Andrew Bailey - Trump Taps Missouri AG for FBI Co-Deputy Director | SRS #176

[Music]. Andrew Bailey welcome to the show man. appreciate you having me on appreciate. you being here uh so this has been we've. been communicating back and forth for a. couple months now and uh it's just it's. awesome to finally have you in here man. it's a privilege to be here I've been. following your show and uh be able to.

sit in the same seat as some really. incredible people with some incredible. stories and get to be a part of it just. means a lot to me oh thank you for. saying that thank you for saying that. and you are doing amazing things as the. Attorney General from Missouri and uh. really sticking it to the federal. government when we needed it it seems to. me. like every state needs a you so how do. we uh I appreciate that how do we make. that happen.

but uh and we'll dig into that but we. got a lot of stuff to cover um talking. to your team down Sarah sounds like you. got a hell of a life story so I was. planning on just going over some. policies and some stuff that you're that. you're uh kind of tackling as the. Attorney General but but uh let's kick. it off with uh with a life. story but everybody starts with a. uh with an intro here so Attorney.

General Andrew Bailey you are the 44th. Attorney General of Missouri a decorated. combat veteran a prosecutor and a. staunch defender of constitutional. rights you went to college at the. University of Missouri on an army. scholarship following the September 11th. terrorist attacks on the United States. you were commissioned as an armored. Cavalry officer in the Army and later. deployed to Iraq following your time in. the Army you attended law school and. became a prosecutor to fight violent.

crime and protect Missouri communities. you've handled countless cases in both. state and federal courts throughout your. career defending our constitutional. freedoms and the most vulnerable while. delivering Justice to for victims you're. focused on protecting the Constitution. enforcing the laws is written defending. the state supporting the com the. counties and training a new generation. of service-minded. attorneys I'd like to remind everybody.

that you have a personal 90% plus. conviction rate as a prosecutor and. probably more more important than any of. this stuff you are a husband a father of. four with three adopted childrens and a. Christian yeah yeah that's uh that's. right uh getting to be dad's best thing. that's ever happened to me and uh my. faith in Christ uh guides me in. everything I do so it's been a you know. I always feel like I'm at my own own.

funeral when I hear the you know my. bio it's weird hearing it but yeah it uh. it's been a wild ride I've had some. great opportunities and uh excited about. my future in public service you know we. uh I got appointed to to this role two. years ago and been charging hard uh just. W re-election so got at least another. four years ahead of me in this role and. it's a privilege to get to do it. congratulations thanks uh it's really. inspiring what you're doing and I think. a lot of people are taking notes so um.

before we get to In The Weeds got a. couple more things so I have a patreon. account which is a subscription service. uh these folks have been with us since. the beginning without them I wouldn't be. sitting in here neither would you be. they funded this whole thing when it. started in my attic at my house then we. moved here total upgrade of equipment uh. they're just awesome supporters we've. turned it into a community and now we're.

actually building a studio out the woods. that's going to be about three and a. half times the size of this one so um. hopefully you get to see that get you. back on here and uh so one of the things. we do is we. offer we offer the community the. opportunity to ask each and every guest. a question and so this is from. Jeff with platforms like X and meta. easing their approach to content. moderation and censorship ship what do.

you see is the biggest emerging threats. of of free speech in the future yeah I. think corporate censorship remains a. problem I think ever since Elon Musk. took over X he has revitalized and. revolutionized the approach uh to. hosting a platform like that but meta. Google YouTube these are still. problematic platforms and you know we. filed a law a groundbreaking First. Amendment law suit Missouri V Biden that. we took all the way to the United States. Supreme Court to stop government. censorship on big social media platforms.

we uncovered the evidence where the. Biden administrations is yelling and. cussing at the executives at uh meta. demanding that they remove certain. content during the covid pandemic and. that's a violation of the First. Amendment um we prosecuted that case. like I said went all the way to United. States Supreme Court uncovered so much. of that evidence numerous depositions uh. thousands of pages of documents got a. preliminary injunction of the trial. court level was affirmed at the fifth. Circuit Court of Appeals the United. States Supreme Court uh said look.

censorship occurred uh but remanded the. case for further Discovery because the. evidence we had of censorship ended at a. certain period of time well that. evidence was cut off because we were. moving up towards the Supreme Court and. so we weren't doing Discovery we weren't. allowed to do Discovery as the case. moved up the process so we were back at. the tri court level in November the. people elected president Donald Trump. who on day one signed an executive order. to dismantle the vast censorship regime. that existed in the Federal federal. government so that's a huge win and.

again so much of it came from that case. Missouri V Biden proud of the work we. did on that but but corporate censorship. remains uh and so we've got to fight. back against that you know there's such. a unique history to the development of. the big Tech social media Marketplace in. 1996 Congress passed the section 230 of. the communications decency act that is. both a sword and a shield for these big. Tech social media platforms it's a it's. a shield in that they are shielded from. civil liability they're not considered. uh common law Publishers so they're not.

responsible for the content that they. publish but at the same time it's a. sword in that the the statute explicitly. allows them to moderate content now the. problem is that everyone that works at. the the these big tag social media firms. are like-minded individuals that want to. silence voices that descent to their. world view and that creates a a terrible. censorship problem and I would submit to. you the censorship that's going on today. is worse than at any point in human. history when King shut down a colonial.

printing press the world knew he had. done it and he was squelching one medium. of communication the written word but. when a big Tech social media oligarch. deemphasizes de platforms Shadow bands a. user it's not only the uh content. producers First Amendment rights that. are violated their voice that is. silenced but all the listeners as well. that may not even know they're being. denied access and the nature of the. censorship is so much more. multi-dimensional it's body language. it's imagery it's spok word it's a.

written word it's all it's it's all of. the above and so the censorship is more. dangerous than ever before I think we've. got to take a serious approach you know. Texas and Florida in 2021 both enacted. statutes that sought to uh retool the. content moderation formulas in law for. the big Tech social media platforms big. Tech sued that case went to the United. States Supreme Court and just in July. that decision came down it's called the. net Choice decision it's a really. fascinating opinion.

but what it said was. that the states weren't allowed to. dictate content because that the the the. uh the content moderation itself was. expressive and thus protected by the. First Amendment from government. censorship so in Missouri we've got a. new plan and I'm proud to announce you. know just a week or two ago we are going. to use our consumer protection authority. to to protect the consumers that are on. big Tech social media platforms and. encourage algorithmic uh Marketplace. competition to break up the algorithmic.

Monopoly why shouldn't users and. consumers of big Tech be a able to. select their own algorithms from. thirdparty vendors isn't that a better. experience no one would buy a name brand. truck if the company said well you can. only use Brand X tires on that truck so. we wouldn't tolerate that in the auto. Marketplace or any other Marketplace and. yet somehow we're tolerating it in the. big Tech Marketplace so by promulgating. this algorithmic Choice rule not only. will we break up the algorithm Monopoly. will protect consumers and reinforce the.

First Amendment right to free speech and. the free fair and Open Marketplace of. ideas where the competition of ideas. will produce the best results it'll. enhance the consumer experience because. you'll get to select which whichever. algorithm you want to maximize your. engagement in time uh on on the on the. product so break this down a little bit. more because this is something I I think. a lot of creators including myself have. dealt. with censorship and stuff stuff like. that for for a long time it's it can be.

debilitating for business it's and it's. demoralizing you know it's it's me and. Joe Rogan talked a little bit about this. and and he you know like when when. Google. demonetizes a an episode I mean that's. you know it's a big income stream for a. lot of creators and he says that that's. how they do it they they they kind of. force the creators to not talk about.

certain things and push them out of that. realm so you'll be able to tackle that I. believe so and again I think it's it. starts with breaking up that algorithmic. Monopoly uh there's got to be some you. know somebody has to curate the feeds. right curate the content that's got to. happen but why can't the consumers. determine who's curating that content. instead of just allowing Mark Zuckerberg. or nameless faceless uh you know. oligarchs at Big Tech who come from. Silicon Valley and share those values.

and may not share our values why would. we Outsource that responsibility to them. instead of as consumers doing that. ourselves or you know being able to shop. around in in a competitive Marketplace. for those decisions H I mean how exactly. will we do that because my friend and. attorney Tim parlor I've we've had a lot. of chats about this I'm like this is. ridiculous you know they they'll just. pull an episode and it just disappears. Into Thin Air and they won't even tell. you what's wrong with the episode they. w't they won't even tell you anything.

and um I I can get the demonetization I. guess but I mean it pisses me off but. I'm always wondering like hey Tim do we. have a case here and he's like well not. really section 230 that's the problem. yeah so you so it would be amending the. section 230 law so it's it's a really. elegant approach we don't have to deal. with Section 230 at all Congress would. have to amend that and getting stuff.

through Congress has proven pretty. challenging and so uh we leave section. 230 of the CDA in place we get around. the the net Choice decision Again by. using consumer protection authority to. require big Tech social media platforms. of a certain size to allow when the. users first engage there'll be a screen. where you can select your own algorithm. you can select your own filter and as a. parent you know again I've got four. little kids that are just starting to. you know engage in screen time on on. different uh different mediums and so I.

might have the my you know my. 12-year-old this is the the the content. moderation I want for them to best. protect my kids as a second amendment. guy I want to see more gun content and. so I'm going to I'm going to select a uh. an algorithm that's going to promote 2A. content uh you know and so again it. protects the consumer it supports. Marketplace competition it gets around. section 230 of the CDA CDA leaves it in. place and it doesn't violate the First. Amendment rights of the big Tech social. media platform forms either so I see I.

see a lot of these class action lawsuits. going up and I'm always every time I see. one I'm like. Tim why are we jumping in on this. but so if they found any success in. suing those. companies yeah I think antitrust. litigation is really the best F of legal. Authority um you know the again it's. it's a an oligarchy almost a monopoly in. the sense that uh it the marketplace is. failing it's not functioning it's not a.

competitive Marketplace uh the startup. costs are so great that these oligarchs. control everything and you've seen in. the past where they will buy up uh. competitors to avoid having to change. that that Marketplace or compete in that. Marketplace and so I think that the the. best line of attack there is antitrust. litigation uh that's something that has. other states and and Missour have. engaged in specific to Google but. there's another Fountain of legal. Authority that we're going to use in. Missouri and that's consumer protection. law and so a lot of people don't know.

what Attorneys General do you know we uh. first of all we have a criminal side of. the house where we support our local. prosecutors and prosecute the bad guys. catch cops catch them we help lock them. up and then we do Criminal Appeals we. support and defend the States's. conviction on appeal to make sure the. bad guys stay locked up then we have a. civil side of the house as well we. defend the state agencies when they get. sued and our consumer protection. division is charged with ensuring that. Missouri consumers aren't defrauded or. victims of predatory business practices.

and so uh that Authority again is a is a. unique line uh to to go after this issue. and we've done that by sending subpoenas. to Big Tech social media platforms when. we have reason to believe that they are. um lying to Consumers uh and so you know. at the end of the day big Tech uh social. media platforms have First Amendment. rights of their own but they don't have. the right to lie to Consumers and that's. where State AGS can come in with. Consumer Protection Law so when you do. these when you create these efforts do.

you do you get all these other attorney. generals to kind of join the charge with. you yeah so much is done in consultation. with my colleagues uh you know typically. the Republicans band together and the. Democrats band together and I've got. great working relationships with with my. colleagues across the country but the. what's weird is that every State's laws. are different and that's why Missouri. has been a leader on so many issues. because Missouri is really uniqu. positioned if you think about just.

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Freedom by limiting the role of. government in everyday life blue States. take the opposite approach I mean. Leticia James in New York has every. weapon in the the her Arsenal that her. General Assembly can give her to mess. with people's lives to prosecute. president Trump prosecute uh you know. take take him to court in in in civil. law to try to seize his assets and. undervalue those assets and so you know. blue states have maximized their ability. to interfere with people's lives while. red states have taken the opposite. approach Missouri's uniquely position. because we were so recently a blue state.

so it's like a retreating Army has left. the battlefield and dropped their. weapons and we're picking them up and. learning how to use them against them. wow who who are your best friends come. on who's always who's what states are. always leading the charge with yeah. Brena bird and Iowa is a good friend Liz. Merl down in Louisiana Lyn Fitch in. Mississippi is a good friend of mine um. you know so many of them what about. Tennessee yeah John scmed is great uh. and in fact I I I called him this. morning to let him know I in his home.

state uh he's great and John and I have. a couple mutual friends the you know. what's unique is that the way in which. Attorneys General are put into office. changes from state to state so obviously. at the federal level the Attorney. General is just a cabinet official. appointed by the president confirmed by. the United States Senate in the. Progressive Era you know usually in. about 1900 to. 1930 the stat started breaking those out. and by Constitutional Amendment at the. state level making the Attorney General.

its own independently elected. constitutional officer um in Tennessee. your attorney general selected by your. state supreme court so different states. do it differently and and so uh and. again you you it's hard to compare. because different states have different. laws and different states select their. Attorneys General differently okay but. in Missouri you know by Constitution I'm. My Own officer and I'm elected by the. the people the only reason I was. appointed initially was because my. predecessor and friend Eric Schmidt was. elected to the United States Senate and.

it created a vacancy in the middle of a. term so our governor appointed me U and. it was I just happened to be at the. right place at the right time you know I. didn't uh and and it's also liberating. I'm not a politician don't like politics. don't want to be a politician I want to. do the work I want to be the Attorney. General uh and I realize you got to be a. politician and do it but uh it's. liberating because when you're not a. politician you're not beholden to. interests that might sty audacity or uh. you know uh bold decisive transformative.

action well you were a damn good pick. back to back to the big Tech Social. Media stuff I mean this Tik Tok ban what. I'm just curious. what the narrative or whatever it seemed. to have changed over the years. and I don't know what I think about Tik. Tok we have a massive Tik Tok presence. but I mean it seems. like whenever I bring my intelligence. friends on here and then we talk about.

it it it is a it's a spy apparatus for. China and so I'm just I'm just curious. what are your thoughts on that I thought. it was from a legal perspective it was. really fascinating that Congress passed. that divestment bill basically saying. that the owner of Tik Tok had to sell it. under certain conditions by a certain. time and Congress and the president. Congress and passing the bill the. president and signing the bill really. made a national security decision you. know to comport with exactly what you're.

saying that this as long as it's a. Chinese asset they're Gathering data and. spying on us without our consent and. that's. dangerous um the owner of Tik Tock. challenged the constitutionality of that. divestment bill on the eve of the. deadline by which he had to sell the. asset and went all the way to the United. States Supreme Court and basically. argued the same as in the net Choice. decision that was handed down this. summer saying look I got a First. Amendment right to speak on this. platform as the owner of this platform.

and the court said no no no no you have. a First Amendment right to speak but the. people's elected representatives can. make a a foreign policy decision a. national security decision and prevent. you from speaking on this Outlet in. other words the government can't stop me. from sending an email but the. corporation can certainly tell me I. can't use this email account and so it's. a really unique uh legal decision an. legal landscape in which that that was. done I am concerned clearly about. Chinese infiltration into our culture.

and into uh big Tech social media. companies like Tik Tock and so I think. that uh again I think Congress made a. sound decision and now president Trump's. you know doing his best to to navigate. that that and I'm confident in his. ability to produce a good outcome I mean. we have a leader back in the White House. that understands that you can't show. weakness on the playground if you show. weakness the bullies will just keep. bullying you and president Trump's not. going to let that happen I mean it seems. like China.

is using our own our own laws against us. not just with Tik top but but buying. Farmland putting putting power plants. next to military bases I mean the list. goes on but I mean you seem to be pretty. privious with this well and shaa you. know just this week uh on Monday my. office went to trial in the first ever. lawsuit of kind in a lawsuit against the.

Chinese communist government for the. harm they inflicted on missourians. during the covid-19 pandemic and I think. we're going to get a 25 billion with the. B dollar judgment against the Chinese. communist government no other state has. has prosecuted a case like this and we. filed it uh the trial court initially. dismissed it and we took it up to the we. appealed it to the eight Circuit Court. of Appeals got the case reinstated and. we're just in trial this last Monday uh. we've got a little bit of supplemental. briefing to do but I think we'll be. submitting a proposed judgment that we.

will likely the judge will sign and then. we'll be it'll be up to us to execute. that judgment against the Chinese. government but no we're again Missouri. leading the way on this issue the. missourians are still demanding Justice. for the harms of the co9 pandemic and so. uh and look people say oh you know. Bailey's crackpot legal theories no no. no no this is the foreign Sovereign. immunities act it was a statute passed. by the people's elector Representatives. in Congress in.

1976 that specifically creates a method. by which states can sue foreign entities. for damages and that's what we've used. and I think we'll be successful man. that's amazing so when you sue the. federal government or the or the Chinese. Communist party I mean this is a. question I have because I've seen you. suit a lot and um where does so if you. get if you win that case and you get 20. the state of Missouri gets $25 billion. what where do that money go what's it.

allocated to well the first thing and. again this is all part of the foreign. Sovereign immunities act it creates a. method by which you can execute a. judgment against a foreign entity we've. got to identify and we are working to. identify assets that the Chinese. communist government owns in Missouri. and elsewhere and we will uh work with. the Marshall service to seize those. assets they they will be sold and that. money will be uh returned to the people. of state of Missouri and it'll have to. be appropriated by The People's elected. representatives in our general assembly. and I keep I keep. the people's elected representatives.

because it's a rule of law issue for me. you know the the the Democratic process. means something it's not uh we we don't. live in a totalitarian dictatorship. unlike in China uh you know here the way. we get things done is that the the. people. elect representatives who then pass laws. and in the executive branch we then. enforce those laws and so I I realize. I'm being repetitive using that term but. it's important for me to emphasize that. point because I want fol folks to. understand that uh you know that they've.

had a voice in this process that has led. us to this point okay so whether it's. the federal government whether it's the. Chinese Communist Party whether it's big. TCH whoever it is the money gets. allocated to the people that's amazing. I'm sure Missouri could use another 25. billion yeah I mean we we've always got. roads that are deteriorating or you know. our law enforcement needs additional. assets and resources to shore up our. criminal justice system and so uh I'm I. look forward to continuing to to push.

that case forward to its eventual uh. success I hope it happens I hope it. happens last thing real quick before we. get started here everybody gets a gift. man so our uh vigilance Elite Gummy. Bears full of poison toxic dyes lots of. sugar but they taste good they're made. here in the USA they're actually made in. Michigan so love it appreciate everybody. gets one of those except the doctor I. don't give the doctors those they're.

always yeah they don't like food D I. don't either but those are I like gummy. be I will make an exception for those. but um so let's move in I want to move. into your life story yeah so where did. you grow up grew up in Columbia Missouri. it's a college town right there in. Central Missouri you know at the time uh. in the early 90s that I was a kid uh it. was a town of about 50 60,000 people. it's now grown to you know north of. 100,000 people but at the time it it was. a you know medium-sized Town it had a.

small town feel I we saw a newspaper boy. delivered newspapers at the end of the. day Milkman deliver milk in the mornings. uh but we had a lot of cultural. influence because the the state's. Flagship university University of. Missouri is there in Colombia so a lot. of cultural experiences that other. smaller towns maybe wouldn't get exposed. to but uh a great place to grow up and. uh you know I have a brother a younger. brother who's also now an attorney and. uh my mom and dad us to love the United. States of America and love our state and.

you know to be be patriotic and to why. we have a constitution and that the. rights in the Constitution come from God. not man the Constitution is intended to. protect us from the government the. government's supposed to protect our. rights you know so those are. foundational principles that I grew up. with in Mid. Missouri what we're into as a kid buddy. downstairs who's on your staff says uh. you were you were basically born you. were a born Captain America.

that might be overselling it a bit uh. yeah you know I I was a a Boy Scout was. an eagle scout uh I enjoyed fishing. enjoyed hunting uh spent a lot of time. in the outdoors you know played. different sports but uh in high school. got really into high school debate and. so was on the debate team in high school. and uh you know I grew up and got a. little Rowdy in high school maybe and. you know my mom I wanted to join the. military and I just really what do you. mean rowdy well you know just uh you're. partyer I grew up in Missouri there's.

not a whole lot to do there's not a. whole lot to do as a you know a youth. yeah. um you know your parents tell you be. home at this time and maybe I'm 10. minutes late the first weekend and then. 20 minutes late the next weekend until. uh you know getting getting yelled at at. the front door there but you. know at the end of the day I wanted to. join the military my my mom was like. yeah that's probably a good idea you. know you need a little more growing up. we're and this will be a good. Institution. to instill some discipline um but she.

wanted me go go to college as well so. she really motivated me to sign up for. an army RC scholarship in 1999 when I. graduated high school and I remember I. was about to sign the contract with the. Army and uh the ma there was a major. there who was the recruitment officer. for RTC and I I looked at and said now. I'm going to get to go to law school. before I go into the army as a second. Lieutenant yeah we do deferments all the. time won't be a problem year later you. know two years later 911 happens and I. really changed plans at that point uh.

realized that as much as I wanted to be. a Jag attorney uh and wanted to to. practice law in the Army there was a war. on and uh again just my upbringing and. kind of my my patriotism uh when you're. graduating from army rltc you list your. you know the different branches in the. army that you're interested in and so I. put armor tanks number one infantry. number two I think you know field. artillery engineer number three and four. so I really wanted to do a combat arms. branch and uh ended up getting my first.

choice armor so October of 2004 I. reported to Fort Knox Kentucky for armor. officer basic course the tank school and. was trained on the M1 Abrams main battle. tank and uh graduated in that uh late uh. late winter early spring in 2005. reported my duty Station at Fort Carson. Colorado and uh asked to be sent to Iraq. my I was assigned to the third armored. Cavalry Regiment which is the last heavy.

armed Cavalry Regiment in the Army and. they had just deployed to uh Nineveh. Province Iraq and so I asked to be. deployed they I was you know they sent. me over to Iraq and standby moving too. fast where were you when 911 happened. what were you doing I was in college I. was a a a college kid and actually my my. buddy James who's here with me today. that you met uh he and I were roommates. in college at missou and I remember his. mom called and uh told him that the. plane had crashed in the World Trade.

Center and he needed to turn on TV so he. came down to my room and we flipped on. the the TV and we watched as the second. plane hit the the the other Tower and. watch that live and you know at the time. I I'm sure this experience is shared by. so many that it's like well what is. happening we don't know what's happening. but we know this is intentional and uh. very quickly you know watched President. Bush articulate um that we were at war. with a terrorist organization that was. intent on destroying innocent American. life and that.

uh I was angry about that MH and wanted. to avenge the people who had been killed. you wanted to go to war wanted to go to. war why tanks you know there was I. always just grew up admiring George. Patton uh and mounted Warfare you know. that it just uh something that had. fascinated me and so uh yeah that's just. uh where I ended up all right so let's. move to Iraq yeah you get Iraq yeah what.

what was your experience what was it. like when you got on the ground there so. I fell in as a leader yeah I'm brand new. second lieutenant and I fell in on and. in the armored Cavalry it's it's called. a troop not a company same size element. but my troop was deployed at a small. troop siiz company-sized Ford operating. base in baj Iraq up in Northwestern Iraq. and so it's just 180 it was all male 180. American soldiers we had a a battalion.

of Iraqi Army there with us on the. separate part of that that fob we were. living in tents uh you know we had the. old uh Vietnam era shower tents where. you you you maybe take a you know 30. second shower once a week um but we. secured the small base we were on did. Patrols in the town in the small town of. baj uh we screened the Syrian border uh. and then we trained the Iraqi Army Iraqi. police Iraqi border patrol and I. actually was an armored Cavalry Scout. platoon leader so in the in the calave.

you have one platoon of Tanks one. platoon of Bradley another platoon of. Tanks another platoon of Bradley. headquarters maintenance and a section. of mortars as well and usually the. second Lieutenant gets the tank platoon. because a tank platoon is only four. vehicles 16 soldiers you just came from. Fort Knox where you're trained on that. that platform uh but they put me as a. brand new second Lieutenant as a platoon. leader of a scout platoon so I had six. Bradley Fighting vehicles the military. table of organization equipment calls.

for 30 soldiers you know Staffing levels. are a bit fluid but uh so it's a larger. uh larger platoon and a different weapon. system than I had trained on I I'd never. ridden in a Bradley and then you know. all of a sudden I'm a platoon leader but. trained on the the 25mm uh main gun. there on the the Bradley and. uh you know the the unique part about. what we were doing when we were doing. cordon and search operations is that. those tanks would move into neighborhood. and form the outer cordon and then we. would move the Bradley's in and so I.

spent as much time on the ground in a. stack with my guys kicking IND doors and. searching houses and setting up traffic. control points as I did in the turret. directing all of that what what year did. you get there I was there 05 to 06 oh so. we were there together yeah that's when. I was there we did a bunch of work with. Brad we used Bradley's as an insertion. platform a lot of times to uh conduct. sniper operations do you see a lot of. combat or so my platoon was a hot time. yeah yeah we and we actually were. selected to participate in operation.

restore rights and. talera um where's that it's it up there. in the Nineveh Province it's a you know. one of these ancient I think it's in the. one of the books of kings in the Bible. it's referred to as Tasser so it's one. of these ancient biblical cities but it. had been completely overrun by. insurgents they had shot down a Kyla. helicopter actually one of my best. friends from college had been killed. there uh a few months before I got there. and he was kind of a mentor to me and. and had been trained on tanks graduated. before me trained on tanks had deployed.

and it was in a striker vehicle that was. struck by an IED and it it killed him. and the the rest of the crew in the. vehicle and so I ended up as part of the. offensive operation to retake that that. town and got to work with some seals who. were there as well uh you know what team. you know I it escapes me it'll it'll. it'll come back to me later but uh those. guys were fantastic I mean that we had. there was a sniper a Insurgent sniper. who I mean bad dude and uh SEAL Sniper.

team came in and really helped mitigate. uh you know running counter sniper. operations certainly felt a lot safer on. the ground kicking in the doors and. doing the couron and search operations. knowing that we had that uh that cover. so where where does an. officer where are you placed in the in. the formation of a Bradley unit so you. the the turret of the Bradley holds two. individuals and so the the vehicle. commander of which the second Lieutenant.

is One Rides in the turret in the. Commander's hatch of the vehicle and. then You' got a gunner next to you you. got a driver that's in a SE separate. compartment kind of in the front slope. of the vehicle then you as you know. you've got that crew compartment in the. back that can hold. six8 12 if you have to uh Dismounts man. they took some they took some nasties I. remember hearing I wasn't part of any of. that but I remember hearing Bradley's. getting struck by s and the door. wouldn't open up in the back and guys.

burn alive in their. yeah ID strikes would split the the back. of the vehicle and you know the first. day one of the first days I was in tfar. on this operation we were doing some uh. battle Handover with a unit and my the. The Troop Commander rides in a M1 Abrams. tank and we were in a column and his. tank was right in front of me and the. insurgents destroyed the tank I mean it. was a catastrophic kill on a tank and. you you're up against an Insurgent force. that can take out a 72 73 ton vehicle I.

mean really quickly that kind of early. 20s sense of invincibility evaporates uh. when you you could you see that the. insurgents have that those capabilities. and you realize okay if they can take. out a 70 ton vehicle they can take out a. 32 ton vehicle that I'm in in the. Bradley and so it really uh set the tone. any casualties uh not in that ID strike. and in fact my platoon did not suffer. any casualties we lost some of the Iraqi. soldiers that we were with actually uh. to sniper fire uh before the the seal.

counter sniper team uh started got there. and was was helping us out but uh. blessed to be able to bring my soldiers. home after that deployment you know that. that operation really only lasted couple. weeks a month that we were there in tfar. and then we were back in our small town. of baj on our small fob uh to secure the. the town for the national constitutional. referendum any engagements in Bradley. yeah yeah I got to use the 25 mm a few.

times uh. I you know the you can only shoot the. tank can shoot multiple weapon systems. at a time but the Bradley you can only. really shoot the uh 25mm it's so the. weapon systems on the Bradley you've got. a 25mm chain gun that can shoot either. armor piercing or high explosive rounds. you have a coax mounted uh 240 that's a. 762 MH uh machine gun but then you've. also got two tube launched optically. wire added missiles and I never got to. shoot the toes always wanted to shoot.

the toe missile but uh there was an. engagement where my Gunner had. identified the an ID trigger man and was. engaging with uh the 25 mimer and I was. actually I opened up the plum chamber. door that you used to to fix a jam or uh. load more ammunition in the 240 and was. manually firing the 240 just to you were. yeah yeah just to maximize how many how. much lead we were putting down range so. uh did you get them yeah I think so I. think so yeah he uh he had a bad day.

good good nice. nice how many deployments did you. do did two uh the first one you know I. got there a little late and so I stayed. behind in Kuwait at the Kuwaiti Naval. Base to help clean all the vehicles and. ship them home uh and then got home and. they moved my unit from Fort Carson. Colorado to Fort Hood Texas so and I was. the only officer that moved with my. troops I signed for all the equipment U. loaded everything up and moved it to.

forood Texas we drew new equipment was. Drew all new soldiers we trained for. about a year and uh and then went back. to Iraq's on a second deployment in that. year you know we uh we did an an NTC. rotation at Fort irban California uh we. spent I mean we did Gunnery we did I. mean we spent 200 days of that year in. the field uh and so it was a you know. expedited timeline to refit rearm.

retrain and get right back over as part. of the Surge and so second deployment we. were at Key West just south of mosul um. and I was an EXO and then a a troop. Commander for a little while and uh we. were there for 15 months 455 days so. that second deployment was a long one. and it as you know like the the the. mission had changed significantly from. being actually on the boots on the. ground with the Iraq he training them. but also conducting missions ourselves.

you know the conventional forces by. 070809 the the role was so much more. limited at least where I was at at Key. West anything significant during that. deployment or you know just the the. length oh my gosh it was a long one uh. we we were there really more in a. support role for for the Iraqis but you. know did you guys go into mou at all. that was just a constant yeah yeah that. was yeah that's and I duration yeah even. after we pulled out and it was just.

agency and a couple of soft teams there. I mean it was mou was crazy yeah yeah it. did you get any time inside I didn't get. I did not go to mosul no we had some of. our sister units were up there some uh. one of the other um one of the other. elements of the the regiment was up. there but uh my we were we were at Key. West and we really we did some work you. know push out some other smaller fobs. just to try to add some stability so.

that as the insurgents were being forced. out of mosul that you know that we'. catch him there would be a net to kind. of catch that uh but at the end of the. day you know much more of a support role. at that point in the in the oif Cycles. yeah yeah definitely changed a lot with. the Obama. Administration why did you leave the. Army I wanted to go to law school uh and. so when I came home from the first. deployment they lined us all up I I've.

been on the ground for like 48 hours and. they lined everybody up by Rank and said. okay you're going to go meet with an HR. representative from the Pentagon to. determine what your future is going to. look like in the military and I sat down. with a an individual and and told them. you know wait in line sat down with an. individual and as you know you you come. home from a deployment and you're amped. up and kind of the the problems of the. civilian world and the the the you know. the konus world are a little bit muted M. and so I was you know pretty pretty.

charged up and was like hey send me. anywhere on Earth I'll go to Korea I'll. go back to Iraq go to Afghanistan put me. on a mid team or a bit team you know put. do do whatever you want but what's a mid. team or a bit team so those were. transition teams they were kind of. cobbled together uh teams of different. Moss's that were there solely for. training. in you know being inserted into Iraqi. units andain in the Iraqis or a Afghan. and so it was just a a different.

different than being in a line unit like. I had been in in the armored Cavalry but. I was like Hey s you know send me. anywhere on Earth I want to be a Jag. attorney and the Army has this fully. funded legal education program that pays. for your law school and you get to come. you go to law school then you come back. into the army as a Jag attorney but. there's a window of time uh that you. have to apply for it and it cuts off and. I was like if you got if you send me to. for Hood Texas. I'm essentially stop- lost and I it will.

prevent me from being able to. participate in the flep program and. they're like yeah we don't care we're. sending you to Texas so I was not going. to be able a career as a army Jag was. not really an option for me and but I. knew I wanted to go to law school and so. uh got out of the army after I got home. from the second deployment and you know. growing up my grandfather had been a law. enforcement officer and as a little kid. he used to take me to court with him to. watch him testify and so I just kind of. grew up thinking working with cops to. lock bad guys up in court was one of the.

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decision and did that you know for a. little while until I could get into law. school went back to University of. Missouri in Columbia for law school and. was there for three years and really you. know wanted to tailor my experience to. getting out and becoming a prosecuting. attorney based on my kind of experience. you know growing up in court with my. grandpa what was it like for you going. to going back to University of Missouri. is a decorated combat veteran it's an.

experience you know you uh I was 30 when. I started law school which is a. different age range than kind of the the. more traditional student and again you. know like the uh the problems of. everyday life are very muted uh after. you come home from a deployment and so. you know you've. got a younger generation who is. convinced they they know a lot about the. world and uh it's just a little bit you.

you bring kind of an older more. experienced perspective to things one of. my law professors was Josh Holly who's. now a United States Senator former. Attorney General of the state of. Missouri and now a United States Senator. so I was trained by the best at missou. off by Professor Josh Oly and grateful. to him did you deal with any did you. have a tough time transitioning from. combat to civilian life you know it it. was Challenge and again you expect. things to move at a certain pace and.

just the way you as a leader in the Army. and you know similar experience the way. you talk to your soldiers is just very. different than the way civilians. communicate with one another and so. getting getting used to kind of the pace. at which things move and the uh the the. way in which you communicate with people. to achieve an objective and how you. motivate them uh it's very different. between the military and the civili. civilian world so that that's always an. adjustment certainly I was my experience.

any any any problems with I mean look a. lot of guys struggle with booze. addiction yeah you know they get on. zolof they get on benzo the va's. notorious for handing that out when. did you have did you have to overcome. any of that you know I'm thankful I. didn't uh and I my heart goes out to the. the the men women who do because I know. they you know. they're they gave up something to serve. a higher purpose and are now still. paying for the the consequences and that.

you know and that's uh that hurts I I. did not have that experience I'm. grateful to you know so before we move. into your your career as a prosecuting. attorney what since we're on the topic I. wanted to bring this up later but I mean. psychedelics. are doing Wonders on guys coming home. from from combat 20 you know the longest. war we've ever been in 20 plus years and. uh I'm one of those experiencers uh I.

did an ibig gain. treatment it'll be three years this. Valentine's Day and I kicked booze it. just totally transformed my life all in. positive ways and so you know being the. man that you are today you have the. ability to make tremendous difference uh. in the state in the in in the country I. mean what are your thoughts on. psychedelic therapy I think it's. absolutely appropriate that uh different.

options be made available and that. everyone be able to make their own. decisions about which option for. treatment best suits their needs and. produces the best results and I've seen. Bill's move in the Missouri general. assembly last session and I believe will. be reintroduced and move again this. session to accomplish exactly that um I. you know you talk about the VA. and I think the VA has. let Warriors down mhm and there have. been too many warriors that have not. received the treatment they are owed.

because of bureaucracy and bad decision. making and apathy and we owe uh those. who have served in the global war on. terror and any other conflict we those. who have served we owe them more and uh. VA I'm again I'm encouraged that. President Trump has put a renewed. emphasis on that and I'm I'm hopeful. that they will. make available a spectrum of of.

different treatment options to folks so. that again people can make good. individual decisions for themselves is. that something you could help lead the. charge on yeah absolutely look. uh we need more veterans in public. office I think uh because of the. perspective and because of kind of the. uh the ability to make decisions under. the rigors of the situations we've been. in and so being a leading voice on this. and many other different issues uh the. more veterans we get in public office.

the better off we're going to be and the. more we can have these voices heard and. the more we can lead on issues like this. yeah is that something that's on your. radar that you think you'll participate. in yeah absolutely uh absolutely how. would you do it well you know again. separation of powers matters to me and. our general assembly enacts statutes and. we as the Attorney General then enforce. the statutes that are passed and so. helping with technical advice or. leadership advice as bills are moving.

through the legislative process uh is. one. way you think you'll get loud about it. at. all I get loud about most things. uh right on well so let's move into your. career as a prosecuting. attorney yep yep so uh in law. school you know there's a an academic. component but there's also a practical. compon opponent and I did what I needed.

to do on the academic side but I was. really focused on the Practical. component because I graduated tank. school and then months later were was a. platoon leader in Iraq and I remember I. remember at tank school you know you've. got a bunch of recent College grads or. second lieutenants were kind of smoking. and joking and one of the ncos came up. and was like Hey guys y'all aren't. taking this training seriously and you. know there's nothing I can do or say. it's going to motivate you but just know. like you're going to be in a different. world in a month and soldiers lives. going to be on the line so you guys you.

think about that while you're sitting. here smoking and joking it really caught. our attention and you know that's one of. those grab you grab you by the nose and. kick you in the rear end kind of moments. and um so I wanted to be able to walk. out of Law School combat ready ready to. go try a case to a jury on day one so I. really focused on internships and. practical experience I worked defending. the state's convictions on appeal at the. as an intern at the Missouri attorney. general's off office so pellet law which. is a unique perspective because um most.

trial attorneys don't want to write. appeals because their courtroom jockey. not deep thinking Appel attorneys uh not. that they couldn't that's just their. preference but when you're doing appeals. you're reading trial transcripts and so. you learn to see your voice in written. word on black and white in black and. white black ink on white paper and so. you learn how to speak in such a way to. develop a record to protect a conviction. on appeal and you see a lot of mistakes. you see what works you see what doesn't. work you see how people are describing.

things uh you see how evidence is. adduced so that was a really great. experience to learn the law learn. courtroom skills by reading briefs and. appeals I interned at several different. County Prosecutors offices and got real. practical experience and so it was cool. graduated went to work at the Missouri. attorney general's office and I spent. about two years there and I defended the. state's execution methodology. uh in federal court uh so the uh death.

row inmates had filed an eth amendment. challenge under section 42 USC 1983 the. Civil federal civil rights statute. claiming that Missouri's method of. execution lethal chemical was cruel and. unusual and so I def you know the Ink's. still out on my bar card I'm in federal. court defending the state's execution. methodology so the state could continue. to carry out the ultimate punishment um. did special prosecution around the state. did it did that hold up is there still. executions in Missouri yep absolutely uh.

absolutely we we won that suit and uh we. switched from a three drug protocol to a. single drug protocol and have. successfully defended that in court and. the state uh the ultimate punishment in. the state of Missouri is still on the. books for prosecutors to use and we'll. defend it at the AG's office what kind. of crimes constitute a a death sentence. uh so that that is uh murder in the. first degree uh you know and typically. the punishment is either the ultimate.

punishment or it's life without parole. how many people a year does Missouri. execute so we have it changes year by. year and again it's it's hard. to it's hard to find to Def find that. data point M because at the time that. the state carries out an execution we're. usually. 10 15 20 30 or more years from when the. conviction was obtained that long it.

takes a long time did you say 10 to 30. years yeah absolutely the offender is. entitled to a direct appeal uh motion. for postconviction Relief appeal for. most motion for postconviction Relief uh. State habus Corpus Federal habius Corpus. and so all those different appellant. remedies have to be exhausted before the. state supreme court will issue uh a. warrant War to carry out the. execution I.

mean how I mean I'm for the death. penalty the thing. that I mean how can you be sure though. that they're. guilty you know. I I think that Winston Churchill you. know described democracy as the worst. system on earth except for all the other. ones you know something to that effect. I'm probably butchering the quote but it. I look at our trial by jury system the. same way uh you know the founding. fathers had an experience in colonial.

America and English common law and. English jurist Prudence that then they. codified into the United States. Constitution and the right to trial by. jury is one of the most sacred rights we. have and you know it's not the right to. serve on a jury used to be a political. right uh and. so you just you know there are there's. ample do process safeguards in place and. most of the time the juries get it right.

you know there most of the times the. juries get it right and we trust jurors. to make sound decisions in the jury box. just like we trust voters to make sound. decisions at The Ballot Box and when you. have a fair process you produce good. outcomes now I I stand by the. proposition that I would rather a 100. guilty men go free than one innocent man. be punished uh but the the again our. system is design designed with ample. safeguards in place to protect due.

process and protect the rights Tri by. jury and to ensure good outcomes I mean. how do we how is the jury selected on. something like that so because we've all. heard the stories about you know the. jury gets packed with I mean we saw with. the Eddie Gallagher case yeah you know. uh Tim talks a lot about that you know. they kind of pack the jury yeah they so. how how can you be how is the jury. selected and how can you be sure that. they don't have their own biases well. again you're counting.

on it's called a v panel the V you're. you're those individuals summoned for. jur you're counting on them answering. the questions that the attorneys are. asking them and the judges asking them. that they're answering those honestly um. and you have to sometimes ask multiple. questions multip multiple different ways. to shake things loose and if if there's. any doubt then that juror gets struck. for cause or uh you know the judge is. going to dismiss them. in death penalty cases it's a bifurcated. trial so there's really two trials.

number one is the tri the the first. trial is did the bad guy do it did the. defendant commit the crime Beyond a. reasonable doubt the state has to prove. each element of the offense Beyond a. reasonable doubt that's the highest. burden of proof in American or English. jurist Prudence then the second trial if. you get the guilt if yes he did it. Beyond a reasonable doubt now you move. to the second trial and the second trial. poses the. question do the aggravating.

circumstances outweigh any mitigating. mitigating circumstances Beyond A. Reasonable Doubt thereby. justifying uh imposition of the ultimate. punishment okay and so there's. statutorily. enumerated aggravating and mitigating. circumstances that the jury gets to. weigh to determine whether or not the. death penalty actually appropriate like. was the the commission of the crime vile. and wanton uh did you know was the body. mutilated is there a pattern of like.

several murders that led us to this. point U you know how what are the circum. now the and then the defense attorneys. get to put on their own mitigating. evidence like okay well the kid came. from a terrible childhood where he was. abused and he has this mental health. disorder you know again there are all. these safeguards in place um and then. after to the extent the jury finds. Beyond a reasonable doubt that the. aggravating circumstances outweigh the. mitigating circumstances and the judge. imposes the ultimate punishment based on. what the jury has brought back the.

Missouri Supreme Court conducts its own. proportionality review and that's unique. to Capital cases that doesn't happen in. other cases like if I just commit an. armed robbery and I'm sentenced to 15. years in Missouri Department of. Corrections the Supreme Court's not. going to do an independent. proportionality review my case may never. end up in front front of the Missouri. Supreme Court but in capital cases they. do and so the the court the the seven. judges of the Missouri Supreme Court are. going to weigh everything again and. determine like does is the death penalty. really Justified here or are we just.

acting out of anger because something. terrible happened have you prosecuted. anybody that wound up on death row and. that was executed so I have not. personally prosecuted at the trial court. level but I have worked uh to defend the. state's imposition of the death penalty. for individual cases on in habus appeals. so what does that mean so it appell at. laws is unique um so there's a direct. appeal that says in your direct appeal. if you're the the offender and you're.

convicted you're in the direct appeal. you're saying something wrong a mistake. was made in the the trial itself like. the judge let in hearsay evidence or uh. the judge denied overruled an objection. he shouldn't have the jury instructions. are wrong after that you've got a. collateral attack on the conviction a. separate line of of appeal and it starts. as a motion for postconviction Relief. and then it moves over to cius but those. collateral attacks are really saying. there's a constitutional or statutory.

defect in the in the conviction so it's. something that outside of the the trial. itself went wrong so like for instance. one of the most common claims is uh in. 1985 the United States Supreme Court. handed down this decision in Strickland. V Washington and said that the sixth. amendment guarantee of the right to. Council in criminal proceedings includes. the right to effective assistance of. counsel so you get a right to an. attorney and that con that that attorney. has to be constitutionally.

effective so offenders will often raise. claims that hey my attorney didn't. object because he's constitutionally. defective this was ineffective. assistance counsel thus the my. conviction has a constitutional flaw and. the case should be remanded for a new. trial and so that's those are the. usually the types of claims you see in. in motion for postc conviction relief. proceedings and hadous proceedings okay. so there there are. people on death row or that have been. executed that you've been a part of the. case yeah in fact uh one of the.

offenders that I worked on that case uh. when I was an Assistant Attorney General. he was then executed my first day on the. job in January of 2023 when I was sworn. in as the attorney general what did he. do murder uh killed his girlfriend and. he in fact this is the case the seminal. case in Missouri for adoption of What's. called the forfeiture by wrongdoing. doctrine that is an exception to not. only the rule against hear evidence but. the the requirement that criminal.

defendants be allowed to confront their. accusers in open court and it actually. stems from Sir Walter ry's case in. Elizabeth in England when Sir Walter. righ was accused of treason against the. crown of England and he shows up to. trial and the prosecutors have all these. sworn affidavits from people they had. been torturing in the Star Chamber in. the Tower of London and Sir Walter Ry. said no no no I get to look my accusers. in the eye and question them and and the. jury then gets to see how they respond. to my question to determine whether or.

not they're being truthful or not and. that's where we get the that's why the. founders put the Sixth Amendment right. to confrontation the confrontation. clause in the United States. Constitution there's an exception though. you have a right to confront the. witnesses unless you procure through. wrongdoing that witness's unavailability. you can't go shoot the witness against. you and then complain that they didn't. show up and you don't get to. cross-examine them and in this instance. the uh the defendant the offender had uh. murdered his girlfriend and her.

statements were allowed to come in at. trial uh because he had threatened her. in the past and and abused her in the. past and ultimately murdered her and. that that wrongdoing procured her. unavailability at trial wow wow so it's. an interesting Doctrine and it a. bleading case at the United States. Supreme Court that I can think of is gsv. California where I think Justice. Clarence Thomas really articulates the. the historical justification for that. that Doctrine and when I later after I. left the prosecutor's office and ended.

up working for the Missouri governor as. part of the governor's crime package we. codified a statutory procedure by which. prosecutors could use this Doctrine it. was all based on my work in this on this. case and then on the back end as. attorney general uh that's the day the. state uh ended up executing that. individual interesting how many people. did you been a part of sen in the death. row you know as an Assistant Attorney. General at that time in the States. history there was about an execution a. month for a year and we only missed you.

know there there was there were several. we there were a few that the court court. stayed and those didn't move forward. they don't happen with as much frequency. now and going back to your original. question which is like how many happen a. year Well. it the the Missouri Supreme Court won't. issue the execution warrants as quickly. anymore just because it it is very. taxing on the systems and the people. involved in those systems and so uh and. again the court wants to give the. offender ample time to exhaust all.

pellet remedies so that no mistakes are. made are you notified when these guys. are getting executed yeah does that. bother you at all no I'm I'm a proponent. of the death penalty yeah I think that. uh there are people who are evil enough. and uh unrepentant enough that have. committed exceedingly heinous acts that. have punched their ticket. let's move on so through your your.

journey as a prosecuting. attorney you adopted three three kids. yeah yeah how did that happen yeah. uh. so loved my job as an Assistant Attorney. General um it was very fast-paced I was. traveling all over the state not only. defending the state's execution protocol. uh but also doing Special prosecution. and civil committing sexually violent. Predators kind of the worst of the worst. sex offenders committing them to the.

Department of Mental Health for. treatment for the rest of their lives so. that they didn't reoffend and create new. victims do those guys get the death. penalty they don't but they ended up. they end up commit it's like they ended. up in Department of Mental Health for. treatment for the rest of their lives. they never they never that treatment. never ends why. why why aren't they why yeah yeah no I I. think that the laws need to be amended. to expand use of the death penalty for. other offenses because other off are. heinous enough and when you're pering on. kids man that that is uh that's the. worst the worst in my mind um I want.

Missouri to be the safest state in the. nation for children and you can see that. in so much of the work we've done since. I took off took office but love that job. love doing the work my I had married a. gal that I met in Texas when I was. stationed down there she was tired of me. being on the road every night and so uh. a friend of mine was elected prosecutor. in uh one of the counties in the circuit. where ID interned and I I always knew I. wanted to end up there and she offered. me a job uh in Warren County Missouri so.

my wife and I uh I left the AG's office. became an assistant prosecutor in Warren. County Missouri where's Warren County. what's the city uh warron is the city. the county seat it's right there on the. I70 Corridor between St Louis and. Columbia gotcha U just just west of St. Charles County so On The Fringe the St. Louis metropolitan area still a very. rural jurisdiction great place to raise. a family though man it's it we loved it. we settled in the southwest corner of. the county so Herman Missouri has really. been the closest town it's where we go. to church kids go to school but I worked.

at the courthouse in. Warrington and as an assistant. prosecutor in a rural jurisdiction you. end up having a couple different jobs in. order to make ends meet so as an. assistant prosecutor working with cops. to lock bad guys up supporting victim's. rights uh loved that job I was also the. attorney for the County Juvenile office. and so uh couple times a month I'd be in. court and all these kids in foster care. just killed me man like I remember there. was an instance where a a juvenile was. begging the court to terminate his. parents parental rights because he. wanted a home to go to for Christmas.

like there kids that don't have homes to. go to for Christmas so I talked to my. wife and we became licensed foster. parents under the laws of the state of. Missouri and uh ended up uh adopting a. sibling pair uh my oldest two kiddos and. we met them when they were three and two. and so I thought kids come to a potty. trained in talking I didn't know there. was I didn't know there was this whole. other side to it but uh um it you know. such a blessing uh for us to get to grow. our family like that and to get to adopt. two wonderful kiddos and I just love.

them to death and God put us together as. a family you know and I that's something. I we we talk about all the time that it. didn't matter where you came from or you. know the biology didn't matter this was. always God's plan for for us to be a. family and it's really cool um after we. had adopted them the Children's Division. then put a baby in our house who's now. my six-year-old and we adopted him as. well and uh so we went from no kids to. two kids overnight and then a third. pretty quickly and you know it's a. unique experience and so many foster.

parents across the United States of. America are going to understand this. reference but like when the Children's. Division shows up with a screaming. infant at 2 A.M you know you get dressed. and and you drive 30 minutes to the. nearest Walmart to buy a crib and. diapers and bottles and all the the. things you need for a baby that most. normal people just accumulate over a. 9month period And so you know going from. having two toddlers to then having a. baby and learning to do the baby stuff. you know you you learn on the Fly really. quickly but uh adopted our our you know.

adopted him and he's now our. six-year-old just love him to death and. again same same deal you know it's like. we were always supposed to be together. as a family um after that two years ago. my wife got pregnant and we've had a. biological son so I've got a 12 11 six. and 2-year-old so we're still doing the. diaper thing at home but uh got four. little ones and it's a you know soft. Tampa two cover zone defense at the bay. household. but I love being a dad man getting to be. a dad is the best thing that ever. happened to me and my wife and and kids.

and I have a lot of fun uh and we still. we live in Montgomery County Missouri. just just west of Warren County Herman's. still the closest town that's where we. go to church kids go to school I when. when do those conversations starts in. your family about adoption and how do. they. go you know the we have allowed that. children to really be the ones to want. to start that conversation and and.

it they're going to kill me for telling. this story but my oldest two the. Children's Division introduced us at a. Burger King so they think that kids come. they thought that kids come from Burger. King so after we had adopted them they. went down to Texas to visit my in-laws. Children's Division put this baby in our. house they come home from Texas walk in. the house see the baby there and say. well you went to Burger King without us. so. most recently when my wife was pregnant. we had some really interesting. conversations about where babies come.

from and what role Burger King may or. may not play in that process but um you. know we really let the kids kind of. drive when they're ready to have those. conversations and it's again constantly. promoting this idea that that we believe. which is that uh you know before we were. formed in the womb before they were. performed in the womb God had a plan for. us and it was always for us to be. together as a family and they're they're. Bailey I'm a Bailey you know that's. that's that's it so what I mean what is. the how old were they when they asked.

you know I'm trying to remember and it. it's it was. really my oldest two really got curious. about it when we were adopting our third. child because you know my wife and I. were talking about that and there's. always a little bit of anxiety because. you've got this legal proceeding that. has to happen and look they call. termination of parental rights you the.

kid there has to be a termination of. parental rights for the child to then be. available for adoption so it's the the. acronym is tpr and tpr is the death. penalty of civil law the worst thing. that can happen to in Criminal Court is. the ultimate punishment is imposed worst. thing that can ever happen to anybody in. civil court is your kids get taken away. from you and so those are those cases. are really tough I mean those it's tough. evidence it's tough on you got foster. parents that you've got biological. families you've got a guardian ad Liam. you got a judge it's got to make a tough. decision you got a juvenile officer you. got the Children's Division so you got. all these folks and there the really.

really tough decisions have to be made. evidence has to be adduced and it's. reviewed at so many different levels. because again you want to make sure that. the things are done the right way and. people's rights are are scrupulously. protected and uh but there's a lot of. anxiety for foster parents or adopted. families because it's like well is this. going to work is this going to go. through is the judge going to rule our. way what are we going to have to do I I. was familiar with the court process. having been in court but like my wife. wasn't and I my heart goes out to so. many Foster families who are going. through that court process for the first. time or adoptive families who are going.

through that court process for the first. time and it can be U intimidating and. vexing and uh so you but you know wife. and I are talking through and that you. know the kids overhear those. conversations and and uh so that sparked. some of that. conversation how what was the question. you know I'm trying to remember now I. and I can't recall for the life of me. exactly how the question was posed uh or. how the conversation was went but it was. like. well how did how did we become a family. you know where did we come from uh.

what's what's the history there you know. that's really the line of questions and. it's it's not a once and time. conversation you know I'm sure as my. kids get older they'll have additional. questions and um so it's it's kind of an. ongoing fluid conversation that's got to. be a whatever you're doing we have to. stop right now and have this. conversation yeah is that how I mean. yeah yeah I mean you're absolutely right. and and you know with. kids their timing is not.

always aligned with what's going on in. the house at that moment and when you've. got multiple kids it's like okay well I. got to get the food on the table I got. to get the bags packed for tomorrow I. got to get my stuff ready for tomorrow I. got to we got to get to soccer practice. we got to get to baseball there's stuff. going on and when the kids decide to to. when that bubbles up in their minds and. they want to have that conversation. you're right often times it's you got. the the the pot on the oven you know. boiling over because hey I need to focus. right now on on this serious topic of. conversation were you guys prepared for.

that I don't know that you can ever be. fully prepared for it you know it's. something we had certainly thought about. and talked through but. uh I guess time will tell if we did it. correctly or incorrectly I don't know if. there's a right answer you know yeah. yeah will there be I mean I don't know. the background of your kids and I'm sure. you probably don't want to get into it. on air uh before adoption unless you do. do you no I mean look I kids don't end. up in the Foster system by accident I.

you know speaking broadly it's just like. if a kiddo ends up in the Foster system. it's because something terrible happened. at home something absolutely terrible. and I remember going through the Foster. training and. and in my mind a kid would come out of. you would enter the foster system and. would end up in our home and it's like. you had parachuted into Disney World you. know Pizza. cool movies hanging out hugs stuffed. animals a warm bed at night protection.

safety all the things kids covet and. crave and need all humans need but to a. kiddo who's yanked out of their home. they may be living in a trailer with no. electricity and raw sewage on the floor. and a doped out parent passed out on on. the couch and the sheriff kicks in the. door and Yanks that kid out of there but. all they know is that was their home and. to the rest of it it's deplorable but to. a kid who that's all they've ever known. yeah that's that's their home and now. they're not there anymore so imagine if.

you know i' like to put in terms of like. if someone dropped me in Cambodia and I. don't speak the language and the the the. the culture and the way of life and the. smells and the way people talk it's all. different I mean that's got to you know. that I think that only touches the. surface of what it must be like for kids. to come into the Foster system so kind. of recalibrating thinking around that. and understanding that those kids you. know have been through trauma and uh the. but if kids end up in the Foster system. it's because something went terribly. wrong and we need to find loving homes. for those kids and look the ultimate.

goal of any juvenile case is hopefully. reunification with the biological family. there are instances in which that can't. happen because of again some terrible. circumstance and that's when you start. looking at termination of paral rides. and adoption but timing is really. critical we know that outcomes for kids. that stay in foster care too long uh are. are bad they end up in the uh juvenile. delinquency system they end up uh in the. criminal adult criminal system and so.

you you know kids need stability and. they need loving homes and that needs to. happen rapidly in the state of Missouri. really you're looking at the year mark. between you know about a 12-month period. between when a kid comes into foster. care and when the government agents that. are now in control and the court need to. make a decision to either reunify or. terminate parental rights and and find a. living home home through adoption. would there be any possibility that the. the biological parents would reach out.

to your kids you know in Missouri there. is a registry that uh kids who have been. adopted can sign up for if they want to. receive contact and if the parents then. the biological families want to interact. they can submit through that registry. and you know I think every everybody has. to make their own decisions about that. uh you know at the end of the. day I I can't even begin to imagine. how. challenging that must be for an. individual uh but here's what I you know.

here's what I'm working on which is. making sure my kids know we love them. they're Bailey they always will be and. we're their parents and God predestined. that he planned that you know not. predestination in like a calvinist uh. you know uh salvationist foreordained. situation but more like God had his. Sovereign will his his you know the the. plan was always for us to be together as. a family and uh I want my kids to to. fully understand that know that and. that's what we work on every day and and.

knowing that they've got loving parents. that that care about them more than. anything. else sound like a great. [Laughter]. dad advice for fathers from. you it parenting is. tough yeah there's like I it's a and I I. know I constantly make mistakes and my. kids are so forgiving and loving and uh.

time you know I think that uh it's easy. to get wrapped up in The Daily Grind of. hey I'm the bread winner I'm the. patriarch of the family I've got to be. out earning a living and mowing the lawn. and doing the dishes and hustling the. activities and there's I got to do and. you. know adult adults need their own Hobbies. uh. and you need down time too yeah uh but. you know I think I really try to.

maximize the time I get to spend with my. kids because it's fleeting and you can't. ever get it back how do you do that I. mean your husband father the four kids. Missouri AG I mean I'm sure you're an. extremely busy guy the whole State's. dependent on you I mean I thought you. were going to be the the AG of the. country. did and um and uh so I can't I don't. even I have no idea what that would.

entail but I know there were discussions. about it and and uh a lot of people were. rooting for you to be in there but but. but but I mean how do you how do you. define the balance with all that going. on how do you find the balance yeah it's. it's a constant challenge uh it's. constant you have to be purposeful you. have to be conscious of it you know you. have to block out time when there's. times where I just I have to turn my. phone off and set it aside it's not that. I don't care what's going on I do but. I've got to devote my I've got to. prioritize you know time with with the.

family so the weekends you know we. really prioritize spending time together. on the weekends going to church together. on Sundays we try during the week to do. as many sitdown dinners together as. possible and so we it's I mean it's. going to sound kind of anachronistic or. old school but this is I mean I really. value that time we'll sit down we'll. have a meal and then we do a Bible. Lesson after the meal and uh we don't. we're not you know s days a week it's. almost impossible to may be consistent. across every day of the week with that. but we try to do that as often as.

possible yeah you know I struggle with. it as an entrepreneur and I mean it is. it is tough and I ask I ask a lot of my. guests you know who are who are high. performers or or extremely busy people. and that's pretty much everybody that. comes on the show and uh nobody seems to. have like the key yeah I always feel a. lot of guilt you know being a dad just. just about being with my kids you know. TR we do a lot of traveling and and I.

think at the end of the day you know I. just look at it is you know are my kids. are they happy are they happy kids and. if they're happy then you must be doing. something right so that's that's try to. that's how I try to gauge it is is good. formula or my kids happy and uh my kids. are happy although my uh my daughter. gets but uh but um yeah so well let's.

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battles that you're kind of doing right. now I know that you have a lot of stuff. going on so before we get two in the. Weeds on this I need you to. uh you're at about a level. 10 I'm at about a level zero with. attorney talk I'll uh I'll I'll dial it. dial it whichever way we need to like. you're talking to a preschool. uh yeah but um but yeah seriously let's. get into some of the some of the legal.

stuff that you're doing right now some. of the current battles what what is the. thing that you're what would you what's. your top priority right now you know we. we talked about it protecting Free. Speech protecting a competitive. Marketplace for ideas where the. competition of ideas produces the best. results and whether it's protecting free. speech from government censorship or. protecting free free speech from uh. corporate censorship uh that's a that's. a top priority and something we're.

really focused on and again I think that. the U social media platforms have become. the modern Public Square for. conversation uh so many people today so. many more people receive their. information from those Outlets because. they don't trust Legacy Media Outlets. anymore and I think that the influence. of social media platforms on americ. culture and discourse is only going to. grow in the coming days weeks months. years and so I think that's something.

we've got to be got to be working on you. have an you don't you have an an. investigation into Google we do yep what. is that why well look and this is all. reported in the public domain but Google. has historically. sent Republican fundraising emails to. spam at a much higher frequency than. Democrat fundraising emails now why is. that happening how how does this come. across your radar I mean how do how did.

you figure that out U again we just you. know we stay in tune with what we're. seeing in the public domain and uh two. two different ways number one we can. receive a Consumer complaint so at the. Missouri attorney general's website we. have a complaint form that folks can. fill out if they're a consumer who's. been defrauded uh but then we also we we. just monitor what's going on in the. world and uh what's and you know you. look at the fact. that President Trump was almost. assassinated mhm and they they shot him.

in the. head. and you couldn't find it on a search. engine yeah wh why is that in the middle. of an election cycle like we're not. talking about right now there's not. really major elections going on at the. the present time because we're post. election inauguration but that was in an. election cycle why was it that the. hunter Biden laptop story was suppressed. you know again that was evidence we. found in our case Missouri B Biden we. uncovered that and put that out there in. the public domain that was information.

American voters deserved to have moving. to The Ballot Box that was you guys we. yeah we helped uncover that absolutely. in in Discovery in Missouri V Biden um. you know why was it that you couldn't. find articles on the assassination. attempt against President Trump why is. it that podcasts popular podcasts that. that president Trump appears on are hard. to find yeah you know where do you hide. a dead body page two of a Google Search.

and. so again you look at it from a consumer. protection angle there's a potential you. know antitrust issue there as well. that's you know part of litigation but. we intend to use the full spectrum of. Consumer Protection Law provided in. State Statute Missouri to address those. issues I mean when it comes to. investigating where do you even start I. mean. especially you're not a social media guy. yourself are you big into.

Tech I'm learning as I go so I mean it's. got to be I think that's a that's a fear. for a lot of people is is and you're. doing amazing things but you know when. it comes to especially I guess what I'm. more talking about is when we see the. senate or the Congress you know talking. about talking about censorship and and. you got mark Zuckerberg sitting in front. of the Senate having a hearing and you. got people like M McConnell who you know.

blanks out and has a stroke mid sentence. I mean these guys don't know what the. hell to look for we had Feinstein died. in office I mean you have these. dinosaurs that are in there that. probably don't even know how to open a. damn email and they're talking to a tech. Titan I mean how do you guys and you. seem to be extremely effective at it so. how do how do you start the. investigation do you wrap yourself. around a team that that is extremely.

well versed and in tech and and SEO and. all these other censorship and all these. other things yeah I think that's right I. think you start there um in Missouri our. again consumer protection law allows us. to send subpoenas it's called a civil. investigatory demand has the effect. legal effect of a subpoena so we we. start and you start pulling that thread. and as you subpoena this information you. start putting pieces together realize. okay there's something else down here. now we got a subpoena that now we got. more and often times what will happen is.

you know these and again I'm speaking in. Broad terms but the corporations will. like flood you with Discovery and. they're just going to swamp you with. Discovery they may even churn the. discovery so it's like not in sequential. order not in a linear order and they're. just dumping documents on you and trying. to drown you in Discovery or they'll. drown you in vexatious Discovery demands. and. uh defenses to your Discovery requests. if you're actually in litigation and. that's really the game in civil law is H.

it's you know the the the battlefield is. the Discovery process and so so they. drown you in like with useless. information thousands and thousands and. thousands of pages of that has. nothing to do with what you're looking. for yeah and it takes you forever to Z. sift through all that yeah it's a would. it be called a Fabian strategy you know. uh that I think that what they're trying. to do is just wear you out never become. decisively engaged and and hope you'll. you'll tire out and go away um but we.

you know we don't we don't take shots at. the Missouri attorney general's office. that we don't intend to hit you know we. want to put lead on Target and so if we. commit to something we're going to. follow through and Relentless execution. is part of that process so if you're. successful on this Google in the Google. thing does that will that only affect. Missouri or will that be Nation wide I. think it sets a a ripple in the pond. effect a precedential uh effect for for.

others and again you know what you. see you. can it's a domino effect it's pulling. the threat of a a you know. fabric you start to unravel it you start. to take it apart and it's for the. benefit of the people of state of. Missouri is why I do my job but it has a. net benefit to people across the United. States of America I like to tell folks. uh in other states that you know hey I. may not be your attorney general but I.

can still represent. you so do you have other states jumping. in with you on the Google thing uh we. don't on that particular one and again. it's not necessarily out of a lack of. Desire or motivation on behalf of my. colleagues they've got their own cases. and investigations going on it's just. that the The Authority that I wield in. the consumer protection Space is really. just unique to the state of Missouri. okay partnered on so many different. lawsuits uh with my colleagues and. typically over the past two years those. have really been targeted at the Biden.

Harris Administration their usurpation. of power their attack on the United. States Constitution their undermining of. the rule of law and so in Missouri we. had north of 50 different lawsuits. against the Biden Harris Administration. and so many of those were in partnership. with my colleagues across the country. you mentioned the hunter Biden laptop. what what was on that laptop that really. caught your attention. I mean what president Trump described as. the laptop from hell you know and I.

don't know that I can pinpoint a a. single data point that's like okay well. that's the Smoking Gun I think you got. to take the whole thing but the point is. not I mean the point is. that the. FBI was in possession of that laptop and. and knew the Deep state of the FBI had. the laptop and knew of its authenticity. knew it was real. and yet they had run table drills with. big Tech social Med media oligarchs with. increased frequency in the days and.

weeks leading up to that story breaking. during the fall of 2020 in the middle of. the election cycle in 2020 and they had. conditioned and trained big Tech to be. prepared for what they said would be a. Russian disinformation Story related to. Joe Biden's son and on the eeve of that. story breaking there was a communication. between agents of the deep State and the. FBI and big Tech and it was instantly. suppressed what do you mean agents of. the deep. State there were people that were. working at the FBI and may still work.

there their days are probably numbered. that did not want president Trump in. office they saw him as a threat to their. power and their control they think. they're smarter than the than the the. electric than the the people who voted. for President Trump and they wanted to. do everything they could to keep him. from wielding power. The Authority that we the people had. given him under our constitutional. structure are you in contact with cash.

Patel I I know cash yeah he's great and. we've uh been in contact in the past I. haven't talked to him in a while I know. he's going through his confirmation. hearing today and I'm excited he's going. to be a great FBI director he's got so. much experience in that space and uh in. that that organization and man he uh he. knows how to get the job done yeah I'm. really looking forward to him getting in. there I mean do you think there's going. to be any I mean by the time this comes. out we'll know I think but do you think. they'll have run into any snags I don't. think so I mean I don't clean past yeah.

you know he's he's someone who's a. proven uh Patriot someone who's a proven. Effectiveness uh on National Security. issues on legal issues uh and and from a. law enforcement perspective and so I. think uh the Senate would be well served. to get him confirmed and get him on the. job and uh there's there's going to be a. lot of work to do but I know he's up to. the task yeah you know also speaking of. the bidens uh what did you think about. all the pardons you know it was was it.

the day before he pardoned Millie. pardoned um who else did he pardon. he pardoned Millie pardoned F pardon his. family hours before part uh the j6. committee well here's my question. johy how can he how can those parts be. legally valid see that's what I want to. know I thought I thought so I thought. when you pardon somebody it had to be. for a very specific crime well this is.

so it is I will say this and the. difference between the United States. Constitution and the The clemcy. Authority given to the president of the. United States and the clemency Authority. codified in the Missouri state. constitution given to our governor it. changed in I think 1875 in the state of. Missouri our the our governor used to. have pardon power for State offenses. that was uh parallel to the uh United. States President's power under the. Federal Constitution and that that. changed after the Civil War and in.

Missouri the Constitution was amended to. limit the governor's clemency authority. to only after a. conviction president of the United. States has the ability The Authority. constitutional authority to Pardon. before uh an before a charge is even. filed before a criminal charge is even. filed or a prosecution is commenced. which is unique but there isn't over. breath issue like if you go so so broad. it's so vague like it becomes this like. ultimate get out of jail free card so I.

think that's a problem but I think. there's a deeper problem think about. when the two-tier justice system that. cash Matel spoke of sitting in this very. chair on your show and how he saw how. president Trump and President Biden were. treated differently in instances where. they were accused of having secret. documents now I agree with cash Patel. hopefully he'll be director of Patel. that president Trump had the authority. to have the documents this was the most. bogus you know Witch Hunt of them all. and thank goodness Jack Smith was struck.

down in court and is no longer employed. by. doj but think about what happened with. Joe Biden so president Trump they raid. marago they put the evidence out to make. it look more. inculpatory take pictures of it rake him. over the. coals and with Joe Biden they say look. he's an old man he's too enfeebled he. can't he doesn't have the mental acuity. to form the men's rea the mental state.

to commit an intentional. act an intentional criminal act that's. what Biden's own doj said about him well. if that's true how could he he sign a. legal document how could he sign a. pardon paper how could he sign a clemcy. document I think a lot of people are. wondering that yeah if I sign a if I'm. out of my mind and sign a testamentary. instrument a will that will can be. challenged in court it's not valid. because I didn't know what I was doing. when I signed it well his own Attorneys.

at Biden's own Attorneys at doj said he. wasn't didn't have the mental faculty to. commit a crime so how could he possibly. have the mental faculty to excuse other. people from Criminal Behavior now I mean. I don't know any of this stuff but I've. heard grumblings I've heard rumors that. you know just because that that the that. they were pardoned by the federal. government that states could still still. go after is there any truth to that it's. absolutely true yeah the the president's. uh clemency Authority extends to Federal.

offenses but the state is its own. Sovereign and uh those individuals could. still be guilty of State offenses do you. think anybody will go after them yeah I. hope so what states would what states. would have that power you know it's it. states any state where an element of an. offense was committed within that state. so Virginia Virginia uh certainly is one. you know and you got to look at. everywhere the the Biden crime family. conducted business you was there a a. fraudulent transaction uh and and again. look I mean at the end of the day it's. about.

reciprocity it's about equal protection. under law but it's also about the rule. of law and doing it the right way unlike. the left who abuses the system to obtain. specious. convictions convictions that are not. legally valid by abusing the law and. perverting law and moving the law Beyond. its plain text and original. understanding we on the right believe. that the rules should be consistent and. fair and. predictable I mean what a lot of people.

want to see these people burn for what. they've done especially fouchy you know. and so I mean. what man I don't even know what I'm. trying to ask here but I mean what would. you like to see happen could they still. investigate would it be worth the time. for the federal government to. investigate fouchy the j6 committee uh. Millie I'm not even sure what that's for. yeah the Biden family which uh I just. interviewed um Colleen georgescu he's.

one of the one of the candidates in. Romania that got censored. for Russian influence you know again. Russian influence maybe maybe not I'm. sure they're meddling in the in the in. that election I mean yeah you know we. we're building we aren't NATO is. building the biggest base ever in. Romania he doesn't want it I'm sure. Russia doesn't want it so I mean I could. definitely see that but then it comes. out today oh Biden was taking money from.

Romania yeah I mean what so I guess what. I'm getting at is you can't really it it. doesn't sound like the federal. government can really go after you know. these guys but can they still expose. what they've done is there is there. any is there a reason to do that I mean. I think everybody would like to know I. mean could you still conduct the. investigation and and and present it to. the people and be like absolutely this. is what happened well because criminal.

liability isn't the only liability these. people face I mean that should. absolutely still be on the table. certainly from the state level but. there's professional lur involved. there's uh civil liability you know. like think about my lawsuit against. China again like this is a first of its. kind where we've sued China for. inflicting the co pandemic on the United. States of America America and then. hoarding PPE and depriving Americans and. the government of the state of Missouri. from being able to access the PPE that. we need to respond to the pandemic they.

caused what role did Anthony fouchy play. in that we now know based on recently. Declassified documents that the CIA CIA. even believes that the uh covid-19 came. from a lab in China not you know. randomly jumping from uh animal life to. human life at some you know some. Marketplace and. well wasn't fouchy helping suppress some. of that information and was he what was. his involvement in that that research.

and in that lab in China and so is there. civil liability there and again I think. a people still demand Justice for the. wrongs that were perpetrated against. American the American people not only by. the Chinese government but but by the. Deep State like Anthony fouchy and so. you know I think making that transparent. through an investigation and airing that. it it's not a bad thing it's it can only. be a good thing and there might be. additional liability points beyond the.

criminal code I mean so in a picture. perfect world you would like to see the. federal government conduct the. investigations through all the people. that were pardoned and have that. information revealed to the American. public I think we have a right to know. and I think that uh I again first of all. I have grave concerns about the legal. validity of any legal document that Joe. Biden signed after he was determined by.

his own Department of Justice to be to. lack the mental acuity for an. intentional. act uh so yeah I think we need to. understand what happened there what went. wrong and are there systems in place to. redress grievances that are still. available to us what would you do if you. were the. AG well let me say this you know Pam. Bondi who is president Trump's nominee. who may very well be confirmed at this. point uh is going to be a fantastic.

United States Attorney General I mean I. I I got to meet her and just think the. world of her uh she was the Attorney. General the State of Florida previously. so she's seen it from the state level. she's an incredibly gifted and talented. attorney she's a great manager and. motivator of people and she's going to. have a large organization that she's. going to have to not only clean house. eliminate the Deep state but reorganize. and reprioritize missions to to maximize. uh the role that the doj is supposed to.

play and so there's going to be a lot on. her plate uh she is up to the task and. we'll get it done and uh you know I. think. that I'm asking if you though if you. were in there yeah not Pam Bondi if you. were in there I just I'm just curious. about how you think and what's your. strategy I think you got to find. resources to address these issues and to. again to investigate these matters and. to to lay the information in front of. the American people to do otherwise is. is a form of censorship of information.

and look censorship is the lazy tool of. a weak mind it and it's. counterproductive people don't trust. their government if they don't think. they're being told the truth yeah and I. think we look back at covid and what. happened and and Dr Anthony fouchy and. we feel like we were deceived and lied. to would that be a top priority of yours. absolutely what would some other top. priority. be so I think there are three strategic. objectives that have to be secured now I.

think the top priority has got to be the. Border if we don't have a border we. don't have a country and the Biden. Harris Administration not only allowed. illegals to Cross by refusing to enforce. the immigration code but they actually. perverted the immigration code to find. legal loopholes to allow people in under. the parole process that we've had to. file suit against to to put a stop to. and the parole. in the immigration code there's a a. provision that allows the government to. allow people in this country for limited.

time limited purpose on an individual. basis well Biden Harris said no no we're. going to use that to allow in X number. of Haitians X number of Guatemalans X. number of wi number of. Hondurans they created a Visa program. that was never authorized by Congress. that's a perversion of the law an abuse. of the law it undermines the rule of law. and it hung an open sign it not only. allowed in people who had no legal right. to be here but it hung an open sign that. created the poorest border problem. that's making Missouri communities and. communities across the United States of.

America less safe so we've got to secure. the Border we've got to deport criminals. who have violated the laws of the United. States of. America that's got to be strategic. objective number one strategic objective. number two is the right to free speech. and again it's dismantling the vast. sensorship Enterprise in the government. that was inst started with the Deep. state but was then energized by. President Joe Biden president Trump's. already begun doing that with his. executive order on day one mhm but we've. got to have a free fair and Open. Marketplace of ideas we've got to end.

corporate censorship as well and then. really the third strategic objective in. my mind is ending the weaponization of. government and we saw that abused and it. was counterproductive to the left and I. think that's why president Trump. delivered this historic Landslide. election and thank goodness the American. people saw through that but we've got in. the weaponization of government I think. as Attorney General those have to be the. three strategic objectives to be secured. if we're going to save the country do. you think that's those are her top. priorities I I'm I'm sure they are now.

she may articulate them differently but. you know that that's the formula for the. make America great again movement that. President Trump has started and is. continuing on today what about what. about stuff with big. Pharma yeah I mean were we lied to there. too I think there's there are questions. that need to be answered uh are we still. being lied to about the E efficacy of uh. vaccines uh you know specifically the. the covid vaccine that seems.

to not be a vaccine at all uh and. so what was what incentives were in. place that caused that to happen and. were there're it's all about holding. wrongdoers accountable and putting. systems in place to ensure that it. doesn't happen again I mean there's a. lot of talk about there's a lot of talk. about you know pulling not not not. enabling or or taking away the right for. fizer Johnson and Johnson Mna to.

advertise on media channels and so I. mean I'm kind of curious about your. thoughts to. that I don't think it really does. anything I don't either like just it's a. weird Marketplace because just because I. see an ad for a vaccine on television. doesn't mean I can then go personally. buy that there's an intermediary in the. form of a medical professional that has. to admin prescribe and then. administer I think what I think what are.

I think where I'm going with this is is. you know because those are some top. advertisers I mean I just watched I. never watched Legacy Media ever I get. all my news from interviewing folks like. you yeah and but me and my wife were in. a hotel a couple weeks ago I did decide. I was like oh let's flip it on let's. just see what they talk about I turned. on Fox. news was like three out of five ads were. Pharmaceuticals you know and so what I'm.

kind of getting at is because because. those are obviously their top. advertisers then they control the. narrative and it's if you don't talk. about this then we don't advertise with. you now if we make it illegal for them. to advertise on Legacy Media channels. they also. have God knows how many lobbyists isn't. a big Pharma has the second biggest is. it the second biggest I think big oil is. surpr yeah it wouldn't surprise me it's. one of the top three would you say that.

and so wouldn't they just use their. lobbyist to funnel money to the Legacy. Media some other way some other how and. to to continue to influence Med channels. to hey don't talk about this talk about. this you know there's there's business. always finds a way around the law it. seems like and so so I mean how do you. how do you do it so I think it you and. you've done so much work.

exposing how taxpayer dollars in the. public coffers go to things we don't. want them to go to and it shouldn't be. happening and you've exposed that in. some of your shows how much of that's. happening with the medical industry and. with big Pharma now you I think those. are questions we need to answer I think. that uh if you actually yeah I think. that Dwight Eisenhower's Farewell. Address is one of the most prophetic and. intriguing uh speeches ever given in. American politics military-industrial.

complex everybody remembers it for the. military-industrial complex but there. was another part of that speech where. President Eisenhower said he expressed. concerns about the influence in the. relationship and the marriage between. federal dollars big federal dollars and. medicine and Science and how you would. create this elitist culture that would. substitute their judgment for ours and. would not have dissenting voices to test. the veracity of what they're. saying oh my gosh he said that in.

1960 is that right something like that. yeah I mean that's a close right didn't. we see that on full display in 2020 yeah. and in 2021 and in 2022 and is that. going on now and so like let's break up. that relationship let's let's break that. up and let's have a competitive Open. Marketplace where consumer. make their own decisions rather than. being spoonfed based on this elitist. culture and group think how do you do.

that though yeah I I I again I think you. got to follow the money like what is. funding these entities now are there. federal dollars going to that can we cut. those off know these are decisions that. really have to be made in Congress. through the the budget process but. that's that's where I would start I mean. could the company just I mean and I'm. just spitballing here I don't really. know how it works but you know we talk. about the lobbyist we talk about the. advertising they control that space hey. don't talk about this you know what. about I mean the what what if what if a.

company just held a lot of CNN stock. yeah you know I mean then hey we're. going to relinquish all the stock if you. continue this narrative I mean I I just. don't there's so many ways that they. could get in there they're probably. doing all of this already it's not. probably not just advertising and so I. you know I I in my opinion I think the. only way to actually do it is to and I. don't know how you it would it just. talked about this with.

um Dr Paul saladino you know I I mean it. it seems to be like the only way to do. that would be some type of an education. program and educate the people but I. still don't. know you know what I mean where it's. like hey you're seeing all these. advertisements we all know Legacy Media. is they're all moving towards. podcast form it's ridiculous it's like. oh well we ourselves up here. let's just copy what the podcasters are. doing but I think it's already done but.

at the same at the same token I think. there needs to be some type of a a. re-education I hate saying that term. because it sounds horrible well counter. speech maybe that's another term is the. the best remedy for disfavored speech is. counter. speech so how do like can we yeah I mean. offer an argument in contradiction what. were being spoonfed you know from a. legal perspective and this is something. I'm excited about you know I think uh. vice president Vance has been a big.

proponent of again using antitrust law. to break up these unprecedented and. dangerous consolidations of power that. are manipulating the marketplace and. ultimately harming consumers and the. American people and I think that's. another F of legal Authority I you know. I would think that uh this. Administration would would reinvigorate. the doj's antitrust uh section of the. doj to start looking for targets that. that was you know done under President.

Teddy Roosevelt to great effect after. those the Sherman Antitrust Act was. initially uh passed into law to to break. up some of the large large trusts and. corporations and uh I think it's time to. to reinvigorate that body of law I mean. do you think big farmer plays a role in. in in is are they the reason that. natural medicines like psychedelics. aren't hitting the market because it it. wipes out opiate addiction it helps wipe.

out benzo you know like I said I I did. it totally cleaned me out yeah. and and and I mean how do. you I but you can grow that a lot of. this you can grow the stuff in your. house if you want to it's not you know. what I mean it's it's not out of the. realm which. would be a huge cut in their. income if that's happening the legal.

question and it stands to reason that it. is you know the the legal question. becomes have they formed a combination. in Restraint of trade are they buying up. Outlets that might have been competitive. or silencing uh buying up Outlets that. would offer a competitive Counterpoint. counter speech and if that's happening. you got an antitrust suit and you're Off. to the Races well the food industry is. doing it I mean we see it and every time. somebody comes out and uh with a with a.

new with a with a natural deodorant or. natural toothpaste or a or a food that. doesn't have any additives in it you see. Coca-Cola goes and buys it you know. Purina goes and buy whoever you know. they go and they buy the company and use. the same marketing and it it it it. tricks people and to thinking that that. particular product is still healthy for. the consumer when in reality it's the.

opp they put in the additives so it has. a longer shelf life and we're right back. to square one trying to find the next. thing and so is it is that what you're. talking about with Pharmaceuticals yeah. yeah look if uh if. corporations there are anti-competitive. practices that are defined in the case. law interpreting the Sherman Antitrust. Act and that uh violate both federal and. state law and are the target of. antitrust lawsuits and if that's going. on then that's that's a a great vehicle.

to fix the problem uh counter speech I. think I agree with you is is one great. option consumer awareness certainly uh. but antitrust litigation is another. option okay let's move back into your. your law suit against. China You' mentioned that they were. hoarding PPE equipment yeah I thought it. was ridiculous that we have a virus that. came from China everybody's wearing a. mask that says made in China you know I.

mean what what other PP were they were. they hoarding respirators and all of it. yeah it's not just masks it PPE as you. know is is so many different products. that they they were producing and. holding but isn't that the play of the. of a communist government to like create. a problem and then manipulate the. marketplace that has the solution to the. problem and that's what you saw and that. was the evidence we put on and look the. the again that recently uh Declassified. CIA document pointing to the lab leak as.

the most likely source of the pandemic. just increases the Chinese Communist. government's culpability and it further. emphasizes Missouri's need to execute. that $25 billion doll judgment we intend. to obtain when do you think you'll be. awarded that so the the trial court has. asked for some additional briefing that. we're going to try to complete in the. next week uh week to two weeks and then. I would anticipate within the next 30. days we'll get a judgment and and and. again a judgment is a piece of paper uh.

you got to go execute the Judgment. luckily the foreign um Sovereign. immunities act provides a a method of. procedure by which you can execute that. judgment so. [Music]. what you may have just answered this I'm. not sure but let's say you are awarded. and and you win the case what court is. that in is that in a federal court is. that in a state court yep or is that in. some type of an international Court. we're in a federal court it's the United. States district court for the eastern. district of Missouri uh it's a that was.

the best venue because it's a a claim. under a federal statute against a. foreign Sovereign and again this isn't. some crackpot legal Theory it's the. foreign Sovereign immunities act a. statute that was passed in 1976 signed. into law by the time President Gerald. Ford uh and so that there's a the the. people elected representatives in. Congress contemplated that states might. have lawsuits against foreign entities. and I and created a a process uh one of.

the. examples there was a an instance in the. fauland war where an Argentine missile. struck a commercial uh Merchant vessel. and sank it and so the corporation then. sued Argentina for the destruction of. their property and the court identified. like look that CLA claim fits under the. foreign Sovereign immunities act that's. one example the Missouri is the first. that state that I know of to really. raise a claim that infliction of a.

pandemic then hoarding a PPE is a claim. that fits under that statute so it's. kind of it's in that respect it's a. novel legal argument but it's been uh. again tested all the way up to the eight. Circuit Court of Appeals and I think and. and again I think it'll be successful so. do you you honestly do you think if you. win this case do you think China's going. to pay 25 billion not at all and I my. proof is that they haven't participated. in the lawsuit at all I mean they were. granted due process under our laws they.

they do business in the United States of. America they know they have to be aware. that this statute is on the books that. there's they have some liability under. the F the foreign Sovereign immunities. act they were served with process when. we initiated the lawsuit they're aware. of it but that's how little they think. of these United States of America they. couldn't even be bothered to show up to. court with $25 billion hanging in the. balance and doesn't that also point to. their. culpability if you had a defense you had.

an opportunity to show up and put it on. and you didn't do it so what happens. then who holds them accountable how do. you get them to pay we find assets we. find Chinese assets proper and then yeah. and then we take that judgment we say. hey federal government sees that. property sell it and we'll take the. check and we'll credit it towards that. $25 billion judgment does China have a. lot of hold a lot of Assets in Missouri. there are some and uh again we're still. in the process of identifying assets but. they don't only have to be in Missouri.

we're we can work with any willing. partner across the United States of. America to seize assets what kind of. assets real property are the best assets. because they're easily. liquefiable uh but you. know any kind of asset. okay so how do you how do you find out. if the if the state own if the Chinese. State owns you yeah you got to search. the the registration on those to. determine who owns them you know and. every state registers property interests.

differently uh you know Secretary of. State's office for business entities uh. you know uh recorder of deeds for Real. Property I mean I would imagine it's. shell company after shell company after. shell company after shell company and so. how do you STP through all that yeah. it's going to take time and it's going. to take a dedicated team of. professionals but again you know we. didn't what would be an. indicator uh yeah there's a lot of Open. Source information and so again you.

start pulling on that thread okay okay. let's move into IBM yeah what do you got. going on with them so we filed a lawsuit. under the Missouri human rights act. against IBM's Dei program uh and so. there was this instance in. which the president of IBM was vid on. video you know threatening his. subordinates threatening his team of. Executives that if they didn't promote. people of certain racial classifications. over others that they would not be.

eligible for their bonuses this isn't. some mid-level. mid-tier office bureaucrat promoting Dei. this is the president of the company on. tape uh that's just corporate racism and. it's never been legal and was never a. good. idea but in Missouri under State Statute. the Missouri Human Rights Act the. Attorney General's office is given. enforcement authority to prevent those. kinds of racist policies from permeating. uh the workplace and so we filed suit in.

state court and are moving that suit. forward IBM has filed a motion to. dismiss and I think we're in court in. the coming days on that so we'll see. where we go but look there are other. remedies available and at the end of the. day we're going to use every tool in our. Arsenal to Harpoon the the you know the. corporate Dei whale because it we I'm. not sure what we got off track but it. should have never ended up like this you. know racism has always been wrong uh. America and certainly Missouri are.

meritocracies people should obtain. positions and and matriculate through. organizations based on their Merit and. how good they are at their jobs not. based on their skin color is IBM. headquartered in Missouri they're not. but they have offices in Missouri and so. uh my lawsuit you know can only fix the. problems for IBM's employees in. Missouri but but our hope would be it. would be impetus to dismantle the Dei. programs across the corporate Spectrum. do you so with the IBM case again I'm.

I'm just curious how many other people. are jumping on board with you and so do. you do the research to figure out where. where all IBM's doing this what states. are involved contact their attorney. general to see if they want to jump on. board with this yeah there's a there's a. team uh of attorneys that are in kind of. it's a netork work of communication. across the states uh there are. organizations that often times will help. facilitate that communication um you. know I'm not sure if other states have.

taken action against corporate Dei I. know other states have joined us and. we've joined other states and going. after public Dei programs at the state. federal or local level in government but. this suit you know is is unique uh but. again Missouri is unique not every state. has given their attorney general. enforcement Authority under their civil. rights laws but Missouri has and so when. I say again that you know that we were. recently a blue state where the Attorney.

General was empowered and given. authority to do things and now we're a. red State and that it's that that's one. of the weapons that's been left behind. on the battlefield that we're using to. to fight for fight for Missouri workers. I mean think about this these these. employees at IBM in Missouri have been. subject to this and how many of them. missed out on opportunities because. maybe they were the wrong skin color and. it's not just black and white I mean. that's the other thing like it's uh. people of Asian descent as well who were. harmed by the some of these Dei policies.

and so we we've got to get out of that. world and I'm I'm proud of the work. we've done in this lawsuit using the. authority we have to to fight back let's. talk about real quick this just popped. in my head all the executive orders that. Trump just signed and and with the. stroke of a pen just basically. eliminated all the Biden's executive. orders where I'm kind of going with this. is and and I've talked about this with. with uh my friend my attorney Tim paot. Tori several times talked to Eric Prince. about this. I it seems to be that the pendulum is.

just going farther and farther and. farther and so yeah while it's I think a. lot of these executive orders are great. that that that Trump put in you know he. eliminated everything Biden did Biden. I'm pretty sure if I remember right he. eliminated all the executive orders that. Trump put into place and. so great for four years yeah all these. executive orders next guy comes. in he's on the other side he just. immediately with the stroke of a pen.

eliminates all of those executive orders. I mean what in in your. mind I guess there's a couple questions. one is there anything anything else that. could be done other than these executive. orders um two what's more important is. it State Community Law is it is it local. state and then federal or is it should. we concentrated on should we be. concentrated on federal. law I think president Trump has exactly.

the right answer to all of this okay. first and foremost he is I believe based. on what I'm seeing and hearing from him. and his team interested in closing the. door behind them that they are building. something to last they're going to make. America great again and put the. structure in place to keep it great. against domestic enemies in the. future and there's a lot lot to unpack. there. but one of the things he's doing is.

reasserting the role that states play. which is the proper constitutional. answer to the question our founding. fathers experience with a tyrannical. monarchy of England taught them that we. should have a centralized authority of. limited power diffused over three. co-equal branches of government with. checks. balances that's the separation of powers. Doctrine you know that's implicit and. textually based in our United States. Constitution and then that states have.

residual power and states need to be. Laboratories for the Democratic process. and the guarantors of individual liberty. so and under the Biden. Administration Biden and. Harris really exponentially grew the. administrative State the bureaucratic. agencies the the alphabet super. bureaucratic agencies EPA doe Department. of Labor ATF they grew these agencies. and those those agencies the statutes. that create those agencies give them rul.

making authority to promulgate and put. into place administrative. rules and those agencies did that to. great effect and it it hurt missourians. and it hurt the people of the United. States of America and it did damage to. our constitutional structure the. founding fathers rolling over their. graves at the idea that some fourth. branch of government not contemp in our. Constitution and unaccountable to the. electorate can pass rules let me give. you an example of where that hurt. missourians for instance and let me talk. about agriculture so in Missouri a.

friend of mine he farms and he's got a. field uh row crops and it's near a a. it's on the bank of a creek so the creek. kind of creates the boundary for one of. his fields and every year that that. field erods into that Creek bed and it. just keeps eroding eroding well his. ability to provide for his family. and make a profit is diminished with the. erosion of that field because there's. less tillable land so what did he do he. crawls into the creek bed he picks up.

rocks from the creek bed he didn't. import Rock from elsewhere he used the. very rocks that are in the creek bed to. put them to shore up the bank of that. Creek to try to prevent further erosion. and the Biden Harris EPA and army Corp. of Engineers comes and says Whoa you. just violated the Clean Water Act under. the waters of the United States rule you. owe a penalty and you got to go in there. and and take all those rocks out and put. them back and if you don't we're going. to sue you and potentially imprison you. wow this is insanity this is absolute.

insanity this is government run a mck. and the the little guy his rights are. trampled on and if he's going to fix. that problem he's now got to pay for an. attorney and fight it in court and he. may not win to make all of that worse. before last summer from 1985 until the. summer of 2024 there was the Chevron. decision in place. and the Chevron decision again this was. the brainchild of I believe uh chief. justice William renquist in the 80s who. was looking for some kind of consistent.

way in which federal courts could deal. with challenges to these administrative. agencies and the rules they were making. and so he came up with this idea that. look federal courts will just defer to. an agency's reasonable interpretation of. their own statutes well that was an. abdication of the article 3 Authority. provided to the Federal Judiciary in our. constitution the courts were saying. we're not going to do our jobs we're. just let these bureaucrats do whatever. they want and again you take my my. friend the farmer and that this is how.

it's hurting real people and Last Summer. the court overturned the Chevron. decision and said we the courts are no. longer going to give the the jump ball. to the the federal bureaucrats so a. couple of things have happened number. one that's a major sea change in the law. that now justifies the president. president Trump and his administration. taking a hacksaw to that apparatus of. the bureaucracy get rid of it get rid of. the rules get rid of the people. enforcing the rules we don't need them.

and they're no longer to have Defence in. the United States Supreme Court and. return that authority to the people and. the states interesting interesting let's. talk about the Second. Amendment what do you have going on in. Missouri with the Second Amendment man. we are uh energized uh to protect our. right to keep in be arms uh and it's not. only in Missouri the Second Amendment to. the United States Constitution but it's. Article 1 Section 23 of the Missouri. Constitution which explicitly protects.

not only the right to keep and bear. Firearms but ammunition and accessories. as well and it preempts local control so. municipalities can't pass burdensome. regulations and ordinances to restrict. the rights uh in the. Constitution It also says that anything. the state does that could be construed. as a limitation on these rights is. subject to strict scrutiny which is the. highest level of scrutiny under. constitutional analysis and it creates a.

legal obligation of the state to protect. the right to keep and be arms which then. gives me standing to go into court and. sue when a municipality passes an. ordinance that restricts uh gun owners. rights so we're full steam ahead on that. and we will go after any locality that. violates our state constitution but. we've also got What's called the Second. Amendment preservation act that the. people's elected representatives in our. general assembly passed and our governor. signed into law and it's really as much.

a codification of the 10th Amendment. anti-commandeering Doctrine as it is. about the Second Amendment and what it. says is that we're not going to let the. federal government coers cajo and co-opt. state and local law enforcement. officials to uh do unconstitutional gun. restrictions. soon as the governor signed that into. law Biden's Department of Justice sued. the state of Missouri so I've been. defending that law and just uh last week.

we asked the United States Supreme Court. to review that case so we have a on file. at the United States Supreme Court a. petition for RIT of ciary asking the. court to deprive the Biden Harris. Department of Justice of standing to to. move that lawsuit forward and allow the. people of the state of Missouri to speak. through their elected representatives to. set that policy position in State. Statute now how is the federal. government able to sue you for state law. yeah exactly I mean that's the whole. point we made you have to entertain that. case I mean that's the whole point we.

made in court is that they don't have. standing the law limits State officials. not federal officials so how are they. hared they may not like what the law. says or the policy position but that's. not a constitutional basis to overturn. or to to strike down our law and the. question before the courts is do states. still matter you know the 10th Amendment. people always forget about that one but. the 10th Amendment says that any. Authority not given to the federal. government or denied to the states is. enjoyed by the states and the people of.

the. states that's the that's the. Constitutional basis of the Second. Amendment preservation act in Missouri. State Statute and again it doesn't limit. Federal officials so how can they prove. standing how can they prove they're. harmed wow is Missouri an open carry. state absolutely yeah is that new uh. that's been around for a little bit I. mean hey look we love our guns in. Missouri I mean that that's part of who. we are as people and uh yeah I look at. the Second Amendment and it says the. right to keeping bar arms shall not the.

rights shall not be infringed I start. with the the last words shall not be. infringed what do you think of the ATF. get rid of it you think just get rid of. the ATF get rid of it should people have. fully auto weapons I do not. believe that gun restrictions. are legal under our constitution let me. explain. why the and again I go back to those. principles I learned as a kid the rights. in the Constitution come from God not.

man the Constitution exists to protect. us from the government and the. government is supposed to exist to. protect our rights and yet here we are. as taxpayers funding the ATF who has a. consistent and documented pattern of. violating our. rights wow. suppressors class three items full auto. I mean in a picture perfect world the.

founding father's own canids how does. this look is there a background check. you know what would you like to see yeah. you know these are policy decisions that. have to be weighed in deliberative. legislative bodies but I think you got. to look at the original understanding of. the Second. Amendment and then you refract it. through the prison of the passage and. Adoption of the 14th Amendment and I'm. sorry I get nerdy law technical but but. this is important the the Bill of Rights.

originally only restricted the federal. government and it wasn't until after the. Civil War that the 14th amendment was. passed that then the rights and the Bill. of Rights were also those restrictions. were also applied against the states so. what did the Second Amendment mean at. the time of founding and then what did. it mean to the drafters and r ifers of. the 14th Amendment and that's the. interpretive methodology that's how the. United States Supreme Court has read the. Second Amendment uh which is great for.

Freedom loving and gun owning Americans. because there has to be what's called a. historical antecedent to the right being. claimed today you look at what is the. right claimed today is it similar to or. dissimilar from the rights that the. founders would have understood at the. time that they wrote the Second. Amendment to me that's where that debate. should be taking place is this. abolishing the the ATF is that on the. table I don't know you know I'm not sure. uh that that's something that's being. weighed or considered that's my personal. policy preference and again I have no. interest in funding government agencies.

that are only intended to deprive us of. our constitutional rights would that. fall under the AG uh the ATF is a. subcomponent of the Department of. Justice so it does. yeah I hope they abolish it I totally. agree get rid of it get rid of. it all right let's I want to move into. had a good conversation at breakfast. about George Soros and all of his. funding all of his funding for.

das how was that I mean this is a huge. Topic in every state everybody knows. it's happening I don't know how he's. funding everybody or or but but what. what's his goal what's what's going on. here I know you have fought against this. and have fired several Das the S. prosecutor in the city of St Louis who. was unlawfully refusing to do her job. and was destroying the criminal justice. system in the state of Missouri and did.

unmitigated and immeasurable harm to the. city of St Lewis Eastern Missouri and. the state and region as a whole uh I. think that when Soros pays to elect. prosecutors who abuse prosecutorial. discretion it is an illegal. nullification of the law in other words. since the time of the founding. prosecutors are provided discretion to.

determine based on evidence What charges. should be filed whether a charge should. be filed what charge should be filed and. ultimately what the disposition in the. case should be so I you get a police. report you read the police report you. decide what statute what law was broken. and then you decide okay is this a. prison thing or is this like a probation. and treatment thing or is this somewhere. in between. uh and those are the decisions that. sound exercising a prosecutorial. discretion but what the S Soros and his. organization what they're promoting is.

an abuse of prosecutorial discretion so. instead of making individualized. decisions based on evidence and police. reports those Soros back prosecutors are. saying we're not going to enforce wide. swaths of the criminal code of criminal. law for instance I'm not going to. prosecute people for. uh offenses uh property offes where. there's not a human victim that was. physically harmed well now hold on a. minute you can break into my house and. steal all my stuff but if you don't hurt. me in the process you're not going to. charge that offense and let's see how.

that played out in the city of St Louis. this woman was in office from 2016 until. 2023 she had a. 96% non-prosecution rate 96% of reported. crimes so at some point people stop. calling the cops because they know. nothing's going to happen and at some. point the cops stop stop authoring. police reports and sending to the. prosecutor if they're not going to get. prosecuted so I think that 96%. non-prosecution rate probably. underestimates how little she was. actually doing of the 4% of cases she.

was actually charging and getting into. court 35% of those were then. subsequently dismissed by the court. because she couldn't be bothered to show. up to trial can you talk about I mean I. used to live in St Louis we talked about. this and and and I mean I went there a. couple years ago to to meet with our. mutual friend Andy. frisella I couldn't believe what I saw I. mean it it was it was like a a totally.

different city every every part of it. downtown the outskirts all of it it's. just it's gone downhill it's really sad. it's really gone downhill and you gave. an explanation of how crime because of. because of the Soros funded. attorney it kind of started in. St Louis proper moved out to the. counties moved out to the ex to to the. outer counties and can you talk about. that a little bit yeah I mean like how. that affected that City this it's not.

just St Louis this is happening all over. the country yeah and we're all worse off. for it uh and I feel terrible for our. men and women in law enforcement who are. putting their lives on the line every. day to try to keep our streets safe and. are not getting the support they need. from the Soros back Progressive. prosecutors but St Louis is an. interesting example. because what we learned is that crime. doesn't care about jurisdictional lines. it's a regional problem crime doesn't. care that there's 114 counties plus the.

city of St Louis of Missouri crime. doesn't care that there's 46 different. judicial circuits of the state of. Missouri the homicidal murderers that. had basically overtaken the city of St. Louis because the prosecutor wouldn't do. anything about him then drove out the. the the petty criminals to the county. and the the collar County ioun so we. were seeing in Warren County dopers who. were stealing wheels and tires off of. cars and they were doing it in Warren. County because they didn't want to get. shot doing it in St Louis city they. didn't want to live around the homicidal.

murderers either uh and when you drive. away all the people when crime. depopulates an area there's less people. to Rob those robbers are going to go. somewhere else those those thieves are. going to go somewhere else so it's it. was absolutely a regional problem and. that one woman was completely the. sourceb prosecutor was completely. undermining the criminal justice system. for the entire state of. Missouri I took office on January 3rd. 2023 and on in less than 45 days in. office I filed the lawsuit that.

ultimately got rid of her uh the legal. term it's a Latin term it's called the. RIT of. quaranto and it it it is a lawsuit. intended uh to demonstrate that the. person is unlawfully holding office and. my argument. was she's not doing her job she's. unlawfully refusing to do her job and. that alone is a basis for removal that. had never been tested in the courts so. again it was a first of its kind in the. nation bold transformative action but it. worked she filed a the the Soros. prosecutor filed a motion to dismiss my.

case saying this claim is an action is. not actionable it's not cognizable under. the quono statute and the judge said no. if the state can if the Attorney General. can prove what he's saying that you're. not Prosecuting cases that you're not. notifying victims that you're not moving. your cases along that you're not filing. new charges those are enough to remove. you when he denied her motion to dismiss. that's now the imperer of law on those. claims and it has a ripple in the pond. effect because it gives us precedent to. use the quono if ever another Soros back.

prosecutor were to appear in Missouri is. that the only one are there more that's. the only one we know of and certainly. that is the worst case example I've seen. I know that other states have similar. examples but typically they're in blue. States uh that you see that different. states have different mechanisms to. remove a bad prosecutor like for. instance in Florida I know Governor. DeSantis has removed Soros bad. prosecutors under his legal Authority. under their state laws but in Missouri.

it's the attorney general that has the. authority to file the the RIT of Quanto. I mean it sound like a it sound the way. you describe it sounds like a blast. radius of criminals yeah and so I mean. so it sounds like CU every State's. different they couldn't take your module. and apply it to their specific State. well I think what they could absolutely. abolutely do is take our definition of. what is and isn't prosecutorial. discretion and use that as a basis to. remove a Soros back prosecutor who was.

refusing to do their job I think they. could absolutely take that and say well. in Missouri too let me say. this uh in. Missouri victims have constitutional and. statutory rights and when a prosecutor. is denying those victims of crime their. rights that is also an actionable uh way. to remove a Soros bag prosecutor so. again blueprint it's not an exact. technical diagram that they can. replicate but at least some Concepts. that could be used in other.

states man that really devastated that. city destroyed I mean how do how do you. think they'll I mean how long is it. going to take to get it back to to what. it was under her time in office more. than 500 businesses left downtown St. Louis that's loss and we look that's. something we can measure we'll never be. able to measure how many conventions how. many trade shows how many tourists. didn't come to St Louis and didn't spend. their dollars there how much Economic. Development opportunity did we miss.

we'll never know uh and look we can. change things we can start Prosecuting. criminals we can start locking criminals. up getting them off the streets we can. show a decrease in criminal statistics. and we can show data points but they. don't matter if the businesses don't. feel safe uh I'm really excited that our. governor uh Mike kho has made fighting. crime his number one priority and he. just gave his State of the State address. this week and really outlined a detailed. plan to support law enforcement uh and.

and Shore up the criminal justice system. start going after the bad. guys I think they'd have to incentivize. the businesses to come back you know. through tax and all these other things. do you think that's on the table I think. so yeah I think so I think uh one of the. things that's unique about Missouri 2o. is that you know Kansas City in St Louis. it used to be that those police. departments were run by a board of. police Commissioners that had to be from. those places but that were appointed by.

the governor and confirmed by the Senate. and that's really a structural mechanism. to take the politics out of policing and. that still exists in Kansas City and. when those police officers are sued in. civil law my office defends them and so. they get consistent indemnification. consistent civil defense which then. empowers them to go do their jobs the. legislature eliminated the board of. police Commissioners in St Louis and. returned control of the police. department to the.

mayor not a good outcome because now. politics are back in policing and it's. not the men and women in uniform that's. not the problem it's the the politics at. City Hall that have injected themselves. and I'm deeply concerned about a lack of. consistent representation for the men. and women in uniform who are putting. their lives on the line every day on the. streets of the city of St Le they need. consistent and competent legal. representation civil suits and I want to. provide that one of the governor our. current Governor Mike heho his. legislative priorities is to restore.

that board of police Commissioners and I. think that's that's one piece of the. puzzle wow what what I mean why is Soros. doing. this he hates. America I think he absolutely hates. America he hates what we stand for he. hates the rule of law and this is his. way of destroying it from within it's. working it's absolutely working are any. other states doing anything like this to. reverse it again I you you mention. Florida yeah I think Florida is another. example but it's few and far between uh.

I'm not sure that there's been another. attorney general that's removed a Soros. back prosecutor man man I don't know if. we have them in Tennessee but I hope I. hope they're listening to this I really. hope they're listen to this but uh back. to the Second Amendment kind of uh right. to self- protection right self. self-defense um I mean what what are the. laws of Missouri when it comes to. self-defense you know in Missouri it's. and I'm again I apologize man I nerd out.

on the law stuff but it's really. interesting to me so in. Missouri if you are charged with a crime. and claim. self-defense that is a what's called a. special negative defense so in criminal. law there's two types of the defendant. never has to take the stand the. defendant doesn't have to say anything. doesn't have to take the stand the state. can't comment on the defendant's right. to remain silent I can't as a prosecutor. I can't get up and say hey if he was.

innocent he'd take the stand and tell. you about it and most attorneys during. the jury selection process will ask. prospective jurors are you going to hold. it against them if you don't hear from. them to filter out folks that might be. predisposed to require the defendant to. violate their own right to not take the. stand and present evidence against. themselves self-incriminate. but there are two defenses one is an. affirmative defense and if the defendant. wants to the defendant basically it's a. legal excuse yeah I did it but there's. this affirmative defense there's this.

legal excuse and if you use an. affirmative defense the defendant Bears. proof by preponderance of the evidence. so the lowest burden proof to show that. they're legally excused from Criminal. Behavior because they had this. affirmative defense so like pral. kidnapping if you and your wife are. divorced and she's got the kids and the. custody agreement says she has the kids. this weekend but you go and get the kids. because she's doing something unsafe. with them you may have be guilty of uh. of uh you know child kidnapp parental. kidnapping but you have this affirmative.

defense that gives you an excuse and so. you're acquitted the difference is with. self-defense is this is a special. negative which is a stronger defense and. if you as a defendant are accused of a. crime and you whisper you inject into. the trial in any way shape or form a. self-defense argument the state then has. to prove Beyond A Reasonable Doubt you. didn't act in self-defense how do you. prove a how do you prove a negative. Beyond A Reasonable Doubt how do I prove. you weren't afraid for your life if you. shot somebody so it's a really strong.

protection for people to defend. themselves their property and their. families what about. like do you have the right to defend. somebody. else's livelihood where I'm going with. this is New York City Daniel Penny MH. you know that guy stood up for. somebody killed him. they charged him with murder right yeah. so what what is. the how would that have gone in Missouri. you you have a right in Missouri to.

defend yourself or another so if you. reasonably believe that your life or the. life of someone else is imperiled you. have the authority to act you have the. legal authority to act now listen police. may show up police are going to do an. investigation prosecutor may or may not. decide to file a charge but just you. know at the end of the day you are. protected by the statutes of the state. of Missouri that create that special. negative defense that uh if you believe. you acted in self-defense the state. would to convict you is going to have to.

prove Beyond a reasonable. doubt you didn't fear for your life or. you know the you didn't fear for the. safety of some third party what about. property uh you have a right to defend. property as well if you remember in St. Louis during some of the riots the BLM. and antifa nonsense that was going on in. the summer of 2020 are you talking about. the guy in the pink shirt Mar MCL friend. of mine Mark and friend of a friend of. mine yeah he so Mark mccla is an. attorney in St Louis and your audience. will remember during antifa BLM Riders.

broke into a gated neighborhood and were. marching up the street shouting threats. and. trespassing and in the middle of their. you know Fourth of July weekend or. whatever it was their lunch he grabs an. ar5 and stands on his property and. didn't do it in an angry or threatening. manner he merely did it to demonstrate. that he was prepared defend himself and. his property and that enraged not only. the BLM and antifa protesters but the. Soros back prosecutor who was in office. who then charged him with unlawful use.

of a weapon for exercising his. constitutional rights now at the time I. worked for our previous governor uh Mike. Parson and you know we saw that like. she's violating their rights and so as. soon as they were convicted I drafted. the the clemency paperwork that the. governor signed to exonerate the mosis. because all they did was defend their. property from Angry riers who so if they. would have come on his property could he. have defended it yeah certainly he has. the right to defend himself and his.

property if he believes his life is. imperiled or his wife's life is. imperiled or the lives of of a third. party are imperil so your life has to be. in danger you have to reasonably believe. that. you're going to be harmed now the to use. lethal Force you can use other force. non-lethal force to protect your. property. what if they entered his home different. story I mean I think again that fact if. somebody's in my house without my. permission in an angry and threatening.

manner I'm fearful that they're there to. do me harm MH and that is a fact that. goes towards my decision and ultimately. my self-defense okay. okay yeah we're covering a lot of ground. here is there anything else what what. else you got going on. you know we stay pretty busy uh sounds. like it yeah yeah you know we like to do. the the the big stuff well but I also. like to do the little stuff well after. we removed the Soros spat prosecutor in.

one year we incre my office increased. criminal prosecution by 133% wow that's. on the criminal side now on the the. Civil side consumer protection the first. year I was in office My Consumer. Protection division collected more than. $32 million in settlements and judgments. on beh half of defrauded Missouri. consumers that's real money back in the. pockets of working Missouri Families my. second year in office last year 2024 we. collected north of $400 million in.

settlements and judgments in our. consumer protection division so we're. setting records not only on the criminal. side but on the Civil side as well and. so just it you. know I want to do the job I want to do. it the right way I want to deliver. results and wins for the people state of. Missouri what do you think your your. biggest snags are your biggest Hang-Ups. your biggest challenges. you know Recruitment and Retention is. always a challenge um. youve it is tough to find public service. minded individuals who are willing to.

work for a lot less work a lot harder. and work for a lot less than what they. would get in the private sector uh but. I've got a dedicated team of. professionals we've got about 300. employees at the Attorney General's. office we've got offices in Jefferson. City at the state capital in St Louis. Kansas City Springfield Cape Gerardo as. well and we've done a lot we started a. practicum with uh University of Missouri. law school just 30 minutes up the road. in Columbia and those law students are. provided the opportunity to come work at. the AG's office and they get Class.

Credit we kind of get an all hands on. deck approach but it gives us a chance. to kind of vet them and see what their. interests are and recruit them and it's. been a great pipeline it's allowed us to. staff up we instituted a I when I took. over I realized we had a lot of uh I had. a lot of lieutenants and a lot of. privates but not a lot of Sergeants and. so that kind of mid three to five year. attorney who's tried a few cases uh and. is ready to train that next new attorney. we didn't we we were missing that. institutional knowledge and that. demographic so we instituted a. mentorship program where we we bring in.

senior counsel from law firms across the. state and they meet with my trial teams. and help Mentor my trial teams that's. resulted in seven complete defense. verdicts in civil defense cases in a. 15-month period That's zero dollars zero. taxpayer dollars paid out to the planets. uh and so I can demonstrate that the. mentorship program is producing 10 ible. results in the courtroom uh it's also. reduced our turnover rate so in 2022. like 67 attorneys left the office 2023. my first year 40 44 attorneys left the.

office and I think last year only 20. attorneys left the office so we're we're. recruiting better we're retaining better. we've got a we're training better to to. deliver better. wins what future. aspirations you know I I I'm so blessed. to get to do this you know it's it if. you if you if you don't believe in God. you would see it as an accident that I'm. here and the part of the story that you. know we didn't talk about but I think is. relevant to answering that question is.

that after my wife and I I only ever. wanted to be a prosecuting attorney. loved that job was working in Warren. County adopted kiddos and when you go. from no kids to two kids overnight you. start adding up your bills and all of a. sudden you realize you can't afford to. be an I couldn't afford to be an. assistant prosecuting attorney and so I. left that job and went to work for the. Missouri Department of Corrections on. June 1st 2018 the same day our previous. governor took office and he didn't have. a staff when he took office and he saw. me working at DLC and pulled me up to be. on his staff so I was just at the right.

place at the right time to get a chance. to work you know at the at the summit of. power and state government and uh worked. for the governor for several years and. then Eric Schmidt ran for unit the the. sitting attorney general ran for the. United States Senate and was elected and. that created an opening that the. governor appointed me to and so it's. just being at the right place at the. right time has provided me with these. opportunities and so who knows where the. the road leads and you know what. opportunities will be there in the. future but I'm really humbled at the the.

opportunity to get to do this and uh. it's the show me state results matter. and I want to keep fighting and winning. for missourians well you're doing a hell. of a job if you are to get appointed to. a federal. position AG maybe FBI I don't know what. else. would you take it yeah I you know I I. think the world of President Trump and. his administration and if those. opportunities presented themselves I. think it's absolutely something you do.

and it's again about answering the call. to Service uh we're at a such a historic. and critical juncture in our nation's. history and I'm really excited about the. president and his team being in in in. power and uh the people having selected. them to to wield the authority to make. America great again and I'm I'm hopeful. and optimistic about the future with him. in the White House and his team around. him he's got some great folks and. they're going to do a fantastic job and. uh yeah you know. I vice president Vance was in Iraq the.

same time we were in 056 time frame and. so you've got that kind of Next. Generation uh you know four years from. now and you you the hope would be that. he would be willing to run for president. and would would just keep the uh keep. the train rolling so uh that's that's my. My Hope right on man well Mr Bailey it's. an honor to interview you and you're. just doing amazing things for the state. of Missouri and and for the country. because it's once it's a blast radius.

you know blast wave it seems to be going. off and uh you're definitely leading the. charge in a lot of positive ways and I. just want to say thank you for that and. thank you for being here hey thank you. my friend appreciate you and and and the. your willingness to engage on these. issues and cover these important topics. that uh people might not be able to hear. about uh otherwise so thank you for what. you do my pleasure best of luck to you. thank you. [Music].

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