wasn't going to, you know, I'm trying to. be careful what I say because you don't. want to say something crazy, but you. know, we can advertise. We can sell you. whatever, right? Sounds cliche. we could. sell, you know, whatever. Um, so we know.

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show. Thank you. We also. um. then. so all the tools they're using against. us we can actually do as well right. so why fight the way the Chinese want us. to fight is you know they want us to. prepare for this huge force onforce. confrontation I don't think they ever.

plan to do that. I don't know either. I think they're like just laughing and. all the way to the bank. Americans, they they like, "We have. hypersonic missiles." Now, I think going. to Taiwan, they're going to have to have. a conventional thing get there, right? I. mean, that's going to be old kind of. D-Day thing. Whatever. Let's take that. one. But when we get off when we get to. competition worldwide, it's like they're. using money. They're using all these tools, disinformation, misinformation, the.

things that you said. So, here's what. I'm rambling, but you just it's like. we're doing exactly what they want us to. do, which is invest in these huge weapon. systems. 14 14 billion for an aircraft. carrier. It can be defeated by a. missile, hypersonic missile. I don't even know what that costs, like. a million. It's still a little steep. But you asked about the future of. warfare. Like I also. I'm with you. Like we have to we have to.

use their tools back against them. Let's. just use a quick example. Um. if you're a totalitarian authoritarian. regime, what's your biggest fear? It's. popular unrest, right? So you need to. have the population because you're. you're tyrants at the end of the day, right? I mean you're totalitarian. regime. You want you need to keep your. population complacent. You can't have. them rising up. That's that's bad for. your governing longevity, right? So,

they need to have an enemy, right? Every. totalitarian regime has to have an enemy. that they can point to their people and. say, "The reason that we're acting the. way we are is because those people mean. to destroy us. So, you need to support. us." So every time we go with this big. conventional, you know, we need to put. more tanks here, we need to put more. aircraft carriers here, plays exactly.

into their narrative that they're using. to with their population, show us as the. aggressor. So why do we do that? Why do. we get why do we feed their. mechanism for maintaining. control? Let's do something else. differently. Let's let's not use that. Let's use like there's a huge population. in China that is uh wants to break away. Why don't we support them? Why don't we.

use like Oh, can I give you a quick one? Here's one for you. the COVID thing. When that broke, I was at the Pentagon. and I was in charge of information. operations as a civilian. and the Chinese right away just started. hammering us. Like there was this one. thing where they accused a a. athlete, an Olympic athlete that was an. American. soldier. I can't remember how they did.

it, but somehow like she had traveled. and they like blamed it all on her or. some crap. And you could see the disinformation. coming out like you could just see it. real time. And they were using the bots. I mean, they were just flooding the zone. with. incorrect information. You want to know how long it took for us. to respond? I went to the first meeting. 30 days after and what really triggered.

it, I forgot the details, but it was. when they accused this woman soldier. that was in the Olympic training. program, a bike rider I want to say. As. soon as they blamed her, it became my. problem because now it was a military. person. Before it had it had just. focused on other stuff. So now I have a. I I we the Pentagon had skin in the. game. So, we got involved. I went to the. first inter agency messaging meeting and.

I'm it's all online, of course, because. we can't get together, Zoom call or. whatever. And I didn't know what was. going on. So, you had the State. Department nitpicking about this, that, and the other thing. And I got on and I. said, I figured we'd had been doing this. for months. I said, "What else have you. guys been doing?" And they said, "This. is our first meeting.". I said, "So we're 30 days after the. initial onslaught of their information.

operation against us and we're having. our first US government inter agency. coordination meeting to how to respond. to CO." I knew I knew we were done at. that point. I was like, "So how do but. your point is we can do better, but. we've decided not to." U so I could go. on all day, man. It's just like we are. looking at this. We have to retool. for a a different type of war that they. are fighting that we are refusing to.

accept and we just want to go back to. World War II. It's all we want. Like. just keep it clean. No, it's not clean. anymore. It's everywhere. You brought up. office of strategic services. It's in my. book. It's like we need to have a new. office of strategic service. young. people that maybe don't want to serve in. the military or they don't want to go. through all that, but they're geniuses. at whatever, cyber, marketing, maybe they just want to serve. and they have these really crazy cool.

skills. Shake and bake them. You know, learning. how to march and salute and put on your. uniform really takes what about 45. minutes. Yeah. Doesn't take eight weeks. bring them in. temporarily. and then have an organization of special. operations have all elements of the. United States power in that one that one. organization. So, and that's that's one. of my things we got to got to really. think about that because we are not.

they're taking advantage of us just. because they know how we do things. Easy. read our books, right? Mhm. I mean, do do we know. do we have them pegged? I mean, can we. is the NSA invol I mean, are we doing. anything about any of this stuff? I don't know. I mean, I don't know. Now, your question like, can we look at their. communication pathways and how they're. doing things? I went to a CI I'll just. tell you straight up. This way I don't. have to like get rolled up by the FBI.

for violating some security oath or. something that I signed and didn't. realize I was talking about secret. information, which this isn't. I went to. a commercial entity that does the uh. scrapes the internet and then can do. these link diagrams and they can see. usage. They just look at the internet. where everything's coming from and they. totally It's not just one. I've seen. several. Apparently, it's not that hard. And it was like, "Okay, this is where.

the Russ is Russian troll farm one. Oh. my gosh, we have a new Russian troll. farm." I while I was there that day. because it just pops off the off the. screen at you. And then you can scrape. out from that. You can see what messages. and what mechanisms they're using. Okay. 64% Twitter, Instagram, blle. And then you can go in now with real, you know, with with machine learning, get that crap translated. You can kind. of get the sentiment analysis and all.

that. You can see what they're trying to. do. We can do that. Your question is, are we doing anything back to them? Don't know. How many countries are involved in this? Can you say that? What's that? We know Russia is, we know China is. Uh, great question. I don't know. Is Iran involved? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Throw Iran in. there. throw North Korea, but they're. not good at it. Yeah, I was going I was. thinking of some other countries, but. yeah, those are the primary ones. What other countries? I was thinking of some countries that.

you wouldn't normally think of, and I'm. not going to tell you because I Sean, sorry. I just don't need the FBI showing. up at my house. I get it. I get it. I don't need them. showing up at my house, too. I'm all the. time, you know. And um. What do you think of Ukraine, though? You were talking about future war and I. was kind of like there's something there. with Ukraine too. Really high-tech and. really low tech. Well, you know, with the Ukraine thing. and I wanted to bring that up after the. break, but we'll talk about it now. You. know,

I don't know. I have. I have mixed feelings on it. I've I've. heard multiple different perspectives. I. one of the. one of the best perspectives I've heard. uh which I had not thought of was from. this guy that was on the show. oh a couple months ago Andrew Bamonte is. a uh. he's a CIA. I watched it. you did so he says we're in Ukraine.

basically to spin up the uh. military-industrial complex which gives. us a positive GDP. I think there's definitely some validity. to that. What I don't. here's what catches me. You know, one is. all the money laundering that I believe. is going on there. Two, they just pegged. this what 21-year-old. National Guard who had for some reason a. 21-year-old National Guard. For those. that are listening, the National Guard.

is basically if you're 21 in the. National Guard, you went there to get free college. money, right? That's it. you know, and probably the best you're doing is. you're doing gate guard and cleaning up. the latrines. You're not like sitting in. with the fourstar generals talking about. the future of war. If you really wanted to serve the. country in a full capacity, then you. would just go active duty, you know, but um and that's not a hit on. any National Guardsman, but let's, you. know, you're not all in if you're in the.

National Guard. We'll just put it that. way. Why does a 21-year-old. in the National Guard have access to. top secret information? And in that, I. don't know what all was in that top. secret information, but one of my former. colleagues. uh at CIA who I trust uh immensely. report came out and in and sifted. through these whatever was leaked. said.

that the media has been reporting that. the Ukrainians have only lost 17,500. casualties. Russia, they reported, lost what? 70, I. believe it was 75,000. casualties. That's what's being fed to. the media. Now, the reality is after the leak came. out, it wasn't 17,500 casualties on the. Ukrainian side. It's 200.

Yeah. 200,000. plus casualties on the Ukrainian side. And I can't I I I would be doing a. disservice to to say the number of. Russian casualties, but it was. significantly less than 75,000. I can I. can look it up um and and bring it after. the break, but you know, and so. we're just lying to our own people. again. And that's just one one thing.

that I know of that's in that that's in. in that information that's been leaked. And so. it just smells like corruption, you. know, to me. You like 21-year-old kid. When's the first time you saw a top. secret document? Well, I didn't see him for a I mean, I. was in special forces for a lot of. years. I don't think I saw my first top. secret report. Long long time. Yeah, it's I don't know. I can't.

remember what was top secret and what. was secret, but. Right. I didn't know either. I just. because you handled them all the same, right? you didn't it was like don't take. this home and you know. I mean I guess what it would have been. crypto probably even though it wasn't. documented it was probably crypto or. maybe some of the mission planning stuff. that we were doing when I when when we. went to Afghanistan so maybe. I don't know it could have been 21 but. it was different. I wasn't a national guards guy you know.

showing up one weekend a month I was a. Navy Seal going to war and had put and. and had had had definitely dedicated a. lot of time and effort to be able to. serve at that capacity, you know, and so. I mean that's. Do you think that stuff was really out. online for months and months and we and. the US government didn't pick up on it? I think that's true. What stuff? the 21-year-old kid, you. know, they said they say he posted stuff. on Discord or one of these chat rooms,

their private chat room, and they say. that he had started posting stuff months. and months ago. And then they only found. out about it when somebody took like. they had their private chat group. One. of the people moved it over to a bigger. platform and that's when it became. exposed to the rest the you know that he. got caught. Uh, I don't know if that's. true or not because I'm sitting here. going, "How much after uh Snowden and. all that, how much money did we spend to.

clean up?" You remember like, "Oh my. gosh, you couldn't have a thumb drive. anymore. You had to have 18. authentication sources. you had to have. this key thing, you know, and and uh we. did that and we had top secret documents. out. in the ether for months and months and. months. I don't know. Yeah. If that's true, who's who's accountability? Nobody, you.

know, no, you know, some poor, you know, E6 is going to get fired over this. some. junior sergeant who who signed off on. the guy's uh CAC card so he could access. the uh the the facility is going to get. fired. Yeah. I mean, what what do you think. about it, though? Are we there to spin. up the military-industrial complex or. are we there to cover up corruption. or what what are we doing.

in Ukraine? Yeah, I'm all right bleeding the Russians, tell you the truth. Uh, oh, there to bleed them of their. resources. Yeah, I'm kind of I'm all right with And. I know a lot of people like, "Oh, we're. spending all this money. It's 30. billion. We haven't spent near that." I. think we're I think they need artillery. ammunition and other things other than. all these sophisticated weapon systems, which plays into like if you don't know. what to do, do what you know. Send them.

high-tech stuff. They don't need. high-tech stuff. They need they need. kinetic weapons like, you know, gunpowder, explosives with, you know, artillery, old school. Um, you need some. air defense stuff, too. So, there's. something to that. Uh, I I I agree. because that's just the way the machine. works. It's just the way the machine. works. Um, now your question though is. kind of a little much more nuanced than. that. I I I got that. Like are we just. there to you know sell guns and stuff?

Yeah. Nah, I'm not there yet. You're not there? I'm not there yet. I'm not saying I. won't change my mind. I'm just not there. yet. I still think, you know, supporting. the Ukrainians, fighting the Russians, I'm I'm good with that. Uh good question. everybody asks. What's the end state? I don't know. Uh, Russians stop.

fighting. And then my other thing is the. Ukrainians get a vote in this. We I get. I get tired of like we the United States. somehow can dictate to the Ukrainians. I. get it's time to stop fighting now. Actually, they'll f they'll decide when. that is. Um, yeah, that corruption. What? It was one of the most corrupt. countries in the world. Probably still a. lot going on. I don't know, man. I still. I still believe a little bit, Sean.

Sorry. After all we've been through, I. still believe a little bit that maybe. this one maybe things will turn out. better on this one. Maybe Zilinski is. the real deal. Maybe, you know, you want. to hope that, don't you? Don't you want. to hope that this is truly like people. fighting for their freedom against. Russian atrocity? I want to believe. that. But the way I understand it is. that. the portion of Ukraine that is being.

fought over is all Russian influence. And those people that live there want to. become part of Russia. Now that these. new numbers are out and there's been. 200,000 Ukrainians, 200,000 plus. Ukrainians that are dead, I wonder what. the population is of the small portion. of Ukraine that Russian. Now, there you go. That's that's a. pretty dark assessment of where you're. going. I'm not discounting it. Did 200,000 plus people just die for.

25,000 people? Yeah. That don't want to be part of. Ukraine anyways. Yeah. Well, you know, it seems that. that's that's going to end up being the. negoti eventually when this war and they. just. when this war ends, you know, and I. think it's just going to be exhaustion, right? And they're not exhausted yet. They're still willing to keep fighting, you know, but eventually, don't you. think that's going to be kind of that. will be the agreement, you know? Yeah. I mean, but the Ukrainians get to decide.

and the Russians get to decide to keep. fighting. We don't. That's my point. I don't know. Still trying to figure it. out. You've been You haven't gone over there. You should take the show over there. I've been invited. I bet you have. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I want to keep the. hope, you know. I want to keep the hope. with a lot of things. cuz I got a. 19-month old boy I'm trying to raise and. I would like to see the country not go. to complete before you know. but um.

but you know it's it's it's. hard to find positivity today Chris you. know everywhere I look. I hate what I see what are we going to. do about it Sean you always ask me what. we're going to do about it I told you my. my thing is like, man, I got a hell of a lot of confidence in. these young people, but they just need. some they need some leadership. And.

that's and maybe that's just easy for me. to say because that's the way we were. raised. That's that was our first. careers, right? It's all about. leadership. I still believe, you know, and I and. there's got to, you brought up the. vision of the fentanyl thing that could. be used as a rallying call for America. and I just we have this deficit of. leadership right now and then, you know, you look out there like, okay, so who. could step up? I don't know, man. I'm.

pretty I'm, you know, I'm hugely. cynical, too. I don't know who's going to step up, you. know, and and somebody out there. I. mean, I don't know if it's I'm starting. to wonder if it's even possible to bring. unity to the United States because. you're going to fight the media. No. matter who you are, no matter what you. stand for, you know, they're going to destroy you, man. If if the right's going to destroy the. left, the left's going to destroy the. right. And it's just this, it's just the.

pendulum's just swinging farther and. farther each way. And. why would anybody volunteer to serve in. a elected capacity or in a really. public, you know, capacity if they're going to. get destroyed? Like so all you're going. to have are megalomaniacal people, narcissists, and psychopaths, which might, in my humble opinion, that's kind of what we have right now. No, I'm serious. I'm with you. I am with.

you. What kind of person would be like, "Hey, um, I'm going to go ahead and run for. public office. I'm going to get. destroyed in the media. I'm going to get. absolutely. social media is going to tear my family. apart and call me names and all this. stuff. And I'm going to keep doing. that." And because like you you can do. so much about like this is about the. country, but then you bring your family. into it and you're like why would I ever. put my family through that something. like that. The only people that would do.

that are people that are psychopaths, narcissistic or uh so egotistical it's. off the charts which would put them in. some sort of narcissistic category. You. know, it's like that's what worries me. We are literally destroying. our seed corn. Why? Why would Why would. anybody surf. just circus? And you know what, Sean? They don't give a It's It's It's. sport in DC to build people up and then.

just destroy them. I mean, I got to see. it kind of firsthand, you know? Fortunately, I just had 73 days, although it keeps kind of going on and. on, but that's all right, you know. Um, like you can faith faith can get you. only so far, right? You know, you can bring up your biblical. verses all day long, but man, when when. they're destroying your family, you. know, are destroying your reputation. My. wife, man, it's like the only thing we.

have is our reputation. That's heavy, man. Yeah. You know, so and I'm I'm older in my. life. I'm in a good place. Don't really. give it, dude. I don't really care about. like oh did you see I everybody like. sends me the latest crazy thing from. Twitter social media some crap you know. like what like are you guys stalking me. or what it's kind of cute you know like. wow some I don't do it but I get it you. know I get it in my feeds and all and. I'm like I don't care I literally don't.

care but you know that's easy for me to. say when you're younger person or it's. your spouse or a family member And you. know, people are like destroying you. Yeah. So, I'm I'm worried, too. I I. totally am. That's why Okay, I'm going. to put I'm going to give a plug. That's. why the what you're doing is important, man. Well, thank you. I know. It's a pain in the ass, cuz you. get you get your ass beat up pretty bad, too. It's heavy. It's heavy conversation, you.

know. Yeah. You know, and then you got your. boy now. So, you know, your wife, she's. she's like, "Whatever." Yeah. you know, paying the bills. It's good. Love you. Proud of you. But then all of a sudden, can you imagine your boy gets his first. cell phone, right? You're not going to. give that to him till he's like 12, right? Oh, it'll be later than that. When are you going to give him his cell. phone? I don't know. Yeah, we haven't crossed. that bridge. But. that'll be a fun one. You know, instead. of him going to sneak cigarettes behind. the house, he'll be sneaking his uh his.

cell phone that he has stashed like in a. concealment device. Yeah. You know, uh I. one of the topics that I'm really diving. into this year, we haven't released. anything yet, but we've got um we've got. a couple in the can that we're getting. ready to release is the sex. exploitation, sex trafficking piece. Mhm. And. you know, there's 366 million videos of. kids being exploited sexually in this. country. That's rotating around.

today. That's insane. So, I interviewed one of. these guys, his name is Matt Murphy, and. he said, "When you give your child a. phone, not only are you giving your. child access to the world, but you're. giving the entire world access to your. child." And that really resonated with. me and. I'm going to take that very seriously. when it comes to raising my kid. Yeah. Well, that's good because you're. going to go off-rid because that kid is. going to have So, can you imagine the.

pressure in our day? What was it was. like what kind of shoes you wore, whether you had enough money to buy. Levis's as opposed to Kmart, you know, jeans. That was my thing, you know, like, oh, can you afford Nikes? Oh, you. know, my mom, she'd be great. Go, we're. going to go get these shoes. And we'd go. to, you know, famous footwear or some. crap. And I get these, you know, shoes. I'd be like humiliated. I can't wear. those. you know, now you're going to. have now I can't imagine younger people. now the stresses and the pressure.

they're under to uh with with just being. connected and all that. So, you're going. to tell you that'll be good. I want to. see that one. I'll come back. I'll come. back in 10 years. Invite me back in 10. years if I'm still alive. I'm gonna be. like, "Hey, Sean, how's it going with. the cell phone for your kid?" He's what? He's uh 11 and a half now. Yeah. What do you think, man? I don't think I'm going to give it to. him. I don't think I'm going to give it. to him.

Did you ever get a fake driver's. license? Oh, yeah, definitely. Like, I got to learn like I'm all about. like my my crazy fascinations like money. laundering and all this illicit. activity. I don't know why. Well, there's a reason why I was involved in. some stuff, you know, where we had to. think about stuff like that, right? So. my kids, you know, they do the they got. the fake license, right, where they. literally send off to China with a. photo, they get back like like first.

rate. I was like, "Wow, man. That's. that's impressive." And like I like the. kids tradecraftraft. They get like a. P.O. box. It wasn't coming to our house. or they'd have it sent to somebody else. Your son will be having his uh his cell. phone. He'll He'll have a burner phone. I'm sure he will. You know what I'm saying? I'm sure he will. Uh good luck with that. It's It's. important. I know. I I'm glad I'm out of. par the kid raising business. I don't.

know how how you do it these days. All. the challenges just all out there. And I. You're right about the um child. exploitation videos. Holy crap. I can't. even imagine, man. It's it's it's it's. running rampant and nobody's talking. about it. There's only 8,000 law. enforcement officials throughout the. entire world. trying to do something about this. In the world, horrifying.

Yeah, there's 366 million videos. just in this country. That's 8,000 in. the world. Well, that's that's why this. AI thing just bugs me is. we commercialized it so much. I love. that chat GBT. Hey, so can I give you a. hint? We were talking about having to. give public speeches and all. My party. trick now is I go to chat GBT and I'll. write in motivational speech for. whatever and it kicks out three. paragraphs. I'll read them. They suck,

but it's really funny. And I'm like, that's chat GPT. I'll give you the real. speech now. Uh but uh yeah, but you know. the thing with AI that worries me and. I'm not like Elon Musk thing's going to. take over like kill us all although it. could. Uh as long as we allow like how. much more information do we need to. have? Like Facebook started as this. beautiful thing that was going to. connect the world. Remember it was. glorious. Nothing to worry about here.

Tearing apart our country, screwed up. elections, you name it. like how much. more damage can that thing do? And. you're see you're hearing the same thing. with artificial intelligence right now, right? Like, oh, it's all good. Don't. worry about it. We're a mature. organization. We would never as soon as. you put that money behind it, you know, that thing is going to get perverted and. we have no idea what the second and. third order effects of this thing are. You brought up like all the crazy stuff.

online right now. Can you imagine where. this thing could go? So, well, you know, it it's it's going to. cause a decline in population for sure. So, in Japan right now, they're way. ahead of us in AI and as far as as far. as like commercial use and stuff. And. so, in Japan, they're having online. sexual relationships with. I mean, it's all artificial. intelligence. Yes. And so.

what's happening is the fertility rate, the sperm count in males is dropping. because you you've heard the term you're. not use don't use it, you lose it, right? So sperm counts in males are declining. Fertility rates in females declining. because they have these AI sexual. relationships. Now they have a declining population. That's going to happen here. I think. it's going to take out entire.

industries. It's going to What do you. need a writer for for a TV show anymore? You don't. You have chat GBT. You don't. need You can generate an image. I mean, we've all seen the images of Trump. getting arrested. Uh we've seen images. of Biden, the Pope and his uh puffy. That was a. good one. Yeah, we've we. I couldn't believe that one actually. But then they showed his hand. They're. like, "It's a fake because his hand is a. little off." But they figured out how to. manipulate it now, too. because it. always come down to that you can always.

identify off the hands, right? And. they're like, "Oh, no, no, we we got. that now.". Yeah. You know, and and we're in this. age of disinformation. How easy would it. be to create something of, I don't know, the president of the United States, saying we're going to war with China, and it was all generated off. artificial intelligence. You know, I. think it's going to take over the entire. medical industry. They're they're. already saying that they can plug in. these symptoms in your DNA into these AI.

things and it'll diagnose you, you know, like that, which is a you know, partially it's a good thing, but it's. going to Why do you need doctors? Hey, so what did you find out about your. dog on heartburn? You had that looked at. yet? I did. We're good to go. Well, I'm. having surgery. I'm getting scoped. But um by an actual doctor, not an AI. bot. But uh. well, it's only a matter of time, man. But yeah, you know, it scares it does it. scares the out of me. And I and.

there's so many things that I'm. I'm not thinking of, you know, already. But I mean, it's going to wipe out. entire industries. I mean, it's going to. get to the point where I don't need to. have you come down here. Or I can just. say, "Hey, generate me an an interview. with Chris Miller, former Secretary of. Defense.". And it'll just come out crazy. It'll. come out crazy talk, Sean. It'll be. it'll be funny. But. can you imagine? It'll be the It'll be. all over the map. right now, you know. But it's that.

shit's scary. Oh, yeah. To me, it's legit, you know, and and and. yeah, I think we definitely have uses. for it, but. I mean, just to your example, you know, we we saw where social media went. It's. a complete disaster. It's a dumpster. fire. It's divided the entire. Sean, that was going to that was going. to bring people together. It was going. to allow America to, you know, govern. differently in a good way. Remember all. that crap? Yeah. like, oh, and now it's like just a.

veestering cesspool. Yeah, but but it does it's it scares the. hell out of me now. And what do you do. though? Cuz all these other countries. are it's a race. It is a race. And so if we don't participate in the. race, then what happens? Yeah. I just think let's put in a couple. guard rails. I'm I'm I'm I'm not a big. fan of government regulation typically. because it slows everything down. But.

for like public safety, this seems to be. one of those things like Food and Drug. Administration started out as a really. good idea because you shouldn't be, you. know, killed by polluted food, right? Uh. there's got to be a way to put a. protocol in there. But man, hey, so did you remember uh they had the. Tik Tok guy up in the hill uh wire. brushing him a couple weeks ago. Yeah, it was pretty funny. We were talking. about that at home. You saw the. politicians, they were really careful.

like they'd wire brush him a little bit, but my wife goes, they got to be careful. because there's a lot of the future. voters. that are going to vote for them someday. or against them. Love them some Tik Tok. And I started watching the whole thing. differently, you know, and it was. interesting. I was like, "Yeah, they're. they're kind of triangulating a little. bit, like they'll beat the they'll kick. this guy in the you know what, and then.

they'll have another thing." So they. were saying something to all these. different audiences. and I I was like, "Yeah, you take my. kid's Tik Tok away, my son. I mean, I. think he will revolt. I mean, like he. will march on. it. It's it's he'll overthrow the go. I. mean, the Tik Tok generation, you take. their Tik Tok away, I think we could. have a problem, Sean. Yeah. I just made that up, man. I was just. thinking about it, though. You know, we. talk about internal disscent and. internal problems like that thing. back.

to your back to your thing. The Chinese, how brilliant is that? That's like a. mind control experiment. Remember. Manurion candidate? Yeah, they that was so junior varsity. That was so 1950s. Like, holy crap. I don't know, man. Yeah. Well, let's uh. let's move on to. let's move into these energy weapons. Let's get into some positive stuff that.

we're making. So, at breakfast this morning, you told me. that you are consulting with some of. these companies that are coming out with. these energy weapons. Can you describe a. little bit about what these are? Yeah, I. mean finally, you know, lasers and all. that stuff, all that good stuff, but. really it's high high energy. I'm not a. scientist, so I'm like an inch deep mile. wide, but that's been my life. We're. finally at a place where we can generate.

enough power to like use directed. energy, lasers, um um microwave stuff. And you know, I'm in I I actually. am in the uh drone counter drone. business because small businesses and. I'm not like giving a shout out to my. companies. That would be lame. Although. I'd be happy to, you know, text me. Um. cuz I was complaining about the. military-industrial complex and how we.

need this. It's like it's easy to just. talk but maybe, you know, you. should do something about it. I'll fail, but I'm going to try. to, you know, accelerate the adoption of. next tech next generation technology to. defend the United States. And it's. drones, man. I mean, what they're doing. with drones in Ukraine on both sides is. just the start, right? It's going. it it's going to a whole next level. You.

act you ask like what's the future of. warfare look like? It's going to there's. going to be a huge uncrrewed unmanned. thing right now like oh DJI drone $2,000. send it in you know send three of them. in dude we're going to a place where. it's going to be a$ 1,00. drones that are going to go in and so. the interest is how do you destroy. swarms of cheap.

uh uncrrewed food unmanned vehicles that. are just swarming at you. And we're. finally at a place the laser is not the. answer right now. Uh cuz it it can't get. enough shots. But this high energy. microwave thing, basically. the scientists have figured out a way to. basically put up a wall of energy that. when anything with an microchip, electronic circuit hits that thing, it's.

done. Right? It's kind of like. electronic. You talk about EMPs on some show, haven't you? Yeah, a couple of them. It's essentially a mini EMP type thing. that doesn't like go one what was what. was that book? One second after, one day. after, one year after, whatever. That's. a good book. Um, so they there's a way. to modulate it right now and to use. these weapon systems. Problem comes down. to energy, right? to generate that much. energy requires in the past, you know,

would require like, oh yeah, the laser. is this big and the truck that has the. power generators like, you know, is. 18-wheeler. Getting to the point now where you can. generate power rapidly and you can pulse. it out. We're not there yet, but for. it's a game changer. So, are you saying we could create a. Mhm. a wall? Yes. Of energy. Yes. So could we. like some Harry Potter thing, man? Do we have a wall of energy around the.

United States? Not yet. That is that coming? It's totally within the realm of the. possible. So this is. that was my point about defense against. offense. Remember, so these supersonic missiles that China. that uh China's developing. are. if we had a wall of energy are basically. obsolete already, right? So let's go ahead and invest a. lot more. Star Wars Reagan was his idea like we'll. shoot down their missiles with lasers. and stuff.

That was kind of an information. operation because he knew that we. couldn't do that right now, but we made. them think we could. So, they kept. spending more money and we bankrupted. them. That's really what happened and. how the Cold War ended. Uh. so I don't want to like overpromise but. we're on the verge of you know a. breakthrough with continental defense. where we can protect ourselves from. incoming missiles. Yes. Which is what. Reagan started. Uh so that's why I did.

the offense defense thing like the power. of the defense I think is stronger right. now. So let's let's stop and we need to. invest correctly. And so we talked about. future of war. It's not going to they're. going to be times where they're mass. forces ma going against each other but. the start of the wars are going to be. very very discreet. They're going to be. you know cyber who knows maybe you said. it's already started. I'm not. discounting the fact that I do think. that they're uh probing our systems our.

computer systems our industrial control. systems. Absolutely they're doing that. I think that's public knowledge to tell. you the truth. You know they're doing. their reconnaissance phase. So that's. how that shit's going to go down. initially. Uh. but eventually. all that stuff's going to be we're going. to have fired all our weapons, cyber, everything else, and now it's back. What. do we do now? You know, and whoever can. regenerate combat power fast enough. It's like satellites are going to get.

taken out, right? Oops. Satellites are. going to get taken out. We're going to end up launching more. satellites. Chinese will launch. Everybody will launch. And eventually um. they're going to be who no more. satellites left cuz they're we're out of. satellites. What do they what you know. it costs a lot of money and then it's. just going to be back to the old school. And that's that's why the Ukrainian. thing like high-tech with low tech. I. think you're going to have this back and.

forth, but at the end of the day, you. know, it's just going to come down to uh. duking it out. But that's a little. different than the high energy weapons. we were talking about. Like. like you need to have the ability to. defend for a discreet amount of time. because they're going to shoot all their. stuff and then then we have to have a. different plan after that. That's incredible. I had no idea we had. that technology. It's coming. We have it for like very like we went.

out now and got one of the Leonitis. systems and Eperis. I'm no I don't work. for him, so I'm not getting any money. for a public, you know, shout out to. him. I should I should be wearing like I. should, you know, I should be like a. NASCAR guy. Damn, I was going to go buy an energy. weapon, but. I should I should have been like a. NASCAR or an F1 driver and just came in. here with all these like like I got. Lockheed Martin. I'm like, "Hey, I'm. going to the Shawn Ryan show. You want. I want a wall of energy around my home.". I'm the same way. So, yeah, it's it's.

getting there. There'll be defenses. against it, but we're we're about at the. point I'm a little down on lasers and. I'll get yelled at just because take a. lot of power and it's not like in the. movies where it's like like you got to. like have that thing on target on a keep. component to burn through and they can I. mean the Israelis have systems that they. can do it with, but I'm I'm like that's a good that's a. good brochure, a good video like in the.

height in the in the heat of combat. I'm. not there yet, man. I'm not I'm like. that's really good when you're on this. perfectly bright day, conditions are. perfect, temperature 62 degrees, no. wind, light, you know, off to this way, fly the something directly towards me, and then the laser is like. like when that thing starts doing all. this, I'm not convinced. I'll get you. I'll I'll get some help with that. I'm.

sure I'll get some defense contractor. going, "Oh, actually, we can do that.". I'm not there with lasers yet. What's power in these? How accessible is the power? That's that's going to be the That's the. key thing is they figured out how to uh. generate bursts of power. And I I'm not. a scientist. I don't know. Uh, but. they've, that's the key thing is they. miniaturaturized these things from 18. wheel trailers down to like, you know, trailer like a like a trailer.

I wonder what they're pulling from. Sorry, I'm geeking out on you. No, I love this stuff. Yeah, you need to get get somebody in on. that. I'm trying. You got any ideas? Yeah, connect me. Yeah, I'll get them on here. They're not paying me either. I just, you know, I don't care if they are paying you. I. want to hear about that. All right. You gave me the green light. Hey, I got an opportunity for you for. $50,000. I can get you in the shot. Make. some money. No, I won't do I would I would never do. that, man. To you. Make some money. Somebody else maybe. But um Well, I think that's that's I.

think that's a plus. That's that's some. good technology that's coming out. I. mean, we just had that spy what how many. spy balloons just came over? You know, maybe they got zapped. Although they did come out and say that. they did extract a lot of information. from our military bases from it. Oh, I think I bet you they had a. windfall. What do you think? I don't know what to think anymore, man. I'll tell you what on that one. I'm. pretty black and white. Should this whole narrative like, oh,

actually, we just wanted to see their. capabilities and we were aware of it and. we minimized exposure, all that. I think it's complete. I I I'm. not I don't think so. I think they stole. a march on us and uh and they got a they. got a lot of information. I think their c their technology our. technology is awfully good. Why is. there's even if there's half that they. got they got some stuff. Yeah. I don't.

know. But you talked about the Chinese. like why? And so they're like, "Oh, that happened. during your that happened during the. Trump administration.". I was like, "I didn't know about it.". And then, so we had this everybody's. when that happened. Somebody released Oh, actually this. happened three times during the Trump. administration. I'm like I'm like I didn't know about. that. I wonder if it did. So you call. around and you ask people like, "No,

didn't have a clue. Didn't have a clue.". And then back to your then the rest of. the story is like actually we found out. after. apparently they did fly some stuff the. Chinese flew some stuff dur over the. United States during the Trump. administration. I think it was down. North Carolina way. Okay. But we they didn't we didn't know it at. the time. But then when they rewind the. tapes, you know, like play everything. that's happened that for weird anomalies. that didn't get picked up initially,

like change the settings and, you know, be more finite. They rewind the tapes, they're like, "Oh man, actually this. happened before." So that was that was. kind of back to your media. Interesting. So it did so it did happen. Yeah, they Yeah. Did we do anything about it? Didn't know about it cuz you know those. radars are tuned. I didn't realize this. I'm not a radar expert, but I hang out. with some radar experts. I didn't. realize like all our radars are tuned. for fast moving stuff. You knew this, right?

I didn't know that. Yeah. So, I didn't either. By the way, I. didn't either. But when it was explained. to me, I'm like, "Why wouldn't we see a. balloon?" They're like, "Hey, dumbass. We have these worldclass radars and. everything is tuned for a fastmoving. uh vehicle, a jet, you know, whatever. the missile, whatever the case may be, for something that moves really really. slowly. This is why drones are so. effective, it's not going to get picked. up because it it doesn't, you know, they. got their algorithm. It doesn't.

bounce into the like, look at this. So. since it's moving so slowly, our radar. systems that are automated don't ever. spike, you know, they don't ever have a. warning or a trigger on it. They've, you. know, subsequently they've changed the. settings, but we go into radar all day. I'm I just stayed at a holiday and. express. I don't really know much about. it, but kind of learning, man. Last thing. Yeah. What do you got? What do you think about all these UAPs, UFOs, man? biggest mistake I made when I was.

now. I'm not going to say biggest mistake I. made I made bigger mistakes but what I. failed to do when I was acting secretary. of defense was to ask for that briefing. what was I thinking. I don't know what you were thinking. I got I got a little overcome like I got. overcome with events. I really wish I would have gotten that. briefing so you go in there you're. asking about what's it like the first. day or when Trump tells you you're going.

to do this, go over to the Pentagon, you. walk in, the first thing they do, they. take you back to this secret room, uh, you know, ultra secure room and this. fourstar general and his twostar. um, you know, assistant. They they literally grab you as soon as. you walk in. You haven't even like put. your bag down. It's like come with us.

Guess what they brief you on? You know. what they brief you on? Nuclear codes, nuclear war, how that works, how you're. in the chain of command for if there's a. nuclear attack and how we respond. And uh I was like, "Okay, I got it." They're like, "Wait, wait, wait. This is a three-hour. briefing." It's like it's like this like. 2 minutes in. And I'm like, I got it. Like nuclear war, if they attack us,

call the president, give him advice on. what to do, and either ask for approval. to launch a counterattack or response, have him, you know, pull, you know, the. whole process, right? I'm like, I got. it. Like, Then the next then they. got another book like this, like, okay, all right. They're looking at me like. I'm crazy. And I'm like, I don't. Finally, I I just said, hey, listen. Um, that's part of the job. I got it. I.

understand that. Did you think I was. just going to become a weepy little like. I can't do this? Like, oh my god, this. is horrifying. It's like this is part of. the job, right? I got it. I'm. comfortable. We can do some exercises later, but. right now got what I need. Got this next. book. It's all about and I I'm go like. oh this is and I gave the program name. and I'm like this is about you know. terrorism strikes in the United States. like I got that too I'll make the call.

don't worry. they're like. okay I said is there anything else you. know what I should have asked for then. UAP said give me the report on the UFOs. should have done that I'm serious of. heart attack right now. should have done that And nobody. volunteered to give that briefing. And I. wonder why. H I wonder why. Why wouldn't. why wouldn't somebody come in you? Well, I think I know why. It's because.

they don't want other people to know. If. I would asked for it, they would have. had to do it because super user. I'm. read on everything, right? Everything I. could ask for like. and I for some reason I didn't ask for. that. I I I left I left the. administration, you know, when the when. things changed and uh they finally the. Pentagon finally released a report, Congress required a report on UFOs,

UAPs, and uh. press started calling like, "Hey, did. you ever get briefed?" And that was that. was one of those moments. I'm like, "I. didn't. What was I thinking, man? Should. have got briefed on that. Where are you. in the whole thing? I don't know enough about it to. formulate a. You think it's possible? UFOs and UAPs. What do I think? What's. possible? That those could be generated by a life.

form off planet. Absolutely. I'm with you, man. Absolutely. I also think it could be. from this planet. Oh, there's a lot of that. But here's what I saw just on the open-. source stuff. like they're like we had 241 I'm making. that up you know 241 anomalous incidents. of which 2428. we have determined were the result of. you know whether it was an OP it was us.

opposition some something funny going on. right I'm like okay you know what about. the other 13 or whatever like I don't. know man h I don't know I think we're. going to know a lot more sooner than. later. But um because they seem to they. seem to keep coming around and and. hitting the media and it's getting a lot. of attention right now. But. but anyways, all right, I'm done. grilling you. But um. thanks. What What do you got going on now?

I'll tell you, Sean. uh trying to stay. out of the media, which is hilarious. because I'm in your show, the number 10, which better be like number six by the. time this thing goes live podcast. But, you know, I wrote the book and I um made. an obligation to the publisher that I. would push the book, right? That's the. way it raised. Like, they paid you, you. got to work for it. Uh but made the. decision I really need to I don't want. to be in the public spotlight anymore. I.

hate it. This stuff drives me crazy. Uh. but there are three things that I want. to work on um that I'll go public on. Uh. one is Afghan refugee stuff. We still. left a lot of people behind on there. So. I'll go out and do stuff on that. Uh. veterans affairs is the other thing. And. um the final one is Havana syndrome. where we've had intelligence officers. and special operators and diplomats, military people get hit by um directed.

energy and um you had Mark Poly I can't. pronounce you had Mark on Yeah. Yeah. Mark P's better way to say it because I. cannot pronounce his last name. Neither. my ass. So Mark P. So I'll go public on that. Um, what what what do you mean you're going. What do you think about all this? Well, because I think the I think it's. and I think the government. needs to come clean. It's abs you know, I've been in government long enough to. see how they parse their sentences and.

I'm like, everybody's covering their ass. right now. Just come clean with the. American public. You know, these people. have been attacked. You know, I was. very, very skeptical, extremely. skeptical. Then I met a kid who got hit. I was like, he's a um and he was one of. mine. Where did he get hit? Uh oh, I'll just say in Asia. Uh and he. described the story like you and I. He. was describing an ambush and he was one. of us. So when he described it that way,

I was like, "Okay, game on. This is. legit." So I changed my whole u I was. pretty skeptical at first. So I want to. support that by when the government says. that there's no that this didn't happen. or they they get they they get really. careful with their language now. Right. We we respect the feelings of those that. think they've been injured. They were.

injured. So let's just come clean with. it. Right. Yeah. I mean, we just talked about we. just talked about these energy weapons. and now they're denying it. Uh, so I'll go public on that veteran. stuff. I'm with this organization, Special Operations Association of. America. New organization. Everybody's. got their special ops charitable. donation. All we do is lobby Capitol. Hill on behalf of Special Operation. Veterans. Last year key thing we helped. with this was a coalition effort was to.

get veterans administration to accept. the use of psychedelics to treat uh and. alternative therapies to treat veterans. suffering from combat related syndromes. Right. Normally that takes 20 years in. the Veterans Administration from request. for a new therapy to a new therapy being. accepted. We we hacked that. Special Operations. Association of America with a bunch of. other groups hacked that. And um you.

know, I'm an old dude. You can see that. Uh and I'm like, if if alternative. therapies give relief to one vet, any. veteran, why wouldn't we support it? You. know, I don't give a crap. I mean, I I just don't. And the that's. what then uh Kari Khanabad. Newsbakiststan I told you I went through. there in 2001 that thing was a toxic. waste dump and uh a lot of the people. that were assigned there have really.

been uh or gone through there have been. have horrible health issues related. there was radiological material toxic. stuff. so really supporting that to get um to. give veterans and their families. Unfortunately, now we're dealing with. families because some of their loved. ones have passed, you know, getting. recognition and getting the support they. need, which really ties back into Havana. syndrome because the government will be.

like, "We regret if anything bad might. have happened and we recognize your pain. and we'll, you know, provide you medical. uh therapy and medical support, which is. great. I mean, but we keep talking about. accountability. Like, I'm good if. somebody just says up, stands up and. goes, "We made a mistake.". We all are good. We all are good with. going through Kari Khanabad. Our nation. asks us, "Dude, it's all good. No hurt. feelings, man." Uh but inherent to that.

promise of serving the country should be. a promise from the American people that. those injured in the line of duty should. receive the dogone benefits and care. that they require. And I know you know. this. So I'm fighting really hard on. that. They got this burn pit thing. You. remember the burn pit legislation that. the Veterans Administration now they. call a presumption of um of of a. syndrome. You don't have to prove it.

You just have to say like, "Hey, I was. at this location. My tent was by a burn. pit. Stuff came through all night long. for 6 months. That's enough now if. you're having some illness that could be. related to that exposure that you're. going to get you're going to get. benefits." Unfortunately, John Stewart, a comedian who is more than a comedian, I think he's a great American, was the. one who had to go up there and shame. Capitol Hill in the our politicians to. sign that damn thing. Do you remember.

that? I do. You know, and I'm like, Sean, I'm like, you got to be kidding me, man. I mean, I. John Stewart helped out the people that. were on the pile and in um at the World. Trade Center and got them uh support and. legislation passed. You know, I really. admire the guy and I know a lot of. people, you know, he's a leftist. liberal. I don't give a crap. Yeah. You. know, veteran stuff's bipartisan, brother. You know that, right? So, like, it took a dog on John Stewart. to go up there and embarrass those. people to do the right thing. And I know.

there were all these political angles. Oh, this is related to the debt ceiling. I don't come on. Uh, so working with. them really closely. And then finally, man, veteran suicide. uh working with. Czechovette out of Fort Campbell out of. Clarksville. Wonderful guy uh warrant. officer I worked with Michael Carmichael. who uh just said enough. I don't I think. Mike must have suffered some and he said. no more man and he uh so we're doing. that. It's really cool learning, dude.

That one like those nonprofits, man. Those things, they take a lot of work. and a lot of energy and it's really. really remarkable to see that. And what. do they say 16 18 veterans are taking. their own lives each each day. I think. that, you know, ch it changes on the. numbers, but you know, it's too many. Let's just agree that it's too many. And, you know, back to the other things, I think they're all kind of knit. together in some ways. So, that's what. I'm doing. That's where I want to spend. my time. Got to make some money. I'm, you know, small. I'm I'm in doing the.

drone business, trying to put my money. where my mouth is in regards to. transforming, you know, our national. security. Uh, love that. Trying to make. some cash uh to fund the other stuff at. the end of the day, man. It's all like. got to make some money, make get my. family secure, and then just give it all. back, baby. Yeah. So, that's it. Thanks for asking. My pleasure. Well, Chris, I just want to. say it's an honor to have you sitting. across from me and and and thank you for.

making the trip and I hope to see you. again. Wasn't kidding. Thanks for what you're. doing. Thanks for being an example. It's. really important, man. Veterans are. helping veterans and uh I think that's. the most powerful thing we can do for. each other and you're leading by example. and I appreciate you. Thank you. Oh, here man. You get a coin, dude. I get a coin. Yeah, you got to. Thank you. Yeah, I know you got tons of. them, but. Oh, man. That one if you can sell that on eBay. for like $3.50, do it. Or else.

I will. I'll put it on eBay tonight. I bet you'll probably get Dude, you'll. probably get like 98 cents for it, man. This is Thank you. This is going in. the cabinet right behind me. Thanks. Incredible. Well, best of luck to you. See you in 10 years. All right. Thank you. Thanks. [Music]. Hey everybody, I'm Shawn Ryan. Click. here to subscribe to the Shaun Ryan Show.

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