Ben Owen & Ryan Dalton - Unpacking the Biggest Theories About Jeffrey Epstein | SRS #311

[music]. >> Ben Owen. >> Shawn Ryan. >> Welcome back, man. >> Thanks for having me, dude. >> What's 777? >> So, 777 is the address of our what is. going to be our treatment center. 777. South Main Street, Memphis, Tennessee. >> Oh, [ __ ]. >> Perfect number, isn't it? >> It is, man. >> love it. I love it. >> That's awesome. >> A a direct result of our last episode. >> That's all Is that the school? >> No, so it it actually was opened up as a.

brewery right after World War II, and. then it's it was a bunch of recording. studios. Like some pretty big names have. recorded there. It's I mean, it's in. Memphis. And the couple that owns it had a son. die from fentanyl overdose. A dear friend of theirs who happens to. be a cop in Memphis saw our episode. He came out, started volunteering. We. got to know him really well. He told the. couple about us. We got to know them. really well. And they're like, "Hey, we. got this building that you need." And. so, now we have it.

>> Congratulations, man. >> Thank you. >> I haven't heard from you in what, about. a year? And then. all of a sudden I get a text of you on. what looks like a little johnboat. that says you got arrested for. trespassing on Epstein Island. >> That's right. >> What the [ __ ]. >> [laughter]. >> What So, what. Oh, gracious. Give me a Give me a brief. summary, and then I'll intro you. So, a brief summary. All right, well.

>> as brief as I can make it. You have a lot of really cool people who. watch your show. And after our episode, a lot of those. really cool people, most of them in law. enforcement, started reaching out to me. We can get into the details of what all. has transpired since then, but one of. the results of that episode was that uh. student Ryan Dalton, former State. Department Diplomatic Security Special. Agent,

who is behind the website. epsteindied.org, was made aware of who we are and what we. do. He had this idea to go down to. Epstein Island to. get eyeballs on it again, to raise. awareness. Um. and he hit me up. Actually, he hit me up. before he had the idea of Epstein. Island, just wanting to know if we would. be willing to help him uh. run the open-source intelligence. investigations tied to his website. Um. and you know, for context, I'm not. convinced Epstein's alive. I'm.

definitely convinced he he didn't leave. that jail cell a dead man. I don't know. that he's still alive. I am convinced his network is very much. alive and operating though. You know, something that large doesn't just die uh. because. they say he died, you know, and one. person got arrested. Like that's that's. not how this works. >> Yeah. >> So, >> So, we're down to one person got a. biggest biggest sex trafficking uh. >> lead sex trafficking ring in the world. >> With with one two arrests. One. incarceration. Yeah.

>> Ghislaine Maxwell. Well, now three got. arrested. >> Uh. >> So, not for sex trafficking killing. [laughter]. >> And that was to be sure. >> Hold on, let me correct you. >> Just to be clear on that. I got arrested. for trespassing on pedophile island, uh. which is weird cuz nobody's been. arrested for being a pedophile on that. island. Um. >> Well, you know, they're all being. protected by the President of the United. States. >> Yeah. Or somebody. >> Somebody. >> Or multiple presidents. >> that's controlling him. >> Yeah, there there's definitely some some. weird stuff going on, man. Um So, yeah, I told Ryan uh like I'm always down for.

crazy ideas. You know this about me. Um. I wanted to go down there. I wanted to. plant a We Fight Monsters flag on that. beach. Uh and you know, kind of. symbolically reclaim that property for. good purposes. I was under the. impression that a billionaire, Steven. Deckoff, had bought the island. It was. going to turn it into a resort. Uh, beaches can't be private in the Virgin. Islands, so going on that beach was uh. an allowable thing to do and I I thought.

we would go down there, plant our flags, call it a day. We got a little excited on the way in. We saw his temple, which everybody's. seen Epstein's temple on that island. Uh, we saw that and uh. and kind of forgot that you're not. allowed to go beyond the beach. And so. >> Oh, man. All right, we'll get into the. rest in a minute. Let me give you an. intro just for anybody that didn't. episode. Ben [clears throat] Owen. you are the CEO of Once American is. Memphis a Memphis-based AI and digital.

forensics company whose Intel Foundry. platform supports law enforcement and. federal partners in OSINT uh excuse me, OSINT targeting and counter-trafficking. operations. Alongside your wife, Jessica, you co-founded We Fight. Monsters, a nonprofit working at the. intersection of anti-trafficking. efforts, community violence. intervention, re-entry support, and. survivor housing. Together, you've. raised biological, foster, and adopted.

children, including your Afghan. daughter, Arezo, who we spoke about in your last. interview. You also lead Owen Army, Flanders. Fields, and Black Rifle Co. and have. been involved in disaster response. efforts across the country from the. Uvalde shooting school shooting to the. Lahaina. I'm sorry if I butcher in that fires to. Hurricane Helene and beyond. Most. recently, you made headlines after. traveling to Little Saint James, a part.

of the Epstein Isn't Dead Campaign to. investigate the Epstein criminal. network. Just for uh context here, Little Saint. James. is Epstein Island. >> That is Epstein Island. >> During your escape from the island, you. say you were hog-tied, unlawfully. restrained, kidnapped, and assaulted by. Epstein's property manager before later. being charged with misdemeanor. trespassing. You are currently out on bond.

>> I see. >> Welcome back to the show. Well, how much. was your bond? >> 500 bucks. >> 500 bucks? That's it? >> it. That's it. Which It's It's kind of weird. that. >> Should have called me. I could have. posted that one. >> Oh, I was prepared. I took my money with. me. It would have been an honor. You got. to think about what we do. I've always. got bond money in my backpack. I I never. expected to be for me. >> Old habits. >> Yeah, yeah, right. Um. even the my bond was 10 times the. maximum fine for trespassing. Like So,

they were definitely trying to make an. example out of me, I think. Um yeah. The. It's a $50 fine for trespassing. Now, they can give you up to 30 days in. prison for it. I did not know that. Um but hopefully [clears throat] that. didn't happen. You know, I'm I'm out on bond. >> they didn't. try to cut you up in pieces and throw. you down the trash chute into the ocean. or do any do. >> honestly. >> do any ritualist satanic blood rituals. or. >> I was waiting. >> Yeah. >> Like I didn't expect to get kidnapped. Uh you know, once I realized we had progressed beyond.

the beach, I I knew that trespassing I. was trespassing. I knew I was. Um and so. I. expected that. Uh just. >> Let's Let's back up. Let's go Let's. Yeah, before we get. into all these different rabbit holes. >> Yeah. >> So, you got approached. Where did you. guys Where did you sail from? Where did you go from Memphis? >> we met uh on St. Thomas. Um we we got a. a ferry from St. Thomas over to St. John.

and chartered a boat. >> Just for context for anybody that. doesn't know where this island is, it's. just a little due east of Puerto Rico, correct? >> Right. Yep, it's closer to Venezuela than it is. the mainland United States. >> Okay. >> Yeah, down in the Caribbean. I mean, it's paradise. It's It's like heaven on. earth down there. Just absolutely. beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. Um so we we chartered a boat from St. John. and and took that to Little St. >> of boat? >> Uh I don't I don't even know. Like a. fishing boat, you know.

Nothing Nothing fancy. >> How far was the. >> 20 minutes. >> That's it? >> close, dude. It's close and that's That's the thing. Like I I I did not expect that island to. be as surrounded by people and other. islands as it was. Like it's it's not. some secretive enclave that you can't. see, you know. There's like helicopter. tours going on all the time, you know, but it's it's it's right out there in. the open. >> Mhm. Wow. >> Yeah. Did not expect that, so.

I guess you you you want me to walk you. through that day? >> Yeah, yeah. How many of you guys were. there? >> So, there were five of us in total. Three of us went on the island. >> What did the other two do? >> Boat. Took care of the boat. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Had Had Had somebody. >> I don't know if you like beached it or. >> No, there So, that was the thing. That. was That was like our plan. Uh was to you know, beach the boat and. like run up and but that There were too. many rocks. >> I'm a little upset I didn't get an. invite. I mean, >> I am sorry. I'm sorry.

>> I've done this [ __ ] a a time or two. >> You know, hindsight's 20/20. Next time. it's going to be me There might be a. next time. >> Not on that island, but maybe somewhere. else. We'll go We'll go find another. >> do it the right way. It'll be me, you, Scott, me and Travis Peterson. Like. we'll we'll have the right team together. next time. Uh This team This time it was. like the uh. the Memphis A team. All right. [laughter]. Um. couldn't get the boat up to the beach. because of the rocks. So, we realized we're going to have to.

swim, uh which we knew was a. possibility. I'm not a great swimmer. I. mean, I'm not going to drown, but I'm. also not a great swimmer. So, we had to. swim, I don't know, it was like 50-100. yards. And. our plan was still to plant the flag. So, I'm swimming with this 20-ft. collapsible flagpole and boots. And I'm already not a great swimmer. So, by the time I get to where I can even. stand up, I'm done. Like it's over with. And. like I've still got 20 yards from where. I was able to stand up to walk across. this rocky reef to shore, and like I'm.

just cold my legs are not working. They're rubber at this point. Um. definitely need to do more cardio. I. hate cardio, but the. need was made very apparent. If I'm. going to go out there and do hoodrat. [ __ ] I need to be. a little bit better shape on the cardio. side. So, we finally get to the beach. and like I can barely stand up. We got a. 400-yard near vertical climb to get to. this temple, right? >> Holy [ __ ]. >> For people unaware of Epstein's temple, just Google it. Like it's this little.

cube up on a cliff. And. while Epstein had it, it was like. painted to look like a a Muslim temple. It's like, you know, blue and there's. gold, it's got stripes. It looks like. something like. Yeah. Yeah, it looks like something you. would see. >> Israel colors. >> Yeah, yes, yes. Um. that's actually a very good point. >> Mhm. >> Um. and uh. currently it's, you know, it's all. painted gray and boarded up. And and I. want to be very explicit about this. We. had no intentions of trying to go inside.

the temple. Like we were not there to. enter any dwellings or or like we just. wanted to get pictures with our flags. in front of the temple and stick a 20-ft. flagpole in the ground, which we we. never ended up doing because we got. caught. >> Did you see any activity on the on the. way up? >> Yeah. Yeah, you could see them running. around and we thought they were golf. carts, they were ATVs. Um so, you you. definitely see people on the island and. at this point I'm assuming, you know, it's like groundskeepers, this deck-off [snorts] billionaire guy.

has turned it into a resort. So, those. must be his employees. Um. We later find out that wasn't the case. Uh so, we made it to the temple. >> [gasps]. >> We got our pictures, you know, with our. flags up there. Sean, I brought you the flag. Get the [ __ ] out of here. Are you you. the flag. Yeah. Holy [ __ ] I actually. had a bit of a This is the flag you. brought to This is the flag that went to. Stephen Island and was.

in front of his temple. And And Lars got. the pictures. Uh so, I don't know if you. Holy [ __ ] dude. So, that that's for. you. I accidentally left it in Georgia. Oh, you know what? I need to get a picture. you holding that. I actually I actually left it in. Georgia. And so, my business partner had. to go to my house yesterday and. overnight that to y'all's PO box at the. UPS store. Thank god it made it. I was I. was a panic attack. Um so, we get up there, you know, we we.

take our pictures of the flags. And like you can see the ATVs coming in. and they're coming deep. There's like. four of them. And like you can just tell. by the way they're driving they're. pissed. And so, I I was still unable to breathe or. really stand. So, um. I'm [clears throat] thinking in my head. like, yep, I'm about to get a. misdemeanor charge, you know. How long. did it take you to get up there? Gosh, 15 minutes maybe. Uh.

maybe 10, I don't know. Um. and you know, the two guys that were on. the island with me, uh. they don't have criminal backgrounds. They're former feds, you know. And so, if anybody's taking a charge today, it's. going to be me. Um I don't know how many misdemeanor. convictions I have, but adding one more. to the mix isn't the end of the world. for me. So, they were able [gasps]. to get back to the boat. I was definitely not. I ended up collapsing like on this.

hillside full of cactuses. Bro, I was. pulling cactus thorns out of my leg for. 2 weeks. Like it was so bad. Um. so. Sorry. I sit down. Okay, I mean I didn't have a choice. Like I physically could not continue. So. I sit down and and basically I'm I'm the. bait at this point. All of the security. guys are are coming to me while the. other two guys make their way back to. the boat. >> [gasps]. >> And uh.

like they're they're helping they're. being nice. I could tell by the accents. that I could hear them talk to each. other. They're Haitian. You know, I. heard them speaking Creole. We worked. some Haitian refugee stuff a few years. back. So. I don't speak Creole, but I definitely. recognize it. And so. when I realized they were Haitian, I was like I can probably, you know, make buddies with them, just tell them. some stories about the work we did in. the refugee camps and stuff. I couldn't. breathe enough to talk at this point. other than asking for water. So I hadn't. started that process of trying to make. friends out of them, but that's where my. head was.

So they finally get me up and after. multiple times of falling back into. cactuses trying to get up this hill, I finally make it to the trail up top. They told me, you know, "We'll get you. some water." And I'm thinking, "Okay, you know, here comes my misdemeanor. charge. It's everything's fine.". >> I've talked a lot about how important. sleep is. If your sleep is off, everything else gets harder. Training, recovery, focus, mood, it all starts. with whether you're actually getting.

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then she grabs the rest of the waters in. the ATV and throws them down a hill. And I was like, I might have a problem. now. Um it became [clears throat]. quickly apparent that that she's calling. the shots and everything those guys had. just told me is [ __ ]. So, I go to sit down in her ATV, which she. told me to sit down, and then she tells. the Haitian dude behind me to tie me up. I'm like, well, this is odd. Uh that's not normally what what happens. when you're,

you know, trespassing. Um. >> Did they have guns? >> Nah, they didn't have guns, but like I. was so gassed there was no resisting. even if I wanted to, man. And plus. there's, you know, six, seven of them. and one of me. Um so even if I had. energy to resist or or flee, I I don't. think I'd have done it at this point. I. also had no idea what was about to. happen. And you know, if I had known what was coming, I would. have found the energy to somehow resist. or run. Um. So, the Haitian that tied me up was the.

one I had started trying to make buddies. with. He's sitting behind me and he's, you know, through the little gap in the. seat just puts a rope kind of loosely. around my hands. Um and then so I'm like. thinking, you know, this isn't the end. of the world, it's no big deal, whatever. I'm going to, you know, wait. on the police to come and. no big deal. And so, she drives us down to the dock. And I. know now who she is. Her name's Emery. Pelion. And I'll I'll explain more about. who she is here in a bit.

Um. They drive us down to the dock. Um once. I'm at the dock, a Hispanic dude comes. up and. tightens the ropes on my wrists behind. me. And then they tie me to a pole on. the dock. And then he ties my feet. And I'm like, this is getting weirder. and weirder, right? But. in my mind, I'm sitting on this dock. waiting on the police because the police. have to come to the dock to get me, right? And I'm expecting, you know, police to come, give me a misdemeanor. citation. I'm I'm trying to figure out.

like, well, how am I going to get back. to St. John? I don't have a phone. I've. got nothing. I have absolutely nothing. on me. I'm I've got boots and my We. Fight Monsters bathing suit. I didn't. have a shirt. And it was hot. Like I was. I was roasting. Um. Emery gets a phone call about this time. Um I've probably been Who? Emery? The black female that was driving the. ATV. Uh. so. I've probably been tied up for about an. hour.

Maybe 30 minutes at this point. I don't know. Time was elusive. Uh I was. definitely. you know, heat exhaustion was setting. in. Uh. dehydrated as hell. I inhaled a bunch of. sea water on the way up. And then. obviously that huge physical exertion. trying to get up there and then get. away. Um. She gets phone call and she answers on. speaker and calls the woman on the other. end mom. And I'm like that is very strange. What. is going on? Um. And mom tells her to.

duct tape me and put me in the dungeon. And I'm thinking in my head that what an. awful choice of words. for somebody who works for a billionaire. trying to rebrand this island from what. it used to be. Why would you call it the. dungeon? That is a strange thing to say. Um. And. >> Well, that's strange. Her mom? >> Right. Her mom. Um.

And I'm thinking in my head like this. lady's just trying to scare me. Uh and. you know, they're they're taking. pictures of me the whole time and I was. not about to let them know I was. freaking Yes. I would smile at them like. you know, I'm trying to irritate them a. little bit but also let them know like. I'm I'm good. You might remember from last time we. talked that this was not the first time. I've been kidnapped. >> Mhm. Mhm. >> And so. I'm trying to stay as calm as I possibly. can. I actually was pretty damn calm at. this point. You know, uh no big deal. I'm getting a.

misdemeanor citation. I just got to sit. through this [ __ ] while these people. harass me until the police get there. So, uh. >> What you see your. your buddies? >> No, they were long gone. They were long. They had to be. >> Okay. >> Uh because of their backgrounds and. lines of work they're in today, a. trespassing charge is going to harm. their livelihood, I I would suspect. You know my background. You think I care. about another misdemeanor? I really You. know.

Um. thank god I'm not a felon and I knew I. wasn't facing any felony here, but a. misdemeanor, who cares, man? That's what I'm thinking at the time. I. didn't realize in that moment that the. Virgin Islands can actually give you 30. days in prison for misdemeanor. trespassing. I thought it was a. citation. I was wrong. Uh so, hindsight. being 20/20, I probably should have. researched that a little bit more. Um. So, they She gets off the phone with mom and. uh the Haitians and the Hispanic dude go.

to look for duct tape, which they can't. find, but they did find flex cuffs. And it's like the third red flag. Why. the [ __ ] do you have flex cuffs on. Epstein Island? So, they put me, you. know, the zip tie me. I've got flex. cuffs, half-inch zip ties, and a rope at. this point. Um. And they tell me. to go to the ATV. Well, this dock's. like, I don't know, 50 yd long. and I'm hobbled. And they make me start. hopping down this dock to the very last.

ATV in the line. to transport me somewhere else. You remember monkey [ __ ] that you. used to have doing PT? >> No. >> So, >> Maybe. >> Let me demonstrate it. The the the. monkey [ __ ] drill, you get hold of. your ankles like this. >> Oh, [ __ ]. >> basically what I'm doing for 50 yd down. this dock. I've got like, I don't know, a foot between me and this row of ATVs. of dock to hop on and the ocean on the. other side of me. And I'm positive I'm. going to fall in. And she start Emery.

starts joking, you know, maybe they. should just kick me in since I'm so. thirsty. And I'm like, these. [ __ ] about to try to make me. drown. So, I'm still hardly able to breathe, uh. like terribly dehydrated. Like all I can. think about is only water. And I'm having to do monkey [ __ ] down. this whole ass dock. to get to their ATVs so they can take me. to wherever they're going to take me, to. the dungeon is what they called it. And. again, I'm still thinking they're just. trying to scare me.

Well, we get to the dungeon and uh. I quickly realize like they weren't. trying to scare me. They legit have a. dungeon. Um. I think we gave Laura a sky view, satellite view for Google Earth of this. thing. It's like this door in the middle. of a hillside. The roof is grass, you. know. And inside it's like this 10 by 20. dungeon. Like there's nothing It's just. a cement room. The optics I'm I'm thinking at this.

point in time. >> room? >> Right. Yeah. But see, I had no idea at this point who. these people were. So, none of this is. clicking in my head really. Like I know I'm on Epstein Island. Um I. know the history. Uh but. I wasn't nearly as freaked out as I. should have been, right? >> I know. >> Um. They they throw me in this room. It's. like 120° in there. Uh. and. they come add duct tape now to my. ankles, my knees.

Mom calls again, and they keep answering. this [ __ ] on speaker phone. Um just I'm. I'm positive they're trying to like. psyop me and terrify me even more. And she tells them to make sure I'm in. the corner of that room so that the. breeze from the doorway cannot reach me. And I'm dreading that happening because. the breeze felt like the only thing. that's keeping me conscious. She tells. them to continue denying me water. Um. I hear her say over the phone, "If it. was up to me, I would just shoot every.

one of these motherfuckers.". The Haitians keep referring to the woman. on the other end of the phone as the. owner, the owner, the owner. Emery. leaves. I'm trying to talk to the. Haitians like, "Please give me some. water. Please give me some water.". Um and they're like, "Look, if you think. this one's bad, just wait till the owner. gets here." So, repeated references made. to the owner. So, I'm I'm still thinking. like the owner is Steven Deckoff and. maybe they're talking about his wife or. something. Um. I don't know how many hours have passed. at this point, but it was a bunch. Um.

Finally, the owner shows up, uh who I later. figured out was mom, who was on the. phone with Emery every time. She comes. like. Emery had come back and given me water. Like I had been trying to work, you. know, my magic on human connection with. her and the Haitians this whole time, and I think it finally started paying. off a little bit because she did come. back with ice cold water. Um. And you know, she poured it in my mouth.

for me, and it was like a different. persona than the Emery that had had me. down there, you know, near near the. beach. And like you could tell she was. angry as [ __ ] in the beginning. Um. So, mom gets there. Now I know who mom is. today. I did not at that moment. Her. name is Anne Rodriguez. And she is Emery Pellion's mother. Um She gets there. furious. Just and I don't understand why. she's so mad. Uh like all I've.

I was just going to take a picture and. leave the island. >> Mhm. >> We weren't even trying to interact with. people. They were hundreds of yards away. uh until they saw us and came to us. Like I. I I know. I was trespassing. I'm I'm aware of. that, but the level of vitriol coming. from this woman towards me made zero. sense to me at the time. Um Is she the legit owner? I don't know. I don't know. We'll get there. Uh, well, no, let's get there now. I'll. tell you who she is.

Uh, she was Jeffrey Epstein's property. manager. In other words, >> How do you know that? >> The files. The Epstein files. >> Oh, [ __ ]. >> If you search her name in there, it. returns 23,000 results. And. >> 23,000? >> 23,000 results. Um, you know, a lot of. emails of her calling Jeffrey boss man. Emails of her handling flights and. lodging for females. Um, like she was managing logistics and um, maintenance, security.

Uh, to say that a different way. The whole. [ __ ] thing and she's just running. around out there. >> Right. >> To say it a different way, >> Not detained. What? >> Nothing. >> [ __ ]. >> And and apparently kidnapping people. Uh, so the Haitians she blindfolds me. and at this point I do get I start. getting a little scared. You know, I may have watched an ISIS. beheading video or two too many because. when the blindfold went on I was like, [ __ ] I'm about to get executed. You. know, um,

and. more time passes. At this point panic. sets in cuz I have like I'm convinced. they're going to kill me. I still don't. know what I just told you. I don't know. that she's Epstein's property manager. I don't know that Emmy Palante, I I. don't know any of that at this point. I. just know I'm tied up in a room that. this lady calls the dungeon. Side note, the woman that ran the island for. Jeffrey Epstein called that the dungeon. That that's scary. >> Mhm. >> That's scary. >> Mhm.

>> So, I don't know how much time has. passed. Several hours I've been in this. dungeon. Um, I hear the door open. Uh, I hear a camera start clicking. And now I'm convinced here comes the. beheading, you know, they're going to. record it in 4K. Uh, and. hand goes in the back of my head and. rips my blindfold off. I'm like, yep, here it comes. They're going to take. blindfold off and just cut off my head, you know. And instead of that happening, I'm. looking at a Virgin Islands Police. Department detective with an evidence. camera. and.

I just got the biggest shit-eating grin. on my face. I was like, I am so glad to. see you. Like knowing I'm probably about to get. arrested, but God, I was glad cuz. whatever has been happening is finally. over. So, I thought. I hear a lot of commotion outside the. dungeon. The cop with the evidence camera has. stepped out asking somebody can they. come cut me loose. Um. And this dude charges into the dungeon, young black male, and just runs up to me. and and smacks me on the side of my head. closed fist. I've lost. The police are.

here. This dude's hitting. Like, what is. going on? So, I got all these thoughts going. through my head. Like, oh my god, are. the cops in on it? Like, what is. actually going on right now? Um. Instead, the cops grabbed him, dragged. him out. All right. I hear Emery screaming outside it wasn't. him. It wasn't him. I thought she's. talking about the dude that just hit me. She's actually talking about me. Because. what I forgot was that I heard her. screaming over the radio earlier.

that somebody had pushed her down on the. beach. Now, I didn't see that because I was. detained by the Haitians and and we've. actually got the receipts. I don't I. don't think anybody pushed her down. Um. but Paul, who is apparently her. boyfriend, thought I was the one who. pushed her. She's pregnant. I had to hit me, too. Like, I I had to hit me in front of the. cops, even, you know? So, when they. finally cut me loose, I go out there. I. see Paul in handcuffs in the back of one. of these ATVs and I straight up tell the. cops, like, if that kid's in handcuffs. right now because of what just happened.

to me, please take him out. Like, I. don't want to press charges. I'm good, you know, I'm fine. Everything's cool. Uh if you thought I pushed his pregnant. girlfriend down while trespassing on her. island, I'd have. whatever. I'd I'd have beat the hell out. of me, you know? So, I'm trying to get. him out of trouble. Um. and that's when it dawned on me that the. cops are a lot more concerned about this. than I was. They told me, "We're not. taking anybody out of handcuffs until we. figure out who hog-tied you.". And then the gravity of what is going on. starts setting in. There's 15 or 20 cops.

out here. Um. and they're much more interested in why. I'm hog-tied than they are in the fact I. was trespassing. Um. I hear the Haitians and Ann Rodriguez. talking uh reference was made to, you. know, this is the seventh time this has. happened. Uh I'm like, "What the [ __ ]. This is the seventh time?" So, you're. like, "What what what's actually going. on here?" So,

uh. the cops takes down their fast boats. They've got two of them there. Um. I'm still not in handcuffs. Uh. Paul still is, and they take us all back. to. St. Thomas. Um. they let us get out of the boats. Uh and one of the detectives that had. been asking me all these questions, I. didn't want to give a statement. I I. just wanted it to be over with, you. know? And I didn't think I was getting. arrested.

Uh I was just going to let bygones be. bygones, like, you know, whatever. You. hog-tied me, you kidnapped me, but I trespassed. We'll call it even. That kind of thing. Um I I don't stress. too much about things. Well, one of the detectives comes over. and tells me that that Ann is insisting. on doing a citizen's arrest. I'm like, "What is What does that mean?" Uh like, "Technically, for a citizen's arrest, she needed to tell me she's placing me. under citizen's arrest back on the. island." Like, this is like way too late. at this point, but the cops are. kind of their hands they feel like their. hands are tied. Um they're going to have.

to go ahead and charge me. So, they take me back to the station. And. you know, I'm I'm expecting that. because the citizen's arrest wasn't done. the correct and and legal way, that. they'll probably end up just cutting me. loose. When we got back to. uh the GBI, the GIB, General. Investigations Bureau, on St. Thomas, and I realized like they're not letting. me go, I am going to have to go to jail. I was like, "Well, in that case, I will. give a statement. I'll tell you. everything." Um.

you know, so they you know, got a recorded video statement from me, and it's all basically everything I just. told you. Um only probably better cuz it. was much fresher on my mind, right? Um. And. after that, they're like, "Well, do you. have anybody you can call who can come. post your bond?" I was like, "Yeah, I. was actually, you know, I was prepared for this. Uh so. I had bond money in the boat. Um uh I'll. call Ryan. And so I I called Ryan. Um. And he comes down there. And when he gets there, he I had.

completely forgotten about this. They. want him to give a statement. And uh he. drops the bomb on them, "Oh, by the way, I'm a lawyer." And so I was like, "Oh, yeah, he's a lawyer.". So the cops go ahead and let him know. because they're assuming he's my lawyer. He's not. Um I don't even I don't even. think he's licensed to practice. He's. just been to law school and passed the. bar, whatever. They tell him that they're going to. charge the people on the island uh with. kidnapping, uh. I can't remember if it was false.

imprisonment or unlawful detention, something along those lines, and assault. for what happened to me. Now, those charges haven't dropped yet. I'm assuming they have to go to a grand. jury for that to happen. Um. they they've Oh, Paul, the kid that hit. me, walks past, you know, and apologizes. to me, and I'm still trying to get him. out of trouble. Like I I I don't feel. like he should have been. Mhm. Mixed If I'm being honest, the way. he acted, the way the Haitians acted, like I think they're all scared of him,

too. I really do. Um. They booked me into jail. Cops cool as crap the whole time. I love. Virgin Islands Police Department. Like. the I didn't have a shirt on. The SVU. sergeant gave me her her Punisher. t-shirt. Like everybody was being cool. as crap. Um They booked me into jail. with my cell phone. Like they booked me. right back out, you know, post bond. And. uh I ran into Paul and release. We fist. bumped. Like everything seems cool, you. know. Um. And we We get back to the Airbnb.

Uh. I recorded a video while it was all. fresh in my mind, which I Lars got that. Um And they tell me I got to be in court. Monday, uh which was a little stressful. because my flight home was Monday. And. at this point I wanted nothing more than. to just go back home, man. Um. So. Monday rolls around and uh. we go to court. Uh. me and Ryan. He's not been arrested, so. he's just there with me.

Uh and we're we're. We go in for my They They do it a little. different down there. Like in Memphis, if you get arrested, your first court. hearing is your arraignment, right? Down. there they do a probable cause hearing. first. So it's my probable cause. hearing. And. uh. I get to hear. the. probable cause statement that the police. had put together right out loud in. court. And that's when I first learned. Paul's name, Emery's name, Anne's name.

Um. But it's also. where I learned that VIPD responded to. that island. not for trespassing. Somebody called. them and reported a kidnapping. Me. So I don't know who did that. Um We've. We've asked for the 911 calls, but my. gut tells me it was one of those. Haitians, dude. I think somebody on that. island was scared of what was about to. happen. Because nobody on my boat had a. clue I'd been kidnapped at all. They. were clueless. They thought I was being.

detained for trespassing. We decided to stick around in court. because we heard Anne Rodriguez's name. in in my probable cause statement and we. notice. Anne Rodriguez has court this morning. and she's in custody. That's strange because I know her she. hasn't been indicted on kidnapping me. yet. What's going on? So we sit through. that appearance, too. And as it turns. out, a month prior.

or maybe a little more than a month, I. think it was like on March 1st, she. kidnapped a Spaniard at gunpoint. >> What? >> For running a drone on the island. Yeah, kid and made him strip butt ass naked. hogtied him, too. Uh. the Spaniard's brother was able to. escape on boat, got the police. The. police came back and found the dude. hogtied butt naked in a boat. Um and so that's what she was in custody. for was kidnapping this dude gunpoint. Now it turned out to be a fake gun, but. that doesn't matter. You can't, you.

know, use a BB gun to kidnap somebody. Um so. there's obviously a pattern of this. And so now the pieces start kind of. coming together, you know, I heard the. Haitian say this has happened seven. times. Well, now I know of two times, Spaniard and me. What happened to the other five guys? Uh. or were they just, you know, running. them out? Maybe it didn't happen seven. times. Maybe it's only happened twice, but clearly there's a pattern of this. behavior. >> Mhm. >> Um. in a hindsight, I don't know. that she intended for me to leave that.

island. Like I I don't know what the. actual plan was. But. the fact. that. the woman who ran that island for. Jeffrey Epstein. is not only running it today, she lives. on it in this gigantic mansion, I assume. cuz that's the only residence I'm aware. of on the island. The guys on the island that work there. refer to her as the owner. She's. kidnapping people and throwing them in a.

room she calls the dungeon. Like, what the [ __ ] is going on? And and. why. with the release of all these files and. all the public outcry over Epstein, why am I the only guy that's been. arrested for being on that island? >> You know why. >> Do I? >> Yeah. It's [ __ ] up, Sean. >> I I more and more feel like we live in.

an occupied country. What just happened with Massie is. kind of a scary example of that. I mean, Joe Kent's resignation. >> APEX literally bragging about. buying that election. >> 100%. >> We're an occupied country. >> Yeah. >> There's no other way to look at it. >> There's no other way to look at it. And. and that begs the question, like, >> our president is saying he's a 99%. approval rating in Israel. What's he got, like, I think it's down.

to like 30% or something. I mean, I got. to check, but. we'll check it on the break. >> It scares the hell out of me, you know? It's It scares the hell out of me. Um. Oh. Then they sue you. >> you about it? >> What scares me about it? I have nine. kids. that have to grow up in this nation. I have helped. I don't even know how many people at. this point escape a life of addiction. so that they're able to become. functional members of society again.

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and and more and more I've started. realizing that. I don't think either political party. believes in that. I think they view. I think they view. I think they view America as a means to. an end, personal gain. Both of them. You know, I I if you watch me ever on. social media, I loathe politics. I believe in maximum rights for maximum. people all the time, which I believe. would just make me a libertarian.

But like I'm out there, you know, trying. to save lives in some of the most. impoverished communities in America. I'm. I'm trying to move the needle for. marginalized communities. I've fought. genocide overseas. You know, it's. We've done all these things in suffering. and and what I'm seeing. is that our own government seems to be. fomenting suffering right here at home. >> Mhm. >> What in in abroad, obviously, but. I'm just lost, man. I'm lost. And and. the more I. do these. weird things that I keep getting myself.

pulled into, the more I start seeing. that. something's [ __ ] up. There's something. that's not making sense. There's a. boogeyman out there somewhere and I. can't figure out who it is or where it. is. >> I know the feeling. >> You know, the first time I came on here, I thought State Department was the. boogeyman cuz they were in our way on. everything in Afghanistan. And then I started thinking maybe the. FBI's the boogeyman cuz this and that. and they're getting in the way on. everything we're trying to do combating. human trafficking, you know.

>> And now you realize. >> They're all just extensions. 100% Well, I I I just went to Epstein Island trying. to bring light to that with a dude from. the State Department and a couple people. from the FBI. Like they're they're not. the boogeyman, either. Something is. there's something pulling the strings. and I think we both know what it is. >> It's Israel. >> Yeah. Yeah, it it's Israel. >> I'm not I don't even [ __ ] care. anymore, dude. >> Yeah. >> I don't believe in right. I don't. believe in wrong. >> I don't. Right? >> I know, but I mean, if somebody wants.

you dead. >> Yeah, you know what? You're exactly. right. No matter how much security you. got. It's Israel. It's Israel. Our Our. has been sold. We're an occupied nation. Um and I I. honestly feel like Epstein is tied into. that in a million different ways. And. you know, I don't know what I've stepped in. I don't. I'm I'm a little bit scared. I don't. regret it. I've I've. I've gone up against our government. before in the Afghan Evac, you know,

I've I've been in front of Congress and. and like straight up told them, "You. guys [ __ ] up. You got a crackhead. responsible for safekeeping America's. first interpreter in the global war on. terror.". If that doesn't show you that you [ __ ]. up and and screwed up your job, I don't. know what does. I've I've got no problem going up. against our own government, but I don't. know what I'm going up against this. time. I really don't. I I don't know if. there's a billionaire on the other side. of this. They've sued me now. >> Sued you? >> Yeah, they sued me uh civilly.

The entity that owns the island, LSJVI. LLC. And if that is actually owned by a. billionaire, that's a terrifying thing. that I'm being sued by a billionaire. >> Mhm. >> Um. the way the lawsuit reads though makes. me wonder, is there actually a. billionaire involved in this at all? Or. is this all Ian Rodriguez? They accused. me. 30 seconds of Googling me or just asking. their favorite AI could have prevented. the the. absurdity that is their affidavit. against me.

They called me uh a very violent man. There's not one shred of evidence to. back that up. In fact, I've got a global. track record, a very public global track. record of combating violence and and. genocide and human rights abuses and. um they said that my lengthy uh. drug use, which is I mean that's. accurate. I've been very open about. that. Uh means that I'm. basically insane and subject to. conspiracy theories. Bro, I'm not into. conspiracy theories. I'm not even a. little bit. Um.

the the the lawsuit they filed against. me was basically slanderous, inflammatory, you know. Uh. but it still scares me. Like is is there. a billionaire behind this? Is Israel. behind this? What what am I actually. getting myself into at this point? >> Mhm. >> And. I'm not afraid of taking on big issues. You know, your team saw that in Memphis. I will step in the middle of the biggest. pile of [ __ ] on Earth if I think I can. make a difference. And and so far I've.

not found anything where I can't make a. difference. Uh and I I think that's. something intrinsic to all of us. We can. all make differences in really big. things, but. whatever I'm in the middle of now. am I actually going to make a. difference? And and what is the risk. level I have just exposed myself to. trying to do that? I saw an article. today. before we came here. I think it was the. New York Post. A lady. in. somewhere in the Southwest, a. journalist, ran a piece uh about. Epstein's CIA ties. She just announced.

that she's leaving the country because. she's been subject to DEW attacks. Now, is she crazy or is that real? I mean it seemed like a credible outlet. run the story, but I mean that terrifies. the [ __ ] out of me. She's talking about Epstein and this has. happened. There's this other lady on. TikTok who covered uh my arrest who said. she's been having people like show up at. her house at weird hours, kicking the. door, and. I've not had anything weird like that. happen yet. But is it coming? What have I opened my kids up to at this.

point by doing And all I was trying to. do was shed light on that damn island. And we have uncovered a hell of a lot. more than we ever intended to. >> Mhm. Mhm. >> Ever. >> You can't get to the bottom of the. entity that who owns it? >> So. I have not been able to. It is a Delaware LLC. Um. public uh articles, you know, say that. Steven Deckoff bought both islands, Great St. James and St. James in one. transaction.

Pull in the property tax records, and. we've done all this since my arrest. Um. pull in property tax records, you can. see that Black Diamond LLC, which is. definitely Deckoff, that's that's known, is paying the. property taxes on Great St. James. There's this other entity. that is paying the property to LSJVI, Little St. James Virgin Islands LLC, that is paying the taxes on Little St. James. Why? If you own both of them, why not have. your entity pay the taxes on both of. them? Why not have your entity own both.

of them? Why have this mysterious shell company. on this other one when you publicly said. you bought it? Um I'm not saying that that in and of. itself is anything nefarious. There. could be a million financial Maybe. that's why he's a billionaire and I'm. not. You know, he knows what to do with. money. But it it begs the question like. what is actually going on? What is. actually going on here? Um. Because I don't see that island getting. turned into a resort. And look, I'll. tell you this. If if I'm a billionaire.

and I buy the world's most notorious. island for pedophiles, and I want to. rebrand it and and change the public. perception of it, the very first thing. I'm going to do is fire every. [ __ ] that worked for the last. guy who was trafficking kids to that. island. I'm not keeping his property manager. And if she kidnapped a guy March 1st, I'm not leaving her on the island. somewhere April 25th to do it again. >> Uh-huh. >> Like these are all. giant red flags that that to me makes it.

seem like there's not actually a. billionaire in the picture. You don't. get to become a billionaire by being, you know, reckless. And those seem like some pretty. reckless, like really disastrous PR. moves right there if if they're true. >> Wow. What are you thinking? >> I mean, honestly, and I I I hate to say. this because of how how hard I have. fought to change.

uh the things that bother me, I I think. our nation's [ __ ]. I. the Massie election, you know, shocked me. Shocked me. Did not expect that. We've. We've got good people in Congress, you. know, Ro Khanna, you've you've said. down, Ro. You We've got Nancy Mace, um Massie. The There are good people trying Not. Massie anymore. >> know, man. I don't know.

>> You don't think any of them are good? See, I think. >> Here's the difference between me and. you. >> Every time I think somebody's good, Right. >> man. >> And that's That is my perpetual problem. >> Just Just Just the other day, saw something else. I It it's just. >> My default. >> even like bringing anybody on anymore. cuz. >> I get it. >> I I mean, that's, you know, Yes, do I think there are people good in. there?

Probably. >> You know what? >> But. >> Now, it Let's actually. >> like. like Ro. I like Massie. I like. I It's just I don't I just I don't I. don't know, man. I mean, because every. >> time I vouch for somebody, I interview. somebody, I don't really vouch for. anybody. >> to say, interviewing's not the same as. vouching for. >> Yeah, I don't I don't I don't really. vouch for anybody, but every time I.

Not every. >> Believe in. Every time you believe in. >> Yeah, every time I get I believe in. whatever, I just always wind up it was just all. [ __ ] lies. It was all [ __ ]. >> Yep. >> They're all beating the same [ __ ]. drum. >> And that's it right there. >> And like you just rattled one of those. people off. I just saw one of those. people that you rattled off do a tweet, "We're not sending our money anymore to. Somalia. We're not going to send it to. Russia. We're not going to send it to. China.". >> Yeah, we are.

>> We're not going to send it. Yeah. And. >> Damn it. >> And And I looked under there. Do you. know Nick Fuentes? >> Oh, yeah. >> Nick Fuentes leaves a comment under. there. He goes, "Uh, I think you may. have forgot one.". Like, "Oh, yeah.". >> Israel? >> Yeah. Like, "Oh, wait. It was Nancy.". >> I I I I got you. >> It's like It's like, "Oh, okay. >> They forgot the one [ __ ]. >> country that everybody all of your. [ __ ] constituents are bitching about, but you want to look You want to look. like a [ __ ] courageous hard ass, right?

>> Uh. >> You know what I mean? And then you And. then it's It's theatrics. >> I spent the bulk of my life an an. idealist, and I still am. And I trust. everybody. My default is just I just. love everybody. I love people. You know, and that gets me burned in my line of. work all the [ __ ] time, you know? But, having to face the realization that I've. been an idealist and just blindly. trusting my own government for my entire. life, that one That one made me sit down. for a minute.

I'll give you an example of just how. brainwashed It's not even brainwashed. I. just accepted what got put in front of. me for so long. I was all for Israel. Uh And then, you you know, we did the. Afghan evacs. We did some conflict evac. in Ukraine and some other places. So, after October 7th, uh we did some evacs in Israel. And we tried to do them in Gaza. Which we did a lot of humanitarian aid. in in all these other places I just. named two. And so, we tried to do that. in Gaza cuz there's kids starving.

And in that process, I I think me and a. lot of uh the same people that worked. the Afghan evac, we we were trying to do. this one. And we were all believing in. good guys and how horrible this attack. that has happened. Which it was. horrible. We're a week, two weeks maybe into this. and that meme of the dude saying are we. the baddies? Starts going around all. these signal chats because we're all. it's dawning on every one of us in real. time. Israel's not who we thought they. were. Israel's not who we thought they were.

You we're seeing in real time evacuation. corridors to prevent death and suffering. get shut down. We're seeing aid centers. get hit. You see you've seen it in. Lebanon right now. We were seeing it in. Syria. Hell, Israel put the Al-Qaeda. leader in power in Syria. Like what is. it in our country? >> And then we invited him. >> Yes. And then. >> [ __ ] White House. >> Yes. And if [ __ ] who was it that took. a selfie with him? >> I don't know. Probably Trump. >> Well, I'm sure. Yeah. Uh.

You know what? I I'm going to catch a. lot of flak for saying this and I don't. mean it the way it sounds, but actually. I do. Everything is fake and gay. All of it. Everything that is getting. pushed down our throats. uh from almost every legacy media. outlet. Everything. What you just told me about Mason is a. great example. I didn't see that and it. did. >> It's a [ __ ] joke, dude. >> It's all fake and gay. >> Well, you know what are you a Christian? >> Absolutely. >> Okay. That's what I think's happening.

I think this is the same [ __ ]. government that you know what I mean? The same [ __ ] government that. happened when 9/11 happened when we were. growing up and all this [ __ ] and now. there's a veil being lifted. All these I. mean nobody's what. How many how many how much [ __ ] has. the Clintons and the Trumps talked about. each other? How much [ __ ] have we heard from Donald. Trump saying I'm going to [ __ ] drain. the DC swamp? >> Oh yeah. >> The DC swamp just got handed to you on a.

silver platter. They're a bunch of. pedophiles. It's in the Pizzagate [ __ ]. It's in the Epstein. It's in everything. There you go. There you go. Now you can. drain the swamp. Is he going to drain. it? [ __ ] no, he's not going to drain it. cuz he is the [ __ ] swamp. He's in. there with all the rest of them. They're. all buddies. And this veil's getting lifted. And you know, we've I've been What did. What does Christianity say? Don't. idolize.

>> You idolize it. Yeah. Period. >> Well, we've idolized We've idolized. George Bush. We've idolized Obama. We've. idolized Biden. We've. idolized Trump. We've idolized all of. these [ __ ] people. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? And now. this veil's being lifted. These are the. people that you've idolized. >> Mhm. >> This is what they've done. >> This is This is how they live. They live. by a different set of rules.

>> And I. >> That's what's happening. It's all being. unveiled and we're seeing This is why. you don't idolize [ __ ] human beings. >> Bingo. Bingo. And you're seeing it happen not. just with with politicians, you know, it's the athletes. Watching grown men almost fetishize a. politician is the most bizarre thing in. the world to me. It's even weirder than. idolizing athletes. And and more and more I am seeing that.

veil being lifted. I think it's why a. lot of my content is going viral lately. You know, uh. Everybody is starting to realize that it. there is a war going on and it is us. versus them, but it's not the us versus. them everybody thought it was. You know, this is. Our nation is rotting from the top down. And I think G just said we're a [ __ ]. declining nation. Trump agreed with him. >> Right. >> Because we are a declining nation. >> absolutely are. And and I think it's.

going to continue to declining long as. we we look at this as though. one side or the other is going to fix. it. Like I'm watching perfectly rational. human beings trash brilliant solutions. because it came from the wrong team. That's [ __ ] [ __ ]. >> It's on I think I really do think it's. on purpose. >> It's got to be. >> I think the abortion stuff, I think the. race stuff, I think second amendment. stuff. This is [ __ ] that we're going to. battle back and forth until the end of.

time. >> It is because we're we're being pushed. >> It because it. it it keeps us in the loop. >> It we're we're being pushed how. everything has to be just two choices, black and white. You know, either. you're pro-abortion and you want to. murder babies. or you're anti-abortion and you want, you know, women to die in childbirth. Those aren't the only two [ __ ]. options. We can accept that abortion is. tragic and should be limited but is. sometimes necessary. >> It it's that's not the point. Like these.

people don't Dude, we have Lindsey. Graham in there who has no [ __ ] kids. Why is that guy give a [ __ ] what happens. to the country when he's [ __ ] dead? He has no kids. He has no [ __ ]. future. There's no lineage to look out for. How the [ __ ] did that guy get elected? South Carolina? >> It's a great question. >> Whatever. He's one of the of however. many of the same. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's it's.

it really. I think we're leading up to a holy war. >> Oh. >> going to be [ __ ] nations. I mean, I. want to be solution-based. I think I. think there's a way out of this, but. everybody's got to be on the same page. >> Well, and you just hit the nail on the. head. That is the way out of this is we. have to all come together as Americans. and and realize like. >> Well, I will say that Israel is the one. thing since 9/11 that I've seen. everybody rallying around. >> Mhm. >> Get off our [ __ ] tit. >> Yep.

>> We're tired of paying for your [ __ ]. education. We're tired of paying for. your universal health care. We're tired. of paying for your [ __ ] Iron Dome. We're tired of paying for your [ __ ]. missile defense. We get [ __ ] We're a We are a [ __ ]. cow pasture for Israel. We're tired of. fighting your [ __ ] wars. We're tired. of dying for your [ __ ] causes. And everybody sees that the United. States of America is nothing but a. [ __ ] cow pasture full of cattle to. [ __ ]. send tax money and fight their [ __ ].

wars. Everybody [ __ ] knows. >> apparently protect their pedophiles. >> Everybody knows except. I don't know, a portion of the baby. boomer generation. >> Hey, you know what? I'm actually glad. you brought that up. I'm I'm on a group. text with a bunch of evangelicals, uh, baby boomer men. And this topic actually, I don't know. how it ended up there, this topic. actually came up the other day. And I speak my mind, you know me. And so. I dropped a couple examples of things I.

personally witnessed while we were. working the Gaza situation. And they actually went and did the. [ __ ] research and came back and like, "Holy [ __ ] you're right. Israel's not what I thought it was.". That blew my mind to have, you know, 65-year-old dudes that are part of the. baby boomers that have been all. pro-Israel for their whole lives now. realizing, "I've been lied to. I've been lied to.". And I think if we can get more Americans. to wake up to that fact and recognize. that we've been lied to, uh,

that we've been presented. false, you know, uh, two-choice narratives where there could. be a third option. Actually, the reason we're sitting here. is a great example of that. We were told. Epstein killed himself. And then this. huge fight breaks out that now Epstein. didn't kill himself, you know? We never. got to consider that third option. Maybe. the [ __ ] left that jail cell. alive. >> And I I think that's probably how. Israel, the mainstream media, our. federal government, that that's how they. have been keeping us so divided is that.

we're given two choices to argue about. Meanwhile, there's a third option that's. reality out there, you know? Just like the example I just gave with. abortion. We're we're faced with this just it's. just one way or the other and and we. don't even get to consider the third. way, the second amendment. One way or the other, don't consider the. third way. And in so many things tend to. exist in that gray area. >> They they have to have those. to keep. >> To keep us polarized, to keep us. fighting. Yeah, the [ __ ] that I I've I've seen.

play out online. between blacks and whites blows my. [ __ ] mind. >> I haven't seen anything about that in a. long. >> It Right, right. It's that's dead. That's a dead argument now, but but it's. a great example of the [ __ ] because. you guys got to see it when you came to. Memphis. It's not real. You go to the. worst streets in America, there there's. nobody gives a [ __ ]. That is That is one of those problems. that really only exists in people's. heads and online. >> It's manufactured. >> It's manufactured. Manufactured hate and. division.

And that same playbook keeps getting. used for every major societal issue. >> It keeps people on the loop, but the. loop is dying. >> I think it is, too. >> The loop's going to die with the baby. boomer generation. I mean, 85%. I read this 85% of Gen Z. is tired of the [ __ ] with Israel. >> Mhm. >> 85%. >> Yeah. >> I think Gen X. That's probably How old are you? Are you. a Gen Xer? >> 400. Right, right there. >> Yeah, you're like me. We don't know if. we're Gen X or millennial.

>> Millennial, yeah. >> But I think 55% of Gen X tired of the. [ __ ] with Israel. I can't remember. of millennials, I think it's 65%, 70% or. something, but. >> It's It's over. It's over. >> It needs to be. >> It's It's It's reached its. >> to die with the baby boomer generation. That the the. they're the last supporters of this. [ __ ] Now, whether anything changes or. not, who the [ __ ] knows. You know what I. mean? But.

An entire new party has to be elected. It has to be elected all at once. I. talked about this with Cenk Uygur. >> How do we make that. >> why like like I really do. I like Rowe. I like Eli Crane. Me and Eli have. >> I I even hate saying that. We have. wildly different opinions. Yeah, I have. [ __ ] wildly different opinions than. everybody I know. >> But and that's okay. >> Yeah. >> You know, but um. Eli's kind of on the other end of this, I think, maybe. But but you know what? Like that's a guy that.

emails his constituents and they tell. him how to vote. And I don't know any. other [ __ ] politician that does that. >> how it's supposed to work. >> Exactly. And you cannot fault. a man for doing what his constituents. want him. >> to do. Yeah, that's literally his job. >> Yep. And and. Yeah, I really like I really like. Massie. There's a couple of other people. that I think maybe there's some hope, but in order to create the new system, I'm sorry, everybody has to go.

Everybody has to go. There cannot be. any remnants left. >> not agree more. >> has to happen at once. It can't be a. [ __ ] president. It can't be a senator. here and there or a couple of con- it. has to happen. all at once. As much as possible. All at. once. I know not everybody's up for. election all at once, but there has to. be some type of a uni-party. You know, where everybody comes together. and it is against the Republican Party. and it's against the DNC.

And it has to be all the and and. and they have to run on the fact that. we're going to amend the Constitution. These are the things we're going to. amend. It's going to be term limits. It's going to be no more money in. politics. Those are the first things. you're going to do when you [ __ ] pass. inside of trading because it's going to. get corrupted again. It's only a matter. of time before it gets corrupted again. And so. when that when that happens, they need. to pass what we need them to pass, which. are those two things plus probably a. bunch more [ __ ] but those are the two.

things like first session after. election, get your [ __ ] asses in. there, amend that constitution. The end. Now we can go back to fighting about. abortion and race and all the other. [ __ ]. >> Taking care of term limits would would. stop the rot. >> I I don't think that's it. >> Oh, I don't mean immediately. >> Yeah. >> And and not by itself. It We've We've. got to stop the insider trading. We've. got to stop. uh anything that allows elected. officials to profit from their position, period, across the board.

>> Mhm. >> Um. but I I do completely agree it's going. to take it's going to take a viable. third party. >> there's just it's it feels like there's. so much truth right now being unveiled. Nothing's happening yet. I mean, even when I'm around my phone I mean, I've always thought this. You know what. I mean? I mean, I. me and a couple of guys um. developed a whole application uh that. we're unveiling later on. >> Oh, yeah. >> You know, for for for phone privacy and. security. So, that's how [ __ ].

paranoid I am about it that I've went. out and developed my own damn app. because of it. And it's going to be called Glacier. And. uh probably out by the time the show's. out, but I I I don't even. I don't even. I Every time I say something that I'm. not proud of or that I may regret if it. hits the public and I'm around my phone, I just look I'm like, yep, that's that's. going to get unveiled at some point in. time. I'm so I'm being serious. >> I agree. >> Because I think I think.

I think truth is coming to the light. now. It just depends on what we're going. to do with it when we get it. >> Well, and that's that's the scary part. It's What if What if all the truth comes. out and nothing changes? Nobody does. anything. >> Then we deserve what we've got. And that's a sad thing to accept, isn't. it? I've read in the Wall Street Journal. that there have never been more. Americans leaving the United States as. there is. right now at this time applying for dual.

citizenship, coming up with contingency plans because. there is no confidence in our. institutions, there's no confidence in. our people, there's no confidence in the country. How [ __ ] sad is that? I've spent. years arguing that Memphis, Tennessee is. worth saving. I never thought I'd be. having to have that conversation about. this country.

>> The people are worth saving. >> 100%. 100%. People are always worth. >> saving. Government ain't worth a [ __ ]. right now. >> No. It hasn't been for a while. Probably since JFK. >> Yeah. And who killed him? >> think that's weird? >> Who killed him? Who killed JFK? >> Yeah. I mean it's. >> where all the signs are pointing. >> Mhm. >> You know, I mean Tulsi had the JFK files. in her house. >> And they raided her.

>> Supposedly they raided her. She came out. and said they didn't raid her. Then the. next week she resigns. >> It's all fake and gay. What's real? >> There's your next t-shirt. >> I'd get cancel That's the problem. I'm. going to get canceled just for saying. that. But it's true. It's true. You know, I just. I open my phone half the time and. I'm blown away. at how stupid.

the majority of people seem to be. And. then I have to ask myself, is this real. are they actually this stupid or is this. another influence campaign being funded. by. some you know. And and that's honestly I think that's. what a lot of this ridic- ridiculous. stuff we see popping up online is. >> A lot of people they already they. already came out they're paying $70,000. a post supposedly. >> Holy [ __ ] be pro-Israel. >> Right? $7,000 a post. Did you know that?

>> I did not know that. And that's our. money I'm sure. that we gave them that they're. >> I don't know where it comes from. I. don't know who got paid. Who knows that could be some AI fake. campaign. I don't think so pretty much. everybody I know knows about the $7,000. a post. But. it's bad. It's bad. I mean we got to throw the. tweet up of AIPAC. celebrating the fact that they bought an. election in Kentucky. >> Yeah, you do need to throw that up.

>> bought an election bragging about buying. an election in Kentucky. >> Yeah. >> Not even hiding it. >> And this is how liberty dies. And. what are we going to do?

Okay, I I hate to feel so nihilistic. about it, but. >> I mean there's all kinds of crazy [ __ ]. happening. Just our stance in the world. how fast it's changing. I mean. just read something the other day about. the the Canadian pipeline that's now. selling. the majority of its oil to China. to diversify. from the United States because we. [ __ ] slapped a 25% tariff on them. Ah! That worked out well. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, Trump also came out and said we. might have to repay all of these.

tariffs. Really? >> Yeah. I missed that one. >> Yeah. >> God. >> So, what is this island now? >> So, what? >> What is this island now? >> It appears to be Ana Rodriguez's. hangout. That's what it appears to be to me. Where she still gets to hang out people. in thermal undies. That's uh. that's what it feels like.

On paper, billionaire Steven Deckoff bought it and. is trying to rebrand it and wants to. build a resort there. Uh. if. if that's true, I'm a little concerned about his choice. of uh island manager. Um but I I have a hard time believing. that that's true. You know, I really do. >> Time will tell. >> Time will tell. >> Hiring is hard because you're not just. looking for someone qualified. You're.

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Ryan Dalton. >> Shawn Ryan. >> Welcome to the show, man. >> Glad to be here, man. >> Glad to have you. It's quite the adventure you guys have. been on here in the past. past couple months. >> It's been a wild ride, man. >> Yeah, no [ __ ] Well, let me give you an. introduction here. Ryan Dalton, you began your career as a. human rights lawyer focused on combating. child sex trafficking and dismantling. trafficking networks. You co-founded. Rescue Forensics, an intelligence. platform that helped law enforcement.

recover more than 150. child victims. You later served as a. special agent with the US Department of. State's Diplomatic Security Service and. worked in crisis response and. intelligence operations supporting. federal law enforcement and national. security partners. Today, you are the. co-founder of Closed Horizon, a platform. focused on restoring integrity to. information and in. in an era defined by deception. Most. recently, you were.

Most recently, you're one of the men. alongside Ben Owen during the Little. Little Saint James excursion tied to the. Epstein isn't dead campaign. Ryan. Dalton, welcome to the show. >> Glad to be here. >> So, it's So, you were on the You were on. those excursion with Ben? >> Yeah. >> So, before we get into. why you think Epstein is still alive, what prompted this?

>> Yeah, we met Ben and realized that we. felt similarly about this. Felt similarly that there's something. real weird going on here that we. couldn't quite figure out. So, we decided we're going to go down to. the island after having this. conversation and feeling that we are on. the same page about, you know, Epstein. might have left that cell alive. To bring attention back to that island. and back to this issue. One of the. concerns that we had is that it seems to.

be. there's distractions that are just one. after another. There's the Iran war and. there's UFO files and all of these. distractions are pulling attention away. from an issue that I think points to a. stranglehold on our democracy and our. institutions. deeper than Epstein and it deserves. continued attention. >> What do you think it is? >> I think that the Epstein. the Epstein files reveal a child sex.

trafficking operation that was used as. leverage over our politicians by a. larger power structure. that continues to have a stranglehold on. our institutions. And so. >> A blackmail operation. >> operation effective for a long time. Yeah. Really effective because it. predates. the internet. This is a blackmail operation that.

predates the internet that now with the. internet. people put the pieces together. And it's a lot harder to hide it. I think that blackmail operation for a. very long time was very successful. >> Mhm. I think it still is. Look at what's Look at what's going on. >> Yo, the leverage that they. >> Nobody's. Nobody's getting arrested. >> Yeah. >> The only names that I'm aware of that. have been unveiled or unredacted is is.

the victims. Correct? They haven't. revealed any abusers' names. Have they? Am I wrong on that? >> No, there's a. Some that have forced this. I I think. that Matthew on the House floor insisted. on revealing. one of the co-conspirators. There's a. document where there were some. co-conspirators. who were listed that he came forward and. said, "Here's one of them." I forget. which one it was. Maybe Les Wexner.

But aside from that there's not much. that the US has done. Now, foreign. countries have some real courage. where they're investigating this and. really putting some effort into the the. investigation. See, I thought this cuz. King Charles, right? >> Uh Prince Andrew. >> Prince Andrew, excuse me. Prince Andrew. Did but he's off the hook already, isn't. he? >> Oh, I don't know the latest status of. his. >> Yeah. >> arrested. >> Oh, he did? >> For.

It wasn't a child abuse crime, I don't. believe. I believe it was something like. conduct unbecoming of his official. diplomatic role that he was in at the. time. But it was an arrest. It's more than we. got here. >> Mhm. Fair point. Fair point. Well, before we get into it, are you familiar. with Polymarket? >> I am. >> Here's the context. The market 2.27 million plus dollars in. live trading volume on Polymarket.

Resolves yes, only if irrefutable proof. is publicly revealed that Epstein is. still alive before December 31st, 2026. The DOJ has released 3 million plus. pages, 2,000 videos, and 180,000. images. Wonder what those images are of. From its Epstein investigation, official. records from the NYC medical examiner, DOJ, OIG, and FBI established his 2019.

death as suicide by hanging. The crowd gives survival confirmation. a 5% chance. >> We want proof of life. >> We want proof of life. >> Yeah. >> I mean, there's been a number of things. that I dug up, but they've all been. debunked. Like the AI photos, you know, there was some. maniac Florida man posing as Jeffrey. Epstein going down the highway that's. been debunked. I got them right here.

I'll read them off real quick. Claim. one. A post on X claiming Israel faked his. death gained over 6 million views. It. featured a a photo. perpetratedly. showing Epstein alive in Tel Aviv. sporting white hair and a shaggy beard. A second doctored image garnered another. 2.4 million views. The verdict, both. images were confirmed AI generated or. digitally altered. Reverse image searches traced the.

originals to unrelated photos, one dated. May of 2020 after Ep- Epstein's 2019. death. Claim number two, active Fortnite. account. A Fortnite profile named. Little Littlest Jeff One appeared active. after Ep- Epstein's death sparking. speculation. The account went private shortly after. the speculation spread, which many took. as suspicious confirmation. Verdict, Fortnite confirmed that an existing.

account owner simply changed their. username to Littlest Jeff One after the. DOJ DOJ Epstein files were released. Epstein's email address had no record in. the Fortnite system. Claim number three. Palm Beach Pete look-alike. March of. 2026. A video of a Florida man driving. on I-95 went viral with social media. users claiming the driver was Epstein. and that he was still alive. The.

verdict, the man nicknamed Palm Beach Pete. publicly broke his silence confirming. confirming he is simply a private. citizen who resembles Epstein. He. described the situation as phenomenal. Florida man. >> Florida man at it again? >> Claim Claim number four. This is the. last one. Maxwell replaced by look-alike February. 2026. After Maxwell's depos- deposition. in February 26, social media users.

pointed out to perceived discrepancies. in her facial features and voice. suggesting a look-alike. had been swapped in. Verdict, CBS News. compared photos of Maxwell from 2015, 2016, 2020, and 2026 and identified. consistent features across all including. eyebrow shape, ear structure, lip shape, and hair silhouette. Voice differences were attributed to. differing deposition contexts. You got anything that's not those?

>> Well, lots of things that aren't those. >> All right. >> Yeah. And you know, I agree with these. These are I'm not convinced. Palm Beach P is anything but a psyop. It's just too on the nose. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it just is is way too on the nose. Um I don't have any comment on Delaine. I I don't really I haven't really. studied that uh at all. What was the. first one? >> Mhm. Oh, that was the AI photos. >> AI Oh, yeah. So, we put together an evidence timeline.

that walks the reader through the. evidence and it has to meet a threshold. for us. More likely than not, 51 to 49%. So, what we've done is in our disclaimer. about how to read this evidence is we've. excluded anything that could be AI. related. Anything that's post AI era, we're not even looking at it. And the reason for that is how easy it. is to fabricate evidence that can go. viral. It's not persuasive. So, what we've done.

is taken the information from the files. themselves. and look at the story the files tell. The files, court documents, uh depositions, OIG investigations, what. story does the official release of the. files tell the people who dig into this? And so, anything outside of those. bounds, we may supplement with a news. article that confirms a statement, but. we source all of this very carefully.

Where we have the claim. and then the sources. And then the claim. and then the sources on each of these. cards as we walk the reader down this. Because we're making a really big claim. >> Mhm. >> You can't do this halfway. There's no. half measures on this one. >> Yeah. >> If you're making the claim. that Epstein left that cell alive and. you pull on that thread, it implicates. larger power structures in our. government and a deep level of. corruption. >> Now, I just have one question.

Why would anybody. want him. alive? What would the point of keeping. him alive be? It can only bring. risk. >> Yeah. So, say that you are Jeffrey Epstein. and you have a multi-decade blackmail. operation going on. >> Mhm. >> He was collecting blackmail when you had. to put it on a floppy drive. >> Mhm. >> He's been doing this for a long time. And we know this because.

the properties that he owned were wired. up with cameras. This is pretty well. established, right? So, he has this large corpus of video. and photographic evidence. on all the people that he could want to. get these on. Celebrities, politicians, scientists. And he's a master of getting leverage. This appears to be a leverage campaign. >> Mhm. >> So, if he has this much leverage,

he's playing a dangerous game. And that. if it goes sideways on him, he has to. make sure that he has his own insurance. policy. And what better insurance policy. than retention of all of this evidence. as your dead man's switch? >> No [ __ ] So, you don't think this. evidence has been shipped out to a. bigger entity? >> I don't know what happened to the. evidence, but I think it would be. negligent of him to not have enough of. it that he could say, "Hey, listen.

Is this going to be a problem? Am I going to have to let this out?". >> Mhm. >> And there's enough people that I think. would be persuaded that they don't want. that to happen. >> Mhm. >> That's my That's my best guess to why. they kept him alive. What I do know. is the government and co-conspirators. were highly highly motivated. to have a dead defendant, or at least. the appearance of a dead defendant. >> Mhm. >> And the reason for that is criminal. discovery. So, he's arrested for.

a sex trafficking offense and is going. through the criminal proceedings. process. As part of that is discovery. where the plaintiff and the defendant. serve us all the evidence. It all comes out. Now, this is. pre-release of the files. So, what's going to come out? Flight. logs, phone numbers, associates, financial. records. Everything that could defend or support. the government's position is going to.

have to inevitably come out and the. government and the co-conspirators have. no control over this. He could not have gone to trial. That would have been a disaster. because all the evidence that come out. would. implicate people all the way up and down. the government and probably foreign. governments. >> Mhm. Mhm. >> He could have gone to trial and so, do. you know what stops. criminal proceedings? The death of the defendant. But if you have a defendant.

who has an enormous body of evidence. available to blackmail people with and. get leverage on them, well, then what's your option? The only remaining option is to publicly. have a dead defendant and privately make. sure there's no loose ends and. extract him. And this is what the files the evidence. supports in the files. >> Wow. What do you got for us? >> So the first thing I think is to. understand.

really who this guy was as best we. possibly can. And. we know some things that are just very. much in the public sector about him. So. he's this alleged. billionaire financial savant. He manages. money for people allegedly that have a. lot of money. But then there are clues in the files. that are. >> And he says he works for the. Rothschilds, right? >> Yeah. >> That's in the files. Is it in the files? >> to Peter Thiel saying that. So that was.

an email to Peter Thiel saying. as you know I believe were his words I. work for the Rothschilds. So he's trying to seemingly get an. introduction for some kind of tech play. it looks like. He's making the. uh introduction by doing a little bit of. name dropping. Right? Like hey there's some money on. the other end of this if. we're going to talk. Seems to be the way the email reads. >> Mhm. >> So he has connections that are larger. and here's the best piece of evidence we.

have for this. So I've got show and tell. for you. >> Perfect. >> This. was discovered. in the search warrant in New York for. one of his properties. And what you're. looking at. is an Austrian passport. with his photo a younger Epstein. and the alias of. Robert Maxwell.

This passport. appears to be a fraudulent passport. So. not a fake one. A fake passport is when. you have a. a passport that's not a valid travel. document, right? Like, I make it at. home. A valid passport can be fraudulent under. someone else's name. >> Mhm. >> This appears to be valid because he has. entry and exit stamps. >> So, like the [ __ ] the intel agencies do. >> This is our first connection. >> with a pseudonym.

>> Yeah. So, this is the first connection where. we have evidence of this potentially. connecting to an intel agency. Because who can issue valid passports. under a different name? Well, there's. consular who could do it. Right? Under legitimate circumstances. And you could make the argument that oh, well, maybe he got a fast one on. consular of Austria and he submitted. this information and, you know, they. issued it. But under what motivation? Who's motivating him to get this. passport?

The other argument is is that it was. furnished to him and had an operational. purpose. In either case, we know for sure. this passport was recovered from his. safe with entry and exit stamps with his. face and an alias. >> Uh where did you get this? >> The files. This is in the files. So, everything I'm going to show you. today we've pulled from the files or. public reporting that can be. fact-checked.

All of this can be fact-checked. Again, this goes back to no half. measures. We cannot make a claim like. this without substantial evidence. Huge risk, reputational risk, goes into. making a claim that. he left that cell alive. But there's. only three options. Either he. died from suicide in the cell, he was murdered, or he left the cell alive. And of the three, the one with the. fewest problems is that he left the cell.

alive. >> Wow. >> Put this up on screen. What else do we. got? What is I mean, where were these stamps. to? >> Uh so, I think it it's on our website. I. think it was Saudi Arabia, France, and. one more. Um. but they're documented entry and exit. stamps. You can see um the countries. I can't recall the third. >> What's your What's your website? What's. the address? >> Yeah, it's epsteindisn'tdead.org.

>> And you want me to remember this. evidence? >> Yeah. >> epsteindisn'tdead.org. >> Yeah. Because I was going through this. initially out of just pure personal. interest. I'm a criminal investigator. and lawyer by my background. And I also cared deeply about child. trafficking. Through my career, this has been a theme. of my career. And I have a daughter, and so it hits a. little harder for me. >> Mhm.

>> And I'm looking at the files. And I use um. large language models to surface the. things that are in there that are maybe. a little bit harder to find manually. And I'm putting together a timeline, cuz. that's how a criminal investigator. typically thinks is in term of a. timeline. And I start looking at this information, and I think, "No way. No way am I arriving at this conclusion. I don't like this conclusion.

It's uncomfortable for me. I'm not happy about it. But. one of the seductive things about. conspiracies is how entertaining they. are for many people. This is not something that I find. particularly fun. But if the evidence. continually supports. a conclusion, we have to stare at that. conclusion. in its face. and see if it's true. And so, I sent. this to probably a hundred people. I was. like, "Guys,

fact-check me on this. Sanity-check me. on all this. Am I crazy?". And I sent to people and they were like, "Bro, you put all this together? Yeah, this is something here.". And I think that we make a compelling. case for it. And if he left that cell alive, it demands it. The country, Congress, the DOJ to reckon with that. and take it seriously.

>> I think we know the DOJ and Congress is. definitely not going to take it. seriously. >> That's what I'm afraid of, too. And. maybe not this administration, maybe not. this batch of Congress people, but the. American people aren't going to let this. one go. >> You don't think so? >> think so. They can't. Cuz think about. what it means if we give up on this one. If we give up on. a child trafficker. brought. kids to an island to serve them to the.

world's elite, killed them, ate them, and used that as leverage to get a. stranglehold on our democracy. If we let that go, just give it all up. All of it. What does any of it matter. anymore? If that If we let this one go, none of it matters anymore. And I think the American people. intuitively feel this. I think they intuitively feel. something's wrong, but they can't quite. put words on it.

And that's what we tried to do. It's. really here's what you feel is wrong. Here's what it is. And so we lay it out. and make the case for. him leaving that cell alive being the. option that has the fewest problems of. the three. >> What else you got? >> So, follow the money.

Before he dies, 2 days before he dies, he executes a new will and trust. that moves $577. million. into. into a new legal vehicle. that I would structure this way if I was. about to fake my death. So, he meets with his lawyers up to 12. hours a day. while he's in prison. And the outcome of this is the creation. of the 1953 Trust.

where all of his assets that are known. are moved into this trust. And this. accomplishes two things at the same. time. The first thing it does. is it. uh makes it very difficult to ascertain. the beneficiaries of this money. So, trust can be created in such a way. that the beneficiaries of that are not. accessible to the public. And so, it would allow him to access. this money and these assets in a. roundabout way through. shell companies and through having.

estate planning that supports the. complexity needed to access this. money later. The second thing it does. is it it prevents any of his. assets. from going through probate. which would also make this public. In the probate process, he restructures his entire estate. 2 days before he dies. Now, is this complex estate planning.

for someone who's like, you know what, I'm about to end my life and I feel like. I need to. put everything into the right place at. the right time for all my money or. is it estate planning for someone who. wants to get access to those assets. after. they're out of jail. And I think that. the way that I read it. is. someone who's suicidal, who really is. about to kill him themselves, and I. don't believe he was like that because.

he was so obsessed with immortality. He. was so obsessed with health and. uh. all kinds of sort of fringe things about. continuing his life onward. >> Mhm. >> And he was. probably like all billionaires and sex. traffickers have some ego. And he's already got a sweetheart deal. in 2007. So, there's some hubris there. I can't reconcile that with someone.

creating a will and trust. who's about to kill themselves. It doesn't sit right. It seems more likely that that complex. estate planning is in preparation for. accessing those assets. after he's out. >> I mean, a lot of people also think that. he was given a choice. >> Mhm. Meaning, you kill yourself or we're. going to do it, kind of thing?

>> Mhm. >> If he died in that cell, it doesn't explain. his escape plan. You seen this? >> No. There's an escape plan? >> Yeah. So, you're still. >> out of here. >> me if this is an evasion plan. I'm going to hand you this.

I'm doing this out of order a little. bit. But, you're all right. You went through C, right? >> I didn't. >> Oh, no? >> No. >> Well, you're familiar. >> I evaded out of that one. >> out of that. So, my my partner, Alex, um. smart guy, and he looked at this, I. called it an escape plan, and he rightly. corrected me, he said, "No, man, this. isn't an evasion plan.". So, I'm going to give you context for.

this document that you're holding. This is the smoking gun for me. This is the single piece of evidence. that gives me the confidence. to have this conversation with you right. now. You're looking at. a. two notes, there's two pages here. of legal paper that were found in his. cell after his alleged death. Most people are not talking about this. at all. Very little conversation is.

happening about. these documents, and it is astonishing. to me. This is an escape plan. So, keep in mind. what just happened. He just restructured. his estate. and. has set himself up to have access after. he leaves. And then, 2 days later, he. allegedly dies, and this is recovered. from his cell. So, what you're looking. at, um some of it's illegible, and so, I'm. not going to speculate about the things.

that I can't read cuz his handwriting. was atrocious. It was super. inconsiderate of him to have terrible. handwriting and make me have to figure. this out later on. But, I'm going to draw attention to some. of the things here that really stand. out. And the first is, do you see in the. middle top of the page. where red notice is underlined multiple. times? >> Mhm. >> A red notice is an Interpol notice that. goes out to worldwide policing agencies. for a fugitive. So, why is a guy about to kill himself.

concerned about red notices? This is again on legal paper, so. I don't know this for sure, but this was. potentially furnished to him by his. lawyers who carry legal paper. And not the note as it exists now, but. that's where he got the paper. So, were. these conversations happening with the. people that were there. providing legal counsel to him? I don't.

know. But it seems to be um. based on the time frame, they're pretty. close to each other for when these would. have been written. The next thing that really jumps out at. the top. top right, next to that dollar sign, it. says what I believe to be blackmail. See the dollar sign there in the top. right? >> Yeah. >> Next to it, that word looks like. blackmail to me.

>> Yep. >> So, what's happening? If he gets out, he's thinking about where to get money. If he's gotten blackmail on people, that's pretty easy to like, "Hey man, you need to just wire me 10 grand, 100. grand, a million dollars." Whatever. leverage he has. to get access to money cuz you got to. figure out how to live while you're out. And maybe he doesn't know what he has. access to. I can't read the word above that.

I don't know if it says bounty. So, I'm not going to speculate further, but beneath it it definitely says. guards. Guards are a problem. If you want to get. out of a federal prison, you got to deal with the guards. We can. talk about the guards in a little bit. But he's for sure worried about the. guards. And then there's some things in between, but I can contextualize the things in. between. based on the drawing that you see there. uh in the middle right.

What does that look like to you? >> Are you talking about this? >> This right here. >> Yeah, that. Oh, down here. >> Yeah. >> Looks like some sort of a compound. >> Yeah, it looks to me. like an airport. From overhead. And it looks like an airport because of. the word Brad. So, Bradley International Airport is a. small regional airport that's 2 hours. away from the Metropolitan Correctional.

Center. So, the nearest. small airport. And if he's going to fly out of there, it can't be through LaGuardia or JFK for. obvious reasons. >> It says jet right here, too. >> Right. >> It looks like it says Nigeria above. that. >> That's right. So, above it, and we know this is an. airport cuz it says Brad. Bradley. International Airport would be a great. airport to go to if. you don't want to deal with customs and. you want to have access to. the services expected of someone who has. a lot of money. So, private hangars,

private runways, it has these things. >> Mhm. >> And above it it says, I can't tell what. the middle word is. So, it either says. jet versus prop. or jet US prop. So, that could either be. this is a jet or it's a prop plane. What. kind of. vehicle are we in here? Or it could be. uh. jet US property. Is he flying out on a US plane because.

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See you later. Looks tall as building. >> What do you think, Sean? >> We're high.

>> And then where's he going? >> in Who was in office when he. committed suicide? >> That was. um That was Trump in office then, right? >> That's so weird. >> Yeah. Who would have thought? >> Yeah. I think it goes all the way to the top. So, where does he go? Well, we don't.

know. We can only speculate, but we can. see that there's intent here based on. these at locations that are written. Above Jet versus Prob kind of walking. you back up the page, it says Nigeria. So, they're probably have okay location to. hide, I'd guess. No one's going to look. for Epstein in. Africa. Would Qatar and Saudi Arabia. be locations? I mean, they're very. friendly. Access to money. Associates there, for sure. We know.

that. So, the Q and the SA next to. Nigeria could indicate. >> Mhm. >> other locations that he's interested in. And then to the left of that, it says gangsters. See that to the left of the Q and the. SA? Yeah. >> I don't know what that means. But I would imagine if you're someone. like him, you're willing to.

make a lot of friends with a lot of. people, not all of them good people, who can get you the things that you. need. Gangsters are people who can. be fixers for you and not ask questions. So, that's a logical. person to ask or group of people. And then there's a lot of other things. on here that I just don't know what. mean. And it would be complete. >> a US map. >> Yeah, up here in the middle left, yeah.

It does. It looks like a US map. Someone said a cow. >> Looks like a cow, too. >> look like a cow. >> What. do you think this is, the redacted. portion? >> I have no idea. Beneath it though, it says computer. and then something illegible and then. question mark and then VI, which I'm. assuming means Virgin Islands.

>> Palm Beach. >> Oh, that's right. Palm Beach, the PB. >> PB. >> Yeah. >> to be Palm Beach. >> So, computer, Palm Beach, question. marks, VI, Virgin Island. And above that. it says G. That's what he called Ghislaine. Is G. So, he's thinking about Ghislaine. and computer or multiple computers in. Palm Beach and Virgin Islands. And I'd. be pretty worried about computers if I. were him, too. It also there's one piece on here.

um. that looks like LSR up near the travel. part. My best guess on that, and I'm not. willing to guess on many of these if I. don't feel confident, but LSR seems to. be last stop route. So, my understanding is in aviation, this is a term indicating. a airfield that is the last on a. connecting journey that to get to that. airfield would mean it's. relatively remote compared to other.

airfields and likely has less. immigrations and customs restrictions. That's where I'd want to go if I'm. trying to evade. >> What do you think is under LSR? Looks like it says Muslim maybe. >> It does say Muslim. >> Maybe Asia under that?

>> Yeah. I can't make out that third character. Above it it says Muslim and so I would. imagine that Muslim nations would be. potentially easy to hide in. It find a remote area and hole up. somewhere you're not going to be looked. for. in some of them. That's entirely speculation, but it does. say Muslim pretty clearly. >> Why would he have written this all down? >> I thought that, too.

Why write all this down and then leave. it in the cell? Why leave your escape plan. in your cell? And then I remembered, oh. Epstein and his associates. were talking over Gmail about. raping and eating kids. His opsec was bad. He didn't give a damn. about any of his opsec, about any of.

this over Gmail. And being in the government, we both. know. you can't talk about anything over. anything or someone's going to suck up. those comms. He has decades of not caring. And he leaves this behind, someone's. going to sanitize this cell. He's got. people that do this for him. My best guess is is there's some hubris. here, some pride. And that whoever's redacting these. things didn't know what they were. looking at. Or they did know what they. were looking at and our institutions are.

not homogeneous. Meaning that some. federal agent or lawyer looked at this, redacted only what was absolutely. required and allowed us to piece this. together. I hope that's the case. Because these people that are performing. these redactions took the oath that you. and I did to support and defend the. Constitution against enemies foreign and. domestic. >> Yeah. >> Even when they come from inside the. house.

>> Everybody's just doing their job, right? >> Yeah. >> That's the excuse. >> Excuse. >> It's always the excuse. I'm just doing my job. [ __ ] you. >> Yeah. And they have to reckon with that. And. there's something of resigned. And I. admire that courage. Because here's the. sinister nature of this whole scheme. You can't whistle-blow on this and bring. out the actual best evidence. Because it's. illegal one for classified, two for.

child sexual abuse material. If you transmit that to a reporter, you've just earned yourself a strict. liability offense where they don't care. what your intent was. You're going to. jail. >> Yeah. You know, two-tier justice system. >> Real quick on this one, let me show you. page two. This is. This is the real zinger. >> Right. >> So the top of page two he's complaining. about something. I don't know. He got. He had a bad day. He got locked in to. the shower or something. I think that's. absolutely hilarious. I imagine him. sitting in that cell and just.

Dear diary, I had a bad day. Like he's. he's pretty upset. Flip it over. This second from the top line. Says jail out equals 10. And he allegedly died in that cell on. August 10th, 2019. He had foreknowledge of the day that. he's getting out. So what you're left with and this this. is the smoking gun.

is you have a escape plan written by. a person who knows they're going to be a. fugitive. about where the nearest airport is, what. considerations to avoid, how to get. money, and foreknowledge of the day that. they're going to leave that cell. This is an evasion plan. >> Wow. You might be right.

>> Someone who's going to kill themselves. doesn't write this down. >> [ __ ].

Do you think there's any chance this. could be a psyop? >> Yeah. There's layers of psyops here. >> Mhm. >> Top to bottom. This could be a psyop. For sure. What I can't reconcile this, and I've. thought about this, is this. disinformation? I guess that's always possible. But when you take the totality of it. all, this piece into the larger picture. that it paints, it makes the most sense that he left.

that cell alive because of the. other mistakes that were made in this. cover-up. and the post-prison signals of life. And each of these pieces by themselves. don't. have equal weight. It's up to the reader to make decisions. about which ones weigh the most for. them. But you can put mathematical modeling on. these.

and apply objective standards to them. And this has been done. And we're going to put up this. mathematical model on the website for. people who have PhDs in statistics to. evaluate. But what we've done, and this is my. uh good friend Nick McKinley, who runs a. nonprofit called DeliverFund, who does. amazing work in the counter-trafficking. space, former CIA guy, PJ, um hero by all accounts, rescued many kids from the horrors of. that industry. >> I'm aware of him.

>> Yeah. He did a mathematical model on this. And he looked at this and he said the. smoking gun for him was the statistical. odds of this being possible. And he took the 14 largest anomalies. You can group those into cameras, guards, and protocols. For the cameras, we know. again, all this can be fact-checked. Some of them just straight-up went down.

Just like not were working at all. Some of them. did work, but then the footage is just missing. We just don't know what happened to it. Epstein's cellmate lawyers tried to get. this footage and it's just file not. found. Of the ones that were working, we have a missing minute of footage. Gone.

Just not there. >> I know, man. I know. I think I have a. >> And then you have of the footage that we. got, the supposedly raw footage, Wired. showed that the Wired magazine. showed that Adobe Premiere Pro edited. that raw footage. Take those anomalies and compound them. with the guards who were every 30. minutes supposed to check on him and. they didn't. They fell asleep, they were browsing the.

internet, shopping online. And then the protocol of him not having. a roommate despite. trying to commit suicide, allegedly, and. despite. the Department of Psychology at the. prison who sends out an email to 70. people, including the warden, saying. that this guy needs to have a roommate. and nothing was done. And so now you have. a guy in jail. has no guards watching him, no roommate, cameras go down, and is in the prime. position for extraction.

The odds of this. all of these failures happening. concurrently. based on this model that we're going to. allow people to scrutinize as much as. they want and argue with us about it. is. um one. I'll see if I can get this right. One in. 5 * 10 to the 30th power. Those numbers are. meaningless to me unless I can put them.

into an actual. something that makes sense in my head. and it would be the equivalent of taking. a quarter and flipping heads 102 times. in a row. [ __ ] Not happening. And so this moves us away from. conjecture and conspiracy forums and. into mathematical understanding of the. odds of this happening. It is effectively impossible where a. mathematician would look at this and say.

you've made an assumption wrong or. there's an error in your reasoning. because if this is what the odds show. this is impossible. He was left in that cell in the prime. position for extraction.

>> Why would anybody else want him alive? >> What do you mean? >> Well, let's say he was working for the. Rothschilds like he says he was. Do you think they would want him alive? Why the [ __ ] did they even arrest him to. begin with? From the get-go, it was a clean-up job.

>> It happened twice, so he wasn't probably. worried about it. It happened once. before in Palm Beach and he got a. sweetheart deal. >> Mhm. >> Which is a whole another rabbit trail. That's just astonishing to me. >> But I mean, a guy this connected, right? You know what I mean? Disconnected. >> Yeah. >> Why would they even How would he even. get booked to jail anyways? Why would they even have a case on him? Don't you think somebody would have. pulled him off?

>> I think our DOJ and FBI are not. homogeneous. I think the leverage starts at the top, but there are men and women who took. that oath and take it seriously in our. organizations. >> I know, but I'm just saying, you know as. well as I do, lots of investigations. domestic, overseas, doesn't I mean, lots of. investigations have been, you know, stopped for whatever reason. You know, hey, we're pulling you off. this. >> Yeah. >> Why wouldn't somebody just get pulled. off?

>> It certainly would have been very high. profile, right? So, it's going to go. through layers of review. And I think it's going to depend on. where this. octopus of. stranglehold and all of its legs have. wrapped itself around someone who could. make that call. It's not a perfect. cover-up. They've made mistakes. They're humans. They're not. all-powerful, and I refuse to think that.

the corruption runs complete through our. institutions. Maybe one day it will. But I don't think it does right now. >> What do you mean by that? >> Meaning that if the corruption were. complete, then everyone on our institutions would. be team Epstein. >> You don't feel like they are? >> I feel at the top it looks like. >> of what I mean. That to me that means. complete. >> Mhm. Based on leadership. If.

the leadership in every one of our. institutions is all beating the same. drum, nothing's going to become nothing's. going to get accomplished. And we're. seeing that, >> Yeah. >> This is You can only do so much. And. then when you get yanked off, I'm just. doing my job. >> Yeah. >> You know? >> There are clues for this that are. interesting to me. For example, Kash Patel sat in this. chair. and said that he was going to clean it. all up. >> Oh, I'd burn that chair. I'm just.

kidding. Yeah. >> But I believed him and I I I remarked to. my wife at the time like that's the. politician I believe in. That's awesome. I want that. >> I was warned before I had him on the. show he was completely full of [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> a very good friend of mine. And he was. [ __ ] right. >> Yeah. But you have an optimist in you probably. that didn't want to believe that. And. I've got that one in me, too. I The. America that I grew up in. and when I look at that flag and what I. feel about that flag,

I can't let that go. And him sitting here and watching that. conversation about what he really means. I wonder if he really meant it or if. when he sat on the House floor and he. said there's nothing in those Epstein. files and perjured himself, why? Where is the leverage? Where does it. start and how deep does it go? And I just can't believe it goes as deep. as the federal agents who took the oath.

and who go home to their families at. night and are not in the spotlight and. run their investigations. Some of them maybe. I can't imagine it's all of them. >> I mean, I don't think it's I don't think. it's the lower level guys. Probably not. even the mid-tier. Probably not even. all the way to the top tier. But I think the top tier [ __ ] knows. >> Yeah. That's my read on it, too. I know those guys, man. I was a federal agent. I got tons of. friends that are feds. They're good.

people. But some of them. are looking at this information. and saying, "Yeah, I'll redact that. I'll redact that. I'll redact that.". And at some point, they're complicit in. this cover-up. Because it is a cover-up. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. What do you hope to gain by doing this?

>> We started Closed Horizon out of the. belief that America's in an. epistemological crisis. Epistemology being the study of how you. know the things that you know. What is. truth? We're lied to. constantly. Constantly. There's a new psyop every day. We. deserve better psyops. There's a new one every day. Deception, lies coming from the White House,

our institutions, corruption. AIPAC buying our. government seats. Look what happened to. Massie. >> Everything's a [ __ ] lie, man. It's. all a lie. >> It's all lies. >> Everything's everything. I mean, even I mean, I did this episode. I just did this episode with this guy, Pete Blaber. Uh. Delta colonel. And we went over a whole slew of lies. I. just. Naval Special Warfare's propping people.

up like heroes and passing out it's bad. passing out awards and I mean I'm pretty. sure you know about this [ __ ] And. that's yes, even though uh. people that I know died in those events. and were killed and they were fighting. for the country. I mean. that is so. I hate to say it like this, but that is. so far. it's just not as significant as what. we're talking about right now. When. you're talking about people eating.

babies, raping [ __ ] kids and. >> Yeah. >> blackmail and our basically our our. our government is. run by. a shadow government. >> Yeah. >> I mean it's it's it's. But I mean we lie we lie about that. [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Did you see the. >> It's [ __ ] crazy. >> that was sent to Ghislaine asking if she. wants to be on the shadow 9/11. commission? >> No, I didn't see that. >> She gets an email you can dig it up in. the files and.

>> And put it up on screen right now. >> to be on the shadow 9/11 commission. And here's what's interesting about the. files you want to get into corruption? There is a. canyon. of missing files. between '99 and 2002. Nothing. came out in those years. Well, what. happened in those years? You have both 9/11 and the dot-com. crash. Major events that shaped the next. decades of history.

What's being hidden there? >> What do you think's being hidden? >> I think that what we've been told about. some of those events. is really uncomfortable and not true. And it would create a existential crisis. for a generation of Americans. who fought, bled, and died overseas.

because they looked at those towers. being hit. and they said, "This cannot stand in my. country. I'm going to serve my country. honorably and I'm going to go fight over. there." Because they saw what happened. there and I don't think it was. what it was. what was portrayed to be. And I think that Canyon. of files, if it ever comes out. will show this. >> Do you think the files even still exist? >> That's a good question.

I hope so. I hope they do. >> You going to watch the big UFC event. tonight at the White House? >> The the big fight? >> Yeah. July 4th is what we're all worried. about, right? The [ __ ] UFC fight. >> Your bread and circus. Here, take your bread and circus. >> really is biblical, man. >> It is. It's a war of good and evil.

And I knew this was a war of good and. evil when I saw the darkest thing in the. files. I used to think that this was a criminal. organization that was very. sophisticated. And it is. But it's deeper than that. This is a. good and evil issue. There was an email. I got to be careful. Um. there was an email. between Epstein and an associate and.

it's redacted who this associate is. Where. Epstein recounts how. a girl told him that she believed while. in her bed that God protected her. And that Jesus was watching over her. And then he says, "Whoops.". And the person replies, "You should. dress up like him." Being Jesus.

The next time you see her. We don't wrestle against flesh and. blood. This is deeper. This is a war of good and evil. >> Mhm. >> Of truth. Of secret keepers and. truth seekers. And I think that if we don't get it. under control, we're a generation away.

from losing the empire. Cuz we care about it, but you ask the. next generation coming up, you ask Gen. Z, and a lot of them don't believe all the. [ __ ] which is cool. They don't believe what. the legacy news media is telling them. They're like, "Man, all that's just. lies.". The problem is you extend that worldview. into belief about our institutions. "All of it's corrupt. All of it's lies. I don't believe in any of it anymore.". Then you get permission to do this. forever without consequence.

>> Yep. >> The people who grew up like we did. are the last line against this. It is more urgent than people realize. Cuz once you get into the next. generation, we give up on this, it's over. >> I know. I know.

>> But these people make mistakes. This isn't perfect. The people that have done this. conspiracy, and I'm okay using that word. because this is where the evidence takes. me. People have. called me a conspiracy theorist in the. lawsuit against us for trespassing, and. don't give a damn about trespassing. Not one damn about it. I got to correct Ben on two things. I. love Ben, but I am an actively barred. lawyer. My My sorry, I'm a barred lawyer.

with an inactive license and um he he. was very generous to me and just said. that if they got caught that they would. have to worry about trespassing charge. I don't give a [ __ ] about a trespass. charge. We are going to figure out whatever it. takes to get to the truth on this. matter. And they make mistakes. Here's another for you. So,

let me give you. these two documents. Oh, hold on. Yeah, these three documents, which we'll. cover real quickly. But I think you're. going to find this really interesting, John. So, the first one. is this one labeled page six at the top. Here. This is a page from the medical.

examiner's. autopsy of Jeffrey Epstein. And. the top line, the first full sentence, says the prostate is slightly and. diffusely enlarged with marked. enlargement of the verumontanum. I don't know what that is. So, this is her observation. Um. medical examiner. official autopsy for Jeffrey Epstein.

that he does have a prostate. This next line, this is just kind of an. aside, it's not relevant to the evidence. here. It's just really embarrassing. It. says the testes are unremarkable. I don't know that I'd want that in my. autopsy. Um. So, she makes this position that there. are. there is a prostate. This next document is a deposition.

And he's asked the question. He's asked a series of hypothetical. questions. You can have high testosterone and still. have a need for a Viagra because you. don't have a prostate, right? And he says, "Correct.". Seemingly indicating on face value. that he doesn't have a prostate. Now, there's controversy over this. because people make the argument that. the you in that sentence is the royal. you. Meaning.

sort of a general question about. someone's medical condition. Okay, fair. enough. But, the next document. is a LabCorp record. And he has a series of. LabCorp records. Uh and and other medical records. as well as intake forms that began as. early as I could find as 2012, maybe. Where he's having problems with his. prostate, his testes. There's some kind. of urological problem that he's having.

And so, he's visiting a urologist. And at the bottom of this, in. highlighted, it says. uh serum PSA should decrease and remain. undetectable levels after radical. prostatectomy. Which is the removal of the prostate. So, in this deposition, he remarks that. it'd be correct. This is what to expect. if you don't have a prostate. In his. LabCorp record, it seems to be a.

um. a document indicating either pre-surgery. or follow-on or at least some kind of. analysis for what the condition of his. prostate would be like or his his PSA in. your analysis would be if he didn't have. a prostate. But the official finding in the autopsy. is he had a prostate. And based on all of the other records. that look at his medical history. and things that his associates sent him, it appears he most likely had prostate. cancer.

And I know that because his associates. would send him medical journal articles. about. the state of the art of prostate cancer. vaccines, cures. These were There were 132 records if you. search. um prostate cancer in the files. He also had a health coach that he. seemingly donated a lot of money to. who was sending him articles about um or.

referencing an article for him to go. look at. about being recovered from stage four. prostate cancer. So these three files in and of. themselves are not entirely. determinative about the condition of the. prostate, but it's a valid open question. about whether he didn't have a prostate. and the office of the chief medical. examiner didn't track that. And it wasn't his body on the table. Wow.

Detractors of this theory make the. comment that this bottom paragraph. is boilerplate language on a LabCorp. record. Fair enough. But he's still being evaluated for. what his level should look like. following a radical prostatectomy. And prostate cancer is. occurring many times throughout the. files. So.

I'm not going to say that it's. completely determinative, but it's a. very open valid question about if they. made a mistake here. >> Mhm. >> What we do know is that he had a. body double. of some kind. >> This is. Say that again? >> We do know. that the FBI's own memo. showed that they pushed out a body for. the media to see that was covered in. boxes and blankets to divert them away. from following it as it moved away from. the Metropolitan Correctional Center.

We know that for sure. 100%. There's a memo showing that they pulled. this scheme to. trick the media basically when it came. out. But weirdly, the New York Post was there. to take photos. And so what they did is. as the gurney came out, took photos of. this alleged body on. the gurney. From the FBI memo, they say it was boxes. and sheets. The New York Post took. photos of somebody.

And we know that because we have those. photos. And what people went back and did is. they compared the photos of him on the. gurney. to his mug shots. And compared. the ear. and the bridge of the nose. And if you. look at the cartilage of a dead person, it's not going to change that much. Like. their face is going to change, the way. that the the way the body carries. fluids, they'd look different, but your.

cartilage doesn't change right after you. die. So you can see for yourself. the difference between even just the. nose. One of them is him dead, the New York Post photos, and the other is him alive, the mug. shot. The bridge of the nose is curved. on the dead body. And it's more straight on.

the mug shot. The ear. The ear is interesting because you can. identify a body based on the ears. We. have unique shapes of our ears. Kind of like a fingerprint in a way. And the version I'm showing is in black. and white. In color this is more. evident, but I didn't have a color. printer. No one has printers anymore. >> Where's the image job? >> Yeah. You can see the comparison of the ears. It's not the same ear.

So, who was on that gurney? Because based on this. unless something really crazy happened. to his face after he died which I guess. is possible that's not his face. >> Wow. Yeah, that is completely different. >> It's a different guy.

You pull this together and you look at. it and you think. am I crazy? >> The whole thing makes you think you're. crazy. >> It does. It makes you think you're crazy. from the beginning. And you vocalize what you're thinking. >> the. institutions, the administration.

will all label you crazy. >> Yeah. >> Low IQ. >> CBS News. >> Conspiracy theorist. >> covered an article on us. >> Say that again. >> CBS News did an article on us. Legacy. media institution. I think the reporters. that we talked to were good people. They. got once it hit an editor desk, it said, "Oh, this has all been debunked." None. of this has been debunked. None of it. It's lazy. If you can't contend with the facts,

you smear me and Ben. You paint us as. crazy conspiracy theorists. You do lawfare. Sue us for civil. trespass. Anything, anything but contend with the. evidence itself. And I think this is part of the. playbook. And the enemy is more. sophisticated than we realize. I fell for some of their tricks, hook, line, and sinker. And the most clever one is the. controversy that began right after he.

died. There was an autopsy that was performed. And the conclusion of the autopsy says, "This is death by hanging.". Official narrative. At the same time, his brother Mark. Epstein hires a forensic examiner to. look at the results of the autopsy. The forensic examiner says, "Well, hold. up. This little bone in the neck called the. hyoid bone, if that breaks, that's more consistent.

with strangulation.". And now this controversy begins between. he killed himself. or he was murdered. From the jump. >> You think that was manufactured as well? >> Yeah. If I'm wanting to take my kids to. dinner, as their dad, I say, "Hey, do you guys want to go out for steak or. sushi?". >> Mhm. Mhm. >> And you know what they do? They bicker. like 9-year-olds.

>> Mhm. >> Normal 9-year-old stuff. Steak, sushi, steak, sushi. I don't care. I love both. They're both great. But I've controlled the narrative. And what they did is brilliant. They controlled the narrative on this. because they knew the official statement. would be rejected. by people who don't trust our. institutions. Immediately would be rejected. The number one global pedophile. dies by suicide as the first suicide in.

21 years the Metropolitan Correctional. Center. First suicide in 21 years, they know. damn well. that people are going to say no way. We're not that dumb. So what happened? Well, the forensic. examiner says, "Oh, this was suicide by. hanging." And I fell for this hook, line, and sinker. It's like clearly he. was murdered. Clearly. It's a false choice. It's a false choice. The third option.

is entirely valid. Like with my kids, there's a lot of other options. All their favorites, Chipotle, Chick-fil-A, whatever. Tons of options, but I narrowed it down. to two, gave them two, and made them. fight over which two. So you've seen. this in a. near decade of memes now about Epstein. didn't kill himself. Yeah, he didn't. He left the cell alive. That's the third option and they. controlled the narrative from day one. Brilliant move.

[ __ ]. How much more do you have to look. through? There are some post-life signals that. are interesting. You brought up the. Fortnite one. I am not convinced that the official. Fortnite. position is anything but. part of the cover-up. I could be wrong. I'm not going to hold on to that one too. tight. Maybe. He had another gaming account.

that went live called uh War Thunder. under the email that he had. I don't. know anything about War Thunder, but the. email he had gjeevacation@gmail.com, I believe it is. Um there's receipts and things like. that. There's activity on that email. afterwards. That's very interesting. If everyone thinks you're dead, what do. you care if you use the same email? Your. files aren't coming out. No one has. access to your Gmail. So those are intriguing. And then the most intriguing for me is. there's a YouTuber named Rusty.

Shackleford. And he flew a drone over Little St. James. And he got like 2 hours of footage. 4K looks like great resolution. And as he flies around, he brings the. drone over. roughly the middle of the islandish. And there's some side by side sitting. there. And the drone is positioned. above the side-by-sides.

And there's someone in one of the. side-by-sides. in the driver's seat. He leans forward and looks up at the. drone. and then goes back in that side-by-side. And that person looked like an older. gentleman with gray hair. That met my threshold of this should be. looked at. This is post-death. And let me tell you. something about that island cuz I've. been to it. You wanted to hide somewhere.

These intelligence people will hide in. plain sight. It wouldn't be a bad option. Especially. if you have to clean up some loose ends. with your computers or technical. infrastructure. No one's going to think you're alive. And even if I came forward and I said, "He's alive and he's on that island.". People would laugh at me. No way, man. No way. So it's not an unsafe place. Particularly because you can. stay there with extreme privacy. And the. only way that you wouldn't have privacy. is if someone has an aerial shot of you.

Which seems really unlikely, but this. guy did. He flew this drone over and you. can watch this footage on Rumble. It's. been taken down all over the internet, but it's still up on Rumble as of today. Who knows if it'll still be up. But I'm sure people have preserved it. You can look and make your own decision. This is post-death and pre-AI, which meets our criteria. If it's after he died and before the. introduction of large language models. which can edit images. All right, we'll put that in.

So, you take all of these now in totality. From the passport. to the conditions in the. jail cell, the trust, the escape plan, the condition of the body when he. is wheeled out on the gurney, and walk your way all the way down, and then the post-life signals that. carry some weight. The option with the fewest problems of.

the three is that he left that cell. alive. And he left that cell alive. We want proof of life. Do you think you'll ever find out? We're going to try. Here's how we're going to do it and are. doing it. So, Alex, my co-founder and I work for. Rewards for Justice. It's the federal government's rewards. program for information about the who's.

who in the national security world of. bad guys. It's a very effective program. They put out $5 million for Bob bad guy. Say that you're. took a different path in life and you're. Shawn Ryan and you run a terrorist. network. And everyone that's in your staff here. is part of your terrorist network. And. then you wake up one day and you see on. the news that there's $5 million reward. for information about the location of. Shawn Ryan. What are you worried about.

>> A lot of things. >> Yeah. You're worried about everyone that knows. your eye color, your plate numbers, where you bed down. It creates incentives for betrayal. within your network. It also restricts your freedom of. movement and closes your horizons. You can't travel anymore. Can't be on planes, can't be. jet-setting, can't be.

driving around past marketplaces, going. to. see your associate friends. It makes the enemy adjust their TTPs. We don't have $5 million, but we do have. is a lot of people that are mad about. this and we started the reward pool and. put in $40,000 of our own money and. people are contributing to this reward. pool. If we're wrong, and I'm willing to be. wrong. In fact, I would prefer to be. wrong. I take no satisfaction being right about. this.

If we're wrong, every dollar in that. reward pool goes to Ben's organization, We Fight Monsters, to help people in. trafficking and addiction. Every dollar. If we're wrong and we can't prove it. But if we're right, that reward pool. will grow and grow year over year as a. long-term commitment to justice and. truth. >> Mhm. >> Incentivize people to come forward. And if people have proof of life, we. want direct observational evidence.

Not open source. I mean, Ben is doing. the open source side. My human collection side wants direct. observational evidence. I was his. driver. I was his gardener. I was his plastic surgeon. Those people. Because his associates aren't going to. care. Say we get it to a million. dollars. Say some crazy person watching. this who has a ton of money says, "I. believe in this." Then puts in $10. million. His associates don't care about that. much money. They don't care. But, you know who would care?

Are all of the logistical. parts of his. life that have people that require. they're required to hide someone. Gardeners, security, drivers, maids, plastic surgeons. People that know. And this is not a. fringe belief that he's alive among. his. people in the Virgin Islands and people. that, you know, went to high school with. him, survivors of his crimes.

So, you build a reward pool big enough, it becomes expensive to stay silent. >> Where do people go. with that? >> They can go to epsteinisntdead.org. Read the evidence. Make your own conclusion. If you believe. in this and you think you want to let. this all live, consider the reward pool.

The other thing that. uh they can do is go to. closedhorizon.com, where we've created a. marketplace for truth. We are tired of being lied to about. everything and constant deception. >> Mhm. >> Tired of it. There are questions that matter and are. dangerous questions. If I'm right, this is a dangerous. question. Closed Horizon allows anyone to create a.

campaign. and fund it like GoFundMe and pay. sources for information. Whatever your. question is. There's other questions out there that. are dangerous questions. Who really killed Charlie Kirk? It's a dangerous question. They don't have to be big questions. They can be little ones, too. Who. >> really killed JFK? >> Who killed JFK? These are big ones. >> Where did those files go? I mean, we were told they were going to. release those files, right? >> Yeah. He campaigned on that, right? Trump did?

>> If my memory is correct, yes, he did. >> Why is everything a lie? This is what I mean by an. epistemological crisis. We have become accustomed to being lied. to about everything. >> Yeah. I know.

Well, I hope you get to the bottom of. this. That's some um. pretty compelling evidence that you've. got there. >> We're not willing to give up on it. Can't, man. Can't give up on this one. Can't. >> What's next for you guys?

>> The other way that people. can help here. is we're calling for an Epstein truth. commission. And if any members of Congress have the. courage. to reach out to us, we believe that there should be a. Epstein truth commission, like there was. a 9/11 truth commission, the 9/11. commission, and a Church Committee. after the JFK assassination. Now, there's problems with those, sure.

But, the FBI has fully abdicated its. duty to investigate this. Completely. There's no reason that Anne Rodriguez, based on my reading, shouldn't be. charged under the Mann Act and the sex. trafficking statute for procuring people. and bringing them to the islands for. illegal sexual activity. That's a low-hanging fruit one. That's. the island manager, not a billionaire. That's an easy one. That's.

the sacrificial lamb. >> Mhm. >> Brought people to that island for the. purpose of illegal sexual activity. Harbored and transported. for child victims for commercial sex. Something of value was exchanged for. commercial sex for a sex act. So, there's no. FBI and DOJ who's willing to do this in. this administration. We need a long-term. commitment to justice from our federal. government. >> I'm still trying to figure out how. somebody gets arrested for sex. trafficking when there's.

who do you traffic to? >> To nobody, Shawn. Ghislaine and Epstein didn't traffic. them to anybody. Believe that and go back to bread and. circus. >> I can't wait for that UFC fight. >> baby. >> it's going to be a real good one. >> Yeah. The stakes are high. I think people have to wake up to that.

>> Man. Well, Ron, I really appreciate what. you're doing, man. Thanks for coming in. >> I have something for you. >> Oh, [ __ ] What a. >> I got. Ben gave you the We Fight Monsters flag. This is the Closed Horizon flag. that we brought to the islands. So, you got two. >> Oh, man. Thank you. >> That's our um.

our logo is a reticle and the north. compass uh a compass with the north. indicated. >> Love it. >> Um. truth. Got to find truth. I have another gift for you. My understanding is as you were reading. the Stoics, is that right? >> Mhm. >> Who's your favorite? >> Marcus Aurelius. >> Marcus Aurelius. The OG Stoic. >> That's right. >> My interview yesterday was about this.

>> Yeah? >> Yeah. He's made a generational impact on the. lives of men. Be like the promontory upon which the. waves continually crash while they're. all asleep at your feet. It's how a man should be, and you're one. of those men. And this is a. Roman Denarius. with the. depiction of.

Marcus Aurelius on it. >> I need to get that. >> I give that to you as a fellow truth. seeker. You have the courage to say. things here that other people won't say. It was given to me by a truth seeker. I pass it to you as a truth seeker that. is saying things that other people are. afraid to say, won't say, that matter. And maybe one day you'll pass it along. to another truth seeker and we'll have a. long legacy of. truth seekers who have. owned that coin.

>> I will. Thank you, man. Ryan, I wish you the best of luck, and. if you come across anything else, let me. know. Hope to have you and Ben and. anybody else back to sit on us. >> We'd love to come back. >> All right, brother. God bless. >> Thanks, Shawn. >> Cheers.

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