Chris Bledsoe - The Episode We Never Censored | SRS #165

[Music]. Chris blood so welcome to the show thank. you for having me Sean I can't wait to. dive into what uh we're about to talk. about but um so got to give Shawn Webb. credit again he has introduced me to. some of the most fascinating uh people. that I've ever met and um just a great. human being I love Sean and uh also I.

was with Brandon fugle about a month ago. and uh went and toured uh he gave me a. private tour of skim Walker Ranch and. and uh I told him that me and you were. potentially doing an interview and he. got really excited about that and and. told me a little bit about what you guys. were were doing out there so I'd love to. touch on that but all in all Chris I'm. just ecstatic uh that you made the trip. and uh was able to meet your son Ryan. and.

and uh been really excited to do this. it's the same here my friend we've been. so excited and uh I'm just I'm I'm. honored thank you thank you all right. well everybody starts with a. introduction. so Chris bledo you had a lifechanging. UFO experience in. 2007 after the financial crisis that. saved your life and cured you of your. chronic illness what was that chronic.

illness Crohn's disease Crohn's disease. yeah since then you've dedicated your. life to sharing your story and how it. impacts your faith which I can't wait to. dive into that you are the author of The. New York Times bestseller UFO of God the. extraordinary true story of Chris blood. so and since then your UF you're UFO. experience you've talked to CIA NASA the. History Channel they've all been. studying you and your experience and.

from what I understand uh trying to. figure out what's going on with your. Consciousness yeah yeah so I uh have a. lot of questions okay but. um and. then we have a patreon account they've. been with us since the very beginning um. they're a top supporters and um without. them I wouldn't be sitting here and. neither would you and so one of the.

things that I do is I offer them an. opportunity to ask each qu each each. Quest each guest a question and so. there's some really good ones on here um. this one is from Kathy how do you view. death now since your experience is it a. soul departure or a rebirth or finality. as your true being dies it's completely. um.

to me the um the real world is the. Unseen World where there's no time I. think we're in some sort of Matrix here. where we experience time from the the. physical body right once you're born it. starts decaying right after it grows and. it's a. cycle but the Eternal world is alive and. around us and I've have um I have been. able to to experience that and and have.

shared it with a lot of others this this. hidden world around us there I think our. loved ones are on the other side. cheering for us to get through to the. other side I'm stronger in my faith than. I ever have been. but here's a question that just came to. mind on the subject talking. about where we go after we die and what. you think happens after we die.

where do you think we are before we're. born I don't know but the Bible says and. I knew you before you were born so if. you're Eternal um we were we were part. of God in other words we're. Consciousness the word Consciousness. leads back to. one so you got all these people talking. about Consciousness now well it just. means god right so I think we're all a. part of God and he breathed the life in. everyone one of us and we return back to.

that unless we fail you know there's. there's. consequences so when you say. Consciousness is God what exactly does. that mean because all of our. Consciousness is is different we don't. see eye to eye on things we have. different perceptions we we view the. world through different lenses and so is. this a do you think ious is one big.

Collective I think it's like a wireless. internet basically there the all the. information to every living thing is is. around us in. fact I've read studies from NASA and I. have a couple that um that are pretty. interesting where it talks about the. green light that shines from the Sun the. way it angles on Earth the the light is. in the green Spectrum which is the color. spectrum the center.

and in that green light is um it affects. this chemical called ADT which is in in. all living things hemoglobin in a human. to plant life. chlorophyll and when that light hits. that chemical it creates the energy. which starts life so something is. telling every cell in your body what to. do you're not mhm and and the grass and. the trees and the bugs it's all created.

by. um this this field of information around. us and I think we're just receivers that. this is how we're able to to remote view. this is how you're able to to um do a. lot of that kind of stuff because we can. tap into it um this Consciousness around. us just it's like a wireless network uhu. so complex and you know I'm just.

guessing just like everybody we. speculate what is real about you know. even God we all speculate because we. really don't know yeah right yeah were. you it's a personal question. but it sounds like the experience that. you had in. 2007 uh which we'll dive into here in. just a couple. minutes it sounds like that.

really I don't know if it made your. faith stronger or just brought you to. Faith in general but stronger strong so. you were always a Christian I was um. yeah my wife's p i was a deacon in the. Pentecostal H inist church so I was. raised um in the Baptist Church and I. married my wife 42 years. ago um congratulations and we're still. in love and happy um and she saidou.

going to marry me you're going to go to. the church with me you're not going to. drink and all that so I agreed I was 20. years old 21 and we got married I joined. the Pentecostal church I became a deacon. in the church and. uh and then I ran into trouble when I. had this experience with the UFO and. that that created some problems for. me interesting interesting yeah so did. you come to.

Faith because of your wife you had to. make a deal no no or was it always no um. when I was a little boy my neighbors I. lived out in the country I was born on. and raised on a farm right my dad was a. carpenter my I worked in debaca and hay. and you know sometimes on a dairy farm. my neighbor had one. but um all the kids wanted to go to the. local church we we had a little. 1700's church that was in the Civil War.

it was a hospital this old dirt. driveway is still there and uh all his. kids wanted to go to church cuz that's. where the only we could get together and. have fun and so I was Dee rooted in the. Baptist Church until I married her and I. had to convert. from Baptist to Pentecostal which was. which is different I'd never seen. speaking in tongues and walking on the.

tops of the pews and shouting and all. that and but that's where I ended up. Pentecostal church so I'm deep rooted in. my faith I know the Bible pretty good um. but I see it differently now because I. have. seen something that um changed my life. were you. into before this experience were you. into UFOs or extraterrestrial life or.

any of that were you nothing no um back. in those days I was uh I was a builder. my dad I was I'm actually a commercial. pilot that was my first love was to be a. pilot I swore I wasn't going to be a. carpenter I wanted to be something. different so my wife encouraged me when. we got married to get into flying and I. did I studied 12 years I actually taught. weather for the for Pilots I was. certified college.

level um so that was my life until we. had the third baby and when the third. baby come along I had to make a decision. do I become a dad that sees my kids two. days a week and um basically not a part. of their lives or do I want my children. to to love their dad and so I I changed. my whole career to look after my. children got into the building business. along about.

2001 the World Trade Center disaster. happened and when that. happened I was caught with 72 houses. under construction we're building 100 a. year 120 houses my wife had the Remax. company in fville and she was uh I think. her last year they closed $40 million. worth of homes new and. existing and but when they crashed the. World Trade Center Fort Brag went on big. alert you know that's where I live for.

brag I I work with this you know the. soldiers this this who buys the houses. mostly. and I saw it all a slow motion train. wreck coming because back in those days. the interest rate on construction money. was. 89% which it is now which is terrible. that's the worst thing they could do to. kill the housing business which is. happening right now I have friends in.

the building business and family that. are crying about that but what happened. I had $100,000 a month going out and. interest and overhead and by the time. 2005 come along it had bled me of all. life savings 20 years worth of work and. my disease that I had been fighting. since 25 years old 26 Cron's got worse. and it got worse and real worse to the. point that that um we sold the company I.

couldn't even get out of bed oh man I. was that. sick and so um I'd never thought about a. UFO I was too busy raising children and. building all these houses and dealing. with the now I'm in. depression I'm sick I'm in the restroom. 25 times or 20 times a day and um it it. was it was I thought it was going to die.

from it I mean really so that's where my. brain was and 2001 right on up to when. it actually happened in. 07 interesting yeah well before we get. into the incident everybody on the show. gets a gift oh wow thank you for that. hey you're welcome any guesses I love it. love it the are the famous gummies. that's it I love vigilance League gummy.

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there for a year there's a part there. that. um I it's in my book I write about this. leading up to that incident I'd had this. uh near-death experience in in the. hospital from being overmedicated from. some from c um from the the medicine. they were giv me they weren't checking. my my vitals and my liver like they were. supposed to and I went in to just toxic.

poisoning and unconscious and so now I'm. I've sold my. business because of all What U the the. the crash and and here I am sick really. bad sick so I'm recovering from this. This Disaster and I've uh so we fast. forward to 06 and about October of 06 I. had gotten better enough that my dad. convinced me to get out and try to to.

work and remember I'd lost everything. everything we were living in an 8,000. foot home own a golf course with a pool. out back 20 years we were doing great. now I'm living in a mobile home and I'm. having to apply for free lunch for my. kids oh wow yeah wow so you really ate. it even though I'm excited for the new. administ ation there's a lot of tension.

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it was it was it was finished up just. before Christmas but we had a a punch. list to do so we all came back and. then uh right after the 1 July of the 1. I mean January the 1st they the crew. went back down to the coast to to do the. punch list and I told him I'm not coming. uh just bring a check when you get done. so on the the the 7 um January the 8th.

of that year they called me uh we had. finished we got it all signed off and we. got your check so I said we bring it on. to the house and give it to Dad and. he'll pay. you and so they got their checks about 1. or 2:00 or 12:30 or 1:00 they went to. town cast them and come back and called. me and said hey boss let's celebrate uh. would you take us fishing and I knew. what that meant because these guys were.

just construction workers they uh worked. with my dad for years and years but when. they wanted to go fishing that meant I. had the only four-wheel drive truck and. where they wanted to go we had to go. down in the woods to a river bottom. right and this this is gnarly going down. in there so I said yeah why not Chris. juner was at home my wife was out of. town with the other three. children and so about 2:30 in the day. they came back we we loaded up the.

fishing gear and took off to the river. only 3 miles away so we pulled up parked. and if I can give you an idea where we. were um cap F River it's just it's not a. big river it's only like 60 yards wide. where we were and the the main road when. you if you come up on a big field on the. left there's a two rut road that crosses. this field it's 200 yard across to the. Woodline when you get to the Woodline.

there's a gate and it goes downhill 100. ft to the river about an eighth of a. mile and then you make a right and you. end up in a CAC another eighth of a mile. it's important I tell you this so you're. get what what. happened so we're now sitting on the. River Bank parked um about 230 or4 to. three and I wasn't into fishing my mind. wasn't in deficient at all in fact I was.

struggling with everything my. thoughts uh I'm broke uh how can I. support my children I'm 46 years old I. have this disease this killing me uh you. know Cron's disease was is a is a. terrible thing. and and so that's where my brain was W. these guys were excited and Chris junr. they I made sure they were sitting on. the bank and everything's taken care of.

cuz in my mind I'm going to walk away. and go meditate in the forest somewhere. and so once they started fishing I said. I'm going to walk down in CAC to to. about an acre of grassy area this round. around acre is where that road dead in. and then the very back of it is where I. walked down in along the river to a. gully and I set beside a tree till about. 4:00 and and it got very dark not.

letting these guys know what I was. thinking right that I'm depressed and. I'm thinking very bad thoughts of. struggling with you know can how am I. going to make it how I'm going to. support my. kids and about 4 or 10 after 4: it. started getting the sun going down which. about 5:30 in January the sun sets right. and so I made my way back out of the. woods cuz the canopy had made it dark I. didn't have a flashlight I W right up to. these guys and they were my son Chris.

Jer and these men they're grown men you. know they run Crews have. families and I said you guys want to. fish some more you want to go home and. well we just got here boss we want to. fish I said well it's going to get cold. tonight let's get a fire going so we. went around that acre all of us and we. gathered up all the dead wood we could. find and got a fire going right on the. river bank and it was about 10 after 5. now and I said we had a hen a daylight.

still you can see the you know this blue. sky still I said I'm going to walk up to. the gate and I'm going the opposite. direction to the way we came in and I'm. going to sit at the gate by the field. and I'm going to watch for deer coyote. turkey so I was born raised a. hunter and I was big into hunting hunted. all over the country from Montana to to. Texas and shot my first deer at five.

years old was shot point blank in the. back with a shotgun at 10 little hole in. me this big right in my shoulder here I. have lid you can see on this side near. that was another near death experience. when I was. 10 and so I left them. walking I look back and there're sitting. there by the fire and I I felt like. they're taking care of I'm going to keep. walking so all I'm doing Sean is crying. out to the.

Heaven Help me what do I do give me the. answers I was a spiritual guy then in. the church and I'm praying as I'm going. along and when I got. within um here's the weird thing I I was. just part of the way down parallel in. the river when I heard something in the. woods beside me I thought it was a deer. to start with and so I sto and I'm. looking trying to look through. thick.

brush and couldn't see anything so I. walked some more and when I started. walking it started walking scared me. then I don't never get scared in the. woods I mean I I'm in the Boon and. Crockett record book for shooting a one. of the biggest black bears in this in. North. America back then it was one of the. records 660 lbs and I shot him from 6ot. away I mean that's. how you know I I wasn't afraid then it. was too quick to be afraid it'd come out.

out at me and but I got afraid something. this sound started sounding like two. feet and so I stopped and I got down on. my knees and I looked under the brush. cuz along the edges it's really thick. once you get in the woods it'll open up. right CU of the tree. canopy never could see what that was. three times it it had me to stop and to. get down to see what was was that. tracking.

me so when I got to the curve or to the. to the to the point where the road. turned West and started up the. hill the sound stopped and I'm looking. up uh at a sky that I thought the sun. was still about the top of the trees or. so on but I couldn't tell because I'm. looking uphill at at a metal gate cattle. gate at the top of that Hill it's a long. Hall up there about 100 ft to go up and.

it's ruts muddy ruts and grass you know. some plac is knee high so I'm having to. watch every step and it's starting to. get dark and the closer I got to the top. of that Hill I'm not hearing this in the. woods beside me now and I wanted to tell. you that because it'll come back in the. picture here in a. second I got about 30 ft from the top of. that hill and I began to see what what I. thought was the Sun the top of it just.

the very top of it and I walked over the. horizon yeah over just you know I got a. gate I'm looking up at a gate a metal. gate the road goes up and I can see the. sun just barely above that. gate and the top of the trees which I. for the first when I first glanced it I. didn't think much about it I looked down. to take another step because I didn't. want to walk in the. mud and about three more steps up that. hill there it was in full View and it.

was this Blood Red tangerine orange ball. of fire about 40 or 50 feet. around and I was like oh my God what is. that I could see the Flames going around. it and the tips were shooting off this. thing's huge like big and it's. only 300 yard away it's just beyond the. road and just at the top of the trees. and sitting there. it kind of frightened me a second but I.

curious I walked up two more steps and. when I did now my my field of views. gotten wider because I don't have the. Trees of the road you know I'm looking. up to shoot now I can see more and. there's a second one right beside it and. that's when chills came over me so you. want I couldn't explain it I dropped to. my knees because by doing that I'm using. the heel to hide from them so IID raised. my head up and I could see they were.

there and I'm sitting here on the ground. thinking what in the world is this I. knew it wasn't nothing from this world. or from the. military you know I'm trained in in in. that um fact I have military manuals. that were given to me for you know they. used to get you to train on different. types of aircraft from russan to so. that's been my world of Aviation so.

automatically knew what I'm looking at. wasn't a helicopter it wasn't something. of. ours so I'm hiding there and I crawl. over to the ditch into these reads you. know um reads or grow wetlands and so. I'm peeking through these reads thinking. I'm hiding from what I'm seeing not. realizing they'd see. me and. I start making my decision to run I got.

to run because I'm thinking about Chris. Junior back behind me down the hill that. I've gotten frightened I sit there long. enough that it it really frightened me. bad so I made a plan to run and I turn. my body I'm sitting on the ground on my. knee's hiding right so I raise up and I. turn my body to run I'm in the motion to. run and I'll look back one more time I. got to see what's up there and when I. did straight above me the third one.

appeared and went shot right down beside. the other two and I knew then I knew it. saw me I knew I was on its radar and. that's a different feeling you know. somebody can see a ball of light fly by. oh my God I saw a UFO and that does. something to you but when you see it and. it responds to you and it's the way that. did I knew it I felt like a rat a lab. rat or or I was you know I'm in trouble.

so I last the next thing I. know I'm about 50 yards from the fire. and I'm kind of walking through this mud. and I have no recollection of what. happened coming down that Hill I only. could remember the last 50 yards of it. going up to the. fire he's three men are standing there. around the fire they're no longer. fishing fires burned down to this is. little small fire and they're looking.

down. talking they couldn't see me coming cuz. I didn't have a flashlight I'm coming. out of the dark I can see them from the. fire and I snuck up on them and I said. hey guys you won't believe what just. happened and the first thing one said. where in they and I'm not going to use. the now the words they use but where. have you been I said I was just up at. the hill what do you mean I told you I. was going up to the field they said. you've been going all night I said no I. haven't I've been going 20 minutes and.

we're arguing this and I noticed Chris. Junior's not there and I told him you. won't believe what I just saw up top of. that Hill these three balls of fire then. immediately where's Chris junor well he. went looking for you two hours ago and. we can't find him now he walked into the. CAC and to the far end of the CAC where. you had gone earlier that day searching. for you and I panicked oh my God these. Woods are huge you know 60 miles to to.

wimington from where we are and nothing. but Forest along that River and all I. could think is he's lost in there 17. years old no. flashlight and um they're telling me. that one stayed at the fire while the. other two took my truck and they even. pointed out my truck had been moved from. where I parked it he said we've been. everywhere looking for you all night and. uh so I immediately took off running to. the back of that CAC shouting for junior.

I was worried about what happened to me. up there I was freaked right and and. here's my son. missing and I started making my way into. the woods and around the edges of any. field especially where we live it it's. real thick because it's just Shrubbery. right same and so I'm parting this stuff. and I'm calling out for Chris junor and. I get about 10 ft in there and I hear. he wasn't answering me until I walked.

right up almost stepped on him and he. come up out of these bushes and he grab. me and he's and he's weeping this is. your son. yeah it's um it's. traumatic because of the struggle he. had and it won't because of that so much. it was after right it was a lot of.

trouble after. that that he went through um and we'll. talk more about that in a second but you. know to see your son in. shock eyes like this. shaking so he's like why did you leave. me what was your initial thought I saw. your son like that what did you think. Happ I was freaking out uh I didn't want.

to tell him what had happened to me cuz. he's talking out of his he's he's saying. things like these creatures dad these. creatures why did you leave me why did. you leave me I said I didn't leave you. son I've been gone for 20 minutes he's. no Daddy you've been gone all. night and how old was he at the time. 17 she a baby you know they're babies at. that age and uh. and so he began to tell me uh I grabbed.

him all he wanted to do is go home he. wanted to go home he want no more what. happened to. him and so what he happened was where he. was at the back of that cold of sack he. could see all the way down parallel the. river to the end where I made to turn. and started up the hill so it's a. quarter mile he could see all the way. down and he's over there in the edge of. the forest calling out for me while. they're driving the truck one guy. sitting at the fire and the fire is.

between you know he's got to walk toward. the you know toward what he saw coming. to get to the fire so he sees these two. red. lights across the road and he thought. there were flashlights like military. they used to I used to have a military. flashlight that had a red on it right. and you remember those and so that was. his first thought there were there were. somebody's walking with the red. flashlight so they cross the road over.

to the Riverside disappear so he takes. off and he runs back to the fire and he. tells these guys about these two lights. he. saw. and then he turns and he goes back to. the back of that cack still calling from. me and. um about that time these two red lights. come back out of the Riverside back out. in the road and they start towards them. now these SE two balls of light they. look like this big and they're floating.

3 feet off the ground coming all the way. down that road and as they got closer to. him he got scared and he started hiding. so he laid down on his stomach and. crawled up under backed up under them. thickest rubs and they came up within 20. ft of them and what he saw were these. two little glowing beings that were yeah. High probably three 2 and 1 half 3 feet. tall and they had these right red. eyes and the whole time one was staring.

at him he couldn't shout he couldn't. move he he was in such Terror he was. frozen and I don't know if they had the. power to keep him from he thought that. they had that power over him as long as. they were looking at him he couldn't. speak so he was gone a total of two. hours and he I don't know how long. exactly he was there with these these. little beings walking around him but it. really it put and. Sh and so I led him back to the fire and.

these guys were freaked out too because. they had heard that you know what. happened they didn't know what happened. they knew that I'd been gone all night. and Junior's talking about creatures and. I'm talking about Balls of Fire at the. top of the hill so these men starting to. get spooked real bad and one of the guys. looks up and points oh look at that and. when we all look up and it looked like. the brightest star Venus in the night.

sky when it's just the. brightest it was eight or nine of these. just appeared and they just came on and. they went out away from one another and. they came back in a circle and they made. this big circle and they were putting on. a. shove and then three of these things. came all the way down and landed across. the river 60 yards to the other side of. that River they were up on the other. side of it in a cut down it remembered. the place out so you can imagine.

pandemonium set in at that moment we. left out of there with fishing poles. still there coolers everything we. brought we didn't even wait to to touch. it and we jumped in that truck and I'm. taking off up through this muddy Road. and one of the guys is beating on the. back of my seat saying go go go and. there's this red ball of light coming up. behind us following the truck so. undoubtedly it came out of the back of. that CAC was still in there and was.

coming up behind the truck they were. screaming to the top of their lungs but. the weird thing is Sean I was like numb. to it I wasn't afraid I'd lost all fear. from where I was when it appeared on the. top of that hill to now I'm not. afraid so we make the turn and we start. up that hill and I'm going so hard with. that Ford truck up that hill and it's. it's wallering in the ruts and you know. the shrubs on either side of bush.

brushing the mirror as I down in the. swamp and when I cross the top of that. Hill that gate it was almost like a. liking it to an old Streets of San. Francisco movie where the cars were jump. when they go over the hills this we. almost went Airborne that's how fast we. were trying to depart that place but. when we top that Hill those three orange. orbs two of them were still in the exact. same spot are you serious yeah now we. got three 40ft balls of white light on.

the River Bank behind us and something. an orb which I know what it was it was. one of those beings to their eyes from a. distance looked like a little ball of. light you can't really. tell and so now we're faced with two 40t. balls of fire 300 yards and about 200 ft. in the air in front and the third one is. the one that took me that's the one that. appeared above me and shot down that.

thing now is sitting in the road and. it's halfway between us and the highway. so it's a 100 150 yards. away and when I went over that Hill I. slammed on brakes because of that it's. sitting there looks like a football now. it's going white it changed from red to. White and it's sitting sideways in the. road it's hovering about 5T off the. ground and it looks like a an egg or a. football about that time we heard gun. shot and we all heard them and we.

thought immediately one of these country. boys had pulled out the shotgun and they. were shooting at this thing so it just. pivots and it starts towards us it's. coming down the road at us 5T off the. ground then it starts. up but I want to back back one. second before we heard gunshots there's. this mobile home in the back of that. field and there were two cars there and. one of the guys with me says I know who. that is that's Shane he he's play I play.

softball with him so let's go to his. house nobody had a phone I didn't have a. cell phone I couldn't afford one nobody. had one and we just wanted somebody to. see this with us right so I drove across. the ditch up in his man's yard pulled my. truck right up to his front door and the. storm doors open I mean it's closed but. the front door is open so we could see. the TV playing through the door two cars. in the yard and one of the guys gets out. knocks on the door nobody.

answers and I even blew the horn my. trucks you know 6 feet from the front. door headlights blurring in and I'm. looking back through the window and. there's a thing sitting in the road. behind us right because the the mobile. home was facing the way out and we had. turned up to the door and that orbs. stood I mean this football is still. there 150 yards nobody answers so I back. back out and I pull back out in the road.

now I'm about 40 or 50 yards closer to. this thing because we had to go forward. to get to this mobile home about that. time the three gunshots happen and then. it starts and it comes and it comes and. when it gets to my truck I open the. sunroof on it and it crossed over the. top of my truck and it was probably 60. ft up I could have shot it with a. homemade slingshot and and it hit this. thing no sound just.

glowing white light that was doing this. did it look solid or did it looked kind. of translucent it looked um it once it. got that close to us it looked almost um. it was blinding from the light but at a. distance it looked like an egg it's it's. hard to tell it was translucent because. the light coming off of the thing but it. it was definitely shifted from a red. ball of fire to a football or an egg or. a Tic Tac and I'll tell you how I got.

involved with government because when I. reported that thing I'll tell that in a. minute so here this thing comes over my. truck right when it got was it passing. through things or was it moving around. things it moved up and over a tree in. front of me there was a okay it wasn't. like it was passing through trees or. trucks or although they do any. they do it was doing both no this one it.

came down the road and it was one tree. between us and it to the side it went up. and over and when it came over the truck. uh it cleared the trees behind me a. solid stand of woods behind me so it had. to been about 80 ft at the most to clear. them trees then it turned it pivoted and. shot off to the north so I hit the. gasp and now I'm flying out of there and. he's guys there it's the end of the. world we've been invaded where's the.

military where's Fort Brag get me home. so I can see my wife before this for. it's over I mean it was just drastic now. I'm no longer. afraid I I wasn't afraid like they were. they were all terrified so I'm sitting. back kind of numb watching this take. place I want to get out of the truck and. look at it you know they're like having. nothing to do with that so we take off. and we. start toward dropping these guys off one.

of them live or two of them live side by. side about 2 and a half miles away the. other one lived about six miles away. seven miles they were fighting who got. to go home first so bad that the this. guy that lives seven miles away went out. so we had to drive to him drop him off. and turn around and come back to drop. the other two off right but on the way. way we had orbs balls of Light Tracking.

us alongside the truck crossing over in. front of us and um one of the. most this these kinds of. details I'm going to tell you now all. played a major part in my understanding. of what was going on. because halfway there between where we. were and and the home of the first two. guys two and a half miles right halfway.

there is a Dead Man's Curve I mean it's. a sharp curve it's like if you go. through it at 35 you you're having a. hard. time the car just you could lose it real. easy in. fact my first wife was killed there in. that curb and I found. her what do you mean you found her. it was a weird thing you found her that.

night. no I'm going to tell you in 1981 or two. 82 uh we' been married 11 months and 28. days so we had two days before our. wedding anniversary and I had gone deer. hunting to the coast with my. dad and we were hunting islands with. dogs right and my neighbor friend. growing up um we had a hunting club out. in the middle of nowhere on 4,000 acres.

of land dad had it for 25 years and. that's where all the young kids would go. and party on Friday night or Saturday. night they'd have a keg party or. whatever and I'd go on hunting and they. all called me you got to come to the. party and so my wife said I'll meet you. there she went to the party I got home. about 8:00 from the coast got dressed. and took off down to the party. and. [Music]. um she had left the party and went.

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SRS and I saw the car laying on its side. when I went by going to this party and. the wheels were still turning I didn't. recognize the car I got out and the. people were in at the front door of. their house opened the door and looked. out right when I walked up in the yard. they heard it so I was there within 60. seconds of it happened and I said have. you seen the person driving this car and. they said no I said you better call 911.

it looks pretty bad and I had Envision. whoever was in that car cuz the car's. laying on the side the wheels are still. turning the motor's. running nobody's in the car all the. windows are broke out so I walked back. toward the highway and that's where I. found. her had no. clue oh. man and um she died right there me open. her and so. I lived a long. time uh stressed over that never could.

get over it you know her you I should. have been there you know it's my. fault and so I lived with that well that. night coming home from the river with. all what was your wife's name was. Dana and and that that whole incident on. the River on the way home we approaching. that Dead Man's Curve right over the. spot where she was killed is this big. thing hovering right over her top I.

slammed on brakes I saw it immediately. where it was and and I wanted to get out. and and look at it up under I mean it. was right above us it was just above. this big high attention power line well. they were fighting me bad they're not. having none of this and but what I. wanted to say was. that that. um at that moment it spoke to me. telepathically or.

whatever and said you need to not worry. about her she's in she's in good. hands and. so I take these guys on home right I. never told them this what happened I. only wrote about it years later but. that's when I got peace from the whole. incident after 15 or 25 30 years or 20. years at least I can't do the math it. was in 2007 we're married in.

82 um I finally got peace from that. everybody's terrorized by UFOs orbs fire. lights and I'm thinking. about this relief from what so I'm in a. different world from them now right and. I still don't know what happened to me I. had no clue what happened for four hours. couldn't believe it so I dropped these. guys off Chris juner and I had back home. now he's I'm worried about him he's.

panicked he's going through the house. locking it down every room he'd close. the door and lock even the bathroom and. he' turn the lights on the room run up. shut the blind turn on the lights and. lock the door I'm in my study looking on. TV to try to find news you know there's. an invasion happening we just knew this. it was crickets I couldn't find anything. so juner finally comes to the room and. says. um have you found anything I said no son.

and then about that time we hear. something come over the house with his. humming noise I thought it was a. helicopter because it was coming from. Bragg's Direction which is only you know. 2015 miles from me from the base 20. miles and it's heading exactly towards. the. river and suddenly every it once it goes. out of here and every dog in our kennel. started barking and my dad raised dogs. all his life he had a hundred at the. time when I'm growing up and even then.

he had 15 Hounds in that. kennel and they're all these old hounds. got a loud mouth right and they're. barking as loud as they can and what it. sounded like was uh they were afraid you. dogs can bark different sounds and you. can anybody knows hunting knows what a. dog saying I knew they was scared they. were seeing something they didn't know. what it. was I said juner only thing I could. think of is where Dad's kennel was is in.

the forest behind his house back in the. head of woods and he had a double car. separate garage next to the kenel so the. dogs could see the kenel I thought. somebody come from the road and was. breaking into his. shop and the Dog. Saw and that was what was going on in my. head and Junior is like we're not going. out there I said Dad I said U Junior. we'll use a flight we won't use a. flashlight we'll sneak down in there and. use Rosie had a 110 lb Chesapeake Bay.

Retriever sitting on the back steps and. her hair was standing up she's watching. towards the kennel in the. woods and um this awful racket. right and I finally convinced him to to. go with me or stay whichever he wanted. and he he was scared to be by himself so. he grabbed me by the back of the shirt. and I I'm walking real slow I walked out. the door and Rosie took off toward the. kennel ran out of.

sight we walked across the lawn to a two. rup Road went down in the woods got to. the back of that. kennel and now all these dogs and. imagine they're very loud and we're. standing there looking at 15 Hounds in a. kennel barking as hard as they can. towards the woods in the back oh this is. weird these dogs should be looking. toward the gross and I'm whispering to. junor Rosie's right there in front of us. pointing in the woods her hair standing. up barking every breath I said Jenner uh.

I said it must be a bear dogs not scared. of deer but they will do this on a bear. sometimes the scent was they get. scared. so I said I'm gonna put Rosie in on on. whatever's in there and she'll run them. out we're going to run back to the yard. and go to the back of the property we. make made a plan and we're going to hide. behind this giant oak tree and hope we.

can cut her off before she runs through. so soon as I bumped her on the bus she. jumped in the woods and Jenner and I. took off running we had to go to the end. of that road make a left on the yard and. go to about 400 ft 500 ft there's a big. yard 6 Acres. there to cut whatever's in there off and. I just knew it would be a bear or deer. or something so when I made the left. turn it was the grass was a little now.

we got frost right it was cold that. night we talking about 11:00. now he pulled a loose from me so I. thought I'd just pulled away from him. when I slipped a little bit but what. happened was he had had enough he took a. right went back to the house he's in the. back I didn't know that though I'm. running to the back hard as I. can ran up to this big tree and I ran so. hard I was trying to be quiet and I'm. trying to catch my breath so I'm pting.

trying to be quiet with it right and I'm. I stopped myself against a. tree and so I turned around after about. a few seconds of stopping and panting. dog's coming straight at me he's coming. through the forest and I looked back to. see if Chris juner was going to come up. and when I did that was a little the. same thing he described on the river. this little glowing being about yay tall. with with glowing red. eyes it was glowing the color of the.

Moon it looked like a child it looked. like a four-year-old child about that. size didn't look like a gray alien or. none of that what people report it. looked like a a glowing little. child but the details shiny this thing. was glassy it was gleamy the the body. looked like it had glass on. it and about that time um when I I. turned back and saw it it it frightened.

me so bad that my hair stood up every. cell of my body went oh my God I'm dead. so I went toward the trees to turn. around instead of where I was standing. cuz I didn't want to get no closer to it. so I leaned into the tree and I turned. and put my back to the tree and I said I. Surrender I'm I don't mean you. harm and it said to me in this this. thunderous voice he said you don't. understand I'm not here to hurt you.

we're here to help you about that time. Rosie comes on through and this thing. vanishes in front of me see it. anymore I walked up to the house trying. to figure out why it just happened and. how not to tell Chris junr what I just. seen because he didn't want that around. him any. longer and next morning when I get up um. about 10:00 that day I hadn't had my. medication and I had been taking.

medication for 17 years for. Crohns and if I missed it one day it was. it was suffer time yeah I take it every. day if I missed a day the next three. days my system would get out of whack. and it was more restroom right and I. didn't feel the normal sickness that I. normally have I didn't feel the the. nausea I didn't feel any of it and I. thought this is weird you know I've been. living with this every day and now I. don't feel it and from that point.

forward I never had another symptoms of. chrom's disease it was completely gone. I've been to to Chapel Hill. University um I've had specialist check. me out from top to bottom and there. there is no marker for Chrome's being. there and see I come down with rheumato. years later. 2009 and and I've been treated since. then for rheumatoid arthritis and they.

thought it was the Crohns that had come. back but it wasn't the Crohns didn't. come back as remid there was no marker. there and Ra was a different story but. long story short that was. the uh the end of the the January 7th. initial. encounter uh walking back to that house. and trying to get my son set down from. the shock that he'd been through now I'm. kind of I'm in shock basically myself.

but not um because of seeing this stuff. and trying to to to to process it is. it's it's not natural it's not normal. what was your first conversation with. your son. afterwards I told him I said son I said. I believe they're. angels He said no Dy they had to be he. couldn't even get it out that there were.

there were demonic entities I said no. they wer son there were Angels they. healed me so we battled that for for. months and here's the thing it never. left me I mean it never left and to this. day it's still with me and I mean. stronger today than it was back then. this is why the government has studied. me they've studied me more than any. human in existence. from DIA CIA. do the ministry of Defense in England um.

CIA Jim siman wrote the Ford to my book. he's the director of operations for the. CIA John Alexander wrote the the the. forward um or introduction they both. shared and right. so we went through the longest time. trying to convince him I did that it was. positive and he it got worse for him.

because from that point. forward this is. where I want to say um if I could say. this word this is where hell set in for. me. because I'm telling. everybody they put it in my head that. night that I had to tell the world so I. compared my myself to to Richard dfus on. Close Encounters of the Third Kind where.

he was making the mashed potato Devil's. Tower on his table he could see it he. was completely obsessed with with this. phenomena and I was as well all I wanted. to do is tell everybody well that was. the worst thing I did because now the. church comes down on you're playing with. demons it's got to be demonic and itates. like no it's not who was the first. person you told. um probably my wife she came home a.

couple days later she been gone and of. course we' called her and all. but uh she goes let me say her. family are the the they brought the. Pentecostal movement to North Carolina. they went to California they were at. scissor straet her you know ancestors. they brought it back to Falcon North. Carolina built orphanage so I had the.

weight of the whole. conference on me not just some local. church down the street so there was a. lot of power there and other churches to. local churches my mother my very. religious lady all at that time they all. automatically resorted to it's the devil. it's demonic you know and and I'm saying. but they he me and that that wasn't what. I experienced and they got so bad that.

they tried to take my children from me. they wanted to divide my family they. were telling my kids that that I'm. playing with the Devil he's going to. ruin them children somebody call social. services on me I had to deal with that. uh with the government to try. to just to keep my kids right. and so yeah that started a really hard. time you had mentioned that the third.

object that appeared seemed to know your. thoughts it does it now what exact what. exactly does that. mean these things can read your mind. they're connected to our thoughts this. is why one thing I can promise you if. you're a God-fearing man and you know. the Bible one thing that the church. knows is that always preach you'll hear. it all the time only God can read your.

thoughts only Heaven not that the devil. can't read your thoughts right so this. is something taught to all Christians. from early on the devil can whisper in. your ear but he can't read your mind. well these they read your mind and they. know every they're connected to us. they're connected to our thoughts they. know your heart they know your. intentions and somehow another Sean they. have the ability to stop the timeline to.

to manifest things to make things happen. and. to. to I've seen it a thousand times people. come to see the Phenomenon with many as. 75 with me at the time and it appears. but there are certain people if they're. afraid or if. they're they're. um there. if they're skeptical that's that I can. tell you skeptical people about this.

phenomenon will never see anything. they're left out because if they know. your free will they don't want. to to change your you know go against. your free free. will um but they they they can appear in. a group of 50 people standing beside me. and that one skeptical person. will look that way for one second and. it'll appear in front of everybody else.

I've seen it a thousand times it knows. how to it knows where you're going to. look before you look interesting yeah. seriously you had mentioned I believe. you had two near-death experiences. before this incident when it age 10 10 I. was shot point blank with a shotgun what. was that near-death experience. well um I was it was it was New Year's. Day.

1972 uh after hunting season uh season. had gone out at on the 31st and so it. was fix the roads on Saturday and cook a. hog so we got all these men this part of. the club rout repairing the roads and. all the farm right and my grandfather. and the farmer that owned the land was. at the club tending to the Hog on the. cooker so myself at 10 and my best. friend and my first cousin grabbed a.

shotgun took off about um a mile away. 3/4 of a mile we walked to the back of a. cornfield and we spread out and we were. going to shoot duffs right Duff. SE and this bird came over my neighbor. he shot at it missed it came right over. and I shot it and it turned and it went. away and landed in the woods I knew it. it so I took off across the field. walking a double barrel shotgun in my.

hand I walked up to the edge of the. woods and I saw him in there in a pile. of briers flipping FL fluttering around. so I thought I better put a shell in my. gun in case it gets up and flies away so. I cracked that double barrel open and I. pulled two shells out of my coat and I. put one in and dropped the other did not. know that my. friend wanted to claim that he shot the. bird right and ran across the field. behind me I didn't know he was there ran.

up right behind me and when I reached D. pick that shell up he was going to shoot. over me shoot that bird CL kids when I. stood up it hit me right Square in right. here in the shoulder blew a hole this. big I have a scar that big on my back. now imagine a 10-year-old I was only. this tall. mhm it felt like a sledgehammer hit me. it drove me about uh 10 ft forward and. face down in the in the.

forest and the first thing I felt blood. running everywhere and I said why did. you shoot me and now my cousin's coming. across the field and they're fighting. they're screaming at one another go get. help he's my cousin I'm staying with him. he's my best friend I'm will stay that's. what they were doing I'm laying there. bleeding to death and so the farmer. heard them fighting. and here he comes down that cornfield in. an old pickup truck was blue and white.

Ford from the. 60s and he runs in the woods picks me. up like a sack of potatoes and put in. his. truck took me to the. hospital next thing I know I'm up in. space looking down from from way up high. I can see the Earth getting smaller and. smaller and smaller and then I wake up.

and I'm in I'm out of surgery and I'm in. an x-ray room back then I had so much. lead in me from birdshot that I still. have 17 pieces in here you can see it on. this side all in this shoulder in this. front and um I set the airport X-ray. machine off they'll Pat me down most. every time I go through because of that. but all I remember is is seeing the.

Earth from above and being out of my. body in total. peace um it wasn't cold I wasn't afraid. I was just had a Marvel of looking that. all this and then when I came back too. there's my mom looking through the. window of. crying what about the what was the other. one you had too much medication for the. Crohn's disease well I tell you what. they did and this is in the book there's. a whole lot in this book I've not. covered I've glossed.

over um along about. 2004 um my Crohns was so bad I mean it. was in bad shape and I was in such. depression because i' lost8 $19 million. in savings and and net worth gone I've. sold every apartment building or house I. had rentals had a lot of them just to. pay interest and we sold the business to. a really big Builder from North Carolina. builds 1500 homes a.

year and my doctor is treating me he's. like you know he would just hug me and. cry with. me CU we'd been friends. forever. and he said um I'm sorry for getting. emotional here thinking back is is. hard today it's wonderful and joyful. it's a different world today but those. old memories are tough but he said look.

um there's a new study out there's this. anti-depressant medicine called paxel. that supposed to show help for crowns. because stomach problems are exacerbated. from stress the more you worry the worse. it gets and I was so bad that my whole. inside was inflamed and was very painful. and so puts me on. paxel and he tells me I should probably.

have somebody to talk to so he sends me. to a psychiatrist right never thought. about anything like that and I was. embarrassed to go but he convinced me. you need to do this so I go to the. psychiatrist and I thought it was odd. when I walked into his room he was. smoking a cigarette and laughing talking. to me and he only spent 5 minutes with. me he looks at my paperwork and what the. doctor prescribed he said oh you on all. the wrong. stuff he didn't take me off that he. added more to it he just added a couple.

prescriptions that said take this and. come back in five days or you know next. week or seven days every week I had to. go back once a. week and within 60 days I didn't know. who I was and I had gone into uh I was. unconscience and what he did he had put. me on something called lithium I didn't. know what it was I didn't know even what. the scrible was he didn't tell me that's. what it was he just wrote These.

prescriptions and the thing when you. take that you're supposed to test your. liver or metals and all your system your. organs can fail because of toxic metal. poisoning well that's what happened to. me I woke up in the hospital I was. laying on a stretcher completely covered. from head to. toe and I come up out of my body and I. was at the ceiling and I could see down. my wife sitting there three doctors.

walked in the room and she was crying. and I never forget I heard the doctor's. name which I won't say it now because of. his privacy but the guy said good. evening. doctor um this is the 113th patient that. this physician has injured or put in the. hospital come to find out the guy that. was treating me had gone off the deep in. and was taking his taking medication. himself I don't know what he was taking.

but he overdosed and died while I was in. the hospital he put 113 patients of his. in the hospital and overdose and. died this happened this is in the. book. and you know why it's like getting shot. I didn't want that I didn't ask for it. just happen and now here it is somebody. else is is poisoned me or it was always. just seems like everything that's. happened to me has been out of my hands.

I there's a lot in this book that I've. been through from third degree burns. catching on fire when I was two years. old I had big scars up my legs to a. brand new TransAm in 79 blew up 2,000. miles in the radiator it overhead and. the radiator exploded and put put me in. the hospital with third degree burns my. neck out to this arm I had skin grafts. a brand new car so I thought all my life. something's trying to keep me from being.

here or keep me from doing something one. day so the near-death experience was you. witnessing the conversation between the. doctor and your wife yes anything else. that's all I remember it was uh and then. you're back in your body I'm back in my. body and miserable now you know. recovering. and. yeah all right well let's let's take a. uh let's take a quick break and then. we'll move on to what happened.

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experiences that might relate to this. but it doesn't sound like there was. really anything that related to this it. all relates it does yes it all relates. to it in fact I believe. that um when I was 10 years old when. that happened to me it was so traumatic. you know I grew up with a gun in my hand. five years. old um. you know it's just part of being where I. was raised you know 10 years old I'm. carrying a gun and got shot so my whole.

life changed to. um to a different perspective you and I. didn't realize it until this event. happened in. 2007 but I can look back and and I write. about this in the book a lot of things. it. in other words I began to see after this. doctor poisoned me the second time the.

weirdest thing happened um my family all. of them can tell you I would be sitting. in my. kitchen and this is after right after. the uh the thing in the. hospital I was seeing things that my. family couldn't see in my house and I'd. tell them and they thought I was going. nuts they thought I was still on drugs. but I had completely gotten off all that. and I'm as I'm and it took a long time.

to get back to where I felt halfway. normal but I could see things what. things well I could see this little. being in the house you walk by and I'd. tell them and they were filming me and. they couldn't see it so I know it opened. something up on me who was filming my my. wife and kids would film me talking. about what I'd see in the house this. this little being it would be about this. tall look like Gazoo you might say from.

Fred Flintstone just he could hover in. the house and I began to wonder am I. going crazy am I seeing things and did. it look human yeah it sure did did you. interact with it I did I be talking to. it even had a name for it named Johnny. is what I called it my kids would they. would laugh they thought I was. completely but I just come out out of. the hospital too and I was heavily. medicated but I knew that opened me up.

to the spiritual world to the to the. other side what would. you interact with the being about we'd. have conversations he was always. watching over me protecting me and um my. wife's like who are you talking to say. do you remember any of the conversations. specifically are there any ations that. stick out not in detail other than it I. knew it was there watching over me it.

wasn't a scary thing it wasn't like it. was there to harm anybody it was there. to to get me through what had just. happened it was protecting. me what would the conversations be. about um it was always positive about uh. healing and uh reinforcement that I was. going to be all right because I just. come through a near.

death and that eventually faded away. after a few months and I stopped seeing. it but it was always there and it was. very real to. me and um it later showed up after the. 2007 incident this was an4 and 05 mhm in. ' 07 when this thing happened and I'll. tell you something else too this was. really weird in ' 05 we we were forced. to move because we' sold out and lost.

everything moving from a big house to a. mobile. home we were having Thanksgiving dinner. at my mom's we built the new house or. the mobile home we restored it it was an. old one I had as a rental property I. moved it on their lot next door out in. the country beside Mom and Dad it was. Thanksgiving Day night and uh a whole. family was there from sisters to. everybody right and I guess it was 9:00.

at night. 930 a couple of the guys smoking went. outside to smoke and um eventually I. went outside to conversate and we look. right over to where we were going to set. the mobile home before we even put it. there there is a football field long. glowing cigar maybe 200 above the lot. right over top of the trees and it was. barely moving and my kids myself my.

mother all of us watched it you could. walk beside it it was so slow no. sound and it really didn't register with. me at that time but that was before the. River Event so with the being how would. it Converse back with you it's well the. first couple times was I could hear it. audible speak speaking but it didn't. move its mouth it's like you could hear. it was it English yeah very deep voice.

very loud but now today it's more. telepathic it's it's it's images. it's and we've proven that that uh on. television on the History Channel That's. my brain is communicating with this. phenomenon what could you be a little. more descriptive of what the being look. like um uh yeah it looked like a like a. four-year-old child a four-year-old.

foury old about like a three four year. old little. toddler uh not much more than um 3 feet. tall glowing softly like the color of. the Moon with these uh and red eyes and. it had a. triangle shape underneath that it was. glowing gleaming from head toe they had. this triangle on his chest right here. and that turned out to be a pretty big.

symbol for some people in the. government what what is that symbol well. there's one right here from NASA that's. a triangle on that pin wonder how I got. that they were the first ones to come. want to know about that little be with. the triangle on its chest interesting. yeah did it wear. clothing it was gleaming so bright it. had something on on but it looked like. the outer layer of it was just glossy. gleaming.

brilliant and there's a there's a. description that Daniel gave chapter 10. in the Bible where he describes an. Angelic being that his an encounter and. he says it it was his body was gleaming. like topz and it had torches fire red. glowing eyes this is Daniel's descript I. straight out of the Bible and it was. given to me by Scholars to read. interesting yeah.

interesting how many times I mean and. I've got a lot of questions how many. interactions a. day would you have with. us say today is more than. ever today it's gotten to where um let's. say at that time back back then after it. happened after the initial counter and. all my kids come.

home and I'm being told not to talk. about it because it was scary and it was. they had my wife believeing it's demonic. and for a long time which is. understandable when you're raised in a. church you know they all say this is. demonic well they don't know they have. no clue nobody does I'm telling you not. even the pope they don't know everybody. imagines what's out there speculates but. until you see it and you interact with. it you're speculating you.

questioning but it immediately followed. me home and these orbs would appear a. ball of light. flash and out steps these shadowy. figures and they would walk through the. house and walk through. walls look like a human same size and. all this is. this is before no this is right after. the event 2007 let's try to just let's.

just keep it before the event for right. now okay and. so did it have hair I didn't see any. hair it just there just so much gleaming. there it's hard to get the detail the. brightness of this thing standing 4T. away I could see its eyes cuz they were. red right and they were glow. in this triangle shape I actually drew. it and uh painted it in.

2009 but there they um did this little. glowing glowing little entities that and. these are the same type of eyes that you. saw at the river yes yes it's what my. son described um now the being that I. was telling you about when I come out. the hospital for a few months there I. kept seeing this little being it didn't. have red eyes it looked like a person a. little small person but it floated about.

okay that's what I was referencing so. the so Johnny Johnny he looked like a. little person just a little and he had a. triangle no the one in the river that. that scared Chris Jr in 2007 the one. that night that I. saw didn't look like Johnny Johnny. looked okay this looked like a a uh just. glowing so bright that the detail is is.

hard to describe so I'm talking about. Johnny right Johnny so Johnny was not. glowing nope it looked like a little say. a small person but it didn't look could. you differentiate between a regular. three-year-old four-year-old child and. this yes because it seemed to be grown. for an adult but small it spoke like an. adult it interacted with me like an. adult but that didn't last long this is.

after all this medication the daughter. put me on so what what did you think. that. was I thought it was a guardian angel. right away you thought it was a guardian. angel and the entire family said that it. was demonic not then they didn't say. anything they just were listening and. filming this was in' 05. what were they filming me they were. recording interacting with interacting. yeah so in if can I have access to any.

of that film I'd have to get my wife to. dig it up but yeah she has a lot of. stuff she recorded all my kids after the. event on the. river uh so what does that what do those. films look like does that look like you. interacting with thin air well yes. probably some of them yeah I'm sure yeah. I would love to get some of that footage. if possible. and uh I will see insert it I see if she. can do that how.

many Ryan sorry you're in the you're now. on the Sha Ryan Show have you seen these. films I was there what I mean what did. it look. like what does it look like to see your. dad interacting with thin air I was 10. years old so I understood it the way. that my mother explained it to me which. was that he was you know going off the. deep end so I we just thought it was. funny like oh he's on medicine he's.

hallucina friend and we I don't know I. mean I you can't really understand. what's happening when you're 10 so I. just kind of. laughed you know they all thought I was. nuts and and rightly I had been. overmedicated and still but that. medication opened me up to something. that two years later came out of the sky. and took me mhm we'll get there. yeah how what about.

this. being made you think that it was a. guardian angel and that it had your best. best interest the way it was talking to. me it was there it tell me it was there. to protect me it was watching over me. and that I was going to be fine this you. know I just come through a hard time in. life and I'm still sick I'm still with. crws I'm still really bad shape and uh. and then got shot with basically like.

shot with a gun with this medication and. I'm still sick and now I've got this to. deal with. and. yeah did you ever try to make contact. like physically touch I never did it. would be brief it would appear and it. won't be there long it would be there. you know just little bit a few seconds. or long enough to maybe maybe a minute. and then it was gone it would just. vanish in front of me and they all.

thought um and rightly so that I had. lost my mind and now this just didn't. happen and this. exacerbated the 2007 two years later. when I come home talking about it my. wife's like he's he's still lost it he's. he's not he's he's gone crazy and the. whole Community said he's crazy and then. when everybody started experiencing it. with me and the family now it's demonic. it's really happening to this guy but.

he's bringing the devil into his house. this this what where it ended up when. did it disappear for good before the. incident within 6 months maybe. um or late 2005 I'd say is when it ended. I didn't see it anymore and then a year. later remember I'm on the river. and that's when it come out of the sky. and that's when it healed me and it said. we're not here to hurt you we're here to.

help you did you respond to that yeah. what did you say well I didn't really. speak other than I Surrender I I'm I'm. sorry I don't mean you any harm and it's. telling me this in my. head and I felt this greatest joy and. the sense of relief that I understood. now uh more. fear and that's why immediately when I. reported it I knew it was these same.

Angelic beings but it didn't look like. this little being I'd seen two years. prior but I related it all in the same. thing you know there's a lot of. different things that can appear around. you it it can appear any way it wants to. so after the incident when you described. this to your. family did they put two and two together. that this has happened not this exact. thing but he's yeah that you had been in.

contact with some type of being before. well yeah they thought I was first off. they didn't want to believe me and now. you have another family member your. son who also experienced it yeah that's. cooperating it and they still tried to. think this can't be true it just can't. be true. and that's what was making me so. emotional about Chris junr he struggled. so hard and he comes home telling what.

he saw and nobody wanted to believe him. they're just like he's crazy like his. dad right here I run a 18 million $20. million year. company and I went through a terrible. time with sickness and a doctor and I. come out the other side and not now I'm. crazy right this guy's crazy so the. whole Community. basically uh started mocking my family. and this is after the 07.

inent and it turned into uh five years. of what I call in the book five years of. Darkness from 27 to 2012 and when that. 2012 came everything. changed who who did you contact about. this incident with afterwards well well. I didn't for the first 10 months because. of me when I came home and I was told.

this immediately my wife trying to to. keep peace in the family and her little. whole world right now Chris has come. home telling this big tale and got. Junior telling it with him and and they. nobody wanted to believe it my dad made. fun he must be on drugs still on drugs. you know I was only on medication and. the doctor gave me um won't drinking. alcohol none of that and here um.

everybody started that and then with a. few months or. weeks my wife would take the kids out to. see her mom or go to church I wasn't. going to church anymore I'm at home in. my study in complete depression cuz. nobody believe me what happened and now. nobody's believ in my son pushed us away. from the church that she would be in. town coming home and kids running the. door oh my god dad you won't believe. what we saw on the way home there was a. big triangle thing in front of the car.

flying right down in front of us you. know following us home so now my kids. are coming home and I just sat back and. I'd smile thank you thank you Lord. because I was praying every day Lord let. my family let my children experience. what I did so at least they would. believe. me and um I'll never forget and I'll. tell you in a minute what my wife said. when the first investigator. come who who did you call in.

October uh this was in January when it. happened 10 months later October I saw. on the television a show called U uh UFO. files and there was this ston Freeman a. physicist on there and he's talking. about UFOs I'd never seen any of. shows and it come across report your. sighting to muon so I quickly got their.

email address and I wrote them what is. muon standord it's a mutual UFO Network. it's where it's a data so investigation. okay thing that people report sightings. to and a pretty big outfit International. right so that's to go to if you have a. sighting you go to mua I had never heard. of until I saw it on TV so I made the. report and I was so afraid to send it. that I didn't send it for two weeks cuz.

I just knew if I did I'd lose my family. I was told never to talk about it again. well I didn't know what happened to me. for two for 4 hours if I tried to think. about it I'd I would uh pass out my. family would see it if you started. questioning me and I tried to think I'd. pass. out and so I sent it two weeks later. later this is the 13th of. October and immediately they wrote me. back oh we want to talk to you well I.

got scared I said no this is too real. now I I don't want to lose my family so. I told him no I just wanted just to. report it but I don't want to. interview January comes along they write. me again we're going to close the case. but we really want to talk to you and by. then it's been a year now I'm I am I. can't I can't function my head had some. kind of block and and I couldn't think. at. all and so I said okay and in February.

they sent some a guy from a local. investigator from Raleigh North Carolina. and he came in there and that's when my. wife said you ever heard of what do you. know about Shadow. be and um now we've never talked about. the UFO thing but she'd been seeing. these in the house. and uh got shoved a couple times just to. get her attention I was praying every. day Lord let her see it and and she.

looked to me and said don't ever pray. for me like that again so but it was in. the house it was interacting with the. kids orbs over the house outside but I. could never share it with anyone except. my immediately family and so at this. point the entire family. ising my three four children a daughter. she was 10 years old old then Ryan was. 13 uh Jeremy he was uh 15 Christian was. 17 and Emily she's the only girl he's.

the baby and now they're being told by. the church your dad is is dealing with. demons. well and they didn't want to believe it. because they were seeing it with me so. it was it was a horrible place to be. when the whole Community come down on us. there. and it continued for 5 years but what.

happened. was the community didn't let up the. church didn't let up and I don't mean. just my wife side but my all the. churches around even the original ones. the people were talking and the boys. that were with me their children were. catching a. fit let me back up in 2007 I reported it. 2008 the investigator come and. immediately they sold me on doing a show. on Discovery Channel you got to do it.

we'll vindicate you you do this show. everybody will believe you so I agreed. to it I had to beg Junior to take. participate well they did their show and. immediately they set me up they set me. up to they would comeing to my house to. do an interview and called me can you. come to the hotel and sign all the. paperwork and then we're going to go. from there well when I got in that hotel. they had a guy from the FBI there with a. li detector thing set up and and cameras.

pointing at it. completely I did 34 questions for two. hours they just over and over and over. and then on the show they called me he. said he was lying about Sin and. entity now things got really bad the. whole communities and now the school my. children's school they're being made fun. of. their dad's crazy They're laughing at my. kids it nearly ruined my boys they were.

all you know thinking girls dating now. everybody's laughing at them in the. hallways calling them out in the school. class and making them tell the stories. and so five years goes by of that of. pure nightmare but NASA shows up a. friend from NASA Dr Hal PM a friend well. he's a friend he's like a he wasn't a. friend then no I didn't know him in fact. my son Ryan calls me dad there's.

somebody here from NASA he wants to talk. to you I said well tell him stick around. I'd be home about an hour 6' five huge. man we were afraid of the government so. bad because muon and the UFO World said. the Men in Black was on TV then they'll. kill you the government will kill you. don't ever talk to you know different. ones uh the names they would use and so. now we're terrified the government's. knocking on our door he comes in.

and um he became a father figure to my. children and he died in 2019 he'd been. to my daughters and my children's. birthdays he would come from Cape. canaville all the way down to the piano. recital their graduations their. birthdays and we've become best friends. and he's they studied me and long about. 2012 13 another guy comes what was the.

initial guy's name Dr Hal pin. Meer he um he was at Nasa 59 years when. he died what were they. studying first off he wanted to know. about that little glowing be with a. triangle on his chest and he first when. he first came his mission he told us my. mission was to debunk you so he came and. and initially met us then he left on his. own and we didn't know where you went.

back home but he didn't he was searching. records from the sheriff's department to. the FAA to Knocking on every door in. that Community out there asking did you. see something and he found out that. eight other people that night all. witness to fly over their houses and. stuff one guy was 70 years old sitting. on his front porch and it went 20 ft. over his house and so how knew then that. this was real and he he um he.

became uh like a father figure he would. come and entertain my kids more than he. would me because they were he just that. kind of guy and so. um all throughout the five years after. an event happened how was the one. there there were other military people. calling from the Air Force sending. letters wanting me to interview want me.

to draw pictures and all this stuff and. I would just stay away from it I was. still scared of how I didn't know who. this guy was yet it's just five years. into it but we love my kids loved them. but I'm still you know who. is and. so in 2012 at Easter of 2012 this is. when everything changed this is really. what got the US government knocking on. my door this is where why I'm here.

today 2012 Saturday night Easter Sunday. morning's Easter. right at 3:00 in the morning so it's. actually Easter Sunday morning 3:00 in. the morning I'm asleep in the bed dead. asleep that night before I I had had all. I could stand seeing my kids coming home. crying and the whole Community making. fun of the family and my dad and now.

they've been experiencing this stuff. they know it's happening but they. couldn't contest adults right they. wouldn't talk back knew better but it. was it had really my little girl coming. home crying from people picking on her. so I walked outside that night and I. remember I had this desire to tell it to. everybody I had to tell it it's like the. Richard dyus Close Encounters thing so I. walked outside that night at 9:30 and I. looked up to this guy I said thank you.

for ruining my. life my. children I said thank you for healing me. and uh proven to my family that you're. real but this life is worse off now for. my whole family I'm I'm better. physically but now my family is in. shambles all because of me. and I shouted it to the heavens is and I. see these things they're coming you know. these orbs are always around and I knew.

it heard me I knew it was so I went to. bed 3:00 in the morning I hear the same. voice the same little being that spoke. to me and said I'm here to help you not. hurt you I heard that same voice and it. sound like a man really. deep and it said arise that's all I. heard that quick word arise and it was. so deep it was like like thunder in my. room I jumped up from laying in the bed. dead asleep to sitting up in my bed and. it's dark I can't see and there was 3:00.

on my back then we had a clock alarm. clock and it said 300. a.m. next thing I know I see movement in. the room whatever they did to me they. caused me to get dressed and follow out. the door now I'm outside and I'm walking. towards my dog can 3:00 in the morning. fully dressed clothed from being. asleep. and suddenly this figure hands me.

something as far out as it sounds now. I'm telling you it sounds crazy and it. took me two weeks to tell it because I'm. they all live with me crazy and and I. stopped talking about it now five years. later this. happens and what happened was it handed. me this object and it felt like a living. creature like a like a squirrel maybe or. or something that size but I couldn't. see or.

feel legs or a head it felt just like a. tube but furry and kind of. prickly and said and handed it to me and. said you must keep this immediately I. drop it because I know what it was and. it was. prickly and it's words came again no you. must pick this up you must keep this so. I re reach down to pick it up when I did. this be that was standing there is now. gone and I'm at the dog kenel so I'm.

juggling at my hand I know I need to see. what this thing is it's dark so I open. the kenel and put it in and close the. door and the very second I did that this. blast of air come directed it wasn't in. the woods and around us it was right. straight in front of me a blast air hits. me and blew me over the wind. later on I understood the Holy. Spirit the word spirit means the wind.

the holy spirit means the Breath of God. so I had to put this in there but it was. the wind a physical Force blew me over. and as I hit backwards on the ground I. saw what appeared to be a translucent. cow a bull run over me and I could see. stars inside of it up through. it that's what they had handed you well. what they handed me I put in the kennel. MH when I locked the door or closed the. door now I blast air next to the woods.

hits me and out of that wind when the. wind hit me and blew me over with that. wind was a translucent cow or bull a big. one okay went over me and it didn't hurt. me but I could see it clearly I could. see the stars. inside this is really strange because I. just it's definitely strange I'll get. back to this in a minute right of. something I just. saw discovered with the guy that studies.

Egypt Dr Robert. Grant he discovered that bull inside the. king's chamber there's never been a. inscription in that pyramid nowhere so. he goes in with light are and there's. that bull Celestial Bull with stars. inside of it he and I. just work this thing out he he' he'd. seen it he shared it with me and when I. told him what happened to me he got some. other Clues out of that but it was.

exactly what I saw but now listen when. the bull went over I land on my back and. I'm getting up the run so I roll over. now I'm looking this way and behind me. there's no cow anymore there's a woman. there she's about 3 feet off the ground. she's glowing just color of the Moon. there's a circle of light on the ground. and she looks at me and she says you. know why I'm. here and I knew I was crushed basically.

but because I'd had this overwhelming. desire to tell the world what I'd seen. and then that night I cursed at the. heavens and said I'm never doing that. I'll never speak again and now she's. like you know why I'm here this is your. burden you must bear she said that she. said if you tell this story I'll always. be with you I'll allow you to share our. presence with others and film us so help. me I never had a picture of anything for.

the previous five years only inside the. house when people see this or or out in. my my children now everybody's coming to. the house and it appears overhead it. appears around us and it's greater today. than it was. then and Magic started happening and. when that word got out then comes this. is government they want to know about. this lady let's let's pause right there.

I have questions okay so the initial. what. was what what was it that you were. handed I've I've heard I've been asked. that a million times I don't know it was. like a living creature it was living it. was moving around it was but it had no. head or legs it felt like if you had a. squirrel in your hand or Hedge talk that. prickly it felt like it was living but. it had no head or tail and I asked the. lady what this was and she told me it.

was a s it was symbolic of humanity had. lost its. direction had no head or no tail it it. completely lost its. direction and it vanished when I right. on the money with. that exactly and she told me a lot of. stuff that I never revealed to this day. I haven't revealed a whole lot of it. because I don't want to sound like a. prophet or any of that I just don't my.

goal is to share this story with. everyone and and share the phenomenon. which I have been able to do what what. did the figure look like that handed you. the the object it was a shadowy being. like a shadow being so when you see. these you see this shadow of a human. figure. but you can't really see the details. it's like a shadow it's like a a ghost. you might say and I have pictures of I.

have pictures of of these little beings. and they look like ghosts I have a PCT I. have a. video of one of these beings coming out. of an. or Flash and it can I see that video. yeah yeah I I'll give you one it's 6. foot tall 7 foot tall and when it did. that night a young lady with me was. healed from. cancer this happened in. 2015 but um so what did the bull. represent do you think I had no clue. remember you worked with you worked with.

Robert Grant Robert Grant is who I was. with last in at uh contact a desert a. couple months back and Robert was. showing the Oculus to me about what he. had discovered in the pyramid so he put. these goggles on and he does his slide. art and their biggest daylight uh is a. bull on the side of the wall in the. king's chamber it only can see it with. this technology has and the stars are.

inside and above it is a helix a DNA and. then on the. sarcophagus in the king's chamber is the. alpha and a mega. symbol what do you think that. represents it rep well Alpha Mega it's. God the beginning and the end the. bull is the uh is the Celestial bll the. uh to me is to me the lady that came to.

me is the Holy. Spirit the the Breath of God the wind uh. the Virgin Mary of haor De Diana p in. every culture on every continent they. all have a mother figure all of them. including the Egyptians they believe in. the Trinity they you read the Egyptian. stuff it was in the beginning it was p p. was the father met was the mother and.

then they had uh it changed to uh. raw and then haor and then Horus just a. Divine Trinity they have a. Triad and um I think that the the lady. the women the the the feminine was was. taken out of the the equation by a bunch. of men in 2,000 years ago and oppressed. all the women kicked them out and said.

you can't be in the church only it's. only it's a boys club right and so from. that point forward the women have been. oppressed they made to wear things over. their face and head and and even up in. the 60s and 70s Me growing up there was. a great oppression on the. women but I just that's my belief and. you know it doesn't matter in. Christianity or in any religion none of. us really know so and.

so how did the how did the the. government get. involved and what is it let me rephrase. that what is the what is it that caught. the government's. attention Okay so now this happens at. Easter of. 2012 by let me let me ask another I'm. sorry do you think there's any. significance to this happening on Easter. 100% And what is that well you tell me.

what Easter means and uh the. resurrection yeah every year every year. at. Easter either she comes back or some. something miraculous. happens every year at. Easter every year since 20 every year. since then every year including this. year and my son Ryan and his wife and my. grandson Teddy of course my wife was a. little bit scared so she turned her head.

and ran in the house but we all got to. experience it this year at his and. exactly when I told him at 8:30 it's. going to. appear and we ran to the restaurant to. eat and I'm fussing we got to be home we. got to be home by. 8:30 and when we drove up in the yard it. was 8:30 when I opened the door it. appeared behind the car and um. here come this big glowing bluish white. ball of light through the forest going. in and out of the trees and was. approaching us and my wife freaked out.

and ran in the house but it's always. something like that miraculous on Easter. and it just feeds more into my. understanding of the phenomena the whole. thing she always comes in. threes not always but it's it's. overwhelming three is is very meaningful. in this. three and I thumbed it over and over. three orbs you know together they'll.

line up like a triangle they'll fly. through the sky in a triangle I said. well if I didn't I'll give you a video. of that um I have multiple videos of. that it's always showing that symbol of. three now let's what is it that caught. the government's. attention so one of the things that did. is in October of. 20 TW uh no. 2013 I could a call from a professor in.

Wilmington about uh is a a a religious. scholar very famous she's written. several books and um you probably know. her if I said her name Dr Diana. Pula she lived hour and a half from me. and she was given 20 th000 reports by. muon to investigate why 2,000 people. reported Angels Angelic beings that year.

they were seeing these now you only ever. hear about the bad stuff you only ever. hear about somebody being on a table. with multiple instruments and all this. stuff you abduction bad but. overwhelmingly 95% of all of it People. Come Away with. Angelic their experience is is. Heavenly that's one of the things that. you'll never hear about but October I.

walk outside I was a smoker then I was. watching TV with my wife I pause the TV. at 9:30 I said I'm going to go out and. smoke so I walked out on that patio and. she comes out a few minutes later and. out in the back of our property about. 100 yards back in the dark all of a. sudden we see Sparks come from the. ground and go up in. a and she said what's up with that tree. I said I don't know but I see it and. suddenly it it rained for two days.

ground was wet this tree erupts into. flames and goes shooting fire 13 14 ft. up in the air burnt the whole inside it. burnt from the inside. out well that got the attention of. government and you know how was there. and now this other player from NASA. wants to come see this tree and he's. code names the. dragon he runs all the launches for the.

you finessa he is the head guy he's. National Recon office so that got me. involved with the in our next thing I'm. in cap canaville sitting with these guys. half a dozen. of and that expands into a whole lot. more uh you know now I'm dealing with. two people from. NASA uh and this gets into medical study. stem cell research uh and that happened.

a year. later and what and I'll tell you what. got me there here's really what got the. attention of the government they heard. about the tree they all wanted to come. see it and they. started but I get a phone call in early. 203 Easter Easter of 2013 I write about. the whole experience of my book I'm uh. I haven't experienced with the lady. again two weeks later this journalist. comes from Canada calls me I want to.

come see that Burning Tree he' heard. about. it he's heading to Florida so he stops. by on the way all they right along. 95 stays the. night goes Florida and he comes back. comes again wants to see more of the. tree and get more story so my kids are. all home it's 5:00 at the afternoon he. drives up in the. driveway he pulls up gets out with his. camera no clothes no bags he just gets.

out he wants to go see the tree and film. it before dark he's out there at the. tree I'm with him there's a labrador my. dog there was a Nelly full grown female. left laying there beside us everywhere. I'd walk she'd walk we get back to the. house we stop just short of the door and. Nelly stops and she's laying there Grant. and I are talking you know just glad to. see one another and I'm like you want to. stay tonight I get kids to get your bags. and they were all out there there was. six or eight more people outside he said.

yeah that'd be I'd love that so he's. between me in the back door the house is. open the back doors open the windows. were it was in May it was May the 11th. or May the 5th it's only two weeks after. Easter Nelly stands up and starts toward. the door when and Grant turns and when. she walks by him I see blood come out of. her neck and it shot way out like a. stream of.

blood I like freaked out and Grant saw. it she sprayed blood all over his pants. when she went by and she ran in the back. door bleeding bleeding all over the. floor and I ran and tackled her and took. her outside and laid her on the. concrete and I was going through my head. oh my God Grant's filming this from. above and all my kids are gathered. around and she's got a hole inside of. her neck crossed her juggler vein that. long and I could stick my finger in that. deep and blood just shooting out when.

her heartbeat and I had my hand on it. blood coming up through my fingers there. and I knew I knew she was going to die. there were 30 minutes from a vet out in. the country no couldn't call an. ambulance I went through all this in my. head I said she's going to. die and uh everybody's freaked out and I. just looked up to the heavens I said. Lord help. her she went.

LMP and so I picked my hand up and that. hole was gone everybody saw it. disappeared perfectly like nothing had. happened she stood up waggled her tail. and walked away he filmed it all and it. didn't take long that word got out next. thing I get a call from somebody. connected. CIA and he says what are you doing this. week what are you doing tomorrow I said. this is 2014 I this July 4th it's Friday.

the day is the second my kids are coming. home from. college we're going to have a party you. know for the family he said well I need. you in. DC I said DC he said yeah there's a. young boy up there that's really. sick and they've lost uh they've tried. everything they can and help him and uh. there's he's got to make a. wish in fact Barack Obama gave him his.

make a wish and we have all the photos. of him shaking Barack Obama's. hand uh Michael Morel deputy director of. CIA put him in his book wrote about him. so you can imagine this young boy is in. the midst of all these power Brokers in. Washington and his mom's a doctor his. grandpa was a cardiologist in New York. and they spelled they were out of. options and so I agreed to go he flew me.

up there picked me up took me to. Arlington to where they had the Fourth. of July parades and all this flags and. stuff and I had no clue who I was. meeting I had no idea what I was doing. i' seen a dog miraculously get healed. and I didn't know what happened and how. that happened but these people thought. at least we try something UFO God that's. that healed a dog just to to help this.

child so I was terrified I didn't know. what to say I know what to do uh I was. praying silently while I'm sitting here. in front of this little boy he's got a. feed and two and they tell him us he's. not going to live another. year and I'm with his mom and dad and. him and I prayed all night Lord help me. what do I do so I said stayed at 1:00. that morning and this child had. mitochondrial DNA disease meaning he. could never eat if he ate food he threw.

it up profusely he couldn't make. nutrients from the food so he was dying. and once to get the feeding tube it's. over usually they're dead right. away and um I stayed 1:00 in the morning. and. this it wasn't an audible voice it was. like this message came this telepathic. knowing and I said it said just hug. him so when I went to leave I reached. out and hugged him at.

1:00 his mom asked me to stay tonight. and I said no I've got a hotel down and. the guy that brought me there he's. reading the book sitting in the back. room right he he stayed with. me and um 1:00 in the morning his mom. calls me says he's he's eating he's EA. his second plate. and so this was the next morning that. night at 1:00 I left at 1:30 his mom. called me and said he's eating two.

plates of food 30 minutes later yeah and. what's this kid's. name. well to be respectful of the family I'd. rather tell you that off camera right. but his person name is. Brandon you still in touch with him yeah. he was at my house I just spent last. Memorial Day the Jim from the CIA the. deputy director called me Brandon's now. 21 or two years old and he's going off.

to to co uh a exchange School overseas. and he'd never been away from home right. and they wanted me to be with him before. he left they told me we know he's you're. good for him to be around him but let me. tell you another one now he's 13 when he. turns 13 he's having a bar mitvah. first time I've ever. been in a Jewish celebration right it. was the most amazing thing this child.

has given a speech up on in this big. church in New York City on 48th Madison. we're in a basement and everybody. there's anybody from the deputy director. to the director of operations to the CIA. and all in. between um were there a whole lot of. important 200 people at least my son. Ryan and uh they're out dancing on the. floor and he's you know and I'm thinking. back all these people at home that's.

given me such a hard time if I could. only tell them what I'm experiencing. right now with my family this is just a. moment for. me suddenly Panic happened the music. quit and the crowd come off the dance. floor and I'm still sitting at my table. with one other person everybody's going. out dancing and my wife is sitting at. the table behind and she had gotten up. and she's with Debbie Jim's wife you. know very powerful.

people the crowd got around me so much. they're standing over me and I feel a. person grabbed me on the shoulders and. pulled me through the crowd and said you. got to help him you got to help him well. at their table this elderly man had. passed out bored on and was totally pale. white and he was Ghost white all these. people trying to revive him trying to. wake him up couldn't do anything she. drugged me through the crowd to him said.

you got to save him I put a hand on his. shoulder and when I did he went and he. stood up set up and a whole room saw it. and. so you can. imagine what that did and that was way. back in 2014. uh and it has only gotten more involved. with government from there from as. senior service members who was that man.

who was the man that you revived I I. knew who he was um he was the. father-in-law of one of the people that. um the the guy that actually took me to. DC the first time to help that little. boy we were all invited to the party. right to his bar mitzvah and it was his. father-in-law that whatever happened to. him he was totally unconscious. there and so that set me on a.

path uh that I had no clue I'd be going. down people you know suddenly I've got. hundreds saying I'm sick can you help. me and that's been the hardest thing for. me to try to to to help people and. because I never intended it to be that. way and I don't know that I can do. anything in fact I don't do anything.

it's it's something greater than I and. and it's I think it's when I think of. the the Divine World it just. comes but you know there's a whole lot. in my book about different ones that. have experienced this from Cancer's gone. to to. um this is a long list of people that. have had blessings from. this could you introduce me to one that.

would be willing to be on the. show I will. try how many people have you saved well. I don't know that I've saved anybody I I. don't like to think like that but there. how many people have you been a part of. this. dozens dozens of people every day it's. every day I can show you now just I. don't I just pray for them or I just you. know you if you know somebody that's. sick they might send me a photo now and.

I just take the photo out and I hold it. up to the heavens and I ask the Angel's. God I never pray to Angel I pray to God. and I ask for this help for this person. and I get these letters back I'm a. doctor don't know and this goes for dogs. I had two last month dogs that one was. 16 years old and total kidney failure. and the doctors are like we don't know. what happened they're they're putting it.

in their journals trying to figure out. what happened he's back completely. functional kidneys and. normal are there people out there. talking about this that that that yeah. yeah I've been private this Sean I. haven't shared this in fact I hate. sharing this publicly cuz it's going to. cause a whole lot more people to come. but it's still part of the story that. that tells the Phenomenon with me the. experience with it this is why I know.

it's from the Divine world it's not. something with teeth and a ray gun. coming here to get us it's connected to. our thoughts it'll appear a lot when I. ask it and in front of me and you and. others not every time but pretty. much pretty much on the time uh. sometimes 50 70 orbs will. appear sometimes it's a little fire. that'll appear right beside me like a. candle I've seen it I look over and oh. my God it's right there and then it'll.

shoot off over my head and a lot of. people have seen this rock stars one of. the very big rock stars without saying. their names I've been to my. house um and have witnessed this up. close and. personal senior service members of the. DIA if CS 19 been my house with their. families and have experienced it you. know a lot it's a lot of people.

that have witnessed it and seen it still. to this. day how did the government get more. involved. um well they wanted to study it right. they wanted to see this for. themselves because it's the most elusive. thing in the world to walk out and and. look up the heavens and ask something to.

come and all of a sudden hear these. lights pop on and they come flying by. you uh so there's a lot of them wanting. to see that and study it and and you. allow them to do that yeah I allow. anybody that is I couldn't allow just. anybody because I'd be overrun with. people but the um at my personal house I. I've had the heads of the you know. people from NASA people from the DIA the. dod the CIA and they I had three from.

Washington there last week three guys. diplomats that have experienced it with. me I was in Washington for 15 days last. month and I filmed orbs in the. daytime and and and at night and and uh. with a lot of important people really. important you know in government and. stuff NSA can you name any of these. people by name I don't have permission.

but uh you know Jim Simi van everybody. would research him he's in my book John. Alexander John was with me. 2015 he um in fact the first chapter of. my book how I met John was um was about. the Pope you know I'm out by The Burning. Tree and this lady from White Forest. University a scientist was doing this. investigation of this tree and she has a.

a a Spirit Box she called it I've never. heard of such a thing it makes this. noise and and so supposedly spirits come. through it and. talk well she hands it to me I'm leaning. against the. tree and my wife and my niece and her. and her assistant were there looking at. me from about 10 ft away. and suddenly this voice comes through. that box and said Chris the poop's in. danger you must help and it kept saying.

that and it kept saying that we recorded. all this we recorded 350 audio clips. 350 and multiple voices comeing this. thing and they were saying my name call. me by. name and so I sent that message to uh. one the very guy that was involved with. the child from the beginning it was my. contact right and um he's like oh my you. need to be here tomorrow next day and so. in a couple days I was at his house and.

when I walked in the D door there was. John. Alexander that's when I met him and. immediately we took a tour of of uh. Philadelphia the the Congress. Hall uh John got me into remote viewing. I started reliving this thing and I. began to give details about this uh. couple of terrorists that wanted to. explode a bomb on Congress Hall when the.

pope was. there and they got the Secret Service. involved and they intercepted uh emails. and calls and found this kid and. arrested him sure did and they shut the. whole Ben Franklin Bridge down where. people would come across but that was. that's just another notch and and that's. the first chapter of my book about the. pope and I've been investigated by them.

um by the Vatican you've been. investigated by the Vatican yeah they. how did that. go well. [Music]. um I was very sick at that time. 2017 with crohn's with I'm not Crohn's. but rheumatoid it came come on me and I. was on all this chemotherapy and these. biologics and so um my professor friend. works with the.

Vatican. got. permission to go in the Vatican archives. well my friend from NASA that I was. working with from the NRL wanted to be a. part so he was allowed to go with her. and three of them went to the archives. and when they. with there they were texting me and. sending me pictures of angels coming out. of orbs that are painted on the wall in. the Vatican and a message from the Pope.

that he said we know that they're angels. and that they don't mean you no harm but. if you get too close to them don't let. them get too close because their energy. can cause uh cause damage to your body. in fact we know that St Francis of aissi. had an orb get too close to him and. Zapped him and he died two years later. from his uh BLS and he she said we know. for sure and today's lenses it was rumat.

toward ortis the same thing you. got and so there's a lot of I've got all. the photos and stuff of that you can see. they they' had a ceremony in my honor. they put my PO picture in the Pop's. picture at the entrance of the Vatican. archives they placed my picture between. the books of Galileo and capern in the. archives to be there. forever so there's a whole lot that's. going on from every angle throughout. those years.

there man this is fascinating stuff yeah. yeah so now you know why do you. think you are the. one I've been asked out a million times. and um I don't like to think. I'm the one or any of that um I'm just a.

simple guy. that had a miraculous experience that. continues to this day and with all the. government with all the Government. contact and studying and the Vatican had. anybody ever given you insight as to. whether or not there are more human. beings that have had similar experiences. to you yeah and they all relate them. back to Biblical times as far as anybody.

now I haven't heard they probably are. but they always used you know St Francis. or these different people throughout the. Bible that had these experiences with. orbs and you know the reason NASA NASA. wanted to go to be a part of that. getting in the archives they wanted to. study levitating Saints how come it is. if the person can take off and fly to. the Village next door you know it really.

happens people levitate so there's more. to this world than we we got blinders. all we're blinded and. uh yeah but we're Awakening now yeah I. personally believe that. uh we are the ones that put the. limitations on ourselves exactly. everything may be possible well think a. lot of those writings that got into this.

more detailed early on were. deemed dangerous knowledge so it was. removed from us understanding all of. this stuff it's kind of like that was. Priestly stuff where do you think you. were for the hours that you disappeared. during the incident in 20. 7 well I can tell you I had no clue. until 2008 when muon came and did the. discovery show they actually sent a guy.

from The Harvard train psychiatrist that. does hypnosis and he hypnotized. me first to say we're removing this. block and then we're going to come back. next week and find out what happened so. he did the first one and immediately. I could think about it and not pass out. or have an excruciating headache so what. he did work and then my wife and kids.

started for the next U it was about two. weeks before they came they were they. were startled because when I'd go to bed. which always went pretty early they'd be. up till late I'd be yelling out in my. sleep and screaming and talking and they. were in there filming me with cell. phones and iPads why I'm doing this. saying stuff weird stuff you know like. seeing beans and Omars and all kinds of. weird stuff So eventually I began to.

remember some of what happened not all. but what I can tell. you the four. hours while I was gone was a virtual. tour I was inside a. bubble something that was solid that I. stand on but I couldn't see the walls. but I could touch them but I could see. everything in every. direction and there were always. three figures behind me that were.

shadowy and they were narrating what I. was. seeing and I saw North America from way. up high I saw the whole United States. and then I was taken to. Egypt and I saw the pyramids and this. haor Temple I saw that um The Spence. facing to the. East and. then the lady comes.

back following year after all. this this was in 2013 is when I really. got that message from her because that's. when I was asked by the Pentagon by two. Air Force generals to put it in writing. what she told me and uh I did and this. was on request from NASA a friend at. Nasa so he come and got it and hand. delivered it to these generals and she.

told me that she said. that when the star of. regulus she called it a red star when. you look at it it looks blue but she. said when regulus is red on the horizon. in front of the Gaze of the spank before. daylight so other words when it's. sitting right on top of the Horizon. before the sun comes up that that moment. would Mark a change and Humanity's.

knowledge and that's and she showed me. other things War us bombing Iran aspam. Syria and in them days none of that had. happened so I put all that on on this. piece of. paper and now I've had so many write me. back oh my God you see that just bombed. Iran or Iran just bombed us you know you. were right the whole. time and I did that in 2012 and so what. they did was I gave them the date of.

2026 because they took that that. celestrial event and ran it through. these machines that showed that exact. alignment will happen in 2026. Easter what will happen the star will. the alignment she told me me about that. the SAR of regulus would be on the. horizon in front of the Spinx at that. moment there'd be a new knowledge well I. had no idea if this was even possible.

you know but these astronomers run it. through the machines and it comes out. that that star is going to come up on. the. horizon in Easter of 2026 and and from. that point forward they started remote. viewing the state government did and now. you hear it all over TV 2026 that's the. big date 2027 that year something's. going to happen Armageddon you hear it. all over you know you hear hear it on TV.

if you if you study like um I've heard. even well I won't say names but please. do well you know Lou alander right Lou. was mentioned that day a lot of people. have Easter 2026 well the year 2026 I. gave him the specific. time and it was with Robert grant that I. told him about this alignment and all. and he's like oh my God he's been.

looking for this Ruby this little Ruby. you have to find and place it between. the Pauls of spins to make. this event that he knows is going to. happen in 2026 I said Robert it's not a. Ruby it's the star of regular he looks. like he's like oh my God that's it's the. king star. so what's going to happen I don't know. but I think it's possible that's.

the that's uh the return of Christ. yeah or the lady and the whole Heavenly. Host living with us. Jesus that's the first time I've ever. said that in my life. publicly you're the first and a million. people ask. me. this I think it's entirely.

possible that uh cuz she told me she. told me this she told me that when the. suffering of man comes becomes too great. that they're going to stop it and they. go snuff out the. darkness that's why the military and. government all want to know about this. because they know it's real they know. this lady has been seen a million time. and when she comes she's always warning.

of some big catastrophe in the Native. American World they call her The White. Buffalo cath lady and she would come. warning about some tribe coming to to to. kill everybody or some big event it's in. every culture that. way but I'm as you know I wish I know. more what else do you.

know I just. uh I think we're living in the worst the. the worst possible times right now that. uh if we don't make some. changes there there's going to be some. disasters about to happen and it's. manmade it's not solar flare it's not. any of that. it's it's it's h it's a dark force cuz.

she told me well I tell you what she. told me this is what I put in writing. part of it she said there are people in. power I put this in writing in 2012 she. said there are people in. power and I'm not going to say where she. focused my thoughts on that but they're. script in the Book of. Revelations to bring about Armageddon. and the end of the. world they're doing it intentionally and.

that's what she told me and that's the. very thing I the main me of the whole. message I sent. to these. jist so it makes sense. right who is they I don't know who they. are I think they're Satan. I think of people that worship the dark. force that uh don't care for Humanity in. human life and fact they're the total.

opposite of you know worship the devil. or the I don't know if there is a devil. I think it's a it's a it's a very dark. force that is. living full of dark entities that feed. on you partically like um they' be. non-physical the they they shape shift. they take your mind over they make you. do crazy things they deceive you make.

you kill somebody go crazy where the the. phen the the Angelic world or the. physical beings they can come in here. and light these beings are made of. light the dark force is a parasitic race. and whoever is aligned with that. is according to the mother the lady. um is script in the Book of.

Revelation did want it to. happen why did they want it to happen I. think it's it's the dark for us I think. that they want to Snuff out God they. don't want us to have God in a heart why. do you think they did Evolution that's. the biggest dumbest thing I ever heard. in my life that. that uh that every living thing come. from a mud puddle and it can't happen. it's just not possible that's just it's. a laugh it's a. joke you know what I find interesting.

is from the very. beginning when you saw the. being that that your family and. initially you if I remember correctly. thought was just a medication right. you had some type of an intuition from. the very GetGo that this was a guardian. angel of some type Y and it's natur it. has progressed I knew I had one when I.

was. 10 I just knew it I knew something saved. me cuz the doctor's. like you shouldn't have lived through. this if I showed you the hole in my back. and the lead in front of me right here. you but how did this happen is that. close to my spinal column. I'm leaning over a bit is that close to. the back of my head and directly in line. with my. heart and I knew I knew the doctor told. me you're the luckiest guy in the world.

and all I could think then was it wasn't. luck it was something protected. me in fact in my regression. 208 if you heard the regression I said. they said we were with you when you were. 10 years old and we'll be with you right. on you know what else I find.

interesting you are the only. one to my knowledge that I've spoken to. on this subject on the UFO subject that. believes in Jesus Christ I do. wholeheartedly more today than I ever. did that openly talks about it. yeah more today than I ever and that's.

been a problem of censorship and uh kind. of put me on the back burner and keeping. me at Bay publicly yeah it really. has I'm not. surprised I'm not surprised when that. but I i' never told this message about. what you just we just talked about until. now because now I think it's the time to. tell. it 12 years 13 years I've kept it.

secret only my family. there what do you think that day is. going to look like if you thought you. had to it says in Michel in that. glorious and beautiful day. he's coming back to save us. all do you look forward to that day. absolutely do you have any fear about.

that day I fear my children and these. crazy people that just just can't get a. hold of their whatever they're doing I'm. 60 almost 63 years old I've been through. 11 or 12. presidents and people my age and your. age but especially my age everything's. happening in now is. completely not normal and we all see. writing on the wall we all see the. players some of these players there's a.

lot behind the. scene um that we SP you know they're. hidden but we all see something ain't. right and and there's got to be a. cleansing and the only thing that can. change people is. God and the phenomena can change you. inside. but there ain't going to be no change of. humanity without having some spiritual. thing come in and changes from the. inside. out and that's what's.

coming and there's nothing nobody can do. about it they can squir and squirm and. try to make it look negative and ugly. all they want but it's not going to stop. what's coming according to. her and in the Book of Revelations in. the very last chapter. it. says when the Army surround Israel on. all four. sides that he's coming back to fight the.

battle and rid the world of evil and. then there be a time of Peace thousand. years and that's what the lady told me. same thing. I said a lot thank you for sharing that.

oh oh lot 18 years I've never told this. or 17 and a half years how does it feel. to get it. out. right right I'll get a lot of blowback. from this I promise you I just hope the. the world that has been told is the. devil can wake the heck up and see that. a little bit of Heaven's coming here to. help. us would you be willing to come back on. this show I would love to yes.

sir I'd be honored I could go deeper but. um I think this is a a good part to end. this interview. uh but with that being said I would love. to get you back cuz I have a lot lot. more questions but I know it's been a. rough day just say the word and I'll be. here thank you Chris I. promise you know there's been a lot of.

speculation on. on if UFOs are strict strictly a some. type of. spiritual entity or if they are nuts and. Bs. or if it's both there's a possibility. there's both but uh I haven't seen the. other side a.

whole all these years experience has. been with the the the the phenomenon I. call. it um is a spiritual thing it's like. magic they appear out of nowhere in fact. Tim burette made a quote and I saved it. believe that. the the uh interdimensional world would. be the the angels and so if there might. be some star Cruiser coming from some.

Planet some far away and stopping over. to to resupply and get some gas or. something right but I can tell you. there's not a reason in this world an. alien would come down to the river where. I'm crying out God help me why would he. even care why would they want to help me. why would help all these other people. even animals because they have. compassion for us. and um and. love I know I already asked this but I.

do want to ask it again and I just want. to hear what you personally think I mean. if 2007 to 24 we're talking almost. almost what what 17 years now. yeah why you what is it that you believe. that God saw in you in that moment of. time lots of people look up I think that. the phenomenon or God or.

whoever knew that I'm the kind of person. that would never back down never ever. look at Paul in the Bible look at all. the apostles every one of them they knew. what they knew and they went to death. for it they were boiled in oil and. tortured and crucified and hung upside. down and dismembered because they knew. without a doubt Paul on the road to.

Damascus it says and a flash of light. flashed around him and blinded him it. was an. orb the ball of light and that's exactly. what comes out of the sky and interacts. or comes into my house or around us this. is the light and it answer ERS to. prayer how do you. pray I pray to the Father the Son and. the Holy. Spirit the the Holy Trinity how do you.

ask do you just talk to it is it. ceremonial no it's a thought I could I. don't have to say a word I can think and. they come they're connected to our. thoughts 100% yours too they know your. thoughts they know all of us in fact I. believe every every body has Guardian. Angels probably at least. two and I've been quoted saying there's. 15 around me at all times my kids are. like how do you know that Dad cuz I.

constantly see there's about 15 of them. that'll appear and sometimes they do it. all at. once so I think you have them all you. got to do is acknowledge it I know I. have them you do I've talked about it. several times on this show and given. very very detailed examples. and. uh next time I'll share those with you I. want to hear that I really do but well.

Chris what a man thank you thank you. thank you for what you're doing and um. thank you for being here and God bless. you brother I appreciate you show so. much appreciate you too we'll see you. soon. God bless thank. [Music].

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