Brandon Fugal - Owner of the Mysterious Skinwalker Ranch Reveals UAP/UFO Encounters | SRS #70

Ladies and gentlemen, you are probably. wondering why I am smiling from ear to. ear right now. And I'm about to tell. you. My next guest has taken me two. years just to make contact with. Thanks. to his brother and his beautiful wife, Kristen. We have finally got him in SRS studio. for an in-person interview. And it's a. phenomenal interview. It's packed full. of information and inspiration. He grew.

up in a bluecollar family in Utah, became a real estate mogul at a very. young age, which eventually led to the. purchase of a very famous ranch outside. of Salt Lake City that all of us know as. the Skinwalker Ranch. Lots of anomalies. and phenomenons happen out there. a ton. of UFO activity and unexplainable, at least at this moment in time,

phenomenons. It's one of my favorite interviews of. all time. Ladies and gentlemen, if you like the. show, please like, comment, and. subscribe. Go to Spotify and Apple. Podcast. Leave us a review. And we see a. lot of you taking our content, turning. it into your own content. We made it. easy for you. Go in the description. There is a link below full of raw reels. that you can edit, put on your channel, put on your IG, your Tik Tok, wherever.

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It's good to be here. It's a privilege. to be with you. It's an honor to have you sitting across. from me. We have been trying to get you. in here for over a year, I think, ever. since I first heard about Skinwalker. Ranch and and it's finally come to. fruition. I can't believe you're sitting. here. I'm I've been just ecstatic about. interviewing you for for a long time. So, thank you for coming. Uh it's it's. an honor and uh glad we could make the. time. I'm anxious to to answer any.

questions and dive into the big picture. relative to the investigation and all of. the events leading up to what uh what. has driven us to launch what I believe. to be the most uh the most important. frontier science effort of its of its. kind in the country. It's incredible. You know, I've I've. wanted to tap into the to the UFO UAP. phenomenon type content subject,

whatever you want to call it, for a long. time. and. you and your team or anybody on your. team was was the was my number one. choice because. I look at all these people out there. that are that are putting content out or. putting information out, disclosure and. stuff and and you're the only. organization that really just backs it. with with real science, real. experiments, and it's documented. And.

you know, this is a this is a subject. that I mean, it's a controversial. subject and and it's hard to it can be. hard to wrap your head around this. stuff. And so the the way that you guys. are bringing this stuff to the to the. forefront in the way you're doing it. with real science and scientists and. experiments is it's fascinating. It is. fascinating stuff. They're scary topics. I mean, a lot of these these topics are. unsettling. A lot of people are.

understandably uncomfortable. being faced with the reality. Yeah. That that these things are happening in. our airspace, happening in our own. backyards. And to have scientific rigor and. discipline and a multidisciplinary team. focused on gathering the data and. documenting the reality of the. phenomena. uh in many cases for the first time is. it's an honor but it's a sobering.

uh privilege and I think we're just. getting warmed up. I think so too. Let. me give you a quick introduction here. So, chairman of Collars International, commercial real estate Mongol, investor, entrepreneur, visionary, husband, father, boy scout, and the owner of the infamous Skimwalker. Ranch. Now, Skimwalker Ranch is the most. Googled location in the entire world, or. at least the country. It's the number.

one most Googled landmark in the United. States. That's. according to Travel and Leisure and. Google. That is crazy. More UAP UFO sighting. phenomenons happening there than as far. as as far as I know than anywhere else. on the planet. Yeah. For whatever reason, we're seeing. the highest level of or the highest. frequency of UFO sightings and. paranormal activity centered in this.

area. for whatever reason uh it uh it. has been a hotbed and this has been. going on for decades if not millennia. and we're fortunate to be picking up the. baton and carrying forward in a in a. sophisticated and I think a more. aggressive fashion but these uh these. things have been going on for some time. and we're we're finally bringing it to. the public's attention and I think the. most dynamic way and transparent way. You're doing a hell of a job. And you're.

also, it turned into a TV series, two. different TV series. Skimwalker Ranch is. number one on pretty much every. distribution channel that it's that it's. on. And um but I want to talk to you. after dinner last night. There's a lot. of layers to peel back with you. So, I'd. like to I'd actually like to get a full. life story if you're. You bet. Okay. Dive in. Starting a childhood. Ask me anything. All right, I'll take. you up on that. But everybody starts off.

with a gift on the show. Oh, I got you a couple. Got you a couple. gifts. Oh, wow. What do we have here? Hey, gummy bears. So, those are Vigilance Elite gummy. bears. Great. Love. legal in all 50 states. We love treats. Oh, Zingers. And then uh. one of my all-American favorite snacks, especially as we're coming back from.

from other countries. I'm always really. relieved to find that we have our our. freedom of uh choice when it comes to um. junk food. Your wife Dime. said, "Oh, this is great.". Said you have a an addiction to Zingers. I love it. And of course, thank you for. arming me with my Diet Mountain Dew. Uh, it's I drink about 1 to 100 to 200. ounces of this stuff a day. Um, and if. you look at the ingredients, do you know.

what the the first two ingredients in. Diet Mountain Dew are? I don't. Um, let me have you read. Let me have you read the first two. ingredients if you can. First two ingredients. Carbonated water. and concentrated orange juice. Water and orange juice. It's part of a. healthy lifestyle, Sean. It's. and um your fruit group. Yeah, there you go. It's it's it's fuel. It's it's uh it's. my form of jet fuel for the day. But no,

thank you so much. We'll we will greatly. appreciate the gummy bears and the. zingers. And uh you know, there will be. some. some typical lonely nights late at the. office where I'll probably be breaking. these out. Perfect. And then after dinner last. night, I know you're a sentimental guy. and you have a lot of artifacts and. stuff. And so after talking to you and. your wife Christ Kristen, uh, whose. grandpa was a was a UDT Navy Seal in.

World War II and your grandpa, both your. grandpas were in World War II, I wanted. to give you this. So this is. underwater demolition patch. Oh, thank you. from back in the day, the very beginning of Frogman, and this. is a naval special warfare man. Wow. So, thank you so much. Yeah, you're welcome. Well, service is. is an important thing in our family and. I grew up understanding.

the importance of serving our country. and my grandfathers were incredible. examples and my wife's grandfather was. was was really a trailblazer with with. the predecessor to the Navy Seals. It was the beginning. Yeah. Very cool. And uh this means a lot. this will have. a cherished place in our collection. As. you as you'd mentioned, I love artifacts. from history. You know, those those. tangible pieces that that not only tell.

our story, but I think illustrate where. we've come from and and hopefully. provide a a bit of a reminder, a road. map as to where we're going. Yeah. You know, that's it's important. stuff. they're not teaching it anymore. and they seem to be erasing history at a. record pace. And so it's stuff like. this, you know, and and stuff that's in. the studio and stuff that you have. I. mean, it's important to pass down to the. to the next generations that are coming. up so they know where the hell we came.

from. Yeah. We can never forget. But um but let's get to you. So where. did you grow up? Pleasant Grove, Utah. I'm fifth generation. Pleasant Grove, Utah. My ancestors came from Scandinavia. from Denmark and immigrated in the. 1860s. They were early converts to the. the Mormon church, the Church of Jesus. Christ of Latter-day Saints and settled. in this small community at the base of.

Mount Tempenogus, which is this. incredible mountain backdrop in Utah, and lived in a a small dugout dwelling. until they built both their their early. home and a blacksmith shop that still. stands to this day. I'm very fortunate to have some. incredible ancestors that uh that have. created a legacy in our community and. and serve as examples.

How was your family life growing up? Uh great. I uh I grew up as a child of. the 80s. I just turned 50. So, as a as a. child of the8s, you know, my parents. raised us on a steady diet of Steven. Spielberg, George Lucas, Ridley Scott, James Cameron. I I I was a huge fan of. everything from Nightrider to Battlestar. Galactica to Star Wars to the A Team.

Um, you name it. the pop culture of the period was uh was. in hyperdrive and was was alive and well. in the fugal household. But I have uh. three brothers, all boys. My poor mother. was outnumbered and she she actually. flew in with us, accompanied us uh on. this uh this track. Yeah. So she's in. she's in Nashville. uh with my brothers um doing some.

sightseeing. But uh very fortunate to. have the greatest parents in the world. I I hit the lottery, won the lottery. when it came to my parents and. grandparents and the incredible uh. individuals that they are in the family. My greatest mentor in life uh was my. father who unfortunately passed away. just under two years ago. uh much younger than he should have uh. passed, but he he was an incredible.

example to me and I was raised in this. small community that uh that I continue. to live in with my with my wife. We we. intend to to die there. So, you still you still live in the same. place where. I've lived almost my entire life in this. uh small community of Pleasant Grove, Utah that I love. been going to the same. gas station convenience store since I. was a little boy. Uh we, you know, we. participate in the same community.

gatherings and rituals every year and uh. and have been very fortunate. Uh. not a lot of people like that left with. uh with roots like that where they grew. up. Yeah, it's small town USA at its best. Um, what kind of stuff were you what kind of. hobbies did you have when you were. growing up? You know, growing up, uh, me and my. friends were really close. I had a very. close-knit group of friends, and we we.

stay close to this day. In fact, every. year I pulled together 10 to 12 of my. best friends from my youth that I've. been friends with since elementary. school. We were involved in scouting. In. fact, most of us were Eagle Scouts and. had that wonderful experience. We were. involved in martial arts, uh, karate, uh, grew up not only on a steady diet of. sci-fi and adventure, but also martial.

arts. Chuck Norris uh was a was a hero. uh of mine and uh me and my friends. would spend weekends. sleepovers. digesting every ninja and martial arts. oriented movie that you can imagine. Um. and and we were involved with with role. playing with fantasy. We played Dungeons. and Dragons and other role- playinging. games in our in our youth that uh that I. think uh had a had an impact not only on.

the way we we looked at the world, but. but it forged relationships that uh that. stay intact to this day. I found it the. older I get, the most important things. that we have in this world are not. possessions. They're relationships and. experiences. And I've been blessed with an abundance. relative to the relationships and. experiences. I've had the same best. friend since fifth grade. Wow.

We talk every week. We're business partners. In fact, he's been on the show. He's. been on the docue series as a consulting. uh oncologist, radiologist, as a as an. expert. Oh, no kidding. Dr. Christopher Lee. So, we've been best. friends since fifth grade. We got our. Eagle Scouts together. We went on our. our Mormon missions about the same time. He went to Germany, speaks fluent German. to this day. I went to Hawaii of all. places, learned how to speak some. inappropriate tongen. Um,

but uh I I've been really fortunate. But. we were raised, I think, in a in an. ideal environment as as as part of the. Reagan era. you know, George Bush. Senior. It was uh it was the end of the. Cold War. Uh you know, we we grew up as. kids. uh terrified of of the potential of of. war. Uh, and you know, you grew up on.

Rocky 4 and Red Dawn and and and. understanding the importance of freedom. and our and and our way of life. And we. saw the the the fall of the Berlin Wall. occur. I think that occurred during my. senior year uh where we saw uh a lot of. remarkable things occur. uh that uh that has blessed our world.

and ushered in a new era. You seem to have come from a long line. of a patriotic family. And in my. research, I read that one of the things. that your old man used to say to you. damn near every day is, "What did you do. to make what did you do today to make. your country better?" Yep. Have you done. any good in the world today? On an. almost daily basis, my father would.

reach out to me and ask, "Have you done. any good? Have you done any good in the. world today?" What age did that start? you know, from the time I was a teenager. and and it became even more frequent. as I grew older and and built my own. family and went through my own. challenges. and uh and triumphs. Uh my father's. words and am admonitions stay with me.

every day. And and he had an incredible. father. My grandfather was a decorated. bomber pilot World War II, flew a. Corsair and was fortunate to be selected. to fly over Tokyo Bay when the Japanese. surrendered and and it was a pivotal. moment in the Pacific theater during the. war and and hearing his stories and. seeing his example helped I think.

crystallize those things that are most. important, those core principles. that uh that differentiate. our way of life, you know, our people. How did that kind of. form you into who you are today? I mean, you you So, I did a lot of research on you. I've. seen some people giving you flack, saying that things have been handed to.

you, thinking that you came from a. family from a very wealthy family, which is a bunch of [ __ ]. from what I understand. Yeah. My my father drove a brown beat up. Pendo when I was in junior high. Graduated to a beat up Astro van when I. was in high school. I haven't taken one. penny from my uh from my parents. I was. very fortunate. I I was able to receive. that which was most important which was. an incredible upbringing and examples. But my father's success didn't didn't.

really occur until I was an adult and. had already established myself in. commercial real estate. Uh it's it it's. important to note that it you know my my. father and I were both EY entrepreneurs. of the year for the western region for. completely different businesses. Are you. serious? That's amazing. And I think that that still kind of sets. us apart. Um, in 1920, my. great-grandfather started a construction.

company that became really one of the. largest utility construction firms in. the country. But it wasn't without great. sacrifice. I mean, during the 80s, they. could barely keep the doors open. Uh, they they were struggling considerably. and my father and his brother Guy uh. ended up making some critical. bets and risks on fiber optic technology.

on on devising methods to be able to. install longhaul fiber optics. underground. and uh and really took the utility. constru construction business into the. future. So while while it is true that. our family has been very blessed, uh I I. didn't grow up with any privilege, grew. up in the same 18,800 foot house and uh. and was fortunate to be.

blessed with a work ethic. Uh my my dad. expected that that we would work. construction as teenagers. And so every. year I was shipped out of town to work. on construction crews uh with a shovel. in hand and it was literally a ditch. digger uh for years. But it taught me. not only the value of hard work and how. to work long 12 to to 16-hour days, but.

also. to appreciate people from other. backgrounds, from other walks of life. you experience. all sorts in the construction industry. and to be able to to develop respect for. your peers uh even if even if they've. chosen different paths and and have. different approaches to life was was. important. and being part of a team, being part of a crew that is focused on.

on, you know, a a very complex. uh set of requirements was was something. that uh that I enjoyed being part of as. a as a teenager working heavy. construction. And so it it was uh to. everyone's surprise at 18 that I chose. to not pursue a career in the family. business in construction, but to to.

forge a path in commercial real estate. Yeah. What what uh. what prompted that? What what got you. interested in commercial real estate as. a 18-year-old kid? Well, in junior high. at age 13, I became obsessed. with uh business, with who the captains. of industry were. I read a book uh by. Lee Aayakoka, Ayakoka, the the great. autobiography of the automotive icon, who was really the father of the.

American Mustang, the Ford Mustang, and. uh led Ford into great expansion. And uh. we can thank him for that. We can also. curse him for the Chrysler minivan and u. because he ended up uh bringing forward. uh you know the the minivan and and. turning around Chrysler and and one of. the great uh automotive business epics. of our of our age. But uh hearing his.

story and then moving into high school. and having an interest in business, not. just who the power players were, but how. did they get in the positions of. influence that uh that they inhabited? I. mean, by the time I was a junior and. senior in high school, I had my own. subscriptions to the Wall Street Journal. and Business Week. And as I was nearing. the tail end of my senior year in high. school as student body president, I was.

very focused on jumping into a a career. and selecting a career path that would. afford me the opportunity to work with. the captains of industry, the very. people that I was reading about in these. journals, in the the newspapers and the. magazines uh that were that were leading. business and changing the landscape of. our world. And through. a comprehensive research effort during.

my senior year in high school, as I was. turning 18 years old, I identified. commercial real estate as being the. ideal career path that would potentially. afford me that opportunity to work with. the captains of industry. Because if you. think about it, if you're in business, you have to have a real estate strategy. Everyone in business, you know, regardless of of what business, for the. most part, has to at some point have a. real estate strategy. And uh unlike the.

law, you know, or or banking or other. disciplines, uh I was able to quickly. get licensed. at at age 18, you know, I I was able to. complete all of the the schooling uh. quickly and and take the test, the. 4-hour test, and and obtain my license. uh to focus on commercial real estate.

And it was a surprise to everyone. My. own parents thought that it was a an. unusual perhaps foolish path uh because. my my father wasn't in the real estate. business. But I saw it as an opportunity. to be involved with the changing. landscape of the communities. uh surrounding us and and the rest is. history. So I started off in business at. a very young age at 18. uh sold my first.

office park when I was 19 years old. Wow. And um and I built a proprietary. database. as a teenager tracking all of the. inventory. and the power players in the market. Uh, I I would spend hours every day. cataloging. every building from one end of the. market to the other and the companies. that occupied spaces in those buildings.

and who the CEO CFOs were, how much. square footage they occupied, when their. leases were up, did they have an. interest in buying in the future, you. know, what were their plans for growth, what made them tick, and I uh I built. that database as as really a crystal. ball that would give me visibility into. who would be making moves in the future, who were the most likely companies and. entrepreneurs. that would be changing the the landscape.

of the business community both. figuratively and and quite literally. You you were doing that at 19 years old, 18 and 19. And at uh it supercharged me. Now, I took a break uh at at 19 after. spending about 15 months in commercial. real estate. I I elected to go on a a. mission for my church for the Church of. Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and. served for 2 years in Hawaii. But uh I.

kept my license active when I entered. the mission field and uh and a lot of. the transactions that I had teed up that. were in process or progress uh before my. mission thankfully came to fruition when. I was but a greeny a a young missionary. at age 19. And uh it was funny. I I. quickly obtained a brick phone when I.

entered the mission field, which which. was very unusual. This was 1992, so I'm. dating myself here. And uh and kept in. touch periodically with my office back. in Salt Lake uh to make sure that my my. deals were progressing. And it was. funny, I bought my first Armani suit as. a Mormon missionary on a bike. Uh, I bought it from the the Italian men's. wear store at Kahala Mall, which was. kind of the posh mall uh right outside.

of uh Honolulu. at the time. And uh and it was uh it was. a was a fun reward, I guess, uh to treat. me myself to that after selling some. buildings and and having those deals. come to fruition. So even though I was. focused on my my mission and my my. missionary service, I was fortunate to. see transactions close for a period of.

time that I had uh placed under contract. before before leaving for Hawaii, which. was an unlikely uh mission call for me. I mean, most of my friends were going to. to foreign lands. to me whether it be. Chile or or Germany uh or other places. And to to get a call to Hawaii was uh. was quite a surprise for me. So it sounds like that was uh somewhat. of a life-changing experience. Changed. my entire life. Every day of my life uh.

has been influenced by that 2-year. mission experience that I had. the. relationships. forged, the lessons learned. uh during that period of time. I mean, that's such a formative time in anyone's. life, in any young p person's life. You. think of what happens between ages 18 or. 19 and 21. And that's a period of time.

where where you're making decisions as. to who you are and how you view the. world and and what kind of person you're. going to be. and to be in a position. where where I was focused on Jesus. Christ and teaching people the gospel of. Jesus Christ and and even just. performing service just helping people. I mean at the time uh the islands were. hit by Hurricane Aniki. there was a huge. hurricane that came in and destroyed.

uh a lot of the communities and that was. a heck of a way to start my mission. Uh. you know, we had you know power power. lines down uh entire living spaces that. were that were flooded as a result. A. lot of destruction. And for a period of. weeks, we didn't really teach anyone. about Jesus Christ. All we cared about. was helping people clean up the disaster.

and the mess. And that service. experience. uh was was really important. It was uh. it was I think. Christianity at it at its best to see. neighbors coming together, to see communities working together. in the face of. destruction, in the face of this natural. disaster that had taken place. and to to.

be able to to work to help people dig. out of that, you know, with no no. thought of compensation. I mean, we're. we're just there to help, you know, we're we're there as missionaries. without any money. Yeah. And not looking for any compensation and. and just wanting to roll our sleeves up. and and help. And that was that was an. important experience for me. the the. whole experience with Hurricane Eniki at.

the beginning of my mission uh really. set the right tone for the rest of my. experience. And I I had a uh companion. at the time. He was my senior companion. and my trainer. His name was Brian. Arnold. Many people know him as Dragon. He's my head of security. He was down there with you. So, the. relationship built with Brian Arnold, otherwise known as Dragon, uh, at. Skinwalker Ranch as my head of security,

has has been a a relationship I've had. since my mission. He was my my senior. companion. That's incredible. And we've been dear friends ever since. It didn't start off that way. We hated. each other. the first the first several. weeks uh of my mission uh we were just. at each other's throats. I mean you when. you're young men and you're thrown into. a small little apartment together, you.

come from different backgrounds and are. in in different places emotionally. uh it it can be uh. it can be a different experience and uh. at first we really didn't see eye to eye. and didn't get along. Uh but after a. couple of weeks and uh a fist fight. where we broke some furniture, we uh we. found common ground and became dear. friends and had some very special.

experiences. uh serving, you know, teaching people. and uh and really learning a lot about. ourselves. And so that uh that. friendship has been enduring and has. been important part of my life. And so. when I bought the ranch, when I acquired. Skinwalker Ranch secretly, I needed. someone that I could trust that would. help run security as we were uh bringing. in dignitaries and scientists and guests.

to to engage with the investigation. And. you know, he you know, Dragon had the. the background as a as an expert. marksman, uh, licensed security. specialist with the state of Utah and. someone who really loves the outdoors. Uh, the environment seemed to be a. perfect fit. for him. Plus, he has that that look on. his face all the time. I mean, people.

refer to that look as as uh as, you. know, kind of a a uh a [ __ ] face look. Uh but he's always had that uh that. demeanor. He's always had that sour look. on his face. Uh which I felt uh was was. perfect for someone who would be running. security. Yeah. Yeah, I could see it. So when you. got back from Hawaii, so were you an. agent broker? Did you own the buildings.

at that age or. Yeah, I was merely acting as a broker. bringing together landlords and tenants, buyers and sellers and uh facilitating. transactions. I I mean I I think this. stuff's fascinating because today's. world you just hear victimization, you know, it's it's I can't make it. because of this and I can't do it. because of this and these people are. getting in my way and this this group's. keeping me down and and and so.

to have somebody like you in here who. who who came from nothing and built. everything you have, there was no college fund. There was no. college fund. It was either we had to go. work construction or or have a. scholarship, you know, have grades that. would would allow us to have a. scholarship. I was fortunate to have a. leadership scholar scholarship. uh to what is now Utah Valley. University, which is the largest. institution in the state, but it, you.

know, nothing was was just handed to me. I mean, those things had to be earned. and there was sacrifice required. I made. $500. my entire first year of working. full-time while going to to school. full-time. I starved to death. trying to jump into the commercial real. estate business. The sales cycle. involved. was long and arduous, but also the the.

learning curve and being able to to to. build a platform, you know, to build a. career, it takes years and it's years of. sacrifice, years of starvation. And I. think all too often people underestimate. what kind of sacrifice is required in. order to truly succeed. Uh in order to. get extraordinary results, you have to.

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to do. It's it's sacrifice. It's being. willing to persevere in the face of. adversity. And you know business is is no different. than you know the military or or any. other path. I mean it's it requires. sacrifice, persistence and and. discipline in order to to succeed. And. you know there at least in my world. there there's no easy deal. There's no.

easy path. and uh you you learn how to. sidestep a few landmines and learn how. to efficiently navigate transactions as. you grow and mature. But uh it's it's. it's really not any easier today than it. was decades ago. I just have a little. bit better arsenal to deploy in service. to getting results. It at what age did. you start acquiring your portfolio of.

real estate? you know, my 20s. So, I I. uh I quickly uh accelerated. my my success, my uh control of the. commercial real estate market in Utah. By the time I was 25, I had more office. building listings, was representing more. buildings than anyone, I believe, at the. time. and I had the opportunity to. launch what was Coldwell Banker.

Commercial. Uh Coldwell Banker. Commercial was one of the oldest, if not. the oldest commercial real estate brand. in the United States. And there had uh. there had been an opportunity at that. time to to reintroduce the the CBC brand. and platform to the market. And so I was. I was fortunate to co-found the. Colbanker commercial operation in Utah. at age 25 and quickly grow it into the.

largest commercial real estate firm in. uh in the inner mountain west. Uh it was. it was an incredible. uh opportunity to be able to to leverage. the proprietary database, the datadriven. approach that had differentiated me. early in my career. to to really develop a uh a large. commercial real estate firm that.

transformed the market and still. continues to lead the Inner Mountain. West under Collers. Uh but uh it it. wasn't until my 20s that I finally uh. was able to to have the momentum to be. able to to take some ownership and. diversify. in that regard. And you know, I'm very. fortunate in that I haven't had to give. up my role as a trusted adviser and.

broker while, you know, diversifying and. having equity and owning uh real estate. I've been able to I've been able to have. the best of all worlds in my career. thankfully. Some of the developments that I've seen. that um that you've that you've. developed are I mean it's some beautiful. architecture. Yeah. the largest office parks in in. really the inner mountain west. Largest. mixeduse centers that have changed the.

skylines. of the community. And I I have to tell. you that is the greatest rush to see a. tangible manifestation. of my labors. to be able to see the. impact of my work manifest in the the. workspaces, in the the shopping uh malls. and and the the places that are. providing employment and the economic. development vehicle for our communities.

to thrive is a is a real privilege. Do. you have a do you have a favorite piece? The most unique piece of my portfolio is. obviously Skinwalker Ranch, the most. scientifically studied paranormal hot. spot on the planet. We'll get to that in. a few minutes. I uh I I am currently master planning uh. over,200 acres on the north shore of. Aahu in Hawaii where I serve my mission.

In fact, it's a it's an incredible. agricultural. uh project that is providing the. opportunity to return private ownership. to the community of these, you know, 5. to 20 acre farm lots that have. incredible ocean views and and the. ability to create a true sustainable. community. Uh but in Utah as far as the. office parks and commercial centers, uh. I have a project called Thanksgiving.

Park that that is in the heart of what. we now call Silicon Slopes. Uh almost a. million square ft of class A office. space that has been a an important part. of my my career. Uh, putting that. project together at its inception all. the way through to to success and. conclusion has been a great privilege. But a number of other incredible. projects. Falcon Hill, which is, I.

think, the finest aerospace research. park in the country at Hill Air Force. Base, is a uh noteworthy project that. I've had the privilege of being involved. in since since the beginning that uh. that will continue to grow and expand. Uh but so many mixeduse projects. I. currently represent projects in 28. municipalities. Oh, wow. several hundred uh properties. that I I currently have the privilege of.

representing uh coupled with maintaining. my position as chairman and co-owner of. of Collier's International's Inter. Mountain operation. Collers who who I. merged with five years ago is one of the. big three global commercial real estate. service providers with 65 offices. excuse me. with over 500 offices in 65 countries.

Oh wow. And 17,000 professionals. Collars is. truly a global company. and to to merge. my my previous firm Cold Banker. Commercial with Collers propelled us to. another level and has has been an. exciting evolutionary step in my career. and in tandem with that you know to have. some of these other more unconventional. projects that I've been focusing on uh. has made life. very interesting.

I'll bet. Let's talk about let's go back. to Hawaii. The Dole plantation. What's. what is going on with the Dole. plantation? Well, Dole is in Dole Fruit. Yeah. So, Dole Foods, who uh started. farming uh the property in in Hawaii. back in the the mid 1800s, has moved a. lot of their farming operations to third. world countries and as a result has been. willing to sell their key pieces of uh.

of property uh in Hawaii. And I. fortunately not only being familiar with. that area as having lived there for. several years and served there as a. missionary uh saw an opportunity to. acquire the property, bring in partners. to uh complete a master plan and to. preserve the cultural and the. agricultural. focus and history of that area. In the.

midst of this property, there is a 350. to 400 acre canyon ranch that has. remained unseen by by the general. public. It's it has been uh a secure. part of the overall assemblage and is. right out of Jurassic Park. or Avatar. It's a beautiful. uh. beautiful paradise that uh that we look. forward to introducing the public to in.

the future. What do you uh what do you envision? Well, right now we're focusing on the. the agricultural mission and returning. private ownership to the local. community. And as such, we've we've been. selling 5 to 20 acre lots for these uh. these farmers to to be able to create a. a sustainable experience. And. that's amazing. to to reclaim the land. And it's it has. been a lot of fun. All of this property.

for the most part is ocean view. So, it. looks out over the entire Northshore and. uh is just just an incredible piece of. property and and a fun project uh to. work on in tandem with Skinw Walker. Ranch and and also leading the uh the. largest office developments in the inner. mountain west. I've had a I've had a lot. going on. I've had my hands full. It sounds like it. I feel like I'm I'm. living about 10 lifetimes at once.

currently. But it's it's a great. privilege. It's a high class first world. problem as my dad. would always. Hey, you know, I I think these stories. are kind of like what I was talking. about just a couple of minutes ago. I. think they're extremely important. because it's showing that you don't have. to be born into this. It's hard work. It's it's it's it's. getting your hands dirty. It's it's. Well, the American dream is alive and. well. Yeah.

Look at me. I I I'm the son of a ditch. digger. That's what I'm getting at. And uh and and my dad would would be. chuckling right now. He'd be nodding. saying, "Yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, we're we are uh we're immigrants. that uh that followed a dream, you know, that that came to this country, you. know, to to start a life. And only in. America do you see the kind of. opportunities that that allow people to.

fulfill their dreams and I hope that we. can keep that that alive. I'm I'm. worried about that. I'm worried about. our country right now and the forces. that seek to undermine freedom, that. seek to undermine free capitalist. principles that allow people to take. risk and be rewarded for taking risks. And I I hope that we we see the same.

opportunities for the generations to. come that we've we've been fortunate to. have. I hope so, too. There's um I'm worried. about it, too. Yeah. I know there's a. lot of us worried about the direction. that we're heading in right now. Yeah. It pisses me off. Me, too. I'm I'm pretty pretty angry about the. the state of affairs in this country, and I hope that we can find more unity. That that's the funny thing is I feel. like when all is said and done,

we really have more in common. as we pull people together and we unify, you know, our communities. But there's. so much out there trying to divide us. And I uh I hope that I hope that truth. will prevail and that good people will. work together to to help uh our country. thrive in the future. Uh I it's it's.

important. I I'm very thankful for the. opportunities I've been given. I. wouldn't be where I'm at without good. parents, grandparents, with without great. examples. Even my my teachers, yeah, my. my high school teachers who had such an. impact on me, our educators don't get. anywhere near the praise that they. should. In fact, we just went to we took. our uh our favorite high school teacher.

to Mission Impossible this last weekend. uh just to stay in close touch and the. impact that Mr. Blazedell who is who is. our favorite teacher. He was he taught. English and German at Pleasant Grove. High School. The impact he has had on. our lives and inspiring us to do better, to be better, you know, not only with. learning English, but also being better. human beings and following his example.

Uh that impact and that influence cannot. be underestimated. And I think it's. important we we. I think it's important that we honor. those. who are teaching our children that are. teaching correct principles and being. examples. uh for our community. And so it's it's. it's fun.

What you'll find with me is I I surround. myself primarily with people that have. had an impact on me since my youth. You. know, my my best friends, regardless of, you know, what their occupation or their. path in life or even our even the. teachers from my past still act. and serve as mentors. and I'm thankful for that. That's amazing.

Let's talk about your wife, Kristen. So, we had dinner last night, me and my. wife, and you and Kristen. And um you. know, I never really know what to. expect. And and especially with with. somebody like you coming in, you never. really know, you know, how it's going to. go. And both of you are so grounded and. just a real pleasure to be around and. and you compliment each other perfectly. When did you guys meet? Yeah, we met a.

number of years ago. Uh we've only been. married for uh for almost 2 years, but. we met each other at age 11 and uh lived. in the same neighborhood, grew up. together, but went different directions. We didn't date uh in high school. Uh, I. I I should have had more courage to ask. her out, but she was both too pretty and. and I think she was a little shy and and. I was as well. Uh, but we end up bumping.

into into each other later in life. You. know, she's a widow. uh her first. husband died of H1N1. uh you know the flu a number of years. ago and and left her raising you know. two boys and a daughter and grappling. with you know what what that meant the. implications of of being a widow in her. early 40s and and I've been in a in a.

state of transition was was married uh. for decades But uh uh that didn't work. out. I mean life is is complicated. You. know, we all like to think when we're. when we're young uh that it's going to. be a linear it's going to be a straight. linear predictable path, but it isn't. Uh life throws a lot of curve balls. And. I've been fortunate as we we met each. other a number of years ago. actually.

bumped into each other in the lobby of. her uh of her building where she was. working for one of the most prominent. law firms in the state that I happened. to be working with that uh we uh we. reconnected and and I'm fortunate to. have a wife that is not only my best. friend and my partner but someone who. shares the same excitement. and and shares the same goals and. objectives. Uh it's it's great to have.

that. I didn't know that that existed. I. I was pretty jaded. I didn't think that. you could really be married to your best. friend. Um and that uh that that would. be possible. But she's been a key key. force behind. uh everything, business, Skinwalker. Ranch, and and all of these other. efforts. And she's uh she's she's a lot. of fun. We I've never laughed so hard in.

my life. And I I never thought I would. find balance. at age 50. Um it's uh it's funny. I I I really am a. a teenager from the 80s stuck in a. 50-year-old body. If you if you ever. want to figure out kind of what makes me. tick or really my world view, just think of me as a 16-year-old from. the 80s stuck in in this time frame in a. 50-year-old body. And that sums it up.

Uh, I think it's important to note my. friends and I really remind me of the. kids on Stranger Things. I don't know if. you're familiar with that series on. Netflix, but my best friends and I, we. were 12, 13 years old in the mid80s at. that same time period. And we we were. convinced that there was there was. nefarious activity going on and you know. under the surface of small town Pleasant. Grove and and there were mysteries to be.

solved and I remember riding our bikes. around town between uh toilet paper. people's homes at night and uh running. down to 7-Eleven to get a a big gulp or. a slurpee and watching watching videos. you from from the the local video store. Um, we we were really fortunate to to. have uh a world ahead of us that seem to. have no limits. There seem to be no.

limiting factors. And I I would say that. that still holds true. Our greatest. uh barriers to success are sitting right. there in the mirror. I think uh we hold. ourselves back more than more than. anyone else. I you know the power to. take command of one's destiny is uh is. right there in the palm of your hand. And so it back then I remember. anything seemed possible. And I think.

this this realm this reality that we. live in is a uh is a reality. where long shots are possible. uh where dreams can be fulfilled. You. look at the heroes of our age, whether. it be Michael Jordan, you see his his. story played out in that there's a movie. called Air uh that that shows that his. deal, you know, the the deal with. between he and Nike that created the Air.

Jordan. Yeah. Um and and you go down the the. list of just incredible. uh examples of triumph over adversity. and the fulfillment of dreams and. ambition. manifest in our world. And it's it's. nothing short of inspiring. And I think. we're just we're just getting warmed up. I think the opportunities we have before. us in this day and age where we all we.

all carry around the equivalent of a a. library of Alexandria in our pocket. times 10,000. where. there really aren't limiting factors at. least so far as long as we preserve and. protect our freedoms. and our our our right to to be able to. succeed and to take risk and be rewarded. for that risk. I think keeping that. intact, that system intact is going to. be so critical to our success going.

forward. I mean our our uh ancestors. fought for it, died for it. Died many so. many people died so that we we can enjoy. the freedoms we have today. And you're. you're proof of that. I mean, you. serving with the Navy Seals, you're a you're a hero. You're a. patriot. you and your. your crew made it possible that for us. to be sitting here right now.

and having this discussion. I think that. reminding people of that that freedom. isn't free, that it comes at great cost. and we need to to be vigilant is is. important. It's more important now than. ever. I agree with you. But thank you for. saying that. You know, with when it. comes to. I'm trying to figure out how to piece. this together, but last night um talking. with you and Kristen, it seems like a. since you two have been together, a lot.

of things have come around full circle. One of them being uh making the world a. better place. I know that uh Kristen, I. believe, sits on the board of a. nonprofit that is combating sex. trafficking. abuse, and that has been a topic that we've. been hitting here on the show quite a. bit. And so I just I want to commend you. guys uh both of you for that. That's. amazing work. Very important. And um and. and if you want to expound on that a.

little bit. Oh, we we we think it's. important to give back. We're very. passionate about our community. You Utah. Valley University where we both went to. school is is dear to us. I think. providing scholarship opportunities for. single mothers. Her mother was a single. mom. She was raised by a single mom just. down the street in in my neighborhood. And and you know, I was fortunate to. have a leadership scholarship that.

afforded me the opportunity to to go to. school in tandem with with with. building my career in commercial real. estate at a young age. I think. giving. to good causes, supporting causes that. will help our community and help the. next generation succeed and carry that. torch forward is is an important part of. our legacy. And we're we're fortunate to.

be serving on a lot of boards and. contributing to a lot of incredible. causes. Junior Achievement. um SAR PRAA uh you know we even work. actively with the the chambers of. commerce to help support our business. community and and elevate I think the. the community's uh ability to lead not. only in in our in our state but also uh.

be recognized as an example of. excellence nationwide. It's it's no. coincidence that Utah is continually. being recognized as the number one place. to do business in the country. Well, the number one economic. uh place to to do business and it's. because we have an incredible an. incredible environment where the pioneer. spirit that was that was brought by our.

ancestors is still alive and well. that. entrepreneurial pioneering spirit that. uh that drives. uh our community forward is is. thankfully still alive and well to this. day. So Brandon, what is your involvement. with the Supria Foundation? Yeah, my wife Kristen uh serves on the. advisory board of Supria, which which. really focuses on. helping. victims of sexual abuse. Uh it started.

off we really focused on women and girls. who have been the victims of sexual. abuse and now uh men are also being. aided through that effort. But we feel. that's an important philanthropic effort. and and something that we are passionate. about. Their goal is to end abuse and. end it through education and providing a. safe place for victims to be able to get. the help they need and educating, you.

know, the community as to the the. challenges that are out there. That's awesome. Are you guys involved in. any other. charities? Yeah, Maloof Foundation, we're proudly uh working with them and. supporting them. Utah Valley University, what is the what is the previous one? uh. Maloof Foundation also, you know, human. trafficking is something that they are. are are focused on eradicating. Uh. Elizabeth Smart uh who, you know, has an.

incredible story, sits on their board. and as part of their effort, but uh uh. they do they do great work and uh but my. wife's work with Sria is resulting in. saving lives. That's amazing. and educating people uh. with a focus on ending sexual abuse. It's uh like I said, I mentioned before, that's a topic that I made it a point to. cover this year and I'm going to. continue to cover it. I already have.

interviews lined up all the way through. next year on the topic. And and I got to. tell you, you know, the more I dive into. that, the. the more I realize it's it's not getting. any better. It's it's more is coming out. on it. and it's it's just it's a dark sad but. probably the most important topic that. we need to start discussing today.

Well, and and providing solutions. Yes. Giving people safe safety and and help. that are coming out of those incredibly. difficult situations. Yeah. So, we we're very proud to be. supporting those efforts as well as. other philanthropic efforts. It's a key. part of our mission. We need more people like you out there. doing that. That's amazing. Oh, I'm nothing. I'm I'm just a My first.

boss in commercial real estate told me. one day, he said, "Don't forget, you're. nothing but a glorified pots and pans. salesman. Let's keep it real.". Right on. And so I've always tried to. keep it real that uh at the end of the. day I'm just I'm here as a service. provider and and we're only good as good. as our next deal. Every day I wake up. programmed to feel unemployed. Uh and. and people ask me, "Well, haven't you felt great success when you.

when you close on the sale of an office. park or you put together a new project. and close that deal? when you when you. close a mega deal, doesn't that doesn't. that bring a sense of peace and success. and gratification? And the the reality. is the hours following. the closure, the successful closure of. my largest transactions are the ones. where I have felt the most anxiety. because I realize I am unemployed.

You are only as good as your next deal, as your next project. And at the end of. the day, no one cares what you did a. year ago, two years ago. It's what have you done. today? What are you doing tomorrow? uh. memories fade and uh the ability to. constantly. uh reinvent. and sharpen the saw.

so to speak is is a key to success in. business. Not being complacent. Yeah. You know, the other thing that. came full circle which I didn't uh learn. until last night is Skim Walker Ranch. So Kristen was talking about her mother. and how she had this infatuation with. UAP UFO phenomena type stuff and then. and then you come along you guys get.

married and I don't did you already. I already owned the. already own skin. but it was it was a it was a happy. coincidence that she. she happened to be raised by an. experiencer. you know, her mother was was an. experiencer that witnessed a UFO in. broad daylight. with her with her brother and shared. that experience her entire life with. those around her, including her daughter. Kristen, you know, my wife. And so.

Kristen was already somewhat familiar. with the landscape associated with the. UFO topic. and to to hear my disclosure. that I had acquired this infamous piece. of property that had been the center of. gravity for research. and investigation dealing with these. topics was uh was a happy realization. and and quite interesting and it has.

brought things full circle. Um, I would. have never imagined. uh if you would have asked me 10 years. ago, did you. if if I would be in this position today. that I would own uh a piece of property. and be funding to the tunes of millions, if not tens of millions of dollars, you. know, private research into documenting. the reality of the phenomenon. I I would. I would have laughed. I I I wouldn't. have ever imagined it. And and frankly,

I I had no desire to reveal my identity. as the owner when I purchased the. property. I did not want my name. associated with these topics. or the history associated with the. ranch. As as curious as I was, I was a. skeptic. I was an open-minded skeptic. that believed that there was a natural. prosaic explanation for what had been. reported there for decades, if not.

millennia. And and it has been an. incredible journey to to go from not. just a skeptic, but to zoom right past being a believer. to an experiencer. That that was uh very unexpected. I'll bet. Well, let's um before we dive. into Skinwalker Ranch, let's take a. quick break and when we come back, we'll. figure out how that even wound up on. your radar to begin with. You bet. All right,

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And if you don't want to and you just. want to continue to watch the show, that's fine, too. I appreciate it either. way. Love you all. Let's get back to the. show. Thank you. All right, Brandon, we're back from the. break and now we're getting to what I've. really been dying to talk to you about. Skimwalker Ranch. I mean, I found Skimwalker Ranch from a buddy of. mine that I used to work with at CIA. He.

passed me the program and and I dove in. and I I was just. I've been infatuated with it ever since. And there's just there's so much going. on there. You have cattle mutilations, you have radiation spikes, you have more. UAP UFO activity than than anywhere else. I've ever heard of. Yeah. You have all these these weird injuries. happening to people that out there. I. mean, how did this how did this branch.

ever even wind up on your radar? Well, it's an unlikely story. Uh, but about 13. years ago, I was funding an advanced. physics effort. Uh we'd actually. transformed a a large percentage of our. of our hangar facility of our family's. aviation. uh management and hangar facility at the. Provo airport into an engineering lab. testing physics theories dealing with.

gravitational physics. Uh it was an. interesting effort was something I did. not publicize and we ultimately using. scientific rigor and discipline. disproved. the uh the core claims and the theories. that were being advanced. But through. that effort. hold on what got you interested in that? Yeah, it was a former client. So, I had. a a client that I represented back in. the mid90s.

that was a a genius software development. executive that ended up forming a a. company that became the world's leading. internet consulting firm. And he he left. that firm ultimately uh to fund efforts. relative to the UFO phenomena. uh he had. claimed that he had his own experience, had been visited. I found it all to be. quite unbelievable, but I could not uh.

deny his success in business. I'd had. the privilege of negotiating his first. headquarters transaction and uh and and. working with him at a young age. And. when when uh reconnecting with him in. late 2009 going into 2010, uh he claimed that he had spent tens of. millions of dollars focused on really. discovering the the technology or the.

principle of action that would enable. uh gravity, you know, anti-gravity and. over energy. I was I was skeptical. uh but willing to to listen. He he was. he was a very um celebrated respected uh. tech mogul in his 20s in the in the '9s. I mean he sold his first company to. Noville. uh as a teenager.

and uh as I'd mentioned he he he had. built the the world's largest internet. consulting firm. Wow. uh that I had the privilege of of. advising and working with. So. hearing his claims, I was intrigued. I. was willing to invest uh even willing to. to devote some of our facilities and. resources to to the effort. Well, it.

ended up becoming a very challenging. endeavor. But through that experience, I. developed relationships with. a team of science adviserss. that unbeknownst to me were. simultaneously advising an elusive. billionaire out of Las Vegas named. Robert Bigalow, Bigalow Aerospace, who. as a as a real estate developer. uh and entrepreneur was was a kindred.

spirit of sorts. And so it following the. closure of that research project back in. 2013, uh I was surprised to receive a call. from the two senior science adviserss. that had had been on our board uh with. the question uh as you know asking if I. would be interested in having a a. discussion and a meeting with Mr. Bigalow.

regarding a ranch in northeastern Utah. known as Skinwalker Ranch. They asked me. if I'd heard of this place. I told them, "Yeah, I I was familiar with a book that. had been published, you know, back in. the mid 2000s called Hunt for the. Skinwalker." Uh, I chuckled and told. them I I didn't know that there was any. truth to it, but I remember it being a. uh an entertaining read at the time. Uh, but I told them I said, "You know that.

I'm a skeptic. I've never seen a UFO, a. ghost orb. You're also aware that I just. concluded funding a project where we. by using scientific rigor and discipline. debunked the core claims. And I'm really. not interested in in, you know, these. these fringe topics." and I I happen to. believe that there's most likely a.

natural prosaic explanation for the. claims that are being made. Well, they. they proceeded to say, "Well, Brandon, there's a lot more going on than meets. the eye. and you as a as a real estate. mogul and adviser. in the inner mountain west, you know, uh, seemed to be a potential fit to. joint venture or at least have a. discussion with Mr. Bigalow. And I I.

agreed. I I I jumped at the chance to at. least have a meeting, to have a. discussion. Flew down to Las Vegas and. found myself at Mr. Bigalow's uh Bigalow. Aerospace Compound, which is the closest. thing to a James Bond villain lair that. I've ever seen. I mean, it's a it's an. incredible facility. I mean, huge. buildings that house full-size space. stations and space habitats that have. been designed where they're they're.

they're doing the materials science and. the life safety uh testing and uh and. engineering to to really position. Bigalow Aerospace, at least at the time, to be the real estate development. company of space. Wow. And uh Mr. Bigalow uh had an interest in. in potentially selling the the Utah. property. He had expressed uh he had. expressed not only willingness to. consider the sale but the the fact that.

he was very busy and occupied with uh. you know negotiating deals with SpaceX. and NASA and others uh you know playing. a key role in the private space race. Uh, we we had a great visit and I think. developed a good relationship. I I told. him that I was a skeptic, that I'd never. seen a UFO or a ghost or orb or anything. of the sort, and that I would be. bringing in my own team. I also asked.

him for any of the data. Uh, and he. said, "Well, I'm selling the property on. an ASIS basis. I'm not willing to turn. over any data." not only because the. ranch was part of a Pentagon funded. black budget program between. 2007 and 2013, but he he went on to say. that he felt, you know, he wanted to. keep that that private. And I agreed. At. the end of the day, I felt that starting.

with a clean slate would would help me. establish a baseline and most likely. help me even better establish that there. was a natural explanation for the. reports. So, you wanted a clean slate. You didn't. want the the previous data or research. No, I didn't push. I I asked. respectfully and and I respected his his. response and his request. Did he. So was it was it was he unable to pass.

the the research and the data because it. was a black budget program or or did he. just he just wasn't willing to share? Yeah, I think I think it was both. Did he want you to continue the research. at the ranch? Uh, I think he saw he saw. in me a worthy successor as someone who. would at least be the appropriate owner. taking it forward given my real estate.

background, proximity to the ranch. You. I I live about 2 and 1/2 hours away. It's only about a 45minute flight via. helicopter. Uh, and and he had heard positive things. about me from his science adviserss. his. science adviserss had um had told him. that I had managed the the project that. we had shared in common uh with. professionalism.

and. and I think that uh that meant something. to him. He was not putting the property. up on the market for sale. I mean the. property was never offered or marketed. for sale. This was a very private. transaction, private dialogue and and I. told him that I would acquire the. property uh so long as my identity would. be kept confidential. And I worked with my legal counsel to. structure the entities that would shield.

my identity. In fact, my name wasn't. wasn't on any of the paperwork by. design. I had registered agents that uh. that managed that process and truly. wanted to stay below the radar. and not have my identity associated with. the ranch in any way. What What year was this? 2016. So, I closed closed on the. property the first week in April 2016. and proceeded to bring in my own team.

and assess really whether there there. was any reality to the claims that were. being made. At the time I was on the the. board of the National Parks Council, the. Boy Scouts of America, and. uh honestly was intending to donate it. uh to the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts. for a for a potential site that you were. where that those experiences that could. be had because I didn't think that there.

was anything truly unusual. I felt like, you know, my investigation and and. research would ultimately confirm that. there was nothing there was nothing. paranormal or disturbing about this. incredible piece of property. And so. when I flew in and saw the property for. the first time, I was. shocked at how beautiful. how strikingly beautiful the landscape. was. as the helicopter came in and I was.

looking over at my brother who was. piloting and looking back at Jim Morse. who I was recruiting to come in and be. really the face of the property at the. time and be the ranch manager and the. community liaison. I was taken aback by. how beautiful the property was and the. diversity of the landscape. Here you. have this red rock mesa that runs the. entire expanse of the property from east. to west. You have waterways that biseect. the property. You have these old pioneer.

homesteads that are still standing uh. that uh that that provide a very unique. interesting backdrop and uh and it is a. a working uh ranch. I mean, there has. been cattle brought on and off the. property periodically, and I've I've. maintained that use through my. stewardship over the course of the last, you know, seven plus years as well. And. so, when I flew into the property, I was.

just shocked at how how beautiful it. was. You could shoot any number of. Hollywood films of John Wayne westerns. on this property or even Westworld which. is uh you know a favorite of mine. Uh. it's it's that diverse and that. strikingly uh unique. And I proceeded to. to engage professionals to bring in a. superintendent within days, Thomas. Winterton, who helped assess the.

physical facilities and what we needed. to do in order to install certain. things. And we had caretakers at the. time. I had a uh a a. uh professional an ex Marine who uh was. a drone expert that was tasked with not. only conducting drone surveillance of. the property but also developing a. historical record of the landscape to. better understand every inch of this 512.

acre uh assemblage. How? So when you. when you took over when you took. possession of Skinwalker Ranch, you. really had you didn't have any idea how. much activity was actually happening. there. No. On top of that, you were you were a. skeptic. You had mentioned last night. that you had purchased Skimwalker Ranch. to basically debunk the entire. Yeah. UFO UAP topic. So.

what I'm curious about is how do you how. does somebody that has been conducting. experiments with the US government on a. black budget program who very much. believes in all of these phenomenons. that are happening? How do you determine the value when. you're selling to a skeptic who wants to. acquire it to debunk the ent the entire. operation? Yeah, it's it's a it's a.

negotiation. It's subjective. But I. think Mr. Bigalow knew that I would that. I was respectful. He knew that I would. handle the property with care, with. respect. I think that he he respected. my desire for anonymity, for privacy. Uh, I I didn't tell my family. My, you know, my family, my closest. business partners were purposely out of.

the loop and unaware of my acquisition. and this new venture. uh, by design. So, it was it was an interesting launch. to to the the saga that continues to. unfold with Skinwalker Ranch. Uh, in the. first several months, we dealt with. primarily challenges dealing with. dilapidated infrastructure. We had a a. septic system that wasn't working, that.

was backed up. I found quickly we didn't. have adequate power infrastructure to to. be able to to secure the property. We we. had no fiber optic connectivity uh to be. able to to effectively conduct a more. advanced investigation. So the the first. several months I coordinated with, you. know, Thomas Winterton and Jim Morris. and my caretakers. and other advisers to to address the.

infrastructure issues of this property. It was very very rundown. There was no. command center. There was no technology. The reports that Mr. Bigalow. uh received on a weekly basis were were. sent via fax. There was a fax machine in. 2016. There was a fax machine that was the. primary. technology used for disseminating. reports relative to activity at the.

ranch, believe it or not. And uh. uh I was I was surprised to find that uh. that the ranch was was in that state. I. I was also surprised. to find that on the perimeter fence line. there were animal body parts. There were. there were animal bladders hanging from. the fence line. When I was first shown. the property uh by exiting Bigalow.

security and I asked the security, I. said, "What what is the nature of what. the hell is that? what why why are those. things hanging from the fence line. perimeter of the property? and and the. security at the time looked at me. with a straight face and said, "Look, the Native American neighbors. that surround this property,

place these animal bladders on the fence. line and bless them to keep the demonic. spirits and entities inside this. property and off of their property.". And I I quickly learned that the tribal. leaders. in the Uenta basin and surrounding the. property had been telling their people. not to even look the way of the ranch. That they were they were told don't even. look the way of the property or else you.

may have. demonic forces, entities that would follow you. and uh. and that's something that is that has. been discussed and documented. uh but is is a is an interesting part of. the history. So I I was very surprised. when first inspecting the property and. visiting the property at what I found.

Um, after a couple of months, my. surveyor uh contacted me one day with uh. with a report that he just captured the. image of a UFO. It was right about noon. in uh June of 2016. And I said, "Really? Are you sure?" And he said, "Yeah, I I I. have I have it on my my camera." And I. told him, "Will you stop everything. right now?

Don't talk to anyone else. Drive. straight to my office. because I want the metadata. I want to. download that picture. without it being corrupted, without it. being compromised. I want it directly on. my graphic director's computer to be. analyzed if if you really believe that. you've captured something. And so he he. did. He drove 2 and 1/2 hours straight. to my office in Salt Lake City and. downloaded that image right there in.

front of me, you know, with my graphics. director. We still have the metadata and. it was an interesting image. In fact, uh. it reminded me of the Millennium Falcon. from Star Wars fame. really. Um and uh and it was it was interesting. I checked uh the the flight records to. see if there was any any activity, any. commercial or private uh air traffic. that would match up with that in the. basin during that time uh that that. again corresponded to that metadata and.

there was none. And it was uh it was. intriguing. Was I convinced that there. were that the the UFO phenomena was was. real? you know, that there was some. extraordinary, you know, you know, cause or origin to this. No, but I was intrigued. Several weeks. later, I get another call. Brandon, I've got another image. We myself and. the caretakers just saw a glowing object.

appear right outside of Homestead 1 or. right outside of the ranch house. and. I've got the images and I I I need to. show you this. And I I told him, "Drive. straight to my office." Um, please get. here as fast as you can. And sure. enough, it it was an intriguing image. We had the metadata. It was very. different than the. UFO that was captured weeks before. How so?

Uh, it it had a different shape, different characteristics. Do you still. have these images? I'll share those with you. You bet. I'll put them up on screen. You bet. Um and and those those created. some interest. I still was unconvinced. I mean, we have the Utah test and. training range out west of Hill Air. Force Base. I mean, I've I've worked u. as the the commercial real estate. advisor to Falcon Hill and that. aerospace research park and I'm aware.

that that there are programs that that. that are out there and there are tests. being conducted that uh could very well. be potentially connected with some of. the the uni unidentified. aerial phenomena that uh that have been. reported. So I I remained curious but. unconvinced. And then in October of 2016, I received. a call from one of my adviserss saying. that a certain individual, a prominent. doctor out of Las Vegas,

who had been working on Area 51, had. been a consulting physician, Terry 51, had as his number one request, his. number one wish on his life bucket list. to visit Skinwalker Ranch. and and this adviser of mine asked if I. would be willing to host him. And I. said, "Yeah, of course." I I was. intrigued by this individual's. background. And I I said, "As long as.

they sign the confidentiality agreement. and the liability waiver that I put in. place, I have no problem hosting him.". What did that conversation go like when. he arrived? Well, so they arrive in Salt Lake City, signed the confidentiality agreement. I. I of course informed them that I I did. not want my identity as the owner in the. public domain. I didn't want that. disclosed and I appreciated them keeping. that private. I also told them that.

there had been reports of course for 20. plus years that there's strange activity. on the property and that even though I. hadn't witnessed anything. I mean, as a. sorry, I'm getting a little ahead of. myself here, but as a skeptic, as a skeptic of the entire operation. that's been going on there, even after. seeing the the two photog you were still. a skeptic, correct? And now you have. a guy who had a major part in Area 51, right? Which I mean, what is.

what's going through your head when you. get a phone call asking you for this guy. from Area 51? this is his lifelong dream. to come out to Skim Walker Ranch. I. mean, does that validate. No, I I just thought it was cool. I. thought it was interesting. I was happy. to host them. And so when they signed. the confidentiality agreement and flew. into Salt Lake City and met with me, you. know, an hour before making the journey. and flying out to the ranch, you know, I. told them, I said, "You understand I.

I've owned the ranch for 6 months and I. haven't yet to experience anything. unusual. I've been going out there periodically. to inspect the property, meet with my. team, and all I find is a beautiful. landscape. So, if you're expecting that. you're going to come out today and see. something unusual, bear in mind I own the property and I. have yet to witness anything personally. with my own eyes or even feel anything.

that would be even slightly unusual out. on the property. So, I I look forward to. hosting you today. I look forward to to. it being a a fun day at looking at a a. historic landscape that has a a very. interesting history to it, but uh don't. expect anything more than that. I wanted. that disclaimer to be out there. at the very beginning. And so we. proceeded to to fly out to the ranch. We. were accompanied by my physicist uh who. is Eric Bard, who continues to this day.

as our principal investigator. Eric was. also a skeptic. Uh Eric was the. physicist brought in to debunk and. disprove. the claims of the gravitational physics. effort that I had funded at our private. hanger facility. So I thought who better to bring in to. bring scientific rigor and discipline. and a critical eye and critical thinking. skills to the ranch than Eric Bard. He.

had already disproved these core claims. that uh we had spent millions of dollars. investigating. and uh and was a very very skeptical. person. I mean you could you could flat. out call him he that he is a he's a. non-believer. And so Eric Bard the. physicist accompanied us that day as. well as ranch manager Jim Morse. And uh. upon arrival everyone wanted to hike up.

the mesa. Everyone wanted to get up on. top of the mason, look out over this. incredibly beautiful property. And I was. like, "Okay, fine. Knock yourselves. out." I was I was wearing Armani slacks. and, you know, black dress shoes and I. didn't want to get dirty. And I I was. trying to trying to somehow get a line. out at the time to to check my my. voicemail. And so they proceeded to hike. up to the top of the mesa. And within. minutes, I hear Eric Bard,

the physicist, start shouting down, "Brandon, Brandon, get up here." I look. up and I yell. I said, "Really? You. really want me to hike up? You want me. to run up the face of the mesa to join. you?" He says, "Yes, get up here right. now." He's pointing to his uh his. iPhone. So, I shrug, go booking it up the uh the face of the. mesa in my dress shoes and my slacks and. and uh as I arrive out of breath at the.

top of the mesa, he's sitting there. looking at his phone and and motions for. me to watch his iPhone. We sit there in. silence for minutes. Nothing's. happening. I see nothing unusual. I'm. like, "What what are you talking about?". And Eric says, "Well, you should have. seen it. My phone was malfunctioning in. the most strange ways. It was it was. turning all sorts of magenta purple. color and I've never seen this. It was. very very unusual. And I just shrugged.

I said, "Well, it it's not doing it. now." And about that time, you know, the. others that were up there on the mesa. said that they were feeling a little bit. woozy, feeling a little uneasy. they. weren't and wanted to hike back down and. proceed with the tour of the ranch. And. so we all we all went down and uh. proceeded to drive out to Homestead 2, which is the the cluster of old old. structures that seems to be a center of. gravity for strange phenomena on the.

property. And as we pull up to Homestead. 2 and we're all uh kind of congregating. out in front of those old structures, um it was uh it was interesting. You. know, a few people said, "Well, do you. feel the the ground shifting?" Uh and. and even Eric Bard said, "Yeah, I feel. you guys feeling this sensation that I'm. feeling kind of vertigo." and I I was. kind of across the courtyard. uh from them and I I just smiled and.

said, "No, I I don't feel anything." And. then all of a sudden, Eric says, "Ah, my. phone's doing it again. My phone's. malfunctioning again." Well, I I learned. from earlier that I need to move fast if. I'm going to see, you know, whatever is. happening. And so I I dart over to his. side, and sure enough, his whole phone had turned purple. had. turned this magenta purplish color and. was flashing and acting all erratically. and um and everyone was talking about.

how they they were feeling uneasy. Well, thank goodness he had the presence of. mind to screen capture the. malfunctioning phone. I'll share that. with you right now. Thank you. And uh you can see it. In fact, he was. taking he was taking photos of me right. before standing in the uh the entry to. Homestead 2 in in front of the doorway. uh just before you know they started. feeling uneasy and then ultimately the.

smartphone malfunction started. occurring. Uh it was strange. Uh my. brother Cameron who is a you know very. skilled aviator has multiple degrees in. aviation science and management and my. my little brother Matthew who runs. operations who are there said that they. uh they weren't comfortable uh staying. they said we we want to we want to leave. uh we'll go to the airport call us later. on today when you're available but we're.

feeling uneasy which I thought was the. silliest thing. I'm like, come on. Really? What? So, what how many people from Area. 51? It was Well, so the the there was the. one the surgeon. uh the doctor and then he was. accompanied by two security. professionals. One was uh uh former. president of the California Hell's. Angels. And another one was a. contractor. And then he had his son uh who was a.

grown adult. I don't know how old he. was, but he his son also accompanied. So, it was a group of four of them that. joined at the time my brothers, Eric. Bard, who is, you know, my consulting. physicist, and uh Jim Morse, ranch. manager, and they're all witnessing. this. So, what what was the conversation like? They signed the paperwork, they signed. the the non-disclosure, the the the the. waiver. What are they what are they. hoping to see? Well, I asked them. I said, after.

telling them, I've never seen a UFO. I've owned the ranch for 6 months, and. all I've seen is a strikingly beautiful. landscape, and I'm I'm skeptical. I've. never never seen anything like that that. I can report. And I I proceeded to ask. them, I said, "We're sitting there. preparing to leave for Skinwalker. Ranch." I said, "Do you guys really. believe in this UFO crap?". And the two security guys, the the two. security professionals that were. accompanying the doctor said, "No." They.

shook their heads. "No, we we don't. believe it." And uh and the doctor just. smiled and he says, "You guys don't even. know what you're talking about. You have. no idea what is real." And we all we all. just kind of shrugged it off. And I I. kind of winked at the two security. guards knowingly that Oh, yeah. you. know, the the doctor's, you know, probably just another UFO nut, but. that's okay. He's a nice enough guy. So, anyways, we find ourselves out at.

Homestead, too. Smartphone malfunctioning. Everyone's. feeling these physical effects. My. brothers are feeling uneasy enough that. they want to leave, and they leave. They're they're happier driving and. sitting at the airport for hours until I. tell them that we're ready to fly back. and uh and I'm finding the whole thing. interesting. Well, as we're as we're all. discussing kind of the history of. Skinwalker Ranch and the homesteads, you.

know, we proceed to kind of get our. phones out to take some pictures. I felt. like it was a good photo opportunity. And lo and behold, my phone's dead. It. had previously been at 80% charge. My. phone's completely dead. Eric Bard's. phone that had recorded that where he. had screen captured the uh the anomaly, the the strange colors and flashing was. dead. The others phones were dead.

So we, you know, we didn't have our our. cameras. So, I thought, darn. Well, we. better go take them back to to the ranch. house and plug them in and let them. charge up, but we don't want to disrupt. our day because of it. It was very. frustrating. And so, we took the phones. back, put them in chargers, and then we. proceeded to to return back out to the. old homesteads. This time, we drove all.

the way back out to Homestead 3, which. is beyond Homestead 2. And it's a single. structure. It's it's it's. uh it's pretty haunting looking and uh. we pull up around the back side of the. structure. This is October October uh. 14th of 2016 and we all pile out and we. all walk around the other side and again. we're looking at the landscape and. everyone's visiting and having a good. experience. I mean, my brothers have.

returned, have left and returned to the. airport, awaiting a call, you know, hours later. And uh and we're just. visiting. And after about 10 minutes, I ask, "Well, where's where's George?". The big guy that the security uh the 6'6. security. um professional that uh that was there. was wasn't present. And for some reason, uh, we kind of lost track of him. And.

everyone said, "Well, when we we all. piled out of the, uh, the open air. Polaris, you know, UTV, the Ranger, you. know, no one really paid attention." I. said, "Well, let me go try to find him.". So, I proceed to walk around to the back. of the uh, the homestead, Homestead 3, to find George. And right as I'm coming around the. corner and this this grass area where. we'd parked it and the the vehicle being. off in the distance, it was as if.

something cupped my ears. It was all of. the all of my hearing was was impacted. It was as if I walked into a into a. soundproof room. Have you ever been into. an anotic chamber or a soundproof room? And that sensation, the the only thing. you can do to simulate it right now is. by by, you know, cupping your ears. It's like a frequency change. Yeah. All of the ambient noise. disappears. And I thought it was the.

strangest thing. It was the strangest. sensation. And then I see off in the. distance standing fully upright this 6'6. giant of a man in the back of this UTV. And I thought that's odd. So I yell his. name, George. I can hear kind of muff. It's almost like yelling underwater. That's strange. And I I proceed to to. walk to get closer and he's not. responding. And as I near the vehicle. and shout his name again, he's he's.

standing upright with his eyes closed. And right as I'm nearing the vehicle, all of the ambient noise, all of the. sound comes back, is is restored. And as. I yell his name again, his eyes. fluttered open. and he looked down at me. and uh I said, "What's going on? Something happened? What What's going. on?" And he said, "Well, that was. weird." And I I asked him, I said, "What. was weird? What what is weird?" And he.

he says, "Well, when you all jumped out, when you pulled up and you all you. stopped the vehicle and you all jumped. out, I stood up. and found myself paralyzed. I couldn't. speak. I couldn't move. And then. everything went black. And he asked, "How long have I been how. long have I been here?" And I said, "About 10 minutes.". And he just.

shook his head, was was obviously. disturbed. I asked him, I said, "Has. this ever happened to you in your life? Have you ever had this experience?" And. he said, "No, I've never experienced. anything like this. 10 minutes, wow, had passed. Who knows what happened, but he he felt. odd. He expressed the fact that he felt. a little bit off. And uh and we. proceeded to gather everyone up and uh.

and jumped back in the vehicles. And so, as we're we're going back to retrieve. our phones to have our cameras, we're. driving on that dirt road at the base of. the mesa. you know that main road that. you see on the docu series that runs. east west on the property. And as we're. about halfway back to Homestead 1 or the. ranch house or the command center as we. now call it, the other security professional in the. back starts shouting, "Stop the vehicle.

Stop the vehicle." And I'm driving. I'm. just trucking along driving this little. Polaris UTV. And I look back and he's waving his. hands pointing up ahead. So, I I I bring. the vehicle. to a stop and he's just shouting. He. says, "Look at that. Look at that." And. sure enough, I look right where he's. pointing, right, right above the mesa at 4:00 in the. afternoon on October 14th, and there is.

a 40, 50 foot long silver grayish. disc-like object, what can only be described as a flying. saucer. And it's just sitting there in. in broad daylight, clear as day, right. above the mesa, probably aboutund 100. feet above the mea or so. And we're all sitting there astonished. I'm like, "You guys see that?" And he's. like, "Yeah, that's what I I was trying.

to get you to stop the vehicle.". Within a couple of seconds, it changes. position. It literally blinked from one. position to another. either it moved. with split-second speed or it was able. to to change position through some other. means, but it moves about 50 feet to the. left or to the north. We all. like it appeared 50 ft to the left or. you actually saw it. It was like in the blink of an eye it. could change position and move that.

quickly. We all sat there astonished and. did you see that? Seconds later it drops. to just kind of a low hover above the. mesa. it it literally changes position. and drops right above the mesa. Still. sitting there clear as day. It was. almost like a video game. It looked It. was surreal. And then within a few. seconds later, it darts to the right. We're all with every movement, we're.

gasping. We're saying, "Are you watching. this? Do you see this?" And then within. about 20 seconds from the start of the. event, it is gone. It either it it. appeared that it either went to a dot as. if it were darting off. into the distance at split-second speed. or it was literally phasing out of our. perception instantaneously. Uh but it was gone. And that whole event.

spanning about 20 seconds. that I saw right in front of us with. multiple witnesses at my side that I had. not met before that day that had. professed the same skepticism. that morning. sat there changed forever. In that moment, Sean, I went from being. an open-minded skeptic. to an experiencer. It wasn't.

It wasn't about belief. It was undeniable. It was fact. What we saw was real. Eric Bard, my physicist and principal. investigator, upon all of us getting back, asked that. we not talk with each other about the. event, he wanted to get our independent. testimony, which was wise. He wanted to make sure. that we all saw the same thing and all.

reported the same thing. Uh, and he he. did. He he independently took down all. of our testimony that matched up that. aligned perfectly. We all saw the same. UFO, the same erratic behavior, and we were unchanged. We were changed by that day. It was. crazy. What amount of time were you from top of.

the mesa where the phone started where. Eric's phone started acting up to. 2 hours? 2 hours. That's a hell of a. sequence of events for for 2 hours of. time. And we get back and here here's the. postcript. Not only did we all give matching. independent testimony relative to the. events of the day in that specific. event. The next morning, the 6'6 security.

professional. that had the experience out at Homestead. 3. checked himself into the hospital where. he sat for weeks. with an illness that. no one could diagnose. that he described as the the worst. sickness he'd ever experienced in his. life. He couldn't get up, couldn't walk. And. this immediately followed the.

experience. I mean that's a lot of. correlating. events. that took place on that day. You have. smartphone malfunction, rapid battery depletion, acute medical episodes. for multiple people. Yeah. Multiple witnesses. a diversity of. witnesses, including two who who chose. to leave the area were were so.

uncomfortable they did not want to stick. around. And then a UFO sighting in broad. daylight. with multiple witnesses. All of those things that occurred in. October 2016. changed my entire perspective. And from. that point forward, I proceeded to not. only allocate significant. funds in order to establish the. scientific platforms and the security.

necessary in order to to study this. property and to to document the reality. of the phenomena. But uh I was focused on bringing in the. right team and expanding the team of. professionals in order to to to. understand the nature of what we are. dealing with. Uh within months we we. installed full security gated entrance. with the guard shack that you see today.

We had all of the power infrastructure. upgraded, trenched, installed, fiber. optic infrastructure put in place. We. transformed with the help of Thomas. Winterton and contractors the uh the old. dilapidated doublewide security trailer. into a command center that still serves. as a uh as a key point of research uh. there on the ranch. And we proceeded to. to graduate from game cameras.

and and and and very um. very basic surveillance. cameras and tools to to I think much. more sophisticated platforms to monitor. what is happening at the ranch and the. rest is history. Um over the next year. we proceeded to take more data to. document additional.

uh events of UFO activity and other high. stranges. and uh it it propelled us forward. News of a new terror attack this time in. West Africa. Special forces in the. capital of Mali have stormed a luxury. hotel where gunmen are holding up to. 170 hostages. The standoff at the Rison Blue.

How many bodies. were you seeing? The first few um were just kind of like. sporadic. in the forier area. and then did you know any of them? [Music].

This one American just like called and. said that he's trapped in a room on fire. and he's hiding under one of the banquet. tables and they're shooting over top of. him. Please come get me. Come help me. [Music]. I can't do this alone. The gunmen are. like coming down the stairs and they're. on the landing and then we lock eyes.

and then he yells all Akbar at me and. [ __ ]. those moments of of blacking out. [Music].

All right, Brandon, we're back from the. break and. we just kind of finished up your first. experience of uh seeing phenomena and. UFOs at the ranch. And so there's a. couple questions just rewinding. Um or. maybe you had to So I know you you had.

mentioned that Bigalow did not really. reveal much of what was going on at that. ranch, but I would. Oh, other than that after that day, you had to be dying to get back in touch. with him and and and and. ask questions after what you just. experienced. Did you do that? I I. reached out to his people to Dr. Kellaher and others that had been. advising Mr. Bigalow and.

and asked if there was any way we could. share data from the past or collaborate. simply to to better understand. the nature of the phenomena at the. ranch. And and. Mr. Bigalow was not. not interested. And that's okay. I I I. respected it. He wanted to hold all of. that, keep it close to the vest and um.

and. we we. don't mean to have this pregnant pause. So I'm answering your question well so. which is and the truth.

the truth is within weeks following that. event I wanted to pull together an. advisory. board and Mr. Bigalow to discuss. our investigation and what we had been. experiencing at the ranch, what had been. documented. And so we pulled everyone together. months later. uh at uh uh at the ranch and also hosted. a gathering in Salt Lake City uh in the.

spirit of collaboration. And even though. a lot of it was focused on just. discussing what had been reported and. experienced in the past on the property. We were discussing the future scientific. protocols and the investigation. And I. was very clear with everyone that I I. wanted to use scientific rigor and. discipline to carefully document the. phenomena and and ultimately understand.

the nature of what was happening. There. has been great disagreement. relative to the origin and the the. agenda associated with the phenomena. Not just at Skinwalker Ranch, but. globally there's a lot of uh divide, a. lot of different different opinions. There's some people who say that it's. all benevolent, that we're being visited. by beings from other world that are. benevolent beings and star people. And. there are others that say that there's a.

more insidious, a darker uh motive and agenda. They. point to the cattle mutilation. phenomena. I mean, you're talking over. 10,000 reported and documented cases. You can bet on the fact that there are. probably over a 100,000 that have been. unreported that have occurred. I mean, it's been called the greatest unsolved. crime spree in the country. Uh, and there's still no explanation. No.

one has been caught. still to this day. To this day, no one has been caught in. the act of, you know, conducting a. cattle mutilation. It's very mysterious. And of course, that's part of the. history. There have been a lot of. bizarre cattle mutilations that have. occurred on this property that are well. documented. Uh, Mr. Bigalow to his. credit uh brought in a veterinarian uh. brought in experts to consult and.

provide reports uh within the uh the. first several months of opening the. ranch up for a docuer effort. Of course, we had a a young calf, a 2-year-old. calf, perfectly healthy, die just south of Homestead 1. right. there near the fence line and. investigated that incident. Of course, we had multiple smartphones that were. malfunctioning, both an iPhone and a.

Samsung Galaxy device that were both. malfunctioning simultaneous with the. investigation and discovery of the cow. We had, you know, elevated uh gamma and. other readings that were that were. documented. And then, of course, an. object that was captured by the camera. surveillance going over right above that. cow right about the time that it died, uh, that it fell over. And uh I think.

one of the most intriguing parts of that. part of the investigation is the fact. that even when bringing out the Utah. State veterinarian, again, this is the veterinarian for the. state of Utah. with the Department of Agriculture who. comes out. over a year after. the cow died to inspect the site, to. inspect the carcass, finding no predator activity,

it had remained completely untouched. mysteriously on a piece of property. where nothing. nothing survives. Any any dead animal is. quickly dispatched by any number of. coyotes. Are you saying the cow had not. decomposed and it wasn't drugged off by. predators or anything? No predator or. scavenger activity had touched it. in a year. Over a year. Wow. The Utah.

State Veterinarian proceeded to order. tests, actually took samples. Those tests revealed that there was no. poisoning. There was nothing unusual. that they could point to that would. account for the absolute lack of. predator scavenger activity. And. to this day, it remains one of the the. most mysterious. incidents.

captured on camera and well documented. involving third party experts. that uh that remain baffled. Uh so it. we're dealing with. a very dynamic set of bizarre. circumstances that continue to be. documented in one location on the planet. which happens to be there at Skinwalker. Ranch. And it uh.

it really is the greatest science. project of our time. Let's let's go back into just a little. bit more of the history of it. So the. backstory. So this goes this goes way. previous to Robert Bigalow in 1996. The. Shermans owned it from 1994 to 1996. Only 2 years and sold it for $200,000. to Bigalow. What did they sell it. because of all the the activity that was.

happening? Yeah. Well, if you go back in time, the. property was originally homesteaded. I. mean, you had Native Americans that were. part of the the process, and you had old. early homesteaders that built the. structures on the property and resided. on the property going back to the the. late 1800s, early 1900s. Uh by the. 1940s, the Meyers family and. specifically Kenneth and Edith Meyers. uh.

proceeded to live there and ranch on the. property and stayed there their entire. lives. Uh both Kenneth and Edith ended. up passing away uh in the late 80s and. early 90s. Uh Kenneth passed away in the. late 80s and Edith uh ended up putting. being put in uh assisted care I believe. in the early 90s and and their. brother-in-law. who had legal authority over the estate. sold the property in 1994 to the Sherman.

family. who. desired a place to to you know raise. cattle and their family. Shortly after. the Shermans acquired the property, they. were overwhelmed with not only cattle. mutilation events that were occurring. with their prized cows, but also. poltergeist like activity and even UFO. sightings that were occurring on a on a.

pretty regular basis. They were being. terrorized. Word filtered out through the community. that the Shermans were experiencing this. and they were talking to their neighbors. and uh and calling people in. It caught the attention of a journalist. at the Desireette News, guy named Zack. Van Ike, who came out, was convinced. that they were credible, that they were. telling the truth, and you know, wrote a.

I think several articles. uh detailing the accounts of UFO. activity, bizarre cattle mutilations, and other stranges on the property. Those accounts made their way to one. Robert Bigalow in North Las Vegas. Mr. Bigalow had established the National. Institute for Discovery Science, a. separate side project and program for.

investigating strange phenomena, including UFOs and cattle mutilation. and he quickly flew in on his private. jet accompanied by Colonel John. Alexander. and cut a deal with the Shermans, acquired the property quickly, kept Mr. Sherman on for a short period of time to. help with the transition and his team of. scientists not only locked down the. whole property and secured it, but they. proceeded to put up observation towers.

with bait pens surrounded by razor wire. There are three observation towers. located across the property that uh that. incorporate bait pens where they would. use animals as bio sensors to to. hopefully draw out whatever. entities were were there on the. property. Uh predator-like activity as. as they described it. Um, and they.

proceeded to to launch a a rigorous. investigation at the time in 1996. that continued on for years. And of. course, years later, you know, the. events, the activity, the investigation. at Skinwalker Ranch was brought to the. attention of officials at the Pentagon. They had several visitors who had. experiences, very compelling uh. undeniable experiences of paranormal. activity. And uh that led to the the.

black budget Pentagon funded program. that involved the ranch at its center. and the rest is history, you know. But. by by 2013, that program had ceased for. various reasons. Mr. Bigalow was. actively engaged with growing his. aerospace company and and and jumping. into the private space race as we. discussed and the ranch to a degree had.

it had faded at the time. I was led to. believe that it was simply because Mr. Bigalow was just buried was very busy. with with. getting his his beam modules and his. space habitats up in orbit and. ultimately on the moon and Mars, which I. believe was true. But also, I've learned. he ascribed negative events afflicting. his family to really his ownership of.

the ranch. Really, uh, Mr. Bigalow. uh blamed the ranch for. dark disturbing events that happened in. their lives. And it's not my story to. tell. It's been told by others in the. media and advisers. But uh uh owning the. ranch was not a positive experience for. him. Even before him though, this went. back to Native American tribes. I mean,

even in in the show, Yeah. you know, I believe you, correct me if I'm wrong, are they. hydroglyphs? Is that what you call them? Petroglyphs. There's rock art. There's, you know, we have a a megalithic site. there. Uh uh as well that we've. investigated in the area, but there's a. lot of rock art and and evidence of of. the ancients of the the Native Americans. uh working on the property. There's also.

a strange Masonic symbol that is etched. into the the face of the mesa that many. have many have uh claimed. symbolizes as above so below. Uh there. are a lot of things relative to the. history that are intriguing. uh and a little bit ambiguous, but the. the Native American history, the. tradition, and the fact that the Navajo. tribe cursed this property as a result.

of. conflict with the U tribe and the. federal government is something that has. been confirmed over and. by by members of the community, by. elders. And the ridge that runs the. expanse of the property, that messa. plateau or that ridge has been referred. to as Skinwalker Ridge for a very long. time. In fact, when the Bigalow team.

first descended on the property. and set up their investigation and heard. the accounts of, you know, the curse, the Skinwalker curse, and the lore that. surrounded this property, it ultimately. was referred to as Skinwalker Ranch as. opposed to the Utah Ranch. You know, for. a period of time, it was just simply the. Utah Ranch or the Bigalow Ranch in Utah. and then took on the identity of. Skinwalker Ranch as as they just simply.

started referring to the property as. such as a result of the the Native. American. What is a skinw walker? A skinwalker is a shape-shifting demonic. entity. It's essentially a a Native. American witch or warlock that that. sells. their soul. in exchange for immortality, the ability. to take on the skin or shapeshift. often times in the form of a wolf, a.

dire wolf or awolf like creature, but. they can also take on the shape of other. animals as well. Uh, and. it's it's a topic that I found. the Native American community likes to. stay away from. They don't like to. discuss it. To even say the name. Skinwalker is um is negative. Um, and. uh, it's a key part of their cultural.

tradition and history. skinw walkers to. the Native Americans in the Uenta basin. are just as real as this this chair as. this bottle of diet Mountain Dew. It's a. it's it's a very real part of their. cultural. uh history. Okay. The last part of the history that. I want to talk about is we we spoke a. little bit last night about remote. viewing and some studies that that.

Stanford was doing and how does that tie. in. with Skinwalker Branch. I believe that consciousness plays a. role and consciousness studies will play. a role in understanding the nature of. what we are dealing with at Skinwalker. Ranch. I think the the uh the remote. viewing you know practice or phenomena I. believe has validity to it. Uh we've had. a number of gifted intuitives that have. consulted uh with our research. Uh we.

have uh avoided some of that uh with. respect to the docu the documentary. series uh as we're still gathering data. and some of it is inconclusive. A lot of. it is very controversial, but I think. that the nature of our consciousness and. and really the world around us has yet. to truly be understood. Do you want to talk about any of those. studies that haven't been released yet? No, I think we'll be addressing those in.

the future. Okay. Uh but I I would say that. a key part of what characterizes our. investigation and our research versus. you know decades past is the fact that. we've we've taken a very. um multidisciplinary. approach, a very transparent approach. with the community uh not only in. engaging the Native American community. and our neighbors in a positive way in.

order to gather data and understand what. is happening. You know, because we're. living in a very dynamic environment, we're we're under no illusion that the. phenomena is confined to the fence line. at Skinwalker Ranch. It it it permeates. and and goes out through the the entire. UN basin. Uh, one of the leading experts. that documented since 1950. UFO activity in great detail was a a a.

very respected teacher and electrician. named Joseph Junior Hicks. People refer. to him as Junior Hicks. He passed away a. few years ago in the middle of really. the the docue series being unveiled to. the public. He had spent 70 years. documenting UFO activity in the Uenta. Basin and all of the properties. surrounding Skinwalker Ranch. and his. files coupled with the NIDS, the Bigalow.

team files uh stand as a very compelling. documentary record of activity in the. Uenta basin uh and and the ranch in. general. But uh as as much as this. property seems to be the center of. gravity and is exhibiting the highest. frequency. of UFO activity and high stranges, it it.

covers the the Uenta basin. I people out. there have uh continued to have. experiences. Even the the oil and gas uh. industry has had um incidents occur. relative to you know their sites out. there and there are a lot of. professionals who have remained silent. have not wanted to go public that are. now finally reaching out to our team and. letting their stories be told. These are. firstirhand accounts.

of activity that correlates with what we. are seeing at Skinwalker Ranch. Wow. This and this just continues to. happen just more and more. Yeah. I I think momentum is building. I. mean, over the course of even this week, um, we revealed video taken of. potentially what what could be the first. clear evidence of transmedium. UAP or trans medium, you know, unidentified aerial phenomena that was.

caught, captured coming down from the. sky, dropping into the east field. portion of the ranch and then exiting. right below the helicopter, caught on. GoPro camera exiting the mesa. Uh. there's there are countless events that. have been documented all involving. uh an army of third party professionals, experts working in service to.

documenting and understanding the nature. of what we are dealing with. I mean see you got it in 2016. This started all this it started. happening. What? I believe he said 6. months after after the transaction. I personally had my encounter had my UFO. experience with multiple witnesses 6. months after acquiring the property and. we've progressed significantly since. that time in terms of not only the the.

scientific platforms. but also the the the amount of experts. engaged. I mean, we've recently brought. on as strategic partners Omnitech, led. by CEO Jim Royston, who is the former. executive director of the International. Space Station National Lab. Uh his. partner and co-founder is retired. fourstar general Lance Lord, former head. of US Space Command. Um their team.

includes some of the most credentialed. experts when it comes to sensor. technology. and data collection in a host of. environments globally. I mean, these are. platforms that have been deployed on the. battlefield. in in a diversity of climates and. environments that are now being brought. to bear at Skinwalker Ranch and being. deployed in service to understanding the. nature of what we're what we're doing. I.

don't know that that has really sunk in. with everyone. I mean, it's not just the. fact that we brought the largest drone. operating company in the country with. Sky Elements to the table with over 200. drones for the drone experiment that. resulted in what? Rapid battery. depletion, GPS anomalies, all sorts of strange, never-before. experienced malfunctions, and then a. UFO.

I think a lot of people forget. that a UFO ended up dropping out of the. sky and appearing above 40. professionals. Yeah. Simultaneous. with all of the drones malfunctioning. And then that UFO went back up into the. sky and disappeared. Didn't exit, you know, was no longer seen. It was. clear as day to everyone present. You.

tell me how hard would it be to get over. 40 people. to go on record. with witnessing a UFO. simultaneous. with documenting rapid battery. depletion, GPS anomalies, and a host of other. stranges. It's it's in my view it's undeniable. I.

have a hard time understanding how. people. are. skeptical when there is so much data. They're just they're not looking into. it. They're not looking into it. That's. the only way after after some of the. things that you guys have documented and. and just plain as day. It's they're. it's just Yeah. But. going back a little bit, so after after.

your experience, you immediately started. putting together more of the team. You. had Eric Bard. Sounded like you had. Eric Bard. Yeah. Principal investigator. Jim Morse, who by the way was my first. big developer client when I was 18 years. old. Oh, really? Jim was developing the towers at. Southtown. multiple class A office. towers, a hotel, restaurants, uh, right in the middle of the Salt Lake. suburban market. And at 18, I was.

fortunate to have the opportunity to. work on his projects. And when I got. home from my mission at age 21, picked. right back up where we left off, and Jim. hired me to essentially continue the the. final phases of that project. Um, one. thing about Jim that I learned in being. his broker and his adviser was his love. for the Native American community and.

his commitment to raise millions of. dollars for scholarships and aid. for the tribes is is something that I. grew to really respect over the years, decades before acquiring ing Skinwalker. Ranch or or having any idea that we. would come together under these. circumstances. When I flew out to see the ranch for the. first time, having Jim as an adviser and.

appointing him as ranch manager. seemed like a natural fit due to his. strong relationships and respect for the. tribes, for the Native American people. So you have Jim Morris, Thomas Winterton who we engaged who is a. respected contractor, entrepreneur out. in the basin. U hotel owner at the time. Uh Eric Bard, principal investigator,

plasma physicist with patents to his. name. Uh and incredible credentials. Uh. Dragon, you know, Brian Arnold, my head. of security. Caleb Bench, who is a. retired Marine, uh also uh part-time with the uh with. law enforcement with the the county. sheriff's department out there that is. has been given the latitude to work with. us uh when he's not engaged with uh with.

his law enforcement activities. Um, we. have a a credentialed anthropologist, in. fact, a published anthropologist in. Candace Lindy who uh is our ranch. caretaker along with Tom Lewis uh. technologists that uh reside there. full-time and then a host of other. experts and professionals that have. collaborated with us. Yeah. Everyone. from, you know, LAR photoggramometry. technicians, instrumented balloon and.

rocket professionals, uh, to ground penetrating radar and even. environmental consultants in testing the. property to help us understand whether. we're dealing with something that still. could be naturally impacted or affected. How did Dr. Travis Taylor come on scene? You know, when it was funny, Travis. Taylor was recommended by the History. Channel, okay, as a as a credentialed physicist that.

could come in and ask the hard questions. and drive the team. Let me take you back in time. following my own UFO experience in. October 2016. and the. months following. We ramped up the. investigation aggressively with our. team. We started consulting with other.

adviserss, even staying in touch with. the former scientists that had worked on. the the program in order to inform them. what we were seeing and ask for any. insight that they could render. By 2018, the command center had been taking. documentation, had been, you know, utilized with all of the camera. surveillance,

this the the sensors that we had in. place, the the Flleare camera system. that we have deployed. uh to to monitor changes in the. environment that are potentially. unusual. And then one day I received a call from. Washington DC. Uh this is when my identity was still. confidential secret as owner. So I was surprised to receive the call. and the the call was to to come to.

Washington to provide a briefing an. update relative to my ownership and. stewardship in followup to the. activities of the previous owner. We flew out to DC and um were we're were. happy to provide a briefing and update. them on the reality of what was. happening at the ranch. again UFO. activity, acute medical episodes,

especially multiple acute medical. episodes that had occurred along with. those reports, the the electromagnetic anomalies that. had been carefully documented. and some of the other stranges. that defied any conventional. explanation. About that time, I was also receiving. calls through Jim Morris and Thomas. Winterton from producers of the History. Channel wanting to meet with the owner.

to discuss a docue series, the ability. to come in and document. the events occurring on this this piece. of property. Word was starting to get. out that uh that there was an ongoing. investigation. There were photos that uh were leaked. online that showed that there was a. security presence there and that there. was a very sophisticated effort and uh. producers of the History Channel were. hellbent on getting an audience with.

whoever this mysterious owner was in. order to pitch the opportunity to have a. docuer effort that would record and. document what was happening on a. day-to-day basis. They reached out for over a year. So for. over a year on a weekly basis, I was. beingounded by my people to at least. consider potentially responding to the. phone calls. And after a year, I.

reluctantly agreed to the meeting. subject to a confidentiality agreement. being signed by everyone. Producers flew in. We had a discussion. And I said number. one condition. If I were to if I were to. consider this number one, it has to be true. Nothing can be faked, manipulated, or contrived. I have no. interest in being part of some ghost. hunters type effort with a bunch of guys.

tripping over themselves in the dark. with night vision. This has to be true. and I have to have. final cut on everything if we were to do. anything. Number two, you have to use my team. We're not. having any Hollywood casting call. We're. not bringing in individuals from the. outside that could potentially. compromise the integrity of the. scientific investigation that I've been. privately funding to the tune of. millions of dollars.

up until that point. And number three. was that my identity needed to remain. confidential. I had no interest in being. on television. I didn't want my name. associated with it. Again, even my. family at the time had no idea that I. owned the ranch along with business. partners and others. Why Why were you. so hellbent on being on everything being. confidential? I did not want my. ownership of this property or the topics. associated with Skinwalker Ranch to in.

any way divert from or compromise or. undermine my professional. endeavors. my commercial real estate. practice and other entrepreneurial. activity as chairman of the largest. commercial real estate enterprise in the. inner mountain west representing Fortune. 500 companies and and working closely. with the governor's office and other. agencies. I I did not want.

this project with Skinwalker Ranch to in. any way. uh detract from the decades of work. to. to serve clients and to to transform the. skylines of our communities. I I felt a. great responsibility to my clients and I. didn't I didn't know if it would be um. taken well by my clients. Uh I didn't. know how people would react and I had no. interest. I didn't want any attention.

and uh wanted to fiercely protect the uh. the professional side of my life and. didn't want these two worlds to collide. Well, it was funny. the uh the gentleman. I met with at the time, Kevin Burns, who. was the president of Prometheus. Entertainment, who was kind of the the. number one production company for. History Channel at the time. I mean, of. course, he's the creator of Ancient. Aliens, The Curse of Oak Island, Beyond.

Oak Island, The Unexplained with William. Shatner. You know, it launched a series. on Netflix, Lost in Space, big budget. sci-fi epic. Um he's a genius. He's a. very talented producer. looked at me and he said, "Look, you. talk about integrity. You want the truth. to get out there. You're an experiencer, yet you aren't willing to put your name. behind this. How are people going to. believe.

the truth? How are they going to believe. the authenticity. and genuine nature of what you're doing. if you yourself aren't willing to go. public. as part of this effort? And he had a point. Uh. he essentially Jedi mind tricked me into. agreeing to go public. I told him, I. said, "You know, this is going to turn.

my world upside down.". You understand? That's a hell of a gamble on your part. Yeah. It And it's a greater liability. No one understands what a liability this. is. I have yet to take a penny. personally relative to these efforts. I've never opened a bank account for. Adamantium Real Estate for the entity. that controls the ranch. I have. purposely donated assigned any proceeds. that would be due to me to to other. causes, you know, from scholarships, you.

know, to cancer research. I have no. interest in taking a penny relative to. this endeavor. All profit coming to you from this show. goes to charity. Yeah, that's amazing. Charity and other efforts. I mean, we. have used some uh funds in order to help. bolster the infrastructure that have. gone to to vendors, but no no money, not. one penny has made its way into my. pocket personally by design. That's.

incredible. And I. I I. want the truth more than anyone, and I'm. willing to put my money and obviously my. reputation. where my mouth is. uh this really is a greater liability to. me than an asset. And uh I'm hellbent on. getting the truth. As I stated earlier, I'm not I'm not a believer. I'm an.

experiencer. I can't unsee that which I. have witnessed with multiple witnesses. at my side and have continued to. document over the last seven years. What we are seeing at Skinwalker Ranch. is real and it has the ability to. completely change. the way we look at the world, our place. in the universe. and and how how we view reality.

Back to DC, they called you in for some. type of a briefing. How how receptive. were they? Very. They're very receptive, very. respectful. Uh we proceeded the briefing. with with me, you know, preparing with. the team with Eric Bard and uh at the. time Dr. Jim Sagala who uh was was. participating in in the the um the first. year of our docue series and and and.

another senior adviser. uh you know, we proceeded to present a a. a full keynote PowerPoint presentation. and. it was very. it was very evident that those. individuals who who held high levels of. position. of seniority. uh were respectful and took this.

seriously and had knowledge that these. things are real. Who who who exactly were you briefing? Was it the Senate Intelligence Committee. or. Yeah. Okay. And uh. it it was uh. it was it was a good opportunity for me. to demonstrate. how serious I took my stewardship of the. property. and.

the fact that we are using scientific. discipline and rigor. in order to address these topics and the. phenomena at the ranch. match. I I tell. people all the time, I use the word. steward. I really believe that this is a. stewardship, not just an ownership. And. having a collaborative partnership. with people who can bring skills and. resources to the table to better.

understand what is happening is is a. key, you know, hallmark of our. investigation. Has the has the. intelligence committee at the Senate. offered any funding or any assistance or. I haven't asked for I don't have any. interest. I have. I have no interest. in. asking for money engaging the. government. I've never held a security. clearance.

Okay. I don't have any interest in u in that. type of formal engagement. I am. interested in being transparent and. collaborative with with anyone including. the the general public. I mean the docue. series is my effort to disclose to the. public the reality of our investigation. as it unfolds. And and that is perhaps one of the most. exciting parts of this effort, this. endeavor that I I would have never. anticipated is the opportunity to allow.

the public. a view behind the scenes as as the. investigation progresses. Uh, show me another effort on the planet. where there's a 24-hour live stream for. the public to access, where there is. more collaboration and more open. disclosure and presentation of events of. data and activity. I don't I don't.

believe there has ever been an effort. like this. I don't either. when when the. so History Channel got a hold of you, you guys made the negotiation and and. and the docu series started. Travis Taylor got introduced. Yeah. So, uh. you had placed every member on that. team, correct? You had you had. until that time until until the docue. series effort and the History Channel,

they didn't require it. They suggested. it. They we'd like to suggest bringing. in one person, a a physicist, a. credentialed physicist who is a skeptic. who will challenge the team. And I wasn't. excited. The team had no interest in. bringing in another member of the. family. I mean, they didn't want to. bring someone in to to to. potentially ruin the dynamic that that. we had created. But we flew everyone out.

to Los Angeles to meet with Dr. Taylor. and uh and production. And I was pleasantly surprised at how. qualified Dr. Taylor. I mean, he has two. PhDs. in physics. He has multiple master's. degrees. He's a published author. He's. worked with NASA, with Army. Intelligence. He's worked on classified programs. Uh, I was impressed with his credentials.

Anyone who looks at his at his profile. at his credentials and scoffs, they're. they're they're being disingenuous. He it came out later on the docue series. that he was on the UAP UFO task force. for the Pentagon, right? Well, which flew under the radar for you and. the rest of your team. It was shocking and and it it frankly. pissed off several members of my team. They felt betrayed to a degree for a. while. The fact that Dr. Taylor had. taken a position as the chief scientist.

for the UAP task force at the Pentagon. and had not disclosed to the team what. was going on and that he was working in. that capacity was a it was a significant. concern. We had to talk through that and. Dr. Taylor, who was called on the. carpet, I mean, to to essentially. account for, you know, the situation, said that, look, a after after it became. known that he was consulting with. Skinwalker Ranch, he was part of our effort,

you know, a a senior official with the. Pentagon reached out to him and asked. him to engage, but made him do so under. certain confidentiality and. non-disclosure agreements. I mean, he. was under oath to to not disclose the. nature or his involvement with the UAP. task force, and I have to respect the. fact that he kept that. confidence. How did that make you feel?

Even let's just take Travis out of the. equation. You had already gone to DC. You'd briefed the Senate Intelligence. Committee and now they have an asset. unannounced to you working at your. property. Yeah. That you're funding the experience. experiments on. And how long that went. on for what 2 3 years? Three years. Yeah. 3 years. You didn't know. And then it. gets disclosed. Yeah. How did that and all and and in.

and and by the way. it was mind-blowing. There's also all this surveillance going. on with with what 1.6 gigahertz I. believe and you have the planes flying. um. obvious very obvious surveillance. patterns over the ranch. You have. Blackhawks. You have Chinooks flying. around all the time. Covert military surveillance seems to be. a constant. And so, how did that make. you feel knowing that you had an asset.

of the US government involved in in your. investigation? Uh, mixed. mixed feelings at the time. Um, I I. respected the fact that Travis did keep. it confidential. The fact that he didn't. pull anyone aside and whisper to them. what he was doing speaks to his. integrity. And I think that's important. That's important. No matter h how it. looks, the reality is he kept his oaths. He did not violate his NDAs even when he.

was probably under a lot of pressure. feeling like he probably should and I'm. sure he desperately wanted to disclose. it. Um, so I I have to respect his. integrity. I also have to point out that Travis. Taylor is not the principal. investigator. The chief scientist at. Skinwalker Ranch. going on seven years is Eric Bard. Eric.

Bard is the one who lives at Skinwalker. Ranch, who lives in the command center. full-time, has structured the platforms, is conducting the scientific. investigation and leading it. Dr. Taylor, while an important member of the. team, and someone that I respect, actually love Dr. Taylor. I think he's. he's been an incredible. uh influence and asset to us.

He's he's a consulting physicist and. he's there to aid the team, but he's not. manipulating the investigation. I can. say with absolute certainty he has not. manipulated the data, the science or. anything else relative to the ranch. I. mean, he's he's been a very supportive. participant. and uh physicist that has been a uh a. great complimentary. fit with Eric and the team. Wasn't.

always that way. We had a a few months. at the very beginning that were a little. rocky as everyone was kind of trying to. find their footing. You know, Dragon, for example, had took issue with uh with. feeling marginalized and and felt talked. down to at times by Dr. Taylor and and. other scientists. And you know, there. there's always a period of time when. people are trying to build relationships.

of trust with each other and you know, starting this effort was no different. But yeah, I I I have not been as. concerned. with what transpired simply because I I. respect the fact that Dr. Taylor didn't. breach any of his his oaths or NDAs and. he hasn't been the one uh directing the. science investigation. He's been a great. compliment and supporter. Oh, good.

There's. right off the bat and at the at the very. beginning of the docu series, there was. there was a the number one rule seemed. to have been no digging, right? No going below the ground. What prompted that? Uh that had been. told. We were. we were told that digging on the. property resulted in negative negative. outcomes that people would be harmed.

That anytime the earth was disturbed, bad things happened and. taking into account the health and. safety of those involved. and the fact that this is a this is a. televised effort. This is an effort. being documented by dozens of. professionals, arguably the leading documentary. professionals. in the country. I felt it was wise to be.

cautious. I gave Dragon specific. direction to limit any digging activity, anything that would disturb the earth. that may stimulate negative response. that would result in injury or harm. And. it was a it really was a fear. It still. is. We still have incidents that have. occurred in tandem with. experimental activity with disturbing.

the earth. I mean, we had, you know, Tom. Lewis who, you know, last year ended up. in the hospital in the emergency room. with a cardiac e episode that that. occurred immediately simultaneous with. digging activity into the base of the. mesa. Was that a coincidence? I don't think. so. I There was, you know, the 1.6 6 GHz. that the frequency showed up. There w. there was equipment malfunction that was.

captured on camera and then. unfortunately. Tom Lewis is is recorded going down on. his knees. with. with a cardiac arrest has to be run to. the hospital by Dragon and he's still. being monitored and thankfully he's. almost back to 100%. But it was really concerning. We've had a number of incidents where. people have ended up in the hospital.

with mysterious illnesses and injuries. and a lot of those occasions seem to be. attended by digging activity with with. aggressive activity on the ranch. Um, have I loosened that up since the first. season from those first months? Yes. I. mean, I when my team tells me, "Let us. dig." When I have Thomas Winterton who. spent a week in the hospital fighting. for his life as a result of injuries.

that he believes and the doctors believe. are connected. to his activity on the ranch. When. Thomas Winterton is hellbent on digging. deeper both figuratively and literally. to find out what is happening the. mechanism behind this strange activity. at the ranch. I I have to defer to them. I I have to give them the latitude. to get to the bottom of the truth and. take more aggressive measures to to. hopefully get some answers. And so we've.

relaxed it. We've added more safety. precautions since. But uh the no digging rule and uh the. mandate that I gave years ago has uh has. been relaxed. But it's been as a result. of. both pressure and also respect. respectful requests from the team to be. able to do their work.

There's there's so many aspects of this. ranch that I want to cover. It's it's. hard it's hard to organize it all into. one thing. So, I'm just going to stick. with the digging. But you know, you you. guys are finding a. some type of a metal substance within. the mesa, right? You've seen UAPs fly. into above the mesa, hover above the. mea, fly into the mesa, fly out of the. mesa.

Are you going to excavate that site? We're working on that. Uh. the mesa is a very unstable. environment. The rocks very unstable. Those boulders at the base that you see. Mhm. came from the top. Oh good. Um, every time that we dig, that we conduct. any type of excavation or exploratory. activity.

and disturb the earth, it's it's very dangerous. We see. material come down. Um, it's it's a it's. a dangerous environment. We also don't. want to damage the very. technology or artifact or whatever may. be buried in the mesa that is unnatural. that may be connected to the strange. activity.

um the the the metallic substance that. was recovered through the biopsy through. the the drilling exercises that was. analyzed by the University of Utah and. shown to be you know not naturally. occurring and according to Dr. Taylor. and others to be matching the. composition of of, you know, the same. material that would cover the space the. space shuttle that would shield that. would shield a a craft uh at entry, you.

know, from extreme heat. You that type. of material that has been extracted from. the mesa. is real. It's somehow it accompanies. something else. I mean, I believe that. it's it's just the tip of the iceberg of. what may lie beneath and we don't want. to damage the very thing that may hold. the key to getting the answers. Uh so. we're we're having to conduct a very. careful biopsy.

and probing effort in the mesa. due to both the the health and safety. concerns of the instability of the. environment coming down on us literally. in the middle of it and also the fact. that we don't want to damage the the. very object or the material that may lie. within. It's like imagine if there's a. Stargate to to use a science a science. fiction example. If there is a if. there's a million-year-old Stargate.

that has some type of advanced. technology that is involved with the UAP. activity and the other stranges that. seems to be triggered with high. frequency in the area and that is. somehow it's buried in that mace or. there's a base. We don't want to. we don't want to damage we don't want to. blow up. the very technology or the very device. that that may hold the key to to.

understanding the nature of what we're. dealing with. Yeah, I I completely understand. I mean, it seems it seems indestructible when I. saw that drill go in there and it just I. mean just got a little bit of substance. and it stopped the drill. I mean, what. how do you sleep at night? What do you. think is what do you think is. there? I I don't sleep at night. I. hardly get any sleep. I uh I'm I'm. hellbent on getting the answers. Like. I've said, I want the answers more than.

anyone. I'm putting my money and my. reputation where my mouth is. And I want. to come in aggressively and and and get. to the bottom of it, but I don't want to. to be so aggressive. that we end up damaging. Mhm. the very thing that we're trying to. unearth or we end up or or end up with. people more people hurt unnecessarily. What are the offline conversations. about between you and your team on. what's under there? Uh,

what does Eric Bard think of it? You know, Eric reserves judgment. You'll. notice Eric Eric is not quick to make. any claims. Eric is very reserved and methodical. Um. members of the team have have theorized. that there there's a spacecraft that. there must be a a spacecraft. in the in the mesa that there may be a. dome like that there may actually be. some type of of object of of uh.

mysterious. um unnatural origin that is that is. buried there 400 ft into the uh the. mesa. I mean there are those who believe. that there may be something um could be. a meteorite that landed there who knows. millions of years ago. uh that uh that that contains. you know interesting.

composition that I I there are so many. different theories relative to what lies. in the mesa. Have there been any. discussions on what that excavation site. might look like? Would it be like an. archaeological dig? Yeah, ultimately I. mean you have to treat it as an. archaeological dig, but you first have. to probe and and have to excavate. sufficient to to make access without. damaging the environment. So what what. you're going to see unfold over the.

course of the next few months, the next. year, I think is a is an unprecedented. effort to to more aggressively address. the mesa and what lies beneath. uh as. the the the old Masonic symbol etched. into the cliff uh of the mesa denotes as. above so below. We may find the answers. to what we're seeing above. in the sky right there under our noses.

below the mesa, but we want to be very. careful and responsible in how we how we. explore that area. I can't wait to see that. So, it's a great mystery and we're not. trying to tease. I'm not we're not. trying to tease. We're not trying to. hold back. And we're certainly. uh not meaning to to delay. I mean, time. is of the essence. Uh I. I'm I'm. the type of person that lives in a world.

where execution is everything. where you know accomplishing you know. the the end goal is is is something that. drives you know every discussion and I I. I want to move as swift as swiftly as we. can. We do have weather issues out. there. I mean, it is a it's a. challenging environment during the. winter when we have moisture. It is almost impossible.

to go back and forth across that ranch. This last winter we had record snow, record low temperatures, record. moisture. The the mosquitoes are. outrageous right now. I mean, the the. guys are attacked all day, every day by. mosqu hordes of mosquitoes because of. the the moisture and um just the. environment this last year. And so we're. we're working quickly during really the. the dry months to be able to to conduct.

the investigation as aggressively as. possible. Notwithstanding the fact that. this is a year round effort. I mean, it. doesn't cease when when the snow flies. It just it just takes on a a little. different cadence. Okay. Well, let's take a quick break and. when we come back, we'll talk about the. uh wormhole, portal, black hole. Bring it on. Whatever we want to call it. You got it. Perfect.

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right, Brandon, we're back from the. break. I want to get into the to the. triangle section of Skinwalker Ranch. where there they say is a possible. wormhole or black hole or portal or. what do you think it is? I don't know. Um, the honest answer, I'm. not sure exactly what it is other than. there is obviously an anomaly. There is.

something in that area in that region. and in that airspace. that causes GPS to malfunction. I mean, when you say GPS malfunctions, you're. talking. the GPS is telling you you are in one. location, but you're actually in a in a. it's not even close. or it just completely malfunctions and. does not operate. Think about it. We've had instrumented.

balloon, helicopter, airplane, and advanced rocketry experiments with. sensors along with drones, sophisticated drones that have all. malfunctioned. above the triangle in that region of the. property. Luna, who is a you know a a defense.

contractor has a very sophisticated. platform in in looking at that area even. saw anomalies in that region of the. triangle in the mesa. Um there have been. instances where time has been. manipulated where we've seen um you know. the. the time itself there's been a shift. by a quarter a second where. the data.

ends up being altered or manipulated. to to a degree that is not easily. explainable. I mean, it's it is baffling. to all of the experts. Everyone who. comes out to the property and sees sees. what unfolds ends up scratching their. heads. And and and to have. the best LAR. photogometry. and other experts. that continuously see these strange.

things occur and occur somewhat. simultaneous with UFO or UAP activity as. well. I mean, we had we had a a. situation above the triangle where we. were launching rockets. of course, one. of numerous occasions and uh a prominent. UAP unidentified aerial phenomena ends. up uh appearing and then what happens. within minutes following. the Blackhawk helicopter.

comes right over the mea, descends over. the property and just hovers. right over the Southfield. This isn't above the men. This is right. there, low hover above the field south. of Homestead 1 and the command center. This is late night, unmarked, not transponding,

and as the men would describe it, I. mean, it was a menacing. presence on that property immediately. following. a UFO sighting. For whatever reason, that region of the. property, that region of the triangle, which is not far away from where I saw. the UFO, the 40 to 50 foot long gray. silverish disc appear and maneuver in.

extraordinary ways. Seems to be a a hot spot. seems to be a. center of gravity for activity within a. an expanse of property that is hosting a. diversity of incidents and activities. So I that's what I think drives a lot of. our investigation and a lot of the. experimental activity is it's the data.

that we continue to gather from the. triangle from the homesteads from the. mesa that is driving us forward. How. would you. So, there's there's been there's been a. number of events that have happened uh. through your guys' experiments within. the triangle, and it sounds like the. triangle well, it's an actual triangle. on the ground, and then and then it it's. it's it seems to be some type of an.

invisible. force field, maybe you would call it. No, that region of the property. I mean, you you see kind of this triangular. um formation or really the triangular. roadway system that kind of. comes together at that point. Uh but it. it does seem to be a focal point there. along the Mesa Plateau and it is a.

central point as as you look at the. ranch relative to the you know where the. the command center and the home and. homestead one is in relation to the. homesteads out on the out on the far. west side of the property. um. the anomaly that we've seen, the people. call it the blob, but this this thing. that they've caught on camera, and it's.

not just from one point of view. It's. been from multiple camera points of view. and different types of recording. devices, different types of cameras that. have recorded this. this thing, this this anomaly as Travis. as Dr. Taylor would call it appears to. to disrupt the experimental activities. that occur. Um, it deflects. We've seen.

we've seen rockets. deflected. I mean in that area we saw I. mean we launched balloons and you. probably remember um early in the docu. series effort we had a professor from. the university uh Alabama at Huntsville. that came out who is who is an expert uh. instrumented balloon. experimentalist and operator. um. and he. we never recovered the primary balloon.

the primary balloon they set up right. above the triangle. It literally. disappeared. And it disappeared right at. the moment that it started registering. elevated activity. When the the meter. started going off, all of a sudden, it. disappeared. And it has never been. recovered. And we've searched, I mean, we've conducted exhaustive searches of. the area, looked at all of the. surrounding property, you know, via the. helicopter, even on the ground, and have.

never found a trace of where that where. that that balloon could have ended up. And. well, I didn't I didn't real I didn't. realize that you guys never found it. It. seems to be that. it just disappeared. from 31 ft to what 300 ft seems to be. the. Yeah. And it's but it's transient. Uh. it's not constant. I mean it comes and. goes. There's something. very unpredictable in some respects. Uh. but the fact that we've had even lasers.

bend. You probably remember when they. were conducting the the experiments and. actually had. a laser pointed up and the laser was. documented as bending as as essentially. uh being deflected off a space. to to this day. Those who were who who. have looked at that footage, looked at that data, remain just baffled.

by what they've recorded. Even the again the UFO sightings that. have occurred above the triangle in. tandem with some of these experimental. activities not only continue, but. they've been they've been prominent. Um, yeah. I I I think it's it's not lost on. anyone that the the the. object that was seen coming out of the. base of the mesa that um large orb or.

whatever unidentified aerial phenomena. that exited the mesa was not far from. that region. I mean, it all is. essentially interconnected. Yeah. Um, so I it it's an interesting. center of gravity for a lot of the. phenomena and that's why we continue to. launch rockets and experiments even. focus the helicopter and other craft in. that area with the instrumentation and. we'll see what we are able to ultimately.

uncover. I think taking all of that data. cumulatively and and having that. essentially paint a picture or or pull. together this grand tapestry that we can. then step back from and look at, you. know, the patterns. You know, one of the. things we brought Omnitech on for is is. their artificial intelligence and. machine learning capabilities. I mean, they have AI and ML patterns or AI and. ML platforms that will be able to better.

identify potential patterns that are. occurring that'll help us, I think, weed. out, I think, you know, separate the. signal from the noise, separate that. which may be a a a foreign adversary or. or even a, you know, some naturally. caused phenomena from something that is. truly unusual. You know, the the. so many things have happened above the.

triangle and the I think the the first. thing that I saw that really that got me. was I believe it was your brother was. flying the helicopter over it and I. can't remember what altitude he was at. but it said his altimeter said he I. believe it was 40 ft. He was several hundred ft. Yeah. Well, it said it essentially was. bouncing. The radar altimeter was. identifying something 40 to 50 ft below. the helicopter when he's thousands of.

feet up in the air when he's 5,000 ft. above the triangle. And it was tracking with the helicopter. And a lot of people have tried to either. debunk or try to explain what was. documented during that exercise. There. really is no there is no satisfactory. explanation for it. I mean, we've. consulted with the manufacturer. I mean, he's called his resources. My my. brother, he has more he has over 9,000. hours of uh flight time. Is one of the.

most seasoned uh aviators in the region. and he knows this equipment inside out. I mean he consults with the experts. relative to how it operates and what he. should expect and what is you know. what is to to to to really. what could be involved and there's. really no explanation exactly for what. what what occurred there and it's it's.

disturbing it well after that flight. Cameron was really hesitant as to. whether he wanted to come back on the. property again. really because just the danger. associated with you know the the. instruments with the fact that there's. something up in the air tracking with. the helicopter. that is unseen. Well, and we saw, you. know, most recently, you know, the. high-speed camera operator captured a.

big silver looked like a metallic. object, but some type of silver. spherical object that was tracking. behind the helicopter with one of the. more recent exercises being conducted. And a lot of people say, "Oh, well, you. know, they were applying a filter. because there was a filter applied in. order to to bring out some of the. features of that a little bit more. prominently." But it it doesn't negate. the fact that it was there. I mean, I've. seen unfiltered, you know, footage of that. And there's.

definitely an object. There's a round. spherical object that is tracking with. the helicopter. during that exercise. And there's this. is not a drone. This isn't something. that we can we can assign some either. natural cause to or point to some known. technology. It's it seems it seems very. unusual. The other thing that really caught my. attention probably more than. probably more than anything is the GPS.

trackers that um that they were dropping. out of the helicopter, right, with the streamers. And it seemed to be. almost bouncing off an invisible object. Like they would fall like this and just. Yeah. bounce off of nothing. Yeah. End. up in a completely different region of. the the ranch. Yeah. And they're they're. being deflected off of something. And. that that speaks to the fact that we.

believe that there is some anomaly. There is some there is some irregular. whether it be an object or field or. something something that we truly can't. explain but is real that has a tangible. impact on the experiments. uh whether it be the rockets whether it. be you know the the sensors the GPS the. the bottle drop experiment for example. the flamethrower.

yeah the flamethrower that around. nothing. It It the flame turned into a horseshoe. Went around nothing. Yeah. I mean, it's the rockets, the laser. beams, the LAR. Yeah. How do you explain that? The helicopter being pushed around. Yeah. The plane. I mean, it's it's. the drones. The drone was 250 drones you. guys lifted up. Yeah. Over 200 drones fully charged,

carefully calibrated. with over 20 experts from Sky Elements. who conduct more of these drone. exercises across the country than any. other company. I mean, they are the. experts. They are the gold standard. Left completely baffled. And they've they went on record with the. fact that they've never seen anything. like this occur. that the their.

equipment completely malfunctioned in. the area of the triangle and on the. ranch. Um, we're going to be bringing. them back. What do you do when you're. conducting a scientific investigation? When you're trying to follow the. scientific method, you repeat. You. repeat the experiment. You gather more. data. We're trying in in service to. coming to some conclusion or drawing a. more I I think a more accurate. uh hypothesis. We're trying to gather. more data and repeat these experiments.

to see if we we observe similar. phenomena or or. other anomalies that occur. and we're active with that. You at first. I was hesitant to deploy the helicopter. You have a very expensive piece of. equipment. I have my brother who I love. I don't want him in harm's way, you. know, but he he's become much like. Thomas Winterton who when faced with.

danger, when faced with the risks and. even having a personal. um personal set of experiences dealing. with this, instead of running away or. deciding to sit this one out, he's. saying, "Bring it on." He's saying, you. know, this is this is discovery. This is. frontier science discovery. Only only. the bold. end up being able to to really pierce.

through and to realize extraordinary. results. I said earlier in our. interview, I mean, in order to get. extraordinary results, you have to put. forth extraordinary effort. I was using. that as a business reference that it. takes sacrifice. to get results. And. this ranch investigation is no. different. I think we're all. sacrificing. We're all. locking arms.

and trying. to determine the nature of what is. happening. It isn't a function of proving that. there's something happening that's. already done. It's it's being able to. identify the origin and the identity. associated with the phenomena that. drives me. And I think you can expect to. see in the future hopefully some. communication. I think whatever we're. dealing with is highly intelligent. I. will not be surprised if at some point.

we are able to somehow determine how to. communicate or at least um see I think. more intelligent interaction. So you think this what do what do you. call this? Well, those who came before. me with the Bigalow team called it a. precognitive non what do they there's a. term they call they refer to the. phenomena at Skinwalker Ranch as a.

precognitive sentient nonhuman. intelligence. So, so. there's. there's an intelligence. based on the data. There is an. intelligence operating on that ranch. that has command over space, time, over consciousness. Can manipulate closed systems.

in a split second without leaving a. trace. and. I believe has the ability to communicate. if we can understand or develop a common. language at some point to be able to. interact. Eric Bard. in particular. has had communication. with at least one of these entities. involved with manipulating the systems.

that has command over the technology and. the platforms. and has expounded on that a little bit. Um. he'll be I think addressing that a bit. more in the future. We're going to be. discussing it on the docue series. uh this next year. But he's definitely seen and and. documented evidence that we're dealing.

with an intelligence that does have. the desire to communicate. What can you. go into the communication a little bit. more? Yeah. I mean in in his case. uh when he asked out of frustration. for a sign when he commanded. the when when the systems were being. manipulated and he was dealing with. security violations that were occurring. repeatedly with our with our.

surveillance cameras. He. he literally asked verbally out loud, "If you have something to show me, show. me. If you have something to tell me, tell me." And in that instant, the. screen morphed, melted, and digitally. composed letters. He had the presence of mind just as he.

did. in October 2016. to screen capture what was happening. with his iPhone. Thank heavens. He. proceeded to record and screen capture. in real time what was happening with the. uh the equipment. And what was revealed. was what I believe to be compelling. evidence that we're we're dealing with. with an intelligence that is at least. willing to acknowledge. and wants their presence known.

Were you able to translate it into. anything? Yeah, it's you'll it'll be. shown on television, but uh but it's it. it essentially had had the simple. response again instantaneously. of I living. You're [ __ ] me. So, Eric Bard in. response to a host. of.

issues. with the security with the security. cameras registering that there was. something triggering the motion sensors. that there were countless events. occurring. Upon giving that command saw the entire. screen morph and form the letters I. living and then snap back.

All documented all called on all caught. on camera. That has yet to be fully. addressed on the docue series but is. going to be addressed in the future. And. it's really his story to tell but I if. he were here he'd be telling you the. same story. It it was compelling evidence that we're. dealing with a an intelligence. on the ranch that has the ability to. manipulate.

technology and systems. instantaneously. and um and has the ability to. communicate and is has intention. There's valition. Wow. That is uh that is uh. it's spooky. It is. You know, when you see the image, it's. spooky. Can we display the image or do we need. to wait for for the next season? Um no, I I think I'll give you the. image. You can show it and it but I.

think that the greater story and the. more the context and all the. circumstances will be unfolded and and. the related documentation. But I'd be. happy to share it. In fact, if you want. to show it on the screen right now, I. would love to. You're welcome to put it up. But it is a. it is a compelling image and evidence of. technology manipulation and intelligence. that. transcends anything that had been. documented before that time at.

Skinwalker Ranch. That is definitely spooky. I I know that you had mentioned that. Eric may not be fond of the camera, but. uh man, I would love to interview him. No, Eric is principal investigator and. chief scientist at Skinwalker Ranch, resides on the property full-time, literally lives in the command center, and is monitoring all of the platforms.

I mean, these are proprietary platforms. that he has created. I mean, Satan, which stood for Sentinel Assignment, uh, telemetry. something node. I can't I've got to pull up my It's been. a while. It And by the way, there's. nothing insidious. There's nothing dark. It was just a funny acronym that he. pulled out of the air that actually. matched up with the proper description. of the platform. Um you know he he named. the uh the part of the surveillance.

platform that is um capturing the events. Eve event viewer something extraction. Um he he has a number of uh of really. fun. names that he he assigns to the various. technology platforms there at Skinwalker. Ranch. and that, you know, we're we're. preparing to deploy more technology than. ever. The months ahead will turn heads.

Uh the the the. level of sophistication. and the. this the the number of sensors. and uh. and really the technology that we're. deploying with partners like Omnitech. I believe will will re reveal incredible. uh insights. in the months ahead. It's just.

inevitable. Can you can you be a little. more descriptive on some of the. experiments that you're going to conduct. on the. We're continuing to utilize the. helicopter and other aircraft in service. to documenting what what is happening in. the airspace. Lasers um I'd mentioned. drones. I mean drones have become an. effective vehicle for at least testing. the space and seeing when there are. anomalies, when there are disturbances. Um we are going to be using I think um.

you know some more advanced techniques. as far as deploying sensor technology in. looking at the spectrum um you know the. the 1.6 ghahertz and other frequencies. and the noise floor that has been. documented uh and unusual that attends a. lot of this experimental activity. I. think we'll be able to better analyze. and hopefully seek out patterns that uh. that may provide insight. So, not to get.

wonky, but it I think you can expect to. see. in the same way you've seen a. progression since season 1, for example, or the first year that we brought on Ta. Dr. Taylor and we started more. aggressive experimental activity. There's a progression that I'm observing. right now that will continue in the. months ahead that I believe will yield. incredible results. It's inevitable. Although I have to acknowledge Sean, I.

don't think we're in control. You know, with with all humility, we are. we are not in control. Whatever we are. dealing with, whatever we are. interacting with at Skinwalker Ranch. appears to be several steps ahead of us. and has such advanced. capabilities that. it's important that we address it with. humility and reverence. I think uh a lot.

of this is being revealed because it. wants to be revealed. And I know that. may sound hokey, but I I I. believe that certain things are probably. being manifest and shown to us as a. result of. our stewardship and and working to. sincerely engage the phenomena. I'm just curious. I have an idea.

Bring it up. So, I'm gonna throw it out there. Have. you have you guys used water at all? Have you seen Have you seen the I'm. sorry, I forget the name, but the but. the the the the phenomenon above the. triangle. Have you seen it rain, snow? Have you tried to put water on it to see. if you can maybe get some type of a. shape to be revealed? Um, no. I think. that's a great idea. Um, I think using. that, using smoke, using other other.

approaches. I mean, we're just we're we're trying. everything. I mean, when you saw a. flamethrower being being employed, you know, that we're we're trying to. think outside of the box, but I think. that's a great idea. I think using water. is going to be. um an important probably an important. approach. Um. I I like it. anything right now. Whatever we have to do to understand the.

anomaly above this triangle and above. the ranch. and whatever we can do to re in a. responsible way engage the phenomena and. understand what is happening. I'm all. for it. I would love to see that. But yeah, it's. it's going to be fun. I can't wait. It's it's uh it's it's an. exciting process sometimes frustrating. I mean there are days sometimes weeks.

where it seems like nothing is. happening. There are experiments that are. conducted. elaborate experiments. that at first glance seem to yield. nothing of interest and then upon. further review. interesting things are identified and. brought out of the data. Uh. I think it's important for all of us to. realize that you.

our senses you know are you know what we. see with our eyes what we hear you know. we're only taking in a very small. percentage of the overall spectrum of. activity that is happening around us. Um, and I think using the right type of. analysis, you know, equipment to analyze. the environment will and and increasing. those.

those capabilities will be will be more. important in the future. It's kind of. like you have to have the right lens. Yeah. To see this through. And we may be. applying it, you know, the wrong type of. lens. We may be there may be an approach. that will suddenly reveal. everything on the ranch or at least make. it more clear. You know, peel back the.

curtain. Mhm. So we can see who the Wizard of Oz. really is. And you know, I'm prepared. for the truth. I don't really care who. or what it is. I just want to understand. the nature of it and what we are dealing. with. um I can handle the truth even if it's a. foreign adversary. Let's say for. example, let's let's speculate that that. this is some foreign. adversary. that it's another country that is some.

that is somehow using the basin and this. area as a testing ground and they're. testing all sorts of advanced. technologies, you know, in service to to warfare in. the future, whatever. identifying who those actors are and how. they're using that that technology and. how it works. Tell me that that's not important. I. mean, from a national security. standpoint, what we're doing out there. is extremely important.

Yeah. In in bringing my Omnitech team on board. and having them engaged. They're out. there right now as we sit here speaking. They are present. They are on the ranch. with the team conducting research and. experimental activities. They've said, "Look, if this ends up being another country. that is somehow. deploying these kind of technologies. that can manipulate GPS. on command, that can that can literally.

manipulate closed systems. in this fashion. and and and create all of these type of. effects and anomalies. And we're. we have we have reason for concern. Yeah. In fact, I find that. I find that more terrifying. If there's. a bad actor, a a known adversary that. has access to technology and is using. this as a proving ground,

uh. the implications are are staggering. Yeah. You know, this just popped in my. head. When the when the UAPs. flew into the mesa and then out of the. mesa, do you are these solid objects? Do. you believe they're solid objects or are. they is this some type of a.

Good question. What I saw looked like a. solid object. So, the the UFO that I saw. above the mesa looked like a solid. object. In fact, it had kind of a. reflective property. I remember those, you know, with even the witnesses. mentioned that, you know, it seemed to. be a a very solid object with reflective. properties. But I remember the sun going. down on the other side of the property. and and it seemed to be um reflecting um. the UAP that you're referring to, the.

most recent. that came down from the sky, dropped. into the mesa in the east field, and. then seconds later is seen exiting the. base of the mesa below the helicopter. Yes. Um it is definitely transmedium or. what people refer to as a trans medium. unidentified aerial phenomena. Is it. solid? Does it take solid form when it. exits? Who knows? I the nature of these. objects.

of these technologies that are being uh. deployed. it's elusive. Um but it definitely has. an impact on the instruments. I mean. when we see when we see some of this. activity occurring, you know, you see. the you see the spectrum analyzers going. crazy. The our our spectrum analyzer. platforms are are recording and. documenting all sorts of strange. readings that accompany a lot of this.

activity. Especially when we go back and. we review the footage and we we. timestamp everything and we draw direct. connection between the activity, the. spectrum analyze the results and what is. visually documented. I think we've covered just about. everything. There's one more thing I. want to cover. It's it's. we had a discussion last night about.

faith. And I shared my journey with you and you. had mentioned that. I I believe I asked you how this has. affected your faith and and you had. mentioned that since you've owned the. ranch, it has actually strengthened your. faith. Yeah. Shockingly, how is. I'm not familiar with the Church of. Latter-day Saints. I I did a little bit. of research and it sounds like,

how do I describe this? It sounds like. the Earth is not the center of the. universe and you don't believe that we. are the the only beings in the universe. Correct. Yeah, Sean. I I was raised to. believe that there are worlds without. number, that we're not alone in the. universe. You know, Mormon theology speaks to, you. know, the fact that we're not alone in. the universe, that we're part of a.

divinely constructed, intelligently. designed reality, that there's a higher. power, that the nature of reality and and. really our place in the universe is much. more complex. than we can even comprehend at this. stage of our evolution. What I have seen at Skinwalker Ranch, what we are documenting.

has has. only strengthened what I was raised to. believe that we really aren't alone. That there that there is something more. at play here. And it could be. interdimensional or multi-dimensional. I mean, anyone who believes in an. afterlife, if you believe that your. consciousness or your soul or spirit or. whatever you want to call it survives. after your body is destroyed or you die,

congratulations. I I think you believe. in a multi-dimensional. you you believe in interdimensional. theory in in that that physics. And. I think that we're what we're seeing at. the ranch could very well be partially. interdimensional in origin and nature. And people ask me all the time is is is. what you are documenting.

is it. ET is it extraterrestrial people from. other worlds? Is it interdimensional or. multi-dimensional phenomena? Is it time. travelers or is it spiritual? Is it is. it angels and demons from other realms? And the veil between this world and. those realms of existence or reality is. very thin for whatever reason out there. Which is it? And my answer honestly is.

all the above. Right now the data seems. to point toward a diversity. of origins, agendas. and I don't think you can ascribe these. events that to any one. phenomena or any one. point of origin. I think there's a lot of things. happening for whatever reason that seem. to be converging on this property. And.

you know the veil could be thin between. this world and spiritual realms or this. world and other worlds. There may be a. portal or a wormhole to other worlds to. other planets that for whatever reason. it occurs on this property. There could. be a Stargate. you know buried in the mesa y that. enables an interstellar highway to exist. above and even below this property. Something is happening. As above, so.

below. We're observing phenomena that. continues. to defy conventional explanation. Do we make mistakes once in a while from. time to time? Are things misidentified? Absolutely. That's part of the process. That's part. of learning. This is an imperfect. process. This is iterative. We're we are. trying desperately to separate the. signal from the noise.

Separate that which has a mundane. natural cause or explanation from that. which truly merits further consideration. and may be unusual or extraordinary. And my goal is to to get the answers and. share those answers with everyone. Well, this is um one of the most. fascinating interviews I've ever done. and um I got one last question. You.

bring it on. Do you ever see yourself. selling Skinwalker Ranch? Never. Never be passed down to generations. Uh or put in trust. I I have no interest in selling the. property. I have no interest in. monetizing it. My only interest. is in getting answers. And I hope to continue to demonstrate.

that I am a worthy steward, that I am worthy of that knowledge, that. my team. is worthy of insights that will. hopefully be realized. Well, I want to I want to say one other. thing, too, and I just on top of. everything that you're doing and um and. it it is amazing and I think a lot's. going to come out of it and and I I. can't wait to see the future, what the.

future holds for you and Skimwalker. Ranch, but I just I really want to. commend you. when I found out that you. are not monetizing. and every bit of profit that would have. been coming to you is going to charity. and it goes it's signed to other causes. and to to strengthen the effort. That's just that's nobody does that. That's amazing. Well, I. I think intention is important. Having. pure sincere intention.

behind any effort will hopefully yield. the best results. And I'm very fortunate. to have a lot of success in other areas. of my life, other professional endeavors. that help subsidize this this whole. project and my other pretentious. lifestyle. priorities. I mean, I I like nice. things. I I've never been driven by. money. ever. But I am that guy who at 12 years old.

had the black Lamborghini Countach. poster on his wall. in my little windowless basement. bedroom. I think I had like an 8 by8. little windowless basement wind uh. bedroom. In fact, I've got a picture of. it. I'll share it with you. And on that. wall is a black Lamborghini Countach. that I just loved. And I have my drum. set and my keyboards and my my ninja. sword and my Dungeons and Dragons books.

and and friends gathered. dreamers that are all trying to make. sense of this world. And and uh I'm. still I'm still that kid at heart. And. I'm hoping that, you know, in the same. way that I wasn't trying to employ any. calculus. or had any weird, you know, agenda other. than just doing cool stuff.

I hope that the years ahead for me and. for all of those around me are are uh. are exciting. our insight rendering. I'd. like to invite you to the ranch. Um. Sean Ryan, you are a seeker of truth. You have a very unique megaphone. In the spirit of transparency and. collaborating with like-minded.

individuals with integrity, I welcome you to the ranch and would. love to bring you out for a full. briefing. You can be the judge in. meeting with the team looking at the. data and you may have some insights. It's not that you don't have experience, battlefield experience. You have, I. believe, probably some special insights. to render that could help us. with uh with respect to.

engaging the phenomena. So I I look. forward in the future to to welcoming. you out. Um, I mean that sincerely. You. have my commitment. If you're. interested, it would be my honor. Thank you. And, uh, look forward to having you meet. the team and having you tell the general. public. with no strings attached. what you see and what you were able to. witness. Wow. I will definitely be out there. So,

thank you. Look forward to it. Thank you. for fighting the good fight. Thank you for uh for being a true. patriot and know that you have you have. brothers. uh in arms out there in the basin uh. that uh are seeking truth and look. forward to championing these efforts uh. to the next level. Well, thank you for everything you're. doing and and thank you for being here. today. It's it's been a real honor and.

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