Angela Ford - Meet the Army Psychic Who Tracked Spies, Hostages and Fugitives | SRS #145

[Music]. Angela Ford welcome to the show thank. you I'm glad to be here and thank you. for the opportunity well thank you for. being here and I am very humbled to be. here with you right now and uh so you. first kind of popped up on my radar when. I interviewed Joe mcmonagle he had. brought you up in the interview and uh I. asked Joe to connect us if he would. connect us and he said he'd be happy to.

and then I interviewed another one of. your former colleagues actually sounds. like both of them are still colleagues. to this day but uh Edwin May yeah uh. another fascinating guy and man. everybody in this space is just been so. nice to talk to and um and uh and I love. the subject matter so I'm very happy. you're here I'm happy to be here thank. you thank you for coming. so everybody starts off with a.

introduction here and. so Angela Ford you're a remote viewer. 079 you have worked for 32 years in the. intelligence Community you are a member. of the US Army's remote viewing at Fort. me Maryland from 1986 to. 1985 1995 I'm Excuse me. 1995 you are currently a teacher at the. Monroe Institute and particip.

and participate in occasional projects. with Dr Ed May at the Laboratories of. fundamental research LFR you're one of. the few female remote viewers in the. Stargate program used to use automatic. writing Discovery Channel aired a. reenactment of a case that you solved. for the US Customs in. 1989 you were given special. acknowledgement acknowledgement in. former Secretary of Defense William Co.

's book murder in the Senate you have. been written about in Annie Jacobson's. book phenomena the secret history of the. US government's investigations into. extra sensory P perception in. psychokinesis do you know Annie yes I. just interviewed her too yeah and uh. another another another interview I. loved and I just uh really happy I. connected with her as well but um so we.

got a couple things to knock out before. we get in the weeds I have. a. a subscript a subscription network uh on. patreon and they are our top supporters. many of them have been with me since the. very beginning and um I wouldn't be here. today if it wasn't for them and uh. neither would we be having this. conversation so one of the things that I. um offer them is the opportunity to ask.

each guest a question and so I thought. this was a good question because a lot. of people um kind of categorize. spirituality with with remote viewing. and and ESP type type stuff so this is. from. Paul have you known any remote viewers. who have claimed negative spiritual. experiences in the process of their. remote. viewing no no no no because people that.

I know were were trained in remote. viewing in okay remote viewing is. nothing more than. ESP um it's when when somebody remote. views to gather. intelligence it's nothing more than if. than what a psychic does the information. is out there when somebody receives. psychic information it's mental so the.

information goes to the brain and then. it goes onto the paper whether you're. doing coordinate remote viewing extended. remote viewing whether you're using. tarot cards whether you're using a. crystal ball that's the manifestation of. the. information so remote viewing is nothing. more than being than ESP it's a nice. term that the. scientist um used it's a nice term to to.

use if you're trying to get money from. Congress instead of saying. psychic and remote what makes remote. viewing remote viewing is the. methodology meaning that the vi the. remote viewer the psychic and the people. involved in the remote viewing process. are blind to the Target that is what. remote what makes remote viewing is the. methodology but if you ask a psychic to. we're going to do a remote viewing. session they're going to go into session.

and they're going to do whatever. whatever they need to do to gather the. information okay and you can't tell you. can't tell anyone you can't tell a. psychic oh well you can't do that you. have to do this although in the Stargate. program they did have the coordinate. remote viewing methodology. because it was a manual it was it was. written by um it was by Stanford. Research Institute made the man ual it.

was nice to have um to kind of show. Congress that it's more technical it. took away from the spirituality or the. um but the Army took it as military. likes to train so when the army people. saw this Manual of coordinate remote. viewing then they kind of made it their. Bible and this is remote viewing but. actually when somebody remote views. they're just they're just being a. psychic I mean you can see it you could. feel feel it you can hear it whatever.

happens in a session you don't know okay. okay that makes sense now as now not now. I've had other people who claim that. they're psychic that if they've had. negative. experiences um and and I've had negative. experiences and I remembered whenever I. had start um training as a psychic I was. very. young um I a woman told me she said. Angela.

you're going to you're going to see. positive but you're going to see. negative you're going to feel negativity. because this is what Earth we earth is. made of positive there's positive and. there's. negativity um but I I'm just not it. sometimes it's just there but it goes. it's energy it just kind of goes away. I've been doing it for so long and so. much has happened to me it just doesn't. matter but I you know people call me up.

and they get a little nervous they go. you know I had this dream and what does. this mean or they may feel like I did I. just had a guy email me the other day um. I think he got he started seeing I think. he was seeing orbs in in his third eye. area and I said and I said your third. eyes you know it's a chakra Center. that's opening up. but I don't. know you know I I don't know know I I.

just feel there is negative and I know a. lot of Psychics that don't want to read. people if they're negative well good. luck to that I mean we're not always. going to be 100% positive all the time. yeah and then I know people healers and. psychics they bring a client in and. they'll go through a whole exercise of. um you know talking bringing the light. you know blessing themselves we only. want. good it it's just I don't know just I. don't do all of that but I.

guess I don't know I guess it's just. negative and positive. well changing the subject just a little. bit when I walked up here uh to start. the interview my editor was sitting here. and you guys were having a conversation. and it sounds like you had somehow. tapped into his health can you explain. what was going on there he he asked he. said can you he asked me if I could give.

him a reading sometime and I said well I. said I can do it now so I I just needed. his I needed to concentrate on something. so I asked him for his birthday and he. gave me his birthday and from his. birthday I was able to tune in and um I. felt like he actually I felt like he was. going through a huge year of change. which he whenever he told me what was. going he is yeah huge change he just. moved yeah yeah and I and I said and.

it's a kind of aspect where people want. change but it could be more change than. what you want in other words by the time. this comes around in your life you you. welcome change but sometimes you get. change that you don't want and I said. you can even Lose Friends. well that made sense to him and then I. don't know why I just I don't know why. it just I said just I said um do you. have a delic I said I just told him he.

had a delicate system and he did say I. said you have to eat light Foods. interesting so does that just come to. you how does it come many ways just many. many ways just focusing I well then just. I need a focus I I really do need a. focus and I knew I didn't have um I the. birthday his birthday kind of helped I. did some basic.

numerology um and just and and and then. it just that focus and then it just kind. of opens up the door and then I can go. from that interesting just op it just. opens up the door could. you could you describe the. chakras well I guess there's there's. there um there the the there's these. points on your body like your hands I. think there's one in the stomach area. area it's called the solar plex and then.

you have the Kundalini which is your. spine it comes up like a snake and then. you have the third eye and you have your. feet and a lot of times when people. become very sensitive or psychic these. points they kind of um they open up it's. sort of like you we have an aura and. these and so it's sort of like as you. become more aware or as you become U. more psychic you're opening your. yourself up more to these energies and.

so you become more sensitive and it's a. process it's a process interesting so. you become more in tune with the. environment become more in tuned wow and. it's a process I think it took me about. nine months to go through um a process. wow I have one more question before we. we get into the live story so not long. ago me and my wife uh went out to dinner. with a um with a couple that's very good.

friends with us and we talk about things. like this and and and UFOs and it uh. stuff like that a lot and um my friend's. wife was talking. about she was saying that she has dreams. I believe it was. dreams but she felt like somebody else. was putting those visuals or messaging.

into her head and so she would vocally. say hey you're not welcome here and I've. seen some articles as of late that that. that kind of talks a little bit about I. don't know if mind control is the right. word but kind of thought. control is that is that a thing yeah a. lot of people get um it's sort of like. when whenever you go to a haunted house.

and you see a spe it's the same thing. it's all it's not like she had it's it I. think what she needs to do is just. recognize and just say you know I. recognize what you're doing here and you. know. and if you can recognize what's going on. and and she could say something like. look I I recognize what's going on here. and why do you want me to have this. information but I'd rather not have it.

it's just re it just Rec it's almost. like if you see a ghost or a it's like. hi I know you're here it's Rec recognize. it and once once you Rec it's like they. want to be recognized and then it just. goes. away I think what she. was thinking was going on is that. basically what I'm getting at is would. it be possible for a remote. viewer to inject a thought or a certain.

feeling or maybe information into. another. individual's mental probably status yeah. have you heard of that before yeah. because that's what they yeah because if. somebody I think at one point they were. um it was always thought that like if. somebody was kidnapped if they would. they were trying to tell people if they. were kidnapped start concentrating.

on if I think like if a remote viewer. could find the person if the person. would start suppose you were kidnapped. and somebody wanted me to find you you. could you could start um saying you know. explaining where you are what you're. going through and I could tap into that. no kidding oh yeah oh yeah that's what. they want yeah it's telepathy that's. called. telepathy have you done that a couple. yeah I have done that with yeah with my.

sister I did it a couple of times. telepathy how would it can you describe. that experience well there's I okay I. there was one um instance where um and I. don't know if this. is I don't okay when I was working for. the government I was working for Army. intelligence I had heard that there was. one of my college professors that just. started working at the Pentagon and I. guess I kept meaning to call him to get.

in touch with him well one evening he. was out and he saw my sister um and so. they talked and my sister came home and. I was sleeping so I went to work the. next day and I called the guy and he. said oh he said I bet your sister told. me to call I bet your sister told you to. call me and I said no I haven't talked. to my sister and he so he he felt like. oh wow he said you must be psychic. because I just saw your sister less than. 24 hours ago but somehow I must have.

known to call him even though she didn't. tell me that she saw. him but another instance I had with my. sister was I I we were she was in the we. were living in an apartment and I had to. she had a I don't know what she did she. would keep forgetting a certain house. key or something so every time she would. come in I'd have to and I can remember. always just kind of sending her a. message don't forget the don't forget.

the key don't forget the key and I. almost at one point I could almost see. her going back for the key and reaching. for it so I later on that day when I saw. her I said did you almost forget the key. and I knew what time she had left I I I. could I could I knew what time she left. well I kept saying don't forget the key. don't forget the key either she was. going to lock herself out or I was going. to get there and I would have to leave. her in and I can remember saying don't.

projecting don't forget the key and then. I kind of saw this image and I could see. her going back for the key and I and I. recorded the time so when I saw her. later I said did you almost what time. did you leave the apartment and she told. me and I said did you almost forget the. key she said yeah I had to come back for. it wow wow that's that stuff is just f. fasinating to me absolutely.

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well before we get into your life story. everybody gets a gift oh thank you thank. you oh this is nice oh goodies. goodies those are uh vigilance Elite. gummy bears oh yeah my H my husband I'm. going to keep these away from my husband. Le them on he has these all throughout. the house but no thank you you're. welcome you're welcome but um all right. Angela so we're going to start okay. right at the very beginning where did.

you grow up I grew up in a small coal. mining town in Western. Pennsylvania I I'm from I'm from Indiana. County Pennsylvania it was where Jimmy. Stewart was born and raised oh cool cool. um I'm Italian I came from a large. Italian family um both sides of my. family are. Italian um and when I was very. young um when I was very young I had a. lot of out of body.

experiences what age did that start oh 3. four five six I can remember um I can. remember when this I guess they say at. certain points of your life you I guess. you get the spark of life or there's a. spark I can remember when I began to. walk I can remember this spark going in. me and and I knew it I recognized I was. a baby but I knew a spark went in me wow.

um I was very aware of. that um and I was I had a lot of and I. had a twin sister who had out of- body. experiences now I told my mother I would. get up and I would tell my mother what. my what my um oh and then I started to. have dreams I started to have dreams and. there were a lot of Dreams it was about. a lot of things about world events when. I was um 6 years old old and I would. tell my mother and my mother would.

listen to me and and there a lot of. things about China a lot of things about. Russia. um I was only six years old and I would. get up and talk about these dreams but. my mother would listen to me and she. never discouraged me and as a child. growing up I could now once I got into. school and when I became busy it didn't. happen all the time things sort of fade. away but I was always curious in the.

subject because I knew I was I was you. know I was flying out you know was. leaving my body I could see my body I'm. flying out the door I'm walking through. walls I'm in the trees so I so I was. always interested in the subject but I. didn't. um so you know I'd go to maybe psychic. sometime but my mother was very. interested in the subject she had. oh my mother had all kind of.

paraphernalia laying around the house. from Edgar Casey to um she had a lot of. Edgar Casey material she bought a whole. Encyclopedia of of um the ult I still. have we still have the encyclopedia they. my mother was into it she would listen. to jeie Dixon and what Jory Galler on. TV and but and she liked country western. music and she believed in reincarnation.

so as a teenager growing up you know. she'd talk about reincarnation and turn. up that country. music and I thought she was weird and I. just. wanted I was so embarrassed when friends. would come over and one time the car. radio broke and I was so happy cuz then. we didn't have to listen to the um. country music and I was walking down the. road cuz it's a it's a coal mining town. the Road not the street and not on a.

sidewalk but the road and she had a. transistor and I was walking with my. friends and she held that transistor out. the window as she was driving and she. said listen Angela and it was like a new. country western song singer was singing. a new song oh you know but that's the. way she was. now so I went to college in Indiana. University of. Pennsylvania and. um and the year that I.

graduated my sister I had a political. science degree and my sister had a got. received a criminology degree and my. sister said we should be State Police. she she loved criminology in the. investigative work so we decided that we. were going to be we would but we were. going to be applied to the police to the. Pennsylvania Police Academy will it it. wasn't accepting new applicants that. year so um I I we had graduated from.

college we could the academy wasn't. taking new applicants I think I was just. sort of um I was a I was a. waitress um and I had no so I there was. a um there was a man who taught a night. class at at the University that I. attended he was a chemistry teacher but. he was psychic and he would and he. taught an ESP class at night so I took. his ESP.

class and he was pretty he was good like. he'd put a he'd make everybody write a. number down and hide it from him and. then he'd go around and tell you what. the number was and I liked him a lot but. what happened was um I was coming I um I. was coming down I could the police. academy wasn't going to open up so my. sister and I applied to the FBI and we. were coming down to Washington DC to. work for the FBI so. I got a call one day where I had to go.

to a factory to work at night because I. had to and I had to quit the class. because I had to make money to come down. to DC but I always remembered him and I. remembered the class so I came down to. DC and then I uh worked at as as a for. the. FBI um there's no way I could we could. have become agents or eyesight would. couldn't have done it and it was very it. was a very low-paying job job but we did.

I did meet there was a woman I knew who. was dating an an Indian an American. Indian and my sister and I were invited. one night I guess it was a Pawa they. called it and there was some tribal. leader he was there was some tribal. leader from um the west and he told my. sister and I he. said he said did you have Pro did you. have dreams when you were young like the. and I said yes and he said when you're.

in your 80s whatever you dreamt about it. will be. true do you remember what you dreamed. about yeah what did you dream about uh. that actually that we would not we would. not have. the um that the the enemy would be China. not I know what's going on with Russia. and the Ukraine but that will be. resolved that will be resolved and we. will be um friends with Russia again we.

will be we will. be that was I remembered that and it was. China it was China was the. enemy wow that's what I believe yeah and. and you know this was during the Cold. War whenever I had these dreams you know. remember kru jof. and and it was unbeli you know I would. say oh no you know we'll be friends with. Russia we're going to fight against the. China Chinese well at that time in the.

early 1960s or late 1950s who would have. who would have thought of that yeah yeah. can we. rewind to some of your I mean you had. mentioned out of- body experiences at. age three four years old well actually. four five or maybe a little it was. before I went to school okay it was. before I entered school at six 6 what. what what can you. describe do you remember your first Out. of Body.

Experience no they all seem the same you. just go out of body was there. what what did the dream entail oh it's. not a dream it's not a dream it's you. physically you physically leave you you. your body you come out and you're here. in the in like a aura or a spiritual. form and your physical body is laying. down laying you can see your physical. body laying down. so you're fully conscious oh yeah fully.

conscious are you able to make decisions. oh sure yeah it's like I want to go yeah. I could direct myself where to go wow so. where would you I would go outside on a. tree I can remember one time I really. wanted to go I went to the sun I think. one time cuz I really wanted to get out. of the earth I wanted to go further but. I I now what when I went out of body I. had no control and I still don't I I.

have no control when I go out of body. how. I I don't know how to go out of body it. just happens but when I go out of body I. can direct it a little bit I do I can. direct it so you can't. control when you you can't control when. the out-of- body experience is going to. happen but you can you are fully aware. capable of making your own decisions. where you want to go if you want to. right left up.

down you're you're capable are you are. you do you have the ability to come back. inbody oh sure yeah yeah so what did you. think at age four five or six oh I loved. it did you find it odd I I didn't find. it odd but I knew as I got older it was. I knew I could not talk about it now. don't ask me how I knew that I have no. idea I knew that I could not talk about. it to people who's the first person you.

talk to my mother my mother what did. your mother say oh that's. good did she believe you oh yeah oh my. mother was yeah oh my mother was. weird um oh yeah no she encouraged it. she encouraged it. um dides your mother have out of body. experiences let me tell you but well. what happens later what we find out. about my mother is it's it's un real. she's had she had psychic now my mother.

was psychic but we never knew it and my. mother would walk around the house and. just make my mother would talk like oh. you know this Pope's going to die. they're going to get a new pope and the. guy's name's going to be joh her and my. mother would talk like this she. remembered she talked about um my mother. would make. predictions and we didn't know what she. was um we never knew she we didn't call. it psychic we just thought she was you. know a little bit we called her.

um lofty she was lofty she just didn't. seem to be she was lofty and she would. couple of times you know she'd be around. the house making dinner or talking and. she'd say oh you know there's going to. be a war over in Israel it'll be. shortlived though and there was what. wasn't there a 48 hour war or something. so that's how she would talk all the. time but we never paid any attention to. her and then she talk about. reincarnation go into. so we never really paid much attention.

to her now what happened. was I was down here work I I got a job. over with once I left the FBI I was able. to get a job this would have been around. 1980 I came down to DC in probably 1978. or 79 I left the FBI because a woman I. was working with left the FBI and she. went to join her husband who was working. with Army.

intelligence and she called me up and. she said Army's having Army intelligence. is having internships they're looking. for people with political science. degrees you should apply you'll be. making more money than what you're. making now plus it's you know you get. more as you as the years go by you make. more money so I applied when I started. to work for Army intelligence I was on I. was on a two or threee intern proam. program and I learned all about. intelligence how you collect it how you.

disseminate it how you produce it I I. went to the different intelligence. agencies to find out who's responsible. for what so I did this um I did and then. at the end of The Internship they gave. me a job uh I was a Central American. analyst and at the time it was around. the 1982 83 time period whenever you had. the sandinistas in Nicaragua and you had. Nora in Panama and then insurgencies in.

El Salvador and um in um Honduras and. then late um so it was a hot bed and I. would do the current intelligent. briefings every Friday for the Command. Staff okay and I and that's what I was. doing well at the time one my mother. called me up one day and she said it was. the fall and she said I need to take you. know I I want to do do something my. friends and I were bored we my mother.

always took classes like ceramic classes. and I told her I said why don't you take. Dr boris's ESP class at the college it. was the class that I had to quit back. when I graduated from college in. 1976 so she said I think I will so her. and her two friends started to take the. class and here um what they found out. was my mother was very psychic. and the uh the the they could give my.

mother an object like your ring or a. bracelet or a watch and she could hold. the object and she could tell you about. the person who owned the. object so now my mother is um now my. mother would recognize that she has. these. abilities um so my father died during. that time it was must have been around. 1983 84 my father died and and uh I. would she mailed me a book and she said.

Angela read and it was a sudden death. that was unexpected I was still young I. was 29 years old I was living with my. sister we were heartbroken so my mother. emailed me a book and she said read this. book it will help you understand your. father's death and I did and it was um. it was a book by Ruth Montgomery she was. a popular writer at the time and she. kind of and it was called a world Beyond.

so that that book helped me helped me. get over my grief but after I read the. book I started things started I felt. like I was getting very psychic um I um. I started to do channeling or automatic. writing um my sister was taking an. astrology class at the time um and my. sister the astrologer knew that my. sister and I were doing the automatic.

writing so she kind of recommended us to. go study with a man by the name of Fred. Mansbridge in Alexandria he owned the. Mansbridge Institute so we started. studying from him and I was working at. at as a Central American analyst and at. that time somebody might the astrology. teacher told my sister about this. psychic program that the government had. where I worked I heard it from my. sister's astrologers I didn't hear it.

from so I started to make inquiries. where I worked and yeah I had heard. there was this psychic. program that the army that they had Army. remote viewers I didn't even know where. it was located so I did meet with the. general and I did want to go to the. program well he it was General. stubblebine and he was retiring this was. 1984 and he was retiring ing so I. thought well um I I guess I lost my.

chance to be brought into the psychic. program. and what had happened. was he was getting ready to retire so. this Army psychic sitting up at Fort me. they were sitting around ready to get um. orders to go someplace else and work. even the civilians up there you know how. the government works we're going to. close the program but you're going to go. here and work and you're going to go.

there and work so um they assumed that. the uh the program would be shut down. because General stubblebine was retiring. and he was the Army the remote viewers. were being paid by the army they were. under the Army okay well in the meantime. in 1984 Dr Jack Verona who worked at. defense intelligence agency who was. funding Research into parasite. psychology at Stanford Research.

Institute and other places like. Princeton and and um Duke University he. went to Congress and said don't shut. down the program just just transfer the. program to from army to the defense. intelligence agency which took about a. year and then in. 1986 I was brought into the program. after it was transferred okay let's. rewind just a little bit what is. automatic writing um it's just it's just. a way of receiving information like if.

you ask a question um it it's just a. matter it's just a way you can receive. information okay it's like an automatic. it's like an automic it's just you just. get the. information through writing so you think. about a question something yeah and you. just start writing no somebody ask a. question and then it kind of goes and. then I and then I just sort of write the. answer how does that come to.

you well at first it came slow uh came. very slow. because it you know the process was very. slow but now it comes a little faster. because I've been doing it for so long I. mean I guess what I'm asking is can you. describe the what you're. experiencing when I if if if we were. going to do the exercise right now and I. and you had a pen and you were writing.

and I just asked a what's a question. somebody would. ask am I going to get am I going to get. my a raise you know am I going to make. more money okay yeah how does that. answer come to you can you please. describe that. experience just comes it's like a door. it's like just a door open. it's you know is it just a thought that.

is in it comes fast it comes fast it can. come very. fast it just it comes fast how do you. clear your head so that there's only. that one thought or do you I try to I. try to um I try to be disciplined but. sometimes you don't but sometimes it. just comes I don't know if you've ever. watched psychics on TV like um was there. John. Edward or t they have the Long Island.

psychic M if you ever watched them. they're they talk fast the information. comes fast that's how fast it comes in. fact I went to see John Edward in. Baltimore and he came out and he said he. said I'm going to start giving. information and if it pertains to you. raise your hand and then he would walk. over to the person and he would say. do not ask me any questions until I am.

finished talking and he said that it's. it's like these um the information just. comes so. fast is it a thought in your head that. you write down or is it your hand that. just writes. it no the hand is the. manifestation again the information is. out in the ethers you're asking me a. question I have to go out there my mind. has to to go out into the ethers or it. has to go out into this energy field so.

it come the information is here so it. manifests on the paper that's why a lot. of people can give a reading without. anything like I've I've known psychics. they'll just stand they don't use. anything uh I think I'm a little I guess. that I like to rely on my paper and. Pen when did you realize when did you. and your sister have a conversation. about what was going on if it was.

happening to both of you oh when uh she. came home one day and I was doing the. automatic writing and I showed her what. I was doing and she said oh I want to do. that so she did it too is that when she. found out yeah wow and you guys are. twins yeah yeah and um and Joe mcmonagle. has twin yeah is there any oh sure oh. sure genetic my mother psychic I had. heard years later that my father's.

father before he came to the United. States he traveled all through Europe. with a um with a tray and on the tray. was a bird and Tarot cards and he would. make money by giving somebody a reading. the bird would pick up the tarot card. and my grandfather would give a psychic. reading so I have it from my father's. side and my mother's. side so it has to be a Jee they it has. to be a. gene do you think I talked with Joe.

about this I've talked to I think I. talked to Ed about this maybe John. Alexander as. well did all humans have this at one. point in time do you what is I mean oh I. think it's I think it's always been. there but we just it's all I mean why. are we Bor we know intuitively we know. when to come out of the womb it's like. psychically we know when to be born I.

believe psychically we know when to. leave too. really I I watched my mother-in-law and. a and a a brother I feel like yeah I. feel like they knew when to. go they knew it's like they took. themselves. out. wow when I think we all have it it's. just it it's just not accepted in our. culture it's it's just it's just not.

accepted in our. culture other cultures have an easier. time with it and if this is against. somebody's um belief system you're not. going to do anything to change their. mind yeah I've I've figured that out. there's. um I've heard a lot of people say it's. it's it's demonic I've heard all kinds. of things um. see why do you think we've lost it.

though if you if you believe. everybody I think had this gift at one. point in time I think the church I think. um okay I you know I watch a lot of the. I. think I think a lot of it had to do with. the church back a long long time ago. whenever the Christianity came about in. Constantinople and he you know he wasn't. only an an emperor or a ruler he was. also wanted to be a religious leader so.

I think he took a lot of things out of. the a lot of these things out of the. church that's why you have groups like. The Masons and you have these secret. societies I mean I think these people. have know this. stuff but it's just not talked. about I mean if they what do they say we. only use 10% of our brain. I mean do do you think that.

[Music]. through advancements and technology that. we are. losing brain. sensory I hope not but you know. everybody's afraid of. AI I don't know we're just going to have. to think a new way there's a pro there's. a book out called human design and the. guy that wrote it said that even PE B. children the Next Generation as they. come out after us their brains will be.

different they will be more I guess our. computer systems are changing or things. are changing so when these new people. come somehow they're going to be geared. up to understand maybe things that we. couldn't so there's I guess there's an. evolution. H and in that Evolution we're. losing we're losing psychic abilities. yeah and we shouldn't we should be. getting we should be gaining more.

psychic abilities how would we gain more. I think just being aware having more. awareness being more in tune and and. understanding that. um I I don't understand people I I don't. know I just. think being psychic really is just being. aware you don't even if you could just. go into a room and just be aware of. who's you know. what's in that room who's in that room. how's that person feeling what's you.

know read the room read the people but. people don't do that they just go in and. talk yeah. yeah so it sounds like you're kind of. saying just being in the. moment completely aware of your. surroundings and and paying attention. just paying attention. to to your thoughts to what's happening. to maybe maybe um. coincidences yeah nothing is a. coincidence it does seem that way.

nothing is a coincidence when did you. come to that conclusion it just because. everything I mean how I got to Army. intelligence I never thought I would. work in DC I would have been happy in. Pennsylvania um I was I had relatives. that were involved in polit local. politics I was help you know working on. political campaigns I was happy uh when. I came to DC it wasn't easy um working. for the FBI was difficult it was the.

years after Hoover had died and they. were trying to make a transition into. hiring minorities and working with. minorities so and then I went to Army. intelligence and they were um I think. they had a problem because I was a. female. civilian. and and you need the civilian Workforce. in a military up because they're what. are they're the they stay mhm so it.

wasn't easy I mean it it really wasn't. easy but I you know I had nothing else. to go back to even when I would try to. go back to Pennsylvania I I just. couldn't find. anything to do anything how did you get. selected for the remote viewing program. well what happened was is I I had found. out through my sister's astrologer that. they I had found out that Army and Tower. Ence where I was working had this had.

these psychics remote viewers I didn't. know it so I I want I met I asked to. meet General stumble bind to see if I. really wanted to go to the job um but. then I got in trouble with my command I. guess because I skipped my chain of. command my my immediate chain of command. got very upset with me and and then. General stubblebine was retiring so I. thought that well I wouldn't be able to. go but then he retired in.

1984 and everybody thought that the. program would that the psychics the. remote viewing program would go away but. Dr Verona picked it up in. 1985 and transferred everything to. defense intelligence agency in January. 1986 I got approached by the uh people. it's uh by the people at Fort me to they. sent someone down to interview me for. the job and it took 6 months to get from.

Army intelligence to the defense. intelligence agency to work as a remote. viewer they interviewed me I did. personality tests and my clearances had. to be uh sent from army to DIA what was. the interview like uh just a personality. test um just just general questions but. I think General stubblebine told them to. hire me so as far as the as far as the. interview I figured I was going because.

it was the type of program that you. couldn't um apply for it was a special. Access program you couldn't apply for it. they took people if you met somebody and. you thought they were could fit in a. unit that's how they were brought in so. I'm sure if a general called some you. know like the B the commander up at Fort. me who was the head of the remote. viewers and said to bring me on I'm sure. they would have listened to him because. he was a general okay at what point did.

they did they ask why you thought why. they thought you would be excuse me did. they ask why you thought you would be a. good addition to the to the program no. uhuh they just gave me this personality. they kept giving me personality tests. and they kept asking me all these. questions but the personality test um I. don't know. I you know I don't know why they I think. they took me because the general said to.

take me because I ended up being on the. test I ended up being like a judging. person and they're saying that. perceptive people make better remote. viewers so I think it was just an. exercise to just well we interviewed her. and she seems okay and we'll bring her. in but actually when I got there they. really didn't want me there because of. my automatic writing they said it was a. bad habit really yeah oh yeah oh and I.

got in trouble with my bosses by going. to the. general so they gave me a hard time and. I was very uncomfortable for a long time. and and I was in trouble so that you. know that made me very uncomfortable so. when I. went so from 1984 to but to 19 to July. of 1986 before I went to the program I. you know I was I was still working as a. c a Central American analyst.

now when I went to Fort me my very first. day of work I was met by the operations. officer and and I said hi um I'm Angela. Ford it was the first time I met him and. he said I know who you are and he said. and I've heard about you and he said you. have a bad habit he said what you're he. says we're going to teach you the right. way to be.

psychic well at that point I wasn't. going to argue with him because I knew. what it was like to be in trouble by. going over the chain of command so. whatever I didn't want to be in trouble. again said okay whatever okay it's a bad. habit show you. know okay it's a bad habit what do you. want me to do you know so what happened. was these military people they were all. learning this coordinate remote viewing.

now they put me with a a trainer they. put me with this man his name was. Jean and I don't think and Jean was a. civilian and he worked in Germany he. used to be in the military and then he. worked as a civilian and he worked in. Germany and you know if you're a. civilian and you work overseas you're. only allowed to work so many years 5. years so five years were up and needed a. job so he called the command the the. commander at the of the remote viewers.

and he said hey I need a job and the. commander said well come on out come on. down here I'll get you a job he they. made him a trainer so I don't think this. guy he didn't have much experience with. psychics or um you know he just needed a. job he needed a job so they put me with. him because he needed somebody to train. because all the military people were. were doing training under another. trainer so they put me with this train.

this train the trainer Jean because he. needed somebody to train well when Jean. found out I was doing automatic writing. and the people didn't like it then he. was giving me a hard time you know he. goes you can't do what we're going to. teach you the right way so I said okay. so what are we going to do here now what. they did was they called it extended. remote viewing and it was not nothing. more than you sort of visualize you VI.

you you they put a picture in an. envelope and you sort of go down into. like a meditative State self hypnotic. State and you get visuals and then you. write down what you see so I that's what. I that's what I did that's what I did. and they called it extended remote. viewing and while I was waiting for my. clearances to be passed from Army. intelligence to DIA to go work as a. psychic I picked up this book it was. called the Silva mind control by Dr.

Silva and in it he taught it was very. close to the extended remote viewing he. taught about how you can go down and. visualize like if I want to pick up. information on you I would go down and I. would. visualize um I would visualize you no. what I would do is I would turn on the. TV okay okay okay now I'm going to watch. Sean so in my mind I turn on a TV and.

then I see you and then I see and then I. pick up information about you and then. when I'm done I turn the TV off and then. I come back and I say don't this is what. I picked up on you that's what and or. you can do it with pictures and so I. read this Silver mind control and then. what um so when I went to work for the. unit they were calling it EXT exended. remote viewing and it was the same thing. that I read in the book so I would in my.

mind whenever I was working the training. targets I'd just turn on the TV and. describe the picture and come out and do. it wow so that's how I was doing but no. I wasn't going to argue with them they. did not want me to do my automatic. writing and I and being in trouble. before oh my goodness uh so I did that. now about a year and a half after I was. with the program. my trainer left the commander left the.

one woman left everybody left and they. brought new people in and they brought. in one training officer and he he said. he didn't care what people did because. he wasn't wild about the coordinate. remote viewing and he um he he used to. be a remote viewer it he didn't care. about methodology the thing with the. military was they were proud because of. their methodology they had this. coordinate remote viewing they had. extended remote viewing and these this.

you know this is the way it's properly. done this is how you this is how. to to be a psychic this is the way you. do it well you know I come more from a. spiritual more from. a spiritual whatever background and and. I would have thought that if you're. going to go work as a psychic for the. government you would have thought at. some point what some of them would have. picked up up a book or went to a. metaphysical church or done something to. look into the subject but they took it.

as very um matter of fact this. it so what happened was about a year and. a half things started to change. management started to. change and I told my I told my boss Fern. I said I want to do automatic writing he. said well you can do. it so he would say he would give he said. you can go home and do he'd give me. tasking and then I'd go home and do it.

but one day I walked in and I. um I Fern and I I. walked I don't know what. happened um I told Fern he he allowed. people to do different methodologies so. I said told him I said well then come. over and work with me cuz I want to show. you what I can do and he did and he put. a Target in the envelope and it happened. to be Terry Anderson who was a um he was.

a hostage held by the hisbah in Lebanon. and I described Terry and I described. him I said that he's in a country that. he's he's he's located in a country. that's not his. homeland um you know I felt that he. probably was restricted and that I felt. that eventually he would come out and he. would be well so that was that hit it. pretty much so Fern like we started. working oper we started.

working. um hostages they had um they had other. hostages there they had let remember in. they had. um they had a lot of University. professors at barut that they had. kidnapped they had a man named Po heill. and I kept saying his throat hurt and he. came out when he C out he was diagnosed. with um throat.

cancer now we were doing. hostages and we were running the. information up to the defense and we. were running the information from Fort. me to Bowling Air Force Base which is. what close to an hour so whatever. hostages I was working they were running. the information up and the people were. taking the information and giving it to. the Israeli Embassy and the Israelis. were acting on the. information now we got a call one Sunday.

and they said that there was a a marine. Rich Higgins he was a marine Colonel and. he was kid he went to B he went to. Lebanon and he was. kidnapped and they asked if we could. find him and they were very concerned. because he was military and they were. afraid he was going to be. killed so I worked the case and and. um and I I knew his movements they I was.

saying he's moving here I could I was. picking up things that they could come. back and say that okay I I was more or. less matching with the what the Intel. messages were coming in but they did not. know where he was so I looked at they. were giving me image pieces of imagery. so I went to a piece of imagery and I. said he's right there and I pointed to. where Higgins was. and um of course the military people in.

the office said well there's nothing. there it's it's um it's all Woods why. would he be there but the analyst said. it's old imagery so um the hostages the. the the um the terrorist about a month. later after I had put Higgins in this. location the hostages left sometimes. they let hostage just go so there was a. hostage that was let go by hisbah and it.

was a ger it was a German guy cordz so. our analyst went over to Rin mine in. Germany to debrief him and our analyst. asked do you know where Higgins is and. the um Cordes the released hostage said. he's right there it pointed to where I. where I had pointed to wow and the. analyst looked at him and said but. there's nothing there but uh woods and.

the cordz said no they built a structure. there to put Higgins. in and that's where he was wow was that. your first yeah that was that was pretty. good that was yeah I had I think at one. time I had Terry Anderson in the beaw. valley and the analist came back and. said oh he would never be in the Bea. Valley it's not the emo of the ter of. the terrorist but he was cited in the. Bea Valley at one.

time I mean what does that feel like to. get a. confirmation um it was overwhelming but. see what happened was I felt good about. everything but the milit but you know. they G but they didn't really like me it. was just hard why didn't they like you. Joe had kind of mention that that I. don't remember his exact phrase but it. kind kind of sounded. like he was saying you never got a fair.

Shake um first of all I think they. resented the fact that how I got in by a. general which didn't bother me because I. worked in the system long enough to know. if somebody higher up wants you they. pick you and you go and I've seen it and. I've seen they do it with males male. that and I think because I was female I. think because I had the ability before I. went in they could not control that. interesting so not control that so most.

the majority of. the remote viewers they don't have the. ability before no they just they no they. the Army felt that you could bring. people in and train them and you can. train a person you can put you can put a. picture in an envelope and you can train. a person how to access and describe that. picture but I could go I could find. people I could find. things that was just something I could.

do it was like instead of it was my mind. that was the way my mind worked um I. think they resented the fact of how I. got in the fact that um and they knew. they knew I had this ability and I can. remember when my information started to. be when they were using my information. for operational. purposes um they they were fighting with. my boss because they felt that I wasn't.

it wasn't scientifically proven how you. going to scientifically prove it I don't. know and that they wanted to they needed. results I had to prove my results to. them before it should be used in an. operational mode why would I have to. prove myself to them they're not. scientists they were hired to remote. view just like me but I did I think. because I think because the information. we were working in a fully operational. mode I they came down they couldn't find.

Gaddafi's remember the Gaddafi was. supposed to have had a chemical plant. that nobody could find or they said they. knew where it was but they didn't know. how the chemicals were getting there. every time they would go they could. never find the chemicals so they asked. me you know they said what's going on so. I said they were bringing it in I I I. named this vessel and I called it potato. and I spelled it like potato so we wrote.

a report up and we brought it to the it. was brought to the analyst and Dr Verona. saw the report sitting on the analyst's. desks and he says does this mean. anything to you and the uh analyst said. well the vessel is not Pato it's Bato. it's a b instead of a p but I spelled it. with with a p so um and so Dr said do. you think this how we describ the report.

or the scenario he said do you think. this is viable and he said yeah the. analyst said yes so they Dr Verona went. to the. um the commander of Dia defense. intelligence agency and they called they. called turkey and they pulled up a. submarine to watch that. vessel and um and they it came back as. highly probable so we. really they watched The Vessel the The.

Vessel um sailed the root that I said it. was going to sail they said it probably. it probably did have the chemicals on. board or it was probably the way they. were getting in in and out but it wasn't. it wasn't highly successful or. successful it was highly probable okay. but that was good enough I mean so I. mean that was that was nerve-wracking to. think that they're going to pull up a. submarine based on my information now.

that really made me nervous it made my. boss nervous because that was a sole you. know in intelligence you need several. sources of information before you'll go. out and look at something it was so. source so they had a lot of confidence. in you they did do would they have would. they have other remote viewers on the. same project to see if. yeah they would and but and the analyst. it the analyst it that we were working.

with they would ask the um they go what. do your why the other remote viewers. could not work as fast as I could and. they couldn't I was good at finding. things I was good at describing. people see I I was good at personalities. I was good at finding things the other. remote viewers were just taught put the. picture in the envelope it's a Soviet. structure they could be building it was.

just it was a different type of um I was. I was performing it a different. different way. did were you the only one that had. differences from your colleagues or were. there other unique methods no there were. two there were two there was coordinate. remote viewing and extended remote. viewing and then I did my my channeling. and Dr Verona decided to call it WRV. written remote viewing interesting a.

girl came in after me she I taught her. she liked she liked what I did she was. pretty good and um and they gave her a. hard time were you guys all. centralized in the safe place you mean. yes oh yeah so can can you describe what. a what would a daily routine be like at. Stargate well you got we we had two. buildings and one building is where we. had our desks and where we uh would do.

our reports and then you had a second. building where you would go remote view. so uh we would have schedules you know. like on S uh there were there were. remote viewing times I think one was. like 8:00 maybe 11:00. 2:00 um so we would have schedules on. when to remote view um and then if we. weren't remote viewing we would come. over and just do administrative type. things um instead on our desks we would.

type. reports um you know we we it was hard it. was hard to work you can't you can't. work a psychic eight hours a day mhm. when when um in the other building in. the remote viewing building what would. the what would the setting be like uh. you would walk into a room and there. would be a sof there would be a couch. and uh you could sit there if you wanted.

to and relax and then there was a. hallway and then there were two rooms. and the there was a restroom and the two. rooms would have a chair and a desk and. a bed and then then you would go in the. back and it was a huge room with a big. table and you could sit there and do uh. you could remote View and that room had. a lot of um if you needed Maps if you. need if you were remote viewing and you. needed information that you you had Maps.

you had books. there wow I mean this I mean I just man. I want to understand the science behind. this so bad I'm so when you remote View. and you say that it's an energy field. that you're tapping into or The Ether or. I. mean does that mean. that everything has already. happened no it doesn't you it's. easy it's easy to remote view the past.

and it's easy to remote the present. because the footprint is there okay now. if you're asking me to remote view the. future I can remote view the future but. the future has a tendency to change it's. not the footprint isn't there so it's. harder sometimes to read the future than. the past and the present okay okay is. it is it. a is it mentally exhausting oh my.

goodness yes yeah what does it feel like. it I just I just couldn't there there. were times I just couldn't work I had. done the uh I had found a fugitive a. customs agent that went bad uh Charles. Jordan they brought me in on that case. um we were having some we were having. good luck with the hostages and we were. doing some other locational work that um. that I was.

having success with so there was a there. was a TV program the 10 most wanted it. was a 10 Mo um and there was a man named. Charles Jordan he was on The 10most. Wanted list he was a customs agent that. went rogue he he took the the C the. money from the drugs and he didn't want. to be he went dirty he was dirty so. Customs called in Dr Verona and said. we're looking for this guy and you know. in police or military organizations if.

you. somebody if they're dirty that you know. that you really they really want that. guy bad to think that's the whole. mentality is we got to have him because. he you know he's just he's bad so um I. went into session with Fern and all he. did is he asked me where was Charles. Jordan and it came out I said Lao. Wyoming and it came out like that it. just came out.

and. um he looked at me and he said he was. from Level Massachusetts he no I said. the guy was in L Wyoming and fern said. well I I was born in L Massachusetts are. you sure you mean Wyoming and I said yes. cuz I had the feeling of the West you. know the wild west that whole feeling. came over and I said no it's. Wyoming so we had we had some maps there.

and we were looking through the United. States maps and we looked at Wyoming and. he said well there's a level Wyoming not. l so I spelled it l w l l but it was. really l o v e l l and I said well. that's close enough and then I wanted to. leave and I think he wanted me to work. more because you you know in the. government you just can't have a report. saying lav. level. Wyoming so I but I couldn't I I figured.

that was it wow and we didn't think we. had credit for it but we did we found. out years later that nobody believed me. what I said and then they found him and. when they did the reenactment in. 1995 the custom we said oh it's too bad. we didn't get credit for the um you know. for finding the guy they said oh no it. was because of my information they said. the man Charles Jordan the one that the.

um he sent his mother a picture of. himself to show her that he was healthy. and that he was okay and when they saw. the pictures they saw the Wyoming. license plate and so they knew I was. right and then they started looking up. in Wyoming and a security guard at. Yellowstone saw him but they said no it. was because of me it it turned the whole. search around wow and they found him. wow okay now you ask about automatic. writing it is Spirit writing have you.

ever heard of it no it is it's it's like. you get um people say it's your higher. self I feel it's it it's a guide you. know we all have guides or Angels okay. so I was so what happened was is I was. writing Spirit writing and the spirit. kind of identified himself as. George okay now you're I want to tell. you this story because you're talking. about negative and. positive my sister came home one night.

from work and I said hey I said I'm. doing channeling here from a guy little. guy named George so my sister said oh. well I want to do that so she started. writing and she said well I got a little. guy here named Mory she called him Mory. and at one point Mory said I am a. negative spirit so I said Louise I said. stop doing it I said because I heard you. know you can get these negative spirits. and then they attach to you and we don't. we know we want everything to be good so.

she said okay so then I think she. started writing to another guide and. every once in a while this little myy. would pop up and he'd say hey I'm here. and I am a negative spirit so we were. getting like kind of nervous you you he. you had interaction with him too as well. my sister did my s s and every once in a. while he would pop up so I didn't know. what to do so. um I think I don't know who I talked to.

it could have been somebody at work cuz. I was get and they said oh your sister. needs psychiatric help so I went back to. my sister and I said L do you think you. need psychological help she said. probably so we kept riding she said. probably who. doesn't she said probably you know and I. said I don't know about this I don't. know about Mory so um but we kind of. like him and he was sticking around and. he was giving us pretty good information. about um he was giving information about.

my mother's dead relatives who we didn't. know so my you know he'd give us. information and my sister would call my. mother and she'd say oh yeah yeah that's. right that's right and um he said that. my one cousin was going to have a baby. they've been trying to adopt for years. and oh yeah they're going to get their. girl on March 19th which they did so he. was pretty accurate but then he would. say oh and by the way I am a negative. spirit so um I went to see Fred.

Mansbridge because this astrology woman. told my sister we should go see Fred. Mansbridge so the night before my sister. went to see Mansbridge she was going to. have the first session with him Mory. said I am tonight I am leaving you. forever and he and we said oh you by. that time you know we had him around for. about a month and we're like you don't. have to leave you're okay and I and I. said don't tell anybody he's negative. because we really liked him so he said.

no this is it I'm leaving you forever so. the next night the next day when my. sister went to see Fred mbridge my. sister said I'm channeling through a. guide named Mory and Fred Mansbridge. said no no no no you're go you're um. you're channeling through a guy named. Maurice Maurice is the positive and Mory. is the negative address the guy died as. Maurice so from that point on she. addressed him as Maurice and myy did.

leave her. forever. wow. wow hey did leave her forever so he. really wasn't bad he was good I mean we. liked him he was we liked him and we're. like oh you know you don't have to go. and so what you're saying is for every. positive there's ative that's right. wow fascinating stuff that's that's why. it doesn't and I thought well there's. your answer on your negativity man. there's your answer on your negativity.

when they when they bring you in is it. is it a single remote viewer or do they. have do they bring in a team no it's a. single remote viewer single remote. viewer yeah you can't work with other. remote viewers in the same room because. you could be picking up what they're. thinking I always wondering about that. yeah you always yeah even whenever. people work in groups when you go to. these. metaphysical um churches or they put. remote they put psychics in a group and. then every psychic will say you could be. picking up on um the on what the other.

psychic said so no it's you always go. one at a time interesting. interesting Angela let's take a let's. take a quick break okay and then uh when. we come back I I want to talk. about I'd like to ask you about just. some some personal Ventures maybe that. you have never shared or that you've. gone on okay thank. you are you tired of scrolling through.

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classic all right Angela we're back from. the break and uh I wanted to kind of. pause on your career for a minute and I. wanted to ask you about you know maybe. some personal Ventures that you've used. remote viewing for and so kind of what. I'm I mean if if I knew how to tap into. this I would I would I just have so many.

questions about the past about religion. about UFOs. about all kinds of stuff and so I'm I'm. wondering if you use this to for your. own. curiosity oh yeah yeah of course I would. oh of course I yeah I read I would read. anything I could on it well I mean so.

here's an. example. uh I would love to. know maybe what what some of the things. were happening in World War II or or the. Bible or just big questions Oh you mean. use your psychic abilities to kind of. figure it out yes ma'am yeah I yeah. sometimes what sometimes you don't know. if you're right though but you don't. have the feedback and so you don't know.

if you're right or whatever so sometimes. you have to do you may be curious about. something or think of something and. maybe try to figure it out and then. maybe it'll just do some research maybe. your thinking was right or maybe you. have to look for your feedback to see if. what you were feeling was right. interesting what what are some of the. big questions that you've. I guess what goes on after we leave um. after we leave this I guess after our.

body or physical. body I you know I don't think I I sort. of think that we sort of go on in some. way um and I do believe that there I was. born and raised Catholic um but I had to. let go a lot of that I just had to let a. lot of that thinking Go I mean like to. think that we go on in some way I do. believe that there was a man named Jesus. that walked the Earth um and but you.

know there were other people too that. were here to teach lessons um and. we my biggest thing was what you know. what happens after we go on I'm. interested to know do we come in. reincarnation I've asked can do we come. back um what what do you believe happens. when we die I just think you're kind of. met I think you're sort of you go over.

with um I believe that you go on and. that you're reunited with your with your. soul family or. with your karma group the way I. understand it is that we come in we come. into we come into this life with our. Karma group now karma we have Karma Good. Karma and Bad Karma so the same people. that I was. with I just think that that we somehow. we come back and we come back with the.

same people really I believe in yeah I. do what what would a what is a Karma. group well it's the same like in other. words the people you know now you knew. before in a past life did you ever go. somewhere and just felt. like like you knew somebody or that. you've been there before yes yeah. that's I've known you yeah that's yeah. what do. you what do you think Deja Vu.

is the remembering of a past life you. think it's the remembering of a past. life yeah if it happened before either. you were at that place I felt like I had. that with a couple of my. animals why do you think. that why why do I think what why do you. think. that.

we. travel with a Karma group um because it. just makes um because we have things to. work out with them I. guess who would they who would be in. that Karma group friends uh relatives. friends people that you meet all through. your life um you know I just everybody. that you know everybody that so. everybody in your sphere of you would. know I think it was explained to me like.

you know you've got 1 million people. will leave this earth and then 1 million. people will come down to to replace the. 1 million people that left do we. immediately come back I don't know I. don't I don't know I don't I don't think. so I think you kind of have to wait for. your karma group to figure out you know. you know if you come back this time. where you going to be my mother or my. sister or my father. or why do you think that we come back. what what have you experience that makes.

you believe that probably to uh to get. better into whatever errors we have try. to replace them why we there's a reason. why we come back do we need to learn. more love do we need to learn more. patience have. you have you had any. any experiences that solidify your. beliefs not really I mean I can't I.

can't um I don't have any scientific. evidence I did have a I did have one. woman put me through a past life um and. I don't know if it's true it it was sort. of like a hypnotic state where you kind. of go and visualize a past life and I. think I was in Nova Scotia growing wheat. I remember that. I remember that but I remember. also um there was a religion there that.

was very. strict um I can remember in whatever. under that session I remembered. belonging to an organized religion that. was very. strict and so when I came out of that I. I I probably figured well the Catholic. religion that I grew up with probably. um repres you know that energy was. probably coming from that energy from.

that past life and so somehow I just. maybe I cleared myself of it be in this. life have you have you looked into have. you tried to look. into religion at all such as the. crucifixion. you. have do you not want to talk about.

that. okay do you want to talk about you had. mentioned you had had a UFO experience. yeah when I was 13 years old um this was. another thing too that had happened to. me um um we were playing a bunch of us. kids we were playing baseball it was a. spring day and it was it was right at. that time that um it you know the day.

goes into it was dusk where the day goes. into the darkness so we had to quit. playing baseball so we were walking. across the baseball field and we heard. this and we saw an unidentified object. it was green light with the ring around. it and it just went over us so we. screamed and we yelled and people came. out and they pointed to the um objects. so yeah I did have a UFO experience and.

so that that all kind of leads you into. thinking about stuff too it does it. does have you looked into any more UFO. type stuff or. extraterrestrial I spoke with Joe about. this and he had he had. uh I don't remember the date but it. was I don't I don't remember the date it. was BC and they wanted him to remote.

view. Mars and he had remote viewed some type. of a pyramid. that that are you familiar with this. m well he had remote viewed Mars I'm. just going to throw an arbitrary number. out let's say 10,000 BC it's probably. not 10,000 BC but I'm just throwing a. number out and he remote View Mars and. and. and had. uh his experience basically if I.

remember correctly there was pyramids. and it looked like people were evading. something and they were using that as. some type of a some typee of a. protective. shelter. um have you remote viewed any have you. remote viewed anything in. space um yes but that yes but I don't. but I don't I didn't try TR the no I but. I don't trust the information because I. was remote viewing Mars but I I I didn't.

trust the information that or the. feedback because I don't think it was. known at the time what did you what was. the. feedback. um I can't even remember but it didn't. make sense okay it was it it was it it. was at Fort me there was there was one. guy there he wanted everybody to remote. View Mars but the protocol he would it. wasn't good it just was it was a it.

wasn't a clean protocol and I just. didn't trust the in and I don't even. remember because I don't trust the. session and I don't trust the. information so you don't trust anything. unless you get unless you get the. feedback well in remote viewing yeah in. remote viewing but see a lot of this. stuff like a lot of times I read or I. have my own personal feelings on stuff. but I don't know but I kind of have my. own feeling on things how things go or. whatever but you know in the psychic.

world if I'm performing I would need the. feedback even if I give psychic readings. you just it's sort of I kind of have to. take what my thoughts are or what my. beliefs are I just take it out of the. equation is that hard for you to do no. because I just I know what I believe and. I just know what you can what I can't mm. mm why do you believe what you.

believe uh because with reincarnation. and it to me it makes sense to me it to. me it makes sense um it it I I. it I had a lot of questions. about why I felt certain things or why I. thought a certain way and when I started. to study about reincarnation or what I. it it closed up a lot of answers for. me it just it it just made I I didn't.

believe in reincarnation at first. because I was born Catholic but once I. overcame that hurdle and believe and. started saying this could be possible I. even I I my Psy I even evened up even. opened up more psychically it was like I. had to get that belief. system it it just it just was another it. was just made somehow on some level it.

made sense that it just opened me up. more interesting interesting it didn't. scare me it was like you know that makes. sense um I guess energy doesn't die we. you know we can come back have you had. any visions of past lives well I had the. one woman like I said with the Nova. Scotia but that was like hypnotherapist. she kind of put me under but yeah I feel. like I may have been in England at some.

point but I do I do I have I had a dog I. knew I God that dog just I felt a p I. just knew I went through something with. that dog and I have a cat now that I. just feel like I'm I just feel that it's. just something you feel I guess you. can't just can't it's an intuition yeah. but there are certain things I like to. watch on certain things that I watch or.

I'm attracted to or you know and I often. wonder well if I have a strong. attraction to something or if I'm. obsessed with something uh maybe I'll do. some research or whatever and I'll think. well maybe maybe there's a connection. there but I don't know what it is for. sure you had mentioned and when you had. mentioned I can't remember if it was on. a break or if it was earlier in today's. interview but you had mentioned that you.

believe we all have. Angels or guides or guides where do. those come from I guess from the. Heavenly Realms from the invisible. Realms you know they call it be Beyond. the Veil or the veil I guess there's. just a veil that kind of separates the. SE we see see things here but it's just. a thin veil to see into the other Realms. and I think that's where they come from.

do you believe in a higher power like. like like God yeah I think that there is. yeah and I think that God gives us a lot. of free. will and I think that man makes a you. know I I think God just gives us a lot. of free will and that. um mankind. maybe. like just keeps doing what we're.

doing what about. extraterrestrials yeah I like I said I. had the uh I had the. um the experience I had the UFO. experience and um whenever I moved into. Washington DC I lived in an apartment in. Washington DC and I was I live and I had. a woman friend who was she must have. been about 20 30 years older than me and. I needed to move into Washington DC be.

um and so she brought me to this. apartment complex where she used to live. and um so my sister and I lived in this. apartment and it was small so one day. the landlord said that our neighbors. were moving out we could have the larger. apartment which we took well my. girlfriend called me up my woman friend. and she said I used to live in that. apartment that's where I used to live so. one.

time one night I got a little ring. outside and she said uh my friends are. here we want to come up and see the. apartment so she came up and um and she. said oh I used to live here and this you. know your bedroom was where my the. baby's room was so she was with a woman. named meline and meline. said um Ruth do you remember what. happened in this apartment and Ruth said. no and she said this was where the first. film of UFOs were shown and this.

Madeline worked for an Egyptian. researcher named adamsky and adamsky was. he researched UFOs and artifacts and. they showed the first film of UFOs was. showed in the apartment that I lived. in. wow I mean that's not an accident yeah. do you believe UFOs. are I mean some people believe it's some. type of a spiritual entity and some. people believe it's actually nuts and.

bolts. [Music]. um flying objects with with. extraterrestrials and what what what do. you um I think that the I think that the. now if you read the books about. civilization weren't they supposed to be. here at one time and help build our and. helped they I think they're here to help. us are they're supposed to help us H how. so I don't know didn't they come here.

and kind of at the beginning of Earth. they said when Earth wasn't. so. um I guess they were trying to help they. had visited Earth before and they were. to help they help mankind is from what I. understand I mean there's all kinds of. theories out there I I am a Christian so. you know I believe what I believe but. there's there's definitely lots. of of theories out there about um you.

know the. pyramids Stonehenge yeah that's Easter. Island all of these things and it sounds. like you know I've interviewed a lot of. other people like uh are you familiar. with Randall Carlson by chance no what. no what did he say uh Randall. basically uh you know in a very dubed. down version he thinks that the. the basically that the Earth.

resets. and that there were older civilizations. that went extinct that were possibly way. more advanced than anything that we have. now and it's like a it's just a big it's. almost like sounds like kind of like. reincarnation yeah I could agree with. that a reset I like that a reset I like. that that makes sense have you ever. remote viewed anything such as.

that the lost city of. Atlantis. um I think I did one time but I felt I. was underwater a lot did it go. underwater the Atlantis yeah well. nobody's found it okay cuz I thought I. was under water um no. but I have not Atlantis.

but oh the um Stonehenge remote view. Stonehenge I felt like that was the in. the pyramids I felt like there was some. type of Supernatural helper energy there. on both of. those Stonehenge and the the Egyptian. pyramid mhm is that is that something. that you remote viewed or is that yeah I. remote viewed and I felt like they were. there were Supernatural energy or help.

that put these things in place can you. describe that. experience um it. was very expanding I felt like the. energy was very expanding and I felt. there was a lot of knowledge and I F. felt there was a lot of light and. goodness um it was a time of learning I. it especially with the Egyptian I felt. like there was.

um it you know it was very Monumental it. was a time of. learning um I felt it was good energy it. was all good energy it was exciting. interesting. interesting what are. some personal Ventures that really stick. out in your. mind you mean in remote viewing yes you. mean in remote viewing helping other. people or remote. viewing something that's not on the.

job oh how I help somebody your. extracurricular whether it's whether. it's it's you're trying to answer your. own Curiosities or could be helping. somebody oh yeah I did help somebody. once I did help somebody once and it's. it's a fun story and I lost his number. but I I got a guy I got a call I got a. call one night from a guy from New York.

and I don't know how he got my number. but he was an older. gentleman and um and this is a f i mean. this this is just he called me up and he. said I've never been married he said I. want to be married he says I want to. have children and I and I guess I'm. going to have to marry somebody younger. because he really wanted children so he. said do you think I'm going to be. married I said I think you're going to. get married he goes well where am I. going to meet my wife oh and and he said.

how am I going to meet my wife and and I. just said she's your. neighbor and he could hear me go go and. he you could hear him go what what are. you talking about what do you mean she. I'm thinking of my neighbor I don't have. a neighbor I can meet what do you mean. so you know by that time I'm just. getting um he says I'm going to go. online and I'm going to find a girl I. said okay go online I didn't even you. know and it was like a 10-minute. conversation that I you know I didn't. even charge him money so about 3 months.

later he calls me up and he goes hey I'm. I I go online nothing's working out you. think I'm going to get married I go. you're going to get married and he goes. who am I going to marry I go you're. going to marry your neighbor and he goes. he goes what are you talking about. you're crazy so we argue and we argue. and he's did this a couple of times so. one time he. called and and I he goes this is Abe and. he heard me take a breath like oh no.

here we go again and he goes please. please don't hang up he goes please. don't hang up he said he goes guess what. I go what I go he goes I'm getting. married I said who are you marrying he. said my neighbor so I. said so I said so so tell he said there. was a school that that he one of he he. lived next to a school or a college or. something and apparently the girl was.

going to school there or something so it. was his neighbor who and then she. happened to be his sister's neighbor so. you know but anyway but I could tell he. could tell by that time I was ready to. hang up the phone with him and he goes. please don't hang up don't hang up. listen to me listen to me go. wow so I go okay now are you happy I he. goes yeah I'm happy I'm happy but I I I.

wanted to stay in contact with him but. to find out if he ever had children but. I'm sure he did wow that's. fascinating before we move on with your. career also we had a I wanted to save a. kind of I kind of cut it on the break. but you we were talking about other. dimensions how would you describe other. dimensions. ions I don't know I mean I guess they're. just other.

um I don't know I. guess I don't know I mean how can. um sometimes if you look up at the stars. at night I mean that's kind of. different I would feel like that would. be a different. mention well what you were describing. was it sounded like your mother yeah my.

mother would. um I I have no idea how to even explain. this but she would um as she got older. in like my mother was very she was very. psychic and as she got older in life she. would call me up and she would. say she was you know she was coming home. from shopping or from grocery shopping. and that she would make a right you know. she would turn on the road to come home. and she would so she would turn on the.

road and then she would be somewhere and. she said that she would she would um be. there and she would you know she would. see beautiful stars or she'd see. beautiful scenery and then she would sit. there for a while and then she would. drive home and then it would hit her. later that were that wherever she turned. there was no. road so what was she doing was she was. going some she had to be going into. another dimension or.

something so you she's saying she was. physically in another dimension she had. to have been because there would and she. and when I would go home to visit her. she would say this is where I turn and. it would be there would be no Road it. would be corn. fields what would what would she. experience there oh wonderful she said. oh it was beautiful she said that she. felt a lot of Peace a lot of love she. felt. energized um and she would have to.

remind herself that she would have to oh. she would kind of get shocked oh yeah I. better get. home and that happened to her a couple. of times Wow have you experienced other. dimensions not like. that but in a different. way sometimes headwise I feel I'm. someplace else. um some I don't not like she did but.

sometimes I feel I don't know sometimes. I feel I feel like the planet's moving. sometimes what do you mean by that you. can feel the planets. move how. so I don't know they just move. sometimes I don't know sometimes I feel. like my head's just I don't. know is. I'm sorry I'm bombarding you with. questions right now. um would you say.

that psychic abilities are a form. of advanced. intuition like a gut feeling like let me. let me let me give an example. so you're kind of talking about reading. energy. am I correct and so as a.

seal entering a room an unknown room on. a on a Target and I'm clearing the. room you can feel an energy in there you. can. feel who's. good who's bad. you're you you enter into kind of. somewhat of a flow. State.

and it. becomes a very intuitive. experience. and I've talked to several former. colleagues of mine and and everybody. kind of says the same thing you're. breeding energy and and you're you're. feeling the room and it's. it's it's intuition some of it. it's a gut feeling you know or when. you're in a place and and you feel like.

something bad's about to happen. sometimes people get a gut feeling is. that similar to that's exactly what it. is and probably you're high you're. working at a higher level than. intuition if you're going into a. situation and have to you know figure. out who's good who's bad in your inner. room it's it's it's higher than. intuition. now they found that a lot of people in. the investigative in investigative work. like a lot of cops they develop that six.

sense like all of a sudden they'll. they'll solve a case all on a. hunch you know and and um and. sometimes uh a lot of they don't want to. talk about it because they're afraid. they're going to be laughed at but yeah. a lot of investigative people probably a. lot of Navy SEALs you you develop that. you develop that you that's you have to. develop that to.

survive so you're probably doing that. that's more than intuition that it's. you're it's a you're you're it's you're. operating at a at a. higher it's more than but always listen. to your gut mhm I've learned that I've. learned that the hard way several times. yeah I know and and I've and I've gone. to got yeah me too and I yeah that. happens yeah yeah I've gone against just.

every time I go against. it I regret it and uh so I really try. not to do that now no matter no matter. how excited I am about an opportunity or. or an individual that I'm about to meet. or. or yeah you get I get a I get a feeling. about it every once in a while and then. and I really try to follow. that so can. you is this something that that you can.

can you tap into it or is it just. switched on all the. time um you mean the. intuition I think it works for you. whenever I think it work I really think. it works for you when you need it if you. walk if you want to walk through that. door and you're in intuition is telling. you don't walk through that door you. know it's if it's D it could scream at. you really loud don't don't walk through. that door and and if you listen to your.

intuition you wouldn't walk through the. door I think that. um I don't sometimes I think your it can. intuition and your psychic abilities can. be very high and other times they're not. as high but you can't be psychic all the. time at a high level cuz then you're. going to be. crazy okay you know I in and I know. there's a lot of naysayers out there. about this and and and but you know I.

think a perfect example. of of this would. be that people. can I can't say relate to but if you. talk to rape victims a lot of rape. victims had knew they were in a bad. situation before it actually happened. and do do you know what I'm saying they. they get an they get a feeling that.

something's not right and go against. their gut and then it happens yeah oh. yeah and so I I just I'm trying to bring. more common occurrences up to the. audience so that they can yeah always. listen to the gut begin to wrap their. head around what we're what we're. speaking. about yeah. yeah and I yeah I yeah I think that um I. mean you've had experience where you.

know like you think of somebody and they. call or you know you know that what's in. you're going out to the mail but you. know what's in the. mailbox yes yeah that's intuition and. that's all good but I also think too it. it it works at higher it could it's more. than that and it and you can it's more. than that I mean even uh. manifestation how do you manifest. something yeah a lot of people into man. yeah how do you manifest what you need a.

lot of people. um I haven't got that one yet I haven't. I haven't do have you felt like you've. manifest things that you wanted in your. life I. do several. things I I do it how did you do. visualize. or you know I. don't I. don't now I'm starting. to I'm understanding how tough these.

questions can be that I'm asking you I. don't know how to describe it um I do. believe I've manifested things I believe. I've. manifested I believe that I've. manifested certain things within my. family I believe I've manifested certain. things within. business uh I believe I've manifested. things not even realizing that I've. manifested them and and uh if you'd like. I could give you a couple of examples. yeah please so it's interesting cuz me.

and uh me and Laura who you met uh were. having a discussion about this if if. this is all real I mean it's you know. it's a controversial subject and I said. I I think. that I absolutely believe that it's real. because we don't understand we only use. 10% of our brains. supposedly we don't understand. Consciousness and I think we're capable. of so much more than we have any we put.

the limitations on ourselves. everybody there's the old saying you. know that that that that that there are. no limits sky is the limit and and no. matter who you are you're putting some. sort of limitation on yourself you could. be the wealthiest man in the world well. I still think that there are limitations. in his head that are keeping him from. achieving other goals maybe not. Financial maybe not business but.

anyways so some examples would. be here's an accidental one that I think. may have happened when I proposed to my. wife I did it in. Alaska and I wanted to I I went there to. work with a with a with a with a former. seal named Jeff Reed who's an idod uh. racer now. and I went up to shoot some content with.

him for um for YouTube and when we went. up there I wanted to it was also a. vacation for me and my f my girlfriend. at the time and uh who's now my wife and. I told Jeff when we got there I said hey. I want to propose to my wife here and I. want to do it under the Northern Lights. having no idea that and this is in. August had no idea that Northern Lights.

never show up in August AUST and I. believe he said you you'll be. lucky if the Northern Lights popped in. October that would be the earliest time. that you'll see them this is Fairbanks. Alaska later that night that same night. that I told and I I thought oh all. right well I guess I'll. I'll maybe I'll get a helicopter to her. and do it on top of a glacier and Denali. National Park or something like that.

well fast forward that. evening he shoots me a text and says. you're not going to believe this but the. northern lights are out right now and. you got about 15 minutes cuz they never. stay out longer than that and I was like. I had flown my film crew up and I. had to give them a ride from the airport. and they flew in separately so I went. and picked up the first guy went back. picked up the second. guy that's about an hour and a half's. Time worth then they want to tell me all.

about their European Vacation that they. went on and my and Katie and I'm. freaking out cuz the northern lights are. still kicking an hour and a half later. then it took me about an hour and a half. 2 hours to find a place to do it went. all over the place the Northern. Lights finally kicked off after 2 three. hours of lighting up the sky I finally. found my. spot they went away and I just.

thought God please just give me just. just a. glimmer so that I can just propose to my. girlfriend. here they came back on she was passed. out I'm waking her up I'm going hey get. up wake up we got to get out and uh. proposed to her as soon as we kissed the. entire Sky lit up lit up with the. Northern Lights there you go and in. August which apparently.

is MHM next to impossible so you. manifested that I think so you know and. I've I. have lots more examples. of similar things you know with. with every aspect of my life and then. but that was just me. thinking fast forward I. had uh you know psychedelics actually. really opened my mind up to all of this.

and uh I had I don't want to get into. that now but that really expanded my. mind it made me realize there are so. many more. possibilities uh than we can even. imagine. and and that got me into. meditation that got me into. manifestation and I thought you know. what I'm just going to concentrate on. one thing that I want to. happen is is without having intrusive.

thoughts into my head so I would start. meditating which I've gotten away from. that I would put a rif machine on do you. know what a rif machine is and I put a. rif machine on during my meditation I. would let all the thoughts clear my. head like uh the way it was described me. as think of think of thoughts like. clouds and just let them all run through. until you're completely at peace and. then think of think of what you want and.

so I would do that. and things would start. happening so much. so that it made. me it's really made me hesitant to. vocalize things out loud while people. people that I maybe have screwed me over. or that I don't like or whatever because. now I'm I'm I'm starting I'm beginning. to realize holy what you throw out.

into the world might actually happen and. uh so I've been. very hesitant. to I don't wish bad on people anymore. and I used to and then I saw some of. those things come to fruition as well. and. uh and uh I realize how powerful thought. can actually be meditation is very very.

powerful do you meditate I not as much. as I should I used to do more but I. think it's very powerful I do too I knew. a woman that meditated she said one day. she woke up she says you it's like your. body becomes like a river that you just. flow and she said she woke up one. morning and she said I just I wanted an. apple and she said 10 minutes later a. guy was at her door with a bush of.

apples but you know that's just an. example. but yeah um yeah it's be careful what. you say yeah I know about PE some. sometimes you just have to feel I I. don't even try to I don't even dislike. people anymore I just let it go yeah. it's I guess they have their own lessons. or whatever I'm not quite to that point. yet but I'm working on it there's just. there's just so much I mean people can. be funny sometimes yeah.

yeah but well let's get back to your. career at DIA okay where did we leave. off well the program ended in 1995 so I. was able to um we the program ended I. had to go back into I went back to the. the headquarters at bowling Air Force. space and I worked as an analyst um I. worked as a. um Russian and Chinese analyst working. certain issues okay what ended the.

program um I think that when Dr Verona. retired I think we lost a lot of our. support and it and they put in his. replacement was a man who I don't think. really wanted the. program um. and we Dale graph had retired we lost a. lot of support we had a lot of. congressional support we had a lot of um. um we had high support that just went.

away when certain people retired and the. people coming in they didn't have the. Curiosity for the um learning they. didn't have they didn't have the. Curiosity to try to learn how we think. it works if you go into a session to. work uh an oper operational Target they. were giving you too much. information. um it just they just didn't want us and. I think Congress was TR Congress.

Congress was trying to help us and they. thought if we they could get us to. CIA at least we we may have we may have. more support well when they transferred. us to CIA CIA said they wanted to do a. six-month study and they did a six-month. study but they never. they never gave whoever did the study. they did an out they called in a company. from the outside to do a study to see if. ESP works but they never gave them.

people the clearances so that they could. read the operational successes that we. had and they came out six months later. and says no this doesn't work well what. happened was we were packing up boxes. and we were packing up all the. information from Fort me and it ended up. in. Langley um and after they closed the. program we I was back at at bowling.

working for Dia and I got a call from a. guy at the department of uh defense a. policy maker and he said he said he. wanted to go he he was a policy maker in. charge of special access programs and he. was curious as to why that program was. shut down so he called me up and said. let's go to the CIA and get the. documents he wanted to see um he wanted. to see the documents to find out why it.

was shut down whenever he knew there was. some good work coming out of there so. when we went to retrieve the documents. the documents were never opened from so. they never let when they the documents. were never opened for anybody to review. them to see if um if if if we were good. at if we ever solved any problems so I. think the CIA did not want us. interesting and I think the CIA gets.

blamed for everything no matter what. goes wrong the CIA gets blamed for. everything and I think the CIA had that. one program back in what the 50s and 60s. where they were. um where they were um doing mind control. on people and giving people LSD and. Congress had to stop that and I and I. and George tenant was a uh was the head. of the CIA at the time and I think he. just didn't want to take it on it would.

have been too much of a headache. interesting do you think and and also. too I think they had to start getting. rid of smaller programs there was uh the. downs and there was budget too and so I. think CIA must have I think they got a. message from Congress saying get rid of. your small programs or something and. they got scared so they just erased them. but I do think that we they did not give. the um program I when they brought in.

that agency to say whether or not this. can be used in an operational mode I. don't think that we were given a fair. Shake because it was used in an. operational mode and we've had successes. do you think that the program continued. on under a different name at a later. date. no and if it did not if when our program. existed we had it was congressionally. mandated we had the remote viewers we. had the research that uh we had research.

going on we were the government was. paying Stanford they were pay we had a. lot of research money going out and then. we had the foreign assessment meaning we. had an an analyst looking at what other. countries were doing so it was a. robust it was a robust um. program plus we need so now I when I. went back to to DIA and worked a lot of. people would say oh I remote View and.

iot and and I'm in touch and this is. what I get and this is what I don't no I. don't think there was and even if there. was they weren't doing it in the formal. way that was being. done and if it was being done where was. the information given to to help people. I don't think so I just don't think so. and also if if a program were to to. exist at some point they would have had.

to look at the science and if they would. have looked at the science certain. people would have been contacted like Ed. May SRI no I don't think so do you think. so a lot of people say oh it's going on. it's going. on I do think I do think so why do you. say that. because because I've had former.

colleagues tell me that they've. seen they've seen them bring them. in bring them bring what in bring remote. viewers in okay and that could be. because I met a kid in Florida who said. he was he could move he could he could. move OB you know he bent coins and that. and I think he was brought in by the CIA. interesting but that's not so that's one. thing but that's not a program I mean.

that's yeah maybe maybe so I. mean it maybe they do bring people in. and use them police police agencies. bring people psychics in and use them. are the people getting paid if they're. are this are they getting. paid I don't know I didn't personally. see them uh but people that have that. are very close to me that I've worked. very close with that I still have. relationships with today have told me.

about this before I even knew what the. hell remote viewing was okay like did. you see that they just brought remote. viewers in and I go what the hell is a. remote viewer but and now today I've. reached back out and I'm like I remember. when you told me this. I mean I mean maybe they were but it. still didn't make it the it still didn't. make it. a I guess we were mandated I.

guess you know we would go to a building. and work if you bring somebody in that's. different are you paying them. interesting yeah yeah I don't know I. don't have the answers to those. questions but I'd like to move on I know. you have you want to talk about Yuri. Geller okay I y Gall story okay in 2 I. retired from the federal government in. 2010 um now in.

2015 no. 2014 um Annie Jacobson wrote um She. interviewed people for her book um. phenomenal yeah I got a call so I was. interviewed by Annie for her book and. one night I received an email from her. and she was going over some of my. training targets and she liked one of my. training targets it was the St Louis Art. the St Louis arc and she said and she.

wanted to use that for the book because. I did a good job in in in remote viewing. the St Louis arc so. um so she emailed me and she said you. know read this is this right I want to. put the you know what you did about the. St Louis Ark in the book and I said and. I emailed her back and I said yeah I. I'll give you information and then she. emailed me back and she says can you do. it now I'm kind of in a hurry I'm. leaving for Israel tomorrow I'm going to.

uh Yori Galler invited her to his. house to come out and I said well I. thought you already interviewed him. because she went to England to interview. him and she said no she said no I. interviewed him in England but I've. never been to Israel and he asked me to. go he asked me to go to Israel so I said. oh well good for you so I guess while. she was over there so we ended on the. note that we were talking about the St.

Louis the St Louis Ark you know she. wanted that information before she left. so she went over to Israel and she was. spending time with Yori and at one point. she said um I want to buy postcards for. my family and they were in a tea shop so. the owner of the tea shop came over and. he said my post cards are on that top. are on that top shelf so Yori Galler. went o I guess either her or Yori Galler. went over and I think it was him he.

reached up on the um and no I think it. was him because he reached up on the. shelf and he picked out a postcard for. her and here it was the St Louis. Ark and that's what she and and that's. what her and I were discussing before. she left so when she saw the picture she. knew she identified it with me wow and. she freaked I guess she kind of freaked. out and she said oh you're not going to. believe this.

but um she was using the this the St. Louis arc is one of her um for. information for the paper so anyway I. think she kind of freaked out so she's. like oh my goodness why this of all. things why the St Louis Arc in Israel so. anyway he signed it for me it says for. Angela a much energy and love Yuri. Galler and then he drew a. picture wow so what is the that's. incredible what is the what was the.

story behind your remote viewing of the. St Louis arc it was just a training. Target that I did and I did a very good. job and she just wanted to put it in the. book like this this you know this viewer. was tasked in other words the St Louis. arc is an arc and when I remote viewed. it I you know drew the Arc it was just. something that she wanted to show in the. book and in the book she describes my. remote viewing session of the St Louis.

Ark and when she emailed me she said. this was an excellent session I want to. put it in the book and she needed more. information from me about the say there. was nothing significant about it it was. just a training Target that I remote. viewed at one time and that she wanted. information on it right before she left. before she went to meet yorri Galler. because she was impressed with the. target so my last conversation with her. was about the St Louis Ark so when she.

went to see Yori and he picked up. the the um not a coincidence she she. completely thought of me and she was. like oh my goodness you know I just. couple of days ago she was discussing. this with me man I mean what do you make. of stuff like that. I I don't know does that does that have. to do with the creating your own reality. at. all I don't know I.

mean I don't. know you and Yuri gelly Yuri Geller work. together correct no I never met him what. is the catch the catch spy. story what story is that I have in my. notes Angelo helped up excuse me Scott. car. Michael Scott I was on C I was on CBS. Sunday Morning News I was interviewed.

and Yori was interviewed too for that. program but we weren't interviewed at. the same time okay but so I did have. that connection um well that came after. the book how did you catch a. spy um I this was I was approached. by after the program ended and I was. back at DIA working as an analyst you. know people would approach me can you do. this can you do that cuz they knew what. I did and um sometimes I'd help them.

sometimes I wouldn't but I but there was. one man that really wanted help and he. um he asked if if. um he asked me if I would help him and I. think you know he got the okay from some. higher but we had to do it on private. time we couldn't do it on government. time so I was helping this man out do it. was a very sensitive project and um and.

I was helping him but whatever. information I was getting I don't know. what I was getting because I didn't even. know what the operation. was I gave him some information and he. called in a colleague of his by the name. of Scott carmichel and he said Scott I. have some information here that I know. what you're working on and this. information may be helpful to you know. for some of your friends over at the. state department by friends he meant. people that he worked with that share.

information with the state department. and Scott said well how did you get this. information and the guy and the man said. I got it by from a psychic and Scott. said from a psychic are you crazy I'm. not going to go to the state department. and tell them that this information came. from a psychic he said I wouldn't I'm. not going to do that so anyway Scott. said that he left but he said it you.

know he had this problem he had this um. he had this case that he just couldn't. get um out of his mind he just couldn't. get out of his mind so he went back to. my friend and he said how he said you. know how how do how does this work work. so the guy said well here just put what. give what do you want to know and. they'll make up a little envelope and. they'll put something in the envelope. and they'll mix the envelope in with.

this guy's stuff and then they'll pick. it out and some point I would be working. on Scott's project so I guess one day I. woke up or one they gave me this project. and I don't know what I said I. identified a guy is I think Baker I said. the last name was Baker maybe the first. name was Jeff. and I said he was Australian I said he. was Australian and he was going to sell. us secrets. well that came out immediately so Scott.

came back and he. said that was right he they said that. there was what happened was the United. States had a unit in Australia that. worked with the Australians and they. were imagery analysts and I guess one of. the imagery analysts tried to sell he um. when you try to sell. secrets you never use your real name so. they knew his real name wasn't Jeff.

Baker but they didn't know who he was so. now we know that they knew what whatever. I said was right but now they came back. to me and they said who is Jeff who is. Jeff Baker so I described him as an. Australian I said what he looked like I. said his age ranged I said he was on. drugs and um I don't know what else I. said but so now they kind of had a. profile of this person and um so now.

they were trying to look for him now. Scott worked for the FBI because if. there's any spies the FBI always arrests. them because that's the arresting agency. but Scott did not tell the FBI he was. working with the psychic because he said. if it ever went to court it would may. have been thrown out out because they. received information from a. psychic so we were kind of going along. with the case and Scott didn't think I. was doing too good but in retrospect I.

don't think they were asking the. questions right and he even admitted. that but we there seemed to be it seemed. to be I did really good at the beginning. and then things were kind of going. weren't going real good and then I don't. know what I said I said there was going. to be a meeting that was going to take. place I felt that the guy would be. apprehended and and there was supposed. to be a meeting on a certain. day well now when this kid when this.

person went to the Singapore Embassy to. um sell the secrets the Singapore. Embassy contacted the United States and. said we there's a guy here trying to. sell your secrets so something was set. up like like a what do you call one of. those plans where you try to lure the. guy in um sting a sting so at that point. they decided to do a sting operation and. at that time I was kind of losing I.

really wasn't doing really good at the. case but I don't know what happened I. was able to provide some information and. I can't even remember what it is Scott. wrote a Kindle book called. unconventional method but at that point. I I didn't feel I felt like this is this. is isn't I knew it wasn't going real. well but Scott came in the FBI agent. asked Scott to come in on a. Sunday um to work they really wanted to.

work the case and Scott started to read. some message traffic and I and he said. he doesn't whatever I said whatever. scenarios I was ex describing this. information was in this message. traffic and and Scott said I think we. this guy his last name was West Pierre. he was austral Scott said I think this. is our guy that this is the guy we want.

he's Australian and the FBI agent said. no the person we're looking for is. Canadian and they went back and forth. and Scott kept saying are you sure he's. not Australian and she said no he's. Canadian so Scott said well let me look. something up because can have dual. citizenship and here the guy had dual. citizenship he was Australian and. Canadian and here that was the guy that. uh that they were able to apprehend.

wow what does it feel like to you when. you oh I was all happy because I hate to. be wrong I mean I'm very happy when I'm. right because you're not right all the. time you know it's not you don't always. get it I mean I've I can remote you and. um and you know it can be very vague it. can be very very vague you know you know. it can be very vague um and a lot of.

times you're not right or a lot of times. you may feel that you're right but. people aren't there to check out the. information so if you have you know if. I'm giving information and it's right. and somebody checks it out and it's. right and it go it hits oh I'm very. happy. [Music]. what what is your what. is what is your your favorite operation. that you've been a part of when it comes. I think the one with the finding the guy.

in the finding Jord um Charles Jordan. the The Fugitive um he was the the the. Customs agent the Nar the drug guy that. went bad I think that probably was the. biggest because nobody ever thought he. would be in. Wyoming that I did like doing the. hostages because I felt like I was. really I felt like my information was. acted upon to help them so that made me. feel good um anything with.

kids yes but I yes can you go into that. um. well yeah I yeah I trying to locate some. kids that may have been human. trafficking. yeah that was hard that that was hard I. was able to give some locations but I. don't know if they but I never had any. feedback on that so I figured it. probably didn't go anywhere but it could. have been more of a secret more of a.

secret type operation. too so now you're teaching at the Monroe. Institute well I only teach the remote. view part too it's you know like I only. teach um twice twice a year but it's. always nice to connect with Joe do you. enjoy it oh yeah oh yeah just oh you. know Joe we just oh yeah have you ever. worked with Joe oh yeah he's wonderful. oh have you in the old days no he he.

retired in 1984 and I came in the unit. in 1986 okay okay but I bet him through. Ed May and then I and but yeah he's. wonderful yeah I I got nothing but good. things to say about him and his wife but. um so what is tell me a little bit about. the Monroe ins. well it's uh Bob Monroe was a man I. guess he lived in New York City he was a. radio personality I think I think I. don't know if he owned a radio station.

but he used to have a of bodies and I. guess he went to a psychologist because. he thought he was crazy and the guy said. no you're not crazy you're having out. of- body experiences so he built the. Monroe Institute and people can go down. there and when you listen to certain. frequencies it's it's it's it's like T. it's just teaching people how to be. psychic how to go out of body it's it's. a like a. metaphysical um. Institute so can you walk us through.

what you teach oh I just teach the. second part of remote I just teach the. uh remote viewing to the last segment. and it's not it's just nothing my I mean. it's nothing much you just put the um. you talk to the students you see what. they learned you know what to you learn. uh look at their. results. um you have to teach them how to report. back I think a lot of times when you.

teach people to remote view I think. people can get the picture in the Target. but it's hard to come out and describe. what you see so teaching people how to. remote how to come back and remote. report back um and just getting to know. the students finding out you know where. at what level are they a lot of times I. recommend books um to read if you know. um if they're interested in meditation. channeling I tell them what books I.

would recommend I listen to people. sometimes something will work for one. person but not the other so do you sit. in with the do you sit in their sessions. with them no I usually some I just do it. by Zoom mostly oh okay it's by Zoom so. what so it's so it's individual. sometimes it is no it's with the group. but sometimes it individuals get special. attention Okay okay so what I mean what.

is the curriculum of the of part. two Joe teaches them to how to remote. View and then I get them at the end to. see how well they remote. viewed and then they do have questions. on other things and then we kind of take. it out of remote viewing they have a lot. of questions on other. things what other things um like. channeling um what is channeling the. automatic writing okay other they just.

want other um me meditation like. um. meditation how they remote view you know. how you know how are they remote viewing. are they you know I don't want them to. do the steps like the CRV I um. and have to report back mostly by the. time I have them they know how to remote. you do they do the Hemy. seink h no the Hem I don't think they do.

the hemisync in remote viewing they do. it in something else if you want hyn you. have to go to the Monroe Institute and. sign up for that that's not remote. viewing what is hyn then they put um you. put you listen to to sounds you listen. to music and it works the brain a. certain way so that you can go out of. body so is. it C can you describe that a little bit.

more in detail why that works because. it's the mechanisms in the brain it's a. Mech it's the mechanism the brain has to. work a certain way for you to go out of. body and that's what the the music or. the sounds of the hemisync do they put. your body in the frequency so that you. can you have to have a certain frequency. so you can go out of body okay and. that's what Monroe. did that's what that's what the Monroe.

Institute was all. about teaching people how to go out of. body and what and where does the brain. how what frequency does the brain need. to be so you can go out of body can I. ask a question why does it what is the. point of going out of body why would you. trigger. that um probably. to I think that it it expands one's.

Consciousness uh I think one can learn. that there's more to life than just. going out of body I think that if you. it's better than remote viewing because. if you have a um if you have a pro if. you want a problem if you're looking for. for somebody and you can leave your body. and go find them you're going to have. all your senses and all of your thinking. it's it's not going to be fuzzy you're. going to be so aware of where you are.

where the person is you can come back. and report that it's not going to be so. fuzzy as remote viewing where you're. only using like the right part of the. brain do you still do you still go out. of body sometimes but not like I you not. like I used to why not is that a. personal decision no no I have no. control over it I never. did I never.

did do you like going out of body oh. yeah if you were out of body right now. what would you would you be searching. for an answer to something I'd probably. be looking at everything around. [Music]. here where's the farthest you've. traveled to I think the Sun what was. that like hot uh bright very bright I. would imagine very bright I was very. happy I. remembered can you feel can you feel.

heat can you feel cold can you can you. feel a door knob yeah you yeah I could I. could feel myself walking through yeah. you can. yeah I think it's a mechanism inside the. brain just something clicks it's like. people that. levitate some something in there is. working it clicks there's something it's. a mechanism inside the brain and that's.

what we it's it's just a Mech it's just. something in the brain just clicks is it. like our brain is holding in our. Consciousness and when that when that. something in the brain is unlocked it. releases our. Consciousness it releases it releases us. into a new to another set of conscious I. guess yeah I guess but it's still you. though you realize that's you on the. floor when you're out of body yeah and. you're still making your own decisions.

on where you want to go. yeah where are some other places you've. traveled out of. body um I think I went from um I think I. went like from Maryland to Pennsylvania. to visit my family um time I think I. went to Chicago I don't know why I went. to Chicago I just want I don't know I. don't. know but mostly it's mostly it's.

just it's it's mostly just nature Stars. trees very interesting what am I not. asking that I should be asking you no I. think I I just think that um I think. that you're probably very be aware and. intuitive yourself why do you think that. because you told me some of the. experiences that you had there's a book. called human design have you read that. book no ma'am I'm not it put it puts.

people into certain category like you're. either uh like a manifestor a generator. a Creator and it puts people into four. personality. types um it's a very interesting book. what's that book called It's called. human design human design I'm going to. look that up and try to get the author. on here if he's still alive no it's a. good book A lot of people in fact I um. yeah just just it's it's the different.

personalities just put it puts people in. four different. personalities you could be a manifestor. cuz I I'm a generator so it'd be harder. it' be hard for me to M be a manifestor. what is a generator uh you you have to. let things come to you react to things. that a manifestor will go out and get. things the generator it information has. to come to you and then you act you. react to the information and that's how.

you get that's how generators get some. they react to information okay okay. that's that's how they yeah different do. you put any significance on certain. numbers so I'll give you an example I. had a a spiritual experience in. Sedona and which I believe God was. speaking to me.

and shortly thereafter I started to see. the number 444 everywhere I went I still. see it all the time okay you look up the. meaning of 444 it means your guardian. angels are with you and want you to know. that they're with you with okay then. you're highly protected 44 four also. eats up ends up for 12 so that 12 could. mean a three and that's also a spirit. it's also protection really three is.

also yeah three is like big yeah. protection but um when people start. seeing numbers and when people start. finding. coins it's um I when I went to see John. Edward in Baltimore. you know he said number when people. start seeing num pay attention to. numbers it's those are you're getting. messages and all of and then all of a. sudden somebody may pass and you start.

finding coins that person is with you. coins what do you mean what do what do. you mean sometimes when people die. people like their loved ones will start. just finding coins everywhere like. pennies. and they just did you ever find coins. no not that I'm aware of yeah I had a. girlfriend who um she every time. somebody died in her family she would. find coins and her mother died and she.

found coins so she knew that her mother. was with. her I had a friend whose um mother died. and the mother told her she would give. her a sign that she's okay so it was. winter time and um this bird kept. showing up on my girlfriend's. balcony and my girlfriend would say why. is that wonder why that Bird's here it's. so cold cuz you know birds birds fly. south for the winter and she said that.

bird showed up every day and my girl was. like what's that stupid bird here and. here she finally was like her mother and. then she feel oh okay you're okay and. then she never saw the bird again wow do. you believe in mediumship yeah of course. yeah can you do mediumship sometimes. mhm so where are. those.

Souls I I guess I guess I guess we call. it heaven right it's like they're on the. other side of the veil I guess we that's. what we call our heaven so they haven't. been reincarnated. yet can you ACC do you believe you can. access once somebody's already been. reincarnated yeah but probably but. mostly but yeah but you just don't come. back that easy I mean there's a whole. process to it what do you mean by that.

you go over and you just don't come back. you got you got to go over there and. you've got. to you have to take I don't know you. you're with other people you have to. take stock of what you do you have to. decide do you want to come back and what. it's just you just don't go and then. come back and let's get rein. there's a process to it I think. interesting what I mean can you get a. little more descriptive on the process. well I think when you go over they say. that um you you know your your loved.

ones are there and that when you pass. over that your loved ones will meet you. and then they and then they qu sort of. take you into these into where I guess. the where the god source is and it's. really nice and more or less you can do. what you want if you want to study they. have like the if you want to study you. can study if you want to fish you can. fish you can do whatever you want. however you do take.

stock you what did you learn in this. life how can you be better and if you. come back you're with the same. people and the role you just get. better do you think it's a completely. different. experience when you come back or are you. reliving kind of the same well yeah it's. the same energy but yeah you you will. you will have you will still have some. of the same energy from your previous. lives that's what you have to work out.

do you believe there are new souls and. old souls mhm how are new Souls uh. they're young and. immature how how do they come. about um they what do you mean how do. they come about I mean if there's old. souls and new Souls what what creates a. New Soul. um probably someone that hasn't had many. Earth.

experiences do you think you can tell. the difference between an old soul and a. New. Soul oh yeah you can tell by a person's. face what do you think I am probably an. old soul because you're you're you're. searching you're searching. searching let's talk about. astrology.

okay but when's your. birthday October 4th. 1982 okay so you're a Libra. yes okay so what do you want to know. about. astrology how does it work oh I don't. know I don't know that much about. astrology although I do know. astrologers um and you know they and. it's it's more than your birth sign but. there's a lot that um they look.

at okay the time you were born and where. you were born and they look at other. thing they look I guess they look at the. 12 planets and where they were at the. time of your birth and then from that. they get a fuller picture of who you are. then once they that's. personality and then they can take that. and do projections into the future as to. what could happen to. you so you may be a Libra but your. rising sign would be.

another your rising sign gives you more. of your personality in your moon. placement gives you your emotions so. even though you're a Libra you've got to. look at the other things to figure out. to give you the full picture of Who You. Are how does that determine. things I think it's just great to know. your personality and know who you are a. lot of times people will go to. astrologers to look at you know where.

were the planets when I was born and. what does it all mean and it gives I. think it can help give people a better. sense about themselves who they are why. they're here uh what they would be good. at what they wouldn't be good at and. then you have transits like if some. somebody's looking for a new job there. may be a Transit coming up that's saying. well this would be a good time to look. for a new job or um or this would be a. good time to buy a new house and they.

look at and then they can take that and. project it into the. future man I don't know what questions. to ask cuz I wasn't anticipating going. here. but I mean what what is it about. the dates the moon all of this stuff. that kind of predetermines it sounds. like it predetermines your personality. in your strengths it can but I mean.

weren't the wise men weren't they. supposed to be. astrologers they were the why and I. Think Jesus was in a scene he was in a. scene um and that those people they were. vegetarians and they were astrologers. and the other tribes didn't like them. because in the asene tribe women had a. lot of power and it made the other. tribes upset and that's why they made.

they didn't like Mary Magdalene or it. was it was the tribe that Jesus belonged. to he was in a. scene when you look at somebody do you. feel that you can tell if they're a good. person or not right off the bat oh sure. what else you can do it too. I feel like I can but I also have been. wrong several times yeah and there's. some people that are out of the B oh. yeah and there's some people that will. surprise you and like my cousin would.

say well we just didn't see that one. coming you know if you're wrong all you. say is well I didn't see that one coming. but yeah most of the time but yeah I. mean of course there's always going to. be somebody that's going to take you by. surprise well Angela I know uh you have. a flight to catch and um but thank you. very much I just want to say he thank. you for coming and oh it's been my. pleasure yeah I have really enjoyed this. conversation and I hope we stay in touch. oh we will I'm going to get you some. books I got to get.

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