Andrew Bustamante - CIA Spy / World War 3, Money Laundering, and The Next Superpower | SRS #52 P1

there is a growing amount of concern in. this country regarding the Russia. Ukraine conflict and why the United. States is so heavily involved and. invested in that war there is also a. great amount of concern not just in this. country but across the globe on China. and how they are essentially taking over. the entire world they just negotiated a. deal between Saudi Arabia and Iran which. is going to affect the United States. which in turn is going to affect the.

entire world they are also trying to. negotiate a peace treaty between Russia. and Ukraine while the United States is. fueling that war so there's a lot of. concern I brought in a expert on China. and the Russia Ukraine war a former CIA. operative. he goes by Andrew Bustamante also known. as the everyday spy. ladies and gentlemen this is a two-part.

series first portion all Russia Ukraine. what that looks like if different. scenarios play out part two is all about. the China conflict and what that looks. like if different scenarios play out. this is a very unique and factual. episode that I think May shift some. perspectives I learned a lot from this. episode I think it's very important that. everybody watches please like comment. and subscribe on the video head over to.

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[Music]. Andrew Bustamante welcome to the Sean. Ryan Show I'm happy to be here man. thanks for having me it's an honor to. have you sitting here I've been watching. her stuff for quite a while now and. we've well you and my wife have.

conferred back and forth for what a. couple months and it's just it's awesome. to finally have it here in the studio. I'm glad we could finally work this out. yeah I mean it was it my schedule has. been a disaster for probably the last. six or eight months it's a it's a good. kind of disaster but uh but man when I. first got the invite to come out to your. show I couldn't say yes fast enough I. was like oh hell yes I'll come work with. Sean I absolutely want to support what. you're doing and then Katie was you know. excellent and my schedule just got. wrapped and then I'm here I am asking to.

can we change it to April can we change. it to March can we change it to February. so I'm super glad that we landed on a. date oh it's we we definitely understand. being busy so but a little bit about you. former Air Force veteran. in the nuclear program right right I was. a nuclear missile officer with the U.S. Air Force what's known as a 13 Sierra. incredible uh then you've jumped over to. CIA you're a spy over there slash. operative you met your wife. over at the agency which we'll talk.

about here in a little bit you started. everyday spy with your wife. we'll get into that a little bit it. sounds like you're doing some awesome. training and you know what I really like. about what I've seen with your. interviews so far is you have a very. CIA unbiased approach which goes right. along the mission statement over at CIA. which I can't remember verbatim but it's. basically we bring truth unbiased truth. there's no.

that's what we go by just always the. truth. so I I appreciate that it's hard to find. people that can look at both sides of. the spectrum nowadays and and uh to hear. your interviews in in. how you are unbiased is it's very. refreshing I appreciate it man kudos to. you and. um everybody starts with a gift here on.

the Sean Ryan Show. thank you any guesses. I already got the Hat I feel like this. is a second round of gifts now man come. on we just shower the guests with gifts. here. oh nice. I'll take this so those are vigilance. lead gummy bears legal in all 50 states. made right here in the USA those are. hard to come by it's hard to come back. you're welcome so what you're saying is.

I can I can keep one for myself and then. send the other one to auction that's. right we'll give you some extras for the. kids too. but um diving right in actually let's. talk about so what I want to talk to you. about is a little bit about your CIA. career not much. um I know a lot of that's still. classified and that'll just get. confusing trying to navigate that. so but I do want to you know give you. the credibility that you deserve them. why you can talk over these topics I.

know you've worked all over the world. very extensively in Asia which I really. want to hit the China topic I think will. end with that but I'd like to talk to. you about what's going on in Ukraine you. have a very unique perspective. um that I have not heard before on. what's going on over there and why we're. involved. um so I'd like to kind of kick it off. there at some point I'd like to hit. propaganda and how that's affecting. people with the fake news and.

everything's spinning out of control. which will lead us right into China. and there is no shortage of stuff to. talk about with China and everything. that they're involved in and and how. scary uh they're becoming so and if we. have time uh I'd like to hit some UFO. UAP maybe free energy stuff if you're if. you're into that which we spoke last. night so yeah you know it's it's wild.

man because as you rattle off the list. of things to cover it really does speak. to. how Dynamic our world is right now I. mean we live in such an interesting time. and I get it I get that there's people. out there who want things to be simple. and there's always going to be people. who who reminisce about the old days. like you still hear people now talk. about returning the world to a. pre-russian Invasion world have you I. don't know if you've heard that yet but. there are people out there who talk.

about you know if we just do this or we. just do that everything will revert back. to February 24th 2022 before Russia. invaded Ukraine. if there's anything that we should be. accepting and leaning into right now. it's that the world is evolving at an. incredible Pace you and I are of the. same generation right we served at CIA. at the same time right we've we remember. the CD. we remember the tape deck we remember. the VCR I remember when dbr first came.

out when you could when there was no. recording a television show and now. you're streaming television shows live. on multiple different platforms. we should be embracing the fact that the. world is changing at a massive space at. a massive pace. but also we have to accept that if. you're going to embrace change not all. changes change that you like. so that's why I feel like it's important. to talk about change to embrace change. and to be open about the fact that.

there's some change that we like there's. some change that we don't like. but we should really understand the pros. and cons of both right that's something. that's really important to me and it's. something that that I I wish more people. would embrace. because it's CIA change was one of those. things that they drilled into us all the. time you have to expect. anticipate and be prepared. for the unexpected you have to be ready. for change yeah adapt and overcome right.

yeah absolutely what when you're talking. about this change what specifically is. in your head right now. so I would say at the biggest level. we have to be asking ourselves the. question what would a world look like. where the United States is not the. largest superpower we have to be asking. ourselves if you're not asking yourself. that question you're just staring at a. wall you're you're blinding yourself we. have to be asking ourselves a question. what do what do we do as a country and.

what do you do as an individual. if America is not at the top of the. mountain anymore. economists are predicting that by 2033. China will be the largest superpower in. the world the largest military and the. largest economy do you agree with that. if you're looking at empirical evidence. absolutely if nothing changes if nothing. changes between now and 2033 they might. even get there faster. so we have to accept the fact that the. world is changing.

now there's still a long time that's 10. years that's a decade between now and. 2033 can we affect changes now that. prevent that from happening I think we. can they'd have to be pretty radical. changes but I think we can do it. but if we just turn a blind eye and we. say it's never going to happen if we. just ignore it if we put our faith in. politicians to do it for us. I'm not so sure it's going to happen in. that case right so but that's that's the. biggest question I ask myself every day. is what what does my life look like as a.

50 year old man. if America is not the largest superpower. what does my children's college. experience look like. if the United States is not the number. one superpower in the world if my. children go into military service what. does that look like if we're the second. largest military. those are questions no generation my. parents didn't have to ask themselves. that question it wasn't until I get back. to my grandparents. and that was a generation yours and mine.

our grandparents were the ones that. actually saw the rise of the United. States. you know there was a whole generation. between them and us that never even had. doubts never had to wonder if the US. would be the biggest yeah right and now. you and I have to be ready to let our. children graduate into a world where. potentially they'll be number two do you. think there's a possibility that they. are already more advanced no. I think there's always a probability so. CIA teaches us to look at look at all.

outcomes as probabilities. right probabilities and possibilities. so probability is valuable because it's. it's numerical it's calculatable it's. empirical. so there might be a two percent. probability of something happening which. makes it very unlikely but it's still a. possibility versus a 98 probability a 98. probability makes something very. possible very likely. but still possibly not true right so.

you've got this large spectrum that you. have to consider when you look at. probabilities so is the United States or. is China more advanced in the United. States right now possibly but not likely. why do you say that why do you say not. likely because you have to understand. that that China. starting in like two thousand. one. 2002 early 2000s. they took a very different direction in. the United States right when 9 11.

happened all of our resources went into. terrorism. combating terrorism Chinese didn't. participate in that war. right so what they did is they used that. time frame to start advancing to start. building the infrastructure that we had. spent the previous 20 to 30 years. building. China doesn't have uh wired telephone. lines like we have in the United States. any American knows what it's like to. drive down any Road in the United States. and see telephone lines we remember you. and I remember what it was like when you.

could only talk on telephone lines. the United States invented cellular. signals we invented cell phones we. invented cell towers. when the Chinese actually grew up to the. place where they could become a first. world country they basically skipped. past telephone lines and and graduated. directly into cellular era so when our. cell network goes down we'll fall right. back to telephone lines when their cell. network goes down. there is no backup okay right people are.

running next going next door neighbor to. next door neighbor it's Old School. telephone tell the tell the person in. front of you to tell the person in front. of them how things work gotcha right so. they have grown up on our advancement. that's where we are now that's why you. still see issues with intellectual. property and and you still see issues. with corporate Espionage and economic. Espionage they grow by stealing reverse. engineering and then programming from. there maybe they'll make an incremental.

Improvement on what they steal but for. the most part they're just learning how. what they steal even works and it's not. just us they do it too they steal from. Europe they steal from Russia they'll. steal from everybody to get the whatever. is the most advanced thing on the market. whereas here in the United States we. tend to develop uh innovate create our. own. our own economic Advantage right all the. semiconductors and super chips that. we're all worried about because they're.

built in Taiwan they're all designed. here. they're just built there because we. don't have a manufacturing base anymore. so that's why I'm not worried that China. is already more sophisticated they beat. us to the punch in some things they've. got Hypersonic missiles. we're just developing them right they've. got different technology on aircraft. that they've been able to steal from. Europe in the Middle East that we're. still developing right but then you look. at other things their aircraft carriers. don't compare to our aircraft carriers. they're they're operational.

organizational execution of military. conflict their approach to to covert. influence or what we would call. propaganda is very very much behind. really you think they're behind they're. behind in how they execute it because. they they have a state-run system. so they can they can basically blast. fake news and withhold real news that's. essentially that's rudimentary versus. what we have in the United States where.

free news truthful news is out there and. fake news is out there that's a whole. different more sophisticated level of. misinformation okay right I don't want. to go too much into this because we're. going to do that on the back end of the. interview but I really am dying to pick. your brain about Tick Tock and all the. tech companies who are developing. everything over there and I'm sure. you're aware under Chinese law they're. forced to. share the technology with the Chinese. government but.

breezing through that real quick just. because I do want to cover that uh. extensively in the back end of the. interview if China does. take over over the if they become the. world superpower by 2033 what you would. mention what does your life look like. what are you are you preparing for that. what. in your mind what happens so I am. preparing for that my wife is some. former CIA we both have plans in place. for what we would do in that situation.

and uh and. there's there's something important that. I want to make sure that that you. especially and anybody listening. understands if the United States is no. longer the world's largest superpower. then. two things happen almost immediately. first being an American no longer has an. advantage everything we talked about. about having a hundred dollars in your. pocket as an EDC or having a having a an. international credit card which is most. of the banking institutions are American.

banking institutions. all of that takes second place because. now everybody's going to want an HSBC. credit card now everybody's going to. want to have a passport from China right. if if China becomes the world's Global. superpower everybody wants to go with. China you and I have actually traveled. the world and we know what you being a. Caucasian male. you know exactly what it's like to step. into a place and have everybody want. your attention because once they hear. your American accent they think to. themselves money power connections.

I mean you it's amazing how much. influence outside of the United States. being an American gets you. I'm I'm an Ambiguously Brown guy with. big hair. soon as I pull out that blue passport. that says United States on it. I mean parts of the world open up to us. that we've taken for granted because. we've never remembered we've never. experienced a life where that little. blue passport doesn't get you special. perks and attention right everybody. wants to be friends with an American.

because they think America is the land. of. opportunity it's the land of Freedom. most countries in the world do not know. freedom and do not know opportunity. so when they meet us we're their ticket. that's how everybody in the world that's. how the vast majority of the world sees. Americans their ticket to opportunity. their potential ticket to freedom. if we're no longer the top of the food. chain. then we lose that appeal because now all.

of a sudden you need to have a Chinese. passport to have the ticket you need to. have a Chinese Identity or a Chinese. genetic background for people to take. and pay attention to you right that's. going to be hard that's going to be a. big drastic difference for the. generation that is our children because. like they're they're gonna know what. it's like to have been 13 14 15 years. old and American but then be 23 24 25. young professionals starting their. careers and be second-class citizens.

essentially yeah right so our plan is. that if that's the direction that it. goes we're leaving the United States. there is no advantage to being an. American inside the United States if you. can basically rebuild your identity. somewhere else interesting so we would. actually immigrate most likely to Europe. because Europe will still be pro-us. right if anything Europe and the United. States are going to be fighting a. Chinese hegemony for probably the next. 30 Years. so go to Europe and essentially.

establish ourselves as dual docked. citizens spend five years in Portugal. five years in Spain uh potentially get. into Italy spend three to five years. building residency somewhere working. towards an EU citizenship because then. you'd become dual docked EU and U.S. whenever you're on the losing side of a. battle which nobody likes to talk about. but whenever you're on the losing side. of a battle sometimes the next best. thing to do is to blend in and look like. a non-threat.

if you have a Spanish a Spanish passport. or a Portuguese passport do you feel. intimidated by Spain or Portugal. so neither will the Chinese. but people if you're in second place. people feel intimidated by you so if I. had to pick how I was going to travel. the world when my children are 25 and. I'm in my 60s I'd rather travel the. world under an EU passport as a dual doc. citizen than travel under a U.S passport. and potentially draw the attention in. the ire of the world superpower. interesting I love that uh train of.

thought I am surprised to hear you say. Europe considering it's you know. everything that's going on over there. right now. I've thought about this too my place I. believe would be Paraguay yes so Latin. America in the Bahamas too well the. Bahamas are part of Latin America you're. you're thinking on the exact same lines. the the main difference the main reason. I wouldn't go south. is because first world. electricity first world internet first. world medicine.

even if it's on the decline it'll take. probably two generations before it fully. declines in a first world country so if. you're in if you're in uh Italy Spain. Germany Poland the UK it's going to take. 30 to 50 years before that. infrastructure actually falls into such. disarray because of a lack of economic. stimulation we're talking end times. right if the world actually starts to. decline because the new superpower.

basically imposes their will on the. whole world if that actually were to. happen it would take decades before. those institutions degraded to a place. where we would feel it in our everyday. lives but in a place like Paraguay Costa. Rica Nicaragua uh Chile that same. degradation would probably happen about. 15 to 20 years. so now you or I might be a 75 year old. man. living on a Health Care system in a. country that's falling apart if we're in. Latin America if we're in Europe we're a.

75 or 80 year old man in a country that. still has 25 years more ahead of it of. working Health Care System interesting. the reason I like Paraguay is it's I. mean it's there's nothing there you know. there's nothing there their industry is. farming cattle to be specific there's no. there's no tourism there it's south of. the drug trade so you don't have to. worry about all the cartel violence and. everything it's just it's a lot of petty.

petty crime petty theft burglaries. getting you know. robbed on the street but you're south of. all the cartels you're south of all the. drug trade you're you're kind of you're. just out there nobody knows about it. you're very close to Argentina which I. believe is first world yep and um so. that's kind of my thought process but. interesting you're up well the idea I. mean what we're both getting at is again. embracing this idea of change you have.

to have an Evac plan. like to stay and fight. is a possibility but we won't really. know what the likelihood is of of a good. fight until the time comes. so it's always wise to have that go bag. it's always wise to have that backup. plan right inshallah in my hopes and my. dreams if China takes over is the world. superpower I hope I get a phone call. from either the US military or the CIA. or somebody that says hey we need to fix.

some stuff and we would really. appreciate being able to consult with. you bring you back on to get your. thoughts something I would love to see. us rally. to try to come up with how do we get out. of this mess yeah unfortunately in the. government that I worked for. that's not usually how it works. usually whoever the incompetence is in. charge they just double down on their. own incompetence. and then you've gotta they don't trust. anybody who's former instead they just. try to hire new and then you're like how.

this is not you're leaving behind. everybody who has accolades everybody. who has a history of solid strong. performance you could be tapping into. that library of talent to fix the next. generation of solution or the next. generation of problems yeah right so I. don't think we're going to get that. phone call so. and nobody really knows what the fight. is gonna look like if it happens I I. think the fight is very much happening. right now and I think everything that's.

happening right now if this escalates. it's just going to be Amplified and it's. going to look very similar it's just. yeah just gonna be Amplified I think. that's a fantastic way of explaining it. right the fight is already happening. and whatever happens in the future is. essentially going to be an amplification. of what we're seeing right now I think. that's a fantastic word to use because. what happens is people start becoming. afraid that it's going to look like. something else like they're they're. afraid it's going to look like World War.

II they're afraid it's going to look. like nuclear weapons blowing up in major. cities. that's War and the the idea of conflict. evolves. the reason World War II looked nothing. like World War One and the reason World. War One didn't look anything like. revolutions before that is because. conflict grows just like people grow why. would we expect World War III to look. anything like World War II. it doesn't make any sense and over the. last 30 years in in U.S military history.

and for sure in World military history. we've already seen the next evolution of. conflict and it looks like proxy and. economic Warfare and guess what we're. doing right now proxy war and economic. Warfare just like you said all we'll see. is an amplification of the current. fighting style can you elaborate on. proxy. I think there's a lot of people that. don't understand what that is yeah so. proxy wars are Wars or proxy conflicts.

are conflicts where the two primary. instigators are actually not physically. present at the site of conflict so if. you consider something like Syria Libya. Yemen those were all proxy conflicts the. the houthis were fighting in Yemen. against other yemenis in Syria there was. a rebel group going against the Assad. regime right Libya was split two. factions. but what ended up happening is.

superpowers or economic Powers would. fund one side or the other in the fight. so then the only people dying are. libyans the only people dying are. syrians right the only people dying are. yemeni now you and I both know that's. that's an oversimplification there are. American troops there are foreign troops. there are U.N troops that are present. but they're present in the hundreds. they're not present in the hundreds of. thousands so the majority of death and. Carnage is actually localized to the.

conflict itself. but the economic foundations funding. that conflict are two other powers who. are vying for control. the same thing is happening right now in. Ukraine the only difference is people. think that Russia is the superpower. fighting in Ukraine I would hope that. the fighting in Ukraine has shown us all. that Russia is not a superpower but. Russia is being funded somehow it's. being funded on oil money and oil that's.

being sold to India and China. India and China are two economic Powers. China is the larger of the two and we. all know who's supporting Ukraine right. the United States. through NATO. the United States with a thin veil that. it's NATO I'm not sure how to how to put. it in a more gentle way but it's clearly. a proxy war in Ukraine and who's dying. ukrainians. let's talk about we're going to get into. Ukraine too let's talk about your. experience at CIA just a brief snapshot.

on what you were doing there how you met. your wife yeah maybe anything you can. give us like I said I want to get too. into the weeds because I know most of. it's still classified so yeah absolutely. so I was I was recruited into CIA as I. was leaving the air force now I was a I. was a horrible Soldier and anybody. anybody who knows anybody who knew me at. the Air Force Academy anybody who knew. me in uniform any friend or enemy or Foe.

that I had ever had would agree that. Andy back then I had a different name. was not a good soldier I didn't like to. shave I didn't like to polish my shoes I. didn't like to wear a nice uniform I was. I didn't like the military so it was. really natural for me to want to leave. when my service obligation was up. I was trying to go into the Peace Corps. because I'm a very simple creature and. all I really wanted at the age of 27 was. tense sex with a hippie chick somewhere. in Africa that's all I wanted.

there's a lot of 27 year old guys out. there that would give me a high five. because they kind of want the same thing. right that's so that's what I was aiming. for tent sex with a hippie chick in. Africa saving children. I'd still make I'm 42 years old I would. still say that that sounds like a pretty. awesome ambition so I'm applying to the. Peace Corps and in that application. process I get a tap on the shoulder from. CIA. whose and CIA basically says if you if. you finish this application with the. Peace Corps you'll be disqualified. forever from working in intelligence.

because that's those are two. non-starters once you work at CIA you. can never do humanitarian work with the. Peace Corps once you work for the Peace. Corps you can never do covert work with. the CIA I did not know that why is that. do you know because they want to protect. the humanitarian elements of the United. States and they want to protect them. thoroughly and completely anywhere they. go so there are certain covers that CIA. will never use because they're primarily. dedicated to humanitarian service and.

they don't ever want humanitarians to be. arrested on Espionage charges so you. will never find an undercover Peace. Corps officer you will never find an. undercover religious magistrate like. you'll never find a priest or a rabbi. who's truly an undercover CIA officer. you'll never see an undercover medical. doctor or an undercover nurse because. these are protected categories and CIA. wants the whole world to know that they. are protected so that you know China.

Russia North Korea Syria Iran will never. arrest a doctor and accuse them of being. a spy okay right makes sense so that's. that's why they do it that way so that's. why there's such a hard divide so in my. what I wasn't realizing at the time is. that all the things that made me. interested in the Peace Corps. were also. personal interests that were attractive. to CIA. if you're going to go into the Peace. Corps you're going to be risk tolerant. CIA wants people who are risk tolerant. you want to see the world CIA wants.

people who want to see the world you're. not intimidated by Foreign cultures. you're not intimidated by foreign. language you're not intimidated by you. know long bouts of loneliness CIA wants. all of that too right so it's a it's a. natural recruiting ground for the agency. to basically be looking at people who. are interested in other career fields. that closely parallel what a CI officer. would encounter oh good what is it about. you that you think they found. interesting to be very honest I think.

they knew I was Brown. I think they knew that I was an Air. Force Academy graduate right so from the. time that I turned 17 my entire life has. been in service to the federal. government so there were no surprises. here they knew my drug history they knew. my medical history my dental history. they knew my family upbringing they knew. my my grade point average they knew. everything because I had gone to a. military college and then I was a. military officer so put those things. together plus the fact that I majored in.

Chinese at the Air Force Academy. um I had traveled to China in the Air. Force Academy I had you know they had my. scores they knew that I was a top. performing linguist they knew that I was. a top performing uh uh humanitarian uh. Humanities student like there were. certain elements that they already knew. because it was on paper and it was that. was known to them and you obviously. already had a very high clearance if you. were on the nuclear program correct and. as a nuclear missile officer I knew. where our nukes were appointed I knew.

whose nukes were pointed at us I knew. and I had TS SCI cat 6 and 12 clearance. which is a nine month process to get a. tssci so by hiring me they basically. shortcut nine months of my recruitment. because I already have a clearance yeah. so you got in. what did they have you doing. uh so that's where things start to get. kind of sticky so I got in I became a. member of the National Clandestine. Service the NCS at the times now called. the directorate of operations goes back. and forth I came on board through a.

program at the time that was called the. uh the. it was called CST what is that. Clandestine Service trainee I think is. what it was called it was basically the. old guys who come in to be spies the. young guys who come in to be spies are. in a different program so because it. takes them longer to train but for us we. had life experience so they kind of put. us on a short track. and I went through that training plan uh. got my field training done got all of my.

weapons training done my driving done. you know do all the training stuff. that's pretty cool and fun and then you. start actually doing the work and a lot. of my work was focused in the third. world to start so a lot of stuff in. Africa a lot of stuff in uh in South. America a lot of stuff in Southeast Asia. and that was my primary focus was doing. uh kind of what I call the dirty work. there's a lot of Dirty Work in. intelligence dealing with scumbags. terrorists Narco traffickers drug. dealers whatever else it might be people. who pose threats to your National.

Security but they don't pose long-term. threat to your National Security after a. few years of that. my wife my wife was kind of running a. similar path my I came on as a as a. human intelligence officer a field. collector is what I came in as my wife. came in as a targeter. a targeter is a different skill set but. still in the same NCS the National. Clandestine Service now after we met and. started dating you know because then.

that's that that intramural relationship. isn't as uncommon as some people think. it is but after we married and started. dating there was a uh an issue that. popped up at CIA that's still very. sensitive I'm in the process of trying. to get myself clearance from the agency. to talk about it publicly but there was. an issue at the agency that forced the. agency to move us and not just us but. other people like us out of third world. like you know garbage slinging and into.

something called hard targets hard. targets are those targets that pose a. long-term threat to the United States. North Korea Russia China. Belarus these countries that that are. oppose a long-term strategic threat to. the United States are called hard. targets and they decided to move a. number of of hyper performers out of the. third world and into these Hard Target. jobs. to fix the mistake that they had that. they had found themselves in and that's. how my wife and I ended up getting moved.

out of our roles doing third world work. into roles doing very strategically. relevant work and that's where we ended. our career. what did you like better did you like. the third world operations or first. world you know it's interesting I liked. them both but for different reasons. third world operations you have to lean. on your creativity and your risk taking. like nobody really nobody is is giving. you a lot of oversight they just want. you to get the mission done right this. is the priority we don't care how you do.

it get it done so there's a a big. emphasis on individuality is a big. emphasis on results there's a big. emphasis on on outcomes. first world operations Hard Target. operations are different there's a lot. of oversight there's a lot of weight in. process instead of outcomes. but there's also much deeper Pockets so. you're running way more sophisticated. operations on larger teams you're. working with excellent excellent.

colleagues because only the best get. pulled into these Hard Target operations. so sometimes you might be dealing with. the guy that kind of fell off the back. of the short bus when you're in the. third world okay but you're dealing with. really top tier individuals when you're. in hard targets so I like them both but. differently. interesting I never had the opportunity. to work very much in a in a first world. environment I did I enjoyed third world. because it's so different yeah you get. to see.

how these people live and and and their. way of life and the culture and it's. it's no matter where I was it was always. it was just fascinating to see that you. know but um there's an element of third. world operations that really put you in. touch with humanity and that was. something I valued and I can sense that. you're saying the same thing you're. saying it in a more politically correct. way because in the third world you. really see. the like you see how cruel and how.

devastating and how how painful. human suffering can really be and you. see people persevere through that you. also see lots of people take advantage. of it but you see it and it's a visceral. reminder that we are human beings and at. a certain level we are just animals. but when you deal with really refined. operations when you only deal with first. world problems you you're dealing with. like three layers above that core.

Humanity now it's all about who you know. and it's what you wear and what words. you choose and you know how much money. you're spending. the drug dealer who's out there you know. cutting women open to stuff their. breasts full of cocaine and turn them. into mules that's a despicable human. being. but equally as Despicable is the drug. kingpin who sits in you know at the head. of some Corporation 12 steps removed. from that scumbag who is the source of.

the funding and the source of the. operational organization that makes that. meal happen even though they're in two. separate categories as far as operations. go interesting very interesting well. let's move into we've established your. credibility. let's move in I appreciate it let's move. into what you're doing now with everyday. spy you we were talking about some of. your training courses last night at. dinner and. I've had a lot of people in here that.

that run training most of them are from. the SEAL Teams or from devgrew or Delta. or Green Beret or whatever you have it. um and it's always it's a lot of tactics. every once in a while you'll get. somebody that's um teaching some mindset. but your Niche is very specific and very. unique yeah and I appreciate I. appreciate that feedback so everyday spy. is the business that I created with my. wife after we left the CIA and what we. learned is that the skills and tactics.

that CIA taught us not necessarily the. skills and tactics in terms of shooting. and driving but social skills and uh and. mental tactics. that those have become the foundation of. our success since leaving CIA. influence persuasion uh relationship. building being able to predict human. behavior being able to control human. behavior being able to direct outcomes. like these are all very valuable skills.

in the commercial sector and in civilian. life equally as valuable as they are in. Espionage so what we found is that we. started having success in Corporate. America and then when we became. entrepreneurs we started having success. in our entrepreneurial lives applying. these skills so everyday spy is. essentially our platform to teach the. same skills that we've seen work in. espionage. tailored to Everyday Life. and that's that's what everyday spy is.

and what we've had is we've had success. working with Executives we've had. success working with with corporate. teams we've had success working with. entrepreneurs from the startup phase to. the ultra high net worth phase and all. levels in between because what ends up. happening is at our core what we're all. looking for all the time is an edge an. advantage. and socially we don't like to talk about. that socially we think everything should. be fair and equal rights especially in. the United States if you if if you.

walked up to a stranger and said I. actually want to have an unfair. advantage over you. nobody wants to hear that yeah but. that's what we're all secretly thinking. right what Espionage is all about is. gaining an unfair Advantage all the. skills that CIA taught us the mental. skills the social skills we're all. focused on an unfair Advantage how do. you infiltrate a network gain influence. gain credibility and take control of. that Network in the shortest amount of. time.

you don't do that over a 30-year career. doing what the boss tells you you do. that in like three years by making the. boss believe that your ideas are the. best ideas. so we kind of built a business that. teaches that and then we do it through. digital learning we do it through uh. publishing video publishing podcast. publishing ebook publishing and then of. course we also do it in person training. courses that we carry out for. individuals and carry out for. corporations interesting very. interesting how many courses you're. running a year so we run about six live.

courses a year right now and a big part. of that's because I'm the limiting. factor I teach all the courses myself. I'm working on expanding that and. working on scaling that. um but right now we keep our classes. small to between 12 and 16 people we run. about six courses a year each course. runs between one day and three days. total time we also do some courses where. we'll go and do private events for. corporations so those are kind of. separate from our own homegrown courses. but we might go work three five seven.

days with a client Corporation somewhere. at their behest again the primary. problem is just Manpower so the the good. side to that is that we we've been able. to develop and command a very high price. for our training which makes it very. elite and makes it very personal. so now any company that hires us gets me. and my wife and our content at their. like at their behest so the the quality. is very very rich but the quantity is.

very limited Supply demand curve means. that they end up paying a premium price. which is excellent for the business. model itself as we move forward we're. trying to flip a lot of that into. digital course work so now startup. companies small and medium-sized. companies can essentially get the same. training through a digital on-demand. interface and they don't have to pay. that premium price gotcha gotcha. excellent I'm gonna have to I'm gonna. have to take one of your courses it.

sounds very interesting yeah I mean we. can just go I'll go give you one over. over beers tonight man we'll crash do a. crash course just you and me perfect. that sounds great let's take a quick. break when we come back we'll pick up on. Ukraine. you've probably heard me talk about my. psychedelic Journey last year and all. the benefits that came from doing it one. being that I haven't drank in almost a. year I have not had any caffeine in. almost a year my anxiety is gone my. anger is gone a whole list of benefits.

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that makes this show drive on so thank. you for all the support. see you on patreon. all right Andy we're back from the break. conflict seems to be all around us these. days with Ukraine Russia China Iran. North Korea so specifically I want to. talk to you right now about what's going. on in Ukraine and I think the latest the. latest headlines as of today seem to be.

I think we just gave another what 10. billion to Ukraine. um I've lost count on how much money. we've spent on them so far and then just. a couple weeks ago the. um the pipeline the Nordstrom pipeline. uh that that I've heard. the UK blew it up I've heard we blew it. up I've heard Russia blow it up and so I. pulled some headlines because there was.

a investigative journalist that. basically had said that we are the we. are responsible we blowed up White House. denied it. all the headlines say. we blow it up but then you read it and. it says not the White House is denying. it not that I trust the White House but. what what are your what are you what is. your take on that what do you think yeah. there's there's so much going on so so. when when we talk about the first thing. I want to do is make sure that when we. when you and I. talk about Ukraine and Russia.

we have to understand that we're. actually talking about a much larger. issue what we're really talking about is. Europe. that's what that's that's how the the. United States and Russia and China and. NATO that's how they actually see the. conflict. it's important to understand that the. way that national leaders see a conflict. is much more comprehensive than the way. media portrays the conflict. media portrays it as Ukraine and Russia.

because it's simple that way the average. American and they're at a fifth grade. reading level who maybe didn't finish. High School right they can get behind. this idea of a war between Russia and. Ukraine. but it takes a college education or even. an advanced education to understand that. the implications at a continental level. at a European versus American versus. Russian and Chinese level the whole idea. of geopolitics is an advanced concept.

right newspapers and media want to treat. us all like we're idiots so they have to. talk to us like we're idiots but the. reason so many of us get frustrated is. because we know we're not stupid so. don't talk to us like we're stupid. so Ukraine and Russia the money that's. going into Ukraine the conflict and the. pressure that the world's putting on. Russia it's not really about those two. countries right if you look at Ukraine. on its own. Ukraine is a bit player in geopolitics.

for the first world. do they Supply food yes to third world. countries. right do they create oil no they're a. transfer point for Russian oil. right even their gold and coal mining. operations that are there are really. like secondary to the energy reserves. that exist in other countries. so whether Ukraine belongs to Russia. whether Ukraine belongs to Nato is. irrelevant they're a small player. they're not a first world country they.

don't deserve first world recognition or. first world appreciation they were never. a democracy. they were a transitioning government. that had ups and downs in favor of of uh. of potential future Democratic beliefs. in 2022. there was actually a mainstream. government study done on Ukraine you can. Google it right now right and that gave. them a score of 40 percent out of 100 in. terms of their Democratic scale.

so why is it that the media Outlets talk. to us like the United States is. defending democracy by protecting. Ukraine that's a great question they. were never a democracy they were a. transitioning country that had some. elements of democracy. if you look at media outside of the. United States if you look at media. especially in Europe Europe does not. paint the conflict the same way we. painted here in the United States. in Europe they're very transparent about. the fact that Ukraine is corrupt heavily.

corrupt you've had outstanding guests on. this show. who have very openly and and. transparently explained the struggles. that happen in that conflict Zone. because of the current corruption. materials disappear money disappears. weapons disappear they get resold on the. black market it's a mess right. so you're we're gonna if you only look. at it in terms of Ukraine and Russia we. end up missing the bigger picture. because the real conflict here is a.

conflict between which direction the. United States wants to drive the world. as a potential superpower. right if we go down the the Biden. Administration and the media all try to. tell us that we have to protect Ukraine. that the United States is protection of. Ukraine serves this larger purpose in in. protecting democracy and secures the. long-term future of of pro-democratic.

countries. that's all a party line that's that's. baloney. what the real reason the United States. is involved in Ukraine is because as. long as we keep a proxy war happening in. a third world country like Ukraine as. long as we have that proxy war coming. we're wasting Russian resources. and as we waste and deplete Russian. resources we only have to compete. against one other country in the world. China. if the war in Ukraine ends Russia starts.

to rebuild in concert with China and now. we have two enemies. without either of them depleting. themselves right so that's one big. reason why the United States likes war. in Ukraine another reason why the United. States likes war in Ukraine is because. as long as we are creating weapons and. sending weapons to Ukraine we're. practicing for a future global conflict. that we might have to carry out against. China. it's no small feat to send tanks seven.

thousand miles across an ocean it's no. small feat to create ammunition loaded. into c-17s and then fly them as a you. know a fleet by Fleet into Poland and. then carry out the logistical challenges. of delivering that material to the front. lines we're practicing War I mean. without fighting it I feel like we would. have that down pretty good now after 20. years of war all over the Middle East. the pr the difference is we had our own.

bases in the Middle East if we go to war. who's our who's the most likely person. we're going to go to war with. China China is 15. 000 miles away. fifteen thousand miles away Afghanistan. is half that distance and we have bases. in Afghanistan we don't have any bases. in China the nearest that we would be. able to get is actually the Philippines. where we would have to have a have a.

presidential allowance by the Filipino. president to use their bases right and. we're and that's happening right now. so we would have to borrow and. coordinate diplomatically with a host. nation to be able to deliver our weapons. to that country which is exactly what. we're doing in Poland right now right. they're not our bases we're working with. the polls. so it's a it's a different kind of Beast. seven thousand miles is very different. from fifteen thousand miles you're. talking about multiple aerial refuelings. you're talking about months on if you're.

delivering something by sea you're. talking about multiple stops if you're. delivering something by air right it. would just be a quick stop in Ramstein. Germany we we would like to think of it. so a quick stop in Ramstein Germany for. 25 aircraft to then deliver weapons into. a hostile Zone. and in into a non-american controlled. base. okay it's very different than what we. had in the Middle East all right right. and who were we combating in the Middle. East.

terrorists not organized organized. nation states and National armies okay. now all of a sudden you know you send a. C-17 into Afghanistan and you have to. worry about uh Small Arms fire and you. have to worry about whether or not they. got their hands on some kind of shoulder. carried shoulder-mounted anti-aircraft. delivering something to Taiwan or the. Philippines you've got to get near China. you've got to go near China's allies and. and you have ships at Sea that have. anti-aircraft weapons you have.

laser-guided Munitions you have. Hypersonic missiles it's a very. different risk element. that's. that's a damn good point yeah so then. and then the the last kind of big reason. is we can't consider what's happening in. Europe separate from what's happening in. the United States so when there's war in. general dating back to World War II. we've always known war is really good. for the economy. the Biden Administration. whether we whether you're pro-biden or.

anti-biden the empirical evidence shows. that our covid response under President. Biden destroyed the U.S economy. and most of the first world followed. America's lead with our coveted response. and destroyed their economies too which. is why you see massive economic collapse. all across Europe all throughout Asia. and all the countries that followed our. lead right we essentially we overreacted. to something we didn't understand. and now as a result inflation is rampant. recession is pending.

so our government it's really important. to our Administration that we never have. we never formally announce a recession. we're in a recession you feel it I feel. it everybody watching us feels it we. know it our dollar doesn't go as far. it's hard to get people to go to work. like life is hard we are in an economic. recession it's not like it was in 2010. but according to economics as as. outlined by National Institutes we are.

not yet in a recession because their. definition of recession requires two. consecutive quarters of negative GDP. growth. we're not going to have negative GDP. growth why. because we're funding a war in Ukraine. right if you look at the top five. military contractors out there right now. if you pull it up on your computer. anytime look at Lockheed Martin look at. Raytheon look at Boeing there's a little. comp there's a big company that very few. people know about called lados I'm sure.

you've known ledos. just look at their stock dating back to. June of last year June of last year when. the stock market started to tank. these companies tanked along with it and. then February came along February The. Invasion started the United States. started offering military aid to Ukraine. and the stock price of those companies. started going up because government. spending started going into this Ukraine. effort. that means the the federal government.

started boosting military efforts they. started boosting humanitarian efforts. medical efforts all of that government. spending in an existing industry the. military-industrial industry actually. inflated the GDP numbers for those. productive. segments of the Society of the sector. those industrial segments right so now. the United States is still suffering. from a massive drop in GDP I think our. GDP last quarter was 2.8 percent right. down from like five percent.

but it's being boosted because we're. funding this war in Ukraine if we gave. up on the war in Ukraine that. productivity of those sectors would go. down and we would actually have to. announce a recession okay so the Biden. Administration is artificially. protecting us from recession by. selectively funding certain segments of. of our industrial base that are tied to. this conflict in Europe I mean when it. comes to this. when it comes to the not announcing a. recession.

does this actually benefit anybody but. Raytheon Boeing you know the the the. military. companies so. or are we just is this just a mask do. you know what I mean I do yeah so it's. just like hey just do this then we won't. have to call it a recession because you. just said I feel it you feel it. everybody feels it you know so yeah. maybe we're funding these you know these. five companies but what about what what.

about everybody else it's not just those. companies that are reaping the benefits. right remember the military-industrial. base is certainly benefiting from a war. in Europe but so is the medical base. right band-aid and Gauze manufacturers. alcohol manufacturers tape manufacturers. all the body armor that goes into it. right think about all the steel all the. powder all the car the charcoal that. goes into creating the ammunitions and. the Munitions and the weapons like.

there's there's lots of secondary and. tertiary sectors that benefit from the. same conflict but the place where you. can most clearly see the benefit is with. your military industrial complex okay. now your quest question is there. actually a benefit to anyone or is it. just a mask. again putting on that that that CIA. transparency truthfulness hat the answer. is both it is absolutely a mask. America's intentions have very little to. do with protecting Ukraine and we'll.

talk about that in just a second right. but that's the Mask Part we want the. world to think and of course the Biden. Administration wants Americans to think. that the most important reason that. we're involved is we're protecting. democracy that's not the most important. reason there is a mask element but then. there is an element where we really do. benefit when America prevents itself. from announcing a recession it means. that consumers like you and I always. have uncertainty. right uncertainty is not ideal but.

uncertainty is much better than. certainty that we are having a recession. as soon as the government announces a. recession people stop buying people stop. spending the economy really does react. right because it's no longer speculation. it's confirmed fact when GDP shrinks and. now all of a sudden they're going to. have to deal with. actual Americans not going out anymore. Americans not being uncertain but. actually being afraid so they want to. prevent that from happening and they can. prevent that from happening by never.

allowing us to. enter into recessionary status even. though you and I feel it the truth is. that according to like the economic laws. that we follow as a country we're not. yet in a recession there's five. indicators we've hit four of the. indicators but we haven't hit the fifth. indicator yet we haven't had that. negative GDP growth for two consecutive. quarters so there is a benefit that. we're all feeling if only because. uncertainty is better than certainty of.

recession. now let's talk about the mask right. America and the Biden Administration. like the Trump Administration before it. and the Obama Administration before that. and the Bush Administration before that. if you've been tracking the four. administrations closely. what you see among all four is a very. steady consistent effort to secure. American Primacy in the long run to keep. America as the world's largest economic.

superpower they've all wanted that. they've all executed it in different. ways and of course when they're up at. the pulpit they're all saying something. differently right but the truth is they. all want to make America strong they all. want to make America wealthy because. they understand that a wealthy America. because is the world's largest. superpower. what has gotten in the way is that with. those four presidents especially they've. driven a strong polarity divide.

they haven't talked about Unity they've. talked about doubling down on their own. party Biden and Obama are super strong. about this like they they talk about. Reaching Across the aisle but they force. their own policies through right that. was something that really started with. Obama and we've never turned back Obama. passed executive orders Obama was very. staunchly uh in favor of of. abusing when the Democrats had both the. house and the Senate under their control. and forcing through the Universal Health.

Care Act Right so that set a precedent. that then every president since then has. just followed so because of that driving. of polar political ideas. we've had the situation where nobody. works together if we were all working. together if the house and the Senate. were working together in conjunction. with the president all working towards. American superiority we wouldn't be in. the mess that we're in right now. but instead they're bickering about woke. culture they're bickering about you know.

whether or not pharmacies make too much. money and whether or not you know. fracking should be legal in east coast. states they're bickering about baloney. and all of that is just wasting time and. wasting effort that could be put into. securing a long-term American future I. mean do you honestly believe. that. our government officials president. included want what's best for the United. States. I believe honestly that our officials.

want what's best for preserving the. United States government. that's what I believe I do not believe. that the senders and Congress people. that we. vote for. maybe in their first or second term they. care about their constituents but once. they become career politicians they care. about their career they don't care about. us anymore. the president doesn't care about the. people the president cares about. preserving the American government right.

there's this uh. there's a a sociological. pyramid. that's called like the the Pyramid of. civilization it's a fantastic thing if. they actually had a fantastic uh. um exhibit in Chicago recently that. walked you through this civilization. pyramid and there's three phases on the. pyramid the base phase is individualism. right it's when we were all cavemen and. we had to fend for ourselves right. totally individualistic if I wanted to.

eat I had to go get my food if I wanted. shelter I had to go make my shelter that. was the basic level as you move up the. pyramid we became tribes. in a tribe I might be good at picking. berries you might be good at killing. Bears so I pick berries and share them. with you you kill bears and give the fur. to me right we have some sort of. community but we're still free to. basically punch each other in the face. if we don't get along. the third phase above tribes is States. when a when human beings organize.

themselves into States two important. things happen first we gain the. efficiency of all the people in the. state so now your really talented I.T. people can do i t stuff and you're. really talented police officers can do. police stuff and we all benefit because. everybody's working at their Peak. efficiency it's way better than. tribalism and for sure better than. individualism but in order to cool to. cooperate as a state we also have to. give something up and the thing we give.

up is our individual freedom. because now if I if I didn't if I didn't. want to share with you as an individual. I didn't have to as a tribe if I. disagreed with you I could punch you in. the face. but as a state it's illegal for me to. punch you in the face because the state. has set a law that prevents my. individual freedom of expressing myself. and protecting myself or whatever else. it might be right so as you move up this. level if you move up this is the. societal chain things get more efficient.

and things get more governable. but you lose your individual Freedom. also as you move up the ladder you start. needing professional bureaucrats. right when you're an individual. everybody has to hunt everybody has to. build shelter as a tribe you have to. have some useful skill that serves the. tribe. but as a state you can have no useful. skills and just be in charge of. organizing other people who have useful. skills. right so that that pyramid is really.

important to understand because we we. live at the top of the pyramid which. means the bureaucrats in that pyramid. their most important objective is. preserving the state. the president and all the politicians. that we vote for ultimately come to that. conclusion that the most important thing. in their career is preserving the state. not serving the people I mean the reason. I'm asking you that is because all the. corruption coming from China and.

possibly Ukraine I'm more familiar with. China but you know they are. all these politicians are opening these. businesses in China. can shut them down at any moment if they. don't because it's a communist country. you know they control they control. everything over there so your name is. Joe Biden Mitch McConnell any. Nancy Pelosi Feinstein you know it. doesn't matter what side of the aisle.

I'm bringing up Republicans and. Democrats here they all of these people. have businesses in China that make lots. of money way more than me or you and you. know they could just shut shut that down. immediately and there goes there goes. the money right you know and so that's. why I'm asking are they. if you think that they still have. America's best interest. again I'm differentiating I don't. believe they have America's best. interests I believe they are there to.

preserve the American government yeah. right so the it's a Nuance difference. but here's here's here's an example. right. if I if you if you or I were to have a. business in China. China would most likely reward us for. having a business in China they would. Direct business towards our business so. that we would make more money but then. they would also have tax incentives and. maybe even straight up bribes that pay. us directly because they want to keep.

American money flowing into a Chinese. business because that's what we're doing. we're funding the business in China. using American currency we take a loan. with an American Bank convert that US. dollar into Chinese runmen B and then. fund our business in China until we. start making money in China and then. ideally we would keep the money we make. in China in China because if we were to. bring it back to turn it into U.S. currency we would lose on the exchange. and lose on American taxes so China. knows that.

all foreign countries know that they. want American ownership because it's a. direct line that brings US Dollars into. their economy. so if you or I or any politician has a. business in China we're most likely. getting two types of benefit Kickbacks. plus businesses being driven towards us. now we also realize that we're not going. to be politicians forever. right we're only going to be politicians. for a short period of time 20 years at. most in in a 60 or 80 year life.

and then we're going to be retired so. China knows that too so what they want. is to make sure that we have a positive. experience doing business in China so. that when Mitch McConnell retires or. when Joe Biden retires or when Nancy. Pelosi retires whoever replaces them. wants to do the same thing. and have a business interest in China. because they're going to get Kickbacks. and they're going to get business out of. it right the revolving door in politics. is very much a revolving door of.

benefits do you know Congress people. make 250 000 a year I did not know that. do you know who ratified the law that. that's what they would get paid. Congress that's insane that's insane the. average voter makes forty five thousand. dollars a year the people they vote into. office make 250. 000 a year why did Biden get on stage. during his his uh State of the Union in. February just a few weeks ago why did he.

get up there and promise no new tax cuts. to anybody or no new tax no new taxes on. anybody who makes uh less than four. hundred thousand dollars a year why was. that the number. because senior politicians can make up. to four hundred thousand dollars a year. half of which is their salary for being. a politician he doesn't want to tax the. Senate just like the Senate doesn't want. to ratify a law to pay themselves less. right it's just it's it's not corruption. in a classic sense because it is.

democracy it takes 50 people or it takes. a majority of the Senate and a majority. of the Congress to to vote these bills. in I think it takes two-thirds for the. Senate right the majority of people are. saying yes to paying themselves a flat. rate so that's what keeps it from being. corrupt because corruption is just when. you and I do something we don't tell. anybody else yeah. back to Ukraine. let's talk about the pipeline all the. different scenarios that that could have.

been yeah and there's a lot of scenarios. right so when I when I look at this. issue. it's hard for me to shake a few things. so first it's hard for me to shake how. little information we know. we just we don't know enough information. and it's not because the information. doesn't exist. it's because the information isn't being. shared. so the American public and the public at. large doesn't get to know all the facts.

but we have to come to our own sort of. conclusion. meanwhile the government organizations. who are actually investigating right the. military divers who go down there and. check it out the intelligence. organizations who collect Intelligence. on it they have more information than we. have. but they're not announcing any. conclusions. so instead we're left wondering what. could it be. and it's it's hard for me because I. don't I don't like to make conclusions. without some sort of predominant. information.

so it's hard for me to shake the fact. that we're not getting the information. other people have. the other thing that's hard for me to. shake. is that it doesn't make sense. that Russia. who's already got the eye of the world. on them. is and who has proven to be so. questionably competent on the. battlefield. how are they going to orchestrate. such an effective covert sabotage. operation that we don't know for sure.

that it's them. if we knew for sure that it was them. that would be everywhere everybody would. share the proof of that right Biden has. made it a new National policy to share. intelligence when it benefits us on the. battlefield that's why he talks about. Russia invading Ukraine right in the. days but in the weeks before Ukraine he. talked about that. declassifying intelligence reports now. he's declining intelligence report uh. declassifying intelligence reports about. China offering lethal Aid to Russia.

so if he can just. swing a a magic wand and declassify. something why not declassify the. information if they know for sure that. Russia bombed those pipelines then let. let us know but that's not what's. happening. so when I see information being hidden. and I also see a lack of transparency. than where my mind naturally goes is to. covert action right covert action is. designed to be action that you take.

without having a government take. responsibility for it. so it smells like covert action but. whose covert action is it the Russians. paying some third party to destroy the. pipelines maybe but it doesn't really. make sense because eventually Russia is. going to want to turn those pipelines. back on again. is it the United States paying some. third party to attack those pipelines. maybe but again it's unlikely because if. the Americans get caught sabotaging.

European pipelines that's a massive. blowback that's that's like the end of. NATO if America is caught interfering. with its own pipelines so if it's not. either of those two players who's the. covert action behind it. could be China could be someone like. Iran or North Korea operating on their. own in support of the war. could also be a country like Ukraine. that wants to continue to fervor. conflict between that continue to create. this hatred of Russia so they could work.

through some third party or they could. work through some mercenary group to. affect the pipelines it doesn't bother. them right blowback could be significant. but either way whether it's China or. Russia North Korea or even somebody like. the Saudis who are a total wild card in. all World conflict. somebody seems to be using covert action. on those pipelines. do you have any opinions on who you. think it is I don't have enough.

information to say for sure I will say I. don't think it's the Americans and I. will also say I don't think it's the. Russians I don't think it's the two. people that get accused the most it just. it doesn't make sense it doesn't make. sense that either of those two world. powers would take that step. it's nothing but it's a net economic and. a net tactical loss for either of those. two countries to have done it other. countries have more to gain and less to. lose right so it just seems. through the lens of tactical operations.

planning. that it wouldn't be either of those two. countries what do you think about all. the speculation of with all the supposed. money laundering that's going on over in. Ukraine I I am willing to bet that. there's that it's more than just. speculation right remember that prior to. the invasion Ukraine was a corrupt. country a corrupt non-democratic country. and I mean it had it had criminal. elements to it it had organized crime.

elements to it it had its own oligarchs. its own right fiefdoms they had there. was infighting military commanders were. were siphoning off government money like. they were a mess prior to the invasion. The Invasion made things. like reorganize it unified certain. things but all that that skeletal. structure for criminal activity it was. all still there. so it doesn't I don't think it's.

speculation at all that there could. still that there is still money. laundering there is still weapons uh. black market for taking Aid and weapons. and recycling it and reselling and all. of that still exists it makes sense. logically and there have been active. reports from both military and. humanitarian people on the ground who. have confirmed it what about. U.S money money law that's the major.

concern right now in the media is. are our politician is this money coming. back into our politicians pockets. that one's trickier right. um. if you look on that scale of probability. I would absolutely say that it's a high. probability that the money going into. Ukraine is being recycled back to the. politicians it it just makes sense. between business cutouts uh political. organizations uh.

uh humanitarian Aid and tax benefits. future benefits right it makes total. sense that there's a high probability. that that a portion of the money that's. going into Ukraine is going to come. right back into politicians Pockets but. is it going to be like a simple direct. link no it's going to be some convoluted. uh either legal or uh or. commonly accepted unprosecutable type of.

process to bring that money back in what. would that look like. I mean it could look like a number of. things so keep in mind the biggest the. biggest thing to keep in mind is that. we're all talking about war in Ukraine. nobody is talking about what happens. after the war is over. Ukraine is destroyed. entire cities have been leveled. the place was poverty stricken before. the cities were leveled so the day after. this war is over the whole country needs.

to rebuild. who's going to get the contracts to. rebuild the country. we are. and when that happens. where's the money going to come from for. those contracts us and from the. Ukrainian government that's going to be. in charge of the Reconstruction right. that's going to bring money back into. American businesses that's going to. bring tax incentives to American. businesses that's going to bring all. sorts of secondary and tertiary. Financial benefits right not to mention. the fact that if Ukraine wins which on.

the on the likelihood scale is low. but if Ukraine wins there's going to be. some kind of international Court some. sort of NATO Endeavor to essentially. fine Russia or create debt for Russia to. help fund and pay back the damage that. was done to Ukraine so that means. Russian money is going to be used to pay. back the United States also don't forget. the United States has frozen Russian. funds. in American Banks they've been frozen. for six months just sitting there what's.

what's that money going to be used for. the Reconstruction of Ukraine who's. who's it going to go to American. companies right so for sure that's. that's how that money is going to work. because that's not legally prosecutable. right nobody's breaking a law especially. not in American law by letting that. happen but it's all still in the best. interest of the United States remember. earlier we were talking about how the. one kind of solid consistent point from. president to president has been making. decisions that make America.

remain as close to the economic. superpower as they can be. the war in Europe. the current war in Europe and the. aftermath of the war in Europe. in many many ways all benefits the. United States so the bind Administration. is it's in their best interest to keep. this conflict going so the the last kind. of element again that people aren't. really talking about right there's the. Reconstruction of Europe there's a. reconstruction of Ukraine people aren't. talking about that the other thing. people aren't talking about is NATO's.

role. in the Reconstruction of Ukraine and. NATO's role in the Ukraine conflict. Ukraine and Russia like you and I. discussed. that is actually a conflict in Europe we. shouldn't talk about it just as Ukraine. Russia we should talk about it as the. European conflict. when you look at it as a European. conflict it's really interesting because. NATO. and specifically the European countries. in NATO take America out take Canada out.

the European countries in NATO. are very much divided on what to do in. Ukraine Germany didn't want to send them. weapons they only caved under under. intense pressure from the United States. right the French president has has been. outspoken from the very beginning that. he didn't want to stir up or anger and. incite additional Russian aggression he. was the one that that made Biden stop. talking such fervent uh uh.

I mean if you recall Biden made a speech. in Poland where he called for the for. the uh unseating of Putin right he. called for for regime change in Poland. until president macron uh came in and. said we don't talk about that right. you're not welcome to speak that way in. NATO territory right so the French. President the German Chancellor. uh even Hungary as a country as a whole. has taken a very strong stance against.

American direction of NATO. so if we were to take America out of. NATO right now. support for Ukraine with dirt would dry. up the NATO countries the European. countries themselves they don't want. this conflict. they're really only acquiesced to. intense American pressure for this. conflict. and because America has put so much. money into the conflict itself when the. conflict is over they're not gonna. America is not going to want to put in. the money for humanitarian Aid America.

is going to want to get its payback it's. going to want to be paid back for. reconstruction efforts but it's going to. force the NATO Partners to take care of. all the humanitarian Aid right so it's. this it's this situation where Europe. can see the writing on the wall Europe's. in a is in a Hurt Locker. they have to do what America tells them. to do right now because America is like. the the only superpower on their side. China wants to woo Europe but China but.

Europe doesn't trust China and Russia is. right on the doorstep of Europe so they. don't want to trust Russia so they're. left with only one Ally and it's us and. we're bullies too. so Europe doesn't really know what to do. they don't want this conflict they've. paid the price absolutely there was an. energy crisis all winter. it was not as drastic as some of us were. expecting it to be because winter was. warm but they were still paying 400. times the price or 400 more for energy. than what they were paying before. businesses still shut down governments.

had to subsidize individual uh people to. be able to pay their Heating and cool. their heating bills and their gas bills. over the winter right and it's not over. yet it's only it's only March so there's. still cold weather in Europe so it's. just Europe Europe and the United States. are not nearly as aligned as American. headlines want you to believe and all. you have to do to see that is read. European headlines right read a. newspaper from the UK read a periodical. that comes out of Europe just put away.

the CNN put up definitely put away CNN. put away all of your liberal news. sources that are based in the United. States and you can still read liberal. news sources in Europe and you'll get a. more accurate representation of the fact. that Europe is not nearly as aligned as. our newspapers try to make us think they. are. and they're worried they're worried that. they're going to get called in to spend. a bunch of their money to help rebuild a. Ukraine that never benefited them. interesting.

last night at dinner you brought up a. very good point on how we are shipping. all of our old military equipment into. Ukraine and it's it's an aspect that I. never it just had not crossed my mind. can you go into that a little bit please. yeah so uh Wars are fought first. through Supply chains right and uh. during peace time the United States. military has certain requirements to.

maintain a peacetime Arsenal. and peacetime level production so. peacetime production and peacetime. Supply. reserves are much less than wartime. right. and it's because the idea is if some. kind of conflict were to break out then. all the existing Supply would be used to. support the conflict while we spun up. production to start producing more. weapons well what happened here is that. the conflict wasn't with the United. States the conflict was within them with.

not even an American Ally but a country. that we chose to support at a certain. time so all of our all of our reserves. of weapons which were all dated they all. had a shelf life right it's kind of like. when you fill your your pantry with. canned tuna fish and canned beans you. know as soon as a snowstorm hits you use. that first because you want to use it up. right you don't want it to expire so we. sent them all of these dated weapons. that was the first round of weapons that.

we sent. well then as the conflicts continued we. started seeing it as an opportunity for. us to test some of our more modern. weapons so we sent High Mars we're now. we're sending uh sending. um different types of satellites and and. radio equipment right where we started. sending more experimental stuff drones. to Ukraine but we never started. resupplying our stocks because we kept. producing at peacetime levels even. though Ukraine is spending ammunition at.

wartime levels. so that was part of the reason the. United States started telling Germany. and France and Poland they had to start. sending weapons to Ukraine was because. our peacetime reserves were used up and. our peacetime production levels can't. maintain the fight. so we're in this Jam. and in this Jam we have to decide as a. country do we start producing at wartime. levels even though we're not at War. one of the big reasons that you see. bipartisan support for the conflict in.

Ukraine is because both Republicans and. Democrats know that their constituencies. are going to benefit when the American. military-industrial machine starts. producing at wartime levels producing. more ammunition more canons more hand. more Small Arms more protective gear. we're going to make a huge stockpile to. support us if we ever go to war with. China but we're also going to create. this huge stockpile that we can then. keep using to supply Ukraine and drive. up GDP drive up American benefits right.

the same thing is happening in Russia. and this is where again if you're going. to be honest you gotta you gotta call. honesty for what it is Russia is. fighting Ukraine with Russia's old. weapons. that's why the tanks that they use and. the guns that they use and the. ammunition they use failed them. we sent our Surplus and our stockpile to. support Ukraine Russia used their. Surplus and their stockpile to launch an. invasion. that's why it didn't work. now all of Russia's best stuff Russia is.

a little bit like us they create weapons. they invent weapons they also. manufacture weapons but the main source. of their income is in exporting those. weapons so for the last 25 to 30 years. Russia's been exporting their Cutting. Edge weapons and their dated weapons. they've been exporting them to places. like China. so when you hear headlines now talking. about China giving lethal Aid to Russia. what that really actually means is China.

reselling their Russian ammunition back. to Russia. that's not the same thing if America has. given Advanced weapons to Ukraine. essentially on a on a lease basis. right we have given Ukraine better. weapons than they previously had and. we're giving them our weapons. the lethal Aid that people are trying. that the newspapers in the in the White. House are trying to say is so uh is a.

red line of some sort the lethal Aid. that China is trying to support Russia. is actually just giving them back the. same weapons that Russia sold to China. in the last 20 years. 20 year old shells 15 year old cannons. right. they're just giving they're just selling. them back the same Munitions that they. bought from them before that's bull. market that's capitalism. right so it's interesting to me that. that there's such a. uh such a campaign right now at the NATO.

and the media level. to make it seem like China's Crossing. some sort of red line. by essentially just selling back Russian. weapons back to Russia because Russia. can't manufacture weapons at wartime. levels either right it takes time to. spin that up yeah. clearly there's hypocrisy going on here. right we're giving high-tech weapons to. Ukraine Russia is buying back their own. old weapons from China it's not quite.

the same thing I is it lethal Aid it is. but we're also giving lethal Aid to. Ukraine so is it because this war is. illegal there's no such thing as a legal. War yeah all war is illegal so I'm not. quite understanding here outside of the. lens of of. shaping a narrative it's not really true. it's it's not something that I. understand why we seem to think that. it's worth it to escalate this conflict.

why would we escalate the conflict with. China why would we risk escalating. conflict with China over what Russia and. Ukraine have been fighting for the last. year. do you think. do you think we're going to see some. major technological advancements from. this from getting rid of all of our old. stuff and and I mean we saw a lot of. new advancements in the last 20 years. you know in the in the. Afghan Iraq Wars do you think we're.

going to see that with this war being. that we're not really there absolutely I. think the answer is yes and it's because. of what you're getting at right. when you have a true Battlefield. to test your equipment that's called. battle tested. right that's the most that's the highest. level of testing you can get field. testing and then battle tested right. battle tested and approved. so not only do you have all of these new. weapons that have been developed by the.

United States proving themselves out in. the field and do you know they don't all. work. plenty of the weapons that we've sent to. Ukraine don't work Canon split drones. fall out of the sky right uh body armor. fails night vision goggles don't work. there's all sorts of things that don't. work but we get a chance to take that. feedback from the field directly back to. the manufacturer who can make. instantaneous improvements and then test. and send out more testable gear so we're. battle testing American weapons.

right without having to risk American. lives now that's important because. remember what happened in Afghanistan. back in the 80s we started funding and. arming the Taliban and then 30 years. later we had to go to war with the. Taliban and they were shooting down our. helicopters with the same weapons we. gave them yeah we learned from that we. don't want that to happen again so when. we give our old weapons and our. experimental weapons to Ukraine and they. break or get used up in Ukraine we don't.

ever have to worry about them coming. back to bite us in the future. so we can prove out the highest working. the most effective weapons and we can. keep that for ourselves and let it just. be a training ground in Ukraine which is. why you see this constant conflict. between zelinski asking for more we need. more we need more we need more part of. that is him being what he's supposed to. be right he's supposed to be the. cheerleader for the country but the. reason he doesn't get more is because. the United States knows we can't give.

him everything he's asking for or else. there's going to be this big surplus of. American modern weapons in Ukraine. and if they lose Russia gets all those. weapons if they win we have a very. formidable Force trained and equipped. with top of the line weapons right that. doesn't make NATO comfortable that. doesn't make the United States. comfortable so it's this hard Balancing. Act between giving them just enough that. they can keep the fight going but not. enough that they can actually ensure. their own security. so will we have better weapons coming.

out of it without a doubt not to mention. the fact that Ukraine itself. all of the talent in Ukraine and Ukraine. was a very talented country in terms of. cyber security computer Warfare. um uh engineering there's a lot of. talent in Ukraine before it was invaded. now all of those War fighters who have. been forbidden and restricted from. leaving the country they've turned their. talents into weapons making right they. used to create apps for phones now they. create apps for weapons they used to.

create optics for medical devices now. they create optics for weapons right. that's a whole second revolution of. technology that when America comes in. and rebuilds Ukraine and starts. investing in Ukraine businesses they. have first dibs on all that new Ukraine. Tech. funded by American dollars do you have. any insight on these bio Labs over over. there I I've heard so much in the media. about who's tied to them. why they're there who's been funding.

them. I don't trust anything that the. mainstream media says I think that's a. very wise approach I don't trust. anything the mainstream media says I. especially don't trust that if it only. comes from one media Source right bio. labs are tricky man because bio Labs. they're a double-edged sword you have to. have them. you have to have biological Labs because. if someone else is producing a. biological weapon you have to always be. producing a biological defense so you.

can't just not have a bio lab. the flip side is. if your enemies are creating a. biological weapon and you're not. creating a biological weapon to combat. their weapon then you run the risk of. running your your doubling down on the. idea that you're going to create a. solution or a defense that works. nobody wants to be nobody wants to play. only defense well why would we put. something that sophisticated. and that dangerous in a third world.

country. that's right next to Russia why why do. you think we would do that. deniability deniability lower cost do. you know where some of the most advanced. American do you know where some of the. most advanced European drone. manufacturing companies are I do not. Belarus really. why are they in Belarus that's a damn. good question I mean I. because it's cheap it seems high high. high risk high risk High reward prior to.

2022 prior to February 24th. people weren't afraid of like Russian. aggression extending into a foreign. country. everybody was very focused on. exponential growth do you remember that. covid it took it took the whole world. coming to its knees economically during. covid before we all woke up to the fact. that China controlled the supply lines. and the supply chains for the entire. world. we let that happen the whole world let.

that happen and didn't wake up until. covid could you imagine if covet hadn't. happened. China would still be at the center of. the world's supply chain and we would. still be blind to it I mean they still. are correct in many ways they still are. but now at least we're trying to. diversify southeast Asia India Latin. America countries have started stepping. in to fill that supply chain Gap and at. this at the rate that we're growing. China will lose its dominant role.

ideally in the next five to seven years. as we diversify Supply chains but the. truth is had we not had coveted never. happened we would have never turned on. those additional Supply chains the same. thing is true in Europe had Russia never. invaded. Ukraine we'd still be putting high risk. High reward opportunities like modern. day technology and bio Labs into third. world countries we're only talking about. Europe brother think about Latin America. think about the Middle East think about. southeast Asia how much investment is in.

those third world countries because of. the cost of Labor. natural resources ease of Shipping Lines. right it's insane that's what a. globalized world looks like. so we kind of I I feel like again going. back to like a large scale question. we're at this place as Americans we're. at this place where we have to ask. ourselves the question. what's the future that we really want do. we want a globalized world where.

everybody has an opportunity to be to. maximize efficiency and and generate. tremendous wealth or do we want to be a. country that has. monopolies and opportunistic advantages. and we control who gets opportunities. and who doesn't get opportunities the. liberal media tells us that we should. lean into globalization. pragmatic National Security tells you. that you should not. right do we want a world another. question do we want a world where the.

world is is at peace where countries are. can afford to take care of themselves. and feed their own people and everybody. should have like equal opportunity or do. we want a country where American Primacy. is secure and America Remains the. world's top superpower because you can't. have both. you can't let Europe grow in terms of. influence and let China grow in terms of. influence and let Russia grow in terms. of influence because you want them to. have more power to control their own. peace without taking away from American.

Primacy. if you want a long-term secure America. essentially you want exactly what we. have right now where NATO is forced to. do what America tells them to do where. America can single-handedly fund a. conflict in a third world country right. where we as Americans only have to worry. about one enemy at a time and our one. enemy that we have to worry about right. now is China. you don't have to answer this if you. don't want what is your opinion on the. globalization stuff.

my honest answer is that I want a. long-term secure America. there always will be a winner and a. loser always. so if I have a choice. I'm going to choose to be on The Winning. Side. do I think that there is suffering in. the world yes there will always be. suffering in the world do I think that. some people live in unfair harsh. conditions yes but they will always have.

unfair harsh conditions. the difference is I don't ever want. those conditions to exist for me and my. family I know that makes me sound cold. and crass and I know that makes me sound. you know like I just don't care about. people well I do care about people but. in a priority order and I care about my. family and my fellow Americans before I. think about anybody else well you know. you've seen a lot you've been a you've. been around the world you've seen how.

bad it can get I don't think it may. sound cruel to the people that are. listening to this that haven't been. anywhere but you know the bubble that. they live in but for people like me and. you who've seen how bad it can get. who've seen starvation and and food. shortages and power outages and and and. and and more yeah you know I know. different scenario for us I you know I. have reason I'm bringing this up and and. um. we're going to talk about this later. hopefully after China but.

as things with everything that we know. right now. um. and 100 agree with you I want what's. best for America I want what's best for. the United States because of my family. my fellow Americans. but. with all these UAP UFO weaponizing space. all the stuff that that is kind of. starting to bring be shuffled into the. Limelight here it makes me wonder you.

know. what what is out there that we don't. know and if there is something out there. and it does happen to be a threat to our. world. I don't think we're going to get very. far is. as we are now where we're all fighting. each other and and we're enemies we're. gonna have to we're gonna have to unite. eventually if. that stuff is is. what some people think it might be no.

and I completely agree and what's what's. important to understand there is that. the whole remember we were talking about. that pyramid of society there's. individualism tribalism and then the. state. when. when human beings are threatened. as a whole. that pyramid disappears. right because now we don't care that. you're China and we're America. when there's a if there's some kind of.

invasion extra planetary extra planetary. extraterrestrial invasion of Earth. the whole concept of State disappears. because now it's everybody is is trying. to just survive. I don't believe that an invasion of. Earth would ever look like that. if there's intelligent life out there. just I mean you and I are intelligent. life if you had to plan the invasion of. another planet just you by yourself. you would not try to go into that planet.

guns blazing taking over everything you. would find somebody on the planet to. partner with. you would promise them advantages you. would promise them special treatment you. would promise them some sort of edge. over their opponents and you would. surreptitiously invade and take over the. planet. if there's life out there and they're. intelligent we always seem to assume. they're more intelligent than us.

so if our plan would be to. surreptitiously invade a planet. and they're more intelligent than us. think about how advanced their plan. would actually be they wouldn't let. humanitarian they wouldn't let Humanity. unite they would have a plan to make. sure that Humanity stays heavily divided. maybe even wipes itself out and leaves. behind a planet that they can take over. right like that's that's the stuff that. really scares me the stuff in Sci-Fi. movies. is entertainment it's there to make us.

feel. strong feelings and forget about life. for an hour and a half that's what. sci-fi is there to do yeah real life. strategy and real life tactics is there. so that nobody sees it coming it happens. quickly it happens violently and it's. forgotten very quickly that's what real. life looks like. so when I think about an alien invasion. when I think about any kind of. intelligent life form coming to take. over Earth it's not going to look like. it looks in a Sci-Fi movie it's going to.

look like. some sort of very. uh Insidious plan that we don't even. know is happening until after it's over. yeah I mean it's all speculation up to. this point right you know nobody really. unless you know more than I know and you. make but um and and I want to cover that. we'll get into the Weeds on that you. know on the backhand of uh on the back. end of the China topic but um but it is. it's an interesting subject for. absolutely a lot of people.

think that the Ukraine Russia conflict. is going to develop into World War III. what do you think about that I think. we're probably already in World War III. to be honest world World War III is not. going to look like World War II we were. talking about this a little bit earlier. with the idea of proxy wars. proxy wars are a tool that superpowers. use to fight against each other without. expending their own human lives.

we've been in proxy wars since 2012. Syria Afghanistan I'm sorry Syria Yemen. Libya we're all proxy wars and those are. just the major proxy wars we're not even. talking about some of the wars that. you've seen in in Thailand in Myanmar. conflicts that have happened all across. Latin America coups and Africa. they're all smaller less less newsworthy. proxy wars and Americans are totally. blind to it in many ways I would argue.

that we're already in the beginning. phases of World War III and world war. three looks like proxy war between the. world's largest economies which those. economies are starting to band together. right World War II was defined by axis. and allies remember that you had you had. Italy and Germany Nazi Germany and Japan. all working together with some other. countries and then you had the UK and. the Americans and the Australians all.

working together with countries like. Russia and China. as the Allied Powers we're already. seeing that happen now you're seeing it. in the U.N you're seeing it with NATO. you see Russia China. Iran North Korea coming closer and. closer together pulling turkey into. their own sphere of influence you see. Poland. Germany the UK the United States Canada. all pulling together right and you see.

these the countries the world itself. dividing along these axis and and Allied. Powers again. that's to me signs that the world is. already preparing for a long-term. engagement a long-term War the war just. won't look like nuclear weapons and. bombers taking over cities it's going to. look like a straw a line of third world. countries that everybody's going to. fight over and there's going to be. there's going to be Devastation in these.

third world countries that are. resource-rich countries mineral-rich. countries strategically important. countries. but the majority of the population will. stay calm because they won't feel like. they're at War. World War One World War II you had mass. panic you had hysteria people were. terrified all the time children hiding. under desks because there was a there. was a war of there was a war going on. and everybody could use that word. we've grown governments have grown much. smarter since then they don't want.

people talking about war they want. people worried about nuclear weapons. because that makes you support your own. government but as soon as you're at War. we learned in Vietnam. the people can turn against their. government. no government wants that. well you know. I agree with you 100 however zielinski. is on the record saying. America is going to have to send their. their sons and daughters over here to.

fight and die alongside with us. and there's been rumors and I'm sure. they're just rumors. um I don't think there's any validity to. them yet but talking about a draft do. you you know this could escalate and we. are talking about all these different I. mean look at Afghanistan China was there. to negotiate with Taliban before we were. even pulled out. and. um I believe that was all over lithium. you know but.

what's to say that we don't send our own. guys again into these into these third. world countries that are rich in. materials and and and and. um. strategic importance yes. yeah there's always a probability. there's always a possibility always I. just think the probability is low. when we let's be frank when we talk. about President zielinski all right. president zielinski.

is a president. of a third world country that is at war. with Russia. has he gone down and and secured his. place in history as a heroic president I. would say yes. but. he was an actor. before he was elected by a third world. population to become the leader of their. country. and the show that he's famous for was a. show where basically he was talking.

about Russian corruption in Ukraine for. all we know he could still just be. playing the same role that he was. playing when he was an actor he has no. Statesman chops he has no background in. understanding diplomacy or understanding. politics over the last year there have. been at least a half a dozen instances. where he has spoken out of turn and then. been corrected. do you remember when he uh he said that. he would never negotiate with Putin do.

you remember that I do I was like what. eight months ago six months ago and then. he got a phone call from President Biden. that said something along the lines of. you can't draw a red line like that and. then he changed his position. right you saw him talk about how uh the. war would never stop until Ukraine had. regained all of its territorial. Integrity back as far as 1999 and then. he had to walk that back right the guy. is a very good populist leader he's very.

good at getting people excited and he's. very good at making headlines and that's. good because that's what Ukraine needs. but he's not a Statesman right he's he. is not an experienced. uh wartime leader in terms of actually. knowing how to negotiate and and uh. reduce conflict that's not what he's. good at. he has to constantly get redirected by. the United States because we are the.

primary people funding his War right. funding his defense so he's got he's. constantly having to renavigate us so. four days ago or earlier this week he. made some comment about how if China. gives lethal Aid to Russia the whole. world is going to war. he doesn't know what the hell he's. talking about no right. President Obama. said that chemical weapons in Syria were. going to be a red line. and then Assad used chemical weapons in. Syria.

and nothing happened right one of the. biggest blunders of the Obama. Administration that was an American. president committing American resources. to a conflict. so what right does president zielinski. have to commit World Resources to a. conflict that only involves him and his. him and Russia right now it's just not. likely yeah you know what I mean and for. me as an American watching this it makes. me very upset it makes me very. frustrated. to see.

how zelinski uses his public profile to. continue to incite violence and continue. to incite aggression. yes I understand Russia is doing the. same thing. but I remember being a 10 year old kid. and my parents teaching me that you have. to be the bigger man to win a conflict. right so if he just resorts to the same. kind of populous.

propaganda that the Russians use to. incite their own people to violence. who's actually winning. and this is what's mind-boggling to me. the only country to propose a peace plan. was China. China. proposed a peace plan that both zelinski. and Putin actually publicly. acknowledged and took and took the time. to read and listen to. now as of today they haven't agreed to. any peace plan but it's ridiculous that.

the one country who has thought up the. idea of taking a leadership role in. negotiating a ceasefire has been China I. think turkey may have tried something. early on. but it wasn't taken seriously by either. side but here China China is essentially. the world leader right now in. negotiating peace in Europe that's. mind-boggling what does that look like. for us. dude that's that's bad in so many ways.

first of all for China to even propose a. peace plan means that they understand. they have leverage over both parties you. never propose a peace plan unless you. have something to gain from the peace. China knows that they're one of the. primary sources for funding Russia so. they can definitely lean into Putin and. say hey we're going to give you an out. that saves face we're going to protect. your ego and protect your country by. giving you a ceasefire agreement that. benefits Russia. and if you if you do what we tell you to.

do you'll continue to have the benefits. of a Chinese partner right for the next. 20 years but they can also go to Ukraine. and say Ukraine. you do what we tell you to do because we. have a caller a leash on Russia. and we'll be able to protect and enforce. any agreement they make and because we. bring peace to Ukraine you'll give us. dibs on rebuilding Ukraine or you'll. give us beneficial treatment in Ukraine. in the future right so we're going to.

step in and essentially benefit from all. the money and conflict that if all the. money and investment that's come from. the United States do you remember what. happened when we left Afghanistan. which part that's every part right we. left Afghanistan China stepped in yeah. they took mineral rights they supported. the Taliban they started the. humanitarian effort I. that infuriates me I had how did that. how did that happen the same way it's. the same way they're setting it up right. now in Ukraine right the United States.

how was that messed yeah with especially. with this with this green energy. movement to to to abandon. lithium deposits of that size is just. it does it doesn't. was it on purpose. I mean I I subscribe to hanlon's Razer a. logic razor a logical saying that we're. taught at the agency never subscribe to. Contra never subscribe to.

conspiracy that which can be explained. with idiocy. I. I that kind of conspiracy to think that. we orchestrated the abandonment of. lithium mines to give them to China that. is so complicated. that it just makes more logical sense to. assume somebody was stupid. doesn't feel good. but probability wise that's the more. probable outcome but then you have all.

these ties between China and the Biden. Administration and China and Biden's son. and and. is it that much of a conspiracy so we. think that these ties we think that. these ties are new. and that's why we think they're. conspiracies. stop to think about the fact that China. did not participate in the war on terror. so what were they doing with all their. time money and attention going back to. 2001. they weren't fighting terrorists they.

were they were building this huge. network of resources all around the. globe they were taking advantage of the. fact that America was distracted the. other superpower was distracted by the. war on terror. right. we we essentially we got caught with our. pants down. right the whole world ran on the back of. Chinese Manufacturing. when you follow the breadcrumbs of. Chinese businesses. I mean it's shell corporation on top of. shell corporation on top of shell.

Corporation where did they learn that. from us. more more Chinese. visas were granted for Chinese people to. go to American law schools than any. other country. and when they finished law school they. didn't become American attorneys. they went back to China. to become attorneys for Chinese firms. that helped negotiate contracts globally. that they know they can enforce over the. United States one of the reasons that.

that this Chip War there's a big chip. war between the U.S and China one of the. big reasons that that chip war is. continuing and the reasons that that. Biden has to pass presidential. legislation to stop the transfer of. chips is because legally under existing. laws China has it all nailed down that's. how they took over Hong Kong they took. it over legally first they've been. laying the foundation to legally take. over Taiwan for the last seven years. right like that's how they operate they.

operate according to the the rule of. international law because then the. international courts have no option. except to support them and they can do. Insane things like beating people in the. streets in Hong Kong and not fall under. legal ramifications because they've. already got the laws all ironed out. right but going back to your point about. you know what's it look like if China. negotiates peace in Europe. it looks like the United States is a.

warmonger and it looks like the United. States no longer has a sphere of. influence in Europe because the United. States couldn't negotiate peace it took. China to negotiate peace that's what it. looks like it looks like that 2033. timeline just got shortened by about. three years yeah. we've been talking about if this goes to. World War III in in and it looks a lot. like what it is now just Amplified. however. Putin has threatened nuclear missiles.

so did. are you totally discounting that. I don't totally discount the use of. nuclear weapons here's I will say that. the probability of a nuclear weapon. going off in the United States is. extremely small. the probability of a nuclear weapon. going off in a NATO country is extremely. small. it doesn't make any sense for Putin to. use a nuclear warhead in a country that. guarantees war with the United States. that guarantees retaliation with the.

United States that doesn't make sense. but it's not nearly so cut and dry right. people think. again thanks to the oversimplification. of media we think that Russia is going. to launch some nuclear weapon that hits. New York. that's not how Wars are fought Wars are. fought with covert action and with. plausible deniability. so what happens if a small yield nuclear. weapon goes off in Kiev. that was smuggled there in a briefcase.

through Belarus. that's a much more likely outcome who. takes responsibility for that. who does NATO hold accountable for that. yeah right the only facts the only. evidence you would have are a blast in. Kiev. no missile. no source that you know of where it was. deployed from and maybe you can track it. back to crossing the border from Belarus. but Belarus isn't at war with Ukraine. Belarus is a proxy for Russia but you.

can't hold Putin responsible for what. Belarus does you have to hold lashenko. responsible for what Belarus does but. who holds him responsible it's not a. NATO country so does NATO go to war with. Belarus. you see how messy that would get that's. how this kind of conflict actually. happens you want there to be so much. confusion that people can't plan their. response one of the benefits that. autocracies have over democracies China. Russia being autocracies Syria uh Syria.

Iran being autocracies. is they don't have to worry about. bureaucratic gridlock. the United States on its own has. bureaucratic gridlock all the time NATO. NATO is a conglomerate of bureaucracies. it's a bureaucracy of bureaucracies so. imagine the gridlock that they have to. deal with part of the reason the United. States though is the one funding Ukraine. is because NATO can't make a decision. they can't make a decision over six.

months let alone six hours right at. least the president can pass an. executive order and everybody moves. forward. so autocracies are constantly playing. against that Democratic weakness of. bureaucracy so a pocket nuke goes off in. Kiev or a pocket new nuke goes off in in. the dunbas region. and it smuggled through Romania or. smuggled through Moldova or it's. smuggled through uh Belarus who's who's. held responsible for that what's the.

global response to that NATO is. gridlocked the United States is putting. pressure on NATO to come to a certain. conclusion but NATO doesn't want to come. to that conclusion because then they. look like they're being bullied by the. United States in the meantime you still. have a nuke that just went off in. Ukraine that is absolutely within the. realm of plausibility. but what's the benefit unless it's a. city like Kiev unless it takes out the. entire presidential Corps or the entire. leadership core it doesn't really. benefit Russia. and that's what Russia if Russia is.

going to use a nuke if they're going to. use a nuke overtly or covertly they want. to use it in a way that brings a very. specific benefit to them. for anybody who's thinking oh this is a. conspiracy bringing a nuke in a. briefcase I'd like to remind you that. Andy was on the nuclear program for the. U.S Air Force so I think he's a pretty. credible Source but. um so nuclear missiles are very public. things everybody sees the launch. everybody sees the re-entry.

it's all documented by satellites it's. it's a very public thing I'm good. if we do lose this if you crane loses. which it sounds like you're. damn near certain that they will what. does it look like for the U.S what does. it look like for the rebuild. so I want to Define win and loss to. start right. because zielinski has made his criteria. for winning. to be so.

unstatesmanlike he's basically said that. the definition for Ukraine to win is the. full reinstatement of all territories. going back to prior to the invasion of. Crimea that's the stat that's what it. takes for Ukraine to win according to. their own president. if he changes his stance on that. then that by and that in and of itself. shows that they've lost right so that's. such an impossible outcome. that's why I feel like the probability. of Ukraine winning according to their.

own definition of winning. I am damn near certain they're not going. to get that yeah they will most likely. get some kind of ceasefire where they. are given the opportunity to acquiesce. to the vote of eastern Ukraine to join. Russia and there'll be some kind of you. know dividing line much like we see in. between North and South Korea. that's what the world wants but that may. not be what zielinski wants so what does. it look like after that. it looks like.

it if if that ceasefire happens. and it's driven by NATO or it's driven. by the United States then it looks like. democracy wins. if that ceasefire happens and it's. driven by China or it's driven by Russia. or it's driven by some Ally that we. haven't even heard of of those two like. turkey then it looks like democracy is. weak. right so if conflict continues it looks.

like democracy is strong. if conflict ends. there's a split decision right now right. and that's a big reason why. the United States is happy to keep. funding a war it's also a big reason why. NATO is so uncomfortable with continuing. War because NATO does not want Russia. their neighbor. they don't want Russia to go insane get. out of control or be provocated provoked. into launching some sort of.

counter-offensive into a NATO country. destroyed. foreign. Germany Poland they don't want a nuclear. weapon going off in their country how. that is that is a devastating. catastrophe for any government to have. so poorly executed support for a for a. proxy war that they end up being the. target of a retaliatory strike think. about like that's the end of not just.

political careers that's the entire just. destruction through a nuclear weapon of. a large city so whenever the whenever. the president or the chancellor of. Germany or France has to consider what. they're going to do next they always. have to weigh that in their mind they. always have to be thinking yeah Russia. might be destroyed and so is Paris. Russia might be destroyed but so is. Munich in the United States we don't. have to worry about that in the United. States we might be like Russia's.

destroyed that's awesome Paris took a. bomb that sucks Americans are still safe. high five. right that's how we think here. that's how we have to think here if. we're really thinking about a world that. that is led by the United States as. their economic superpower. that's how we think. Roger that. it's a let's take a break. actually I'm going to split this into a. two-part series let's let's let's take a. break and then when we come back we'll.

pick up a China okay man we'll do some. lunch yeah. next on the Sean Ryan Show. if you recall under Obama Obama in his. second term coined something known as. the Asia pivot. right where he pivoted he started. working to Pivot through policy. all of our attention away from. counterterrorism and into China why are. we not shifting Focus Here China has. gotten to a place specifically with. China the most significant thing about.

China is that it's gotten to a place. where it has the potential to. direct next steps in Europe China's. president Xi Jinping landed in Moscow. graded by official Russian pomp then. whisked to the Kremlin. she is trying to position Beijing as a. peacemaker in the war in Ukraine Beijing. proposed a ceasefire in a 12-point plan. that's been rejected by the West. Hypersonic missiles Huawei.

Rare Earth minerals. Belt Road initiative they're involved in. all sorts of stuff that one thing to me. is the most imminent pressing concern. because if they figure out how to do. that. there's no way we're touching Taiwan or. keeping Taiwan safe. hey everybody I'm Sean Ryan click here. to subscribe to the Sean Ryan Show. YouTube channel for the hottest and most.

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