Blerim Skoro - CIA & FBI Asset / Al-Qaeda Infiltrator | SRS #198

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Blair Skoro, welcome to the show. Thank. you very much. Honor to be in your show. Honor to have you. Thank you, man. You've got a hell of a life story. growing up in Kosovo, coming in, being. recruited by the CIA as an asset, infiltrating al-Qaeda, an assassination. attempt. I mean, this is going to be a. really good interview. Really good. interview. Yes, it is going to be good. And your story is so interesting. They're doing a documentary about you. Yes. When's that coming out? Hopefully,

we're planning soon. I don't have too. much control over that. It's people. involved. So, but it's going to come. soon. Do you know where it's going to. go? Uh, we are guest in uh May 21st to May. 26 in California for 6 days and after. that I will find out what's going to be. the next step. But I am in California in. Hollywood uh from May 21st to May 26th. Congratulations. Congratulations. Thank.

you. Thank you. Well, everybody starts. off with a introduction here. So, here we go. Blurham Skoro, Kosovan, Albanian immigrant and former Yugoslav. army soldier who deserted to escape. ethnic persecution during the Kosovo. War. turned to crime to save her family. from genocide, smuggling drugs to fund. their escape from Kosovo, only to face. an 8-year prison sentence in 2000. Then. became a CIA asset who infiltrated.

al-Qaeda after 9/11, all for a chance to. reunite with your American-born wife and. daughters. You survived an assassination. attempt in 2010 while serving as a CIA. informant, a husband, and a father who. won a landmark immigration case in 2022. And now you drive a cab in New York. City. Your story is the subject of a new. documentary called The Accidental Spy, which hopefully comes out in May. So, couple things to uh knock out here real.

quick. We have a I have a Patreon. account. Yes. and we've grown quite the. community there. We actually we just we. just took all their names. We're we're. building a new studio. It's about three. and a half times the size of this. We. took all 28,000 people who have ever. been a Patreon member and supported us. and uh we just put that on the wall. inside and the whole studio will be. built around it. But one of the things I. do is I offer them uh the opportunity to.

ask each and every guest a question. A. question, excuse me. So this is from Tin. Dog. Do you consider yourself a patriot. of the US or a subversive because of the. betrayal? Where is your head at today? I. am 100% American patriot. I thought you would say that. Thought. you would say that. And I'm proud to be. that. Good. Good. Well, we're proud to. have you. We're proud to have you. So,

quick answer, but. um and then. lastly, you watch the show, so you know, everybody gets a gift. Thank you very. much. I appreciate it. Vigilance Elite. Gummy Bears. Yes. Legal in all 50. states. There you go. But, um this is. going to be a heavy interview and uh I. hope I hope we go down some rabbit. holes. I mean, just just since you've. been here, you brought up the fact that. uh something about Uranian coming out of. Russia. I definitely want to dive into.

that and um and some of your outlook on. Syria that we just discussed off camera. So, but let's start with life in Kosovo. So, you're born in 1971 in Kosovo during. a time of ethnic tension under Yugoslav. rule. I. was obligatory service in Yugoslav. army. What's was the worst war ever. existed in Balkans? I know you've been.

seeing a lot and a lot of the viewers. and a lot of the guest but I saw also. very bad and a lot I was in a group with. one of the most dangerous. criminal Rajnatovich known aka Archon. Wow. And I see I witnesses with my own. eyes behaving killing rape you name it. all of it. And I survived. How how young.

were you when you started witnessing. those things? I tell you my 20 years. birthday was in the military. So I started 19 years old. So you started seeing beheadings, rapes, all these kind of things as a 19y old. kid. As a as a 20-year-old kid. What was. the first time you saw a beheading? I. didn't believe it. First I thought it's. like uh like something you watch in the. movie. I saw woman getting raped from. the those uh paramilitary groups of.

archon and there was a creations. I was. in the Yugoslav army and uh to me was I. didn't believe because when we uh called. for duty we called for duty to serve the. country against enemy outside not inside. of the own people. So Croats that time. when I was serving it was still. Yugoslavia which I start in I was uh I. started my service in March 20 1991 and.

I was you know serving be even that time. Albanians from Kosovo we had no rights. we was considered like secondass. citizens because history of ourself it's. Alb Kosovo used to be always part of the. Albania because the communism dictator. it broke up and the Yugos. took over my country. But the history. it's always there. It's a black and. white. We cannot change it. Some people. may like, some people don't like, but. Koso was part of the Albania. So, we.

start this uh uprise, you know, to be. separated from Yugoslavia, but we. couldn't do it. We always had a lot of. issues and stuff and uh we couldn't do. it. Then I was called in March. 20 1991 and I start I finished 3 months. of uh training uh which is in the. beginning uh it was 8 weeks if I don't. make mistake and they start war in.

Slovenia. I was in a training camp in. one of the cities of uh Yugoslavia city. called Shabbat. It's very close to the. Croatian border. That's what was uh I. was I start my uh uh military training. for war. That's a little different than. regular training. That's how I came out. to uh see the one of the worst criminal. Rajnatovich Arkan and there was. volunteers. I was regular military and. we start those training and stuff and uh.

one. time I never talked in my life. CIA knew. at this part but uh my family of course. knows when we was in the training you. have some pictures we can demonstrate if. you want later in the camp it's a. pictures in the camp I was order it was. uh stolen uh weapons in that camp from. the uh uh those volunteers and when we. say volunteers it's a two different. groups I was in regular military and.

there was those chatnik volunteers those. they're butchering people, woman, raping. those with a group of Rajnetto varan. And uh since the military officers saw. me like I was little kind of skilled. soldier, they put me to be security not. to allowed nobody to move in a base and. group of six or seven of them they tried. to sneak in and I tell them you cannot. go in stop and they didn't want to stop.

And then I second time because that's. how was uh our rules. You ask them one. time to stop. If they don't stop then. second time you pull the gun, you put. the bullet in the chamber and you're. ready to shoot. And they don't want to. stop. That's first time in my life I. shoot in a people. That was kidding. Uh. June June or July of uh. 1991 and I was age 20. I never talked in. the no media this part of the story.

First time in my life. But when I said I. didn't talk, CIA knew what everything. So when you come to I did a polygraph. test to the CIA, but we're not going to. change the subject where it's beginning. and uh so you you shot in a group of six. or seven uh volunteers of the Chattnik, the worst chat. You have the picture. I. did send it to you guys the picture. I. shot in them with a AK-47 like nothing. like first time in my life shooting to.

the people was that in age 20. Did you. kill them? Uh I cannot say if I killed. but they don't want to say it but I know. everybody was laying down in the ground. Nobody was moving but I pulled the. trigger and I know I'm a sharp shooter. I don't I don't miss easy. I can I'm. very good in a shooting. So maybe one of. them went down but definitely I did shot. in a group of them and then that's how I. become like a very honor to the military.

Yugoslav military like uh you know they. I create a trust. Mhm. And uh then we. still continue in a training camp in a. city Shabbat exact I will uh you didn't. go to make sure they were dead or. anything? No, I cannot. You're not. allowed because the officers come and. escort me right away and they took them. out and we're not allowed. You know, it's a strict rules. If you shoot, then. they have to escort you uh keep you in a.

safe place for a couple of days. And I. was given a pistol extra from the my one. of the uh officers uh in case he said if. you get problem with one gun, you have a. extra spare gun. So he kind of liked me. and he gave me his personal gun and I. kept for couple of weeks or a month. Wow. Did that bother you at age 20 to to. potentially kill? Honestly, I felt very. great because I knew what I was shooting. in Serbians and we consider them enemy.

of my country, enemy of my people. And. in my for example, I didn't talk too. much uh from all these 35 years about. this. I left because you know sometimes. legacy it's good to leave in the end of. the story of your life but my family. knows very well the story my kids know. very well and it's a 100% true and I. communicate after 35 years with officers. who helped me 35 years ago I.

communicated just recently couple of. months ago no kidding they still. remember they are retired uh in a. Yugoslav former Yugoslav military and. they said We was proud you what you did. that time. And what did you call them? Did you call them captains? Uh, no. It's. a It was a Yugoslav officer, Captain. First Class. It was a regular officers. in Yugoslav military. So that that. that's Serbians Cetnik. Cetnik. So when. I shot, I shot in the Cetnik. So this is.

was Yugoslav regular Yugoslav military. So it's little too different. My officer. didn't like them because he knew they. are criminals. So he liked us. So he. liked the regular military, but he. didn't like the volunteers. Wow. Because. volunteers is the one who commit the. genocide. Wow. Yeah. And what about the. beheadings and the rapes? Who who who. did you witness? I witnessed the those. reser those volunteers chatnik did to.

the cros. So I witnessed a woman got I. know a one part for example it was a. woman didn't have a 12 years child kids. she had a baby it was a 9 month or 10. month old they killed the baby in front. of me and the rest of the soldiers and. they raped the lady and then they killed. the lady too. So I witnessed that. It. was somewhere in August of 1991. I was.

present myself. And then there was. another story. A a former Yugoslav. military guy finished his service and he. came to visit his family in city. Vukawar. I was one of the most dangerous. wars in the city Vukawir. So he came in. that uh to visit his family because he. finished his service. When they found. out he came over there, they killed his. father and they killed the former. soldier who served in Yugoslav military. and they uh shot him from the behind.

They execute him. They kill his father. first and then execute him. I witnessed. that too. And then another part this. Chetnik uh you have the pictures. They. throw hand grenades. They put a woman. and kids in one of the basement. And I. remember family last name Chutura. I. helped them. They throw hand grenades in. the basement and me and uh one of my. officers is originally from Bosnia,

Bosnia, but it was regular military. He. said it was around 200 a.m. He said, "Let's go. We hear the noise. They held. asking for help." We went in a basement. what we saw in that basement all murder. killed woman and kids and I I went in. and it was a little slippery and I said. to the officer you have any match or. anything because it's slippery and my. foot was inside of the baby's body right.

inside at age 20. and there was a old lady over there. calling for help in a Croatian uh pomog. pomogi and I went and took the lady. She. was all butchered from hang grenades and. I took her out less than 10 15 minutes. she passed away in my hand. I tried to. help her and then after. like start seeing all this then you get. used to it's a war you know. Of course.

you young in a age but when you see all. this thing then it becomes like it's a. normal you know you in a war war you. have to do you have to defend yourself. protect yourself you not to get killed. and we did the best for me for example. we never. uh shoot innocent civilians even I was. more prot I was more able dreaming to.

help crotz because we are more close. with Kra than Serbs. Serbs is Cthnik who. are ally with Russia and we consider. always enemy. So the Ser the Serbs and. the Cetnik are the are the same the same. are the same. Yes. Chetnik are the the. base of them the more fanatics like we. have Islamic radical al-Qaeda and stuff. So Chetnik are in Serbians like that. Okay. So if we compare with al-Qaeda so. Chetnik are like al-Qaeda and they were.

doing this to your people not not to my. people to cross then in after a little. while when they start war in Kosovo they. was doing to my people but first this is. was 1991 and in to my people was 96 97. 98 99 so in '91 I was in a Yugoslav. military. Jeez how common was this? Look, it was not unusual like from my. generation. like even when I give a interview before.

in like short interview in English one. of the newspaper I see people who I grew. up they don't know me much because we. was young 15 16 years and I don't talk. about stories like that it's not normal. for me to talk you know because like one. time I had nightmares I couldn't sleep. for a little while because when I are. talking about past what I saw you had. the you have a trouble sleeping you know. and I never want my kids to know this.

kind of stories because I wanted my kids. to grow up to love people not to hate. because if you tell your child what. you've been through then they're going. to uh have a bad feeling thinking look. the my father what he went through you. know I want to hate those people too so. I don't want to give uh my kids uh idea. to hate anybody. I wanted my kids they. are born and raised in US. I want to be.

free not to be having hate in their mind. because when you start having hate you. have no space to love people. So I. wanted to be educated extremely free and. good not to have ideas of the wars and. murders and death. So I want to be very. calm and educated and civilized. Wow. There's not a lot of people that think. like that. No, that's pretty big of you. You've heard me talk about Patriot. Mobile for a while now. They've stood in.

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military that time when I was in. Yugoslavia. You must serve. It was no. choice because I couldn't have no. passport. I couldn't leave the country. So was a complete dictator. You know you. must between age 18 and 20 at age 18 you. have to go in recruiting center for four. or five days. So if you uh capable to. serve. So I was in recruiting center I. was 18 years old and then uh at age 19. they sent me the letter I have to serve.

the country and I took that responsibly. then I went and served the country. I. thought you know I'm serving a normal. Yugoslavian country. It's not like uh. I'm going to be part of the uh. committing genocide. It was a clear. genocide. Nothing uh it's no secrets. It's I passed that uh situation. It's I. was there until October 13 when uh. complete Croatian city Vauovar. collapsed. And I say it I repeat it.

again like I grew up with the people. they didn't even believe when they hear. a little bit the story they said no it's. not that but trust me I passed very. ruthless war look I've been in. Afghanistan I've been in a conscious. Iraq and Syria and Lebanon and Jordan. and all these countries I I saw the wars. I saw what al-Qaeda did but uh this war. was also dangerous too. Wow. Wow. And. how long were you involved in that?

Until October 13, 1991. From March 1991. until October 13. [ __ ] So around almost. 8 9 months. And who was committing the. genocide? Serves Chetnik. Were you guys. committing? My me personally not. No. But group in my side. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. How was the woman being. raped? How did that happen? It's very. bad. I saw I had to tell you this. I. remember one picture I saw like today. I. never forget that young maybe 35 years.

old one that took that. child I couldn't do much you know. because look I thought many time if I. turn my gun to everybody and kill all. this but the problem was family because. if he was doing that to Serbs and Cetnik. they was going to execute my family. because that's how they used to do to. Albanians if Albanian guy shot the. Serbian or Cetnik then they was going to.

kill the family. So then I was woring my. family. It's not the me to uh get. killed. I always thought I was like. since I grew up I grew up no fear like. uh I know one day I'm going to die. I. mean weren't they trying to kill you. anyways? They try. They try. It was a time they. said look we're going to crucify him. When I shot those group, there was. rumors, oh, we're gonna butcher him.

We're gonna uh make a cross in his body. Those uh four S's, you know, Chattnik, they have a four S's, cross and four. S's. Because they knew it. I was Muslim. born. So, they was you are sending me. threats through the soldiers and stuff. But look, Sean, I'll be very honest. I. was ready to die when I started that. military. I said regardless if I die. today or after 50 years one day I'm. gonna die. So I had no kids I was not. married I was young. So the age is you.

know the most dangerous age is you don't. fear nothing you know not everybody I'm. telling you not you have a kids like I. can tell you example I have a a boy 12. years old if you see him he's a big. giant boy but he will not kill kakaroas. He's so like polite and nice. He was. said, "Daddy, no, don't kill that." You. know, but us was different because we. had that hate between us and Serbians. So, we grew up, my grandfather was.

executed in a communist country. My. mother's father, he was executed in. 1940. So, and we grew up, you know, having that hate. So, if I knew it how. my grandfather were executed. So now. automatically my parents educate me you. know look we we live here but those are. our enemy you know my grandfather was. killed so now we cannot trust them so I. was very educated and uh uh trained to.

not to trust them so to be always. prepared you know if you have a uh ever. to come cross you have to defend. yourself or you're going to get killed. or you have to kill so this was also a. religious war. It's not a religious war. because I like us it was a more like we. grew up in communist. Albanian was not a. religious the way it's in a Middle East. You know, Albanian we marry among. Christians. We don't have no issue. Albanian is like uh one of the best.

example you can live in the uh whole. world because we have no issue. Christians or Muslims. We are friends. We uh celebrate all Christmas, Ramadan. all together. So we have no issues. between us. Of course, lately we have. very dangerous fanatics. Mhm. We crazy. fanatics because Albanians came out to. uh go in a Syrian war over 4 number one. country from the population give more.

jihadist to the ISIS and al-Qaeda than. any different countries. So but uh uh us. we was not religious like that. So we. was modernize uh educate drink I was. parting I was drinking I was uh doing. life no different from you and rest of. the world. So we was no issue with. religion but certain they used to look. us like that. The other side always used. to look as oh they are dangerous because. they are Muslims you know they can.

threat us they can kill us but we was. not like that and they were supposedly. Christian Christians yes orthodox. Christians from no different from. Russians. Holy [ __ ] But Croatians are Catholics. with Croats we have very good uh. relation. We never had issues with them. only with the Serbians cetnik which they. are you know like Slavic. Mhm. No. different from Russians. Mhm. Wow. What happened? What what happened. with your parents? Do you have any.

brothers and sisters? I one brother. passed away here in 8 n years ago. One. of them oldest one is in Switzerland. I. had I bring my parents and the rest and. my parents passed away few years ago in. United States. They all US citizens. So. I bring everybody. I'm the one I sponsor. bring in all my family. Only my wife and. kids are born and raised here. My. parents become nationalized citizen from. me here. And did they fight too? No, my. parents not. My father served in. Yugoslav military two years but he.

served 1960. Your brothers? And my brother uh did. service but he didn't caught up in a. war. The youngest one he came young here. in US so he didn't uh went in a war. How. did it end? Uh uh the end was. uh it's good. My uh older brother he. served in the US love military. He did. in 1988. So that time was no war and my. father did in 1940. It was no war that.

time and the rest of family didn't. serve. How did the war end? Oh very. brutal. Still it's uh it's a threat. Croatia separated. Yugosavia is now. seven countries. It should start Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia, Macedonia and. Kosovo Montenegro. So it's seven. different country from Yugoslavia. But. uh still we have little issues. We have. a US military in Kosovo which is our. number one protector. To us it's. Albanians we believe God is in the sky.

America it's in the ground. It's a for. Albanians is Albania and Koso it's like. a 53rd state of US. You know we are more. pro but we have also issue with the. terrorist with fanatics definitely we. have a problem. So it's not like uh we. are clean. We're not uh uh because it. was Albanian from Kosovo who came out in. Frankfurt, Germany a few years ago. If I. don't make mistake, six, seven years. ago, he executed two US Marines in. Frankfurt, Germany. He k he shot two or.

three. Wow. Yeah. and uh uh not to pass the in uh. 1991, October 9, 1991, I tried to escape. from the military, from the war zone on. November 9, October 9, I'm sorry. And uh. I got caught in uh uh entering the Belg. airport and my father was in a bus and. my brother-in-law they was trying to. help me to escape the war and I got. arrested from military police and that.

was one of the worst ever days I passed. in my entire life. I was tortured so. badly when I had to use the bathroom. I. was. uh leaking blood. That's how they. torture me. Yugoslav military. How did. they torture you? They handcuffed me. from the right hand with the left and. they was hitting me those black sticks. they used to use in the military. I was.

bleeding badly. They was letting me stay. in that and they was doing in the right. foot just to have me to admit I'm a. leaving. I'm a deserter from military. And Sean for me was uh uh or me to die. or my family. So I decide to sacrifice. myself, not to sacrifice my family. So. what I did that I took the pain. They. torture me so badly and I never admit. it. I said I'm going to die that day in. military prison. I'm not going to admit.

it. I'm leaving the military. They. tortured me so badly after four days. because in. Yugoslavia I was a communist have a. little uh skills because 1981 my father. was a police for 4 years in Yugoslav. police that I'm a regular police so I. learned how they when they torture. people if you take a pain for 72 hours. they will let you go. So if you don't. take the pain and you give up, you said, "Yes, I did that." Then of course you're.

going to get tortured and you're going. to get the prison. So now it was two. things or me to die or my family. So I. never admitted and they took me from a. military prison that sent me right away. in a war zone. And you have a piece of. paper uh proof. I send it to you guys. and you can see it clear. In October 13, one of the officers, Captain Kabino,

he's the one who helped me sign that uh. uh permit. I'm going to uh be for 2 days. uh visiting my family but actually I was. not going to visit the family but I he. was helping me to leave the war because. I was going to go in military court. minimum 25 years just to enter the. military court because I did that uh uh. uh uh shot against chetnik. So I was. between uh 25 years or death sentence.

So I had no choice to do that and I. successfully left Yugoslav army. My. family thought I was dead. I went in my. city Kosovo that night. It was a 4:00. a.m. midnight in the morning and I. jumped from the wall. All my family. thought I was dead. When I uh knocked. the window of complete family was. waiting for my dead body to send it from. military. When they saw me live in my. city, everybody thought I was dead. I. got killed because I was arrested from. the military police and then finally I.

received help from the some family. members and I left Yugoslavia in uh. October 14, 1991. I I went in. Switzerland. Took me 10 days journey to. enter Switzerland from Yugoslavia. How. did you get to Switzerland from. Yugoslavia? I it was a long journey. I'll be very honest. Not easy young guy. to do like that. It's I guess my nature. is little bit uh uh like brave uh uh.

they help me uh to give me a fake. passport. Not fake passport fake uh uh. my picture but different name. Mhm. I. never travel like that but I guess God. give me some kind of skills my nature. That's how even I came out to CIA. because I was capable you know I'm a uh. street smart even I was not who knows. what kind of education in a school but I. was a natural street smart and I came.

out to use that passport my name was uh. uh Yakubra Mushi when I used that. passport I did use at least all in my. life maybe 10 or 13 different names by. now So uh I took that passport. I. traveled from Macedonia to Bulgaria. From Bulgaria I flew to Italy and in. Italy I get arrested. They was not. letting me uh go through from Bulgaria. to Italy. I had a little cash with me.

and they they keep me one night in a. prison in Italy and they sent me back to. Bulgaria. But now uh if I don't come out. my with my ideas to enter Switzerland, if I go in Yugoslavia, I was going to be. in a military uh prison and uh life or. death. So when you have this kind of. situation then now you got to uh do. whatever it takes to survive you know. it's not like uh you have experience but.

experience you guys do it's a different. because you have a strong support when. you have a US military or US government. you feel more strong you know it's a. different feeling but me I don't have. that uh uh support I have a my support. is is only me how I'm going to survive. So I uh was returning uh from Italy to. Bulgaria and I called from my one of. couple of best friend and a family. member to come and help me. So they.

smuggled me from Bulgaria to Romania. illegal. And then from Romania I did all. my trips uh uh Romania, Hungaria, Germany, Germany uh Belgium, Belgium, France, France, Switzerland. I entered. Switzerland in October 26, 1991. And all. that all that was I mean how did you. fund that? With money. I had money take. it. It took uh that time I believe uh it.

was not over $2,300 marks that time. So. basically like. $2,300 because I was always using buses, local buses and stuff. So to pay a. little cheap and stuff, not to be. expensive. I never pay smuggler. So. everything in my life I did I never pay. smuggler. All I did myself. I used to. use You did this all yourself? All. myself just using my connection friends. you know like that and knowing me how I. was uh brave and tough. So always I used.

to receive support. I mean that's a lot. of friends in a lot of countries. Yes. Yes I do. Even today, Germany, Belgium, France, Sweden, I mean. France, Belgium. Yes. Holy [ __ ] So you. knew people in every one of these. Every. one of the countries. Yes. How who were. they? Were they family members? Albanians. Albanians. Everywhere. Albanians. It's all connection. Even. today I'm speaking to you. Uh I can. easily say it. If you pick a globe and.

turn and put the finger, I'm sure I have. a friend somewhere somehow. It's kind of. I'm very friendly with people and uh I'm. a loyal to my friends. It's not the job. I did. My friends are never bad guys. I. never have a friend bad guys. When I. said friend bad guys meaning hating. United State, all my friends are good. with us, good with a life. Mhm. Regardless what they do with the. personal life, when it's come to choose.

a US or terrorist, I don't have no. friends who side with terrorist. All I. have friends who side 100% with us. Wow. And so what what happens when you get to. Switzerland? I came out in a Switzerland. in uh then I have a uh 10 or 15 first. cousins in Switzerland included my older. brother. He was working that time in. Switzerland. I stay in Switzerland for a. couple of months from October to. December. In December 23rd, I start.

working after one week in Switzerland, I. start working construction in. Switzerland, illegal, staying illegal. And uh I get arrested in 2 days before. Christmas. I'm sleeping in apartment in. Switzerland and my brother and my first. cousins, 10 of them, they was in a club. We were they was all young and they come. in with two cars, I think 11 or 12 guys. And the police obviously know only. Albanians can be uh six, seven guys in. one small car. So they get arrested. So.

they come now they when they arrest they. come close to the building I used to. live. But nobody knew it what floor I. was living because one of my cousins uh. give me free apartment for a few months. because I came from military. Everybody. knew it what I been through in the. Yugoslav military. So they was kind of. respecting me from my past where I did. it. So they kind of like treated me a. little special than the rest of the.

friends and cousins. I was like a uh. like a brave man to them and a special. treatment. So they arrested me now and. uh it was uh December 23rd the police. come 3:00 a.m. in the apartment where I. used to live in Geneva and uh me and one. of my cousins was sleeping. The bell was. ringing that night and uh he said it's a. bell. I said okay wake up and just open. the door. And he said but I see people.

with a white shirt. I said it's okay you. can open the door. They just want in 10. 15 cups. the Swiss uh police with the. guns and everything and they're telling. us uh don't move, don't move and they in. a French and I was very little that time. in a French now I I know because I used. to live in a Geneva side and Quebec side. so I I'm good in five six different. languages and now they're asking me for.

passport they turn the light on and the. passport was next to TV and that night I. see. very bad dreams in a war and he said uh. your name and I said is Samoa Yakra. Mushi in a French and he looked that oh. [ __ ] now what I'm going to do you know. and he the other one get arrested my. brother get arrested and 10 other 15 uh. 10 or 12 first cousins all of them get. arrested together they send us in a.

prison in Geneva I stay for four or five. days in Geneva Huh? Now it's my plan to. survive because everybody going to get. deported in Yugoslavia and nobody's from. military only me from the all of us. So. what I'm going to do I need to plan. something myself. They taking us from. Geneva to Zurich and from Zurich uh Tika. to Yugoslavia. And now everybody walking. in airplane. It was uh uh two days after. Christmas for between Christmas and New.

Year 1991. I'm planning my plan B using. my skills. Everybody moving in a flight. I'm the last uh uh to enter the airplane. and I'm telling the police I'm saying to. him miss to me don't the passport which. is can you give me the passport? He said. yes I want to show it to you something. and he give me the passport with a. boarding ticket. I took the passport, a complete passport. in front of him and I I throw in a floor.

and I pushed the police and then they. punched me. That's where I was looking. I was looking to get hit so to seek the. asylum and I was in a floor. Everybody. walked in the flight. They closed the. flight right away the door. Now they. jump all the police in me. What I did? I. said muas aa desertter of military the. Yugoslavi and they got stuck when you. mentioned desertter meaning deserter it. was from Yugoslav military because that.

time a lot of albinis was deserting the. Yugoslav military and they believe it. they sent me back to Geneva they give me. a translator and I told the translator. look at I can bring my military IDs I'm. from former military I came from war. zone from. Vukovar and they bring the translator. and they give me asylum in Switzerland. temporarily. That was December 1991. I. stayed in in Switzerland from 1991 to. October.

1994 in Switzerland. October 1994 I came. to United States. How did you get to the. United States? It's very good question. and it's excellent answer. In uh 1994 I. have my uncle came here in 1960. He. immigrated from Albania. He was a US. citizen. So I dreamed all the time. I. have my aunt and a lot of first cousin. they came that time. So I always dreamed. United State you know because they used. to come from US to Koso to visit us and. you know we see like always good you.

know to be in United States you know my. first cousins they always uh talking. nice some of them they born in US that. time we talking 35 years ago because I. have family members they came 50 years. ago 60 years ago and uh I was dreaming. to come here and Switzerland was not. giving us asylum for good like in United. States they was giving us just temporary. all the former military was receiving. status only temporary in Switzerland. So. I asked my uncle I said can you send me.

invitation I want to come in United. States. He said I would send it to you. but it's not easy you to get that uh. visa. I said look it you send it to me. I'm going to get the visa and uh he sent. me the visa and with his invitation that. denied. So what I did it now I use again. my skills. I got I got the passport from. somebody friend of mine and I went in a. US embassy in Switzerland and got the. visa myself. I got a visa with a. different name not my name blur skoro.

again my skills to get the visa in the. US embassy and I went in Zurich and I. got visa they gave me multiply one year. visa for us I got the visa I came in JFK. I flew in uh October 1994 and u I my. uncle was waiting for me in JFK and it. was funny because like I'm using my uh. uh skills. not to trust still even my uncle but not.

to tell him what I'm coming with name. So he's he's coming in information in. JFK calling for blur but uh my name was. a different name Fei Husseini so totally. different name now so he's avoiding the. night report I took cab from JFK I mean. Atoria coins to his house and then I see. my wife my uncle's wife she's American. uh not Albanian American born and uh uh. Patricia she said welcome is she's.

asking me I did a letter a few words. where it's your uncle. I said I don't. see my uncle. Then uh he she paged her. him that time it was no cell phones and. uh then my uncle respond. said where are you? I said I'm in your. apartment. How come you was not waiting? I said because I took a different. passport different name you know. And. then he come and I start live in US. 1994. Wow, that's quite the journey. Yes,

that's quite the journey. Had you ever. met your uncle before that was here in. the US? Yes, I did. You did? Yes, I did. Yes. And how long had he been here. before you arrived? Oh, he came here in. 1960. Oh, 19 When did you meet him? Oh, he used to come always from here in in. my country. Okay. He used to he was he. become US citizen and he had no problem. to come to visit us. And you didn't. trust him? I don't trust him because I. was uh fearing if I get arrested then I.

will put him in trouble. Gotcha. So I. was trying to save him. Gotcha. You know. how it's a loss. If he knows I'm coming. with a fake passport, different name, he. can get trouble. Mhm. Mhm. Holy [ __ ] Yeah, that's quite the. journey. And how old how old were you. when you got to the US, father? I was uh. 20 uh 23 24. All that for in in 3 to. four years? Yes. Yes. After the military. 3 4 years. So I start military 19. I.

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products have not been evaluated by the. Food and Drug Administration. These. products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease or. condition. All right, Blair, we're back from the. break. You're coming to the US. I know. you worked a lot of odd jobs and then. you got picked up and started working. with the Albanian mafia, but and we'll. get to that, but so arriving in the US, you're living at your uncle's house with. his family. What's what do you start.

doing in uh uh after a few months? I. stay if I don't make a mistake two or. three month until my uh I got my own. apartment. My own apartment I got. somewhere in February. 1995 and I apply for asylum 95. I start in December 94 and then uh we. send the papers to immigration 1995 and.

my asylum was right away approved and. granted in May 1995. I got granted. political asylum in US which is it was. my dream come true you know I was always. dreaming that and I become a like very. quick very easy a lot of people was. struggling and suffering not being able. to become a US resident I did in less. than 3 4 months and uh after I got.

granted 95 I start working uh did a lot. of different jobs and uh restaurant uh. construction uh I was dorman I was in a. cleaning company and uh supporting my. family I was always full-time worker. never no job and uh somewhere. 95 96 it start breaking the war in. Yugoslavia between my country Kosovo and.

Yugoslavia because those years it was. Slovenia and Croatia very got separated. so it was left over uh Kosovo, Montenegro and Macedonia. And it was not. easy. I'll be very honest. I was working. hard and uh single person with one check. paying the bills and supporting family. was not easy. And it was good you to. make a living for yourself but that time. my family was not working in Yugoslavia. So I had over my back maybe 10 15 family.

members no job in Kosovo. So there was. all dependent from me. So all my family. was waiting for me. So no pension, no. income, no nothing. Just blur him to. send it to them. And I was young hanging. out with uh becoming friend with lot of. Albanians. And one day it was uh. 1996. I'm in a bar with all Albanians, you know, drinking party. Again I'm a uh.

through the religion Muslim but you know. enjoying life nothing shre no uh wahhabi. no uh strict Islam and uh I'm telling my. friends look uh I'm having a little. hardship you know supporting my family. and stuff but I always used to live by. myself no roommate no nobody just my own. apartment and enjoying the life and one. day they approached me they said look we. can help you you know and I said, "Help,

you know, how is the help possible?". They said, "You know, we can send we can. you can send drugs to. Albania." I said, "Drops to Albania?". No, I never did that. You know, first. time, you know, having this. conversation. I was in a military. service, war and stuff like that, but. not but in a community. I was highly. respected in New York. So by knowing my. past, how I got arrested in the military. because it was uh not easy somebody to.

uh survive that torture. It's uh it's. crazy, you know. So now everybody knows. that torture I did and you know how I. served in the Croatian war, you know, was one of the most dangerous war in. Balkan. So kind of not kind of but even. in a mafia community my name start. becoming among the uh five six families. uh Gambino crime family Genovese Bonano. Luces all these Italian mafia included.

Albanians and uh I was respected we was. hanging out in one of the Gambino crime. club in Bensonos used to be well-known. uh neighborhood of it mobsters in New. York. I used to live in that. neighborhood, you know, living all in. the middle of the mobster, so all. surrounded with mafia and I kind of. blend in good with good skills and now. it's quick spread the rumors, oh, he.

came from the war, you know, uh, knowing. through the media he comes from the war. zone, they give you highly respect, you. know, they treat you more than the rest. of the people, you know, because, you. know, surviving in that Croatian war. it's kind of big things I start the trip. first trip if I don't make mistake. somewhere end of 96 first drug deal and. sending drugs to Albania so hold on what. what's going through your head when the. Albanian mafia says we can help we just.

need you to push drugs to Albania. those moments for example I didn't much. ask because I know the nature of the. mafia is not to ask too much questions. Because if you ask questions then you. raising question maybe you work for. government you know because my asylum. was granted right away so a lot of them. was still illegal because that time in. US nobody was asking you for documents. you know you can live here you know like.

rest the illegal immigrants nobody will. ask you if you have any paper you know. so it was like a like normal everybody. else and since I start hanging out with. them I said not to ask questions all I. need to follow the whatever they tell me. to follow, you know, nothing, no. questions. And they said, they teach me. how to do all these things. And I said, okay, we start, you know, hanging out, being more close to them, more, you. know, but they had a good reputation. I. tell you this, Albanians, Italian mafia.

was very dangerous, but Italian mafia. would not play with Albanian mafia. because they was taking them too. serious. Albanians was killing them with. no problems. You know, it was more kind. of serious Albanians than Italians. you. know, they used to see them. Then when I. came out to the prison, then I found out. Albanians was really more strong than. Italians. So the Italian mafia was they. were scared of the Albanians. Absolutely. 100%. Absolutely. Even me for example when I.

was in that club in the look the the. time mafia how they was functioning you. know when it's a club they all know each. other even it's not social club but they. all know each other. So now they know it. is guy who came from the war and it's me. and I was used to be known like Benny. My nickname was Benny. Everybody used to. know me Benny. So now oh Benny came from. the war. So when I walk into that club. they always respect me. So but I never. worked with Italian mafia. Never had no.

any we I had a friends you know we. communicated hang out but never any. business like being a Italian mob mob. So it was friendly friendly but never. been in in in mob cross the business. line. No, never. Just with Albanian. Did. you know these guys were in the mob. before they approached you? No, I never. knew it until I start I think I believe. second or third trip. Then I start. becoming friendly, seeing them.

gambling, uh using drugs, drinking, party, you know, all these things and. controlling gambling. You know, they. used to control a lot of gambling stuff. in New York City. Albanians, they used. to control a lot of of the Italian. mobsters. You know, it's not like. Albanians was not like uh big group, but. small group, very strong, very loyal to. each other. Interesting. Interesting. What else? What else was. the mafia into in New York? Gambling.

Gambling. Drugs was always drugs in. them. Uh prostitution always with them. Rkitarian, extortion, all this whatever. is in a all the bad [ __ ] all illegal. things, they used to be under the. control of mafia. And so let's let's talk about how you. got into drug running. What kind of. drugs was it? It's it's cocaine, sending. cocaine from United States. First I. start in Albania for few trips and then.

from Albania I start doing to Italy. Then I start dealing with the mobsters. of Albania, mobsters in Italy. Okay. So. you went So let me get let me just get. this straight. So they sent you to. Albania. Yeah. I flew from JFK to Italy. Uh used to change flight in Switzerland. or Germany. Always it was a transit. Germany Frankfurt or Italy and then from. Italy to Albania. But mostly of the time. Germany and Albania or Switzerland,

Albania. So did you live there or would. you come back to New York? I will come. always back to New York. I just send the. drugs, bring the money. Send the drugs, bring the money. So we used to take two. pieces, one piece, one keys of cocaine, send it or two. Sometimes we used to be. two, three of us, sent uh six, seven. kilos and come back uh with money. Did you have any fear about going back. back? Fear back to go where? Albania.

No, I didn't have no fear. None. None. How would you smuggle the drugs in the. body? We used to uh we used to sold a. little bit those uh like a swimming suit. tight and make a piece of pieces in a. body. That time was uh it's a very I can. explain a little bit. Uh uh uh checks in. airport used to be very different, very. easy. You couldn't smuggle, you couldn't. walk. Like I used to have a nice three. piece of.

suit, nice clothes and drugs inside and. tie it up good in a body and you you. pass it through before you do the trip. Same clothes we wear and we go do test. one day before if it's going through. alarm detector. If it goes those closed. alarm detector, then you change it. you. do something close, no belt. So either. uh ring the alarm. So the next day I. used to uh uh smuggle the drugs, take. the drugs from New York, send it to.

Albania or Italy and then Italy in a uh. sell it in the street. But I never dealt. in the street life, meaning selling in. the streets. Always I used to deal with. big guys like uh bosses street. transport. Yeah. Just uh you know not. smuggling and selling in the street. ever dealt in a street cell. So, how. would they how would the cocaine be. packaged? Well, the way it comes from. Colombia, it would be in a Yeah. In a. piece break. Yes. Always break and you. wouldn't break it up. Never break.

because if you break then uh they don't. want to buy it. So, always hard breaks. I used to uh take uh it was time three. killers in the body. So, one in the. front and two sides. A three pieces. suit. Very nice. suit tie like businessman with a. suitcase with you. Pass it. No problem. Wow. How many times did you do this? I did easy I can say minimum 10 times. 8.

to 10 times. Yes. And what would the process be like when. you got to Almania? Oh, hanging out over. there three four days uh giving to the. people. We used to always have waiting. people with money just you stay 3 days. to one week not to be suspicious when. you come back in US so not to raise. suspicious how you come right away next. day so you stay hang out enjoy Albania. Albania cost one week and come back. bring the money no problem how much do. you get smuggling a key cocaine into. Albania it was uh kilo that time was uh.

$55,000 a kilo $55,000 kilo so you're. smuggling about 3 kilos of Crap. Yes. 150. It was a time one shot I bring it. the highest amount of money. $560,000 cash. Holy [ __ ] And that's all. for you to keep with the group. With the. group. Yeah. With a group. Yeah. Sharon. We was always partners and sharing. So. that was that was your money. You didn't.

need to transport the money and give it. to the Albanian mob back in New York. That was 5,000. There was three full of. us all the time. Sharon, how much would. you be able to keep? It was a time. 80,000 90,000 per kilo. I'm saying Oh, per kilo was maybe uh per kilo I can. say$8 to $9,000. Eight to So you would. get paid roughly a little under $10,000. per kilo. Yes. Yes.

It's a lot bigger than uh working at a a. cleaners. Absolutely. Yeah. Big. different. It's especially like uh this. is a trick you know you think it's a big. money sweet money but that's the worst. thing today I would freely said I would. never even dream even advise anybody to. do any work like that because that's. short time what do you think would have.

happened if you would have said no I. don't want to smuggle drugs in the. beginning nothing nothing nothing. absolutely I need the money. So, they. didn't care. They they have a. man. It's not everybody was uh. uh brave the way I used to with the. military experience, but there still was. people to do and still continue doing. They don't do the way they did it. They. change all those things, but they're. still doing. Drugs would never stop.

It's a business. And so, what would the. meetup look like? How would you know who. you're meeting over there in Europe? Yes, always through the friends, you. know, always to the names, always to the. mediator. So I go, for example, to one. of the family members from here in. Albania, not to my family, to the uh. members of the group and then they. waited for me in the airport. They. taking me home. I stay in the apartments. in Albania and next day they coming to.

take the drugs, giving the money. Always. drugs, money, exchanging, never loan. So. always paid in the spot in the hand. given the drugs, taking the money. Did. your family know you were doing this? No. Your uncle? No. Nobody. You don't. think they You don't think they picked. up? I never show to them money. My. family knew what I over there. It was. easy to believe because I was telling. them I'm doing two job. So I was never. telling my uncle how much I'm sending. over there because then he would know.

what I'm doing. So I try to keep very. strict because I learned one thing in. the crimes if a person knows he can be. charged with the crime. So I learned. that part to keep the secret. But after. like few years uh my uncle found out I. did it. And then we're going to come to. the point. It's a funny part how my wife. caught me doing the drug dealing. Found. out it's very I didn't even believe.

Let's go. I'm in a phone using different. language Serbian talking to somebody in. a Serbian because my wife is born and. raised in. US. Then I was never sure she she. understands Serbian. I never thought she. was uh five or six years old. They left. us to live in the uh valet called. Prussia which is in the Serbian side.

Her parents took her for a couple of. years to live there when she was young. and she went in Serbian school. I never. told my wife she was no Serbian. So I'm. talking in the phone home having a nice. conversation. I got. married. I hang up the phone. My wife, she think I'm working restaurant. And I. took her to work with me. And then she. came out. She said, "You're a drug. dealer." I said, "How you know?" That's. what she said. How do you know? Yeah. I.

said, "Baby, she's telling me you just. had a conversation about drugs. You're. talking to Serbian." And then she tell. me whatever I said. I said, "Gez, what. happened with me now?" That's how I call. up my wife to know what was the. conversation. I was uh we was making. meeting how we going to take the drugs. but I was home. So for my wife not to. know I told them look uh we're going to. talk in this language because my wife. she doesn't know she's American born you.

know. I never thought American can learn. Slavic you know it was like common. sense. How did she respond to that? Oh, she didn't like. that. She didn't like that. She freaked. out. If my family knows I marry a drug. dealer, that would be hate. me. Her family It's It's interesting. because before I got married, we met. each other. We dated. We met each other. It's a It's a in a document. It's like.

some part is like a love story. in uh I. met her in uh 1996 97 I'm sorry in. Albanian party and that time I was you. know my name was the best in Albanian. community I was everybody used to know. it's Albanian mob Albanian gangster uh. very good reputation driving Mercedes. uh few years in United States you know. not a lot of immigrants can do that. bulletproof car you know all these.

things I'm uh I start dating her for a. few months and I'm picking the phone. calling her parents you know to get. engaged and the first thing her father. asked me what do you do for a living I. said I work in restaurant how long you. been here I said I've been here 3 4. years he said I cannot give you my. daughter you know you just want to marry. her because you want to become US. citizen but I was very granted asylum. you know I didn't need to get married. with my wife to become US citizen I said.

look sir I don't need uh to get married. I have my papers. I'm traveling to my. country. I don't have no problem with. the papers. No. He said and he hang up. the phone. I said, "Okay, if you hang up. the phone, then then we start I we. engaged and she took a vacation with. their parents. We planned everything and. uh so in June 967 they're going back to. Kosovo and they are in vacation and. after a couple of weeks I'm going in.

vacation too. But I decide with my wife. to get married and I told where my. family I'm going to come in Kosovo and. make a wedding party and get married and. I'm going the parents in Kosovo they. don't want to give it to uh to get. married. They told her no and I said. look are you going to get married? She. tell her parents in front of me you know. what I love my hus. uh my boyfriend we was engaged and I'm. going to go with. him. She had a you know choice. It's was.

20 years old 19 uh between 19 and 20. So. she left the family and come and got. married with me in Kosovo. And then we. come in US uh in uh 97 98 my first. daughter was born April 98 and the. second daughter was born in uh September. 1997. 1999. But those years then I start drug. dealing working always. I always used to.

have a job so to be good to the. government side paying taxes and. everything but doing drug dealing. And your wife she found out before you. got married or after? After she found. out after we got married and you kept. doing it. I kept doing that. Yes. Then. money was sweet. Money was sweet and it's Did she come to. terms with it? Uh then I used to take. her a couple of times. uh few times I. used to take her with me when I used to.

go then I start changing working myself. uh working with Italy only not no more. with Albania now I build a relation. friendship with Italians and I used to. work myself in Italy then I used to take. her with me just to look good in I. reports like a couple traveling just you. know like the customs not to be uh. suspicious in what we're doing so I used. to take her. just fly to uh from JFK to Italy. Always.

using transit. Even going to Italy, I. used to always use Germany. Interesting. So, what did the Albanian mafia think. when you started working for the. Italian? Uh they never thought I was. working for Italian. I was working for. myself, but I have a good relation. friendship with mobsters. So, nothing. like I'm under them. I'm also in my own. but not under mafia. So there was no no.

no not suspicious anything. I never I. always keep my loyalty to Albanian. mobsters. How did the conversation serve with the. Italians? Uh I learned language. they conversation start reputation. building up. I built my name from. Bensoners Brooklyn New York. So when you. build in New York you hanging out with. mobsters. uh you know always become. friends drinking together every night in. a bars and that's how you know build the.

friendship with them how did they. approach. you how they see how they respecting uh. my people how they was respecting me. they used to know I came from the. military they used to know I came from. the war zone we used to have a. conversation when we in a club we always. talk you know I was there you know we. did this we did that you know then now. you become strong you because I barely. saw anybody uh being in a uh past like.

me, you know. I was uh I didn't see. anybody coming from the war like the way. I came. So it was like only me in the. group beat. Of course, there was guys uh. in a street life way they did crazy. things uh beating, breaking legs, breaking arms. There was a guys like. that. But to them was still they can do. that. But if a Benny. get crazy, he can shoot us. So Benny is. respected. It's a among oursel. We can.

play and joke, but still we got to. respect him for his past. So you saw him. breaking people's legs. And it's not I. witnesses, but I knew it when they came. from the situation. I I I knew it. They. broke somebody's legs or, you know, I. hear the they shot somebody in a trunk. They told me we shot somebody and left. him in a car in a trunk. They would just. tell you this. Yeah. Yeah. There's no. problem. And I know who was the person. who got shot. Who? Give me one example.

It's uh one of uh it's. Albanian. It's. considered like a traitor to them. And. uh I can I think his name because it's a. long. time. And uh they told me we shot so and. so. And then I found out uh he got shot. and they left him in his car in the. trunk. And then I know people got beat. up breaking legs, breaking jars and.

stabbing knife and stuff like that. Uh I. used to know I went far. I used to know. son-in-law of the Jungari Carm. We was. in the same room in a prison. I met John. Jr. from Gambino crime family. I met uh. uh boss of Columbbo family. I met uh uh. Genovese boss with one of them Anthony. Spiro who passed away in prison. He was.

my cell partner is he was a head of the. Genovese. Anthony Spiro was life. sentence. He was my cell partner. So I. spent time with uh uh head co-founder of. the bloods in New York, Pistol Pete and. his son is in a Florence, Colorado. I. was very close with him. He was my self. partner. Three years we went alone. Excellent. Wow. Did you know who these. guys were at the time? Not the time. No. No. In the beginning some of the mobs I. used to know like from the Gambino for.

example, one of the two brothers Saul. and Tommy I knew there was a wise guys. There was uh you know uh very strong in. a rank in a Gambino crime family. How did you eventually get picked up? It's again it's my past I mean in. prison. In a. prison I tell you this is the best part. of the story of the. life. That trip Sean I did not do that.

trip. I was set up. I was not in. involved in that trip. When I get. arrested, it's a mistake of the US. government. When I say mistake of US. government, how informers was using. government? So informer, one of the. informers, there was two of them. He. came out from the prison and few where. he did I start lending him money. We. used to do lawn shark in a little bit.

and he sent somebody in Pakistan for. drugs. He's he's dead today. He's. deceased in a prison. They said he got. killed or something but it's not my. problem. I don't care. He deserve he got. what he deserved. And uh this guy he who. set me. up he said one day we coming from the. Bronx to Queens. He said we used to call. each other son. He said be careful maybe. government one day arrest you. They can. tell you I'm in former but I'm not.

Sean, when you don't have no uh when. you're not in a system, federal prison, look, you have a very strong good. experience. I uh see you part of the. life story. You've been in a se, you've. been in a intelligent agency and it's. excellent experience you have. But it's. a different my experience. You can know. the laws little bit. I don't know the. laws. Only time you learn the laws. Today speaking with you, I'm like a.

parallegal. I know the law very well. I. can tell you about the US laws. You will. never believe it. Mhm. So I'm coming in. for telling me, "Hey, be careful. If. they arrest you, they can tell you, you. know, I'm working for the FBI." I didn't. believe. One of my first cousin told me. one day, "Look, cousin, don't trust Nick. because Nick is uh FBI informer." I. said, "Come on, Nick cannot be in former.

because he knows me. I come from the. war. I will shoot him. You know, he's. fearing me." But I learned all these two. years when I was friend with that. informer when he talked to his family, he always mentioned my name because his. phone was tapped. So if something. happened, he get killed. So he they know. his family who he was with, you know. So. every time he's with me, he talked to. his wife or somebody of family and tell. them, "Oh, I'm with Benny. Benny, Benny,

Benny, Ben." And then one day he got me. paranoia and I told him, "Son, how come. you always tell mention my name in the. Oh, no, no, just because I love you.". Okay. One day we playing pool and. somebody called him from Greek. He was. deported. He was arrested and deported. He stay in a federal prison. But this. guy went in a bathroom. So the phone. ring and ringing and. uh Cleonth the guy who got killed was. VTO. Albanian guy in a trunk from the.

past story we was talking. It came in my. mind head. His name is VTO. Albanian. name. So he got killed from one of the. Albanian mobsters. He was shot in the. head in a trunk. So now Cleanth is the. guy Albanian who calling from the. Greece. This guy is in the bathroom, the. informer, but he's my friend, my. ex-friend. And I answered the phone, his. phone. And this guy cursing me, saying, "Hey, you mother f, why you not.

answering the phone? You effing snitch. this, that." I said, "Yo, who you. talking to? You know, I'm not Nick. I'm. Benny. Oh, I'm sorry. Uh, where is Nick? He's not answering my phone." I said, "He's in the bathroom." He said, "You. know, he's an informer." I said, "Really?". She had a lot of signs that says this. guy was an involved. But Sean, it was. too late for me. This is it coming in. 1991. It's very. I'm government is very investigating me. They watching me. So I'm very followed.

from the US government, from the FBI and. DA. So it was no more only choice was me. to stop. But they still was building. case against me. So what he did, he. asked me to do a favor to send him. $21,000 in Pakistan. I did wire from the. Western Union. I make that mistake in my. name. But I was young and it's not like. uh I thought I used always myself to.

say, "Hey, he is going to be scared to. uh snitch me because he knows my past.". But he did it. He snitched me and. uh I don't want to use that. It was. informal. You know, we're trying to be. more polited in the language so the. viewers not to think now I'm going rough. in the people and uh I sent $21,000 to. somebody who was in Pakistan and he was. connected to one of the most wanted. You. have a picture with Bin Laden. So he was.

supporter of bin Laden. I saw picture. with him and Bin Laden after I went to. Pakistan. So now I wire $21,000 and this. guy comes back in uh somewhere November. 1999 and he get arrested in New York but. he doesn't tell nobody. He gets arrested. in six or seven Albanian group of the. mafia. Everybody goes in jail only this. one get uh bail. So uh now everybody.

rumors how come this guy get bail? Long. story short, he doesn't call me. He. doesn't uh come to see me. He owes me. $21,000. So, in former Nick, he tells. me, "You have to go yourself in Pakistan. me to pay you the money." But he was. setting me up. Now, it's not I'm not I'm. 100% clean. I'm according to the US laws. and I'm witnessing today in this uh. interview, I was 100% clean. I was never.

dealing with heroine, never dealing with. Afghanistan or Pakistan. All I was. dealing with cocaine with Italy, never. with terrorist. So I was always used to. think if I give them money so that money. is going to support terrorist. So I was. keeping myself because US was to me my. dream place. Mhm. So regardless what I. do with Italy and gangs and mafia, long. as I keep myself clean with terror. group. So I don't mind dealing with.

mafia. I mind dealing with terror group. So this guy sent me to Pakistan. I'm. taking a first trip in uh February of. 2000 in Pakistan. That's my first trip. in my life in. Pakistan. I'm going over there not. knowing nothing country never visit in. my life. landing over there. I took my. wife with. me which is strictly over there bad but. I never took my wife when I was meeting. and now this informer has a good strong.

relation friendship with one of the. Pakistani wanted he's still wanted today. he's in still a FBI wanted list and I'm. going his name I can say it it's not I. don't mind to say it his name his real. name is Mir Kazim Sha lives in a tribal. area in uh Peshar Mardan it's a city. peshar near the Afghanistan border so. he's still wanted from early '90s he's. still in FBI uh he's indicted twice in.

eastern district court first trip. landing in Karachi Pakistan from Karachi. Pakistan I'm going to Islamabad Pakistan. in Islamabad I'm waiting for this guy. but this guy he knew what he's. wanted he was very part and he doesn't. come in my time. He called in hotel and. hotel tell me you have phone call from. guest and he said it's you. I said yeah.

it's me. I'm going to come and see. I. waited one week 10 days he doesn't want. to come and see me. And I'm calling the. informer. I said that time he was my. friend. I said he said this is how it. works. You got to wait only in his time. Then one time he he show up nighttime. He doesn't want to get caught up in the. cameras and stuff. He walks in. He's. known. Amir aka Amir but his real name Mir. Kazim Sha. He said, "Hi, how are you?". Good English speaking. You know at that.

time he was easy. I was maybe 26 27 27. he was for sure 40. 45. Said look you want to do this? I. said yeah I bring some money. I give him. a if I don't make mistake another. $20,000 cash to him. So for the trip so. he preparing five kilos of heroine to. bring it. back. So I took after one week 5 kilos. of heroine. How he did it? Sean it's a.

good. part. When we was sitting I start. hanging out a few times. I want to visit. him. I want he took me to Afghanistan to. see how they grow in the opinion. They. have maybe at least five six thousand. security those Afghanistans with AKs and. stuff like that. But I was clean shave. It's different than working for CIA. So. I was like clean western guy. No beard, no nothing. So it's a little big. different than when I work for the.

CIA. He took me over there. He said, "Look, we're going to plan this trip. But I want to tell you one thing. I know. I'm wanted in the US government." He. tell me straight up the first time when. I went in his house. He told me I'm. wanted from the US government. If I want. to be bad guy, I can send a bomb the way. I'm going to send you drugs and you can. leave it in JFK and blow the JFK. That's. what he told me in the first trip in. 2000. We talking when there was not too.

much uh al-Qaeda skin, you know the. al-Qaeda because you have experience but. not the rest of the world, you know. So. at the age 27 I meet him first time is. somebody who hates the uh US and then I. see picture with not just him with bin. Laden in a crew black and white picture. and he's in one of the corner bin Laden. in the middle he was a former Mujiadin. he was shot in Afghan war so he fought. with Mujiadines Russian war so he's a.

former Mujiadin against Soviets so he's. not young and We talking nice. conversation. He taking me in. Afghanistan coming back and I stay I. think uh around 3 weeks for Where did. you go in Afghanistan? Do you know? Uh. near the tribal area. We passed through. the uh Mardan we went to from. Beluchistan site and uh we went I went. far as uh Kandahar. We went to Kandahar.

I was in Kandahar. I was uh uh one time. I think uh we visited uh for few hours. Maz Sharif. Mhm. So we spend those. tribal area where it's always control. from that time was complete control from. Taliban. It's not Taliban after. collapse. So time when I was there was. control of the Taliban and. uh nice. I came and bring the drugs. It. was excellent. What was the point of you. going to Afghanistan? He just wanted to.

show you the fields and how is the song. he wants to uh bring me in. He wants me. to uh kind of recruit me in in debut. My. my interest was just to take that drugs. and bring it and get my money. My. interest was nothing uh uh be. al-Qaeda, not supporting terrorist. My. interest was to bring the drugs so I can. get my money and finish this. So I bring. the. drugs in a they bring the drugs, they.

pass the customs in Pakistan. They bring. it in a bathroom after you do the all. the checkpoints because in Pakistan they. patch you down when you enter the. airport. They patch you down. But the. police of Pakistani police, this guy has. a old connection. Police brings the. drugs in a bathroom. So one day before I. meet the police outside and I know that. police going to bring the drugs. So he. bring west with a wearing himself. So.

now when you pass the customs Pakistani. customs they open the luggage and they. put the tag that luggage is searched so. they don't have to go through and they. patch you down. You go the alarm. detector and everything and you clean. you pass the security before you board. It's a bathrooms. So he goes, the police. goes first. He comes and watch me and I. follow him. So he goes in one bathroom. He takes his west in the bathroom. He. comes out. I enter the bathroom. I wear.

the west in the bathroom. So I'm a clear. in the customs. Now 5 kilo of heroine. west. It's in my body. So now I'm just. waiting to board. When you board in. airplane, they check the ticket. It's a. uh it was screened the bag at the carry. on and they know they not they don't. have to touch it because it was went to. checkpoint but drugs is in my body. So. I'm coming now from uh Karach to Shannon.

and then from Shannon to JFK when I come. to. JFK I passed one time but first trip I. came from Karach to Canada Toronto. I never came back. What I did, John, uh. Sean, we planned the trip for me to. avoid uh suspicious because when you. come in customs here, they ask you where. you coming from. And if you tell them. you're coming from Pakistan, they will.

right away suspicious. But when you tell. them you coming from Canada, it's no. problem, you know. But in Canada when I. I come look uh Sean it's I want to just. uh to understand something very clear. you plan uh this uh kind of uh life in a. intelligent way you to avoid detection. you we planned this before how they the. government function was can avoid.

tracing you. So when you come in from. Pakistan to Canada and in Canadian. customs I said I couldn't get a straight. flight for a JFK I have one day to stay. in Canada. So you just, you know, uh, one word, you're lying to them, protecting yourself because Canadians, they think, okay, you're going to go. back to, uh, New York tomorrow, so they. don't need to ask you if you're bringing. anything, you know, you clean, just. transit one day. You understand? So then.

when you come in in Toronto, the next. day when the customs in, you come. straight because in that time in Canada, you pass the customs only Canada. When. you come in Laguardia, you go straight. in the street. They don't search you. They don't ask no questions. You pass in. the customs in uh uh Canada. So I'm. clear. I bring the drugs 5 kilo. That's. the first trip. We want to make How many. passports did you have? All my life I. did maybe 12 or 13. 12 or 13 passports.

Uh yes. Where would you get the. passports? It's very easy. Everywhere. Uh all like four or five times I had a. passport from CIA. Four times list. Not. those ones. Yes. Mine mine it's maybe at. least six seven times buying from the. people. They would just make them for. you. No problem. Any passports you name. it I couldn't get it. So you would fly. to Canada from Pakistan on a different. passport than you would and come with my. passport original travel document, US. travel document. I used to use my name.

so I can be clear. I will not show the. passport. I had a visa for Pakistan. because you know to go in Pakistan you. have to have a visa regardless if you're. a citizen or anybody. Everybody who. would travel to Pakistan you have to. have a Pakistani visa. You you have the. visas in passport. So I used to use two. different passports all the time. So would you go from the US to Canada to. Pakistan? Yes. Okay. So it just looked. like you were in can and then you would. keep that passport separate so it just. looked like you were in and out of using.

two different passports. Okay. Okay. And so how did you get how. did you get arrested? How did they catch. you? Oh, I'm I'm coming in uh May 2000. Coming getting arrest when I went in May. 2000. I'm going to make a short this. because we have a lot of story and he's. setting me up now. It's a clear I'm not. dealing. I'm going second trip because. those first drugs I bring he said it's. no good. informer telling me but.

informer saying to the FBI and DA I'm. dealing with Ben different Ben not with. Nick all the drugs he's telling the. government I'm not dealing with informer. I'm dealing with totally different uh. source but he's a double agent he's. profiting himself he's using DEA and FBI. he's giving information but he never. telling the DA and FBI he's dealing with. drugs I'm dealing with somebody so he's. only informer former. So he's profiting. from himself in a drug dealing and he's.

profiting from the government. paycheck. It's a double agent. Mhm. So. then uh he's telling me we have to go. you have to go back bring another five. kilos. I said come on man. I go I had a. bad accident over there in Pakistan with. horse. I'm not bringing drugs. two. different people bringing drugs from. Pakistan to uh Germany. In Germany, somebody else supposed to come. What. informer does him and his wife sets my.

sets up my. sister-in-law and my wife. So my. sister-in-law to come and bring the. drugs because his wife used to know my. sister-in-law, but I'm with those two. different uh carriers in Pakistan. So we. bring in the drugs. Then in Germany, I. see uh my sister-in-law and my wife was. in Germany and I got mad but there was a. last minute change plan. So he planned.

so my sister-in-law get arrested and I. take the blame. So now we coming from. Germany to JFK they're letting me go. through informer give information about. my sister-in-law. So now I pass the uh. customs then I see my sister-in-law get. stopped and uh my wife and that time it. was on my daughter with them. Baby, this. is one of the worst mistake in my life. I never forgive. myself. This is the worst.

part. And then I walked. in. I walked. in and I said to the customs, I'm with. them. I said to myself, I have no. choice. But the agents, the custom. agents played me very dirty in my life. Very unfair. In United State, you have. to have a Miranda. rights. The agent custom agent I I.

remember his name to the day I died. Jamal, he left the door cracked a little. bit and my baby, my daughter, year and a. half was walking around and he's in the. office with me, me and him. He said, "Sir, we have two, you have a two. choices or you to take this blame or us. to take your daughter to put in a. shelter to somebody. else." and I didn't know my. rights. And I said to myself, you know. what? It was a very hard feeling.

moments. I said, "Okay, let my daughter. go home. I take full. responsibility. I take all the blame." I. didn't do that trip. I said, "I'm a man. I will take the. blame." And they let my daughter go home. and let my wife and my sister-in-law. I. took that. But I was happy if I was. given right. No. But I was happy I saw.

my child going home because I make a. mistake. Every father would do that for. the. child. And I get. arrested, put in a. prison, sending me to. Metropol detention center. This is not first time in a prison but. regretting my mistakes. How far I can. let that you know I was meant to die. I.

was meant to be killed. I was meant to. be shot. But you know not to take a. blame for your. child. Every normal human being we do. that. And this is the part when I get. arrested and I said to myself, you know. what? It's okay. I'm gonna pay. this. I did. that. But we How old was your daughter?

Year and a half. Only a year and a half. She's just was walking. The oldest. one before in the drug dealing time I. was involved with KLA. We missed one of. the good part in 98 99. I went from here. to fight to help my people in Kosovo. war. One US bombing was in 78 days. Yugoslavia. I was. inside fighting for my people. I was uh.

also another war join Kosa Liberation. Army. I volunteered from US from New. York City. I didn't stay long 4 months. until the war finished. And then when I. came from the war I was very like. extremely good reputation like they used. to look me like I'm a killer. They used. to look me like. I'm two different wars men you know. One. in Croatian, one in Kosol liberation.

I'm very brave human. So now getting. arrested and not taking a blame, you. know it's I get charged with conspiracy. to import 1 kilogram. Were you a killer. of the second time? I was warrior. What did you do in a. war? Fighting against Serbs with bottom. of my heart with not even thinking. second thought if I have to kill I will. kill. Did you kill? It was shoot. It was.

shot. You never go to see victims. We. You never You always distance, but you. always shoot it. It's not It's a war. So. if I have the gun with me, I'm in a war. zone. I'm defending my country, defending my people proudly. Proudly. If. I have to do with two countries, I will. fight. Even today, I have no problem to. fight for US. I have no problem to fight. for my country. If they call me today, I'm volunteering anywhere, any zone. I.

have no. problem. I get arrested. I've been put. now in a prison among the middle of. terrorist. All kind of groups. You name. it. Hisbah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al-Qaeda, uh. a want to share one of the pictures. because it's very good pictures with I. have one of the pictures in a prison. maybe. uh one, two, four or five. different members of terror groups with.

me in prison. I become very quick muisin. in a prison. You become what? Mazin. The. leader of Muslims calling for. prayer and become prisons are run from. the Muslims. Every federal prison runs. from the Muslims. So I become a strong. uh uh leader in a Muslim community. I start dealing with the FBI and.

DEA cooperating taking my. blame. When I took my blame, I was. promised to be released in a short. period of. time. I got two years hold pre-trial. prison. So in. 911 I got caught up being in a cell with. one of them of four or five guys they. bring the bombing from uh Canada to LA.

2,000 million bombing one of the. terrorist was my cell partner I can. mention the name it's not a problem it's. a public information it's you know Mktar. Huri Algerian born with uh U Canadian. and Algerian passport, Rasam and Mskini. There was three or four of them. The. smiling bomb from Canada to Los Angeles. that time in 2000. So one of them was. myself partner and uh dealing with FBI.

and DA but you know now 911. become so September 11 I'm in a cell. with one of the terrorist but he was not. uh convicted yet he was only arrested so. it's a 2000 and 2001 so he got arrested. in Los Angeles bombing and bringing a. prison so he become self partner with. First flight hit the twin tower. I'm in.

the seventh floor. My room cell is. toward the Freedom Tower. You can see. both buildings, Hudson River, Manhattan, and Brooklyn. I'm in Brooklyn jail. So. this now the first flight hit. It's a. morning 8:45 if I don't make mistake, Tuesday. And this guy called me in a. prison. I used to be known Amir. Same. way it's nickname of the the wanted guy.

Shamir. I choose that name because Amir. is kind of in Arabic. It's a leader. So, so leader of believers. So now I'm. in a prison known prison name Amir. He. jumps on the bing band and happy God is. a great Allahbar. Allah Akbar. This is. from my leader. He's happy now. And I'm. looking, I'm a former KLA member. I'm a. very patriotic to United State. United I.

was 78 days bombing US Yugoslavia. Now. I'm thinking if I kill this guy in a. prison or not, it's my mixed feeling. How can be this human happy when I'm die. hard? I'm a Muslim, but I'm also die. hard patriotic. I love the country US. So what I do and I tell him habibi come. on he said this is from my leader and. he's continued dancing we watch in the. first uh plan hit now it's coming the.

second. flight in the second tower I witness. that because when I give some interview. I see the questions all this conspiracy. look it's BS I don't care how people. think I saw with my own eyes the second. flight I don't care what people think I. care what I see you can tell me Oh no, it's not true. It's true. I saw the. flight. What's behind is not my problem. What's behind but I know terror attack.

was I saw the second flight. So now I'm. staying with him in a cell. Next day it. coming from FBI and CIA counterterrorism. unit. Complete institution is shut down. I'm watching people jumping from the. tower. The both towers collapse. I'm. seeing all day. It's uh not the way you. see in the movie. I'm witnessing with my. own eyes. Regardless if I'm in prison, but I'm still my heart now. Now what I'm.

going to do, how I can pay back. They. start bringing lot of terrorist. The. first day in my life I met the. counterterrorism unit from FBI and CIA. They came to speak to me. It was. September 12th, 2001. They came to speak. to you September 12th and the very next. day. So next day. Mhm. So this is how I. start myself to pay back to the US. I.

said, you know what? If I get in prison. killed by helping government, I don't. care because I know I'm doing good. I. don't care how they're going to say, oh, somebody was uh killed because it was. informal. No, no. Me, I was looking my. side. My side was I'm I want to be clean. to the Americans. I don't care how about. terrorists and Muslims look me. It's my. point was American side. They came and. sit down with me first day. This is how.

my journey started with the CIA. From. that first day and then the first name. of the CIA ever spoke Sean Lind after. second day meeting with the FBI rings. I'm walking they open the common area in. seventh floor. I'm walking with one of. the Taliban. member in a prison and uh they call in. my number. 54820053 and I'm looking to corrections. officer over there quiet in a prison but.

the still debris and burning of the twin. towers is there because my cell I was in. J71 J71 is pointed straight my window to. the twin tower only Hudson River. separates it's very close view you can. see it. And I'm going to the correction officer. He's saying uh uh somebody wants to talk. to you. I said, "Okay." I go in the. council's office like a legal phone. call. He said, "Your attorney because. you have right to talk to the attorney.".

And this is how I introduced. My name is. Sean Lind. I'm calling you from a CIA. This is the clear conversation. We need. your help. Are you willing to help us? I. said, "Anything I can do from today, I. will do it." Right off the bat, he. revealed no question. nothing regardless. what how I felt that moment when my. child was with me. I forgot everything. I said you know what I am going to help. the US intelligence agency. No problem.

And I tell them anytime from today you. can count on me and I start dealing. They start bringing a lot of terrorists. from the streets. They're picking up all. kind of people from the street bringing. in prison. You know it was a that time. CIA was not prepared. The US agency was. not prepared for the 9/11. It's not. regardless how much they say. Look, Sean, I read in a prison. I will mention. the name. Maybe you even met the guy. The best ever two books I read was. Imperial and Anonymous. Two of these.

book he was uh Mike Shyer. He was in Bin. Laden's unit 25 years investigating bin. Laden for 25 years CI agent. I read both. of his book the best books in a prison. I read all kind of book. I read the book. of the George Tenant and that's the time. when I start it was George Tenanton. chief of the CIA and the chief of. operation was James Pavit running the. agency head of the CIA was George. Tenanton James Pavit was uh uh running.

in the uh. field agency. So this is what my first. step with the CIA in September 12, 2001. What did he tell you after after he. revealed that he was CIA that he wanted. you to work with them? What did he say? He said, "We need your help. I know you. Albanian. I know you've been through. with federal prison with prosecutors. We. not like them. We're different than. them. When we say things, we do what?".

And uh now we're gonna bring a lot of. people. We're going to need to find out. who's who. Yeah. Because Sean in a. prison when you're in the beginning, you. speak right away because you need help. and you like you're in the middle of. ocean and you drowning and you see shark. and you think shark going to help you. because you're drowning. So in a prison. when you get arrested, you don't know. the uh laws. You trust people and you. tell them what's going on. So that's how.

I got to come out through the lot of. al-Qaeda members, lot of people that was. fin supporting al-Qaeda given the money. You know, the most dangerous was with. the terror group. Financial is number. one. It's it's not hard to find a foot. soldiers. How much is hard to find. finance? So for the intelligent agency. was important to find out who's. financing them to find out the who's a. foot soldier of al-Qaeda. So foot.

soldier is not hard. They brainwash 18, 19 years old, 20 years old, 21, 22. Some. people they have a bad past in the life. That's how they brainwash them. But. finance they get from higher level. Muslims like business people who wants. to donate charity. So they want to know. that. I start dealing with the CIA for. year and a half. I was in contact always. with agent Sean Lens. So I hope when he. see uh this uh interview he will.

remember me. I dealt with him from uh. September uh 2012 to uh 2022 until I was. uh uh transferred designated to p uh. Pennsylvania federal prison. So roughly. 2 years I uh dealt with the CIA in that. time. What was what what what was in it for. you? Did they pay you? No, they was pro.

they was promising me they're going to. sh uh cut my sentence and recruit me to. work agent in a uh street after. What. kind of stuff were you revealing to them. while inside prison? I revealed a lot of the guys. For. example, there was al-Qaeda supporters. al-Qaeda financer. I met with a guy who. met bin bin laden after 911. So I met. with a group of Lakawana 6. They met.

with bin Laden after 9/11. So I was with. them. I was with Yemeni group. I was. with uh one of the his member who was. kidnapped from the in the Ajati coast. early 80s. I don't know if you remember. when the TWW uh uh pilot was shot in a. hijacking his member, he was with me. So. it was a missing uh body of the uh. Israeli soldier and they was trying to.

uh get the information but it was. something very interesting Sean uh CIA. uh was interesting to get information. from informers even people admitted in. things I'm going to give you a little. small detail in a short points you know. in Islam for example if you get. arrested, you can even say you're not no. more Muslim. They train them and uh it's.

that's only one thing I don't like in. religion. If you get arrested, you give. up all the information and then you say. to the agency, okay, I can be with you, you know, and then you lie. Then you go. in a street you become again terrorist. group in a terror members you know you. never get burned with terrorist group. even today I give you example myself. we're going to come to the points how I. was offered from ISIS to become leader.

of ISIS not a foot soldier a leader of. ISIS even being somebody suspicious if I. was a CIA spy they called me I spoke. with very high ranking ISIS leader. Wow. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. It's a more to the story. Yeah. There's. a lot more to the story. And so when. they would bring these guys into prison, how would you know who to target? Oh, I. was a mazim. They coming, we talking, we. eating, we praying together, we're.

reading Quran together. So now I'm. picking. They would tell me, for. example, I would say one name now just. his last name, Sarah. He was a uh a. Hamas lead member. So he he told me, "I'm not al-Qaeda member, brother. I'm. Hamas. member." So he never admitted to the. government anything. But he was telling. me because we want to know who's member. of al-Qaeda in a group in a prison who. member of Hamas or his Shia who's a who.

follow who's the first three generation. of Prophet Muhammad peace be in him. So. I found out I tried to find all this. information through communication with. them and that's how I was sharing the. information with the CIA. What other. kind of information were they interested. in? So they would bring everybody in and. then you would figure out which. terrorist group they were associated. with if it's a threat or if it's. innocent. If if he did something or not. If somebody was really innocent I would.

say look my opinion this guy has nothing. to do. He was just uh pick up like a. wrong time wrong place. he has nothing. to do with this and I saw people got. released not just because my opinion but. you know at least they want to you know. how they acting in a prison and if. they're saying something and then the. biggest part when I met with uh uh all. these uh terror groups members I built. my reputation the CIA advised me so it's.

they insurance was so I can build my. came among the group Sean these people. they talk if I'm in a prison with them. and they said oh we have a brother Amir. it's very strict Salafi he's willing to. fight against us if he come out from the. prison he going to be number one. mujahadin you believe or. not 98 to 99% of the correction officers.

in a prison they all used to think I'm. going to be future leader of al-qaeda. from the prison when I come out but they. didn't know I was a in the CIA side in. the government side my bear was up to. here I learn Quran I read Arabic right I. learn for at least four months Arabic I. become imam in prison among terror group. me why Caucasian to lead terror groups.

you have to be step off head to know the. Islam more than them especially. one day know I to the people who was. interest to the CIA I used to tell them. look they are they kidnapped my daughter. I took this blame I was not uh doing. this crime I was not involved you know a. lot of the fanatics when you tell them. you got arrested coming from Pakistan. they don't think you was coming because. you was involved from drugs they think.

you was involved with al-Qaeda so right. away the trust came out for me to become. very powerful in a prison. I was strong. in a prison community and that's how CIA. advised me build your reputation in. prison so when you come out you can be. straight inside of al-Qaeda high ranking. uh position. So there was a long play. right from the get-go. Yes sir. It. wasn't just sort through these guys. figure out who they are associated with.

It was building your reputation almost. eight years almost. decade and uh learning Islam a lot like. I can freely sit uh and debate with any. Islamic scholar I'm good knowledgeable. any Islamic scholar I can talk about. religion no different from al-qaeda. members not foot soldiers we talking.

high ranking al-qaeda that's how they. accept me by testing me how much I what. kind of knowledge I have in. religion. Then it came out very easy. using my family how they hold my trial. uh like a kidnapping. How long were you working for the CIA. inside of prison? from 200 September 12, 2001 to uh the. day I was released December and 2007 11.

December 2007. All these. years I work with the CIA. I want to be. very clear. I work with the FBI. counterterrorism unit. All the agency. used to come and talk every time. Anything Sean it was a lot of different. terrorist. It's a lot of different. members. I had. a from the Virginia group. I had the the. Iraqi war there, Ali Timi, Ali Shandia. All these they are in Florence,

Colorado. All these group they was. getting arrested after the war in Iraq. So it's not like just little bit Mickey. Mouse. It was a lot of groups of people, lot of dangerous people. So I was always. uh among the most dangerous groups of. the uh terrorist. It's not like uh. something small, not like a foot soldier. like Lacawana 6 or uh the the I'm going. to come back to the story in 2016 when I.

met the leader of uh al-Qaeda in a group. of five in the New York they got. arrested but we don't want to change the. uh subject from this part to the end of. the subject you know the story because. we're going to come out I as the leader. you will never believe what he told me. how he he wants to go become a leader of. ISIS was the reason why he wants to. become leader and why he wants to become. ISIS member. I I was in shock what he. tell me. I was in shock. We we talking.

in a prison where he told me why he. wants to become ISIS member. Why? He. wants to have a woman. He never had. woman in his life. He wants to go go get. those slaves over there, those uh Yazidi. and uh take hostage of woman in Syria. This is the only reason he become a uh. jihadist. That's it. Crazy. It's not for. religion. It's against religion. Absolutely. And I can show it to you. He's is now in prison in in a federal.

prison. I said, "Brother, are you crazy? You telling me you want to say fight. sake of God because you never had a. woman. I can date woman anytime you. want. You in America. He's a born. American. It's not a convert. He's born. US and he wants to become a ISIS member. He's a ring leader of one of the five of. the group. He said because he wants to. have a girlfriend. He wants to have a. slave. He wants to have three, four. wife, five wives over. there. I know the guy who uh shot.

another. jihadist just to take his wife. That's. not Islam. We're going to come to the. points you will never believe it. People. are not going to they're going to say. this is crazy. This is like you want a. prostitute. You don't want to fight sake. of God. This is how they brainwashed. them. Wow. Did you ever feel like you were. compromised in prison? Like anybody was. on to you working for the CIA? Oh, look.

at I will tell you this. I'm sitting in. a yard. I have a lot of tattoos in arms. and stuff. I have AK-47. And I have a I. have a tattoo rided from his Bulam. member is handwriting and I'm sitting in. a yard with a tank top and one of the. informers Albanian. He asked me what do. you have here? I have a AK-47 and it. says God is a great and I said that's. Bin Lad's name but he doesn't know. Arabic. In 24 hours son FBI come in my.

uh in a federal prison. Remember not all. the agency used to know I have I'm a. connected to the CIA you know it's very. strict control they don't share the. information it's not like a lot of times. I was uh uh informs used to uh give. information about me think uh giving. information to the government uh I'm a. terrorist I'm a very fanatic but I was.

linked to CIA you know I was never. fanatic but people. I was interviewed. from FBI in prison. I was interviewed. from DA in prison few times from the FBI. and this guy in the morning they calling. me. go RBNB meaning you're going to visit. the room and I didn't have no visit and. when I walk in to a VI. agents I'm sitting down my name is so. and so we want to know uh what kind of. tattoos you have in your body. They put.

me in a strip room naked. They look my. tattoo. They're taking picture of my. tattoo. Can you tell me what you have? I. said this is God is great. This another. one I bear witness there is no god but. Allah. And another part here I have a. Islamist religion of peace in Arabic. sign of peace. All this thing they. taking picture and I laugh I started. laughing with FBI. I said I'm sorry sir.

we keeping between us informer Antoine. give you yesterday information I was in. the yard working out he asked me about. this don't dependent with this informer. and I told him straight up I work for. CIA straight in a prison I told him the. FBI if you don't believe call so and. so and then they never came back they. said I'm sorry if you are like that we. apologize. They walk away. They took him forward. from the prison right away because they.

thought if I go back in the prison I. will stab him or something because I'm a. leader to Muslim community in a prison. Sean when I was a leader of Muslims I. used to have a bodyguards I used to have. Muslims. It was 150 Muslims. If I was. given order something to do in prison I. couldn't put the prison shut down. completely. They was going to do my uh. whatever I was telling to do. Mhm. It. was a time I had to prove myself I'm a. good Muslim. I had to beat somebody a.

few times, not once. Two times I used to. beat a Muslim. One Pakistani Muslim, one. Libanese Muslim because they had the. problem with a gang group. Now gangs, not to stab them. I was ordered to prove. myself. I'm a good jihadist. I had to go. beat them in a bathroom. I had to beat. them. One was bleeding. So I can prove. myself. I'm a fanatic. I'm a. sympathizer. I'm a jihadist. So, I had. to do that. And the CIA knew it. FBI.

knew it. I did that. SIS the best ever. in federal prison. I tell you this, he. he has a your past 100% because he was. with the Navy and. Marines, Lieutenant Lion, Lions, the. best ever man of American deal in my. life. Lieutenant Lion, I hope you hear. that. He was the best man. He knew it. Everything what I was doing with CIA. Every connection, every conversation I. needed, I was going through him. Every.

special things I was needing to do, special visit with my family, he was. just telling me, "Blood him, when you. need to do that, next week I do it for. you." That was the best ever uh from. American agency who treat me good. That's the lieutenant. lion in FCI Alenwood penitentiary. Let's take a quick break. When we come. back, we'll talk about what what. happened after prison.

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we're you're getting out of prison now. We're getting ready to go and I feel. like we did the whole feel like that was. a whole interview in itself now. Now we. get into the real meat. But uh I am. curious. I mean, what was what does the. agency think that now that you're out. talking about this stuff with a. documentary and have you had any contact. with them? I had one time. uh after I got.

my granted refugee I mean the status. from the. immigration phone call for 2 minutes. private saying like you don't have to. worry too much now about documentaries. and stuff just enjoy your life you know. keep yourself low. profile and and here you are. look at uh Sean on I'll be very honest. if I had to go from beginning I swear to. God I would do it from beginning it just.

the mistake of the. agency they promise you they promise you. the biggest problem I want to highlight. this the biggest problem at the US. government when you have a source like. me for example Mhm. give a chance to have somebody if I have. a question because if I deal with the. agent I dealt for a year and a half if. he make a mistake I have no where to. complain or to ask questions everything.

has to go through one Mhm. the best intelligent. You have to have. another second source, you know, to see. what's going on. If the agents make a. mistake, because I know agent, I was not. perfect, John. I mean, I'm sorry, Sean. I was not perfect, but I was the. best. When you said why, and people. wants to know why the best. Look, I was. not Afghani. I was not Iraqi. I was not. Syrian. I was not Jordanian. I was not. none of this. But I came out to operate.

all of these. places. I went I believe strongly if CIA. was still going on to support me and. work. I believe strongly I will go meet. the bin Laden. Not that I want it. He. will ask to meet with. me because I came out to meet very high. ranking leaders and you know in. terrorism this is how they go. The way. they got my record from the people in.

the prison families my name that's how. they go oh you know what the Amir let's. let me see what he is if we want to make. him a leader in Balkan to recruit uh. al-Qaeda members or how we can use. that's how terrorist work they desperate. to have somebody like me in a group it's. a white Caucasian somebody who have a. skills to pass any airport. Sean,

believe it or not, if you tell me today, can you go in this country? I promise. you, in one week, I can go in any. country you point. Today, the way I'm. exposed, if you tell me if you can. travel to any country, you said one. week, 10 days, I will be in the country. you say. I have no problem. I'm not. young, but I still my head works. Mhm. I. can do still. things. And the government agencies sometimes.

they have a issue among theelves sharing. the. information. We're going to come to the. point there was a issue with them. They're trying to recruit me again after. I came in US in. 2015. But they said a lot of agency has. to be in a loop. You know I was not. exposed yet. The biggest problem, the. biggest mistake they make with New York. Times. When president say this lot of. fake news, trust me, it's a lot of fake. news. Why? Because New York Times put me. in the first page. I was arrested for.

jumping something. I was never ever Sean. arrested in that. When they arrest me, I. don't want to come to the story if this. is like to the ends of the story. When. they arrest me in. 2016, it was over 50 agents arresting. me. Bin Laden didn't have that kind of. agents. Helicopter with the sniper was. in top of my car wash arresting me. And. when they arrest me, I'm reading the. names of the agents. They all from New. Jersey, not from New York. But in.

meantime, Sean, I'm meeting with head of. the intelligent of New York, John. Miller. I was meeting with him like with. you, with him and five of his workers in. my lawyer's office. Why would you burn. somebody who's meeting with John Miller? Mhm. Well, I mean, I think they keep that. tight to the vest because the more. people that know, the the higher the. chance that it leaks. No, I think it's more than that. Yeah. Really? What do you think it is? It's,

you know, agents agents they have one. problem. They like to cover each other. Even if you're wrong, they want to. cover. Because when I give information, Sean, I want to be very clear. It's I. didn't talk about. this when the al-Qaeda told me not to be. in a blue area in Pakistan. I updated to. CIA. Sean, I can tell you I was. communicating. worldnews.com. I had my code and. everything. And when I update CIA, I.

said, "Look, please tell them if because. it was in blue area a lot of Americans. I see because I was there. I watched you. know them. They don't know who I am, but. I know them. I can tell when it's. supposed to if it's a American agent or. not. Like you for example, I can tell. why you in that hotel. When I tell them. please share this information because. it's in a blue area. They're trying to. send suicide bomber. Believe it or not, less than I think 24 hours there was a.

suicide bomber and killed all of them. And he failed to update that. when I. came uh to uh provide the information. from the field one back in the Balkans. from the Pakistan he said [ __ ] I [ __ ]. her up I said why Chris I failed here he. couldn't update it that's why all those. people got. killed I was not spying in a in an agent. but if he make a mistake he should say.

you know what I'm sorry I was late I. couldn't update provide update to the. CIA this information. I did update it. from over there right away. I said, "Look at it's going to be tomorrow after. tomorrow suicide bomb in this area and. there was suicide bomb and I think four. or five Americans got. killed. So I don't want a. credit. I don't want nothing. I didn't. work this job because I can make money. I make money in normal life." Mhm. He. just respect me. Say, you know what? Let's help him. Why he got to go through.

the process of immigration when he was. working for us? I didn't want it to be. hero. I don't want to have a medal. honor. But at least you know I did that. I have my family here. Who wants to do. this dangerous job? It's very hard. especially when they start hearing this. story. Look, while I talk to you, I know. who works for the CIA today from my. country. I I found out in my way it's. nothing. It's piece of garbage. He. doesn't even know nothing. So you cannot.

have somebody in charge like that person. for example they take him to train him. they train me too I receive training too. I was trained from CIA I don't hide that. you know I'm capable to do anything you. tell me you want to do bomb I can do the. bomb is no problem and do you think. al-Qaeda don't want a member like me. even I'm exposed today they will take me. tomorrow even if I'm exposed until this. moment they will still take me they want. a man like me but why you want to avoid. to have to CIA somebody who can help me.

I couldn't translate thing. I couldn't. even decode the phone conversation. I. know how they communicate the uh uh. terrorist. So why you want to like make. and look it's it's a crazy we we talking. like it's very interesting part. I have. I had the sources I was receiving. information from inside of the job of. the CIA just. recently. Look at who I am. I received a. lot of crazy stuff from the CIA in.

Virginia. We talking from the base. How. what CIA thought told people about me? CIA tried to spread a rumor very bad. about me. It's not to be trusted. How. can I not be trusted? You burn. me. And then they said, "Oh, we cannot.". One of them said, "We we not denying, but we not uh accepting." You know, hey, I'm coming. I I show you the picture. with the Stinger missile. You think in.

US soil you show that picture and you. don't get indicted from the federal. prosecutor in heartbeat, but I was a CIA. spy. I And I don't regret that. Never. To the day I die, I'm proud what I did. And I told my kids if I had to do again, I would do it again. But please treat. me, man. It's I deserve to be treated, you know. Tell him, "Look, judge, this. man doesn't need to be in immigration. court. It's our man. It's not easy to it. cost money to train somebody like me. It. cost Hey, agent came from the from here.

to train me overseas. I was in a. training camp from the agent from US, you know. So you spending all this money. and losing the source like that. Come. on. It's not normal. We'll get to go. ahead. We'll get to it. But I mean, were. they paying you? Yeah, they was paying. me. They were paying you? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So it was a business. transaction that you expected the. maximum the the highest amount I did. receive one time over 40 grand one shot.

40 grand cash. and so I guess what I'm saying is you. are expecting more from them than just. the payment just the business. arrangement no not the payment I was. never accepting no more money just to. tell to tell the immigration judge look. he deserve to be with his family here he. did for his family he has a wife born. and raised here. Every country in the. world, Sean, they give a chance to. somebody. I did mistakes in the past. I'm not clean. I'm not saying. But I.

deserve to have a second chance to be. with my family. I don't need to be. arrested in a 2016 and expose myself. Mhm. They couldn't be low profile, give. him his papers back and let him enjoy. his life here. He deserve, he worked for. us. He put his life in a dangers to. protect us, to save our country. So why. we don't go and just give a just. signature paper. I didn't ask for. anything. Just a paper tell to the judge.

he deserve to be here. Let him be out. with his family. I was $50,000 bomb. 50. grand here for 5 years. And they. investigate. Sean I they recruit a woman. who clean my room my house I'm sorry. overseas and give her paper today. They. brought her from overseas. She was. cleaning my uh house in in the city I. used to I was born. I was alone. I was. paying her. I feel bad. Family member.

just what she tell them. I have a. weapons. CIA knew it. I love weapons. I. had the trucks. This is this room. It's. nothing. It was four times five times. bigger than this. Full of ton of. weapons. But we pulled with the CIA from. bad guys from al-Qaeda members. Mhm. It. was not my weapons. Was the initial. arrange Well, let's we'll get into this. Let's let's get into the interview. because I think maybe some clarity will. come to me on on that. But so, how did.

you get out of prison? First time or second time? First time. I. got I finished my time. You finished. your time? Completed my time. 8 years. And so 8 years and 4 months. Just to. backtrack the I thought that they had. initi they had contacted you again to. infiltrate the terrorist networks but. that was that was the long game. They. wanted to they wanted to start with you. in prison for a longer so I can be in.

this. Yes. Okay. So you get out of. prison. What happens then? I'm going to. the US embassy in uh. 2008 walking. in asking because before I got out of. prison I want to just so you can be. clear two times I was interviewed from. DoD Department of Defense 2 months. before I got from the prison they tell. me when you get back home you want to. work for us because maybe you're going. to look good if they deport you I said.

yeah no problem and what's going to be. exchange we'll bring you back When we. promise you, we do it. We're not. federal. This is always their word. When. we promise you, we're not a federal. prosecutor. CIA, keep the words. This is. what they tell me. They promise me. they're going to be bring me back. Help. me. They said you are going to be safe. for rest of your. life. You're just going to keep your. mouth shut. Not to expose anything. I. couldn't keep my mouth shut if I'm if.

you left me in the middle of. nowhere. I get interview. I'm going back. to US embassy in Macedonia, walking in. meeting Mr. Devon, the best ever CIA. agent I met. If he was in uh still. working with me, I will be maybe more. happy. And I hope you hear that. Mr. Devon, he's the one who I started. working with them. I did polygraph test. I signed the contract agreement, everything at the embassy. And they tell.

me from today you work for. CIA. You have a paycheck. You have all. expensive paid all the travels whatever. you're going to need it we are here to. support you all you need we need it now. you to collect information to see if you. cannot come up to al-Qaeda we are. interested to know if is bin Laden alive. or dead and if you work yourself in a. circle of al-Qaeda we'll be very happy. and we're going to help you and I said I. have no problem they helped me they was.

giving me money no question they paid my. vacation for my wife and kids in Turkey. and all these things. It's no problem. And even today, even today, I am very. grateful to the immigration. They. allowed me to stay. Today, I'm clean. with the laws. I have no issues with the. laws. Absolutely. I'm like normal like. it just the problem. I cannot travel. overseas. They don't give me no document. to travel overseas. I can be here enjoy. my life. I'm working, paying taxes,

everything. But it's still not enough. It couldn't be you know right path my. wife is born in race I have right to do. adjustment of status so I can become US. citizen my wife is born here every. country who has a wife citizen they. still can give a chance they don't. deport them my three kids are American. born my family is all American mother. father sisters brother all of them there. was even they passed away they was. American citizen so why you abusing me.

why you And I would never go in a media. or documentary, even this documentary, if they was not going to arrest me in. 2016. But they arrest me. I look like a. piece of garbage. You train me. You know. how much skills I have. What do you. want? And I believe I also believe Sean. sometimes maybe you know some different. informers they want to get the credit. They think maybe oh he going to become. terrorist. Never I commit suicide.

myself. I hang myself. I will never go. against the country my kids born. Never. ever. It's. impossible. So maybe informs spread this. rumors to the sources or maybe blame me. can be al-Qaeda member or ISIS member. Never. Sean again repeat it. I would. never I will hang myself. Never be. al-Qaeda member. No terror group. I have. a beautiful kids born American. Mhm. I. don't go against my family.

So, you get out of prison, you get. deported. Yes. How? And then you go through. immigration at the Macedonian embassy. where you meet your No, I have nothing. to do with immigration. I'm going to the. Macedonian embassy and meeting with the. CI agents. Okay. In embassy, meeting. with the CIA agents. How did they. contact you? When I go over there, they. put me in one room, small room. I give. my ID. He came down. He said, "Give me a.

half hour." He go in office. He said, "Welcome back. We know who you are." All. the details. He said, "We're going to. have to meet the next week." How did. they initially contact you? Was it a. phone call? No, I went to the myself. You went there yourself? I went to the. US embassy in Macedonia myself. Mhm. So. to see my rights to come to United. States. Yep. And then they told me, "We. know who you are. Come here." Then they. make a meeting next week with me. We. spent six, seven hours. They said,

"Look, we know what happened with you. We know what you did in the past. We. know what the prosecutors did, but this. is the best time for you. Everybody. knows here now. You got deported, how. they got arrested, your family, holding. them, this and that is the best time you. to be covered, to work for us, and we. can bring you back." This is my first. step. How I started with the CIA in 2008. field agent. Was there any discussion of. pay at that initial meeting? Payment.

payment I had in beginning was uh first. week I started with €400, €700, €1,200, then uh €2,500 a month and the. whole expenses. And they said we're. going to help you to be with your. family. Nothing more than that. No extra. payment over this. But they said always. we're going to keep you safe. And so. when did you take the polygraph? I think. after a month or two if I don't make a.

mistake. My first trip in Pakistan when. I came back just to see if I'm double. agent or just for the CIA. How long did. that take? It's it took a couple hours, 3 hours. I think 2 hours. One polygraph. One one time. Yes. You passed the first. time? Yes. First time I passed. Right. on. Not a lot of people pass it. I. passed first time and they told me and. they. told look Sean we're going to come to. the stories you would never believe what. I did it and even people they're going.

to say what are you lying I don't Sean. in United States if you make a story you. commit perjury you get charged it's a. federal crime I cannot come and say hey. this is who I am or this is what I did I. cannot come and say I was trained to. build a bomb so this way I can show to. terrorist I can build a bomb so if If. the federal prosecutors know that in 2. minutes they will arrest me. I said that. a few times. Mhm.

So you get recruited, you have the. meeting the next week. What is the next. week that meeting? The next week meeting. uh we signed the contract. It was three. agents, two male and one female. I. remember like today we spend like five. six hours or that day in the embassy and. then they instruct me first they said. build a uh enterprise in your city among. the community and then next trip start. using the phone contacts you had in a.

prison. I had her from Yemen, from Saudi. Arabia. I visited I went I was guest to. number one the strongest grand muy of. Saudi. I I was invited. He never knew. what I was spy. I was his guest. I used. the sources from family prisoners from. being in terror charges. That's how I. came out to build my name so good. Like. I didn't even believe there was a time I. didn't even believe they trust me so.

much. I said to. myself if I'm a sick or liar or. something how come they they invite me. so much? But I found out from the. people. I used to use sources you know. just to build my reputation they can. bring me in. And so what did the. training involved? Training. You said you received training. with the CIA. Yes. for first I was uh. how to communicate with people language. skills and um they advise me how uh to.

do uh weapons uh deal in case so this. way if the al-Qaeda try test you or if. you need to pull some weapons they teach. me how to do this to like we pulled lot. of bombs and explosives from bad pe guys. hands in the Kosovo in Albania too so I. took with the trucks, all the uh. explosive TNT, C4, you name it. Rocket. launchers, Stingers, all of them. And.

all with my hands. When the CIA took. them, they took like in a package like. all they when they bring me trucks, CIA. brought me trucks. They trucks, I loaded. the truck myself with my people, you. know, you have to take the detectors and. all this, you know, so not to explode. So I took one by one all the detectors, all the explosive we have mines, landmines, all this stuff, put it in a. truck and the CA took it and the. destroyer. And so how long was the.

training? It was a. like like I can tell you easy like three. four months you can put always training. when I meet with them like every uh. first week second week 8 hours 9 hours 8. hours it was a time three days we didn't. never come out from the place with the. CIA 3 days. Mhm. sleep day and. night how to deal, how to communicate, how to use the weapons. Three days never.

come out from the place with the CIA. with three agents and me. Where was it? Where? In Macedonia. In Macedonia. Yes. They used to have a safe houses. everywhere. Then they used the bone. steel in the military base in Kosovo. And so you get recruited in Macedonia, I. guess. You go through the training, they tell. you, they want you to infiltrate. al-Qaeda specifically. Yes. And they. tell you to do it through your previous.

contacts in prison and just to grow your. network even wider. Yes, sir. So, who's. the first person that you reached out. to? The first person I was uh uh. sentenced 25 years or 30 years in a. federal prison for supporting al-Qaeda. His name is Salim. He was in prison. He. introduced me in his family in Pakistan. And what did you ask him? Oh, I told him. when I come out from the prison, I'm. going to join brothers. The everybody. knew it. When I come out from the. prison, all the fanatic, all the. terrorist knew it. The first day they're.

going to deport me. I'm going to go be. joined jihadist. The all of. them. And who did he connect you with? with uh first he took me his brother to. somebody and that's how he started with. Beta Massud the ring leader of al-Qaeda. in Pakistan. So right off the bat it's a. second time. Second time. Yes. And what. would these meetings be like? For when I. went when I meet him when I give all to.

them they took all my clothes off. They. took me those with those motorcycles. They changed the car. They played. Look, I want to say this. or people can know. they I know sometimes they don't trust. easy but they they use word oh we we're. going to put you in a trunk because if. the checkpoint is police we are from. here local so if they see you foreigner. we're going to give them more excuse to. question us and to check us the.

Pakistani agency so I said okay they put. me in the trunk of the car for a few. hours I was riding inside of the trunk I. didn't see nothing roughly roads and. whatever you know then when they put me. inside I met Abu Muhammad al- Masri the. he's still wanted he's still in his life. because I was reading one of the books. recently for Abu Ali Sufyan he did it he. was a former CIA for 10 15 years after. 911 he wrote the book and I see his.

picture the one I was meeting with him. he put in a book he still wanted so he. was there it was another jihadist from. Bos uh Egyptian but born in 14 in a. Bosnia. He speak Bosnian. So when he. speaks I speak Bosnian too. So when he. talk and then he tell me brother you. still want to be with brothers. I said. alhamdulillah that's why I'm here for. and then he hugged me and he said to. introduce me he never introduced my name. to nobody only Amir or Abu.

Medina in so not to be known where I'm. coming from. So Amir or Abu Medina is. our new mujahadin with us. Wow. Were you. nervous at all? I mean did not at all. because I had the strong support only. nervous. I was just afraid not to be. leaked. So then I get killed. And how. would you communicate back to the CIA? Worldnewro.com. I tell you here is I. give you the detail. CIA never knew it.

when I was in the field. Sean, if I had to update quick. something, I used to call my wife and. talk to her in Albanian and she was. updating. But this is what I broke. This. is where I make a mistake because I was. told nobody can know this. But my wife. knew it. I told my wife, Sean, I told I. told my wife because I thought if I get. killed, they're going to think I got. killed in a drug dealing or something, you know, at least somebody to know I'm. working for the government, you know, so.

they can be one day proud. Look, my. husband got killed working for CIA, not. being drug dealer. So, this is the. reason I told my wife. So, my kids grow. up, they don't want to uh hear, oh, my. dad got killed in a drug dealing. somewhere in Pakistan or overseas. But. to be proud, my dad was killed because. he was working for our agency to protect. us to keep us safe. So this is why I. told my wife and then when I need to. update it, I give a quote to her world. newswr.com and I have all those numbers.

to click it and then she was writing. whatever I tell her in Albanian because. over there was more easy somebody to spy. on me if it's a different language in. Albanian. It was not Albanian. Nobody. was Albanian over there. in al-Qaeda at. that time I was now yes but that time. was nobody Albanian only me so I was. feeling safe and I was telling my wife. okay tell them this tell them that and. then she was going computer and updated. CIA never knew it my wife is updating. from New York City they always knew it.

I'm updating from. somewhere those internet cafes and stuff. like that but I did it also in internet. cafes I did update the CIA and I used to. look around where it's poor. neighborhoods I used to go like I'm. looking some Quranic stuff and then I'm. going to my website then I'm deleting. complete and I'm coming out but I was. always careful because you know when. when I first time I give oath I stay I. think 3 4 days if I don't make mistake. in al-qaeda camp then after 4 days we I.

went back and stay in a guest house so I. had a chance to. update there was like there was not. al-qaeda sean al-qaeda rec recruit me. the way I saw They thought I was going. to be leader to recruit foreigners in. Balkans. Mhm. This is was the goal, you. know, not me to be like a foot soldier. the way you saw in a Iraq throwing a RPG. and stuff like that. They was not. looking me like that. They was looking. me like to be high ranking al-Qaeda.

Mhm. So there was this the interest of. al-Qaeda in me and this is was the best. opportunity for CIA, you know, to have. me like that. And so what was it inside? How would. world newsws.com work? I will show it to. you uh if you want to later from my. phone. It was very like you go and you. click in world news comes news then you. have in a site log in you don't think if. you don't know the website and then you. have a log in when you go log in it it.

comes a little small place you put your. code your numbers 50 my I had a numbers. I don't want to mention that I don't. want to you know something exposed is. not good and I was clicking that again. was giving me another code and then It. was open me and those communication you. see writing typing and then logging out. and dis uh disappear everything another. option I had I used to have some white. papers somewhere when I travel and if I.

need to write it I will be write it if. they stop me I couldn't put that white. paper in a wall and melts everything and. you don't see nothing no more you just. put the uh white paper yeah everything. it would they be able to give send you. traffic through worldnose.com. Yes. And. they used I used to have also GPS some. places when I used to be in a weapons or. if I was in danger or if I was tracing. something or I want to buy something, I.

used to uh you know click it and they. used to know when I what button I click. it and they know where I am the. location. So it's connected. It was a. small piece like that. A beacon. Yeah. What did it look like? It's like a. yellow and black. It's you don't talk. You just It's a tracing device. Yeah. And uh has those buttons. If you if I. was in a dangerous, I will put click it. three times and they will try to help me.

if I'm in a dangerous situation. So if. it's something for location, I used to. just click one. If it's for weapons, it's two times only three times. I it. was a piece to click it. If I was in a. danger, so I needed help. I It never. happened. So I never needed I was never. in a situation dangerous. Wow. That's. that's surprising. That's surprising. And so you Okay, so let's go let's go. back again. So you get the training, you. meet with the head of al-Qaeda in al in.

Pakistan or one of the top guys in. al-Qaeda in Pakistan. And the whole. premise of all of this was they wanted. you to set up a new cell of al-Qaeda. where you're from. Become a leader. And. become a leader. Yes, sir. Become a. leader of al-Qaeda for Balkan. What did. they want that cell of al-Qaeda to do in. the Balkans? So to see if it's going to. be threat, if it's a threat to US. troops. If it's threat to somewhere, if.

it's threat, because it was planned. We're going to come. It was a plan. They. thought I'm coming here to. attack with few guys. For example, I. have a. today's now we saying they are our. friends uh like a new leader but I know. somebody was in a group you have in a. picture he was in prison with me got. deported. He would never ever be pro-. US. Never. And I'm I was close to him. like my brother and I know him like if.

he if he can nuke our us he will nuke. today but maybe today they think is a uh. now become a good friend is a freedom. fighter of Syria. is not he's a leader. of uh uh freedom fighters in Syria now. but he was al-Qaeda member he become. ISIS member and I I used to we're going. to come to the point I used to. communicate live from New York City FBI. was telling me to communicate with them. in 2015 16 17 no not 17 I'm sorry 2014.

15 16 I was communicating live I spoke. to leader of ISIS from New York City Abu. Omar al- Shashani live like the way with. you but through the uh uh uh signal I. was talking he begged me and I told the. FBI look tonight 10:00 I'm going to talk. to them and I give the number and uh. they they hear that they see it they. have we talk in 2015 he said please. brother come to us we'll give you.

anything you want we need you here this. is. ISIS. wow They taught you how to make bombs. Absolutely. What kind of bombings? With. TNTC4, all kind of explosive. I can do. uh uh with pressure cooking things, all. those, you know, homemade stuff. Mhm. So. everything I can do anything you you. name it, I can do it. I'm a good in the. guns. I'm a good with the weapons. I'm.

very good. I I can tell you I I use I. shot with you name it all the US. military weapons. You name it, I shot. with every one of them. Snipers, RPG, it's a piece of cake. You know, those. kind of weapons is nothing to me. You. know, I'm like that. And I love the. guns. So, it's compromise in both. things. Training that me and in my. nature, I love them. I cannot leave no. guns. And so your training was building. networks, surveillance, counter.

surveillance, how to make deals, how to. make bombs, weapons training, communications training. Do you want me. to give you one specific one time when. we was training in when we was with. agents in the field with the CIA, they. throw me somewhere in the middle of. crowded community and they want to maybe. three four cars of CIA to follow me with. their sources if they're going to catch. me. You never believe. Whole day they. watch me, they couldn't catch me. Whole. day they following me. You want me to.

tell you what I did? Second quick. uh plan of me. I went in a mosque. Now. they know me. That day I was with. tactical clothes with a 511 black. So. now CIA agents they following me. They. see me. When I came from the uh truck uh. pickup truck, they know me. Uh blaring. was with tactical and I'm walking in a. mosque. Now they're waiting for me where. I'm going to go. What I did is Sean I.

went you know in a mosque sometimes you. have those gabas you can wear so you can. be pray and clean and the scarf and. everything. And now all the agents this. is how they smart 10 or 15 of them. I. don't want to you know insult them. So. now they all waiting how I'm going to. come out you know with the black. clothes. I wear all the white clothes. I. took a scarf, you know, everything and I. walked out and all day I walk away from. them. They couldn't find me. In the. evening when we was a place to meet,

they all watching me. What? They're. going to catch me. They couldn't find me. nowhere. I'm just knocking to the window. and they got stuck. Oh man. This is this is the trainer they. had. And then when I told them now when. I knock the window I'm knocking them. with a black claws. They said please. tell us right away how you come out from. that location. And I put the you know. those clothes they become like that. And. I pull from out inside of my shirt scarf.

and everything. I said this sir [ __ ]. told me how you thought you going to. wear this so quick because I thought you. guys going to watch me with a black. claws. Did you was uh our training was. you know if you're going to catch me. Yes. So this is my skills. So I need to. do whatever it's good for you not to. catch me. This is what I did. Maybe you should be training them. I. think so. I tell you too. I think so. I. should train them. Who would have.

thought? They would have never thought. of a change of clothes. When we're going to pull the weapons, I'm going to come to the point when we. pull the weapons. Mhm. They was drunk. You can't believe we pulling like this. room weapons. Two or three CIA agents. They're all drunk. They couldn't even. talk. Imagine you make a small mistake. Whole the city goes in the air. Yeah. And I did all myself with them in my. city with American.

agents and then you don't want to come. to the immigration said let me sign for. him. Come on man. Mhm. Mhm. And so, okay, let's let's back to al-Qaeda. So, you meet with al-Qaeda. That's the plan. They want you to set up a terrorist cell. in the Balkans. They want you to lead. it, be a highranking al-Qaeda official. And so, where do you go from there? I go. back to Balkans, update all the uh CIA, whatever I went through. And then.

al-Qaeda thing, I'm recruiting. And I. did go I bring a lot of people. A lot of. people was interesting to be al-Qaeda. members but I give information to the. CHA. How would you recruit? Oh, they. very easy. Europeans, Balkans, soon as. they find out you come from Pakistan, soon as they see one stand, you've been. in Pakistan month and a half, they know. right away why you've been. there. They see money. Uh the.

recruiters, they thought al-Qaeda. financing me, but I had the CIA money. The al-Qaeda thought they helping me in. Balkans people like from the charity. because it's no paper. Mhm. You know. al-Qaeda cannot trace me while I'm. getting the money in Balkans. They. cannot trace me but CIA knew it. I had. all the money from CIA. All the new. bills whatever I needed they was. offering me anything. Here the money. sign here get the money. And so what was.

your pitch to recruit to see who who. wants to be al-Qaeda members? And how. would you broach that? How would you. start that conversation? Brother, I I. was uh uh I was meeting our Mujahadin's. brothers over there. Alhamdulillah, you. know, they're doing good. They're. interesting to recruit brothers, you. know, so we can fight this infidels. They're very easy in that. And. especially in the young generation, it's. like nothing. like really no look at uh. Sean today my country is becoming.

breeding ground even like 90% it's uh. pro- US country but two weeks ago group. of seven I know I know the leader we're. going to come up to talk about the. leader his leader was uh killed from the. drone in Assyria and uh just seven. members they went and killed the best. cop in city who was investigating them. in front of the house they should. execute him just two weeks ago in my.

country all al-Qaeda. members if if I tell you what kind of. threats I receive in my first interview. before crazy and I come out to even. investigate myself who threat me I. cannot even believe some people that. threat me if I was next to them they. couldn't even look in my face how they. would scare of me but they send me. threat crazy they're going to be hate. me. They're going to chop my head. They're going to chop my pieces in a in. a uh messages. I don't fear them.

Believe me, I don't fear them. I don't. have Look, I don't have no problem to. die. I'm not going to live 500 years. I. have a little bit to go. At least my. kids know what I'm I'm proud. I have no. problem. I will be hero to my family if. I get killed because I was working for. US government. Because I was protecting. my. family. America is not in a war with. Islam. One, it's a lie. two is with. Albanians. America is like God for. Albanians. So I'm proud to die for.

America. I have no problem. I will be my. people in in Koso. They will consider me. hero. I don't care for fanatics and. radicals. Group of people. I don't care. for them. They're minority. For me it's. important majority. Majority is my. people. How many people did you recruit? Well, I can easily say it maybe 30 40. 30 40 people in what time span? Easy. Like nothing. like nothing like a year, two years in in two years. But we're.

talking uh very fanatics like. sympathizers coming to try to support me. maybe two 300. And what would you tell. them the mission is? My mission is to. open the cell so we can fight America. here. I'm a uh I was uh appointed from. al-Qaeda leader. I'm. here to recruit you guys. And who would. you specifically target. those? You can see how they talk in uh.

places when they was gathering when we. was in a Muslim communities and I picked. the one the more fanatics when they say. openly we got to kill Americans, we got. to do this, we got to do that. Those. people I will pick all the time. So you. would go you would essentially be friend. go to parties. You you would you would. invite them for party political. conversations. show the guns all the time. I used to. show the guns all the time. Look at what. I have. I'm ready to fight. They used to. see or sometimes I used to record myself.

with all kind of weapons and I said, "Brother, you you want to see something. black and white?" Yeah. Here it is. Look. at the video. Oh [ __ ] brother. You got. all this? Yeah, I got everything you. want. But those are all. destroyed. But I used to buy from. different. fanatics. There's a lot of guns over. there. A lot of all kind of stuff. How. would you communicate back to al-Qaeda. from Albania? When I go over there back. always when I go back. Always in person.

They never use phones. I hear the uh. somebody from here said, "How this guy. communicated with the phone?" Sean, it's. a stupid question, man. There's no such. thing. You can sit down and make a love. story in a uh terror camp and it's no. phones. They change my clothes. They. give me own clothes. So you have no. rights. You cannot you cannot even smell. to have a some uh phones with you. But I. hear the questions they writing. Oh, how.

this guy communicated? How he used the. phone? They would never use the phone. I. did not use the phone. I did not use the. phone. I used communicate face to face. I was in the camp. How often would you. go to the camp and go back? Like every let's say if I stay one month. in Pakistan or one month in Syria, I go. back stay two three months in Balkans. and then I come. back. I remember I was in al-Qaeda camp. in capital of ISIS where they declare. capital ISIS Raqqa. I was there. You.

have a video life and you know how I. come to record it. I said look we need. this video. I need to record for. propaganda to act like I'm a visitor but. also to recruit people and they let me. rec record. that in a camp not outside in a camp. But this is why I'm saying no this is. where I use the language what the CIA. train me where I need to learn and how. can I use things. So you can tell them. look we need some video to show people.

to recruit who I am. If I go tell them. this is who I am and I don't show. nothing, how are they going to believe. you? So you got to show them. So this is. what I used to use skills of the. language so to recruit them and to have. evidence where I am. Okay. And so how. did where did you go from Pakistan? I. used to go back to Balkan, Turkey, fly. Pakistan, Turkey, Turkeyina, stay couple of months, come back, go to. Syria, go to Jordan, go to Lebanon,

Egypt, Saudi Arabia. Why would you go to. all these places? Oh, everywhere. fanatics, everywhere CIA point somebody. They used to tell me we want to know so. and so what he think. They used to tell. me who they was interested. They used to. show me pictures on them. And how would. you get yourself in there? How would you. get yourself through the reputation. through the through the imams in my. city? IS know now I did 8 years and 8. years and four months in prison. I was. deported. I was separated from family. I.

cannot see no more my family only if. they come back. So now they think this. guy is going to revenge them. He has a a. long history of in military two. different wars. This guy is not going to. play. He's going to go revenge. Americans. So this is the dream for me. to do these things. And so what would. the point of view I guess what I'm. asking is what is the point of you going. from Pakistan to Syria to Saudi Arabia. to. Iraq to did you go to Yemen? because I. had the sources everywhere. Yemen was my.

last trip that day. I was going to meet. Alawaki. Mhm. Before we get there, just. ask it. So, you went from Pakistan in. the Balkans to Syria was your next stop. Yes. Because I used to have a fanatics. in prison and through them, for example, I had a Syrian guy I go meet. Okay. In. Syria. So, these were this wasn't a. connection from the Pakistan cell to the. Syrian cell. This was all back from the. contacts that you had made in federal. prison. So you were you were working all.

of your contacts from prison to get into. all these 100%. And now did the Pakist. did the. Pakistani al-Qaeda cell know that you. were in Syria? Yes, they did. Yes. What. did you tell them you were doing in. Syria? Meeting the brothers I used to be. in prison. They have a family members to. al-Qaeda. and they had no inclination. No, because. remember only in al-Qaeda can know. somebody who controlled al-Qaeda. Couple. of men, one, two, three people where.

they are the cells and stuff. Not all. the al-Qaeda members know everybody. It's impossible. Never, never happened. that. So let's say Bin Ladino who was uh. running al-Qaeda after him, he used to. know for example who's who where, but. not everybody else. like we have a. Khalik Shake Muhammad bin. Alib Abu Zubed all of them they didn't. know all the members but somebody who. had the control it can be one or two not.

all al-Qaeda how did it go in Syria. al-Qaeda yeah when you met him me how I. go I go met the man who used to be it's. in a picture he was like my best brother. I when I saw him with 14 years old 13. years old slave last time in 2015 15 or. 14. I got shocked. He show me the slave. from Yazidi lady woman girl. I have a. kids that age. I said come on brother. This is sad. Our religion allowed us.

You are 45 years old. What do you need. that 13 years old? I hated that. Come. on. I have two. daughters. You're going to take 30. He. show me I I was talking to him life. He. show me the girl 13 years old. Imagine I go back tell my child my. friend is 45 years old he's having sex. with 13 years old. Come on. This is a. religion. Absolutely not. Absolutely. not. If I can kill I will kill.

everybody. I have no. problem. Religion tells you not to bother them. Religion teach you you take hostage. You. try to trade or do something, treat them. very good and with dignity, not to rape. them. I know the religion very. well. So they're going off the. religion. It's nothing in Islam what. al-Qaeda does. They're doing nothing. I.

tell you, I give you another example. Jordanian pilot got burned. life. Quran Sharat I very good. Two. years I spend only start the Sharia. law forbids to burn human body forbids. regardless your enemy what he does to. you. If you believe in God you have to. pray make a do a make a prayer to God to. change that thing but not you go. burn. So if you imitate the way they say.

you doing the way your enemy do to you. then you becoming just like them. So. you're not following the Islam, Quran. and Sunnah. You going against complete. Islam. So this is what they're doing. You were inside al-Qaeda training camps. three or four times. What what kind of. training are they doing? What was that? It's experience like small weapons. Like. for example, one time I remember we went.

in one of the places like 3 4 hours. driving from Karach there. It was like. very old uh those old houses, ugly. garbage. We were sleeping 15 20 of us in. the same place like like a sardine. stinking garbage you know and they was. shooting with RPG AKs you know running. showing some skills target all these. things.

What were the conversations like? How to. kill Americans. How to fight. infidel. Every word to fight infidel. How to kill the infidel. What would you. report back to the CIA? The way I was. seeing that everything the way they're. telling me that's how I the CIA knew I'm. a CIA. So I was telling they want to. kill infidel. What what specific information did they. want out of the camps? uh specific for example when uh uh when.

I meet uh when I met one this leader uh. who was wanted they asked me I was going. to meet with him they told me you're not. going to meet because maybe suspicious. you are a spy Sean he was wanted and I. went and meet him and I want in a court. against him in court US federal court in. case if he get arrested I can be witness. is against him. I went and meet with.

him. He couldn't believe when he saw me. like that with a beard. He hugged me. Now he tell me you're my brother. Now. you can fight with us. CIA didn't. believe. Another. thing I want to say it. I think you have. this passport or different one. Sean, I. was in Saudi. Arabia. You know when you in Saudi. Arabia, you cannot get visa to go to. Pakistan. Mhm. You have to be resident. of Saudi Arabia or citizen. When I say. to CIA they invite they calling me from.

Pakistan to go to to go to Pakistan from. Saudi Arabia. CIA said they trying to. scam me. Maybe you're dealing with the. lowlevel al-Qaeda or sympathizers. It's. impossible you to get the visa in Saudi. Arabia to go Pakistan. Sean I got the. proof. I got the visa in a Pakistani. embassy in Jedha. CIA would never. believe when I update them. I sent. screenshot. They thought it's a fake. I. took a flight from Saudi Arabia straight.

to Pakistan. They didn't believe it. I. said, "Sir, I'm in a Pakistan. This is. my passport." When I came back, I went. straight back to back Saudi and. Pakistan. Then from Pakistan, when I go. went back to Balkans, when I saw. documents, they freaked out. How this. Pakistani intelligence felt? two days in. a row I was interrogated. from ISI from Pakistan intelligence in. the embassy two days whole day they. thought or I'm spy or maybe I'm al-Qaeda. member I said look I'm here for business.

I'm I'm trying to open a leather factory. business I want to bring leather from. Pakistan to Balkans it's a. BS and I got the visa and I went in. al-Qaeda see I didn't believe even when. I show said how it's possible I said sir. We got to uh communicate diplomatical. way with them. How they give visa like. that? And I got it and I can prove it to. you. I went in Saudi Arabia. I met with.

uh Abuif. He was 9 years in prison with. for al-Qaeda in Saudi prison. He was. fighting with Bin Laden. He was die hard. mentor of bin Laden. I met with him in. his house. CI said how you got the source sir I'm. here with Abu. Safe I'm mentioning his name he was. eight years in Saudi. prison CI don't believe I was his. guest when did you start smuggling.

weapons. in from 2000 right away after uh I was. deported and so how would how would that. work so you're build cuz you you didn't. mention that until I thought maybe it. came later and you were smuggling. weapons from all these different. terrorist organizations and getting them. into CIA's hands to destroy them. Correct. Yes, sir. And so was that was. that part of the initial recruitment or. was the initial recruitment just to.

No. After I got recruit, they see how. much. I I'm having skills. I'm capable to do. everything. like there was uh look when we did one. mission I don't know if I give it to you. we was uh there was a seven agents CI. agents and me when we did one uh uh we. took the weapons and I asked I said. please I want to not to make me feel. good I want to tell me how I did this.

job with this. weapon one of the CI agent said I would. trust my mother to be with you the way. you did the. I will never be able to do I don't have. that kind of heart because I will be. scared if I make a mistake I will kill. myself and I did that. That's how they. uh spread me everywhere. They want me. now everywhere to be. And like I said I. mentioned I thought like I'm better than. James Bond. I was doing so good. I. didn't even believe myself. But you know.

what is the good. part Sean? When you know you have a. support from a powerful agency, you have. more will to do things because you don't. think you can get caught and put in. prison. You're free to do things like. you can read the instruction. I'm free. to do anything just not to kill uh. Americans or diplomatic or anybody. If I. have to shoot, shoot in the air. Don't. aim to the if you get caught up with US. troops, you surrender yourself. Pretend.

you're sick or something, but don't. shoot. This is how I was my I was instructed. and this is I did it. Whatever they told. me, I did it the way they told me. What. do you think helped you the most in your. mindset doing this? Mr. Deon. Mr. Devon. Yeah. The best. agent star. I can I can tell you he can. be running the CIA with no. problem. I guess the worst one. Chris. Chris. Why was he the worst?

The day one I got. shot, I swear to God if he was aiming to. Chris, I would jump in a gun. Me to get. killed, not the CIA agent. That's how I. was loyal. I swear to God. Never forgive. that. He left me like a dog. He was. there. Yeah. He left Iran. When they. come and rescue me, I don't see him. Never no more. And he he and he tell the.

other agents tell him you a new own from. today. Bullet wound everywhere. I. couldn't even drive the car. Let's talk. about that. experience when you got assassinated. What was going on that day? I'm going to. get a or when they attempted to. assassinate you. Let me let me correct. Before that uh before March, it was a. February. We supposed to have a meeting. We was planning to go in Yemen. In. November of 2009, I received death.

threat in my phone. November of 2009. And I sended the phone to Chris. I said, "I received this message." He said, "Don't worry. Sometimes somebody try to. bluff and threat, but it's nothing. serial." I said, "Okay." I was preparing. my territory to go to meet with Alawaki. February. He said uh Abu communication. never mentioned my name always Abu Oal. Abu can we uh change meeting of February.

for March 31st uh 2010 2:00 I said no. problem please bring your GPS. coordination the passport I had one. extra passport from them and. uh something I I track somewhere from. the weapons I said okay no problem and. bring a two picture uh passport for. picture size of yourself. I said, "Okay." I go like a rude usual. I'm. parking my car under the garage. Where. is the CIA safe house? Like super super.

careful like very good not to chase me. I left the house 6:30 7:00 a.m. Changing. two different cities. Sitting there, sitting here so to see if ever somebody. follow me. Nobody. I go to the garage. two floors under so if it's any tracing. device so not to track that. So I park. my car deep to ground down. I go I'm. entering the safe house. I see old man.

car in the grass and I greet him. He has. the white kofi. I say that you knowam. alaykum salam. No problem. It's caring. the flowers. Big building in the. penthouse. It was a CIA safe house. The. way you see me stretching in a stretcher. taken out. I see two guys coming down. Very calm me. I'm between. I open the. door, enter. And now I see they got.

separated. But I never thought I thought. maybe the. Macedonians entering and they pulled a. gun, shot me four time, not once. The first bullet went through my leg and. I collapsed pretending like because. there was not professional shooters. They're not somebody who is trained, you. know. I can see, you know, not having. skills in that. And he pulled the gun.

right to my head. Jam the gun. I hear. click once, twice, three times. All he. said they couldn't kill. me and I'm not moving. because when I see the way I saw them I. thought they are like not the guys they. have experience like myself for example. I can control myself in a shooting and. stuff like that I'm very calm not you.

know I didn't move I saw blood. everywhere I said let them go. out. I was. thinking let me go in a basement because. I don't want to bring blood maybe they. coming back and if I go in a basement. they will come behind me. If I go in. fourth floor maybe they come they trace. me and they kill him and me. It's a. moment I said to myself you know what. I'm going to. die. I'm not going to betray them. I.

don't want to think CIA oh he was a. double agent. He killed our agent. I. stay for a moment. Blood was not. stopping. I pulled myself quick. I. couldn't move much. I start bleeding a. lot. Like I thought I got the van here. But I couldn't even look my leg because. bullet went through. So I didn't know. where I got shot. I see bleeding here, bleeding in the back. Like it's a quick.

moment. And I went to fourth. floor. We used to have a court. If you. see newspaper in a floor in a Macedonian. writing, so that's mean Chris is inside. So I don't have to put the key so. neighbors to hear I'm opening the door. and I see Chris inside. And he said, "What happened?" I said, "I got shot.". He said, "Who did it?" I said, "I don't. know. Two. people. I'm going there." He pulled his. belt. He pulled my belt. He tied it up.

He's, you know, I stop bleeding and I. see he's calling for backup for, you. know, to help us and he's talking. continue. Our man is down. Our man is. down. I need help. Our man is down. And. I I can hear that he had this different. phone using with them saying we are in a. way. We are in a way. We're going to. rescue. Just, you know, careful control. situation bleeding and I start losing. the control. Then the I guess neighbor. saw the blood. The local police came.

over there and the secret police came. They almost clashed with each other. Local police and secret police. Secret. police supposed to be our friends from. Macedonia. So now Chris is talking to. them. It's our man is down. But he's not. opening the. door. And all I see when they open the. door, I see AK-47 right in my. head. Now I said they're going to kill. me because they see me with a bear. Now. he's a he's a white clean American. I'm.

with a bear. Now they're going to think. maybe I'm trying to kill him. You know. the it's a 10 15 people different two. different groups of agency. It's. like and I lose the control. Chris gone. They took me with a stretcher. They sent. me one day or two days in one hospital. And that moment when they came after two. days they give me stash of money. I.

don't need the money. They said from. today you in your own from hospital. That was it. Yeah. That's the worst. part. How did you get burned? It's a good question. A million dollar. question. Sorry. I've been through everything in. my. life. I've repeated many time today. I. don't have no problem to die. But to be. betrayed like that, come on. Central.

Intelligent Agency, the strongest agency. in the. world. You rush into judgment. You. didn't investigate. anything. Cameras. everywhere. Sean, I went after one week. Sorry. You want to take a break? Yeah, a few. minutes. Let's take a break.

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All right, Blair. We're at the safe house. You get. shot. I can tell you're very. disappointed at how the agency treated. you after that and abandoned. you. We asked, "How do you think you got. compromised?" I mean, I'll bet that's. gone through your head day after day. after day. How do you think you got. compromised? The way I looked.

at one day they did a passport for. me and the passport they did it it was. real my name but I was not from that. country. The people who did the. passport they stopped me one time in a. border for four or five hours. investigating me. Me I was with three or. four fanatics. One of them was arrested. for terrorism in the. border. Same people who came out to help.

us that day when I got shot. Same one. was there. Sean, you know how Balkans. function. Regardless how friend can be. over there with you, they still have. like a family like me. I have a some. trusted person. I tell look at I know. this. So I strongly believe agent make a. mistake leaked me my. name and they uh leaked the information.

to the. fanatics. This is what happened. So now. for him not to be. blamed I don't know what he put in my. jacket behind to the CIA. He can say. anything I don't know and CIA they never. asked me. So he could have said. anything but they never give me give a. chance to hear my voice like today. Mhm. I did nothing wrong if I have to start.

again I would die for this country. If I. was that day the guy was trying to shoot. Chris. I swear to God I will put myself. in front and get killed. Never. betrayed. Doesn't matter. This job is. dangerous job. I'm very proud what I did. I did for my. kids and I did for. us. And I say that early. All my family. are. Americans. Albanians has nothing to do. with terrorism.

At what point did Chris leave that day? Did he leave when the police showed up? Yeah. As soon as they took him. Yes. The. Chris left that moment when the police. two groups of police came. one's. supposed to be our friends because we. used to have a quote if it's friend of. Chris that's mean know they are our. friends so when they walk in that day it. was our friends supposed to be and after. all this I investigate I did research.

myself somebody who was trying to help. me March 31st he got killed May 9 after. month and a half him and three four. friends. Maybe he become victim because. of me. He was trying to help me. He got. assassinated. If you see the van, you. would never believe how they kill him. Because he was trying to help me to find. out who tried to kill me. How did they. kill him? In a in a minivan, they.

execute him. All four guys, not one. All. four of them. All four. My. friends in Macedonia. If you see the van, you would think. there was fire 10,000 bullets in that. van. He was trying to help me to find. out who tried to kill. me. Somebody's covering up. somewhere. Sean, I went after 6 days, April 7, my birthday. It's April 8, one.

day before my birthday at US embassy in. where I was recruited. I was with a can. I couldn't even walk. And I parked the. car right in front of the embassy so. they can see. it. I entered the embassy. Somebody to. came out to uh talk to me. They told me. in embassy you cannot drive no more that. car from the agency from the CIA. Don't. drive no more. Don't come here no more.

Don't come to Macedonia. You are in your. alone. And I tell them simple. How come. it's a cameras in front of the safe. house everywhere? How come you guys. didn't find out who did that? I don't. know, sir. I'm just passing a message. When I came from the embassy, Sean, in a. Macedonian border, I was threatened from. Macedonians. Agents, cursed me badly. Don't have an. effort coming in our country. This that. I'm a friend of Chris is telling me at.

the border. And I tell him straight up, f you and him. If you want to kill me, kill. me. So something is behind covered. So. what is something for I will advise in. this. interview intelligence agency, US. intelligence agency is the best but they. need to investigate the source. sometimes. It's nobody perfect. I'm not. perfect. I did make mistakes. I was not. perfect spy. But trust me, I was.

diamond. I operated everywhere. I was never. exposed. Never was nobody suspicious in. me. I did very good. But I was not. perfect. But agent maybe make a mistake. Why you don't question him? Why you want. to lose the source? Sean, I can say to. you this is I want you people to hear. that. Believe me, I'm better than 100. CIA agents. I was better than 100 CI. agents. I. was CIA agents. They can do job. Don't.

take me wrong, they are intelligent. They have a money, they have a sources, everything. But I was inside. CI agent. couldn't go where I went. Mhm. CIA agent. couldn't sleep in between al-Qaeda. members. I slept with them with 15 of. them. I was in a rocka sleeping with 15. 20 of them. Imagine one of them just. smell I'm a spy. They will burn me life. But I did that. But see Asian would not. do that. So this kind of hard I had. So.

if you have a man like that, why you. want to lose. him? I hope they listen and they correct. the mistakes. They always have a source. If they have a spy, let's see what he. said. Maybe the agents make a mistake. We don't need to rush to judgment and. just ban him. Let's help him so to find. the truth. What's behind who's. behind? I mean, unfortunately, that's.

just kind of how it works, you know? I. mean, they they recruit an asset to do. the dirty work. I mean, it's in the. outline, throwaway spy. Yes. And that's just how it that's just how. it works. But the best will be to make a. changes. You want me to advise you one thing what. US complete US agency government did. with my help one thing. good and I know I don't care they don't.

want to honor that Sean here used to be. very easy to make a US. passport I instruct them how it's. easy and I'm not saying 100% just my. help but believe me US passport rules. was changed because of me I teach them. how to change because there was piece of. cake to make a US passport. A piece of. cake two days you could make it. It's. not you and you can get US passport.

United States changed that because my. help I used to I told them who doing. that from inside job how they doing a. lot of people got the passport even. terrorists going get that and me I blur. him. I teach in that but they never say. that. They always that moment said you. did very good job but after who. cares I did a lot of things good.

but they don't care that's you say it. that's how agency works if they have. that they ban you this is how they never. come to admit or accept I I was in touch. with George tenanton two times from. federal prison remember I'm mentioning. that from j with George tenants twice in. 2003 and for two times with the head of. CIA from federal prison. So if I was. like that. person changing your agency, I don't. need to know that. But have somebody to.

investigate that, you know, make agency. stronger. We need sources. It probably. has more to do with blowing their own. cover than absolutely assets because. once your cover is blown, they don't. want the rest of their their. their staff, their employees burned so. they can continue on doing work. But so. in the hospital, you said they came to. you in the.

hospital with a stack of money. Yes. And. what was that conversation like? The. conversation was we're going to escort. you to one of the borders night time. They asked me to escort me to Albanian. border. I said no. They escort me to. Kosovo border. They give me the money. They said you have to be in your own. Don't ask to speak for with nobody from. US agency. You have to be safe. Then. when I went after 6 days or 7, April 7,

they told me to uh get away that car, I. found two tracking device in my car at. the mechanic shop under the car. Two. tracking device in that car CIA. purchased for me. And that's the car that they said don't. drive anymore. Yes. What point did they tell you have a nice. life? Don't go high-profile.

in after my immigration case uh finished. in 2022. So they were in contact with. you again after the. private no. name friend of Chris. That's what they said. This is a friend. of Chris. Yeah. Bashan, you see how I'm. sitting with you? Believe it or not, I. used to get the information from inside. CIA in this few years from the source. who's very close to the CIA.

American American not Albanian American. who's very close to. CIA. and the source told me what they even. saying about me. What were they saying? It's crazy. I. don't want to even I feel bad to say it. Why? Because like they use you. They use. you and you nothing. Like I don't want. people to be scared to work for the. agency after this. I don't want to use.

those things. They they want to make you. look so bad. And the source telling me. source is very close to CIA every day. with. them. Source who run Iraq situation. war. So they don't think I came out to. get to somebody who I can get. things person who. was planning in Iraq side in Iraq war 3. 4.

years and this is what they're saying. about. you. I said why Sean if somebody wants. me to be bad person maybe I believe. strong that. too they want to to have a business more. work so maybe this guy go crazy no. Sean I'm proud to be. American maybe somebody. has crazy ideas what were they saying. about you it's I don't if I say it it's.

no good people to hear. Did they paint you to be a double asset? No. Never. Never double asset. Like who can. do that job or it's it's it's bad to say. it in the air. I don't want to, you. know, because people going to think. then, hey, I would never do this job. If. they say that about him like. that, they're going to say that about.

me. Same thing. So they completely washed their hands of. you. Yeah. And then in one way or. another painted you out to be bad. Yeah. And then came back after after 2012, 13, 14. They still want to communicate with. me. They call my lawyer in New York. City. He's in US soil. I don't know how. to uh we can take him from US soil. And.

I told them, I told my lawyer, tell them. you don't have to take me. You tell me. where you want me to meet, I can come. and meet. I don't need your help. You. never help me to take me somewhere. I. came my. way. We talking after I got burned, after I got shot. Why did they Why did. they contact your lawyer? What did they. want? Because I think they was scared. something when there was a Belgium. bombing. They thought I knew what some. of those. guys and Syria I praised the ISIS. They.

knew it. I was in Syria. I knew it in. from 20089. They was bringing weapons. from Iraq. Sean, I was there. I was. witnessing trucks full of the weapons. This is what's going to be. But I never. knew the name ISIS because still was. al-Qaeda. Then they changed to Jabat. Nusra, Da Islamia. Then they changed to. ISIS. But it's same people. It's not. they didn't go away. It's the same. people. Al-Qaeda changed the name. It's.

the same fanatics. It's never different. I had very strong source inside of the. Syria. I spent three four months in. Syria and they found out maybe it's a. plan in US soil. I was communicating. with them. Believe it or not, somebody. got killed with a drone just because my. health from New. York. They tell me to talk to him and I. talk and they never say because of me.

they kill him. But after two days I. found out he's killed. But he was. talking to me in a phone in New York. from. Syria. But they never we talking 2015. If I was bad like that, why are you. talking to me then? So, it's what's interesting is earlier. you were saying all the communication. goes through corers, personto person, face to face. That's it. Yes. And now. we're talking about you're on a phone. call with one of the top guys in Syria. who gets killed in a drone strike. Yes.

And so when did that switch? When did. they switch from one ISIS uprise? One. that they was using telegram system. They thought they cannot trace nothing. It's Russian control. So they was. talking very free. just know one ISIS. came out okay in telegram it's that app. telegram from Russia so they was using. that and signal two of them and signal. too so we was communicating with them. through those two. things it was a time I told them what.

time I'm uh going to talk to them from. here from New. York and they. was listening the conversation Sean uh. viewers going to want to know if is it. true or Not Sean. If I communicate with. the terrorist overseas from US soil, you. end up in uh US penitentiary. You get. arrested in 2 minutes. So this is me. I. was communicating from US soil with. terrorist. If I was not CIA source, I.

couldn't get why I didn't get arrested. If I'm lying, you know, because people. look, you have a sick people everywhere. They come like one in Denmark. He worked. for CIA a little bit for a couple of. months and lunatic. He now I hear these. drinking and stuff. He was not Muslim. He was converted in Islam in a prison. But I was not like. that. I was strongly skilled person. Are they. aware? Do you think that you're coming. on the show? I don't think so. Are they.

aware? No. Maybe. Maybe this two three. days they listen my conversation. But if. they're going to like it, I'm 100%. they're going to hate it. I'm 100%. they're going to blame you. Why this guy. bring this uh uh source here now? Uh who. knows people how they going to think for. us? How it's going to be our image? Are they aware of the documentary? Oh, yes. That's what they told me. Yes, they. told me, you know, go stay calm with. your life. You know, you don't need to. uh expose yourself in that two-minute.

conversation. That's what they told me. But I said, I don't need advice. I don't. have no problem to die. I wanted people. to know what I did. I'm not dirt person. I'm not garbage the way you think. I'm a. normal human being. I'm father of three. beautiful kids. I go on live with normal. life. What did they say about the. documentary? They didn't say nothing. I. didn't steal here after nothing. Did you. tell them you're doing it? Oh, yes. Yes. And they didn't say anything. No, they. didn't say. anything. I told them I'm going to put.

the book and it's going to be six. episode movie also after the. documentary. I'm planning to put the six. episode movie. And I do still have a contact there. I. don't contact them. They contact me. I don't contact them. You know, we. missed uh Sean, when I got shot, it was. one more mistake in my side. You see, I. say it. I have no problem to admit my. mistake. I had a secret number. If I'm.

in danger situation, I have to call that. number at the CIA, which is Washington. It's free. I can call from everywhere. only if it's a dangerous situation in my. life like if it threat something I can. call that number so she can help me when. I didn't call my wife because I told her. if I don't call 48 to 72 hours you need. to call this. number and she called them they answer. what is the message related this is uh.

uh message from Abu and what is the. message I can take. She said my husband. disappeared and the phone after that is. disconnect and she tried to call again. No more ringing that phone. That's the. mistake I make in. this all these two years or 10 years. working with the US intelligence agency. and one time with the. weapons I uh the way they told me to do.

the weapons I guess I guess they thought. I was not capable to do in professional. way not to be dangerous. I did it good. and we changed the spot where we going. to get the weapon slash. It was a crazy. bombs, landmines and everything. And uh. Chris was with a crew with two three. cars with the CIA and I changed the. spot. He came in my city. I told him not.

in my city because everybody knows in my. city know me. God forbid one human see. me with this beard and six seven people. Americans with clean shave I will be uh. suspicious right away. So I did changes. myself. I switched the place. I told him. not in that place but through the. communication not the in a plan like. last minute and he got angry in that. I. said I got to save my I got to be safe. I don't want to expose me and you're.

going to tell me f yourself and you in. your own yourself alone. I changed that. spot. I did the job. Excellent. All I. did that mistake to change the job and. my wife call in the CIA. Two mistakes I. did with CIA. The rest never anything. I. was perfectly clear in time. Whatever I. was instructed to do, I went 100%. according to the instruction from CIA. Where would you procure the weapons?

I used to have Were these Were these. coming from Syria, Pakistan, Saudi? Were. they coming? The weapons in Balkans. They were all coming in Balkans. In. Balkans. All in Balkans. But the. uranium, it was coming from for Russia. through the Germany. We did. investigate and it was a possible. They. want to build the dirt bomb fanatics. They want to sell it to me knowing is. going in al-Qaeda's hand. There was a. lot of money involved and we was. investigating that one of the source one.

of those two brothers got shot. We not. mention the name because still they. investigating still it's under you know. I don't know what go what's going on. with government but they still are. there. One of them got shot I guess. because this issue and but he's life. they tried to assassinate him one of. those two. brothers. This is the issue I was. involved directly with them. We was. trying to put hands in that because they.

thought it's a coming it was a missing. nuclear head from the former from that. time Ukraine one they give up to the. Russians. So that he's still saying it's. a. missing. So they thought maybe that's. the part it's coming and it's coming in. al-Qaeda's hand. So the Russians were. selling al-Qaeda uranium. Yes. What year. was this? It was in 2009 8 or 9. You can. look in the communication. It's clearly. over there.

And you were involved in that? I was. 100% involved. How did that How did you get connected. to the Russians? Through the fanatics. They're the They bring Yeah. They bring. through from Germany to Italy to from. Italy to Albania. And so why were the. Russians involved at all? I have no. idea. It's a good question. If I know, I. will say it.

How easy is it to get uranium Russia? It's very hard because you need a lot of. skills. You have to be real professional. in that part to deal with that. Seems like it would have to be somebody. inside the government. Yes, 100%. Did. they get it to him? I have no idea more. I know he was there because we was going.

to. purchase. CIA was telling me, "Hold on. We're going to have expert to do this. You cannot deal. yourself. So if we get. that, you're going to be disappear. You're not going to be able no more to. work. So we have to have our man to deal. with that. You just have to keep them. whole. You buying. that. How much. uranium? They was saying it can easy.

kill half a million. How many bombs would this go in? Three. or. four? And they would have al-Qaeda. smuggle it into the US. Yeah. Do you. think that happened? Look, if is that plan, why didn't it. happen until now? And again, terrorists. need to get lucky one.

time, not all the time. Once They have a. patient. Sean, those people are no joke. Not. everyone, but the brains are really. smart. That's why they want me. in. After I got shot 2010, they begged. me 2014 to go back to be leader after I.

got shot. And the the best source I had, he knew it. I got shot, but he never. thought I got shot because I was. pie. He thought maybe our secret agents. they want to assassinate me so I'm not a. fanatic. So I cannot attack us. So maybe. it's inside job from the government of. my. country or. neighbors Serbia or Macedonia.

So they try to assassinate me so I don't. do something bad. When's the last time you had contact. with them with us? With the. agency 2022. That's the last time. 3 years ago. January. 2022. 6 or 7 January. 2 minutes. Cuz.

I'll tell you what's going through my. mind. What if they got in contact with. you to tell me that in this show? Ah, no. Never. To drive a narrative. Never. Never. Ever. I never planned to. come in your. show. I was watching your show. The best. show. Seeing you past, reading your. CV. They asked me to give. Look, I. mentioned New York Times. It's a crazy.

interview. Headline New York Times. number one. newspaper. But to come. here, I don't believe it. But if going. to if they're going to like it, I don't. think. so. Well, there's a lot of higherups. that want us at war. We both know that. I know very well and.

you know very well. Sean, if it's like. that, you saw the story. You seen me. I. can I don't hide what I can do. I'm tell. I don't tell uh people in the street. I. don't tell family members. But this is. who I am. So why you. don't work with him to keep him quiet? It's very easy. You're the strongest. agency in the world. You don't need to.

come and bow down and say, "I'm sorry.". No, absolutely. Just blur him. Stay calm. with your family. Here is. your green card, US passport. Stay calm. Enjoy you. They give in former Sean. They give a lady who was cleaning my. room. Look at this. I want you to see. this. Listen. They give a lady with four. kids. They bring her from over there. here for nothing and you not giving me.

she's a piece of garbage. Mhm. Loser. lady. She was deported from European. countries involved in the crimes and. they bring her because she was cleaning. my room. She told them, "Oh, he has a. lot of slash weapons and you want me to. funny thing joke." When the immigration. pro uh prosecutor asked me do you know. do anybody has your papers ever? Guess. what? I left envelope with some papers. This lady to touch it she did it and she. give to the immigration that.

information. Just me and you we know. this borrow correct right now. Mhm. If. somebody else ask us from outside you or. me told them. So that lady told the. immigration. That lady told the CIA, "Oh, Blair has a. weapons. That lady was cleaning the room. my house. She tell me how you got shot.". I said, "I got shot accidentally because. I don't want to. It's a family. I don't.

want to to be scared kids because. gossip." No, I said I was playing with a. gun. I got shot. here. She told CIA that lie. He got shot. himself. I never got shot him myself. because CIA helped me. Why CIA didn't go. back and say, "Hey, why you lying? Somebody tried to kill him. You telling. us he told you he got shot. himself?" Do you understand? It makes. sense to you. Mhm. She tell them, "Oh, he he told me he got shot himself. accidentally with his gun. He likes gun.

He he shot accidentally himself. I don't. shoot with left. I shoot I'm a rider. I'm not left. I had no gun. You know, another thing we missed when I was in. hospital, they came uh local police to. see if I have a gun power in my hands. They did that wrapping things with. aluminum thing. They do it if I was. engaged with shooting. I was not engaged. in shooting. I had no guns. I never. crossed. I crossed the border one time.

trying to show samples with. uranium to the CIA and they tell me, "Please don't ever do that. It's very. dangerous. And then one time there was. something issue with some kind of size. of ammunition we found and I I took it. I took it because I'm brave. I'm not. scared. It's not like people can say is. a sick. No, it's not sick. I have no. problem to deal with the weapons. It's.

like somebody do draw the flag. I'm I'm. good with the weapons. If you good. drawer with a flag, I'm a good with the. weapons. So this is how I am. And you taking a BS. from somebody from nowhere from source. who you had decade working for you. Decade. I spent from 91 to uh 2010. 9. years plus after that. communicating. Sean, you can you're.

super intelligent. Look at who's John. Müller. John Müller requested to meet. with me. I met with a John Müller, head. of counterterrorism unit, not the Asian. head of counter who met Bin Laden. John. Müller met Bin Laden 25 years ago. I met. with him. He requested to meet and I. went and see him. And I was after I came. from Canada after I got shot in 2015 and. two three different time I met with CIA.

and FBI in my lawyer's office. Not once. So if I'm bad like that, so why you want. to meet with me? If I'm no good, so why. you want to meet with. me? And I will not come in your show. I. will not go in immigration or nowhere to. uh put my name in the dangers and family. name in the dangers. If they was come. and said, you know what, we're not. saying if we make a mistake or not, we're going to call the judge and say, the judge, you enjoy your life. Get your. papers and that's it. They never did.

that. They're supposed to do it. They. they told me we're not like a federal. prosecutors. Many time not once DoD, Department of Defense twice in your. county, Pennsylvania said, "Mr. Skoro, we not like a federal prosecutors. We. are the Department of Defense. If we say. something, we we keep. that." None of. them. I I have to keep my loyalty to you. and agency, but you don't keep nothing. to me. We got to work something. together. I'm not interesting to make.

money of uh my movie and book and. document. Trust me, I work. I can make. little money. My wife works. My two kids. works. We work. Four of. us. It's not really money. It's no money. to the CIA working. Trust me. Mhm. You. get some money, but for me it's nothing. It can be for Afghani gokeeper. You know. those poor guys you give $500 or $1,000. I'm not. Afghani. You know, I can earn money in. proper way.

You bring in 200,000 Afghanistan and you. saying they help us. No, those 200,000. Afghanistan, they didn't help us. It's a. is stupid to think like that. It's. embarrassment. We help them. They give. up not to fight. They cowed. I'm using. this word. I'm sorry to use that. How. come they didn't find Taliban? Why they. left all those weapon over there? Why. they give up so quick? They didn't even. fire a bullet. They run away. We spent. 20 years over there. We spend all that. money. We invest all that money and now.

you bringing 200,000. Afghanist everywhere. What did they plan on using the all the. weapons that you procured? How did they I mean you talked about. landmines and all of that kind of they. destroy all of them. They took and. destroyed. They took it and destroyed. everything. Whatever I got it all the. CIA took it. with the with the network. that you set up in in.

in [ __ ]. Slovakia, the network that you set up, would they ever ask where the weapons. were? They was thinking I'm uh uh getting for. al-Qaeda. But did they ever want to see. them? No, never. Because it's a strict. rules. Al-Qaeda doesn't show nothing to. you guys. Mhm. I cannot that's a two. secret may if they ask me I would say oh. you a spy you working for.

somebody maybe you're working for. Americans or foreigner. agency you see the bathroom you have. downstairs I can say three or four times. bigger than that place I took C4 from. the terror group just. C4 two or three time least like that. bathroom you have full Mhm. Not just a. little bit full. Yeah, this with my. hands and all give to the.

CIA. I did never problem. I never caused. no damage. No, no CIA was ever hurt or. something. Everybody was safe and good. I did everything myself. How did you get back into the US? How I. came back? It's very easy for me. It's. no problem to come to US. It's no, it's. no problem for me today after 10 days to. be in Afghanistan. It's very easy. It's. all open. border, Sean. I always keep my sources.

I always have a friends. My good. friends, they know I would never betray. them. I would die never betray them. I'm. very loyal, but I'm not loyal to. terrorist. But I can be your friend. I. never betrayed you. Mhm. But not to. terrorist. I'm not loyal to terrorist. But to friends, I'm a lawyer. I can pick. a phone. If I want to assassinate. somebody, I can do that. I have a. friend. Are you saying that you you came. back into the country illegally in US? Yeah. Somebody drove me from.

Canada. There's no problem. You have a. open border a lot of places. And so what's your status now? Oh, now. I'm to stay. My status is uh granted. from immigration. judge. I have no problem now. I'm. legally uh permitted in US. I have no. issue no more. I have no courts or. nothing. I'm free. It's just I cannot. fly overseas. And what do you do now? I I'm a cab.

driver. It's a hell of a hell of a cab. to get into. Yeah. But I never talk to. the customers. You don't? No. I don't think they would believe you. anyways. Oh, it's not that. And I I I. meet all kind of people. Sometimes it's. interesting. Some people they want to. show off or tell you story and I don't. buy easy. I have more skills than them. I was a car wash owner for 10 years. I.

had a car wash business. I lost car wash. business because my bad friends CIA 2016. they sending me team 50 people to arrest. me in Brooklyn with helicopter with. sniper. They arresting like arresting me. like arresting al-Qaeda leader. I. couldn't believe it. What did they. arrest you for? For nothing complaint. And they released me. Complaint. What. was the complaint? They said the. prosecutor here I can give you small.

details. The prosecutor who arrest a. terror guy who was. convicted in US soil. overseas when they came in Canada they. thought I was going to testify something. against and the prosecutor convict him. with my source information and he give. credit to informers all my information. what CIA provide to him and then he went. against me saying he's a liar the.

prosecutor and then I go in a court in. front of federal judge. I said, "Your. honor, I want to because I know now I'm. not a mouse not to know my rights." And. I told the lawyer who was defending me, excellent lawyer. I have the best. lawyers in United States this time. Before I didn't have that now, I have. the best lawyers in United States and. they're willing always to defend me for. free. I don't have to pay them. They're. so good lawyers. They're willing to. defend me for. free because they know I'm honest. They. know I put my life in a dangers to.

protect Americans. They come the judge. said to to prosecutors are you going to. indict him? Prosecutor had no no. indictment. Sean if you re-entry to us. if you have all these pictures the. prosecutor will send you for life in. prison. So they didn't do anything. They. didn't do anything. And the same. prosecutor after one you know the worst. part in the justice department are. federal prosecutors. Because they work one year, two years.

They don't work to stop a criminal. They. just work to build a little bit. reputation to create experience so they. can be private lawyers to make money. because prosecutors don't make no money. So a lot of people become victim for. that the way I become victim. But thank. God judge make a right decision. I. really appreciate. I have nothing to say. that judge is going to be. I have a uh. uh I have all the recording like you see. the way I I I was talking to you today.

The judge didn't know I record all the. decision. I'm not supposed to do that. But I was so happy when they make that. decision like I'm a born for second time. because my kids was there. They seen. they know what I've been through. They. was all the time present with me. They. went in a pain the way I went. They. suffer with me my wife and kids. So the. judge said I cannot deport this guy. This guy gonna stay in my country. He.

she make decision. She was a lady. She. grant me. stay and I'm here. I'm happy with the. judge but I'm not happy with agency. because agency couldn't do that me not. to be here. Sean agency I couldn't I still couldn't. help the agency a lot of. things even after my assassination. attempt I couldn't help them a lot I was. more brain than them not for from all of.

them not like uh Devon and Scott those. Deon and Scott I dealt in the beginning. they was brilliant agents super good CIA. agents and the one in the federal prison. Lieutenant Lions he was former Marine. means it was excellent. I. will welcome to work again with them. But the last. one crazy. Would you do it all over. again? Absolutely. Even knowing how they. treated you.

Yes. With no. mistake, no second thought, just I will. put one condition. I want everything. black and white in a paper writing. the way agents work inside of the. agency, I want like that too. If you're. not going to have me to have that paper. because I sign on contract with them, if. I cannot keep that paper, my kids cannot. have that, then I will not. But if I if.

you offer me that, I would do it from. beginning. And you don't believe how. much this country in the dangers. today, you're not going to see that. today. You're going to remember my. interview with you after 10 years. How. much or where I see it in a country? How. it's fanatics growing in US? How are. they growing? Badly. I mean, I see it. I know they're. recruiting out of the a little bit. You. see, when I It's me different because.

when I see what they how what they're. reading, I can tell if they're going to. be bad to the country. You know when. imam tells. you hey you don't need to ask me all the. time fight for your rights do what you. have to do for your. rights that's mean he's instigating you. he's preaching you he's brainwashing you. you to do something that's. bad and the US agency failing badly.

another thing they have no control of. finance how much money they give us. government have a zero control and those. goes the finance goes in a bad people's. hand. You know why it's quiet today? Because they want to grow in this in a. fanatics uh ideology is this. I can easy. tell you that the ideology is a sick. ideology because they can they wanted to.

get strong with finance. So when it's. time to fight you, they can fight you. They're not making peace with you. They're just quiet. They're telling you, "Yeah, like a situation in Syria, but. when it's time, they will fight you. back." We help al-Qaeda and bin Laden in. Afghanistan. You know what the. uh the CIA agent, I read his book, uh I. don't want to mention his name now to. advertise him. He said we offer him over.

half a billion dollar to bin Laden in. his book. You can read that just to come. in a TV and said I'm giving up jihad. I'm not fighting against crusaders. I'm. going to live in Saudi Arabia. He said. no. I read in his book he was 25 years. CI agent in his bin Laden unit. investigated. That's what he. said. So same thing happened today. A. lot of breeding of fanatics is there but. the agency is failing. You know it's a.

joke. the biggest uh breathing come from. the prison from. institution. Crazy. You don't believe. it? I believe it. I tell you the way I. see it, it's crazy. And we're going to. feel the pains after 10, 15. years. But it's going to be too late. Sean, it's here. You ask me, it's easy. to get weapons. I can get weapons much. as you want in United States. Give me. the money. I can buy you anything you.

want. Anything you name it, I can get. you. So if I can get that, you think one. day terror is not going to get that? Of. course. Oh, I know they're getting it. We talk about it a lot on this show. I. see it. So look at me. I see that. What's going on? And I tell you that and. you don't want to source like that. Come. on. I can make a living anywhere you. want. If you know you I you want to. understand my mind what I think. If you.

throw me in the middle of Atlantic. Ocean, no. clothes, no money, I come out from. Atlantic Ocean with clothes and money. This is how I trust. myself. This is who I am. I don't see. movies, but I'm the person you dealing. now. I can do. things. I don't need attention. I don't. need my name to be there. I couldn't be very low profile like. before and do things which benefit you. and the country.

I I didn't got no. benefit. Did you see me how I was. emotion? It's 54 years old. It's it's. very heartbroken, you know, to come to. that. point. You betrayed. me. Why? You have a man. I can die for you. Why you don't just give me the hand say. let me pull. you. You don't need to drown. I can help.

you. I'm a normal human. I love my kids. I love my family. I did everything for. my kids and. family. Somebody who love the kids and. family, he would not hurt you. Never. Because when I saw that they. jumping from 911 80 third floor people. jumping I saw I don't care what they. saying with conspiracy. I was thinking. to kill that guy in my cell because he. was happy seeing that. I swear it was. moment. I swear to God. I'm telling you,

believe it or not, I was thinking to. kill that guy, that terrorist guy in. cell. I believe it. Come on. I want to. be happy. People jumping, people who. feed my kids, people who help me all the. time, I'm going to be happy. Never. religion. I will ban my. religion. If they push me like that, I. will ban. I want to live normal human. being. I rather be with my kids normal than be. judged like that. Oh, look at what he.

did. Killed innocent people. I don't. have to be in a problem in a war. War. it's a. war. War it's a. war. But not the way they do it. Kill. taking hijacking a plane or blowing. yourself in. supermarket. That's not a war. Yeah. Come on. Well, we're wrapping up the interview. Do you have anything in particular you. want to say? I hope right people listen. this. I don't want.

attention. For me, it's quality of the. people to hear this. I'm not against to. nobody. I'm against. terrorist. I was never double, never one. side. If I was double, I couldn't do a. lot of things until today. A lot. But I'm proud who I am. I proudly serve. this country. I deserve to be treated. just a little bit like human. Not too. much, just a little bit.

Well, I would agree. I hope every. everybody enjoys. that. Not taking wrong my interview. Well, they're going to enjoy it. Thank you for what you've done for the. country. Thank you for being here. and. um can't wait to see that documentary. hit. Thank you very much. I'm honored to. be in your place. It's an honor to have. an honor. I'd be very honest with you. When I saw you shows, I said this is my. dream place to be. The way I never.

mention every code in the banks and. stuff one day you have to put something. passport. I put my dream job. CIA. So this is who I was. I'm a Muslim. But my dream job was CIA. You might want. to change those passwords now. From now. I have. to Sean Ryan. All right. Thank you very much. I I. really appreciate, man. I really. appreciate.

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